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Talk:Cylon reconnaissance drone/Archive 1

2011-01-05T05:37:38Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

I'd like to point out that even though a scene has never focused on one of these and we only have fuzzy pictures to go on, they do mention "Cylon Recon Drones" ''in dialog'' on screen, so they are "officially" part of the Cylon fleet. I don't know if we'll ever see them again though. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:21, 30 December 2005 (EST)

:Actually, when Cain is talking to Adama about "his men" and in several other instances, you can see a screen behind her flipping schematics of different Cylon Ships, and different views of each, it presents a basestar, a raider, and something shaped slightly different than a heavy raider, being wider and shorter and having bigger spokes. That is a recon drone I believe, check it out if you can. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16 January 2006

::Why do we have a picture of this on the ships page and not on the article? Can we get one? (I don't have the means)--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 13:02, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I don't think there ''is'' a real picture. There is only [[:Image:Bsg-cylon-recce.jpg|this fuzzy pic]], which has been marked for deletion (though it's used as a tiny thumbnail in the portal), which does indeed look like a Heavy Raider. The drones have been mentioned in dialogue only probably. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:08, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Oh wow. That picture does suck :) Ok, nevermind then--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 13:17, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
::::From what I can make out, it looks like one of Ralph McQuarrie's concepts for the original-series Raider. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 05:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Serge/Archive 1

2011-01-03T23:44:39Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: Created page with '==Name Origin== I suspect that Serge's name is derived from "concierge", given his function. Should this be noted in the article proper? ~~~~'

==Name Origin==
I suspect that Serge's name is derived from "concierge", given his function. Should this be noted in the article proper? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 23:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Battlestar

2010-12-14T08:12:53Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: Added the battlestars named by "The Science of Battlestar Galactica". It's an official guide, so...

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A '''battlestar''' is a [[Colonial]] capital warship that combines the roles of a space fighter carrier and battleship. Battlestars are the adversarial counterpart to the [[Cylon]] [[basestar]].

Battlestars have differing appearances and abilities in both the the [[Original Series]] and [[Re-imagined Series]].

== General ==

*See [[Battlestar (TOS)]] for information on the unnamed Original Series battlestar class.
*See [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]] for information on this unnamed original battlestar class of the Re-imagined Series
*See [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]] for information on an advanced battlestar class that succeeds the ''Galactica'' type battlestar
*See [[Valkyrie|''Valkyrie'']] for information on another, smaller class of battlestar that was prevalent at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]

== ''Galactica'' ==

For information on the battlestar ''Galactica'' itself:

*See [[Galactica (TRS)]] for information on the Re-imagined Series version.
*See [[Galactica (TOS)]] for information on the Original Series and ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' version.
*See [[Galactica (2003 Video Game)]] for information on the Original Series variant seen in the [[2003 Video Game]].

== Original Series ==

[[Image:TOS-galac.jpg|thumb|The [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] battlestar ''Galactica'']]

*''[[Acropolis]]''
*''[[Atlantia (TOS)|Atlantia]]''
*''[[Columbia (TOS)|Columbia]]''
*''[[Pacifica]]''
*''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]''
*''[[Rycon]]''
*''[[Triton (TOS)|Triton]]''

== Re-imagined Series ==

[[Image:Battlestar_stern.jpg|thumb|The [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]] battlestar ''Galactica''.]]

*Named:
**''[[Athena (Battlestar)|Athena]]''
**''[[Atlantia (TRS)|Atlantia]]''
**''Bellerophon''
**''[[Columbia (TRS)|Columbia]]''
**''[[Erasmus]]''
**''[[Night Flight]]''
**''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]''
**''Ramses''
**''[[Solaria]]''
**''[[Triton (TRS)|Triton]]''
**''[[Uned]]''
**''[[Universal]]''
**''[[Valkyrie]]''
**''[[Yashuman]]''
*Unnamed:
**See [[Unnamed battlestars]]

=== Comic books ===
*''[[Atlas (battlestar)|Atlas]]''
*''[[Argus]]''
*''[[Cerberus (battlestar)|Cerberus]]''
*''[[Chronos]]''
*''[[Therion]]''
*''[[Ulysses]]''
*Eos
*Universa

==Notes==
*Battlestar Wiki maintains official information on the ''Battlestar Galactica'' officially-licensed episodes, movies, and publications only. [[Fan fiction]] sources that discuss other ships (particularly fan-based clubs that use ship "names") are not permitted in this wiki.

*A common [[fan fiction]] belief is that the Original Series battlestar ''[[Columbia (TOS)|Columbia]]'' was also the class name for these battlestars. No [[BW:CJ|official sources]] confirm this point.

:''For more on what constitutes an official source, see [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]].''

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User:ZeldaTheSwordsman

2009-08-04T01:07:49Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: Created page with '===ZeldaTheSwordsman=== An obnoxious tit who occasionally provides useful contributions in spite of himself. ~~~~'

===ZeldaTheSwordsman===
An obnoxious tit who occasionally provides useful contributions in spite of himself. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Stuart Bachanal/Archive 1

2009-08-04T01:03:57Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

Can someone get a screencap from episode 2? My copy of that one is really, really bad and in episode 2 he only appears with a Viper helmet. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:34, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

I found a publicity shot of Banzai's Viper. It's high-resolution, but I can't quite make out his name because of the angle. It looks like Lt. Stuart B-something. [http://www.eclipsemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/scifichannel-137.jpg] [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 20:33, 16 December 2007 (CST)

: Looks like "Bachanal" or "Bachanai". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 21:12, 16 December 2007 (CST)
::Looks like "Bachakal" to me. Definitely an "L" at the end. I'd say it's clear enough to use one of them, with a footnote linking to the picture and maybe mentioning an alternative spelling. "Bachnal" possibly, but it looks more like a "K". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:34, 17 December 2007 (CST)
::: Definitely a "K". I'm good at sorting out pictures like that (I was in fact about to post this scoop. BTW, the wiki's two years behind, says it's 2007). Also, we should, if we haven't already, get some of those shots of the Mark VII up (we haven't got enough good pictures of it). [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Number One/Archive 1

2009-04-16T01:01:37Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* A very fitting insult to this jerk */ new section

== Categories ==
This page doesn't have any categories. I don't wish to read the spoiler stuff, but if somebody could kindly sort it I'd appreciate it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:31, 2 March 2006 (CST)
:Well, having stumbled into some spoiler-ish discussion on a talk page, I believe that categories on this page might end up being a spoiler themselves. I guess we can put categories on this once the cat is out of the proverbial bag. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:04, 3 March 2006 (CST)
:: We'll find out tonight, I guess. I'm looking forward to it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:07, 3 March 2006 (CST)

== Article name ==

I believe it should be Cavil, not Brother Cavil, same as it's Cally, not Specialist Cally.
:Yep. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 4 March 2006 (CST)

His number is One, as revealed in 4x02. The title should be changed. -- [[User:LicensedLunacy|LicensedLunacy]] 16:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Cylon? ==

Just from speculation based on the 'not at any of the cylon meetings' line, which is so similar to Six's line.

Also if he is a cylon he could be 'Number 1,' as that so far the lower the number the higher the age of the cylon. Perhaps that makes him the 'leader', that is, if cylon's have leaders in their 'society based on unity'.

Just a guess--[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 21:12, 7 March 2006 (CST)

: I doubt he is Number 1. Plus, as people keep on forgetting, Cylons only ''appear'' to age -- they don't actually grow up from infancy like humans do. They're made as old as they look (or as young as they look). Period. I wouldn't be surprised if he was Number 12, thus sinking the whole "model number sorted by age" thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:47, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::I agree, though I'll take it a step further and say that he is likely Number 12, and likely not Number 1. I think either we have not seen Number 1 yet in any form...or else Number 1 has been there from the beginning, and will be a big surprise for us. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 12:52, 17 March 2006 (CST)

::Do we know if both discovered models were named Cavil? Because that makes me suspicious that their discovery together wouldn't be accidental. And especially with how in agreement they were even after being separately for months (presumably). I don't trust their words, especially now that the Colony was subjugated. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 12:42, 13 March 2006 (CST)

:::As far as I know, there's no on screen evidence of Caprica Cavil being called Cavil directly. We just call him "Caprica Cavil" for the sake of discerning the two different copies of that model, since we only know that model by Cavil. Hope that isn't as confusing as it reads... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:09, 13 March 2006 (CST)

== Cavil and Cylon Aging ==
Regardless of whether or not the claim about preaching longer than Tyrol has been "sucking down oxygen" is correct, Cavil's apparent age (approximately 70, going by Dean Stockwell's real age) gives us some hints about the maturation of Humano-Cylons. It would be very safe to assume that the Cylons haven't been at this for a whole 70 years--otherwise, agents would probably have been introduced into Colonial society during the ''first'' war, instead of waiting for the second, and Baltar and Adama and every other survivor wouldn't have been surprised by the fact that they "look like us." A Humano-Cylon body, pre-download, seems to be either a) generated from scratch and resembling a particular age the moment it's ready (an instant twenty-something Sharon, early thirties Six, and late sixties/early seventies Cavil), or b) Cylon genes can be temporarily tweaked to accelerate an aging process that is usually human normal. Either way, the Cylons don't seem to spend 20-plus years generating a new body. Master geneticists that they are, why would they have to wait? -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 22:28, 18 March 2006 (EST).

:I thought (a) was the clear implication of "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and "Downloaded" - new Cylon bodies come pre-aged. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:21, 18 March 2006 (CST)
::Those technically weren't new bodies. They are copies, not clones, remember? A "new" body is exactly duplicated from an old one. By definition all will be the same age. So any aging would take place simultaneously across the whole model. Also, Dean Stockwell is ~70 but Cavil can be younger.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:11, 18 March 2006 (EST)
:::Are you suggesting there's a stock supply of uninhabited Cylon bodies all aging simultaneously, a la Evangelion? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:54, 18 March 2006 (CST)
::::Er, yes. That is what the Resurrection Ship (and whatever they have on their homeworld) is. My point is that when they make a new uninhabited body it's A Copy, Not A Clone, and thus the same age as the body it was copied from.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:41, 18 March 2006 (EST)
:::::Every body in a Cylon model is the same. They are all twins, none is a clone of another. They are made in the resurrection Ship, that was visually implied by the whole stack of Sixes. The Cavils themeselves are proof that they are made the age they look. There are Cavils in pods looking exactly like they do. The "longer than.." comment was needed, he wouldn't say "I've been preaching for two years, since I'm a Cylon.." --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19 March 2006

I removed the statement claiming that the humanoid cylons possibly came into existence thirty years prior to the time period in the show was contradicted by other evidence. It misunderstood the point of the previous statement (which I originally submitted), which does not argue that the infiltration of the colonies began that far back. It only suggests that the humanoid cylons came into being thirty or more years prior to the time of the series assuming Cavil was telling the truth about preaching longer than Tyrol had been sucking down oxygen. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 23:38, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

How do we know Cylons even biologically age? They might have something that prevents that. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 18:37, 29 November 2006 (CST)

: Given that Cylon agents and humans are genetically alike, and since cells degrade over time, it would follow that Cylons are capable of aging. After all, life is the quirk that keeps the meat fresh, as it were. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:24, 30 November 2006 (CST)

::Not necessarily. Cylons are genetically engineered cyborgs. They might have been built to not age. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 13:57, 2 December 2006 (CST)

:::Indeed, though they are identical to the cellular level, at the molecular level they already start looking different, which leaves room for enough difference between their compositions to make everthing they do, and possibly lack of aging, possible. So it's a possibility that they do no age. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:06, 2 December 2006 (CST)

::::I just re-watched "The Eye of Jupiter," and noted that Cavil implied that he and his colleagues had functional immortality; that whether finding Earth took "5 years or 5000," they'd still be around when it was found. --[[User:Panopticon|Panopticon]] 21:17, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::::Everything has, more or less, an end of life to it. Electronics break down too, though not in the same way humans do. Their immortality could easily occur via the downloading process. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:51, 15 January 2007 (CST)

== Cavil "Atheist" ==
It seems in their conversation that they came to a fairly Agnostic, not atheist, conclusion with the line "can't prove it one way or another." Thought? --posted by Xavier101
:No. Athiest. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:13, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

