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| title= Daybreak, Part II & Part III<br />
| season= 4<br />
| episode= 20<br />
| guests= <br />
| writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]<br />
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| director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br />
| production=422-423<br />
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| US airdate=March 20, 2009<br />
| CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br />
| UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br />
| dvd={{flag|US|notext=Y}} {{Season 4.5 NTSC DVD release date}}<br />
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| prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br />
| next=[[The Plan]]<br />
| extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''<ref>http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html</ref><br />
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== Summary ==<br />
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* [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ''and a crew of volunteers undertake one last mission against the Cylons lead by [[John Cavil]], while destinies are fulfilled.''<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
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===Act 1===<br />
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*The episode begins with a series of events that occurred before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br />
**In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves. Adama questions whether to take a civilian job or take command of an aged battlestar,<ref>This is a side reference to the events of the episode, "[[Hero]]"</ref> finally deciding on the civilian job.<br />
**[[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancé [[Zak Adama]] have his brother [[Lee Adama]] over for dinner in her apartment. Conversation turns to the contradiction in Lee's decision to join the [[Colonial Forces]], in light of his idealism and his disagreements with his father. He frames it as a pragmatic transaction: military service in exchange for a college education.<br />
**Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, Sean Allison, at her home. She eventually recognizes him as a former student from years ago. Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night.<br />
**At the strip bar, Bill Adama asks Saul whether he'd have taken the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br />
**Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak to a couch after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done and challenges Lee to shots.<br />
**Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br />
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*Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty. [[Virtual beings|Virtual Six]] tells him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's]] plan for him, a plan she says he is already following.<br />
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===Act 2=== <br />
Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', final preparations are made for the mission...<br />
* In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] enough medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, leaving Cottle uncharacteristically speechless.<br />
* In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br />
* Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on Hera's likely location: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br />
*In CIC, Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony; Close-range combat - no nuclear weapons and missiles.<br />
* The [[Final Five]] plan to use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to disrupt the Colony's Hybrids, a plan which requires Anders to be brought to [[CIC]] and connected to ''[[Galactica]]'''s computer systems.<br />
* Saul Tigh is disturbed at the sight of gooey wires and conduit used to interface Anders with the battlestar.<br />
* Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back. Similarly, Lee Adama appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br />
* Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon. As Baltar is given a weapon, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]]; a red sash painted on them for identification.<br />
[[File:Daybreak Teaser.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|Adama in CIC during the [[Battle of the Colony]]. Note the extra cables near the control console which connect the ship's systems to Anders.]]<br />
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===Act 3===<br />
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*A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] fully regenerated since the [[Cylon Civil War]], and ready to lead the civilians to safety. ''Galactica'' separates from the fleet, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br />
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*Adama asks to go "around the horn", with the [[Saul Tigh|XO]] calling out combat stations over the loudspeaker.<br />
** In sickbay, Layne Ishay prepares sickbay for wounded, with Laura Roslin assisting as best she can.<br />
** [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s, and the entire Raptor squadron, armed with troops and missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br />
** Lee Adama and his force of marines (including Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]) and red-striped centurions take their positions.<br />
** Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against boarders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br />
** In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br />
** Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br />
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*The battlestar jumps away from the fleet, and [[Battle of the Colony]] begins...<br />
** ''Galactica'' arrives only meters from the edge of the Colony, and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br />
** Ellen starts up Sam Anders, who makes contact with the Colony Hybrids and takes them and the guns offline. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br />
** ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod to the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position. The Raptor jumps, however, cause massive damage to the pod, with gas venting outside from a gaping hole.<br />
** Adama orders the battlestar's engines ahead at flank speed, ramming the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but breach the Colony through the forced entry. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br />
** [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the Colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br />
** Several Raptors, including the one with [[Sharon Agathon]], Helo, and Starbuck, dock and make their way into the Colony.<br />
** Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera when they are under attack, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers. Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck, and takes Hera out of the room.<br />
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===Act 4===<br />
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* The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br />
* [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br />
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* In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. "All of the pieces are falling into place."<br />
* The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. Caprica-Six and Baltar are each surprised that the other can see and hear the avatars.<br />
* With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breached as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br />
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* The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she "owed him one." With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br />
* A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br />
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* Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br />
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* Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, "Stopped for coffee."<ref>This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.</ref> With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br />
[[File:Battery desctuction.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|''Galactica'''s main batteries desperately try to defend the ship.]]<br />
* ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br />
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===Act 5===<br />
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* Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br />
* Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br />
* Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br />
* Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br />
* Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br />
* As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br />
* Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br />
* Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has been visited by angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God (RDM)| Virtual Six once told him]]), "God is not on anyone's side." The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br />
* Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br />
* Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br />
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===Act 6===<br />
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* Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br />
* The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank.<br />
* Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data. Saul jokes that he can't wait to see them.<br />
* Before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see "certain things" of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. "Hey! I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!" Saul brushes the warning off.<br />
* The Five dip their hands and make the connection. A Number Four verifies by wireless that the Colony is receiving the correct information.<br />
* As the data flows to the Colony, the Final Five indeed see each's other's memories: first Anders, then Saul, then Ellen.<br />
* Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br />
* Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br />
* As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated "[[Frak]]!" before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br />
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* High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br />
* The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br />
[[File:Cripple.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' suffers massive hull damage as she completes the jump from the Colony.]]<br />
* Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br />
* She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship. As she enters the coordinates, brief flashbacks are shown, including her finding her own corpse on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and Anders calling her an angel.<br />
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* A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit. She claims she's not completely fearless, though. She admits her biggest fear isn't dying, but being forgotten once she is gone.<br />
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* ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist. The ship suffers myriad hull breaches, but the engines restart.<br />
* Adama orders a damage report from Saul, who walks by Galen Tyrol and the dead body of Tory Foster. Tyrol sits on the floor blankly.<br />
* A flashback shows [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] catching Tyrol and [[Sharon Valerii]] parting after an escapade in his workshop. Cally warns Tyrol that he needs to learn to recognize who he can really count on.<ref name="extended">This scene is in the extended cut of "Daybreak", available on the Season 4.5 Blu-ray disc set.</ref><br />
* Saul notes that while vital systems are still online, ''Galactica'''s structural members--its back--are broken. The ship will never jump again. Wherever they are, they're stuck.<br />
* "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br />
* But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br />
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===Act 7===<br />
[[File:Battlestar Over Africa.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|A crippled ''Galactica'' seen in orbit over the Sahara Desert.]]<br />
* Twelve hours later, the Fleet jumps into the new Earth's orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to new Earth.<br />
* Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world, which unlike the old Earth, is clearly lush and full of life.<br />
* On a green, rich savanna in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically. Adama is astonished that humans just so happened to have evolved on this particular world.<br />
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* At a camp, as Lampkin starts making plans for the construction of a city, Lee Adama gets an idea: "No city. Not this time."<br />
* He later explains his idea to his father: let humanity start all over again. Let the Colonials enter the new world with just their basic possessions, and teach the best parts of themselves to the primitive humans on this world. He explains that humans have always let their brains outrace their hearts. Giving their technology up will hopefully "break the cycle."<br />
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* Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br />
* A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br />
* Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with ''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br />
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* Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, "I'll see you on the other side."<br />
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===Act 8===<br />
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* Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br />
* He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br />
* As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, "Are you a Cylon?" and "Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?" Adama is angered and leaves, saying, "I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word."<br />
* Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br />
[[File:The fleet's end.jpg|thumb|180px|right|The [[fleet]] heading straight into the Sun.]]<br />
* Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br />
* As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br />
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* Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>).<br />
* Before they part, Saul says that if what happened to Cally would've happened to Ellen, he "would've done the same frakkin' thing." As Galen leaves, Saul and Ellen embrace.<br />
* The scene shifts back to Caprica City and the strip club. Ellen arrives and greets Saul. She is ready to celebrate his retirement, and eager to spend all her time with him. She explains that all she's ever wanted was to be with him full-time.<br />
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===Act 9===<br />
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* On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. "A very beautiful world," she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, "Earth is a dream," believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br />
* Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br />
* Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama exchanges his greeting with Thrace one last time, Thrace saying "[[nothing but the rain]]" before Bill hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br />
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* Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. "I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good."<br />
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* A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br />
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* "Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee," Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. "Goodbye, Kara," he says. "You won't be forgotten."<br />
* A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br />
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* In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign. She committs herself "all the way to the end".<br />
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* Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. "So much..life," Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br />
* Bill's thoughts turn to the cabin he intends to build for them. When he turns to Laura to ask about planting a garden, he sees that she is gone.<br />
* In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. Looking back up, he sees a good set of grassy hills ahead. "Right there...I'm gonna build it right there, Laura," he says before setting the Raptor down.<br />
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===Act 10===<br />
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* A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world. Romo Lampkin appears to be in charge. Saul and Ellen Tigh bring up the rear.<br />
* The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch. Helo and Athena squabble playfully over who will teach Hera how to hunt. Hera doesn't care; smiling, she lets go of her parents' hands and runs ahead of them in play. Helo and Athena hold each other's hands instead.<br />
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* Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, "God's plan is never complete." "Great..." Baltar replies sullenly.<br />
* Virtual-Baltar counters, "I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful." Their virtual selves disappear, and Baltar takes Six's hand.<br />
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* Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to "peek" into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]]. He makes clear that he's not doing it for her "employers", but for her, and requests her discretion. He obviously has fallen in love with her.<br />
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* When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Julius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br />
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* Bill Adama sits near a cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body and, looking out into the hills and valley, speaks to her about the cabin he is building.<br />
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* The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city - New York City - 150,000 years later.<br />
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* As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe are the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br />
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[[Image:Angels_rdm.jpg|thumb|Angels Baltar and Six...and a man reading National Geographic.]]<br />
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* As [[Ron D. Moore|a man]] reads about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are those of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br />
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* The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, to Baltar's surprise. She cites the Law of Averages, believing it to be part of God's plan.<br />
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* "You know it doesn't like that name," Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. "Silly. Silly me," he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br />
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* The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of "[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]" plays, ending with an image of [http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-10744-Robot+or+Human%3F+Here%27s+ACTROID.html an attractive-looking female automaton] gazing out over Times Square from a giant outdoor television screen as Six and Baltar walk off into the distance.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
:''See [[Daybreak, Part II/Notes]]''<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
===Who and what guided them===<br />
*The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br />
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:1 = C#<br />
:2 = D<br />
:3 = E<br />
:(4 = F#)<br />
:5 = G#<br />
:6 = A<br />
:(7 = B)<br />
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:The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second "five" (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br />
*The first four numbers of Kara Thrace's jump coordinates -- 1, 1, 2, 3 -- are the first four numbers of the most common Fibonacci Sequence (starting with 1, 1), where each number is the the sum of the previous two. The last four numbers in reverse -- 1, 2, 3, 5 -- are the start of another Fibonacci Sequence (starting with 1, 2).<br />
*Science advisor Kevin Grazier and composer Bear McCreary actually worked out the science behind the jump coordinates/musical score with input from Bradley Thompson. Their conclusion was that the coordinates were based on ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s heading and distance, so the coordinates translate as 112 degrees by 365 degrees (although the maximum value should be 360) with a range of 365,321 [[SU]], or approximately 5.75 Colonial light-years. This indicates that ''Galactica'' only jumped 5.75 light-years from the Colony to Earth, and not some unimaginably vast distance as indicated by Adama's later one million light-year comment.<ref>[http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1760#more-1760 Bear McCreary's Battlestar Blog]</ref><br />
*At least two of the Virtual Beings, Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar, are proven to be entities with their own independent existences, and are not projections from the minds of those who see them. The exact nature of their existence--whether they are literal angels or something else--has not been determined. They have, however, been sent by another being sometimes called "God," who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br />
*Kara Thrace was sent back from the dead by "God" to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in the Music.<br />
*The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br />
* There are at least two distinct Virtual Beings. They have known each other a long time and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Virtual Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof or an actual pedestrian happening by). <br />
* The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the "Big Dipper") appears briefly in this episode by mistake<ref>Revealed by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] in his [http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/my-god-it-full-of-the-wrong-stars/ blog post].</ref>. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" (Orion is also visible in this episode).<br />
* Adama's statement that New Earth is "one million light years" from Kobol must be taken as exaggeration or an error. The Milky Way is 100 000 light years across, and earlier statements in the show indicate that it takes considerable time to travel much shorter distances.<br />
** It's possible that Adama's "million light years" comment is meant metaphorically instead of literally, in essence saying the Colonials have come an unthinkable distance to reach their new home.<br />
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===Reproduction of the Races===<br />
*It is likely that some Ones, Fours, and Fives survived the destruction of the Colony, given that baseships were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. They would not, however, have any long term survival prospects, having failed in both their plan to discover the secret that allowed Hera to be born and their attempt to gain the secrets of resurrection.<br />
*Hera's mate or mates that produced children could be a Colonial human, a native Earth human, or even a another human-Cylon hybrid. All three races are strongly implied to be ancestors of what we consider to be modern day humans.<br />
** The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity through their quasi-parental link with Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes although it is unlikely they have a direct genetic link to us due to their age, deceased status or self imposed isolation.<br />
* Mitochondrial Eve, Hera, is the most recent matrilineal common ancestor for ''all'' people alive on Earth today. Like Hera, all people alive on Earth today carry some Cylon genes along with human genes--no one is one hundred percent "pure" Colonial human, as those who fled the Twelve Colonies were. Assuming that there are no "pure" humans living somewhere else in the universe today (descendants of the tiny number of survivors left behind in the Colonies), this means that humanity, as it was defined by people in the Twelve Colonies, has gone extinct, fulfilling the prophecies about the end of the human race.<br />
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===Miscellaneous===<br />
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] has a walk-on appearance as the browser of the ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br />
*The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br />
* In another piece of irony in a program that is full of such, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the Twelve Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br />
* Even if humanity does repeat the Cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br />
* Ellen says that hopefully the [[Hybrid]]s will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br />
* Cavil's suicide, in the way it is framed and executed, closely mirrors the televised 1987 suicide of American politician [[w:Budd Dwyer|Budd Dwyer]].<br />
* Adama's drunken moment, where he sits against a wall, vomits, and then looks up at the night sky, echoes [[w:Oscar Wilde|Oscar Wilde]]'s famous aphorism: ''We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.''<br />
* Though it was never explicitly states in the Miniseries or after, it seems that Tigh was indeed planning to retire whenever Adama decided to leave the Colonial Military. The flashbacks in this episode to Saul and Ellen Tigh in the bar make it clear that Tigh is planning on following Adama out of the service. However Adama, as viewers come to see, decides ultimately to finish out his last years as the CO of ''Galactica'' despite reservations. Tigh obviously followed. This also sheds more light on Tigh's eventual estrangement from Ellen - which was where their relationship was at in the miniseries. The bitterness she doubtless felt at Tigh once again choosing Bill Adama over her was probably a factor in not only her noted loose behaviour, but their growing estrangement before the war.<br />
*It is not entirely clear when in Adama's career he decided to pursue the idea of a civilian job as seen in both parts of "Daybreak". Dialogue during the lie detector test scene suggests Adama has been given his orders to command ''Galactica'', but is considering resigning before taking up the post. However, Adama notes in his initial interview with his prospective employer in the previous episode that he has already commanded two battlestars. One of these is obviously ''[[Valkyrie]]'', but it is not clear if Adama is already referring to ''Galactica'' as the second command (which could also suggest he is already commanding ''Galactica'' at the time this flashback is set and is considering his resignation when on leave from that ship), or to another battlestar that Adama once commanded but has never been mentioned before.<br />
* The Colonials do not seem keen on preserving any aspects of their culture, such as the arts or traditions. In essence, by destroying their technology, they are destroying the last remnants of a 2000+ year old culture, the likes of which may never be seen again.<br />
* In [[Sharon Valerii]]'s flashback immediately after she was killed by [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]], then-Commander Adama was upbraiding her for her constant poor landings he, among other things, told her she was not to let her personal life get in the way. This is a direct reference to the fact that she is still struggling with survivors guilt over her parents deaths on [[Troy (RDM)|Troy]], which occurred when she was undergoing training in the Colonial Military. The "deaths" of her parents were staged, however, by the Cylons who destroyed the colony of Troy to coincide with Valerii's activation as a sleeper agent. (The scenes were filmed, but cut from the aired version of the episode.) <br />
* Chief Engineer Galen Tyrol's decision to travel to a highland area, which is implied to be Scotland, is a possible nod to the ''Star Trek'' character [[MemoryAlpha:Montgomery Scott|"Scotty"]], another famous science fiction engineer.<br />
*According to Ron Moore, the island Tyrol mentions was intended to be [[w:Vancouver Island|Vancouver Island]] as a nod to the show's production site of Vancouver, British Columbia. [[Aaron Douglas]] however interpreted the line as a reference to Scotland and the reference to the highlands was then added.<br />
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== Questions ==<br />
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* What happened to the newly liberated Centurions?<br />
* What happened to the Raiders?<br />
* Why does "God" want the Cycle to be broken?<br />
** On that note, ''can'' the Cycle be broken?<br />
* What was the "similar incident" Skulls was starting to tell Racetrack about just before they were killed?<br />
* What is the 'it' that does not like to be called 'God', and why does it "not like that name"?<br />
* What is the date in the final scene?<br />
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== Official Statements ==<br />
*[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html Chicago Tribune article] with remarks from Ron Moore, David Eick, Mary McDonnell, and Edward James Olmos.<br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
*''Virtual Baltar says the last line of the series as he walks down a street of modern day New York City with Virtual Six. Baltar questions what God wants to be really called:''<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''' (moving in closer to V-Six, whispers): "You know it doesn't like that name!"<br />
:'''Virtual Six''' (Doesn't answer vocally but her expression says "C'mon! you know better than that!"): ...........<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''' (Seeing her reaction): "Silly Me.....silly, silly me."<br />
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*''The Galactica is about to jump to The Colony and into harms way:''<br />
:'''William Adama''': "Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'' has seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway."<br />
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*''The Final Five are about to to stick their hand into Anders's hybrid tank and through that the [[datastream]] They are about to download the technical data of Resurrection to the Cavil Faction's Colony as agreed. As they do so their minds will essentially become one and they will all know each other's secrets whether they want to share or not. Tory Foster is unusually agitated and nervous:''<br />
:'''Tory Foster''' (hesitantly with slight fear): "There are things that....that we've all done. Certain things that...people would be shocked.... to learn about."<br />
:'''Cavil''' (shouting): "HEY! I DON'T MEAN TO RUSH YOU BUT YOU ARE KEEPING TWO CIVILIZATIONS WAITING!" <br />
:'''Tory Foster''' (voice trembling slightly): Let's....Let's just all agree that no matter what we learn about each other...we're all Cylons and we're all capable of making mistakes."<br />
:''(Those were her last words. Less than two minutes later, Tyrol learns of Tory murdering Cally and kills Tory by snapping her neck. She was being strangled too tightly to say anything else.)''<br />
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*''Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.''<br />
:'''Cavil''': "Frak!"<br />
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*''Nuclear missles hitting it, have disturbed the Colony's balanced orbit, immediately causing it to start falling into the Singularity and it is dragging Galactica with it. Starbuck is frantically attempting to figure out the jump coordinates. This is a lyric from the song "All Along the Watchtower.''''<br />
:'''Starbuck''': "There must be some kind of way out of here!" <br />
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*''Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.''<br />
:'''Virtual Six''': "All of this has happened before..."<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''': "But the question remains: does all of this have to happen again?"<br />
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*''Sam Anders, essentially Galactica's Hybrid, says his last words to Kara Thrace after she leaves his side.''<br />
:'''Samuel Anders''': "[[Maelstrom|See you on the other side]]."<br />
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*''In a flashback after saying goodbye to Galen Tyrol, Ellen and Saul Tigh are celebrating Saul's upcoming retirement two years before the Fall.''<br />
:'''Ellen Tigh''': Tonight, we are going to celebrate your retirement and all the time I'm gonna get to spend with my ''husband''! ''[She kisses him.]''<br />
:'''Saul Tigh''': Are you good with that?<br />
:'''Ellen Tigh''': Ohhhhh... Saul! All I've ever wanted was to be with you. Not just weekend liberties or...or two weeks' leave a year. I mean full-time, you and me. Together, in a...in a house, in a tent...homeless and on the street... just be together.<br />
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*''While sitting under some trees on the savanna in Africa, William Adama explains to Laura Roslin why they chose to name their new planet [[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|Earth]].''<br />
:'''William Adama''': Earth is a dream...one we've been chasing for a long time. We've earned it. This is Earth. <br />
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*''Baltar to Caprica Six on New Earth in unspoken reference about his father''<br />
:'''Baltar''': "You know, I know about farming." (sobs)<br />
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*''Laura Roslin is speaking to Dr. Cottle about the state of her health which both know it is grave with only a few days to live. Also, she is about to essentially go into battle to retrieve Hera and the Doctor appears to be on the verge of choking up:''<br />
:'''Laura Roslin''': "Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble."<br />
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*''Former Admiral of the Fleet William Adama is showing Laura their new home on New Earth in a Raptor. She sees a herd of gazelles stampeding at the sight of the Raptor over the lush and rich landscape and says her last words:''<br />
:'''Roslin''': "So much life..."<br />
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*''William Adama is sitting on a high ridge, looking out on a spectacular view of the savannah. Nearby is Laura Roslin's grave, and his last spoken words in the series are to her:'' <br />
:'''William Adama''': "I laid out the cabin today. It's gonna have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."<br />
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*''Boomer has just given over Hera to Athena, saving her life from Cavil and Simon dissection-and both redeeming herself and condemning herself to death'' <br />
:'''Boomer''' (to Athena): "Tell the old man, I owed him one."<br />
:'''Athena''' (angrily) "Doesn't change anything you did though!"<br />
:'''Boomer''' (shakes her head slightly): "No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think its my last one."<br />
:'''Starbuck''': "All right this is really touching. Now can we get the frak out of here!?!"<br />
:'''Boomer''' (to Starbuck): "You should know that your Raptor been destroyed. You can't go back that way." <br />
:(Athena passes Hera to Helo)<br />
:'''Athena''': "Yeah well, that is not the plan."<br />
:'''Starbuck''' (sardonically): "Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?"<br />
:'''Athena''': "Right."<br />
:''(Athena and Boomer look each other in the eye for a moment. Athena raises her weapon. Boomer does not try to flee, accepting, if not welcoming her fate. Athena fires. Boomer is dead before she hits the deck.)''<br />
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== Guest Stars ==<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br />
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br />
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br />
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br />
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant/Admiral [[Louis Hoshi]]<br />
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]<br />
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br />
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br />
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br />
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br />
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br />
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br />
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br />
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br />
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br />
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br />
* [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br />
* [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br />
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br />
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br />
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== Summary ==<br />
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* [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ''and a crew of volunteers undertake one last mission against the Cylons lead by [[John Cavil]], while destinies are fulfilled.''<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
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===Act 1===<br />
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*The episode begins with a series of events that occurred before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br />
**In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves. Adama questions whether to take a civilian job or take command of an aged battlestar,<ref>This is a side reference to the events of the episode, "[[Hero]]"</ref> finally deciding on the civilian job.<br />
**[[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancé [[Zak Adama]] have his brother [[Lee Adama]] over for dinner in her apartment. Conversation turns to the contradiction in Lee's decision to join the [[Colonial Forces]], in light of his idealism and his disagreements with his father. He frames it as a pragmatic transaction: military service in exchange for a college education.<br />
**Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, Sean Allison, at her home. She eventually recognizes him as a former student from years ago. Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night.<br />
**At the strip bar, Bill Adama asks Saul whether he'd have taken the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br />
**Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak to a couch after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done and challenges Lee to shots.<br />
**Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br />
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*Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty. [[Virtual beings|Virtual Six]] tells him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's]] plan for him, a plan she says he is already following.<br />
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===Act 2=== <br />
Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', final preparations are made for the mission...<br />
* In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] enough medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, leaving Cottle uncharacteristically speechless.<br />
* In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br />
* Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on Hera's likely location: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br />
*In CIC, Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony; Close-range combat - no nuclear weapons and missiles.<br />
* The [[Final Five]] plan to use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to disrupt the Colony's Hybrids, a plan which requires Anders to be brought to [[CIC]] and connected to ''[[Galactica]]'''s computer systems.<br />
* Saul Tigh is disturbed at the sight of gooey wires and conduit used to interface Anders with the battlestar.<br />
* Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back. Similarly, Lee Adama appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br />
* Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon. As Baltar is given a weapon, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]]; a red sash painted on them for identification.<br />
[[File:Daybreak Teaser.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|Adama in CIC during the [[Battle of the Colony]]. Note the extra cables near the control console which connect the ship's systems to Anders.]]<br />
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===Act 3===<br />
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*A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] fully regenerated since the [[Cylon Civil War]], and ready to lead the civilians to safety. ''Galactica'' separates from the fleet, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br />
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*Adama asks to go "around the horn", with the [[Saul Tigh|XO]] calling out combat stations over the loudspeaker.<br />
** In sickbay, Layne Ishay prepares sickbay for wounded, with Laura Roslin assisting as best she can.<br />
** [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s, and the entire Raptor squadron, armed with troops and missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br />
** Lee Adama and his force of marines (including Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]) and red-striped centurions take their positions.<br />
** Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against boarders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br />
** In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br />
** Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br />
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*The battlestar jumps away from the fleet, and [[Battle of the Colony]] begins...<br />
** ''Galactica'' arrives only meters from the edge of the Colony, and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br />
** Ellen starts up Sam Anders, who makes contact with the Colony Hybrids and takes them and the guns offline. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br />
** ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod to the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position. The Raptor jumps, however, cause massive damage to the pod, with gas venting outside from a gaping hole.<br />
** Adama orders the battlestar's engines ahead at flank speed, ramming the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but breach the Colony through the forced entry. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br />
** [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the Colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br />
** Several Raptors, including the one with [[Sharon Agathon]], Helo, and Starbuck, dock and make their way into the Colony.<br />
** Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera when they are under attack, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers. Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck, and takes Hera out of the room.<br />
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===Act 4===<br />
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* The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br />
* [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br />
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* In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. "All of the pieces are falling into place."<br />
* The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. Caprica-Six and Baltar are each surprised that the other can see and hear the avatars.<br />
* With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breached as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br />
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* The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she "owed him one." With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br />
* A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br />
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* Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br />
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* Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, "Stopped for coffee."<ref>This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.</ref> With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br />
[[File:Battery desctuction.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|''Galactica'''s main batteries desperately try to defend the ship.]]<br />
* ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br />
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===Act 5===<br />
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* Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br />
* Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br />
* Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br />
* Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br />
* Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br />
* As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br />
* Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br />
* Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has been visited by angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God (RDM)| Virtual Six once told him]]), "God is not on anyone's side." The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br />
* Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br />
* Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br />
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===Act 6===<br />
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* Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br />
* The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank.<br />
* Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data. Saul jokes that he can't wait to see them.<br />
* Before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see "certain things" of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. "Hey! I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!" Saul brushes the warning off.<br />
* The Five dip their hands and make the connection. A Number Four verifies by wireless that the Colony is receiving the correct information.<br />
* As the data flows to the Colony, the Final Five indeed see each's other's memories: first Anders, then Saul, then Ellen.<br />
* Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br />
* Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br />
* As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated "[[Frak]]!" before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br />
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* High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br />
* The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br />
[[File:Cripple.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' suffers massive hull damage as she completes the jump from the Colony.]]<br />
* Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br />
* She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship. As she enters the coordinates, brief flashbacks are shown, including her finding her own corpse on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and Anders calling her an angel.<br />
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* A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit. She claims she's not completely fearless, though. She admits her biggest fear isn't dying, but being forgotten once she is gone.<br />
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* ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist. The ship suffers myriad hull breaches, but the engines restart.<br />
* Adama orders a damage report from Saul, who walks by Galen Tyrol and the dead body of Tory Foster. Tyrol sits on the floor blankly.<br />
* A flashback shows [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] catching Tyrol and [[Sharon Valerii]] parting after an escapade in his workshop. Cally warns Tyrol that he needs to learn to recognize who he can really count on.<ref name="extended">This scene is in the extended cut of "Daybreak", available on the Season 4.5 Blu-ray disc set.</ref><br />
* Saul notes that while vital systems are still online, ''Galactica'''s structural members--its back--are broken. The ship will never jump again. Wherever they are, they're stuck.<br />
* "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br />
* But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br />
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===Act 7===<br />
[[File:Battlestar Over Africa.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|A crippled ''Galactica'' seen in orbit over the Sahara Desert.]]<br />
* Twelve hours later, the Fleet jumps into the new Earth's orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to new Earth.<br />
* Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world, which unlike the old Earth, is clearly lush and full of life.<br />
* On a green, rich savanna in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically. Adama is astonished that humans just so happened to have evolved on this particular world.<br />
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* At a camp, as Lampkin starts making plans for the construction of a city, Lee Adama gets an idea: "No city. Not this time."<br />
* He later explains his idea to his father: let humanity start all over again. Let the Colonials enter the new world with just their basic possessions, and teach the best parts of themselves to the primitive humans on this world. He explains that humans have always let their brains outrace their hearts. Giving their technology up will hopefully "break the cycle."<br />
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* Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br />
* A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br />
* Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with ''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br />
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* Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, "I'll see you on the other side."<br />
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===Act 8===<br />
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* Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br />
* He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br />
* As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, "Are you a Cylon?" and "Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?" Adama is angered and leaves, saying, "I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word."<br />
* Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br />
[[File:The fleet's end.jpg|thumb|180px|right|The [[fleet]] heading straight into the Sun.]]<br />
* Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br />
* As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br />
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* Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>).<br />
* Before they part, Saul says that if what happened to Cally would've happened to Ellen, he "would've done the same frakkin' thing." As Galen leaves, Saul and Ellen embrace.<br />
* The scene shifts back to Caprica City and the strip club. Ellen arrives and greets Saul. She is ready to celebrate his retirement, and eager to spend all her time with him. She explains that all she's ever wanted was to be with him full-time.<br />
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===Act 9===<br />
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* On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. "A very beautiful world," she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, "Earth is a dream," believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br />
* Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br />
* Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama exchanges his greeting with Thrace one last time, Thrace saying "[[nothing but the rain]]" before Bill hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br />
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* Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. "I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good."<br />
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* A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br />
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* "Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee," Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. "Goodbye, Kara," he says. "You won't be forgotten."<br />
* A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br />
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* In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign. She committs herself "all the way to the end".<br />
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* Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. "So much..life," Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br />
* Bill's thoughts turn to the cabin he intends to build for them. When he turns to Laura to ask about planting a garden, he sees that she is gone.<br />
* In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. Looking back up, he sees a good set of grassy hills ahead. "Right there...I'm gonna build it right there, Laura," he says before setting the Raptor down.<br />
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===Act 10===<br />
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* A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world. Romo Lampkin appears to be in charge. Saul and Ellen Tigh bring up the rear.<br />
* The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch. Helo and Athena squabble playfully over who will teach Hera how to hunt. Hera doesn't care; smiling, she lets go of her parents' hands and runs ahead of them in play. Helo and Athena hold each other's hands instead.<br />
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* Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, "God's plan is never complete." "Great..." Baltar replies sullenly.<br />
* Virtual-Baltar counters, "I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful." Their virtual selves disappear, and Baltar takes Six's hand.<br />
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* Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to "peek" into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]]. He makes clear that he's not doing it for her "employers", but for her, and requests her discretion. He obviously has fallen in love with her.<br />
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* When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Julius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br />
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* Bill Adama sits near a cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body and, looking out into the hills and valley, speaks to her about the cabin he is building.<br />
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* The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city - New York City - 150,000 years later.<br />
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* As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe are the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br />
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[[Image:Angels_rdm.jpg|thumb|Angels Baltar and Six...and a man reading National Geographic.]]<br />
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* As [[Ron D. Moore|a man]] reads about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are those of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br />
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* The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, to Baltar's surprise. She cites the Law of Averages, believing it to be part of God's plan.<br />
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* "You know it doesn't like that name," Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. "Silly. Silly me," he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br />
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* The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of "[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]" plays, ending with an image of [http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-10744-Robot+or+Human%3F+Here%27s+ACTROID.html an attractive-looking female automaton] gazing out over Times Square from a giant outdoor television screen as Six and Baltar walk off into the distance.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
:''See [[Daybreak, Part II/Notes]]''<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
===Who and what guided them===<br />
*The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br />
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:1 = C#<br />
:2 = D<br />
:3 = E<br />
:(4 = F#)<br />
:5 = G#<br />
:6 = A<br />
:(7 = B)<br />
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:The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second "five" (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br />
*The first four numbers of Kara Thrace's jump coordinates -- 1, 1, 2, 3 -- are the first four numbers of the most common Fibonacci Sequence (starting with 1, 1), where each number is the the sum of the previous two. The last four numbers in reverse -- 1, 2, 3, 5 -- are the start of another Fibonacci Sequence (starting with 1, 2).<br />
*Science advisor Kevin Grazier and composer Bear McCreary actually worked out the science behind the jump coordinates/musical score with input from Bradley Thompson. Their conclusion was that the coordinates were based on ''Galactica''<nowiki>i</nowiki>s heading and distance, so the coordinates translate as 112 degrees by 365 degrees (although the maximum value should be 360) with a range of 365,321 [[SU]], or approximately 5.75 Colonial light-years. This indicates that ''Galactica'' only jumped 5.75 light-years from the Colony to Earth, and not some unimaginably vast distance as indicated by Adama's later one million light-year comment.<ref>[http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1760#more-1760 Bear McCreary's Battlestar Blog]</ref><br />
*At least two of the Virtual Beings, Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar, are proven to be entities with their own independent existences, and are not projections from the minds of those who see them. The exact nature of their existence--whether they are literal angels or something else--has not been determined. They have, however, been sent by another being sometimes called "God," who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br />
*Kara Thrace was sent back from the dead by "God" to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in the Music.<br />
*The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br />
* There are at least two distinct Virtual Beings. They have known each other a long time and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Virtual Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof or an actual pedestrian happening by). <br />
* The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the "Big Dipper") appears briefly in this episode by mistake<ref>Revealed by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] in his [http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/my-god-it-full-of-the-wrong-stars/ blog post].</ref>. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" (Orion is also visible in this episode).<br />
* Adama's statement that New Earth is "one million light years" from Kobol must be taken as exaggeration or an error. The Milky Way is 100 000 light years across, and earlier statements in the show indicate that it takes considerable time to travel much shorter distances.<br />
** It's possible that Adama's "million light years" comment is meant metaphorically instead of literally, in essence saying the Colonials have come an unthinkable distance to reach their new home.<br />
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===Reproduction of the Races===<br />
*It is likely that some Ones, Fours, and Fives survived the destruction of the Colony, given that baseships were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. They would not, however, have any long term survival prospects, having failed in both their plan to discover the secret that allowed Hera to be born and their attempt to gain the secrets of resurrection.<br />
*Hera's mate or mates that produced children could be a Colonial human, a native Earth human, or even a another human-Cylon hybrid. All three races are strongly implied to be ancestors of what we consider to be modern day humans.<br />
** The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity through their quasi-parental link with Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes although it is unlikely they have a direct genetic link to us due to their age, deceased status or self imposed isolation.<br />
* Mitochondrial Eve, Hera, is the most recent matrilineal common ancestor for ''all'' people alive on Earth today. Like Hera, all people alive on Earth today carry some Cylon genes along with human genes--no one is one hundred percent "pure" Colonial human, as those who fled the Twelve Colonies were. Assuming that there are no "pure" humans living somewhere else in the universe today (descendants of the tiny number of survivors left behind in the Colonies), this means that humanity, as it was defined by people in the Twelve Colonies, has gone extinct, fulfilling the prophecies about the end of the human race.<br />
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===Miscellaneous===<br />
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] has a walk-on appearance as the browser of the ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br />
*The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br />
* In another piece of irony in a program that is full of such, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the Twelve Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br />
* Even if humanity does repeat the Cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br />
* Ellen says that hopefully the [[Hybrid]]s will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br />
* Cavil's suicide, in the way it is framed and executed, closely mirrors the televised 1987 suicide of American politician [[w:Budd Dwyer|Budd Dwyer]].<br />
* Adama's drunken moment, where he sits against a wall, vomits, and then looks up at the night sky, echoes [[w:Oscar Wilde|Oscar Wilde]]'s famous aphorism: ''We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.''<br />
* Though it was never explicitly states in the Miniseries or after, it seems that Tigh was indeed planning to retire whenever Adama decided to leave the Colonial Military. The flashbacks in this episode to Saul and Ellen Tigh in the bar make it clear that Tigh is planning on following Adama out of the service. However Adama, as viewers come to see, decides ultimately to finish out his last years as the CO of ''Galactica'' despite reservations. Tigh obviously followed. This also sheds more light on Tigh's eventual estrangement from Ellen - which was where their relationship was at in the miniseries. The bitterness she doubtless felt at Tigh once again choosing Bill Adama over her was probably a factor in not only her noted loose behaviour, but their growing estrangement before the war.<br />
*It is not entirely clear when in Adama's career he decided to pursue the idea of a civilian job as seen in both parts of "Daybreak". Dialogue during the lie detector test scene suggests Adama has been given his orders to command ''Galactica'', but is considering resigning before taking up the post. However, Adama notes in his initial interview with his prospective employer in the previous episode that he has already commanded two battlestars. One of these is obviously ''[[Valkyrie]]'', but it is not clear if Adama is already referring to ''Galactica'' as the second command (which could also suggest he is already commanding ''Galactica'' at the time this flashback is set and is considering his resignation when on leave from that ship), or to another battlestar that Adama once commanded but has never been mentioned before.<br />
* The Colonials do not seem keen on preserving any aspects of their culture, such as the arts or traditions. In essence, by destroying their technology, they are destroying the last remnants of a 2000+ year old culture, the likes of which may never be seen again.<br />
* In [[Sharon Valerii]]'s flashback immediately after she was killed by [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]], then-Commander Adama was upbraiding her for her constant poor landings he, among other things, told her she was not to let her personal life get in the way. This is a direct reference to the fact that she is still struggling with survivors guilt over her parents deaths on [[Troy (RDM)|Troy]], which occurred when she was undergoing training in the Colonial Military. The "deaths" of her parents were staged, however, by the Cylons who destroyed the colony of Troy to coincide with Valerii's activation as a sleeper agent. (The scenes were filmed, but cut from the aired version of the episode.) <br />
* Chief Engineer Galen Tyrol's decision to travel to a highland area, which is implied to be Scotland, is a possible nod to the ''Star Trek'' character [[MemoryAlpha:Montgomery Scott|"Scotty"]], another famous science fiction engineer.<br />
*According to Ron Moore, the island Tyrol mentions was intended to be [[w:Vancouver Island|Vancouver Island]] as a nod to the show's production site of Vancouver, British Columbia. [[Aaron Douglas]] however interpreted the line as a reference to Scotland and the reference to the highlands was then added.<br />
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== Questions ==<br />
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* What happened to the newly liberated Centurions?<br />
* What happened to the Raiders?<br />
* Why does "God" want the Cycle to be broken?<br />
** On that note, ''can'' the Cycle be broken?<br />
* What was the "similar incident" Skulls was starting to tell Racetrack about just before they were killed?<br />
* What is the 'it' that does not like to be called 'God', and why does it "not like that name"?<br />
* What is the date in the final scene?<br />
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== Official Statements ==<br />
*[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html Chicago Tribune article] with remarks from Ron Moore, David Eick, Mary McDonnell, and Edward James Olmos.<br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
*''Virtual Baltar says the last line of the series as he walks down a street of modern day New York City with Virtual Six. Baltar questions what God wants to be really called:''<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''' (moving in closer to V-Six, whispers): "You know it doesn't like that name!"<br />
:'''Virtual Six''' (Doesn't answer vocally but her expression says "C'mon! you know better than that!"): ...........<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''' (Seeing her reaction): "Silly Me.....silly, silly me."<br />
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*''The Galactica is about to jump to The Colony and into harms way:''<br />
:'''William Adama''': "Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'' has seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway."<br />
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*''The Final Five are about to to stick their hand into Anders's hybrid tank and through that the [[datastream]] They are about to download the technical data of Resurrection to the Cavil Faction's Colony as agreed. As they do so their minds will essentially become one and they will all know each other's secrets whether they want to share or not. Tory Foster is unusually agitated and nervous:''<br />
:'''Tory Foster''' (hesitantly with slight fear): "There are things that....that we've all done. Certain things that...people would be shocked.... to learn about."<br />
:'''Cavil''' (shouting): "HEY! I DON'T MEAN TO RUSH YOU BUT YOU ARE KEEPING TWO CIVILIZATIONS WAITING!" <br />
:'''Tory Foster''' (voice trembling slightly): Let's....Let's just all agree that no matter what we learn about each other...we're all Cylons and we're all capable of making mistakes."<br />
:''(Those were her last words. Less than two minutes later, Tyrol learns of Tory murdering Cally and kills Tory by snapping her neck. She was being strangled too tightly to say anything else.)''<br />
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*''Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.''<br />
:'''Cavil''': "Frak!"<br />
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*''Nuclear missles hitting it, have disturbed the Colony's balanced orbit, immediately causing it to start falling into the Singularity and it is dragging Galactica with it. Starbuck is frantically attempting to figure out the jump coordinates. This is a lyric from the song "All Along the Watchtower.''''<br />
:'''Starbuck''': "There must be some kind of way out of here!" <br />
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*''Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.''<br />
:'''Virtual Six''': "All of this has happened before..."<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''': "But the question remains: does all of this have to happen again?"<br />
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*''Sam Anders, essentially Galactica's Hybrid, says his last words to Kara Thrace after she leaves his side.''<br />
:'''Samuel Anders''': "[[Maelstrom|See you on the other side]]."<br />
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*''In a flashback after saying goodbye to Galen Tyrol, Ellen and Saul Tigh are celebrating Saul's upcoming retirement two years before the Fall.''<br />
:'''Ellen Tigh''': Tonight, we are going to celebrate your retirement and all the time I'm gonna get to spend with my ''husband''! ''[She kisses him.]''<br />
:'''Saul Tigh''': Are you good with that?<br />
:'''Ellen Tigh''': Ohhhhh... Saul! All I've ever wanted was to be with you. Not just weekend liberties or...or two weeks' leave a year. I mean full-time, you and me. Together, in a...in a house, in a tent...homeless and on the street... just be together.<br />
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*''While sitting under some trees on the savanna in Africa, William Adama explains to Laura Roslin why they chose to name their new planet [[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|Earth]].''<br />
:'''William Adama''': Earth is a dream...one we've been chasing for a long time. We've earned it. This is Earth. <br />
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*''Baltar to Caprica Six on New Earth in unspoken reference about his father''<br />
:'''Baltar''': "You know, I know about farming." (sobs)<br />
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*''Laura Roslin is speaking to Dr. Cottle about the state of her health which both know it is grave with only a few days to live. Also, she is about to essentially go into battle to retrieve Hera and the Doctor appears to be on the verge of choking up:''<br />
:'''Laura Roslin''': "Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble."<br />
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*''Former Admiral of the Fleet William Adama is showing Laura their new home on New Earth in a Raptor. She sees a herd of gazelles stampeding at the sight of the Raptor over the lush and rich landscape and says her last words:''<br />
:'''Roslin''': "So much life..."<br />
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*''William Adama is sitting on a high ridge, looking out on a spectacular view of the savannah. Nearby is Laura Roslin's grave, and his last spoken words in the series are to her:'' <br />
:'''William Adama''': "I laid out the cabin today. It's gonna have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."<br />
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*''Boomer has just given over Hera to Athena, saving her life from Cavil and Simon dissection-and both redeeming herself and condemning herself to death'' <br />
:'''Boomer''' (to Athena): "Tell the old man, I owed him one."<br />
:'''Athena''' (angrily) "Doesn't change anything you did though!"<br />
:'''Boomer''' (shakes her head slightly): "No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think its my last one."<br />
:'''Starbuck''': "All right this is really touching. Now can we get the frak out of here!?!"<br />
:'''Boomer''' (to Starbuck): "You should know that your Raptor been destroyed. You can't go back that way." <br />
:(Athena passes Hera to Helo)<br />
:'''Athena''': "Yeah well, that is not the plan."<br />
:'''Starbuck''' (sardonically): "Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?"<br />
:'''Athena''': "Right."<br />
:''(Athena and Boomer look each other in the eye for a moment. Athena raises her weapon. Boomer does not try to flee, accepting, if not welcoming her fate. Athena fires. Boomer is dead before she hits the deck.)''<br />
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== Guest Stars ==<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br />
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br />
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br />
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br />
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant/Admiral [[Louis Hoshi]]<br />
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]<br />
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br />
