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There is a problem with "Go Between, Inc.". Understandably they don't keep the data forever. Searching for "battlestar" now only yields results for "[[Six of One]]". The data for "[[Razor]]" and this episode is gone. So the cite is kinda pointless. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT) | There is a problem with "Go Between, Inc.". Understandably they don't keep the data forever. Searching for "battlestar" now only yields results for "[[Six of One]]". The data for "[[Razor]]" and this episode is gone. So the cite is kinda pointless. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
: Ran into something like this with [[New Caprican loco weed]] ... the Sci-Fi thread where some of the "Also known as" names came from disappeared. Maybe we should note in the cite "info no longer available"? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:04, 13 June 2007 (CDT) | : Ran into something like this with [[New Caprican loco weed]] ... the Sci-Fi thread where some of the "Also known as" names came from disappeared. Maybe we should note in the cite "info no longer available"? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:04, 13 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
::Better to remove the cite if we can't back it up (and delete the article, if necessary). --[[User: | ::Better to remove the cite if we can't back it up (and delete the article, if necessary). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::Deleting the article because the cite isn't available anymore, would be an overreaction though. All other BSG sites still list this (even if we have more stringent citation standards). I'd prefer somehow indicating that the site isn't available anymore. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:25, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | :::Deleting the article because the cite isn't available anymore, would be an overreaction though. All other BSG sites still list this (even if we have more stringent citation standards). I'd prefer somehow indicating that the site isn't available anymore. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:25, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
: I agree with Serenity, but of course I'm an inclusionist. The data did exist. Perhaps there is a Google cache (or other website cache) of it still available. I notice the date it was retrieved is part of the cite, I think that is a good thing. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 07:21, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | : I agree with Serenity, but of course I'm an inclusionist. The data did exist. Perhaps there is a Google cache (or other website cache) of it still available. I notice the date it was retrieved is part of the cite, I think that is a good thing. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 07:21, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
::If it's still in the Google cache, we could copy it to Sources:Go Between or something like that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:52, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ::If it's still in the Google cache, we could copy it to Sources:Go Between or something like that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:52, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::Keeping in mind we're not a news source, perhaps it would be better to make a ''screen capture'' of such information to make a permanent source copy on BS Media that cannot expire. The capture as well as the tenuous article sourcing can be removed later once we get more firm sourcing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:15, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | :::Keeping in mind we're not a news source, perhaps it would be better to make a ''screen capture'' of such information to make a permanent source copy on BS Media that cannot expire. The capture as well as the tenuous article sourcing can be removed later once we get more firm sourcing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:15, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
::::That would be feasible. Unless someone has a better idea, that might be the best. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:24, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ::::That would be feasible. Unless someone has a better idea, that might be the best. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:24, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
::::Excellent idea. --[[User: | ::::Excellent idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:26, 14 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
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:::::Sorry, I'm pretty skilled in astronomy and those two pictures look nothing alike to me. The normal moon picture has a sharp terminator. It's a quarter moon with linear terminator. In a gibbous moon, the terminator would be curved down in Starbuck's picture. Another thing wrong with the picture is the moon is less than 1/3 as bright as the Earth when viewed together, but I will leave that to photoshop. The lunar terminator is always sharp. Starbuck's photo has a gradual fade to orange, which is only seen in a partial lunar eclipse.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC) | :::::Sorry, I'm pretty skilled in astronomy and those two pictures look nothing alike to me. The normal moon picture has a sharp terminator. It's a quarter moon with linear terminator. In a gibbous moon, the terminator would be curved down in Starbuck's picture. Another thing wrong with the picture is the moon is less than 1/3 as bright as the Earth when viewed together, but I will leave that to photoshop. The lunar terminator is always sharp. Starbuck's photo has a gradual fade to orange, which is only seen in a partial lunar eclipse.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::::Update: I pasted together 4 moons -- Thrace's picture, your gibbous, a partial lunar and a total lunar. Her moon looks nothing like the gibbous, and most like the total but the brightness would be way off. The curvature of the terminator is the big clue. I have no idea why the graphics artists sourced a moon in eclipse for this photo, but they seem to have. [http://www.templetons.com/etc/galacticamoons.jpg Four Moons]--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC) | :::::Update: I pasted together 4 moons -- Thrace's picture, your gibbous, a partial lunar and a total lunar. Her moon looks nothing like the gibbous, and most like the total but the brightness would be way off. The curvature of the terminator is the big clue. I have no idea why the graphics artists sourced a moon in eclipse for this photo, but they seem to have. [http://www.templetons.com/etc/galacticamoons.jpg Four Moons]--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::::I disagree and think you are massively overanalyzing the image from the art department. First, you're locked into ground-based thinking. Desaturate a photo of the moon from space and the terminator softens. A true lunar eclipse has a distinct double-gradient, which the image lacks. Further, even if we accept the possibility that the art department intended the moon to be in eclipse instead of simply artistic license for a photograph with mere seconds of screen time, such eclipses occur 5 to 7 times per year. Without knowing the year, the significance of the moon's position/condition is low. The purpose of the photo is to identify with the audience--which it does, by approximating the configuration of the mare. It is interesting speculation, but is not notable for the main page.--[[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 11:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | ::::::I disagree and think you are massively overanalyzing the image from the art department. First, you're locked into ground-based thinking. Desaturate a photo of the moon from space and the terminator softens. A true lunar eclipse has a distinct double-gradient, which the image lacks. Further, even if we accept the possibility that the art department intended the moon to be in eclipse instead of simply artistic license for a photograph with mere seconds of screen time, such eclipses occur 5 to 7 times per year. Without knowing the year, the significance of the moon's position/condition is low. The purpose of the photo is to identify with the audience--which it does, by approximating the configuration of the mare. It is interesting speculation, but is not notable for the main page. | ||
--[[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 11:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
:::::::I would appreciate it if, before removing text that is under discussion, you waited to have the discussion first and see if there is consensus. Removal of other people's text is different from adding your own. While we obviously disagree on what a terminator looks like, I am not interpreting what's the use of an eclipsed image means, simply documenting it. If I'm wrong, there is no great harm. If it turns out to be significant you're removing material because your interpretation is different. We haven't seen any other opinions yet, so please be courteous in a two-person disagreement. If you have a photo of a terminator from space that looks anything like Starbuck's photo, you may offer it, but please restore my text until you do and others agree with you. Also note that no matter how much the terminator may "soften" from a particular view it never turns and becomes convex on a 3/4 moon!--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 07:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC) | :::::::I would appreciate it if, before removing text that is under discussion, you waited to have the discussion first and see if there is consensus. Removal of other people's text is different from adding your own. While we obviously disagree on what a terminator looks like, I am not interpreting what's the use of an eclipsed image means, simply documenting it. If I'm wrong, there is no great harm. If it turns out to be significant you're removing material because your interpretation is different. We haven't seen any other opinions yet, so please be courteous in a two-person disagreement. If you have a photo of a terminator from space that looks anything like Starbuck's photo, you may offer it, but please restore my text until you do and others agree with you. Also note that no matter how much the terminator may "soften" from a particular view it never turns and becomes convex on a 3/4 moon!--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 07:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Could anyone sort out some screenshots of the the damage done to Galactica please? :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 08:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC) | Could anyone sort out some screenshots of the the damage done to Galactica please? :) [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 08:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC) | ||