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| ::As is usual in Fleet Air operations, the availability of operational aircraft is affected by scheduled maintenance, exceeded TBO's (Time Between Overhauls), pilot squawks, parts on hand (or due to be fabricated), glitches, etc. These headaches are why Tyrol looks frazzled a lot of the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT) | | ::As is usual in Fleet Air operations, the availability of operational aircraft is affected by scheduled maintenance, exceeded TBO's (Time Between Overhauls), pilot squawks, parts on hand (or due to be fabricated), glitches, etc. These headaches are why Tyrol looks frazzled a lot of the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| Do you keep informal track of statistics such as crew totals and raptors/vipers on hand? Is there a list of pilot and ship names to avoid verbally identifying more people or craft than are supposed to exist? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:39, 18 June 2006 (CDT) | | Do you keep informal track of statistics such as crew totals and raptors/vipers on hand? Is there a list of pilot and ship names to avoid verbally identifying more people or craft than are supposed to exist? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:39, 18 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| ::The list does exist, but it reflects only one moment in the history of Galactica. With so few people and so much to do in a fleet under seige, accountants and future historians get the short end of the priority stick. It's been one of the President's complaints for over a year. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT) | | ::The list does exist, but it reflects only one moment in the history of Galactica. With so few people and so much to do in a fleet under seige, accountants and future historians get the short end of the priority stick. It's been one of the President's complaints for over a year. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| I've been wondering about this for some time: in "[[Valley of Darkness]]", Number Six shows Baltar a pile of old human skulls on the surface of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], and tells him that human sacrifices used to be performed on Kobol, and the [[Sacred Scrolls]] are really just a bunch of lies to cover up the brutality of humanity's past. --->Should this scene be taken at face value? That is, did this entire scene "actually" happen, were there actually skulls there, or did all of this occurr as a Number Six induced manipulation inside of Baltar's head, to manipulate him and turn him more and more against humanity? --->Or (of course), is this one of those "we intentionally wanted the audience to be confused as to whether that scene was "real" or not, and it's still an open question with no answer" things? ---->Or, another possibility, were the skulls themselves there, but Number Six was just lying about them? I mean just by looking at them (assuming they were actually real) Baltar couldn't confirm Number Six's statements that they were the result of human sacrifice rituals: they could have been just bones lying around from some old war or cataclysm. (We don't need a definative answer given away, we just need to know if this was intentionally open to interpretation)...was what Number Six saying meant to be actually true, or is there the *possibilty* that she was lying about the skeletons Baltar found and it's open to audience interpretation?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:50, 21 June 2006 (CDT) | | I've been wondering about this for some time: in "[[Valley of Darkness]]", Number Six shows Baltar a pile of old human skulls on the surface of [[Kobol]], and tells him that human sacrifices used to be performed on Kobol, and the [[Sacred Scrolls]] are really just a bunch of lies to cover up the brutality of humanity's past. --->Should this scene be taken at face value? That is, did this entire scene "actually" happen, were there actually skulls there, or did all of this occurr as a Number Six induced manipulation inside of Baltar's head, to manipulate him and turn him more and more against humanity? --->Or (of course), is this one of those "we intentionally wanted the audience to be confused as to whether that scene was "real" or not, and it's still an open question with no answer" things? ---->Or, another possibility, were the skulls themselves there, but Number Six was just lying about them? I mean just by looking at them (assuming they were actually real) Baltar couldn't confirm Number Six's statements that they were the result of human sacrifice rituals: they could have been just bones lying around from some old war or cataclysm. (We don't need a definative answer given away, we just need to know if this was intentionally open to interpretation)...was what Number Six saying meant to be actually true, or is there the *possibilty* that she was lying about the skeletons Baltar found and it's open to audience interpretation?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:50, 21 June 2006 (CDT) |
