Editing Talk:Blood and Chrome/Archive 1

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== Title ==

Is there any particular reason the title is "Blood and Chrome" with "Blood & Chrome" as a redirect? All press information has used "Blood & Chrome" as the spelling, which says to me that it should be the other way around. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

: The ampersand is a bit of a technical issue in the URL, which is why we're using "Blood and Chrome" for right now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 18:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:: Ah. I hope that it gets fixed. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 05:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

== Placeholder image? ==

Until the powers that be release a title card or promotional photo for ''Blood and Chrome'', could we use the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] closeup as a placeholder?  The image seems to be generic enough to represent any Cylon War-era story.  More importantly, we need something for the "Next Aired Episode" box on the main page.  -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 12:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

: That works. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 13:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

:: Actually, having thought about it, it would probably suit us to use one of the production art images that are available online. Even if they're just rough art, it's more representative of the production than the Cylon Centurion from "Razor." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

:::this might be a little silly, but i did a quick logo for the show, that we could possibly use, obviously it's not offiicial. [[User:Pst001|Pst001]] 03:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp185/i_em_no_cylon/BloodChromelogo1.jpg

:::: We use officially released photography and art whenever possible. Since the concept art is released, let's choose one of those images and use that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 13:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Tag for Blood & Chrome ==

We don't have a tag for Blood & Chrome, yet, do we? What's it gonna be? BAC? -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 17:32, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
: I'm thinking either BC or BAC. More suggestions and discussion are welcome. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:: BC sounds to me more like a calendric acronym, whereas BAC sounds more fannish. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:22, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::B&C? [[User:Pst001|Pst001]]
::: Can't really use the ampersand. I'm leaning toward BAC.  -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:59, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
::::I'm also cool with BAC (to the Future).--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::BAC, It stays consistant with the other 3 letter tags-- [[User:Quig|Quig]] 22:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::So BAC it is? -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 23:46, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, BAC it is. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Does the ampersand issue still arise if you use the code (I forget what it is, I think it's the HTML code) for it? Just curious... I haven't heard of wiki's having issues with this (but then you all may be doing something different here).

==Character Names==
I am not exactly sure which source was used (to list names on this wiki), but I read an article a few minutes ago, and it said that [[Lili Bordan]]'s character is ''Beka'' Kelly (As opposed to Becca).  While I know that wiki's tend to have users "be bold" I thought I would mention this in case "Becca" was confirmed through a more official source. --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 20:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== Summary ==

Will you make a new page called "Blood and Chrome (Pilot)" or simply write the plot into the Plot area of this page? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 16:17, 20 December 2012 (EST)

: I guess the best way to do it would be, to rename the current page at [[Blood and Chrome]] to [[Blood and Chrome (series)]]. And have a new page for the pilot at [[Blood and Chrome (pilot)]]. -- [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] <sup>[[User talk:CylonU87|I don't feel like a copy.]]</sup> 00:33, 21 December 2012 (EST)
:: Actually, it's not a series yet. For now, it's more like ''[[Razor]]''; a webseries, and a soon-to-come TV-movie. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 01:23, 21 December 2012 (EST)
::: You could keep it as one entire page, since it hasn't gone to series. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:51, 21 December 2012 (EST)

:::: is there a chance, that it will go to series? --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 13:14, 21 December 2012 (EST)

:::: It's up in the air. For now, let's work on the present fact that that this is the only thing we see from B&C, and act accordingly. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 13:26, 21 December 2012 (EST)

::: And what about a page called "Blood and Chrome (Movie)"? If we put all infos (Summary, Notes, Analysis, Questions etc) in this page it maybe becomes confused. --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 14:31, 21 December 2012 (EST)

:::: Why would it be confusing?  It probably wouldn't be much longer than "[[The Plan]]" or "Razor" once it's finished, since the total run time is about the same as those movies.  Besides, a good deal of the production history information on the page was added piece by piece over the nearly two years, with little attention given to organizing or prioritizing or consolidating it, so it's a bit of a mess now.  I'm sure that once it's cleaned up, though, it will be noticeably shorter. -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 19:05, 21 December 2012 (EST)

::::: I agree. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:32, 21 December 2012 (EST)

:::::: I do agree too. I think, as BlueResistance said earlier, we just have to keep and clean this page. And if, I said if, there is a TV series, to create a BAC (pilot) page in which we put the plot, and we rename this one with adding "(series)". --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 02:07, 22 December 2012 (EST)

:::::::Ok when we rearrange the Themes to:1 Overview 2 Summary 3 other stuff... it will be good and the important things for the reader (the Plot) will be on the top of the page). One more thing: "Razor" and "The plan" uses  "Episode Data" and this Page uses "Series Data". Shall we change this for now? And where would you list this movie in the "Template:Episode list"? to "DVD Movies and Features" or to "Webisodes" (for now it seems to be both...) --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 04:23, 22 December 2012 (EST)

:::::::: It should use the Episode Data template, for now. It's more of a DVD movie than it is a webisode, so it should be put under that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:45, 22 December 2012 (EST)

== Series Continuity ==

I  don't know about anyone else, but I am seeing some major continuity gaps between B&C and the rest of TRS continuity. Is B&C separate, or part of the same continuity line? By the way, I am not just talking about different actors. For example, in the Miniseries, they say that Adama flew a Mark II Viper, but in B&C he flew a Mark III. Anyone else seeing these, or is it just me? {{unsigned|Litgeek306}}

