Editing Talk:Galen Tyrol/Archive 1

I was re-watching ''Blade Runner'' (which of course stars Edward James Olmos) and noticed that there's a character in it who's a mechanic named Tyrol. Makes you wonder...[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:42, 14 Mar 2005 (EST)

== Interesting... ==

I'll have to watch ''Blade Runner'' again and catch that... 

Although I wouldn't be surprised if the name, somehow, came from that movie.  As some of the elements (such as the "replicants" theme and the weapons) were pretty much inspired by ''Blade Runner''. [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:38, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)

:I remember hearing that Tricia Helfer based Number Six's behavior on the replicant woman Pris from ''Blade Runner'', after having watched the movie for the first time the night before filming started.[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:45, 15 Mar 2005 (EST)

== First name? ==

When did Tyrol get a first name? ([[User:Alphaboi867|Alphaboi867]] 14:27, 22 Mar 2005 (EST))

== From RDM ==

The name comes from both the official Sci-Fi Channel BSG website and RDM's blog.

He's not been called by his first name, "Galen", on the show itself.  At least not in the first season.

RDM does go on to state that Tyrol is the only one with a first name; Gaeta and Dualla don't have official first names yet.  --[[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:07, 22 Mar 2005 (EST)

I'm wondering why he is refered to as Tyrol (such as in the episode guides) when most of the time, he is refered to as 'the chief' or Chief petty officer (Tyrol). Boomer is refered to by her callsign, not Valerii.--[[User:Radicaledward|Radicaledward]] 03:09, 10 Aug 2005 (EDT)

==Tyrol's Due For a Bitchslap==

After watching the first season 2 episode (''[[Scattered]]'') I realized that Tyrol really loses it when other lives or their reputations are in danger. Guarantee that he is going to get flak as well as serious scrutiny when he returns to the ship with the truth of Boomer revealed. He really needs some rational control and see the big picture of things, and also let his crew make mistakes rather than react carelessly. Brilliant chief, but not the brightest. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:06, 16 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== Union Meeting Picture ==

We really need to get a screencap of him during the union speech. --[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 22:29, 15 March 2006 (CST)

== Highest Ranking NCO ==

Where in the show did it say that he was the senior NCO? I thought I heard it on the show too, but I'd just like to know for sure. If he is the most senior NCO, could this mean there's only one Chief on the Galactica or that he may actually be a Senior or Master Chief and that there are other "lesser" Chief Petty Officers in the ship?

I can't imagine the Galactica having a one-man goat locker, but then again it's a fictional military, not the US Navy. Either any of that or I'm just missing something ;) --[[User:Marty4286|Marty4286]] 03:01, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

:They stated in the Miniseries that ''Galactica'' is not a normal ship; it's about to be decomissioned.  It's only got about half of it's full crew compliment (2,600 as opposed to 5,000).  A normal ship might have more, but as ''Galactica'' is about to be decomissioned and not running at full capacity, Tyrol is the Chief Petty Officer and highest ranking NCO.  I don't think he's a Master Chief but that's simply a formality of rank; he's still the highest ranking guy on the ship.  Meanwhile, in "[[Litmus]]" Adama stated that he is the highest ranking NCO.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 11:08, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
::Actually, he doesn't say EXACTLY that...:
::"You're the most experienced non-commissioned officer we have left."
::Experience does not always equal rank (especially if you're not willing to play politics). However, it at least provides time-in-grade within a rank. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:14, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

==Married?==
I don't recall them saying that Cally and Chief were married?  All I remember was that Cally was pregnant at the end of 2x20.  That doesn't mean marriage.  Was there a piece of dialogue I missed maybe?  If so, please add it to the article using <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki>, thanks.
: He's married. This is confirmed in the [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]] webisodes, particularly the second one when Tyrol and [[Jammer]] attempt to recruit [[Tucker Clellan]] a.k.a. "Duck". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:47, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::Ok, I just rewatched it and he said that he had a wife and kid.  I will add a reference.  Can you give me the names of the other two characters in that scene?  I don't know who they are.  thanks.  --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 20:50, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::They are Jammer and Duck. :) --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:51, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== Callsign/Nickname? ==

Um, no, "Chief" is neither a callsign nor nickname.  It's usually how Sailors in the USN shorten the rank of Chief Petty Officer.  If Galen were a Senior Chief Petty Officer, they'd be calling him "Senior", or if he were a Petty Officer First Class (or Second or Third Class, for that matter), he'd be "Petty Officer".  

