Editing Talk:Cylon homeworld/Archive 1

If the Cylon homeworld's location is known, would there be an offensive against it to end the second Cylon war after [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] finds [[Earth]]? -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 21:46, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:Far too generic.  Implied that if ever the humans survive out in space to make new colonies, find Earth, whatever, the Cylons fear that, human nature being what it is, they will return one day to take revenge, as stated in the miniseries.  "One Day", as in "generations from now".  Not in their lifetime, no.  One or two battlestars against the entire Cylon fleet? Impossible. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:19, 23 January 2006 (EST)
::Could it be assumed that it is a largely marine world? Or similar to the one in "Water". Lots of clues lead us to this 1)Cylon bodies can withstand immense water pressure  2)Cylon Biomech appears to derive certain aspects from deep sea marine life, including, probably, its independancy from solar energy I dunno, just a suggestion, cuz its hinted I believe. Also their tech looks very marine as well.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20 February 2006

:::The homeworld's specific location isn't known, but we take Gaeta's comment that the Colonials had a general idea. As far as the "marine world" idea: It's likely as hospitable as they needed it to be. Remember that the original Cylons that the humans fought were mechanical; they could use practically any planet that their hardware could withstand; it need not necessarily be an Earth-like planet just because the Cylons also have humanoid models (which likely appeared long after their migration). Further, we know that the Cylon agents can do superhuman feats such as strength, so while their bodies appear human, there is still a machine element there that gives them superhuman abilities; no water necessarily required. I don't know of any solar energy requirements either noted in the series inferred or expressed; the Cylon agent appears to work with the same foodstuffs as humans, and Centurions are powered on whatever they're powered on. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:37, 20 February 2006 (EST)

:::I see no reason to think it's a marine world whatsoever; they can withstand high water pressure just because (it's already been established) they're stronger than humans, and the other stuff is just speculation.  We can't really make any productive speculation on the Cylon homeworld at this point. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:05, 20 February 2006 (EST)

::::I wasn't actually suggesting we post any of it, I was just pondering on what it could be. I do hope that with Season 3 more clues will be given, the most clear clue would be about the climate (depending on how Cylons adjust to New Caprica), but we can only wait. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 25 March 2006

== Twelve Colonies in download range of Cylon homeworld? ==

"the Twelve Colonies themselves do appear to be in normal downloading-range from the Cylon homeworld ("Resurrection Ship, Part I," "Scar")." Perhaps I'm just being forgetful, but I admit I don't recall anything saying or implying that, even when concentrating on those episodes. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:05, 1 April 2006 (CST)
:From the Miniseries straight through the end of season two, Cylons have downloaded normally on Caprica.  Even after the Ressurection Ship was destroyed.  Plus, Baltar said that they made it because ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' had gone so far out into deep space; i.e. they didn't need it around the Twelve Colonies. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:14, 1 April 2006 (CST)
::The resurrection ship that was destroyed could have been around the Twelve Colonies until they set up facilities on the colonies (which seem to be there based on [[Downloaded]]). The idea they made it on the fly after the battlestars went far out seems farfetched to me based on design and construction times, even for Cylons; the idea they foresaw the flight of the battlestars seems unlikely to me as well. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:51, 1 April 2006 (CST)
::No, the Cylons did not forsee or plan the escape of the Battlestars.  No, it's just assumption in "Downloaded" that the transmission facilities are on Caprica itself, and "Downloaded" actually does not further that theory.  Based on Baltar's clear dialog in "Resurrection Ship, part I", the 12 Colonies are in range of the Cylon homeworld. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:00, 1 April 2006 (CST)

:::Additional:  "''Baltar: The Cylons call this their resurrection ship. At the moment, we are too far away from the Cylon home for the normal downloading process to work, which is why they built this ship.''"  The Cylons built the Resurrection Ship when Galactica went so far away from the Twelve Colonies that they passed out of range of the Cylon homeworld, meaning that the Colonies themselves are actually in range.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)

::::This was my impression as well, although I admit that the evidence is a bit thin. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:05, 1 April 2006 (CST)

