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2007-04-19T20:07:04Z

Zerak-Tul: Thanks for the welcome

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==Updated User Page==
I stole my revised article design from Mercifull, and is living proof that I can't wiki code worth a damn. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:04, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:He stole the design from me. Joe stole it from him. lol. Been going around. heh. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:14, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::It continues the rounds; I've "borrowed" now. =) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 23:04, 12 January 2007 (CST)

==Response to EoJ Reversion==

Hi, just wanted to drop a quick line regarding the rollback to the article summary. I posted a comment regarding it on the Talk page, but wanted to say that as it was written, it seems too narrative. Granted, my changes may have confused readers, but I feel it needs to be consolidated. What do you think? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 12:26, 20 December 2006 (CST) ([[User_Talk:Sgtpayne|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Sgtpayne|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Sgtpayne|E]])

:Shane had a good idea. We could break it up into acts (commercial breaks) but we should keep the relative order. I'll give that a try if someone hasn't done so; I have the episode downloaded. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:03, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Response from Meteor==
Hi you added something to my talk page recently. I just rewatched the scene in Kobol's Last Gleaming part 1 where Elosha, Billy and Roslin discuss Kobol. Billy says the ruins on the planet are 2,000 years old. Elosha responds that this corresponds with when the 13 (not 12) colonies left Kobol.

While I agree you're probably right about the 13th colony leaving for earth 3,600 years ago and the other 12 colonies only a mere 2,000 years I do think the article should reflect the fact that Elosha's comment is not entirely accurate. [[User:Meteor|Meteor]]

== Response from MatthewFenton regarding clean up ==

Hey. Responded at the talk page showing some concerns as to why I believe it needs a clean up - if you don't think it needs a clean up then feel free to remove the tag, I've shown my concerns at least, hopefully it can make the article better. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 17:39, 1 January 2007 (CST)

== Red Pill ==

[[Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_bureaucratship/Spencerian|Follow the "Yellow" Link]] [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:46, 5 January 2007 (CST)
:Strange... it's not yellow for me. (Monobook has either blue or pinkish). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:58, 5 January 2007 (CST)
::Aww...this is very cool, one way or another. I'll fill it in a little later today. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:15, 5 January 2007 (CST)

== Welcome, Young Padawan! ==

Congrats! Here's a [[w:Squeegee|Squeegee]], and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Bureaucrats|some pertinent reading material from Wikipedia]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:04, 13 January 2007 (CST)
:Have we seen a [[Squeegee Boy]] in BSG yet? :-) Congrats Spenc! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:07, 13 January 2007 (CST)
::Congrats man, you've earned it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:54, 13 January 2007 (CST)
::: Congratulations ;-) [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:08, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:::: Congratulations! --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 08:06, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Much obliged, everyone. Thanks. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:58, 14 January 2007 (CST)

== Thanks ==

Just wanted to thank you for the advice you left on my talk page, next time I'll try not to jump the gun without better researching.--[[User:The One True Fred|The One True Fred]] 08:00, 26 January 2007 (CST)
:We've all done it before, but its not much of a learning curve. Once you know what's probably rumor and what's good, it only makes contributing and reading things here that much more intriguing. Don't let it sway your enthusiasm! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:05, 26 January 2007 (CST)

== Howdy ==

Are you a fan of the flying bikes of doom? [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 04:44, 27 January 2007 (CST)
:Um, I have no idea what that is. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:10, 27 January 2007 (CST)
::"[[Flying motorcycle]]" I presume --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:12, 27 January 2007 (CST)
::: Galactica 1980 :-P [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 08:22, 27 January 2007 (CST)
::::Oh, lords, no. It's only ten episodes, but because of its horror I blame it for my social inadequacies in high school, my acne, the heartbreak of psoriasis and global warming. Who can I sue? Is that Oprah calling...? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:33, 27 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Also, FYI, Dr. Phil on line 5. --[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:59, 27 January 2007 (CST)

== The origin of mankind ==

I noticed a comment in my talk about why you removed notes about the real Earth as homeworld for Humanity some months ago, feeling they were fanwanking. At the same time you pointed to pages about the sacred scrolls and various fan theories about the Exodus or Exodi in the show. In order to learn, I wanted to understand the difference. Is it just where I put it? My goal was to add only factual information. While I realize that the Earth in the show is going to be somewhat fictionalized (if we ever see it) there is an important difference between an Earth that had a different history than ours, and one where the science is so different that you might as well say Mars had canals (a common SF trope from before the 60s) or that rocks fall up.

