Editing Talk:Integral Systems Engineering/Archive 1

== Integral Systems Engineering a company, or a function? ==

Is this an assumption, or was Integral Systems Engineering (ISE) referred to as a company, rather than just a functional unit (i.e. within the Colonial military establishment)?--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 01:14, 26 December 2007 (CST)
:It's an assumption. Seems more like a department to me, but it could be either. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:15, 26 December 2007 (CST)
::Not assumption. Note dialogue from Cain when we first see her in "Razor", speaking to Belzen. Paraphrasing, she was uncomfortable with all the "civilian contractors" aboard. We see one other ISE person in the corridors walking away (she has a jumpsuit with the logo on its back) just moments before Shaw is greeted by another ISE employee, Gina Inviere. ISE may not have been the only contractor given other mechanical systems that (per our real-world history) are often contracted from military to civilians, but at least we know that ISE was at least one of them. Gina's later talk to Shaw about her work in the retrofit also supports this. If they were Fleet, they would have uniforms of the Fleet in some version. Costuming shows no special exception to this that I can recall. Even military not assigned to a battlestar wear the Ministry patch (see Shaw's early uniform). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:01, 26 December 2007 (CST)
:::Also, military folks are generally not prone to wearing patches denoting such specificity of function. There are a lot of practical reasons behind this, but for in-show comparison you can look at Garner and the snipes down below, who bore no such patches. The fact that she bore no rank insignia, and was not referred to as having any rank further supports the fact that she was a civilian. A screenshot of the ISE logo on the back of the jumpsuit might be good for the article though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:39, 26 December 2007 (CST)
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 ::Not assumption. Note dialogue from Cain when we first see her in "Razor", speaking to Belzen. Paraphrasing, she was uncomfortable with all the "civilian contractors" aboard. We see one other ISE person in the corridors walking away (she has a jumpsuit with the logo on its back) just moments before Shaw is greeted by another ISE employee, Gina Inviere. ISE may not have been the only contractor given other mechanical systems that (per our real-world history) are often contracted from military to civilians, but at least we know that ISE was at least one of them. Gina's later talk to Shaw about her work in the retrofit also supports this. If they were Fleet, they would have uniforms of the Fleet in some version. Costuming shows no special exception to this that I can recall. Even military not assigned to a battlestar wear the Ministry patch (see Shaw's early uniform). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:01, 26 December 2007 (CST)
 :::Also, military folks are generally not prone to wearing patches denoting such specificity of function. There are a lot of practical reasons behind this, but for in-show comparison you can look at Garner and the snipes down below, who bore no such patches. The fact that she bore no rank insignia, and was not referred to as having any rank further supports the fact that she was a civilian. A screenshot of the ISE logo on the back of the jumpsuit might be good for the article though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:39, 26 December 2007 (CST)
-:::Yes, it's obvious that there are private companies working on the shipyard and that Gina is a civilian. I didn't really notice Fredmbud's claim that they belong to the Colonial Fleet, which I certainly don't agree with. So that reply is really more to him than me.
-:::But there is not much to indicate that ISE a company in itself and not just a subsection of one, dealing with computer systems (which I meant with my first comment). Another one might be responsible for other systems, while part of it specializes in computers. On the other hand, the uniform would probably include a general company logo as well then. That's about the only thing that indicates that it's the company's name. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:53, 27 December 2007 (CST)
-::::When I say Colonial military establishment, I don't mean just uniformed military - this could include the equivalent of Department of Defense civilian employees.--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 19:02, 27 December 2007 (CST)