The fact is, he has no call sign or nickname (that I'm aware of), and as Sailors are wont to do, they're just referring to him by his rank out of habit.  I'm strongly tempted to remove it, unless anyone has any objections.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:32, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
: I've addressed this, as I agree that it isn't a callsign. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:40, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
:None. Smite it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:30, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

== Guest Cast ==

I see as I pore over a number of the episodes, Tyrol (and Cally) are listed as guest cast members and not part of the regular cast. In Cally's case, I'd say that's appropriate as she sometimes didn't have speaking lines in season two, and did not appear in every episode in season one either. So absolultey - list her every appearance. But in Tyrol's case, he's got a beefier role, and he's appeared in all but two or three episodes. Anyway, I thought that was kind of strange. Also, the guest cast lists are inconsistent - it's "Galen Tyrol" for some listings and the longer CPO Galen Tyrol for other listings. Personally I would prefer the shorter listing as the Tyrol page lists his rank there.

: Actually, [[Michael Hogan]] isn't part of the regular billed cast either. It's a contract thing, and has nothing to do with the meat or substance of the characters. (Shows can only afford to have so many regular stars, so not everyone who appears in every episode is going to get a regular starring credit (i.e. a credit at the opening titles). It's a bit odd, but there it is. Also, the CPO vs. not CPO thing is a matter of style (or something that was overlooked). In some episodes, notably the New Caprica arc, Tyrol was not a CPO. It's something minor, but I'm sure someone will come along and fix it if they see fit. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:27, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

==But is his body a Cylon?==
Is Tyrol's body really a cylon?  What if this whole "Final Five" bit is more metaphysical; five spirits/souls/whatever disagreeing with the other seven, thus splitting off and going their own way, or something like that?  What we've heard of his history seems a whole lot more intricate than a fabricated Cylon memory (like his teen angst defiance against his religion stated in "Rapture"), as was Tigh's memories.  I don't think it's as clear-cut as "Tyrol/Tigh/Anders/Foster is a Cylon"... {{unsigned|Madcat}}

: Well, RDM's pretty much said that the Final Five are fundamentally different from the Significant Seven. They don't have the ability to resurrect, apparently (from what I remember reading anyway), and Tigh apparently did fight in two wars... Which only adds to the mind frak. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:21, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::A lot of clarifications to look forward to in Season 4, I guess. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:10, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
:::RDM didn't mention resurrection for the final five in any interview I saw. He has said that they are full Cylons and Tyrol's son is a hybrid. Also, Boomer's fabricated memories seem pretty intricate. Let's wait for season four for clarification on the five's exact nature. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:43, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
:But how did he pass the cylon blood test? {{unsigned|Triikan}}
::We're not even sure ''if'' he went through the test. Also, since the [[Final Five]] are so "fundamentally different" ([[Ronald D. Moore|RDM]]'s words), it's possible the blood test wouldn't even detect him. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:49, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Maybe Tyrol wasn't tested until after Baltar rigged the machine to let everyone pass in [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]. Maybe he failed the test off-screen and Baltar kept it a secret out of fear like he did with Valerii's test results. Maybe a Cylon swapped the samples when Baltar wasn't looking and then blocked out the memory. Maybe Baltar's a Cylon and repressed the memory of Tyrol's positive test results, maybe he even repressed the memory Valerii's positive test results. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:36, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::::No further information is given as to the extent of tests that Baltar completed. For all we know, he (and many others) was never tested. Testing was almost certainly stopped during the Kobol adventures, and they definitely ended by the episode, "[[Epiphanies]]", when the nuclear warhead used for testing was "donated." By "fundamentally different", we don't know at all if the tests would work, or not.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:57, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

== Succession Box ==

Does he really need three succession box entries for deck chief? He's the only deck chief we knew of to begin with, was briefly replaced, took a break to do some activism, and then he's right back to it. I'm not sure if it's worth all the fuss. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:12, 2 December 2007 (CST)
: I don't think it's worth the fuss... or the confusion, frankly. It's just like [[Peter Laird]] before I cleaned that up. It had a succession box for Pegasus deck chief that had the predecessor and successor as "unknown"s, and it also had the (possibly mistaken) succession box that seemed to indicate that Laird resumed his position on ''Pegasus'' after "Resurrection Ship"... 
: Frankly, I think we need to go through all the articles with these boxes and do some weeding, because it's getting ridiculous. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 21:29, 2 December 2007 (CST)
:Agreed. That's why I'm not really a fan of the boxes in the first place. Not a bad idea, but people shouldn't take them too serious and add every one-episode personnel change with an own entry. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:06, 3 December 2007 (CST)

