I'd like to point out that the Template box at the bottom of each episode page is wrong: "Scar" comes before "Sacrifice", not after it. This needs to be fixed but I don't know how to do this. --Ricimer 01:25, 6 January 2006 (EST)
Plausible Parallel?[edit]
Is it possible that this episode is a parallel to the episode in TOS in which there is a mano-e-mano showdown between a Human and a Cylon? I'm curious as to the possibility that RDM is taking each of TOS's episodes and "outdoing" them, both in believeability, realism, and intensity.--Hawke
- Almost certainly not. There is no TOS Viper vs. Ace Raider thing. It's actually a staple of many scifi tv shows for several years; the "Red Baron" episode. The good guys are at war with another race, and the hero must go up against the enemy's ace pilot. Notably, "Space: Above and Beyond" did this when McQueen took out the ace Chig pilot, Chiggy von Rictoffen (sarcastic nickname they came up with for him). Long story short, no this is not at all from TOS. This is a classic military story, one of those things that doesn't even need to be scifi. --Ricimer 16:15, 28 January 2006 (EST)
- Abandon all hope, Ricimer. -- Joe Beaudoin 22:07, 28 January 2006 (EST)
- The Gods don't want to hear from Starbuck now. Because she's about to go out in that Viper and remove one of Their creations from Their universe. And when she gets back, she's going to drink a bottle of ambrosia as if it were Scar's frakking bio-mechanical blood, and celebrate his death! -- Ricimer 22:14, 28 January 2006 (EST)
- Actually, it's funny that all the episodes that have been outdone were named after they were finished being written and the writers had no prior knowledge of the episodes they were homages to. I got this from the Battlestar Galactica Official Companion. BTW, I saw that Space ABove and Beyond ep and that;s what i thought of when I first heard of the Scar Raider. --Ltcrashdown 22:16, 28 January 2006 (EST)
- LOL! Just finished watching that episode, and it's one of the best lines ever from that series. Ricimer paraphrased it well. --Sgtpayne 19:41, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- Even when McQueen quotes the Iliad at Chiggy before he finishes him off? "Looking darkly upon Hector, swift footed Achilles answered, 'I cannot forgive you. As there are no trustworthy oaths between men and lions, there can be no love between you and me. Before then to glut with his blood, Ares, the god who fights under the shield's guard. Now the time comes for you to be a spearman and a bold warrior. You will pay in a lump for all the sorrows of my companions you have killed in your spear's fury. None of that "mercy to our enemies" stuff, "Cylons can be people too" things, no; straightfoward revenge. :) --Ricimer 20:07, 4 February 2006 (EST)
Did they do it?[edit]
Ricimer, since I know you tape the episodes, I'll let you watch it again before removing that question. I think you'll agree with me that it's very clearly implied that Apollo stops things before they get that far. --Peter Farago 02:10, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- I actually watched this with several friends, and we got into a raging debate over whether this happened or not. About a third said no, a third said yes (including me), and a third said they weren't sure at all. It's sort of like how after "Pegasus", a lot of people were asking if Boomer got raped or not, because the editing was (intentionally) chaotic and confusing. However, we all know from the podcast of that that there were two versions and that was officially the "not raped" version.
