https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Avazina&feedformat=atomBattlestar Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T13:01:30ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.40.1https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Quorum_of_Twelve_(TOS)/Archive_1&diff=131586Talk:Quorum of Twelve (TOS)/Archive 12007-08-08T01:44:16Z<p>Avazina: New page: The interesting difference about TOS Quorum of Twelve from the RDM Quorum is TOS portrayed the members of the Quorum as a bunch of bumbling self serving idiots. RDM seems to have taken a ...</p>
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<div>The interesting difference about TOS Quorum of Twelve from the RDM Quorum is TOS portrayed the members of the Quorum as a bunch of bumbling self serving idiots. RDM seems to have taken a different approach by not focusing much on their actions so we haven't seen much activity from them on screen. --[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 20:44, 7 August 2007 (CDT)</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Articles_of_Colonization/Archive_1&diff=131585Talk:Articles of Colonization/Archive 12007-08-08T01:31:11Z<p>Avazina: corrected errors</p>
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<div>Since the reimagined Battlestar Galactica has taken off in popularity, I wonder if the writers for the series will eventually compile the complete [[Articles of Colonization]]; as the writer for another, much older, scifi series did by writing the Charter for the United Federation of Planets? --[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 18:10, 7 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Unlikely. They just invent snippets when they need it. Same with Star Trek. The complete Federation charter doesn't exist, and certainly not in TOS. And the excerpt seen in a VOY episode was far more likely made by the prop department than the writers. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:21, 7 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
::HMMM.... Interesting, since Paramount Pictures published a book with the tech and other specifics about the Star Trek TOS universe that featured a full-length version the Federation Charter. I guess it was merely a re-working the UN Charter. --[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 20:30, 7 August 2007 (CDT)</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Articles_of_Colonization/Archive_1&diff=131584Talk:Articles of Colonization/Archive 12007-08-08T01:30:21Z<p>Avazina: </p>
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<div>Since the reimagined Battlestar Galactica has taken off in popularity, I wonder if the writers for the series will eventually compile the complete [[Articles of Colonization]]; as the writer for another, much older, scifi series did by writing the Charter for the United Federation of Planets? --[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 18:10, 7 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
:Unlikely. They just invent snippets when they need it. Same with Star Trek. The complete Federation charter doesn't exist, and certainly not in TOS. And the excerpt seen in a VOY episode was far more likely made by the prop department than the writers. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:21, 7 August 2007 (CDT)<br />
::HMMM.... Interesting, since Paramount published book which the tech and other specifics about the Star Trek TOS that featured a full-length version the Federation Charter. I guess it was merely a re-working the UN Charter. --[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 20:30, 7 August 2007 (CDT)</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Avazina&diff=131577User:Avazina2007-08-07T23:18:53Z<p>Avazina: /* Important Links */ Added More Links</p>
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<div>== Biographical Information ==<br />
*'''Name:''' CR. Carter<br />
*'''Author:''' [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Confederate_States_of_America_%28Our_America%29 Confederate States of America (Our America)] in the [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Althistory] wikis<br />
*'''Birthdate:''' 21 December 1800<br />
*'''Residence:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Parish Vernon Parish], Louisiana, USA<br />
*'''Alumus:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_College Louisiana College] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineville%2C_Louisiana Pineville], LA Graduated in 1992<br />
*'''Degree:''' BA in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_southern_United_States Southern US History] <br />
*'''Postgrad Studies:''' Psychology<br />
*'''Occupation:''' Grad Student (Part-time) / Roleplayer at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Polk%2C_Louisiana Fort Polk (JRTC)]<br />
*'''Political Compass ([http://jpagel.net/politicalcompass/index.php link]):''' Economic Left/Right: '''-0.25''', Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: '''-0.62'''<br />
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*[[Lee Adama]]<br />
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*[[Karl Agathon]]<br />
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*[[Samuel Anders]]<br />
:*[[Michael Trucco]]<br />
*[[Crashdown]]<br />
:*[[Samuel Witwer]]<br />
*[[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
:*[[Callum Keith Rennie]]<br />
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*[[:Category:Colonial Government (RDM)|The Government of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[[:Category:Colonial Craft (RDM)|Ships of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[[:Category:Cylons (RDM)|The Cylons]]<br />
