Editing Talk:Donald Perry/Archive 1

== What's a "Boonie Jumper" ==
A google search reveals only links to here and a couple of other places, none of which explain the term.  Should we keep the "Edit" link live on the term (hoping that it will be explained at a later time), and add a live link on Kat's page, or kill the link and just assume it is some sort of derrogatory term used by Viper pilots (along with "shuttle jockeys"). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:25, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:My theory:  "Boonie Jumper" = "One who only does smalltime FTL Jump missions of a pedestrian nature done by simple civilian ships, operating in the "Boondocks" of space".  "The Boonies" of course means "The Boondocks", a.k.a. the periphery, a.k.a. middle-of-nowhere, a.k.a. town with one dog perpetually lying in the middle of the only road.  I think the term just is a clipped way of saying "someone who performs Jumps that are of a milk-run status, out in the boonies". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:23, 2 December 2005 (EST)

::It's definitely a contracted form of "boondock puddle jumper." "Boondock" is defined as mentioned previously. "Puddle jumper" is a somewhat derogatory term for charter pilots of small (Cesna-like) craft and such craft in the real world. The idea is that they fly small trips, puddles not being very large. It also sort of evokes the idea of a bush pilot flying over lakes in Alaska or the like. If you're a fan of Stargate Atlantis as well, you might recall the spacecraft class named Puddle jumper for the same reasons. I'm about the remove the linked-ness of the term, as it's clear enough and unambiguous, purely real-world, and a random phrase, not a term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puddle_jumper should make this yet more clear if you don't believe me. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:04, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:::No, it is ''definately'' not.  "Jumper" probably just refers to their ''Jump'' engines.  It was a leap of faith to assume that this is a reference to "Puddle Jumpers".  Further, the "gateships" on Stargate Atlantis are referred to as "Puddle Jumpers" as well, and this link only created confusion.  I am removing it.  My explanation on 2 December sums up my thoughts on ths subject. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:20, 9 February 2006 (EST)

::::Merv, I am getting really sick of the way you jump down someone's throat without doing even the most minimal research. Puddle jumper is a real word, as you would have figured out almost instantly by just running a [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22puddle+jumper%22 google search]. Here's the [http://www.puddlejumper.com/eindex.html first match]. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:39, 9 February 2006 (EST)

:::::I know full well that it is a real word.  On ''Stargate: Atlantis'', in the first episode they find a new type of ship that can fit through a Stargate; they get into a humorous arguement where McKay wants to call it a "Gateship", while Shepherd says "What, this little Puddle Jumper?".  '''I have already demonstrated that it was a leap of reason to assume that "Jumper" refers to "Puddle Jumper"''', but on top of this, the most frequent place BSG viewrs might here this is in context of "Stargate Atlantis"...''The show that comes on immediately before Battlestar Galactica''.  Linking this was A) unfounded speculation B) addeed confusion.  
:::::And I'm "getting really sick", as it were, of the way you pounce on me when in fact I have already A) done quite a bit of research and B) *STATED* this research.  '''I mean ''look''; at the edit I made on 15:20 February 9: I *stated* this "research" you claim that I did not.  I listed all of my reasons.  In fact, they're the same ''research'' I already posted up on December 2.  Enough of this.  The link is now gone.  Someone please arbitrate if they must.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:07, 9 February 2006 (EST)
:::::Also, when you do a [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22puddle+jumper%22 google search] as you linked above, the *'''second'''* [http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/ships/p/puddlejumper.shtml match that you find] is for the ''Stargate Atlantis'' "Puddle Jumper".  And the first page of the Images search, there are images of the Stargate Atlantis Puddle-Jumper.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:11, 9 February 2006 (EST)

