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'''Callis''': That's very nice to know, thank you. | '''Callis''': That's very nice to know, thank you. | ||
'''Penikett''': James and I did | '''Penikett''': James and I did DragonCon and you should have seen, he was, I mean out of the two of us people were like [[Galen Tyrol|Chief]] [Aaron Douglas], Helo, Chief, Helo, they weren't even recognizing him. So he had this baseball cap on and this big ass beard- | ||
'''Mrs. Ron''': -His disguise. | '''Mrs. Ron''': -His disguise. | ||
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'''Bamber''': -Lose your temper! | '''Bamber''': -Lose your temper! | ||
'''Callis''': That final note is true because, like, there's all this stuff about, when you do the thing that is like, you know, as you would be, I've seen these thing like people with hypothermia and like they're waiting for the rescue, apparently what happens in, like, | '''Callis''': That final note is true because, like, there's all this stuff about, when you do the thing that is like, you know, as you would be, I've seen these thing like people with hypothermia and like they're waiting for the rescue, apparently what happens in, like, [unintelligible] is like you slow down- | ||
'''Everyone''': (laughs) | '''Everyone''': (laughs) | ||
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'''Crosstalk''' | '''Crosstalk''' | ||
'''Callis''': ...So whenever you're watching | '''Callis''': ...So whenever you're watching [unintelligible] you're like "Get the thing! Get the thing!" it's like "God, you're speaking quickly for someone who's about to drop dead." | ||
'''Mrs. Ron''': (laughs) - As your heart is slowing down- | '''Mrs. Ron''': (laughs) - As your heart is slowing down- | ||
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'''RDM''': The point of this was- | '''RDM''': The point of this was- | ||
'''Callis''': -This was to say that we shot this scene again, and we shot the scene on | '''Callis''': -This was to say that we shot this scene again, and we shot the scene on [[Colonial One]], and it was the same dialog and it was basically a bit where Number Six say to Gaius, she's like "Do you want children Gaius?" - | ||
'''RDM''': -Oh yeah! Did we cut that? | '''RDM''': -Oh yeah! Did we cut that? | ||
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'''Callis''': -It was so real, and it took away, or at least it grounded or galvanized me away from the explosions, from being in love with a robot, from being, you know, in an alter-reality where spaceships run and you're on board one, this thing, a basic thing about a man who was like "I love playing around and the women, everything, do I want children? Forget it already!" and was like, that, that took me somewhere, it was a great line to kind of, to go on I think in that sense I think I found it pretty quickly, and I think that I found it- | '''Callis''': -It was so real, and it took away, or at least it grounded or galvanized me away from the explosions, from being in love with a robot, from being, you know, in an alter-reality where spaceships run and you're on board one, this thing, a basic thing about a man who was like "I love playing around and the women, everything, do I want children? Forget it already!" and was like, that, that took me somewhere, it was a great line to kind of, to go on I think in that sense I think I found it pretty quickly, and I think that I found it- | ||
'''RDM''': -Moreso than the | '''RDM''': -Moreso than the Minisereis? | ||
'''Callis''': Miniseries, I genuinely had a bit of a problem with- | '''Callis''': Miniseries, I genuinely had a bit of a problem with- | ||
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'''RDM''': Oh, I remember this. | '''RDM''': Oh, I remember this. | ||
'''Callis''': And I was like forgot I'm a scientist and I've like been going out with this woman for two years and I don't know | '''Callis''': And I was like forgot I'm a scientist and I've like been going out with this woman for two years and I don't know here name? | ||
'''RDM''': Well I was working on '' | '''RDM''': Well I was working on ''Carnivale'', but this question got back to me- | ||
'''Callis''': Okay, so like my question is- | '''Callis''': Okay, so like my question is- | ||
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'''Crosstalk''' | '''Crosstalk''' | ||
'''Callis''': -There was a great | '''Callis''': -There was a great [unintelligible] where Rymer was like "actually James, the whole thing is, it's one of those things that you're this guy, you've got this beautiful lady, she likes you and like at the introduction you just missed her name, " (laughs) "and you've never asked her." | ||
'''Bamber''': And I've never been able to get it! | '''Bamber''': And I've never been able to get it! | ||
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'''Callis''': -It's so awful, that you don't know! (laughs) | '''Callis''': -It's so awful, that you don't know! (laughs) | ||
'''RDM''': It was a '' | '''RDM''': It was a ''Seinfeild'' moment, and that's why I really liked it, I had the same, it essentially the same- | ||
'''Callis''': It's like you never over two years- | '''Callis''': It's like you never over two years- | ||
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'''Peniket''': -Because he didn't care enough! | '''Peniket''': -Because he didn't care enough! | ||
'''RDM''': -He'd have known at some point, my take, here, seriously, my take is Gaius Baltar at some point | '''RDM''': -He'd have known at some point, my take, here, seriously, my take is Gaius Baltar at some point realised, at some point Gaius Baltar realised that he did not know the name of Number Six- | ||