However, where is the proper place to speculate what theories of Earth are consistent with what the writers are trying to show us in the program? The question of whether, in the re-imagined series, Earth is a colony of Kobol, or instead Kobol is a colony of Earth (and why that was covered up) is an important one to the show, and there are a number of clues in the show pointing to the latter case. {{unsigned|Bradtem}}

:I agree that removing your comments while allowing the convoluted theories in [[Sacred Scrolls]] stand isn't right. It's either both or neither. And if I ever saw fanwank, that's it. I'm toying with the idea of deleting that eyesore and presenting both theories very briefly, but without going into much detail. In fact that's what I'm going to do now. I've already mentioned that on the talk page there as well. However, I don't think those theories should be expanded much further there, as they go beyond the scope of "Sacred Scrolls" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:18, 1 February 2007 (CST)

::I tend to agree with Serenity, Bradtem. Obviously the writers want to play with the viewers and make the more "thoughtful" of us wonder about this chicken-and-egg origin. At the same time, they purposefully don't indicate if BSG occurs in real-world Earth's past, present or future. As a result, we shouldn't speculate in detail, thus the concision or removal of your contribution (my apologies as I can't remember the specific reasons and haven't time right now to delve through the history for review). As Serenity noted, we should touch on the possibilities, but we must not go into elaborate "hypotheses" about it as that is strictly fanwanking. A few short definitive notes based on what has aired, and we must leave the rest of the speculation to the talk pages of the article or the reader's imagination. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:02, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::I think his confusion stems from the fact that you linked him to a page that contained far more baseless speculation than his [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Earth&diff=prev&oldid=88518 relatively short addition] you removed. It looked like you removed something that was fine elsewhere. He didn't even really speculate, but presented a scientific fact. Personally I agree with it, and hate those "we don't really have to pay attention to science. They can do what they want" arguments. Of course there is the possibility of BSG taking place in an alternate universe which has also been hinted at in podcasts/interviews.
:::But as you said, that's a discussion more suitable for forums, and a short outline of each point of view probably suffices here. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:25, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::::I understand now. Thanks for the clarification. The whole subject is too confusing, which means we're doing the right thing in concising it in the first place. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:46, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::While the theories and speculation may be fanwanks, tracking down the real clues found within the show that back up or refute speculations is a worthwhile function for a wiki, in my view. However, it does mean you probably need to make references to the theories to understand why a real canonical detail is important to note. For example, Adama calls the Lagoon Nebula by the name M8, which is an 18th century Earth designation. That's either a writing error or pretty hard evidence regarding theories of the origin of Kobol and the colonies in the show. Either way it's worth noting, and the context is important. Sometimes there isn't even a theory. Today you removed an addition to the article of the Temple of 5, where I noted that there are 6 drapes and 5 figures standing on 5 of them, one is vacant. I don't actually know what that means in terms of speculation, but it smells like it's important so I was surprised to see it removed. In addition, my addition of information on Tyrol's reluctance to destroy the temple is also, in my view, important -- Tyrol is demonstrably under some external influence when it comes to the temple, so again I think it's important to understanding the temple, not just to the story of the episode, though I don't yet know why and did not include any speculation as to why. I ask this because it's obviously no fun to contribute items just to have them reverted. I try to stick to facts and information from actual episodes when editing pages that are not meant for speculation. --[[User:Bradtem]]
:::Those are all things that can be added to the episode articles (generally under "Analysis"). The M8 thing is mentioned on [[Home, Part II]] example. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:02, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::::I understand a desire not to repeat all the episode summaries in other places, but everything in an article about a special object or character is from some episode, so does it not make sense to include the key points to understanding the object in question in the article about it? It's a pretty fuzzy line, my view is that you really only want to roll back something that's false or a pointless addition. The line about M8, if it's not a writing error, for example, is arguably the most important clue given in the Temple of Athena scene about the nature of Earth. It would be odd to me to not repeat it both under the episode summary, but also in the pages on Earth and the Tomb. If somebody adds every single thing from an episode, that might be rolled back as redundant. But if they filter what they judge to be the most important things learned about something, that is, if done well, useful information so I would not roll it back.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 15:53, 3 February 2007 (CST)
:::::I understand. There ''is'' a fuzziness to what we do as administrators and other contributors that have been here awhile. I apologize if the edits that we have done have been confusing, as a wiki, while trying to stick to guidelines and policies, can sometimes not enforce them properly, or in this case, may be enforcing too strictly. There are plenty of articles that overlap in content, like [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]] and [[33]]. The key is theme; the battle page details the strategic element only (no character analysis) while the episode summary is heavier on character and event information. False or overly speculative stuff is reverted as soon as we find it, but it's not really a "sin" to add episodic stuff to a item article, it's just less preferred to keep the article fully on topic. The M8 information, as you might know, is detailed in the notes of the Tomb of Athena article. I agree with your thoughts on it, and again I apologize if the situation has taken anything from the fun you get in enjoying the wiki. I'm assuming that I am wrong in this problem because, as a veteran contributor, we can get set in our ways sometimes. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:54, 3 February 2007 (CST)

