Editing Talk:Cylon Centurion/Archive 1

The stub calls the Warrior an "upgrade" of the old chrome toaster.  
Given what we have seen of the inside of the BaseStar and Starbuck's Raider, isn't it likely that the Warrior is a product of the semi-organic line of Cylons?

The Warrior is, at best, the conceptual and functional sucessor to the old Centurion.  A similar relationship might be found between the the M-4 Sherman tanke of World War II and the M-1A2 Abrams tank of today.  Both machines do the same job, have many analogous features, but the only contributions the Sherman made to the development of the Abrams were its flaws.

Nick Kuzmik

: Actually, given that we never saw any organic matter come out of a shot Cylon Warrior, we can assume it is more robotic than organic.  Obviously, this has not been stated overtly, so it is still conjecture.  Therefore, it is possible that the Cylon Warrior is an "evolutionary" step to an organic-like Cylon (one with more fluid movement and flexibility) using non-organic materials. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe.Beaudoin]] (not logged in)


We need a better pic, like one from the miniseries or "33".--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:03, 24 February 2006 (EST)

== Deployed Greatly ==

What does "However, when Centurions are deployed greatly, they are deployed in huge numbers." mean? I'd delete it outright, but someone just added it, so I'd feel bad. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:56, 1 April 2006 (CST)

:I have no such compunction. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)

Bigger problem: what's with that ''entire'' paragraph?  How do we *know* they weren't deployed in large numbers on the ground to mop up colonial units after the intial attacks?  I always assumed they were, just off screen.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:46, 1 April 2006 (CST)



<blockquote>The Cylon Centurions may also have different armors. For instance, a small number of them wreaked havoc when boarding Galactica, and could only be destroyed using explosive rounds (Valley of Darkness). </blockquote>
Other than their resistance to small arms fire, there was no indication that the Centurion boarding party comprised an up-armored model, although that would not be a bad a idea considering the close and nasty fighting they could anticipate.  

Comparison of the images on the Centurion page <ref>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Cylon_Centurion_New_001.jpg</ref> and <ref>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Centz.jpg</ref> does show evidence of modified armor. Furthermore, additional armor would reduce speed and manuverability, which creates a contradiction, as the attack on Galactica is when the Centurions were at their most nimble. I propose that this is not a matter of Cylon armor, but of Colonial <i>ammo</i>. 

Its been a while... that and I don't own any of the DVD's so somebody has to help me out here... 
But Helo and Boomer's "kills" on Caprica are suspect because the Cylons were playing with him. Did we ever confirm the destruction of a Centrion via Colonial Fleet sidearm fire?  Or did they just fall down and play dead after getting hit with lead spitballs?

On Kobol, again, I don't recal any confirmed pistol kills, we did see some probable <i>rifle</i> kills. But a rifle with full metal jacket, ball round; heck, if I'm fighting Cylons, all I'm bringing is armor-piercing; is a very different catridge from a pistol round. By way of example, fire a full metal jacket, 9 mm Parabellum from a HK P9 pistol.  Now fire that same round from an HK MP5.  The MP5 will have higher muzzle velocity, longer range, greater accuracy, and greater penetration. Changed that to a necked-down micro-caliber, and a service rifle could concievably take out Centurions with the right ammo.

Which brings us to the question:  "Why didn't they have the good bullets on Galactica?" Sean Connery said it oh so well in <u>Hunt For Red October</u>, "Most of the things in here don't react too well to bullets."
Shipboard security is probably issued some time of frangible round that won't over penetrate, and won't richocet too much.  That also means it is pretty much uselless against armor.  The limited stockpile of explosive rounds are there "just in case" they need to penetrate some armor, but the dedicated armor piercing ammo is probably stored somewhere that was not conveniently accessible.  

With regards to the Cylons varried speed and intelligence, I still think that the Centurions are like the Raiders, crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside. Its also possible that the team sent to board Galactica was a group of elites.  Older, more experiences, better trained.  Kind of like Scar in a way...

