Editing Talk:Earth (RDM)/Archive 1

== Separate articles for the two Earths? ==
We now know that there are two Earths: the Thirteenth colony, which was destroyed and visited in Revelations, and the "real" earth, which is discovered in the finale. To avoid confusion, I think we should consider splitting the two into separate articles. --[[User:Emistal|Emistal]] 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

== Earth uninhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==

Everyone has still the amazing finale of Season 3 in mind. We were able to take a look at the Earth of BSG RDM. Although, we could see the familiar blue planet for a few seconds only, it was enough to determine one fact: There were no major cities visible from orbit, nor any other signs indicating that earth is actually inhabited with a highly advanced civilization. This leads to the question what happend to the thirteenth tribe? Were they wiped out? Are they much more primitive than their 12 brothers? Or something completely different? In my opinion I believe that Earth is the true origin of mankind and that the remaining citizens of the planet have developed in the 4000 years since the exodus to such advanced and godlike beings (maybe comparable to the beings of Stargate, the ancients) that they no longer need to live in high-tech cities, but travel through the universe with their powers. I mean, look at the episode Maelstrom. I think an earth human took the role of Leoben to prepare Kara for their "life and death experience". If they are able to communicate with humans in dreams, pull viper pilots to earth in a maelstrom and even reverse the death of Kara Thrace than the earth humans must be extremely powerful beings! {{unsigned|Cortes}}

:I sure hope that it's uninhabited - but perhaps habitable again - and that it's the true origin of mankind. It still wouldn't explain the close technological and cultural similarities after thousands of years, but everything else would pretty much destroy the show in my eyes. Especially if it were  an advanced society. This just isn't the type of show to either have incorporeal beings or have a story resolved by magical new technology. An alternative would be a complete parallel universe, where humans didn't develop on Earth. But that whole Earth thing has never been a favorite of mine anyways and is beginning to take up way too much screen time. I never felt that the show was ''about'' the search for Earth and liked it when that story went on in the background.

:Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

== Age of Lion's Head Beacon ==

Is there a reference for the age of 3000 years of the beacon? The article about the beacon says nothing about it. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 16:57, 14 December 2007 (CST)
:It's mentioned in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" that the disease carried on the beacon is an exact match to one that was last reported "reported over 3,000 years ago. Right around the time that the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|13th Tribe]] left [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]." I think that's where that comes from, which conflicts with Elosha's statement that the 13th Tribe left Kobol 4,000 years ago by the way. The [[Timeline (RDM)#Ancient History|timeline]] seems to suggest that they just went back later and left it there.  You're right that ought to be in that article, I say go for it. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 02:25, 15 December 2007 (CST)

== Earth Time? ==

Given that things that happened on Galactica were tied into our reality here on Earth in some way, in the past or the future, or some other connection, in Season 4, when Earth be found, the year is 1940, during World War II. Or 10,000 BC or 2020, or present year (2008). I'm not sure at the moment, since creators avoid citing whether BSG takes place on the series' Earth's past, present, or future. [[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 08:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==

We need a picture of the post-apocalyptic earth. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it's kosher to take it , but io9 pasted together a bunch of screenshots to get a panoramic here: http://io9.com/5018043/wheres-starbuck - I think we also need a Temple of Aurora cap. My friend said one of the burned out structures is clearly the remains of the Brooklyn Bridge. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] 14:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think it's IO9's panorama, as I saw it elsewhere first.  I have a nice temple of aurora cap, but every time I upload it gets "internal error, can't move file..." --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 17:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

An interesting tidbit here, someone's uploaded pics of the set on flickr. Doesn't sound like it was even guarded. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/quite_contrary/1975927273/in/set-1004458/ Flickr pics]--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 17:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


Take a look at that picture:
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Kara_Thrace_Reconnaissance_Photos.png
you can read: Col Tigh
Battlestar Galactica
Battlestar Group 62

why 62 ???
--[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Kara's 'Yellow Moon' Comment ==

The original page formerly included this:
"[[Kara Thrace]]'s description of the moon she sees as 'yellow,' and the fact that this matches the scroll of Pythia, is curious and unexplained. Her photo shows a yellowish moon during a partial lunar eclipse over a mostly gray-white planet, though she described the planet as blue with white clouds. However, the photographs are very desaturated—to the point of being black and white—and very likely don't represent the true colors. She may have intended to say 'yellow star and moon' (referring to the star as yellow) instead of 'yellow moon and star.'"