Could be either, but I'm leaning towards atheist. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 22:53, 27 June 2006 (CDT)
:They acknowledged it couldn't be proven but stated that they personally believe there is no God, thus they are atheists. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:34, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Strictly speaking, a 'true' atheist denies the existence of a god or gods and does not concede the possibility that "we just don't know or can't prove it." An agnostic takes the position that we do not know or cannot prove it (presently), but often actually does have a basically atheistic outlook on the universe. My opinion is that, from a purely logical standpoint, Cavil's statements make him an agnostic with an atheistic outlook. Or, in other words, he would concede that he can't REALLY prove it one way or another, but would be willing to lay a substantial wager on the non-existence of god. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 13:15, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

:I think the fact that Cavil ''always'' used his hands to make quotation marks in the air ''each time'' he said "God" in "Occupation/Precipice" makes it far more likely that he's not at all on the same page as most of the other Cylons. Even undercover as a brother, he flat-out denies the concept. Perhaps more light will be shed in season 3. If a Cavil encounters [[Dodona Selloi]], it would do just that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:37, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

::You know, along the lines of not being on the same page as other Cylons...you remember that the various models of Cylon were having that discussion in Exodus Part I, and Cavil excused himself from the discussion, ostensibly because his input into it was unnecessary (if I recall correctly.) I interpreted that as Cavil essentially noting to the others that he is in disagreement as to fundamental courses of action with ALL of the other models present at the meeting. You get the same vibe? --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 20:01, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

Atheism doesn't deny the existence of a god or gods, atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god or gods. You're thinking of "strong" or "positive atheism" [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 01:32, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:That is one definition of the term 'atheism' to be sure, but its most common definition is indeed 'strong' atheism (as you have defined it), just as the most common definition of 'agnostic' implies lack of knowledge (or indeed, as a necessary consequence, a belief) as to same. Just what we mean by having a 'belief' is actually quite hard to define. But, at this point in the discussion, for purposes of probing Cavil's psyche, I think we are talking of distinctions without a difference. ;-) --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 17:52, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

== Sleep Agent ==
Is Galactica Cavil a sleeper agent? I tend to think that he is because he seems to have a fake history and seems that sleepers tend defend themselves strongly when accused of being a cylon. Notice the difference betweem Galactica Cavil and Caprica Cavil in their responses to being accused. I know the Cylon Party comment does weaken the argument. Thoughts? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 10:48, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
:He wasn't a sleeper Agent as far as we know, in fact the easiness with which he "resumed" his Cylon status indicated that he was aware. The Caprican Cavil accepted it pretty quickly because eventually he planned to tell them, it was why he was there after all. The other Cavil still had his original mission to remain in secret. I take it sleepers normally don't respond well to the whole "Hey, you're a Cylon!" thing, which may be why boxing was invented, and was why Boomer had cuffs when she resurrected. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 11:20 26 June 2006 (CDT)
::In the continuity of the Miniseries novelization, Doral is a sleeper agent and he is discussed in great detail. His realization was like "flipping a switch." I know that doesn't mean much for the series, but I don't think that it is always a hard as Boomer found it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:45, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
I don't really think Cavil was a sleeper, because of how he acted with the Caprica copy. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:51, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cavil and Caprica Six Revelations ==
I have a problem with the following statement: "They seem to have discovered many revelations that Caprica-Six realized through her "virtual" Baltar (Downloaded). Judging by this, the Cavil copies are probably among the first to flock to Caprica's banner." I think this amounts to pure speculation, and increasingly, bad speculation as we see that Cavil is (if anything) something of a general misanthrope. At any rate, I think there is no legitimate basis for concluding that Caprica Six and the Cavils share any particular insight or common viewpoint. Thoughts? --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 13:08, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

==Number Two?==
Hey, someone pointed out to me that it was edited on wikipedia[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_%28Battlestar_Galactica%29#Humanoid_Cylons] that Cavil's number is "Two" and that it was apparently revealed through close cationing. I'm not sure if this is canon, but if someone can tell me more info on this...

I'm assuming it's a mistake, and that whoever posted it confused the close captioning in LDYBII, when it says "Cavil#2" (to differentiate Cavils) and assumed it meant that was his model number, but I do not know.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:00, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

:I think that is, as you suspected, an error in captioning context. As well, I don't think that Cavil will sit well with being known as "number two." He's a dark fellow, will nuke your house, put you in front of a firing squad. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:14, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

::Amen, brother. But he won't nuke your house, he'll only reduce your family down to a more manageable number, say 2. But that is only after he puts you down with his pesimistic superiority and complains about a headache. {{unsigned|Straycat0}}

:::And it will be done to instill fear into the people's hearts and minds, because as he sees it, fear is a key article of faith. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:03, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Dean Stockwell said, in an interview, that he had been told he was number 2 --[[User:Genome4824|GMo >:M:<]] 21:52, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::No, what he said was -

:::::'''''"I turned out to be number three, Brother Cavil, of the significant seven."'''''

:::::My guess is he meant that he was the third Cylon revealed (since the mini) because the position of "number three" is already occupied. And he's not number 2, that was a mistake on someone, the captioning is not referring to that.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:15, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

::'''"Number Two: This is three downloads for me."''' that is the quote from the Captioning for Exodus Part I. I believe that the Evidence he is #2 has been presented. If it saying that on Sci-Fi Channel itself can't be counted as Canon what can? -- [[User:Genome4824|GMo >:M:<]] 22:35, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Well, aside from the fact that my captions don't say that, it's still close captioning, which has proven unreliable before. We can't consider it canon unless revealed in some other manner in which we can be '''sure''' it's not a mistake. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:49, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Captions should be taken with a grain of salt, like the 54289/[[Viper 289]] caption from Flight of the Phoenix. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:22, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Agreed. Captions when there is two or more people that are the same, usually have #1 and #2. This is an error. Repated edits to indicate Cavil as number two will be considered vandlism under the [[BW:EW]] policy. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

: Can we all agree that it should be added to his page and the [[Portal:Cylons|Cylon Page]] under notes with a link to this discussion page. Not everyone goes right to the Discussion pages. -- [[User:Genome4824|GMo >:M:<]] 10:47, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

[[Rapture]] features additional (but unconclusive) evidence that Cavil may be Number Two:
*Cavil suggests boxing the Threes
*Cavil confronts and almost kills Three in an authoritarian fashion.
*When Three wants to see the Final Five, Cavil says "that can't happen". This could be because, with Number One among the Final Five, he wouldn't want to lose his 'leadership status' when Number One is revealed.
*It is Cavil who boxes the Threes. This may be because he came up with the idea in the first place, or because he represents whatever is left of the Cylons, making him either Two or Four.
It should be noted, however, that Cavil, despite his presumed leadership status, doesn't protest against the majority decision to attack and occupy the Colonies.
::Well, there really isn't any reason to believe their numbers have anything to do with authority, so for now we are still left with the myster of his number. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:56, 24 January 2007 (CST)
:::The model number has no relevance to authority, thats [[w:fanwank|fanwanking]], especially saying that the reason he doesnt want to know who number one is because he would then be second in command. The only evidence so far of the number designation is closed captions. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:32, 24 January 2007 (CST)
::::You are right in saying that it's never been confirmed the model numbers reflect authority. It's just an assumption on my part to even be able to speculate about Cavil's number, since throwing out the authority idea means all options are open and we can't really argue for any number, save for the closed captioning thing. On that count, I've [[Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques#Cavil.27s_number|asked Bradley Thompson]] whether the closed captions are canonical. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:47, 24 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Bradley Thompson has [[BW:OC#Cavil.27s_number|neither confirmed nor denied]] that Cavil is Number Two, but he did shoot down the closed captioning thing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:48, 25 January 2007 (CST)

Number 1?
Here is some logic supporting that he is the earliest of the Cylons that has not been presented here:

*When Cavil is introduced he states that he has been a preacher longer than Tyrol has been breathing. this may suggest that he was the first of (this cycle's?) human-form Cylons. The opportunity is there for him to have been planted into the colonies well before any plan of invasion.
*He is entirely skeptical about the existence of the "One God", but first appears in the resident religion's garb. This would follow a logical step between the belief (by the primitive Cylons [Centurions]) that there are many gods and the Cylon "One God". This is parallel of the progression between Greek and Christian gods being the prevailing theology in western civilization (discounting Roman), which would have occured at the outset of the many new models.
*Caprica Cavil and BSG Cavil discuss the mistake of invading the colonies in the first place. This would suggest a very pragmatic sort of personality, which would be emblematic of a first-generation new model. The first model would not necessarily have yet "evolved" in their new programming of belief in "One God".
:: This personality is repeated throughout the New Caprica occupation and pursuit of Earth in such actions as decimating the human population to "manageable size", making sure the Eye is not destroyed and boxing 3.
:::That's really just the way his model act, but it doesn't tell us anything about their number. We don't know whether they were built at the same time or whether the numbers actually mean anything. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:47, 31 January 2007 (CST)
::::When you consider that [[Number Six]] was named as a homage to [[w:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]] i'd be very wary about giving meaning to the numbers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:44, 31 January 2007 (CST)

==Main Image==
Hey, I have been thinking on Cavil's main image for a while, though I like the present one, I've been trying to find out perhaps new images that show him as looking more, I don't know, active or something, but I'm not sure. There are 3 candidates, including the current one, so what do you think.

Which of these is better as a main image?

<gallery>
Image:Cavilo.jpg|Picture 1
Image:Brotha.jpg|Picture 2
Image:Brotha3.jpg|Picture 3
</gallery>

Thank you for your opinions. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 00:01, 19 December 2006 (CST)

:2. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:45, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:Actually, I like the picture of the Executioner Cavil with the black hat in the article. Sadistic bastard he is, although 3 is OK. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:55, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:Ditto with Spenc. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:13, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::You mean the Promo from LDYBII? I actually edited one to fit in main image, Here it is:

::<gallery>
Image:-1Cavil.jpg|Picture4
</gallery>

::What do you think? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:31, 19 December 2006 (CST)
:::Nope. Try the one on the main article in the New Caprica Copy section. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:08, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::::Hmm...well that was the old one, but I remember it looked a bit....odd. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:02, 19 December 2006 (CST)

<gallery>
Image:Pensieve One.jpg
</gallery>

With the recent airing of the S3 premiere on SkyOne HD, we have more options available. One in particular caught my eye(the one right above). What do you think about it? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:18, 15 January 2007 (CST)
:Thoughts? If you still prefer the promo from LDYBII, then we'll put that one, but I'm trying to find a shot of him that shows more of his features and such. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:12, 26 January 2007 (CST)

=="Keeper of Secrets"==
In the "Rapture" podcast, RDM said he liked the idea of Cavil being like a keeper of secrets for the Cylons, one who knew more than the others about the Final Five and such. The episode did give me that feel, and it seems to me like he had seriousley intended to give that impression. So I'm thinking, should we include it in the notes section or something? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:12, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Has RDM given any explantion about how Cavil just appears out of nowhere, first on Caprica in lay down your birdens, he just sort of ppaears outof nowhere spouting the cylons have gone home and everyone just accepts it. he wasn't a human that came with tyhe rescue team. Then in Rapture Deanna and Baltar go down to the planet alone, and there at the pivotal hour there he is with Deanna and Baltar when they first get intothe temple, then he's gone again when the "device" activates.

There is something very odd and evil about Cavil, his atheism sounds more like a speech from Lucifer discrediting god. Granted I am abit obsessed withthe relation bebtween the cylons, the lords of kobol and Abrehamic religions. The interplay is everywhere. I've notice this sight has jumped on the idea that the "jealous god" and the "one whose name cannot be spoken" are one and the same, and perhaos the Cylon God. Why would the human then have such reverence for the temple of Five and those five priests, if they were folowers of an evil god. If I'm not mistaken isn't the name
"Yahweh" or "Jahovah" sort of not supposed to be spoken?