:::::Baltar is known for not exactly talking too well. There is no clue to suggest that the 12 colonies are near the Homeworld. In fact, the distance from it is probably why they built the ship in the first place, for the attack. They wouldn't build an uber ship with thousands of spare bodies for around a dozen Cylons. They now download in Caprica because they probably established centers there now. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006
::::::We have no idea if there are download "centers" on Caprica, "Downloaded" didn't describe the process well enough, and they could just as easily have been transmitted back to the Cylon homeworld (transmitter source), then back to a new body in a basestar near the colonies or whatever.  I understand your opinion Sauron18, but as Peter has agreed, the evidence supports the view that it is near the Colonies. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:27, 6 April 2006 (CDT)

To add further proof that it is not a safe statement:

"Baltar: The Cylons call this their resurrection ship. At the moment, we are too far away from the Cylon home for the normal downloading process to work, which is why they built this ship. It contains the entire apparatus necessary for Cylon resurrection. Now this ship has been traveling with the fleet trailing Galactica for the last several months "

1)Gina has been on Pegasus since the attack, yet she recognized the ship, this wouldn't be possible if it is as you say.

2)Gina fully expected to have been reborn in the Resurrection Ship. For all she knew they could be within a few miles of the Colonies, and yet said the Ship would revive her.

3)Baltar said that it had been trailing the fleet the last several months, leaving even less time for the Cylons to build a ship this size, which is, inevitably, quite impossible.

4)The only thing that suggests he's talking about only the fleet being too far away is "at the moment", and that is simply to obscure to assume it means the Colonies are close enough.

5)In "Downloaded" we see Six download into a chamber. RDM has stated we won't see their homeworld in a while, eliminating that location, and it was too soon to have a chamber in Caprica. This leaves only the option of the Resurrection Ship, since it would act as the safety net for the Cylon Attack.

These are my 5 main proofs against the assumption that they are close enough to the colonies. Aside from this, I can only ask that you use logic, which would dicate that a ship this size would not be created:

a)In a matter of 1 or 2 months.

or

b)Solely for around 12 Agents (carrying the bodies of thousands) 

I hope you see what I see--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006

:1) As we've seen in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down", etc.  The Humanoid Cylons actually can communicate with Cylon ships using those high-frequency little transponder devices they have (they mention a signal being sent out or recieved).  <br>2) Gina was in her cell and didn't know exactly where they were, but she was aboard Pegasus for week possibly months before being found out.  During that time, Cain could already have established that they were running away from the colonies to fight a hit and run war.  Thus, she could pretty well assume that they weren't near the Colonies, as this would mean Cain would be singlehandedly taking on the entire Cylon fleet (which even Cain only contemplated when she got reinforced with Galactica).<br>3)I really don't see the logic in this: The Cylons control the resources of an entire planet at least (their own), and they are advamced machines with advanced manufacturing.  I think they could build this in a matter of a few months (two or three) if they really needed to.<br>4)This point doesn't make much sense:  "Simply too obscure"? At the moment, they are not near the Colonies.  They keep saying "out here", deep space, etc.  Not in range.  <br>5)  You're combining two statements there:  we won't see the ENTIRE Cylon homeworld, but that doesn't rule out to me at all that that particular scene took place in an "isolated room" on the Cylon homeworld, that is, we don't see a skyline and such but it's "on" the planet.  Meanwhile, RDM's statement that we won't seen the homeworld for a while was made in mid-Season 2.5, but now it looks like he's planning to jump back to Number Three doing stuff on the Cylon Homeworld.

