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== Citing issue ==

There is a problem with "Go Between, Inc.". Understandably they don't keep the data forever. Searching for "battlestar" now only yields results for "[[Six of One]]". The data for "[[Razor]]" and this episode is gone. So the cite is kinda pointless. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
: Ran into something like this with [[New Caprican loco weed]] ... the Sci-Fi thread where some of the "Also known as" names came from disappeared. Maybe we should note in the cite "info no longer available"? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:04, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
::Better to remove the cite if we can't back it up (and delete the article, if necessary). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Deleting the article because the cite isn't available anymore, would be an overreaction though. All other BSG sites still list this (even if we have more stringent citation standards). I'd prefer somehow indicating that the site isn't available anymore. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:25, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
: I agree with Serenity, but of course I'm an inclusionist. The data did exist. Perhaps there is a Google cache (or other website cache) of it still available. I notice the date it was retrieved is part of the cite, I think that is a good thing. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 07:21, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::If it's still in the Google cache, we could copy it to Sources:Go Between or something like that. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:52, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Keeping in mind we're not a news source, perhaps it would be better to make a ''screen capture'' of such information to make a permanent source copy on BS Media that cannot expire. The capture as well as the tenuous article sourcing can be removed later once we get more firm sourcing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:15, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::::That would be feasible. Unless someone has a better idea, that might be the best. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:24, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Excellent idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:26, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

== Update ==

Mark Verheiden reports on his [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2007/08/bsg-update-next.html blog] that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson are writing this episode. I've updated the article accordingly. Also, he reports that officially the production numbers for Razor are 401 and 402, and Season 4, Episode 1 is going to be 403. --[[User:Freevo|Freevo]] 10:51, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
:I don't think writers need to be cited, though we can add a footnote if anyone feels the need. I'll add the production number, though seeing this as episode 1 of Season 4 still makes sense. Production numbers can be very confusing. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
::Currently, [[400]] and [[4.00]] redirect to [[Razor]], and [[401]] and [[4.01]] redirect to [[He That Believeth In Me]], a system that I think is more logical than the production numbers. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Agreed. We just need to keep production and episode numbers apart. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:40, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

== Space Park Damaged etc ==

Er, sorry but wheres the citation to support this spoiler? The only thing i've seen that would represent this, is a fan made trailer circulated around youtube, which featured the Battlestars Titan and Hades...whilst well done, everything barring some leaked footage of starbuck, is done entirely on a home computer by the looks of it...so i say again, where did this spoiler appear from? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 23:17, 31 January 2008 (CST)
: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkYvXmD94e0&feature=related Here]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:47, 1 February 2008 (CST)
::I dont like the way this season is going...i wasn't particularly enamoured with the whole 'final 5' story either...oh well, i guess they just ran out of steam :( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 16:01, 9 February 2008 (CST)

