Editing Talk:Collaborators/Archive 1

==Dark==
I get a feeling this'll be Season 3's "Flesh and Bone." --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:21, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

That or a season 3 spin on [[Litmus]]. Either way, I'm looking forward to see what becomes of Jammer and Gaeta. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 15:27, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

==Screenshots==
Anyone else check out the screenshots on the Sci Fi site? Did you notice that priest who is swearing in Roslin? He looks like the Lumberg character from the movie "Office Space." --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 00:17, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:The actor you note from ''OfficeSpace'' is Gary Cole. The priest shown is not Cole. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:52, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::Are there any screenshots available of that close shot of the survivor list, with the names? I meant to tape the episode but (dang it) missed it. Mainly I'm just after the names. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 06:20, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

== Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==

Ok... this is my idea. Three hours before the episode, we sysop protect this page. Once the episode is  aired/finshed on it's first round 9pm to 10pm, we unlock it. What this will do is keep the server queries down on the server before the mad rush. Talking with steelviper about this, he suggested we have three sub-pages off the episode guide, Summary, Questions, and Anylsis for people to work on during the episode. This will keep the conflicts down and the server in tip top shape. Before we unlock the main episode page.... we as sysops (Mop boys) would transfer the information from these pages to the guide and then kill the subpages. We need a {{tl|currently airing}} template to help with the links, but it be a start to keeping the server smooth after an episode airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:31, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Part of me worries about locking users out, especially while the episode is airing. That might be confusing, and that's bound to be a peak time of contribution. On the other hand, if users can't access the page to begin with, then we're not in any better a position. If having subpages allows people to continue to contribute real-time with the episode, and with transclusions allowing the changes to be visible real-time, it might be a way to allow people the thrill of striking while the iron is hot without crushing the server. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Clues ==
I didn't tape the episode, but maybe someone who did might be able to tell...what rank insignia was Lee wearing when he met his father?  --[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 02:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT)Dallan007
:It's obscured by a fold in Lee's uniform for a lot of the scene (he should really get on to his tailor about bringing in his uniform, since he's losing weight), but it '''looks''' like Commander rank insignia. It's definitely no less than Colonel (the circle in the centre is quite distinct). --[[User:Barry|Barry]] 05:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree, it definitely appears to be a Commander's insignia. There's a distinct section ''behind'' the diamond with the colonial seal, ie the silver plate we see on the Commander pin. It'd help if someone has any relatively high-res caps, all I can get are 640x352 --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::: There hasnt been a hi-def airing yet so thats the best we got atm :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 05:40, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Resurrection ship reappears ==

Did anyone else notice that in at least one of the establishing shots of the Cylon fleet we see a resurrection ship, in addition to the basestars?

Also note the veritable swarms of raiders...

It looks like the Cylons have been busy cranking out new troops for a return to heavy battle. {{unsigned|Spidey3}}

::And since they have a new Resurrection Ship, coupled with the fact that the Cylons are again discriminating, for want of a better phrase, against humans... I'd say our rag-tag fleet has something to worry about ;) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:50, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I count 5 Basestars and 1 Resurrection ship. Quite a force. I bet Lee Adama will be wishing he didn't use the Pegasus to play bumper cars when he sees that fleet..... -- [[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:04, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I counted 6 Basestars surrounding the Resurrection Ship... [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 19:01, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

==The "third" time Six has used the "Don't make me angry, Gaius" threat==

Isn't it the second? I don't remember another one between Litmus and Collaborators. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:12, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: I think you may be right... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:08, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:: I don't remember anything after Litmus either. Furthermore, it's Adama who uses this phrase in Collaborators, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 23:34, 29 October 2006 (CST)

==Nth Exodus==
I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik|Larrik]]
::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)

: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==
I didn' think there was enough to pose this question on the article page so I'm posing it here:  Did anybody think that Zarek was honestly surprised by Roslin's offer?  As in, he probably was looking for something less than that or if he was after VP, he didn't think that she would offer it right away?  --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:09, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: We don't know what exacly Zarek's thinking, which is what makes him such a compelling character in the first place. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
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 :The actor you note from ''OfficeSpace'' is Gary Cole. The priest shown is not Cole. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:52, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
 ::Are there any screenshots available of that close shot of the survivor list, with the names? I meant to tape the episode but (dang it) missed it. Mainly I'm just after the names. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 06:20, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
-:Yeah, I know it's not Gary Cole but he looks an awful lot like him. I just thought it was a little funny. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)
-::Going to upload after we move servers. My connection is not stable and it might timeout. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 00:12, 31 October 2006 (CST)
-:He's also the very same priest who swore in Baltar. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:49, 31 October 2006 (CST)
 == Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==
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 Isn't it the second? I don't remember another one between Litmus and Collaborators. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:12, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 : I think you may be right... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:08, 29 October 2006 (CST)
-:: I don't remember anything like this after Litmus either. Furthermore, it's Adama who used this phrase in Collaborators, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 23:34, 29 October 2006 (CST)
+:: I don't remember anything after Litmus either. Furthermore, it's Adama who uses this phrase in Collaborators, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 23:34, 29 October 2006 (CST)
-::: OK, now the count is correct, but the whole sentence still isn't. Like I wrote before, it's Adama who used this phrase the second time, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 11:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
-:::: You are more than welcome to edit it. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:46, 30 October 2006 (CST)
 ==Nth Exodus==
 I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
 :''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
-However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
+However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 ::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 :::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik|Larrik]]
-::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)
+::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 : I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)
-::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
-:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)
-:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)
-:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
-::::Also consider this... when the humans left Kobal millenia ago, it could have been termed the 'diaspora' (i.e. the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland according to Merriam-Webster).  'Exodus' is defined as a mass migration from the same resource, sure the same thing basically but I think 'diaspora' suits the departure from Kobol more, whereas 'exodus' from Caprica and New Caprica is appropriate for the situation.  Oh the fun of semantics... [[User:Avidicus|Avidicus]] 03:36, 31 October 2006 (CST)
-:::Well, Peter, that depends—if Christ were to return to Earth, we would call it the "second coming", and if one year later Christ were to return again, we would call it the "third coming". So it's not as cut and dried as you make it seem. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)
 == Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==
 I didn' think there was enough to pose this question on the article page so I'm posing it here:  Did anybody think that Zarek was honestly surprised by Roslin's offer?  As in, he probably was looking for something less than that or if he was after VP, he didn't think that she would offer it right away?  --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:09, 29 October 2006 (CST)
 : We don't know what exacly Zarek's thinking, which is what makes him such a compelling character in the first place. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
-::But judging his facial expression and body language, I thought he was surprised too. I agree that he would have been happy with a position even as a highranking advisor, but didn't reckon to be offered the VP slot --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)
-==Chadwick the collaborator==
-Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)
-:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)
-:The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported to his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
-::I was right - survivor count in "Torn" shows only 13 people less, because Chadwick was executed before Apollo's report. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 00:08, 8 November 2006 (CST)