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:... Dude did you just try to contradict Bradley freakin' Thompson, one of the show's producers?! I am speechless. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:33, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:... Dude did you just try to contradict Bradley freakin' Thompson, one of the show's producers?! I am speechless. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:33, 7 March 2007 (CST)


: Ha Ha ... No.  You say botato.... I say fotato... I can see why my strong belief seems audacious, but I am rather certain of what I heard. The original article poster heard "Ferdock", as I did. Mr. Thompson graciously clarified that "Burdock" was actually written in the script. I take no issue with that, but with what I myself heard.  The suggestion that Furdock may have been spoken on the set in no way contradicts Mr. Thompson's factual statement that "Burdock" was written in the script. I merely suggest that the script and the spoken dialogue on the set differ. This is not uncommon as issues are worked out on a set. Maybe this could have been done purposely to work around the plausability of two distant planets sharing the same fauna. Such a parallel would suggest some mysterious, ancient link to earth. Similarly, the colonies themselves are roughly similar to the names of the Zodiacs. This is the kind of attention to detail that deepens the production and enthralls us as fans. Perhaps April Arcus or Aaron Douglass (Chief Tyrol|Galen Tyrol) will be inclined to clarify minutae like this for the rabid, discerning fanbase. We shouldn't care about this frakkin root, but as fanatics, we can't help it, can we? {{unsigned|Maximilian333}}
: Ha Ha ... No.  You say botato.... I say fotato... I can see why my strong belief seems audacious, but I am rather certain of what I heard. The original article poster heard "Ferdock", as I did. Mr. Thompson graciously clarified that "Burdock" was actually written in the script. I take no issue with that, but with what I myself heard.  The suggestion that Furdock may have been spoken on the set in no way contradicts Mr. Thompson's factual statement that "Burdock" was written in the script. I merely suggest that the script and the spoken dialogue on the set differ. This is not uncommon as issues are worked out on a set. Maybe this could have been done purposely to work around the plausability of two distant planets sharing the same fauna. Such a parallel would suggest some mysterious, ancient link to earth. Similarly, the colonies themselves are roughly similar to the names of the Zodiacs. This is the kind of attention to detail that deepens the production and enthralls us as fans. Perhaps Peter Farago or Aaron Douglass (Chief Tyrol|Galen Tyrol) will be inclined to clarify minutae like this for the rabid, discerning fanbase. We shouldn't care about this frakkin root, but as fanatics, we can't help it, can we? {{unsigned|Maximilian333}}


:: A few points. One, Aaron Douglas never mentioned the root, it was Dr. [[Michael Robert]] ([[Bruce Davison]]). Secondly, I was the contributor who originally started the article, and at the time there was background noise in the episode that somewhat fudged the sound. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:35, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:: A few points. One, Aaron Douglas never mentioned the root, it was Dr. [[Michael Robert]] ([[Bruce Davison]]). Secondly, I was the contributor who originally started the article, and at the time there was background noise in the episode that somewhat fudged the sound. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:35, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


: Just a thought, but [[User:April Arcus|Peter]] would be the one to go to in order to determine what was said on screen, since he has that know-how. If it is mispronounced on screen, I imagine we could note that, but keep the article under its current, confirmed spelling. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:11, 8 March 2007 (CST)
: Just a thought, but [[User:Peter Farago|Peter]] would be the one to go to in order to determine what was said on screen, since he has that know-how. If it is mispronounced on screen, I imagine we could note that, but keep the article under its current, confirmed spelling. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:11, 8 March 2007 (CST)
::Huh. Sadgeezer's transcript of the episode says "burdock", for whatever that's worth. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:18, 8 March 2007 (CST)
::Huh. Sadgeezer's transcript of the episode says "burdock", for whatever that's worth. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:18, 8 March 2007 (CST)
::I'll run a spectrogram if you guys insist, but it seems pointless in light of Thompson's comment. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:39, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::I'll run a spectrogram if you guys insist, but it seems pointless in light of Thompson's comment. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:39, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


== Chief Tyrol & his 'Knuckledragger Crew', Will we see more? ==
== Chief Tyrol & his 'Knuckledragger Crew', Will we see more? ==
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::SP2 = Specialist 2nd class? Could you tell us what the rank structure for the enlisted crew is? According to some, admittedly, old blog entry by RDM it goes somewhat different and we pieced it together [[Military Ranks (RDM)|here]]. And what is Figurski's rank/rating?
