Editing Talk:Hera Agathon/Archive 1

I removed the 'Cylon agent' label, as Hera is only half-Biocylon and certainly not, at the present time, an agent working for the Cylons. 
3/2/2006 21:24 P.M. by Noneofyourbusiness

:That's why, when I did a preliminary write up, I didn't check off "Cylon agent" by putting "y", but left "???" question marks, hoping someone would get to deciding on this eventually.
::Yes, but unfortunately that still caused the article to say 'Cylon agent'.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:35, 16 March 2006 (EST)

Frankly, I had the wacky idea that we should consider the Hybrids a third race with their own article, but this didn't meet with much support, and as Hera is the only current Hybrid, it doesn't make a lot of sense just yet. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:10, 2 March 2006 (CST)

:That makes perfect sense to me.  The hybrids are definitionally different, and hugely important.  Still, you are correct....not a whole lot to say about them just yet.  --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 21:06, 16 March 2006 (CST)

Someday, she will grow up to become one of the main characters of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|reimagined series]]. -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 17:19, 5 March 2006 (CST)

::Anyone think we should put a cap of her very-cool debut in the Cylon Baby Commercial? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 5 March 2006

== character name ==

"Isis" is the greek name of an Egyptian goddess. It's interesting that Maya would name her so. It's probably nothing, but since tha writers like to play games with names and callsigns, could it have any significance? Isis was associted with several Greek goddesses by Plutarch and Herodotus. [[User:Ragestorm|Ragestorm]] 19:31, 16 March 2006 (EST)
:Both Hera and Isis are mother goddesses--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:36, 16 March 2006 (EST)
::In a deleted scene from Downloaded, as Gina and D'anna scheme to kidnap Hera, Gina expresses her disgust at Hera being named for a human god. When D'anna asks what they should call her, Gina suggests "Thirteen." Should we add this to the article? --[[User:Slander|Slander]], 10:31, October 18, 2006 (CST)
:::It should probably be noted, yes, but not in the main article body. Probably best to do it in the notes section, since the content was never cut into the final episode, and no mention of the attempt was brought up in subsequent episodes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:58, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Mission accomplished, Admiral. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 09:18, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

Speaking of her name, shouldn't it be Hera Agathon? She hasn't been called that, but her parents are the Agathons. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:59, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:That would help seperate her from Hera, Lord of Kobol. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:30, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:I'd be game for the rename. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:38, 25 December 2006 (CST)
This seems to have escaped public notice. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:03, 24 December 2006 (CST)
::Article renamed per wiki convention. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:43, 25 December 2006 (CST)

==Silent Baby==
Anyone notice how unnaturally silent Hera is? I mean, Roslin and Maya trust her to be silent enough to take her to every class they teach (judging by the crib being in the school). Is this possibly due to her Cylon nature? I thought it interesting to notice.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:15 June 06, 2006

:Now that you bring it up, Hera is now a toddler, which means she ''should'' be walking about (or trying to) and should be more alert that what I remember in the show. A year-old in a crib is usually an invitation for noise: toddlers are explorers and don't like to be restrained as much. I don't necessarily agree with your comment--not all babies are vocal or cry for no reason--but it's an interesting take. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:39, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

::Well it's true, every baby is different, but I think that under those conditions (lots of noise, cold) a baby would normally not be as tolerant. I don't know, maybe she isn't silent because she's a Cylon, but she feels the noise and cold less because she's a Cylon. Could be either, I'll investigate further on babies that age.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:54 June 06, 2006

Guys....we've seen this baby post-birth for a combined total of 5 minutes of screentime; that's not much to judge her behavior on.  She's not particularly silent.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:56, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

:::And she was a premee too.  Sometimes premees have to have a little extra time to develop to catch up with the time missed in the womb.  --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 15:49 June 06, 2006 PST


==No superaging like in other scifi shows==

From the website "http://www.geos.tv/index.php/article/bg2/1727?PHPSESSID=fa1d0b29c7298d00dffc9cd8929330ca" quoting an interview with David Eick and Ron Moore with Michael Ausiello from TV Guide, I have the following quote:  "Probably one of the most interesting developments of the series is the birth of the Cylon hybrid, little Hera/Isis (seen at the end of Season 2). Although she will not age rapidly (as has been done in other sci-fi series), she will probably possess "physiological differences that make this child different than a human child." The rumors posted on the boards that another hybrid child will be born on New Caprica have proven to be false. There will only be the Hera/Isis hybrid baby, although a new type of Cylon will be shown in Episode 305." 
::Personally I think Cally is a cylon so I wouldn't say the rumors about a cylon/human hybrid being born on Caprica is false...just unverified. I'll bet money baby Nicholas Tyrol is half cylon. --[[User:Meteor}Meteor]] 25 January 2007. 