My point being Cavil's synicism can no more be taken at face value than anything else in the series.--[[User:Mevenstar|Mevenstar]] 02:44, 22 February 2007 (CST)

*He doesn't appear out of nowhere. On Rapture he went down with Baltar and D'Anna and a Leoben (though the scene with them was deleted), on LDYBII it's not really surprising that he just found his way to the group, or maybe even had been with them for a while now. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:02, 22 February 2007 (CST)

*Furthermore, in LDYB, Starbuck&Co. would think Cavil was just another member of the resistance they hadn't met yet, while Anders&Co. would think he was part of the rescue party. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:31, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Are edited scenes 100% legit? I mean when Deanna was heading down to tthe algae planet it was clear she was acting alone, where was cavil when Deanna hasd the vision or when Six told Baltar she wasn't the chosen one?Anders thought he was part part of the rescue party and Starbuck thought he was part of the resistence?--[[User:Mevenstar|Mevenstar]] 03:18, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:Like Sauron said before, the [[Podcast:Rapture|podcast]] for "[[Rapture]]" says there were more scenes showing Baltar, D'Anna, Cavil and a Leoben going down to the planet. Unfortunately, there were cut, which makes it seem like Cavil appeared out of nowhere and Leoben wasn't even there. The part about Starbuck and Anders refers to [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|LDYB II]], when no one noticed Cavil had suddenly joined them. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:25, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::It's quite possible that Cavil was with the resistance from the beginning. In the podcast for 'The Farm', Moore indicates that the Cylons knew of Starbuck and Anders' relationship through a spy. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:03, 18 March 2008 (CDT)

== White space ==

There's a big fat load of white space at the top of the article, and I can't see how to get rid of it. Any ideas? (probably due to a template) [[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:38, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
:{{tl|quality candidate}} was guilty, fixed it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 06:24, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, that would be the culprit. You'll need to put it ''after'' the category tags on any page so that whitespace problem isn't produced. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:48, 13 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Blame the template. Lame excuse. :-D [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:28, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

== Separate Article for faction leader? ==

It appears to be a single copy, the one who got shot, who is the leader of the "145 faction". We should make a separate article for him, The question is, what do we call him? He seems to be refered to as "Cavil" onscreen, but this is a little confusing. Perhaps [[Cavil (faction leader)]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 16:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

== John Cavil? ==

The impression I got from "No Exit" was that John, the name the Final Five gave him, wasn't necessarily the same as Cavil, the alias he used with the humans. Indeed, considering how much he hated being called John, I doubt he'd choose that to be the name he'd be called by the humans and the other cylons. I suppose we won't be sure unless we find out the names the Final Five gave the other six models and whether they're the same as the human aliases we already knew, but for now, maybe we should list "John" and "Cavil" as separate names, perhaps with John as his birth name, and Cavil as his alias.-- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 14:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

:Damn, you beat me to this and even used a bit of my wording. Anyway, I agree. From watching the episode, I didn't perceive the notion that John and Cavil were linked monikers despite what this wiki states in at least two articles. I would also like to add that I don't think getting an earload of the names the creators christened the other six Cylons would stand up entirely given the amount Number Six has utilised throughout the show. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 14:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

::I think we need Joe to verify this. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

== Deanna's Cavil vs Ellen's Cavil ==

Bit confused here - Are the Cavil that unboxed Deanna and the Cavil that was going to open up Ellen's brain the same Cavil? They both seemed to have Boomer as a companion, but the one who unboxed Deanna was killed and shouldn't have resurrected since the hub was destroyed. --[[User:Jackdavinci|Jackdavinci]] 12:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Coincidence - connection to a previous role of Stockwell? ==

I find it fascinating that "Cavil" is/has a set of letters the same as "Al Calavicci", Dean Stockwell's character from Quantum Leap.

Coincidence?

== A very fitting insult to this jerk ==

I apologize in advance, but here it is: Motherfrakker. I couldn't resist. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Launch tube (TRS)/Archive 1

2009-04-14T02:32:54Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Remote pilot launch */ new section

About the picture:
That's from "Hand of God" when Strikforce 2 is waiting in/on the freighter. But it doesn't really fit into an article about launch tubes. A good shot might be Kara in the tube from the Miniseries --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:04, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
: Good catch. I'll scrounge for a more appropriate image. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:13, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
::I have something perfect in mind, I'll upload it later tonight. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:15, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Cool. Then I won't have to do it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:21, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

== Operational Status ==
Are all the launch tubes operational now? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:21, 2 January 2007 (CST)

:Some people claim that Vipers launched for the starboard pod in "Exodus, Part II", but as far as I can see, you can't tell from the visuals whether it was the starboard or port flightpod.
:In "A Measure of Salvation" Apollo orders a Raptor to land in the starboard pod, but that doesn't have to mean that the launch tubes are operational as well. Could be, but there is no definite evidence --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:49, 2 January 2007 (CST)
:Well, as part of the decomissioning, one would probably assume that those functions were removed (after all the coils were removed from Big G as well). After all it would really suck if some kid opened the launch tube and [[Collaborators|pulled a Jammer]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:10, 2 January 2007 (CST)

::In the Miniseries, Tyrol says about the Vipers in the museum "Well the reactors are still hot." so I don't think the Colonials had safety at the top of the "What's a museum" list. If the tubes were disabled, it would have been easy to fix, if something important was removed, Galactica probably would have been able to get replacements at Ragnor while they were loading up on ordnance. So I'm guessing if it would be capable to repair the tubes. [[User:WZ Lawrence|WZ Lawrence]] 22:58, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:::Hi, WZ. Since ''Galactica'' would be more versatile if it could repair both flight pods and their launch tubes, it likely would have. But the museum conversion appears to have been a very permanent matter, ripping or removing hardware for an aged battlestar with no place to find secondary parts, not even from the advanced ''Pegasus''. The term "reactors are still hot" is left to speculation as it has never been further explained. Since [[tylium]], not a nuclear reactor, propels all ships, the reactor ''might'' be a small electric generator for the [[avionics]] and other flight controls. [[Ragnar Anchorage]] was only a depot of ammo, not significant repair hardware, certainly unlikely containing resources for a 50-year-old battlestar. It's obvious that they cannot repair as they've used the starboard hangar for [[Camp Oil Slick|non-launch needs]], and the pod is left for other storage, still depressurized from "[[Scattered]]''. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:32, 4 November 2007 (CDT)

== Evidence ==
Where are the evidence for the info in the first para regarding the launch tube setup? All I've ever seen is one tube and one supervisor. --[[User:Cohnee|Cohnee]] 07:30, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:Good question. I suspect if it's legit someone may be getting their info from a sourcebook or some such. That's awfully detailed. Either way it deserves a cite of where it came from. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:44, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:The 5*8 arrangement might be derived from the spacing on the CGI model. All in all, it seems to be from something like the BSG magazine though --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:50, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== criminals/people thing ==

It's a small quibble, but I don't like using the term "criminals" since it's a value judgement. It's basically accepting the Circle's actions and ideas, and no matter their good intentions, their means are highly questionable. Jury, judge and executioner in one person. Gaeta was convicted, but he certainly wasn't a criminal. And not all of their victims might have been guilty to the same degree. So saying something like "people" or "accused" is less POV IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:43, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:From a purely objective point of view, "criminals" is a perfect term. They were convicted of commiting a crime. Definitionally, that makes them criminals. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:02, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::Convicted by whom? A biased "court" that wasn't really legal itself. Nothing objective about that. By your definition, political dissidents in - let's say China - are ''objectively'' criminals. It's a POV thing, and there are certainly people who agree with the Circle. No problem; we don't really don't need to discuss that in all its depth here. "Convicts" looks better and should satisfy both sides of the issue --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:18, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:::The Circle was a legal court appointed by the legally appointed sitting President. But you do have a point, convicts wraps this whole dealie up quite nicely, nice edit SV :-) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:32, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::::Well, as said a huge argument isn's worth it here, but a tribunal that acts as judge, jury and executioner, is very biased because of its experiences (an impartial tribunal would have consisted of people who weren't on NC), deals with whole cases within minutes, tries people in absentia without representation, and also acts in secret, isn't perfectly legal. Not from what we've seen of Colonial law. Semi-legal maybe. And I think Zarek knew that well. I'm not saying all collaborators are innocent or don't deserve some punishment, but not like that. Let's just agree to disagree. :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:41, 8 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Agreeing to disagree is a god idea, but I do feel the need to kinda dispute one thing - a tribunal of only non-NC fleet members would be too out-of-touch, true impartiality would be half NC, half non-NC. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:04, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::::::Well, we could use the same words, but throw in the old scarequotes trick. "and venting the 'convicts' to space" or "and venting the 'convicted' to space". I was just trying to specify that the people being vented were the ones that the Circle did "try, convict and sentence", not necessarily indicate either way the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the "court". I have to admit I missed the note here and my initial edit was just an attempt to make "criminals" more neutral (for the reasons you outlined above). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:54, 9 January 2007 (CST)
:::::::I like the use of convicts, so barring no objections I'd say to keep it how it is. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 07:59, 9 January 2007 (CST)

== Page name ==

The page name should be singular. I suggest a move to "Launch tube (RDM)". Any thoughts? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]]•[[User talk:Kevin W.|So say we all]] 13:46, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:I don't know. Technically you might be right, but I think they are usually referred to in the plural. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:44, 14 January 2007 (CST)
::Still, naming conventions state than even when something is commonly mentioned in the plural, the article title itself should be singular. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]]•[[User talk:Kevin W.|So say we all]] 16:12, 14 January 2007 (CST)
:::You are right. This should be changed imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:15, 18 January 2007 (CST)
::::I concur with Kevin W. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:02, 18 January 2007 (CST)

== Physical Configuration? ==
Has anyone figured out how the launch tubes fit within the model clearly shown on screen? Vipers are shown launching through transverse-mounted tubes at least 100m long, though the flight pod configuration clearly places the hangar deck at the outer edges of the ship (essentially direct in the place where the launch tubes supposedly are). The flight pods themselves are not wide enough for the launch tubes and definitely aren't wide enough to load Vipers AND show long tubes. Theories? -- [[User:Dharadvani|Dharadvani]] 21:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:Hi there. A good question. The width of the hangar deck plus tubes from interior to exterior should approximate the width of an entire pod. However, it's apparent that the battlestar has airlocks of various sizes. The one that Cally and [[Jammer]] were ejected from was not a Viper launch tube, but merely an airlock that a Raptor could fly from (although they are shown also being lifted back through the recovery lift and launched from inside a flight pod itself). The launch tube has to be long enough to accommodate the magnetic catapult, and series shots show it is qulte long. BSG does not dwell on the technicals of what occurs, although they are far from making [[technobabble]] to move the show along. The soundstages where BSG is shot aren't as big as you would think, so there is very likely times where things are dressed and redressed. And, remember, many scenes are shot with CGI, so the things we see don't really exist on a set, but just in a computer's memory. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've worked on making an accurate CG model of the flight pod interiors myself, so I've spent an awfully long time looking over references. The tubes that Cally and Jammer are ejected from are the exact same ones that vipers launch from. The raptors use lifts to launch from the landing deck, never the tubes (though they were seen stored in the launch tube airlocks in one episode). As for whether it could all fit within the flight pod, it is possible, though you have to ignore the occasional bit of artistic license. The launch tube tunnels are often made too look much longer than they should be because at the speed the vipers shoot through them, they'd be gone in a flash if they were shown at their true length. I'd say that on most occasions they're made to look at least twice as long as they really are. Another error was when in one episode they showed lifts which would have had to have been moving through the space where the launch tubes are. They'd just put them on the wrong side of the flight deck.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 21:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== A Day in the Life ==

Even though they used the launch tube set, this is not supposed to be a launch tube. The outer door is just that, a small door. Look when they blow it. Moreover, it's not even in the flightpod, but in the mainhull above the pod, facing aft. Above the launch bay opening when the pod would be retracted. Nicely visible at 29:15. So I don't think there should be any references to airlocks here, except maybe a cinematic note about the set (though it makes sense that the battlestar builders would use the same design for both instead of inventing something new). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:00, 19 February 2007 (CST)
: Agreed. This wasn't the launch tube, though comprised of similar sets. (Also, the thing I found interesting is that no one found someone's one-year old lunch that Seelix found in this episode, with the whole food-shortage issue that occurred previously...) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:29, 19 February 2007 (CST)

