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<div>{{Episode Data<br />
| image=4x06 - Faith - Promo 1.jpg<br />
| title= Faith<br />
| season= 4<br />
| episode= 6<br />
| forumthread= 1040<br />
| guests=<br />
| writer=[[Seamus Kevin Fahey]]<br />
| story=<br />
| director=[[Michael Nankin]]<br />
| production=408<br />
| rating=<br />
| US airdate=9 May 2008<br />
| CAN airdate=9 May 2008<br />
| UK airdate=13 May 2008<br />
| dvd=<br />
| oldpopulation=39676<br />
| population=39675<br />
| prev= [[The Road Less Traveled]]<br />
| next= [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner]]<br />
| imdb=0993930<br />
| hulu=Y<br />
}}<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
:''The cancer-stricken President [[Laura Roslin]] and hotheaded pilot [[Kara Thrace]] both must make difficult leaps of faith in order to accept an uneasy alliance with the Cylons.''<br />
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== Summary ==<br />
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=== Teaser ===<br />
*Angry and defiant at [[Karl Agathon]]'s refusal to [[The Road Less Traveled|obey orders]] to travel to a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], [[Kara Thrace]] attempts to jump the ship herself when [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] restrains her.<br />
*Agathon orders [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to jump the ship back to ''Galactica''. [[Samuel Anders]] points out that they will be returning as mutineers, but Agathon responds that Admiral Adama will sort things out.<br />
*Anders intervenes with a sidearm, shooting Gaeta in the leg to stop him from following Agathon's order to jump back to the Fleet. Chaos ensues as Marines arrive.<br />
*Everyone stands down as Gaeta is attended to, in severe pain from a leg wound.<br />
*Realizing that taking the ''[[Demetrius]]'' itself to the baseship would be too great a risk, Thrace rescinds her original order, suggesting to fly their only [[Raptor]] to the baseship with Athena and Anders as crew, taking [[Leoben Conoy]] with them. Agathon initially objects but realizes it's the best compromise. He tells her that she has only 15 hours to complete her mission before the ''Demetrius'' must jump to rendezvous with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] or be left behind.<br />
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===Act 1===<br />
*[[Tory Foster]] is packing things up on ''[[Colonial One]]''. [[Laura Roslin]] is at her desk, bald and not wearing her wig. She tells Foster to keep things going as she finishes the last two [[diloxin]] treatments, where she'll be on ''[[Galactica]]'' and indisposed during that time. Roslin tries to encourage Foster to watch out for sudden moves by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]].<br />
*On day 58 of their mission, the crew prepares the Raptor. Athena promises to work with Thrace as does [[Jean Barolay]], who appreciates Thrace's strong reputation.<br />
*The Raptor jumps and finds a massive graveyard of dead baseships and [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] floating dead in space. Thrace is amazed. They are by a large gas giant in a trinary star system, just as her visions suggested.<br />
*On the ''Demetrius'', Gaeta is heavily medicated with [[morpha]] for the pain. He asks Agathon not to have Dr. [[Cottle]] amputate his leg, as he realizes that the longer he doesn't get advanced care, the more likely [[w:gangrene|gangrene]] will set in.<br />
*The Raptor carefully searches for the baseship amidst the exploding ordnance. Thrace can hear "music" (Leoben confirms this is a rare trait among some Cylons as well) and takes control to fly the Raptor towards the gas giant. She sees the comet she expected, but not in the form; Leoben's stricken baseship is flying past, trailing gas that gives it a comet-like appearance.<br />
*When approaching the baseship, the Raptor is hit by a piece of debris hurtled at them from an explosion and impacting the cockpit canopy.<br />
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===Act 2===<br />
*Thrace awakens to find the Raptor safely landed within the baseship interior.<br />
*Athena arrives to find herself surrounded by an army of other [[Number Eight]]s, who recognize her independence from all things Cylon. They ask her to help mutiny against the [[Number Six|Sixes]], whom they feel have been making a series of mistakes. Athena rejects them, telling them to find their own individuality and help her or get out of her way.<br />
*In sickbay, amidst [[Gaius Baltar]]'s voice on [[wireless]] discussing his [[God (RDM)|God]], Roslin encounters a woman in [[sickbay]], [[Emily Kowalski]], who is gravely ill with cancer as well. When Roslin tries to turn off the wireless and Baltar, the woman becomes very upset and yells for Roslin to leave.<br />
*Thrace's meeting with the surviving leaders of the baseship does not go well, but Leoben succeeds in convincing [[Natalie]] that they must work together.<br />
*Athena accesses the [[datastream]] to determine how to mate the Raptor's jump drive to the baseship. Doing so requires disconnecting the Hybrid. As the group preps, Anders slowly reaches down to touch the [[data-font]] but pulls his hand back when Thrace calls his name.<br />
*A Six sees [[Jean Barolay]] and recognizes her as the human who killed her on [[New Caprica]]. When Barolay doesn't show any remorse and says she would do the same again, the Six attacks her and smashes her head into the Raptor's hull, which kills Barolay. Anders pounces on the Six and is ready to kill the Cylon when Thrace manages to talk him down.<br />
*The Six that killed Barolay speaks to Natalie, obviously dealing with psychological trauma from the death on New Caprica that she had not been able to shake. After kissing the distraught Six, Natalie grabs Anders's hand and pulls the trigger on his gun, killing the Six permanently as there is no [[Resurrection Ship]] nearby, carrying out a form of justice for the Colonials, who are shocked. <br />
*Roslin meets again with Emily Kowalski, who gives her a scarf, a present. The two make small talk of what they will do after they get well. She warns Roslin that her sickness will get worse and to be prepared.<br />
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===Act 3===<br />
*Thrace arrives in the Hybrid's chamber, who seems to ignore her, discussing ship functions but repeating one phrase in particular.<br />
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*In sickbay, Emily Kowalski tells Roslin why she listens to Baltar. After speaking to Cottle, she tells of a dream where she saw people standing on the opposite side of a river: dead loved ones. She felt a presence, a warm loving presence that calmed her. Roslin questions the dream but Emily notes that the dream is real.<br />
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*Thrace and Natalie continue to listen to the [[Hybrid utterances|Hybrid's utterances]]. Leoben instructs Thrace to listen carefully, not to hurry the construct.<br />
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*Athena is ready to activate the jump augmentations and disconnect the Hybrid. Irritated at getting nowhere with the Hybrid, Thrace orders the jump.<br />
*When it is unplugged, the Hybrid makes an inhuman scream, which causes a guarding [[Cylon Centurion]] (still in [[Telencephalic inhibitor|sentient mode]]) to fire in defense, severely wounding an Eight before the group manages to take the Centurion down.<br />
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*The Hybrid gives Thrace a coherent message as the Eight's blood mixes with the fluid in her tank: The dying leader will discover the truth about the [[Opera House]], the missing Three will be used to find the Five, who come from the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], and that she, Thrace, is the harbinger of death that will take all to their end. Thrace is horrified at the message. The Hybrid then deactivates.<br />
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*Kowalski and Roslin continue to discuss the authenticity of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] and Baltar's God. Roslin becomes upset when she talks of her mother's death from cancer and the striking lack of anything noble or calming at that moment. As Kowalski tries to comfort her, the woman suddenly has a violent seizure of pain. Cottle arrives with medication, but tells Roslin that there's not much they can do for Kowalski now.<br />
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===Act 4===<br />
*As the group waits, the dying Eight speaks to Athena, who reaches out for her, but hesitates when she wants to touch her hand. Anders steps in to tenderly comfort the Cylon as she dies, astonished at how similar she is to a human.<br />
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*The group deciphers the Hybrid's message. All come to the conclusion that the final five Cylons came from the Thirteenth Tribe and so must also know the way to Earth. The boxed [[Number Three]]s will lead them to the Final Five. Anders is unnerved by the conversation, likely fearing the exposure of his Cylon identity. The group leave to meet the ''Demetrius'', with Anders leaving last, still puzzled that he is drawn to help the Eight.<br />
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*Kowalski's vision of a river comes to pass in a dream Roslin experiences. The two stand on a boat, looking at a shore where human figures begin to appear, smiling and waving at Kowalski. Kowalski disappears to meet them, materializing on the shore. Roslin feels joy, then sees her own mother, smiling and waiting for Roslin to join her. She tells her she is not yet ready, stepping away from the boat's side, as the dream ends.<br />
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*Awakening from her dream, Roslin goes to see Kowalski but finds her bed empty. She died some time while she slept. Only her wireless receiver remains, still switched on.<br />
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*''Demetrius'' is prepping to leave as seconds count down but Agathon lets the clock run over in hesitation and to the crew's apprehension. Seconds before he is about to order the jump, the baseship arrives and broadcasts Colonial ID. Wireless contact is established with Athena, who reports that the baseship has been secured, much to Agathon's relief, and both ships prepare to join ''Galactica'' and the fleet.<br />
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*On ''Galactica'', Roslin meets with [[William Adama]] in his quarters. She tells him that something may be truthful in Baltar's words, but Adama is reluctant. A sorrowful Adama talks of Thrace's death and return, [[Lee Adama|his son's]] [[Crossroads, Part I|resignation from the military]], and laments all the crew he sent with Thrace, wondering if he will see them again. But Roslin comforts him. The two smile as Adama tells her that Roslin helped him to believe that they really will find Earth.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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*Baltar's wireless broadcast contains a number of phrases from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy of Hamlet, including "shuffle off this mortal coil," and "the undiscover'd country, from whose bourn no traveler returns." These phrases refer to death and the afterlife, respectively. The full text of the soliloquy can be found [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Hamlet%2C_Prince_of_Denmark/Act_3 here].<br />
*Meanwhile, the Hybrid's repeated speech borrows text from the Biblical book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 13 to 17.<br />
* The comet/drifting baseship bears a visual resemblance to the [[Ship of Lights]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], both in the painting and reality.<br />
* This episode marks the third time Laura Roslin discusses her family in any detail, and the first time viewers see an image of Roslin's mother. (The first mention, also involving her mother's fight with cancer, was in "[[Act of Contrition]]" in Season 1.)<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
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===General===<br />
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* Some of the writers' misdirection from "[[He That Believeth in Me]]" becomes clear. The "giant gas planet with rings", assumed to be [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[w:Saturn|Saturn]], is revealed to be at the site of the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon battle]]. Moreover, the comet is a damaged and drifting basestar. This also explains how Conoy was able to help Thrace paint the scene in the previous episode, since he had already witnessed it himself.<br />
* A close-up of Kara Thrace in the Hybrid's chamber evokes the [[Eye of Jupiter]], with Thrace's blue eye at the center, ringed by her bloodied eyebrow and blonde hair.<br />
* With its inhibitor removed, the Centurion in the Hybrid's chamber seems visibly more aware of its environment. It turns its head to gaze at each member of the group as they enter, and again at Thrace as she questions the Hybrid. This contrasts with what was seen previously, when Centurions on guard duty simply stand immobile unless they perceive a threat, or are given a direct order.<br />
* [[Jean Barolay|Barolay]]'s sudden death after the Six attacks her indicates that the Six's blows and delivered concussions caused internal bleeding into Barolay's brain.<br />
* Another aspect of Cylon culture is alluded to in regards to the importance of touch, especially amongst with how Cylons interact amongst their own specific models. For example, before Natalie executes the Six who murdered Barolay, they kiss each other. When the Eight who was shot by the Centurion is dying, she asks for Athena's forgiveness in her attempt to lead a mutiny, and stretches out her hand to touch Athena's. However, Athena refuses, and Anders steps in to provide that sense of touch before she dies. This interaction amongst the models within their own model number may be a reflection of being "with each other", especially in times of certain death. Something like this was seen earlier in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]", where the dying Cylons aboard the stricken basestar link hands in prayer.<br />
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===Religion===<br />
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* Even though Baltar is preaching for the "one true [[God (RDM)|God]]", the symbolism of a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead is very similar to the Greek legends involving the [[w:Styx|River Styx]]. It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his teachings from an established religion that people are familiar with. This also parallels the rise of Christianity, which adopted things from other religions, including some rites of the established Roman polytheistic religions.<br />
* Emily Kowalski's description of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] and their behavior is quite consistent with that of Greek mythology.<br />
* When speaking of her mother's death, Laura Roslin mentions the [[w:Elysium|Fields of Elysium]], a portion of the Greek underworld where heroic or virtuous souls end up after death that bears a resemblance to heaven in Christianity. It appears that the Colonials view of the afterlife is almost identical to that of the ancient Greeks.<br />
*Roslin believes that the Lords of Kobol are not to be taken seriously but are metaphors. Roslin's mother took them more literally. This mirrors real life in which some people take the Jewish [[w:Torah|Torah]] ([[w:Old Testament|Old Testament]]), the Christian Bible ([[w:New Testament|New Testament]]) and the Islamic [[w:Koran|Koran]] as literal word for word truth and an accurate record of events, while others believe the stories are metaphors to be used as guidelines in life, but not hard pronouncements or actual history.<br />
* The [[Hybrid utterances|hybrid utterance]] "All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly." appears to be a paraphrase of a line from the [[w:Theosophy|theosophical]] text "[[w:At the Feet of the Master|At the Feet of the Master]]"<br />
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===Characters===<br />
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* The Eights' attempt to recruit Athena to lead a mutiny against the Sixes and presumably the Twos reveal an apparent character flaw that is prevalent amongst this particular model. Their ties to allegiances, loyalty to a cause are not as strong as their fellow Cylon models, should those ties and beliefs cause suffering or death.<br />
