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==Archived Page==
I had to archive this page as it was three times larger than some browsers could read. I know that this is a very popular page, but please limit the discussion to the criteria and reasoning behind a character's suspicion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:04, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Romo Lampkin's entry ==

I truncated Lampkin's entry to its basic points and moved him to "low' probability. By the nature of the show, almost ''everyone'' is a suspect. Lampkin's demeanor is suspicious, but so is/was [[Tom Zarek]], [[Phelan]], [[Valance]], and many, many other antagonists in the show. "Creepy" is not a qualifier, per se. The point of association with Joseph Adama is of particular note for possibie disqualification if we can verify his time of death. Based on conversations with the surviving Adamas, it appears that the senior Adama died some time (>2 years) before the Cylon genocide, but we can't verify a time. If anything, for someone who actually ''knew'' Joseph Adama to be a survivor of the Fleet, like [[Ellen Tigh]]'s mysterious rescue, is a matter of question. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Statement on Death ==

I have changed the following line:

<blockquote>''As only a humanoid Cylon can "return" from the dead, any human character that dies is instantly disqualified from suspicion. If the character returns in a manner other than being seen in a "flashback" scene or episode, then it is <strike>probable</strike> <u>possible</u> that the character is a Cylon.''</blockquote>

The reason for this is due to the return of Starbuck, who due to her arrival and Apollo's reaction, we are not sure if  she is human, Cylon, or even a delusion in his mind at this time.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 21:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

==All Males Should Be In Low Probability==
I think we should consider all male suspects to be in the lowest possible suspicion level since the number of males is already greater than that of females, and I doubt they would go as far as unbalancing it even more. Doesn't mean they can't be, but it does mean it's a lot less probable that they are Cylons. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:Three's drawings were of three males and two females, yes? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:36, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
::I can't really tell, but I'm mainly basing my comment on the fact that it would be extremely disproportionate to have 8 Males and 4 females....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:41, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Maybe it's meant to be the reverse of the human female to male ratio, where it's (as the Beach Boys have said) "two girls for every boy....".   Seriously, there may be a reason why such a disparity exists, and in any case, I'm not sure that gender plays a factor in how things will transpire, as it hasn't played a factor in how things have happened thus far.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:13, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Kara Thrace==
According to Katee Sackhoff she was one of the few actors told she wasn't a Cylon.([http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8547/redeye3copyci7.jpg Source]) I think this statement is enough to remove her from the list because Ronald D. Moore has already made up his mind as to who the fifth Cylon is (see note at the article about the [[Final five]]). --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 09:32, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Major Revision Needed==
I think this page should be replaced with an article concerning the remaining twelfth Cylon specifically. No character should be admitted to speculation without some sort of affirmative cause for suspicion - straight off the top of my head, that would include just Starbuck and Roslin. We should also re-evaluate our elimination criteria:
*Obviously biological offspring can no longer eliminate a character from suspicion, unless their partner is known to be a Cylon.
*Humanoid Cylons existed at least as early as 30 years prior to the third season, since that's how long Adama has known Tigh.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:14, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

== Suggested name for the last Cylon "#1" ==

OK, we don't actually know the numbers of any of the new 4 Cylons or even for Simon and Cavil, and RDM has said they were essentially assigned at random.

But I'm proposing a fun name, in homage to the Prisoner, for the last Cylon on the wiki should be #1.   Since I would be really, really surprised if that is not indeed the number and role of this last Cylon anyway.   Better than "12th Cylon" though I guess "Final Cylon" is OK.  Strictly speaking, RDM could create more than 12 but for now that's how many he's said are there.   Of course, there is another possible special Cylon out there, namely a humanoid incarnation of the Cylon God, a Cylon Jesus if you will.   (I would pick Baltar as this -- not a Cylon, but much more.)

Or are people against #1 as a designation on the off chance that might not turn out to be its number?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:03, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:While the ''Prisoner'' reference is valid, I think it'd probably be jumping the gun to assign a number. "Final Cylon" is OK for now, I guess. Especially as it relates to "Final Five". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:37, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== The Eight Cylons in the fleet ==
While recogizing this isn't a chat forum, I think the following is reasonable fodder for speculation.  You'll remember in ''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'' that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] said there were eight Cylons in the fleet.  Assuming that she somehow had access to this information despite not being able to identify any of the Final Five or even all of the original seven, let's try to reconcile this with present knowledge.

Cylons who are ''not'' in the fleet at the time include [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], and [[Gina]], as they arrived later.  Those now known to Cylons who were in the fleet at the time are:

*Boomer herself
*[[D'Anna Biers]]
*The [[Cavil]] copy who later counselled Tyrol
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tory Foster]]
*[[Galen Tyrol]]

You'll notice this totals to six.  Of the remaining two, one is probably the final unrevealed Final Fiver.  Note this suggests that this Cylon is not [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], since she was on Caprica at the time.

As for the other, my best guess is [[Shelly Godfrey]], though if so she'd been hiding superbly well.  I suppose there could also have been a [[Simon]] lurking about somewhere, though if so we ought to have been told after his cover was blown when Starbuck returned. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 09:56, 29 March 2007 (CDT)