== Remote pilot launch ==

''Daybreak'' shows that the tubes can also be remotely activated by the pilot. I'm not sure how to integrate this into the article. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 02:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 1

2009-04-11T03:48:36Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Boomer's motivations */

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*Gaeta's invisible ghost is damned to walk the decks of CIC for all eternity, observing Adama finally succeeding in bringing humanity back from the brink, thus totally discrediting Gaeta's mutinous ideas. Fitting punishment for trying to evict Adama from his own ship.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

*Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

**Well, [Islanded in a Sea of Stars] (and RDM's commentary track for [Someone to Watch Over Me] made my point irrelevant. Although from Cavil's behavior in Islanded, I wonder if he has something more complicated in mind for Hera than just a hostage to convince Ellen and the others to rebuild resurrection technology. --[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 10:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

::He does. And that's the Second time Boomer's busted the port water tank. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Anders' readings, I would say they are definitely, in fact, All Along the Watchtower. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
*Well, I can only say it's moving closer and closer to that 100% certainty. "Islanded" just finished with Adama ordering a general evac of the ship. Adama speaks to Tigh of "sending the old girl out in style". The teaser for next week shows what appears to be Adama asking for volunteers for a one-way mission. My guess: Starbuck will get the location of the colony from Sam, Adama will assemble a skeleton crew on Galactica to go get Hera, and we have all the pieces in place for a final, glorious duel to the death between Galactica and Cavil -- one where Galactica will serve some important sacrificial role that allows the rest of humanity, the rebel Cylons, and Hera to forge some kind of new future. I'm going to further bet that the Battle To End All Battles is saved for the final episode, that we only see its beginning at the very end of next week's ep. After all, if Cavil's forces are destroyed, Hera recovered, and the Galactica is trashed next week, what could RDM & Co. possibly show us in the final episode?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Updating Wiki ==

hi guys. bsg isnt being shown in south africa at all so we have to wait for the dvd release to see the whole show. but being the fan that i am i simply cant wait until then to know what happens, so i rely heavily on the content in this wiki to follow the story. i know it must be really hard work but could you guys update so i wont go insane:)
the acts specifically i mean. i read the analysis and it was like OMG BOOMER ESCAPES WITH TYROLS HELP??! AND HERA? WHAT HAPPENED?

a desperate fan form the dark continent

:Our apologies. Wikis depend not only on its contributors but available time to complete articles, particularly episode summaries. You're not the only one that's waiting. I've handled many summaries; I'll do what I can tonight to keep you up to date! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Is anyone going to finish the summary? ==

Is anyone going to finish completing the summary? It's been about a week now. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 21:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed you asked the same question at [[Talk:Blood on the Scales]] ... I basically have the same answers for you. [[BW:BOLD|Be bold]]. :) I've been a bit more caught up with other edits, but if something doesn't show up here soon I will take a crack at it ... I need something to do while waiting for "Islanded" to air anyway. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I might get to it this evening as well before the next episode plays. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, maybe I should just start doing it... -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 20:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Opera House/Archive 1

2009-04-11T03:30:33Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* A vision for 20 feet ? */

== Visions ==
Should we note here about the visions that Three has had that take place on the stage of the opera house? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:30, 19 December 2006 (CST)
: Yep. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:43, 19 December 2006 (CST)
== Ruins ==
Is it just me, or do the ruins look like Stonehenge? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 20:56, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
:It's not you, they reminded me of Stonehenge as well. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:05, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

== A vision for 20 feet ? ==

The vision is about Gaius and Six taking Hera to the CIC. Seasons of opera house visions just to deliver a child the last twenty feet of her journey? Highly improbable. [[User:German|German]] 21:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Not just to deliver her, but to protect her as well. Anyway, so Galactica was the Opera House of the prophecy. What a pity the DRADIS console didn't drop like a chandelier onto John Cavil's head. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:30, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Galactica type battlestar/Archive 1

2009-04-11T03:24:23Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Why the flight pods must be retracted */

:: Archive from [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Galactica_type_battlestar&oldid=47676 April 17, 2006]
== Medical Capabilites of a Battlestar ==

Peter,

Your assertion of "unfound speculation" concerning my contribution is uninformed and unfounded. I am a military medical planner and a published author. My assertion of the potential medical capabilities and requirements of an intergalactic warship (modeled on a US aircraft carrier), while hypothetical, is informed. Keep in mind these are requirements that the ship would have originally been built (not the "as is" state). At this point in the story line, clearly Major Cottle is the only doctor on Galactica, however we have never seen the Pegasus medical bay or any of its medical personnel. With established industrial facilities on Pegasus (Viper production established in “Scar”), the Pegasus would have evn greater Occupational Health / Preventive Medicine than Galactica. And if you do a walk down of the ancillary services (pharmacy (camala extract), orthopedic and x-ray (Kara’s knee injury), optometry (ADM Adama’s glasses), etc, you will see they exist even if they are not portrayed. Additionally, it was an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) bed, complete with ventilator, which William Adama was in during his multiple surgeries (establishing an Operation Room (OR)).

Capital ships are designed to go into battle, which means they will take damage and casualties. Often it is the ability to regenerate / repair / refit in the quickest amount of time that determines the outcome of battles. General Nathan Bedford Forrest of the Confederate States of America is famous for the quote, “He who gets there the fastest with the mostest wins.” RDM makes reference to his experience onboard a Navy ship in podcasts, including “The Captain’s Hand”. Thus, there is an established framework present.

I provide you two active hyperlinks that back up my contribution. While dated, they are still relevant.

http://www.mfp.usmc.mil/TeamApp/G4/Topics/20040916154046/Med%20Cont%20Factbook.pdf

www.iiimef.usmc.mil/medical/ FMF/FMFE/FMFEref/fs_man/CHAPTER%2014.html

--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 20:26, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:I have no doubt that you are well qualified to speak about the medical capabilities of an aircraft carrier. I dispute their relevance to BSG, however. while they might provide a good baseline for guesswork, I don't think that simple guesswork belongs on this site. We don't extrapolate armament details based on the capabilities of modern naval vessels, for example. If you wanted, I wouldn't object to something along the lines of "we may conjecture that the medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier" with one of the links you provided above; but I will not agree to listing out detailed specifications based on no in-continuity data. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:37, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

::''At last I went to the artisans. I was conscious that I knew nothing at all, as I may say, and I was sure that they knew many fine things; and here I was not mistaken, for they did know many things of which I was ignorant, and in this they certainly were wiser than I was. But I observed that even the good artisans fell into error;--because they were good workmen they thought that they also knew all sorts of high matters, and this defect in them overshadowed their wisdom;''
:::''The Apology of Socrates'', Plato

::Sir, none of us doubt that you know what you are talking about when you list the medical capabilities of a modern aicraft carrier. But this does not grant you increased insight into the inner logic of the tv series: First, we have no idea how many medical staff are onboard, and comparing it to an aircraft carrier is just speculation. Second, we have no idea how many crewmen a Mercury class battlestar normally has, as has been asked in the "Questions" segment of the "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" episode guide article: Pegasus has 1,750 crewmen when it encounters Galactica, but A) It was going into drydock, and some of the crew may have left to the port, B) 700 crewmen died in the initial attack C) Cain impressed civillians she encounteed into service and most importantly C) Cain was fighting a hit and run war against the Cylons for months, which wore down her crew numbers through attrition. But I digress. Yes, we should object to a statement like "we may conjecture that medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:41, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:::I guess you can object to that too, if you want. I was trying to compromise. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:48, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'm sorry Peter but this is a really good example of the speculation I don't think we should be inserting into this kind of article. There is nothing to be gained from such a compromise. I would if there were, and would like to, but I can't change facts. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:51, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

Peter,

As I am preparing to deploy for a year, please forgive me as I have packed all my BSG video. I grant you that the personnel numbers for a fully manned battlestar are informed speculation based upon a comparison to a modern aircraft carrier. I use these numbers as RDM has referenced a battlestar to a modern carrier, his experience in the Navy (podcast for The Captain’s Hand), Galactica type battlestar – article – dimensions’ jpg comparing a Battlestar to a CVN Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg on this very page. My professional training drives me to fill in unknowns with assumptions. That is what the personnel piece was intended and is consistent with other speculation within the Wiki, so long as it is said to be speculation (i.e. the actual working of an FTL drive). But sticking to the medical capabilities known from “in country (your term)” knowledge (i.e. seen on screen or in dialogue), we know much about Galactica. First, Galactica has a sickbay (Act of Contrition, Litmus). Exact bed count is not known, but is greater than seven (Act of Contrition). Based upon the burn victims (Act of Contrition) and treatment of William Adama (Scattered, Valley of Darkness, Fragged), we have seen Intensive Care Unit (ICU) beds, complete with ventilators, electrocardiograms (ECG), pulse / respiration / pulseox (shows percent of oxygen saturation dissolved in blood) monitors. We also have seen at least on operation room (OR) (Fragged), and subsequently confirm its existence with Kara Thrace’s knee surgery (Litmus) and Lee Adama’s chest surgery (Sacrifice). Concerning the radiology suite, we saw a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI – incidentally, a very advanced piece of equipment) when Baltar had Dr. Cottle examine his head looking for an implanted chip (sorry, don’t remember the episode). We also saw conventional (chest) x-rays of Commander William Adama, during his surgery (Fragged, Scattered). We heard about Sharon’s ultrasound, as part of pre-natal health on Hera, where Dr. Cottle found an abnormality. And while not part of radiology, Hera, is placed in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) incubator, when is born prematurely. Next, we know it has a pharmacy. The President asked Dr. Cottle for Camala, the Viper pilots were taking “stims” (33, Final Cut) and Kara is taking pain killers for her knee surgery (Litmus) and latter asks Lee for antibiotics for Anders (Lay Down Your Burdens – Part II). Additionally, with the surgeries and burn victims, there are other pharmacological needs and a pharmacy is where these things dwell. Other areas that we have seen or know about are a morgue, where Galactica-Boomer was stored; a laboratory (to do support simple blood type and matching to support surgery), optometry with a fabrication lab (William Adama wears glasses and as stated in other areas of this site, battlestars are designed for sustained operations). We are also can infer that Galactica has some preventive medicine / occupational health capability because in “Water”, there was a discussion about water recycling (leading to potable water). It is Preventive Medicine that does this task.

