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Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta.  Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda.  If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta.  Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda.  If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
* OK, that's weird. Why is your datestamp 7 months from now? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


== I Don't Agree ==
== I Don't Agree ==

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Someone to Watch Over Me according to producer Mark Verheiden. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--Werthead 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

And what's with Bill Adama agonizing over the Cylon goop being put into Galactica? Granted it's not what he would like, but Adama has always shown himself to be a pragmatist. He knows he has no choice. He even admits it during his drunken binge with Tigh. The Adama we know from the past hasn't agonized over forced choices once they've been made. Again, why the sudden shift in character? It's jarring to the point of unbelievability.

And what's Adama up to giving Baltar guns? Has he lost his mind? Didn't we just have a bloody mutiny on Galactica over the whole idea of Cylon's integrating into the fleet? As I recall, Adama was on the pro-Cylon side -- again, because he's a pragmatist, not out of any love of the Cylons. Now he's acting like he fears the Cylons all over again, despite the fact his XO is one and Tyrol is once again in charge of the deck. The rebel Cylons basically saved Roslin's life. They are helping repair the Galactica. They've practically prostrated themselves at the mercy of the humans. At what point do our half-blind humans finally realize these Cylons are different? That they're trying to help?

Gaius's "last human solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta. Something must be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda. If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.Prisoner881 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

  • OK, that's weird. Why is your datestamp 7 months from now? 23skidoo 01:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I Don't Agree[edit]

First of all, Baltar said what he said to Adama just to get the guns. He knew he'd only get them if he appealed to Adama's pro-human side, which he did. He probably meant none of it (Baltar, anit-Cylon? He gave one of the sixes a nuke!).

Secondly, love is far from logical, and Ellen (at least, is implied) is in love with Saul, hence she will not be logical, and cast him down. He's been unfaithful with her daughter, effectively; all logic goes out of the window.

(reply) But what could Baltar have possibly said that could've motivated Adama to give weapons to civilians? And mot just any civilians but brainwashed ones? And while I'll readily concede love is anything but logical, if I had to describe the "No Exit" Ellen with just one adjective, it would be "rational." But in this episode she's completely irrational. It's like those stupid romantic comedies where everyone must misbehave in exactly the wrong way at the wrong time in order to draw the wrong conclusion and perform the wrong action...all of which is tidied up in the third act. BSG is better than that, which is why I'm so disappointed in this episode.--Prisoner881 23:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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The one question I still can't figure out... is how the hell did Boomer find Galactica in a Raptor? If Boomer could find it so easily, couldn't Cavil?

Just thinking... Ghostalker