Editing Talk:Cloud 9/Archive 1

Should the tense of the article be changed to past, now that the Cloud 9 has been destroyed? --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 11:24, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:Probably not. Even though WE all know that it's gone, it's still there for seasons 1 and 2 (well, most of 2 anyway...). Thus anybody reading about it from a season 1 or earlier 2 standpoint would still see it as existing. I think that's the reasoning behind episodic info being present tense. As for tense about the stuff that happened in the year gap on New Caprica... I assume present tense would be best just to avoid a situation where you're switching back and forth between past and present tense along the same timeline. If there's more discussion of this we might take it over to S&C. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::In the past, we've used past tense for events that ocurred prior to any filmed episode (Anne and William Adama married twenty years prior to the attack; Ellen Tigh was discovered three weeks prior to "TIgh Me Up, Tigh Me Down"), and present tense for events that actually take place during episodes. I'm somewhat partial to that convention, which would put the events of the one-year-gap in the past tense, but I agree that it could be confusing. I'd like to hear others' thoughts. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:23, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:::Personally, I believe that anything before the Miniseries should be spoken of in the past tense. Everything else should be present tense. At least that's what I'm partial to myself when I edit/write. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:51, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::::I already forsee many problems with tense that are going to crop up thanks to the gap. We can't say "if we saw it on screen as it happened, its present, but if we saw it in a flashback, its past" any more, because that means, for example, the events of day 200 are in present tense, but the events of day 400 are past tense. While changing tenses to be relative to individual articles would make the articles clearer, having tense be relative to the Miniseries is easier to maintain on a large scale. It is also the status quo, and would be a pain to change every article. 
::::If we think this issue is serious enough, we should put it somewhere where more people will see it and we will be able to gather ideas. If we decide we need a better solution, I am sure that someone would come up with it. I find that theres always a solution to most problems if you look hard enough and ask a lot of people. Regardless, the present tense solution does work for now, until we start getting into flashbacks - which, I gather will be frequent in the first few episodes of season 3. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 23:05, 12 March 2006 (CST)

==Deaths==
I've been trying to work out how many people died when the Cloud Nine was destroyed. Minus the total number of deaths given for the occupation of New Caprica (given during Baltar's trial in ''Crossroads, Part 1'') from the difference in population count between the start of ''LDYB Part 2'' and ''Collaborators'' gives a 2,918-person difference, the majority of whom I'm assuming died when the C9 exploded. However, you also have to factor in all the births and deaths during the year on New Caprica, minus the Marines who died in the rescue mission to Caprica and then plus Anders and his resistance fighters. It's difficult to come to any final figure other than it was in the high 2,000s.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 23:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I always wondered the same thing as well. Although it functioned as a hotel for military personal on rotation and civilians alike, there were people living there as an actual home-ship. With that being said, it can only be assumed that at least, if not more than, 700 or more people perished on that ship alone given it's size and interior configuration. -racetrack
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 Should the tense of the article be changed to past, now that the Cloud 9 has been destroyed? --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 11:24, 12 March 2006 (CST)
 :Probably not. Even though WE all know that it's gone, it's still there for seasons 1 and 2 (well, most of 2 anyway...). Thus anybody reading about it from a season 1 or earlier 2 standpoint would still see it as existing. I think that's the reasoning behind episodic info being present tense. As for tense about the stuff that happened in the year gap on New Caprica... I assume present tense would be best just to avoid a situation where you're switching back and forth between past and present tense along the same timeline. If there's more discussion of this we might take it over to S&C. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)
-::In the past, we've used past tense for events that ocurred prior to any filmed episode (Anne and William Adama married twenty years prior to the attack; Ellen Tigh was discovered three weeks prior to "TIgh Me Up, Tigh Me Down"), and present tense for events that actually take place during episodes. I'm somewhat partial to that convention, which would put the events of the one-year-gap in the past tense, but I agree that it could be confusing. I'd like to hear others' thoughts. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:23, 12 March 2006 (CST)
+::In the past, we've used past tense for events that ocurred prior to any filmed episode (Anne and William Adama married twenty years prior to the attack; Ellen Tigh was discovered three weeks prior to "TIgh Me Up, Tigh Me Down"), and present tense for events that actually take place during episodes. I'm somewhat partial to that convention, which would put the events of the one-year-gap in the past tense, but I agree that it could be confusing. I'd like to hear others' thoughts. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:23, 12 March 2006 (CST)
 :::Personally, I believe that anything before the Miniseries should be spoken of in the past tense. Everything else should be present tense. At least that's what I'm partial to myself when I edit/write. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:51, 12 March 2006 (CST)
 ::::I already forsee many problems with tense that are going to crop up thanks to the gap. We can't say "if we saw it on screen as it happened, its present, but if we saw it in a flashback, its past" any more, because that means, for example, the events of day 200 are in present tense, but the events of day 400 are past tense. While changing tenses to be relative to individual articles would make the articles clearer, having tense be relative to the Miniseries is easier to maintain on a large scale. It is also the status quo, and would be a pain to change every article.
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 I always wondered the same thing as well. Although it functioned as a hotel for military personal on rotation and civilians alike, there were people living there as an actual home-ship. With that being said, it can only be assumed that at least, if not more than, 700 or more people perished on that ship alone given it's size and interior configuration. -racetrack
-== Food ==
-Did anyone else find it weird that they had this massive simulated garden yet did not use it to grow crops or other food. They also went on about how they were rationing food and had to eat algae at one point (yes I know it was destroyed before that). Was there a specific reason for this? I hardly think a nice meeting place for political functions takes precedence over food. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 15:52, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
-: Cloud 9 was destroyed by [[Gina Inviere]] (after discovering [[New Caprica]]), and that was a good year or so before the algae issue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:56, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
-::Yea I mentioned that.... But before that there was no reason. [[User:Escyos|Escyos]] 16:00, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
-::: You realize that Cloud 9 was destroyed within 1 year of the exodus, right? Also, it takes time to grow crops, and certain crops can only grow in certain environments. Secondly, there are a variety of logistical and supply issues. (Seeds, fertilizers, farming equipment, and so forth.) Also, Cloud 9's garden wasn't exactly that large, either. In any event, food really didn't become a problem until after the exodus from New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:05, 1 April 2012 (EDT)