Editing Talk:Hybrid/Archive 1

==Hybrid Genders==
Maybe it's me, but I feel like the article implies that Hybrids come only in that form, while I think they could very easily come in various forms. We'll probably find out next time we see a Hybrid, but it may be worthy of noting that although CC is often a bad source, they do include "Female Hybrid" at the start of her speech. This aside, I do believe that while the one Hybrid we saw was female, they aren't all necessarily so. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:08, 8 November 2006 (CST)
: The article should be reworded to remove this implication, since we don't know either way. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:42, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:While there might be male Hybrids too, "it" was refered to as "she" in the podcast --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:52, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::The Cylons are pretty consistent when it comes to making all members of a model identical. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:56, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::Regardless, we have no evidence (either way) that they've continued that trait in this model. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:07, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::::I think it's mostly that the article is written as though it's talking about the character itself instead of the model. Maybe if we can change that somehow....I'll see if I can rewrite it to talk about Hybrids in general instead of the specific Hybrid aboard Caprica's Basestar.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:29, 8 November 2006 (CST)
:::::Have at it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:34, 8 November 2006 (CST)
::::::How's this:

:::::::'''''A '''Hybrid''' is the central computer inside a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ([[Torn]]).'''''

:::::::'''''The Hybrids resemble human beings inside an immersion tank similar to a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]]. However, they aren't [[Cylon agent|Cylon agents]], but another type of Cylon, similar to the autonomous biomechanical pilots within [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] <ref>Despite its humanoid appearance, the Hybrid is not a Cylon agent and should not be counted as one of the 12 Cylon agent varieties.</ref>, specially constructed as living computers that manage the autonomic functions of the basestar, including navigation and FTL jumps, climate control, and the like. The Hybrids are so integrated into the basestar's functionality that they ''are'', for all practical purposes, the basestar.'''''

:::::::'''''The Hybrids do not have a completely human body, but rather appear to be  more like [[Wikipedia:Cyborg|cyborgs]], consisting of conduits and other connectors mated to, or in place of elements of their bodies.'''''

:::::::'''''It is unclear whether a Hybrid can take autonomous actions on its own, although they can articulate disagreement with orders. It appears that a unit of seven Cylon agents, located elsewhere in the basestar's command and control center, generate the collective command decisions that are accepted and executed by the Hybrids.'''''

:::::::'''''The Hybrids almost continually speak in phrases that makes little sense to the basestar's crew. The utterances appear to be a mixture of system status reports as well as observations of events in and around the basestar that may not be describable in words. The agents known to the Colonials as [[Leoben Conoy]] believe that the Hybrids can hear or understand the voice of [[God (RDM)|God]].'''''

:::::::'''''A Hybrids' connectivity to it's basestar provides it with a remarkable awareness of the space surrounding it. They appear to experience a form of ecstasy, perhaps at an orgasmic level, when accomplishing certain tasks such as jumping.'''''

::::::And I think we should leave out the last section altogether, it's too much speculation regarding exactly what the Cylons consider them and whether or not the Hybrid cares. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:42, 8 November 2006 (CST)

:::::::Reads much better, in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:47, 8 November 2006 (CST)

::::::::And there we go =). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:03, 8 November 2006 (CST)


If you watch [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw_Z2VgFN0o this] teaser for "[[Razor]]", you'll see a man in what looks like a Hybrid tank. We also know that the casting sheets called for the role to be cast. The cuts are very quick, but that looks like young William Adama. One of the casting sides had him find some sort of Cylon experiment shortly before the armistice was declared. I think he's stumbling on their research into organic life-forms. So the Hybrids are the first steps towards the later human-like models. Of course that's still speculation now, but I'm pretty sure "Razor" will confirm it. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:35, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

== Capitalization rules? ==

Is "hybrid" considered a proper noun? Here it's written "Hybrid", but on the episode page generally "hybrid". Or is both ok? Personally, I'd tend to capitalize it like "Centurion" and "Raider" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:22, 9 November 2006 (CST)
:I agree with the caps in this case, helping to distinguish between the use of the word as referring to this particular type of entity rather than [[Hera|some other type of hybrid]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:13, 9 November 2006 (CST)

