Editing Talk:Humanoid Cylon/Archive4

{{Template:Archive-bot
|maxarchivesize = 32K
|counter = 3
|algo = old(5d)
|archive = Talk:Humanoid Cylon/Archive%(counter)d
}}
{{ArchiveTOC}}

== The Final Cylon, Conception and Prophecy ==

:"The missing 3 will give you the five who come from the home of the thirteenth"

The human/cylon child hera obviously has a central role in the series. This is evidenced by her prescence in the opera house, 6 and baltar's delusion that the child is theirs, and the desire of both the human's and the cylons to retain possession of the child. Ill avoid discussing the the childs intended representation as the next evolutionary step in mankinds developement in order to emphasize a few overlooked facts. Conception has eluded the cylons until hera's birth. They can build machines, but they cannot create life. This leaves them unable to fufill the Cylon God's law to be fruitfull and multiply, i.e. procreate. If they cannot concieve they remain outside their god's will.

::A.  HERA - is the product of a female cylon (sharon) and a male human (helo) thus estalishing that conception is possiblewith a couple composed of these constituient parts. 
::B. NICK- is the product of a male cylon (tyrol) and a female human (cally) validating this type of conception is possible.
::C.   BABY6 - is the product of a male cylon and a female cylon the last remaining combination and supposedly not possible. (is it tighs love for ellen  a human that enables this conception ?)

However, back to the puzzle the missing 3 (Hera , Nick, Baby6) are 3 misssing babies will give you the five; so there must be a relationship here to the final five 

TIGH....parent
TYROL......parent
Tory....hid baby hera at roslins direction
Sam.......I could use help on him

which leaves only 1 who has to be related in some way to the hybrid babies.....and which im keeping to myself....the baby's are the clue see if you can piece it together {{unsigned|Richnpoor}}

== Mechanical humanoid Cylons ==
How should we handle the mechanical humanoid Cylons from Caprica? Should we create a separate article for them, or should we give them a section in this article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:An own article might be warranted. We'll see when it airs. I don't think we should put them together with the modern humanoid Cylons. From what I read so far, they are more like machines, possibly with some biological components. But not ''humanoid''. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:26, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::[[Zoe Graystone|Zoe-R]] looks completely human in the Caprica trailer. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Final Five ==
Should the Final Five section of the article be edited to match the layout of the Significant Seven part? To me personally it makes sense, simply for neatness and a better flow for the article. My proposed change is that each Final Five Cylon would have a subheading, picture and short blurb ala the Significant Seven. Instead of having the current subheading "The Final Cylon Model" we'd have "Samuel Anders", "Tory Foster", "Ellen Tigh", "Saul Tigh" and "Galen Tyrol" (I've went by alphabetical surname). Thoughts? -- [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] 08:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:I couldn't agree more. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::Well I've made the changes. I've also removed the "Thirteenth Cylon" bit because nothing has really been said about it in the series. However I think that might turn up on "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" tonight so maybe it'll come back. The article is 40kb now, and apparantly some browsers have difficulty supporting over 32kb. -- [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] 07:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


* I removed the sentence ''"Their bodies at the time of the First Cylon War and the Fall of the Twelve Colonies are not their original bodies, which were destroyed by the nuclear warfare on Earth."'' as [[The Plan]] reveals this to be false.  --[[User:Lord Wolfe|Lord Wolfe]] 03:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