::SP2 = Specialist 2nd class? Could you tell us what the rank structure for the enlisted crew is? According to some, admittedly, old blog entry by RDM it goes somewhat different and we pieced it together [[Military Ranks (RDM)|here]]. And what is Figurski's rank/rating?
::I expected to focus "Dirty Hands" to focus more on the deckhands, but it was great to get a look at a civilian ship too. And the guy with the prosthetic arm was a nice touch. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:46, 2 March 2007 (CST)
::I expected to focus "Dirty Hands" to focus more on the deckhands, but it was great to get a look at a civilian ship too. And the guy with the prosthetic arm was a nice touch. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:46, 2 March 2007 (CST)
== Question on a recurring extra ==
In early Season One, there was a large Asian pilot with tattoos that appeared at a card game. As far as I remember, he disappeared after that. Then he reappeared during the partying scenes in Scar. And now he's back in a major way in Season Three, appearing in most scenes involving lots of pilots. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the man, and was wondering if there's any actual information on him. Does he have a name? And will he ever get a line? Thanks for your time. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:51, 6 December 2006 (CST)
:Good question. Lots of pictures can be found in [http://z15.invisionfree.com/Galactica_B_S/index.php?showtopic=431 this Galactica BS thread].--[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 18:02, 6 December 2006 (CST)
::I created an article about him: [[Tattooed pilot]]. When (if) Brad gives us his actual name, we can move it.[[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 06:09, 22 December 2006 (CST)
:::He's getting the reputation of being BSG's counterpart to [[w:Morn|Morn from ''Star Trek: Deep Space Nine'']]. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:38, 5 January 2007 (CST)
::::Now we know the name of the extra: [[Leo Li Chiang]]. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 20:17, 15 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Maybe its like a running joke, that he's been in it since the beginning but still doesnt have a name? :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 08:47, 2 March 2007 (CST)
::::::If we give him a name, you won't have the fun of trying to guess what it is. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:01, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::::But... But... if he doesn't have a name then there's nothing to guess! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:22, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
== Props to David Weddle and Bradley Thompson ==
This last episode, "[[Maelstrom]]" is some of the best storytelling I have ever seen! Give your selfs a pay-rasie and a '''high-five'''! [[Cylon Shooter]]s on me. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:24, 5 March 2007 (CST)
:A good episode indeed, although it can never beat the immortal "[[Rapture]]" ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 08:49, 6 March 2007 (CST)
::Thanks for liking them both! - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:59, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::You guys do downright amazing work. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:05, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
== Harvey Frand ==
What is this guy's job exactly? He doesn't seem to be directly involved in the creative side of the show. Is he more of an administrative producer? Making sure the logistics work, sets are built, actors hired, etc. I'm not saying that that's not important, just curious :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:20, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::Without Harvey Frand, Galactica would not be nearly as spectacular as it is.  He keeps everything on time and on budget, makes sure the scripts can be done with the resources available, finds the most efficient way to allot those resources -- and when something is necessary to make the story work -- yet is financially impossible to do, he finds a way.  Harvey is the man who literally makes the show happen in the real world, which calls for tremendous creativity and risk-taking.  He's the guy on Maelstrom who pointed out that we had an eight page day to shoot on location in Socrata's apartment -- and a location day can make at best six pages.  It was impossible to do, even with overtime, given what we'd accomplished in seasons previous. 