I would like to add that RDM and SciFi do a heck of a job weaving into the background all these things. As an experienced health services officer with over 22 years in the health care field, there is a tremendous amount of detail that happens in the background. If I was a casual observer, I might miss or not care about some of these things. As someone headed into harms way, I assure you that our fighting forces moral is impacted combat health support. I absolutely belive we need to address the medical capabilities of a battle star. The propose the best way is start with what it would look like at full strenght / desired capability. Clearly, Season 3 will start with two grossly undermanned battlestars, with very limited offensive combat capability.--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 22:10, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

:The citations you've provided make it much easier to include this information, and I thank you for taking the time to write this all out. The addition should improve the article considerably. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:21, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

::I am sorry, but this doesn't change much: the above information was gleaned from things we've seen on screen, and is thus informative and useful. However, the original entry to this article he made (speculative medical numbers, etc.)...isn't supported by any of these citations. Basically, they're two separate issues and should be treated separately. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:48, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

:::Reverting to Killerman's last version isn't a good idea, but he (or we) can refactor his contribution using the points and evidence he raised above. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:57, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

::::Oh yes yes, something new and revised. Yes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 01:24, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Manufacture vs. Assembly of Ammunition ==
The "assembly" activities that take place in [[Epiphanies]] would fall into the realm of "production", depending on how you look at it. It seemed like they were loading the casings (I thought RDM said they were going to use caseless ammo) with powder, seating the primer and inserting the bullet, turning the various components into a cartridge. Whether or not they produced the individual components (metal for bullets and casings would be easy, compounds for primers and powder probably harder to obtain), the act of putting those bits together would often be considered "manufacturing" ammunition. Not a big deal, and I didn't even change the text (since it's pretty debatable). An example of this use of the word is in this [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4044-2004Jul21_2.html Washington Post Article]:

"''Israeli Military Industries said the ammunition will be manufactured in Israel but the raw materials, including propellants, projectiles and primers, come from U.S. sources.''
"

Once again, not trying to start a war, just wanted to weigh in on a subject I knew a little about (since they so rarely come up). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:02, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Picture of destroyed Galactica-type Battlestar ==
Though certainly a model of a Galactica-type was used for the shot, it's clearly mentioned at the very beginning of the miniseries that ''Galactica'' is the only ship of it's kind still in service. The story places the shot only hours after the beginning of the attack, so it should be impossible that another Galactica-type (museum or mothballed in a reserve-fleet) could be readied for battle. Shouldn't the destroyed battlestar be taken as one of a third class between the Galactica-Type and Mercury-class, still looking a lot like the Galactica-type? [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 13:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:That was my impulse. Story logic dictates that the destroyed hulk probably wasn't a Galactica type, but in the real world we can surmise that Zoic probably re-used the Galactica model. Of course, from that distance, we could fudge our interpretation either way. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:50, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::They don't necessarily mean that there are no Galactica type battlestars in service besides the Big-G, it could be taken to mean none like Galactica, eg. non-refitted, no networks, etc. The battlestar there could easily (and belivably) be a refitted Galactica type. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:22, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::I concur with Talos, and that has been my understanding. Besides, unless the ship was simply overwhelmed by Cylon military brawn, an old-Cylon War battlestar would put up the same level of fight as ''Galactica'' would have. Else, it was just as vulnerable as the new battlestars. I agree, cinematically, that that Galactica model was just reused.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:59, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::[http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgefeature.aspx?pid=3&fid=642 Something to ask] the big man himself? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 14:34, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'll do that in a little bit, I have to pick up my brother from his band practice in a minute. The life of a college student living at home... --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:36, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I really doubt he's going to take the time to clarify such a niggling detail. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

It has always been my belief that Doral meant it was the only Galactica-type battlestar never refited. I always point to the ''U.S.S. Missouri'' (Mighty 'Mo) as an example of a ship with over 50 years of combat service that just kept getting refitted over time to the point that it was firing satellite-targeted cruise missiles at the end of its service. I think Galactica was just the only one that was never refitted. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:57, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly. It's like the WWII era Essex class carriers. There were refits that were completly rebuilt but a few, essentially, originals survived until the early 1960s with the others serving thru Vietnam ([[Wikipedia:USS Oriskany (CVA-34)|USS Oriskany (CVA-34)]] for example). The [[Wikipedia:USS Lexington (CV-16)|USS Lexington (CV-16)]] was in service as a training ship until 1991! --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:26, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

::It's exactly the ''USS Missouri''-example why I believe that ''Galactica'' is the last of it's class: All four ''Iowa''-Class battleships were updated and they all were finally decommissoned (for now) between 1990 and 1992. If the ''Galactica'' is simply the only one not refitted one would have to ask why that wasn't done. Why would one refit three ''Iowas'' but not the last one? This usually only happens if a ship is somehow different from her sisters (e.g. having sustained heavy battledamage the refit is more expensive and not worth the effort). Also it could be that the fleet is being downsized, no longer needing all ships. An example for this would be the British [[Wikipedia:Illustrious class aircraft carrier|''Illustrious''-Class]] of World War II. Of these three carriers only one received an angled flight-deck, surviving the scrapping of the other two for twenty years. But in all these cases I find it hard to believe that anyone would describe one of the ships decommissioned first as ''the last of it's kind still in service'' if there others (refitted or not) still in action. Which ''Iowa'' would have been described that way prior to it's decommissioning: ''Iowa'' in 1990 or ''Missouri'' in 1992? Wasn't ''Lexington'' the last ''Essex''?
::What Doral says before and after that statement makes it quite clear that he's not talking about a certain detail (like ''last of it's kind without a network'' would have been). He starts with ''worldfamous Battlestar Galactica'', then ''last of her kind still in service'' followed by ''constructed 50 years ago as one of the first twelve battlestars, representing Caprica''. The only possible explanation for other Galactica-types this leaves would be ''Galactica'' being the last of the first twelve, with other Galactica-types coming from a second batch no longer representing specific colonys. But even then "last of her kind" is an usual choice of words to describe that. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 17:13, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:04, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I think it is still ambiguous, and we should wait for an RDM blog reply before changing anything. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:54, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::I doubt RDM will respond to this issue, and I think the safest course of action would just be to remove it. There's sufficient reason to doubt that the hulk isn't a galactica-type that we shouldn't take a firm position on the issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:22, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
:::The motivation for no refit to ''Galactica'' could be nostaliga or historical preservation, explaining the odd wording; for such a purpose, only the unaltered version would count. ...Don't get the impression I believe that just because I said it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:56, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:Not to mention Adama, "It's a computer network and I'll be damned if I'll let it aboard my ship while I'm in command." (Paraphrased)--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:01, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:We don't even know for sure if the destroyed battlestar was even in service. It could have been decommissioned earlier and be acting like a museum, just like Galactica was supposed to be. That would also explain its quick destruction. (It snapped cleanly in half). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:01, 13 January 2007 (CST)
::It could easily be in service still. In the Russian (and former Soviet) navy, there is a class of destroyers called the [[w:Udaloy class destroyer|Udaloy]]. The last of the class was heavily refitted and updated, bringing it up almost to Burke class levels. The important thing here is that there are still unrefitted ones in service (there was only enough money to upgrade one, the Admiral Chabenko). Then again, there is the Fletcher/Sumner class destroyers. The main differences were the gun armament (5x1 5" in Fletcher, 3x2 5" in Sumner), and the Sumner's twin rudders. Same hull and most of the superstructure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:13, 13 January 2007 (CST)
Also possible that the Galactica was origionally heavily armored like the Columbia but retrofitted. Then the other 1st war ships of its type were eventually decomissioned, whilst other Galactica Type Battlestars were made after the war without the extra armor (and other things we don't know about) to the new upgraded design of the Galactica type, therefore a different kind of ship. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
== Crew numbers ==

How do we know a fully manned and equipped battlestar has a crew of 4,000 to 5,000? Was it said in some episode or where do these numbers come from? I'm updating the [[de:Kampfstern, Galactica-Typ|german battlestar article]] and I don't like to use data that seems to be made up out of thin air. The links and notes provided don't give any hint about the normal crew number of a battlestar of this type. We apologise for any inconvenience. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 16:03, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:In the Miniseries, Tyrol says that there are over 2,000 people on Galactica. The ships seems very undermanned at the same time so I would think that 4-5,000 is a good estimate. I'm not sure if we've seen any concrete numbers though, maybe in the magazine. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:52, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::Answer: in "Water" Baltar says how many civilians there are in the Fleet, and subtracting that from the total survivor population in that episode yielded the crew aboard Galactica as of "Water", at some number over 2,600 (I'd have to check). In several podcasts, Ron Moore keeps saying that while not on a skeleton crew, Galactica has about half the number of people on it that a fully crewed battlestar of its class would have. So, "between 4,000 and 5,000". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:38, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Thanks for the clarification, I'll take these numbers then. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 07:37, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

== Flight tube counts ==
I see (in [[:Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg]], e.g.) 20 slots that seem like they might each be divided in half along the side of ''Galactica''. I can see why it is likely they are launch tubes, but I can also see many other similarly sized openings around them. Although it's a fine guess and quite likely to be true, I'm left hestitant that this evidence is sufficiently strong to be canon. In any case, if consensus is that this is canon, we should certainly footnote it, as the truth of the statement is not patently clear. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:10, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

== Delivery of Nuclear weapons ==

Since the Cylon forces repeatedly use missiles as an effective delivery platform for their nuclear weapons, isn't ir relativel safe to assume- since, of course, the Cylons were created by the Colonials- that the method deployed by Colonial forces is also missile-based? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:22, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:It's a good idea, and I personally agree with it, but there is no aired proof, and thusly we cannot confirm how they do it. The two Galactica nukes we've seen thus far (Baltar's and the one Boomer uses to destroy the Basestar in Kobol's Last Gleaming Part II) have been removed from their delivery systems. (Although Boomer's did look like it was in a bomb casing). --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:31, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Fair point. Perhaps we'll get clarificaion in Season3, since Galactica herself still has three nuclear weapons aboard. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Well, we know now, good call on it being revealed in season 3, Although they haven't been used yet, I'm willing to bet they will be used in season 4 and we are going to have to update the articles again.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:09, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
== Galactica-Class? ==

Please bear with me for a moment as I am citing a magazine many of you may consider illegitimate. In the September 2006 issue of Maxim Magazine, the "Fashion" section of Maxim Style features a photoshoot of the RDM Battlestar Galactica cast modeling various fashions. In one photograph, featuring James Callis and Tricia Helfer in a small corner alcove of the CIC (possibly weapons control or some other station), a center console features the text "GALACTICA-CLASS BATTLESTAR" in two places, easily readable to the viewer. I know it is general policy on television shows that whatever is aired in a given episode is canon, and what is not aired, non-canon. However, would this (i.e., "Galactica-class Battlestar") be considered canon since this console is occasionally seen in a given episode? Or am I just reading too much into a simple photoshoot? --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 09:30, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Do you have a photograph of this? or a timestamp where we can check the DVD's? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 09:55, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::I assume he means [http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/images/season_3/maxim_5.jpg this] but on that pic I can't really see it on the prinouts on the table. It does indeed look like the weapon's control room, though I can't recall the table there. The room can be seen very rarely. In the miniseries for example --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I can barely make it out. Though it isn't canon, unless we saw it on the show itself, or if someone from the show were to tell us that "yes, indeed, ''Galactica'' is a ''Galactica''-class battlestar". Then it's canon. However, by all means, we can certainly put something in the notes section regarding this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::That's definitely the weapons control section of CIC. If we can get a clearer shot, that will remove all doubt; it does look like "Galactica class" to me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:57, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Something for [[BW:OC]]? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:14, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::If I had access to a scanner I would provide a high-res image to examine; unfortunately, I am a relatively-poor college student (and how many aren't these days?) and the only scanner access I have is a public-use scanner in our bookstore. However, the image Mercifull provided is the one I indicated in my first post. In my copy of the issue, the text clearly reads "Galactica-class Battlestar". I know this is a minor detail among many in a show so richly layered by the writers and producers, but I wanted to make sure the Battlestar Wiki was as accurate as possible; I use the Wiki to enhance my experience of this incredible drama. Thank you all for your timely responses to my question. --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 11:39, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
I hate to dredge up an old topic, but here's some food for thought that might support the theory that ''Galactica'' is the class name. Now, we're told that Galactica herself represented Caprica, the de facto capital of the colonies. Surely it stands to reason that the first battlestar built would be the one to represent the primary colony- Galactica. I know this is fanwanking, but I just thought of it and figured I'd voice my idea. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:26, 5 November 2007 (CST)

== Actual class name? ==

I can purely speculate that the actual name of the original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis'', in honor of the wife of assassinated President [[Wikipedia:John F. Kennedy|John F. Kennedy]], [[Wikipedia:Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis|Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis]]. So, ''Galactica'' is considered as an ''Onassis''-class battlestar. The prototype of its class, battlestar ''Onassis'' is destroyed in the renewed [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] conflict. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 21:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::LMAO at this troll.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:11, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
:And there's ''nothing'' to back this up with? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 02:06, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:And how would Colonials know of the Kennedys? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:29, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::Because they got information from Earth about these Kennedys before the Cylon Holocaust. Years before the [[Cylon War]], the battlestar prototype, ''Onassis'', is constructed, then ''Galactica'' itself. Therefore, we presume this original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis''. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 04:20, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I am ''very'' confused. There would have to be some serious cite for that change. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 05:10, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