| :::The question at the bottom of this is: "Who is Six?" In such cases, I'm not going to embellish what Ron & David have put on the screen. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:39, 22 June 2006 (CDT) | | :::The question at the bottom of this is: "Who is Six?" In such cases, I'm not going to embellish what Ron & David have put on the screen. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:39, 22 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| == Tom Zarek / Ellen Tigh involvement == | | == Tom Zarek / Ellen Tigh involvement == |
| "[[Colonial Day]]" made it very clear that Ellen Tigh furnished Zarek with the information he needed to have [[Valance]] killed, and later intended her husband to meet with his agents afterward. Why was this plot thread dropped, after making such a big deal of it in the episode? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:09, 18 June 2006 (CDT) | | "[[Colonial Day]]" made it very clear that Ellen Tigh furnished Zarek with the information he needed to have [[Valance]] killed, and later intended her husband to meet with his agents afterward. Why was this plot thread dropped, after making such a big deal of it in the episode? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:09, 18 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| :Zarek also stated that he had no connection with the death of Valance. And though we're not privvy to all of Tigh's bedroom conversations, we might assume that Ellen's machinations failed to gain her husband's co-operation. After all, she couldn't even get him to shake hands with the ex-terrorist. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:40, 19 June 2006 (CDT) | | :Zarek also stated that he had no connection with the death of Valance. And though we're not privvy to all of Tigh's bedroom conversations, we might assume that Ellen's machinations failed to gain her husband's co-operation. After all, she couldn't even get him to shake hands with the ex-terrorist. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:40, 19 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| ::There are many plausible in-continuity explanations for why this wasn't followed up - I was more interested in what was going on in the writer's room, and if you all had plans to pursue this thread before the course of season 2 was settled upon. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:14, 20 June 2006 (CDT) | | ::There are many plausible in-continuity explanations for why this wasn't followed up - I was more interested in what was going on in the writer's room, and if you all had plans to pursue this thread before the course of season 2 was settled upon. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:14, 20 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| :::Peter - There were many arguments pro and con as to where this would go. But events passed us by and we haven't returned to it. Sometimes we plant seeds without knowing whether they'll sprout. Like Boxey - who was written into several early episodes, then left on the cutting room floor because of time constraints. Giving Baltar a nuke was one of those seeds, and throughout the first two seasons we constantly wondered what he'd do with the thing. There were some pretty whacky ideas. But having it in our back pocket was really useful when "Lay Your Burdens Down" came up. It's part of the fun of writing the show - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:01, 20 June 2006 (CDT) | | :::Peter - There were many arguments pro and con as to where this would go. But events passed us by and we haven't returned to it. Sometimes we plant seeds without knowing whether they'll sprout. Like Boxey - who was written into several early episodes, then left on the cutting room floor because of time constraints. Giving Baltar a nuke was one of those seeds, and throughout the first two seasons we constantly wondered what he'd do with the thing. There were some pretty whacky ideas. But having it in our back pocket was really useful when "Lay Your Burdens Down" came up. It's part of the fun of writing the show - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:01, 20 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| ::::Thanks. Your clarification will be helpful for closing out that line of speculation on Ellen's article. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 03:57, 21 June 2006 (CDT) | | ::::Thanks. Your clarification will be helpful for closing out that line of speculation on Ellen's article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:57, 21 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| ::::::That isn't to say that WE have closed it out. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:50, 21 June 2006 (CDT) | | ::::::That isn't to say that WE have closed it out. :) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:50, 21 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| : The Cylons either built a downloading facility on Caprica or detailed one of their few Resurrection Ships to Colonial occupation duties. By "Pegasus," Galactica's a long way from both. Downloading is very touchy (and highly classified technology). [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:32, 19 June 2006 (CDT) | | : The Cylons either built a downloading facility on Caprica or detailed one of their few Resurrection Ships to Colonial occupation duties. By "Pegasus," Galactica's a long way from both. Downloading is very touchy (and highly classified technology). [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:32, 19 June 2006 (CDT) |
