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#::{{Comment}} Last thing before I goto bed... I undeleted [[BSG Rap]] after seeing the rap song did have a source. Kinda like I know what everything is deleted because I have like a stupid memory process. But those other ones I can give my reasons why, but here I go. Starbuck's Raider - more in depth on the raider itself but had no "real history of even existing" according to RDM and we already have Heavy Raider article. Galaktika clearly falls under #8 (new #8) and [[BW:NOT]], [[BW:FAN]]. And finally, Culture in the Twelve Colonies (RDM), and reading the talk page I fully understand the reason why it was deleted. I have no idea why the talk page was missed, but it can stay for now. It's almost like a merge and why would we need to really keep something that we know the content was not removed, just move to a new location. So right now everything else it deleted. Now it took me five minutes to find everything int he undelete section and to read it. So it doesn't take one long to restore a page or read the reasons. And when even an admin sees a "new page" on the same subject and there was deleted content, it tells us there was deleted content and we should see that. Also removing these items makes the wiki look cleaner in my option. Showing what we deleted is a good thing, but we can tell if it's been recreated and take the needed actions to delete it again. 06:43, 22 April 2007 (CDT) | #::{{Comment}} Last thing before I goto bed... I undeleted [[BSG Rap]] after seeing the rap song did have a source. Kinda like I know what everything is deleted because I have like a stupid memory process. But those other ones I can give my reasons why, but here I go. Starbuck's Raider - more in depth on the raider itself but had no "real history of even existing" according to RDM and we already have Heavy Raider article. Galaktika clearly falls under #8 (new #8) and [[BW:NOT]], [[BW:FAN]]. And finally, Culture in the Twelve Colonies (RDM), and reading the talk page I fully understand the reason why it was deleted. I have no idea why the talk page was missed, but it can stay for now. It's almost like a merge and why would we need to really keep something that we know the content was not removed, just move to a new location. So right now everything else it deleted. Now it took me five minutes to find everything int he undelete section and to read it. So it doesn't take one long to restore a page or read the reasons. And when even an admin sees a "new page" on the same subject and there was deleted content, it tells us there was deleted content and we should see that. Also removing these items makes the wiki look cleaner in my option. Showing what we deleted is a good thing, but we can tell if it's been recreated and take the needed actions to delete it again. 06:43, 22 April 2007 (CDT) | ||
#::: {{comment}} I wasn't objecting to those deletions, nor did I ask you to provide reasons. Like I said before, I fully agree with those deletions; hell, I even participated in some of the discussions leading up to them. But Shane just proved my point: not everybody has a Shane-like memory, and the talk page for Culture gives a great deal of insight in the reasons for its deletions. Shane does seem to misunderstand some subtle points: | #::: {{comment}} I wasn't objecting to those deletions, nor did I ask you to provide reasons. Like I said before, I fully agree with those deletions; hell, I even participated in some of the discussions leading up to them. But Shane just proved my point: not everybody has a Shane-like memory, and the talk page for Culture gives a great deal of insight in the reasons for its deletions. Shane does seem to misunderstand some subtle points: | ||
#:::* We do '''not''' keep deleted content around. Rather, we only keep the talk pages, which accidentally happened to | #:::* We do '''not''' keep deleted content around. Rather, we only keep the talk pages, which accidentally happened to [[Talk:Culture in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)]]. As you said yourself, they're a valuable source of insight. If you're really worried about clutter, we could truncate the talk pages and remove everything except the deletion discussion itself. | ||
#:::* Not everybody checks BSWiki daily, or even weekly. I was lucky enough to be around at the time of the Culture discussion. If the creator were on a holiday, come back a week later and find both his article and the associated talk page deleted (deletion summary: "deleting per talk page"), he'll have no easy way of finding out what the [[frak]] was wrong with his article. This policy aims to keep the talk page so "latecomers" can object or at least get clarification. | #:::* Not everybody checks BSWiki daily, or even weekly. I was lucky enough to be around at the time of the Culture discussion. If the creator were on a holiday, come back a week later and find both his article and the associated talk page deleted (deletion summary: "deleting per talk page"), he'll have no easy way of finding out what the [[frak]] was wrong with his article. This policy aims to keep the talk page so "latecomers" can object or at least get clarification. | ||
#:::* Not everybody is an admin. Non-admins can't read or restore deleted pages, so they have to ask admins to do it for them. For that same reason, we have {{tl|delete}} and {{tl|move}}. | #:::* Not everybody is an admin. Non-admins can't read or restore deleted pages, so they have to ask admins to do it for them. For that same reason, we have {{tl|delete}} and {{tl|move}}. | ||