I think that Starkiller is being absurd to prove a point, but, like others, I'm missing it. As per our convention, pure speculation is disallowed here without official sources to back it up. Since the picture of two BSG actors on an official set using props that match others with information cited as official and used here for articles (navigation charts) which indicates that ''Galactica'' is the first of her class, we should continue on this thread. Otherwise, Starkiller's comment is patent nonsense given that BSG is deliberately set so we don't know if the events occur in real-world Earth's past, present, or future. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:13, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I've heard on several occasions that Galactica may be an "Atlantia-class" battlestar, but have found nothing to support this online. I've also heard that the original Galactica was a "Columbia-class". Is this true? If so, is it possible that the re-imagined Galactica is also a Columbia-class? I think this should head on over to [[BW:OC]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:46, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::"Columbia-class" is common fan fiction. "Atlantia" class would make little sense: why would the fleet admiral use a old battlestar as his flagship? His ship would be Mercury class or something better (and more advanced--it was destroyed like the other [[CNP]] ships). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:34, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Then why does Adama choose Galactica as his flaghsip, and not Pegasus? There's nothing said on-screen to suggest that the Galactica-type battlestars were NOT re-fitted with computer networks. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Besides, the Atlantia mentioned in the mini could easily have been Mercury-class, and the original may have been retired like the Big G was. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:54, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Commanders don't have to choose the best and biggest ship as their flagship as long as they can do their duty from another one. Don't know who but some guy in WWII chose a destroyer or maybe a battleship as his command post and not an aircraft carrier. As long as there are options, there is some personal choice involved.
::::And you're right about networks. The Mini gives the distinct impression that it was only Adama's doing that the Galactica
::::wasn't more automated -[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:08, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Yeah, Admiral Raymond Spruance chose the cruiser USS Indianapolis as his flagship when he had multiple carriers at his disposal. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:11, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::As shown in events during the second half of season 2, Adama doesn't likely trust ''Pegasus'' crew. To quote Adama: "I tend to go with what you know, until something better comes along." So the decision is logical; he trusts ''Galactica'' and her crew, thus he plants his flag there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:52, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::An corollary to Joe's comments: It is very likely that there is a long-standing (but fading) tradition to keep ''Galactica'' from being refitted, just as our USS Constitution was never refitted as a steamer, in keeping with her (supposed) significancy in Colonial war history. Besides, to ''revert'' any ship from new to old technology is just weird and very unlikely. There may have been fewer commanders willing to assume command of ''Galactica'' in this tradition, but Adama, a man who knew all too well of the problems of technology (and had served on her in the last part of the war), chose ''Galactica'' willingly, I figure. This is reinforced with the arrival of ''Pegasus''. He could've moved his new admiral flag there, but he hasn't. He prefers to go with what he knows until something better shows up. The old battlestar ''Galactica'', in Adama's mind, is still best. ''Pegasus'' survived more on luck than inherent design. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:30, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

==Role==

As with the Mercury-class article, I've amended the class role to [[Wikipedia:Battlecarrier|battlecarrier]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:37, 27 September 2006 (CDT)

:Madbrood, I can appreciate the use, but based on your link, I disagree. The term "battlestar" is a true carrier AND battleship in one, where the "battlecarrier" of our Earth is a rough amalgam that doesn't come close in size, fighter capacity, or firepower. Further, I wonder if we want to use complext Earth naval terms instead of what is given in the show to describe the ships using simple naval language. "Carrier/battleship" is less "smooth" than "battlecruiser", but is is also more accurate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:44, 27 September 2006 (CDT)
::I agree. Battlecruiser is a nice term, but it really doesn't fit Galactica. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:35, 28 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Fair enough. I just figured it sounded a bit more "military". --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:47, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

::::I know. I'd love to put up "big, frakkin' warship/carrier with guns, lots of guns," but "warship/carrier" may have to do. Keeping it simple. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:33, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar Redirect ==
Battlestar (RDM) currently redirects here. The only reason this concerned me was I was actually linking to a more generic use of the word ("Adama had been on an another battlestar before ''Galactica''). Back when "big G" was the only one we knew of, it defintely made sense. Now that we have "''Galactica'' type", "Mercury class", and "''Valkyrie'' type" I was wondering if maybe we needed a more generic article to sit at battlestar (RDM) describing the aircraft carrier/battleship capital ship concept in more general terms, with ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and ''Valkyrie'' being specific examples. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:45, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:That sounds good to me, a general article explaing what battlestars are, listing known ones, mentioning BSGs, missions, etc. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:30, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::Rather than that, why not redirect to the central [[Battlestar]] disambiguation? It already has listed all battlestars by show and type, and avoids extra work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:26, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:::'''That''' is exactly what I wanted to link to. I just automatically tagged an RDM on the end of it. I'll go change that link, but I agree that we should just change Battlestar (RDM) to point to Battlestar (work smarter not harder). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:57, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Hah, I'd forgotten about that page. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:23, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:40, 4 December 2006 (CST)

== Life Support ==

How exactly do Galactica's life support systems work? I know their recirculation units replenish oxygen and remove carbon dioxide, but does this oxygen come from tanks or is it recycled from somewhere? The ISS uses electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, so is is possible that Galactica-type ships do something similar to this?--[[User:Rapturous|Rapturous]] 13:52, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
: Other than the scrubbers, it's really never been explained. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 14:03, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
::Theoretically, they could have a big room full of plants somewhere in the ship. Plants 'breathe in' carbon dioxide and 'breathe out' oxygen, the opposite of what we do. However, you would need some kind of imitation sun then, because the chemical reaction I just described can only occur in sunlight. Other (artifical) means of converting CO2 back to oxygen could also be used (scrubbers?), but like the plants they will also require energy to work. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 06:57, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Have you ever seen the film [[w:Sunshine (2007 film)|Sunshine]] Catrope?
:::http://www.sunshinedna.com/wp-images/2005/09/2109_06a.jpg
:::They used an oxygen garden in that to produce the breathable air :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:37, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Yep, I have. Spoilers for Sunshine follow: {{spoilli|In the scene where the ''Icarus II'' crew boards ''Icarus I'', you can see that her garden is still alive, because of the CO2 <-> O2 equilibrium between the plants and Captain Pinbacker who has lived there for seven years (having killed the rest of his crew).}} --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:58, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

== Galactica class pic to rear its head again ==

I ran across [http://acedmagazine.com/images/stories/battlestargalactica/battlestargalactica23.jpg this picture], which shows the "Galactica class battlestar" sheet again. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 12:21, 25 November 2007 (CST)
:Shall we [[BW:OC|ask Brad]] whether this is official or just something the props department made up? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:21, 26 November 2007 (CST)
:Maybe put it on a more prominent place in the article, but explain that such props aren't necessarily official or reliable. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 26 November 2007 (CST)

== Main Battery Numbers ==
I have noticed that there is some confusion on the number of these guns. In examining the the picture of the ventral side, I have noticed 12 guns. 8 are marked, while 4 (two starboard and two port) are partially concealed by the bottom of the bow. They are roughly between the forward four guns and the first four midships guns. --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 19:51, 13 January 2008 (CST)
:There are twelve marked (8+4). With another 4, that would make the original number of 24 correct (16 ventral + 8 dorsal). That's why being so pedantic about trivial stuff like ship armament is kinda annoying. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:27, 14 January 2008 (CST)

== Why the flight pods must be retracted ==

When Galactica made the jump that broke her spine, her flight pods were still out. It would seem that jumping with the pods extended on this class of ship causes undue structural strain. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 02:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
: This was never the real reason for the strain. Having the flight pods extended doesn't cause strain... the jump itself caused strain, particularly after the stress from ramming the Colony and from the previous wear and tear Galactica experienced over the four years. Starting from the nuke impacting on Galactica in the Mini, the stress of continually jumping away from the Colonies, the "Adama Maneuver" at New Caprica, the various engagements with the Cylons throughout the series, going through the star cluster, etc., etc. Tigh said way back in Season Three that it would take weeks of Galactica in drydock just to knock out the dents... and he wasn't joking. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, I know that. But jumping with the flight pods out (which has been thoroughly established to be a bad course of action for Galactica's class of battlestar) probably didn't help.

Talk:Stepchild/Archive 1

2009-04-11T03:04:53Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

According to scifi.com, three nuggets are killed and four vipers detroyed in the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]. The three onscreen deaths were [[Fireball]] (squadron leader, obviously not a nugget), [[Chuckles]] (nugget, Hand of God) and Stepchild. Since she resembles [[http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:Nuggetextra3.jpg unidentified nugget #3]] well enough, we may therefore assume that she was among their number, and infer her rank as Cadet.

Does anywhere know where her name originated from? I know she's credited as Stepchild on IMDB, but that's not a reliable source. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:33, 13 December 2005 (EST)

:Actually, Hot Dog was leader of Strike Force One, so we can't assume that Fireball was or was not. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:39, 13 December 2005 (EST)

::Hot Dog was clearly not the leader of Strike One. Fireball was giving him commands. Watch the episode again. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:52, 13 December 2005 (EST)

Ltcrashdown wrote:
:''Upon review of the footage, it looks like Stepchild had severe damage to her Viper, shown by the sparks, but since we don't see her Viper explode, it is possible that she survived.''

I believe that Ltcrashdown's edit to [[Perry]]'s article is worth keeping, since a character by his name was in fact mentioned as still living in a subsequent episode. However, Stepchild's death is clearly implied, and there is no evidence to the contrary. Thus, I do not feel that a note here is merited, and have reverted the edit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:30, 23 December 2005 (EST)

I'll admit that it doesn look like Stepchild died in the battle. The third nugget to die could be Spinner instead of Fireball if you read my subtitle transcript on Fireball's discussion page. Also, it's strange that scifi.com would list three dead nuggets and four destroyed Vipers. That could mean that one pilot survived, but his Viper did not (perhaps the heavily damaged Chuckles?). Just a thought. Ltcrashdown

:No, unfortunately, since a Viper is seen destroyed in an FX shot over the asteroid during the battle. The three dead nuggets/four destroyed vipers implies strongly that one of the killed pilots was not a nugget, which I take to be Fireball, the leader of Strike One. See my comments on [[Talk:Fireball]] for more. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:46, 23 December 2005 (EST)

::Sorry about that. I was under the impression that the above post about three dead nuggets and four VIpers meant that three pilots died and a fourth pilot ended up with a nearly wrecked Viper that was scrap and nearly unsalvageable. Ltcrashdown December 23, 2005

Stepchild is confirmed dead by Starbuck in her list of dead pilots in "[[Scar]]". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:48, 4 February 2006 (EST)

Indeed. Oh, I think Stepchild may have had a crush on Chuckles. Notice how preoccupied she is with his fate? Such that she isn't concentrating on keeping her own ass alive. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Galactica type battlestar/Archive 1

2009-04-04T02:04:12Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Why the flight pods must be retracted */ new section

Talk:Daybreak, Part II/Archive 1

2009-03-22T04:24:57Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* (Un)answered questions) */

== Move ==
Why move this? The way I understand this, this is still episode 20, but it will be lengthened to actually be 3 episodes long. So in a away there are 21/22 episodes even, and not 19. However, [http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html This] says that the season will be 11 hours and not 12, but that doesn't mean that we need to get rid of episode 19 already. Especially given that the finale will probably air in at least 2 parts. So it makes some sense to have separate episodes guides for two airings. By production numbers this would be one episode, but split apart by airdate numbers. Maybe we should wait for some further clarification. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:It could be split up into 3 parts in reruns. I think it would be easier to start with a single article and then split as necessary after it airs. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::If Sci Fi is gonna pull a Miniseries and air this thing in two parts, we should pull a Miniseries too and have [[Miniseries, Night 1|separate]] [[Miniseries, Night 2|articles]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Which we can do after we know where the break point is. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

There's no reason to split the article at this time. We won't know how things will be aired until they're actually aired. All we know for now is that the finale's been extended... that's it. Creating two or three sections based on something we have absolutely very little information on is just... ill-advised. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
:The proposal wasn't a split, but a merge with 419 I think (the article exists. It just isn't linked to, because it's an empty skeleton). But the result is the same. The way I understand it, 419+420 will be the finale then, with both episodes running 3 hours together (incl. ads I guess). We'll see. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, ok. Sounded like it would be a split, with at least one additional article, seeing as each article would cover an hour. Anyway, we don't have enough information to be certain; it's still really all up in the air, and they have now until doomsday to figure out how to release the thing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

==Title==
''Daybreak, Part 2'' (and ''Part 3'') [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Notes==

I recognised it immediately when watching the episode (and it's already on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daybreak_(Battlestar_Galactica)#Outside_references ), the "Kodiak" spacecraft from Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun can be seen among the fleet during this episode.