::As David Weddle was trying to cut those scenes down to something we could shoot, he realized that doing so would gut their emotional impact.  He brought this to the attention of Michael Nankin, who agreed - we needed all eight pages.  We went to Harvey with the problem and swore that everything would go right, that the guest star would know her lines, that Michael could cut some corners on coverage to be able to make the day.  If anything fell apart (camera failure, safety issue, botched lines... anything like that and we'd be hosed.  We couldn't stay late.  (You can't keep the trucks on the street after a certain hour in that section of Vancouver or you're busted, fined and can never shoot there again.)  Not only that, but the rest of the schedule would be thrown out of whack and it wouldn't just be these critical scenes that would be unfinished... would there be budget left to do the spectacular end of the season?  Or even the humungous dogfight at the end of Maelstrom?  Harvey had a tough call to make.
::Harvey rolled the hard six.  And Dorothy had her lines down cold.  And Katee was perfect.  Nothing broke.  And we got out of there with less than seconds to spare.
::That's just one of the calls Harvey has to make every day.  He's frakking awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:52, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Thanks for that detailed explanation. That's sort of what I assumed. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:20, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
== Billing and Contracts ==
The Son Also Rises rose some questions about how billing works on Galactica. With the exception of Katee Sackhoff's departure, the main credits have remained constant, while the secondary credits for Guest Stars has been more more fluid. However, there've been some constants. Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglas, and Tahmoh Penikett were always the top dogs of the non-main cast, and, with the exception of the rare episode where one of their characters didn't appear, they always appeared in that order.
However, things seem to be changing. Ever since Cally became a prominent character in Season Two, Nicki Clyne has been slowly rising in the ranks of the Guest Stars. At first, she was just getting away with supplanting Alessandro Juliano and Kandyse McClure, but now she has actually broken into the top three, as she was credited before Penikett in the last episode.
I was wondering, what determines billing? I assume it's contractual, as Michael Hogan is always top billed, even in the few episodes he doesn't have any lines. So has Clyne negotiated a new contract that puts her higher in the credits?
Also, I noticed that Sebastian Spense cracked the Guest Stars in The Son Also Rises. Not to speak ill of Narcho, but why has he gotten up to the front of the episode? Did he get a better contract? What makes someone only worthy of getting their credit at the end of the episode? Is Brody Olmos less able to commit to a contract, and that's why he hasn't cracked the Guest Stars?
Sorry I've asked so much. Really, I just want to know how people get their names in the secondary credits, and why certain reliable, long time characters are stuck at the end of the episode. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::That's a really good question and I don't have an answer.  It is indeed contractual and that's all handled by business affairs, who tend to be a tight-lipped bunch, and rightly so.  - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:22, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
==Maelstrom Viper Mark VII==
[[Image:Viper Mk VII Maelstrom.JPG|thumb]]
In the excellent fighter scenes in the episode [[Maelstrom]], Apollo consistantly flies a different version of the Mk VII Viper than we've seen before. I was wondering if some light could be shed on what it was, since the changes were fairly substantial, such as one of the "home-made" Vipers from Pegasus, a modified regular Mk VII, or just a retro-active design change? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:Or is it the Viper Mk VIII? :) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 05:49, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Galactica's ships are in a constant state of change.  The arms race with the Cylons and shortage of parts and resources means Tyrol's knuckledraggers are constantly making improvements and jury-rigging around lacks.  (At one point there were talks about making tylium tanks out of paper to extend the fighter ranges, but the idea was dropped when paper was declared a strategic material.) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:19, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::...and when people were eating it during the food shortage ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 05:06, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
== Intro, survivor count for Crossroads, Part I ==
The latest episode, "[[Crossroads, Part I]]", did not have an intro movie (time constraints?), nor did it show a survivor count. I personally don't care much about the intro movie (since we get back actual episode content), but there are a lot of die-hard fans here eager to know the survivor count. What was the count for Crossroads, Part I? Is Part II going to have an intro and a survivor count? Have you abolished the intro movie altogether? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:The survivor count was on the board during the trial. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 18:54, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