** This is also a somewhat ironic twist, as Athena and others aboard the ''Demetrius'' were encouraging Karl Agathon to initiate their own mutiny against Thrace just hours earlier. However, Athena is likely referring to her allegiance to the Colonials as a whole, which has not diminished.<br />
* While the Sixes and the Twos are willing to initiate the search for the Final Five because of their specific strong religious beliefs, the Eights apparently join them not because of a desire in unraveling the mystery, so much as because it grants them the opportunity to say "no" to their programming.<br />
* Though the word "faith" is never explicitly spoken throughout the episode, multiple allusions to the idea of trust are provided through the characters' interactions with each other. This is especially evident in the multiple times the phrase "...with you" appears in the dialog. When the Eight that is shot by the Centurion is dying, Anders holds her arm and tells her that he is with her. When Roslin and Adama speak with each other, Roslin tells Adama, after he pours out his feelings of uncertainty and doubt, she tells him that she is with him.<br />
* Athena also shows deep conflict within herself in this episode in regards to her nature as a Cylon as seen in multiple scenes. Conoy's words to her about how their trip is a "home coming" for Athena causes an immediate response. Later, when the Eights touch her and attempt to recruit her, she expresses disgust with them, but possibly including herself. Her declaration of choosing a side and sticking to it may be something she needs to hear more than they do. When Anders takes out his gun to execute the Six, it is Athena who also takes out her gun to defend the "human" and refers to herself as a human. Finally, her refusal to hold the dying Eight's hand shows a reluctance of being seen as a Cylon and that she is not with them.<br />
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== Questions == <br />
* Are the Centurions capable of getting an IFF signal from a humanoid Cylon, like a Raider does? Could one have exposed Anders if he had made direct eye contact?<br />
* What does the Hybrid's statement that the five come from the home of the thirteenth mean?<br />
** Were they made on Earth, the home of the thirteenth tribe? Or did they voyage to Earth from Cylon/Colonial space and then return?<br />
** Does "the thirteenth" refer to "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]" mentioned in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", to whom the [[Temple of Five]] was dedicated?<br />
* Will Thrace tell anyone about the Hybrid calling her "the harbinger of death"? Does anyone else hear the Hybrid's words to her?<br />
* Will Helo and the others have to answer for their mutiny?<br />
* How will Gaeta's injury affect his duties? Will his leg be amputated?<br />
* What would have happened if Anders had put his hand in the [[data-font]]?<br />
* Why should the Cylons have any trouble figuring out the Raptor's FTL system? They have previously used Raptors ([[Torn]]).<br />
* Why are the Raiders' FTL systems unsuitable?<br />
* How will the Fleet respond when the ''Demetrius'' returns with the shipwrecked basestar in tow?<br />
* Without Natalie's help, would Anders have been able to pull the trigger to execute the Six?<br />
* Does the revelation that the Final Five are from Earth and can lead the fleet to it encourage the hidden Four to reveal themselves?<br />
* How will the Cylon rebels unbox the Threes?<br />
* Is Natalie's baseship the last place where there are Sixs, Twos, and Eights?<br />
* Why did the Cavils' forces leave one baseship largely intact?<br />
* Will Barolay's death, despite the execution of the Six, affect the truce amongst the Colonials once they discover that two from the ''Demetrius'' mission are dead?<br />
* Is Conoy the only Two left amongst the Cylon rebels?<br />
* Why is Athena chosen to speak to the ''Demetrius'', given that another Eight could easily impersonate her?<br />
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== Official Statements == <br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
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* ''An [[Eight]] discussing mutiny with [[Sharon Agathon]]:''<br />
: '''Sharon Agathon:''' You guys make me sick.<br />
: '''Eight:''' Why?<br />
: '''Agathon:''' Because you pick your side and you stick. You don't cut and run when things get ugly. Otherwise you'll never have anything. No love. No family. No life to call your own.<br />
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* ''[[Emily Kowalski]] and [[Laura Roslin]] discuss the [[Lords of Kobol]]:''<br />
: '''Emily Kowalski:''' Oh, Laura. And the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] are real? Reigning from a metaphysical mountaintop in those silly outfits? [[Zeus]]? Handing out fates out of an urn like they were lottery tickets? 'You're gonna work on a [[tylium]] ship. You're gonna be an admiral. Your family's gonna be evaporated in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|an attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]] but you'll survive for three more years on a moldy compartment on a freighter 'til your body starts to eat itself up alive.' Those are the gods that you worship? Capricious, vindictive...<br />
: '''Laura Roslin:''' But they're not meant to be taken literally. They're metaphors, Emily.<br />
: '''Kowalski:''' I don't need metaphors. I need answers.<br />
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* ''Laura Roslin on her mother's death:''<br />
: "You're like my mother. She wasn't satisfied with metaphors either. She was convinced that [[Aphrodite]] herself was gonna swoop her away when she died. And she believed it even when the [[diloxin]] and the radiation failed to stop her cancer. She was a teacher! She was... oh, she was something to behold. And the head of a classroom. And her students— Her students loved her. They'd walk through fire for her and then they see this woman who seemed so eternal. She withered away and I find myself having to change her diaper because she couldn't even— At the moment she died there was no gleaming fields of Elysium stretched out before her. There was this dark, black abyss. And she was terrified. She was so scared."<br />
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== Guest Stars ==<br />
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* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon]]<br />
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]<br />
* [[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]<br />
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]<br />
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]<br />
* [[Nana Visitor]] as [[Emily Kowalski]]<br />
* [[Alana Husband]] as Nurse [[Sashon]]<br />
* [[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br />
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== References ==<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=313]<br />
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<div>{{Episode Data<br />
| image=4x06 - Faith - Promo 1.jpg<br />
| title= Faith<br />
| season= 4<br />
| episode= 6<br />
| forumthread= 1040<br />
| guests=<br />
| writer=[[Seamus Kevin Fahey]]<br />
| story=<br />
| director=[[Michael Nankin]]<br />
| production=408<br />
| rating=<br />
| US airdate=9 May 2008<br />
| CAN airdate=9 May 2008<br />
| UK airdate=13 May 2008<br />
| dvd=<br />
| oldpopulation=39676<br />
| population=39675<br />
| prev= [[The Road Less Traveled]]<br />
| next= [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner]]<br />
| imdb=0993930<br />
| hulu=Y<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
:''The cancer-stricken President [[Laura Roslin]] and hotheaded pilot [[Kara Thrace]] both must make difficult leaps of faith in order to accept an uneasy alliance with the Cylons.''<br />
<br />
== Summary ==<br />
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=== Teaser ===<br />
*Angry and defiant at [[Karl Agathon]]'s refusal to [[The Road Less Traveled|obey orders]] to travel to a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], [[Kara Thrace]] attempts to jump the ship herself when [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] restrains her.<br />
*Agathon orders [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to jump the ship back to ''Galactica''. [[Samuel Anders]] points out that they will be returning as mutineers, but Agathon responds that Admiral Adama will sort things out.<br />
*Anders intervenes with a sidearm, shooting Gaeta in the leg to stop him from following Agathon's order to jump back to the Fleet. Chaos ensues as Marines arrive.<br />
*Everyone stands down as Gaeta is attended to, in severe pain from a leg wound.<br />
*Realizing that taking the ''[[Demetrius]]'' itself to the baseship would be too great a risk, Thrace rescinds her original order, suggesting to fly their only [[Raptor]] to the baseship with Athena and Anders as crew, taking [[Leoben Conoy]] with them. Agathon initially objects but realizes it's the best compromise. He tells her that she has only 15 hours to complete her mission before the ''Demetrius'' must jump to rendezvous with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] or be left behind.<br />
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===Act 1===<br />
*[[Tory Foster]] is packing things up on ''[[Colonial One]]''. [[Laura Roslin]] is at her desk, bald and not wearing her wig. She tells Foster to keep things going as she finishes the last two [[diloxin]] treatments, where she'll be on ''[[Galactica]]'' and indisposed during that time. Roslin tries to encourage Foster to watch out for sudden moves by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]].<br />
*On day 58 of their mission, the crew prepares the Raptor. Athena promises to work with Thrace as does [[Jean Barolay]], who appreciates Thrace's strong reputation.<br />
*The Raptor jumps and finds a massive graveyard of dead baseships and [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] floating dead in space. Thrace is amazed. They are by a large gas giant in a trinary star system, just as her visions suggested.<br />
*On the ''Demetrius'', Gaeta is heavily medicated with [[morpha]] for the pain. He asks Agathon not to have Dr. [[Cottle]] amputate his leg, as he realizes that the longer he doesn't get advanced care, the more likely [[w:gangrene|gangrene]] will set in.<br />
*The Raptor carefully searches for the baseship amidst the exploding ordnance. Thrace can hear "music" (Leoben confirms this is a rare trait among some Cylons as well) and takes control to fly the Raptor towards the gas giant. She sees the comet she expected, but not in the form; Leoben's stricken baseship is flying past, trailing gas that gives it a comet-like appearance.<br />
*When approaching the baseship, the Raptor is hit by a piece of debris hurtled at them from an explosion and impacting the cockpit canopy.<br />
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===Act 2===<br />
*Thrace awakens to find the Raptor safely landed within the baseship interior.<br />
*Athena arrives to find herself surrounded by an army of other [[Number Eight]]s, who recognize her independence from all things Cylon. They ask her to help mutiny against the [[Number Six|Sixes]], whom they feel have been making a series of mistakes. Athena rejects them, telling them to find their own individuality and help her or get out of her way.<br />
*In sickbay, amidst [[Gaius Baltar]]'s voice on [[wireless]] discussing his [[God (RDM)|God]], Roslin encounters a woman in [[sickbay]], [[Emily Kowalski]], who is gravely ill with cancer as well. When Roslin tries to turn off the wireless and Baltar, the woman becomes very upset and yells for Roslin to leave.<br />
*Thrace's meeting with the surviving leaders of the baseship does not go well, but Leoben succeeds in convincing [[Natalie]] that they must work together.<br />
*Athena accesses the [[datastream]] to determine how to mate the Raptor's jump drive to the baseship. Doing so requires disconnecting the Hybrid. As the group preps, Anders slowly reaches down to touch the [[data-font]] but pulls his hand back when Thrace calls his name.<br />
*A Six sees [[Jean Barolay]] and recognizes her as the human who killed her on [[New Caprica]]. When Barolay doesn't show any remorse and says she would do the same again, the Six attacks her and smashes her head into the Raptor's hull, which kills Barolay. Anders pounces on the Six and is ready to kill the Cylon when Thrace manages to talk him down.<br />
*The Six that killed Barolay speaks to Natalie, obviously dealing with psychological trauma from the death on New Caprica that she had not been able to shake. After kissing the distraught Six, Natalie grabs Anders's hand and pulls the trigger on his gun, killing the Six permanently as there is no [[Resurrection Ship]] nearby, carrying out a form of justice for the Colonials, who are shocked. <br />
*Roslin meets again with Emily Kowalski, who gives her a scarf, a present. The two make small talk of what they will do after they get well. She warns Roslin that her sickness will get worse and to be prepared.<br />
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===Act 3===<br />
*Thrace arrives in the Hybrid's chamber, who seems to ignore her, discussing ship functions but repeating one phrase in particular.<br />
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*In sickbay, Emily Kowalski tells Roslin why she listens to Baltar. After speaking to Cottle, she tells of a dream where she saw people standing on the opposite side of a river: dead loved ones. She felt a presence, a warm loving presence that calmed her. Roslin questions the dream but Emily notes that the dream is real.<br />
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*Thrace and Natalie continue to listen to the [[Hybrid utterances|Hybrid's utterances]]. Leoben instructs Thrace to listen carefully, not to hurry the construct.<br />
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*Athena is ready to activate the jump augmentations and disconnect the Hybrid. Irritated at getting nowhere with the Hybrid, Thrace orders the jump.<br />
*When it is unplugged, the Hybrid makes an inhuman scream, which causes a guarding [[Cylon Centurion]] (still in [[Telencephalic inhibitor|sentient mode]]) to fire in defense, severely wounding an Eight before the group manages to take the Centurion down.<br />
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*The Hybrid gives Thrace a coherent message as the Eight's blood mixes with the fluid in her tank: The dying leader will discover the truth about the [[Opera House]], the missing Three will be used to find the Five, who come from the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], and that she, Thrace, is the harbinger of death that will take all to their end. Thrace is horrified at the message. The Hybrid then deactivates.<br />
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*Kowalski and Roslin continue to discuss the authenticity of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] and Baltar's God. Roslin becomes upset when she talks of her mother's death from cancer and the striking lack of anything noble or calming at that moment. As Kowalski tries to comfort her, the woman suddenly has a violent seizure of pain. Cottle arrives with medication, but tells Roslin that Kowalski's end is near.<br />
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===Act 4===<br />
*As the group waits, the dying Eight speaks to Athena, who reaches out for her, but hesitates when she wants to touch her hand. Anders steps in to tenderly comfort the Cylon as she dies, astonished at how similar she is to a human.<br />
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*The group deciphers the Hybrid's message. All come to the conclusion that the final five Cylons came from the Thirteenth Tribe and so must also know the way to Earth. The boxed [[Number Three]]s will lead them to the Final Five. Anders is unnerved by the conversation, likely fearing the exposure of his Cylon identity. The group leave to meet the ''Demetrius'', with Anders leaving last, still puzzled that he is drawn to help the Eight.<br />
