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This community exhorts users to be bold in updating articles.
This community exhorts users to be bold in updating articles.
Wikis develop faster when people fix problems, correct grammar, add facts, make sure the language is precise, and so on.
[[Wikipedia:Wiki|Wiki]]s develop faster when people fix problems, correct grammar, add facts, make sure the language is precise, and so on.
It's okay.
It's okay.
It's what everyone expects.
It's what everyone expects.
Instead of asking, "Why aren't these pages copyedited?", you should fix the problems you see yourself.
Instead of asking, "[[Wikipedia:Why aren't these pages copy-edited|Why aren't these pages copyedited]]?", you should fix the problems you see yourself.
It does require some amount of politeness, but it works.
It does require some amount of politeness, but it works.
You'll see.


If someone writes an inferior article, article stub, or outright [[wikipedia:patent nonsense|patent nonsense]], don't worry about their feelings. Correct it, add to it, and, if it's a total waste of time, consider the following options:
If someone writes an inferior, merely humorous article, article stub, or outright [[wikipedia:patent nonsense|patent nonsense]], don't worry about their feelings. Correct it, add to it, and, if it's a total waste of time, replace it with [[wikipedia:brilliant prose|brilliant prose]] (and relegate the deletions to [[Wikipedia:bad jokes and other deleted nonsense|bad jokes and other deleted nonsense]] or the corresponding [[Wikipedia:talk page|talk page]]). That's the nature of a Wiki.


* Place a <nowiki>{{merge}}</nowiki> tag on the article to move the content to an existing article.
For the most part, the instinctive desire of an author to "own" what he or she has written is counterproductive here, and it is good to shake up that emotional attachment by making sweeping changes at will when it improves the result.  
* Delete the content and redirect the article to the most germane article related to it.
* Mark the article for deletion by using the <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{deletebecause}}</nowiki> tags, adding your reasons why on the article's talk page.
 
That's the nature of a Wiki: to continually improve, concise, and expand itself as necessary.
 
For the most part, the instinctive desire of an author to "own" what he or she has written is counterproductive here, and it is good to shake up that emotional attachment by making sweeping changes at will when it improves the result. On Battlestar Wiki, the feeling of ownership can be strong as we allow Point of View supposition, provided that your suppositions are based on aired content.
And of course, others here will boldly and mercilessly edit what ''you'' write.
And of course, others here will boldly and mercilessly edit what ''you'' write.
Don't take it personally. They, like all of us, just want to make Battlestar Wiki as good as it can possibly be.
Don't take it personally. They, like all of us, just want to make this Wikipedia as good as it can possibly be.


==...but don't be reckless!==
==...but don't be reckless!==
New users in particular are often entranced by the openness of Battlestar Wiki and dive right in. That's a good thing. But please note: ''be bold in updating pages'' does ''not'' mean that you should make deletions or major changes to long articles on complex, controversial subjects with long histories, such as [[Cylon agent speculation]] or [[Galactica (RDM)]]. In many such cases, the text as you find it has come into being after long and arduous negotiations between [[:Category:Wikipedians|Wikipedians]] of diverse backgrounds and points of view. An incautious edit to such an article can be akin to stirring up a hornet's nest, and other users who are involved in the page may react angrily. Even so, the editing of gross grammatical errors is welcome.
New users in particular are often entranced by the openness of ''[[Battlestar Wiki]]'' and dive right in. That's a good thing. But please note: ''be bold in updating pages'' does ''not'' mean that you should make deletions to long articles on complex, controversial subjects with long histories, such as [[re-imagining]] or [[God]]. In many such cases, the text as you find it has come into being after long and arduous negotiations between [[:Category:Wikipedians|Wikipedians]] of diverse backgrounds and points of view. An incautious edit to such an article can be akin to stirring up a hornet's nest, and other users who are involved in the page may react angrily. Even so, the editing of gross grammatical errors is welcome.


If you encounter an article on a controversial subject that you would like to edit, it's a good idea to first read the article in its entirety, read the comments on the talk page, and view the ''Page history'' to get a sense of how the article came into being and what its current status is.  
If you encounter an article on a controversial subject that you would like to edit, it's a good idea to first read the article in its entirety, read the comments on the talk page, and view the ''Page history'' to get a sense of how the article came into being and what its current status is.  
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If you are an experienced [[Wikipedia:Wikipedian|Wikipedian]], you will probably have a good sense of which edits will be accepted, and which should be discussed first.  
If you are an experienced [[Wikipedia:Wikipedian|Wikipedian]], you will probably have a good sense of which edits will be accepted, and which should be discussed first.  