== Superbowl ==

So colts fan, what's your plans for the big game? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:07, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:Not sure. A bunch of friends are throwing a party, so I thought I'd go and cheer (or cry) with them, show off my new work MacBook Pro laptop...stuff like that. This frakker ''rocks''... :) Anywho, our city is happy just to be in the Big Show; winning will be OK, but, prior to 1984, we normally sided with the Bears, so it's kinda win-win for everybody. Heard that we're vying to be the host for Super Bowl 45 in 2011... ha. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:26, 1 February 2007 (CST)
::The odds are in the colts favor... 7 to 1. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:29, 1 February 2007 (CST)
:::'''''GO COLTS.''''' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:55, 3 February 2007 (CST)

:::::'''''COLTS WIN! COLTS WIN!''''' Wondering where Indianapolis is? See [[w:Indianapolis, Indiana|this link]]. I almost went on Wikipedia tonight to <s>vandalize</s>edit in "Home of the Super Bowl Champion Indianapolis Colts" to the page! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:17, 4 February 2007 (CST)

:::::Very good game....I think. @ the Police "Party" there was a door prize @ the end. A '''''Sirus Satellite System'''''. What are the odds... I won! Both winnars tonight! :-)!!!! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:11, 4 February 2007 (CST)
::::::Are you Sirius?! :) Congrats, Shane! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:31, 5 February 2007 (CST)
:::::::Yeah. Little travel one for the car. Wish it were an XM because I a bigger Baseball fan than Football, but this will be good for Football Season next year. Plus... I don't listen to a lot of music. Guess I have a larger selection now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:05, 5 February 2007 (CST)
:::: I know where Chicago is and I know where the Dolphin Stadium is in FL. But I have no idea where in the US Indianapolis is ^_^. It's gotta be some make-belive city im sure. It conjours up images of [[w:Indy Racing League|Indy car]] racing tho, and an old TV show called [[w:Eerie, Indiana|Eerie, Indiana]] --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:06, 5 February 2007 (CST)