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br />
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br />
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br />
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br />
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br />
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br />
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br />
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br />
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br />
* [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br />
* [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br />
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br />
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<div>:''This article discusses the [[Mercury class battlestar]] from the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For the episode of the same name, see [[Pegasus (episode)]]. For other meanings of '''Pegasus''', see [[Pegasus (disambiguation)]].''<br />
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{{Ship Data|<br />
image= BSPegasus.jpg<br />
| title= Pegasus (BS 62)<br />
| race= Colonial<br />
| type= Military<br />
| ftl= Yes<br />
| crew= Approximately 1,750 <ref>The [[survivor count]] increases by this number in the episode "Pegasus". Before that, the battlestar lost approximately 700 crewmen during the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards|attack on the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] and a further 100 during its [[Battle of the Communications Relay|attack on a Cylon communications relay]].</ref><br />
| length= 1.79km/5,872 ft<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 BSG CGI designer Mojo confirms battlestar sizes]</ref><br />
| co= [[Lee Adama]] (At time of loss)<br />
| xo= [[Anastasia Dualla]] (At time of loss)<br />
| role= Carrier / Battleship <br />
| weapons= 34 Primary [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]] (30 twin turrets, 4 fixed twin mounts) and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, Vipers, Raptors<br />
| status= Destroyed in [[Battle of New Caprica]]<br />
| img= Y<br />
}}<br />
'''''Pegasus'' (BS 62)''' is a [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]], commanded by Rear Admiral [[Helena Cain]] during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].<br />
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Technologically more advanced and far greater in size and firepower than the to-be-decommissioned ''[[Galactica]]'', ''Pegasus'' is presumed destroyed in the Cylon attack, but had in fact survived, eventually finding and joining ''Galactica'' and its civilian fleet. It serves a significant role in the Colonial struggle for survival until the [[Battle of New Caprica|exodus]] from [[New Caprica]]. <br />
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In the [[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Extended Cut]] of the episode "Pegasus" Admiral Cain states that the ship is nearly twice the size of ''Galactica'', but needs only half the crew. This probably refers to either the dual [[landing bay|landing bays]] or the ship's volume, but not its length. The decreased manpower requirement stems from increased computerization and automation. This is also evident in the comparatively small size of the ''Pegasus'' [[CIC]].<br />
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''Pegasus'' is informally nicknamed "The Beast" within the Fleet ([[The Captain's Hand]]).<br />
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==History==<br />
[[Image:Pegasus, Scorpion Shipyards.jpg|thumb|right|''Pegasus'' docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]].]]<br />
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Prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], ''Pegasus'' was a prize assignment in the Colonial Fleet. [[Frank Bruno]] at the [[Caprica Transfer Station]] tells [[Kendra Shaw]] that "half the officers on this base would kill to get posted to that ship". It is apparently important enough for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] as a military target to infiltrate, as [[Gina Inviere]] (a [[Number Six]] copy) assumes the role of network administrator on the ship ([[Razor]]). [[William Adama]] mentions the reputation of Cain and her ship to President [[Laura Roslin]] ("[[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]", extended version).<br />
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown3.jpg|thumb|right|''Pegasus'' taking heavy fire.]]<br />
Weeks before the Fall ''Pegasus'' docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], where she was to undergo a three-month systems overhaul. All of the ship’s networked [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series|computers]] were taken off-line in preparation of the refit, leaving the heavily automated ship partially inoperative but also less vulnerable to electronic attacks. When the Cylons launch a surprise assault against the shipyard, they are only able to shut down ''Pegasus's'' weapons grid and navigational computer. The attack works in extreme favor of the Cylons, and they overtake the installation in a matter of minutes. However, the multiple nuclear weapons that they detonate create an [[EMP]] that blinds their [[DRADIS]], leaving them temporarily unaware of Colonial movement in the immediate area. Admiral Cain uses this to her advantage and orders her ship to [[Blind jump|randomly jump without a coordinates check]].<br />
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[[Image:Centurion on Pegasus.jpg|thumb|right|A [[Centurion]] on ''Pegasus''.]]<br />
After their escape, Cain leads ''Pegasus'' on a series of hit-and-run attacks against Cylon assets. One such [[Battle of the Communications Relay|attack]] is against what is thought to be a lightly-defended communications relay but turns out to be a staging area with fifteen squadrons of [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s. When Cain's long-time executive officer [[Jurgen Belzen]] refuses her order to launch all of the ships' Vipers, calling it suicide, she summarily executes him in CIC and promotes [[Jack Fisk]] to replace him. During the battle, the [[Cylon agent]] [[Gina]] allows a party of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to breach the ship's defenses and board, resulting in heavy casualties. When Gina is exposed as a Cylon, she kills several Marines before she is subdued. Once imprisoned, Admiral Cain directs her crew to use extreme methods, including gang-rape and other physical and emotional abuse, to break the prisoner.<br />
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Some time later, ''Pegasus'' realizes that a Cylon fleet it is tracking is not jumping randomly but is following a path along systems with natural resources. When it jumps to scout the Cylons' next projected position, ''Pegasus'' encounters the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] led by ''[[Galactica]]''; it turns out the Cylons are jumping to systems ''Galactica'' has passed through or explored. Cain assumes overall command of the Fleet and begins transferring supplies and personnel between the two battlestars, including Captain [[Lee Adama]] and Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]]. Cain's indifference to the needs of the civilian ships prompts President [[Laura Roslin]] to raise her concerns with Commander [[William Adama]].<br />
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When Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and Lieutenant [[Karl Agathon]] inadvertently kill Cain's chief "Cylon interrogator" Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]], Admiral Cain has no reservations sentencing them to death.<ref>During his interrogation by Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Chief Tyrol mentions that he served aboard a number of battlestars in his military career, including ''Pegasus'', but doesn't mention if Cain was in command at the time. If she was and ever knew him then, she makes no mention of it.</ref> Commander Adama demands their return, precipitating an armed standoff between the two ships ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). The two later set aside their animosity and join forces to successfully destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. During the immediate celebrations that follow, however, Cain is ambushed in her quarters by Gina, who shoots her and escapes from the battlestar undetected ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br />
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Jack Fisk succeeds Cain as commander of ''Pegasus'', who in turn is murdered after running afoul of the Fleet's illicit black market ([[Black Market]]). Command then falls briefly to chief engineer-turned-commander [[Barry Garner]], who dies saving the ship during the [[Battle of the Binary Star System]]. ''Pegasus's'' final commander is Lee Adama ([[The Captain's Hand]]), with his wife [[Anastasia Dualla]] later serving as his XO ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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===A Lost Civilian Fleet===<br />
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''Pegasus'' encounters its own small fleet of 15 civilian ships, found about a week after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. Rather than defend them as ''Galactica'' did its own at [[Ragnar Anchorage]], Admiral Cain uses them as a source of spare parts, deciding that ''Pegasus's'' military needs take priority over theirs.<br />
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Cain also reviews their passenger lists and draws up a list of selectees, people such as aeronautical engineer [[Peter Laird]] who would be of value, to forcibly draft into her crew. However, some are with their families and refuse to leave them. Facing an uprising aboard the civilian transport ''[[Scylla]]'' that spreads to the other ships, Admiral Cain orders Colonel Fisk to shoot the families of any who resist. When the angry crowd gets violent, Lieutenant [[Kendra Shaw]] and her Marines carry out the order, killing 10 people and cowing the rest into submission.<br />
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The civilian ships are stripped of useful items, including their weapons and FTL drives, and are left to their fate as ''Pegasus'' resumes her campaign of hit-and-run attacks against the Cylons ("[[Razor]]", "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]").<br />
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===New Caprica===<br />
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Following the founding of [[New Caprica]], ''Pegasus'' is assigned to the Orbital Defense Force that protects the planet. During this time, Commander [[Lee Adama]] keeps an emergency supply of medication aboard for the pilots, despite the fact that their crew are severely depleted due to colonization of the planet. One year after the founding the colony, the Cylons return in force. Unable to defend the planet, ''Pegasus'' and the remaining ships orbiting the planet jump away ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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Four months later, ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' plan a rescue mission to recover the people left on the planet ([[Occupation]]). While the plans initially called for the involvement of ''Pegasus'' in the recovery, Admiral Adama decides that the remnants of the Fleet, the last free people of humanity, should not be left unprotected if things went awry. Adama takes ''Galactica'' in the rescue effort without ''Pegasus'', ordering his son to stay with the Fleet at a rendezvous point to await their return ("[[Precipice]]", "[[Exodus, Part I]]").<br />
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Despite Adama's orders, ''Pegasus'' leaves her fighters to protect the remains of the Fleet and returns to New Caprica to participate in the rescue. ''Pegasus'' jumps into the fight and finds ''Galactica'' under fire from four Cylon basestars. ''Pegasus'' destroys one of the baseships with her forward batteries and attracts the attention of the others while ''Galactica'' repairs its FTL drive and prepares to jump away.<br />
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[[Image:Pegaus Ram (3).jpg|thumb|Pegasus' destruction.]]<br />
''Pegasus'' reels from the onslought of missiles from the remaining Cylon basestars. It becomes clear to Admiral Adama that ''Pegasus's'' trip was one-way. Following ''Galactica's'' jump, Commander Adama sets his battlestar's batteries on auto-fire and orders the crew to abandon ship, pausing just long enough to give his dying command a quiet thanks. As the evacuation Raptors jump away, ''Pegasus'', mortally damaged and now completely unmanned, collides with a basestar, destroying it. As ''Pegasus'' explodes, the remains of her starboard [[flight pod]] collides with another basestar, destroying it as well ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br />
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== Equipment ==<br />
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''Pegasus'' has built-in electronic countermeasure (ECM) generators to ward off missiles aimed at the ship ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br />
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''Pegasus'' also has [[Viper Mark VII]] production facilities, allowing the ship to re-arm itself on extended deployments, provided the battlestar has access to raw materials such as ore ([[Scar]]).<br />
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''Pegasus'' also has two Raptor take off pads on both sides of the flight pods seen in the ([[Razor]])<br />
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==Air Wing==<br />
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''Pegasus'' operates at least 10 squadrons of Viper Mark VII space fighters. During the [[Battle of the Binary Star System]] four [[:Category:Fighter squadrons|color-coded squadrons]] are identified verbally and on the [[DRADIS]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]). Since these designations are later used for very different squadrons led by different people, they are very likely just [[wireless]] callsigns. Moreover, the standing [[Squadrons of Galactica|squadrons on ''Galactica'']] have more elaborate names and are numbered; such as the [[Vigilantes]]. The colors and group leaders could be assigned on an ad-hoc basis, while a more formal structure exists in the background. <br />
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Given that ''Pegasus'' suffers over 90 Viper casualties with 32 being destroyed during its [[Battle of the Communications Relay|attack on a Cylon communications relay]] ([[Razor]]), but is still able to field a sizable Viper complement at the time of encountering ''Galactica'', this suggests that her initial Viper load out was very large. The exact number of Vipers per squadron for a full-strength battlestar is unknown. However, ''Pegasus'' fielded approx 8 squadrons of Vipers and 2 reserve squadrons, the number of Vipers per squadron must have been 20 to equal up to 200 Vipers.<br />
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''Pegasus'' has approximately 50 [[Raptor]]s, since they've lost over half of their fighters and recon craft, and 20 Raptors can be deployed for the [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] rescue mission, while ''Galactica'' alone appears to have difficulties deploying more than about 5 Raptors at one time ("[[The Farm]]", "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]").<br />
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==Crew==<br />
====Senior Staff at Time of Destruction====<br />
*Commander [[Lee Adama]] - Commanding officer<br />
*Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]] - [[Executive officer]]<br />
*Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]] - [[Communications officer]]<br />
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====Former Members of the Senior Staff====<br />
*Rear Admiral [[Helena Cain]] - Commanding officer (Killed by [[Gina]])<br />
*Commander [[Jack Fisk]] - Commanding officer (Killed by racketeers in the [[Black market (organization)|black market]])<br />
*Commander [[Barry Garner]] - Commanding officer (Killed in action)<br />
*Major [[Kendra Shaw]] - Cain's aide; [[Lee Adama]]'s XO (Killed in action by destroying the [[Guardian basestar]])<br />
*Colonel [[Jurgen Belzen]] - Executive officer (Killed by Admiral Cain)<br />
*Captain [[Cole Taylor]] - [[CAG|Commander, Air Group]] (Demoted by Admiral Cain)<br />
*Captain [[Kara Thrace]] - Commander, Air Group (Replaced Cole Taylor in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]" but transferred to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' at some time after "[[Razor]]")<br />
*Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] - Cylon interrogator (Killed by [[Galen Tyrol]])<br />
*[[Peter Laird]] - Chief of the deck (Civilian conscripted by Admiral Cain; later murdered by [[Tom Zarek]])<br />
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==Notes==<br />
*According to [[David Eick]]'s video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of ''Pegasus'' on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's ''Lost In Space'' remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, eventually using them for "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]". The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.<br />
*This ship is named after [[w:Pegasus|the winged horse from Greek mythology]].<br />
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== Related Imagery ==<br />
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<gallery><br />
Image:Pegasus01.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Front view &nbsp; &nbsp;<br />
Image:Pegasus_Hi-Res_1a.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Vipers landing &nbsp; &nbsp;<br />
Image:Pegasus_Hi-Res_5a.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Gun batteries &nbsp; &nbsp;<br />
Image:Pegasus 217 1080i rescale.jpg|''Pegasus'' - Side angle &nbsp; &nbsp;<br />
Image:Pegasus flight pod turret.jpg|''Pegasus'' flight pod turrets<br />
Image:Pegasus engine room.jpg|A part of ''Pegasus'''s engine room.<br />
Image:PegasusInterior Office2.jpg|Admiral Cain's office.<br />
Image:PegasusInterior BriefingRoom.jpg|Pilot [[briefing room]].<br />
Image:PegasusInterior Brig.jpg|The [[Brig]].<br />
Image:CIC - Pegasus (Razor).jpg|[[CIC]] ([[Razor]]).<br />
Image:PegasusInterior CIC3.jpg|CIC ([[The Captain's Hand]]).<br />
Image:PegasusInterior CICHallway.jpg|Hallway and entrance to CIC (The Captain's Hand).<br />
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<div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''<br />
{{Ship Data<br />
| image= Galactica Overview.jpg<br />
| title= Galactica (BS 75)<br />
| race= Colonial<br />
| type= Military<br />
| ftl= Yes<br />
| crew= Approximately 2,641 <br />
| length= 1.445km/4,740 ft<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 BSG CGI designer Mojo confirms sizes of battlestars]</ref><br />
| co= Admiral [[William Adama]]<br />
| xo= [[Saul Tigh]] <br />
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid<br />
| weapons= As many as 514 dual point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], 24 primary dual Kinetic Energy Weapons, at least 12 [[missile tubes]] capable of firing conventional and nuclear missiles, Vipers, Raptors<br />
| status= Abandoned, flown into a sun with the Fleet ([[Daybreak, Part II]])<br />
| img= Y<br />
}}<br />
'''''Galactica'' (BS 75)''' is a [[Galactica type battlestar|veteran battlestar]] and the last of her kind still in service with the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Twelve Colonies]]. Built during the early days of the [[Cylon War]], she remains the only military vessel without integrated [[Computers|computer networks]]. Without networked computers, ''Galactica'' never upgrades to the new [[Command Navigation Program|integrated defense system software]] developed by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Number Six|team]]. Because of this and other factors, she becomes one of only two known battlestars (the other being ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'') to survive the renewed Cylon attack on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. At the time of this attack, she was part of the 75th [[Battlestar Group]] (BSG-75).<br />
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== History ==<br />
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=== The First Cylon War ===<br />
[[Image:Mini gal top.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A dorsal view of ''Galactica''. The starboard [[flight pod]] is covered by a window to form the [[Galactica Museum|museum area]].]]<br />
''Galactica'' was one of the first twelve battlestars to be constructed by the Colonials, each representing one of the twelve colonies; ''Galactica'' represented [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. As such, she is some 50 years old. While solidly built, various factors during ''Galactica's'' construction led to the shipyard "cutting corners" when she was originally built, with various components not completed to spec ([[No Exit]]). Following the outbreak of Cylon hostilities several more battlestars were built. ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> first commander was named [[Nash]].<br />
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The original battlestars were all designed with non-integrated computer systems to avoid the Cylons' demonstrated ability to override or subvert networked command and control systems early in the war ([[Miniseries]]). Rather than technological sophistication, the battlestar depended on its sheer bulk and defensive / offensive capabilities to ward off any threats to itself or the Colonies. <br />
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After the [[Final Five|rather mysterious]] Cylon [[Armistice Station|armistice]], and their withdrawal from Colonial space, ''Galactica'' and her sister ships served the Twelve Colonies in a variety of roles. While her surviving sister ships were scrapped or upgraded to match the systems capabilities of newer Colonial vessels, ''Galactica'' continued in service without her systems being fully networked or integrated, making her unique among Colonial military vessels. '' Galactica'' was relegated to intra-system duties for at least 20 years prior to her decommissioning.<ref>This is inferred by [[Saul Tigh]] in his reaction to Commander Adama's decision for a [[FTL]] jump ([[Miniseries, Night 1]]).</ref><br />
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=== Decommissioning ===<br />
[[Image:Ragnar Escape.jpg|200px|right|thumb|''Galactica'' provides cover for civilian ships during the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]].]]<br />
With her active career drawing to a close, a decision was taken to retire ''Galactica'' and decommission her from service. Colonial Fleet chose not to scrap her, but to turn her into a combination of living museum to the original Cylon War and an educational center, with her conversion being overseen by her final commander, [[William Adama]].<br />
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At the time of her formal decommissioning ceremony, ''Galactica'' is stripped of all but one of her operational [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] Mark VII squadrons, her munitions are destroyed, and her starboard landing pod is converted into a pressurized [[Galactica Museum|museum]] which houses (among other things) a full squadron of [[Viper Mark II|Mk. II Vipers]] as well as a Viper model that appears [[Viper (TOS)|older than the Mark II]] (Miniseries, also in deleted scenes).<br />
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=== Return of the Cylons ===<br />
[[Image:Mini side fleet.jpg|thumb|right|200px|''Galactica'' and the [[fleet]].]]<br />
With the renewed and unexpected Cylon hostilities, ''Galactica'' is quickly brought back to combat condition and sorties several Mark IIs retrieved from her museum, engaging in her first battle with the Cylons in over 40 years (all but one last Mark VII squadron were sent to Caprica for reassignment). She survives a direct hit by a tactical nuclear missile, and later [[FTL|jumps]] successfully to [[Ragnar Anchorage]] to replenish her empty ammunition stores at this strategic depot.<br />
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''Galactica'' emerges from the anchorage and engages one [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] with her gun batteries, providing cover for [[The Fleet (RDM)|a fleet of 75 civilian ships]] harboring survivors of the Twelve Colonies. Once the entire civilian fleet successfully jumps away, and as a second basestar approaches to join the battle, ''Galactica'' recovers her remaining Vipers and jumps to the rendezvous point beyond the [[Red Line]], never to return to Colonial space ([[Miniseries]]). <br />
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=== Leading a Ragtag Fleet ===<br />
[[Image:Ep212battle.jpg|200px|right|thumb|''Galactica'' and [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] work together during the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]].]]<br />
Since the exodus of the Colonials from their overrun homeworlds, ''Galactica'' becomes both protector and provider for the Fleet. She provides covering fire for the Fleet during Cylon attacks no fewer than 240 times ("[[33]]", "[[Act of Contrition]]"). The battlestar provides much of the Fleet with recycled water ([[Water]]) and she is the primary source of medical care, where groups of civilians are periodically brought aboard for check-ups and treatment ([[Litmus]]). ''Galactica'' also undertakes internal policing duties within the Fleet ("[[Water]]", "[[Bastille Day]]").<br />
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''Galactica'' successfully goes on the offensive against the Cylons, capturing a [[tylium]] fuel mining and processing plant in the process ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).<br />
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The [[Mercury class battlestar|advanced battlestar]] ''Pegasus'', commanded by Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], joins ''Galactica'' approximately 6 months into their exile (See the series [[Timeline (RDM)|timeline]] for special information about this milestone). The two battlestars destroy two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] as well as a critical Cylon support ship known as the [[Resurrection Ship]]. After Admiral Cain's death, President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] promotes William Adama to Admiral, restoring him to overall Fleet command, but now with two battlestars at his disposal ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br />
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===New Caprica===<br />
[[Image:Leaving New Caprica.jpg|thumb|right|200px|''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and the orbiting fleet prior to leaving [[New Caprica]].]] <br />
Following the founding of [[New Caprica]], ''Galactica'' is assigned to the orbital defense force that protects the planet. During this time the majority of her crew are allowed to the surface in an effort to populate the planet and restore the human race, a majority of whom are seemingly convinced that the Cylons will never find New Caprica. The diminished crew inevitably results in standard maintenance becoming overlooked or ignored; basic military responses, such as the launching of alert fighters and routine training exercises become difficult to execute. One year following the founding of New Caprica, a fleet of Cylon ships jump into orbit of the planet. Severely limited in their abilities, Admiral Adama orders the defense fleet to jump away from New Caprica along with a handful of civilian ships still in orbit of the colony. They vow to eventually return to New Caprica and liberate it from the Cylon invaders ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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===[[Battle of New Caprica]]===<br />
[[Image:BONC.jpg|thumb|right|200px|''Galactica'' takes a pounding during the [[Battle of New Caprica]].]]<br />
Four months after their escape, ''Galactica'''s staff is still in the process of developing a rescue strategy with 16 training exercises having been completed and a 17th underway when an accident causes its early cessation ([[Occupation]]). This forces both a change in strategy and the reformulation of a rescue plan to deal with personnel who have not seen conflict in 16 months. While ''Galactica'' fights to liberate the Colonials on-planet, ''Pegasus'' is assigned to protect the remaining civilian fleet and continue its search for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ("[[Precipice]]", "[[Exodus, Part I]]").<br />
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After coordinating with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], ''Galactica'' leaves ''Pegasus'' to guard the space-bound members of humanity while it uses a series of drones to misdirect the bulk of the Cylon Raiders and avoid immediate detection by baseships, thus allowing the civilians on the planet to escape to their ships and flee New Caprica.<br />
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''Galactica'' then jumps into low orbit, plummeting from an altitude of 100,000 feet. As the ship falls, Admiral Adama orders the launch of all remaining Vipers. ''Galactica'' then jumps back into orbit. In the subsequent battle with the orbiting basestars, ''Galactica'' is overtaxed, out-gunned, and faces destruction when ''Pegasus'' unexpectedly arrives. ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> salvos draw the attention of the basestars away from ''Galactica'', buying ''Galactica'' time to bring her [[FTL|FTL drives]] back on-line and escape, but at the cost of ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> destruction ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br />
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''Galactica'' bears the scars of the battle with significant scorching and dents to the hull. Nonetheless, the battlestar remains combat ready, holding off a superior Cylon force for a short duration in the [[Battle of NCD2539]] ([[A Measure of Salvation]]), and threatening to use its nuclear arsenal twice after New Caprica ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Crossroads, Part II]]"). Given the loss of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' now boasts a larger crew, Viper and Raptor complement, to the point where there are more pilots than there are ships to fly ([[Torn]]), although the training of new recruits is still ongoing ("[[Dirty Hands]]", "[[Crossroads]]", "[[He That Believeth in Me]]"). Further, there are various redundancies between the two crews that are appropriately dealt with (e.g. [[Lee Adama]] in a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)|deleted scene]] from "[[Exodus, Part II]]").<br />
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In "[[A Day in the Life]]", Colonel Tigh comments that ''Galactica'' took so much damage in this battle that it would "take six weeks in dry dock just to bang out the dents". This indicates that the damage is extensive enough to require a significant amount time (probably months) for full repair, and would be unlikely to survive a massive battle again. <br />
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=== Resuming the Search for Earth ===<br />
''Galactica'' takes aboard a significant quantity of civilians following the exodus from New Caprica, as several civilian ships are lost during the escape from the failed colony. Cramped conditions increase as crew and civilians struggle to adapt to life back aboard a ship. The civilians reside on the refurbished starboard hangar deck as a refugee camp nicknamed "[[Camp Oil Slick]]" and later "Dogsville" ("[[Torn]]", "[[The Woman King]]").<br />
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During a [[The Passage|food shortage crisis]] caused by contamination of the Fleet's food processing systems, ''Galactica'' (along with her Raptors acting as pilot ships) guides the civilian Fleet through an area of intense heat, light and radiation caused by a [[Passage (star cluster)|dense star cluster]] to reach edible resources on the [[algae planet]]. ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> heavy armor and radiation shielding protect her from the intense effects of the cluster, but the ship still suffers hull damage and decompressions.<br />
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The ship confronts a Cylon fleet and barely escapes a nova during [[Eye of Jupiter|the events over the algae planet]], jumping out at the last moment after recovering its ground teams and additional data on a way-point to Earth known to the Colonials as the [[Ionian nebula]] ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Rapture]]"). Repairs continue on the journey to the Ionian nebula. Damage to one particular airlock nearly causes the deaths of Galen and Cally Tyrol during what they expected to be a quick repair of a hull micro-fracture ([[A Day in the Life]]). <br />
[[Image:BOTIM.jpg|thumb|left|200px|''Galactica'' is outnumbered during the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]].]]<br />
When the Fleet reaches the nebula, four Cylon baseships are detected following an unexplained power outage. With the entire Fleet crippled and unable to escape, ''Galactica'' scrambles her Vipers and prepares for a lopsided fight, outnumbered and outgunned ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|following battle]], ''Galactica'' manages to hold off the main attack of the massive Cylon attack force. Despite the damage suffered in previous engagements, the old warship wields her main guns and point defense batteries effectively again in defense of the Fleet. During the battle ''Galactica'' takes many hits while covering the Fleet although without crippling damage. Despite having the advantage, and managing to destroy or damage several civilian ships, the Cylons retreat in the middle of the battle, after detecting one of the [[Final Five]] among the Colonials ([[He That Believeth in Me]]).<br />
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''Galactica'' is once forced to prepare for a battle against the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]], but the ''[[Demetrius]]'' arrives to defuse the situation. In the wake of the basestar disappearing from the Fleet ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]), [[Saul Tigh]] assumes command of ''Galactica'', jumping along with the Fleet ([[Sine Qua Non]]).<br />
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After [[Kara Thrace]] picks up a strange signal in [[Starbuck's Viper|her Viper]], the Colonials have a direct bearing towards Earth. Shortly later, after several years of searching, ''Galactica'' and her Fleet finally make the last jump to Earth ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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=== Post-Earth ===<br />
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After discovering [[Earth]] is a nuclear wasteland, discipline and morale on ''Galactica'' fall dramatically and the overall cleanliness of the ship suffers, e.g. outside [[CIC]], the words "Frak Earth" are spray-painted on the walls ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]). When former deck chief [[Galen Tyrol]] disables the FTL drive, foiling the mutineers' escape with the ship, he discovers multiple tears in the chamber's walls, a sign that the aging battlestar's structural integrity is faltering ([[Blood on the Scales]]).<br />
[[Image:Damaged Galactica.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A heavily damaged ''Galactica''.]] <br />
A structural survey of the ship fins several torn supports and weakened areas in the hull, and a more in-depth examination finds endemic metal fatigue throughout the ship, with virtually every part of the hull riddled with small cracks and fissures.<br />
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''Galactica's'' advanced age, the corners cut during construction and the abuse it has been put through since the war started contributed to its condition. Tyrol suggests treating the damaged parts of the ship with an [[Cylon organic resin|organic Cylon resin]] from the [[Rebel Baseship]], which would fill the cracks and bear the stresses, which Adama at first refuses. However, Adama finally appreciates ''Galactica's'' dire condition when he finds a tear in a bulkhead in his quarters, and orders Tyrol to carry out his plan to repair the ship ([[No Exit]]). Tyrol later says that the resin will buy more time but the ship's integrity has been fundamentally weakened and it might not survive more FTL jumps- it is impossible to say how long she can hold. ''Galactica'' is dying of old age and accumulated battle damage.<br />
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Later ''Galactica'' is damaged even further when [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] jumps away very close to the hull. The resulting spatial distortion of her Raptor's FTL jump causes what appears to be buckling and explosive decompression in several sections of the alligator head of ''Galactica'' on her port side ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). This causes a chain reaction of explosions, structural failures and power outages throughout many parts of the ship including CIC.<br />
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At first refusing to accept the reality of the ship's fate, Admiral Adama gives the emotionally painful order to stop the repairs and begin the process of abandoning ship, moving to the Rebel Baseship as the Fleet's new flagship ([[Islanded In a Stream of Stars]]).<br />
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As the ship is slowly offloaded of parts and personnel, the Admiral relents one last time, stops the scrapping of the battlestar, and calls for volunteers for what will likely be a ''Galactica's'' final mission- to get the kidnapped Hera back from Cavil's Cylon colony ([[Daybreak, Part I]]).<br />
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=== Endgame: [[Battle of The Colony|Battle of The Colony]] ===<br />
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[[Image:Battleofthecolony.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|''Galactica'' takes massive hits seconds after jumping to [[The Colony]].]]<br />
With a skeleton crew and a frail battlestar, Admiral Adama executes a daring mission to rescue Hera Agathon.<br />
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''Galactica'' jumps to the Colony at point-blank range. Besieged by the Colony's gun batteries at first, the Hybrid Anders manages to take them and the Colony's Hybrids offline. As ''Galactica's'' Vipers engage incoming Raiders, her Raptors jump directly from their berth in the starboard [[flight pod]] (causing extensive damage to it) and maneuver to board the Colony.<br />
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Adama does the unbelievable: he rams ''Galactica's'' bow into the Colony, forming not only a second breech for his search teams to enter, but also forming an alternate escape route.<br />
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The rescue is successful, but ''Galactica'' is far from safe. The Raiders are still attacking the ship, destroying at least one of its remaining heavy gun batteries. The rescue teams are pursued back to ''Galactica'' by Cavil and his troops, determined to recapture Hera. Platoons of enemy Centurions swarm into the ship. Cavil personally leads an attack on CIC but is foiled.<br />
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Things appear to settle down after Cavil and Adama call a ceasefire. Cavil agrees to let ''Galactica'' leave with Hera in exchange for the information needed to bring back [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection technology]]. The Raiders return to the Colony, while the Vipers return to ''Galactica''. Unfortunately, as the Final Five begin to download their knowledge into the Colony, they are exposed to each other's secrets; Galen Tyrol learns that Tory Foster murdered his wife [[Cally Tyrol]] ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol flies into a rage and kills Foster, severing the download. Chaos ensues and the ceasefire ends. The Raiders renew their attack on the ship.<br />
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Meanwhile [[Racetrack]]'s Raptor, drifting in space after all aboard were killed, is hit by a stray asteroid, causing the Raptor to launch its nuclear missiles into the Colony. The Colony's orbit immediately decays, pulling it into the black hole--threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it. But Kara Thrace jumps the ship, using coordinates she had extrapolated from [[The Music]] at the last second.<br />
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=== Journey's End ===<br />
[[File:Battlestar Over Africa.jpg|thumb|left|200px|right|A crippled ''Galactica'' seen in orbit over the Sahara Desert.]]<br />
The jump proves to be too much for the heavily weakened battlestar. ''Galactica'' experiences a series of fatal structural failures, permanently losing her FTL ability. But fears of being stranded in space are short-lived as ''Galactica'' arrives in the vicinity of a lush, blue-green habitable world, already populated by tribes of primitive humans who naturally evolved there.<br />
[[File:The fleet's end.jpg|thumb|200px|right|''Galactica'' and her fleet heading straight into the Sun.]]<br />
The population of the Fleet, arriving later, agree to leave their technology behind and start new lives on the planet they decide to call "[[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|Earth]]". The Rebel Cylons also decide to stay on the planet. With this decision, the Rebel Baseship is left to the Centurions, who leave to seek out their own destiny. Anders, still acting as ''Galactica's'' Hybrid, brings the battlestar's adventures to a close as he pilots ''Galactica'' and the last ships in the Fleet into the Sun.<br />
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== Equipment ==<br />
Apart from any technological upgrades that may have been made to her sister ships, ''Galactica'' was built to the general technical specifications of her [[Galactica type battlestar|class]].<br />
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===Starboard Flight Pod===<br />
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The starboard landing bay is eventually restored to usable condition, evidenced when Major Lee Adama lands his Raptor in the starboard pod. However, it is possible that this is due to a previously issued quarantine order and not because the flight pod is in regular use ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). The starboard hangar deck is designated an [[Dogsville|area of refuge]] for civilians displaced from lost ships (The Woman King).<br />
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During the last mission of Galactica, this pod held a number of Raptor's ready for launch, these deployed out of the pod by FTL jump with the result that the shock waves fatally weakened the pods structure and the pod blew open to space. ([[Daybreak part 2]])<br />
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===Nuclear Warheads===<br />
[[Image:Galactica nukes.jpg|200px|thumb|''Galactica'''s nuclear arsenal.]]<br />
''Galactica'' has five nuclear warheads as of "[[Bastille Day]]". Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] uses one warhead to destroy the Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] orbiting Kobol ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), and Dr. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] cannibalizes one to use in his [[Cylon detector]]. He later gives the warhead to [[Gina Inviere]], who detonates it aboard ''[[Cloud Nine]]''. <br />
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It is unknown how many nuclear warheads ''Pegasus'' has when it encounters ''Galactica'', but the two ships pool their nuclear ordnance stockpiles after that. As of "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", ''Galactica'' possesses at least seven warheads ([[missile tube]]s 4 through 10).<br />
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:''The yield of these weapons is unknown. It is likely they are of a "dial a yield" design which is common in real-life nuclear weapons. Because the physics of nuclear weapon design is a measurable science, and based on the size of the weapons seen on screen, the yield of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> weapons may lie between 5 and 150 kilotons.''<ref>This is extrapolated from the size of the weapon, compared to a modern day ([[w:W80|W80]])-class nuclear warhead used by the United States.</ref><br />
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===Vipers===<br />
:''For information on the fighter squadrons stationed on ''Galactica'' see: [[Squadrons of Galactica]]''<br />
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[[image:1104Tube Mini.JPG|right|thumb|200px|A [[Viper Mark II]] in a launch tube.]]<br />
[[image:Kg zoic-studio screen-caps-065.jpg|left|thumb|200px|A [[Viper Mark VII]] in the port [[Flight pod]].]]<br />
Prior to the arrival of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' carries a maximum thirty-four Vipers, of which at least six are Mark VIIs. Following the advent of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' receives supplies that aid in the repair and refurbishment of her initial fighter complement ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). Some time later, new Mark VII Vipers are constructed at ''Pegasus''s' Viper construction facilities utilizing the raw ore mined in an asteroid belt ([[Scar]]), and several of those are assigned to ''Galactica''. <br />
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With ''Pegasus'' destroyed at the [[Battle of New Caprica]], ''Galactica'' absorbs the former's fighter squadrons and personnel, and her Viper complement now counts approximately 80 planes. <ref>Dialogue from "[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]" and "[[Sine Qua Non]]" establishes that 40 Vipers have been transferred to a Cylon basestar, which comprises half the ship's air wing.</ref><br />
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===Raptors===<br />
[[image:Raptor port.jpg|right|thumb|200px|A [[Raptor]].]]<br />
The number of [[Raptor|Raptors]] available to ''Galactica'' is portrayed inconsistently. The assumption prior to joining up with ''Pegasus'' is that the battlestar has at least five Raptors, having left [[Ragnar Anchorage]] with at least eight. After the Battle of New Caprica, ''Galactica'' takes on ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Raptors. The subsequent number of available craft is unknown, but is at least 20, considering how many Raptors are deployed to rescue to the resistance fighters on Caprica ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
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===Other Craft===<br />
[[image:Blackbird FotP.JPG|right|thumb|200px|The [[Blackbird]], a special stealth ship, was construted on ''Galactica''.]]<br />
[[image:AtmoShutt.jpg|right|thumb|200px|One of ''Galactica'''s [[Atmospheric shuttle| shuttle]] craft.]]<br />
*''Galactica'' currently possesses two [[Heavy Raider]]s. One is hit by ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s defensive fire and crashes into the starboard flight pod with unknown, but probably extensive, damage ([[Scattered]]). The other returns in operational status from [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Home, Part I]]). One of these Heavy Raiders is relieved of its FTL navigation system for use on the rescue mission to Caprica ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).<br />
* A Raider from the first Cylon War may be on board ''Galactica'' after one follows Starbuck into one of ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> landing bays and is shot down ([[Razor]]). A Cylon War era Raider, or at least a replica of one, was present in the [[Galactica Museum]], but has not been mentioned since.<br />
*A second [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] comes into ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> possession after [[Daniel Novacek]]'s "escape" from a basestar, replacing the one retrieved by [[Kara Thrace]] and lost during the quest for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] ([[Hero]]).<br />
*An experimental stealth fighter, the [[Blackbird]], is constructed using spare parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]) and used in a critically successful reconnaissance mission to explore the nature of what comes to be known as the [[Resurrection Ship]]. The Blackbird is destroyed after completing its [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|first combat mission]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br />
*''Galactica'' possesses [[fuel tanker]]s used to supply fuel to Vipers and Raptors in flight without the need to dock with the ship. These may be dedicated craft or specially fitted shuttles or Raptors ([[Occupation]]).<br />
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== Crew ==<br />
:''For information on Senior Staff, see : [[Senior Staff of Galactica]]'' <br />
:''For a list of pilots, see: [[List of Pilots]]'' <br />
:''For a list of deckhands, see: [[List of deckhands]]'' <br />
:''For a list of marines, see: [[Colonial Marine Corps]]'' <br />
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Before the attack, ''Galactica'' has approximately 2,900 crewmen. By the time of the arrival of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', attrition has reduced this number to about 2,660. (c.f. [[Crew tally]]) <br />
It is unknown whether the Colonial Marines account for members or not.<br />
*Between "[[Act of Contrition]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> offensive capability is also greatly hampered by the number of [[List of Pilots|qualified pilots]] available, and their lack of flight simulators with which to train more. Since ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> reunion with ''Pegasus'', this has ceased to be an issue ([[Scar]]).<br />
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Image:Galactica Ortho copy.jpg|''Galactica'' - [[Zoic]] rendering &nbsp; &nbsp;<br />
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Image:Kg cg ns galactica-049.jpg|''Galactica'''s front - Zoic<br />
Image:Battlestar stern.jpg|''Galactica'''s stern.<br />
Image:Cylon War-era Galactica, "Razor" Flashback 1.jpg|''Galactica'' in the [[Razor]] Flashbacks.<br />
Image:Bsg damaged.jpg|''Galactica'' with battle damage.<br />
Image:Galactica - flight pods retracted.jpg|''Galactica'' with flight pods retracted.<br />
Image:BSG landing alcove.jpg|''Galactica'' landing alcove.<br />
Image:Battered Battlestar.jpg|Bow view of ''Galactica''.<br />
Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense batteries in action &nbsp; &nbsp;<br />
Image:Galactica fights off missile salvos.jpg|''Galactica'' establishes a defense perimeter.<br />
Image:Raptor scramble.jpg|''Galactica'' scrambles [[Viper]]s and [[Raptor]]s.<br />
Image:Colony Breech.jpg|''Galactica'' rams herself into [[The Colony]].<br />
Image:Img0059.jpg|''Galactica'''s main batteries.<br />
Image:Galactia's end.jpg|''Galactica'' and the Fleet depart for the sun, with the African continent in the background.<br />
Image:CIC Overview 1.jpg|''Galactica'''s CIC.<br />
Image:Cicweaponscontrol1.jpg|Weapon's control.<br />
Image:Cictacticalstation1.jpg|Tactical station.<br />
Image:Cic commstation.jpg|Communications.<br />
Image:The Mess.jpg|The Officers' mess hall.<br />
Image:Porthangardeck.jpg|A typical hangar bay on ''Galactica''.<br />
Image:DutyLocker.jpg|Crew quarters.<br />
Image:GalacticaInterior Sickbay1.jpg|Sickbay<br />
Image:Galactica Museum, "Daybreak, Part II".jpg| The ''Galactica'' museum in the starboard flight pod.<br />
Image:Galactica corridor.jpg|The "A-shaped" corridors.<br />
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[[zh:卡拉狄加 (RDM)]]</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Daybreak,_Part_II/Notes&diff=177711Daybreak, Part II/Notes2009-03-28T22:37:38Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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===The fate of the Colonials and Rebel Cylons===<br />
*This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Laura Roslin]]. and all the Cylons at the Colony. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and is taken to a place unknown. In detail:<br />
**Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory. Also she was a security threat and there was no way to take her along and watch her effectively. Despite her redeeming act of giving back Hera, she couldn't be trusted.<br />
**Cavil takes his own life in Galactica's CIC when the resurrection designs are irrevocably lost with the death of Tory Foster.<br />
***It is unknown what happens to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted, but any other Number Ones would face eventual extinction like all other humanoid Cylons. <br />
****This particular Cavil is most likely is the same John Cavil that has been carrying on an affair with Boomer for months. Boomer would most likely be in an affair with only one particular Cavil. The same one who spoke with [[Ellen Tigh]] in [[No Exit]]; was killed by [[D'Anna Biers]] in the [[Resurrection Hub]] (and was one of the last Cylons to resurrect before it was destroyed) during the Civil War; before that was killed by [[Natalie]] in a Baseship at the start of the Civil War; and before that was shot by Baltar in the Temple of Five on the Algae planet (from his recollection to Ellen). He is also the same one who had sexual relations with his own "mother" Ellen Tigh before she regained her memories, and tortured and maimed her husband during the occupation of New Caprica. These are not certainties but for dramatic purposes it fits to follow one particular Cavil rather than a variety of Number Ones. It would deminish the emotional investment in the character to do otherwise. <br />
**Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor is struck by an asteroid fragment, puncturing their canopy and killing them on impact (as well as at least three marines on board). When another asteroid hits the Raptor, Racetrack's limp hand hits the launch button that fires the nuclear missiles.<br />
**Tory is killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] upon his learning Tory murdered his wife Cally during the [[Final Five]]'s mutual and involuntary sharing memories while downloading the Resurrection designs to the Colony.<br />
***This is ironic considering that in their previous lives on the original Earth the pair were madly in love and planned on marriage.<br />
**Anders pilots ''Galactica'' and guided the Fleet into the Sun.<br />
**Roslin dies peacefully as Adama gives her a bird's eye view of their new home in a Raptor. She is the first Colonial human to die on Earth. During the Raptor flight she passd away exactly one minute and thirty seconds from being shown the spot Bill Adama wanted to build his-their-cabin. <br />
**Since they have neither female Cylons nor Resurrection technology, the Cavils, Simons and Dorals on the various Cylon baseships will presumably die out. <br />
**Kara is presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her.<br />
*The fates of numerous supporting characters are not shown.<br />
**[[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] is last seen flying his Viper back to ''Galactica'' after the initial cease fire. He likely survives since there is no mention of him being killed, and he is alive when the truce is called and the remaining Vipers and Raptors safely land on ''Galactica''.<br />
**Since she isn't seen volunteering in the hanger deck or depicted in the attack, it is very likely that [[Diana Seelix]] didn't volunteer.<br />
**Ishay is not seen after Roslin leaves sickbay. <br />
**The episode also never touches on what becomes of [[Cult of Baltar|Baltar's cult]], including [[Jeanne]], [[Paulla]] and [[Tracy Anne]]. Founding member Jeanne who is absent from the finale but it is perfectly safe to assume that she and her fellow Cultist are with the people on the planet. Paulla and Tracy Anne were last scene on the last Raptor trying to get Baltar to come with them to the Baseship where many of the civilians including Baltar's flock were taken. They were unsuccessful and Paulla and Tracy-Anne went to the baseship without incident. Jeanne was almost certainly there and with the settlement on Earth. <br />
*The recurring subplot about the [[Sons of Ares]] and its growing conflict with the [[Cult of Baltar]] is unresolved.<br />
*The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.<br />
*Racetrack's Raptor, and possibly the other ones in its flight group destroyed in the assault on the Colony, was carrying the last nukes from ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', marking the end of humanity's use of these weapons (which were used to destroy the Twelve Colonies at the start of the series) for another 150,000 years. Presumably the baseship's store of nukes remains intact and some weren't "barrowed" by the humans for the attack.<br />
*It is very likely that Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol and definitely Tory Foster never recovered their first hand memories of life before and after Old Earth and before Cavil killed them and blocked their true memories when they resurrected. Tory Foster will certainly never have that chance since she was killed by Tyrol in a fit of rage over Tory's murder of Cally.<br />
*The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to the furthest maternal common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that '''all''' of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely maternal one). This also means that we as a species are related to Athena Hera's mother.<br />
** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br />
** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have had daughters to pass on her mitochondrial DNA.<br />
** Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother only, and Hera has a Cylon mother, her mitochondrial DNA and that of all her descendants is pure Cylon making us all direct decendents of Athena. <br />
*Also in the podcast, RDM is happy to confirm that Tyrol did find some natives in Scotland and ended up being the 'King of the Scots', apparently since Aaron Douglas loved the idea of Scottish civilization (with its tradition of great engineers) being descended from Tyrol. This may suggest that Galen Tyrol, a male Cylon, had successfully mated and produced children with a New Earth native human female to produce at least one other hybrid.<br />
*Gaius Baltar, with deliberate forethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied - or at least inferred - to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. The Colonists still don't know this. <br />
*The Colonials never did find out that Gaius Baltar gave [[Gina Inviere]] a nuclear device on the space liner ''[[Cloud 9]]'' destroying that liner and all on board near what would be called [[New Caprica]]. That same explosion would bring the Cylons to New Caprica a year later due to them being a light year away at the time they saw it, making him responsible for the occupation. <br />
*Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distant descendants of Hera.<br />
*Before deciding that ''Galactica'' should reach Earth in prehistoric times, Moore toyed with the idea of having the Fleet arrive during the Hellenistic period and formed the basis of the ancient Greek religion and society. However, this idea was rejected as it suggested that the Colonials blessed only Western civilization with their knowledge rather than all of humanity, and it did not acknowledge Hera's importance. Moore read an article on the idea of a common human ancestor which he decided should be Hera. This also explains why the Fleet personnel landed in Africa (the network had been suggesting it should be North America, presumably to match the final shot of Season 3).<br />
**According to the podcast for the episode, the destruction of the Fleet and the spreading out of the surviving Colonials over the planet's surface was supposed to be a sign of humanity's committal to their new world, not necessarily promoting a Luddite agenda. The comparison that is drawn is Cortes burning his ships on the shores of central America so his men would not have a way of retreating if things got difficult. However, RDM later mentions that one of the last shots was to have been of the Colonials destroying their last Raptors, which suggests that the Luddite approach was more what they were aimng for.<br />
*There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in "[[Daybreak, Part I]]" before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br />
**A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arrival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies, and Kara Thrace vanishes without a trace. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,404. This does not include the unknown number of humanoid Cylons from the baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br />
*The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br />
*When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br />
===Aftermath of the War===<br />
*There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br />
** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br />
**Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br />
**Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br />
**The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br />
**Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br />
**The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br />
**The series starts and finishes with two "endings" for ''Galactica'': its scheduled decommissioning in the mini-series, and its destruction by setting course into the sun in the finale.<br />
**The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br />
** At the beginning of the series, William Adama divorces his wife soon after returning to Colonial military service. At the end of the series, Adama abandons all trappings of the military to be with his unofficial wife Laura Roslin, upon whose finger he puts his wedding ring just after she dies.<br />
**This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being "Poetic justice" and Lee Adama's "What goes around, comes around" since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician.<br />
**The Cylons started the war with the attack on the 12 Colonies by being able to use a backdoor program to shutdown the Colonial defenses including those of the more advanced Vipers and Battlestars. They were able to only use the less advance Mark IV Vipers and Battlestar Galactica. At the end of the war the Colonials at the Battle of the Colony was able to shutdown the Colony's defenses by using Sam Anders as a hybrid to talk remotely to the Colony's Hybrids who recognized him and stop firing. The Cavil Faction Cylons could only use lobotomized Raiders to attack the Galactica. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies using nuclear weapons by the Colonials using nuclear weapons to send the Colony into the singularity.<br />
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===Miscellaneous===<br />
*The title of the episode is a reference to the German philosopher [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche Friedrich Nietzsche’s] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dawn_(book) book] of the same title. This is appropriate since there are numerous references to Nietzsche’s philosophy throughout the episode. Most obviously, Baltar, in his speech to Cavil in the CIC, states that "God is a force of nature … [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Good_and_Evil_(book) beyond good and evil]." ''Beyond Good and Evil'' is another of Nietzsche’s works. Baltar goes on to say "Good and evil—we created those," echoing Nietzsche’s claim in the First Treatise of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Genealogy_of_Morality ''On the Genealogy of Morality''] that morality, including the concepts of "good" and "evil," are human constructs whose utility must be examined. Baltar also asks Cavil if he wants to "break the cycle of birth, death, rebirth…" which recalls the [[Pythia|Pythian prophecy]] that "All this has happened before. All this will happen again." This is also a reference to Nietzsche's concept of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_return#Friedrich_Nietzsche ''eternal recurrence''], that living one's life exactly the same, over and over for eternity, can be the worst of punishments (for those who live trivial lives) but also the greatest of gifts (for those who live great lives).<br />
*With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br />
*Shortly after recovering from Boomer shooting him, in [[The Farm]] he went to her corps in ''Galactica's'' morgue and asked "Why?" There is no indication that during the weeks that Boomer was held on ''Galactica'', during and between the events of [[Deadlock]] and [[Someone to Watch Over Me]] that Admiral Adama ever visited her to find out why she shot him but was clearly still understandably bitter about it in "Someone to Watch Over Me" Intellectually he knows she was programmed, but he never went to resolve the emotional aspect of it. Now with her death Adama will never know the answer to that question, assuming he still wanted to know which if he didn't visit her indicates he didn't care any longer. For her part, no indication is given that Boomer asked to see him. <br />
*Saul Tigh in order to bring peace between Mankind and the Cylons he offered almost the same exact deal that the Final Five offered to the Centurions over 40 years before during the [[First Cylon War]]: If they halt the attacks on humanity "now and forever" they will give them resurrection. Durig the first war it was resurrection '''and''' helping them create biolgical humaniod Cylons.<br />
*During Adama's polygraph examination for his high paying civilian job post retirement from the service he was asked Are you a Cylon? by the examiner. This is one more indication that it possibly known to some in power that the Cylons were working on humanoid looking versions of themselves although it was not widely known publicly.<br />
**It is clear from dialog in the episode that the question was meant as a control to get a baseline reading. Polygraph interviewers begin with a series of questions that they already know are true or false; like the subject's name, date of birth, etc. Asking Adama if he's a Cylon was simply an absurd question, the answer to which would obviously be "no," for later comparison when the real questioning began.<br />
***True, but remember what young Lt. William "Husker" Adama saw in that facility he crash landed in just minutes before the end of the [[First Cylon War]] in [[Razor]]. People being experimented on and a vat. I would think he reported what he saw to his superiors. And of course there could be the revelations of the up coming "Caprica" and some knowing the research Graystone was working on which his own father was privy to. The Examiner may believe his question was absurd but it could be the reason Adama hesitated and was offended and not laugh it off as the absurd question.<br />
****Dialogue ''explicitly'' establishes that the question was simply a control for the polygraph. Adama's offense is clearly based on the questioning of his word, as established, again expressly, with his response and implicitly in context throughout the episode and the series. The question has '''absolutely nothing''' to do with a substantive inquiry about whether Adama is a Cylon.<br />
*According to the podcast, the ''Galactica'' was originally going to jump right inside the Colony for the attack, but RDM changed it because he wanted the ship to have open space around it for the final Viper/Raider dogfight.<br />
*''Galactica'' is shown executing a jump without retracting her flight pods, which was earlier said to be required<ref>Special effects continuity errors have sometimes shown ''Galactica'' jumping with pods extended and emerging with them retracted.</ref> ([[Miniseries, Night 2]]). However, it is possible that the resulting stresses from jumping with the pods extended contribute to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br />
**There may be a clue in the nature of the damage incurred following the jump. A wave-like motion appears to run the length of the ship; perhaps FTL jumps always inflict similar stresses, but under normal conditions the nesting of the flight pods into their recessed 'valleys' (and their support arms into the presumably void spaces between them) lends structural reinforcement to counter said forces.<br />
*According to the podcast, when Laura asks "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Starbuck was supposed to reply, "Somewhere along the watchtower." Director Michael Rhymer did not like this idea and simply didn't shoot the line. Moore later agreed that it was better not to have Kara speak.<br />
*The shot of ''Galactica'' flying over the Moon and reaching Earth was inspired by real-life shots from the Apollo space program, specifically Apollo 8's shot of coming around the dark side of the Moon and the Apollo 17 shot of the Earth itself.<br />
*A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th <ref>http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html</ref>. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" and "[[Rapture]]".<br />
**According to the episode podcast, the sequences on Earth at the end were the ones filmed at Kamloops. Some CGI was used to remove distinctive Canadian evergreen trees from the background and replace them with more Africa-looking foilage, but otherwise the landscape was actually a decent match for Africa.<br />
*Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. <ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}</ref><br />
*The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defense Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br />
*The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, "Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe", W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br />
**According to the podcast, Ronald D. Moore was wearing a Jimi Hendrix T-shirt in the final shot, but they chose not to show this. The shot of the realistic Japanese female robot was found by Terry Moore online and was referred to as the 'next' Number Six by RDM.<br />
**Also according to the podcast, Baltar saying "It doesn't like that name," is significant, and is indeed meant to confirm that whatever 'God' is in the series, it isn't necessarily what the name implies.<br />
*The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br />
**It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br />
*Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingos flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice, the TV series in which Edward James Olmos co-starred.<br />
*The news network covering the story "Advances in Robotics" as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br />
**The last advance in robotics shown was a humanoid "cybernetic robot" named "ACTROID", a Japanese design that was unveiled in 2005.[http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-10744-Robot+or+Human%3F+Here%27s+ACTROID.html].<br />
**The ACTROID's appearance in the final scene bookends the first scene of the mini-series in which several "traditional" robotic Cylons appear, following by the first appearance of the attractive humanoid Cylon, Number Six.<br />
*Although many of the magazines on the newsstand appear familiar, close examination reveals that at least some have made-up names. A magazine that appears at first glance to be ''Sports Illustrated'' is actually ''Sports Limited''. Also, although the magazine read by Angel Six and Baltar (and Ronald Moore) closely resembles ''National Geographic'', at no time is the complete title of the magazine or its full logo actually shown on screen; furthermore, the back cover of the magazine is solid yellow whereas actual issues of National Geographic always have advertising on the back cover.<br />
*Initially, Helo and Athena were supposed to die and Hera would be raised by Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six. This would make sense as in the [[Opera House]] vision Baltar and Caprica-Six take Hera into the Opera House and Athena and Roslin don't make it inside. It also lends well for a symbolical structure of the series: Caprica-Six kills a child at the beginning and raises one at the end, they destroyed one civilisation and then at the end they nurture the foundation of another one.<br />
*Angel Six makes a reference to the Law of Averages: "Let a complex system repeat itself long enough; eventually something surprising might occur." She is actually referring to the Law of Large Numbers. The Law of Averages is a mistaken belief that the outcome of an event is affected by the outcome of previous iterations of the same event.<br />
*Dialogue was cut from the final scene between Angel Six and Angel Baltar, but can be heard on the cast read-through podcast. The full dialogue of the scene is the same up until Baltar states that "It (God) doesn't like to be called that," but then changes with Baltar discussing having a wager on the matter (humanity's survival this time around) with Six, who looks disgusted at the notion. Baltar then smiles and says "Silly, silly me," and they walk off as in the broadcast version.<br />
*As with Part I, the episode does not include the regular opening credits and theme. It does begin with the standard "Previously on Battlestar Galactica" sequence, and the honor of speaking these words in the final episode is given to Edward James Olmos.</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Propulsion_in_the_Re-imagined_Series&diff=177709Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series2009-03-28T21:59:49Z<p>Werthead: /* FTL jump ranges */</p>
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In the [[Re-imagined Series]], propulsion systems are powered by fuel refined from [[tylium|tylium ore]]. A ship's primary propulsion systems, referred to as "sublight engines", allow it to travel at a slight fraction of the speed of light, which is sufficient to traverse the distances between planets in a solar system in relatively short timeframes. Most ships in the series also have a secondary system, called a [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series#Faster-Than-Light travel|'''faster-than-light drive''']] (or '''"FTL"'''), that enables a ship to travel interstellar distances almost instantaneously, by "folding up space" in between the ship and its destination. Since, under normal circumstances, a ship that has used its FTL drive cannot be followed without explicit information about its destination, this technology is used extensively in strategic and tactical manuevers. <br />