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| in "[[Scattered]]", Commander Adama is shot so his XO Colonel Tigh takes command, while Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] then becomes his acting XO. Is Captain Kelly ''normally'' third-in-command of ''Galactica'' (well, before the many promotions and shifting assignments in Season 2.5 post-"Pegasus")? Or is Apollo normally third in command, but because he was arrested for mutiny, he was removed from the normal succession?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:11, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :Captain Kelly would undoubtadely be the "third in command", or more correctly, the "Second Officer". Captain Adama is the Commander of the Air Group- if, as much of the rest of the show suggests, the Colonial Fleet closely follws the US military's organization, then Apollo would not be directly involved in the day-to-day running of Galactica ''herself'', merely the air group stationed aboard her. Thoughts? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:48, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
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| The [[season two timeline discontinuity]] left us all a bit baffled. Can you help clarify matters? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:40, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::Those are actually two separate things: yes, there was a mistake in post for "Downloaded": the card at the beginning says "10 weeks ago", which would have been impossible. The messageboards were in an uproar, and apparently, Joe (owner of BattlestarWiki) e-mailed the post production office and showed them our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] article, showing how it was a clear mix up in post: They sent us an e-mail ''back'' saying that it would be fixed in the Season 2.5 DVD and all subsequent international airings: Fans in the UK have confirmed to us that when "Downloaded" premiered in the UK, the sign was changed to "10 weeks ''later''".----->However, what we've dubbed the "season 2.5 timeline discontinuity" is different from that, but I think it's more something we're waiting for Ron to explain in his Scifi.com blog. --->Basically, there was a jump in time of about 2-3 months between "Pegasus" and "Res Ship I", which we've been trying to explain but can't: All dates ''within'' season 2.5 are consistent with each other, but not with the earlier half of season 2. That is, we worked out that "Pegasus" must take place around three months post-attack, but then in "Res Ship I" Admiral Cain said "Six month" had passed since the attack: at first we thought it was a random dialogue error, at first, but then the rest of Season 2.5 consistently used this, i.e. in "Downloaded" [[Hera]] is born 9 months after the Cylon attack (one month premature, as she was conceived on Day 24). The reason we encountered the "season 2 timeline discontinuity" is that there are a few things that are not really reconcilable, which are:
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| ::::C) The last point is a bit complicated, but follows our detailed Timeline: the last firm date we got from the Helo-on-Caprica ticker was that season 2 begins Two months after the attack. Scattered through Fragged span a day or two, then Resistance (ground team wasn't on Kobol very long). In "Resistance", Cally killed ''Galactica''-Sharon and was sent to the brig for 30 days as a result. Cally gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix". --->Colonel Tigh was in command of ''Galatica'' for less than two weeks, more probably one, a command which ended in "Resistance" when Adama returned. Anyway, in FotP Roslin is told she has one month at the ''most'' to live. That means at most one month passes between this scene and "Epiphanies", when she's dying. --->It is stated that "weeks" pass during FotP while Tyrol builds the Blackbird, and this is actually the episode which includes the longest amount of time from beginning to end; we assumed it took maybe 2, but it could have taken many weeks. In any event, we figured out that Flight of the Phoenix ''starts'' about two and a half months after the attack, a lot of time passes during the episode, and by the ''end'', Roslin has one month to live. "Epiphanies" states it took place Six months post-attack, subtracting one month for Roslin life expectancy, the end of Flight of the Phoenix would have to be at Five months poast attack....which would mean that during the episode, 2 months pass while Tyrol builds the Blackbird (which would be a lot given that all of season 1 lasted just two months).