==Question==

Hi Spencerian. I made a boo boo yesterday and included a potential spoiler (marked with spoiler tag) about the final five in that article and not the talk page as I intended (Meteor need sleep...I could have sworn I put it into the discussion page). Should I move it or leave it where it is? I can understand if people don't want to see a spoiler in the actual article especially since it has yet to be confirmed. -Whatever everyone thinks is best...I didn't intend for it to be in the actual article. --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 05 February 2007.
:That's OK, we caught it. While not verified, it's still from a cast member, so we give it some slack but wrapped it in a spoiler tag. No worries. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:19, 6 February 2007 (CST)

== "cylon conspiracy" analisys ==

Hi,
I removed my "cylon conspiracy" Analysis from Epiphanies article (About the cylons causing Roslin's cancer).
[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Epiphanies&oldid=106852]]
I moved it to the discussion. I still think it is good, but I haven't watched all the series including Torn. This is why I would not like to go into the argument now, so I won't find out any spoilers.
Thanks. --[[User:Cyborg|Cyborg]] 10:55, 6 February 2007 (CST)

:Sure thing, Cyborg. ''Battlestar'' takes a lot of work to track all the stuff going down, so it's no biggie. I'll try not to spoil any more for you. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:58, 6 February 2007 (CST)

== Epiphanies "why did altar save Roslin analysis" ==

You removed my question from Epiphanies article. Your answer to me was valuable and was not on the article, so I added it as an analysis.
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Epiphanies&oldid=106884
--[[User:Cyborg|Cyborg]] 11:23, 6 February 2007 (CST)
:Good idea! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:27, 6 February 2007 (CST)

== Podcast Cite ==
The extended editing session podcast will likely not reside in the "Podcast:A Day in the Life" spot, as that spot will likely hold the "regular" podcast (which will hopefully be released someday). As for the naming of the extended podcast... I don't have any strong opinions. I guess whatever the poor schmuck who has to transcribe it wants to call it. I saw your recent addition to [[Seelix]], but didn't want to step on your toes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:23, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:I'm listening to it right now, all 2+ hours of it. Lots of interesting stuff that I'm jotting down for later inclusion. Yes, that one's going to be a super bitch to transcribe. Another summer project, probably. I bet we won't have another one; Ron just got tired or had schedule conflict and thought something different would be good. I'll delink it for now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:26, 22 February 2007 (CST)
::We've really been lucky to have all the regular podcasts be as timely as they have. On the other side of the coin, though, it does save RDM time on the DVD side as they apparently package that up as the DVD commentary so at least they don't have to back into the studio later. I'm definitely a fan of getting the commentary captured as close to production time as possible, as the longer you wait the more chances you have to forget all the really interesting details. I still wish he would have "gone back" and done one for "[[Fragged]]", but wishes and fishes (and whatnot). Maybe he'll do a double-header for this week with this week's episode (doing both podcasts back to back). Scifi.com still claims it will be posted later this week... we'll see if they're true to their word. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:50, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::If someone gets me a link to that extended podcast, I'll be the poor schmuck and make it my holiday project (I've got next week off). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 15:51, 22 February 2007 (CST)
Hallelujah! Podcasts for "A Day in the Life" AND "Dirty Hands" are up. I'm starting into the "Day in the Life". Check out the "Yellow Submarine" link for an interesting Scotch story. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:Good. I'll just continue transcribing the bonus podcast. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 12:13, 27 February 2007 (CST)

== Athena not wearing a spacesuit ==

I answered your delete in the discussion:
[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:A_Measure_of_Salvation&oldid=109483]
--[[User:Cyborg|Cyborg]] 10:20, 23 February 2007 (CST)

== Thanks for the welcome ==

Are you familiar with Thomas Merton? He was a Catholic monk who explored the convergences between Catholicism and Zen Buddhism. I think you'd enjoy his work. [[User:Jeet|Jeet]] 15:47, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Hi, Jeet. I've heard of him. Been reading a book from a Buddhist monk that knew him and also speaks about those convergences. It's a very interesting supplement to becoming Catholic...a wild ride. :) Have fun on the wiki! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:55, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Maelstrom podcast ==
Mind if I steal back the Maelstrom teaser transcription? With ZarekRocks finishing up TSAR, I could probably finish the Maelstrom podcast today. I don't want to step on your toes if you've already started on it, but if you haven't had a chance to get to it yet I might as well finish that one out. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:30, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:Please do. I'm completely unable to do it in the time I hoped. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:27, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