*[[:Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)|Religion of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[[:Category:Colonial Military (RDM)|Military of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[[:Category:Colonial Society (RDM)|Society of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[[Colonial seal|The Great Seal of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[http://www.battlestarforum.com/ Battlestar Galactica Forum]</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Articles_of_Colonization/Archive_1&diff=131576Talk:Articles of Colonization/Archive 12007-08-07T23:10:03Z<p>Avazina: New page: Since the reimagined Battlestar Galactica has taken off in popularity, I wonder if the writers for the series will eventually compile the compete Articles of Colonization; as the write...</p>
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<div>Since the reimagined Battlestar Galactica has taken off in popularity, I wonder if the writers for the series will eventually compile the compete [[Articles of Colonization]]; as the writer for another, much older, scifi series did by writing the Charter for the United Federation of Planets? [[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 18:10, 7 August 2007 (CDT)</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Avazina&diff=131574User:Avazina2007-08-07T23:01:58Z<p>Avazina: /* Important Links */ Added More Links</p>
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<div>== Biographical Information ==<br />
*'''Name:''' CR. Carter<br />
*'''Author:''' [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Confederate_States_of_America_%28Our_America%29 Confederate States of America (Our America)] in the [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Althistory] wikis<br />
*'''Birthdate:''' 21 December 1800<br />
*'''Residence:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Parish Vernon Parish], Louisiana, USA<br />
*'''Alumus:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_College Louisiana College] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineville%2C_Louisiana Pineville], LA Graduated in 1992<br />
*'''Degree:''' BA in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_southern_United_States Southern US History] <br />
*'''Postgrad Studies:''' Psychology<br />
*'''Occupation:''' Grad Student (Part-time) / Roleplayer at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Polk%2C_Louisiana Fort Polk (JRTC)]<br />
*'''Political Compass ([http://jpagel.net/politicalcompass/index.php link]):''' Economic Left/Right: '''-0.25''', Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: '''-0.62'''<br />
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== Important Links ==<br />
*[[Lee Adama]]<br />
:*[[Jamie Bamber]]<br />
*[[Karl Agathon]]<br />
:*[[Tahmoh Penikett]]<br />
*[[Samuel Anders]]<br />
:*[[Michael Trucco]]<br />
*[[Crashdown]]<br />
:*[[Samuel Witwer]]<br />
*[[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
:*[[Callum Keith Rennie]]<br />
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*[[Portal:Ships|Ships of Battlestar Galactica]]<br />
*[[Portal:Cylons|The Cylons]]<br />
*[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Religion of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[[Colonial seal|The Great Seal of the Twelve Colonies]]<br />
*[http://www.battlestarforum.com/ Battlestar Galactica Forum]</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Avazina&diff=131539User:Avazina2007-08-07T04:40:09Z<p>Avazina: Added Sub-headers and links</p>
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<div>== Biographical Information ==<br />
*'''Name:''' CR. Carter<br />
*'''Author:''' [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Confederate_States_of_America_%28Our_America%29 Confederate States of America (Our America)] in the [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Althistory] wikis<br />
*'''Birthdate:''' 21 December 1800<br />
*'''Residence:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Parish Vernon Parish], Louisiana, USA<br />
*'''Alumus:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_College Louisiana College] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineville%2C_Louisiana Pineville], LA Graduated in 1992<br />
*'''Degree:''' BA in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_southern_United_States Southern US History] <br />
*'''Postgrad Studies:''' Psychology<br />
*'''Occupation:''' Grad Student (Part-time) / Roleplayer at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Polk%2C_Louisiana Fort Polk (JRTC)]<br />
*'''Political Compass ([http://jpagel.net/politicalcompass/index.php link]):''' Economic Left/Right: '''-0.25''', Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: '''-0.62'''<br />
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== Important Links ==<br />
*[[Lee Adama]]<br />
:*[[Jamie Bamber]]<br />
*[[Karl Agathon]]<br />
:*[[Tahmoh Penikett]]<br />
*[[Samuel Anders]]<br />
:*[[Michael Trucco]]<br />
*[[Crashdown]]<br />
:*[[Samuel Witwer]]<br />
*[[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
:*[[Callum Keith Rennie]]<br />
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*[[Portal:Ships|Ships of Battlestar Galactica]]<br />
*[[Portal:Cylons|The Cylons]]<br />
*[http://www.battlestarforum.com/ Battlestar Galactica Forum]</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kara_Thrace/Archive_1&diff=114686Talk:Kara Thrace/Archive 12007-03-28T03:39:08Z<p>Avazina: /* '''Kara Thrace DEAD?''' */</p>
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<div>As far as you actually see in the episode 'The Farm' there is only one new abdominal scar on Starbuck. This would suggest that only one of her ovaries has been removed, not two. The podcast may have more precise information, however.<br />