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| ::::Unfortunately, you're going to be forced to the conclusion that wizards did it. At least for now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)
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| (BTW, thank you for taking the time to read all of these.): A matter which has come up is what to refer to the guns in BSG as. That is, on Star Trek we'd have an article title "Phasers", and have subsectios talking about ship-mounted phasers and various models of hand phasers. On BSG, are the ship-mounted guns railguns, officially? Do Cylon Basestars have gun batteries like Battlestars? In our own analysis, we thought they didn't (except for missiles) and that while both Battlestars and Basestars are Carrier/Battleship hybrids, a Battlestar is more battleship than a basestar and a basestar leans more towards carrier: that they rely on sheer weight of numbers and hundreds upon hundreds of Raiders, at the expense of having no room left over for railgun batteries (so if you lure the hundreds of Raiders away, they're at a disadvantage to Battlestars, as in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]). ---->Meanwhile, like I said in Trek we'd have an article for "hand phasers", but on BSG we've just got "guns". And for Vipers, what do Vipers have? ---->My point is, we've been using the term "[[Kinetic Energy Weapon]]s" for the name of an article on all of this, but we're not sure if this is in anyway what the show itself uses. This many seem like a minor point, I know, but after we started using "KEW", simply as a term of convenience on the Viper articles and such...other fansites and messageboards I've seen read ''BattlestarWiki'' and I think they assume it's an official term. So if this is not what people in the BSGverse refer to their guns as, I think I should add a disclaimer or something (just like "Note: KEW is not an official term"). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :In short, is "[[KEW]]" a correct termology of the "guns" of Battlestar(s)? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::[Spock]I believe that is what I said, Mr. Shane [/Spock]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:52, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Just a simple explain. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:17, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::During rewrites of Epiphanes, we ran into this same question, at least in terms of Viper ordnance. The writing staff originally proposed chemically propelled projectiles (easier to sabotage) but Gary Hutzel protested. He preferred rail guns, and that's what we adopted, but nobody's said it on screen. Which means there is no canon on our cannons yet ;) [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::The plot thinkens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:25, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
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| ::::::The visual evidence on Epiphanies seems to suggest chemically propelled projectiles. However, since railguns are still a form of KEW, do the production staff ever refer to them as KEW? We are trying to verify if the term [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]] is an "official" term. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:50, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::I'm pretty sure it's just something one of us came up with. It's been proposed that we go to a more generic "Weapons" over on the talk page of that article. It's not like we have an article for each different "kind" of weapon at this point.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :::::::The broken cartridge (with what appeared to be gunpowder spilling out) did seem to point to chemical propulsion. And not even caseless (as had been proposed during the [[miniseries]]). Oh well. As long as something comes out whenever they pull the trigger, I suppose. The (rail gun/Gary Hutzel discussion) is an awesome piece of trivia! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
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| "Kinetic Energy Weapon" and "KEW" are terms I first saw used by the US Air Force in a book called MILITARY SPACE FORCES commissioned by the US Congress and published in 1989. As to its "official" nature on Galactica, I'm sure they'd use the term where appropriate, just as they use the terms "nuclear weapon" or "noodle."
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| The Rail guns aboard the Vipers fire a mix of tracer/incendiary, armor piercing and explosive rounds, in various ratios depending upon mission requirements, so not all their projectiles are strictly kinetic. - And the powder in the degraded projectile might have been chemical explosive used in the HE rounds. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:14, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
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| :Can I ask, then, why chemically-propelled ordnance was rejected? I ask mainly because rail guns as we know them (theoretically) propel ordnance at a percentage of the speed of light- which, it stands to reason, would be far faster than any chemically-propelled weaponry, such as missiles. However, in the [[Miniseries]], when the fleet is escaping [[Ragnar]], the shells fired by both Galatica and her Vipers do not seem to be travelling much faster than the missiles fired by the enemy vessels.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
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| ::Here we're stuck with what we can actually SEE in order to make exciting visual storytelling. Just as the Vipers and Raiders have been slowed down and moved closer than they would "really" be so we can enjoy cool shots, the weaponry has also been made viewer friendly. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:43, 27 July 2006 (CDT)
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