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==Sublight propulsion==<br />
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In the Re-imagined Series, all ships have some manner of sublight flight ability. Sublight propulsion is convenient for intra-solar system travel (such as to or from the planets that comprise the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]), but cannot be used for travel outside of a solar system as the time to arrive at a destination may exceed the fuel supply of the ship or the lifetime of the crew that fly the ship.<br />
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As many of the ships of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] are capable of landing on and taking off from planets, (such as [[New Caprica]]) it is clear that sublight engines work in an atmosphere as well as in space. ''Galactica'' is never seen doing this, and its large mass might prohibit planetary landings altogether, but it employs sublight engines for normal spaceflight. Few of the ships appear to have extremely large propellant tanks as would be required for rocketry as it is presently understood, in spite of having aft-mounted thrusters. This may be explained by the very high energy density of [[tylium]] fuel. Smaller vessels are known to employ rocketry-based [[Navigation in the Re-imagined Series|RCS thrusters]] for maneuvering and small course adjustments.<br />
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Vipers are equipped with a thrust reversal system to counteract or arrest their forward momentum ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). No such mechanism exists on capital ships, but such vessels might turn by 180° to decelerate.<br />
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Cylons [[Basestar (RDM)|baseships]] do not have any visible exhaust nozzles or other external structural mechanisms that suggest propulsion ability. It is possible that force fields of the [[Gravity in the Re-imagined Series|artificial gravity]] generators are the source of the sublight propulsion. <br />
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Both Colonial ([[Hero]]) and Cylon missiles used in combat appear to be rockets, leaving a trail of gas behind them.<br />
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The law of conservation of momentum requires that any propulsion system which adds momentum to a spacecraft or missile in one direction must equal the amount of momentum that is imparted in the opposite direction to something else, as in the example of the controlled combustion of rocket fuel creating thrust in the opposite direction of a ship's or missile's movement. ''[[Pegasus]]'', for example, possesses two very large thrusters on the bow of the ship to counteract the force of the main engines ([[Razor]]). However, many other vessels don't appear to have such thrusters.<br />
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===Relativistic Sublight travel ===<br />
The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] did not have jump drive technology, so FTL travel was unavailable to the [[Final Five]] on their voyage from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. They instead used a sublight drive able to reach relativistic speeds (a substantial fraction of the speed of light.) The journey took about 2,000 years according to a planetary reference frame, but a more modest (unspecified) number of years in their ship's reference frame.<br />
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==Faster-Than-Light travel==<br />
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''FTL'' is a acronym for '''F'''aster-'''T'''han-'''L'''ight. The term refers to a means of interstellar propulsion utilized by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonials]]. A common shorthand term for FTL travel is '''"jumping"''', as this space-folding drive involves making instantaneous "jumps" across vast distances in space.<ref>http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/about/glossary/</ref><br />
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[[Image:FTL1.jpg|thumb|250px|right|FTL jump]]<br />
[[Image:Ftl_display.jpg|thumb|250px|right|FTL drive display]]<br />
[[Image:Ftl3.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Galactica's FTL drive]]<br />
[[Image:Ftl2.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Galactica's FTL drive]]<br />
The FTL drive makes interstellar travel possible for both the Colonials and Cylons. No longer confined to their own home solar system, the Cylons managed to avoid Colonial interference for 40 years after the [[Cylon War]] and establish their own [[Cylon homeworld|home-world]]. However, not all ships &mdash; from small to large &mdash; are outfitted with these drives ([[Miniseries]]). <br />
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It is likely that FTL drives are not commonplace on many civilian ships because of the costs involved in using and maintaining the drive and the amount of [[tylium|fuel]] available. For some civilian ships that travel comparatively short distances between some destinations, such as the ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]], FTL may simply be impractical or unnecessary.<br />
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The technology behind FTL systems is such that, providing the relevant data is known, ships can jump with a high degree of accuracy, allowing ships to rendezvous in space and even "park" in a synchronous orbit directly above a given point on a planet's surface ([[Miniseries]]). Proper FTL use even enables vessels to arrive in crowded areas, such as the middle of an asteroid field or other ships, without the risk of collision and damage ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).<br />
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Little specific information on the technology of an FTL drive has been given in the Miniseries or regular series. We know only that ''Galactica'' has two FTL drives<ref>Dialogue from Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] instructs the tactical officer to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2" in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>, and that other smaller or civilian ships have a single drive.<br />
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FTL drives on ''Galactica'' are said to be "spun up" in preparation for a jump, contain components such as the "spinner" ("[[The Captain's Hand]]") and "spin-sync generator" ("[[Faith]]") and display a rotational and possibly electromagnetic operation. Until the final-season episode, "[[Blood on the Scales]]", the expression was theorised by many fans to be either a turn of phrase, or an anachronism dating back to another form of propulsion, much like the use of the term "air" in reference to fighter operations in the vacuum of space ("[[Commander Air Group]]", "[[Combat Air Patrol]]", ''inter alia'') and the real-world use of "sail" and "set sail" in reference to self-propelled vessels.<br />
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An operational FTL drive was first seen in "Blood on the Scales", specifically one of ''Galactica's'' two. Indeed, an assortment of long, thick shafts spin as part of the FTL drive mechanism. The FTL engine room includes a control terminal for diagnostic and auxilliary control. In order to prevent Felix Gaeta and his mutineers from jumping ''Galactica'' to an unknown location, former Senior Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]] attempted to log into the engine room terminal which refused him access, recognising his duty status as "inactive". He was nevertheless able to manually disable the drive by removing a the synchronisation coil.<ref>Part identified in dialogue in "No Exit".</ref> Gaeta made no attempt to use the other FTL drive, indicating either that the other drive was inoperative, the two drives are not entirely independent, or that Gaeta simply decided that the mutiny and Coup d'état were doomed and futher attempts were pointless.<br />
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FTL jump drives can be used ''within'' an atmosphere. This Colonial tactic is used often to evade Cylon detection. While [[Raptor]]s primarily perform these kind of jumps, Admiral [[William Adama]] performs a daring intra-atmosphere jump at approximately 100,000 feet altitude with ''[[Galactica]]'' during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] to evade immediate Cylon detection. The battlestar jumps back to space a few hundred feet above the planet's surface after its Viper deployment. When ''Galactica'' jumps, the clouds surrounding it and the re-entry fires consuming its hull are "sucked" into the vacuum created by the sudden loss of volume. A clap of thunder is heard afterward, likely caused by air rushing into the aforementioned vacuum ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A similar phenomenon occurs when ''Pegasus'' jumps from the attack on the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]]; the resulting displacement not only draws in the burning gases from the nearby berthing superstructure, but also defuses two nuclear warheads bound for ''Pegasus'' itself ([[Razor]]).<br />
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An area of spatial distortion of some sort is also produced when a ship jumps. This effect has been observed twice thus far. Once, when the tylium refinery ship ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' is approached by a pair of Vipers and a Raptor in an effort to quell a mutiny aboard the ship. The ''Hitei Kan'' unexpectedly jumps and the Vipers and Raptor are repelled away by some force as soon as the ship dematerializes ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). The second time this is seen is when a Raptor stolen by [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] executes a jump mere meters away from ''Galactica’s'' hull. When the Raptor disappears into the jump the section of the hull it was adjacent to is instantaneously indented. Just prior to that, Col. [[Saul Tigh]] expresses his fears of even greater damage should Valerii jump the Raptor while inside ''Galactica’s'' flight pod ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). It is not clear how this distortion field, which seems to produce effects like a shock wave, also coincides with the known effect of a jump acting as a sort of vacuum, which instead of producing an outwards wave should pull the surrounding space into it. The two effects might occur consecutively, the vacuum effect left in the ship's wake, then the expelled shock wave.<br />
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Later, the Fleet's FTL drives are upgraded by the Rebel Cylons so they can now travel as far and as fast as a Cylon ship. Not all ships are apparently upgraded as for some reason, the Raptor Boomer steals lacks the upgraded drive.<br />
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=== Limitations of Colonial FTL ===<br />
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* The effectiveness of a [[Raptor]]'s FTL is limited to brief, short-distance jumps. Raptors require a sequence of short consecutive FTL "hops" to reach the same destination as a Colonial capital ship with a full-sized FTL drive ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
* Colonial FTL systems are prone to breakdown after repetitive use over an extended period of time ([[33]]).<br />
* Colonial FTL systems appear to be a holdover from the [[History of the Twelve Colonies#Exodus|Exodus]] from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], and their current designs have been developed to meet the needs of jumping between the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], and their outposts in other star systems. Colonial FTL capabilities are generally limited in effective range compared to Cylon FTL.<br />
* Navigators must be careful to plan FTL jump paths in order to keep a safe distance from planets or other large objects ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).<br />
* "Spooling up" a Colonial FTL drive takes at least 20 minutes when the drive has been offline ([[Crossroads Part II]]). Because of this, when ships enter dangerous situations, they keep their FTL drives "spun up".<br />
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Colonial FTL performance can be improved, demonstrated when a [[Raptor]] is successfully refitted by a team apparently led by Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] with the navigational computer from a captured [[Heavy Raider]] (presumably the one used by [[Kara Thrace]] to return from Caprica in "[[Home, Part I]]") and, with the cooperation of a [[Sharon Agathon|Number Eight]], is used to navigate a squadron of Raptors back to Caprica on a rescue mission to retrieve a [[Caprica Resistance|group of resistance fighters]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).<br />
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Colonial FTL computers can be affected by highly-charged sub-atomic particles, corrupting their calculations and possibly causing a jump beyond the [[Red Line]], as in the case of [[Raptor 718]] ([[The Face of the Enemy]], Episode 2).<br />
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The FTL drive apparently puts significant strain on a ship's structure. ''Galactica'' has substancial cracks in her hull adjacent to the FTL drive which Tyrol disabled. ([[Blood on the Scales]]) While discussing structural repairs with Adm. Adama, Tyrol asks him not to jump the ship for a while, whilst his crews upgrade the structure. ([[No Exit]])<br />
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FTL jumps can apparently induce nausea or discomfort in some people, such as [[Cally Henderson]] ([[Miniseries, Night 2]], "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]").<br />
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=== Cylon Advantages in FTL ===<br />
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* Cylon FTL systems can be manufactured on a smaller scale to their Colonial equivalent, thus allowing the [[Cylon Raider]] to be outfitted with an FTL drive. ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
* Cylon FTL drive systems are far more efficient than their Colonial equivalent. Tests with the Raider captured by the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]) demonstrated that the drive could enable the Raider to jump directly from the vicinity of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] back to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]) - a jump completed by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] during her search for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). This superiority is not from FTL drives themselves, but from the superior Cylon navigation system, resulting in more accurate jump calculations.<br />
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Cylon FTL drives are three times more effiicent than their Colonial counterparts ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). Despite being well-versed in maintaining ''Galactica'''s two FTL drives and being a [[Final Five]] [[Cylon]], former [[wikipedia:Senior Chief Petty Officer|Senior Chief Petty Officer]] [[Galen Tyrol]] is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "[[Number Six|Sixes]], [[Number Eight|Sharons]] and maybe even some [[Number Two|Leobens]]" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. He also said that the the upgraded drives would increase their jump distance by at least three times. ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]) The Fleet later gets the upgrade and the difference can be clearly seen in the jump capabilities: a Raptor stolen by Boomer which for an unknown reason doesn't have the upgraded drive, takes over a dozen jumps to reach The Colony, but ''Galactica'' and even an upgraded Raptor are able to make the distance that took that Raptor over a dozen jumps, they make in ''one''.<br />
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The Cylons may also be capable of [[faster-than-light communication]].<br />
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==FTL jump ranges==<br />
The range that ''Galactica'' can jump at has never been specified on-screen. However, in a deleted line from the mini-series the jump from Ragnar to the [[Prolmar Sector]] is said to be "30 light-years"<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20060517022749/http://www.curemode.com/battlestar/bgarticle26.htm An early draft of the mini-series script]</ref>, which is way beyond the [[red line]] (maximum safely calculable jump range). This is consistent with Colonel Tigh saying that ''Galactica'' could search every planet within 12 light-years for water before having to jump to another sector altogether ([[Water]]). On this Wiki, producer Bradley Thompson suggested that internally, the writers had been working on the idea the Fleet had been jumping about 5 light-years at a time, although that does not have to have been its maximum range. Finally, on composer Bear McCreary's blog<ref>[http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1760 Bear McCreary's blog]</ref>, science advisor Kevin Grazier and producer Bradley Thompson suggested that the final six digits for the jump coordinates Kara interprets from [[the Music]] represent distance in [[SU]]s. 999,999 SUs - the maximum possible distance that can be inputted - would relate to 15.812 Colonial light-years. The distance inputted during the Battle of the Colony is 365,321 SU or 5.77 Colonial light-years, which is presumably the distance from the Colony to Earth ([[Daybreak, Part 3]]). There may also be a factoring scale at work, and at close ranges ''Galactica'' appears to be able to jump much more accurately, as demonstrated by its jump from several million kilometers directly into New Caprica's atmosphere 100,000 feet above the surface ([[Exodus, Part 2]]), or a jump of unknown range to within one kilometre of the Colony's surface ([[Daybreak, Part 2]]).<br />
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Cylon FTL ranges are considerably larger. At the end of the series, the Fleet's larger ships have their jump ranges tripled by the installation of Cylon technology ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). However, during the rescue of Colonial resistance forces from Caprica three years earlier, a Raptor squadron outfitted with a Cylon FTL navigation computer traversed in 10 jumps ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1]]) a distance that ''Galactica'' would have required a minimum of 230 jumps (conservatively) to cross ([[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]), an improvement by a factor of 23.<br />
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==Background to FTL in the Re-imagined Series==<br />
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{{Plausible speculation}}<br />
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In establishing the series the creators of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] determined to keep everything within the show very "[[Naturalistic science fiction|natural]]". This means steering away from the standard clichés of television science-fiction: no bumpy-head aliens, no remarkable technology such as matter/anti-matter conversion, etc. So how is the concept of faster-than-light travel possible within this precept?<br />
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===Underpinning Theories===<br />
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[[Image:Wormhole-demo.png|thumb|FTL: "Folding Space"]]<br />
The FTL drive technology used within the Re-imagined Series might be based on the use of [[Wikipedia:Superstring Theory|Superstring Theory]] and [[Wikipedia:M-Theory|M-Theory]] that essentially enable the "jump drive" systems to "fold" space, reducing the distance between any two points by creating a "corridor" through space that links them together (essentially forming a wormhole, or Einstein-Rosen Bridge). Such "corridors" are allowed by the general theory of relativity; what [[Wikipedia:M-Theory|M-Theory]] does is provide a way to change the topology of space-time dynamically.<br />
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The use of such wormholes is based on the tenet that space is curved. Hence the term "[[Wikipedia:Wormhole|wormhole]]", which arises from the analogy that space can be seen as an apple. A worm can travel from one side of the apple to the other in two ways:<br />
* By crawling over the surface, or<br />
* By burrowing through the apple (creating a "wormhole").<br />
Obviously, the second option is considerably shorter than the first.<br />
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===Relativistic Acceleration===<br />
A key point concerning the use of wormholes within the new ''Battlestar Galactica'' is that they do not break the fundamental limiting factor of our universe: the speed of light. Vessels in ''Battlestar Galactica'' do not accelerate to faster-than-light velocities. Rather, they use the wormhole to reduce the distance to their destination, thus giving the ''impression'' of faster-than-light travel. <br />
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However, the FTL jumps in the series do allow information to be sent faster than light can send it, which results in a violation of causality within the special theory of relativity. (ie. If event A comes before B from one viewpoint, there will be other equally valid viewpoints where event B takes place before A.) Causality is not violated by FTL in a universe that has a special fixed reference frame, however this contradicts current understanding.<br />
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This is the reason why FTL jumps are virtually instantaneous within episodes. It also means that the only ''direct'' form of propulsion available for vessels is generated by their [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight drive systems]]<ref>In turn, this is why vessels exiting from a jump are traveling at the same velocity as when they committed to the jump ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]", "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]" and other episodes).</ref>.<br />
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===Feasibility===<br />
While the use of wormholes in this manner is not currently possible, work is progressing on superstring and M-Theory which may make the creation of wormholes possible in the future. The limiting factor is the ability to generate negative energy densities, which are allowed (though severely restricted) by quantum mechanics. As such, the use of such systems again meets one of the stated desires of the the producers of ''Battlestar Galactica'': not to rely on the "traditional" trappings of science-fiction that require exotic science and technology. Theoretical physicist [[Wikipedia:Kip Thorne|Kip Thorne]] has carried out extensive research into wormholes, and helped develop a scientifically-consistent means of wormhole travel used by [[Wikipedia:Carl Sagan|Carl Sagan]] in his novel [[Wikipedia:Contact (novel)|"Contact"]] which bears a remarkable similarity to the technology employed within ''Battlestar Galactica''.<br />
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==See Also==<br />
*[[Combat jump]]<br />
*[[List of terms (RDM)|List of terms in the Re-imagined Series]]<br />
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<div>The '''SU''' or 'stellar unit'<ref>[http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1760 Confirmed by Kevin Grazier on Bear McCreary's blog]</ref> is a Colonial unit of measurement in the [[Re-imagined Series]].<br />
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==Usage==<br />
In the episode "[[The Captain's Hand]]", [[Lee Adama]] reports the distance of the missing [[Raptors]] from ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' in SUs.<br />
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Starbuck reports that the tidal stresses around black hole orbited by [[the Colony]] would destroy the ''Galactica'' before it could get within 10 SU [[Daybreak, Part 1]].<br />
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The final six digits of ''Galactica'''s jump coordinates represent its jump range in SUs<ref>[http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1760 Kevin Grazier on Bear McCreary's blog]</ref>, suggesting that the ship's maximum jump range - or at least the maximum inputtable distance - is 999,999 SUs (or 15.81 Colonial light-years).<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
* The real-world equivalent of the SU is the [[w:Astronomical unit|astronomical unit]] (AU), which is approximately equal to the distance between the Earth and the sun. Because distances in the Colonial solar system are very likely to be different, the SU cannot be assumed to have a value close to that of the AU. However, the relationship between the SU and the Colonial light-year (which would vary from ours based on the difference between the year of the Twelve Colonies' reference point - possibly Caprica's orbit around its star - and our own) is the same as that between AU and Terrastial light-years. Character ages in the series are similar to our own, suggesting that the differences between Terran and Colonial references are minimal, if not negligible<ref>[http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1760 Kevin Grazier on Bear McCreary's blog]</ref>.<br />
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<div>:''For information on the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series']] modes of propulsion, see [[Propulsion (TOS)]].''<br />
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{{RDM science series}}<br />
In the [[Re-imagined Series]], propulsion systems are powered by fuel refined from [[tylium|tylium ore]]. A ship's primary propulsion systems, referred to as "sublight engines", allow it to travel at a slight fraction of the speed of light, which is sufficient to traverse the distances between planets in a solar system in relatively short timeframes. Most ships in the series also have a secondary system, called a [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series#Faster-Than-Light travel|'''faster-than-light drive''']] (or '''"FTL"'''), that enables a ship to travel interstellar distances almost instantaneously, by "folding up space" in between the ship and its destination. Since, under normal circumstances, a ship that has used its FTL drive cannot be followed without explicit information about its destination, this technology is used extensively in strategic and tactical manuevers. <br />
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==Sublight propulsion==<br />
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In the Re-imagined Series, all ships have some manner of sublight flight ability. Sublight propulsion is convenient for intra-solar system travel (such as to or from the planets that comprise the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]), but cannot be used for travel outside of a solar system as the time to arrive at a destination may exceed the fuel supply of the ship or the lifetime of the crew that fly the ship.<br />
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As many of the ships of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] are capable of landing on and taking off from planets, (such as [[New Caprica]]) it is clear that sublight engines work in an atmosphere as well as in space. ''Galactica'' is never seen doing this, and its large mass might prohibit planetary landings altogether, but it employs sublight engines for normal spaceflight. Few of the ships appear to have extremely large propellant tanks as would be required for rocketry as it is presently understood, in spite of having aft-mounted thrusters. This may be explained by the very high energy density of [[tylium]] fuel. Smaller vessels are known to employ rocketry-based [[Navigation in the Re-imagined Series|RCS thrusters]] for maneuvering and small course adjustments.<br />
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Vipers are equipped with a thrust reversal system to counteract or arrest their forward momentum ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). No such mechanism exists on capital ships, but such vessels might turn by 180° to decelerate.<br />
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Cylons [[Basestar (RDM)|baseships]] do not have any visible exhaust nozzles or other external structural mechanisms that suggest propulsion ability. It is possible that force fields of the [[Gravity in the Re-imagined Series|artificial gravity]] generators are the source of the sublight propulsion. <br />
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Both Colonial ([[Hero]]) and Cylon missiles used in combat appear to be rockets, leaving a trail of gas behind them.<br />
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The law of conservation of momentum requires that any propulsion system which adds momentum to a spacecraft or missile in one direction must equal the amount of momentum that is imparted in the opposite direction to something else, as in the example of the controlled combustion of rocket fuel creating thrust in the opposite direction of a ship's or missile's movement. ''[[Pegasus]]'', for example, possesses two very large thrusters on the bow of the ship to counteract the force of the main engines ([[Razor]]). However, many other vessels don't appear to have such thrusters.<br />
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===Relativistic Sublight travel ===<br />
The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] did not have jump drive technology, so FTL travel was unavailable to the [[Final Five]] on their voyage from [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] to the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. They instead used a sublight drive able to reach relativistic speeds (a substantial fraction of the speed of light.) The journey took about 2,000 years according to a planetary reference frame, but a more modest (unspecified) number of years in their ship's reference frame.<br />
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==Faster-Than-Light travel==<br />
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''FTL'' is a acronym for '''F'''aster-'''T'''han-'''L'''ight. The term refers to a means of interstellar propulsion utilized by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonials]]. A common shorthand term for FTL travel is '''"jumping"''', as this space-folding drive involves making instantaneous "jumps" across vast distances in space.<ref>http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/about/glossary/</ref><br />
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[[Image:FTL1.jpg|thumb|250px|right|FTL jump]]<br />
[[Image:Ftl_display.jpg|thumb|250px|right|FTL drive display]]<br />
[[Image:Ftl3.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Galactica's FTL drive]]<br />
[[Image:Ftl2.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Galactica's FTL drive]]<br />
The FTL drive makes interstellar travel possible for both the Colonials and Cylons. No longer confined to their own home solar system, the Cylons managed to avoid Colonial interference for 40 years after the [[Cylon War]] and establish their own [[Cylon homeworld|home-world]]. However, not all ships &mdash; from small to large &mdash; are outfitted with these drives ([[Miniseries]]). <br />
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It is likely that FTL drives are not commonplace on many civilian ships because of the costs involved in using and maintaining the drive and the amount of [[tylium|fuel]] available. For some civilian ships that travel comparatively short distances between some destinations, such as the ill-fated [[Botanical Cruiser]], FTL may simply be impractical or unnecessary.<br />
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The technology behind FTL systems is such that, providing the relevant data is known, ships can jump with a high degree of accuracy, allowing ships to rendezvous in space and even "park" in a synchronous orbit directly above a given point on a planet's surface ([[Miniseries]]). Proper FTL use even enables vessels to arrive in crowded areas, such as the middle of an asteroid field or other ships, without the risk of collision and damage ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).<br />
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Little specific information on the technology of an FTL drive has been given in the Miniseries or regular series. We know only that ''Galactica'' has two FTL drives<ref>Dialogue from Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] instructs the tactical officer to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2" in the [[Miniseries]].</ref>, and that other smaller or civilian ships have a single drive.<br />
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FTL drives on ''Galactica'' are said to be "spun up" in preparation for a jump, contain components such as the "spinner" ("[[The Captain's Hand]]") and "spin-sync generator" ("[[Faith]]") and display a rotational and possibly electromagnetic operation. Until the final-season episode, "[[Blood on the Scales]]", the expression was theorised by many fans to be either a turn of phrase, or an anachronism dating back to another form of propulsion, much like the use of the term "air" in reference to fighter operations in the vacuum of space ("[[Commander Air Group]]", "[[Combat Air Patrol]]", ''inter alia'') and the real-world use of "sail" and "set sail" in reference to self-propelled vessels.<br />
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An operational FTL drive was first seen in "Blood on the Scales", specifically one of ''Galactica's'' two. Indeed, an assortment of long, thick shafts spin as part of the FTL drive mechanism. The FTL engine room includes a control terminal for diagnostic and auxilliary control. In order to prevent Felix Gaeta and his mutineers from jumping ''Galactica'' to an unknown location, former Senior Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]] attempted to log into the engine room terminal which refused him access, recognising his duty status as "inactive". He was nevertheless able to manually disable the drive by removing a the synchronisation coil.<ref>Part identified in dialogue in "No Exit".</ref> Gaeta made no attempt to use the other FTL drive, indicating either that the other drive was inoperative, the two drives are not entirely independent, or that Gaeta simply decided that the mutiny and Coup d'état were doomed and futher attempts were pointless.<br />
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FTL jump drives can be used ''within'' an atmosphere. This Colonial tactic is used often to evade Cylon detection. While [[Raptor]]s primarily perform these kind of jumps, Admiral [[William Adama]] performs a daring intra-atmosphere jump at approximately 100,000 feet altitude with ''[[Galactica]]'' during the [[Battle of New Caprica]] to evade immediate Cylon detection. The battlestar jumps back to space a few hundred feet above the planet's surface after its Viper deployment. When ''Galactica'' jumps, the clouds surrounding it and the re-entry fires consuming its hull are "sucked" into the vacuum created by the sudden loss of volume. A clap of thunder is heard afterward, likely caused by air rushing into the aforementioned vacuum ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A similar phenomenon occurs when ''Pegasus'' jumps from the attack on the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]]; the resulting displacement not only draws in the burning gases from the nearby berthing superstructure, but also defuses two nuclear warheads bound for ''Pegasus'' itself ([[Razor]]).<br />
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An area of spatial distortion of some sort is also produced when a ship jumps. This effect has been observed twice thus far. Once, when the tylium refinery ship ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' is approached by a pair of Vipers and a Raptor in an effort to quell a mutiny aboard the ship. The ''Hitei Kan'' unexpectedly jumps and the Vipers and Raptor are repelled away by some force as soon as the ship dematerializes ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). The second time this is seen is when a Raptor stolen by [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] executes a jump mere meters away from ''Galactica’s'' hull. When the Raptor disappears into the jump the section of the hull it was adjacent to is instantaneously indented. Just prior to that, Col. [[Saul Tigh]] expresses his fears of even greater damage should Valerii jump the Raptor while inside ''Galactica’s'' flight pod ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). It is not clear how this distortion field, which seems to produce effects like a shock wave, also coincides with the known effect of a jump acting as a sort of vacuum, which instead of producing an outwards wave should pull the surrounding space into it. The two effects might occur consecutively, the vacuum effect left in the ship's wake, then the expelled shock wave.<br />
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Later, the Fleet's FTL drives are upgraded by the Rebel Cylons so they can now travel as far and as fast as a Cylon ship. Not all ships are apparently upgraded as for some reason, the Raptor Boomer steals lacks the upgraded drive.<br />
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=== Limitations of Colonial FTL ===<br />
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* The effectiveness of a [[Raptor]]'s FTL is limited to brief, short-distance jumps. Raptors require a sequence of short consecutive FTL "hops" to reach the same destination as a Colonial capital ship with a full-sized FTL drive ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
* Colonial FTL systems are prone to breakdown after repetitive use over an extended period of time ([[33]]).<br />
* Colonial FTL systems appear to be a holdover from the [[History of the Twelve Colonies#Exodus|Exodus]] from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], and their current designs have been developed to meet the needs of jumping between the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], and their outposts in other star systems. Colonial FTL capabilities are generally limited in effective range compared to Cylon FTL.<br />
* Navigators must be careful to plan FTL jump paths in order to keep a safe distance from planets or other large objects ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).<br />
* "Spooling up" a Colonial FTL drive takes at least 20 minutes when the drive has been offline ([[Crossroads Part II]]). Because of this, when ships enter dangerous situations, they keep their FTL drives "spun up".<br />
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Colonial FTL performance can be improved, demonstrated when a [[Raptor]] is successfully refitted by a team apparently led by Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] with the navigational computer from a captured [[Heavy Raider]] (presumably the one used by [[Kara Thrace]] to return from Caprica in "[[Home, Part I]]") and, with the cooperation of a [[Sharon Agathon|Number Eight]], is used to navigate a squadron of Raptors back to Caprica on a rescue mission to retrieve a [[Caprica Resistance|group of resistance fighters]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).<br />
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Colonial FTL computers can be affected by highly-charged sub-atomic particles, corrupting their calculations and possibly causing a jump beyond the [[Red Line]], as in the case of [[Raptor 718]] ([[The Face of the Enemy]], Episode 2).<br />
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The FTL drive apparently puts significant strain on a ship's structure. ''Galactica'' has substancial cracks in her hull adjacent to the FTL drive which Tyrol disabled. ([[Blood on the Scales]]) While discussing structural repairs with Adm. Adama, Tyrol asks him not to jump the ship for a while, whilst his crews upgrade the structure. ([[No Exit]])<br />
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FTL jumps can apparently induce nausea or discomfort in some people, such as [[Cally Henderson]] ([[Miniseries, Night 2]], "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]").<br />
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=== Cylon Advantages in FTL ===<br />
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* Cylon FTL systems can be manufactured on a smaller scale to their Colonial equivalent, thus allowing the [[Cylon Raider]] to be outfitted with an FTL drive. ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
* Cylon FTL drive systems are far more efficient than their Colonial equivalent. Tests with the Raider captured by the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]) demonstrated that the drive could enable the Raider to jump directly from the vicinity of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] back to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]) - a jump completed by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] during her search for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). This superiority is not from FTL drives themselves, but from the superior Cylon navigation system, resulting in more accurate jump calculations.<br />
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Cylon FTL drives are three times more effiicent than their Colonial counterparts ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). Despite being well-versed in maintaining ''Galactica'''s two FTL drives and being a [[Final Five]] [[Cylon]], former [[wikipedia:Senior Chief Petty Officer|Senior Chief Petty Officer]] [[Galen Tyrol]] is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "[[Number Six|Sixes]], [[Number Eight|Sharons]] and maybe even some [[Number Two|Leobens]]" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. He also said that the the upgraded drives would increase their jump distance by at least three times. ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]) The Fleet later gets the upgrade and the difference can be clearly seen in the jump capabilities: a Raptor stolen by Boomer which for an unknown reason doesn't have the upgraded drive, takes over a dozen jumps to reach The Colony, but ''Galactica'' and even an upgraded Raptor are able to make the distance that took that Raptor over a dozen jumps, they make in ''one''.<br />
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The Cylons may also be capable of [[faster-than-light communication]].<br />
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==FTL jump ranges==<br />
The range that ''Galactica'' can jump at has never been specified on-screen. However, in a deleted line from the mini-series the jump from Ragnar to the [[Prolmar Sector]] is said to be "30 light-years", which is way beyond the [[red line]] (maximum safely calculable jump range). This is consistent with Colonel Tigh saying that ''Galactica'' could search every planet within 12 light-years for water before having to jump to another sector altogether ([[Water]]). On this Wiki, producer Bradley Thompson suggested that internally, the writers had been working on the idea the Fleet had been jumping about 5 light-years at a time, although that does not have to have been its maximum range. Finally, on composer Bear McCreary's blog<ref>[http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1760 Bear McCreary's blog]</ref>, science advisor Kevin Grazier and producer Bradley Thompson suggested that the final six digits for the jump coordinates Kara interprets from [[the Music]] represent distance in [[SU]]s. 999,999 SUs - the maximum possible distance that can be inputted - would relate to 15.812 Colonial light-years. The distance inputted during the Battle of the Colony is 365,321 SU or 5.77 Colonial light-years, which is presumably the distance from the Colony to Earth ([[Daybreak, Part 3]]). There may also be a factoring scale at work, and at close ranges ''Galactica'' appears to be able to jump much more accurately, as demonstrated by its jump from several million kilometers directly into New Caprica's atmosphere 100,000 feet above the surface ([[Exodus, Part 2]]), or a jump of unknown range to within one kilometre of the Colony's surface ([[Daybreak, Part 2]]).<br />
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Cylon FTL ranges are considerably larger. At the end of the series, the Fleet's larger ships have their jump ranges tripled by the installation of Cylon technology ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). However, during the rescue of Colonial resistance forces from Caprica three years earlier, a Raptor squadron outfitted with a Cylon FTL navigation computer traversed in 10 jumps ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1]]) a distance that ''Galactica'' would have required a minimum of 230 jumps (conservatively) to cross ([[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]), an improvement by a factor of 23.<br />
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==Background to FTL in the Re-imagined Series==<br />
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{{Plausible speculation}}<br />
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In establishing the series the creators of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] determined to keep everything within the show very "[[Naturalistic science fiction|natural]]". This means steering away from the standard clichés of television science-fiction: no bumpy-head aliens, no remarkable technology such as matter/anti-matter conversion, etc. So how is the concept of faster-than-light travel possible within this precept?<br />
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===Underpinning Theories===<br />
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[[Image:Wormhole-demo.png|thumb|FTL: "Folding Space"]]<br />
The FTL drive technology used within the Re-imagined Series might be based on the use of [[Wikipedia:Superstring Theory|Superstring Theory]] and [[Wikipedia:M-Theory|M-Theory]] that essentially enable the "jump drive" systems to "fold" space, reducing the distance between any two points by creating a "corridor" through space that links them together (essentially forming a wormhole, or Einstein-Rosen Bridge). Such "corridors" are allowed by the general theory of relativity; what [[Wikipedia:M-Theory|M-Theory]] does is provide a way to change the topology of space-time dynamically.<br />
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The use of such wormholes is based on the tenet that space is curved. Hence the term "[[Wikipedia:Wormhole|wormhole]]", which arises from the analogy that space can be seen as an apple. A worm can travel from one side of the apple to the other in two ways:<br />
* By crawling over the surface, or<br />
* By burrowing through the apple (creating a "wormhole").<br />
Obviously, the second option is considerably shorter than the first.<br />
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===Relativistic Acceleration===<br />
A key point concerning the use of wormholes within the new ''Battlestar Galactica'' is that they do not break the fundamental limiting factor of our universe: the speed of light. Vessels in ''Battlestar Galactica'' do not accelerate to faster-than-light velocities. Rather, they use the wormhole to reduce the distance to their destination, thus giving the ''impression'' of faster-than-light travel. <br />
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However, the FTL jumps in the series do allow information to be sent faster than light can send it, which results in a violation of causality within the special theory of relativity. (ie. If event A comes before B from one viewpoint, there will be other equally valid viewpoints where event B takes place before A.) Causality is not violated by FTL in a universe that has a special fixed reference frame, however this contradicts current understanding.<br />
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This is the reason why FTL jumps are virtually instantaneous within episodes. It also means that the only ''direct'' form of propulsion available for vessels is generated by their [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight drive systems]]<ref>In turn, this is why vessels exiting from a jump are traveling at the same velocity as when they committed to the jump ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]", "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]" and other episodes).</ref>.<br />
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===Feasibility===<br />
While the use of wormholes in this manner is not currently possible, work is progressing on superstring and M-Theory which may make the creation of wormholes possible in the future. The limiting factor is the ability to generate negative energy densities, which are allowed (though severely restricted) by quantum mechanics. As such, the use of such systems again meets one of the stated desires of the the producers of ''Battlestar Galactica'': not to rely on the "traditional" trappings of science-fiction that require exotic science and technology. Theoretical physicist [[Wikipedia:Kip Thorne|Kip Thorne]] has carried out extensive research into wormholes, and helped develop a scientifically-consistent means of wormhole travel used by [[Wikipedia:Carl Sagan|Carl Sagan]] in his novel [[Wikipedia:Contact (novel)|"Contact"]] which bears a remarkable similarity to the technology employed within ''Battlestar Galactica''.<br />
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==See Also==<br />
*[[Combat jump]]<br />
*[[List of terms (RDM)|List of terms in the Re-imagined Series]]<br />
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|age=Aprroximately 30<ref>Tyrol stated that he has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and had "ten years experience" at the time of the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]) which would make him 28 at the time. The events of the third season take place two years later.</ref>, actually 2,000+<ref>[This is due to extreme long age flight at near but not equaling light speed. Thus succumbing to relativistic affects including only from his point of view being in space for only a few years. Therefore in addition to have actually been born his actual age biologically speaking is actually closer to 30 possibly older but not 2,000.</ref> <br />
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|parents= Allegedly an unnamed [[oracle]] (mother) and [[priest]] (father).<br />
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|children=[[Nicholas Tyrol]] (''de jure'', not biological)<br />
|marital status= Widowed, formerly married to [[Cally Tyrol|Cally (Henderson) Tyrol]] †<br />
|role= Formerly Principal liaison between rebel Cylons and Colonials<br/>Senior NCO/Crew Chief, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<ref name="rank_status">Formally reinstated by Admiral Adama in "''[[No Exit]]''"</ref> Currently arrested.<br />
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|serial= 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref><br />
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== Biography ==<br />
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=== Background ===<br />
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'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.<br />
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However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.<br />
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Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''. <br />
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===First and Second Life Cycles===<br />
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Tyrol was born on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] during its last days. He was a senior researcher in a special team attempting to recover [[downloading]] technology, which had been lost since the founding of the colony. His work was considered key. In his first body, he wore glasses. He was planning to marry fellow team member [[Tory Foster]]. The two of them were lovers and shared living quarters.<br />
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Prior to the war, Tyrol and the others received warnings about the war from beings they saw which no others could see. Tyrol insisted there must be a chip in his head creating the visions, not unlike Baltar would thousands of years later. The work was completed. Tyrol was killed by a very close nuclear flash as he was shopping in a fruit and flower market. The vaporization of his body left a shadow on a concrete wall visible 2,000 years later.<br />
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His consciousness was transferred to a ship orbiting the planet. He and the others set out in a slower-than-light ship to re-find Kobol and the 12 tribes. He arrived at the colonies during the first Cylon war, and helped construct the eight humanoid Cylons. He was betrayed, killed and boxed by [[Number One|John]], who later resurrected him with false memories and planted him in the colonies for his next life cycle.<br />
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=== Cylon Attack ===<br />
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At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.<br />
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=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===<br />
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[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]<br />
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For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement. <br />
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When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]). <br />
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Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself. <br />
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While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.<br />
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=== Kobol ===<br />
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When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]]) <br />
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While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).<br />
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Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack. <br />
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When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown. <br />
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As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).<br />
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=== After Kobol ===<br />
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Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test). <br />
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Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.<br />
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As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.<br />
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Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.<br />
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After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.<br />
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=== Helo's Return ===<br />
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After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.<br />
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Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br />
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Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.<br />
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The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.<br />
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After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".<br />
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=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===<br />
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Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely. <br />
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Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".<br />
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[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'<br />
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]<br />
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===On New Caprica===<br />
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A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br />
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).<br />
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By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.<br />
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By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.<br />
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After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br />
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===After The Second Exodus===<br />
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Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).<br />
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===Seeing the Eye===<br />
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[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]<br />
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.<br />
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After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br />
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===The life of a knuckledragger===<br />
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]). <br />
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The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).<br />
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Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).<br />
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===Revelations===<br />
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.<br />
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Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).<br />
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When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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===Earth and after===<br />
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Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).<br />
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Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.<br />
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Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive" from the time of his exposure in "Revelations" until the first act of "No Exit"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales". He accepts Adm. Adama's request to return to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably SCPO) whilst discussing the necessary ship repairs in the FTL engine room in Act 1 of "No Exit".</ref>, though he apparently continues to reside aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.<br />
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The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive by removing its synchronisation coil<ref>Actions shown in "Blood on the Scales". The part is identified in dialogue in "No Exit".</ref>, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])<br />
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Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).<br />
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Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably Senior Chief, but his specific rank has never been stated orally), a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol convices a reluctant Adm. Adama to let him utilize Cylon technology to repair and structually enhance the ship. Adama promoted him back to his old position.<br />
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===The escape of Sharon Valerii===<br />
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After Tyrol had been supervising for a time the repairs on ''Galactica'', Sharon Valerii returned to ''Galactica'' ostensibly rescuing [[Ellen Tigh]] from the [[Cavil]] led Cylons. Tyrol immediately exposed Valerii to Admiral Adama who had her arrested for her past attack on himself, then Commander Adama, and her leadership role in New Caprica's puppet government. During the ensuing weeks Valerii was held in the brig. After the Rebel Cylons elected [[Sonja]] as their representative to the Quorum she immediately requested the extradition of Valerii to the Cylons for treason in siding with the Cavil forces in the Cylon Civil War (she went against the consensus decision of her model line to not lobotomize the Cylon Raiders). Her acts after the war started caused the deaths of thousands if not millions of Rebel Cylons. If found guilty she would be put to death. This cause great distress to Tyrol. This compelled him to visit Valerii in the brig for the first time after weeks of her incarceration. He voiced his regrets over things he said to Valerii when he discovered she was a Cylon but still unaware he was one himself. Later, there for the first time Tyrol experienced Cylon Projection, joining the projection by Valerii of their house they had intended to build on [[Picon]] and eventually the child they probably would had had. This rekindled his love for Valerii. He pleaded with President Roslin to deny extradition that was to happen the very next day. He failed. Without legal recourse and certain that the Rebel Cylons would put her to death, Tyrol, under the cover of darkness he created, assaulted an Eight during repair work on ''Galactica''. Somehow transporting the incapacitated Eight, he then sabotaged the power to the Valerii's Brig. With her cooperation she was switched for the other Eight. Tyrol had intended to just have her escape ''Galactica'' (where in particular was not revealed) by briefly impersonating Sharon "Athena" Agathon who was scheduled to go on a long range duration planet search mission. Possibly unknown to him she had viciously assaulted Athena in the pilot's head adjoining the [[Ready Room]]. However, giving his willingness to assault a random Eight to facilitate the escape of Valerii he may had seen Valerii's assault on Athena-if he knew about it-as a necessary evil. What he didn't know was Valerii's intent to abduct and escape with Hera Agathon, Athena's daughter. On the hanger deck and unknown to him she was in the equipment provisions case drugged as he helped Valerii with it onto a Raptor. After a passionate good bye (after Valerii asked Tyrol to join her but he turned it down) with the hope that they will meet again, Valerii prepared for launch. In the interim Valerii was discovered to have escaped and Admiral Adama, first through deception and then overtly tried to apprehend her by preventing her launch, prompting her to take drastic action to fly out of a closing flight pod damaging the Raptor but making it out. She then quickly jumped away from ''Galactica'' damaging her hull due to her proximity. As he was overseeing and giving orders for repairs of the damaged section he learned of the abduction by Valerii of Hera from a crewman and overhearing a distraught Athena and Helo brow beat a crewman for supposedly not noticing a three year old girl boarding a Raptor. Shocked and devastated he irrationally projected the Picon house which was empty including of his notional daughter. It emotionally shattered him, Valerii's betrayal in stealing Hera. Valerii's mission was to abduct Hera all along. The "rescue" of Ellen Tigh was part of the plot to gain credibility.([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]) Later Tyrol was arrested for his hand in the escape of Sharon Valerii and her abduction of Hera Agathon. How his complicity was detected is not known. Although given his known determination to save Valerii from extradition and very likely death and his known "repair" of the power to her cell he was a natural suspect. Also, given the known Cylon ability to tell each other apart despite being identical to humans if he was seen talking to the supposed "Athena" on the hanger deck he would not able to plead ignorance and misidentification given how easily he identified Valerii when she first came aboard. Given his arrest most likely he has been stripped of his rank and responsibilities. ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] outtakes<ref>The scene depicting the arrest and jailing of Tyrol was edited out. [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1671]</ref>)<br />
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Tyrol is released from the brig and when Admiral Adama calls for volunteers to rescue Hera, he immediatly volunteers and convinces Tory Foster to as well. When ''Galactica'' jumps to the battle, he mans the FTL console and is the one to jump the ship to the Colony, but he remains with Ellen and Anders afterwards. Later, after the Five offer to give Cavil back resurrection in exchange for giving them back Hera and leaving humanity alone, Tyrol and the other members of the Five combine together through Anders' Hybrid tank to retrieve the secret of resurrection which they each hold a piece of, and Tyrol and the others see at least some of each others memories. When Tyrol sees Tory killing Cally and realizes the truth, he flies into a rage, breaks the download and strangles Tory and breaks her neck, killing her. Later on the Colonials new homeworld, he decides to move to an island with no people on it and live out the rest of his days as a hermit, having grown tired of people, both human and Cylon. <br />
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From the description "it's an island, off one of the northern continents. It's cold, it's up in the highlands" his intended place of residence may be modern-day Scotland; however, in historical fact sea levels 150,000 years ago were different and Britain was not then an island, being connected to the European mainland.<br />
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== Attitudes toward humans ==<br />
After his self discovery as a Cylon and his almost suicidal depression over it, he seems to have accepted it but is still struggling in coming to terms with what it exactly means. He has expressed himself as a Cylon and represented their point of view in discussions with Admiral Adama including lobbying for Cylon citizenship and delegate representation in the Fleet. ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). However, he still has a strong loyalty to the humans and Galactica, siding with the Loyalist during the mutiny and was instrumental in getting President Roslin and Gaius Baltar off the ship in which they subsequently reached the safety of the Baseship. ([[The Oath]]) He also prevented the Galactica from jumping away from the Baseship and the ships who followed Roslin's orders. ([[Blood on the Scales]]) After discovering serious structural damage to the ship, he has accepted a request to become Chief of Engineering again from Admiral Adama who he is fiercely loyal to in particular. He has offered to use Cylon technology to help strengthen her hull. After an initial refusal from Adama the Admiral changed his mind and accepted Tyrol's offer. He looks on the saving the humans from the Cylon Centurions during the first Cylon War as a positive that he and the other Five should be given credit for it ([[No Exit]]) but he has never uttered an anti-human word. However, he has been told of his history on Earth and since then second handedly. Unlike [[Ellen Tigh]] and [[Samuel Anders]] and like [[Tory Foster]] and [[Saul Tigh]] he has no first hand self recollection of his true history. It is not known if his strongly pro-human attitude will change if he ever does, but Anders's recitation of events including him helping stopping the First Cylon War against the humans 40 years ago it maybe favorable if he does recover his true memory.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
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*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref><br />
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.<br />
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".<br />
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').<br />
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.<br />
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.<br />
*''[[No Exit]]'''s revelations may answer how he was able to sense the Temple of Five: it was built by the Thirteenth Tribe and the Final Five visited it on their way to the Twelve Colonies. Tyrol's blocked Cylon memories may have subconciously guided him there as he did know its location in the blocked memories.<br />
*The podcast for ''[[Daybreak, Part 3]]'' confirms that Tyrol settled in Scotland, and there were people already living there. Tyrol became the 'Tribal King of the Scots', apparently due to Aaron Douglas' great enthusiasm for the idea. Ronald D. Moore is presumably being flippant by suggesting that all Scots (a people noted for a tradition of great engineers) are descended from Tyrol, since that seems to immediately contradict the idea that all of modern humanity is descended from [[Hera Agathon]] instead. In addition, subsequent ice ages would have likely either wiped out any population in Scotland and the British Isles from this time or forced them to flee south.<br />
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Tyrol was originally and currently a [[wikipedia:Senior Chief Petty Officer|Senior Chief Petty Officer]]<ref name="rank_status"/> then demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in "[[Escape Velocity|Escape Velocity]]". Tyrol was put into inactivation after his discovery as a Cylon in "[[Revelations]]". He was made Senior Chief Petty Officer once again in "[[No Exit]]". However, he has been placed under arrest for his role in the escape of [[Sharon Valerii]] and her abduction of [[Hera Agathon]].<br />
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| title= Daybreak, Part II & Part III<br />
| season= 4<br />
| episode= 20<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
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===Act 1===<br />
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The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br />
*In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves. Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar<ref>This is a side reference to the events of the episode, "[[Hero]]"</ref> Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br />
*Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]]. Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br />
*Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago. Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. "The night's young. Apparently, so are you," she says. "Let's see what happens."<br />
*Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br />
*Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak to a couch after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br />
*Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br />
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Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty. He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|Virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's]] plan for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it. Paulla interrupts his conversation, but Baltar asks for five minutes before he leaves.<br />
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===Act 2=== <br />
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* In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br />
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* In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br />
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* Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br />
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* Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, "start throwing rocks," he says with a small smile.<br />
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* The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br />
* The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br />
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* Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br />
* In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. "Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock," Tigh quips. "Take too much time," Adama answers. <br />
* With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br />
* Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br />
* Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br />
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===Act 3===<br />
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* A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br />
* Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br />
* Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br />
* [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br />
* Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br />
* In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br />
* Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br />
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* The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br />
* With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br />
* ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br />
* Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br />
* [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br />
* [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br />
* The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br />
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* Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br />
* Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br />
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===Act 4===<br />
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* The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br />
* [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br />
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* In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. "All of the pieces are falling into place."<br />
* The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br />
* With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br />
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* The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she "owed him one." With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br />
* A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br />
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* Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br />
