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| == Promo Pics == | | == Promo Pics == |
| Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000aaqbh here]. Hard believe that's the last for Season 3. However, they may release a few more for this episode. At least there's the 2-hr movie between seasons. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:03, 27 February 2007 (CST) | | Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000aaqbh here]. Hard believe that's the last for Season 3. However, they may release a few more for this episode. At least there's the 2-hr movie between seasons. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:03, 27 February 2007 (CST) |
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| That promo pic of Six, Baltar, and Hera appears to be shot in the "Final Five" room. Anyone else notice this? [[User:Paulmooreparks|Metalnose]] 19:57, 28 February 2007 (CST) | | That promo pic of Six, Baltar, and Hera appears to be shot in the "Final Five" room. Anyone else notice this? [[User:Paulmooreparks|Paulmooreparks]] 19:57, 28 February 2007 (CST) |
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| : Yes, indeed I did. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:02, 28 February 2007 (CST) | | : Yes, indeed I did. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:02, 28 February 2007 (CST) |
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| hey the commercial has anders voice syaing "yeah we're cylons" WTF --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378 | | hey the commercial has anders voice syaing "yeah we're cylons" WTF --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378 |
| :I don't know whose voice it is, but the line is definitely "It's true, we're Cylons". -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT) | | :I don't know whose voice it is, but the line is definitely "It's true, we're Cylons". -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT) |
| :At first, I thought it was Anders speaking, just because his face appeared at the same moment. On subsequent viewing, I think it's...drum roll...Chief Tyrol! --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 12:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT) | | :At first, I thought it was Anders speaking, just because his face appeared at the same moment. {{spoilli|On subsequent viewing, I think it's...drum roll...Chief Tyrol!}} --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 12:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT) |
| ::Read the thing linked below. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT) | | ::Read the thing linked below. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT) |
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| Maybe a growing and aging body function interfers with the ressurrection ability. Exact copies, thus perfectly aligned brainwave patterns to reinsert into the new body. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:56, 24 March 2007 (CDT) | | Maybe a growing and aging body function interfers with the ressurrection ability. Exact copies, thus perfectly aligned brainwave patterns to reinsert into the new body. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:56, 24 March 2007 (CDT) |
| :Who says they have brainwaves? [[Silica pathways]], remember? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 00:32, 25 March 2007 (CDT) | | :Who says they have brainwaves? [[Silica pathways]], remember? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 00:32, 25 March 2007 (CDT) |
| ::So Tigh can't be a Cylon because Cylons don't age, Cylons don't age because ageing would interfere with the resurrection process, and we know that ageing would interfere with the resurrection process because there needs to be some reason for the Cylons not to age? This is a clear circular logic fallacy. There is '''no canonical evidence''' which rules out the possibility of Cylons ageing. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT) | | ::So Tigh can't be a Cylon because Cylons don't age, Cylons don't age because ageing would interfere with the resurrection process, and we know that ageing would interfere with the resurrection process because there needs to be some reason for the Cylons not to age? This is a clear circular logic fallacy. There is '''no canonical evidence''' which rules the possibility of Cylons ageing. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT) |
| :::Point taken, but it would seem strange that the Cylons would neglect ageing when they went about making themselves into an IMPROVED version of Human. It would be an inconveinence for a cylon to be dying of old age and ressurecting in what would be (from their point of view) a constant stream for all time. Why is the idea that they found a way around that so strange to you? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT) | | :::Point taken, but it would seem strange that the Cylons would neglect ageing when they went about making themselves into an IMPROVED version of Human. It would be an inconveinence for a cylon to be dying of old age and ressurecting in what would be (from their point of view) a constant stream for all time. Why is the idea that they found a way around that so strange to you? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT) |