'''Callis''': Yes. | '''Callis''': Yes. | ||
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'''RDM''': -Yes- | '''RDM''': -Yes- | ||
'''Callis''': -And I imagine that for any person sitting in a room like we are now, somebody in the group turns around and goes "heh, guess what, you know? You thought that I was from | '''Callis''': -And I imagine that for any person sitting in a room like we are now, somebody in the group turns around and goes "heh, guess what, you know? You thought that I was from Orange County, BUT!"- | ||
'''Sheppard''': -My friends- | '''Sheppard''': -My friends- | ||
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'''Crosstalk''' | '''Crosstalk''' | ||
'''Callis''': There were things, there were things to get over and surmount, and I remember one of the things at the end was this thing about looking at the, looking at the screens as the world blew up and it went | '''Callis''': There were things, there were things to get over and surmount, and I remember one of the things at the end was this thing about looking at the, looking at the screens as the world blew up and it went breserk- | ||
'''RDM''': Yeah, yeah- | '''RDM''': Yeah, yeah- | ||
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'''Bamber''': -Yeah- | '''Bamber''': -Yeah- | ||
'''RDM''': -Like less than 10%. And I felt like "you know what, okay fine," those people will be in for a big fucking shock | '''RDM''': -Like less than 10%. And I felt like "you know what, okay fine," those people will be in for a big fucking shock [unintelligible]- | ||
'''Sheppard''': (laughs) | '''Sheppard''': (laughs) | ||
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'''RDM''': -You feel this sense of doom impinging on the characters and eventually there's a payoff to that, and I just felt that, that's a really, that's how you structure it- | '''RDM''': -You feel this sense of doom impinging on the characters and eventually there's a payoff to that, and I just felt that, that's a really, that's how you structure it- | ||
'''Bamber''': -But it's | '''Bamber''': -But it's [unintelligible] very useful, because my mind is always thrown back to those first 45 minutes, because in everything that we do, every character on the show is always remembering what life was like- | ||
'''RDM''': -Yeah- | '''RDM''': -Yeah- | ||
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'''RDM''': -When life completely changed irrevocably, that okay, who were they for that one second? | '''RDM''': -When life completely changed irrevocably, that okay, who were they for that one second? | ||
'''Bamber''': Yeah, I think | '''Bamber''': Yeah, I think [unintelligible]. | ||
'''Callis''': But, can I just say the shot that really sold the whole that, and it's a strange, the shot that sold the whole miniseries to me was [[Mary McDonnell|Mary]] [McDonnell] finding out that she, [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] has the cancer, and in that room in this glass room in the day time, suddenly I looked up- | '''Callis''': But, can I just say the shot that really sold the whole that, and it's a strange, the shot that sold the whole miniseries to me was [[Mary McDonnell|Mary]] [McDonnell] finding out that she, [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] has the cancer, and in that room in this glass room in the day time, suddenly I looked up- | ||
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'''Mrs. Ron''': -Like how we see police helicopters!- | '''Mrs. Ron''': -Like how we see police helicopters!- | ||
'''Callis''': - | '''Callis''': -[unintelligible] disaster that happened to her person, you know I was so involved in that and the last thing I was looking for were like beautiful things rolling through the sky, and there was this thing about in that way it was kind of like, it's all so beautiful, the glass and the electricity and everything... It's going to be a disaster- | ||
'''RDM''': -That is all- | '''RDM''': -That is all- | ||
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'''Callis''': -You've made it so, so pretty and so lovely, what- | '''Callis''': -You've made it so, so pretty and so lovely, what- | ||
'''RDM''': -That is entirely Michael Rymer, that, that's re-, that's not in the script and it wasn't the way I visualised it, they told me about it, is Michael wanted to do this and I was like intrigued by it and I, but again I was producing '' | '''RDM''': -That is entirely Michael Rymer, that, that's re-, that's not in the script and it wasn't the way I visualised it, they told me about it, is Michael wanted to do this and I was like intrigued by it and I, but again I was producing ''Carneval'', and I said "oh yeah, sounds, sounds great, okay." | ||
'''Callis''': Okay. | '''Callis''': Okay. | ||
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'''RDM''': -It's one of the defining images of our back story, when I think about Caprica- | '''RDM''': -It's one of the defining images of our back story, when I think about Caprica- | ||
'''Penikett''': -Beautiful | '''Penikett''': -Beautiful [unintelligible]- | ||
'''RDM''': -Or anything about these people before the attack, the image of Laura sitting in that big space with the ships going over is the one thing that I think of. | '''RDM''': -Or anything about these people before the attack, the image of Laura sitting in that big space with the ships going over is the one thing that I think of. | ||
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'''Sheppard''': -Amazing- | '''Sheppard''': -Amazing- | ||
'''RDM''': -Of anything else, I always think of | '''RDM''': -Of anything else, I always think of [unintelligible]- | ||