== F-5 ==

I do not [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Final_five&diff=114289&oldid=114277 understand] why you rolled back my edit to the F-5 page? As I stated in my edit summary they are viewable in high-def.. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 18:35, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:Sorry. It wasn't clear what you were implying about what you saw, and given the mysterious nature of the subject and the contentious debate of the photos, I didn't want to reopen the debate. What high-definition shots were you referring to, and (without noting who) could you recognize familiar faces? In any case, the promo picture couldn't be the same people, thus my original change. A little more clarification's needed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
::Over here in the UK we air BSG in hi-def, see time-frame 31:00 to 31:20, you'll see #2s chin, you see #5s fingers and the out-line of #4s face and you see #5s lips, I can upload some screen captures if you'd like. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 05:21, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I understand. I think what others who had contributed in the article were trying to infer the ''identities'' of the figures from the promo shot, and not so much the physical details. Given that, if you have some good screenshots of, say, Three interacting with one of the five in "Rapture," then it would be a good addition, in my opinion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 06:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== 1900x1200 resolution.... ==

wow. ;-) on the desktop. There were to problems during the build. 1) There was a missing thred nut from one of the holders, 2) the sata cables the came with the mobo are to short to reach where the harddrive pins are. Using the "designated" primary hard drive on top of a box with a static free paper right now so I could install vista. ;-) Wried thing though... in the RAM it says 3.25GB not 4GB. Typo or do you think it's the BIOS on the mobo? I also installed all the "primary" drivers and applications on the C: partition so everything is together. After this... things start going on the D partition, which is also 250GB. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 07:13, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:Probably some limitation between your motherboard and OS to address all the memory. It's normal with WindowsXP, but should work in Vista I think --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:36, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::XP 32-bit cannot address more than 4GB of memory. You may want to edit your boot.ini file with '/3GB' switch, which will force windows to use the memory from 3 to 4gb for itself and keep the lower 3GB for applications. You may also want to check out Windows XP x86-64 Edition, which is what i run, simply because it can address 128gb of memory and potentially 16TB. It's a lot faster than the 32-bit version as well...9 second boot time on mine :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 07:50, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Response Greetings ==

You placed a comment in my talk page, about my additions in TOS Propulsion.

I wasn't aware I was being uncivil. I reread my comments, and only "LOL" and the question about knowing science might be so. The question however was just that, a question. The New Series "science" is as far removed from science as you can get, and article about the New Series FTL propulsion, quite frankly, is a mess. The article talks about how the shows producers keep it natural and chose something within science, as if other SF series and books don't; which is of course ridiculous. The whole point of SF is take something that is grounded in science; possibly make up some new science to circumvent something, but basically keep it grounded. It is not called ''Science'' Fiction for nothing. To say the nBSG is the only one who does this, is patently false. Then after saying how natural and non-gimmicky and possible it; one names the ultimate in gimmicky FTL technologies; heck the holy grail in FTL technologies.

e.g. A warp drive (which is an actual scientific theory right down to the math involved actually), requires one to bend space-time only locally around your ship. The nBSG fold drive requires one to take the destination, however far away, bend everything in between around a middle axis until the two points are about close, smash a hole space-time, make it stable for something to pass through, and that which passes through it, has to be shielded enough from the maelstrom of space-time destroying energies to survive. Star Trek's Federation can't do it. They can't fold space, although they have met two races that can, and can't create a stable wormhole. They created a wormhole once, but the moment they sent a probe into it, the wormhole collapsed. It is the ultimate, most advanced, holy grail in FTL technologies; the comparatively primitives of the nBSG can do, what the far more advanced Federation can't.