| ::::All I'm saying is that there is currently no evidence for or against Cylon ageing, no evidence about whether or not Cylons have the technology for eternal youth and no conclusive proof that they would or would not use such technology if they had it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT) | | ::::All I'm saying is that there is currently no evidence for or against Cylon ageing, no evidence about whether or not Cylons have the technology for eternal youth and no conclusive proof that they would or would not use such technology if they had it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT) |
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| No. Cylons don't age because we see them in the ressurrection ship, and being ressurrected in the same exact age. You saw all of the copies of Sharon and six, not one was "younger" or "older". There has been no age variants (and im specifically pointing out scenes from the Cylon perspective, taking the "keep it a secret" response pointless. There is no cylon aging process. They are manufactured, not grown. If they age, it's from the time they are manufactured. Remember this goes back to a discussion about Saul Tigh. He ages normally. But here is a bigger piece of info I have to offer. Saul, Anders, and Tyrol never became succeptible to the encephalitis virus. That alone should end all of this nonsense. Humans are immune to it. Cylons are not. Saul Tigh being a cylon? If so, then the show has jumped... no... done a double reverse backflip over a whole school of sharks. If Saul is a Cylon (and if the final five are actually the bad guy cylon type of cylons) then I am done with this show. So I prefer to give the whole fourth season a chance to redefine "cylon" as Moore has stated. What is a cylon? Who cares. All I know is that the "final five"... if SAUL TIGH is irrefutably one... are some Earth-based 13th tribe faction that is somehow manipulating all of this, for some reason. Either that or they were bugged into thinking they are cylons. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 00:23, 28 March 2007 (CDT) | | No. Cylons don't age because we see them in the ressurrection ship, and being ressurrected in the same exact age. You saw all of the copies of Sharon and six, not one was "younger" or "older". There has been no age variants (and im specifically pointing out scenes from the Cylon perspective, taking the "keep it a secret" response pointless. There is no cylon aging process. They are manufactured, not grown. If they age, it's from the time they are manufactured. Remember this goes back to a discussion about Saul Tigh. He ages normally. But here is a bigger piece of info I have to offer. Saul, Anders, and Tyrol never became succeptible to the encephalitis virus. That alone should end all of this nonsense. Humans are immune to it. Cylons are not. Saul Tigh being a cylon? If so, then the show has jumped... no... done a double reverse backflip over a whole school of sharks. If Saul is a Cylon (and if the final five are actually the bad guy cylon type of cylons) then I am done with this show. So I prefer to give the whole fourth season a chance to redefine "cylon" as Moore has stated. What is a cylon? Who cares. All I know is that the "final five"... if SAUL TIGH is irrefutably one... are some Earth-based 13th tribe faction that is somehow manipulating all of this, for some reason. Either that or they were bugged into thinking they are cylons. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 00:23, 28 March 2007 (CDT) |
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| : Actually, ''everything'' ages and deteriorates. Aging is just that, a form of deterioration. To be honest, and getting back to reality, it's really a conceit on the part of the show, since they all use the same actor. Also, just because an older copy of a Sharon exists doesn't mean that the older Sharon must download into an older body. Take the instance of a hard drive: information from an older hard drive can be downloaded into a newer hard drive, without changing the actual data. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:53, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :Which makes me curious: with Baltar's earlier Cylon detector, he discovered Boomer was a Cylon. While he gave everyone else a "clean bill of health", surely he'd have had to scan at least one of the four (Anders being the obvious exception) at one time or another. Why, assuming that he did, didn't their natures show up then?--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:42, 28 March 2007 (CDT) | | :Which makes me curious: with Baltar's earlier Cylon detector, he discovered Boomer was a Cylon. While he gave everyone else a "clean bill of health", surely he'd have had to scan at least one of the four (Anders being the obvious exception) at one time or another. Why, assuming that he did, didn't their natures show up then?--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:42, 28 March 2007 (CDT) |