This "note" stems largely from ignorance of the true color of objects in our solar system.  The moon is not, despite what we see in the sky, grey and white.  It is a dull mix of browns, rusts, and yellows.  It could easily be described as "yellow" when viewed from space and in partial illumination from the Sun.  The moon has an albedo of 0.12 (in other words, it is a relatively ''dark'' body), and only appears in the highly desaturated shades we see it due to the intensity of sunlight reflecting off it.  See this real-color image for a visual: [http://cwx.prenhall.com/bookbind/pubbooks/chaissonat4/chapter1/medialib/image/g_earth_moon.jpeg].  

Kara's comment was spot on.  Also, our star is not really yellow--it is very close to 6500K white, but appears exaggeratedly yellow due to the same Rayleigh scattering that makes the sky blue.

-- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 05:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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=="New Earth" messup==

I rewrote the article on earth, as you stated that the planet in daybreak part II was not earth. But, you can see from orbit that it is earth because you can see africa clearly from orbit and on a map that adama points to has a VERY detailed map of austrialia, africa, asia, and pretty much the entire earth. They say while watching a native tribe that it is a miracle that humanity evolved 1,000,000 light years away (from caprica), not that it is 100000 light years from earth. it is not new earth, and they do not day that phrase at all in the episode. so can we change the name of the section? [[User:Acaeton|Acaeton]] 02:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
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 We now know that there are two Earths: the Thirteenth colony, which was destroyed and visited in Revelations, and the "real" earth, which is discovered in the finale. To avoid confusion, I think we should consider splitting the two into separate articles. --[[User:Emistal|Emistal]] 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 :I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
-::There are now a lot of Earths in the show.  TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth.  And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki.  In the show, Angel  HB  calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user.   However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
-:::Wouldn't be as accurate as the current setup. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
-:::::I think a new article could be made too.  already started working on an introduction:  ''Earth, is the final destination of the characters of the re-imagined series, and home to present day humanity. The planet, was discovered after the [[Battle of the Colony]] approximately four years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], and 150,000 years later before present time. The planet is located approxiately one million light years away from the original twelve colonies.'' It could be named Earth (RDM Final). [[User:Oldag07|Oldag07]] 15:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
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 :Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
-:You were kind of right, there were no cities on Earth. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
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 I rewrote the article on earth, as you stated that the planet in daybreak part II was not earth. But, you can see from orbit that it is earth because you can see africa clearly from orbit and on a map that adama points to has a VERY detailed map of austrialia, africa, asia, and pretty much the entire earth. They say while watching a native tribe that it is a miracle that humanity evolved 1,000,000 light years away (from caprica), not that it is 100000 light years from earth. it is not new earth, and they do not day that phrase at all in the episode. so can we change the name of the section? [[User:Acaeton|Acaeton]] 02:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 :No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
-::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the  battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.!  Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
-:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
-:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
-But what about the star signs? Kara said the Cylon Earth had the familiar twelve zodiak signs that we, and the Colonials, know. But we also know that our own Earth has those same star signs. I can just about accept that two planets independently saw the evolution of human beings, the idea that two planets hundreds of thousands of lightyears away would have the same star signs doesn't seem possible. Personally, I think there is some kind of time travel involved, and that the Earth in the finale is the same Earth as the 13th Tribe Cylons (re-)colonised, but far in the past. [[User:TomOdaighre|TomOdaighre]] 18:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
-::They're not that far away from each other, and the first Earth didn't have all the same signs as the second (someone, either Ron Moore or Kevin Grazier, made a point out of the fact that Gaeta said "visible" star patterns matched up). -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)