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:The phrase "[[CAG]] Second in Command" is a kind of awkward consturction. Can anybody think of a better way to describe her role? [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 21:41, October 16, 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't believe that she actually has a title. She's an instructor and Viper pilot... and a crack shot with a sniper rifle. (How she got ''that'' talent is likely a subject of interest...) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 16 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::: I agree on all counts. The thing is that we know she's understood to be in charge whenever Apollo is indisposed, but CAG Second in Command just doesn't sound quite right. I just don't know what would sound better [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:27, October 16, 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::Senior pilot after Capt. Lee Adama? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:35, 16 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Vice-CAG? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 15:45, 8 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Military wise, she would be the Air Group Executive Officer were she second in command of the pilots. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:34, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Verb Tense for Zak Stuff==<br />
I reviewed the standards and conventions page, and it seems like the Zak Adama stuff really deserved the past tense since it occured "prior to the Mini-Series". The example in the second paragraph references Zak's funeral, which seems to be a pretty fitting example to apply here. So does all the pre-mini-series go to past tense, or are we going to 100% present tense (in which case we'd probably need to change the standards and conventions page). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:28, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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: We can change the standards if we want (I mean--''we''wrote tham, after all), but I think it makes sense... As I was editing that, I was already getting confused about tenses and such, and I only really touched the one paragraph. Joemc72 and I already sorted it out on [[User talk:Day#Past vs Present tense|my Talk page]]. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:31, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:: I went ahead and reverted it back. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:32, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::SV is correct. Events from the miniseries on are present tense unless confusing. Flashbacks of events prior to miniseries and regular series should be worked as past tense. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Paging Dr. Freud==<br />
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In the miniseries, Thrace doesn't tell Adama she doesn't ''have'' a big enough dipstick for his job, but that ''she's'' not a big enough dipstick. It's one line, but this is an unintentionally funny rendering of the quote... if you consider all the folks who were against Starbuck being a girl... [[User:Below|Below]] 16:20, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
:Thrace has authority issues when crossed, yes. Not as cavalier about it as the original Starbuck, but then, this is a darker world. When compelled to, however, Thrace can obviously manage the work, even excel. She's still second CAG, now that Adama has returned to that status, and can effectively lead an attack as CAGs do, title or no. Thrace does have the "dipstick"; but she HATES having to deal with mentalities like Tigh. But she hates being out of the pilot's seat more, which gives her a greater sense of control than anything. I'd have Thrace plan any attack, anytime. And, in keeping with the dipstick metaphor, you can always expect her to be on top in almost anything she does. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:08, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
Grin. I was thinking that an additional dimension to her authority issues was seen in the last few episodes. I think it would be interesting to integrate into this article if possible, but tonight's episode might have some more to say first. We know she had an abusive mother who served in the military, and identifies with her father. The Admiral is a positive father figure to her, but she's disgusted by Tigh, especially his drinking. (Was alcohol her mother's personal tinderbox?) <br />
Enter Cain. On the one hand, Cain identifies with Thrace and gives her positive reinforcement: eg Do you always get what you want, I usually do. In my viewing, Sackhoff plays it as being both nervous and touched by Cain's approval. (Her mother had said she'd never account to anything: here's a much higher ranking woman claiming that she's capable of greatness.) Pretty clear that Cain wants to mentor Thrace, and sees a "younger self" in the pilot. At the same time, it's not a stretch to parallel the violent, volatile Cain with Thrace's absent, abusive mother. (Michelle Forbes would be a really interesting Medea.)<br />
So Kara is being asked to choose between father figure Adama and mother figure Cain, and shooting Cain may feel like a kind of matricide.<br />
Usually when TV shows or movies set up a young character against "two parents," one good, one bad, it's a young man torn between two fathers or father figures (witness "A Bronx Tale," "Platoon," "Star Wars", many others), so it's interesting to see that dynamic with a young woman. One more reason I love watching this show. [[User:Below|Below]] 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Oh yes; for the past few weeks I've been repeatedly asking on the official site's RDM blog thread if they ''intentionally'' wrote it that Starbuck was won over by Cain because it was like her mother giving her the recognition that she never got. Of course, I ask a lot of things there....