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*Kowalski's vision of a river comes to pass in a dream Roslin experiences. The two stand on a boat, looking at a shore where human figures begin to appear, smiling and waving at Kowalski. Kowalski disappears to meet them, materializing on the shore. Roslin feels joy, then sees her own mother, smiling and waiting for Roslin to join her. She tells her she is not yet ready, stepping away from the boat's side, as the dream ends.<br />
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*Awakening from her dream, Roslin goes to see Kowalski but finds her bed empty. She died some time while she slept. Only her wireless receiver remains, still switched on.<br />
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*''Demetrius'' is prepping to leave as seconds count down but Agathon lets the clock run over in hesitation and to the crew's astonishment. Just as he is about to order the jump, the baseship arrives and broadcasts a Colonial identity. After communication is established, Agathon enthusiastically begins to prep both ships to leave for the Fleet.<br />
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*On ''Galactica'', Roslin meets with [[William Adama]] in his quarters. She tells him that something may be truthful in Baltar's words, but Adama is reluctant. A sorrowful Adama talks of Thrace's death and return, [[Lee Adama|his son's]] [[Crossroads, Part I|resignation from the military]], and laments all the crew he sent with Thrace, wondering if he will see them again. But Roslin comforts him. The two smile as Adama tells her that Roslin helped him to believe that they really will find Earth.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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*Baltar's radio broadcast contains a number of phrases from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy of Hamlet, including "shuffle off this mortal coil," and "the undiscover'd country, from whose bourn no traveler returns." These phrases refer to death and the afterlife, respectively. The full text of the soliloquy can be found [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Hamlet%2C_Prince_of_Denmark/Act_3 here].<br />
*Meanwhile, the Hybrid's repeated speech borrows text from the Biblical book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 13 to 17.<br />
* The comet/drifting baseship bears a visual resemblance to the [[Ship of Lights]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], both in the painting and reality.<br />
* This episode marks the second time Laura Roslin discusses her family in any detail, and the first time viewers see an image of Roslin's mother. (The first mention, also involving her mother's fight with cancer, was in "[[Act of Contrition]]" in Season 1.)<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
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===General===<br />
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* Some of the writers' misdirection from "[[He That Believeth in Me]]" becomes clear. The "giant gas planet with rings", assumed to be [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[w:Saturn|Saturn]], is revealed to be at the site of the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon battle]]. Moreover, the comet is a damaged and drifting basestar. This also explains how Conoy was able to help Thrace paint the scene in the previous episode, since he had already witnessed it himself.<br />
* A close-up of Kara Thrace in the Hybrid's chamber evokes the [[Eye of Jupiter]], with Thrace's blue eye at the center, ringed by her bloodied eyebrow and blonde hair.<br />
* With its inhibitor removed, the Centurion in the Hybrid's chamber seems visibly more aware of its environment. It turns its head to gaze at each member of the group as they enter, and again at Thrace as she questions the Hybrid. This contrasts with what was seen previously, when Centurions on guard duty simply stand immobile unless they perceive a threat, or are given a direct order.<br />
* [[Jean Barolay|Barolay]]'s sudden death after the Six attacks her indicates that the Six's blows and delivered concussions caused internal bleeding into Barolay's brain.<br />
* Another aspect of Cylon culture is alluded to in regards to the importance of touch, especially amongst with how Cylons interact amongst their own specific models. For example, before Natalie executes the Six who murdered Barolay, they kiss each other. When the Eight who was shot by the Centurion is dying, she asks for Athena's forgiveness in her attempt to lead a mutiny, and stretches out her hand to touch Athena's. However, Athena refuses, and Anders steps in to provide that sense of touch before she dies. This interaction amongst the models within their own model number may be a reflection of being "with each other", especially in times of certain death. Something like this was seen earlier in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]", where the dying Cylons aboard the stricken basestar link hands in prayer.<br />
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===Religion===<br />
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* Even though Baltar is preaching for the "one true [[God (RDM)|God]]", the symbolism of a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead is very similar to the Greek legends involving the [[w:Styx|River Styx]]. It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his teachings from an established religion that people are familiar with. This also parallels the rise of Christianity, which adopted things from other religions, including some rites of the established Roman polytheistic religions.<br />
* Emily Kowalski's description of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] and their behavior is quite consistent with that of Greek mythology.<br />
* When speaking of her mother's death, Laura Roslin mentions the [[w:Elysium|Fields of Elysium]], a portion of the Greek underworld where heroic or virtuous souls end up after death that bears a resemblance to heaven in Christianity. It appears that the Colonials view of the afterlife is almost identical to that of the ancient Greeks.<br />
*Roslin believes that the Lords of Kobol are not to be taken seriously but are metaphors. Roslin's mother took them more literally. This mirrors real life in which some people take the Jewish [[w:Torah|Torah]] ([[w:Old Testament|Old Testament]]), the Christian Bible ([[w:New Testament|New Testament]]) and the Islamic [[w:Koran|Koran]] as literal word for word truth and an accurate record of events, while others believe the stories are metaphors to be used as guidelines in life, but not hard pronouncements or actual history.<br />
* The [[Hybrid utterances|hybrid utterance]] "All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly." appears to be a paraphrase of a line from the [[w:Theosphical|Theosphical]] text "[[w:At the Feet of the Master|At the Feet of the Master]]"<br />
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===Characters===<br />
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* The Eights' attempt to recruit Athena to lead a mutiny against the Sixes and presumably the Twos reveal an apparent character flaw that is prevalent amongst this particular model. Their ties to allegiances, loyalty to a cause are not as strong as their fellow Cylon models, should those ties and beliefs cause suffering or death.<br />
** This is also a somewhat ironic twist, as Athena and others aboard the ''Demetrius'' were encouraging Karl Agathon to initiate their own mutiny against Thrace just hours earlier. However, Athena is likely referring to her allegiance to the Colonials as a whole, which has not diminished.<br />
* While the Sixes and the Twos are willing to initiate the search for the Final Five because of their specific strong religious beliefs, the Eights apparently join them not because of a desire in unraveling the mystery, but because it grants them the opportunity to say "no" to their programming.<br />
* Though the word "faith" is never explicitly spoken throughout the episode, multiple allusions to the idea of trust are provided through the characters' interactions with each other. This is especially evident in the multiple times the phrase "...with you" appears in the dialog. When the Eight that is shot by the Centurion is dying, Anders holds her arm and tells her that he is with her. When Roslin and Adama speak with each other, Roslin tells Adama, after he pours out his feelings of uncertainty and doubt, she tells him that she is with him.<br />
* Athena also shows deep conflict within herself in this episode in regards to her nature as a Cylon as seen in multiple scenes. Conoy's words to her about how their trip is a "home coming" for Athena causes an immediate response. Later, when the Eights touch her and attempt to recruit her, she expresses disgust with them, but possibly including herself. Her declaration of choosing a side and sticking to it may be something she needs to hear more than they do. When Anders takes out his gun to execute the Six, it is Athena who also takes out her gun to defend the "human" and refers to herself as a human. Finally, her refusal to hold the dying Eight's hand shows a reluctance of being seen as a Cylon and that she is not with them.<br />
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== Questions == <br />
* Are the Centurions capable of getting an IFF signal from a humanoid Cylon, like a Raider does? Could one have exposed Anders if he had made direct eye contact?<br />
* What does the Hybrid's statement that the five come from the home of the thirteenth mean?<br />
** Were they made on Earth, the home of the thirteenth tribe? Or did they voyage to Earth from Cylon/Colonial space and then return?<br />
** Does "the thirteenth" refer to "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]" mentioned in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", to whom the [[Temple of Five]] was dedicated?<br />
* Will Thrace tell anyone about the Hybrid calling her "the harbinger of death"? Does anyone else hear the Hybrid's words to her?<br />
* Will Helo and the others have to answer for their mutiny?<br />
* How will Gaeta's injury affect his duties? Will his leg be amputated?<br />
* What would have happened if Anders had put his hand in the [[data-font]]?<br />
* Why should the Cylons have any trouble figuring out the Raptor's FTL system? They have previously used Raptors ([[Torn]]).<br />
* How will the Fleet respond when the ''Demetrius'' returns with the shipwrecked basestar in tow?<br />
* Without Natalie's help, would Anders have been able to pull the trigger to execute the Six?<br />
* Does the revelation that the Final Five are from Earth and can lead the fleet to it encourage the hidden Four to reveal themselves?<br />
* How will the Cylon rebels unbox the Threes?<br />
* Is Natalie's baseship the last place where there are Sixs, Twos, and Eights?<br />
* Why did the Cavils' forces leave one baseship largely intact?<br />
* Will Barolay's death, despite the execution of the Six, affect the truce amongst the Colonials once they discover that two from the ''Demetrius'' mission are dead?<br />
* Is Conoy the only Two left amongst the Cylon rebels?<br />
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== Official Statements == <br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
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* ''An [[Eight]] discussing mutiny with [[Sharon Agathon]]:''<br />
: '''Sharon Agathon:''' You guys make me sick.<br />
: '''Eight:''' Why?<br />
: '''Agathon:''' Because you pick your side and you stick. You don't cut and run when things get ugly. Otherwise you'll never have anything. No love. No family. No life to call your own.<br />
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* ''[[Emily Kowalski]] and [[Laura Roslin]] discuss the [[Lords of Kobol]]:''<br />
: '''Emily Kowalski:''' Oh, Laura. And the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] are real? Reigning from a metaphysical mountaintop in those silly outfits? [[Zeus]]? Handing out fates out of an urn like they were lottery tickets? 'You're gonna work on a [[tylium]] ship. You're gonna be an admiral. Your family's gonna be evaporated in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|an attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]] but you'll survive for three more years on a moldy compartment on a freighter 'til your body starts to eat itself up alive.' Those are the gods that you worship? Capricious, vindictive...<br />
: '''Laura Roslin:''' But they're not meant to be taken literally. They're metaphors, Emily.<br />
: '''Kowalski:''' I don't need metaphors. I need answers.<br />
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* ''Laura Roslin on her mother's death:''<br />
: "You're like my mother. She wasn't satisfied with metaphors either. She was convinced that [[Aphrodite]] herself was gonna swoop her away when she died. And she believed it even when the [[diloxin]] and the radiation failed to stop her cancer. She was a teacher! She was... oh, she was something to behold. And the head of a classroom. And her students— Her students loved her. They'd walk through fire for her and then they see this woman who seemed so eternal. She withered away and I find myself having to change her diaper because she couldn't even— At the moment she died there was no gleaming fields of Elysium stretched out before her. There was this dark, black abyss. And she was terrified. She was so scared."<br />
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* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon]]<br />
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]<br />
* [[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]<br />
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]<br />
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]<br />
* [[Nana Visitor]] as [[Emily Kowalski]]<br />
* [[Alana Husband]] as Nurse [[Sashon]]<br />
* [[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br />
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*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=313]<br />
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[[de:Faith]]</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Ties_That_Bind/Archive_1&diff=157202Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 12008-04-23T20:30:18Z<p>Whytwolf: </p>
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<div>Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== SG1 thing? ==<br />
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Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Image ==<br />
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May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion ==<br />
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Acts vs. Location Format ==<br />
I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Not so much scene shifts, but number of ''independent'' story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Nicky Cylon or Human ==<br />
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I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Frak_Party_Q_and_A#hybridnick]) [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Inappropriate use of Point of Order? ==<br />
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According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. [[User:Ctetc2007|Ctetc2007]] 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting ==<br />
The [http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/992976.html post] might be worth reading. Didn't know about the [[w:Ophiuchus |thirteenth sign]] until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:This is a great little read (the link above). Even the bit about the Cylons of Greece (an aditional link once there). I was wondering, has anyone seen/made a super-speculative galactic map of where the fleet might be? especially now that with being able to pin point the rough neighbourhood the fleet is now in.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Monitoring Launch Tubes ==<br />
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The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.<br />
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Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.<br />
