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*Note that this practice of single-inheritance only applies to categorie and subcategories. Individual articles may take categories from any point in the hierarchy, thus Tom Zarek could be People from Sagittaron, Quorum Delegates, etc.
*Note that this practice of single-inheritance only applies to categorie and subcategories. Individual articles may take categories from any point in the hierarchy, thus Tom Zarek could be People from Sagittaron, Quorum Delegates, etc.


Just some thoughts to get started. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:41, 28 December 2005 (EST)
Just some thoughts to get started. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:41, 28 December 2005 (EST)


:Seems logical enough. Organizational matters such as the categories are not my strong suit, but matching existing content to a new structure like this would be. So, for Cylons (RDM), how would we'd break down matters? Would it be similar to the following?
:Seems logical enough. Organizational matters such as the categories are not my strong suit, but matching existing content to a new structure like this would be. So, for Cylons (RDM), how would we'd break down matters? Would it be similar to the following?
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:--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:25, 28 December 2005 (EST)
:--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:25, 28 December 2005 (EST)


::Looks good to me, except "Cylon War" would probably be an article, not a category, filed under both Cylon History and Colonial History. Do you think that an article should belong to just its specific subcategory, or all the categories leading up from each terminal node? (ie. is Viper 7242 just in Category:Vipers, which is a child of Military Craft, which is a child of Colonial Craft, which is a child of Colonial Technology, or does it belong to all four?) I'd be in favor of the latter, so that the contents of each subcategory are a strict subset of its parent. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:25, 28 December 2005 (EST)
::Looks good to me, except "Cylon War" would probably be an article, not a category, filed under both Cylon History and Colonial History. Do you think that an article should belong to just its specific subcategory, or all the categories leading up from each terminal node? (ie. is Viper 7242 just in Category:Vipers, which is a child of Military Craft, which is a child of Colonial Craft, which is a child of Colonial Technology, or does it belong to all four?) I'd be in favor of the latter, so that the contents of each subcategory are a strict subset of its parent. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:25, 28 December 2005 (EST)


:::Another issue is that strict single-inheritance might not be very useful. For example, "Colonial Technology" would want to be a subcategory of both Technology and The Colonials, allowing the user the freedom to browse by either heading. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:22, 28 December 2005 (EST)
:::Another issue is that strict single-inheritance might not be very useful. For example, "Colonial Technology" would want to be a subcategory of both Technology and The Colonials, allowing the user the freedom to browse by either heading. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:22, 28 December 2005 (EST)


:I'd be curious to try to slice and dice the characters, categorizing them in such a way that you could browse by:
:I'd be curious to try to slice and dice the characters, categorizing them in such a way that you could browse by:
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::::*Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (Galactica Personel) (NCOs)
::::*Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (Galactica Personel) (NCOs)
::::*Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (NCOs) (Galactica Personel)
::::*Category:Characters (RDM) (Colonial Military) (NCOs) (Galactica Personel)
::::But I don't need to explain what that's ridiculous. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:54, 16 January 2006 (EST)
::::But I don't need to explain what that's ridiculous. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:54, 16 January 2006 (EST)


:::: Whew, Peter. Yeah. I was thinking that Main Characters (RDM) and Recurring Characters (RDM) would be subsets of would go under Characters (RDM), but not be divided by anything else... So Kara would belong to Main Characters (RDM), Viper Pilots (RDM), Galactica Personell (RDM), Colonial Military Personell (RDM), Officers (RDM) and Characters (RDM). I don't think I missed any. Is that as rediculous as Peter's assertion? I wish there was a way to get the intersections of categories... *sish* --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)
:::: Whew, Peter. Yeah. I was thinking that Main Characters (RDM) and Recurring Characters (RDM) would be subsets of would go under Characters (RDM), but not be divided by anything else... So Kara would belong to Main Characters (RDM), Viper Pilots (RDM), Galactica Personell (RDM), Colonial Military Personell (RDM), Officers (RDM) and Characters (RDM). I don't think I missed any. Is that as rediculous as Peter's assertion? I wish there was a way to get the intersections of categories... *sish* --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:39, 17 January 2006 (EST)
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==Category:Mentioned-Only==
==Category:Mentioned-Only==
I've been cruising through "Category:Characters", making sure they have all their appropriate continuity-specific subcategories (Characters (RDM), Mentioned-only (RDM), etc.) The thought occured to me that we have a better index of the characters never mentioned than we do the main characters. We've got the "Character Template" as a way of navigating them, but I was wondering if maybe there ought to be some other categories based on appearance frequency. For example, one-shot characters (TOS has tons of these) vs. recurring characters). It just felt odd that the "mentioned only" characters end up with more categories associated with them than the important ones. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:26, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
I've been cruising through "Category:Characters", making sure they have all their appropriate continuity-specific subcategories (Characters (RDM), Mentioned-only (RDM), etc.) The thought occured to me that we have a better index of the characters never mentioned than we do the main characters. We've got the "Character Template" as a way of navigating them, but I was wondering if maybe there ought to be some other categories based on appearance frequency. For example, one-shot characters (TOS has tons of these) vs. recurring characters). It just felt odd that the "mentioned only" characters end up with more categories associated with them than the important ones. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:26, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
: A very good idea. We could create [[:Category:One-Shot Characters (RDM)]] and [[:Category:Recurring Guest Characters (RDM)|Category:Recurring Characters (RDM)]], and their TOS equivalents as well. Anyone else have any thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:43, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
: A very good idea. We could create [[:Category:One-Shot Characters (RDM)]] and [[:Category:Recurring Characters (RDM)]], and their TOS equivalents as well. Anyone else have any thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:43, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
::Would those be subcats of Character, or separate? I think Mentioned-only is currently separate, but it may contain some ships, etc. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:46, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
::Would those be subcats of Character, or separate? I think Mentioned-only is currently separate, but it may contain some ships, etc. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:46, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Mentioned only i been marking for everything from ships to misc. items. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:49, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Mentioned only i been marking for everything from ships to misc. items. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:49, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
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*"On the fence"
*"On the fence"
** Sheba, who appeared in "The Living Legend" and was in pretty much every episode since then
** Sheba, who appeared in "The Living Legend" and was in pretty much every episode since then
** Athena, who's appearances and role were diminished by "Greetings From Earth"
** Athena, who's appearances and role were diminished by "Greetings from Earth"


Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:37, 27 November 2006 (CST)
Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:37, 27 November 2006 (CST)
:I guess for the same reason that Sheba and Athena are "On the fence" I was on the fence on Boxey and Muffit in that they all but disappear after "Fire in Space". However, they are sentimental fan favorites. I think for that reason we should go ahead and put Sheba and Athena on in. It's not like it's going to be an overwhelming list. I'll go ahead and switch those over, but am willing to consider debate.
:Your breakdown did give me an idea on the RDM stuff. I don't need to post the whole 199 character breadkdown on here to debate. Mostly we just need to separate the main characters from the recurring guests. The one-shots and mentioned-only's are pretty much gimmes. I'll start a header just under this one for RDM and start listing some main characters. RDM is definitely going to be trickier with all the backstory that some of the more supporting characters get. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:03, 28 November 2006 (CST)
:: Yeah, the trick is to separate the recurring characters from the main characters. I agree that Sheba and Athena should be included, simply due to the fact that the list isn't going to get longer, and that they were or became important characters in the stories. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:37, 28 November 2006 (CST)
=== Regarding the RDM characters ===
I'm thinking that it may actually be of benefit to be more inclusive than exclusive for the main character category. As long as the category is kept to a reasonable size, it could serve as a useful navigation tool without getting too overwhelming.
* Proposed main characters (in no particular order)
** William Adama
** Laura Roslin
** Lee Adama
** Kara Thrace
** Gaius Baltar
** Number Six (uh, this one is complicated)
** Karl Agathon
** Sharon Agathon
** Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)
** Saul Tigh
** Galen Tyrol
*"On the fence"
** Felix Gaeta
** Cally Tyrol (marriage does not necessarily grant you main character status)
** Anastasia Dualla (ditto)
I'm sure there are more, but here's a start. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:23, 28 November 2006 (CST)
:I guess the "Characters in the Current Series" template could serve as an example for which characters would be "Main characters". However, the Numbers Six and Eight are still a puzzle (do we make the "model number" a main character, or the specific copies, and what do we do with the others (one shot for Godfrey, for example)? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:17, 28 November 2006 (CST)
:: Given that we've treated Gina and D'anna Biers as separate characters, I think we should follow suit when categorizing them. Also, I would consider the "model number" Cylon agents as main or supporting characters as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:39, 28 November 2006 (CST)
:: Addition: Number Six (the model series) and Caprica Six should be treated as major characters. Same with Number Eight and Sharon Valerii and Sharon Agathon. Number Three has definitely become a main character in the story as well, despite Lawless' special guest star status. The rest should be recurring. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:43, 28 November 2006 (CST)
:::If nobody else has any thoughts on this I'll probably start into this effort this week. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:15, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Sounds good. ;-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:06, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Ditto. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 18:56, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
==== Status Update ====
Basically done. All Characters (RDM) are accounted for except amongst the categories except for one (272 non-list, English articles in Category:Characters (RDM), 271 members of all the subcats). I'm going to propose killing off the Category:One-shot Characters (a parent cat of One-shot Characters (RDM)). I didn't do those for the TOS (or the RDM), and I'd not wish that on anybody. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:10, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
: I guess that'd be fine. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 18:09, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
::One-shot has been killed off, and all 272 character articles are now accounted for. The Final character? Nicholas Tyrol. Interesting... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:14, 12 April 2007 (CDT)


== Category:Images - [[Mop Boy|Mops]] Wanted ==
== Category:Images - [[Mop Boy|Mops]] Wanted ==


We do not need any of the cats under Images. Mop em' up! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:04, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
We do not need any of the cats under Images. Mop em' up! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:04, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
== Final five cat? ==
Should we make categories for the Final Five as well as for the Magnificent <s>Warriors</s> Seven? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 02:59, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
: (Bump.) Just want this to appear on the RC. Thoughts on doing creating categories for the two humanoid Cylon groups: '''Category:Final Five''' and '''Category:Significant Seven'''? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 18:20, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
:: *cough* Another bump. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 00:17, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Yes, we should. They should be subcats of '''Category:Humanoid Cylons'''. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:26, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

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