==(Un)answered questions)==

The following Ron Moore interview clears up some misunderstandings about the show: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html

1) Kara Thrace's father was NOT the lost cylon Daniel.

2) The Missiles Racetrack's Raptor (accidentally) fires at the cylon colony were nukes that severely damaged the colony and made it fall from its stable orbit into the singularity (black hole) so the colony has been utterly destroyed.

3) The Earth which is discovered in this episode is not the same planet that was discovered in "Revelations."
The Earth of "Revelations" was not the planet we now live on, but our Earth was named after it.

There are still a bunch of unanswered questions:

1) What is the nature of the divine power (although this was probably intentionally left unanswered.)

2) Who were the Lords of Kobol and what happened to that world?

3) How did the colonials get from Kobol to the colonies and if they were technologically advanced, how did they loose all knowledge of Kobol, save for some religious texts?

4) What happened to those who nuked the old Earth 2000 years ago, some of these victors would have survived, but they re never seen or heard from.

5) Why didn't Cavil and his cylons try to re-invent resurrection themselves as the technology wasn't that far ahead of them (it was re-invented by the final five on old-Earth in a civilization that hadn't even invented jump drives.)

6) How could the resurrection hub control all resurrection ships while there was never any mention of FTL-communication on the show and why wasn't the resurrection hub integrated into the colony rather than floating around in deep space, vulnerable and guarded by only 2 baseships.

7) Was the colony really the place where all cylons lived, was their civilization so small (and clearly no match for the colonial military before the holocaust) and are there no baseships left out there that still have cylons aboard who want to exact their revenge on humanity?

8) What happened to the other rebel cylons? Was it just the 3 baseships that rebelled, and if not, where are the other 2's, 6's and 8's?

9) How did Lee get everyone to agree to give up technology (even medical)?

10) Had it not made more sense to build new cities on Earth and rebuild the advanced colonial civilization, when everyone understood how important equal treatment of cylons and humans is, instead of letting Earth's humans build their own civilization thousands of years later, humans who are likely to make the same old mistakes with artificial intelligence and repeat the cycle?

11) How come no intelligent alien life has ever been encountered by colonials or cylons in their histories, but when it finally happens these aliens are identical to humans, who somehow evolved separately from the Kobol humans?
Somehow this amazing coincidence being an "act of God" seems like a rather unsatisfactory answer.

--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 21:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
::He doesn't actually say that about Kara. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, I've edited my post.

--[[User:Gully|Gully]] 21:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:I'd still like to know the origin of Kara's pristine Viper from her resurrection or how she died going into a gas giant with her corpse resting on a planet light-years away. And what the deal is with the Centurions from "Razor" and the Hybrid they deified. And while I understand his prophesy, I'd like to know why the old Hybrid didn't want Kara to lead a new civilisation to Earth. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 02:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Gully, as for question four the Thirteenth Tribe's Earth got nuked by their Centurions. From the surface, not from space. M.A.D.(Mutually Assured Destruction). The Final Five secretly built a ship and rebuilt resurrection(Which the 13th Tribe hadn't needed since first achieving reproduction on Kobol). That was how they escaped. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 04:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Viper 7242/Archive 1

2009-03-17T17:57:29Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

Talos wrote: The damage to 7242 was repaired amidst the constant [[Cylon]] attacks during the first week after [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|Ragnar]]. ([[33]])

:How do we know this? Apollo flies a Mk. VII in "33", and the number is never again referred to in dialog. Do you recall seeing a viper with that tail-numbering or the "Husker" name plate? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:24, 13 December 2005 (EST)
::Viper 7242 is visible behind Tyrol when, in 33, he says "Tell Captain Adama he owes me one wing." --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:43, 13 December 2005 (EST)
:::Good catch. I'll try to upload a screen capture. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:15, 13 December 2005 (EST)
[[Image:N7242C-33.jpg|thumb|right|Husker's tail number as of "[[33]]". Reads: ?7242C]]
::::Looks to me like it's still N7242C. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:59, 13 December 2005 (EST)
:::::In Pegasus, it's 7242NC. I'll get a screenshot soon. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:08, 25 December 2005 (EST)
::::::We have a case of N7242C on the actual full-size Viper prop, and 7242NC on the CGI model. Zoic goofed. Incidentally, did you see the teasers for Daybreak Part II? The Admiral in a Viper. A Viper Mark II. I would bet my @$$ it's this Viper here. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 17:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Raptor 718/Archive 1

2009-03-17T17:52:48Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* One unlucky Raptor number */

== ''Possibly'' Recovered? ==
I'm going to go out on a limb here and provocate that we haven't seen the last of this Raptor, nor its fate-sibling (Raptor 314). While the battle was chaotic and the ''Pegasus'' in dire straits, there isn't proof ''against'' a recovering "tug" of the two Raptors back into ''Pegasus'' while the rest of the fight was underway. Judging by the scene prior to the arrival of Cylon basestars, the distance from ''Pegasus'' to the two adrift Raptors wasn't that great, and it cannot be completely assumed that the two Raptors were abandoned. NATO military forces have this habit of going back into, or enduring, dire battle situations to recovered deceased members quite often. While we can speculate that the Raptor was lost, on account of the tremendous attack by the Cylons, we can equally speculate that it was actually recovered ''in spite of'' such an attack. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 02:37, 21 February 2006 (EST)

With three basestars bearing down on them, nukes hitting the ship, racing to get out, I find it incredibly improbable. We should presume that they were destroyed.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:59, 21 February 2006 (EST)

== One unlucky Raptor number ==

Given what has happened to both Raptor 718s, this doesn't appear to be a very lucky number for them. And "Shark" seems to be a bad callsign for Raptor crew. (Lyla "Shark" Ellway, ECO on the Pegasus 718 & J. "Shark" Finnegan, pilot of the Galactica 718) I'm going out on a bit of a limb, but it's possible the writers did this on purpose. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 17:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Jay Finnegan/Archive 1

2009-03-17T17:51:22Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

==Shark fin==
His last name is usually referred to in the shortened form, Finn. And his callsign is "Shark." "Shark" Finn, Shark fin. Am I the only person who spotted this? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 17:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Jay Finnegan/Archive 1

2009-03-17T17:50:23Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: Created page with '==Shark fin== His last name is usually referred to in the shortened form, Finn. And his callsign is "Shark." "Shark" Finn, Shark fin. Am I the only person who spotted this?'

==Shark fin==
His last name is usually referred to in the shortened form, Finn. And his callsign is "Shark." "Shark" Finn, Shark fin. Am I the only person who spotted this?

Talk:Raptor 718/Archive 1

2009-03-17T17:48:09Z

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Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 1

2009-03-04T01:04:30Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Timeline? */

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*Gaeta's invisible ghost is damned to walk the decks of CIC for all eternity, observing Adama finally succeeding in bringing humanity back from the brink, thus totally discrediting Gaeta's mutinous ideas. Fitting punishment for trying to evict Adama from his own ship.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

*Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Anders' readings, I would say they are definitely, in fact, All Along the Watchtower. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Viper 8757/Archive 1

2009-03-03T03:58:33Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

confusion....

Viper 8737 sounds similar...
but Thrace can only be killed in one Viper
which one ist the one?

== Sometimes A Great Notion ==

This page REALLY needs an update based on Sometimes A Great Notion. Kara finds the wreckage of the Mark II 8757 she was seen to die in. Complete with her corpse. And the transponder the brand-new 8757 locked on to came from the original 8757. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of Gamoray/Archive 1

2009-02-23T04:43:32Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: New page: ==Dialogue== Did Cain ever say in this episode, "Steady as she goes, take us right into the center"? ~~~~

==Dialogue==
Did Cain ever say in this episode, "Steady as she goes, take us right into the center"? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 04:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cain (TOS)/Archive 1

2009-02-23T04:37:40Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Cockpit screenshot */ new section

I was just wondering, after reading about the Biblical source for "Cain;" does anyone know if Adama was named after Adam? [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:23, 1 Feb 2005 (EST)

----

Take a look at [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]]...

--[[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:47, 1 Feb 2005 (EST)

==Sepcon Link?==
The link to "Academy" goes to a separate continuity article. Should we preserve the link, or keep it unlinked (as it would blend in with the other continuity)? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:48, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
: Yeah, go ahead. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 20:59, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

== Cockpit screenshot ==

Is Cain ever seen in the cockpit of his Viper, and if so does anybody have a screenshot? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 04:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:"Jolly" Anders/Archive 1

2009-02-23T04:17:16Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

What's the source for linking Jolly with Anders? Those happen to be the only two names we hear from the original Galactica air wing, so what makes them both the same person?[[User:D-Clancy|D-Clancy]] 17:12, 6 January 2006 (EST)
:Yeah, what gives? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 04:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:William Adama/Archive 1

2009-02-23T03:54:11Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Update needed */ new section

Just curious, but what's going on with the page? I thought it had more information than this... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:59, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

: As it turns out, [http://battlestarwiki.joebeaudoin.net/index.php?title=Adama%2C_William&oldid=3457 it did]? Is this currently being revised? If so, that's great. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:01, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

== Divorced? ==

Is there a source for his being divorced from Anne and a reason she is not mentioned in his "Marital Status" entry? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:17, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:I don't believe Adama was divorced from Anne at all, but in any case no episode data confirms that status. Note he wears a wedding ring in the miniseries. Also note his sadness on announcing Caprica City's nuking, suggesting other loved ones (maybe Anne) was a victim, too. The only information we can confirm thus far is that Adama married twice. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:29, 17 January 2006 (EST)

== OK, NOT the Adama I Expected to Get Kissed ==

Wow. [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] took me a bit by surprise at the end there. Not Cain getting shot, but Adama's little kiss with Roslin. That was an interesting turn. Not sure what to make of it, other than I was getting all girly-swishy watching it all like a soap opera. That should make the next episode more harder to watch with Roslin...well, don't want to spoil it. And damn, I'm glad the wiki's back up. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:32, 13 January 2006 (EST)

: I was ''incredibly'' impressed with Olmos' acting just after the kiss. After she turned away and his face fell... I could very easily sense the utter ''depth'' of sorrow the <s>Commander</s> Admiral was feeling. I've seen that face a few times in real life regarding real life sickness and loss and, well, as I said, I was impressed. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:35, 14 January 2006 (EST)

::Another good bit of Olmos' acting was in the last episode. I didn't notice it until after I listened to the podcast, but Olmos wipes away a tear as he turns around to hear Roslin say one more thing as he leaves Colonial One in the scene before the battle plan scene. He's a damn fine actor--they all are. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:36, 14 January 2006 (EST)

::I thought that RDM said something in the podcast about Olmos spontaneously adding the kiss, which is why Roslin's reaction is so good. --[[User:Deadlygopher|Deadlygopher]] 14:55, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:::That's correct. I learned this later myself when someone else noted this from the podcast as well as well as from the podcast when I listened in, too. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

== "Roll the hard six" ==

Does anyone know what "rolling the hard six" actually refers to? I know it has to do with the game of craps, but I don't know specifically what it means. It would help if i did, because I've started using it completley inadvertently in everyday speech, along with [[frak]]. My friends look at me like I'm insane, its pretty bad. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 00:52, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:Dude...Six is the highest number on dice. "Rolling the hard six" means getting a high number, when your really need it in a difficult situation...as this is a statistically rare occurance, it is "hard" to do. This doesn't refer to anything specific at all; this is intuitive.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:01, 29 January 2006 (EST)