: No more disconnected than the Reimagined Series (or even the sub-par ''Caprica'') itself was. Actually, B&C better in some ways when it comes to logic and continuity. As for the Mark II, he would fly that later on. Like any pilot worth his weight in gold, he would pilot multiple ships... and given how badly he destroys pretty much every ship he flies, it's no wonder that he would be given an older Viper. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:55, 23 December 2012 (EST)

::The question I have is that Adama takes out several Cylons and Raiders in this series, but in the ''Razor'' flashbacks, which take place a few years later, he says he's never flown a combat mission. Huh? —[[User:Josiah Rowe|Josiah Rowe]] 01:27, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

:: Yes! Thank you! I'm not the only one who picked up on this stuff. It's almost as if B&C is a giant retcon of the Razor Flashbacks. Which is kinda crappy, IMO. - [[user:Frylock86|Frylock]] 07:02, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

:::Since the film is set two years into the war there is plenty of time to sort out the Mk II(I) problem. It is likely that the Mk III is largely withdrawn from service due to it being more advanced then the Mk II and thus vulnerable to a large Cylon offensive that takes advantage of growing Colonial over-confidence in how secure their computer systems are (this ties into a couple comments Adama made such as during the mini-series when he says no to a network). As for the Razor flash-backs; it only contradicts the first webisode (possibly the second). However, that was not included in the film (nor the extended version), and since it contradicted comments Adama had made implying/saying that he had extensive combat experience in the war in the series proper it makes scene that they would discount it. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 11:18, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

:::::The film is set 10 years into the War. Two years before the Armistice. - [[User:Frylock86|Frylock]] 06:54PM, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

::::::Oops! I knew that, twas just a typo. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx]] 20:25, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

:::: The reverse of this discussion is true: The "Razor Flashbacks" are the offender here, as it was largely implied (and stated outright at various points in the series) that Adama did serve during the last years of the war; the fact that Tyrol and his deck gang were able to recover and restore a Viper that (if you believe the "Razor Flashbacks") was basically destroyed into various pieces of unrecoverable scrap is proof of that. B&C simply establishes that Adama was a pilot during the war who had various missions under his belt and, as Phalanx-a-pedian rightfully points out, the statements made by Adama during the flashbacks were not included in either the uncut version or the TV version of "Razor," and were offered separately more as footnotes. (Also, as they are more "Flashbacks" where Adama recounts his experience, you can allow for the inconsistencies in his memory.)  -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:54, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

::::: I think we should probably just treat the Razor Flashbacks (well, episodes 1 and 2, which didn't make it into the movie) like any other deleted scene, with the "canon until contradicted" rule-of-thumb. Like Joe and Phalanx say, there's a lot that didn't make sense even when they were new, even beyond Adama only flying one combat mission in the entire war. The thing I'm getting at is there are some articles that insist on shoehorning every detail of them into continuity (the Galactica and Raptor articles are the big offenders, insisting that they both got their BSG-era configuration by the last day of the war and then remained unchanged for the next 40 years), even though those are mostly just consequences of showing the Cylon War as a brief sidebar to a modern story and not as a feature that could afford to design retro-Raptors and redress the hangar set. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 16:38, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

== Great Article on VFX ==

This article is very good at revealing what it took to get B&C to production, and dispels that $2 million budget rumor — it was more than that: http://www.fxguide.com/featured/blood-chrome-a-possible-vfx-future/ -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:08, 2 January 2013 (EST)
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 This article is very good at revealing what it took to get B&C to production, and dispels that $2 million budget rumor — it was more than that: http://www.fxguide.com/featured/blood-chrome-a-possible-vfx-future/ -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:08, 2 January 2013 (EST)
-== Summary (taken from Wikipedia) ==
-[Summary purged by Joe B. as it is a copyright violation from Wikipedia, which does not share the same licensing schema as BSGW. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:29, 1 July 2013 (EDT)]
-:Enabran, why did you put this here? -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 14:03, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
-:: Because there are parts of the story missing and I do not have the time to edit and interlink this text here. My working station is the german Wiki. But I think it is a good way for you to start editing it from here and put it on the mainpage later when all work is done. -- [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 14:45, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
-:::No, this really isn't such a good way to go about it, since your reason for doing this isn't immediately obvious.  Besides, someone might just copy and paste the unedited Wikipedia text directly onto the main page without rewriting it for our wiki.  If you want to recruit help in writing a summary, then you should probably do it in a more direct way--put out an announcement.  Otherwise, you should wait for another user to see the missing summary and be interested enough in writing it on her/his own, or you can do it yourself later in the future when you have more time.  Believe me, if it's empty for a while longer, it won't be a big deal, so it can wait.  Summaries for many ''Caprica'' episodes have been neglected for a longer time (since October-November 2010) than the ''Blood and Chrome'' summary (since December 2012). -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 15:54, 29 June 2013 (EDT)
-FYI: I've purged the copy and paste copyright violation referred to above. While its placement was well intentioned by Enabran, we can't have that here for the reason of licensing disparities between us and Wikipedia.. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:29, 1 July 2013 (EDT)
-== Joseph Falsetti as Derek Shelby (uncredited) ==
-I found this credit on IMDb, but the only thing backing it up are a bunch of copy-and-paste sites. I can't say I recall the name of the character anywhere, so I could be wrong. However, they also list [[Allison Warnyca]] reprising her role as [[Jaycie McGavin]], which I'm confident is nowhere in the film, so it doesn't look to stand on good reliability. Although it's worth noting that this guy's filmography has a quite a few other uncredited part. So, can anyway confirm or deny this? -- [[User:Mars|Mars]] 04:01, 11 April 2015 (EDT)