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| : As Caprica-Six explains in Crossroads, Part I, the Cylon fleet has been following the unique radiation leakage from the tylium refinery. Secondly, there is no evidence one way or the other that the four of them were ever "bugged", or even if the Cylons have that kind of technology. Also, the "Significant Seven" and "Final Five" actually parallel (to an extent) the Titans and the Olympians from Greek mythology, and given much of the Greek underpinnings of the series, I find this easily more believable than the Cylons taking a page out of Scorpius's manual and shoving a neural transponder in their heads, or some such. I would elaborate further, but again this isn't the place to discuss that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 06:10, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| Someone is going to reply that the final five aren't designed like the other seven, and that will explain the cylon detector, the encephalitis virus, and the cylons' inability to recognize them. What it won't explain is the lack of visionary, oracle, and prophetic relevance of these newly revealed final-frauds. The Final Five at the very least should be involved in the prophecies, have some interactions on a spiritual or psychic level (either via the oracles or via the visions), and should have some connection to the priesthood. Here is what happened. The cylon "phone home" bug became active when Tyrol was close to the Eye of Jupiter. The Cylons have some link to the prophecies. But remember, Cavil said that it would take them a longer time to find Earth without the prophecies. So the final five are either not helping or not cognizant regarding them. Ok, I'm done. By the way, where can one post about this stuff, if posting here is inappropriate? --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 00:56, 28 March 2007 (CDT) | | Someone is going to reply that the final five aren't designed like the other seven, and that will explain the cylon detector, the encephalitis virus, and the cylons' inability to recognize them. What it won't explain is the lack of visionary, oracle, and prophetic relevance of these newly revealed final-frauds. The Final Five at the very least should be involved in the prophecies, have some interactions on a spiritual or psychic level (either via the oracles or via the visions), and should have some connection to the priesthood. Here is what happened. The cylon "phone home" bug became active when Tyrol was close to the Eye of Jupiter. The Cylons have some link to the prophecies. But remember, Cavil said that it would take them a longer time to find Earth without the prophecies. So the final five are either not helping or not cognizant regarding them. Ok, I'm done. By the way, where can one post about this stuff, if posting here is inappropriate? --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 00:56, 28 March 2007 (CDT) |
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| : Tyrol, Tigh and Anders did not board the base ship. Also, Tigh was not XO during this incident as he was pretty much drinking himself in a stupor at that time. Tyrol is a NCO, so he wouldn't have any contact with the Cylons transferred from the baseship, and (from what can be inferred from the episode) the Colonials used quarantine procedures to transfer the boarding party to sickbay (so this removes him from being exposed that way as well). And Anders has no reason (or access) to the Cylon prisoners retrieved from the infected basestar. Also, clearly, the Significant Seven don't know who the Final Five are (consciously speaking), hence D'anna's search.
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| : As for the best place to discuss this, I would recommend a bulletin board, like Ragnar Anchorage or Scifi.com. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 06:10, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == Song title ==
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| I'd just like someone who knows to put up the title of the Dylan song. Thx.--[[User:飞机|飞机]] 02:42, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| :It's All Along the Watchtower, but I'm having trouble making edits right now. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:14, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::I just added it to the page. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:22, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| Can we post the lyrics without a copyright violation? There are some lines in the song that are certainly significant.
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| Oh, and regarding the arguments on this board about the finale...I think you're missing the real point, which is the fact that Bob Dylan is a Cylon. We should throw him out the airlock.-- [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 18:24, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| : Very funny. ;-) However, the lyrics are posted on [[The Music|the page for "ze musak"]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:32, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::Hey, I didn't say anything about the fact that Tory sings the line "I can't get no relief" while's she's in the ''bathroom''! I know it's significant!