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— [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "[[Collaborators]]"... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Poor Jammer. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, would YOU want to guard the launch tubes? 99% of the time you'd just be standing there in an empty control room (at least at night), not to mention the fact that since there are quite a few launch tubes, you'd be tying up a significant number of personnel doing so. It seems like it'd be easier in terms of manpower to have guards somewhere in the hangar deck (potentially in intersection of the hangar deck(s) and the interior of the ship). By guarding the choke points, you'd be covered against somebody coming from any of the launch tubes, and from the landing bay openings as well. Though obviously the biggest reason the launch tubes are untended are for dramatic purposes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Nobody said there had to be ''humans'' watching the launch tubes, you'd be 'watching' them electronically, just like building security monitors elevator movements. If they did that and logged all activity, they'd find out Cally's launch tube was spaced from the control room and know she didn't commit suicide. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, that Cally did not commit suicide is something that a good criminal investigator would find out anyway - Cally has to trigger the launch tube from inside by use this little key. This key should still be in the launch tube. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::True, but you know what happens when you put "machines" in charge of things... Closed circuit monitoring would of course be sensible. And if they wanted to get into all that, they could alter the logs and substitute in bogus footage, etc. When your conspiracy includes the Chief and the XO, there's not a lot of limits to what you could cover up. I guess they didn't want to get into that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::I don't think the Chief and the XO were in on this. And as to the key, wouldn't it be spaced too? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh, I meant more of the executions in Collaborators. As for the key, it'd probably be "locked" into place when turned to the activated position. That, or you'd be losing keys whenever you did that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::Whenever you did what? Flushing a launch tube with yourself inside? How often does that happen? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::There are probably moving parts in the non-pressurized areas of the launch tube that need occasional maintenance. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
I myself have decided to suspend disbelief on this particular issue. I find it fairly unbelievable that there isn't an automated system that would at least inform CIC that a "launch" had taken place. Also, this is a military ship on a war footing; I'm sure they have plenty of bored marines who could be patrolling the ship, especially sensitive areas like launch tubes and airlocks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 20:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Well it kinda depends on how detailed the data is that arrives at CIC: they may know ''that'' the launch tube was flushed, but they may not be able to tell whether it was operated from the inside or the outside (which would be of little use outside murder investigations). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Taurus ==<br />
Some observant individual has noticed that Taurus is visible in this Orion [http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taurusqv3.jpg screen cap] (Orion is still visible in the lower left), putting the Cylon fleet pretty close to Earth. Is this observation correct? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Oh, that's just bull ;) -- [[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hero/Archive2&diff=92674Talk:Hero/Archive22006-11-24T02:01:43Z<p>Whytwolf: /* Insight into Cylon plan */</p>
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<div>== Can We compare Adama to President George....Washington? :) ==<br />
I was reading the quote from Eick, "...Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies." and for some reason I felt that thie reminded me of Gorge Washington long before we was president or even commander-in-chief when, before the 7-Years-War, Washington was involved in a skirmish with the French over Fort Necessity, aka Pittsburgh (yes, we fought a battle for that city) that led to Washington signing a treaty stating, unbeknownst to him because he couldn't speak French and his interpreter sucked, that he committed attrocities against France in the name of the British Empire. This, according to many historians, led to the 7 Years War, known in America as the French and Indian War, that would decimate Northern Germany. I'm sure Washington at some level had to be aware of this error on his part and led him to remorse I imagine. Anyways, the story is different but I was wondering how many parallels there will be, if there will be, in this episode to Washington's conundrum. I wanted to ask a question on the article page but couldn't concise it enough for wiki standards. I may ask on the scifi bboard but input on this would be appreciated before I do. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 19:42, 3 August 2006 (PST)<br />
:That's an interesting analogy, showing a fine attention to historical detail. I think the parallel has minor flaws, though, since Washington's conduct in that matter isn't generally considered morally wrong so much as foolish. [[Wikipedia:Gavrilo Princip|Gavrilo Princip]] might be worth considering as a parallel; he was the immediate but not ultimate cause of a devastating war, and he precipitated the conflict by attacking his fellow countryman, thinking it justified in contrast to the general consensus. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 02:28, 4 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:: It's unlikely that Adama's actions are quite the transgression that he believes it to be; after all, the [[cylon agent|Cylons had been violating the armistice line]] for about a half a year prior to Adama's, anyway.[[User:TaKometer|TaKometer]] 02:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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::: I was wondering about the timeline as well. I think Adama says somthing like, the mission was a year before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack]], but the cylons had been planning the attack for two years. However, I think there is an error in the timeline. Adama also says he served with Boomer for two years, and I think he implied that it was on Galactica. Gaeta also says that he served with Adama for three years. It is possible that Gaeta was on the Valkyrie for a year, but I think the mission happened about two years before the attack, not just one. I will rewatch the episode, but do you have any ideas? [[User:Jrmurph|Jrmurph]] 12:21, 18 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:::: I think there is an inconsistency in the story. It is not unexplainable, ie Gaeta and Boomer served with Adama on the Valkyrie, but it did seem like nobody other than Adama or Tigh recognized Bulldog so the timeline is a little esquew. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:01, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Another Battlestar? ==<br />
There is a spoiler image showing Adm Adama and Col Tigh in the CIC of the Battlestar Valkerie. I zoomed in on Adama and saw he had his Admiral's pins on. Might this be a sign that they soon will find yet another Battlestar? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 01:24, 15 November 2006 (CST)<br />
: It's a flashback scene. It may be more of a costuming error. Note that Tigh still has his eye in that promo shot. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 01:39, 15 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Right. Two eyed Tigh. Darn. I was hoping they'd find another Battlestar cause I do miss the Pegasus. It was bigger, much cooler and the doors made this cool "beep" when they opened. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 01:50, 15 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::You can visit [[Valkyrie]] as well. It's a spoiler until Friday but you can adjust it with some new data later. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:36, 15 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::::It's true, I saw the Admiral pips as well, the flashback should have been Commander pips; as the Stealth ship incident occurred three years ago. [[User:SimsHsia|SimsHsia]] 22:56, 17 November 2006 (CST)<br />
: The Valkerie looked to be a Mercury class Battlestar. This would make sense because the galactica class was an older ship and has been all but replaced with the newer bigger and more efficent Mercury class.--[[User:Mike|Mike]] 09:30, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::It's definately not a Mercury, the only part really similar is the engine block. If anything, it looked most like a reimagining of the original series battlestar, down to the rectangular opening in the flightpod and the angular head. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::Inside it looks like a Mercury yes. That's a sign of its age. But outside, it's far smaller than a full-sized battlestar. Look at the gun battery on the top. There's only one and almost covers the width of the ship there. See the Valkyrie page for more details (where this discussion should take place), but I think it's basically a smaller battlestar meant for support duties. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:52, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:: Not disagreeing with your main point, but its quite possible that there were far more Battlestar classes than just the "Cylon War Type" and the Mecurcy class, given that the colonies built up a fleet of arround 120 Battlestars over about 50 years, particularly as the Viper apparently went through 5 different itterations over this time, although we are likely never going to see the intervening versions of either type --[[User:Useless|Useless]] 09:55, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Barry Kennedy as Admiral Corman ==<br />
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Hey all, I was just checking on Barry Kennedy's link, and it links to an IMDB page other than his profile page detailing his filmography, and etc. [[User:SimsHsia|SimsHsia]] 23:52, 17 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:That's because some people keep forgeting the "nm" when entering imdb numbers and in that case the link default to title instead of actor --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:53, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==The Stealth-Star==<br />
hey i just noticed this but the name of the ship was the stealth star so someone(not me)should create it a page. Best Snorkel378<br />
:Already done [[Stealth Star]]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:41, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==The scene with Baltar, Six and Three in bed==<br />
it says on there that 3 is having a sexual realationship with baltar and six?<br />
Cylons arent lesbos i think they were having a 3some {{unsigned|Snorkel378}}<br />
:You are assuming that the Six we see is Caprica-Six and not Baltar's internal Six. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 20:49, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::It would be an odd choice cinematically to have Three wake up from a dream and show us something from inside Baltar's head. {{unsigned|Wldkt1}}<br />
:::Please remembe rto sign your posts on talk pages guys <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:05, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
The fact that Baltar and Six are in a 'clutch' position makes it unlikely that it's his internal Six. Three would have noticed Baltar trying to hug thin air in his sleep. Baltar is also in the center of the bed, rather than on one side. In addition, Caprica seems to be aware of (and approves) Three's new interest in Baltar. Regarding the possibility of a relationship between Three and Six: that is only speculation, but just because we haven't seen a lesbian relationship between cylons doesn't mean one isn't possible.[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 22:18, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:It could be that Caprica-Six sees this as a way to weaken Baltar--after all, the formula for getting Baltar to give up secrets seems pretty clear: get in his bed, get in his head, so to speak. Remember that during the torture in previous episodes, he said to Three, "I love you with all of my heart." That's what started the relationship, so I think Three is interested in Baltar for whatever reason, not <i>necessarily</i> Six. Plus, on a more humorous note...I have to wonder if the Cylons have any sexual relations amongst themselves at all. This could be one deprived Cylon... [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:24, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
Speculation on Cylon sexual orientation aside, I think we all can agree that Baltar is one lucky sonofabitch. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 05:28, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:weell, if put aside the whole electro-shock thing and the drilling in the ear thing. Face it, Baltar had to work hard for that threesome.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 09:47, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::Well, yes, he did work hard for it, but doesn't everyone work hard for a threesome? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:53, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
A threesome with Six and Three would be cool, but personally, I think a threesome with two Eights would be awesome, and far better. But that's because the Eights are my favorites [[User:NickScryer|NickScryer]] 22:02, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:Personally, I find Lucy Lawless and Tricia Helfer to be hotter than Grace Park. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:50, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==The Black Ops Mission==<br />
Does anyone think that the entire mission was poorly concieved? First, the Colonials jump a Battlestar to very close range of the armistice line, which one would expect to attract attention in and of itself. Second, we see the ''Valkyrie'' track the S-Star after launch and over the line. This either means the Valkyrie tracked it directly on DRADIS, which indicates it's not much of a stealth ship and that the Cylons should be able to detect it as well, or the S-Star has some sort of transponder reporting its position, which is also something the Cylons should detect. Finally, as referenced in the main article, the S-Star maintains radio contact with the ''Valkyrie'' throughout the whole mission, again something the Cylons should be able to detect. Would the writers have really overlooked all this, or are we meant to conclude that the Admriality meant for the mission to have been discovered by the Cylons? --[[User:Cleophus|Cleophus]] 22:55, 18 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:-The mission is quite similar to the United States' U2 overflights during the late 1950's and 60's. Certain similarities between the depicted incident and the [[:wikipedia:U-2 Crisis of 1960|incident involving Francis Gary Powers]] can be read. It also conjures up several dozen observation flights by aircraft such as specially outfitted C-130's flying perilously close to a boundary line &mdash; even going so far as to slip a wingtip across it to "call a bluff". Also, there's the incident involving the Chinese Gai-8 fighter and the US P-3 Orion.<br />
:In the case of our Colonials here, the stealth craft is more than likely equipped with an "odd frequency" (either very low or very high), encrypted transponder that transmits on a specific wavelength, only for IFF purposes. If I recall correctly, F-117 Nighthawks can still use their radios when on ops (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I suspect that this mission was proposed in order to get a glimpse into ''any'' Cylon activity. The stealth craft would be dangled out as a tiny bit of bait &ndash; just enough to get a response. Its stealth characteristics would increase its ability to dash back across the Armistice Line untracked and unaffected, and then ''Valkyrie'' would be able to observe and record the arriving Cylons. If questions were raised ("What are you doing here?" ... "Good question, what are ''you'' doing here?" ... "We detected you over the Armistice Line." ... "Who, us? Noooo... We've been on our side this whole time, just trolling about, watching over our miners over there on that moon there. So why are you here again? You don't mind if we take some photos of you while you're here, do you?"), the Colonials would feign ignorance and innocence, but they'd at least have a response... something that the Cylons haven't even projected in thirty-plus years. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:--Is it possible that the Stealth Star was shot down by a Colonial Force in hopes that it would percipitate a conflict? Similar to the Gulf of Tonkin? This way the Colonials can say one of their ships got lost and was destroyed by the Cylons in cold blood (Or something along those lines). Also, it makes no sense a ship would jump in, shoot the S-Star, and jump out. Why wouldnt it commit to killin the S-Star? --[[User:Skrip00|Skrip00]] 16:31, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:: Perhaps. We don't know either way. To be honest, after some seriously critical thought about it on my part, there's really not much of it that makes sense, since it was poorly explained in the episode. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:55, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Folks in White Robes==<br />