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* Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, "Stopped for coffee."<ref>This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.</ref> With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br />
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* ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br />
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===Act 5===<br />
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* Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br />
* Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br />
* Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br />
* Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br />
* Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br />
* As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br />
* Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br />
* Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has been visited by angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God (RDM)| Virtual Six once told him]]), "God is not on anyone's side." The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br />
* Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br />
* Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br />
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===Act 6===<br />
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* Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br />
* The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br />
* But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see "certain things" of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. "I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!"<br />
* The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br />
* Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br />
* As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated "[[Frak]]!" before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br />
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* High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br />
* The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br />
* Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br />
* She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br />
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* A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br />
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* ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br />
* "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br />
* But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br />
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===Act 7===<br />
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* The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br />
* Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br />
* On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br />
* At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br />
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* Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br />
* A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br />
* Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br />
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* Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, "I'll see you on the other side."<br />
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===Act 8===<br />
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* Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br />
* He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br />
* As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, "Are you a Cylon?" and "Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?" Adama is angered and leaves, saying, "I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word."<br />
* Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br />
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* Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br />
* As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br />
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* Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br />
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===Act 9===<br />
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* On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. "A very beautiful world," she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, "Earth is a dream," believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br />
* Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br />
* Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of "[[Nothing but the rain]]" before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br />
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* Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. "I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good."<br />
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* A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br />
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* "Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee," Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. "Goodbye, Kara," he says. "You won't be forgotten."<br />
* A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br />
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* In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br />
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* Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. "So much..life," Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br />
* Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br />
* In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. "Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there," he says, pointing to some hills.<br />
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===Act 10===<br />
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* A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br />
* The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br />
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* Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, "God's plan is never complete." "Great..." Baltar replies sullenly.<br />
* Virtual-Baltar counters, "I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful."<br />
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* Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to "peek" into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br />
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* When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Julius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br />
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* Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. "I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."<br />
* As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br />
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* The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br />
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* As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br />
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* As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br />
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* The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br />
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* "You know it doesn't like that name," Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. "Silly. Silly me," he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br />
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* The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of "[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]" plays, ending with an image of [http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-10744-Robot+or+Human%3F+Here%27s+ACTROID.html an attractive-looking female automaton] gazing out over Times Square from a giant outdoor television screen.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
*A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th <ref>http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html</ref>. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" and "[[Rapture]]".<br />
**According to the episode podcast, the sequences on Earth at the end were the ones filmed at Kamloops. Some CGI was used to remove distinctive Canadian evergreen trees from the background and replace them with more Africa-looking foilage, but otherwise the landscape was actually a decent match for Africa.<br />
*Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. <ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}</ref><br />
*There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in "[[Daybreak, Part I]]" before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br />
**A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arrival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies, and Kara Thrace vanishes without a trace. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,404. This does not include the unknown number of humanoid Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br />
*With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br />
*According to the podcast, the ''Galactica'' was originally going to jump right inside the Colony for the attack, but RDM changed it because he wanted the ship to have open space around it for the final Viper/Raider dogfight.<br />
*There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br />
** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br />
**Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br />
**Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br />
**The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br />
**Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br />
**The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br />
**The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br />
**The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br />
** At the beginning of the series, William Adama divorces his wife soon after returning to Colonial military service. At the end of the series, Adama abandons all trappings of the military to be with his unofficial wife Laura Roslin, upon whose finger he puts his wedding ring just after she dies.<br />
**This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being "Poetic justice" and Lee Adama's "What goes around, comes around" since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br />
*Gaius Baltar, with deliberate forethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br />
*This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her current whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br />
**Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br />
**Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br />
***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br />
**Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by an asteroid fragment penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by an asteroid.<br />
**Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br />
**Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br />
**Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br />
**Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br />
**Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her.<br />
*The fate of numerous supporting characters remains unrevealed, including [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]], last seen flying his Viper back to ''Galactica'' after the initial cease fire, numerous mutineers such as [[Diana Seelix]], and others such as Doc Cottle's nurse. The episode also never touches on what became of [[Cult of Baltar|Baltar's cult]], including founding member [[Jeanne]] who is absent from the finale entirely.<br />
**Since we didn't see them volunteer in the hanger deck nor they were depicted in the attack it is a fair assumption Seelix didn't volunteer. Ishay, Cottle's "nurse" was on Galactica away from the fighting she was last seen triaging with Roslin. Unless she did something like hit her head hard while being thrown to the deck by a severe explosion, it is very likely that she survived. On the other hand, no mention of Hot Dog's death was said if it occurred. Given the precedent of Galen Tyrol's incarceration not being mentioned for an episode it is not certain he is dead or alive. The Cult of Baltar including Jeanne, Paulla, and Tracy Anne stayed behind on the Baseship which stayed with the fleet. <br />
*The recurring subplot involving the faction called the [[Sons Of Ares]], in particular its growing conflict with the [[Cult of Baltar]], is not resolved.<br />
**The rivalry between the Cult of Baltar and the Sons of Ares lives and doings where disrupted by the evacuation of Galactica and the resettlement on New Earth. They would have a hard time resuming their activities in all the confusion.<br />
*This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br />
*The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.<br />
*Racetrack's Raptor, and possibly the other ones in its flight group destroyed in the assault on the Colony, was carrying the last nukes from ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', marking the end of humanity's use of these weapons (which were used to destroy the Twelve Colonies at the start of the series). Presumably the baseship's store of nukes remains intact.<br />
*Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br />
*According to the podcast, when Laura asks "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Starbuck was supposed to reply, "Somewhere along the watchtower." Director Michael Rhymer did not like this idea and simply didn't shoot the line. Moore later agreed that it was better not to have Kara speak.<br />
*The shot of ''Galactica'' flying over the Moon and reaching Earth was inspired by real-life shots from the Apollo space programme, specifically Apollo 8's shot of coming around the dark side of the Moon and the Apollo 17 shot of the Earth itself.<br />
*Before deciding that ''Galactica'' should reach Earth in prehistoric times, Moore toyed with the idea of having the Fleet arrive during the Hellenistic period and formed the basis of the ancient Greek religion and society. However, this idea was rejected as it suggested that the Colonials blessed only Western civilisation with their knowledge rather than all of humanity, and it did not acknowledge Hera's importance. Moore read an article on the idea of a common human ancestor which he decided should be Hera. This also explains why the Fleet personnel landed in Africa (the network had been suggesting it should be North America, presumably to match the final shot of Season 3).<br />
*Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distant descendants of Hera.<br />
*The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely maternal one).<br />
** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br />
** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have had daughters to pass on her mitochondrial DNA.<br />
** Since mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother only, and Hera has a Cylon mother, her mitochondrial DNA and that of all her descendants is pure Cylon (discounting mutations).<br />
*The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br />
*The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defense Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br />
*When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br />
**According to the podcast for the episode, the destruction of the Fleet and the spreading out of the surviving Colonials over the planet's surface was supposed to be a sign of humanity's commital to their new world, not necessarily promoting a Luddite agenda. The comparison that is drawn is Cortes burning his ships on the shores of central America so his men would not have a way of retreating if things got difficult. However, RDM later mentions that one of the last shots was to have been of the Colonials destroying their last Raptors, which suggests that the Luddite approach was more what they were aimng for.<br />
*Also in the podcast, RDM is happy to confirm that Tyrol did find some natives in Scotland and ended up being the 'King of the Scots', apparently since Aaron Douglas loved the idea of Scottish civilisation (with its tradition of great engineers) being descended from Tyrol.<br />
*The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, "Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe", W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br />
**According to the podcast, Ronald D. Moore was wearing a Jimi Hendrix T-shirt in the final shot, but they chose not to show this. The shot of the realistic Japanese female robot was found by Terry Moore online and was referred to as the 'next' Number Six by RDM.<br />
**Also according to the podcast, Baltar saying "It doesn't like that name," is significant, and is indeed meant to confirm that whatever 'God' is in the series, it isn't necessarily what the name implies.<br />
*The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br />
**It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br />
*Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingos flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice, the TV series in which Edward James Olmos co-starred.<br />
*The news network covering the story "Advances in Robotics" as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br />
**The last advance in robotics shown was a humanoid "cybernetic robot" named "ACTROID", a Japanese design that was unveiled in 2005.[http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-10744-Robot+or+Human%3F+Here%27s+ACTROID.html].<br />
**The ACTROID's appearance in the final scene bookends the first scene of the mini-series in which several "traditional" robotic Cylons appear, following by the first appearance of the attractive humanoid Cylon, Number Six.<br />
*Although many of the magazines on the newsstand appear familiar, close examination reveals that at least some have made-up names. A magazine that appears at first glance to be ''Sports Illustrated'' is actually ''Sports Limited''. Also, although the magazine read by Angel Six and Baltar (and Ronald Moore) closely resembles ''National Geographic'', at no time is the complete title of the magazine or its full logo actually shown on screen.<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
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*The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br />
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:1 = C#<br />
:2 = D<br />
:3 = E<br />
:(4 = F#)<br />
:5 = G#<br />
:6 = A<br />
:(7 = B)<br />
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:The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second "five" (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br />
*The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br />
*Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br />
*It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the "Notes" section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology, but only if it was transmitted to Baseships beyond the destroyed Colony. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br />
*On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br />
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br />
*The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br />
*The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br />
* There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof). <br />
* In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br />
* Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br />
* Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br />
* The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br />
* The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the "Big Dipper") appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" (Orion is also visible in this episode).<br />
* Adama's statement that New Earth is "one million light years" from Kobol must be taken as exaggeration or an error. The Milky Way is 100 000 light years across, and earlier statements in the show indicate that it considerable time to travel much shorter distances.<br />
** It's possible that Adama's "million light years" comment is meant metaphorically instead of literally, in essence saying the Colonials have come an unthinkable distance to reach their new home.<br />
*Cavil's suicide, in the way it is framed and executed, closely mirrors the televised 1987 suicide of American politician [[w:Budd Dwyer|Budd Dwyer]].<br />
* Adama's drunken moment, where he sits against a wall, vomits, and then looks up at the night sky, echoes [[w:Oscar Wilde|Oscar Wilde]]'s famous aphorism: ''We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.''<br />
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== Questions ==<br />
* What becomes of the Centurions?<br />
** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br />
** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br />
** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br />
* Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)<br />
**It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.<br />
*The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br />
**Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.<br />
* Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br />
** [[RDM]] has stated <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref> that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: "I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself."<br />
* What becomes of the baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br />
** Since the Fleet's baseship with its liberated Centurion crew is seen departing for parts unknown, perhaps they united.<br />
* Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br />
* If "it" doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does "it" like to be called?<br />
** This is a possible reference to the numerous other names attributed to God by different religions.<br />
* Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br />
** Adama and the others may have eventually destroyed the Raptors, or perhaps program them to leave Earth's orbit towards the Sun on autopilot to prevent any chance of Colonial Technology from being discovered. <br />
* Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br />
** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.<br />
* Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br />
* Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br />
* Can Thrace ever return again?<br />
* Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br />
* Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br />
* Were Caprica Six and Baltar "supposed" to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?<br />
* Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br />
* Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br />
** They likely needed a "neutral" party and had no time to hold an election. Also, a bond of trust had been established between Lee Adama and Romo in previous episodes.<br />
* What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the <i>[[Astral Queen]]</i>? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br />
* Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br />
* Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br />
* Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br />
** It appears that there was a faction of Cylons who did not accept the Final Five's offer to have humanoid models built for them, so it stands to reason they were the most "pure" Cylons following their own path and would not want to share human DNA. <br />
* How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br />
* Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br />
* Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br />
* Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)<br />
** No because what we deem a modern human is in fact a mixture of Colonial human and Humanoid Cylon.<br />
* Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br />
* Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br />
* Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis) <br />
* Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br />
* Why was ''Galactica'' able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause ''Galactica'' to break its backbone?<br />
* Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br />
* How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br />
**New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br />
*** Possibly gross exaggeration (similar to "a million miles from home") of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occurred during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away. The diameter of the Milky Way galaxy is 100.000 lightyears and the fleet never leaves this galaxy. <br />
* Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br />
* In what part of Earth (a northerly island with "highlands") did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br />
** Scotland, according an interview with RDM <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref><br />
* What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she "jump" to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br />
* In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the "harbinger of death" that would lead humanity to its "end"?<br />
** The pure Human and pure Cylon races both came to an end due to Starbuck's part in bringing them together. Furthermore, she helped bring about the apparent death of the Cycle.<br />
* How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br />
* In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br />
* During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br />
**The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br />
* Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth? <br />
* Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br />
**As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br />
** What Saul and Bill discuss is not necessarily fact; they don't know everything about the Cylons and characters are often seen speculating throughout the show in ways that have turned out to be false. For eg. in Season 1, some were scared people had been "replaced" by Cylons, which never happens.<br />
** Ellen said John Cavil was once a boy, but this is not necessarily literal.<br />
***It is not. The [[Significant Eight]] were never physically children. Ellen was referring to their emotional level of maturity when they first emerged. <br />
* Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br />
**If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want "justice" for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.<br />
**Considering these old Centurions were sentient before Cavil was created it's highly unlikely Cavil was able to equip them with telecephalic inhibitors. These Centurions were probably treated as equals by the humanoid Cylons and were allowed to live with them on the Colony until they broke down. <br />
***That may not be so, as the humanoid Cylons supposedly scrapped most of the old Centurions. The ones at the Colony may have been reprogrammed or been created after the First Cylon War with no free will.<br />
* Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br />
* Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?<br />
* Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?<br />
* Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?<br />
* How will Lee explain Kara's sudden disappearance to those at his settlement?<br />
** People will probably just assume she was killed in the battle or that she went into isolation like Adama and Tyrol.<br />
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== Official Statements ==<br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
*''Virtual Baltar says the last line of the series as he walks down a street of modern day New York City with Virtual Six:''<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''': "Silly Me.....silly, silly me".<br />
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*''The Galactica is about to jump to The Colony and into harms way:''<br />
:'''Admiral Adama''': Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'' has seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.<br />
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*''The Final Five are discussing things among themselves about to download the specifications of Resurrection technology. Cavil is impatient'' <br />
:'''Cavil''':"Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!<br />
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*''Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.''<br />
:'''Cavil''': Frak!<br />
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*''Nuclear missiles has knocked the Colony falling into the Singularity and is dragging Galactica with it and Starbuck is frantically attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.''<br />
:'''Starbuck''': There must be some kind of way out of here.<br />
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*''Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.''<br />
:'''Virtual Baltar''': All of this has happened before...<br />
:'''Virtual Six''': But does it all have to happen again?<br />
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*''Sam Anders, essentially Galactica's Hybrid, says his last words to Kara Thrace after she leaves his side.''<br />
:'''Samuel Anders''': See you on the other side<br />
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*''Baltar to Caprica Six on New Earth in unspoken reference about his father''<br />
:'''Baltar''': "You know, I know about farming." (sobs)<br />
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*''Laura Roslin is speaking to Dr. Cottle about the state of her health which both know it is grave with only a few days to live. Also, she is about to essentially go into battle to retrieve Hera and the Doctor appears to be on the verge of choking up:''<br />
:'''Laura Roslin''': Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble."<br />
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*''Former Admiral of the Fleet William Adama is showing Laura their new home on New Earth in a Raptor. She sees a heard of grezlles stampeding at the sight of the Raptor over the lush and rich landscape and says her last words:''<br />
:'''Roslin''': So much life...<br />
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*''William Adama is sitting on a high ridge overlooking what would later be called the African Savannah in spectacular view. Laura Roslin's grave is behind him close by and he talks to her spirit. It is his last statement in the series:'' <br />
:'''William Adama''': I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you."<br />
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*''Boomer has just given over Hera to Athena, saving her life from Cavil and Simon dissection-and both redeeming herself and condemning herself to death'' <br />
:'''Boomer''' (to Athena): Tell the old man, I owed him one.<br />
:'''Athena''' (angrily) Doesn't change anything you did though!<br />
:'''Boomer''' (shakes her head slightly): No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think its my last one. <br />
:'''Starbuck''': All right this is really touching. Now can we get the frak out of here!?!<br />
:'''Boomer''' (to Starbuck): You should know that your Raptor been destroyed. You can't go back that way. <br />
:(Athena passes Hera to Helo)<br />
:'''Athena''': Yeah well, that is not the plan.<br />
:'''Starbuck''' (sardonically): Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?<br />
:'''Athena''': Right.<br />
:''(Athena and Boomer look each other in the eye for a moment. She raises her weapon. Boomer makes no move to escape, but stands strait head up, accepting if not welcoming her fate. Athena fires. Boomer is dead before she hits the deck.)''<br />
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== Guest Stars ==<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br />
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br />
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br />
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br />
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br />
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]<br />
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br />
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br />
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br />
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br />
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br />
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br />
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br />
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br />
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br />
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br />
* [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br />
* [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br />
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br />
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br />
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| title= Daybreak, Part II & Part III<br />
| season= 4<br />
| episode= 20<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
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===Act 1===<br />
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* The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br />
* In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.<br />
* Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar<ref>This is a side reference to the events of the episode, "[[Hero]]"</ref> Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br />
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* Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].<br />
* Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br />
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* Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.<br />
* Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. "The night's young. Apparently, so are you," she says. "Let's see what happens."<br />
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* Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br />
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* Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br />
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* Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br />
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* The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.<br />
* He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.<br />
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===Act 2=== <br />
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* In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br />
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* In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br />
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* Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br />
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* Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, "start throwing rocks," he says with a small smile.<br />
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* The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br />
* The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br />
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* Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br />
* In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. "Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock," Tigh quips. "Take too much time," Adama answers. <br />
* With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br />
* Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br />
* Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br />
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===Act 3===<br />
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* A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br />
* Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br />
* Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br />
* [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br />
* Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br />
* In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br />
* Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br />
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* The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br />
* With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br />
* ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br />
* Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br />
* [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br />
* [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br />
* The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br />
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* Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br />
* Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br />
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===Act 4===<br />
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* The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br />
* [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the defensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br />
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* In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. "All of the pieces are falling into place."<br />
* The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br />
* With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br />
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* The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she "owed him one." With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br />
* A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br />
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* Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br />
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* Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, "Stopped for coffee."<ref>This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.</ref> With their objective complete and no other battlestar patrols found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br />
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* ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br />
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===Act 5===<br />
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* Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br />
* Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br />
* Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. In the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her.<br />
* Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br />
* Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. THe opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br />
* As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: They follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br />
* Suddenly Cavil, a Number Five and a Simon enter the room. Cavil grabs Hera as a shield.<br />
* Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[Miniseries, Part 1|he once said to the virtual Six]]), "God is not on any one's side." The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br />
* Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br />
* Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br />
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===Act 6===<br />
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* Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica''' as Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br />
* The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br />
* But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see "certain things" of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. "I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!"<br />
* The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br />
* Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br />
* As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated "[[Frak]]!" before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br />
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* High above, as gunfire begins again over ''Galactica'', [[Racetrack]]'s Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br />
* The force of the explosions disable the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br />
* Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br />
* She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br />
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* A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br />
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* ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are okay, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br />
* "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br />
* But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br />
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===Act 7===<br />
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* The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br />
* Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br />
* On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br />
* At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br />
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* Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br />
* A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br />
* Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br />
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* Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, "I'll see you on the other side."<br />
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===Act 8===<br />
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* Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br />
* He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br />
* As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, "Are you a Cylon?" and "Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?" Adama is angered and leaves, saying, "I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word."<br />
* Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br />
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* Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br />
* As a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br />
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* Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br />
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===Act 9===<br />
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* On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. "A very beautiful world," she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, "Earth is a dream," believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br />
* Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br />
* Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of "[[Nothing but the rain]]" before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br />
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* Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. "I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good."<br />
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* A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br />
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* "Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee," Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. "Goodbye, Kara," he says. "You won't be forgotten."<br />
* A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br />
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* In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br />
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* Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. "So much..life," Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br />
* Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br />
* In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. "Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there," he says, pointing to some hills.<br />
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===Act 10===<br />
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* A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br />
* The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br />
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* Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, "God's plan is never complete." "Great..." Baltar replies sullenly.<br />
* Virtual-Baltar counters, "I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful."<br />
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* Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to "peek" into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br />
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* When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br />
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* Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. "I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."<br />
* As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br />
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* The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br />
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* As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br />
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* As [[Ron D. Moore|Ron D. Moore reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br />
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* The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br />
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* "You know it doesn't like that name," Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. "Silly. Silly me," he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br />
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* The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of "[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]" plays.<br />
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* The story ends.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
*A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th <ref>http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html</ref>. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" and "[[Rapture]]".<br />
*Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. <ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}</ref><br />
*There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in "[[Daybreak, Part I]]" before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br />
**A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110.<br />
*With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br />
*There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br />
** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br />
**Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br />
**Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br />
**The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br />
**Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br />
**The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br />
**The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br />
**This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being "Poetic justice" and Lee Adama's "What goes around, comes around" since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br />
*Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br />
*This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br />
**Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br />
**Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br />
***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br />
**Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was stuck by a meteor penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by a asteroid.<br />
**Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br />
**Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br />
**Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br />
**Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br />
**Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her. <br />
*This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br />
*Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br />
*Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the Colonials', and probably the Rebel Cylons', descendants 150,000 years later. The [[Leoben]]s, [[Six]]s and [[Sharon]] models from the Baseship joined the Colonials on the new Earth.<br />
*The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely matrilineal one).<br />
** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br />
** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have daughters to pass on her (Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.<br />
*The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br />
*The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defence Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br />
*When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br />
*The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, "Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe", W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x]<br />
*The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br />
**It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br />
*Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingoes flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice.<br />
*The news network covering the story "Advances in Robotics" as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
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*The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br />
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:1 = C#<br />
:2 = D<br />
:3 = E<br />
:(4 = F#)<br />
:5 = G#<br />
:6 = A<br />
:(7 = B)<br />
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:The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second "five" (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br />
*The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br />
*Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br />
*It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the "Notes" section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br />
*On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br />
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br />
*The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br />
*The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br />
* There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out.<br />
* In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br />
* Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br />
* Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br />
* The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br />
* The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the "Big Dipper") appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in "[[The Ties That Bind]]".<br />
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== Questions ==<br />
* What becomes of the Centurions?<br />
** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br />
** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br />
** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br />
* Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive?<br />
*The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br />
* Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br />
* What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br />
* Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br />
* If "it" doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does "it" like to be called?<br />
* Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br />
* Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br />
* Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br />
* Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br />
* Can Thrace ever return again?<br />
* Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br />
* Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br />
* Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br />
* Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br />
* What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the <i>[[Astral Queen]]</i>? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br />
* Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br />
* Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br />
* Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br />
* How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br />
* Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br />
* Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br />
* Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human?<br />
* Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br />
* Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br />
* Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? <br />
* Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br />
* Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?<br />
* Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br />
* How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br />
**New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br />
* Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br />
* In what part of Earth (a northerly island with "highlands") did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br />
** Scotland, according an interview with RDM <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref><br />
* What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she "jump" to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br />
* In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the "harbinger of death" that would lead humanity to its "end"?<br />
* How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br />
* In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br />
* During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br />
**The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br />
* Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?<br />
* Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br />
**As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br />
* Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br />
* Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br />
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== Official Statements ==<br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
"Silly me.... silly, silly me."<br/><br />
--Virtual Baltar in the last line of the series.<br />
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"Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!"<br/><br />
--Cavil to the Final Five<br />
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"Frak!"<br/><br />
--Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.<br />
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"Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?"<br/><br />
"Right." (Athena kills Boomer)<br/><br />
--Starbuck and Athena about Boomer before Athena kills her.<br />
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"There must be some kind of way out of here."<br/><br />
--Starbuck attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.<br />
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"All of this has happened before..."<br/><br />
"But does it all have to happen again?"<br/><br />
--Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.<br />
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"See you on the other side"<br/><br />
--Samuel Anders<br />
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(To the grave of Laura Roslin) "I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you."<br/><br />
--William Adama's last line<br />
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== Guest Stars ==<br />
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br />
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br />
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br />
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br />
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br />
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br />
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br />
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br />
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br />
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]<br />
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]<br />
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br />
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]<br />
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br />
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br />
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br />
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br />
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br />
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br />
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br />
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br />
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br />
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br />
* [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br />
* [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br />
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br />
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<div>== The Starboard Pod's Hangar Deck ==<br />
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The flight-unusable hangar deck of the starboard flight pod was first used as the makeshift morgue for those killed in the nuclear strike aftereffects at the start of the Mini-Series. They couldn't be the regular hangar deck for the morgue--they're too busy retrieving the remains of two squadrons of Vipers at the time, and to have the bodies there would be cramped AND gross.<br />
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The starboard hangar is also in use at the end of the mini-series and seems to be used as an assembly area often (perhaps in "[[Home, Part II]]" as well. Unlike its port side, the starboard hangar deck is practically empty. Funerals were held here, probably in "[[Act of Contrition]]", and the bodies were buried in space through one of the launch tubes or Viper retrieval area of some kind as shown in that scene. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:49, 13 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:Might be worth someone adding a section on Camp Oil Slick maybe? As a related but non-canon note, wouldn't it make more sense to put this flight pod into operational service now that Galactica has Pegasus' complement of Vipers? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 02:20, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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::To add to this confusion about the starboard pod being used ... in [[Black Market]] when Racetrack is returning Apollo to Galactica, thy approach the starboard pod.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 23:59, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== A Measure of Salvation ==<br />
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Apollo mentions landing in the starboard pod in AMoS. On the Ragnar Anchorage forum someone claims that Raptors ''took off'' from it. But as far as I can see it, the only take off seen is around 35:25 and uses what looks like the port pod (cool shot btw). Can anyone confirm/deny that?<br />
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In any case I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from that. If it's indeed in an VFX shot, it could still be an error, but even the dialogue piece could be an error. It could be rationalized by saying that they wanted to land in an isolated place, as Cottle demanded a quarantine. Nearly all other evidence points to the hangar decks being relatively deserted, used for storage and for refugee camps (the pod is huge! Those aren't mutually exclusive) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:47, 5 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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== "Since Galactica's landing bays don't seem to use artificial gravity.." ==<br />
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Surely Galactica's pods must use artificial gravity. It wouldn't be much use as a musum otherwise? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 11:57, 4 March 2007 (CST)<br />
:Well, that's a point, but that might have been installed later. In the Miniseries, there are spacesuited figures floating around in zero-g inside the active flightpod. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:26, 4 March 2007 (CST)<br />
::When does that happen? Could I have a rough timestamp please? [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 14:04, 4 March 2007 (CST)<br />
:::When ''Colonial One'' first docks to ''Galactica''. At around 28:10. Look at the floor to the right of the ship. One of those workers is clearly floating. So in normal operation they don't seem to use AG. Maybe for they installed something into the floor for the museum... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:18, 4 March 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Hate to be anal here... ==<br />
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... but which pictures are we talking about, exactly? Are we talking about the Nimitz comparison? If so, we need to make this far more clear and precise:<br />
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: ''From comparing various graphics, it can be seen that the length of one of ''Galactica'' 's flight pods is around 660 metres long, 60 metres tall and 46 metres wide. Most of the internal space is taken up by the pod's enormous [[landing bay]], giving it similar dimensions.''<br />
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--[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 21:16, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I think analysis this detailed from a single picture that was only ever meant to be ''rough'' comparison isn't helpful anyways. I don't see how that narrows it down to one-meter precision. However, I really couldn't care less about such dimensions and can easily do without them. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:37, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:: That's my feeling on the subject, to be honest. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup><br />
:::And being more objective: it say "various graphics". But what are these? I only see one. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:44, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::All I've ever seen is the Nimitz comparison... Hence the reason why I posed the question. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 01:53, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::We do have the Zoic renders of the Galactica 3d model, as well as the official dimensions. Working from those, we should be able to calculate the size of the flight pods. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:30, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::Ok, if we're going to do that, then we need to show our work so that people at home can follow along. It's probably best to put all that into [[Sources:Flight pod]], or something to that effect, since it would fall under logical deduction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 14:29, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::I definately agree with you there, Joe. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:41, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Flight pods in the finale ==<br />
The finale shows that ''Galactica'' doesn't need to retract the flight pods to jump, it's just a good idea otherwise your combat-landed Vipers might go flying out the end (I'm hoping those Vipers powered up in time before they splattered on the Moon's surface).--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 00:18, 23 March 2009 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Flight_pod&diff=176948Flight pod2009-03-23T00:02:42Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>Also known simply as "pods", the '''flight pods''' contain the [[Landing bay|landing bays]] within the top and the [[Hangar Deck|hangar deck]] below, along with the [[Launch tubes (RDM)|launch tubes]] within the bottom half, adjacent to the hangar deck. Normally these two pods are extended so that the landing bays are open to space, but are typically retracted in order to perform an [[FTL]] jump with a [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar class]] such as ''Galactica's''.<br />
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The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles. The landing bay is large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, at least as large as "heavy" passenger ships such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]''. Docking collars are located throughout the upper sections of the landing bay in order to provide a pressurized connection between a docked vessel and the battlestar.<ref name="docking">''Colonial Heavy 798'' is seen landing within ''Galactica's'' flight pod in the [[Miniseries]], where a docking ring is shown approaching the ship. As it left Caprica, a similar docking ring is shown detaching from ''798'' as the ship lifts off. This has a logical counterpart to the JetWay retractable tunnels at airports on the real-world Earth, and would be reasonable given that civilian passengers would expect to walk to and from the ship without spacesuits or in hazardous conditions.</ref> The flight pods also have docking ports to dock with larger ships or stations.<br />
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Compartments within a flight pod can be sealed off [[frame]] by frame and vented to space to kill fires and prevent possible complete decompression and structural buckling. This occurred to the port flight pod after it was struck with a Cylon kiloton nuclear missile and was subjected to internal fires that threatened to ignite the ship fuel lines and destroy the ship. The use of the busy port hangar deck as a morgue would be rather morbid, so Commander Adama orders [[Galen Tyrol]] to set up a temporary morgue be in "hangar bay B" after the loss of 85 crewmembers from the strike ([[Miniseries]]). Since the port hangar deck (bay) is very busy with retrieving Vipers, and we see Captain [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] with the bodies in what <br />
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== ''Galactica'' ==<br />
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[[Image:Hanger.JPG|right|thumb|200px|''Galactica's'' port flight pod.]]<br />
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''[[Galactica]]'', as with other battlestars, has one flight pod on each side of the ship.<br />
The port flight pod was the only flight pod on ''Galactica'' currently in use at the time of the [[Cylon Attack]]. The starboard flight pod's landing bay was converted into a [[Galactica Museum|pressurized museum]] of artifacts of the first [[Cylon War]], including with a gift shop in the former launch bay. Crewman [[Socinus]] complains of the problems in keeping the landing bay's external windows sealed from leaks at the start of the [[Miniseries]].<br />
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The starboard landing bay remains closed off from space until a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] later crashes through one of the windows, depressurizing the landing bay ([[Scattered]]). After the Battle of New Caprica, the starboard flight pod appears to have been returned to partial working order as Lee Adama announces that his Raptor approaches the starboard landing bay in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]". However, this could be explained by special circumstances, as the boarding team is supposed to undergo quarantine procedures and might thus land in a more isolated place. The second explanation appears more likely, because in late Season 3 episodes the window covering the rear opening of the pod is still visible.<br />
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Since the escape from New Caprica, ''Galactica'''s flight pods have been put to use increasingly in other roles than just housing Vipers and Raptors. The hangar deck is used as the site of a [[Camp Oil Slick|refugee camp]] ([[Torn]]), as the scene of a sanctioned boxing tournament known as "the dance" ([[Unfinished Business]]), as a temporary shelter for the civilian population of the Fleet while navigating a radiation-dense star cluster ([[The Passage]]) and a full-time [[Joe's bar|bar]] has been set up on an unused stretch of the hangar deck ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]). This most likely all happened in the relatively unused starboard flight pod.<br />
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From comparing various graphics, it can be seen that the length of one of ''Galactica'' 's flight pods is around 660 metres long, 60 metres tall and 46 metres wide. Most of the internal space is taken up by the pod's enormous [[landing bay]], giving it similar dimensions.{{fact}}<br />
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Raptors are advised to fully exit the flight pod and move some distance from the battlestar before activating their FTLs to avoid causing damage from the spatial disruption caused by the jump ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). ''Galactica'''s starboard flight pod was ruptured by several Raptors jumping after being moved into the bay ([[Daybreak, Part 3]]).<br />
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''Galactica'' typically retracts the flight pods in order to perform an FTL jump, but it is still possible to jump with them extended. However, the spatial distortion caused by a jump can cause untethered fighters and vehicles to be dislodged from the flight deck when exiting the jump with the danger of them being thrown clear of the ship. Retracting the pods is therefore advisable ([[Daybreak, Part 3]]).<br />
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== ''Pegasus'' ==<br />
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[[Image:Pegasusflightpod.jpg|thumb|left|''Pegasus'' 's drifting flight pod before colliding with a basestar.]]<br />
The [[Mercury class battlestar|Mercury class battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' also has flight pods, but they differ greatly from ''Galactica's'' in that these larger pods are fixed and not retracted before a jump, with each pod transversely split into two landing bays to allow four distinct landing areas for fighters.<br />
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Several of ''Pegasus'' ' main guns are instead located along the flight pods instead of on the dorsal hull (like ''Galactica'' 's are).<br />
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The lower landing bay is placed upside down in relation to the upper bay, with ships also landing "upside down" relative to the battlestar main interior. Since ''Galactica'''s landing bays don't seem to use [[Gravity in the Re-imagined Series|artificial gravity]], this could also be the case with ''Pegasus''. The internal arrangement of the hangar decks is unknown, but some mechanism could exist to flip Vipers during transport to the internal hangars.<br />
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During the [[Battle of New Caprica]], the abandoned and unmanned ''Pegasus'' collides with and destroys one of the four basestars that attack ''Galactica''. One of its flight pods breaks off the destroyed battlestar and tumbles away to collide with and destroy yet another basestar ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br />
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One section of the upper flight pod is open to the side, allowing spacecraft to land vertically. Vehicles, such as bulldozers, tows and fork lifts, are available to recover landed or damaged spacecraft within the landing bay ([[Razor]]).<br />
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'''Paulla Schaffer''' is a [[Cult of Baltar|Baltar cultist]] with fanatical religious tendencies.<br />
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She accompanies [[Jeanne]] in her successful attempt to extricate [[Derrick]] from ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[sickbay]].<br />
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Later, she escorts Baltar to an [[Galactica crew facilities (RDM)#Heads|officer's head]] where she gives [[Gaius Baltar]] the opportunity to shave his beard. During this visit, she and Baltar are assaulted by [[Shaunt]] and [[Charlie Connor]], respectively. She manages to break free of Shaunt, who was trying to asphyxiate her, and fends off their attackers, savagely beating them.<br />
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En route back to the cultist's commune, she notes how she felt the power of [[God (RDM)|God]] in her to "smite" their attackers; Baltar ruefully retorts that she should curtail her violent tendencies, or run the risk of being up on murder charges in the future ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).<br />
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After Baltar's escape from ''[[Galactica]]'' during the mutiny ([[The Oath]]), Paulla assumes the role of leader for the cult, encouraging a more pragmatic lifestyle and more interaction with the other cultures on the ship. When Baltar returns, she unwillingly steps aside from the leadership role, but is happy when Baltar is able to procure weapons from Admiral [[Adama]] for protection against the [[Sons of Ares]] and other violent gangs ([[Deadlock]]).<br />