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| :::Actually, they all four say a line from the song (although thanks...Tory's was the one I missed). I think this is worthy of being added to the signifcant quotes and the notes sections. I'll do it if everyone agrees. (I need to go back and pull them in context). BTW Joe, I like your "ze music" although it's awfully close to Dr. Zee. Something you wanna tell us? I guess I shouldn't speculate on what Joe knows. What is it when you speculate on stuff on a discussion page -- wikiwanking?--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 17:41, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
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| Stopping now... [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 22:08, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| OK...I need some help regarding my statement above. All four of them, towards the end of the episode and in succession, recite the first verse, starting with Tyrol's "There must be some way out of here" and finishing with Tory's "I can't get no relief." This is NOT what I was referring to above. Two of the four (not three like a stated above) say lines from the song in conversational context. (see the quotes section of this article to see the exact quotes--I posted them). What I need help with is I find it odd the writers would have Anders and Tigh do this, but not Tory and Tyrol. But for the life of me I cannot find where they do it. I've watched the episode over and over again, but am worried I'm stil missing it. Anyone wanna take a crack at seeing if either of them do it? I even went back and skimmed [[Crossroads, Part 1]], but had no luck.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:06, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::Ok one correction...sort of. Tyrol, when talkng to Anders says a partial line: "Way outta here." I'm not sure this counts though becasue A.) He was actually referring to the lyrics. The other two were said as part of a different discussion. and B.) It's a partial line. I'm not sure if this qualifies or not.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 21:11, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
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| I'd be interested to know who covers this version of the song. I've been looking around for this specific version and I can't find it. Anyone know? --[[User:Jamziz|Jamziz]] 06:27, 31 March 07 (UTC)
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| :I found the answer to my question, it's the band BT4. You can find their blog here [http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm BT4 Blog] or you can visit their [http://www.bt4online.com/ Main Page] --[[User:Jamziz|Jamziz]] 19:15, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == Saul Tigh, Monotheist ==
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| I think there's a significant bit of Noteworthy Dialogue that should be added to the main page. In the scene where the four "new" Cylons meet, right after they hum a few bars of "All Along the Watchtower," Tigh shouts, "That's enough, God damn it!" What's significant about this line is that Tigh switches to a singular deity rather than his usual plural for this particular expletive, thereby cementing the fact that he really is a full-blown, monotheistic Cylon. [[User:Paulmooreparks|Metalnose]] 18:45, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| : Actually, it's really not ''that'' significant ... The Colonials have gone back and forth using the plural and singular forms various times. It might be worthy of a note at least, but the use of "God" by Tigh in this instance isn't all that damning. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:35, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::In a polytheistic society, using a reference to a single, unspecified god as an expletive could theoretically be considered less sacrilegious than using the name of a specific god. The Christian references can be written off as [[Wikipedia:minced oath|minced oaths]], but that's pretty far into [[Wikipedia:No-Prize|No-Prize]] territory. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:12, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
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| The discussion and dissection is moot anyway because he says "god''s''damnit". Both me and the closed caption hear it. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 01:32, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
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| : Well, you're right. I listened to it again and the plural is there. [[User:Paulmooreparks|Metalnose]] 07:13, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
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| ::Ive seen the whole episode twice and the last 10 minutes about 4 times. He clearly said god'''s'''. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 15:39, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
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| == Removed analysis ==
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| *Tigh states that if he dies today, he will be remembered as a human officer of the fleet and a patriot. But if death for the Final Five is similar to that of the other humanoid cylon models, if he dies he will be downloaded into a new body, surrounded by cylons intending to manipulate him to their side or box his consciousness, and should he ever come in contact with those who knew him as a human they would instantly regard him as a cylon and therefore an enemy.
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| <s>**Maybe not. The Cylons don't even know what the [[Final Five]] look like so I doubt that they'd have new bodies for them to download into. The only one who knew one of the [[Number Three]]s ended up [[boxed]] along with her entire model line.</s>
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| # it's not written in encyclopedic language, but in "I think", "I doubt", etc. language
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| # the parent bullet point says "'''if''' death for the Final Five is similar to that of the other humanoid Cylon models..."
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| If you think there's some information in the removed bullet point you can merge into the parent one while being encyclopedic and not redundant, feel free to do so. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:10, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
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| I was watcihng some BSG bloops/gags on the google video. And at some point Starbuck says that she's a cylon and that she is going to die at the end of the sason.