::No, the number of people who escaped New Caprica was on the board. "Crossroads" takes place 2 to 3 months later. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:37, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
== Number of Season Four episodes ==
I realize this was only just announced, and you may not know or be able to comment, but there seems to be confusion over what exactly the 22 episode season order entails. Alongside this announcement, there is confirmation of the made for TV movie, which Sci-Fi is describing as "a special two-hour extended episode." The thing that people are unsure of is whether the movie counts toward the 22 episode count. Will the movie count as two episodes, and then Season Four proper will be the standard 20 episode? [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 17:39, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
I don't know how SciFi is going to label the "seasons" but the 22 episodes are broken down as such:  2 for the "Special Extended Episode."  We come back to where season three left off at episode #3 and do a cliff-hanger at episode 12.  Then we have 10 more to bring the series to its resolution.  That adds up to 22. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
== Faster-Than-Light Stuff ==
Hi there. We know that Ron Moore's goal for the show, as stated in his [[Naturalistic science fiction]] essay, was not to use incredulous science for the show, for instance, faster-than-light travel. We have a little debate if that applied to faster-than-light communications. Several instances appeared where Cylon downloading and communications may move faster than light. We understand that "FTL" travel is apparent-FTL through the [[FTL|wormhole theory]], but has there been a change to how writers handle, say, communications between Cylons at long range (like between one basestar to the infected one in "[[Torn]]"). Did Boomer's consciousness go to a Resurrection Ship and then to Caprica, or traveled farther, relayed, or some other process? If you like, you can see the extended debate in the [[Talk:Faster-than-light communication]] article to note our confusion. If true-FTL does not exist anywhere in the Re-imagined universe, we'll just tack it up to a continuity error that, I feel at least, is for cinematic purposes so a story doesn't get all overly technical or complicated. Thanks. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
:Let me ask me more precise question: how do the Cylons manage to appear at the Fleet's previous position less than 12 hours after it jumped away? The Fleet must be making multi-lightyear jumps, since their destination (the Ionian nebula) is thousands of lightyears away. Does the radiation signature from the ''[[Daru Mozu]]'' travel faster than light? The radiation signature from the [[Cloud 9]] blast did travel at lightspeed. Do the Cylons have some other way of tracking the Fleet? Or is it simply a continuity error? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 03:48, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::Note that we can't be sure the Cylons really traced them with the radiation signature.  That is only what Six suggested they "might have done."  Six might even be lying -- not about the signature's presence, but about how usable it is for tracking -- to cover up the real tracking method.  But most of all, the Cylon fleet at Ionia didn't track them there using the radiation signature because the Mining ship was off elsewhere as a decoy. 
::Now that said, since an FTL radiation signature seems unlikely, this would imply that if used, the radiation signature somehow allows the Cylons to track where a ship has jumped from its origination point.  ie. that somehow the mining ship radiated its target jump coordinates.  It's never said, but the colonials clearly believe it is not possible to tell where a ship jumped to, but the only ways to track a jumping ship would be either that, or an FTL transmission from the destination.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:05, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::The radiation signature is definitely a buy.  Our Tech guy, Kevin Grazier (who put the cameras on Cassini) came up with a more accurate explanation (after all, space is chock full of radiation and FTL emanations would get lost in the clutter), but because radiation sounded simpler, that's what ended up in the show.  Originally, the sick ship in Torn was detected by scouts sent by the main unit of the Cylon fleet and the message relayed back to them when the scouts returned.  I'm not sure if that bit of legwork remained in the final cut. Finally, there might still be Cylon agents in the colonial fleet, tracking devices left on the ships from New Caprica - the Cylons aren't going to give up all their technological secrets that easily, especially regarding the transmission of the massive amounts of data involved in the resurrection process -- [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:06, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

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