(I was annoyed when in his recent blog update yesterday A) people sometimes ask questions he's already answered many months ago (like, "Where is Boxey" and "Why don't we see the engine room?"), so B) he didn't realize this (I don't blame him, he's got a lot of work to do) so he wasted a blog entry answering questions that were already answered....except one, btw; apparently, the Presidential election is coming up soon. Probably not by the season 2 finale, obviously, but I got the impression he's playing around with script stuff for it now, and who knows? It might be the season 3 cliffhanger...or at most the season 3 finale. This, of course, would prove that they have indeed jumped several months ahead (once again, how could 2 months pass during Flight of the Phoenix?...but I digress....). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 11:46, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:: How, you ask? Easily. See, all that we saw on the show was actually in ''fast forward''... See, for that month, Bill had decided that everyone was to do everything at ''one sixth'' of normal speed... Thus, all that took two months. I thought that was obvious. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:01, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Scar==<br />
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What's with the "Kara is CAG in Scar" business? It looked like Apollo was still in charge to me. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 00:27, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Kara was responsible for briefings and I'm pretty sure I heard her referred to as CAG a few times in the episode. --Ltcrashdown 00:29, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Negative, Lieutenant. Kat said to Kara, "The CAG wants us spread out so we can cover more ground. It's right here in the briefings." I'm pretty sure that's accurate, anyway. Someone check me. Anyway, I thought it was clear she was talking about Lee. Now... Why was she doing all the briefings? I have no idea... I thought for a bit that maybe Lee was on ''Pegasus'' doing some kind of fleet-wide-CAG duties, but ''Peggie'' was off protecting the Fleet, so he'd probably not be jumping back and forth to almost have sex with Kara and all that. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:56, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Because Lee has seniority over Kara (both are Captains, but he's been one longer, etc) he is in charge of their whole widescale operation. I mean, the guy can't be awake 24 horus a day and be everywhere at once. He needs to delegate duties now and again like this. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:59, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Serial Number==<br />
It's partially visible on the dogtag she gave Anders in "Downloaded": ?? 462753 - the two question marks would be letters, and I think the second one is a T, but Lucy Lawless's hand is covering the first. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:30, 26 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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I found that Galacticastation has a great screencape [http://www.galacticastation.com/Screencaps/S2/218/bscap414.htm here] of her ID tag. Can you guys tell what it is? It's not a T, it's....I can't tell if it says "ser" for "service number" (thus, not actually part of of the number), or "3er"...which seems odd as this is lowercase.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:03, 21 June 2006 (CDT)<br />
::My first impression is that it is "ser" for serial or service number for the reason it is not together with the number. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:36, 21 June 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:Yeah, but Helo has a "PK" prefix to his serial number and Boomer had a "T" prefix. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:07, 21 June 2006 (CDT)<br />
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: Just a note, in "[[Collaborators]]" we see the full shot on her id tags during her conversation with Anders. It is prefixed by "ser" (sans quotes). If anyone can get a screencap to confirm, that'd be nice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:32, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:It says "ser 462753". Screencap here: [http://galacticastation.com/Screencaps/s3/304/lowres/bscap381.htm] --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:40, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:: Thought so. Thanks Serenity. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:45, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Major Pre-Season 3 Revision ==<br />
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As with the central characters [[William Adama]], [[Laura Roslin]], and [[Gaius Baltar]], I've heavily concised this article, removing extraneous episode information, to prepare it for season 3 information. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:37, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
:I suggest marking this article for cleanup and revision. Kara's biography is still a bit too long and quite messy - it's actually one big unclear stream of facts. I think it should be divided into a few parts, significant and dividing episodes being "Kobol's Last Gleaming", "Home", "Lay Down Your Burdens" and "Collaborators". -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 03:42, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:I agree to the cleanup and revision of this article, particularly the content added since season 3, as it is inconsistently written. (I've tried to clean it up, but a rewrite is in order for tone issues.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:29, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Socrata Thrace? ==<br />
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I've removed this reference because the reference was far too vague; the reference pertains to Thrace's mother, "Socrata".<br />
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: ''[[Socrata]] (revealed in TV Guide Magazine)''<br />