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| ''Battlestar Galactica: Season 3 Gag Reel'' is the name of the video (details : Sci Fi Channel
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| Please if someone could verify that, and say if that is a genuine comment that she made. [[User:DedMed|DedMed]] 20:45, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
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| : It was a joke... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:48, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
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| : Yeah thought so too, but the thing that is puzzling me is that she said that she is going to die well before that episode and we know how she wanst supposed to do that. Having in mind that that part of her ''interview'' carried out, it might be logical to conclude that the other part could be true as well. Kinda explains her appearance at the end of Crossroads. Nevertheless i can't deny the fact that all of this is under the atmosphere of a joke, and that..well...probably is a joke. [[User:DedMed|DedMed]] 06:05, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
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| ::That interview is from before Season 2 aired. They shot the beginning of Season 3 at the time. "Maelstrom" wasn't even conceived by the writers back then. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:58, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
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| There is some speculation over on "Big W" that the encounter at the end of the finale takes place in the Large Magellanic Cloud, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxies_in_fiction#Large_Magellanic_Cloud
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| Can anyone verify what is said here at all? Or is this just another case of baseless speculation? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:01, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
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| :I'd remove that from Wikipedia. The zoom-out begins right at the edge of our galaxy and indeed in some blue cluster of stars, but the scale doesn't really fit for it to be one of our companion galaxies. The Milky Way is about 100.000 LY in diameter and the Large Magellanic Cloud is 160.000 LY distant. There would have to be a noticeable gap between the two. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:27, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
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| ::Done. If it's questioned, I'll cite your reasoning. Thanks for clarifying :) -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:45, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
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| People have been posting across the internet about how the pop-music that is played at the end of this episode (and alsoo hinted at during the experiences of Tyrol/Anders/Tigh/Tory hearing music in their head). I have been speculating about how the writing will explain that these four are not cylons...or that the final five are not cylons. I never cared one way or another for the music, it didn't matter to me. BUT I just realized, the music is actually relevant. Ok, I will have to go with my 2nd assertation. The "Fantastic Four" + Starbuck are the final five (sad) but the final five are not cylons (happy). How do I know? THE MUSIC. To all those complaing about how the music is inappropriate to this series, I refer you to the opening credits of the movie "Contact". And when this series starts in January, you can all give me my accolades for figuring the script out. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 07:48, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
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| :Except RDM said they were Cylons... albeit much different than the others. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:55, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
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| IT doesn't matter at that point. The whole cylon issue is moot. They are not cylons because they are not a part of the Cylon conspiracy against the 12 colonies. They are part of a third faction which either came from Earth or came from the 13th tribe before it left for earth. It's like saying humans are monkeys albeit much different. Come on Merciful, step back and look at the angle I am making. I am not making a simplistic explanation. Now I am baffled as to why Wikipedia says that the dramatic zoom out placed the fleet in the Large Magellianic cloud. It didn't seem that way to me. But if it was, then my theory has been shot down. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 07:58, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
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| :Dude. RDM said they're Cylons, just different. RDM! He's the one who decides what goes on on the show. What he says, goes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:21, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
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| Did he not also say that the very definition of a Cylon will be called to question after the revelation of the final five? Yes.. yes he did. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 11:34, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
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| :Exactly. What the audience thought "Cylon" meant is wrong. It has a much broader definition, which includes these 4. I have my own cute theory around All Around the Watchtower (That the Final 5 could have begun as uploaded humans who grew up in the 60's and were transferred to machine form in the mid-21st century, and thus picked a Dylan tune as their song) but it's fairly well contradicted by Bear McCreary's statements about the reasons for the use of AATW, so it' just for amusement.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:24, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
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| ::That is amusing, Brad, especially with the 1960's [[w:LSD|acid parties]] and other New Age nonsense that, going on your idea, may have altered the consciousnesses of some WAY more than they realized. :) The fact that these four people ARE Cylons suggests a positive end to what would otherwise be a villainous course: The "we are all one" scenario. The nature of the Four doesn't bother me: it's Kara Thrace and [[The Destiny|her destiny]] that intrigues me. (While this is interesting, let's remember from here on in to keep our comments here brief and relative to the article to [[BW:NOT|minimize chat.]]). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:15, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
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