If you are new to Battlestar Wiki, or unsure how others will view your contributions, and you want to change or delete anything substantial in the text, you are advised to either:
If you are new to Wikipedia, or unsure how others will view your contributions, and you want to change or delete anything substantial in the text, you are advised to either:


#Copy the content in question to the Talk page, and list your objections there (if the material in question is a sentence or so in length)
#Copy it to the [[Wikipedia:Talk page|Talk page]] and list your objections there (if the material in question is a sentence or so in length)
#List your objections on the Talk page, but leave the main article as is (if the material is substantially longer than a sentence)
#List your objections on the Talk page, but leave the main article as is (if the material is substantially longer than a sentence)


Then, wait a bit (a minimum time of 1 day is good) for responses. If no one objects, proceed, but always document any large changes you've made on the article's talk page so that other people will understand your changes and will be able to follow the history of the page.  Also, make sure to leave a descriptive edit summary detailing your change and reasoning. The Edit Summary field is normally located just above the "Save Changes" button when in edit mode in an article.
Then, wait a bit for responses. If no one objects, proceed, but always move large deletions to Talk and list your objections to the text so that other people will understand your changes and will be able to follow the history of the page.  Also make sure to leave a descriptive [[Wikipedia:edit summary|edit summary]] detailing your change and reasoning.


Also, show respect for the ''status quo''. Avoid making major changes to an article if a vote (or poll) about whether those changes should be made is currently in progress, especially if there is no clear consensus.
Also, show respect for the ''status quo''. Avoid making major changes to an article if a vote (or poll) about whether those changes should be made is currently in progress, especially if there is no clear consensus.
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==Don't let that scare you off!==
==Don't let that scare you off!==
With the vast majority of articles, feel free to dive right in and make broad changes as you see fit. There are a few sensitive subjects, such as the content on the [[Galactica type battlestar]] article, where caution is better advised because contributors have taken great pains to verify the canonical information there. You'll likely recognize articles such as these right away. And even if you don't, as long as you have an appetite for debate, '''being bold''' is generally a defensible position '''IF''' you have your [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|official source on hand]] to show others that proves your point. You're unlikely to be the first person to have made a change to a controversial article, and you certainly won't be the last. That said, contributions that add new facts and information to an article are likely to be more welcome than contributions that just delete some of the content.
But with the vast majority of articles, feel free to dive right in and make broad changes as you see fit. It's only with a few very sensitive subjects that caution is better advised, and you'll recognize those right away. And even if you don't, as long as you have an appetite for debate, '''being bold''' is generally a defensible position. You're unlikely to be the first person to have made a change to a controversial article, and you certainly won't be the last. That said, contributions that add new facts and information to an article are likely to be more welcome than contributions that just delete some of the content.
 
An important point: Battlestar Wiki deals with the events of a fictional universe. The articles of actual Earth items (the cast and crew, for instance) should be written in neutral POV as with similar articles found on other MediaWiki sites such as Wikipedia. Battlestar Wiki's goal is to document and "flesh out" the workings of stories, characters, situations, and objects that are generated by official sources. In short, while you might find some interesting stuff on somebody's web site that makes up some story about Lee Adama's love child with Laura Roslin, this kind of unsubstatiated stuff is probably ''[[Fan fiction]]'', which is not allowed on Battlestar Wiki. Never introduce such unofficial material on this wiki; there are plenty of other contributors ready to take any contribution like this (no matter how many hours you spent typing) and delete it with little or no debate. Read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]]: Live it, learn it, do it.


==Actions and edits with wide-spread effects==
==Actions and edits with wide-spread effects==
Some caution is also advised if your changes affect many other pages, such as editing a template or moving a highly linked-to page. While not required, it is recommended that before making this type of major change you familiarize yourself with the relevant policy or guideline (such as [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|naming conventions]] if contemplating a page move). Also, it is considered polite to be willing to fix any problems created (such as broken redirects or formatting problems) in the affected articles.
Some caution is also advised if your changes affect many other pages, such as editing a template or moving a highly linked-to page. While not required, it is recommended that before making this type of major change you familiarize yourself with the relevant policy or guideline (such as [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions]] if contemplating a page move). Also, it is considered polite to be willing to fix any problems created (such as broken redirects or formatting problems) in the affected articles.