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If anyone can be specific as to the reference, including but not limited to page number, issue number, publication date, et al, please feel free to add it back in. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:49, 19 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Done and done. I refrained from the context, though, because what little there is I fear maybe spoilery. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:34, 11 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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=='''Kara Thrace DEAD?'''==<br />
Now I'm disappointed in Battlestar Galactica. Starbuck was killed off Sunday night or at least we are led to believe she is dead. I like to think there is more to this than what was shown.--[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 20:21, 6 March 2007 (CST)<br />
:She is definitely dead, but that means nothing in fiction. You're probably right. Don't feel too disappointed; the classical heroes of Greek mythology suffered and died often to fulfill their missions. We're very used to our western heroes always riding off into the sunset to fight another day. Some day the sun will no longer rise. There was a bit in the episode that suggests that Kara is visiting the space between life and death; we'll see. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:47, 6 March 2007 (CST)<br />
::Don't worry, she's merely ascended to another plane of existence. She'll be back next season as an Ancient. I mean, Final Five. Wow, deja vu Atlantis. --[[User:David Templar|David Templar]] 12:49, 7 March 2007 (CST)<br />
:::There's two reasons I'm not accepting her as dead. First, there was heavy foreshadowing in Rapture and Maelstrom hinting that she may be a Cylon. Second, she did not die the way the hero with an important destiny is supposed to. If she died in Resurrection Ship, Scar or The Passage I'd accept it. If she got captured by the Cylons and died trying to escape I'd accept it. If she got captured by the Cylons, decided she had no hope of escape or rescue and killed herself in a final act of defiance against Leoben I'd accept it. I won't accept this until the final five are revealed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:19, 7 March 2007 (CST)<br />
::::I stand by my idea that she'll be the first of the RDM series' [[Beings of Light]]. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:27, 8 March 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::Didn't she say something like episodes 13 and 19 will be very important for her character? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 12:53, 8 March 2007 (CST)<br />
::::::Eick said that 16 (Maelstrom) and 19 (Crossroads Pt. II) will have a lot of revelations on Lee and Kara's romance. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 14:50, 8 March 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::I think that Starbuck will be back, but not Katee Sackhoff. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:19, 8 March 2007 (CST)<br />
::::::::Interesting idea... how do you think they'd implement it? (If it were to happen, that is.) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:25, 8 March 2007 (CST)<br />
:::::::::I think the two most likely possibilities are that Lee or Anders finds a note or letter among Kara's belongings, or that Kara is revealed to be a Cylon. I don't think they'll recast her because it's a tacky and overused soap opera and pulp sci-fi cliche. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:00, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::::Kara cant be a cylon because she was a child and Cylons do not make copies of already or once living people. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 06:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::::Kara remembers being a child. Baltar remembers being a child too, that doesn't disqualify him, and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] also probably has false childhood memories. And Socrata could be another Cylon, or a hallucination, there's no proof that anyone other than Kara saw her. I'm not saying she's a Cylon, I'm just saying that the possibility hasn't been eliminated. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::::::AFAIK, Socrata served in the 1st war. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:52, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::::::::Yes, Socrata served in the first war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 22:22, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::::::::According to Kara's own memories her mother was a veteran of the first war, I'm not aware of any third-party corroboration, and it's an established fact that Cylon sleeper agents have false memories. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:38, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::::::::::Socrata received some kind of medal for service in the war. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 05:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::::::::::And Boomer received elephant sculptures from her parents when she went to Fleet Academy. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:50, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
::::::::::::::::::There's a difference. There must be records in military archives of Socrata's medal (If any archives still exist, that is). Records that date back to the first war. The Cylons weren't infiltrating then. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:51, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:::::::::::::::::::Who saw or heard of Socrata and had both the motivation and the opportunity to check the military records? We know that Boomer managed to get past any background checks and identity verification the colonial military may have used. We also know that colonial computer security was extremely lax during the fall of the twelve colonies. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 19:06, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