== Significant Eight and Final Five? ==

Personally, I always thought "Significant Seven" and "Final Five" were a little too cute, and changing it to "Significant Eight" is simply grating. Now that we know the full difference between the two sets, maybe we can use more appropriate descriptors, say, "Colonial Cylons" for the Seven/Eight, and "Terran Cylons" for the Five. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 13:01, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
*"Significant Seven" is a term coined by RDM himself. Apparently that's what the writers call them. -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:Indeed, but Significant Eight is a silly term now that they've added another.  They are the humanoid Cylons made by the final five if you want to get descriptive, or the ones made near the twelve colonies.  Can't call them "The Eight" as that might mean that model.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 04:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
**I think we should keep the titles "Significant Seven" and "Final Five", and just mention the Daniel & the Sevens within the section of the Significant Seven regardless of the fact that there are techincally eight. The fact is that they AREN'T the "significant eight", as only seven of them are significant, and although we should definitely reference the Daniels they are, at least as a model and probably even the one, not present in the story or in the Cylon society at all.  -[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is catchy alliteration that much more important than accuracy? I say go with "The Eight", or maybe "Colonial Cylons" (the Eight) vs. "Earth Cylons" or "Terran Cylons" (the Five). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Significant Seven is a semi-official nickname and Significant Eight is the most logical extrapolation to cover eight models, so I vote for Significant Eight most definitively. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:The Significant Seven are the cylons covered by Baltar/Sixes conversation on the base ship after New Caprica. Daniel can not be counted as part of the significant SEVEN. Daniel's place in the continuity is minimal but great enough to be just called the 7th or plain Daniel.
@@ Line 37: / Line 37: @@
-I removed the sentence ''"Their bodies at the time of the First Cylon War and the Fall of the Twelve Colonies are not their original bodies, which were destroyed by the nuclear warfare on Earth."'' as [[The Plan]] reveals this to be false.  --[[User:Lord Wolfe|Lord Wolfe]] 03:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
+* I removed the sentence ''"Their bodies at the time of the First Cylon War and the Fall of the Twelve Colonies are not their original bodies, which were destroyed by the nuclear warfare on Earth."'' as [[The Plan]] reveals this to be false.  --[[User:Lord Wolfe|Lord Wolfe]] 03:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-:No, it doesn't. Were you thinking the bodies in the tanks were their originals? They aren't. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 05:25, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 == Significant Eight and Final Five? ==
@@ Line 46: / Line 45: @@
 :Indeed, but Significant Eight is a silly term now that they've added another.  They are the humanoid Cylons made by the final five if you want to get descriptive, or the ones made near the twelve colonies.  Can't call them "The Eight" as that might mean that model.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 04:58, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 **I think we should keep the titles "Significant Seven" and "Final Five", and just mention the Daniel & the Sevens within the section of the Significant Seven regardless of the fact that there are techincally eight. The fact is that they AREN'T the "significant eight", as only seven of them are significant, and although we should definitely reference the Daniels they are, at least as a model and probably even the one, not present in the story or in the Cylon society at all.  -[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
-:::Is catchy alliteration that much more important than accuracy? I say go with "The Eight", or maybe "Colonial Cylons" (the Eight) vs. "Earth Cylons" or "Terran Cylons" (the Five). --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 07:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
+:::Is catchy alliteration that much more important than accuracy? I say go with "The Eight", or maybe "Colonial Cylons" (the Eight) vs. "Earth Cylons" or "Terran Cylons" (the Five). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 :Significant Seven is a semi-official nickname and Significant Eight is the most logical extrapolation to cover eight models, so I vote for Significant Eight most definitively. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 :The Significant Seven are the cylons covered by Baltar/Sixes conversation on the base ship after New Caprica. Daniel can not be counted as part of the significant SEVEN. Daniel's place in the continuity is minimal but great enough to be just called the 7th or plain Daniel.
-== Zoe ==
-Shouldn't Zoe Graystone be mentioned here somewhere? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
-: No, because she's not a humanoid Cylon. Technically, she's not even a skin-job, she's more of an android with biological components. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
-:: She can be mentioned in a development-history kind of sense. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
-::: Yeah, that's what I meant. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]]
-::: I guess it could be mentioned in that light. Note that the technology needed to create the skinjobs was from the Final Five / 13th Colony, not really developed from Caprica. (They attempted to do it on their own, but ended up with the hybrids.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 17:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)