- The podcast for this episode is vague; he mentions only once the idea that "they'd get so drunk that they'd be in a state where they'd try to have sex with each other"--->OKAY, it wasn't quite that, but the point is he uses the word "try" in such a context (I listened to the podcast with friends) that after repeat listening...It didn't really give evidence one way or the other, plus these weren't the guys that directed it, etc. When *I* saw it, I got the impression that, through careful editing......frak. I can't put this more delicately forgive me. Frak. Well, to cut through it using Ad-libs; I thought that after Starbuck gets her panties pulled down, editing gets chaotic; Starbuck spreads her _Adjective_ _Noun_ and Apollo proceeds to _Verb_ her _Adjective_ _Noun_ with his own (conspicuous) _Adjective_ _Noun_ however Starbuck is proceeding too rough and really fast and Apollo keeps telling her to "slow down", which in context could mean *any number of things*. Starbuck then removes herself from the "presence" of his _Adverb_ _Adjective_ _Noun_ just as (off camera) he yanks his towel (or whatever) up, so when we actually see him in his first wideshot, he appears to have not removed his towel, when in reality he did but put it back off camera. --Ricimer 02:30, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- I really didn't find it at all ambiguous, and even if they did accomplish penetration extremely briefly, it's a crass thing to speculate about. The emotional consequences for Kara and Lee are the same regardless. --Peter Farago 19:23, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- I am not being crass. I literally turned to the person next to me and said "Hey, wait a minute, did they just do it?" and no one was sure. It's not like I expect us to get any conclusive answeres based on analysis; I'm just saying "we're not sure"--Ricimer 19:28, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- When I was watching it and Apollo had his hand on her ass, I turned to my friend and said, "It's about time" but I spoke too soon...--Bane Grievver 22:28, 4 February 2006 (EST)
Launch Gaffe[edit]
Was it just me, or when Starbuck and Kat launched from the Galactica in Viper VIIs, didn't the tube sequence show a Viper II?--み使い Mitsukai 02:21, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- Noticed this as well. Apparently the show has no stock footage of a Mk. VII launch sequence. --Peter Farago 02:22, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- Unless they referred to Kat or Starbuck talking over wireless from within the launch tube, this could be explained as being the "other" Vipers flying on patrol for other parts of the asteroid belt.--Ricimer 02:32, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- I think what Ricimer means is that we can intnetionally misconstrue that as seeing someone else launching, even though, in actuality, it was an editing goof.--Day 20:20, 5 February 2006 (EST)
- Yes, we could, but it would be quite disingenuous to do so. I think we should call it the way it is. --Peter Farago 20:24, 5 February 2006 (EST)
- Well, depends on whether you want to start talking about how the Vipers changed appearances or whatever by assuming that the mistake makes canon. Anyway... I was just trying to clarify. --Day 21:20, 5 February 2006 (EST)
You are all driving me mad[edit]
Please, for the love of god, use the "edit" link on the section you are working on. This allows other editors to work on other sections without incurring edit collisions. --Peter Farago 02:37, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- This place is getting really busy lately. Collisions are becoming more frequent, even on talk pages. Not sure if there is long-term help for this (or any wiki). --Spencerian 10:42, 5 February 2006 (EST)
Props Given on... Old Props![edit]
Hey, did anyone else spot that Landram in the openning shot?--Ricimer 19:31, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- I noticed it but didn't know what it was (not a TOS fan). Nice catch! --Redwall 22:41, 4 February 2006 (EST)
- So that's what they were called! I remember seeing them, made me smile when I watched the episode a 2nd time. --Bane Grievver 22:28, 4 February 2006 (EST)
Where did the music come from?[edit]
I swear that I have heard the background music before... It starts right at the end of "So say we all", and bleeds over through the workout scene. Where is it from, it is making me crazy?!?
- The Deer Hunter. Also, please sign your comments. --Redwall 15:05, 5 February 2006 (EST)
- You may sign your comments by using the a string of four tildes: ~~~~. -- Joe Beaudoin 16:04, 5 February 2006 (EST)
- Thank you so much for the origin of the music. It makes even more sense now... Yikes what tie ins this show sneaks in. ~~ LeslieW
Picture[edit]
That's a cool pic and all, but it's already on the Scar (Raider) page, have the entire episode on my drive. I was trying to think of a scene that nicely summarized the whole episode, but I couldn't pick one. Any ideas on what I should take a cap of? --BMS 16:26, 5 February 2006 (EST)
- The first screen after Kat shoots him, immediately after his wing gets sheered off and there's a cloud of blood everywhere...but not TOO long after that, because as he crashes he gets so banged up that at the end you can't tell it's a Raider anymore; the FIRST shot, just as the wing comes off. Also, possibly one of Scar coming out of the sun just as Starbuck puts her finger up, or one of them fighting him with contrails coming off of their Vipers because of the dust. Upload a few and we'll pick. --Ricimer 16:29, 5 February 2006 (EST)
- I thought about the sun one, but it makes a poor cap. Here are the other two, plus one I thought was good as well:
- File:Scar-Death.png File:Scar-Starbuck Contrails.png File:Scar-Firing.png
- Any other ideas, lemme know. --BMS 22:47, 5 February 2006 (EST)
- I like the "Scar-Firing" picture, the right most one. It's easy to see without actually having to click on it. --Bane Grievver 22:56, 5 February 2006 (EST)