One possibility is that Thrace (in a past life as the Lord of Kobol, Aurora) helped ''build'' the Temple of Five, knew what the Earth hologram was in "Home, Part II" because she experienced it before, and that, while we may not see her again, bodily, Thrace will be the guiding force (through artifacts and other finds) that will be reflected in not-too-subtle messages on the path, leaving clues as to the clue's author (Thrace). Perhaps Kara Thrace, not Laura Roslin, is the "dying leader" in the Pythian Prophecy. Just a wild speculation, but it fits with some clues, particularly the Eye. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:40, 13 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:I still think Starbuck is the first of the RDM [[Beings of Light]]. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 06:01, 14 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
---Bruzer you know part of my theory but for everyone here I'll post it as well. I personaly belive it will come down to Starbuck being a "Jesus" figure from a Lord of Kobol I'm not 100% sure how the writers will make this happen but I think what we saw in that ep was her basically going to meet "daddy". The speculation about her being one of the final 5 isn't true, she is meant for much more then that. I also think in addition to the final 5 we will see the Lords of Kobol on Sunday, this will be the biggest shock of the year as well. You know how the writers like to take us, make us expect to be surprised one way but shock us with something new in the finales. We may even see Baltar be found not guilty, on a side note I think he's the same as Starbuck here but his "daddy" is who I will call Hades, the Fallen Lord who became the Cylon god. --[[User:Hentai Jeff|Hentai Jeff]] 05:49, 21 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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==='''Kara Thrace is back!!'''===<br />
I wondered how they were going to play out Kara's "Death" and I'm satisfied if not even more intrigued by the out come. Glad she is back.--[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 22:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
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== The Destiny ==<br />
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Not wanting to separate this into its own article, and knowing that this article may not grow for a while (if ever), I added some [[BW:CJ#Derived Content|sourced speculation]] on Thrace's destiny based on series information in an attempt to tie it together. Hopefully it may enlighten some readers as to the sum data on what is known and lead some insight for the character's actions in the future (if any). Ron Moore does [[Podcast:Maelstrom|note]] that the character's "destiny" was not merely to die in a Viper, so this likelihood of something about the character being revealed in season 4 is a probability. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:37, 16 March 2007 (CDT)<br />
:As I have said. '''[[Beings of Light|BEING. OF. FRAKKING. LIGHT.]]''' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kara_Thrace/Archive_1&diff=111642Talk:Kara Thrace/Archive 12007-03-07T02:21:02Z<p>Avazina: </p>
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<div>As far as you actually see in the episode 'The Farm' there is only one new abdominal scar on Starbuck. This would suggest that only one of her ovaries has been removed, not two. The podcast may have more precise information, however.<br />
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:The phrase "[[CAG]] Second in Command" is a kind of awkward consturction. Can anybody think of a better way to describe her role? [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 21:41, October 16, 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:: I don't believe that she actually has a title. She's an instructor and Viper pilot... and a crack shot with a sniper rifle. (How she got ''that'' talent is likely a subject of interest...) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 16 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::: I agree on all counts. The thing is that we know she's understood to be in charge whenever Apollo is indisposed, but CAG Second in Command just doesn't sound quite right. I just don't know what would sound better [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:27, October 16, 2005 (EDT)<br />
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::::Senior pilot after Capt. Lee Adama? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:35, 16 October 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Vice-CAG? [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 15:45, 8 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Military wise, she would be the Air Group Executive Officer were she second in command of the pilots. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:34, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Verb Tense for Zak Stuff==<br />
I reviewed the standards and conventions page, and it seems like the Zak Adama stuff really deserved the past tense since it occured "prior to the Mini-Series". The example in the second paragraph references Zak's funeral, which seems to be a pretty fitting example to apply here. So does all the pre-mini-series go to past tense, or are we going to 100% present tense (in which case we'd probably need to change the standards and conventions page). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:28, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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: We can change the standards if we want (I mean--''we''wrote tham, after all), but I think it makes sense... As I was editing that, I was already getting confused about tenses and such, and I only really touched the one paragraph. Joemc72 and I already sorted it out on [[User talk:Day#Past vs Present tense|my Talk page]]. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:31, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:: I went ahead and reverted it back. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:32, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::SV is correct. Events from the miniseries on are present tense unless confusing. Flashbacks of events prior to miniseries and regular series should be worked as past tense. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:10, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Paging Dr. Freud==<br />