== Rank... ==

If he's been Chief Petty Officer from the start.. shouldn't Arron's Guest Star credit say that instead of just chief? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:The latter is just a contraction and informal address of the former. Since people seem to want to be extra-extra-formal in the credits, maybe yes. Personally I think "accurate-written-out rank, + full name + callsign" is too stuffy and artificial. Just the simple name with suffice for me. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Numbers (thinking in advance) ==

I was thinking, when we find out the model number for the Chief, are we going to rename this article "Number Twelve" (or whatever) like we have done with Numbers One, Two and Four recently? I would suggest that we do not, as the name "Galen Tyrol" seems more of his identity than any model number he may have. The same goes for the other "final fivers".
If we do find that there are hundreds of Tyrols wandering around the place, I suggest that we keep this page as describing the particular copy we have met and create a new page for the model in general. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
: I do agree with this, particularly since its a way to distinguish the Significant Seven from the Final Five. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's what seems to be going on already.. isn't it? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: I agree, we'll make a note of his Cylon designation but not change the article name. If there is only one Twelve, it's best to have him by name with the model designation as a redirect. If there are many Twelves, we can have a separate page for the model as a whole. Places where he is referred to as a model, such as the Cylon Models, Humanoid Cylon, and Portal:Cylons pages, should have his numerical designation either way. Places where he is referred to as a character should have his name either way. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
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 The fact is, he has no call sign or nickname (that I'm aware of), and as Sailors are wont to do, they're just referring to him by his rank out of habit.  I'm strongly tempted to remove it, unless anyone has any objections.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:32, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
 : I've addressed this, as I agree that it isn't a callsign. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:40, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
-:None. Smite it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:30, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
+:None. Smite it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:30, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
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 : I do agree with this, particularly since its a way to distinguish the Significant Seven from the Final Five. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 ::That's what seems to be going on already.. isn't it? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
-: I agree, we'll make a note of his Cylon designation at the beginning of the article but not change the article name. If there is only one Twelve, it's best to have him by name with the model designation as a redirect. If there are many Twelves, we can have a separate page for the model as a whole. Places where he is referred to as a model, such as the Cylon Models, Humanoid Cylon, and Portal:Cylons pages, should have his numerical designation either way. Places where he is referred to as a character should have his name either way. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
+: I agree, we'll make a note of his Cylon designation but not change the article name. If there is only one Twelve, it's best to have him by name with the model designation as a redirect. If there are many Twelves, we can have a separate page for the model as a whole. Places where he is referred to as a model, such as the Cylon Models, Humanoid Cylon, and Portal:Cylons pages, should have his numerical designation either way. Places where he is referred to as a character should have his name either way. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
-::Yeah. We don't know if the Final Five have more than one copy per model. For all we know, he's the only copy and we don't need to distinguish between several. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
-== Tyrol cutting himself...? ==
-When did we see Tyrol begin to cut himself? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
-:During their meeting in "The Ties That Bind" is the first time I think. Probably something do with convincing himself that he is human. Though it's unclear when he does this. Seems more like something, Cally remembers seeing him doing. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:11, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
-== Serial numbers ==
-How about simply having the serial numbers of characters, if given, in the info boxes, instead of in the actual articles themselves?  Having them in the article, especially as part of an introductory sentence, makes it sound like a prisoner-of-war declaration or some administrative paperwork.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 03:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
-: That would work. I'll add the field somewhere in the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
-: Yeah, that has always bothered me and was just clunky. Though having them in the notes was generally fine, it makes sense to put them into the box. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
-==BCE==
-Please, take note of [[Talk:Timeline_(RDM)#BCE_occurences|this issue]]. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 09:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
-== Revision==
-I was just translating Galen Tyrol to germen when I found out, that the article changed its style completely since "Earth and after". Until this charpter the style was narrative. And then it changed to explanatory. This is very confusing since it is the only article in this mixed style. Explanatory style is used only in text outside the Biography (like Attitudes toward humans).
-On my german Wiki i changed the style now to narrative style and I decided to exchange Parts from "Earth and after" to "Attitudes toward humans ". I also changed the last charpter because of endless repeatings.
-I would suggest a revision of the last charpters on your wiki too. Maybe you could use the german Page as model in this case-- [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 15:41, 12 June 2012 (EDT)