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<div>Should the tense of the article be changed to past, now that the Cloud 9 has been destroyed? --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 11:24, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Probably not. Even though WE all know that it's gone, it's still there for seasons 1 and 2 (well, most of 2 anyway...). Thus anybody reading about it from a season 1 or earlier 2 standpoint would still see it as existing. I think that's the reasoning behind episodic info being present tense. As for tense about the stuff that happened in the year gap on New Caprica... I assume present tense would be best just to avoid a situation where you're switching back and forth between past and present tense along the same timeline. If there's more discussion of this we might take it over to S&C. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::In the past, we've used past tense for events that ocurred prior to any filmed episode (Anne and William Adama married twenty years prior to the attack; Ellen Tigh was discovered three weeks prior to "TIgh Me Up, Tigh Me Down"), and present tense for events that actually take place during episodes. I'm somewhat partial to that convention, which would put the events of the one-year-gap in the past tense, but I agree that it could be confusing. I'd like to hear others' thoughts. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:23, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Personally, I believe that anything before the Miniseries should be spoken of in the past tense. Everything else should be present tense. At least that's what I'm partial to myself when I edit/write. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:51, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::I already forsee many problems with tense that are going to crop up thanks to the gap. We can't say "if we saw it on screen as it happened, its present, but if we saw it in a flashback, its past" any more, because that means, for example, the events of day 200 are in present tense, but the events of day 400 are past tense. While changing tenses to be relative to individual articles would make the articles clearer, having tense be relative to the Miniseries is easier to maintain on a large scale. It is also the status quo, and would be a pain to change every article. <br />
::::If we think this issue is serious enough, we should put it somewhere where more people will see it and we will be able to gather ideas. If we decide we need a better solution, I am sure that someone would come up with it. I find that theres always a solution to most problems if you look hard enough and ask a lot of people. Regardless, the present tense solution does work for now, until we start getting into flashbacks - which, I gather will be frequent in the first few episodes of season 3. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 23:05, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Deaths==<br />
I've been trying to work out how many people died when the Cloud Nine was destroyed. Minus the total number of deaths given for the occupation of New Caprica (given during Baltar's trial in ''Crossroads, Part 1'') from the difference in population count between the start of ''LDYB Part 2'' and ''Collaborators'' gives a 2,918-person difference, the majority of whom I'm assuming died when the C9 exploded. However, you also have to factor in all the births and deaths during the year on New Caprica, minus the Marines who died in the rescue mission to Caprica and then plus Anders and his resistance fighters. It's difficult to come to any final figure other than it was in the high 2,000s.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 23:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Number_Seven&diff=176118Number Seven2009-03-17T00:56:02Z<p>Werthead: /* Notes */</p>
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"'''Number Seven,'''" also known as "Daniel", was one of eight [[humanoid Cylon]] models created by the [[Final Five]]. His line was destroyed by [[Number One]] ([[No Exit]]) some time before the second Cylon war. In a fit of jealousy, Cavil contaminated the amniotic fluid in which all the Seven copies were maturing and then corrupted the genetic formula. [[Ellen Tigh]] says that Cavil was angry at her for playing favorites.<br />
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According to Ellen, Number Seven was creative, sensitive and an artist.<br />
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*Daniel could be linked to the Biblical Daniel, considered a prophet by Christianity. The name "Daniel" means "judged by God". He was a cultured member of the Jewish nobility and became famous for the interpretation of dreams. The most well-known incident was when he was called from exile to interpret a mysterious handwriting by an angel on King Belshazzar's wall, following a sacriligious feast. He revealed that the days of his kingdom were numbered; indeed, the King was slain that night and a transfer of power occurred. This story, taking into account the mysterious painting on Kara Thrace's wall and her past experiences, could provide a link between the shifting power patterns in the Human-Cylon long-standing power struggle and her special destiny as the harbinger of death, shaping the new order. <br />
*Daniel may be named after (or a reference to) [[Daniel Graystone]], one of the original designers of the 12 Colonies' Cylon Centurions ([[Caprica (series)]]). In his podcast for [[No Exit]], Moore mentions a connection between Daniel and the [[Caprica (series)|Caprica series]].<br />
*''[[w:Daniel_(song)|Daniel]]'' is a song by Elton John and Bernie Taupin. Inspired by events of the Vietnam War, it has one verse that may be relevant in a BSG context:<br />
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::''Daniel my brother you are older than me''<br />
::''Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won't heal''<br />
::''Your eyes have died but you see more than I''<br />
::''Daniel you're a star in the face of the sky''<br />
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*After the episode ''No Exit'' aired, many fans on the official Sci-Fi Channel forum became convinced that Daniel was responsible for many of the mysteries in the show, and was Starbuck's father as well as being responsible for sending the head-people to Baltar and Caprica Six, and so forth. This phenomenon, called the 'Cult of Daniel' by Ronald D. Moore, was unintended and led to the unusual step of Moore saying unequivocally in the podcast for ''[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]'' that Daniel was not Starbuck's father and would not be playing a role in the resolution of the series. Normally Moore does not rule out any fan theories or explanations, but he felt the 'Daniel theory' had gotten out of hand and would lead to many of its proponents being disappointed in the finale. He also apologised if people felt the writers were leading them to incorrect conclusions.<br />
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'''The Colony'''<ref>Jane Espenson referred to this place as "The Colony" in an interview with the Chicago Tribune, and hinted that it is not necessarily a literal colony.</ref> is a large biomechanical structure similar in composition to the [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestars]]. After the [[Cimtar Peace Accord]], the [[Final Five]] and the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] units retreated to this place, a spaceborne Cylon homeworld ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]).<br />
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This structure was "home" to the [[humanoid Cylon|humanoid]] and Centurion Cylons after the war. The eight numbered humanoid models were presumably developed by [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]], and [[Galen Tyrol]] here. Their original [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] equipment is still on the Colony ([[No Exit]]), as is the Final Five's original sublight starship. The structure was built around the original ship ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] podcast).<br />
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The Colony fell into the hands of the [[Number One]]s/Cavils after they [[Boxing|boxed]] the Final Five. Prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]], Cavil kept the Colony secret ([[No Exit]]). Cavil moved the Colony shortly before the start of the civil war, indicating that the structure is FTL-capable ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]). It is positioned in a stable orbit inside the [[w:accretion disc|accretion disc]] of a [[w:naked singularity|naked singularity]]. ([[Daybreak, Part I]])<br />
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The Colony is currently home base for the Ones, [[Number Four|Fours]], [[Number Five|Fives]], and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. [[Hera Agathon]] has been brought to the Colony for experimentation, to determine what makes her a successful human-Cylon hybrid and replicate it ([[Daybreak, Part I]]). There are both original-model [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s, mechanical fighter craft which are intended to piloted, and the newer autonomous Raider models inside the Colony ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]). <br />
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*When Ron D. Moore was questioned why the "Cylon POV episode", "[[Downloaded]]", took place on Cylon-occupied Caprica instead of the Cylon homeworld in an interview with [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3206/2/ Now Playing Magazine] on February 23, 2006, he stated that the series will probably not show that planet any time in the forseeable future, explaining that:<br />
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::"That episode ("Downloaded") will not have that, and we still don’t have any plans to do that...My instinct is kind of not to go there. I feel like I don’t have a great clear vision of it; at this point if we tried to do something there it would look very familiar and not as interesting as it is in your imagination."<br />
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:Moore goes on to say that he felt it was more exciting when left to the imagination, because "It still has to be a place where bipedal creatures can walk around and do things": Presumably, it has to be able to support the humanoid Cylons, who are near-human enough that their home environment would be fairly similar to a human one, and not drastically exotic. <br />
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*In the podcast for ''Islanded in a Stream of Stars'' Moore states that originally the writers had an idea that the Cylons had a homeworld they informally called 'Cylonia' but, for the reasons mentioned above, they decided not to visit it. The notion for the Colony as the Cylon homeworld instead came up during the writing of Season 4.<br />
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Image:Cylon World-Ship (Interior).jpg|Older-model Raiders within the Colony ([[Islanded In A Stream Of Stars]]).<br />
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'''The Colony'''<ref>Jane Espenson referred to this place as "The Colony" in an interview with the Chicago Tribune, and hinted that it is not necessarily a literal colony.</ref> is a large biomechanical structure similar in composition to the [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestars]]. After the [[Cimtar Peace Accord]], the [[Final Five]] and the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] units retreated to this place, a spaceborne Cylon homeworld ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]).<br />
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This structure was "home" to the [[humanoid Cylon|humanoid]] and Centurion Cylons after the war. The eight numbered humanoid models were presumably developed by [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]], and [[Galen Tyrol]] here. Their original [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] equipment is still on the Colony ([[No Exit]]), as is the Final Five's original sublight starship. The structure was built around the original ship ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] podcast).<br />
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The Colony fell into the hands of the [[Number One]]s/Cavils after they [[Boxing|boxed]] the Final Five. Prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]], Cavil kept the Colony secret ([[No Exit]]). Cavil moved the Colony shortly before the start of the civil war, indicating that the structure is FTL-capable ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]). It is positioned in a stable orbit inside the [[w:accretion disc|accretion disc]] of a [[w:naked singularity|naked singularity]]. ([[Daybreak, Part I]])<br />
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The Colony is currently home base for the Ones, [[Number Four|Fours]], [[Number Five|Fives]], and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. [[Hera Agathon]] has been brought to the Colony for experimentation, to determine what makes her a successful human-Cylon hybrid and replicate it ([[Daybreak, Part I]]). There are both original-model [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]]s, mechanical fighter craft which are intended to piloted, and the newer autonomous Raider models inside the Colony ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]). <br />
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*When Ron D. Moore was questioned why the "Cylon POV episode", "[[Downloaded]]", took place on Cylon-occupied Caprica instead of the Cylon homeworld in an interview with [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3206/2/ Now Playing Magazine] on February 23, 2006, he stated that the series will probably not show that planet any time in the forseeable future, explaining that:<br />
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::"That episode ("Downloaded") will not have that, and we still don’t have any plans to do that...My instinct is kind of not to go there. I feel like I don’t have a great clear vision of it; at this point if we tried to do something there it would look very familiar and not as interesting as it is in your imagination."<br />
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:Moore goes on to say that he felt it was more exciting when left to the imagination, because "It still has to be a place where bipedal creatures can walk around and do things": Presumably, it has to be able to support the humanoid Cylons, who are near-human enough that their home environment would be fairly similar to a human one, and not drastically exotic. <br />
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*In the podcast for ''Islanded in a Stream of Stars'' Moore states that originally the writers had an idea that the Cylons had a homeworld they informally called 'Cylonia' but, for the reasons mentioned above, they decided not to revisit it. The notion for the Colony as the Cylon homeworld instead came up during the writing of Season 4.<br />
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== Related Imagery ==<br />
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Image:Cylon World-Ship (Interior).jpg|Older-model Raiders within the Colony ([[Islanded In A Stream Of Stars]]).<br />
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Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islanded_in_a_Stream_of_Stars/Archive_1&diff=168038Talk:Islanded in a Stream of Stars/Archive 12008-09-20T12:18:43Z<p>Werthead: /* Title */</p>
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''Islanded in a Stream of Stars'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].<br />
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No idea if this is supposed to be 'Islanded' or 'Island' or 'Landed' or 'I Landed'. Definitely a weird title.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Ah, the title comes from a poem by Henry Beston :-) That explains that then.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Someone_to_Watch_Over_Me/Archive_1&diff=167990Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 12008-09-18T19:40:32Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Deadlock/Archive_1&diff=167989Talk:Deadlock/Archive 12008-09-18T19:38:26Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islanded_in_a_Stream_of_Stars/Archive_1&diff=167988Talk:Islanded in a Stream of Stars/Archive 12008-09-18T19:37:18Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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''Islanded in a Stream of Stars'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].<br />
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No idea if this is supposed to be 'Islanded' or 'Island' or 'Landed' or 'I Landed'. Definitely a weird title.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Daybreak,_Part_I/Archive_1&diff=167987Talk:Daybreak, Part I/Archive 12008-09-18T19:35:36Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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''Daybreak, Part 1'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Daybreak,_Part_II/Archive_1&diff=167986Talk:Daybreak, Part II/Archive 12008-09-18T19:34:14Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>== Move ==<br />
Why move this? The way I understand this, this is still episode 20, but it will be lengthened to actually be 3 episodes long. So in a away there are 21/22 episodes even, and not 19. However, [http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html This] says that the season will be 11 hours and not 12, but that doesn't mean that we need to get rid of episode 19 already. Especially given that the finale will probably air in at least 2 parts. So it makes some sense to have separate episodes guides for two airings. By production numbers this would be one episode, but split apart by airdate numbers. Maybe we should wait for some further clarification. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:It could be split up into 3 parts in reruns. I think it would be easier to start with a single article and then split as necessary after it airs. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::If Sci Fi is gonna pull a Miniseries and air this thing in two parts, we should pull a Miniseries too and have [[Miniseries, Night 1|separate]] [[Miniseries, Night 2|articles]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Which we can do after we know where the break point is. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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There's no reason to split the article at this time. We won't know how things will be aired until they're actually aired. All we know for now is that the finale's been extended... that's it. Creating two or three sections based on something we have absolutely very little information on is just... ill-advised. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The proposal wasn't a split, but a merge with 419 I think (the article exists. It just isn't linked to, because it's an empty skeleton). But the result is the same. The way I understand it, 419+420 will be the finale then, with both episodes running 3 hours together (incl. ads I guess). We'll see. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Ah, ok. Sounded like it would be a split, with at least one additional article, seeing as each article would cover an hour. Anyway, we don't have enough information to be certain; it's still really all up in the air, and they have now until doomsday to figure out how to release the thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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''Daybreak, Part 2'' (and ''Part 3'') [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Caprica_(series)/Archive_1&diff=167303Talk:Caprica (series)/Archive 12008-08-29T12:07:30Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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#If this is in the same continuity as the re-imagined series, we won't need a separate namespace for it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:51, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::On the first, it looks it, but, like most people, I'm more inclined to believe things I like.<br />
::I almost posted the second on Quorum, but I decided it was a conclusion we'd all come to anyway. I'm glad I was at least partially right. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:56, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::Actually, thinking it through some more, it might be handy to have a namespace for a new series - particularly for projects like the screencap categorization. I'll have to think on how they should coexist. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:00, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::Just for clarity, you cannot mean an actual namespace like Battlestar Wiki, Podcast, or Sources, since RDM and TOS use the same one. Assuming you mean something like the use of "RDM" as a parenthetical disambiguation term, I disagree. It should never be necessary to disambiguate between RDM and Caprica if they share a continuity. In fact, I think TOS/Caprica name conflicts should be resolved with RDM, as Ronald D. Moore is the creative force behind Caprica, too; it would also avoid a problem if something is mentioned first in Cparica, then in RDM.<br />
::::I think a category would be sufficient for screen capture organization. (It's clearly necessary, anyway.) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:09, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::::Yes, I meant the parenthetical suffix. What we have now is, for example, "Screen Captures (TOS)", "Screen Captures (1980)" and "Screen Captures (RDM)". The reason (1980) and (TOS) are separate is that there are numerous other continuities that branch off of TOS and don't include 1980, a concern that wouldn't be relevant for RDM and "Caprica". However, wouldn't we want a category such as "Screen Captures (Caprica)" that would be distinct from "Screen Captures (RDM)"? That's why a parenthetical designation separate from "RDM" might be useful. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:13, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::::That's the category I meant. Category:CAP should probably just be [[:Category:RDM]], barring a desire to keep track of things mentioned in the re-imagined series only or Caprica only. Category:Episode Guide (CAP) would suffice for episode pages, which would also be in Category:RDM to indicate continuity, not series. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:20, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::::::I think this is horribly confusing. The best thing would be to have separate abbreviations for the current series and the RDM universe as a whole, but I don't exactly feel like going through the entire wiki, moving articles, categories and links. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:23, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
Not only is it real, when I saw the first rumor I immediately took it to the "Talk to Mrs.Ron" thread, and asked. She asked Ron, who within 30 minutes responded that yes, he had already publicly pitched it to ScifiChannel and the news sites weren't making it up and it wasn't a rumor. Talk about fan-base connection! Secondly Peter, we do need a template if only for the episodes: I mean Next Generation and Deep Space Nine are in the same continuity, share several characters and even have crossover episodes, but we still use "TNG" and "DS9" stuff to sort the two out. I mean one day they might have a "Caprica" episode called "Resistance". So we have RDM "Resistance" and CAP "Resistance". It's just a convention to use for episode naming really. I mean when Galactica shows up in "Caprica" it'll be the same ship, and we'll still call it "Galactica (RDM)", yes, but "CAP" would be mostly an episode thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:02, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:I sincerely hope they never give an episode the same name, but I suppose it's possible. I suggest not using " (CAP)" unless that forces it, and, even then, restricting it to that specific usage. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:11, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Well, most series tend to wind up using 3 letter abbreviations after a while. And yeah even TNG had "The Emissary (TNG)" not to be confused with the pilot episode of Deep Space Nine, "The Emissary (DS9)".--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:14, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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For templating and just basic shorthand, we need an abbreviation we'll officially use for this series, just as ''The Next Generation'' is TNG, ''The Original Series'' is TOS, and Ron D. Moore's ''Battlestar Galactica'' is RDM. I think CAP would be good. Any objections?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:12, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:"Caprica" in full looks better and doesn't take much longer to type, while CAP is visually consistant with RDM and TOS. I don't much care one way or the other. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:14, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::I guess so, well just in case anyone wanted it. I'm not staking a big discussion on this, I'm just tossing ideas around. Whatever works out. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:16, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::Oh I just figured this out: both "Caprica" and "Voyager" have 7 letters, but Memory Alpha uses that "VOY" abbreviation all the time. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 02:17, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::So will RDM refer to both the RDM universe and the re-imagined series, while CAP refers just to the new spinoff? That is, suppose a new character named "Rigel" shows up in the "Caprica" series. Is she "Rigel (RDM)", or is she "Rigel (CAP)"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:18, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::::She'll be summarily executed and all memory of her erased. ...That is a problem, though. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:23, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
'''Thought''': There currently exist no pages requiring re-imagined series vs. ''Caprica'' disambiguation. "RDM" is currently used only for things that are part of both continuities.<br />
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'''Proposal''': "TNS" should be used for the things only belonging to the re-imagined series, i.e. Episode Guide (RDM) -> Episode Guide (TNS), Screen Captures (RDM) ->Screen Captures (TNS), and things named the same in both (like hypothetical Rigel and Resistance). "RDM" should be used for the entire continuity that Ronald D. Moore has created.<br />
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This minimizes changes, but it disambiguates what must be. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:30, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:I agree that this is probably the best way out of the problem, but I just want to emphasize how very, very much I don't want to make all these changes. We will need to carefully plan what needs to be moved and what does not, in order to avoid inconsistancies and broken links. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:37, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Well actually I think it can be simpler, and moreover that we didn't want to use "TNS" anymore because it falls back into the "it's a new show, as opposed to the old show" mentality when they're really not comparable. <br><br />
'''Thought''': "RDM" covers...the entire "RDMverse" for lack of a better word.<br><br />
'''Proposal''': We'll actually keep using "RDM" for '''almost everything''', and "RDM" is the catch-all word for the "RDMverse", HOWEVER, in cases such as "The Hand of God" which is an episode titled "RDM"....we'll just keep calling those "RDM" because there's only a few of them and they're really easy to spot. ****"CAP" would really only be used as an episode guide abbreviation, and when *citing episode articles*.<br />
--->For example, really the only time I think we'd really use "CAP" is like this: "The Cylon War began 52 years before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies <nowiki>([[RDM]]: "[[Colonial Day]]"), and was started when a Centurion named B166ER killed his human commander ([[CAP]]: "[[Cylon Revolt!]]"</nowiki>" check out a couple of pages on Memory Alpha, ones that cover alien races that span multiple tv shows like Klingons and such: that's the format they use to cite stuff between episodes, even though they're in the same continuity. But really, we can't use "BSG" because that means "BattlestarGroup", and not "TNS" because we don't want to stress that it is the new series. They're all part of the "RDMverse", while the current show is ''specifically'' "RDM", and events, objects, and persons on "Caprica" will still be put in the "RDM" category, but episodes will have "CAP". ---->'''Unless of course, you guys want to invent the term "RDMverse" for use on the Wiki as an all-encompassing term'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 03:18, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:CA's solution is really the only reasonable thing to do in the long term, even if it is going to be a bit like a root canal. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:31, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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::Well, we've root-canaled before. Just need more laughing gas. Other wikis ''wish'' to have problems like ours. :) I'm in general agreemnent with CA's idea, though it's going to sting. (Oh, I got the B166ER reference, Merv. It wouldn't be an inappropriate way to start the conflict in this show either, come to think of it...) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:40, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::I hope I read this right... RDM to TNS? Can I work on a bot that does this for us? Does it have to be right now also? There is no set timetable yet for this to show. I was alsmost going to recommend {{tl|delete}} very early AM. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:50, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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::Well look I'm not so adamant about it that I'm willing to make some sort of Faustian pact in order to see it done, but I'd ''prefer'' if we didn't use "TNS" because "The New Series" makes it sound like we're trying to set it "as opposed to the Old" when really they're not comparable. I don't know what else we could come up with, but I'm working on it. Though I must say, we have several MONTHS before we get more news on this and we've got time to decide! Yes, Spencerian, other wikis do wish for this kind of spinoff info and discussion! :) Anyone ever read "Stranger in a Strange Land"? Sometimes discussions like this remind me of that thing they mention in passing, that a Martian religious epic poem got made by a nestling that turned into a non-corporeal Old One without realizing it, and thus made a work unlike any other: as a result, the Martians themselves are heavily involved in debating this "art", even HOW to judge it, and are unconcerned with the affairs on Earth in the story; and Heinlein mentions that it will take centuries before they're done discussing this vexing dilemma! :) ***Well yeah, indeed, it is ''more'' applicable than B166ER Spencerian: those bots were just used for grunt work, but according to RDM, the Cylons were used for heavy work like mining ''as well as'' soldiers for wars ''between'' the independent Colonies; like, an army of Cylons fighting for Caprica versus and army of Cylons fighting for Gemenon, stop and ask why they're being forced to kill their fellow Cylons all the time; plus they've already got weapons. Yeah, sort of like the Jaffa in that way, actually (the Goa'uld always fought wars which were essentially just petty rivalries between the Goa'uld System Lords, thousands always dying killing their fellow Jaffa for no real reason). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:01, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::First: Heinlein rules. Excellent reference.<br />
:::Second: When I take a step back, I can see how an outsider might consider some of the discussions/debates of this nature to be silly. Perhaps as silly and arbitrary as Green vs Purple (Green rules!), Black/White vs White/Black (Original Series Star Trek), whether the Chosen realm was [[Memoryalpha:Triannon|created]] in nine days or ten days (which should be obvious to any '''rational''' observer, but the debate raged anyway). However, I'm glad that there are people who care about sweating the details like this, and thoughtful (if sometimes energetic) debate about it is one of the great byproducts of the wiki experience.<br />
:::Lastly, and regarding the abbreviation: I don't really have anything definitive to add, but I do ask that we try to disregard the implementation details at first, and try to come up with the "right" way to do it. When I first saw this, I cringed as I anticipated mass conversion of RDM marks over to a new abbreviation. (I even considered pleading "TOS" citizenship, but I think I'm too young.) However our goal is to be 100% correct in the end, which means not having to explain to a user years from now why the abbreviations are inconsistent. Fortunately, in this case we also likely have considerable lead time, and members with the technical expertise to implement whatever high-level category/abbreviation/etc. decisions that consensus arrives at. As for TNS vs TOS, etc. Even as a heavy editor of the TOS pages, I wasn't offended by a TNS (as I often read TOS as being "The Old... Stuff" anyway). However, technically 1980 is newer than TOS, as is any show in the continuity after this one. TRS? (The Reimagined Series?) Ideally these abbreviations would only be used at intersections in namespaces, but there is also the categories to consider. Would all the new material ALSO fall under RDM (so you have an RDM-wide content area), but then also fall under their own respective categories for their series? Well... there's a lot to consider. But we've got plenty of time, and hopefully we can work smart (as opposed to hard) on this to minimize the grunt work and maximize the accuracy, concision, and organization. Green! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:38, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:I think I misunderstood: I'd prefer to use "RDM" to refer to the current BSG series, not TNS, but for destinguishing screencaps and images and such, yeah TNS is just a technicality yeah. I just don't want to see "The Hand of God (TNS)". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:04, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::How do you feel about Steelviper's "TRS" idea? I rather like it for the increased accuracy. It seems we agree on leaving stuff from the combined continuity marked "RDM" where necessary to disambiguate from TOS or 1980. I just don't think continuing to use "RDM" for episodes and screen captures of the re-imagined series is appropriate, as it uses the same symbol for two related but distinct concepts (which is even worse than using the same symbol for two completely different concepts); it also breaks on characters with the same name, as normally "Foo (RDM)" would be used for a character from ''Caprica'' and, thus, two articles would "rightfully" have the same name. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:06, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:Well first off, "Chosen Realm" and Enterprise as a whole are a poor source of analogy, as it was poor writing. :) --->I'd actually prefer "'''RIS'''" , "Re-Imagined Series" over "TRS" "The Reimagines Series", on account of the fact that visually "TRS" is too similar to "TOS", witha difference of only one letter. New thoughts: I think I'd go with "RIS" for the current series because it is a "Re-Imagining" of TOS Battlestar Galactica's idea about a show centered on Galactica and such, but while "Caprica" is set *IN* the "Re-Imagined Universe", it's not a *DIRECT* "not so much a "remake" as a "Re-Imagining" of the essential concept" thing. ---->Therefore, I think now, I'd want to refer to the universe as a whole as "RDM", and characters places and objects like the planet Caprica, William Adama, and the Battlestar Galactica would be "RDM", but like images and episodes (we might get a name re-used or something else) for the re-imagined version of the series centered on Galactica leadering a rag-tag fleet of survivors would be called "RIS" for Re-Imagined Series, while "Caprica" stuff would be "CAP". So use "RIS" instead of "TRS", but otherwise (if I understand what he said correctly) I think I essentially agree with CA. (Either way, I'd prefer these ideas over "TNS") You guys like that idea?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:27, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:: So basicly everything that is currently ''RDM'' will be changed to ''RIS'' and this new series would be ''CAP''?<br />
:::No. RDM will continue to be used for things which pertain to the RDM continuity/universe. Only those things which need to be disambiguated from CAP within that framework will get the new tag. So, "Boxey (RDM)" will stay "Boxey (RDM)", but "Screen captures (RDM)" will become "Screen captures (TNS)" (or whatever we decide to call it.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:49, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::Right.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:30, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Suffix discusion==<br />
(This probably deserves its own project sooner or later. We'll get around to it.)<br />
*TNS ("The New Series"): Not good. The series isn't going to be "new" in ten years.<br />
*TRS ("The Re-imagined Series"): Adequate, although it doesn't roll off the tongue.<br />
*RIS ("Re-Imagined Series"): I dislike using both the morpheme and the stem for the abbreviation.<br />
*2003 (by analogy with 1980): Confusing, since the series will continue into at least 2007.<br />
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Any other ideas? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:18, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:Well I'm favoring "RIS". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:30, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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::It sounds like [[Wikipedia:Bris|Bris]], which makes me uncomfortable. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:31, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:::To be honest, I don't think "bris" is a word your average joe on the street immediately recognizes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:13, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::Since I assume you're not Jewish, it doesn't surprise me that you don't think that. I am going on the record as saying "RIS" gives me the jibblies. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:08, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:I'm putting my vote in for ''TRS'', and I disagree about it not rolling off the tongue. I think it rolls off the tongue just fine. --[[User:Viannah|Viannah]] 16:29, 12 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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This is not like '''TNS:Article Name''' or is this '''Article (TNS)'''. Even I am aginist serperate namespaces for articles. I suggested another namespace for Archives, because that is reasonable, but not for "Series". I don't know of any Wikis that do this, other than doing (SERIES) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:37, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:Well like I said check out MemoryAlpha they do this all the time to destinguish the various series. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:00, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Here are some of your theories put to the test.<br />
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Voyager says it's an "Article"<br />
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jeri_Taylor says it's an "Article"<br />
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine says it's an "article"<br />
:::*http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Memory_Alpha:User_projects is a "Project" page.<br />
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::Which means they do not do: ''Star_Trek: Voyager Jeri Taylow''<br />
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::Oh.. and TNG goes to '''''Star Trek: The Next Generation'''''. Nothing suggests that they do it this way on MA. Other than when an episode from two diffrerent series has the same name, they do (TNG), (DS9), and so on. Check your sources before you think state a fact. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 20:39, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:::Calm down; he misunderstood you. As discussed above, there is some imprecision with the usage of the word ''namespace'' here. Namespaces are things like "Battlestar Wiki," "Podcast," or "Sources" that prefix a page name. "TNS," "TRS," and "RIS" would be parenthesized after the page name proper.<br />
:::You might note the more civil tone taken in my mention of this above. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:25, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::I am pretty sure he undesrtanded me because I mentioned it above in the other discussion. I have said that "TNS", "TRS" would be in () but he said they use namespaces, which he knows, because he has worked on these himself. There was was much confusing in his long paragraphs I asked twice for clairfication from him, and he never responded. I was pointing out the differences between the Wiki in which he compares to MA a little to much. I don't because it's very retrictied to what they can do since they are on a hosted "community". --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:44, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:I'm consciously abusing the term "namespace" here, mainly because I couldn't think of anything better. "Suffix" will work fine, though. Sorry for any confusion. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:07, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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::Look I think there's confusion on what's meant by "namespace" and to be honest I don't know exactly what that means; I just meant, in in-article citations, that's how we'd abbreviate it: I mean like I said above, it would be "William Adama: William Adama is the commander of Galactica during the fall of the Twelve Colonies <nowiki>([[RIS]]: [[Miniseries]]), and first joined the colonial military when Cylon Centurions destroyed his humble family moisture farm ([[CAP]]: "[[The Die is Cast]]")</nowiki> that's all, I mean I don't know what changing namespace would entail. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 22:25, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::That is display. ''Twelve Colonies ([[RIS]]: [[Miniseries]])'' It's ok to create invaild links if you need to make your point. I do it all the time. But if there was two boxey's bettween CAP and RIS, ''Boxey <nowiki>([[CAP]]: [[Boxey (CAP)|Boxey]])</nowiki>'' to ''Boxey ([[CAP]]: [[Boxey (CAP)|Boxey]])'' --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:34, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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::::I think that unless there was a CAP miniseries as well, that wouldn't be necessary. "William Adama stubbed his toe when he was two ([[SomeCapricaEpisode]]). He would later reflect on this during a cylon attack in "[[SomeGalacticaEpisode]]"." --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:45, 27 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Well that was just to get the ball rolling. Let's get back to figuring out the nuts amd bolts of this when we know more about episodes and casting and such.....one year from now. :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:21, 29 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Spinoff?==<br />
I don't think it's accurate to call this a spinoff in the article. It's not a spinoff because it contains none of the same characters or story. It's a prequel. That is like saying Voyager was a spinoff of Deep Space Nine. They are in the same continuity, but Caprica isn't a spinoff. If it were about the Caprica resistance in the current timeline, then it would be a spinoff. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 09:28, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
:Prequels are technically spinoffs. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:34, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Generally spinoffs keep to the same timeline. You don't normally go backwards in a spinoff do you? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:39, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::"Star Trek: Enterprise" was both a prequel and a spinoff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 11:46, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::Thanks for clarification :) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 11:48, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
:I disagree. I think a spinoff has to take place within the same timeline, not just the same universe. Voyager is not a spinoff of Deep Space Nine. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 12:19, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
::No, and something is in the same "timeline" if it's in the same "universe". Next Generation was a spinoff of "Star Trek" the Original Series, despite being set 75 years later and featuring none of the original characters in recurring roles. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:15, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::I meant the current time, I don't know a better word for that. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 13:23, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::[[wikipedia:Spinoff#Variants_of_spin-offs|Wikipedia says:]] "A new series is started with the same theme and existing in the same universe as the original series, but may not necessarily have the same characters. Examples of this type are the Star Trek, Stargate, Law & Order, and CSI series. These are sometimes called franchises." and "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise are also spinoffs of the original series." Not that wikipedia is necessarily definitive (Oregon is "Idaho's Portugal"), but I thought it might help us refine the definition of "spinoff" that we're using. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:22, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
::::The new mag. even states that the series is not final yet. It just out there. Usually a marketing ploy. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:32, 14 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
:::::In the IGN interview with RDM and Eick, it seemed to me (IMHO) that Eick was downplaying the possibility (We only have the script and that's it). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:37, 20 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== The Graystone Family ==<br />
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Anyone have any theories as to who the Graystones are? The family of the inventor of the Cylons? The family of Lee and Zak's mother Caroline? Both? [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 10:45, 20 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:My initial reation was that the Graystones would be the inventors of the Cylon, definitely. Or perhaps, on the other side of the coin, activists wholly opposed to their creation. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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::Madbrood's guess is correct. According to an interview with Ron Moore on the SciFi.com website, the Greystones are a family where there is a "Microsoft"-like company that loves to make technology, regardless of whether they should. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:::Gods damn, I'm good :D --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:10, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Starting Production? ==<br />
HHR is reporting that production will begin November, and may be shown on NBC.[http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=3488]. Don't know if this is concrete enough to post in article. I always thought the show might play better on another network. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 05:48, 8 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Reality, Meet Fiction. Fiction, Reality. ==<br />
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During my morning coffee I chuckled [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article1695546.ece at this link from a UK newspaper], which is all too relevant to this article. Best quote from a reader:<br />
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<blockquote>"Seriously though given the amount of coding errors I detect and fix as an IT specialist I would be more worried that your toaster will toast and butter you instead of the bread."</blockquote><br />
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-- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:42, 4 May 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])</sup><br />
:I wouldn't mind being "buttered" by [[Number Eight|#8]] :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:47, 4 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Some honey and cinnamon from the belly button of a Six would be fine too. I'll skip any "French toast" jokes. :) -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:28, 4 May 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])</sup><br />
:Link has died. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:00, 8 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
::The article's title is "Human rights for robots? We’re getting carried away" on the London ''Times'' Online site. I found a [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article1695546.ece newer link.] --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:00, 8 May 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Sci Fi taking [[FlashGordonWiki:Flash Gordon (Sci Fi Channel)|Flash Gordon]] over this? ==<br />
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I remember someone commented along YouTube's upload of [[Razor Flashbacks]] that [[Sci Fi Channel|Sci Fi]] took ''Flash Gordon'' over ''Caprica''.. As I'd highly doubt this is true, just to make certain: simply a rumour or a little more? [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 09:55, 17 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Hope? ==<br />
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In the latest TV Guide, there's a snippet on page 28 that claims that Mark Stern (SciFi's executive VP of original programming) said, "I just got a call from NBC-Universal. They want us to take another look at the project." (With reference to Caprica.) So, there may be hope yet (in part, likely, due to the writer's strike. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:24, 15 January 2008 (CST)<br />
: It would be interesting to see if it ever takes off the ground... On the other hand, if it starts prepping during the strike, will RDM and company be involved in it? Or will they just give the show to someone else? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 20:38, 15 January 2008 (CST)<br />
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== New information from E!Online==<br />
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Since we apparently believe this, is it appropriate to add Tamara Adama to the Siblings and Children sections, respectively, of Bill and Joseph's character infoboxes? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:24, 3 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
: That'd work. We just need to make sure to add the proper referencing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spoiler Policy for the new series? ==<br />
So I was just wondering how far are we willing to go with information coming out of the new series before we call it a spoiler? Our spoiler policy doesn't cover new series, as dealing with an upcoming series is a first for the wiki. Personally I think the information we're getting now counts as premise, and is ok to leave without spoiler warnings, but if in the future we get more detailed information than what we have it may be spoilerific.-- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 00:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Good point. I think anything that deals with the plot is a spoiler, but until everything is settled there won't be episode pages. There are a few character pages, but I have no idea how to classify those. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 00:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Past or present tense?==<br />
By the way, since the RDM episodes are written in present tense (regarding information on status as of the last episode), I assume all Caprica info should be written in past tense, even when the show is on air? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 15:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Um, that's tricky, and we have to think of something here, but in general, I'd say no. That's just awkward. They're the same universe, but when reading something about ''Caprica'', I'm reading from that show's POV, which is generally present tense. When including ''Caprica'' information into a TNS article past tense fits though (fixed :) ). Or for people who are dead. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Er, you mean past tense for those latter things, right? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::But having stuff that takes place both in CAP and 50 years later in TNS in present tense, as well as some of what happens at the same time as CAP in past tense would be even more awkward to me. And some articles, like [[William Adama]] and [[Cylons (RDM)]] will have information from both shows which will feature them (more or less) equally. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:09, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, it depends on where the information is put IMO. In an article that's exclusive to ''Caprica'' or an existing TNS article? On [[William Adama]] it would naturally be past tense, but I think that reading a Graystone family article or even [[Joseph Adama]] (once he appears on the show), one would expect present tense. On the other hands, the genesis of the Cylons on [[Cylon History]] may be past tense again (that's where it gets ''really'' complicated). It's not really an issue now, but we'll have at least one episode article for ''Caprica'' and perhaps many more. And those would be present tense of course. As said, it's tricky, because we already said that the want to keep the (RDM) disambiguation for both series. But at the same time, I think there should be a different tense depending on the POV. Maybe use something like the <nowiki>{{TOS}}</nowiki> template to keep them apart when possible? A solution for William Adama specifically, could also be to create a childhood article that contains only ''Caprica'' information. But that doesn't work elsewhere. We'll see. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::By the way, in comparison, Memory Alpha uses past tense both for [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard Jean-Luc Picard] and for [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jonathan_Archer Jonathan Archer] - even information from "current" series is written in past tense there, but episode summaries for all series are in present tense. In my opinion it makes sense for all articles except for episode ones to use past tense - especially once BSG is over. Also, it will be confusing if the [[Joseph Adama]] article has information from Caprica in the present tense and information from TNS about events that happened after Caprica in the past tense. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Memory Alpha's system is very silly. Practically everything is in the past tense, because they use an annoying pseudo-historian approach. For a long time they had stuff like "Humans were a species", but at least that is fixed by now. That really hurt. I really, really prefer that we use present tense - it just reads a lot better - but I see the issue with a larger universe like ST, and as you see the issue crops up with ''Caprica'' now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I happen to agree with Serenity. I also happen to agree that MA's system of doing things verges on the asinine. Here's the short of it, to clarify:<br />
* If an article is ''exclusively'' about ''Caprica'', then it should be written in ''present tense''. Same goes for articles exclusively about the Re-imagined Series.<br />
* If an article spans from ''Caprica'' to the re-imagined series, then:<br />
*# Events occurring ''before'' the [[Miniseries]] (timeline-wise) should be written in the ''past tense''.<br />
*# Events occurring ''during'' and ''after'' the Miniseries (timeline-wise) should be written in the ''present tense''.<br />
I should add that there are a few exceptions to this, such as articles on the history of the Twelve Colonies, etc, but the above works for 95% of the content we have on the wiki. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Are we sure we're not getting ahead of ourselves here? ==<br />
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I've been thinking, considering that all that is being produced is a pilot, is giving the casting sheets full canonical status a little presumptuous? If the series doesn't get taken up, then we might find a lot of the wiki becomes akin to [[Battlestar Galactica: Year Two proposal]] from TOS. Perhaps some qualifying tags can be added to the content. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The pilot has been greenlit and the information from the casting sheet is likely only from the pilot. And even if nothing more than the pilot is produced, it will still have canonical status and the characters will still have articles here. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: I find that we have topped what we can do, including the poral which I never expected to have anything other than the introduction. The things in Cylons portal gotta go. It's just got no place right now there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::As for the Cylon portal, I guess you're right, it's too early to add it there. And if anything on the sheet is from episodes other than the pilot, we'll just note which info is from the pilot and which is/was supposed to be in further episodes after the pilot is aired. And if we consider information from Bradley Thompson and Ronald D. Moore given off-screen as canon then I don't see a reason not to consider Caprica canon even if not all of it eventually gets produced. And since the pilot has been greenlit, this will definitely be more than the Year Two proposal anyway. And the articles on new characters have the spoiler tags which warn that they may differ from the final, aired version. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 23:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not that happy about the inclusion of small details into other articles. The character articles are perfectly fine. The information is valid, but it's largely contained to a few articles. But it shouldn't be spread around freely. A lot can change until the show is aired. For example there is a script from the Miniseries that had all Colonies on one planet. And, for example, a character's home colony can easily be switched. I'm not saying that we should remove it, but further edits to non-Caprica articles should be done carefully. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Concur. Also, if we're to add content to already established articles (Joseph Adama, Tauron, etc) we must note via footnotes that the information is subject to change and is, by no means, final until it is aired. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Added the footnotes to everything I could remember. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Apropos of small info: [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=caprica&p=1#sr Mayrs/Brandstatter] are now looking for even more actors. -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::I am sending my face/picture/resume in. I so want to be that agent. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::Anyone with an account on that site to get more casting info? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 19:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Timeline Discrepency?==<br />
The promo material for the series states that it starts 51 years prior to BSG itself and is set at a time before the Colonies are unified. However, this appears to be impossible: in Colonial Day it says the Colonies were unified 52 years earlier, whilst the mini-series states that the Cylon War ended over 40 years ago and then Razor says the war lasted 12.5 years, putting the start of the war between 52 and 53 years before the mini. Taking that into account, by 51 years before the events of BSG, the Colonies should already be unified and at war with the Cylons (an RDM blog post suggests that the Colonies unified because of the war). I would also assume that the Cylons would need many years (a decade or more, surely?) before the war to be fully developed and mass-produced, and their ships to be built. A more sensible starting time for CAPRICA would be 60+ years prior to BSG. A possibly explanation given on other boards is that the mechanical Cylons already exist, maybe even their war machine, and it is the events of CAPRICA that leads to the creation of more advanced AI and the Cylons gaining sentience. Whilst this wouldn't help the simple fact that they should already be at war, it would minimise the damage. Of course, the promo material also states that Graystone's work results in the creation of the very first Cylons, which would seem to rule that out. Hopefully they'll fix this with a caption or something at the start of the pilot, but at the moment it sounds like a continuity error to even dwarf Hero could be in the running here.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Final_Five/Archive_1&diff=167290Talk:Final Five/Archive 12008-08-29T00:55:55Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>== Promo Image ==<br />
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I took the image into photoshop (I do minor image tweaking at my job), did everything I could to enhance it, just for fun. And I'd like to make a grandiose speculation that the Five look, well, slightly mutilated...or mutated. Botched Cylon experiments, torutred and insane minds!!! I don't know, That one "fellow's" hand reaching to Three looks awefully stumpy...of course it could always be some foreshortening.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 10:57, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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Yup, totally convinced they are mutilated and grotesque, their faces, albiet shrouded are just a little odd and produce strange shadow tones.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 11:17, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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:It is also possible that the show is intentionally masquerading their faces to allow the show to cast anyone in these roles at a later time, rather than fixing the faces of the characters right away. In any case, any interpretations of these promo shots are too speculative to make a valid assessment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:38, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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We should get rid of the main picture - we don't know for sure that they are in fact the Final Five, they may be simply a hallucation on the part of D'eanna when she resurrects/is boxed.<br />
Or perhaps the five temple priests who are not Cylons. Point is, we don't know --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:26, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:Writer's often portray canon information through a character, in this case D'Anna. That is the same vision she always has when she dies, we've already seen a part of the scene on "Hero", and it's what she's been seeing again and again. Her sketches and such are merely her representations of what she saw, this picture is what she actually saw. Anyways, even if you choose to not believe D'Anna, and even if you doubt the only logical explanation, I think David Eick confirmed that it's them she sees on a EW article. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:53, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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== ID ==<br />
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Looking at the high resolution picture, I can identify most of the actors in these robes. Whether they actually are the Final Five Cylons or whether this is just a dream sequence and they grabbed whoever was convenient is not clear. From the left to the right:<br />
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# Aaron Douglas, better known as Chief Tyrol. The stature and facial features are a perfect match.<br />
# Tahmoh Penikett, better known as Helo. This isn't as certain, but the lower face and stature both match.<br />
# Unidentified female<br />
# Unidentified female<br />
# The big, bald Asian pilot who's always in the rec room.<br />
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[[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 21:32, 9 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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No two cylons can have a child which makes Tahmoh Penikett wrong. Don't know about the others, though the "Chief" guy is certainly too short --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:21, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Major kudos if you are correct, cause I cartainly can't see it myself :P -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:27, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br />
::They're just stand-ins, they don't release promo pics at random, and they wouldn't reveal anyone in such a way when having a chance to do it on screen. But as said before, those faces are vague enough to be almost anyone. They might have similarities, but a lot of people in the world can have similar features without looking the same. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:32, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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::The thing of it is, is; we're all going to see what we want in them untill we actually see them. I'm pretty sure I'm not right (above comment) and fairly sure when they did these Promo pics and ambiguous #3 "in the hinterlands of Cylon death land" dreams, that they wouldn't have cast definite actors...it's a pretty significant choice to make of who should play the roles...so, stick some people in robes and shrouds to stand in and any old person will do for the snippets, clips, dream scenes and teaser tastys. we won't know 'till we know--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:42, 12 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Personally I think the show would be smart to not put all of their eggs in one basket on this whole final five thing. At least one of the five should be someone we've never seen, one should be someone who is alive and in the fleet and at least one should be someone who was in the fleet that has been dead for a while. Making all of the five sleepers who are in the fleet or making them all dead characters or all new characters wouldn't be very cool. Making it a balance between the three would be nice. --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 19 January 2007.<br />
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I hate to repeat what's been stated, but I think Philwelch is looking way too hard because I see no one - and I mean ''no one'' familar in that image. Not even a vague similarity. I'm certain they're just stand-ins, but I find it odd that they'd release an image that shows so much, but also expect us not to see a match when the five are revealed. You'd figure they'd put more effort in hiding the faces, just to cover the bases. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:43, 22 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Reason for Locking ==<br />
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I don't want the server to flood or 4k people trying to edit this page. Take your time and finsh everything else first. Unprotect this at Midnight. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:21, 21 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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== Interpretation question ==<br />
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After thinking about this, there are only two individuals that believe that what D'anna/Three has seen is actually images of the final five Cylons: herself, and Baltar. The Colonials scripture know that the Temple of Five was human-built, long before the Cylons existed, and was related to five priests who may have worshiped someone different from the Lords of Kobol. There's plenty of inference (with Kara Thrace, Leoben, [[Dodona Selloi]], and the Threes) that there is a connection between the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon God. My problem is that, while the notion that the final five Cylons has been established, there isn't information ''between'' the characters that verifies that what Three has seen are actual Cylon or human figures.<br />
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For that reason, I am going to rewrite this article with a level of neutrality that does not support only Three's belief since there is Colonial connections that exist. The final five represent five human priestly people (blessed, cursed or otherwise cited) or five Cylons (boxed, or related somehow to the origin of the new Cylon, which, after "Rapture," is not clear-cut. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:31, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
:Well....RDM called them "The Final Five" in his podcast...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 10:03, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
::The podcast doesn't elaborate on their nature, and Ron has twisted the truth before to keep the storyline a mystery until aired. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:06, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Three wasn't the Only One==<br />
I think we should also mention that Number Three wasn't the only Cylon to believe they were the Final Five. The Cavils believed it well enough to try to shoot her and even box her. So I think we should at least mention that they too believed Three was seeing the Final Five, enough to essentially eliminate 1/3 of their known female population. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:00, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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The light that shines down as the Nova goes is real, and D'anna starts bleeding and dies for no other apparent reason. If it's an illusion in her mind, these things don't match.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 21:22, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br />
:It didn't seem like an illusion, but rather a simple isolate hologram, which wouldn't be surprising since that's the kind of tech these things ususally have in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:35, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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::The podcast supports the assumption that Three saw the actual Final Five, although I don't think it's explicitly stated. As for the device in the temple, there's quite a few possible explanations and I doubt we'll ever get a definitive answer about which one is correct. The device could've triggered both Three's death and the visions directly, the device could've triggered Three's death, resulting in a vision just like her previous deaths did or the device could've triggered the visions, resulting in Three's death due to some hypothetical built-in failsafe in Three. Each of those three possibilities also has a number of explanations (for example, if the device caused the visions, it may have been a technological substitute for [[chamalla]], it may have been designed to unlock repressed memories or in may have been programmed with the images of the Final Five at any time in the past 4000 years). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:17, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br />
::: It seems that [[projection]] would be a likely technology behind a vision seen only by here. Why a 4,000 year old temple would be able to do that is nor more a mystery than why it would be able to insert a vision any other way. Further reflection shows this image to possibly be different from the image in the Temple of Athena, which was more holodeck like, and seen by all.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:47, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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==Warning - possibly big spoiler below==<br />
I was watching Final Five photo, when I noticed face similarity to one of main characters face. I made some photo mainpulating, and results is below.<br />
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[http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9007/finalfivespoilerzq0.png] <-- POSSIBLE HEAVY SPOILER<br />
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It gives me around 60-70% sure, that this char is one of Final Five. Yet there are two other things - first - it's possible, that director didn't thought of that, and put this actor there to "fill the gap".<br />
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Second - as I've searched through characteristic of this one, I haven't even found slight connections to Cylon, and it would mess with storyline pretty badly.<br />
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What do you think about that? --[[User:XLII|XLII]] 16:41, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Again, don't take that picture too literally. It did not actually appear in the episode after all, and they chose not to show the faces in detail at the end. We don't know if it was actually shot that way at all and just cut, or if they are just stand-ins for a test shot or something. In any case, since we don't see the five in the episode, we can't draw any conclusions --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:58, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br />
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:Also remember how much Leoben likes mixing truth and lies... "Adama is a Cylon." [[User:Wynler|Wynler]] 11:12, 29 January 2007 (CST)<br />
::XLII your idea was a good one, but there's a flaw in your comparison. As you darken the image of the actor, that face overtakes the face of the Final Five. The jawlines match up, which makes it look like it's the same person, but watch the chin and the upper lip (and the 5 o'clock shadow) in pics 1&2 and 4&5. They're different. --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 19:44, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br />
:::Even if you forget for a moment that the people in the promo picture are just stand-ins Lee Adama is most defintly '''not''' a Cylon anyway we already worked that out. Because he is the son of someone else who is most definitly not a cylon and the Cylons are not copies of already existing people. See [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] and [[Characters eliminated from suspicion]] --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup><br />