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In the miniseries, Thrace doesn't tell Adama she doesn't ''have'' a big enough dipstick for his job, but that ''she's'' not a big enough dipstick. It's one line, but this is an unintentionally funny rendering of the quote... if you consider all the folks who were against Starbuck being a girl... [[User:Below|Below]] 16:20, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
:Thrace has authority issues when crossed, yes. Not as cavalier about it as the original Starbuck, but then, this is a darker world. When compelled to, however, Thrace can obviously manage the work, even excel. She's still second CAG, now that Adama has returned to that status, and can effectively lead an attack as CAGs do, title or no. Thrace does have the "dipstick"; but she HATES having to deal with mentalities like Tigh. But she hates being out of the pilot's seat more, which gives her a greater sense of control than anything. I'd have Thrace plan any attack, anytime. And, in keeping with the dipstick metaphor, you can always expect her to be on top in almost anything she does. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:08, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
Grin. I was thinking that an additional dimension to her authority issues was seen in the last few episodes. I think it would be interesting to integrate into this article if possible, but tonight's episode might have some more to say first. We know she had an abusive mother who served in the military, and identifies with her father. The Admiral is a positive father figure to her, but she's disgusted by Tigh, especially his drinking. (Was alcohol her mother's personal tinderbox?) <br />
Enter Cain. On the one hand, Cain identifies with Thrace and gives her positive reinforcement: eg Do you always get what you want, I usually do. In my viewing, Sackhoff plays it as being both nervous and touched by Cain's approval. (Her mother had said she'd never account to anything: here's a much higher ranking woman claiming that she's capable of greatness.) Pretty clear that Cain wants to mentor Thrace, and sees a "younger self" in the pilot. At the same time, it's not a stretch to parallel the violent, volatile Cain with Thrace's absent, abusive mother. (Michelle Forbes would be a really interesting Medea.)<br />
So Kara is being asked to choose between father figure Adama and mother figure Cain, and shooting Cain may feel like a kind of matricide.<br />
Usually when TV shows or movies set up a young character against "two parents," one good, one bad, it's a young man torn between two fathers or father figures (witness "A Bronx Tale," "Platoon," "Star Wars", many others), so it's interesting to see that dynamic with a young woman. One more reason I love watching this show. [[User:Below|Below]] 11:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Oh yes; for the past few weeks I've been repeatedly asking on the official site's RDM blog thread if they ''intentionally'' wrote it that Starbuck was won over by Cain because it was like her mother giving her the recognition that she never got. Of course, I ask a lot of things there....(I was annoyed when in his recent blog update yesterday A) people sometimes ask questions he's already answered many months ago (like, "Where is Boxey" and "Why don't we see the engine room?"), so B) he didn't realize this (I don't blame him, he's got a lot of work to do) so he wasted a blog entry answering questions that were already answered....except one, btw; apparently, the Presidential election is coming up soon. Probably not by the season 2 finale, obviously, but I got the impression he's playing around with script stuff for it now, and who knows? It might be the season 3 cliffhanger...or at most the season 3 finale. This, of course, would prove that they have indeed jumped several months ahead (once again, how could 2 months pass during Flight of the Phoenix?...but I digress....). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 11:46, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:: How, you ask? Easily. See, all that we saw on the show was actually in ''fast forward''... See, for that month, Bill had decided that everyone was to do everything at ''one sixth'' of normal speed... Thus, all that took two months. I thought that was obvious. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:01, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Scar==<br />
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What's with the "Kara is CAG in Scar" business? It looked like Apollo was still in charge to me. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 00:27, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Kara was responsible for briefings and I'm pretty sure I heard her referred to as CAG a few times in the episode. --Ltcrashdown 00:29, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Negative, Lieutenant. Kat said to Kara, "The CAG wants us spread out so we can cover more ground. It's right here in the briefings." I'm pretty sure that's accurate, anyway. Someone check me. Anyway, I thought it was clear she was talking about Lee. Now... Why was she doing all the briefings? I have no idea... I thought for a bit that maybe Lee was on ''Pegasus'' doing some kind of fleet-wide-CAG duties, but ''Peggie'' was off protecting the Fleet, so he'd probably not be jumping back and forth to almost have sex with Kara and all that. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:56, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Because Lee has seniority over Kara (both are Captains, but he's been one longer, etc) he is in charge of their whole widescale operation. I mean, the guy can't be awake 24 horus a day and be everywhere at once. He needs to delegate duties now and again like this. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:59, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Serial Number==<br />