What has that got to do with the article and my comments? Simple; the whole article talks about the TOS and its creators being loose and never explaining anything; yet nBSG has never explained the jump drive in show either. The original Star Trek never got to show the ship going to warp because of SFX and budgetary constraints, it doesn't seem to get slammed as science fantasy and being loose with science; yet TOS BSG does. The producers may have done so outside of the show, I don't know, but back then, there was no internet, and nobody had any access to the show's creators, and they never got to explain things they couldn't, or wouldn't for whatever reason, put inside the show, making the scientific explanation in nBSG forum pretty much one big fan speculation... without links to sources either direct explanation in show, or explanation by the producers I might ad.

Of course, when I rightly wonder if a change to the article to far better reflect the original series FTL, I'm asked to provide absolute proof that this is so from creators and link it in the article; while the nBSG article about its propulsion doesn't have to apparently; or produce an exact motivation why; which before I even write is, is tossed aside as "fanwank". Which is measuring with two standards; don't you think? Or in short; a change will indeed will not be appreciated; which makes me wonder why TOS fans are asked to help with filling out the TOS articles if any changes and additions made will be deleted as either fanwank or having no evidence because the creators couldn't sit down and write internet articles back then.

I'll just add a link to a TOS tech manual site on its propulsion. --[[User:3DMaster|3DMaster]] 14:37, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== JubalHarshaw ==
The recent Kobol cleanup was the tipping point for me... methinks a Romeo Foxtrot Alpha is in order. Do you want to do the honors, or shall I? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:40, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

:I'll be happy to, right now in fact... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:02, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

== Moves ==

Could you do me a favor and move the following pages?
*[[Template:Deleted discussion]] to [[Template:Deletion discussion]]
*[[:Category:Deleted discussions]] to [[:Category:Deletion discussions]]
Also, please delete the resulting redirects. Thanks in advance.
--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:28, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
:Thanks mate --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:42, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
::I renamed the template, but I cannot rename a category; it can only be deleted. Just create the category with the preferred name. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:44, 19 April 2007 (CDT) ([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])
:::Did that. Thanks for the tip. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:00, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

== Thanks ==
Hello Spencerian, just a quick thanks for the welcome, impressive project you've got going here! [[User:Zerak-Tul|Zerak-Tul]] 15:07, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title. For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''. But that would be effectively changing the title of the book. Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''?
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes. My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork. I do not have access to anything to say otherwise. Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source. It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I". It is the only official documentation that I currently have. I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed. I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast. After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more. I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming). The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them. The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward). They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B). I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts. A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio. Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate. If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman. Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

==French Wiki==
I'd like to help with the french wiki, but I'm having trouble with the episode names. Since [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] doesn't seem to be there really, we would need additional help with the wiki (i.e. setting up some conventions on how to quote episode names for example).--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 14:39, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
: The standards are already on the wiki in [[:fr:Battlestar Wiki:French Translation|Battlestar Wiki:French Translation]] and in-time translation from English polices and translations would be transfered also. If you were an sysop on the French wiki, you could come up with your own French standaards with french community. There is also a lot of articles that need to be deleted to be fixed up. If your up to the task I am sure we will allow it. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:30, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I see, well the only admin on the french wiki, apart from you, seems to have been inactive for a while.--[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:33, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Well I do not speak French. ;-) Just english.. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:35, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::I'd be glad to help with the policies and whatnot. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:38, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for the sysop! I've started on the templates and will work my way up to the policies and the more complicated stuff. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 16:13, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::One more question... What is [[Template:Episode Guide]] used for? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 17:45, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Making episodes templates. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:20, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::It's subst'ed. That means we use <nowiki>{{subst:Episode Guide}}</nowiki> to create a skeleton page for an episode guide, save it, then re-edit to tweak it for a particular episode. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:44, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::One more question. Is there a way to make the Wikipedia:* links to the french wikipedia? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:29, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
:::[[BW:INTER]] - Each wiki has W:* that goes to their lang wiki. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:49, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Sweet! thanks --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 05:37, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