Aren't there five white-robed figures in Number Three's vision? It's pretty speculative, but maybe these are meant to represent the five missing Cylon models (maybe they've undergone some kind of transcendence, and are "with God now" or something). Maybe the article should note this (after all, the white-robes show up for the first time just a couple episodes after we first learn that there's definitely something different or mysterious about the five missing models), though I don't know the proper section for it. {{unsigned|Steve}}<br />
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:- I noticed that too, but was going to "acquire" the episode and re-watch that part, or watch it again on Monday to see... I _think_ there are five humanoid figures in white robes, kneeling or seated in that semi-circle when Three walks amongst them. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Three's in the opera house on Kobol where Baltar's internal Six shows him Hera's cradle; I believe those are the same white drapes that can be seen on the opera house stage in [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 11:38, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Well I agree she's in the opera house from KLG, but I don't think I'm referring to the drapes. In the initial shot of the opera house, there seem to be five glowing figures standing between the six white drapes. Some of the quick shots of the opera house that follow show these figures, and some do not (as though they are alternately hiding and revealing themselves). At the end of her experience, Three approaches and reaches out to one of these figures just before she is resurrected. --[[User:Steve|Steve]] 02:50, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Sorry, you're right. I watched the episode again and noticed them. (Don't know why I missed them the first time, I was watching on a huge HDTV then!) I have a feeling that in the next few episodes, Three is going to keep having "accidental" deaths, and we'll see these figure again. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 20:26, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Reference to Raising Arizona? ==<br />
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I'm new here, so I didn't want to jump right into the thick of things by adding this to the main page before running it by other people...when Adama and Novacek are sitting down for the first time, Adama asks him something like "How did you escape, Bulldog?". Novacek rambles for a little bit (again, I don't remember exact words) but wraps up with "I felt the facility no longer had anything to offer me...". If I'm not mistaken, this is a reference to Raising Arizona--John Goodman's character says just about the exact same thing after he breaks out of prison. I can't seem to find the line on IMDB or Wikiquote, though... {{unsigned|MikeDanger}}<br />
:Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:08, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:As far as I remember "Raising Arizona", the dialogue goes like this:<br><br />
:''- You busted outta jail?''<br><br />
:''- No, ma'am. We released ourselves on our own recognizance.''<br><br />
:''- What Evelle is tryin' to say is we felt the institution no longer had anything to offer us.'' -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 08:28, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Insight into Cylon plan ==<br />
If the Cylons know where the Colonials are, or at least know well enough to send Bulldog at them, it's common sense to ask, why don't they just attack? Well, maybe their goal isn't to destroy Galactica et al outright but something more complex. One thing that does seem consistent with their plan is their desire to kill Adama, perhaps because they want to send the fleet into disarray without him at the top. Examples: Leoben telling Roslin that Adama's a Cylon in Flesh and Blood, Boomer shooting Adama repeatedly in Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt. II. There may be more examples that I can't think of right now.<br />
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People have been crying out "plot hole!" with reckless abandon in light of Bulldog's ability to pinpoint Galactica's position, but if the Cylon plan really is as simple as ''kill all humans,'' as these detractors might claim, then much of the show falls apart. The reality is, we don't really know the Cylon plan, and at this point, there's really no reason to jump to the conclusion that the writers are just too lazy to think of one. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 18:22, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:The Cylons might know full well where the Colonials are but if they jumped in a couple of Basestars then the fleet would zip out of there pretty sharpish and might go somewhere where the Cylons dont know and they will have to find them all over again. IMO, their plan is a long game. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 19:17, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:IMHO, "Hero" is the weakest episode of the series yet. There's just too many logic errors for me to dismiss as part of the "suspension of disbelief" process. For instance, how does Bulldog have the time to learn how to pilot a Cylon raider, when Starbuck took hours to figure out how to operate the thing? Also, how would Bulldog be able to operate the FTL drive -- Kobol's Last Gleaming pretty much made it clear that the FTL drive needed an actual computer, given that the brain had to be ripped out in order for it to be piloted manually. But that's another not so fine mess. <br />
: As for the Cylon plans, well, they're clearly compliated and seem to be changing since the attack. Whether or not this is by design has yet to be detrmined, though I sincerely doubt that the writer's have this thing all planned out a la ''Babylon 5''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:30, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Yeah, I know what you're saying. I also doubt it's all planned out B5-style (hasn't Ron basically said something to that effect anyway, like how much they enjoy making it up as they go along?), but that doesn't mean it necessarily can't all add up in the end, and we should assume that they ''do'' know what they are doing until they are proven wrong. <br />
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::Also, a lot of people have been talking about how unrealistic it is for Bulldog to have learned how to operate the raider in such a short time. I'm not trying to start an arguement about this, but I don't actually remember them saying that he had only a short time to learn how to use the raider. Are you guys just assuming that he had to learn it all quickly based on the rushed nature of his escape? Is there a reason he couldn't have actually had a few hours to do it? I mean, if they let him escape, then he could have been in the basestar hangar for hours trying to work the controls while they watched (and snickered) from behind the glass. --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 23:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I agree that a lot of people have seemed predisposed to cry foul lately--I can understand how the scientific goofs in "A Measure of Salvation" could've set people on edge--but I do think it's possible that if the Cylons are operating under a religious motivation, that their plan does go beyond a simple "kill all humans" approach. They may see the need to exact specific steps of revenge/torture against humanity, perhaps a particular punishment for each perceived offense. That's just one possibility, but it could well be they have the death of a thousand cuts in mind for the remnants of humanity. I think Drumstick's probably on to something here. Or you know, if they wanted Bulldog to escape, they could have trained a Raider (which wasn't injured like Starbuck's) to understand and obey his commands or even set it up with an interface that a human could use. Until we see proof or disproof of all the different theories, I think it's too early to try to claim BsG has jumped the shark or anything similar. I also have to wonder if anybody here has writing experience with writing a full-length work. I am working on my first novel, and keeping total, perfect consistency is <i>not</i> easy and while I tend to get the big things right, I am still finding a lot of subtle things that need tweaking, and this despite my best efforts. [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:17, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:As an aside wrt the Cylon plan, Browndog's question from the Episode page:<br />
::''Does the fact that Adama was potentialy responsible for starting the war explain why Galactica was important enougth to have 2 out of 12 human cylons on board during the start of the mini-series??--Browndog 14:17, 23 November 2006 (CST)''<br />
:I think that it's plausable considering the roles that Boomer and Doral were playing at the time that their both being on Galactica at the time of the Attack is simply a coincidence. Short of conspiracy within the Fellt Boomer is asigned where she's needed, and Doral's position as a civil servant would have been a good cover for a Cylon spy.--[[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:01, 23 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Possible Discontinuity ==<br />
According to the episode, Adama and friends served on the Valkyrie a year before the attacks. This implies that Adama was only commander of the Galactica for a year before the miniseries. Yet on the Kara Thrace article, it states that Thrace "resigned from flight school as a instructor and transferred as an operational pilot aboard battlestar Galactica under the command of William Adama, where she served for some '''two years prior to the Cylon attack''' on the Twelve Colonies." They can't both be right. <br />
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Also, from the Tyrol article: "He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including Columbia, Atlantia, and Pegasus (Resistance). He has served under William Adama on Galactica for five years (Litmus)." If he served under Adama for 5 years, why didn't he mention the Valkyrie when he was being intimidated by Tigh in Resistance? This could be simply because Tigh would have known that.--[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 22:16, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:No, your first impulse is correct - it's quite certainly an error.<br />
:'''Gaeta:''' And... may I take this opportunity to say that it's been both a pleasure and an honour to serve under you [Adama], these past three years. ([[Miniseries]])<br />
:'''Adama:''' We [Thrace and I] talked about a lot of things. We've been aboard this ship for over two years, we know each other very well. ([[Act of Contrition]])<br />
:'''Adama:''' She [Valerii] was more than that to us. She was more than that to me. She was a vital, living person... aboard my ship for almost two years. She couldn’t have been just a machine. Could you love a machine? ([[The Farm]])<br />
:Also, note that the timeline in Adama's dossier (which seems to be accurate based on other data points) puts his transfer to ''Galactica'' at six years prior to the miniseries.<br />
:--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:48, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It is quite possible that this is not an error ''per se''. Adama and some of his command staff could easily have been assigned to the more modern Valkyrie from Galactica for the mission. It wouldn't make much sense to send "the bucket" on a stealth mission anyway. Notice Valkyrie seemed smaller and was probably more modernized, which would make it all the better for that type of mission. So Adama could easily have been in command of Galactica for several years prior, been offered command of Valkyrie as a reward, for career advancement or just for the mission... and have been pushed back to Galactica when the mission failed. Certainly the plan to decommission Galactica was in the works for some time, and they would not want one of their good commanders to retire with the ship... until after the mission where he failed. None of the characters would be expected to say "I served under Adama for some years, and some other guy for a couple of months, then Adama again." They would just say they served with him for X number of years. If we compare to the modern US Navy, this sort of thing is not all the uncommon.--[[User:Xealot|Xealot]] 10:22, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::The dossier's progression from XO of ''Columbia'' to Commander of ''Valkyrie'' to Commander of ''Galactica'' seems to indicate that ''Valkyrie'' was his first battlestar command. Though I agree that the serve under "X years" would fly if they stayed under him. It's just the "this ship"'s that start biting them. (When they specify the ship instead of the command.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:53, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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::It's really embarassing in continuity. If they had put the entire affair a few years further into the past, it would have made much more sense not only in Adamas biography, but also in the overall plot. Boomer served on ''Galactica'' for two years and probably spend some additional time at flight school, so Adama must know the Cylon infiltration started long before the Stealth-Star incident. This should really get Adama to ask himself how long the attack had been planned, though he might convince himself that the Cylons put their infiltrators in place just as a precaution and his actions led to their decision to actually use them. A few years more time between the attack and the incident would put the estimated start of Cylon infiltration (which actually could be anywhere between 2 and 20 years before the attack) around the same time, giving Adama a far more powerful reason to believe that he started it right there. I would like to think that putting the incident one year before attack was just an accident, but then it would probably become even more difficult to explain how Bulldog survived that long. <br />
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::Another point that's problematic: did ''Valkyrie'' have an integrated computer-network? Up to this episode all information we had suggested that all battlestars save ''Galactica'' had them and that it was Adamas position of ''no network on my ship'' that prevented an upgrade.<br />
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::*If ''Valkyrie'' had a network Adamas politics of ''it's all hand on here'' are somewhat harder to believe. Up to now it looked like the position of a war-veteran who opposed networks on principle, this is harder to believe if he already commanded a ship with such a network.<br />