==SciFi ep?==
I am currently on the West Coast and it's 12:02pm, yet I cannot find anywhere on the SciFi website where the episode is streaming. It says it is there, but I don't see a link. Any ideas?[[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 19:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:It was 12pm EDT and 9am PST :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 19:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Callsigns==
Diana Seelix and Sam Anders' callsigns are mentioned as "Longshot" and "Hardball", I just can't figure out which is which. Anyone know what's what? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't recall hearing those callsigns, but Seelix has been confirmed as Hardball since as far back as October. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 02:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:: "Longshot" isn't Anders' callsign... He mixed up the callsigns when he was trying to cover [[Tally]]... The video for the entire episode is [[He That Believeth In Me/Watch|here]] if you want to check it out. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh. Now I've got that. The first two times I must have thought that "Tally" was jargon. He must have one, of course. Where does "Hotshot" come from? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Now someone entered that Athena called Anders "C-Buck" on his article. That can only happen during their scene on the hangar deck, but I don't hear anything like that. She says. "Hey rook. Stay cool out there, alright. You'll lock on/in and do what you've been trained to do. Come on." -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I was listening out for callsigns and the like. I have never heard "C-Buck" once in the episode... The only time that "C-Bucks" ever come up is way back in "Exodus". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Wait, "tally" *is* pilot jargon. What makes us so sure that it's a callsign? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I am still listen to the episode sound. I recorded that section so I can play it back over and over and I am trying to take out the ambient noise. I will let you know what I come up with. (This is what having a powerfull computer can do!) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because he clearly corrects himself after saying the first callsign... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ok. I have listened to it. After further review I hear "Longshot, '''Tally'''. I got your back". Directly afterwards I can hear crystal clear that Anders says "Selix, you got a raider on your back." So going back to how sub sections communicate, "Conn. Weapons. Estimated time to 1SQ is 15 mintues." (From Crimson Tide) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Here's what I heard of the wireless exchange between Seelix and Anders:
::::Seelix: Longshot, Hardball ... turkey right four low at three ... committing.
::::Anders: Longshot, I got uh ... Tally!  I've got your back.
:::IMO, the conversation goes
::::Seelix: Longshot (Anders), [this is] Hardball (Seelix) ... turkey (Cylon missile) right four low at three ... committing (engaging).
::::Anders: Longshot, I got uh (he is either identifying himself, or winces because he realizes he just called Seelix by his own callsign and/or has trouble assembling proper fighter shorthand) ... Tally (I see your target)!  I've got your back.
:::So I'd put my hat into Longshot being Anders's callsign. If there is indeed a third pilot with the callsign "Tally", you'd figure the pilot would have acknowledged over wireless.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 03:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, you've convinced me. Yeah, seems that "Longshot" is his callsign. Although, I would personally like more definitive proof before we proceed on that assumption, which shouldn't be a problem in the future episodes that are coming up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Besides, what's the point in giving someone a callsign ("Tally") that is identical to the popular jargon word used by pilots every now and then? It could cause some serious misunderstanding in the heat of a battle, which is usually fatal. I tend to agree with Joe's explanation. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 03:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::The explanation is Fred's, actually, not mine. Anyway, in regards to the whole "Longshot" thing, we should really play the wait-and-see approach and see if it comes up again in a future episode. Frankly, I don't feel that comfortable in what Anders has to say, particularly since his mind's not in the game, not to mention his lack of experience in general. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Seelix seemed in the game. Spike's quite right, giving the callsign "Tally" to someone could cause a fatal error. Too bad that we don't know if Anders will be back in the cockpit soon. He seems to go onboard that other ship from rumors/spoilers, the Demetrius. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::And "Longshot" just seems to make sense, with him being a professional Pyramid player and all.-- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 04:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I think we should wait until we get some confirmation. However, interpreting "Tally" as callsign always seemed specious to me. It can be interpreted either way, but as said, it's already a term for an enemy sighting and identification, and makes sense to be seen that way in the scene. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Makes me think of a comedic spin-off possibility: Battlestar! "''Roger that, Roger.  What's the vector, Victor? Request clearance, Clarence.''" :)  -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ooh! What luck! Was just rewatching some episodes for fun, because I'm a loser and episode 2x01 Scattered, shows Apollo using "tally" as pilot jargon. It happens when Apollo first sees the Cylon heavy raider.
::::::::::::Flyboy: What is that thing?
::::::::::::Apollo: I don't know, but whatever it is, it's bearing on Galactica. We gotta take it out.
::::::::::::Hotdog: Apollo, Hotdog defensive. Three right, five at two.
::::::::::::Apollo: Tally! Hotdog, Kat, on me.
:::::::::::Now that we know that "tally' is part of the acknowledged jargon of Battlestar, I don't think they would give any pilot that callsign. -- [[User:Yenguyen|Yenguyen]] 11:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Good catch Yen! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well, not to detract from his point, but we knew that all along. It's not just used in "Scattered". Its first appearance is probably "The Hand of God" -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::It's likely a contraction of [[:w:Tally-ho##In_air_traffic_controlTally-ho]], used by fighter pilots in WWII and then later adopted by civilians. At least, that's how I interpreted it (and it appears "big W" has my back, though somebody may wish to confirm that). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)