:Using logic, I hope you can all see the truth. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:39, 6 April 2006 (CDT)

I think we should just delete that last sentence. It's not extremely necessary and it's better if we leave it unmentioned until season 3, rather than being proven wrong (either way) and having that embarassment. An omition of the Homeworld and the Colonies would be the best thing right now. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006
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-If the Cylon homeworld's location is known, would there be an offensive against it to end the second Cylon war after [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] finds [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]? -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 21:46, 21 January 2006 (EST)
+If the Cylon homeworld's location is known, would there be an offensive against it to end the second Cylon war after [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] finds [[Earth]]? -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 21:46, 21 January 2006 (EST)
 :Far too generic.  Implied that if ever the humans survive out in space to make new colonies, find Earth, whatever, the Cylons fear that, human nature being what it is, they will return one day to take revenge, as stated in the miniseries.  "One Day", as in "generations from now".  Not in their lifetime, no.  One or two battlestars against the entire Cylon fleet? Impossible. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:19, 23 January 2006 (EST)
 ::Could it be assumed that it is a largely marine world? Or similar to the one in "Water". Lots of clues lead us to this 1)Cylon bodies can withstand immense water pressure  2)Cylon Biomech appears to derive certain aspects from deep sea marine life, including, probably, its independancy from solar energy I dunno, just a suggestion, cuz its hinted I believe. Also their tech looks very marine as well.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20 February 2006
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 :::Additional:  "''Baltar: The Cylons call this their resurrection ship. At the moment, we are too far away from the Cylon home for the normal downloading process to work, which is why they built this ship.''"  The Cylons built the Resurrection Ship when Galactica went so far away from the Twelve Colonies that they passed out of range of the Cylon homeworld, meaning that the Colonies themselves are actually in range.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)
-::::This was my impression as well, although I admit that the evidence is a bit thin. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:05, 1 April 2006 (CST)
+::::This was my impression as well, although I admit that the evidence is a bit thin. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:05, 1 April 2006 (CST)
 :::::Baltar is known for not exactly talking too well. There is no clue to suggest that the 12 colonies are near the Homeworld. In fact, the distance from it is probably why they built the ship in the first place, for the attack. They wouldn't build an uber ship with thousands of spare bodies for around a dozen Cylons. They now download in Caprica because they probably established centers there now. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006
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 I think we should just delete that last sentence. It's not extremely necessary and it's better if we leave it unmentioned until season 3, rather than being proven wrong (either way) and having that embarassment. An omition of the Homeworld and the Colonies would be the best thing right now. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006
-==Season Three's "Cylon World"==
-Unless I'm mistaken, I believe it was recently said that the "Cylon World" RDM talked about isn't literally their homeworld, but rather a basestar (note, he also used "Cylon World" when referring to their POV in Downloaded). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 10:12 19 April 2006
-==New Information==
-Thanks to Mr. Bradley Thompson, who has taken time to answer several questions about the show, we now know that the 12 Colonies are in fact '''not''' within downloading range of the Cylon Homeworld. Clarifying it on the article. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05, 17 June 2006 (CDT)
-:You need to create a {{tl|sourcebox}} on the article. There are several formats already on [[Grace Park]] and [[Sources:Grace Park]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:22, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
-::So, I just make a new page with this one it:
-The Cylons either built a downloading facility on Caprica or detailed one of their few Resurrection Ships to Colonial occupation duties. By "Pegasus," Galactica's a long way from both. Downloading is very touchy (and highly classified technology). Ngarenn 19:32, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
-Yes? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:59, 17 June 2006 (CDT)
-Bascily. Just make sure you link his username. You only need to add {{tl|sourcebox}} at the end and then click on the red link and create the new page.  :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>
-:I removed the other template just so it doesn't come in the "category". --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
-::Thanks, I think I did it.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:12, 17 June 2006 (CDT)
-:::Excellent! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:13, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
-== IS there a Cylon Homeworld? ==
-After the revelations of  [[Sometimes a Great Notion]], I was really wondering about this. The Colonials have always assumed there was a Cylon homeworld somewhere beyond the Armistice Line, but has any Cylon character ever confirmed that fact? (All the dialogue references I can remember were made by human characters.) Maybe the Cylons just wandered in space, the way the Fleet is now. Perhaps the Plan referenced in the first two seasons' credits had to do with conquering the Colonies so they would have actual homeworlds again. (Why else would they go to such trouble to clean up Caprica -- and presumably the other Colonies -- after nuking them?)