[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 20:24, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

:You make some good speculative points based on episode history. You might want to review the article to see where you can add these questions you bring up as references or in the notes section of the article, as appropriate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:29, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

:That centurions come equipped with different armor was mentioned by Bradley Thompson in the BW:OC. They are neither organic nor sentient though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:06, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, I noticed the stuff about the non-sentient, non-organic stuff shortly after writing all that. I guess the if its an official source we have to accept the assorted armor thing.  Though it begs the question, why not use the beefy ones more often?
[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 23:19, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
:: The Cylons are practical beings, who are limited by the amount of natural resources at their disposal. It follows that they may not need to upgrade Centurions ''en masse'' since it's not the most practical thing to do. As Six mentions in the Miniseries, they still have the old "walking chrome toaster" models around, since they have their uses. Or they may simply be limited by said resources at their disposal. After all, you don't need a heavily armored Cylon to plant tress now, do you? In addition to that question, bear in mind that Centurions also double as manual labor -- heavier armor detracts their effectiveness, even if they are machines. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 07:48, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

== Armor Hood ==
More a question of curiosity then anything else, but while I was looking at some of the pictures (especially the ones from the miniseries and those from season 3) I noticed the metal "hood" the Centurions have that covers the back of their head seems to vary in sizes. In the miniseries and the full body picture in the wiki, the hood seems to rise higher then the top of the cylon's head. But in other [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Centz.jpg shots], such as those of the Centurion garding Baltar in Collaborators, the hood seems noticeably smaller. I'm wondering if its a change in design or simply due to the positioning of the Cylon's head. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:40, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:It's just the positioning, the Centurions have looked the same throughought the whole series, if only looking a bit taller....but they're probably the same height too. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)

== Downloads and Centurions ==

We've already established that Centurions are just 'bots.  No organics, presumably no downloading. While Athena may have provided the reasoning behind that, there is a good reason not to limit the Centurions that way.  The best example is Scar. He was experienced, wily, and very lethal.

Now imagine how the events in Valley Darkness could have gone if there was one centurion on each team that had 1/3 of that skill and experience.  I'm not saying the Centurions can't learn... but if they can learn and benefit from experience, are they smart enough to rebel later?

The smart move would be to build a Centurion around the CNS of a skin job and just download into a "combat" body when needed. But this doesn't seem possible.  Recall tha tCavil had to scratch open his carotid artery with and empty shell casin.  

Not sure where I'm going here but something is bugging me
[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 13:03, 11 November 2006 (CST)

== Slur/nickname sources ==
It'd look great if we could track down the episodes where the "bullethead", etc., euphemisms are used and cite them using ref tags (so that we'd actually have a references section). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:21, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:I added them directly into the article, but they are in order. Should be their first appearances, but "bullethead" and" "chrome job" have been used on other occasions too I think --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:16, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

== Height ==
Guys, how tall are Centurions? Majestic's 12-inch figure is really 13.5' (1:6) which would translate into a real-life height of 6'9' '. Others say it's more like seven or even eight feet. What do you think? -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 09:02, 23 September 2007 (CDT)hat 
:I would say, based on on screen evidence, that they are in the 6'5' to 6'7' range. --[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]

==Knowledge of the Five==
There's a line in the article which I feel we should perhaps remove-

:'''''"As with the Seven humanoids, the identities of the "Final Five" Cylons are not known to Centurions, as several soldiers have fired on these people before, notably Samuel Anders."''''' 