::::Not to mention that Lee has his fat makeup on there. Even if the images matched up, it wouldn't be a true likeness of Lee/Jamie Bamber.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:31, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br />
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What if the final five aren't cylons at all, but in fact are part of the priesthood. The whole question "what defines a Cylon" opened by the writers had me thinking... the final five aren't "final" they are the "first" five. They are neither Cylon, nor human and possibly are some related faction to the 13th tribe whom were left behind to fulfull and manipulate things behind the scenes. I do not like the idea of certain main characters being cylons and I believe that this will be the only way to mitigate that unplesant "revelation". I've been pushing hard on the crossroads' talk pages that the final five aren't necessarily cylons and that Tigh certainly is not. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 22:23, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I agree with the idea that they are NOT Cylons but for different reasons. The first problem is the aging/immortality issue since it has been established that the current batch of cylons will live forever (as long as they are not boxed and are in range of a Ressurection Ship or the Cylon Homeworld). My thought is that the main characters who think they are cylons are NOT but rather descendants of the one or more copies of one or more of the models of the Final Five (thus fufulling RDM's promise of "bluring the line between Human and Cylon"). But we will soon see... [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:30, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Agreed, I actually was trying to clarify that. I think the final five are actually priests, five priests who continue the tradition of prophecies. Remember, Tyrol's father was a priest AND his mom was an Oracle. HE found the Eye. And finally, and this bugs me, people seem to ignore or overlook the fact that the Cylon Biers had stepped into the Eye's chamber when it was meant for a HUMAN to. SHE saw the final five and had explained that she had made a mistake and apologized. Now... I assume those five priests are the "final five" so-called cylons. But why am I the only person who gets that the other seven models do not KNOW who or WHAT the final five truly are? --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:02, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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I'd actually go with the idea that they are not the FINAL Five, but the FIRST Five. I think the Enemy Seven are the Children of the Cylon group. They don't know about the first 5 also, they don't know who programmed them.--[[User:James968|James968]] 04:51, 9 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== D'Anna's Apology ==<br />
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Right now this article lists Saul Tigh as being the leading suspect of who D'Anna saw, but I'm not sure if this information should really be included; it's complete speculation on one hand, and on the other... I'm not sure that it really holds merit. Certainly Tigh has endured the most of all the final five at the hands of the Cylon, but D'Anna never really had much involvement with him; on the other hand, she attacked and nearly killed Anders in Downloaded. He would seem to me a more likely suspect of who she saw and felt compelled to apologize to. At the very least, my speculation is no more off bat then the theory that it's Tigh, and that really calls for some change here. [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 03:59, 27 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:I think she's talking to Anders, as they have had a [[Downloaded|face-to-face conflict with eachother before]]. She was pretty abusive to him in that episode, and if she saw that he wasn't Human, but a member of the [[Final Five]], she would probably be pretty apologetic....[[User:Zach dax|Zach dax]] 23:51, 28 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
::So much to apologize for. Tigh's eye (though that seemed a Cavil project). Putting Tyrol's wife on a death list. Beating up Anders. Outside, her centurions are shooting at Anders and Tyrol, and shot and seriously injured Anders' wife. Only Foster brings nothing to mind. However, I don't think it was any of them, and while we can list reasons like the ones I cite, the line "I had no idea" suggests it is somebody bigger. Because she certainly would have had an idea that the F5 were infiltrating the fleet, where else would they be, after all? But no, we can't list who the apology is to quite yet, and since she started a war that killed everybody's families and friends, it's hard to find somebody she could not apologize to.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:18, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:::I think it was pretty obviously Anders, per Zach's comment and my own at [[Talk:Rapture#Deanna Recognition]]. One of the Five's was responsible for Tigh's eye, anyway. Can we word this more definitively now? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::That's one interpretation... Frankly, once the Final Cylon is revealed, we'd probably have a better idea on who she apologized to. However, I do agree with both Peter and Zach based on the available evidence. She did assault and try to kill Anders on Caprica, and would've succeeded had D'Anna not had her head smashed in with a rock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== D'Anna's sketches ==<br />
The two on the right are, in retrospect, clearly Tigh and Anders. I'm not sure about the other ones. The one on the far left is vague enough to be anyone with long hair, or anyone with short hair wearing a hood, and the one in the middle is vague enough to be any woman with a slim face, narrow jawline and straight, shoulder length or longer hair. The one to the near left depicts someone with dark hair and a widow's peak, however no major character other than [[Number Five]] meets those criteria, however they are rough sketches based on blurry memories, so it could be a distorted portrait of Tyrol, Baltar or Roslin. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:12, 28 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I dunno, but SkyOne HD already aired this episode, so if anyone has a higher resolution cap of the sketches then it would greatly help the article I think, if at least visually. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:58, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Ironies and references ==<br />
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The revelation of the identities Fantastic Four (as I like to call them) brought up some interesting ironies. I thought I'd list them here for entertainment purposes, along with other early references to their Cylonness:<br />
* On several occasions throughout the show, [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] plays with the idea of committing suicide. Not only is this considered a mortal sin by the Significant Seven, it also won't solve his problems, as he'll just be resurrected.<br />
* In "[[33]]", Tigh gives [[William Adama|Adama]] his 10 minutes rest, because Adama is more tired. Interestingly, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] also suffered less from the sleep-depriving conditions than anyone else.<br />
* In "[[Litmus]]", [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] is interrogated for conspiracy with a Cylon.<br />
* In the episodes "[[Scattered]]" through "[[The Farm]]", a Cylon has been in command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].<br />
* In "[[Fragged]]", Tyrol leads an attack on five Cylon [[Centurion]]s<br />
* [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] has been [[Caprica Resistance|fighting the Significant Seven]] ever since the [[Fall of the Colonies]].<br />
** When Anders' group ambushes [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], Anders assumes they are Cylons, while he's a Cylon himself.<br />
* In "[[Resistance]]", Tigh accuses Tyrol of being a Cylon. Not only is Tigh right, he is also a Cylon himself.<br />
* After his release, Tyrol talks about how he saw [[Sharon Valerii]] slowly realizing her Cylon identity, not knowing the same will happen to him (although his realization is much faster).<br />
* In "[[Home, Part II]]", Adama orders Tyrol to guard fellow Cylon [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], [[Tom Zarek|Zarek]] and Helo.<br />
* In "[[Final Cut]]", [[Number Three|D'Anna Biers]] tries to implicate Tigh in the [[Gideon]] incident, not knowing he's a Cylon just like her.<br />
* In "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]", Tyrol builds a stealth craft that successfully avoids Cylon DRADIS.<br />
* In "[[The Captain's Hand]]", [[Tory Foster|Tory]] is very closely involved in the plot to hide [[Hera]], who is actively searched for by the Seven and connected to the [[final five]] on some occasions.<br />
* In "[[Downloaded]]", a Three threatens to kill Anders, not knowing he's a Cylon as well.<br />
* In "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", Tyrol is the first to identify [[Cavil]] as a Cylon.<br />
* Tigh, Tyrol and Anders were the three leading figures of the [[New Caprica Resistance]].<br />
** They were also members of [[The Circle]] that [[Collaborators|executed]] collaborators after the Second Exodus.<br />
** Tory also helped the resistance by organizing evacuation exercises disguised as fire drills.<br />
* In "[[Hero]]", Tigh is the one to realize Bulldog was manipulated by the Cylons to kill Adama.<br />
* In "[[Rapture]]", when Three finds the Temple in order to see the final five, two of them (Tyrol and Anders) are just outside (credit to someone else on this Wiki).<br />
* In "[[A Day in the Life]]", Tyrol suffers far less from the explosive decompression than [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] does.<br />
* In "[[Dirty Hands]]", Tory only suffers a minor injury when a [[Raptor]] crashes into ''[[Colonial One]]'' close to her.<br />
* In the same episode, Tyrol points out to [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] that choice sets them apart from the Cylons.<br />
* The irony of ironies occurs in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]": a Cylon (Tigh) orders three fellow Cylons (Anders, Tory and Tyrol) to help defend the ship from attacking Cylons.<br />
:Great list. I noted the temple because this is around the first point that these are deliberate ironies. RDM has admitted he didn't pick who would be the final 5 until during this season, so the ironies prior to the exodus are probably unintentional. (Also, just like rain on your wedding day, not all these are ironies :-) For example, Tyrol's decompression is much more clearly a plain-old clue, it was in his clue list. We don't know if the F5 were picked during [[Collaborators]] but that is also an interesting irony if they were.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 15:00, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I know they're not all ironies (that's why this section is titled "Ironies ''and references''"), and they can't all have been intentional. I just suddenly realized the one in "Resistance" (still one of my favorites in this list), and built the rest of the list around it. It's actually funny to see how many of these ironies/references can be found in the first two seasons. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:58, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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=="What about Ellen?"==<br />
I think the line can be interpreted in ways other than how it was interpreted in this page. I for one thought he was more likely questioning whether she (along with all the other things he mentioned) were real. After all, he had just learned he was a Cylon, which meant something about his life was different. <br />
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This is what I thought anywyas, and it makes a little more sense to me. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:09, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:Yeah, we know that Ellen Tigh wasn't a false memory, but Saul Tigh has no way of knowing which parts of his life are false memories or some programmed delusion. I still think it's more likely that he was revisiting his regrets about her death or considering the possibility that Ellen may be a Cylon. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:43, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Was mostly just documenting the fact that they don't know yet about their being special Cylons, as revealed in the Podcast. I have edited the text to be more a reporting of facts than a speculation of his motives.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:22, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Perfect! Thanks :) .--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:59, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
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::I believe [[Ellen Tigh]] is a [[Cylon]]. While there is evidence she has a sister in [[Valley of Darkness]], she fits being a Cylon and she is a female that can fit the profile. [[Number Three]] may have apoligized for her being killed by Tigh.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 20.19, 2 July 2007<br />
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== Proper Noun or not? ==<br />
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I think we need some kind of standard here. Either it's "Final Five" or "Final five", but not both. Same with "Significant Seven". Personally I could go either way, but I think most people tend to capitalize the numbers. That would be easier then. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:43, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I'd go with Final Five. Shane can probably bot-edit once we've reached consensus on the capitalization. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:02, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
::I agree, since they are sometimes referred only as "The Five" I think the second should be capitalized as well. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:17, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Yup, Final Five. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 23:23, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::For consistency's sake, OK. Same for "Significant Seven" (although that is a production term and not an aired canonical one). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:47, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
:As is stands the article is filled with simply "Five" or "Seven". I think this is very confusing because they can be confused with model numbers. I think they should either have the Final/Significant in front of them at all times, or be changed to lower case. Thoughts? -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 11:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Repercussions Against the Seven ==<br />
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Once the fourth seasons of Galactica begins, I, for one, would be thrilled to see what sort of consequences would befall the Cavil models for their actions against Saul; particularly their torturing him mentally and physically.<br />
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This, of course, would be provided that whatever repressed memories/programming within them, that is Saul and the other three of five remaining, does not altogether supress the personalities we are familiar with.<br />
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And what of Sam regarding the Conoy models' mental torture of Starbuck on New Caprica? Will retribution or amnesty befall Conoy if such a plot or subplot were contemplated by the producers?<br />
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I could only imagine how Cally and Kara would react to discovering their spouses are two of the Final Five. I even wonder moreso how Bill (Admiral Adama) will react toward Saul's true race.<br />
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Granted, those last two paragraphs had little to do with the possible retribution or amnesty toward the known seven at the hands of Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders; but they are still possibilities worth contemplating. <br />
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:Yeah, the Fantastic Four are in an awkward position. My personal prediction is that the Colonials will meet a Final Five fleet, sending a Tigh copy as a liaison (or a Tyrol/Anders/Tori copy for that matter). That Final Five fleet could appear pretty early: it could be the fleet that jumped into the Ionian System at the end of "[[Crossroads, Part II]]", or they could jump in and defend the Colonials. And we almost forgot to mention Starbuck: she'll have some explaining to do as well. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:59, 22 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Further Flipping of the original Battlestar Galactica's Script ==<br />
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Okay, seeing as such changes in the redefined and more immensely popular version of Battlestar Galactica have occurred as (1) gender reversals of the original Boomer, Starbuck, Cain, and -- if I am not mistaken -- Number Six, (2) making Cain superior in rank to the elder Adama, and (3) making the Cylons self-aware AND humanoid right out of the gate. Wouldn't it also be logical to give Earth the possible advantage of not only being as advanced if not moreso than the Twelve Colonies of Kobol AND also made both peaceful and military resolutions to problems the Colonials had to learn the hard way with the Cylons where the creation of self-aware, replicated humanoids or androids of their own are concerned?<br />
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It would be fascinating to hope that Earth, like and yet unlike the Colonies, not only created artificial life, but acknowledged their sentience and right to exist as an equal and independent race either beside or separate from humans; thus being added contributors to the resolution of the Cylon/Colonial conflict as the series meets its eventual end.<br />
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:Based on the episode events, there is some truth in your fiction. Ron uses the Original Series as a template, but has obviously grown away from most of the storylines that appeared there (and seriously "warps" what he does use). There is one premise that does permeate throughout the Re-imagined Series, whether the Cylons or humanity itself harass the Fleet: "We have seen the enemy, and they are us." Some [[Sacred Scrolls|elements of return and origin]] (a serious plotline of the show) have bigger complications, not only with [[Hera Agathon]] or the Five, but the [[The Destiny|mysterious destiny and return of Kara Thrace]] and the prophecies and involvement of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]]. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:00, 29 April 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])</sup><br />
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:There are clues that Earth did not have a peaceful creation of its own AIs. The writings of Pythia who "wrote of the exile and rebirth of the human race" 3,600 years BCH are ambiguous, because they are written in the past tense (implying such an exodus in her past) but also treated as prophecies by the colonials for their future. There is not supposed to be any time travel in this show, but there is definitely a theme of repeated cycles of history. However, RDM refuses to answer questions about what Earth is like, though he has worked it out in his internal notes. All we actually have confirmed about Earth (as opposed to learn from colonial mythology) is that whoever took Starbuck brought her there, that its night sky was displayed in the [[Tomb of Athena]] and that it's real and not too far from the [[Ionian nebula]] on a Galactic scale.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:44, 29 April 2007 (CDT)<br />
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Guys i don't know about you but i would love to see a conflict resolution similar to Issac Asimovs "Foundation". In the first 2<br />
books, 2 major conficts resolve peacefully yet surprisingly amazing!! [[User:Bbm4n|Bbm4n]] 15:46, 5 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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== S3 cliffhanger tag ==<br />
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Is the presence of this tag still justified (now that the Four Revealed section has been added)? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:13, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:It would be cool to just edit it to "events are under scrutiny...". We no longer need to warn people about edit conflicts and such though. But we could also strike it entirely. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:18, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
::From my point of view, the tag used to mean the article was no longer correct and/or needed to be cleaned up in light of the [[Crossroads, Part II]] events. That issue has now been resolved. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:18, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::The tag (which I created) was primarily to stem the crisis of edit-conflicts, fanwanking, and the like, especially given how the revelations made everything we know almost wrong. It can be removed if the article is now up to date. However, we need to ensure that the [[Humanoid Cylon]] article is noted and how the Final Five contrast and compare, specifically noting how "fundamentally different" they are. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:51, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Mevenstar's edit ==<br />
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Moved from the article. Please discuss here:<br />
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: #1 The Jealous God, #2 Cylon God and #3 One Whose Name cannot be spoken all hint toward a RDM incarnation of Iblis, but as no metaphysical being has been shown yet to exist, nor any AI before the cylons introduced, it seems feasible each of these three descriptions may depict more than one Kobol Lord or the cylon god. There are judeo christian montehists that do not believe in speaking the name of their god Jahovah. The Jealous God can be a lucifer or hades like charcter that has set himself up as the Cylon God, The One whose name cannot be spoken can be a kobol lord that has assumed a Johavah like role in exile with the the thirteenth tribe, and the remaining Kobol Lords are in some way connected to the colonials as pantheon similar in form to Mt. Olympus. They may be real or imagined, metaphysical or AI...and all three groups, colonials, 13th tribe and cylons could be in effect worshipping the same being with radically different interpretaions as to the nature of that being, just like muslims, christains and jews.--[[User:Mevenstar|Mevenstar]] 10:27, 5 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Resurrection and multiple copies ==<br />
There's no conclusive evidence supporting multiple copies or resurrection for the Final Five, but there's no conclusive evidence refuting the possibility either. Is there an interview in which it's implied that they cannot resurrect or don't have additional copies? If not, I would prefer a more neutral statement about the lack of evidence either way. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 21:23, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Sometime in season 3([[Escape Velocity]]) is rumored that after the Significant Seven become aware that the Final Five(well, at least four) reside in the fleet, they propose to cease attacking them as it is unknown if these Cylons have the ability to resurrect. If they were to die, no where in the Colonial Fleet or Cylon Fleet can the Five, if even, resurrect... Of course, no one knows for sure. -- [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 22:04, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Thanks for pointing it out, I'll add a cite and tweak the note. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:58, 27 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::Great! :-) -- [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 01:43, 27 July 2007 (CDT)<br />
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:My theory would be that they have the ability to download, but probably there are no spare bodies waiting for them (if there were, it would be very hard for the seven to not know about them). Question is, what happens if there's a res ship in range but no matching spare body? Is the consciousness frozen, effectively boxed, until a body is provided, or is it lost? [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 13:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: We know there's a delay between death and download, as seen in "Downloaded" or the New Caprica arc. Therefore one can assume that there is some sort of storage buffer for memories to reside in (temporary memory, a la RAM) until the consciousness can be saved to a permanent medium (the body/husk). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The 7 Cylons know almost nothing about the F5, in fact they have programming which limits how much they can even think about them. All they know is they don't have any other models in their resurrection facilities (now destroyed) so they would indeed wonder about whether they can resurrect. However, *that actually tells us only about the programmed ignorance of the S7, it does not reveal anything about the F5*. I've been taking to calling them the "original five" as that is a much more correct name, and helps avoid the confusion that comes from taking assumptions from the S7 and applying it to the original five. As to whether there are other copies, well we see animated copies in white robes in the visions. And somebody is out there doing stuff, so there are suggestions of other copies out there, but no proof as yet.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::True. Therefore, based on real-world analogies, it would be logical to assume they can be stored in that buffer indefinitely as long as there is no major power failure aboard the res ship. Maybe they can even be backed up in a process similar to boxing (well, we now know un-boxing is possible, so technically boxing is a kind of backup). On the other hand I think I remember Star Trek teleporter buffers being able to store living beings only for a limited amount of time (which sounds pretty much bull^H^H^H^Hunrealistic if you ask me). So I guess we're stuck with waiting for official version. [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 06:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Possible Cylon ploy ==<br />
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The whole notion of the final five being based on the two sketches may have more weight than the musical programming but a still a far cry from being reliable. I belive the "fantasitc four" or the "quartet" (hey it's music that drives them) were manipulated by some Cylon psychic or psychological tampering. I mean how is it that now the Cylons are able to follow Galactica? And how then does the non-ressurrectable final 5 come perilously close to being killed (Tyrol about 5 times), Anders (who knows how many times), Tigh (Abused and tortured by the other cylons)...<br />
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No I think the Cylons when they captured these at some point had implanted some tracking beacons on them. When Tigh thought the music was coming from the ship he was close, he probably thought there was a tracking device. <br />
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I admit I can't find a good explanation for the sketches. But 2 out of 4 of them are recognizeable. And because she was a CYLON, she was not meant to see the true faces of the final 5, maybe what she saw was a distortion and false information. <br />
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: Sorry, what source do you have for them being 'non-ressurectable?" Or that the other seven know anything about them, other than the boxed #3? We have not seen that in the show, and what we have seen -- placing them in the temple of five and Kobol opera house -- marks them as thousands of years old, so if there is a ploy it is almost surely the other way around.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:02, 9 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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::Yeah, see the previous section, their ability to resurrect is uncertain. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:37, 14 February 2008 (CST)<br />
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:::Well, we do know that FF replacement bodies aren't lying around in a cupboard on the resurrection ships, else D'Anna wouldn't have had to go to all that trouble killing herself over and over. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Centurions ==<br />
We know the Centurions have shot at members of the Final Five (or at least shot in their general direction), but have they ever actually ''hit'' one of the Final Five? In other words, is it possible that they can detect the Final Five, and are intentionally missing them? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
*Until the start of series 3 the ''writers'' hadn't even decided who the FF were, so anything before then is irrelevant. I don't think the FF were ever shot in S3, but that's probably more of a [[w:Character shield|Character Shield]] than anything else. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 11:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::If a Centurion harmed one of the Final Five then I think it would be safe to assume that they can't recognize them. The absence of harm would be ambiguous, but it would leave the possibility of recognition open. Either way, I believe more details should be included. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== When did the writers decide on the final Cylon's identity? ==<br />
IIRC it was at some point during season 2, but I can't find the source for that claim. IMO the timeframe should be mentioned in the notes if we can find a source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe your answer will be found [[Humanoid Cylon speculation#Clues from Official Sources|here]]. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 14:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::My understanding is that they've known who the Fifth is since late Season 1. They had an idea that Tyrol might be one from late Season 2 onwards, hence his weird dream in the Season 2 finale. I'm pretty sure they definitely decided Tyrol was going to be one when they had him discover the Temple of Five on the algae planet. Anders and Tory I think they decided on towards the end of Season 3. According to the recent Comi-Con panel, it was a toss-up between Tigh and Gaeta for the last one, and they didn't fully commit to Tigh until they started shooting the Season 3 finale.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Aaron Douglas spilling the beans ==<br />
Aaron Douglas comes right out in an interview in this month's issue of SFX Magazine (#174) in the UK and explains the backstory of the Penultimate Four in some detail, including their relationship with Earth and the Twelve Colonies. It also shines a light on the history of the 13th Colony and why they left Kobol separately to the others. It's a pretty monumental spoiler, from a viable source (print interviews are valid, right?). Is this worth mentioning in the article? Or should we hold off in case Douglas was incorrect, actively spreading disinformation or his revelations may have been invalidated by later events (the interview took place before the filming of the finale, I believe)?<br />
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{{spoiltext|That the 13th Tribe consisted of a race of artificial lifeforms who would be the ancient Kobolian equivalent of Cylons. Their relationship to the other 12 tribes on Kobol is not made clear. These Cylons left and settled on, "or made," Earth. Several decades ago, they destroyed themselves in a war and the four survivors made their way to the Twelve Colonies to find out more about the Cycle of Time and to investigate the self-destructive streak that humans have, and passed down to their creations. After infiltrating the Colonies, the P4 shut off their Cylon sides, programming them only to wake up if they were brought close to Earth again. It's tempting to add tons of extrapolation to this, but that's the essence of what he says. No mention is made of the Final Cylon, who it is or why they remain anonymous. No mention is made of a relationship between the P4 and the S7 other than that the S7 hold them in awe, although it could be extrapolated that the P4 were involved in the creation of the S7, or at least in the programming of the humanoid models if not the creation of the modern Cylons (or, in this case, the recreation of the original Cylons). There is also no comment on how the P4 just happened to survive the destruction of Earth, or how they ended up either in the Fleet or among the survivors on Caprica. There is also no information given on how the P4 have simultaneously survived for thousands of years - assuming they are the same as the priests who built the Temple of Five - yet Tigh has noticeably aged during his acquaintence with Adama. Douglas' only further comment was that the P4 do not have multiple copies. Interestingly, I heard a spoiler a while back that Tyrol starts receiving memories from a 'prior incarnation' in the last few episodes: perhaps the P4 don't have copies but they can download into new bodies? Maybe they can download into and take over human bodies, explaining why Tyrol and Anders remember their parents?}}<br />
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Anyway, much food for thought there. Just wanted to know if it's a good idea or within the wiki policy to be able to mention this anywhere? --[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Aurora,_Goddess_of_the_Dawn&diff=166466Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn2008-08-04T12:18:48Z<p>Werthead: /* Notes */</p>
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[[image:AuroraFigurine.jpg|thumb|right|A figurine of Aurora.]]<br />
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When [[Kara Thrace]] visits the [[oracle]] [[Brenn]] in [[Dogsville]], she touches a small winged icon of the goddess, which is then given to her by the oracle.<br />
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Thrace later gives the icon to Admiral [[William Adama]] as a figurehead to place on the bow of the [[H.M.S. Glutton o' Punishment|model sailing ship]] he is building ([[Maelstrom]]).<br />
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After Thrace's mysterious return, she is given command of the ''[[Demetrius]]'' to search for Earth and Adama gives her the figurine back. She keeps it on the table in her cabin and plays with it when she is frustrated about the lack of success ("[[Six of One]]", "[[The Ties That Bind]]"). <ref>The figurine can only be seen two short scenes towards the beginning of "[[The Ties That Bind]]" and at the end of "[[Escape Velocity]]". According to the [[Podcast:The Ties That Bind#Act 1|podcast]] for the former episode, the scene where Adama gives her the figurine was cut for time. A scene where she and Gaeta discuss Aurora was also cut.</ref><br />
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According to the book of [[Pythia]], a [[temple]] dedicated to Aurora exists on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Revelations]]).<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
* After the events of the episode, "[[Crossroads, Part II]]", there may be connection between this possible Lord of Kobol and Kara Thrace. For more on this story arc, see the article ''[[The Destiny]]''.<br />
* Aurora's Greek counterpart is [[w:Eos|Eos]].<br />
* More on the curious references to real-world Earth mythology and theology is available in the article ''[[Mythological references]]''.<br />
* The picture depicting the Temple of Aurora on Earth that [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] look at is in the Book of Pythia, close to the map used to depict the [[City of the Gods]] on Kobol.<br />
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[[Category:RDM]]</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Revelations/Archive2&diff=166444Talk:Revelations/Archive22008-08-04T00:34:53Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>A "Lt. Gonzo Pike" is also listed on the [[:Image:GoBetween260607.jpg|casting sheet]] for "[[The Ties That Bind]]" for what it's worth. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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The convention report attributes the forest scenes to episode '''11'''. Since other reports state that they have shut down after episode 13, this like means that they are the same by episode numbers. "Revelations" is episode 10 however! --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 20 November 2007 (CST)<br />
: Here's the thing though... is Katee counting "Razor" as one episode? If so, then that makes "Revelations" episode 11, by her count. Also, about 4.13... it seems that there are only 10 episodes "in the can", as far as I can determine. Also, production numbers can be taken out of order; it's happened before to series such as ''Babylon 5'' and even the original BSG. So, 4.13... Is ''that'' episode 11, or is that part of episode 10, which may be extended? Plus we have two missing episodes that are unaccounted for, 4.07 and 4.09. <br />
: To be honest, it's a bit confusing. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br />
::Right. Counting "Razor" as one episode makes this correct again. That's probably the case. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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== 4.0 finale? ==<br />
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Is this the finale to the first half of the season? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I'd venture a "yes". Not only is the episode #10 out of 20 (excluding "Razor"), but the SciFi Channel doesn't list it either on the site in general or on their schedule. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's the mid-season cliffhanger... Should add that to the notes. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Advance screening ==<br />
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Since the episode apparently has an [http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html advance screening] tomorrow, maybe we should lock the article. I vaguely I recall that a similar screening resulted in the episode summary or analysis to be written. That's not so bad, but we have no way to verify the stuff. Plus, I don't think we should spoil it for everyone just because a handful of people have seen the episode already. It's probably not that likely that there will be massive edits, but taking precautions doesn't hurt. Someone might also read spoilers somewhere else and try to add them here. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I believe you are referring to "Razor". And, well, despite the advanced screening any content from it is still considered a [[BW:SP|spoiler]], since it hasn't made a nation-wide airing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Ah yes, Razor. That was just an internet leak though and we could easily obtain a copy as well. That's not the case with a theater screening. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, if you recall, it was also screened in certain markets about a week before the air date. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Location on earth ==<br />
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To me the location on earth looked a bit like the ruins of Ellis Island with New York City in the backround. Am I way off? --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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It's Brooklyn. [http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/913/bsgbrooklynbridgeyx0.jpg Check it out].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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You are right. I didn't think that was a bridge, just a girder. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 12:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== 5th Cylon ==<br />
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<blockquote>“Is Number Three honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the Fleet? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?”</blockquote><br />
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Perhaps the 5th is already on the Basestar? [[User:Nerull|Nerull]] 13:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Were there any other major characters except Baltar and Roslin? Roslin is pretty much ruled out by the joke Five made. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 13:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Karl Agathon was still on the baseship, but he's human, as far as we know. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, this is weird. Are there any major characters anywhere else? I mean, there are three Cylon models + Boomer in the Cylon fleet but they're not exactly good candidates. Did we leave someone behind somewhere? Surely, the final Cylon isn't dead. It has to be a major character. I guess it has to be one of Helo/Roslin/Baltar. I think that Roslin would be the most likely of those. The 3's question could have been meant in earnest. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm stretching this, but the five are supposed to find the way to earth. Chief, Sam and Tigh find the Viper (this could also make Starbuck a Cylon) and Roslin gives the final go for jump. There is a problem with Tory, she does nothing. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 14:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Tory can't do anything because the call summons her to ''Galactica'', where Starbuck's Viper is. Obviously, she's disconnected from the rest of the Four, so she has the adverse reaction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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What about Hera? D'anna was only "interested" in the four, and that way opened the door for another less important (for now) cylon......<br />
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My thoughts were, D'anna says four are in the fleet. She also freaks out and apologizes to what is presumably the fifth cylon in her vision in a way that suggests it's personal. What if the fifth cylon is someone in the fleet who was killed either by her or the cylons as a group that she then recognized? Any people who were previously killed off by D'anna or the cylons in general that could fill that slot? I wanted to say Ellen Tigh, but Baltar did the test on her and if she'd come up positive he wouldn't be wondering who the fifth is like everyone else. --[[User:Ssiixx|Ssiixx]] 23:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Though this would be an anti climax I assume that the fifth final five is none of the caracters we already now. I think he is located on earth, maybe waiting in some bunker or whatever. He could also be on his own ship, not too far away from the cylons and humans, watching. <br />
Since there is a lot more to explain about the time that passed from the end of the cylon war to their reappearing, I assume that the last cylon is also the link between the twelve human cylon models and the rest of the cylon race. Even if he IS the rest. [[User:Lincore|Lincore]] 02:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:From a narrative perspective, it is improbable that D'Anna was being absurdly literal, excluding a character who happened to be on the basestar at the moment she said "There are four in your fleet." Since her goal was to get the final five to the basestar, it would make little sense for her to ignore one that was already there.<br />
:I think the living human characters are fairly effectively ruled out, but that doesn't necessarily entail an anti-climactic revelation to come. On the contrary, revealing Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, Roslin, or Baltar to be a Cylon is exactly what is expected, and this is a show which is built on defying expectations. What is needed to create a suitable climax for the series as a whole is not simply a revelation of the sort, "____ was a Cylon all along!" Instead, it needs to be a revelation that lays bare the show's mythology, that explains what happened three thousand years ago and why all of this seems to have been manipulated into occurring today. To fulfill that function a non-central character that played a crucial role in the past actually works better.<br />
:Of course, it could all be foilers, and it could just be Roslin.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 19:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Earth - Speculation ==<br />
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Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, according to the hybrid. She is also the only character we know has been to Earth. What if she triggered a series of events that led to the destruction of the 13th tribe? She probably isn't the 5th, but she's something else. I think she's playing the character of Krishna for those of you who've read Bhagavad Gita, but at the same time her connections to the arrow of Apollo make me think she might be Arjuna. In either case, her counterpart would be the 5th.<br />
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What is hard to explain is her viper. How does it explode visibly and then come back in mint condition in the nebula? Vipers don't have FTL either, so everything seems weird.<br />
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* International Space Station and satellites probably wouldn't be affected by nuclear war<br />
* They can't all be dead - there's got to be somebody alive from the 13th tribe.<br />
* New York, sure, but who would waste a nuke on New Jersey? (*grin*)<br />
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--[[User:Smari|Smari]] 14:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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ISS and other spacecraft in low-earth orbit will see their orbits decay within a decade (or even less) due to atmospheric drag without periodic reboosts (the demise of Skylab in 1979 is a perfect example of this). Even satellites in pretty high Earth orbit will fall back to Earth within a few hundred years - assuming that a significantly long time has elapsed since whatever happened on Earth, the only stuff left in orbit will be stuff out at the Clarke (geosynchronous) orbit. <br />
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--[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Perhaps, but not much time has passed in the fleet, yet the plants growing on the ruins suggest the event was a long time ago. However, there was a time discrepancy associated with Kara's previous visit.<br />
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--[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The article states that "[...] the series is set in the future and not the past [...]." This is not necessarily true. That - what was his name again - hybrid in razor said, that this happens "again, again, again...", so I came to the conclusion, that this might as well be our past. Maybe next time, it goes the other way round and people are escaping from earth after it was nuked by cylons or - whatever is next in line - and the human race is looking for an ancient world called... caprica for instance. This would make the Galactica Noah's Ark. Just my two cents... [[User:Lincore|Lincore]] 01:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Locating Earth based on just a bearing ==<br />
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There's a comment made in the main article stating that making a precision jump based solely on a bearing seems unlikely. It doesn't seem to me like this would necessarily be the case. Based on the bearing, Galactica should be able to scan in that direction, looking for solar systems. From there, they could scan for inhabitable planets. Assuming they truly are in our solar system, that narrows it down to one planet. We know that Colonial FTLs are capable of some extremely precise jumps, so jumping into orbit doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.<br />
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The part that seems unlikely to me is that the fleet has been haphazardly stumbling around all this time jumping from point to point, several hundred jumps from the 12 Colonies. Now the Fleet is within jump range of Earth, without even knowing exactly where they were going.<br />
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--[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 16:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think the Fleet jumped from their position to Earth in one jump. Getting to Earth probably took many jumps, which is what Lee meant when he said his course would have to be corrected as they went. The writers just skipped all these intermediate jumps and cut straight ahead to the final one. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 22:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Even given that, it would be more believable to jump somewhere into the solar system rather than directly into orbit on the final jump. That's really just dramatic license. However, as said above, it makes sense that they would use astronomical readings to determine the location of star systems in the direction. But, it wouldn't be the usual generic, faster-than-light sci-fi scans. BSG's stellar navigation is mostly more in line with real astronomy, i.e. using passive readings -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::In watching the episode again, it looks like they very well might be inside the Sol System for their final jump, presumably to save time/fuel instead of slogging their away across the system at sublight. The last establishing shot of the fleet before the final jump shows a yellow star, fairly close. This is presumably our Sun. Plus, I have to say I disagree on the method of stellar navigation. For general in-system navigation and plotting, passive systems would make sense, but for FTL jumps (which have been indicated to be many light-years long), sci-fi faster-than-light scans would almost be necessary. Otherwise they'd be jumping into a region of space based on a scan that is many months or even years old. It would be like mounting an FTL drive on my car, and jumping into the middle of a busy freeway based on a picture I took a couple weeks ago - I could very well jump into the middle of another car, jump into a location that no longer exists, etc. --[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 06:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Better sure, but such magical technology simply doesn't exist. And all serious works of sci-fi deal a bit with the lightspeed information lag. True, BSG makes jumps next to planetary bodies and especially ships way too easy sometimes, but now and then, it's also pointed out how dangerous such jumps are. And that whole thing is the reason behind the term [[Red Line]]. A limit behind which jumps can't be plotted (e.g. stellar movement extrapolated from known data) accurately enough to have a certain margin of error. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::The Universe is a very big and empty place... Using normal tools they indeed see outdated images, the way things were months maybe years before... But the movement of stars and planets can be easily observed and predicted accurately enough to jump in space and not inside a star or planet. Remember, they don't have to jump directly into orbit around Earth, probably not even in the solar system, just close enough to get a closer look and get more accurate coordinates... -- [[User:Evilforce|Evilforce]] 11:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm not just talking about the episode specifically, but the series in general. For planets that surely works. That's what I meant above. But they also jump extremely close to ships without problems. And their movement couldn't be predicted. That part is unrealistic. But never mind; it's pretty pointless to discuss this at such length. We kinda agree anyways :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::About jumping close to ships: I've got a little theory about that which I brought up in some long forgotten thread at Battlestar Forum: distance between ships is preserved through a jump. By this, I mean that the distance between e.g. ''Galactica'' and ''Colonial One'' after the jump will be equal to the one before it, because they made the exact same jump. For the same reason, you should be able to jump close to or even in the middle of the Fleet, provided you jumped away from that same spot. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Is it Earth at all? ==<br />
Is the planet actually Earth? No recognisable land masses are visible from orbit, unlike in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]". The ruins look vaguely like Brooklyn and the Temple of Aurora, but it's inconclusive. The only thing conclusive is the star patterns match. Perhaps this is another pointer along the way. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:The scriptures say the dying leader wasn't supposed to survive to see their new home, although that's making two assumptions - that the dying leader is Roslin and the new home is the planet. --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 23:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::"Inductive reasoning is the death of philosophy". You can never prove anything definitively based on observed evidence, but I'd be willing to bet my house (if I owned one) on that being Earth. Aside from the many, many on-screen things, it would be a huge slap in the face to viewers if this was just [[Terra]] or something. Consider that the writers have set up this exquisite concept that in the near future civilisation is destroyed, only for it to be revealed that this is just some arbitrary planet. (Plus a few spoilers for episodes ahead do say this is Earth). Sometimes a spade is just a desolute, lifeless and radioactive spade. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::The discussion about the lack of recognisable land masses made me realise something - there's no sign of the Moon. I thing the writers have been very clever hiding any definitive traces that this is indeed Earth - there are after all 3 other Sun-like stars nearby to us, and the Fleet may be elsewhere. If we saw a recognisable land form or Luna herself, there would be no doubt - but an interesting door has been left open, I think. [[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 13:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::It's curious, but the destroyed city is clearly New York. And you don't necessarily see the moon even in a wide shot of space. That depends on the direction of the view. Besides, there are only 10 episodes left. There isn't really much point in such an elaborate deception when there are other story and character arcs to tie up. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::Maybe it's clearly NYC to you, but only vaguely to me. But there's also the possibility they added so much cloud to keep the condition of the surface hidden until the revealing moment, and to have enough debris in the atmosphere for consistency with a nuclear winter. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 11:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::We won't resolve this one until the rest of the season. Starbuck made a big deal about the moon, photographed it, oddly called it a "yellow moon" and said that was a key clue from Pythia. We don't yet know why the moon would be yellow, but we can be pretty sure if the moon from Starbuck's photos and Pythia's legend were not there, they would have noticed it. "Uh, hey, where's the giant moon?" It's the yellow part that is interesting.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The possible finale? ==<br />
Back before the season started and during the Writer's Strike, Sackhoff made a comment that the last episode they'd filmed might have acted as a series finale if the strike had gone on long enough that they couldn't return to work. Now, according to the Wiki, it's the next episode that she was referring to, but I was wondering how sure we were of that. There seems to have been a lot of confusion about which episodes production people are talking about. And I feel, after watching Revelations, that it seems like a likely candidate for the episode she was talking about. Thoughts? [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I think we're pretty much certain. Sometimes a Great Notion was the last episode written before the strike and the last episode filmed before the break, and the scenes mentioned [http://roadrunnerdm.livejournal.com/84288.html here] take place after the end of Revelations. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Far fetched Jehovah's Witnesses connection? ==<br />
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To summarize: The Landing party appears to be on a plot of land that is very reminiscent of Brooklyn Heights looking out over to a land mass that has a similar topography of Manhattan Island with a structure to the extreme right that looks vaguely like a wrecked Tower of the Brooklyn Bridge Meanwhile in real life in that same area they appear to be in happens to have the Watchtower Building. The word "Watchtower" is part of the title of a Bob Dylan song in which four Cylons heard in their heads. Is it true for a fact? I don't know, but there is evidence for it and it would be a HUGE coincidence. Oh, I almost forgot: There is also the the fact that a off-shoot branch of the Jehovah's Witnesses has the word "Dawn" in its name and there is supposed to be a Temple called the Temple of Aurora for the The Goddess of Dawn? Hey, it could be all wrong, but at least I have evidence for it. To be clear I am not saying that RDM is bearing direct comparison to the Colonial situation but I think he using the JW as clues of some kind.[[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 08:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I agree that the Watchtower connection could be notable, but the Dawn connection is going too far in my opinion. Thoughts? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Agreed. Also it's just too verbose for not adding much at all. At least it should be cut down. It's a tenuous connection to begin with and there is no reason to extrapolate so much from it. Just noting the fact should be fine. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I agree with the cut down, however I don't agree that it is tenuous. This show is heavy with religion and deliberately so. I am NOT saying that RDM has a specific religious agenda, Jehovah's Witnesses or otherwise, he is a lapsed Catholic who is into the Eastern Asian Faiths, but it is hard to believe that the "Watchtower" building in real life being where the landing party is is a coincidence. It is meant as clue that it is ''really'' New York. I, as a New Yorker born, raised and lived my entire life take it as a HUGE slap-in-the-face-hint. [http://www.beliefnet.com/story/166/story_16650_1.html Anyway, here is a link to an interview on his use of religion in his version of BSG and the Mormon influences of the original.]The Watchtower building, where it is and Bob Dyan's song thing was NO accident or coincidence. And I don't think the Dawn thing between the Greek Goddess and the Jehovah's Witnesses faction is either although I admit there is much less objective evidence for it. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 04:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::It's clearly supposed to be in the same place as New York, but the timeframe of the series has not yet been established. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::My 2 cents is that, unless we see further JW links, this is probably a coincidence. It may be of note to say what currently stands on the bank where the crew are though. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 09:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Like I said earlier, the Watchtower note is not disputed. Regardless of whether it's deliberate, it deserves to be noted on this page. The JW/Aurora connection is much weaker, and I agree with OTW that unless more references to the Jehova's Witnesses pop up, it's too weak to be noted. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::To be clear again, I am not saying there is an actual JW/Cylon connection or RDM having an agenda. I think it is a clue as to where they are in New York if they are in New York. In a show that is heavily religously themed; to have a Bob Dyan Song with the word "Watchtower" in it and then show the Landing Party what could be an area around the East Tower of the Brooklyn Bridge which happens to be in the area where the Religous sect owned Watchtower building is in real life is VERY suspicious to me as a New Yorker, as to show that it is New York City. If it is a coincidence it is a '''''HUGE''''' one, a struck-by-lighting-three-days-in-a-row type of coincidence. 10:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC) <br />
:::::As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I don't see a real connection aside from the name of our buildings; based on what I know of BG's religious inspiration, and comparing them to our beliefs, I think I can safely say that this is a surprisingly coincidence . That said, here is a footnote from our of our publications in regards to the origin of the name:<br><br> The expression "Watch Tower" is no unique to Russell's writings or to Jehovah's Witnesses. George Storrs published a book in the 1850s called <i>The Watch Tower: Or, Man in Death; and the Hope for a Future Life.</i> The name was also incorporated in the title of various religious periodicals. It stems from the idea of keeping on the watch for the outworking of God's purposes - Isa 21:8,11,12; Ezek 3:17; Hab 2:1 - Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, page 48. <br><br> Take that as you will. As for me, I may just stop by here every once in a while and giggle. :D -- [[User:Ibmjones|Ibmjones]]<br />
::Note that if it's the Brooklyn bridge, it is an error because it has metal rods sticking out of it. Leaving aside the fact they should be r usted after so long, the Brooklyn bridge was built before reinforced concrete was used in the USA. The one to the right could be the Manhattan bridge, which was built later.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Who says they are reinforcing rods? The whole thing is black as if it is in shadow. You cannot tell details like that. I doubt from a dramatic point of view that they will use the [[W:Manhattan Bridge|Manhattan Bridge]] Who the hell knows about the Manhattan Bridge except New Yorkers like me who took the "D" and "N" subway trains over it LOL! The Brooklyn Bridge is iconic. Anyway it is undoubtedly a bridge. RDM says so in his podcast of ''Revelations.'' It contains a lot of oblique answers to questions. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 08:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Pardon? ==<br />
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I don't recall any pardon Lee Adama issued, and I couldn't find the word "pardon" in his article or in the episode guides for the episodes in which he was President. Am I missing something?<br />
*It is not mentioned whether or not Lee Adama's pardon means the Final Four Cylons will, or can, remain in the Colonial military in crucial positions.<br />
--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 18:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:He gives them an "amnesty" - "free to go, free to stay". It's right after he announces that he hands all the information over to the Cylon rebels, when they stand around Starbuck's Viper. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Right, now I remember. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 19:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The question of the pardon, and whether it extended to Caprica-Six, is answered here: http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/06/18/battlestar-galactica-interview-mark-verheiden-on-cylon-amnesty-and-finding-earth/?cid=9445 -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Starbuck's expression ==<br />
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I just re-watched the last scene, I'm fairly sure that Kara's smirking, she's the only one in the scene who doesn't seem disappointed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Neither does Tyrol, apparently. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::Tyrol is clearly chuckling to himself; Starbuck to me looks like she has her mouth pursed as part of an overall expression of concern.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: I don't think he was "chuckling" to himself out of humor, but in a cynical "of course it would turn out this way..." attitude. Rueful, just like when he was taken to the launch tube and he looks at Tigh and smiled because he '''knew''' Tigh gave them up. He smiled at Anders in a similar fashion because he knew that Tigh gave them up even then. On Earth Tyrol just had a non committal attitude because he is already cynical as hell probably thinking of the absurdity of the situation. Starbuck had somewhat the same attitude especially with the "harbinger of death" prophecy ringing in her head. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 09:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Goof ==<br />
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In the scene in CIC where Felix gets up to retrieve the pills he knocked over, you can briefly see the shadow of his 'missing' leg and foot (tucked up behind him) cast on the floor just between him and his chair. . . oops! [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 09:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Yep, big oops. Or is it a shadow from his [[Virtual beings|Virtual Leg]]? :P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 10:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Yeah. Gaeta's leg is definitely the final Cylon. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, other than Baltar's Baltar, nobody else has a virtual ''self'', so I think it's more likely that Gaeta has a virtual ''Tigh's'' leg. . . (Actually an eye disguised as a leg. Cylon projection. Wink wink nudge nudge.) :D [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 14:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I believe that's already mentioned on our [[Continuity errors (RDM)#VFX Gaffes|continuity errors page]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::So it is. Hadn't seen it. Here I thought I was being clever. Frak! ;D[[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 13:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Temple of Aurora Mistake==<br />
I see that there's an ongoing mistake with the Temple of Aurora picture. Lee is looking at the picture of the Opera House on Kobol. Starbuck walks over and says it's the Temple of Aurora, but as she does so you can see Lee turning the page over. You catch [http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/Werthead/?action=view&current=AuroraBook.jpg a very brief glimpse of the image he is looking at]: an open square structure inside a much larger chamber. It 100% resembles [http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/Werthead/?action=view&current=AuroaWreckage.jpg the structure] at the end of Revelations. However, I keep seeing that people think the Opera House and the Temple of Aurora are one and the same and it's an error, which it isn't. It's actually slightly mistimed editing.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 00:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aurora,_Goddess_of_the_Dawn/Archive_1&diff=166443Talk:Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn/Archive 12008-08-04T00:33:06Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>A pic of the idol would be nice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:24, 6 March 2007 (CST)<br />
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"# The map depicting the Temple of Aurora that Lee Adama and Kara Thrace look at is the same exact map used to depict the City of the Gods. "<br />
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No it isn't. This is an editing mistake. Lee turns the page over between the shot of the Opera House and Starbuck saying, "The Temple of Aurora?" You then catch [http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/Werthead/?action=view&current=AuroraBook.jpg a glimpse of the picture he's now looking at], which much more closely resembles [http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e4/Werthead/?action=view&current=AuroaWreckage.jpg the structure] seen at the end of Revelations.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 00:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Revelations/Archive2&diff=163221Talk:Revelations/Archive22008-06-14T11:50:02Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>A "Lt. Gonzo Pike" is also listed on the [[:Image:GoBetween260607.jpg|casting sheet]] for "[[The Ties That Bind]]" for what it's worth. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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The convention report attributes the forest scenes to episode '''11'''. Since other reports state that they have shut down after episode 13, this like means that they are the same by episode numbers. "Revelations" is episode 10 however! --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 20 November 2007 (CST)<br />
: Here's the thing though... is Katee counting "Razor" as one episode? If so, then that makes "Revelations" episode 11, by her count. Also, about 4.13... it seems that there are only 10 episodes "in the can", as far as I can determine. Also, production numbers can be taken out of order; it's happened before to series such as ''Babylon 5'' and even the original BSG. So, 4.13... Is ''that'' episode 11, or is that part of episode 10, which may be extended? Plus we have two missing episodes that are unaccounted for, 4.07 and 4.09. <br />
: To be honest, it's a bit confusing. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 09:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br />
::Right. Counting "Razor" as one episode makes this correct again. That's probably the case. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br />
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== 4.0 finale? ==<br />
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Is this the finale to the first half of the season? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:I'd venture a "yes". Not only is the episode #10 out of 20 (excluding "Razor"), but the SciFi Channel doesn't list it either on the site in general or on their schedule. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:It's the mid-season cliffhanger... Should add that to the notes. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Advance screening ==<br />
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Since the episode apparently has an [http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html advance screening] tomorrow, maybe we should lock the article. I vaguely I recall that a similar screening resulted in the episode summary or analysis to be written. That's not so bad, but we have no way to verify the stuff. Plus, I don't think we should spoil it for everyone just because a handful of people have seen the episode already. It's probably not that likely that there will be massive edits, but taking precautions doesn't hurt. Someone might also read spoilers somewhere else and try to add them here. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I believe you are referring to "Razor". And, well, despite the advanced screening any content from it is still considered a [[BW:SP|spoiler]], since it hasn't made a nation-wide airing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Ah yes, Razor. That was just an internet leak though and we could easily obtain a copy as well. That's not the case with a theater screening. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, if you recall, it was also screened in certain markets about a week before the air date. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Location on earth ==<br />
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To me the location on earth looked a bit like the ruins of Ellis Island with New York City in the backround. Am I way off? --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br />
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It's Brooklyn. [http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/913/bsgbrooklynbridgeyx0.jpg Check it out].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Ties_That_Bind/Archive_1&diff=156424Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 12008-04-19T10:57:36Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== SG1 thing? ==<br />
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Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== Image ==<br />
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May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Orion ==<br />
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:News/Colonial_Fleet_News_Service&diff=149552Battlestar Wiki:News/Colonial Fleet News Service2008-02-11T22:03:24Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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* The [[SciFi Channel]] has ordered two ''Battlestar'' specials to precede the airing of "[[He That Believeth In Me]]". These specials, ''[[Battlestar Galactica: Revisited]]'' and ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Phenomenon]]'', are each half an hour in length and will air back-to-back on March 28, 2008, starting at 10/9 P.M. central. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7542|title=The Futon Critic: SCI FI ADDS 'GALACTICA' SPECIALS, MORE IN MARCH|date=23 January 2008|accessdate=24 January 2008|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref><br />
* The January 21-27 2008 issue of ''TV Guide'' magazine indicates that the [[Re-imagined Series]] begins its fourth and final season on '''Friday April 4 at 10 PM ET/9 PM CT''' on the Sci-Fi Channel in the United States.<br />
* Due to the dearth of material caused by the writers' strike, NBC-Universal has asked Sci-Fi to take another look at ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'', which is a fully scripted pilot. <ref>[http://home.satx.rr.com/needhams08/TVGuideScan.jpg TV Guide Article Scan]</ref><br />