== Link bot ==

You are clear to let loose the bot on changing [[Thirteenth Tribe]] to [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]]; I've done the TOS links and made a list of pages that intentionally link the disambig page. The same goes for converting [[Earth]] to [[Earth (RDM)]], JubalHarshaw and I have done the TOS links and I've also got a list for that one. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:33, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:10-4 [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:Earth changes happing right now... [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:27, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::[[Special:Whatlinkshere/Earth]] -- Some things the bot can not do is on other names spaces.... [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:45, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:Thirteenth Tribe changes happing now... [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:45, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::Hmm, the Thirteenth Tribe changes [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Thirteenth Tribe|don't seem to be finished yet]], and the bot [[Special:Contributions/InterBot|has been silent]] for half an hour now. And can't you run the bot on a per-namespace basis? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:29, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:::There is a ''good'' reason. While I was running it.. the cable/tv went out at my apartment and I had to goto work. do'h. I'm going to create a client side script for people to run at future dates. I have not think of a setting where it can be run in a namespace, but I will check. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 02:36, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
::::You mean you actually run the bot at your home PC and it just uses the HTTP interface to MediaWiki? Then you probably use [[Special:Search]], and you'd have to use a URL like "[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns102=1&ns103=1&ns104=1&ns105=1&ns106=1&ns107=1&redirs=1&search=earth&searchx=Search url]". Although the namespace numbers vary on a per-Wiki basis, you can still automate it by parsing the HTML you get from the Special:Search page. Anyway, the bot I'm considering to write would operate on the server side and interact directly with the MediaWiki DB, making it a little more dangerous (it could theoretically frak up the DB if badly written) but allowing many more options to be implemented much easier. Finding all articles in all namespaces containing '<nowiki>[[Earth]]</nowiki>' could by done with a simple SELECT query. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:40, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::No. I run the bot off the our server, but they way I run it, I have to be connected for it to run so I know it doesn't mess up the server. Replace I would usually never let it run alone. Doing interwiki links I run it and let it run by itself. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:04, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::I see. Maybe I'll write a bot with a PHP interface over the summer, as that would be easier to use and would also serve people who don't have the luxury of SSH access to their server. But that's really more of a summer project. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:19, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

==Styling on Editcount addon==
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Editcount/Mercifull
Shows up as all white. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:43, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:Highlight and it's still there. For some wicked reason, edit counts are in a white typeface on a white background ^^ --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:50, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah I know, its a simple change to do tho removing the hardcoded styling and setting it in the css. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 09:20, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:::I sent in an SVN change before and they still haven't fixed it. I'll send it in again. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:16, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Change it ureself Mr Lazy, its quite simple :P --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:21, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::On ours I will.. but the source code I would have done a long time ago if I had access. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 06:06, 17 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::I don't think its being updated anymore. Change the code a bit, remove the hardcoded styling to make it look a bit neater and then upload it as an updated version to the extensions page :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:38, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

== Got Windex? Congratulations! ==

You are now a member of the Order of the Squeegee, with bureaucrat privileges activated. "With great responsibility..." yada, yada, yeda. :) ''Don't crash the server.'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:25, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
: Just remember not to spray Windex into the hardware... Oh, and congratulations, my friend. You've definitely earned this one a thousand times over. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::Horray Shane! http://www.evilmerc.com/uploads/mod.swf :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:35, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:It's not like Shane wasn't able to destroy the wiki before :P Anyway, congrats ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:44, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Thanks all! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:17, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Wooo! We love you, Shane! (Sorry, I'm really hyper right now) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:07, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Congratulations! No one deserves it more! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 18:32, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

==Re:Wiki Designs==
Hello Shane

By chance happended upon your user page here after browsing the Matrix Wikia. Very impressive work here. Are you still offering to help with wiki layouts, and if so, is 'Forgotten Realms' something you would be able to work with? :) Thanks in advance [http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/User:Zerak-Tul Zerak] [http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Zerak-Tul talk] 21:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)