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=General Comments= | =General Comments= | ||
None of these articles are currently in good enough shape to be featured by tomorrow. A featured article should, in my opinion, be as perfect as we can make it before we confer that status. --[[User: | None of these articles are currently in good enough shape to be featured by tomorrow. A featured article should, in my opinion, be as perfect as we can make it before we confer that status. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:24, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:No aritcle is "perfect". Even previous FA's on other sites are worked on and updated after they have been FAs. Wikipieda is a good example. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ;sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:40, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | :No aritcle is "perfect". Even previous FA's on other sites are worked on and updated after they have been FAs. Wikipieda is a good example. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ;sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 08:40, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:If the standard is "perfect", is it realistic to perfect an article per month to stay ahead of being featured? Should we perhaps "lower the bar" to "best articles that we have right now" if we don't have any perfect articles? Also... maybe we should pick out articles for future "featured" status ahead of time, that there might be time to perfect them ahead of their featured status? It would allow us to collaborate to clean up and perfect the Wiki one article at a time. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:57, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | :If the standard is "perfect", is it realistic to perfect an article per month to stay ahead of being featured? Should we perhaps "lower the bar" to "best articles that we have right now" if we don't have any perfect articles? Also... maybe we should pick out articles for future "featured" status ahead of time, that there might be time to perfect them ahead of their featured status? It would allow us to collaborate to clean up and perfect the Wiki one article at a time. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:57, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::What I said was "as perfect as we can make it" - of course perfect is impossible, but we should strive for the best quality we can possibly achieve. --[[User: | ::What I said was "as perfect as we can make it" - of course perfect is impossible, but we should strive for the best quality we can possibly achieve. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:36, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:My suggestions on time were out of my head. If there is some other time frame we should pick, that is fine. But I still suggest the last week we narrow it down. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 09:11, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | :My suggestions on time were out of my head. If there is some other time frame we should pick, that is fine. But I still suggest the last week we narrow it down. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 09:11, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::Logically, if we have one featured article per month, that gives us a month each to work on the next one, which should be adequate. The vetting process for featured articles on Wikipedia results in some very high quality work, and I'd like to see that carry over to here. --[[User: | ::Logically, if we have one featured article per month, that gives us a month each to work on the next one, which should be adequate. The vetting process for featured articles on Wikipedia results in some very high quality work, and I'd like to see that carry over to here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:36, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::I have reverted Shane's archival of this debate, as I do not consider it over. The June 7th deadline was declared by fiat, and has not, in my opinion, been adequately defended. Please reply to the points I have raised above before formally declaring "[[Galactica (RDM)]]" a featured article. --[[User: | :::I have reverted Shane's archival of this debate, as I do not consider it over. The June 7th deadline was declared by fiat, and has not, in my opinion, been adequately defended. Please reply to the points I have raised above before formally declaring "[[Galactica (RDM)]]" a featured article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:34, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::We have. The only thing you asked was the standards. They been sitting on the main page for over a month and you didn't vent them now. I suggest you re-revert your latest revert, and countinue this debate for the next month and just close this as it is. You want to list your points now because I just re-read this and I can not find any. If you stop a process just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you shut the site down, you move on to the next time it happens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:41, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ::::We have. The only thing you asked was the standards. They been sitting on the main page for over a month and you didn't vent them now. I suggest you re-revert your latest revert, and countinue this debate for the next month and just close this as it is. You want to list your points now because I just re-read this and I can not find any. If you stop a process just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you shut the site down, you move on to the next time it happens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:41, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::I want "[[Galactica (RDM)]]" to be of a quality worthy of a featured article before it is labeled as such. It still needs improvements, which I have noted below, and I do not see any pressing need to rush the process before that is done. --[[User: | :::::I want "[[Galactica (RDM)]]" to be of a quality worthy of a featured article before it is labeled as such. It still needs improvements, which I have noted below, and I do not see any pressing need to rush the process before that is done. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:49, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::We should not debate this just so your article is selected pet. It is not perfect. It contains no images. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:48, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ::::We should not debate this just so your article is selected pet. It is not perfect. It contains no images. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:48, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::This has nothing to do with any preference on my part for the language article, and I resent that implication. I have no objection to "[[Galactica (RDM)]]" being featured this month, I just want it to be in worthy shape beforehand. --[[User: | :::::This has nothing to do with any preference on my part for the language article, and I resent that implication. I have no objection to "[[Galactica (RDM)]]" being featured this month, I just want it to be in worthy shape beforehand. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:50, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::::IF this were the case, it would have {{tl|cleanup}} tag on it. All articles would have one. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:05, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ::::::IF this were the case, it would have {{tl|cleanup}} tag on it. All articles would have one. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:05, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::::{{tl|cleanup}} is for articles in dire need of attention. All work on the wiki is a work in progress. --[[User: | :::::::{{tl|cleanup}} is for articles in dire need of attention. All work on the wiki is a work in progress. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:07, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::::::::You just proved our point. All work is a work in progress which means it is not perfect nor will it ever be. {{tl|cleanup for FA}} - do you want your majesty? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:20, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ::::::::You just proved our point. All work is a work in progress which means it is not perfect nor will it ever be. {{tl|cleanup for FA}} - do you want your majesty? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:20, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:::::::::Just because an article is not in dire need of cleanup does not mean that it should be featured after a scant four days of discussion, when there are clearly still aspects of it which stand to be improved, and easily could be. --[[User: | :::::::::Just because an article is not in dire need of cleanup does not mean that it should be featured after a scant four days of discussion, when there are clearly still aspects of it which stand to be improved, and easily could be. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:25, 7 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
I agree with Shane: the Galactica article was good enough to be a featured article as it stands. Of course it's not "perfect", not a single article ever will be: like the constitution they're a "living document" type thing, but we still say "these are the articles we're really proud of". No, I think the running tallies section of "Galatcica" is one of the good parts about it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:13, 8 June 2006 (CDT) | I agree with Shane: the Galactica article was good enough to be a featured article as it stands. Of course it's not "perfect", not a single article ever will be: like the constitution they're a "living document" type thing, but we still say "these are the articles we're really proud of". No, I think the running tallies section of "Galatcica" is one of the good parts about it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:13, 8 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
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We could spend a little time polishing on Galactica (RDM) (maybe Peter could post a quick Todo list on its talk page?) and then when we've got it nice and shiny (I doubt it'd take very long at all) Peter could revert the Main Page/FA article to the Galactica version that Shane has prepared? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:37, 8 June 2006 (CDT) | We could spend a little time polishing on Galactica (RDM) (maybe Peter could post a quick Todo list on its talk page?) and then when we've got it nice and shiny (I doubt it'd take very long at all) Peter could revert the Main Page/FA article to the Galactica version that Shane has prepared? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:37, 8 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
:That was what I had in mind. --[[User: | :That was what I had in mind. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:37, 8 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
::Spence has signed off on it, and it seems to have undergone the changes outlined in its talk page. If there's no objection I propose that we go ahead and revert/modify the pages needed to make it the next FA. (And start figuring out which article will be after this one, so we can get started on cleaning.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:36, 15 June 2006 (CDT) | ::Spence has signed off on it, and it seems to have undergone the changes outlined in its talk page. If there's no objection I propose that we go ahead and revert/modify the pages needed to make it the next FA. (And start figuring out which article will be after this one, so we can get started on cleaning.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:36, 15 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
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==[[Galactica (RDM)]]== | ==[[Galactica (RDM)]]== | ||
*{{oppose}} A good article succsessfully rescued from the abyss by group effort several month ago. Could currently use some minor reformatting - the "running tallies" probably belong in their own article, rather than in the footnotes, and the "fleet details" section seems a little precious. --[[User: | *{{oppose}} A good article succsessfully rescued from the abyss by group effort several month ago. Could currently use some minor reformatting - the "running tallies" probably belong in their own article, rather than in the footnotes, and the "fleet details" section seems a little precious. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:08, 3 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
**Well jeez I thought the running tallies are what made it so good.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:43, 3 June 2006 (CDT) | **Well jeez I thought the running tallies are what made it so good.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:43, 3 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
**{{support}} This one has my final vote. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:20, 6 June 2006 (CDT) | **{{support}} This one has my final vote. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:20, 6 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
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==[[Language in the Twelve Colonies]]== | ==[[Language in the Twelve Colonies]]== | ||
* | *This was originally one of mine from last August, when I was more active on the content side. I've always been proud of it for being both comprehensive and concise, and have defended both aspects of the article vigorously. The article currently needs a link to a credible online source of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, and would also be a good place to discuss ship names in the colonial fleet, as I recently proposed on the [[Battlestar_Wiki:Wikipedian_Quorum#Binomial_nomenclature_for_ships|Quorum]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:08, 3 June 2006 (CDT) | ||
* | *This is an artful piece, although it lacks ''something'' I can't put my finger on. I won't give it my vote for this month, but I may another time. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:38, 6 June 2006 (CDT) | ||