* The Futon Critic has named "[[Crossroads, Part II]]" as the [http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080111 second best episode] of the 2007 television season.<br />
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* According to the [[Soundtrack (Season 3)|press release for the third season soundtrack]], the [[Season 4 (2008)|fourth season]] will [[He That Believeth In Me|premiere]] on Friday, January 11, 2008 on the US SciFi Channel. However, a spokesperson for the SciFi Channel issued a denial regarding the date to SyFy Portal's Michael Hinman, stating only that the show will premiere only in "early 2008" and that it was "not in January".<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.syfyportal.com/news424324.html|title=Still No Date Set For BSG Premiere|date=19 October 2007|accessdate=19 October 2007|last=Hinman|first=Michael|format=|language=}}</ref><br />
* The third of seven [[Razor Flashbacks]] is online. United States' residents can play it on SCI FI Pulse by [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163962 clicking here]. And if you've missed the first and second installments, you can view them by [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163960 clicking here] and [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163980 here] respectively.<br />
* A new promo for [[Season 4 (2008)|Season 4]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] has appeared on YouTube. Check it out [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysVxz2_rQg here]. Discuss it [http://battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=1807 here].<br />
* Universal denied rumors of an [[w:HD-DVD|HD-DVD]] version of "[[Razor]]", saying that they have no plans to release the DVD movie out in the format, despite the listing on Amazon.com and other retailers websites.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Universal/TV_on_High-Def/Disc_Announcements/Universal_Says_No_to_Battlestar_Galactica:_Razor_on_HD_DVD/1041|title=High-Def Digest: Universal Says No to 'Battlestar Galactica: Razor' on HD DVD|date=5 October 2007|accessdate=8 October 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref> <br />
* TV critic James Poniewozik names the [http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1651341_1659188_1652057,00.html re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica''] as one of the 100 greatest television shows of all time. Joining this list are cult series such as ''[[w:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]]'', ''[[w:The Twilight Zone|The Twilight Zone]]'' and the original ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]''.<br />
* The episode "[[Exodus, Part II]]" has won an Emmy® award for "Outstanding Special Visual Effects For A Series" and was nominated for "Outstanding Directing For A Drama Series". Together, "[[Occupation]]" and "[[Precipice]]" was nominated for "Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series", but did not receive the award.<br />
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For some reason, I'm really excited about this episode. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:28, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Episode Move ==<br />
[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]], Did you move the "proposed episode" stuff to another article, or just delete it? It should definitely be somewhere here. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 08:25, 14 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
*I deleted it. It's completely, and I mean ''completely'', irrelevant to this episode. It belongs on the page for the original Living Legend episodes, if at all. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Ad Spammers ==<br />
Oh, great. Now it appears that whatever is SPAMing us with ad links got a user name: "Boomer". Although I think it might be possible for a zombie computer to do this, I'm leaning towards the idea that it's an actual person. They must be subjected to live unsedated vivisection. ---Ricimer 25 Aug 2005<br />
: Yeah, this is a real person. But they are likely still controlling another computer to do it. There are a few ways to go about reducing this stuff, but what I really don't get is that some yahoo actually wastes their time spamming a board that has thousands--THOUSANDS--of people who read and edit it deily, eliminating their "work" in seconds. They're wasting their time more than they get on our nerves. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:02, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== New Battlestar Image== <br />
There is a picture of the [[Mercury-class]] Battlestar in the preview after [[Flight of the Phoenix]]. We need a shot of Pegasus here on the page! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:46, 17 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
:I noticed they still don't have the trailer up on the SciFi BSG page. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
::It was put up on SciFi approximately 2-3 days before the episode. Mildly annoying. [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 10:27 EDT, 24 September 2005<br />
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== SciFi's ''"Finale"'' Listing ==<br />
Did you notice Pegasus advertised as the Season Finale of Galactica on SciFi channel last night? Did they split the run of 20 into two seasons? [[User:JohnReese|John Reese]]<br />
*On closer study, it said "Summer Finale." No idea what that means. [[User:JohnReese|John Reese]]<br />
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::How many times must we re-explain this? A normal season for a show on Scifi (Stargate SG-1, Atlantis, etc) has 20 episodes. What they do is they take the first half of these and run them during summer, then run the second half during February-May. ***They've done this for like 4-5 years now. --->What may confuse you is that their ''advertisements'' in commercials refer to it as a "summer season finale". '''That's just a marketing ploy. One Scifi Channel fans are all used to'''. Season 1 only had 13 episodes so they didn't do that then, but it's going to be in this new format forever. ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005<br />
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== Mystery Cylon Ship Speculation ==<br />
Any guesses what the mystery Cylon ship is for? [[User:Danaucpe|Danaucpe]]<br />
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*My guess is that its a Super Basestar--a ship so massive that it can create Basestars from natural resources of rocky planets. Whatever it is, it will take the combined forces of Pegasus and Galactica to take it down. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:10, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
*That is, of course, if they can get past the two [[Cylon_Basestar|Basestars]] & various support craft mentioned in [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]. The only reason that the Basestar went down in [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Kobol's Last Gleaming]] is through sheer cunning (even part of which may be suspect, seeing as [[Valeri, Sharon|Boomer]] is a [[Humano-Cylon]]). [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 10:11 EDT, 24 September 2005<br />
*Well, if we are guessing. I'm going to look at the title of the next episode [[Resurrection Ship]] very literally. The [[Humano-Cylon]]'s have asserted that they can't be killed. When they die, their conciousness is downloaded into a new body, hence a resurrection of sorts. I would therefore speculate that this maybe a specialized vessel that helps facilitate these sorts of rebirths. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 16:40, 29 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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I got a itty bitty pic of it [http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4821/bscap2430lq.jpg here] Looks like an oval-ish shape, can't be too sure.<br />
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== Blackbird FTL Capability ==<br />
Any thoughts as to if the [[Blackbird]] is jump capable? [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] <br />
*That's a good point - it'd have to be if it was going to jump to the location of the Cylon fleet, but we know that normal Vipers aren't jump-capable, and I imagine that a ship equipped with FTL wouldn't be as stealthy or speedy as the Blackbird apparently is...[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:40, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
**I already updated "[[Blackbird]]" to say that it is presumably Jump capable, which makes sense if it's a stealth ship; if it has to be launched from a Battlestar that's not very stealthy because Battlestars are easy to see on DRADIS. It uses different engines which might be capable of limited Jumps. ---Ricimer, 24 Sept, 2005<br />
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: I think that the Blackbird may be Jump-capable, too--but until we see it, we shouldn't note it quite yet as fact. The point that Lee's Raptor was on its way to recon it suggests the Cylon fleet is aways off, and of course, if that fleet were in sublight range, we'd have a battle, so either Kara must have FTL, or has so much speed that she can approach and return on sublight within a reasonable time. Also, I strongly believe that FTL drives and sublight drives are NOT the same. Note Tigh's command in the Mini-Series to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2." Since ''Galactica'' was already running on sublight engines at the time, the FTL drives are another mechanism and may not necessarily be within the same mechanism as the Blackbird's main sublight engines. Since we know that the Raptors DON'T use the same engines as the Blackbird, this gives more weight to the FTL drive being a separate box. Another wait-and-see point. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:04, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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*Also, seeing as we have not physically seen an [[FTL]] Drive, it's hard to say the size of the unit. It would be safe to say that it's proportional to the size of the ship, even in some cases, that multiple ones are used (as in [[Galactica]]'s case). -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 13:24 EDT, 26 September 2005.<br />
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*The [[Blackbird]] <b>is</b> jump capable, as seen in [[Resurrection_Ship,_Part_I|Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 02:54, 7 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Pegasus contingent discussion ==<br />
Wasn't the ''Pegasus'' contingent of Vipers going to go on the mission as well? Maybe the ''Pegasus'' was going to jump in behind the moon and launch Vipers after Apollo and Pegasus-CAG scouted out the system. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 13:39, 26 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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*Possibly, but the episode only gave us the fact that the Raptor was doing "photo recon only". Another possibility is that the Vipers would be stationed at a staging point where the Raptor would jump ahead and back to. This would be especially useful if things got hairy. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 16:57 EDT, 26 September 2005<br />
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== Summaries vs Speculation ==<br />
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We're all anticipating these episodes, of course. It's important to note that rumors, speculation and other unaired hearsay about this episode is not fit for summary entries. The summary is the factual summation of the '''aired content'''. If the episode has yet to air, then it is best to place only the information that could be confirmed from the official Sci-Fi Channel preview (being careful not to intepret it literally since they are always out of context) or official information from [[RDM]] himself. There was an entry of Cain's demise and Adama's rank change in this episode, while we also have similar information in the later ep, [[Resurrection Ship]]. Neither can both be right, so we need to wait until we have verified information, which, if the pattern continues from other eps, only happen when the episode airs. Rumors can be placed here in Talk at any time, but you may want to state your source. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:24, 19 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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* Source of [[Spoiler]] [Cain's demise and Adama's rank change to Admiral] podcast http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 (9-7-2005) Second half of podcast about (1hr 6mins) into podcast.<br />
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* Other podcasts have some interviews with Battlestar cast memebrs i.e (8-10-2005) (9-14-2005) etc<br />
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: Thanks. Who made this podcast? Normally we take just RDM's and David Eick's podcasts and videos as official, so cast member comments may or may not be accurate if RDM and Co. have to adjust schedules, episode airings and stuff. Can you elaborate? If you want to add the stuff I took off back in the meantime, please feel free--I'm not the police or anything; I just want to ensure we keep things to a credible-enough source. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:35, 21 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Philwelch & Ricimer==<br />
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On 20:26, 24 September 2005, Philwelch posted the following to the Analysis section:<br />
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:*''Aside from Cain herself, the crew of the ''Pegasus'' seems exclusively male. No other female crew members are ever shown, and the behavior of the drunken ''Pegasus'' crewmen isn't what we may expect from men who are accustomed to being around women. This may be a contributing factor to the behavior of the ''Pegasus'' 's crew—if they travelled through space as long as they did, believing they were the remainder of humanity, Cain's power over the crew would have been more than merely military in nature—as the only surviving human woman, Cain would hold absolute sexual power over her crew as well. In addition, the lack of women aboard the ''Pegasus'' and the resulting sexual frustration could have led to the overly regimented, authoritarian, and brutal culture the crew developed, culminating in the senseless, repeated gang rape of the Cylon prisoner [[Gina]].''<br />
:*''It is interesting how the portrayal of Cally's killing Galactica-Boomer in "[[Resistance]]" contrasts with the portrayal of the brutalized Gina and the attempted rape of Boomer.''<br />
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On 20:53, 24 September 2005, Ricimer reverted it with the comments:<br />
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:''speculation; yes, there are female Pegasus crewmen seen in halls.'' and ''Cally's retirement f G-Boomer doesn't really contrast with the rape scenes here.''<br />
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Ricimer, I found those contributions to be interesting and valid, and would appreciate it if, in the future, you would amend them with your objections rather than deleting them outright. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:I've added a rebuttal of sorts to the former contribution, as I find it (to be frank) preposterous... although I am wary of seeing an [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is|encyclopedic]] page turn into a debate, it rather bothered me to see it there, so I added [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is_not|another view]]. ~ [[User:Aero|Aero]] 18:48, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::We can always refactor the argument and clean it up. I do consider it notable that aside from the Admiral, there are no female crewmembers on Pegasus with speaking roles in this episode. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:50, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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I picked up most of the idea from the Scifi.com forums, although it had occurred to me. If it was unintentional, then why not throw a woman in the background of the Pegasus CIC, or into the ready room? Why write the Pegasus deck gang as a group of crude gang rapists? Listen to the dialogue in that scene—that's *not* how men usually speak in mixed company, and the fact that they do speak that way in mixed company suggests they've forgotten how to act around women. I also find it amazing how many of us aren't quite as shocked at Boomer getting shot to death as we are at Boomer getting pinned down and almost raped by Lieutenant Thorne. The reason for that is probably that killing a Cylon has some sort of purpose, while raping one is just a sick and twisted way to cause pointless suffering. As for Ricimer, his edit warring and irrational vendetta against me must give some meaning to his life but I've learned to pretty much ignore him. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:Please, no ad hominem attacks either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:10, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::Men don't act that way in mixed company? Must be I've been in college too long.. >_> ~ [[User:Aero|Aero]] 22:44, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::If the other guys at your college boast about what a girl's face looks like when they gang rape her, I suggest you transfer. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:31, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::That's not precisely what I meant... you miss my point, although I guess you do so intentionally. I was alluding to the fact that treating women as sexual objects, even in their presence, is not as unknown in our present culture as we might like to believe. ~ [[User:Aero|Aero]] 00:52, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As I read it, he got you. Or, anyway, I get you both. I think his point was not about sexual objectification, but about dehumanizing and boasting about rape. That's a bit more than just saying, "Oh. Bro. I'd tap ''that''." You know what I mean? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:10, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:The paucity of female crewmen on ''Pegasus'' is interesting, compared to the crew of ''Galactica''. Apart from Admiral Cain herself, only a few female extras can be seen in various scenes, and none have speaking roles in this episode. (The extras in Galactica's ready room, for example, are usually about 50% female; only a couple women are visible in the ready room scenes on ''Pegasus''.) This stands in notable contrast to Ron Moore's egalitarian vision of gender issues in the military, and appears to have been an intentional decision made during production.<br />
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:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Selix]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.<br />
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No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not really what it says, and I think my original point stands—where there's a shortage of women, the natural power of each individual woman within that society is greater. You have to realize that if maybe 1 out of 50 people aboard Pegasus is a woman, and everybody aboard Pegasus lived the months since the holocaust believing they were all that was left of humanity, that's an incredible disparity in numbers. I don't think the sexual power of Cain or anyone else aboard ''Pegasus'' was explicit, but it's a fair guess to say it was there, under the surface. I also think it's a fair guess to say sexual frustration is a contributing factor to the sort of culture that developed aboard ''Pegasus'', particularly the gang rape of Gina. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 14:24, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Cain vs. Civies ==<br />
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I think that the proportion of females among the ''Pegasus'' crew is interesting and all, but I think it's much more interesting that Cain has such a dismissive attitude towards Roslin. Her Deck Chief was (he hints) forceably drafted into service after being rescued from the station just before the ''Pegasus'' lit out. This, paird with Cain's general disregard for Roslin indicate to ''me'' anyway, that she doesn't like civies hanging about. She doesn't want them looking over her shoulder, she doesn't want them asking for parts or asking for defense and the ''certainly'' doesn't want to be held accountable to them. Before she ran across our RTFF, she was Ultimate King for Life of All Humans. I think she doesn't want to give that up. On a more personal note: I hope she gets dragged before a civillian court for some reason and I hope Tom Zarek is on her jury. >;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:40, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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: Spoiler information on the mid-season opener suggests a different fate for Cain, of course. But I'm looking forward to Roslin stepping up to bat in challenging Cain just as Roslin challenged Adama. We know how THAT one went. :) Since Cain's such a person for regs, perhaps Roslin can throw a few of her own since the President ''is'' the Commander-In-Chief (even in the Colonial worlds) and should be able to give an Admiral a direct order--as well as indicating that what Cain is doing is a coup, against regs, and that ''Galactica'' is working on the President's orders. Perhaps Roslin can even order Cain relieved of command. I'm making bets that Roslin resolves this really, really fast, even so much as placing Colonial One in the line of fire to stop both. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:17, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: I think the evidence from Kobol's Last Gleaming suggests that the Colonial President doesn't have those sort of broad powers over the military—Apollo is still guilty of mutiny even though he was acting to protect the President from an illegal coup, for instance. There seems to be a suggested separation of powers between the military and civilian governments. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 14:33, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::: True but conversely you could make the argument for military personnel being subordinate to the president from the mini-series where Roslin sends an order for Adama and the ''Galactica'' to come and assist in rescue operations. Another example would be from the episode [[33]], where Adama is seen actively soliciting Roslin's input regarding the Olympic Carrier, [[You Can't Go Home Again]] where Roslin arrives on ''Galactica'' to unofficially reprimand Adama regarding the reckless nature of his ongoing search for Starbuck. I agree that Roslin and Adama have come to an understanding that military decisions go through him but fleet matters belong to her but if tradition were to hold she is his boss. I suspect that Spencerian is right. Roslin will likely be the only one capable of defusing the situation we saw being Cain and Adama. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 16:34, 29 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Guest stars ==<br />
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I updated the guest stars from the starting credits. The four credits included Forbes, Beckel, Pyper-Ferguson and Spence. I couldn't identify the name of Spence's character, but he is the pilot who brags about having 48 kills. Hope someone has a name for him. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 08:37, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Guest Star Trivia ==<br />
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Trivia note: The Pegasus pilot with the scorecard was played by Sebastian Spence, who starred as Cade Foster on SciFi's First Wave (I was wondering why he looked so familiar). Interestingly, the first Marine to step off Raptor 861 happens to look just like Roger R. Cross, who played Foster's nemeses on First Wave - Joshua and (even more interestingly) ''Cain''. --[[User:Dreampilotomega|Dream Pilot Omega]] 00:03, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Gina killed 800?==<br />
Can someone quote me where in the episode it's stated that Gina killed 800 men? I know this was widely speculated prior to the episode, but this is what I actually heard: 700 Pegasus crewmen died in the initial attack, and Gina killed 7 of Thorne's men. Where does the 800 figure come from? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:06, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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In the extended cut, Cain says that Gina helped a Cylon boarding party gain access to the ship. Apparently they were more successful than on Galactica and might have vented a few compartements into space. Cain also said there were fuel fires on the hangar decks, but that might have been related to the attack with nukes.<br />
In any way that's probably how Gina was uncovered<br />
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: I remember hearing what you heard, Peter. I haven't had the time to go back and check, but I was going to and then bring it up. Just thought I'd mention that. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:26, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: The 800 figure came from rumors regarding the ep. I've revised the numbers to suit the information revealed in this episode. Perhaps more will be revealed in "[[Resurrection Ship]]". -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:07, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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I think the 800 figure refers to Gina revealing to the other Cylons that the Pegasus survived. The Cylons then launched a follow-up attack on the Pegasus. The 7 figure would refer to the men killed capturing Gina. Granted, I only recall the 700-800 figure from Cain's report on the crew who died at Scorpion Shipyards, so perhaps the numbers are wrong -- [[User: mq59|mq59]] 7:17, 31 December 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:There's pretty much no basis for it, unless it was in a cut scene, in which case we won't know for months yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:28, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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==Analysis==<br />
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:*''Apollo's shift to a Raptor pilot seems to have been perceived as a demotion by Starbuck. Yet, the CAG of the ''Pegasus'' was also going on the mission in the Raptor. Is this really a demotion or merely an opportunity for [[Taylor]] to evaluate a new pilot?''<br />
:**''As CAG, it is assumed that Taylor would be a Viper pilot. Is his inclusion in the mission as a Raptor pilot do to the fact that he can only pilot a Raptor or that he feels he can more accurately direct the movements of the Vipers under his command with the advanced sensor gear available on a Raptor?''<br />
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I think this is quite clear. Taylor has essentially ordered Apollo to chauffeur him to the Cylon fleet, a duty easily fulfilled by someone of lower rank. As for Taylor himself, it's natural that he'd want a front-row seat on the recon mission.<br />
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:*''The behavior of the ''Pegasus'' personnel drinking on ''Galactica'' seemed unprofessional and more than a little rough. Are these actual military personnel or civilian personnel who were drafted into service after the Cylon's attack?''<br />
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They say themselves that they haven't had booze since the Cylon attack. They're probably out of practice holding their liquor. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:09, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:I can see your point on this. However, I would state that if Taylor wanted a front row seat for the mission that he would've been just as likely to pilot a Viper. My take on it, and this is just my take, is that either way is speculative at this point. Taylor could've been trying to knock Apollo down a notch as he'd earlier in the same episode called him 'Daddy's boy.' --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 17:36, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:To be totally fair, I'm not sure any of my proposed analysis points were such that they required removal. They may not be the correct interpretation of the episode but I don't recall, any correct me if I'm wrong, anything that was displayed that would pre-empt them as being totally incorrect. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 17:38, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: Before I get to the point: It's hard to determine exactly who said what when you insert your comments inside someone else's, Feldspar. Just so you're aware. Anyway, the point. On the last bit, here, I agree that they were unprofessional and rough, but I would never have come up with the idea of that being because they're civilians ratehr than actual military on my own. There was nothing at all to indicate that and I don't think there's any kind of precedent set that would let us assume that because someone is unprofessional or rough or can't hold their liquor, that they're civilians, rather than military. That seems really out of the blue to me.<br />
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:: As for the first bit, if Cmdr. Adama had planned the recon mission (and, for some reason, not used the Blackbird), He'd prolly have had Apollo and Starbuck watching some no-name Raptor team. Piloting a Raptor is not so much a formal demotion as a standing demotion, I think. Vipers are where the glory is. It's like asking a pilot who flies an F-14 every day to fly an AWACS. They're slower, they're not in the middle of the action and they have no guns. As for the CAG from ''Pegasus'', I think he's either babysitting Apollo in order to keep an eye on him, or else maybe he's normally part of a Raptor crew. We don't know how it works, exactly, but I imagine that the CAG doesn't have to fly a Viper. It's whichever pilot is most senior. However, he seems to be doing ECO duty for Apollo, which is not a pilot's job, so... go figure. Probably more will be revealed on this point in January. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:51, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::Cleaned up my followup, I agree the way I'd put it in there was far from intuitive. My apologies to any confusion this may have caused. My intention was not to pass off any assertions I may have had as someone elses. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 17:58, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be a Nazi, and I appreciate your contributions. I just considered these too obvious to be noteworthy. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:12, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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=="Pegasus": The Director's Cut==<br />
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The Director's Cut version of Pegasus which will be coming out in the Season 2.5 DVD set will be radically different from the current episode. Indeed, after much internal pondering, I came to the conclusion that this presented a situation that is really *unprecedented* in the history of this wiki. An alternate version of an episode, with over 25% more material recut into it. My question is, for this new situation, should we create a ''separate'' page for "Pegasus (Director's Cut)", or should we create a (*large*) new subsection on the existing page? (The more I think about it, the more I think that tacking it onto the current page would make it very cluttered). Thoughts? Talk amongst yourselves. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, awkward. Tentatively suggesting a separate page, restricted to deal with the differences between the two cuts. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 29 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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We could just add the events of the director's cut to the summary and asterisk them to indicate they only occur in the director's cut. (No new section, except for what we have already to indicate that there is a longer director's cut.) After all, the two versions aren't going to contradict, so the director's cut should be treated as the full canon episode anyway. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 18:50, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:Actually, I think that raises a new question for debate; should the Director's Cut of Pegasus be considered a "full [[canonical|canon]] episode"?? In the past, we've always taken deleted scenes with a grain of salt; i.e. later episode ''can'' contradict them, though unless something else presents itself they are often our only source of information for some things that the writers fully intended, but simply lacked the time for. Other times this is not the case. Regardless, a "re-edited" episode changed to ''include'' such scenes has never happened before. Should we consider information in the Director's Cut to be automatically canonical?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 20:47, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:: I think that, because RDM likes what scenes are re-edited into the episode, he'll probably stick to it. I think adding the scenes in (maybe with something akin to the spoiler template, but without the text hidden) is a good idea, but we should also watch for contradictions. --[[User:Day|Day]] 21:07, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:: Isn't Ricimer's suggestion the same way we treat regular episodes? E.g., the number of ships mentioned in the mini-series was canon until Home retconned it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 12:29, 1 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Not exactly. Under the circumstances, anything from an earlier episode contradicted by the Director's Cut wouldn't take precedence. I'm torn on the issue, and my above-stated opinion should not be taken as a vote either way. Maybe a subsection on this page for the Director's Cut would be a better idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:01, 1 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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If the director's cut of Pegasus is being officially released as a BSG episode, it's canon. And there's no need for something as bulky as the spoiler template, just use an asterisk. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:24, 1 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Quality article candidate==<br />
I think this should be the first "quality article" because it's well researched, most debates have been fully developed, it's one of the more informative/pivotal/important pages, and it's one of the most popular. Thoughts? --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:I think it needs some concision badly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:25, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
::Like what? Why not change it now?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:30, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:::Actually, it's not as bad as I thought. CalculatinAvatar cleaned it up nicely. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::: So the template's there... But, uh... the template doesn't exist. What should such a template look like? I'd create it, if I had a remote idea or could unscramble my brains enough to think well after watching the Rose Bowl just now. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::::This page is far from our best. I was just browsing it and noticed many errors. I removed the template for now (it's not functioning right, anyhow) and made some edits that I'm still not satisfied about. I want to review it again--something doesn't strike me right about the page. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:54, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Sharon and Helena ==<br />
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''According to an interview with James Callis (Baltar) in issue #197 of TV Zone, "There’s another cut scene where Cain is interviewing Sharon. She hardly says anything but she’s obviously furious that this Cylon has been treated so well. It sickens her, and that’s when Baltar realizes he’s dealing with a psycho."''<br />
:Did Helena know how Sharon had betrayed the other Cyclons several times, and had saved the lives of the Galacticans several times? (helping Helo escape, rescuing Starbuck from the Farm, helping Roslin's crew on Kobol, resending the Cyclon virus back to the Cyclons, ect ect) <br />
:If she didnt know, do you think knowing this would have improved her view on Sharon? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 09:03, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
::She did read all the ''Galactica'' logs. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:45, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Removed "goof" ==<br />
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I removed the following paragraph originally placed by the Merovingian under the "goofs" heading:<br />
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*After Chief Tyrol and Helo burst in and Lt. Thorne gets killed, the pair are told to put their hands behind their head by Pegasus marines at gunpoint, after which Tyrol and Helo submit and put their hands behind their heads. When the camera cuts between viewpoints after this, Tyrol's hands switch between on and off his head several times.<br />
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Merv appears to believe this is an editing error, but if so it's a remarkably obvious one that would not have gone undetected. My interpretation of the scene is that the Chief does in fact change the position of his hands. The change in hand position is not abrupt, and he can easily have moved his hands from one position to the other while we cut away to different shots in the cell. Merv seems to assume that the Chief would keep his hands behind his head if a Marine with a gun told him to—clearly, Merv does not know Chief Tyrol particularly well. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:01, 31 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
:Well I think A) The Marine would really have shot him B) The edit cuts are just ''too'' quick. There's no way Chief would be moving his hands that fast. Check the DVD's. I'll leave it out if everyone still disagrees. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:30, 31 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Unfortunatly i dont get my DVD's until the 28th august so would appreciate someone else taking a quick look at this scene --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:04, 31 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
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I just reviewed the scene. Tyrol has several seconds to move his hands from behind his head to on his knees between shots, and later when it cuts back to him, he moves his hands WHILE THE CAMERA IS ON HIM. As long as his hands are in plain view the Marine would have no reason to shoot him. It's no editing error. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:53, 1 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Watch the extended cut. It explicitly shows Tyrol moving his hands to his sides or into his lap and back to the head again. In the short version they cut that out.<br />
So yes, it's an editing "error" (though there is enough offscreen time for Tyrol to account for it), but the full version is the definite one<br />
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==Unexplained Plot Point==<br />
Having watched both the standard and extended versions, I'm fuzzy on why Gina was on the Pegasus in the first place. If the Cylons expected all 3 battlestars at Scorpia to have the CNP online and launched a massive nuclear barrage to destroy them, why bother having a Cylon agent on board? With only 12 models available, the Cylons couldn't have put an agent on every battlestar in the fleet in case the attack failed (that's ten of each model in the fleet, radically increasing the chances of detection). Maybe they knew Pegasus would have its systems offline and they wanted to capture the ship to get their hands on a state-of-the-art human ship (since we know the Pegasus is much tougher than a basestar)? So they set up Gina on the Pegasus, waited unti it was powering down, then nuked the other two battlestars and then tried to storm the ship. However, the timing went wrong, Gina may have been exposed as a Cylon agent too early, and Pegasus was able to power up and get out of the firing line, although it still had to deal with the Centurions boarding the ship. The only problem with this is that the Cylons could have just used the CNP to order any of the other modern battlestars to shut down to be boarded, or even used the CNP to remotely vent their atmospheres into space.<br />
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Is it possible that the two actions were seperate? Gina just had the immense luck to be one of a handful of Cylon agents in the Fleet and just happened to be on Pegasus which escaped. She then set the ship up later to be boarded and taken over? The problem with this is that Caine's statements suggest the two battles happened simultaneously and there is no evidence of the Cylons knowing about Pegasus' existence until it pops up and starts blasting basestars to shreds alongside Galactica. Thoughts? And is this a question worth raising in the ep?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 20:09, 26 November 2006 (CST)</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pegasus_(episode)/Archive_1&diff=93012Talk:Pegasus (episode)/Archive 12006-11-27T02:07:45Z<p>Werthead: </p>
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<div>== General Comments ==<br />
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For some reason, I'm really excited about this episode. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:28, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Proposed Episode Move ==<br />
[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]], Did you move the "proposed episode" stuff to another article, or just delete it? It should definitely be somewhere here. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 08:25, 14 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
*I deleted it. It's completely, and I mean ''completely'', irrelevant to this episode. It belongs on the page for the original Living Legend episodes, if at all. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Ad Spammers ==<br />
Oh, great. Now it appears that whatever is SPAMing us with ad links got a user name: "Boomer". Although I think it might be possible for a zombie computer to do this, I'm leaning towards the idea that it's an actual person. They must be subjected to live unsedated vivisection. ---Ricimer 25 Aug 2005<br />
: Yeah, this is a real person. But they are likely still controlling another computer to do it. There are a few ways to go about reducing this stuff, but what I really don't get is that some yahoo actually wastes their time spamming a board that has thousands--THOUSANDS--of people who read and edit it deily, eliminating their "work" in seconds. They're wasting their time more than they get on our nerves. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:02, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== New Battlestar Image== <br />
There is a picture of the [[Mercury-class]] Battlestar in the preview after [[Flight of the Phoenix]]. We need a shot of Pegasus here on the page! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:46, 17 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
:I noticed they still don't have the trailer up on the SciFi BSG page. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
::It was put up on SciFi approximately 2-3 days before the episode. Mildly annoying. [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 10:27 EDT, 24 September 2005<br />
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== SciFi's ''"Finale"'' Listing ==<br />
Did you notice Pegasus advertised as the Season Finale of Galactica on SciFi channel last night? Did they split the run of 20 into two seasons? [[User:JohnReese|John Reese]]<br />
*On closer study, it said "Summer Finale." No idea what that means. [[User:JohnReese|John Reese]]<br />
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::How many times must we re-explain this? A normal season for a show on Scifi (Stargate SG-1, Atlantis, etc) has 20 episodes. What they do is they take the first half of these and run them during summer, then run the second half during February-May. ***They've done this for like 4-5 years now. --->What may confuse you is that their ''advertisements'' in commercials refer to it as a "summer season finale". '''That's just a marketing ploy. One Scifi Channel fans are all used to'''. Season 1 only had 13 episodes so they didn't do that then, but it's going to be in this new format forever. ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005<br />
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== Mystery Cylon Ship Speculation ==<br />
Any guesses what the mystery Cylon ship is for? [[User:Danaucpe|Danaucpe]]<br />
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*My guess is that its a Super Basestar--a ship so massive that it can create Basestars from natural resources of rocky planets. Whatever it is, it will take the combined forces of Pegasus and Galactica to take it down. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:10, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
*That is, of course, if they can get past the two [[Cylon_Basestar|Basestars]] & various support craft mentioned in [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]. The only reason that the Basestar went down in [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Kobol's Last Gleaming]] is through sheer cunning (even part of which may be suspect, seeing as [[Valeri, Sharon|Boomer]] is a [[Humano-Cylon]]). [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 10:11 EDT, 24 September 2005<br />
*Well, if we are guessing. I'm going to look at the title of the next episode [[Resurrection Ship]] very literally. The [[Humano-Cylon]]'s have asserted that they can't be killed. When they die, their conciousness is downloaded into a new body, hence a resurrection of sorts. I would therefore speculate that this maybe a specialized vessel that helps facilitate these sorts of rebirths. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 16:40, 29 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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I got a itty bitty pic of it [http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4821/bscap2430lq.jpg here] Looks like an oval-ish shape, can't be too sure.<br />
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== Blackbird FTL Capability ==<br />
Any thoughts as to if the [[Blackbird]] is jump capable? [[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] <br />
*That's a good point - it'd have to be if it was going to jump to the location of the Cylon fleet, but we know that normal Vipers aren't jump-capable, and I imagine that a ship equipped with FTL wouldn't be as stealthy or speedy as the Blackbird apparently is...[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:40, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
**I already updated "[[Blackbird]]" to say that it is presumably Jump capable, which makes sense if it's a stealth ship; if it has to be launched from a Battlestar that's not very stealthy because Battlestars are easy to see on DRADIS. It uses different engines which might be capable of limited Jumps. ---Ricimer, 24 Sept, 2005<br />
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: I think that the Blackbird may be Jump-capable, too--but until we see it, we shouldn't note it quite yet as fact. The point that Lee's Raptor was on its way to recon it suggests the Cylon fleet is aways off, and of course, if that fleet were in sublight range, we'd have a battle, so either Kara must have FTL, or has so much speed that she can approach and return on sublight within a reasonable time. Also, I strongly believe that FTL drives and sublight drives are NOT the same. Note Tigh's command in the Mini-Series to "spin up FTL drives 1 and 2." Since ''Galactica'' was already running on sublight engines at the time, the FTL drives are another mechanism and may not necessarily be within the same mechanism as the Blackbird's main sublight engines. Since we know that the Raptors DON'T use the same engines as the Blackbird, this gives more weight to the FTL drive being a separate box. Another wait-and-see point. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:04, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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*Also, seeing as we have not physically seen an [[FTL]] Drive, it's hard to say the size of the unit. It would be safe to say that it's proportional to the size of the ship, even in some cases, that multiple ones are used (as in [[Galactica]]'s case). -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 13:24 EDT, 26 September 2005.<br />
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*The [[Blackbird]] <b>is</b> jump capable, as seen in [[Resurrection_Ship,_Part_I|Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 02:54, 7 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Pegasus contingent discussion ==<br />
Wasn't the ''Pegasus'' contingent of Vipers going to go on the mission as well? Maybe the ''Pegasus'' was going to jump in behind the moon and launch Vipers after Apollo and Pegasus-CAG scouted out the system. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 13:39, 26 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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*Possibly, but the episode only gave us the fact that the Raptor was doing "photo recon only". Another possibility is that the Vipers would be stationed at a staging point where the Raptor would jump ahead and back to. This would be especially useful if things got hairy. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 16:57 EDT, 26 September 2005<br />
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== Summaries vs Speculation ==<br />
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We're all anticipating these episodes, of course. It's important to note that rumors, speculation and other unaired hearsay about this episode is not fit for summary entries. The summary is the factual summation of the '''aired content'''. If the episode has yet to air, then it is best to place only the information that could be confirmed from the official Sci-Fi Channel preview (being careful not to intepret it literally since they are always out of context) or official information from [[RDM]] himself. There was an entry of Cain's demise and Adama's rank change in this episode, while we also have similar information in the later ep, [[Resurrection Ship]]. Neither can both be right, so we need to wait until we have verified information, which, if the pattern continues from other eps, only happen when the episode airs. Rumors can be placed here in Talk at any time, but you may want to state your source. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:24, 19 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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* Source of [[Spoiler]] [Cain's demise and Adama's rank change to Admiral] podcast http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 (9-7-2005) Second half of podcast about (1hr 6mins) into podcast.<br />
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* Other podcasts have some interviews with Battlestar cast memebrs i.e (8-10-2005) (9-14-2005) etc<br />
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: Thanks. Who made this podcast? Normally we take just RDM's and David Eick's podcasts and videos as official, so cast member comments may or may not be accurate if RDM and Co. have to adjust schedules, episode airings and stuff. Can you elaborate? If you want to add the stuff I took off back in the meantime, please feel free--I'm not the police or anything; I just want to ensure we keep things to a credible-enough source. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:35, 21 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Philwelch & Ricimer==<br />
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On 20:26, 24 September 2005, Philwelch posted the following to the Analysis section:<br />
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:*''Aside from Cain herself, the crew of the ''Pegasus'' seems exclusively male. No other female crew members are ever shown, and the behavior of the drunken ''Pegasus'' crewmen isn't what we may expect from men who are accustomed to being around women. This may be a contributing factor to the behavior of the ''Pegasus'' 's crew—if they travelled through space as long as they did, believing they were the remainder of humanity, Cain's power over the crew would have been more than merely military in nature—as the only surviving human woman, Cain would hold absolute sexual power over her crew as well. In addition, the lack of women aboard the ''Pegasus'' and the resulting sexual frustration could have led to the overly regimented, authoritarian, and brutal culture the crew developed, culminating in the senseless, repeated gang rape of the Cylon prisoner [[Gina]].''<br />
:*''It is interesting how the portrayal of Cally's killing Galactica-Boomer in "[[Resistance]]" contrasts with the portrayal of the brutalized Gina and the attempted rape of Boomer.''<br />
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On 20:53, 24 September 2005, Ricimer reverted it with the comments:<br />
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:''speculation; yes, there are female Pegasus crewmen seen in halls.'' and ''Cally's retirement f G-Boomer doesn't really contrast with the rape scenes here.''<br />
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Ricimer, I found those contributions to be interesting and valid, and would appreciate it if, in the future, you would amend them with your objections rather than deleting them outright. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:I've added a rebuttal of sorts to the former contribution, as I find it (to be frank) preposterous... although I am wary of seeing an [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is|encyclopedic]] page turn into a debate, it rather bothered me to see it there, so I added [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is_not|another view]]. ~ [[User:Aero|Aero]] 18:48, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::We can always refactor the argument and clean it up. I do consider it notable that aside from the Admiral, there are no female crewmembers on Pegasus with speaking roles in this episode. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:50, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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I picked up most of the idea from the Scifi.com forums, although it had occurred to me. If it was unintentional, then why not throw a woman in the background of the Pegasus CIC, or into the ready room? Why write the Pegasus deck gang as a group of crude gang rapists? Listen to the dialogue in that scene—that's *not* how men usually speak in mixed company, and the fact that they do speak that way in mixed company suggests they've forgotten how to act around women. I also find it amazing how many of us aren't quite as shocked at Boomer getting shot to death as we are at Boomer getting pinned down and almost raped by Lieutenant Thorne. The reason for that is probably that killing a Cylon has some sort of purpose, while raping one is just a sick and twisted way to cause pointless suffering. As for Ricimer, his edit warring and irrational vendetta against me must give some meaning to his life but I've learned to pretty much ignore him. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:Please, no ad hominem attacks either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:10, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::Men don't act that way in mixed company? Must be I've been in college too long.. >_> ~ [[User:Aero|Aero]] 22:44, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::If the other guys at your college boast about what a girl's face looks like when they gang rape her, I suggest you transfer. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:31, 24 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::That's not precisely what I meant... you miss my point, although I guess you do so intentionally. I was alluding to the fact that treating women as sexual objects, even in their presence, is not as unknown in our present culture as we might like to believe. ~ [[User:Aero|Aero]] 00:52, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::: As I read it, he got you. Or, anyway, I get you both. I think his point was not about sexual objectification, but about dehumanizing and boasting about rape. That's a bit more than just saying, "Oh. Bro. I'd tap ''that''." You know what I mean? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:10, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:The paucity of female crewmen on ''Pegasus'' is interesting, compared to the crew of ''Galactica''. Apart from Admiral Cain herself, only a few female extras can be seen in various scenes, and none have speaking roles in this episode. (The extras in Galactica's ready room, for example, are usually about 50% female; only a couple women are visible in the ready room scenes on ''Pegasus''.) This stands in notable contrast to Ron Moore's egalitarian vision of gender issues in the military, and appears to have been an intentional decision made during production.<br />
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:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Selix]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.<br />
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No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:That's not really what it says, and I think my original point stands—where there's a shortage of women, the natural power of each individual woman within that society is greater. You have to realize that if maybe 1 out of 50 people aboard Pegasus is a woman, and everybody aboard Pegasus lived the months since the holocaust believing they were all that was left of humanity, that's an incredible disparity in numbers. I don't think the sexual power of Cain or anyone else aboard ''Pegasus'' was explicit, but it's a fair guess to say it was there, under the surface. I also think it's a fair guess to say sexual frustration is a contributing factor to the sort of culture that developed aboard ''Pegasus'', particularly the gang rape of Gina. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 14:24, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Cain vs. Civies ==<br />
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I think that the proportion of females among the ''Pegasus'' crew is interesting and all, but I think it's much more interesting that Cain has such a dismissive attitude towards Roslin. Her Deck Chief was (he hints) forceably drafted into service after being rescued from the station just before the ''Pegasus'' lit out. This, paird with Cain's general disregard for Roslin indicate to ''me'' anyway, that she doesn't like civies hanging about. She doesn't want them looking over her shoulder, she doesn't want them asking for parts or asking for defense and the ''certainly'' doesn't want to be held accountable to them. Before she ran across our RTFF, she was Ultimate King for Life of All Humans. I think she doesn't want to give that up. On a more personal note: I hope she gets dragged before a civillian court for some reason and I hope Tom Zarek is on her jury. >;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:40, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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: Spoiler information on the mid-season opener suggests a different fate for Cain, of course. But I'm looking forward to Roslin stepping up to bat in challenging Cain just as Roslin challenged Adama. We know how THAT one went. :) Since Cain's such a person for regs, perhaps Roslin can throw a few of her own since the President ''is'' the Commander-In-Chief (even in the Colonial worlds) and should be able to give an Admiral a direct order--as well as indicating that what Cain is doing is a coup, against regs, and that ''Galactica'' is working on the President's orders. Perhaps Roslin can even order Cain relieved of command. I'm making bets that Roslin resolves this really, really fast, even so much as placing Colonial One in the line of fire to stop both. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:17, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: I think the evidence from Kobol's Last Gleaming suggests that the Colonial President doesn't have those sort of broad powers over the military—Apollo is still guilty of mutiny even though he was acting to protect the President from an illegal coup, for instance. There seems to be a suggested separation of powers between the military and civilian governments. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 14:33, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::: True but conversely you could make the argument for military personnel being subordinate to the president from the mini-series where Roslin sends an order for Adama and the ''Galactica'' to come and assist in rescue operations. Another example would be from the episode [[33]], where Adama is seen actively soliciting Roslin's input regarding the Olympic Carrier, [[You Can't Go Home Again]] where Roslin arrives on ''Galactica'' to unofficially reprimand Adama regarding the reckless nature of his ongoing search for Starbuck. I agree that Roslin and Adama have come to an understanding that military decisions go through him but fleet matters belong to her but if tradition were to hold she is his boss. I suspect that Spencerian is right. Roslin will likely be the only one capable of defusing the situation we saw being Cain and Adama. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 16:34, 29 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Guest stars ==<br />
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I updated the guest stars from the starting credits. The four credits included Forbes, Beckel, Pyper-Ferguson and Spence. I couldn't identify the name of Spence's character, but he is the pilot who brags about having 48 kills. Hope someone has a name for him. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 08:37, 25 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Guest Star Trivia ==<br />
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Trivia note: The Pegasus pilot with the scorecard was played by Sebastian Spence, who starred as Cade Foster on SciFi's First Wave (I was wondering why he looked so familiar). Interestingly, the first Marine to step off Raptor 861 happens to look just like Roger R. Cross, who played Foster's nemeses on First Wave - Joshua and (even more interestingly) ''Cain''. --[[User:Dreampilotomega|Dream Pilot Omega]] 00:03, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Gina killed 800?==<br />
Can someone quote me where in the episode it's stated that Gina killed 800 men? I know this was widely speculated prior to the episode, but this is what I actually heard: 700 Pegasus crewmen died in the initial attack, and Gina killed 7 of Thorne's men. Where does the 800 figure come from? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:06, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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In the extended cut, Cain says that Gina helped a Cylon boarding party gain access to the ship. Apparently they were more successful than on Galactica and might have vented a few compartements into space. Cain also said there were fuel fires on the hangar decks, but that might have been related to the attack with nukes.<br />
In any way that's probably how Gina was uncovered<br />
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: I remember hearing what you heard, Peter. I haven't had the time to go back and check, but I was going to and then bring it up. Just thought I'd mention that. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:26, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: The 800 figure came from rumors regarding the ep. I've revised the numbers to suit the information revealed in this episode. Perhaps more will be revealed in "[[Resurrection Ship]]". -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:07, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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I think the 800 figure refers to Gina revealing to the other Cylons that the Pegasus survived. The Cylons then launched a follow-up attack on the Pegasus. The 7 figure would refer to the men killed capturing Gina. Granted, I only recall the 700-800 figure from Cain's report on the crew who died at Scorpion Shipyards, so perhaps the numbers are wrong -- [[User: mq59|mq59]] 7:17, 31 December 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:There's pretty much no basis for it, unless it was in a cut scene, in which case we won't know for months yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:28, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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==Analysis==<br />
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:*''Apollo's shift to a Raptor pilot seems to have been perceived as a demotion by Starbuck. Yet, the CAG of the ''Pegasus'' was also going on the mission in the Raptor. Is this really a demotion or merely an opportunity for [[Taylor]] to evaluate a new pilot?''<br />
:**''As CAG, it is assumed that Taylor would be a Viper pilot. Is his inclusion in the mission as a Raptor pilot do to the fact that he can only pilot a Raptor or that he feels he can more accurately direct the movements of the Vipers under his command with the advanced sensor gear available on a Raptor?''<br />
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I think this is quite clear. Taylor has essentially ordered Apollo to chauffeur him to the Cylon fleet, a duty easily fulfilled by someone of lower rank. As for Taylor himself, it's natural that he'd want a front-row seat on the recon mission.<br />
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:*''The behavior of the ''Pegasus'' personnel drinking on ''Galactica'' seemed unprofessional and more than a little rough. Are these actual military personnel or civilian personnel who were drafted into service after the Cylon's attack?''<br />
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They say themselves that they haven't had booze since the Cylon attack. They're probably out of practice holding their liquor. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:09, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:I can see your point on this. However, I would state that if Taylor wanted a front row seat for the mission that he would've been just as likely to pilot a Viper. My take on it, and this is just my take, is that either way is speculative at this point. Taylor could've been trying to knock Apollo down a notch as he'd earlier in the same episode called him 'Daddy's boy.' --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 17:36, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:To be totally fair, I'm not sure any of my proposed analysis points were such that they required removal. They may not be the correct interpretation of the episode but I don't recall, any correct me if I'm wrong, anything that was displayed that would pre-empt them as being totally incorrect. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 17:38, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: Before I get to the point: It's hard to determine exactly who said what when you insert your comments inside someone else's, Feldspar. Just so you're aware. Anyway, the point. On the last bit, here, I agree that they were unprofessional and rough, but I would never have come up with the idea of that being because they're civilians ratehr than actual military on my own. There was nothing at all to indicate that and I don't think there's any kind of precedent set that would let us assume that because someone is unprofessional or rough or can't hold their liquor, that they're civilians, rather than military. That seems really out of the blue to me.<br />
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:: As for the first bit, if Cmdr. Adama had planned the recon mission (and, for some reason, not used the Blackbird), He'd prolly have had Apollo and Starbuck watching some no-name Raptor team. Piloting a Raptor is not so much a formal demotion as a standing demotion, I think. Vipers are where the glory is. It's like asking a pilot who flies an F-14 every day to fly an AWACS. They're slower, they're not in the middle of the action and they have no guns. As for the CAG from ''Pegasus'', I think he's either babysitting Apollo in order to keep an eye on him, or else maybe he's normally part of a Raptor crew. We don't know how it works, exactly, but I imagine that the CAG doesn't have to fly a Viper. It's whichever pilot is most senior. However, he seems to be doing ECO duty for Apollo, which is not a pilot's job, so... go figure. Probably more will be revealed on this point in January. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:51, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::Cleaned up my followup, I agree the way I'd put it in there was far from intuitive. My apologies to any confusion this may have caused. My intention was not to pass off any assertions I may have had as someone elses. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 17:58, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be a Nazi, and I appreciate your contributions. I just considered these too obvious to be noteworthy. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:12, 27 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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=="Pegasus": The Director's Cut==<br />
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The Director's Cut version of Pegasus which will be coming out in the Season 2.5 DVD set will be radically different from the current episode. Indeed, after much internal pondering, I came to the conclusion that this presented a situation that is really *unprecedented* in the history of this wiki. An alternate version of an episode, with over 25% more material recut into it. My question is, for this new situation, should we create a ''separate'' page for "Pegasus (Director's Cut)", or should we create a (*large*) new subsection on the existing page? (The more I think about it, the more I think that tacking it onto the current page would make it very cluttered). Thoughts? Talk amongst yourselves. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, awkward. Tentatively suggesting a separate page, restricted to deal with the differences between the two cuts. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:44, 29 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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We could just add the events of the director's cut to the summary and asterisk them to indicate they only occur in the director's cut. (No new section, except for what we have already to indicate that there is a longer director's cut.) After all, the two versions aren't going to contradict, so the director's cut should be treated as the full canon episode anyway. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 18:50, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:Actually, I think that raises a new question for debate; should the Director's Cut of Pegasus be considered a "full [[canonical|canon]] episode"?? In the past, we've always taken deleted scenes with a grain of salt; i.e. later episode ''can'' contradict them, though unless something else presents itself they are often our only source of information for some things that the writers fully intended, but simply lacked the time for. Other times this is not the case. Regardless, a "re-edited" episode changed to ''include'' such scenes has never happened before. Should we consider information in the Director's Cut to be automatically canonical?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 20:47, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:: I think that, because RDM likes what scenes are re-edited into the episode, he'll probably stick to it. I think adding the scenes in (maybe with something akin to the spoiler template, but without the text hidden) is a good idea, but we should also watch for contradictions. --[[User:Day|Day]] 21:07, 31 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:: Isn't Ricimer's suggestion the same way we treat regular episodes? E.g., the number of ships mentioned in the mini-series was canon until Home retconned it. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 12:29, 1 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Not exactly. Under the circumstances, anything from an earlier episode contradicted by the Director's Cut wouldn't take precedence. I'm torn on the issue, and my above-stated opinion should not be taken as a vote either way. Maybe a subsection on this page for the Director's Cut would be a better idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:01, 1 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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If the director's cut of Pegasus is being officially released as a BSG episode, it's canon. And there's no need for something as bulky as the spoiler template, just use an asterisk. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:24, 1 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Quality article candidate==<br />
I think this should be the first "quality article" because it's well researched, most debates have been fully developed, it's one of the more informative/pivotal/important pages, and it's one of the most popular. Thoughts? --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:I think it needs some concision badly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:25, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