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::*If there was no network on ''Valkyrie'', then why wasn't there one? It appears extremely unlikely that the networks were all installed in the time between the incident and the attack, though the decision cannot have been made to long before Adama took command of ''Galactica'', because the previous commander would probably have had it installed. And given that it must have been a major decision to put networks on battlestars once more it's hard to believe that the Admirality would allow commanders to pull the plug on it as they see fit. I can imagine Adamas opposition being tolerated on ''Galactica'', because it was an old battlestar nearing it's decommissioning with a design that may have been especially hard to upgrade (regardless of Gaetas patchwork in [[Scattered]]). They could have simply decided that it was not worth the effort to force Adama to accept the upgrade. But that would be hard to believe for ''Valkyrie'', if you are sending a battlestar on such a sensitive mission you want it at maximum performance. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 14:49, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::The network thing isn't hugely problematic. We have no notion of how old ''Valkyrie'' was. ''Atlantia'' was at least 17 years old at the time of the attack (based on Adama's dossier), and was still worthy to serve as Nagala's flagship in the Miniseries. ''Galactica'' was even older. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:44, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Adama's dossier may or may not help matters. If the screencap interpretation in the article is correct, then it is currently 21356 - based on the 45th anniversary of Adama's commissioning - which is consistent with what we know about Colonial Day and the Armistice. Therefore the Fall of the Colonies occurred in 21354, and that means the Valkyrie incident occurred in 21353 or thereabouts. However, the dossier goes on to state that Adama took command of Valkyrie in 21345, and Galactica in 21348. If the dossier is correct, then the Valkyrie incident had to take place in 21347 or 21348...which means that Adama's "graceful retirement" lasted for 6 years until the Fall. If this timeline is correct, then it basically blows all the dialogue in this episode out of the water, but validates everything we've seen and heard in the first two seasons. Of course, this is all contingent on the dossier being correctly interpreted - and I personally cannot make out the last two dates on screen. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 19:55, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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::That was the conclusion we came to above. The Dossier is [[:image:dossier.png|entirely legible]] and is visible on screen for over sixty frames. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:31, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::I missed that part. That image is a lot clearer than the screenshot I had, as well. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 10:24, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cylon detector problems ==<br />
<br />
There's some inconsistency with the "Cylon Detector" that Doc Cottle used to determine that Bulldog was a human. First of all, if you look at the screen caps, [http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=56612|like this one], you can see that the screen says "-RESULTS NEGATIVE-" If he was testing the DNA against their military records, it should say "-RESULTS POSITIVE-" If it's negative, the DNA doesn't match. That, or it's supposed to be a Cylon Detector, and it's saying that he's not a Cylon. It seems like it could be a simple goof between dialogue and props.<br />
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However, going along with the DNA reasoning... that doesn't necessarily prove anything, does it? If they tested Boomer's DNA against the DNA they have on record for her, I assume it's going to match, since they probably took Cylon DNA initially. Who's to say that the same thing didn't happen to Bulldog? In that case, his DNA would match, but he'd be a Cylon. Seems like a poor determiner of race, that's all. I don't think that he's necessarily a Cylon, just that this is another "oops."<br />
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--It might prove something...if the Colonials have DNA records going all the way back to a person's birth. If they're matching against that kind of original record (heck, maybe they even have the parents' records, too), then that may well constitute proof. [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:06, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Moved content ==<br />
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Folks, stuff like this needs to be removed (or reworded) on sight. Right now, this document reads a bit like it's arguing with itself. Before adding content that seems to contradict itself, please discuss it on the talk page -- that's what this feature is for. <br />
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Below, here's what I've removed thus far from the article that contradicts itself. Stuff like this, ''again'', must be hashed out on talk pages before entering the main article space. Thank you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:52, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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=== Removed content ===<br />
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*[[Dualla]] apparently served on the Valkyrie; she can be seen in the background standing behind Adama and Tigh in the flashback scenes.<br />
**That person in the scene is most likley not Dualla; it's not easy to see because the flashback-scenes in the CIC have (deliberatly) not the best quality.</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:A_Day_in_the_Life/Archive_1&diff=92125Talk:A Day in the Life/Archive 12006-11-19T20:46:27Z<p>Whytwolf: /* Continuity */</p>
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<div>==Continuity==<br />
On 11 October, the [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season3.html Patriot Resource] reported:<br />
<blockquote>Adama and Caroline split after he received his first command. Lee indicates that she turned on him and Zak. Adama seems surprised, but Lee points out that Caroline was already pregnant with him when she and Adama got married. [This implies that they may not have married out of love and that she might blame Lee's conception for the unhappy marriage.]</blockquote><br />
If this report is correct, it contradicts what we have learned about William Adama's early years in the episodes "[[Act of Contrition]]" and "[[Scattered]]". To wit:<br />
*Two women have been named as Adama's wife - [[Caroline Adama]], in "[[Act of Contrition]]", identified as Lee and Zak's mother, and [[Anne Adama]], in "[[Scattered]]", referred to as William's "new wife" in a flashback scene set 20 years prior to the series (and presuming Lee Adama is meant to be in his late 20s/early 30s, well after his birth).<br />
*It is stated in "Scattered" that Adama still aspires to command of his own battlestar - he only achieved it during his second stint in the Colonial Fleet, with the help of Anne's father.<br />
*This report, however, seems to indicate that William and Caroline were still together when Adama received his first command, and makes no mention of Anne.<br />
*In a [[:Image:Primusphoto.jpg|photograph]] featured prominently in several episodes, a William Adama much younger than the one seen in "Scattered" is featured with Lee and Zak, who are already preteens. This means that the "new wife" referred to in "Scattered" cannot be their mother under a different name.<br />
Possible solutions:<br />
*"Scattered" only stated that Adama had not yet commanded a battlestar - it is possible that the command assignment which caused his rift with Caroline (before his furlough, and the events of "Scattered") was a smaller ship.<br />
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:25, 13 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
*Considering the information from Adama's bio that was provided to the Pressident when she first came aboard Galactica, it's likely that Adama's first command (as mentioned above) isn't that of a ship--but instead of a viper squadron. That might even explain the photo of Lee and Zak and their father infront of the Viper--taken when Adama received command of Primus Squadron? In the modern US Navy, Carrier commanders must have been naval aviators and commanded a squadron prior to receiving a carrier CO slot--the Colonials may not be that different, considering a Battlestar is esentially a giant carrier in space. --[[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 14:46, 19 November 2006 (CST)</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=A_Measure_of_Salvation&diff=90962A Measure of Salvation2006-11-12T06:23:32Z<p>Whytwolf: /* Notes */</p>
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<div>{{Episode Data<br />
| title= A Measure of Salvation<br />
| image= Amos.jpg<br />
| season= 3<br />
| episode= 7<br />
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br />
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]<br />
| story= <br />
| director= [[Bill Eagles]]<br />
| production= 307<br />
| rating=<br />
| US airdate= November 10, 2006<br />
| UK airdate=<br />
| dvd=<br />
| population= 41,420<br />
| prev= [[Torn]]<br />
| next= [[Hero]]<br />
}}<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
:''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.''<br />
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== Summary ==<br />
=== On [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ===<br />
*A boarding party comprising of Raptors and vipers investigate the derelict basestar. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].<br />
*Aboard the derelict, marines explore the corridors, finding the humano-cylon models dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but was unsuccessful.<br />
*Some [[Humano-Cylons|"skinjobs"]] around the control center begin to revive, and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor". <br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to Galactica when the derelict explodes.<br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are quarantined while Major Cottle finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.<br />
*Major Cottle begins investigating the survivors, who advises that the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Apollo, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because resurrection would infect the others. He also mentions that Baltar provided the information towards Earth.<br />
*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Apollo details a plan of possibly eliminating the entire Cylon race, by executing them in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]]. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide. President Roslin informed the two that she will consider both viewpoints.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Athena finds she's immune due to carrying [[Hera]]. Helo discusses the proposed plan, and Athena understands. At the same time, Admiral Adama discusses the issue with Roslin on ''Colonial One'', saying the attack can't proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.<br />
*Galactica jumps to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to draw a basestar and Resurrection Ship. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.<br />
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.<br />
*Apollo leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and Galactica jumps away without sustaining any major damage.<br />
*Helo converses with Athena about what he did. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they're on the right track to Earth, but Roslin points out so are the Cylons.<br />
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=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===<br />
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*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.<br />
*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.<br />
*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.<br />
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== Questions ==<br />
<br />
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar's mistreatment at their hands?<br />
* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?<br />
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?<br />
**The [[basestar]] itself was infected so it's possible no one ordered it to it just went on it's own since so many systems were corrupted that Athena said that she was having a hard time bringing anything up. I doubt that she or anyone else could have set the self-destruct, first of all they made it sound like the [[Hybrid]] wasn't really in any condition to do anything (they said that she was infected first followed by the whole ship which meant she was probably either already dead or much farther gone then the few living [[Cylon]]s that were probably the last ones to be infected) and those remaining [[Cylon agent]]s didn't look like they were in any condition to get up and go over to a control panel.<br />
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]? Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?<br />
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with ''Galactica''? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?<br />
* Is D'anna in love with Baltar?<br />
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?<br />
**For all Gaeta knew, sending Baltar to stop D'anna from blowing up New Caprica City had been a death sentence. Baltar could have been killed by D'anna in self-defense, or by other Cylons if he had killed her. At the very least, the Cylons would have punished him by simply leaving him to die on New Caprica. No one in the Fleet could know that Hera had stopped D'anna from setting off the bomb, or that Caprica-Six had stopped Baltar from shooting D'anna. <br />
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?<br />
**Perhaps he believes that there really is no cure since the other [[Cylon]]s abandoned them to die without hope of returning.<br />
* How can an encephalitis virus be [[downloaded]] in a data stream?<br />
**Simon mentioned that the pathogen contained a bioelectric feedback component which corrupts their brains and immune systems.<br />
**While a biofeedback component may disrupt the downloading of the infected individual, it would seem the physical presence the virus would still be required to transmit the infection from one individual to the next. This was apparently a naturally occuring encephalitis virus and not a manufactured weapon with combined biological and technological components.<br />
* Why wasn't the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?<br />
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn't the jump drive already spun up and ready?<br />
**They probably didn't expect to have to [[jump]] away that quickly so they didn't keep it going.<br />
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren't there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?<br />
** Karl could have sabotaged more than the single plug we were shown. Of course, this explanation isn't supported by any on-screen evidence, so it is fan rationalization at best.<br />
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn't carried out, wouldn't he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?<br />
**Considering the "[[Helo|one]] or [[Sharon Agathon|two]] people" likely to have done it, Adama probably isn't very concerned at all.<br />
**This should make it even more concerning. Subverting his authority and promoting anarchy on his ship during a combat mission are serious actions. It is extremely out of character for Adama to allow these to occur without taking strong corrective steps.<br />
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn't have transmitted the disease to anyone else.<br />
** It could be that Cottle was saying that she had to remain in sickbay so he could further examine her rather than stay in quarantine to avoid spreading the infection.<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
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*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.<br />
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.<br />
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".<br />
**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another. <br />
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.<br />
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.<br />
*The genetic pool the skinjobs were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This indicates another, non-colonial, source for the DNA.<br />
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== Notes == <br />
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since "[[Torn]]".<br />
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.<br />
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].<br />
*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as Lymphocytic Encephalitis, however encephalitis is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus]].<br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