::::::I have absolutely no quarrel with the substance of your edit. My sole issue is with the tone you took in your reply to CalculatinAvatar, which implied you were disagreeing with his point. This has happened before, such as on [[Talk:Narcho]] where you attacked me for defending your own point. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:36, 9 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::You are being incredibly confusing here; you just said "I have no quarrel with the substance of your edit", yet you complained that I had not "researched" the point.  Also, please actually read through my postings: because I already stated that it was from Stargate Atlantis in the edit I made in December; I knew it was a real word and I stated as much ''already''.  **As for my "tone implying that I was disagreeing with him".....er, yes.  Yes I was disagreeing with him.  I thought that was clear.  Nextly, your edits on "Narcho" were also equally confusing at the time, and you should strive to be more clear in the future, by bluntly stating as many factual points as possible in rapid succession.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:48, 9 February 2006 (EST)

::::::::On what basis are you disagreeing with CalculatinAvatar? He seems to be making exactly the same point as you. This is why I was confused by your reply to him, since I agreed with his interpretation and you seemed to take issue with it, although in fact, you appear to be in agreement. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:53, 9 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::::I disagree with him, because paradoxically, if you check the article history page for February 8, he '''restored''' the link when I removed it.  This does, I admit, seem incongruous with his previous Talk statements above, but it was the action he took. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:31, 10 February 2006 (EST)

::::::::::[[Wikipedia:Puddle Jumper|Puddle Jumper]] now leads to a disambig page which mentions the real world light aircraft classification. In your opinion, is the external link still inappropriate? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:00, 10 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::::::Hmmm...Well, I put my "thinkin' hat" on for a while, and I really think we should get rid of this superfluous (and possibly confusion-provoking) link.  That's what ''I'd'' do, anyway.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:17, 10 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::: I don't see how Peter was being confusing. As far as I can tell, he was saying that he agreed that the link was unneeded, but was protesting the fact that you came, pretty much outta no where, more or less yelling at CalculatinAvatar. This is becoming a distressing pattern, Merv (before, I was just less distressed by it, I think), your jumping off the cuff with aggressive language at people who simply disagree with you. It may be a matter that would be handled by inflection, were you interacting in real life, but you should realize that when you're dealing with text only, you have only ''very'' gross control over inflection: normal, bold and italics. And they can be construed as meaning many things. As a side note, I've noticed you like to use bold and such a lot and so, sometimes, you do combinations or all-caps or asterisks for further emphasis. I mean this in only an entirely constructive way, but... I have no idea how to interpret those passages except as very loud, so they're more confuysing to me, personally, than helpful. Anyway... end tangent. End post. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:57, 10 February 2006 (EST)

::::::::On the contrary, this is in no way "a distressing pattern"; for my concernes with CalcAvatar were entirely justified; he edited this page on Feburary 8th, and his logline for the edit was "The link does not refer to Stargate Atlantis; the meaning of the term is debatable and has been discussed on the talk page";  '''your guess is as good as mine''' why last month he made a post (seen above) in favor of ''removing'' this link, and now has come on and ''restored'' it.  So this was ''not'' "pretty much outta no where", wouldn't you agree? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:16, 10 February 2006 (EST)

::::::::: Are you intentionally misunderstanding me, or am I being unclear? Let me try to rephrase this. You opinion was not "outta no where". Your position on the edit was not "outta no where". The apparent ''rage'' you harbored on the topic of this is what strikes me as careening rather quickly from the blue yonder. Your concerns ''are'' justified. The manner in which you expressed them is ''not''. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:13, 10 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::::: In light of your post to your user page, Merv, my  reading of "apparent rage" may be erroneous, so... Well, I don't want to duplicate my post there. Just thought I'd note it here, too. Hopefully this is sorted now. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:34, 10 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::::The post earlier referred to an internal red link to [[:w:Boonie jumper|Boonie jumper]], which shouldn't be a page here, as it's just a phrase composed of real words in standard meanings with no possibility of being more than a definition. When I removed the internal red link, I added the Wikipedia link to the real term to prevent recurrant red-linking to a non-page due to not knowing the real terms. On the meaning, the context ("boonie jumpers, shuttle jockeys, and a fleet academy washout" speaking negatively about recruits) strongly suggests an intentional parallel to the disparaging term "puddle jumper." The fact Atlantis uses a similar term for a ckass of ship is absolutely irrelevant; the Wikipedia link is not to that class of ship. An equivalent objection would be against a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_grenade on the basis of the mention of the drink. That said, if there weren't confusion over the meaning here, it wouldn't seem worth linking, so I'm not going to defy a consensus or anything. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 12:04, 21 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::::::I don't think it's something worth arguing with each other about CalculatinAvatar, I'm sorry: it's just that, well I think I can sum up my basic view as "It is a logical jump to go from "boonie jumper" to assuming it refers to "puddle jumper" (term, in any context).  I dunno.  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:43, 22 February 2006 (EST)