::Like what? Why not change it now?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:30, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:::Actually, it's not as bad as I thought. CalculatinAvatar cleaned it up nicely. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::: So the template's there... But, uh... the template doesn't exist. What should such a template look like? I'd create it, if I had a remote idea or could unscramble my brains enough to think well after watching the Rose Bowl just now. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:10, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::::This page is far from our best. I was just browsing it and noticed many errors. I removed the template for now (it's not functioning right, anyhow) and made some edits that I'm still not satisfied about. I want to review it again--something doesn't strike me right about the page. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:54, 5 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Sharon and Helena ==<br />
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''According to an interview with James Callis (Baltar) in issue #197 of TV Zone, "There’s another cut scene where Cain is interviewing Sharon. She hardly says anything but she’s obviously furious that this Cylon has been treated so well. It sickens her, and that’s when Baltar realizes he’s dealing with a psycho."''<br />
:Did Helena know how Sharon had betrayed the other Cyclons several times, and had saved the lives of the Galacticans several times? (helping Helo escape, rescuing Starbuck from the Farm, helping Roslin's crew on Kobol, resending the Cyclon virus back to the Cyclons, ect ect) <br />
:If she didnt know, do you think knowing this would have improved her view on Sharon? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 09:03, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
::She did read all the ''Galactica'' logs. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:45, 22 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Removed "goof" ==<br />
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I removed the following paragraph originally placed by the Merovingian under the "goofs" heading:<br />
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*After Chief Tyrol and Helo burst in and Lt. Thorne gets killed, the pair are told to put their hands behind their head by Pegasus marines at gunpoint, after which Tyrol and Helo submit and put their hands behind their heads. When the camera cuts between viewpoints after this, Tyrol's hands switch between on and off his head several times.<br />
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Merv appears to believe this is an editing error, but if so it's a remarkably obvious one that would not have gone undetected. My interpretation of the scene is that the Chief does in fact change the position of his hands. The change in hand position is not abrupt, and he can easily have moved his hands from one position to the other while we cut away to different shots in the cell. Merv seems to assume that the Chief would keep his hands behind his head if a Marine with a gun told him to—clearly, Merv does not know Chief Tyrol particularly well. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:01, 31 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
:Well I think A) The Marine would really have shot him B) The edit cuts are just ''too'' quick. There's no way Chief would be moving his hands that fast. Check the DVD's. I'll leave it out if everyone still disagrees. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:30, 31 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Unfortunatly i dont get my DVD's until the 28th august so would appreciate someone else taking a quick look at this scene --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 04:04, 31 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
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I just reviewed the scene. Tyrol has several seconds to move his hands from behind his head to on his knees between shots, and later when it cuts back to him, he moves his hands WHILE THE CAMERA IS ON HIM. As long as his hands are in plain view the Marine would have no reason to shoot him. It's no editing error. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 02:53, 1 August 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Watch the extended cut. It explicitly shows Tyrol moving his hands to his sides or into his lap and back to the head again. In the short version they cut that out.<br />
So yes, it's an editing "error" (though there is enough offscreen time for Tyrol to account for it), but the full version is the definite one<br />
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==Unexplained Plot Point==<br />
Having watched both the standard and extended versions, I'm fuzzy on why Gina was on the Pegasus in the first place. If the Cylons expected all 3 battlestars at Scorpia to have the CNP online and launched a massive nuclear barrage to destroy them, why bother having a Cylon agent on board? With only 12 models available, the Cylons couldn't have put an agent on every battlestar in the fleet in case the attack failed (that's ten of each model in the fleet, radically increasing the chances of detection). Maybe they knew Pegasus would have its systems offline and they wanted to capture the ship to get their hands on a state-of-the-art human ship (since we know the Pegasus is much tougher than a basestar)? So they set up Gina on the Pegasus, waited unti it was powering down, then nuked the other two battlestars and then tried to storm the ship. However, the timing went wrong, Gina may have been exposed as a Cylon agent too early, and Pegasus was able to power up and get out of the firing line, although it still had to deal with the Centurions boarding the ship. The only problem with this is that the Cylons could have just used the CNP to order any of the other modern battlestars to shut down to be boarded, or even used the CNP to remotely vent their atmospheres into space.<br />
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Is it possible that the two actions were seperate? Gina just had the immense luck to be one of a handful of Cylon agents in the Fleet and just happened to be on Pegasus which escaped. She then set the ship up later to be boarded and taken over? The problem with this is that Caine's statements suggest the two battles happened simultaneously and there is no evidence of the Cylons knowing about Pegasus' existence until it pops up and starts blasting basestars to shreds alongside Galactica. Thoughts? And is this a question worth raising in the ep?</div>Wertheadhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Timeline_(RDM)/Archive5&diff=92990Talk:Timeline (RDM)/Archive52006-11-26T22:24:52Z<p>Werthead: /* the Colonial calender */</p>
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<div>== Caprica Boomer's conception and morning sickness ==<br />
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Only twelve days between Caprica Boomer's conception and morning sickness? That put's it at the fourth week, which is pretty much before she notices she is late. Sounds like a possible plot hole. Perhaps the caprica segments were not at the same time as the main fleet episodes or Cylon physilology makes them super sensitive to morning sickness. --[[User:Shemnon|Shemnon]] 18:35, 28 Jul 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:In fact, the times used here are taken from the captions introducing the Caprica sections in each episode, so a discrepancy is not possible. I too find the interval implausibly short, but that's just how it is, I guess. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:18, 29 Jul 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Home II ==<br />
:Roslin might not live to see Earth; although I don't have a recording of the episode, I thought she just said that she would "lead" them to Earth before her death. And since Roslin was responsible for finding the path to Earth (the starmaps in the Tomb of Athena) it might be argued that she's already 'led' them on the right path to Earth...[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:56, 27 August 2005 (EDT)<br />
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Re: Home, Part II: I realize that it's been difficult to firmly establish dates during this season, and anticipate that it will only get worse now that the main Kobol's Last Gleaming – Home arc is complete and the story resumes a more episodic feel. As a result, it would be helpful to justify any timeline estimates on the relevant episode's Notes section, as I have done for [[Resistance]] and [[The Farm]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:13, 27 August 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Saul and Bill vs. The ''Evil'' Cylons ==<br />
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So wait... The Cylon War started when William Adama was, roughly, ten and Saul Tigh was being born? It then went on for about 10 years, thus ending shortly after Adama would have been able to be in the military (assuming both that he wouldn't lie about his age to get in and that the Colonial Fleet has similar age-restrictions to the US Army--both pure speculation) and when Tigh was 10ish. This is my understanding from reading the time-line. I've frankly not paid much attention to when they mention these things on-screen. However, if this is true, then how did the ten-year-old Tigh learn about Cylon boarding party tactics after the Armistice? I have the (perhaps mistaken) impression that both Tigh and Adama are veterans of the Cylon War, but this timeline doesn't seem to allow for that. What's going on here? Am I daft? This is entirely possible. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:03, 10 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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== Untangling Season 2 ==<br />
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After their meticulous efforts at keeping track of the timeline during the first season, [[TPTB]] have apparently started slacking off this season. A clear timeline is an important resource, however, so let's start untangling things.<br />
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*'''Scattered''', '''Valley of Darkness''' and '''Fragged''' all clearly take place within the same 24-36 hours, on Day 51.<br />
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*'''Resistance''' takes place over two days, and begins on day 53 ''at the earliest''. Apollo asks Dualla how his father is doing "today", implying that it is at least the second time he has done so. His first chance would have been the morning of Day 52, putting the earliest possible date of this episode at Day 53.<br />
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:*Begins: Day 53<br />
:*Ends: Day 54 (earliest possible)<br />
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:At the end of the episode, Roslin escapes and Bill Adama wakes up. In "The Farm", Gaeta states that Roslin's escape took place "last week". This is very vague, and means only that "The Farm" begins more than one day after "Resistance", or else Gaeta would have said "yesterday". In a [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/205/deleted2.html scene] cut from beginning of The Farm (during Roslin's arrival on ''[[Kimba Huta]]''), Roslin makes a stronger statement - that it's been an "entire week" since her escape from ''Galactica''. This allows us to constrain the date of this episode fairly well, by substracting a seven day period from the well established possible date range for The Farm:<br />
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:*Ends Day 55 (latest, if Tigh were in command for 11 days (the longest probable time period))<br />
:*Ends Day 57 (latest, if Tigh were in command for 13 days (the longest possible time period))<br />
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:I thus consider Days 53-54 to be most likely range. This assumption is important, as "Flight of the Phoenix" must be calculated based on the day of Cally's arrest. <br />
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*'''The Farm''' begins with Adama resuming command. According to D'Anna Biers in "Final Cut", Tigh was in command for "over a week". I take this to mean 8-11 days, since if it had been 12 or more, she probably would have said "almost two weeks". That puts the beginning of this episode at day 59 (earliest) or day 62 (latest).<br />
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:*Begins: Day 59 (earliest) (Kobol's Last Gleaming Part I (Day 51) + 8 days)<br />
:*Begins: Day 62 (latest probable) (+11 days)<br />
:*Begins: Day 64 (latest possible) (+13 days)<br />
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:Roslin, as noted above, clarifies further in a cut scene, implying that this episode takes place exactly seven days after "Resistance". Working off of my estimate above, I therefore suggest that the most probable start date for this episode is Day 61, which puts Tigh in command for a 10 day period.<br />
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:This also means that Adama spent seven days between resuming consciousness and resuming command. Given the extent of his injuries, this is entirely plausible.<br />
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*'''Home, Part I''' begins immediately after the end of "The Farm".<br />
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*'''Final Cut''' takes place 10 days after the last Cylon contact. Since there were none since Valley of Darkness (Day 51), unless we count the Roslin Faction's skirmish on Kobol, and the episode clearly takes place much later than day 61, we must assume there has been a Cylon contact at some point ''after'' "Home, Part II", and that it's been more than ten days since then.<br />
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*'''Flight of the Phoenix''' features Cally's release from the brig. Since Bill Adama was being lenient when he sentenced her (in The Farm, some time after she would've been initially imprisoned), we may assume he granted her time served. If she killed Boomer on the evening of day 54, her first day in the brig would have been completed on the evening of day 55, her 30th on the evening of day 84. Her welcome-back party was probably that very night.<br />
:*Begins: Day 84 (earliest, if "Resistance" ended on day 54)<br />
:*Begins: Day 87 (latest possible, if Tigh was in command for 13 days, and thus Resistance ended on Day 57)<br />
:As per "Resistance", we assume Day 84 here.<br />
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:The duration of the episode is difficult to determine. We can probably put an upper limit on it based on the progress of Roslin's disease in the following episodes, but in his podcast, RDM notes that the timeline was kept deliberately vague for dramatic purposes:<br />
:<blockquote>The true timeline of how long it would really take Tyrol to actually build one of these things from scratch would probably be much - it would be weeks, realistically. But you'd rather tell the story in one package. You'd rather tell the story, hold the viewer in the moment of the scene, make them invest themselves in the effort and pay it off. And so you can fudge the timeline, you can kind of skate by it. There's no definitive statement in the episode of how long this is all taking. It's kept purposely vague. It's not - there's no, like, y'know, clock going on. No one's mentioning a passage of time really since he started working on the viper. You could probably find cryptic references here and there that might nail it down to a specific timeline - ''maybe''.</blockquote><br />
:*Although interpreting Moore's comments may not be wise, his notion that the Blackbird would take at least "weeks" to complete is probably plausible. Thus we can guess that the episode ends at ''the earliest'' 14 days later.<br />
:*Ends: Day 98 (if "Resistance" ended on day 54)<br />
:*Ends: Day 99 (if Tigh was in command for 11 days, and thus Resistance ended on Day 55)<br />
:*Ends: Day 101 (if Tigh was in command for 13 days, and thus Resistance ended on Day 57)<br />
:An upper limit on the end date of this episode is provided by the start of "Pegasus". When more information is available we will probably want to expand the date range as generously as possible, given the lengthy construction task in depicts.<br />
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*'''Pegasus''' is very difficult to date because of the trouble with the duration of "Flight of the Phoenix". All that can be said for certain is that, since Roslin is still on her feet, it can't ''possibly'' be more than 30 days after that episode begins, and ''probably'' no more than 20. Conceivably, "Pegasus" could have begun the very day "Flight of the Phoenix" ended, with the christening ceremony and Roslin's appearance on Galactica bookmarking the same visit. Otherwise, there were probably several days or more between her visits.<br />
**This is a slightly difficult reading, if only because of Adama's line "Well, Madam President, you picked a hell of a day for a visit" - she didn't pick the day for her visit in "Flight of the Phoenix", the deck crew did. <br />
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*'''Resurrection Ship, Part I''' is explicitly stated to take place six months after the fall of the twelve colonies. This badly contradicts earlier information, and there is no plausible place to insert the missing two month period, since Roslin's prognosis is updated before Cally is released from the brig in "Flight of the Phoenix". The episode itself does not appear to span more than a day.<br />
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*'''Resurrection Ship, Part II''' resumes immediately from the end of Part I, and appears to span about two and a half days.<br />
:In the episode "Epiphanies", which begins on day 189, Gaius Baltar notes that it has been "weeks" since he last saw his internal six. That puts her last appearance in this episode no later than day 175.<br />
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*'''Epiphanies''' should take place very near the end of the life span projected for Roslin in "Flight of the Phoenix". Hopefully more information will be available to date later episodes from that point, but if not, it's probably the last episode that will be dateable with any degree of certainty. For now, we can state that ''at the latest'', the episode ''begins'':<br />
:*Begins: Day 114 (if "Resistance" ended on day 54)<br />
:*Begins: Day 115 (if Tigh was in command for 11 days, and thus Resistance ended on Day 55)<br />
:*Begins: Day 117 (if Tigh was in command for 13 days, and thus Resistance ended on Day 57)<br />
:However, it now appears that Cain's "six month" statement will be adhered to in future episodes. [http://galactica.emedian.net/episode/2.13/imagepages/image13.html Promotional photographs] from the episode indicate that Boomer is showing visibly, which is more consistant with a five-month pregnancy than the three-month pregnancy accounted for above. (Boomer was impregnated between Day 24 and Day 36 in the first season.)<br />
::Unless you go with the "Cylons have accelerated pregnancies" argument, which is admittedly something of a cop-out. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 20:09, 14 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:The episode explicitly states that it takes place on Day 189 post-holocaust. The missing two months cannot be accounted for, and must be written off as a continuity error.<br />
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*In '''Black Market''', Fisk's assasination takes place "a matter of weeks" after Cain's. Phelan is killed two days later. Apollo's debriefing probably takes place the next day after that.<br />
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*Scar opens on Majahual's 29th day of mining operations. During this time period, the fleet has split up so that ''Galactica'' may guard mining operations while ''Pegasus'' shepherds the fleet and provides a less static target. The big question here is, could "Black Market" have taken place during this 29-day span?<br />
**Evidence in favor: The distance from Admiral Adama's oversight would hvae afforded Jack Fisk ample opportunity to become embroiled with the Black Market.<br />
**Evidence against: Both ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' are both seen with the Fleet at the beginning of "Black Market". This means that either the fleet had yet to split up, ''Majahual'' had returned to the Fleet with ''Galactica'', or that ''Majahual'' had been left behind in the asteroid field, defenseless.<br />
***Counterpoint: It may have been necessary for the mining ships involved in the project to offload ore at refinery ship ''Daru Mozu'' before returning to mining activities. In this case, ''Galactica'' could have been escorting a mining ship back to the fleet during "Black Market".<br />
**Evidence against: In the midst of Scar's attacks during the mining operation, Lee Adama would have been a poor choice to lead the investigation into Fisk's murder, since his skills as CAG were in greater demand with the Viper squadrons.<br />
:So, could "Epiphanies" have as well?<br />
:*Evidence in favor: Thrace spends most of her time in "Epiphanies" onboard ''Galactica''. The mining operations give her an excuse to be on ''Galactica'' despite her nominal position as CAG of ''Pegasus''.<br />
:*Evidence against: Roslin spent what were very nearly her last days in ''Galactica'''s infirmary. If ''Galactica'' had been in a combat situation at the time, this would not have been a good choice.<br />
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*Not much information is available to pin down the date of '''Sacrifice'''.<br />
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*'''The Captain's Hand''' gives us two clues as to its date:<br />
**It has been "almost a month" since Lee Adama was wounded in "Sacrifice".<br />
**Baltar's initial projection of the fleet's population trends took place "over seven months ago". This was ''before'' the arrival of ''Pegasus'', since he has to factor the crew of that ship in afterwards.<br />
***Note that this quite explicitly contradicts information given on the date of the presidential election given throughout the first season (seven months from "Bastille Day", six moths from "Colonial Day") - clearly, the election should already have taken place by now.<br />
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*''Galactica''-Valerii's resurrection in '''Downloaded''' takes place ten weeks after her death in "Resistance", which was firmly dated to be absolutely no later than Day 57, and probably no later than Day 54, above. That would put "Downloaded" at around Day 124, which explicitly contradicts almost every other piece of timeline information provided since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".<br />
**[[Hera]]'s birth apparently takes place nine months after the destruction of the twelve colonies, setting the date at roughly Day 270. This makes her birth about a month premature (Valerii was impregnated sometime between Day 24 and Day 36). This is at least in line with the post-"Resurrection Ship" timeline.<br />
**Is it possible that the scenes on Cylon-ocupied Caprica and in The Fleet do not take place concurrently?<br />
***Downloaded denotes both Caprica and Galactica as "present day". --Redwall<br />
***They've pretty much established that we're at "Month 9". 10 weeks ago? A month passed between "Sacrifice" and "Captain's Hand", another during Scar, and at least two before that; that would put her death in the Cain Trilogy! --->This is a goof!--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:16, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
**Number Three states that Thrace was on Caprica "a couple of weeks ago". It's not entirely clear how long "The Farm" lasted, but it was clearly many months ago - Galactica-Valerii wasn't even showing in that episode, and she gives birth here.<br />
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*'''Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I''' gives us many clues.<br />
**Zarek states that the people of the fleet have been "cooped up in metal boxes for nine months".<br />
**Tyrol has been having nightmares for two weeks.<br />
**The episode opens on the first day of the presidential debates. James MacManus tells us that Baltar declared his candidacy a month ago, and that the polls will open in two weeks.<br />
**Simultaneously, Apollo remarks that the raptor pilots will be missing five days of debate. This would seem to indicate that he expects their return within that time span.<br />
**Roslin, Foster, Baltar and Zarek are seen reading coverage of the debates the following morning.<br />
**Immediately afterwards, we see the Raptor team check in and make their first jump.<br />
**A series of events take place whose timeline is somewhat indeterminate.<br />
**We then see Starbuck's team prepping for their final jump. This is intercut with the final presidential debate, during which MacManus states that the polls are set to open in three days.<br />
:So, we can conclude the following:<br />
:*Day 240: "The Captain's Hand" ends with Baltar's announcement of candidacy.<br />
:*Day 270: Opening debate.<br />
:*Day 271: Candidates review media coverage, Raptors depart for Caprica.<br />
:*Day 281: Final debate. Raptors arrive at Caprica.<br />
:*Day 284: Polls open (projected).<br />
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:Comments: Apollo's "five day" comment is confusing, since the Raptor team was apparently only halfway there by LDYB1 + 5, and at their rate of travel couldn't be expected to return until LDYB1 + 22 days.<br />
:If the Raptors were only making ten jumps, as Gaeta tells us, this means that they were only making one jump per day. Although we've never seen raptors operating at such a long range before, it still seems like a slower rate than one would expect.<br />
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'''Summary of Known Information:'''<br />
*KLG, pt. II, Scattered, Valley of Darkness, Fragged - Day 51<br />
*The Farm: Duration unknown. Begins 8-13 days after KLG, pt. II (probably no more than 11)<br />
*Resistance: Covers 2 days. Ends 7 days before The Farm.<br />
*Flight of the Phoenix: Duration is at least 14 days. Begins 30 days after Resistance.<br />
*Resurrection Ship, Part II: Six's last appearance is at least 14 days before the beginning of "Epiphanies".<br />
*Epiphanies: Should begin less than 30 days after Flight of the Phoenix.<br />
*Epiphanies: Begins Day 189<br />
*Black Market: Begins less than 60 days after Cain's assasination.<br />
*The Captain's Hand: Thrace was assigned to ''Pegasus'' before Adama, but not by long - she was only on board for four days prior to the Battle of the Binary Star System.<br />
*The Captain's Hand: Begins after Thrace's assignment, and "almost a month" after "Sacrifice". Probably between 21 and 29 days. <br />
*The Captain's Hand: Baltar's comment about population statistics is at least 7.5 months (225 days) post-attack.<br />
*Downloaded: Begins nine months post-holocaust (270 days). This is the most likely of several conflicting pieces of information.<br />
*Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1: Begins 30 days after the end of "The Captain's Hand."<br />
*Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1: One day later, Zarek states that it's about nine-months post-holocaust.<br />
*Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1: Ends 11 days after the first debates.<br />
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''More to come.'' --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:39, 11 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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===How You Can Help===<br />
I need thoughts on the following:<br />
*How many days was Kara Thrace at the Farm on Caprica?<br />
*How many days do both parts of "Home" span?<br />
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===Further cleanup===<br />
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Firstly, I'm thinking that "Epiphanies" will take place exactly 30 days after "Flight of the Phoenix" (getting it down to the wire, last possible moment to save Roslin, etc). However, I used to think "Flight of the Phoenix" happened on day 86, now it's been moved to day 89 (I don't understand the reasoning), and FotP's date is based on Cally's arrest at the end of "Resistance", however recently the deleted scenes revealed the "The Farm" takes place one week after "Fragged". I'm not adept enough at this to sort it all out, maybe someone else can. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 10:58, 10 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:Which scene? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:33, 10 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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::During the Roslin halucination scene in "Resistance", I believe; she says that the Quorum has been unsure of whether to support her or not for "a week now". Granted, it was a dream sequence, but I think it accurately reflects what the tone of the episode was.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:07, 10 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:::Oh, you meant The Farm, which wasn't a hallucination. That's helpful. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:01, 11 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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== 6 months? ==<br />
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I thought I heard "Is that what you two have been doing out here for the last '''six months'''?" (following by something about philosophical debates and not having that luxury in time of war) from Cain on Colonial One. 180 days is a lot, so I thought I would mention it instead of add it, since I might just have heard incorrectly. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:34, 7 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:See [[Resurrection Ship, Part I#Analysis]]. Her comment cannot possibly be correct, but on the other hand, she was speaking in haste and might have been exagerating for dramatic effect. Pegasus and Resurrection Ship almost certainly take place three months and change since the attack. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:23, 7 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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Further, in "[[Final Cut]]" D'Anna Biers states that Col. Tigh was in command of Galactica for "over a week"--->which is from "Scattered" to "Resistance" (maybe "The Farm"). I'm going to be liberal with this and say that was 13 days at most (obviously, this is probably not this case). Theorizing here: We know that Col. Tigh took command on Day 51 (on screen Fact), and that may have been in "command" for at most 14 days-->Resistance takes place on Day 65ish. Cally is given 30 days in the brig, gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix" which begins on Day 85ish then. Now, RDM did say that "weeks" pass during Flight of the Phoenix, which we always interpretted as "at least two weeks". In the same episode, Roslin is told that she has one month (30 days), ''tops'', to live. "Pegasus" could have occured right after this. Anyway, "Epiphanies" now says that it takes place on Day 189? Okay, subtract 14 days for the two weeks Six was gone; that's 175. At LEAST two days pass during the Cain trilogy; so 173. --->When does "Flight of the Phoenix" end? That's the question. Well, subtract 30 from 173 and we get 143. You know, no matter how many ways I look at it, I'm suspecting they're trying to pull a full-blown '''retcon''' on us, because they're apparently saying that "Flight of the Phoenix" from beginning to end lasted '''two months'''. '''We know as stated fact that the Presidential elections are taking place on Day 222''' (give or take a week). So unless in an episode stated to take place 30 days from now, there is an election, this is just one of the biggest goofs we've ever had. Thoughts?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:13, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, that's where it stands. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:37, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Who says FOTP didn't take 2 months? They were building a frakking ship from scratch, after all. Granted, its the biggest leap we've seen in a single episode, but is there evidence to the contrary? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:01, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:::Yes. Roslin gets her one-month prognosis ''before'' Cally's release from the brig, which we can firmly date. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Also, remember that Laura was '''''starting''''' her education-related tour thingee 189 days before Ephiphanies. I am pretty sure that she was almost ENDING it during the miniseries. So, I think we can safely say that Ephiphanies is not happening on day 189, but rather, before it. Granted, its probably not more than a week or two, but that week could be what we're missing to make the timeline coherent. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:01, 21 January 2006 (EST) <br />
:::In his podcast, Moore states the the flashback scenes were meant to take place in between Roslin's diagnosis and her departure for Galactica, which was all in the span of one day. He admits that the timeline has to be fudged a bit to get Baltar and Six on the scene, but it was a very short time span. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Furthermore, however, I think that we're missing gaps that occur between episodes. For instance, is there evidence that KLG took place right after Colonial Day? We listed a one day gap, but what are we basing that on? There could be a week gap there and we wouldn't know it.<br />
:::There is very firm evidence for all the first season dating, including Colonial Day and Kobol's Last Gleaming. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::I think we need to list the things we DO know (colonial day takes place on day 47, there is a 30 day gap between resistance and the beginning of FOTP, and Ephiphanies takes place in the 180 day range, etc.) and then rebuild the timeline from there, working in reasonable gaps. We are saying that there are continuity errors due to Ephiphanies, but I doubt RDM would make a blunder like that. We just think there is a continuity error because we've been speculating ao many dates and then taking them for fact. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:01, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:::I have been maintaining exactly such a list at the bottom of my lengthy discussion on the topic. I encourage you to read it fully. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Some might call this cavalier, but this is what I ''propose'' as what I would like: Firstly, we're going to bludgeon Ron D. Moore's blog with questions about this until we get an answer (even of the "so what? we made it up" variety, anything). You see, BMS, I feel that we '''should not restructure the timeline based on "Epiphanies"'''. We should point out in the Notes section of every following episode "This is so and so many days after "Epiphanies", however note that BattlestarWiki's timeline shows that it couldn't be this". This is either a major blunder, a retcon, or both. We're not basing it on "Colonial Day", we're basing it on "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II" which was the final day that we got a date on screen (Day 51). KLG part I begins immediately after Colonial Day as you see that Starbuck got drunk at the party then had sex with Baltar in the following episode (she has the same dress, etc). Simply;<br />
:::*Kobol's Last Gleaming Part II through Valley of Darkness happen pretty much on the same day, Day 51.<br />
:::*Colonel Tigh could not possibly have been in command of Galactica for a period of over two weeks. He was in command starting in "Scattered", until "Resistance", although possibly this could have extended until "The Farm". <br />
:::*Cally is given a sentence of 30 days in the brig in "The Farm" for shooting Boomer in "Resistance". (we always assumed it mean 30 Days counting from when she was first arrested, not several days later when Adama sentenced her). She gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix".<br />
:::*Roslin is told later in Flight of the Phoenix that she has no more than one month to live. That puts a MAXIMUM of 30 days between the END of Flight of the Phoenix and "Epiphanies". We do know that Flight of the Phoenix DOES span a time period of WEEKS, we always assumed this was at least two. Though I guess up to four would not be "unreasonable". <br />
:::*Adding them up, 51+14+30 = 90. Flight of the Phoenix BEGINS at around at least Day 90 (although the SCENE with Roslin's diagnosis is after the scene when Cally gets out, I'm willing to fudge it and just say that scenes on different ships don't necessarily happen in order if they don't affect each other right away. Fair enough).---->Thus, "Epiphanies" could not take place any later than Day 120, which is FOUR months, not Six (to quote Picard, "THERE...ARE...**FOUR**..." MONTHS!). What are we supposed to believe, that Flight of the Phoenix lasted '''two months'''? I mean the biggest "official" gap between episodes was the 10 day gap between The Hand of God and Colonial Day.<br />
:::*Another big, "dumb question" I have: If Pegasus-through-Epiphanies (within a few days of each other) is supposed to take place ''Six'' months after the Cylon attack, '''Why isn't Caprica-Boomer more visibly pregnant?!'''. Her daughter was conceived a month after the attack, which would make her ''Five months pregnant'' in "Pegasus". Yet in Pegasus, she's wearing a REALLY form fitting tank top in which she doesn't look noticeably pregnant at all. Anyone else baffled by this?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 10:47, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::Roslin's prognosis is updated very early in "Flight of the Phoenix", ''before'' Cally's release from the brig, so really it should be "a maximum of 30 days between the BEGINNING of Flight of the Phoenix" and "Epiphanies". As for Boomer, she looks about five months along in "Epiphanies", but certainly did not during the "Pegasus" trilogy. I think it's fairly obvious that we just have to write off the "lost" two months as a continuity glitch - there's certainly no use badgering RDM about it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:28, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::Thanks, Peter. Thats what I really wanted to see, the dates that we know filled in with the dates we can speculate. It appears your right, there are 2 months missing. I didn't think that RDM would make such a huge blunder - If I were him, I would have written out all the dates George Lucas style - he had the entire Star Wars timeline from Anakin's birth to Luke's death planned out before he even released the first one back in 1977. I thought RDM, with his whole "naturalistic science fiction" crusade would have done the same. Way to frak it up, RDM. PS way to work in the Picard reference - great episode. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 15:33, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:::::No he didn't. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:30, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
::::I just had another thought. Perhaps Roslins little tour lasted 2 months. If she was going to all 12 colonies, who knows? That might be the missing two months right there. Do we have a reference to the duration of that tour? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 15:36, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::::See RDM's podcast for his thoughts on the duration of the flashbacks. They were originally intended to all take place in between Roslin's diagnosis and her departure for ''Galactica'', all on the same day. Note that her suit matches the one she arrived on Galactica wearing. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:43, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::::Oooh yeah... you're right. Well, I guess RDM's really frakked himself on this one. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 19:36, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::Very good observations, and I think we should try to pressure RDM about this, if possible. He spouts so much rhetoric about keeping it believeable that we can't really let something like this slide. However, I don't know about using the FotP "1 month" diagnosis as the ''main'' point of continuity criticism. While it is true that Dr. Cottle has shown to be a very good doctor and his estimate is probably a well-informed one, it is still an ''estimate.'' This certainly wouldn't be the first time a patient lived longer than a doctor expected, and it won't be the last. Despite decades of collecting data, cancer is still not very well understood by Earth doctors, and it follows that since the Galactica world is almost identical to ours in terms of medical technology (by design), cancer is not all that well understood there either. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 15:37, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:::::No. In that episode he said he's be ''surprised'' if she lived a month. They were down to a few weeks. Jumping from that to saying "well she could have just lived two months and surprised everyone" is stretching it. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:30, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
By the way, please try to read the discussion thread more carefully. As much as I don't care for Ricimer regurgitating my easily accessible notes, I'd still rather not be erroneously credited for his posts. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:I'm as upset about this as you are. I was developing my own thoughts, "thinking out loud" as it were, not "regurgitating" what you said (similarities are due to the fact that they share the same source material). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:30, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:I think we're all basically on the same page here, so there's no need to argue over who came up with what originally. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 17:37, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Come on now, this is supposed to be a *happy* occassion. Let's not ''bicker'' and ''argue'' about...who killed who...--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:55, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Yeah... we're all on the same page here. Perhaps we should add a note to the bottom of the timeline page about the missing two months? Right now, it jumps from day 86 to day 175 with no explanation. Well, I guess there IS no explanation, so we should add a note saying there is no explanation... if that makes sense. Also, sorry if I mixed up who said what, this page has become a little tough to follow. My apologies to Ricimer and Peter Farago. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 19:47, 22 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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Speaking from experience, I have known two people (one relative, one relative of a close friend) with cancer who have been given the "surprised if you see out the month" speech from doctors only to survive 3 months and 18 months respectively. My point is that even the most experienced of doctors often have to make educated guesses and sometimes they don't get the figures quite right. Sometimes the cancer doesn't behave as expected or the progression through the body slows. Given what is shown of Roslyn from FOTP, Pegasus, Resurrection Ship to Epiphanies, I don't see a huge problem with her lasting the extra 60 or so days that the timeline suggests. --[[User:Rexpop|rexpop]] 1:56, 26 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Thank you for your insight. On reflection, this does seem to be a plausible way to reconcile the time discrepancy. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:44, 26 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Your personal insight does not add further weight to your viewpoint. I feel this violates the Citation crusade directly: unless they say directly on screen, in dialog, "wow, she lived longer than we thought", we should under no circumstances '''assume''' that she "just happened to live longer". Remember, this is a ''tv series'' where the writers are actually trying to inform they audience by stating facts on camera. This is not a historical research paper where we are trying to find out when a real person died, and we're confused that a doctor's diagnosis notes say she would live shorter than we've been led to believe. This is a tv series, and the writers were talking with us the audience in mind when they have Cottle on screen saying "you've got weeks, a month at the outside". Note, at the "outside" chance, as in "a maximum of one month". Thus, Rosl*I*n we must assume only had one month left. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 19:57, 26 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::My only point is that of all the known information, Roslin's prognosis is the only thing that it is even ''possible'' to fudge. Whether or not one wishes to do so is a matter of personal interpretation. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:42, 26 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Ricimer is just dead wrong there. If you listen to RDM he constantly talks about how his characters are living in a realistic world and are fallible. If you take that to its logical conclusion, then Cottle is just making his best guess as to what her prognosis is. He gives an estimate of how long she has, but, like any real doctor, he might have been wrong. An outside chance of one month doesn't rule out something longer than one month (he just probably wouldn't have bet money on it). And even if you went back to Cottle and he said, "She'll die within 20 days, guaranteed," one man's personal belief won't change the facts, and it looks like she lived longer than that one month. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 02:59, 26 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::It is irrational of you to disagree with Ricimer. And frankly your line of thinking rings of [[Wikipedia:Truthiness|Truthiness]]: it is not "one man's OPINION"; he is a DOCTOR, his prognosis was based on science and fact. Next, it was obviously a case of the writers essentially breaking the fourth wall, to announce to the audience, "she has one month to live". Finally, the amount of time that we believe was lost was on the order of ''Three Months''. It would be impossible, given the script, for Roslin to inexplicably live for four months when the medical prognosis was that she would live for one month ''at most''. Further, it does not explain the sudden shift in Caprica-Sharon's pregnancy; how she goes from not-visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" to suddenly very pregnant: if "Downloaded" supposedly takes place when she is eight months pregnant, and in Res Ship they say that six months have passed, making her 5 months pregnant all of a sudden? Even when she was wearing a tank top and stuff? Regardless, suddenly going from a "one month at best" prognosis, to "well, turns out it was four months", is a ''fantasy''. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:32, 26 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::It's not irrational. It is one man's opinion, a doctor's for sure, but that still doesn't change the fact that he's making a best guess based on the information at hand. Going by yours and Ricimer's line of reasoning, then in the context of this show, a doctor's guesses are always right, that they do not make mistakes. But doctors do occasionally make misdiagnoses, give incorrect prognosises and make mistakes. I admit that it is a long shot that she could last four months after a one month prognosis, but it doesn't rule out that it couldn't happen. I understand that, by throwing out the one month prognosis in dialogue, the writers are trying to give us clues in the timeline, but the one month prognosis doesn't jive and I think that this is the best way to account for that three month gap. I personally think that they threw that line out there in writing anzd, as we have seen, they haven't been playing as close attention to the timeline as they should. And in regards to the pregnancy, at 5 months she'll have a nice little bulge in her belly. What I saw in Pegasus didn't really give any view of her belly area that was clear enough to know if she has a nice bulge ... unfortunately, I don't have a copy of "Resurrection Ship, pt I" to go back and take a look the exam scene right now which might clear things up. Oh, and thanks for the catch on the timeline for "Downloaded" BTW. You're right that 270 is the birthdate. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 15:10, 2 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Actually, if you can see Pegasus and Res Ship again it's ridiculous; she's wearing a tight fitting tank top and doesn't look pregnant at all. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:41, 2 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Duration of Home, Part I==<br />
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What's the basis for the recent dating for Home, Part I? I mean in terms of quotes or something I missed.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:16, 8 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:I don't know. It would probably be best to consider it in three parts with The Farm and Home, Part II, since they all seem to pick up where the other leaves off. I've sort of held off on re-watching them longer than I should, since they aren't really my favorite episodes... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:00, 8 January 2006 (EST)<br />
::If we just "assumed" 2 days had passed, etc without evidence I think it should be replaced with ?? marks. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:38, 8 January 2006 (EST)<br />
:::I agree, if there's no evidence, but let's give Kahran a chance to respond. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:41, 8 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Roslin's life expectancy after "Epiphanies" ==<br />
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Should we remove the "Roslin's maximum/minimum life expectancy" stat now that her cancer's been all but cured?<br />
[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:58, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:I'd rather not. We didn't remove her older life expectancy from "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I" when the estimate was revised downward in "Flight of the Phoenix". Both data points might still be of interest to someone who's following the continuity of the show. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:04, 21 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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==When is the Presidential Election?==<br />
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Okay, "Res Ship, part I" and "Epiphanies" established that we are now 6 months after the Cylon attack. (That's definately what they're *SAYING*, but I'm still saying how improbable it was and there must have been a lot of time passing in FotP). <br />
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Regardless, in "[[Scar]]" 29 days pass. Give a few as well for "Black Market" (do we know how many days pass in that?), and we'll call it an even "one month". <br />
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6 months + 1 month = 7 months. pollo stated in "Bastille Day" that they would hold elections in "seven months" when Roslin serves out President Adar's term. So what's going on? --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:11, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:RDM says the election will take place at the end of the season. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:18, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Timing of Events of Black Market and later episodes==<br />
The "matter of weeks" timing of Black Market after Epiphanies is thorny in terms of trying to figure out when it happens. I'm estimating 3 weeks, hence 21 days. If it was much longer, they could have said "a month" or "almost a month" or "more than a month", if it was shorter, it could be "just a week" or the like. It could be a little more either way, but I put dates in estimating that much time (and noted as approximate).<br />
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:Seven weeks is still "a matter of weeks". All we can say about the "black market" comment is that it was definitely less than two months, since after that point it becomes "a matter of months". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:38, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::No Wingsandsword. Here our standard is to leave it as ?? question marks, when such a large amount of time as ''one to two weeks'' is involve.d --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't see any policy to that effect anywhere here. I've just checked, it's nowhere in the tutorials, nowhere in the few policies listed, nowhere I can find. There is no style guide to this wiki making things like that standard that I can tell. It might be ''your'' personal standard, but I don't see any official opinion or policy declaration that approximate dates have a specific margin of error, that beyond "x" certainty it goes from an approximate date to a completely unknown one. An approximate date is a lot more useful than just "???". We don't know when, hence it is listed as "~" days. --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 13:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== The Ten Weeks thing in "Downloaded" ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you guys in on a little thing regarding this "Ten Weeks Ago" thing that popped up in "Downloaded"... I was contacted by a bona-fide member of the post-production crew on BSG. While I can't get into specifics, since I didn't ask to do so, I can tell you folks that the production crew figured that the "Ten Weeks Ago" thing was a mistake (which came from the script) and this will be corrected in the home video releases and the international views to read "Ten Weeks After" (the attack). It was the fan's outcry -- and the meticulous work done on this timeline -- that brought around this correction. All our hard working contributors should be proud -- I know I am. Pretty frakkin' cool, huh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 2 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:It is pretty cool, but "ten weeks after the attack" is still wrong - Sharon's death can't ''possibly'' have been any later than Day 57, ie, roughly eight weeks. Nor does it address the other issue in this episode - Three's statement that Kara was on Caprica "a couple weeks ago", while Caprica-Valerii wasn't even visibly pregnant yet; nor the 74 days which seem to have vanished into the ether between "Pegasus" and "Resurrection Ship". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 2 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:: FYI, I've mailed the person in question your comments. I'm interested to see what happens with this. I'll keep you folks posted. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:39, 2 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::I was going to chime in on this myself: Our entire timeline supports the idea that it could not have been Day 70 (ten weeks); that was around Home, Part II. Would you guys agree that "8 weeks after" would be a good working figure? (I mean "weeks" leaves it "fuzzy around the edges", as it were, giving some 2-3 day stretch time, no need to get exact.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:10, 3 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Flight Of The Phoenix Chronology Note ==<br />
I'm sorry to say that the whole Chronology Note on this episode has several errors in it that need correcting. Rather than edit it myself, I'm starting this thread so that there is some agreement on what it is edited to. I rewatched 'Flight of the Phoenix' the other weekend from the Season 2.0 DVD set and the order of events in the episode is: <br />
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1) Caly gets released from the Brig <br />
2) Tyrol starts building the backbird <br />
3) Laura gets her one month to live diagnosis <br />
4) Galactica routs Cylon attack <br />
5) Tyrol completes the Blackbird. <br />
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So the statement that Laura's diagnosis happended before Caly was released from the brig is wrong. And there is no indication that the scene happened in flashback either. It's possible that they re-edited the episode for the DVD but I haven't seen a posting to indicate that this happened. So I would suggest that this note is removed and the episode timeline entry corrected to break out the 5 events, as they did occur on seperate days over a three month period. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 15:38, 3 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:Thank you; I was running off of some back information from someone else, but upon viewing a transcript at GalacticaStation, it appears that Roslin is givern her diagnosis AFTER Cally returns; this is great, and a lot simpler; now it just means that months pass between these two scenes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:36, 3 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::To clear things up I've tidied up the section for this episode. I've broken out the events as happening on different days and moved the chronology note to the notes section for further cleaning up. I've also indicated that the day of Cally's release is approximate as we don't have a firm date from when the 30 days starts from. Hopefully this will help keep the timeline fairly clean. and clear --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 21:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Fine Tuning "Black Market" Through "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" ==<br />
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I know that we've been able to pin the start date of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" to be around Day 270, but I think it we might be able to further fine tune that number to be more like Day 276. Going forward from "Epiphanies," the timeline is as follows:<br />
* At least two days pass in "Epiphanies" putting the earliest start date for the events in "Black Market" to be around Day 191.<br />
* At least one day passes in "Black Market," which means that the mining operations in "Scar" could not start until Day 192 at the earliest. Since the mining ops in "Scar" take 29 days, [[Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] could not return to the fleet until Day 221 at the earliest.<br />
* The return of [[Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] to the fleet means that the events of "Sacrifice" could not begin until Day 221.<br />
* Lee's recovery from the shooting in "Sacrifice" has lasted "almost a month." If we assume this is longer than three weeks and less than a month, around 25 days, then the starting date for "The Captain's Hand" would be around Day 246.<br />
* In "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" the moderator of the debate states that Baltar announced his candidacy one month ago (in "The Captain's Hand"), putting the the beginning of the episode at around Day 276.<br />
It's six days, I know, but I think with the information at hand we can reliably date the timline for the final stretch of the season. Any thoughts, other information I'm missing? --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 14:39, 7 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:I agree. If we look at Starbuck's SAR, how can it take them 10 days to jump from the Fleet to Caprica and only one day to jump back? If we put "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" at Day 276, that would seem a little more likely (ie, four days of Jumps and calculations to get there, one day to get back). --[[User:Bahamut|Bahamut]] 04:00, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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::It still doesn't take care of some of the consistencies in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I," though. Right before the debates Six says it will be two weeks before the election, yet in the briefing room right before the first debate Lee says they're listening in to see what they are looking forward to over the next 5 days, either meaning that the debates are only going to last 5 days or the SAR mission is going to last 5 days, yet after the last debate, the announcer says the election will be in three days and the SAR mission hasn't returned home yet (and yes, the SAR mission did run a day long, so I think it ran 6 days, while the debates ran 5. The 5 day format makes sense to me ... 1 day for debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for second debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for final debate) --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 23:38, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::Something which just ocurred to me - the "three days away" comment explicitly refers to the polls ''opening''. Perhaps the "two weeks away" comment refers to them ''closing''. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:42, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Maybe, but Six explicitly says the "election" is two weeks away ... I think it might be that there's a good 7 days or so between the close of the debates and the actual election. That would mean the SAR team would get back from Caprica around Day 282 and you'd have a week for the action to play out of Rosalin coming to Baltar, Anders and Thrace and Lee, etc. If no-one has any other major inputs, I'll go ahead and edit the S2.5 timeline to reflect these changes. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 00:18, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Please don't. We're very explicitly told that the final debate was three days before the polls open, when McManus says "This concludes the cycle of the debates for the presidency. The polls will be open in three days." --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:56, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::Sorry, wasn't clear about what I'd proposed the edit on ... it would be for the stretch between Epiphanies and Lay Down Your Burdens I&II (the timeline I wrote out above). The timline for Lay Down Your Burdens I&II would remain intact, just shifted down by by 6 days. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 01:44, 14 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::I'm confused. I thought it was pretty clear that the LDYB timeline I posted is based on a rough estimate of Baltar's "nine months" comment. There should be about two weeks of wiggle room on either side. I don't think we've even tried to link it up conclusively to Epiphanies yet, which will be a complicated challenge. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:50, 14 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::I'm confused as to what you're confused about ... with the information at hand we can reasonably date the timeline from Ephiphanies through LDYB ... I don't see a good place to put the proposed edit here, so I can put it on my talk page for you to look at. --[[User:LindyChef|LindyChef]] 23:09, 15 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::::I'll be interested to see your argument. I don't believe we currently have enough information to do that conclusively. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:30, 15 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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===Issues with LindyChef's Analysis===<br />
:''Link: [[User_talk:LindyChef#Example_of_proposed_edit_for_the_RDM_Timeline_page_for_s2.5]]''<br />
*How can Resurrection Ship Parts 1 & 2 be firmly dated? All we know is that at the ''latest'', Gina and Baltar last spoke 14 days prior to epiphanies. What else constrains these events?<br />
*What's the motivation for placing "Black Market" mere days after Epiphanies? There's no reason this couldn't be the case, of course. <br />
*As I discussed above, isn't it possible that the asteroid mining operations were already underway during "Black Market"?<br />
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Thanks for your work on this thus far. I look forward to your reply. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:31, 22 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Timeline Image ==<br />
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I been working with a cool program that does a timeline bar. . I can even make it clickable if SVG files are enabled. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:36, 23 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:I doubt that the visual aid will benefit this article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:40, 23 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:: In it's very impomplete form. Just giving an idea. Once i figure out all the parmaters then I will post a more realisisc bar. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:43, 23 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== Days v. Day ==<br />
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I am very confused. I am working on the timeline image, and days are driving me nutz. Days are like 46 days. 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 and so on... and day is a single day right? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:32, 23 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:There's not much meaningful difference, we switched from "46 Days" to "Day 46" about halfway through season one and never corrected the older entries. Side note - your timeline right not indicates that "33" spanned five days, but it really only took place over about three hours at the end of day 6. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:05, 24 April 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Dating "The Captain's Hand"==<br />
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"Epiphanies" and the Cain Trilogy take place at Six Months after the Cylon attack. It's stated that mining operations in "Scar" lasted one month. It's stated that one month passes between "Sacrifice" and "The Captain's Hand". It's stated that the next episode, "Downloaded", is 9 months post-attack. Start at Six months, plus 1 for "Scar", plus 1 for stated gap between Sacrifice and Captain's Hand, Captain's Hand takes place at least 8 months post-attack. *****Do we have any idea whatsoever how much time passes between Captain's Hand and Downloaded? Because I'm going consider it just "0ver 8 months" I guess. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:47, 11 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
:Nevermind, LDYB I firmly dates Captain's Hand as 1 month before it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:57, 11 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
::Yep. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:16, 11 July 2006 (CDT)<br />
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==Future Events==<br />
Is it possible to delete the furute events that have a line through them? I really don't see the point of keeping them.--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:07, 6 September 2006 (CDT)<br />
:You know, I kind of like the 'timeline graveyard.' It shows what issues arose and that the show is taking care of them in one way or another. ... Now, better organizing/displaying it is another matter. That lineout stuff is none too pretty. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 14:33, 23 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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== "Circa:" the enemy of all anal historians ==<br />
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Now that LDYB II and the beginning of season 3 has provided us some hard dates, I would really appreciate it if someone (Bart voice: "Not me!") rigorously checked the dates of the events of LDYB II and Occupation. From there, it would be relatively easy to accurately sequence the webisodes and subsequent season 3 episodes. I just sped through Occupation/Precipice/Exodus to get their timelines at least worked out, but we're in a bad place that pretty much everything after the Cylon arrival starts with "c. Day ###" - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 14:28, 23 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:I know circa is ugly, but we can't clean anything up. We know when Cylon occupation began relative to the settling of New Caprica, and we know when Season 3 opened relative to the occupation, but the settling of New Caprica itself is only known to have taken place in the vicinity of nine months after the fall of the colonies. Thus, we are stuck with the "circa". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:50, 21 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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== the Colonial calender ==<br />
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Since '''Hero''' has revealed how the Colonial calender counts it's years and the the "current" year is 21,356 the timeline should be updated. ([[User:Alphaboi867|Alphaboi867]] 19:27, 19 November 2006 (CST))<br />
: I disagree with the usage of these dates, particularly in lieu of [[:Image:Execution Order Signature.png|the document Baltar signed]] in "[[Precipice]]". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:53, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
*Indeed, the document gives that particular day as "3454-91". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 21:23, 19 November 2006 (CST)<br />
::There's even a different (third) timekeeping system used on Adama's letter of resignation in "Hero". The Dossier is useful for pinning down relative dates, but I don't think we should read too much into the calendar system. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:25, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
:::There's also a not-so-clear chart on Laura Roslin in "Epiphanies", which was located at the foot of her sickbay bed. We see this briefly and it is blurry enough not to make out specific numbers, but said document appears to be using a different dating structure as well. Also, given the [[Cimtar Peace Accords]] documents and [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]] in the mini-series, the documents should be treated with a healthy skepticism. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:13, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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Another thought... in general, I have to say that we should probably avoid using in-universe dating, and go with keeping the dating system as simple as possible (using the Fall of the Colonies as a baseline). Since there is more than enough evidence thus far proving that the in-universe dating system is inconsistently applied, I believe using this would only lead to horrible inaccuracies, the bane of any reference's existence. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:13, 20 November 2006 (CST)<br />
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==The Hero Continuity Discrepency==<br />
Given the amount of discussion it has generated on other BSG websites I have been surprised to note that the enormous continuity errors in Hero haven't been discussed here. Namely the error that Adama was on board Valkyrie 1 year before the attacks and was given command of Galactica afterwards as a retirement posting, yet in You Can't Go Home Again he states that he has commanded Starbuck "On THIS ship," for more than 2 years. There's also the problem that he served with Tyrol for 5 years (and Tyrol listed all of the battlestars he served on in Resistance and Valkyrie wasn't one of them), Gaeta for 3 years prior to the attack, Boomer for 2 years and Captain Kelly for some time as well (didn't he say 2 years as well in the mini?). I can see Adama taking Tigh with him from Valkyrie to Galactica, but 5 other crewmen as well? And a fairly random selection at that (a flight operations officer, a bridge officer, a nugget, a pilot, a deckhand, assuming Tyrol was in a more junior post at that time)? Plus only Tigh and Adama knew Bulldog. Starbuck and Tyrol seemed to have no idea who he was.<br />
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To add to the chaos, Adama seems to genuinely believe that he could have sparked the Attack on the Colonies. This is impossible as Adama served with Boomer for 2 years prior to the Attack, thus the Cylons were infiltrating the Colonies 1 year before the Valkyrie mission and Adama knows this. By itself, this seems to indicate that the Valkyrie mission must take place considerably earlier than it is claimed.<br />
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Possible solutions:<br />
1) Adama was in charge of Galactica and went to Valkyrie to do this one special mission, requesting that Bulldog and Tigh go with him. UNLIKELY: Tyrol, Starbuck and Athena should still have recognised Bulldog (they missed a trick by not having Bulldog bump into Athena, recognise her as a Cylon and freaking out btw). Bulldog definitely was not on Galactica before as he wanted to know what Adama was doing on such an old ship. This is still problematic as Boomer's presence would tell Adama that the Cylons were already infiltrating the Colonies, thus his mission had nothing to do with the Attack.<br />
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2) The producers forgot about the year on New Caprica, so the Valkyrie mission was actually 2 years before the Attack. However, this causes problems in that Adama had still served with Gaeta and Tyrol by that point. Moving it back to 3 years before the Attack (meaning the producers forgot about the year on New Caprica and nine months the series spanned before that as well, which seems ludicrous) only gives us Tyrol to worry about and that can be explained by Tyrol being on Valkyrie (and serving on the other flight pod to the one Bulldog used and being in a junior position, so he never worked with him) and going with the Old Man to Galactica (and forgetting to list Valkyrie among his previous posts). That seems to be fine. The only problem with this is that this means that Bulldog was a prisoner of the Cylons for SIX years, not three, a very considerable difference.<br />
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Solution: There isn't one. At least with the last big screw-up (Flight of the Phoenix) it was possible to come to a conclusion by saying that episode took place over two to three months. With this problem, it seems totally self-contradictory (I wonder if RDM didn't do a podcast for this episode simply because he realised how messed up the timeline was).<br />
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EDIT: I just found some discussion on the Hero episode page, which basically seems to reach the same conclusion I did: there isn't an explanation except the dialogue in this episode is plain wrong. Oh well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 16:24, 26 November 2006 (CST)</div>Werthead