==See also==
==See also==
*[[Battlestar Wiki:Tutorial|How to edit a page on Battlestar Wiki]]
*[[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
*[[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Battlestar Wiki's Standards and Conventions]]
*[[Wikipedia:Editing policy|Editing policy]]
*[[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Battlestar Wiki Official Sources Policy]]


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This is a derivative work from Wikipedia's Be bold in updating pages, which is permissible under the GNU FDL license. All related edits will be released under this same license.

This community exhorts users to be bold in updating articles. Wikis develop faster when people fix problems, correct grammar, add facts, make sure the language is precise, and so on. It's okay. It's what everyone expects. Instead of asking, "Why aren't these pages copyedited?", you should fix the problems you see yourself. It does require some amount of politeness, but it works. You'll see.

If someone writes an inferior, merely humorous article, article stub, or outright patent nonsense, don't worry about their feelings. Correct it, add to it, and, if it's a total waste of time, replace it with brilliant prose (and relegate the deletions to bad jokes and other deleted nonsense or the corresponding talk page). That's the nature of a Wiki.

For the most part, the instinctive desire of an author to "own" what he or she has written is counterproductive here, and it is good to shake up that emotional attachment by making sweeping changes at will when it improves the result. And of course, others here will boldly and mercilessly edit what you write. Don't take it personally. They, like all of us, just want to make this Wikipedia as good as it can possibly be.

...but don't be reckless!

New users in particular are often entranced by the openness of Battlestar Wiki and dive right in. That's a good thing. But please note: be bold in updating pages does not mean that you should make deletions to long articles on complex, controversial subjects with long histories, such as re-imagining or God. In many such cases, the text as you find it has come into being after long and arduous negotiations between Wikipedians of diverse backgrounds and points of view. An incautious edit to such an article can be akin to stirring up a hornet's nest, and other users who are involved in the page may react angrily. Even so, the editing of gross grammatical errors is welcome.

If you encounter an article on a controversial subject that you would like to edit, it's a good idea to first read the article in its entirety, read the comments on the talk page, and view the Page history to get a sense of how the article came into being and what its current status is.

If you are an experienced Wikipedian, you will probably have a good sense of which edits will be accepted, and which should be discussed first.

If you are new to Wikipedia, or unsure how others will view your contributions, and you want to change or delete anything substantial in the text, you are advised to either:

  1. Copy it to the Talk page and list your objections there (if the material in question is a sentence or so in length)
  2. List your objections on the Talk page, but leave the main article as is (if the material is substantially longer than a sentence)

Then, wait a bit for responses. If no one objects, proceed, but always move large deletions to Talk and list your objections to the text so that other people will understand your changes and will be able to follow the history of the page. Also make sure to leave a descriptive edit summary detailing your change and reasoning.

Also, show respect for the status quo. Avoid making major changes to an article if a vote (or poll) about whether those changes should be made is currently in progress, especially if there is no clear consensus.

With that said, as long as your thinking is rational, as long as your changes are rational, and as long as you write thorough edit summaries (and even thorough explanations in Talk pages), be bold.

Don't let that scare you off!

But with the vast majority of articles, feel free to dive right in and make broad changes as you see fit. It's only with a few very sensitive subjects that caution is better advised, and you'll recognize those right away. And even if you don't, as long as you have an appetite for debate, being bold is generally a defensible position. You're unlikely to be the first person to have made a change to a controversial article, and you certainly won't be the last. That said, contributions that add new facts and information to an article are likely to be more welcome than contributions that just delete some of the content.

Actions and edits with wide-spread effects

Some caution is also advised if your changes affect many other pages, such as editing a template or moving a highly linked-to page. While not required, it is recommended that before making this type of major change you familiarize yourself with the relevant policy or guideline (such as Wikipedia:Naming conventions if contemplating a page move). Also, it is considered polite to be willing to fix any problems created (such as broken redirects or formatting problems) in the affected articles.

See also