It's partially visible on the dogtag she gave Anders in "Downloaded": ?? 462753 - the two question marks would be letters, and I think the second one is a T, but Lucy Lawless's hand is covering the first. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:30, 26 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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I found that Galacticastation has a great screencape [http://www.galacticastation.com/Screencaps/S2/218/bscap414.htm here] of her ID tag. Can you guys tell what it is? It's not a T, it's....I can't tell if it says "ser" for "service number" (thus, not actually part of of the number), or "3er"...which seems odd as this is lowercase.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:03, 21 June 2006 (CDT)<br />
::My first impression is that it is "ser" for serial or service number for the reason it is not together with the number. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:36, 21 June 2006 (CDT)<br />
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:Yeah, but Helo has a "PK" prefix to his serial number and Boomer had a "T" prefix. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:07, 21 June 2006 (CDT)<br />
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: Just a note, in "[[Collaborators]]" we see the full shot on her id tags during her conversation with Anders. It is prefixed by "ser" (sans quotes). If anyone can get a screencap to confirm, that'd be nice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:32, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:It says "ser 462753". Screencap here: [http://galacticastation.com/Screencaps/s3/304/lowres/bscap381.htm] --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:40, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:: Thought so. Thanks Serenity. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:45, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Major Pre-Season 3 Revision ==<br />
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As with the central characters [[William Adama]], [[Laura Roslin]], and [[Gaius Baltar]], I've heavily concised this article, removing extraneous episode information, to prepare it for season 3 information. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:37, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
:I suggest marking this article for cleanup and revision. Kara's biography is still a bit too long and quite messy - it's actually one big unclear stream of facts. I think it should be divided into a few parts, significant and dividing episodes being "Kobol's Last Gleaming", "Home", "Lay Down Your Burdens" and "Collaborators". -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 03:42, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
:I agree to the cleanup and revision of this article, particularly the content added since season 3, as it is inconsistently written. (I've tried to clean it up, but a rewrite is in order for tone issues.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:29, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Socrata Thrace? ==<br />
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I've removed this reference because the reference was far too vague; the reference pertains to Thrace's mother, "Socrata".<br />
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: ''[[Socrata]] (revealed in TV Guide Magazine)''<br />
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If anyone can be specific as to the reference, including but not limited to page number, issue number, publication date, et al, please feel free to add it back in. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:49, 19 October 2006 (CDT)<br />
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Done and done. I refrained from the context, though, because what little there is I fear maybe spoilery. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:34, 11 December 2006 (CST)<br />
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=='''Kara Thrace DEAD?'''==<br />
Now I'm disappointed in Battlestar Galactica. Starbuck was killed off Sunday night or at least we are led to believe she is dead. I like to think there is more to this than what was shown.--[[User:Avazina|Avazina]] 20:21, 6 March 2007 (CST)</div>Avazinahttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Avazina&diff=111595User:Avazina2007-03-06T20:12:25Z<p>Avazina: Added some basic personal information.</p>
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<div>*'''Name:''' CR. Carter<br />
*'''Author:''' [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Confederate_States_of_America_%28Our_America%29 Confederate States of America (Our America)] in the [http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Althistory] wikis<br />
*'''Birthdate:''' 21 December 1800<br />
*'''Residence:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_Parish Vernon Parish], Louisiana, USA<br />
*'''Alumus:''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_College Louisiana College] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineville%2C_Louisiana Pineville], LA Graduated in 1992<br />
*'''Degree:''' BA in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_southern_United_States Southern US History] <br />
*'''Postgrad Studies:''' Psychology<br />
*'''Occupation:''' Grad Student (Part-time) / Roleplayer at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Polk%2C_Louisiana Fort Polk (JRTC)]<br />
*'''Political Compass ([http://jpagel.net/politicalcompass/index.php link]):''' Economic Left/Right: '''-0.25''', Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: '''-0.62'''</div>Avazina