==Two Perrys?==

In regards to Perry possibly being selected as CAG, you need to remember that Chuckles was one of the first nuggets qualified for Galactica's Viper Squadron.  It's possible that this seniority and good flying skills (unseen on the series) might have led to his consideration as new CAG.  You have to remember that Apollo and Starbuck were gone, so seniority didn't necessarily lead to CAG selection.  Tigh didn't exactly agree with Birch being chosen.

The Gideon incident with "Hammerhead" might have cut him out of the running for CAG, despite him being a senior officer (he was in the senior officer quarters in Final Cut).  Other such incidents or silent protest due to Apollo joining Roslin could have led to other senior pilots not being considered.

Then again, maybe Mueller and Perry were two of the last names on the list by the time the scene from Home (1) was shown which is why a nugget was suggested to be CAG.  Ltcrashdown December 23, 2005

:The most damning thing with regard to nugget Perry and potential-CAG Perry being the same person is that of all the pilots seen injured in Hand of God, Perry's death is most clearly depicted. His cockpit, pressure suit and body are all punctured by the same bullet or piece of shrapnel, he is shown on-screen succumbing to asphyxiation, and Stepchild immediately announces that he has "bought it". In order to survive, he would need to 1.) resume consciousness, 2.) recover control of his Viper, 3.) escape the battle, and 4.) survive his chest wound. I find this grossly implausible. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:52, 23 December 2005 (EST)

::I also agree that this is ridiculous.  Maybe the writer for Home (1) messed up when he referred to Perry.  The only reason I am sticking to this is because Chuckles is never referred to as 'Perry' except in the closing credits, and it's unlikely that Galactica would have two pilots with the last name Perry.  I'll agree to let this go until we have more information. Ltcrashdown December 23, 2005

::A pardon for posting 2 months post-facto, but something about LtCrashdown's statement demands dissection and response.
::<font style="color: #bfffbf">"... and it's unlikely that Galactica would have two pilots with the last name Perry." -- ''Ltcrashdown''</font>
::Why is this unlikely? The occurrance is ''quite'' possible. They could be brothers, could be cousins, could be distant relatives. They could just simply share a commonplace last name, such as Brown, Jones, Smith, or Johnson. Why the aversion to reality? Why does a writer ''have'' to make every name unique? Why ''can't'' this be like reality, when you look in a phone book to find fifty Andersons in the same city, and no two of them are directly related? More appropriately, why can't this be like an NBA team, where two players have the same last name Johnson, but one's black, and the other is white? Think that the coaching staff is going to cut one or trade him away because they just can't stand to have two players with the same last name on the roster? Heck, your own military unit ''probably'' has two guys in it with the same last name. Besides that, we can get into the whole thing of phonetics, where "Perry", "Perri", "Peri", "Parry", (ad nauseum) all sound the same. Same thing can be said for Mueller/Miller/Millar, etc. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:12, 21 February 2006 (EST)
:::Not only that, but Perry could be his first name. The "evidence" below being completely unclear to me, I think this might be worth a question to Bradley. Obviously this is an old discussion, so I thought I'd throw it up here first. (that's what I get for cruising odd pages of the site at random times.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 00:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

