Editing Battlestar Wiki talk:Silly pages

I have to say that I find the idea of a formal policy on Silly Pages a little bit disagreeable. We already have a few generally agreed upon guidelines: Silly pages should be few in number, and funny. Anything else is up for grabs, and as for how we judge humor, I'm content with the [[Wikipedia:Potter Stewart|Stewart Test]] ("I know it when I see it"). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:38, 23 May 2006 (CDT)

:I agree with Peter.  We should only have had one or two of these and a policy just makes more.  Further, the idea of having a combined silly page with the real toaster article was a bad move.  I'm going to try something with [[Toaster]], I'll try it and we'll see how it works out...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:27, 23 May 2006 (CDT)

::You both say this is a "stupid" idea yet, the "'''[[Battlestar Wiki:Human Census Survey]]'''" page is never questioned. If you keep the silly pages in contect with Battlestar Galactica, I think it might have some merit for this Policy to voted on and to be approved of, or this might be "already" approved apon because the "'''[[Battlestar Wiki:Human Census Survey]]'''" page has been here for a while. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:48, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

:I generally had the same opinion as Peter until I realized that a place like this calls for structure. So, this policy proposal is a trial balloon. If we leave silly page generation in the "I don't know if its art, but I know what I like" stance as we have it now, it's left for POV (instead of established guidelines) on whether the page is funny or not, if the page is appropriate or not. A few ground rules allow us to say outright what cannot be a silly page topic but leave the rest of the work of maintaining such pages to the usual mechanisms. Else, it will appear that us veterans (a minority) are collectively speaking for the entire wiki in a sense. We can distill the whole policy to three or four things-- keep it funny, keep it relevant, and don't ridicule anyone. So if the pages exist, there has to be a reason and criteria for them as with all other pages. As an alternative, we should incorporate some language about this topic in an existing article, such as our policy on patent nonsense and related matter. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:13, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

::Your four points are good. Is there a reason we can't just list them and be done with it? The concision fairy would approve. As for POV issues, I think humor is inherently, and by necessity, a matter of opinion. What goes and stays is always going to be a judgment call, and inevitably, veteran users are going to have a little more weight. I don't see anything wrong with that, or any way around it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:58, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

:::That's fine. I wanted to have some level of control to these, but a little looseness is fine. I'll review and concise with your thoughts and others in mind. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:40, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
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-I have to say that I find the idea of a formal policy on Silly Pages a little bit disagreeable. We already have a few generally agreed upon guidelines: Silly pages should be few in number, and funny. Anything else is up for grabs, and as for how we judge humor, I'm content with the [[Wikipedia:Potter Stewart|Stewart Test]] ("I know it when I see it"). --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:38, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
+I have to say that I find the idea of a formal policy on Silly Pages a little bit disagreeable. We already have a few generally agreed upon guidelines: Silly pages should be few in number, and funny. Anything else is up for grabs, and as for how we judge humor, I'm content with the [[Wikipedia:Potter Stewart|Stewart Test]] ("I know it when I see it"). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:38, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
-:I agree with April.  We should only have had one or two of these and a policy just makes more.  Further, the idea of having a combined silly page with the real toaster article was a bad move.  I'm going to try something with [[Toaster]], I'll try it and we'll see how it works out...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:27, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
+:I agree with Peter.  We should only have had one or two of these and a policy just makes more.  Further, the idea of having a combined silly page with the real toaster article was a bad move.  I'm going to try something with [[Toaster]], I'll try it and we'll see how it works out...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:27, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
 ::You both say this is a "stupid" idea yet, the "'''[[Battlestar Wiki:Human Census Survey]]'''" page is never questioned. If you keep the silly pages in contect with Battlestar Galactica, I think it might have some merit for this Policy to voted on and to be approved of, or this might be "already" approved apon because the "'''[[Battlestar Wiki:Human Census Survey]]'''" page has been here for a while. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:48, 25 May 2006 (CDT)
-:I generally had the same opinion as April until I realized that a place like this calls for structure. So, this policy proposal is a trial balloon. If we leave silly page generation in the "I don't know if its art, but I know what I like" stance as we have it now, it's left for POV (instead of established guidelines) on whether the page is funny or not, if the page is appropriate or not. A few ground rules allow us to say outright what cannot be a silly page topic but leave the rest of the work of maintaining such pages to the usual mechanisms. Else, it will appear that us veterans (a minority) are collectively speaking for the entire wiki in a sense. We can distill the whole policy to three or four things-- keep it funny, keep it relevant, and don't ridicule anyone. So if the pages exist, there has to be a reason and criteria for them as with all other pages. As an alternative, we should incorporate some language about this topic in an existing article, such as our policy on patent nonsense and related matter. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:13, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
+:I generally had the same opinion as Peter until I realized that a place like this calls for structure. So, this policy proposal is a trial balloon. If we leave silly page generation in the "I don't know if its art, but I know what I like" stance as we have it now, it's left for POV (instead of established guidelines) on whether the page is funny or not, if the page is appropriate or not. A few ground rules allow us to say outright what cannot be a silly page topic but leave the rest of the work of maintaining such pages to the usual mechanisms. Else, it will appear that us veterans (a minority) are collectively speaking for the entire wiki in a sense. We can distill the whole policy to three or four things-- keep it funny, keep it relevant, and don't ridicule anyone. So if the pages exist, there has to be a reason and criteria for them as with all other pages. As an alternative, we should incorporate some language about this topic in an existing article, such as our policy on patent nonsense and related matter. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:13, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
-::Your four points are good. Is there a reason we can't just list them and be done with it? The concision fairy would approve. As for POV issues, I think humor is inherently, and by necessity, a matter of opinion. What goes and stays is always going to be a judgment call, and inevitably, veteran users are going to have a little more weight. I don't see anything wrong with that, or any way around it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:58, 25 May 2006 (CDT)
+::Your four points are good. Is there a reason we can't just list them and be done with it? The concision fairy would approve. As for POV issues, I think humor is inherently, and by necessity, a matter of opinion. What goes and stays is always going to be a judgment call, and inevitably, veteran users are going to have a little more weight. I don't see anything wrong with that, or any way around it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:58, 25 May 2006 (CDT)
 :::That's fine. I wanted to have some level of control to these, but a little looseness is fine. I'll review and concise with your thoughts and others in mind. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:40, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
-Added Caluse about [[BW:FA]] nomination. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 09:04, 21 February 2007 (CST)
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-# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{Support}}. Ah, yes, guess I'm the "last" of the Caprican aristocracy to vote... :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 17:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{Abstain}}. Automatic [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence|leave of absence]] due to inactivity.
-# [[User:Day|Day]] - {{Abstain}}. Automatic [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence|leave of absence]] due to inactivity.
-# [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] - {{Support}} --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:25, 26 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] - {{Support}} --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:20, 26 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] - {{Support}} --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:12, 21 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] - {{Support}} --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:22, 21 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:Shane|Shane]] - {{Support}} [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 09:04, 21 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] - {{Support}} per policy champion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:11, 21 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} Good summary. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:28, 21 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:Talos|Talos]] - {{Support}} It says what I want. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:54, 21 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] - {{Support}} [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 11:07, 21 February 2007 (CST)
-# [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] - {{Support}} - Well-written and covers all the bases. Alas for my hopes of FA status for [[New Caprican loco weed]], though. Ah well. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 19:26, 21 February 2007 (CST)