'''Sheppard''': -I remember it vividly, it's a very poignant piece- Caprica- | '''Sheppard''': -I remember it vividly, it's a very poignant piece- Caprica- | ||
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'''RDM''': Any category, in any category, just what would you change about the show? | '''RDM''': Any category, in any category, just what would you change about the show? | ||
'''Mrs. Ron''': - | '''Mrs. Ron''': -Being fat- | ||
'''Bamber''': -No, I love being fat, that was- | '''Bamber''': -No, I love being fat, that was- | ||
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'''Callis''': I think that- | '''Callis''': I think that- | ||
'''RDM''': -When you're doing '' | '''RDM''': -When you're doing ''Star Trek''’s and you're doing these whole space operas, when you're doing shows that have, or an ''Alias'' or something that has an outside sort of organization that you're struggling against and there's a conflict- | ||
'''Bamber''': -Don't you think that- | '''Bamber''': -Don't you think that- | ||
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'''RDM''': But you can't resist going back to that cookie jar. And eventually what happens is, the further you get into an episodic television series like this -- | '''RDM''': But you can't resist going back to that cookie jar. And eventually what happens is, the further you get into an episodic television series like this -- | ||
now we're in the third -- 3 seasons under our belt, plus the miniseries; that's a lot of hours -- now -- at a certain level you just start going, well, I just want to know more about the Cylons at this point. I mean | now we're in the third -- 3 seasons under our belt, plus the miniseries; that's a lot of hours -- now -- at a certain level you just start going, well, I just want to know more about the Cylons at this point. I mean J---s, how much more am I going to write about, you know, Laura and Tori and Tigh, without doing something about, well, J---s, who's Cavil? There's a character that comes aboard the Galactica, and suddenly I'm fascinated with who Cavil is. As a writer and as a viewer, I want to know, the atheist Cylon? Tell me more about that. And we start just opening up that world-- but to your point, I don't know if ultimately, if that doesn't undercut the series and demystify what drew you to it initially. | ||
'''Callis''': I think it's a gutsy move. And reading some people who, like, who, whatever on the internet, people who are writing in -- that -- what is to be said of, like, you know, hey, listen, this is the gimmick: we never meet them. That's going to get old as well. | '''Callis''': I think it's a gutsy move. And reading some people who, like, who, whatever on the internet, people who are writing in -- that -- what is to be said of, like, you know, hey, listen, this is the gimmick: we never meet them. That's going to get old as well. | ||
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'''RDM''': We keep wanting to write... | '''RDM''': We keep wanting to write... | ||
'''Callis''': ...what you get is this thing about, "my | '''Callis''': ...what you get is this thing about, "my g-d, how do they..." | ||
You set up lots of questions to be answered again [to Terri: "yes, please"] for later on. | You set up lots of questions to be answered again [to Terri: "yes, please"] for later on. | ||
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'''RDM''': I know, it was you and like, babes... | '''RDM''': I know, it was you and like, babes... | ||
'''Callis''': And I was like, looking at all of them and I was like -- Yes, that was the moment. It was like, "D'Anna's about to kill you". It's not about her being, like, your buddy and her -- your -- friend. This is about, like, you know, double espionage. This is about thought crime. Say the wrong thing, think the wrong thing, and you're going to be boxed and that will be you forever. And, um, I suppose once -- when you've thought about the scary elements in between all of these, kind of, as I say, beautiful looking women, there was something that really kind of hinged... One of the lines I remember from that one is Grace throwing that thing across the room and going " | '''Callis''': And I was like, looking at all of them and I was like -- Yes, that was the moment. It was like, "D'Anna's about to kill you". It's not about her being, like, your buddy and her -- your -- friend. This is about, like, you know, double espionage. This is about thought crime. Say the wrong thing, think the wrong thing, and you're going to be boxed and that will be you forever. And, um, I suppose once -- when you've thought about the scary elements in between all of these, kind of, as I say, beautiful looking women, there was something that really kind of hinged... One of the lines I remember from that one is Grace throwing that thing across the room and going "lying, fracking machine". | ||
<crosstalk>: I love that scene. | <crosstalk>: I love that scene. | ||
'''Callis''': And that's kind of so -- I keep on bringing that up when we're doing this thing, I'm like, are the Cylons allowed to partake in our society on some level? Or is this thing about, we've already heard it from one of the Cylons themselves. They're a lying | '''Callis''': And that's kind of so -- I keep on bringing that up when we're doing this thing, I'm like, are the Cylons allowed to partake in our society on some level? Or is this thing about, we've already heard it from one of the Cylons themselves. They're a lying fracking machine. Can they ever be trusted to say, like the real thing or the thing that might help? | ||
'''RDM''': Here's a question from online from... | '''RDM''': Here's a question from online from... | ||
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