:Concurring. This, for lack of anything else, is a proper noun and should not fall to the generic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:58, 9 November 2006 (CST)

::Aha! I see your ruse. Concur here to garner support on your "Jump" cause... and darned if it's not working. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:04, 9 November 2006 (CST)

== Info box ==

In the info box when there is a link to the [[Basestar]] it seems that it should direct to [[Basestar (RDM)]] because that is the only basestar the Hybrid controls. Taking us to the redirect page seems counterintuitive. On the other had though, I don't know how to do this without it displaying as "[[Basestar (RDM)]]" which just looks odd. Thoughts? --[[User:Wldkt1|Wldkt1]] 02:08, 14 November 2006 (CST)
--Okay, i figured it out[[User:Wldkt1|Wldkt1]] 02:48, 14 November 2006 (CST)
:To clarify for the future, <nowiki>[[ArticleName|Whatever you want it to say]]</nowiki> :) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:19, 14 November 2006 (CST)

== Jump vs Hybrid ==
Actually I've been using caps on Jump due to the discussion [[Talk:Propulsion_in_the_Re-imagined_Series|here]] and to distinguish it from other uses of the word (much like using caps on Hybrid). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:51, 17 November 2006 (CST)

:Although closed captioning can be unreliable for some things, they are quite consistent in capitalizing "Jump" as well, yes. Exactly my point. "FTL Jump," "Jump" and "Hybrid" seem appropriately capitalized for their context to me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:55, 17 November 2006 (CST)

== Hybrid legend ==

As I've seen one of the new trailers for Razor, I noticed Lee and the Admiral talking about some kind of Hybrid legend. You can even see the Hybrid, apparrently HE is very old. So, this supports the fact, that Hybrids don't look the same and have even different genders! {{unsigned|Cortes}}

:I made a comment about that above in the first section. They speak about a "Cylon" legend though. Nothing Hybrid specific. What is related to the Hybrid is that young William Adama will find some facility in which the Cylons are experimenting with humans at the end of the first Cylon War. Presumably he stumbles upon an experiment to create Hybrids and eventually humanoid Cylons. That will be part of the webisodes already. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:54, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

== The Hybrid project ==

I think it's important to point out that Sharon more or less says that the whole Hybrid project was abandoned. She specifically says that more Hybrids were created to control the basestars before that. Not just that the first Hybrid model specifically was abandoned. The statement leaves room for some interpretation, but it implies that there are only a limited number of Hybrids in the whole Cylon fleet. 

While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)
:There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon".  In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons.  To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc).  Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs.  If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human.  If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model.  Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five.  All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts.  It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of, even taboo.--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)
:"Maybe they didn't resurrect them.  Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings.  From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end.  There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve."
An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests.  "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)
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 While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)
 :There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon".  In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons.  To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc).  Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs.  If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human.  If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model.  Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five.  All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts.  It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of, even taboo.--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)
+:"Maybe they didn't resurrect them.  Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings.  From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end.  There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve."
-:Quoting from the DVD:
+An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests.  "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)
-::''Maybe they didn't resurrect them.  Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings.  From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end.  There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve.''
-:An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests.  "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)
-== End of the Cylon War ==
-In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared.  Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation?  Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 05:14, 14 December 2007 (CST)
-:Maybe. Could be added as question in the "Razor" article. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:29, 14 December 2007 (CST)
-== Seperate page for Rebel Hybrid? ==
-Whatta people think? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
-: Well, what would be the point? There's not much info on that Hybrid to go on a separate page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
-== Babylon 5 similarity ==
-I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that the Shadow vessels in Babylon 5 are also piloted by hybrid-like beings.  The Shadows would enslave human beings and integrate them into the control systems of their ships. {{unsigned|Broehl}}
-:Hi, Broehl, and welcome to the wiki. No one's brought up the B5 pilots because they really aren't as similar. And, of course, this wiki's purpose isn't to make comparisons and contrasts to other shows. Shadow pilots are conjoined pilots; the hybrids are not quite autonomous as they, nor are they pilots. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)