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== Official Statements == <br />
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== Guest Stars ==<br />
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* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. Felix Gaeta<br />
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]<br />
* [[imdb:0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)<br />
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== References ==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
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{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}<br />
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[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=A_Measure_of_Salvation&diff=90960A Measure of Salvation2006-11-12T06:22:03Z<p>Whytwolf: /* Notes */</p>
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<div>{{Episode Data<br />
| title= A Measure of Salvation<br />
| image= Amos.jpg<br />
| season= 3<br />
| episode= 7<br />
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br />
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]<br />
| story= <br />
| director= [[Bill Eagles]]<br />
| production= 307<br />
| rating=<br />
| US airdate= November 10, 2006<br />
| UK airdate=<br />
| dvd=<br />
| population= 41,420<br />
| prev= [[Torn]]<br />
| next= [[Hero]]<br />
}}<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
:''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.''<br />
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== Summary ==<br />
=== On [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ===<br />
*A boarding party comprising of Raptors and vipers investigate the derelict basestar. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].<br />
*Aboard the derelict, marines explore the corridors, finding the humano-cylon models dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but was unsuccessful.<br />
*Some [[Humano-Cylons|"skinjobs"]] around the control center begin to revive, and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor". <br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to Galactica when the derelict explodes.<br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are quarantined while Major Cottle finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.<br />
*Major Cottle begins investigating the survivors, who advises that the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Apollo, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because resurrection would infect the others. He also mentions that Baltar provided the information towards Earth.<br />
*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Apollo details a plan of possibly eliminating the entire Cylon race, by executing them in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]]. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide. President Roslin informed the two that she will consider both viewpoints.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Athena finds she's immune due to carrying [[Hera]]. Helo discusses the proposed plan, and Athena understands. At the same time, Admiral Adama discusses the issue with Roslin on ''Colonial One'', saying the attack can't proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.<br />
*Galactica jumps to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to draw a basestar and Resurrection Ship. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.<br />
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.<br />
*Apollo leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and Galactica jumps away without sustaining any major damage.<br />
*Helo converses with Athena about what he did. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they're on the right track to Earth, but Roslin points out so are the Cylons.<br />
<br />
=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===<br />
<br />
*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.<br />
*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.<br />
*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.<br />
<br />
== Questions ==<br />
<br />
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar's mistreatment at their hands?<br />
* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?<br />
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?<br />
**The [[basestar]] itself was infected so it's possible no one ordered it to it just went on it's own since so many systems were corrupted that Athena said that she was having a hard time bringing anything up. I doubt that she or anyone else could have set the self-destruct, first of all they made it sound like the [[Hybrid]] wasn't really in any condition to do anything (they said that she was infected first followed by the whole ship which meant she was probably either already dead or much farther gone then the few living [[Cylon]]s that were probably the last ones to be infected) and those remaining [[Cylon agent]]s didn't look like they were in any condition to get up and go over to a control panel.<br />
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]? Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?<br />
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with ''Galactica''? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?<br />
* Is D'anna in love with Baltar?<br />
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?<br />
**For all Gaeta knew, sending Baltar to stop D'anna from blowing up New Caprica City had been a death sentence. Baltar could have been killed by D'anna in self-defense, or by other Cylons if he had killed her. At the very least, the Cylons would have punished him by simply leaving him to die on New Caprica. No one in the Fleet could know that Hera had stopped D'anna from setting off the bomb, or that Caprica-Six had stopped Baltar from shooting D'anna. <br />
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?<br />
**Perhaps he believes that there really is no cure since the other [[Cylon]]s abandoned them to die without hope of returning.<br />
* How can an encephalitis virus be [[downloaded]] in a data stream?<br />
**Simon mentioned that the pathogen contained a bioelectric feedback component which corrupts their brains and immune systems.<br />
**While a biofeedback component may disrupt the downloading of the infected individual, it would seem the physical presence the virus would still be required to transmit the infection from one individual to the next. This was apparently a naturally occuring encephalitis virus and not a manufactured weapon with combined biological and technological components.<br />
* Why wasn't the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?<br />
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn't the jump drive already spun up and ready?<br />
**They probably didn't expect to have to [[jump]] away that quickly so they didn't keep it going.<br />
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren't there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?<br />
** Karl could have sabotaged more than the single plug we were shown. Of course, this explanation isn't supported by any on-screen evidence, so it is fan rationalization at best.<br />
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn't carried out, wouldn't he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?<br />
**Considering the "[[Helo|one]] or [[Sharon Agathon|two]] people" likely to have done it, Adama probably isn't very concerned at all.<br />
**This should make it even more concerning. Subverting his authority and promoting anarchy on his ship during a combat mission are serious actions. It is extremely out of character for Adama to allow these to occur without taking strong corrective steps.<br />
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn't have transmitted the disease to anyone else.<br />
** It could be that Cottle was saying that she had to remain in sickbay so he could further examine her rather than stay in quarantine to avoid spreading the infection.<br />
<br />
== Analysis ==<br />
<br />
*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.<br />
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.<br />
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".<br />
**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another. <br />
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.<br />
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.<br />
*The genetic pool the skinjobs were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This indicates another, non-colonial, source for the DNA.<br />
<br />
== Notes == <br />
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since "[[Torn]]".<br />
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.<br />
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].<br />
*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as Lymphocytic Encephalitis, however encephalitis is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic Choriomeningitis Virus]].<br />
<br />
== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
<br />
== Official Statements == <br />
<br />
== Guest Stars ==<br />
<br />
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. Felix Gaeta<br />
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]<br />
* [[imdb:0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=A_Measure_of_Salvation&diff=90954A Measure of Salvation2006-11-12T06:15:23Z<p>Whytwolf: /* Notes */</p>
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<div>{{Episode Data<br />
| title= A Measure of Salvation<br />
| image= Amos.jpg<br />
| season= 3<br />
| episode= 7<br />
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br />
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]<br />
| story= <br />
| director= [[Bill Eagles]]<br />
| production= 307<br />
| rating=<br />
| US airdate= November 10, 2006<br />
| UK airdate=<br />
| dvd=<br />
| population= 41,420<br />
| prev= [[Torn]]<br />
| next= [[Hero]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
:''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.''<br />
<br />
== Summary ==<br />
=== On [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ===<br />
*A boarding party comprising of Raptors and vipers investigate the derelict basestar. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].<br />
*Aboard the derelict, marines explore the corridors, finding the humano-cylon models dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but was unsuccessful.<br />
*Some [[Humano-Cylons|"skinjobs"]] around the control center begin to revive, and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor". <br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to Galactica when the derelict explodes.<br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are quarantined while Major Cottle finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.<br />
*Major Cottle begins investigating the survivors, who advises that the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Apollo, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because resurrection would infect the others. He also mentions that Baltar provided the information towards Earth.<br />
*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Apollo details a plan of possibly eliminating the entire Cylon race, by executing them in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]]. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide. President Roslin informed the two that she will consider both viewpoints.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Athena finds she's immune due to carrying [[Hera]]. Helo discusses the proposed plan, and Athena understands. At the same time, Admiral Adama discusses the issue with Roslin on ''Colonial One'', saying the attack can't proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.<br />
*Galactica jumps to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to draw a basestar and Resurrection Ship. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.<br />
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.<br />
*Apollo leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and Galactica jumps away without sustaining any major damage.<br />
*Helo converses with Athena about what he did. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they're on the right track to Earth, but Roslin points out so are the Cylons.<br />
<br />
=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===<br />
<br />
*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.<br />
*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.<br />
*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.<br />
<br />
== Questions ==<br />
<br />
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar's mistreatment at their hands?<br />
* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?<br />
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?<br />
**The [[basestar]] itself was infected so it's possible no one ordered it to it just went on it's own since so many systems were corrupted that Athena said that she was having a hard time bringing anything up. I doubt that she or anyone else could have set the self-destruct, first of all they made it sound like the [[Hybrid]] wasn't really in any condition to do anything (they said that she was infected first followed by the whole ship which meant she was probably either already dead or much farther gone then the few living [[Cylon]]s that were probably the last ones to be infected) and those remaining [[Cylon agent]]s didn't look like they were in any condition to get up and go over to a control panel.<br />
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]? Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?<br />
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with ''Galactica''? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?<br />
* Is D'anna in love with Baltar?<br />
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?<br />
**For all Gaeta knew, sending Baltar to stop D'anna from blowing up New Caprica City had been a death sentence. Baltar could have been killed by D'anna in self-defense, or by other Cylons if he had killed her. At the very least, the Cylons would have punished him by simply leaving him to die on New Caprica. No one in the Fleet could know that Hera had stopped D'anna from setting off the bomb, or that Caprica-Six had stopped Baltar from shooting D'anna. <br />
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?<br />
**Perhaps he believes that there really is no cure since the other [[Cylon]]s abandoned them to die without hope of returning.<br />
* How can an encephalitis virus be [[downloaded]] in a data stream?<br />
**Simon mentioned that the pathogen contained a bioelectric feedback component which corrupts their brains and immune systems.<br />
* Why wasn't the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?<br />
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn't the jump drive already spun up and ready?<br />
**They probably didn't expect to have to [[jump]] away that quickly so they didn't keep it going.<br />
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren't there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?<br />
** Karl could have sabotaged more than the single plug we were shown. Of course, this explanation isn't supported by any on-screen evidence, so it is fan rationalization at best.<br />
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn't carried out, wouldn't he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?<br />
**Considering the "[[Helo|one]] or [[Sharon Agathon|two]] people" likely to have done it, Adama probably isn't very concerned at all.<br />
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn't have transmitted the disease to anyone else.<br />
** It could be that Cottle was saying that she had to remain in sickbay so he could further examine her rather than stay in quarantine to avoid spreading the infection.<br />
<br />
== Analysis ==<br />
<br />
*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.<br />
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.<br />
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".<br />
**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another. <br />
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.<br />
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.<br />
*The genetic pool the skinjobs were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This indicates another, non-colonial, source for the DNA.<br />
<br />