==First Name==

After looking at the screenshot from 'The Hand of God' and passing it through several filters in photoshop, it looks very much like his name is Nathan - now, what prize do i win? :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 10:33, 12 August 2006 (CDT)

:Could you link to the picture? If nothing else, I'd like to drop a link after his first name in the infobox as a reference. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 03:13, 15 August 2006 (CDT)

::The picture is already up - the shot of all the vipers from 'hand of god', each viper has the full name of the pilot written on the side, above the callsign. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 06:45, 15 August 2006 (CDT)

:::Up where?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:27, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
::::[[File:Viper7961 handofgod.jpg|thumb]] Here it is. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:42, 15 August 2006 (CDT)

:::Forgive me, but I can't read any of that text other than the 2nd and 3rd Vipers' registration numbers and the three large letters on Kat's Viper (''KAT''). --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 15:55, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
:::: I'm having the same issue as CA. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 18:59, 15 August 2006 (CDT)

::::: It's on the first viper, but I think that I am seeing "Nathan" through the power of suggestion :). Something is there. You can't see the callsign, it's out of the shot. Edit: Callsign is there can't make it out. It does look like LT. NATHAN PERRY, but I won't bet any money on it. Maybe it shows up better in the original HD for FS4x4? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:22, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::Yeah it shows up a little better in HD - dont forget, JPEG's are compressed, and the full scene would take up almost 1mb, which is too big for a screenie. You could try passing it through photoshop though... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:46, 15 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Perhaps cropping out the relevant section and uploading it at full resolution and only slightly compressed would help? A quality setting of 90-95% has never affected readability for any picture I've put into JPEG, and (as a rough estimate) less than a 12th of a 2 megapixel image should hardly be 500KiB uncompressed, meaning it should be fine after compression. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 02:49, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

It's Sergeant Donald Perry, which matches with [[:Image:Chuckles_nameplate_-_watermarked.jpg|this]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sergeant Perry? ==

The credits of "Hand of God" list Costanza and Katraine as lieutenants, Stepchild's wiki entry lists her as ensign, but the prop indicates that Perry was a sergeant ... huh? Weren't these characters together as cohorts in the first intake of pilot recruits? And the ranks on their collars when Thrace gave them the introductory brief on the Viper were of petty officers first class. Did Perry get demoted? -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Although this injects an element of fanwankiness (hell, this is the discussion page, not the article), could be explained that the deck crew didn't get around to changing all the Viper plates to reflect any promotions. But still ... -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe a case where the props shouldn't be taken ''too'' seriously if it flies in the face of common sense. One where I'd rather note the rank and the possible discrepancy in the notes section than include it everywhere. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

: In the continuity binder for 104 ("[[Act of Contrition]]"), he's noted as being a Sergeant. Do keep in mind that they hadn't ironed out the whole ranking system by that time, but still that's his rank. (Yes, I'm surprised my own self.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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	The credits of "Hand of God" list Costanza and Katraine as lieutenants, Stepchild's wiki entry lists her as ensign, but the prop indicates that Perry was a sergeant ... huh? Weren't these characters together as cohorts in the first intake of pilot recruits? And the ranks on their collars when Thrace gave them the introductory brief on the Viper were of petty officers first class. Did Perry get demoted? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)		The credits of "Hand of God" list Costanza and Katraine as lieutenants, Stepchild's wiki entry lists her as ensign, but the prop indicates that Perry was a sergeant ... huh? Weren't these characters together as cohorts in the first intake of pilot recruits? And the ranks on their collars when Thrace gave them the introductory brief on the Viper were of petty officers first class. Did Perry get demoted? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

	Although this injects an element of fanwankiness (hell, this is the discussion page, not the article), could be explained that the deck crew didn't get around to changing all the Viper plates to reflect any promotions. But still ... -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)		Although this injects an element of fanwankiness (hell, this is the discussion page, not the article), could be explained that the deck crew didn't get around to changing all the Viper plates to reflect any promotions. But still ... -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)