 
I haven't verified this against TV Guide's website and I don't necesarily know how much of this could be placed in the article page.  I was thinking that there was something with the "physiological differences that make this child differnt than a human child" part.  Anyways, fruitful for discussion maybe.  --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 14:09 June 29, 2006 PST
:This really doesn't need to be worked into the article (kind of why I didn't do it myself when I read that), but yeah they've repeatedly said they aren't going to do what "V" did and make it grow faster.  The "new Cylon" is not a "hybrid" like the Human/Cylon Hybrid, but a "hybrid" in the sense that it's kind of the intermediate stage between Centurion and biomechanical humanoid Cylon, an earlier model.  That will be interesting, but not to be confused with the Hybrids.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:19, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::As a true irrelevancy, "Angel" also rapidly aged a child. 
--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 19:32, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::In an interesting twist [[Wikipedia:The 4400 | The 4400]], had an infant age rapidly, but her mother aged at the same rate and finally died. The 4400 is one of my quick fixes to survive until October. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:52, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

::::(/caffienebuzz) I think one of Hera's new abilities is that her poopie smells like cookies! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:03, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::LOL! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:34, 30 June 2006 (CDT)

:Maybe accelerated aging won't be a problem, but does anyone else think that Hera seems a little ''too'' young? She's a year and a half old at this point, and she's still essentially an infant:
http://www.ifmagazine.com/graphics/features_movie/battlestar_galactica-_lucy_lawless___hera.jpg
:She should be able to walk and talk a bit by now, which of course could be happening when we're not looking, but the kid in that picture doesn't seem quite there yet. [[User:CooperTFN|CooperTFN]] 02:40, 16 December 2006 (CST)
::She was premature. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:59, 19 December 2006 (CST)

== "Caprica" Valerii? ==

From the article: ''Her parents are the human Lt. Karl "Helo" Agathon of Galactica and a copy of the Number Eight-model of Cylon ("Caprica" Valerii)''

This is the first time I have seen the moniker "Caprica" Valerii.  I find it potentially confusing considering that when Hera was born this Valerii was living on Galatica and Boomer was living on Caprica.  Wouldn't it make more sense to identify them by their call signs rather than transitorily-accurate descriptions like Caprica Valerii and Galactica Valerii?

[[User:Capedia|Capedia]]

:While it has been a struggle to name some of the models, fortunately they gave us a break on this particular one. I went ahead and switched it over to Sharon Agathon in this case, and theoretically any link still pointing to "Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)" should also be changed likewise (if nothing else to avoid the redirect). That still leaves us with "Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)", which is less than ideal, but I think that a straight "Boomer" might confuse folks just as much. (Which Boomer?) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:00, 25 November 2006 (CST)

::When did she start using the name Sharon Agathon?  I hadn't even noticed it.  I haven't missed any episodes (up through [[Hero]], which is the last episode that has been aired here), so I'm pretty sure I haven't missed a wedding or a big argument over whether it's possible for somebody to marry a toaster. Did they marry under the radar?  Is the marriage generally accepted as valid?  For all of BSG's grappling with real world issues, I'm surprised they sidestepped this "definition of marriage" issue, which is current a hot issue here in the U.S. --[[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 18:15, 25 November 2006 (CST)

:::Check "Precipice":
:::'''Adama''': Raise your right hand and repeat after me. "I, Sharon Agathon …"
:::'''Sharon''': I, Sharon Agathon …
:::'''Adama''': "Do now pledge my faith and my loyalty..."
:::'''Sharon''': Do now pledge my faith and my loyalty...
:::'''Adama''': "To the protection of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol."
:::'''Sharon''': To the protection of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol.
:::So, like I said, they at least solved THAT particular naming conundrum for us. Coming up with names for all the other copies (of all the different Cylons) is a different problem. Though as the particular models get screen/story time they hopefully will develop distinct enough characteristics for useful naming. We'll probably always have a need for the model number pages as a "home page" for each model, though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:57, 25 November 2006 (CST)

::::Is that the only reference so far to the name or the marriage?  It seems that Helo and Athena consider themselves to be man and wife, and that Admiral Adama sees them that way, but public and legal acceptance of the marriage as valid may yet be an interesting issue.  Then again, maybe not.  The apocolyptic setting would probably make the whole "defense of marriage" thing look even more banal than it does in rl. --[[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 20:18, 25 November 2006 (CST)

:::::Boy, I didn't plan on doing any homework, but these are good questions. As it turns out, no, it's not the only reference to her name or to the marriage.
:::::(from "AMOS":)
:::::'''Helo''': I'm talking about right and wrong. I'm talking about losing a piece of our souls. No one wants to hear that, right? Let's keep it on me. Yeah, I'm married to a Cylon. Who walked through hell for all of us how many times? And she's not half anything, okay. How do we know there aren't others like her? She made a choice. She's a person. They're a race of people. Wiping them out with a biological weapon is a crime against -- is a crime against humanity.
:::::(from "Torn":)
:::::'''Helo''': Listen up. We need a new call sign for Lieutenant Agathon.
:::::I don't know if that's anything they really plan on tackling. Quite the contrary, if they're only tossing us these one-liners (though I appreciate at least those), then they may be "dodging" addressing that issue directly. (Kind of like the one-liner addressing the "Fat Lee" into "Normal Lee"). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:57, 25 November 2006 (CST)
::::::And Apollo calls her "Karl's wife". -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:10, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Article photo==
Just wondering, where'd this photo come from? Promo pics? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 14:37, 10 January 2007 (CST)
:An iTunes screen capture from "The Eye of Jupiter." I made it. Cute, huh? Third season iTunes shows are of higher quality. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:02, 10 January 2007 (CST)
::Hunh. I guess I need to watch Eye Of Jupiter again, because I had ''no'' idea that's where it's from. And yeah, the iTunes for S3 are better, because Apple upgraded the whole store from 320x240 to 640x480. (I'm a bit of an apple geek) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:00, 10 January 2007 (CST)
:::Well, Apple geek, meet me, the Apple system engineer. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:45, 10 January 2007 (CST)
::::Well, Apple system engineer, meet me, the really frakking envious guy. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:35, 10 January 2007 (CST)