== Notes == <br />
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since "[[Torn]]".<br />
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.<br />
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].<br />
*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as Lymphocytic Encephalitis, however encephalitis is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic choriomeningitis]].<br />
<br />
== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
<br />
== Official Statements == <br />
<br />
== Guest Stars ==<br />
<br />
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. Felix Gaeta<br />
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]<br />
* [[imdb:0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=A_Measure_of_Salvation&diff=90952A Measure of Salvation2006-11-12T06:09:46Z<p>Whytwolf: /* Analysis */</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Episode Data<br />
| title= A Measure of Salvation<br />
| image= Amos.jpg<br />
| season= 3<br />
| episode= 7<br />
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br />
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]<br />
| story= <br />
| director= [[Bill Eagles]]<br />
| production= 307<br />
| rating=<br />
| US airdate= November 10, 2006<br />
| UK airdate=<br />
| dvd=<br />
| population= 41,420<br />
| prev= [[Torn]]<br />
| next= [[Hero]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
== Overview ==<br />
:''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.''<br />
<br />
== Summary ==<br />
=== On [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ===<br />
*A boarding party comprising of Raptors and vipers investigate the derelict basestar. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].<br />
*Aboard the derelict, marines explore the corridors, finding the humano-cylon models dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but was unsuccessful.<br />
*Some [[Humano-Cylons|"skinjobs"]] around the control center begin to revive, and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor". <br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to Galactica when the derelict explodes.<br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are quarantined while Major Cottle finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.<br />
*Major Cottle begins investigating the survivors, who advises that the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Apollo, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because resurrection would infect the others. He also mentions that Baltar provided the information towards Earth.<br />
*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Apollo details a plan of possibly eliminating the entire Cylon race, by executing them in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]]. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide. President Roslin informed the two that she will consider both viewpoints.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Athena finds she's immune due to carrying [[Hera]]. Helo discusses the proposed plan, and Athena understands. At the same time, Admiral Adama discusses the issue with Roslin on ''Colonial One'', saying the attack can't proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.<br />
*Galactica jumps to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to draw a basestar and Resurrection Ship. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.<br />
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.<br />
*Apollo leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and Galactica jumps away without sustaining any major damage.<br />
*Helo converses with Athena about what he did. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they're on the right track to Earth, but Roslin points out so are the Cylons.<br />
<br />
=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===<br />
<br />
*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.<br />
*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.<br />
*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.<br />
<br />
== Questions ==<br />
<br />
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar's mistreatment at their hands?<br />
* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?<br />
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?<br />
**The [[basestar]] itself was infected so it's possible no one ordered it to it just went on it's own since so many systems were corrupted that Athena said that she was having a hard time bringing anything up. I doubt that she or anyone else could have set the self-destruct, first of all they made it sound like the [[Hybrid]] wasn't really in any condition to do anything (they said that she was infected first followed by the whole ship which meant she was probably either already dead or much farther gone then the few living [[Cylon]]s that were probably the last ones to be infected) and those remaining [[Cylon agent]]s didn't look like they were in any condition to get up and go over to a control panel.<br />
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]? Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?<br />
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with ''Galactica''? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?<br />
* Is D'anna in love with Baltar?<br />
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?<br />
**For all Gaeta knew, sending Baltar to stop D'anna from blowing up New Caprica City had been a death sentence. Baltar could have been killed by D'anna in self-defense, or by other Cylons if he had killed her. At the very least, the Cylons would have punished him by simply leaving him to die on New Caprica. No one in the Fleet could know that Hera had stopped D'anna from setting off the bomb, or that Caprica-Six had stopped Baltar from shooting D'anna. <br />
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?<br />
**Perhaps he believes that there really is no cure since the other [[Cylon]]s abandoned them to die without hope of returning.<br />
* How can an encephalitis virus be [[downloaded]] in a data stream?<br />
**Simon mentioned that the pathogen contained a bioelectric feedback component which corrupts their brains and immune systems.<br />
* Why wasn't the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?<br />
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn't the jump drive already spun up and ready?<br />
**They probably didn't expect to have to [[jump]] away that quickly so they didn't keep it going.<br />
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren't there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?<br />
** Karl could have sabotaged more than the single plug we were shown. Of course, this explanation isn't supported by any on-screen evidence, so it is fan rationalization at best.<br />
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn't carried out, wouldn't he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?<br />
**Considering the "[[Helo|one]] or [[Sharon Agathon|two]] people" likely to have done it, Adama probably isn't very concerned at all.<br />
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn't have transmitted the disease to anyone else.<br />
** It could be that Cottle was saying that she had to remain in sickbay so he could further examine her rather than stay in quarantine to avoid spreading the infection.<br />
<br />
== Analysis ==<br />
<br />
*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.<br />
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.<br />
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".<br />
**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another. <br />
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.<br />
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.<br />
*The genetic pool the skinjobs were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This indicates another, non-colonial, source for the DNA.<br />
<br />
== Notes == <br />
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since "[[Torn]]".<br />
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.<br />
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].<br />
<br />
== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
<br />
== Official Statements == <br />
<br />
== Guest Stars ==<br />
<br />
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. Felix Gaeta<br />
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]<br />
* [[imdb:0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]</div>Whytwolfhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=A_Measure_of_Salvation&diff=90951A Measure of Salvation2006-11-12T06:08:44Z<p>Whytwolf: /* Analysis */</p>
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<div>{{Episode Data<br />
| title= A Measure of Salvation<br />
| image= Amos.jpg<br />
| season= 3<br />
| episode= 7<br />
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br />
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]<br />
| story= <br />
| director= [[Bill Eagles]]<br />
| production= 307<br />
| rating=<br />
| US airdate= November 10, 2006<br />
| UK airdate=<br />
| dvd=<br />
| population= 41,420<br />
| prev= [[Torn]]<br />
| next= [[Hero]]<br />
}}<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
:''[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.''<br />
<br />
== Summary ==<br />
=== On [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ===<br />
*A boarding party comprising of Raptors and vipers investigate the derelict basestar. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].<br />
*Aboard the derelict, marines explore the corridors, finding the humano-cylon models dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but was unsuccessful.<br />
*Some [[Humano-Cylons|"skinjobs"]] around the control center begin to revive, and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor". <br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to Galactica when the derelict explodes.<br />
*The boarding party and prisoners are quarantined while Major Cottle finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.<br />
*Major Cottle begins investigating the survivors, who advises that the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Apollo, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because resurrection would infect the others. He also mentions that Baltar provided the information towards Earth.<br />
*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Apollo details a plan of possibly eliminating the entire Cylon race, by executing them in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]]. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide. President Roslin informed the two that she will consider both viewpoints.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Athena finds she's immune due to carrying [[Hera]]. Helo discusses the proposed plan, and Athena understands. At the same time, Admiral Adama discusses the issue with Roslin on ''Colonial One'', saying the attack can't proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.<br />
*Galactica jumps to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to draw a basestar and Resurrection Ship. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.<br />
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.<br />
*Apollo leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and Galactica jumps away without sustaining any major damage.<br />
*Helo converses with Athena about what he did. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.<br />
*Aboard ''Galactica'', Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they're on the right track to Earth, but Roslin points out so are the Cylons.<br />
<br />
=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===<br />
<br />
*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.<br />
*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.<br />
*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.<br />
<br />
== Questions ==<br />
<br />
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar's mistreatment at their hands?<br />
* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?<br />
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?<br />
**The [[basestar]] itself was infected so it's possible no one ordered it to it just went on it's own since so many systems were corrupted that Athena said that she was having a hard time bringing anything up. I doubt that she or anyone else could have set the self-destruct, first of all they made it sound like the [[Hybrid]] wasn't really in any condition to do anything (they said that she was infected first followed by the whole ship which meant she was probably either already dead or much farther gone then the few living [[Cylon]]s that were probably the last ones to be infected) and those remaining [[Cylon agent]]s didn't look like they were in any condition to get up and go over to a control panel.<br />
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]? Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?<br />
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with ''Galactica''? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?<br />
* Is D'anna in love with Baltar?<br />
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?<br />
**For all Gaeta knew, sending Baltar to stop D'anna from blowing up New Caprica City had been a death sentence. Baltar could have been killed by D'anna in self-defense, or by other Cylons if he had killed her. At the very least, the Cylons would have punished him by simply leaving him to die on New Caprica. No one in the Fleet could know that Hera had stopped D'anna from setting off the bomb, or that Caprica-Six had stopped Baltar from shooting D'anna. <br />
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?<br />
**Perhaps he believes that there really is no cure since the other [[Cylon]]s abandoned them to die without hope of returning.<br />
* How can an encephalitis virus be [[downloaded]] in a data stream?<br />
**Simon mentioned that the pathogen contained a bioelectric feedback component which corrupts their brains and immune systems.<br />
* Why wasn't the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?<br />
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn't the jump drive already spun up and ready?<br />
**They probably didn't expect to have to [[jump]] away that quickly so they didn't keep it going.<br />
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren't there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?<br />
** Karl could have sabotaged more than the single plug we were shown. Of course, this explanation isn't supported by any on-screen evidence, so it is fan rationalization at best.<br />
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn't carried out, wouldn't he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?<br />
**Considering the "[[Helo|one]] or [[Sharon Agathon|two]] people" likely to have done it, Adama probably isn't very concerned at all.<br />
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn't have transmitted the disease to anyone else.<br />
** It could be that Cottle was saying that she had to remain in sickbay so he could further examine her rather than stay in quarantine to avoid spreading the infection.<br />
<br />
== Analysis ==<br />
<br />
*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.<br />
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.<br />
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".<br />
**Lee's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another. <br />
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II|II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.<br />
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.<br />
*The genetic pool the skinjobs were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This indicates another, non-colonial, source for the DNA.<br />
<br />
== Notes == <br />
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since "[[Torn]]".<br />
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.<br />
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].<br />
<br />
== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
<br />
== Official Statements == <br />
<br />
== Guest Stars ==<br />
<br />
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. Felix Gaeta<br />
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Constanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]<br />
* [[imdb:0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)<br />
<br />
== References ==<br />
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div><br />
<br />
{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]</div>Whytwolf