I think this mainly because it's not a fact, and the fact is that for all we know they haven't been shooting at Anders but at his resistance people (never actually hit him), so whether they do or don't recognize the Five is not really known, and while we can guess from what we see, it's not certain. So I would suggest we just remove it to prevent any possible problems in the future. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:02, 17 October 2007 (CDT)
: I agree, since it isn't explicitly stated or inferred one way or the other. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 16:11, 17 October 2007 (CDT)

== Laser gun? ==

Too me it looks more like a shotgun --[[User:KDP3|KDP3]] 22:23, 9 December 2007 (CST)
: Are you referring to the caption for the image in the gallery? If so, the image caption says "large gun", not "laser gun". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 22:28, 9 December 2007 (CST)

yeah I reread it {{unsigned|KDP3}}

== "Shooting" Cylons ==

The process of actually comping in a Cylon Centurion is a little different than described in the final paragraph. The cardboard cutout is used only for framing purposes, so that there's enough space for VFX to place a Centurion properly. Stand-ins may be used in blocking out complex moves, but when it comes to shooting, there's nothing there, meaning the actors are reacting to empty space. Anything left in the shot would mean additional work for VFX to erase it before comping something. I haven't seen the video blog referenced (Sci-Fi seems to have taken down the blogs), but it almost sounds like a joke the crew was playing on hapless PAs. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 21:10, 13 February 2008 (CST)
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 The stub calls the Warrior an "upgrade" of the old chrome toaster.
 Given what we have seen of the inside of the BaseStar and Starbuck's Raider, isn't it likely that the Warrior is a product of the semi-organic line of Cylons?
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 What does "However, when Centurions are deployed greatly, they are deployed in huge numbers." mean? I'd delete it outright, but someone just added it, so I'd feel bad. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:56, 1 April 2006 (CST)
-:I have no such compunction. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)
+:I have no such compunction. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)
 Bigger problem: what's with that ''entire'' paragraph?  How do we *know* they weren't deployed in large numbers on the ground to mop up colonial units after the intial attacks?  I always assumed they were, just off screen.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:46, 1 April 2006 (CST)
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 The process of actually comping in a Cylon Centurion is a little different than described in the final paragraph. The cardboard cutout is used only for framing purposes, so that there's enough space for VFX to place a Centurion properly. Stand-ins may be used in blocking out complex moves, but when it comes to shooting, there's nothing there, meaning the actors are reacting to empty space. Anything left in the shot would mean additional work for VFX to erase it before comping something. I haven't seen the video blog referenced (Sci-Fi seems to have taken down the blogs), but it almost sounds like a joke the crew was playing on hapless PAs. -- [[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 21:10, 13 February 2008 (CST)
-== Re-formatting the article. ==
-Would anyone consider re-formatting this article to make it more like the one for the 0005 Model Centurion? I like the general design of that page and the way that it cleanly presents information - and that it gels with the ship articles in terms of layout. I could redo this article to fit said mold in the next few weeks, if this is desired by the community, or someone else could do it before hand if they want to see it done earlier. --[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]
-== Telencephalic Inhibitor Implications (see link to other talk page) ==
-[[Talk:Telencephalic_inhibitor#Implications_are_being_propigated.]]
-There are massive irresponsible implications being made, that have no basis in the show canon. --[[User:Tritium|Tritium]] 09:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
-==New Design, or Variant Centurion?==
-In the sixth episode of the fourth season, Faith, a Centurion in the Hybrid's chamber has a design that differs from the ones we'd seen previously. Here is an image:
-http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1618/centurionsgq3.jpg
-It's not a huge difference, mainly those added divisions on the shoulders, but the Centurion also appears to be a bit shorter and slightly thicker. Idk if it's worthy of being mentioned, or what other's thoughts on this are.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:49, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Spinning chest balls ==
-Has anyone else notices the spinning ball in the Cylon Centurion's chest? Has this been explained? [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 23:23, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
-:Random spinning, flashing or otherwise animated parts is something sci-fi artists seem to love putting into their work. I can only assume it is because "it looks cool", because they rarely, if ever, make any sense from an engineering point of view. [[User:Caldumidoan|Caldumidoan]] 05:56, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
-:: More than likely, it's a gyroscope of some kind, used to help maintain their orientation. [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]] 08:23, 30 November 2012 (EST)