::First, I don't think you're right. I believe the reference is more specific than that.
::Secondly, It would have been a simple matter to phrase your response without a condescending tone. Instead of what you actually said, you could've said "I think 'rolling the hard six' simply refers to actually rolling a six on a die. Since six is the highest number on dice, it means getting a high number when you really need it, and since rolling a 6 is statistically rare, it is "hard" to do."
::Why is it necessary to be rude to other members of the wiki? It only encourages them to be rude back to you, and I know you've had problems with users flaming you in the past - well, this is why they did it. A less civilized person might decide to insult you every chance they get, after the several comments you've made at me.
::When you insult me or other frequent posters, it is merely an annoyance. However, when you insult those who are relatively new to the wiki, you are actually scaring them. I know if I got a comment like that on my first post, I might decide never to post again. This damages the wiki, as there may be quality posters waiting in the wings who you could be scaring off. Please, choose your words carefully and refrain from being rude - to everyone, from newbs to admins and everyone in between. --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 11:13, 29 January 2006 (EST)
:::This is not rude, it is blunt honesty, and should be taken as such.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 11:27, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:::: There're plenty of ways to be honest and even blunt, but not rude. In fact, I don't think you were very blunt at all. Blunt would have been more like: "Six is the highest number on dice. That is "hard" to roll." And BMS's sample would have been ''just'' as honest (read: truthful) as your post. Additionally, just because you intended something to be blunt and honest, but not rude, doesn't mean others must take it that way; the onus is on ''you'' to make sure your intent is clear in the words and phrases you choose. --[[User:Day|Day]] 13:05, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:In [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craps standard craps]], "hard six" specifically refers to the combination 3-3 on two dice. You can roll a six 5 different ways (1-5,2-4,3-3,4-2,5-1) only 1 of which is "hard". When a player needs a six, any of the combinations will do. The odds against making a ''hard'' six are 10-1, since only 1 outcome is favorable and 10 are unfavorable (namely, the other 4 ways to make a six, and all 6 ways to make a seven). So the symmetry and low frequency of 3-3 lead to its special designation. The same is true of hard 4, 8 and 10. There is no "hard 2" or "hard 12" for a variety of reasons including the obvious one (there's only one way to roll them anyhow). --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 12:40, 29 January 2006 (EST)
::Actually, the odds of rolling a hard six are ''36 to 1'' rather than 10 to 1. There are 36 (6x6) possible combinations with two dice, only one of which (3-3) is the one you need. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:48, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:: Thanks, John. This has been bugging me for a long time, too. Now we all know. --[[User:Day|Day]] 13:05, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:::Yes, yes, thank you. I am quite sorry. Please, let's put this unpleasantness behind us.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 13:14, 29 January 2006 (EST)
::::That's what I thought it was. I've noticed that I've also been saying this in normal conversation. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:32, 29 January 2006 (EST)
:::::Thanks a ton John. That helps a lot, now I can actually explain it when someone asks. Talos: its pretty bad, isn't it? Doesn't mean I'm gonna stop doing it, though! --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 13:42, 29 January 2006 (EST)

::::::Hey, don't feel bad, I insert it into conversation ''on purpose''--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 14:16, 29 January 2006 (EST)

==Husker==
Say, is there a way to get the Character template to stop saying William "Husker" Adama? He has not been addressed as Husker, so it might be more of a confusion than anything to have it say that. As a Commander and now an Admiral, he has not been known as a Viper pilot for quite a while. Long before we became "acquainted" with him. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 23:47, 24 February 2006 (EST)
:Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either (or anything on that template, for that matter) - but if we get rid of his callsign, should we also get rid of Lee's? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:59, 24 February 2006 (EST)

== Sources? ==

There are lots of things in this article that weren't stated in any of the shows. Shouldn't these things have notes as to their sources?

"At the outbreak of the first Cylon War, Adama was serving in the Colonial Fleet as a Viper pilot. He allegedly gained the call sign of "Husker" on account of his baritone "gravelled" voice. He proved to be a gifted pilot, shooting down his first Cylon on his very first mission. He racked-up his 1,000th deck landing while serving aboard the Battlestar Atlantia (Act of Contrition), when he held the rank of Lieutenant. "

Where is all that from? I can only imagine the Video Game, which is not a legitimate source (according to the Citation Jihad Project)

"before the pressures of Adama's career and the time he spent away from home of active service began to place a strain on their marriage."

Has it ever been stated why they divorced?

"but within a few years he had been discharged as the result of a reduction-in-force."

We don't know why he was discharged.

Just a few examples.

:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> makes a magic signature thing, though you have to make your own dashes.
:We certainly know he was a gifted viper pilot, though the "in the First Cylon War" part might be based on deleted scenes. (The flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc., certainly say it.) We know he had the callsign "Husker" as well, though, again, maybe just from deleted scenes (the flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc., probably); I don't recall knowing why he got it. I don't recall the kill on first mission, either. The 1,000th deck landing thing is apparently referenced in [[Act of Contrition]], which fits with the celebration that was interrupted by the errant probe, but I admit not recalling the line; checking the transcripts would verify.
:I don't recall knowing the reason Adama is estranged from his wife, but I do recall that we do not know if they are divorced at all (see above section).
:I believe the reduction in force reason was at least heavily implied in deleted scenes (the flashbacks to Adama and Tigh meeting, etc.).
:So, the stuff I'd be worried about is the reason for the callsign, the kill on the first mission, and the reason for his estrangement from his wife. All seem reasonable (and the last almost certain), but that's not good enough; someone else can probably source them, though. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:02, 9 March 2006 (CST)

We know his callsign because it was printed by the cockpit of his Mark 2 viper in the miniseries.

We don't know wny adama is estranged from his wife, but we know he was divorced because in the miniseries, apollo says that she is getting remarried.

We don't know why Tigh and Adama ended up on a freighter. Maybe they quit after the war? Maybe they were tossed out as reduction in force. It's never said.

: Both Adama and Tigh were honorably discharged after the war. The only reason why Adama got in was because his "new wife" had pull in the Colonial Military. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:26, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:You're right about the callsign, though I'd note I did say that we knew it.
:Popping in that DVD, indeed such a marriage is mentioned. (Though it did bring to mind my inability to recall mention that they were ever married.)
:While I was popping in DVD's, I confirmed the [[Atlantia]] location for Adama's 1000th landing. (Kara tells a story about it in [[Act of Contrition]].) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 18:55, 12 March 2006 (CST)

Regarding the discharge of Adama and Tigh, I think that they were most likely honorably discharged, since the fleet eventually re-hired them. The issue here though is WHY were they honorably discharged? Did they themselves resign, or did the Fleet downsize them out of the service?

After World War II, the government didn't really have much problems with military size, as a great number of people merely did not reenlist.. and who could blame them? Did Adama and Tigh do the same thing? were they so sick of war that they got themselves out of the service, only to find civilian life unsatisfying?

We just don't know, and stating otherwise as fact probably isn't the best thing to do.

== Cleanup Required ==

This article is one of our longest. I wouldn't necessarily want to lose the central bio, but we should move the first season info into a subarticle, or severely condense it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:51, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

This article now possesses the first truncated character bio for a major character. Discussions of the article appear in [[User talk:Spencerian/Shortbio]] and the original mock page is at [[User:Spencerian/Shortbio]]. In short, the goal of this adjustment to highlight the important notes of the character with a minimum of narrative or rehashing of episode data already present in other articles. In short, the bio page reflects more on who the character is, and less on what he's done that's not something of remarkable note and which hasn't been noted ''ad nauseum'' to another article. Truncated character bios also reduce the article size to prevent issues with older browsers and readers, and make it easier for all to edit and update since historical information can simply be added in a few bullets. We haven't set this format officially, so now is the time to comment and critique this live version. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:54, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

: I like. I went in and fixed some typos. I wonder if "background" might not be made to be even shorter. As it stands, it's nearly as long as the in-series stuff we've seen. Maybe that's just an artifact of his having a lot of background provided to us in the show (as opposed to the reletively equal amount of BG exposition each character received in the Mini). Anyway, I think this is a lot more wieldy. I would not be opposed to other lengthy character pages moving to a similar format. Maybe we should make some S&C regarding it, though, first. Not sure. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 14:05, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

::Right. The bullets allow better condensing, so if there's more there that's really an episode comment rather than a distinguishing character comment, then it should be removed. The essense of ''what he is'' is different than how we need to talk about ''what he does''. I have [[Gaius Baltar]] next on my target for such a truncation once we approve the format, then Roslin. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:17, 14 July 2006 (CDT)

I am opposed to this use of bulleted list on a character page. I understand that it is to long, but it's not good this way. I'll work on it later. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:20, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

: I am, personally, fine with bullets, but don't feel married to them. A narrative format giving this same level of information is, to me, equally desirable. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS]) 15:04, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Mum and Pop Adjustment ==

Since the authenticity of the character's parents was correctly called into question by Merv per Citation Jihad guidelines, Sky One information on the character's parents, specifically Evilyn Adama, has been removed as its official source cannot be verified. The brief character page for Ms. Adama has also been removed. We may likely know more once [[Caprica (series)|Caprica]] airs. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:44, 28 July 2006 (CDT)

== His service file in "Hero" ==

Here is the service file from "Hero":

- Born H5/21290 and raised in the colony of Caprica, in [Qualia], a small coastal community. 
- Mother Evelyn Adama, an accountant. 
- Father Joseph Adama, a prominent attorney who specialized in criminal defense and civil liberties. 

MILITARY SERVICE 
D6/21311 First commission: Battlestar Galactica fighter squadron 
E4/21312 Commendation for shooting down Cylon fighter in first combat mission 
D3/21314 Mustered out of service post armistice 
H5/21317 Served as Deck Hand in merchant fleet and as crewman aboard inter-colony tramp freighters 
D1/21331 Recommissioned to Fleet 
D2/21337 Major: Battlestar Atlantia 
R3/21341 Executive Officer: Battlestar Columbia 
C2/21345 Commander: Battlestar Valkyrie 
C2/21348 Commander: Battlestar Galactica 

What doesn't make sense is that he was XO on ''Valkyrie'' only 3 years ago. I got the distinct impression that he was on ''Galactica'' for a longer time. For example Gaeta, Starbuck and possibly Tyrol make statements that they served with him for 2-3 years on seperate occassions.
Given his stated service time of 45 years, it would put the current year at 21356. That would also put the Valkyrie mission 8 years back. So assuming that it was 8 instead of 3 years, everything would fit again --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== Is Adama a Cylon? ==

This might sound far-reaching, but I don't think it is. [[Leoben]] hinted at the possibility, and we see him in another episode (sorry, don't remember which one) crushing pecan shells (or walnuts?) with his bare hands. Who do we know has superhuman strength? The human-Cylons as evidenced by when Leoben rips apart a pipe at the Ragnar station, and when Kara is fist-fighting 6 on Caprica, along with some other shows of strengths by human cylons that I'm neglecting to mention.

He might be one of the Final Five. Perhaps the Final Five were a rebellious group trying to help the humans, and that's why the other seven don't talk about them.
-- [[User:Rhorn|supercheetah]] 05:41, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:Adama has a son and served in the original Cylon War. He cannot be a Cylon. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:32, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Perhaps he was one of the first human-Cylons. Serving in the first Cylon War may have been a rebellion on his part. --[[User:Rhorn|supercheetah]] 20:44, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Not possible. The [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylons]] were purely mechanical (identical in appearance to their [[Centurion (TOS)|Original Series versions]]), not humanoid as many are now. The humanoids weren't built until sometime between the end of the Cylon War and probably a short time before the second. William Adama has a child but also was the son of another [[Joseph Adama|mentioned-only character]], of which a new character, [[Romo Lampkin]], has studied under, which verifies Adama's humanity. Cylons are effectively infertile (with [[Sharon Agathon|one]] exception). Check out the articles "[[Humanoid Cylon speculation]]" for notable characters that are eligible for suspicion, and [[Characters eliminated from suspicion|a list of characters with virtually no possibility]] of being a Cylon for some additional insight. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:08, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

== Who here thinks Adama is a bad Commander==

In the origional series he was really a good commander, but here, all he did was get assigned to a bad ship and not get promoted to Admiral. I've looked at the episode in a whole and see how bad Adama is in the CIC. When they get attacked in the miniseries all he does is exchange pleasentries with his XO whole a nuke is imbound that is going to kill 85 of his men. I don't want to sound rude, but shouldn't the great hero be a little smarter than he is. His own son was a better commander than he was as he at least cripled a Baseship by maneuvering the Pegasus instead of just sitting there letting his Vipers do all the work while he is outmaneuvered, outgunned, and outmatched every time. --[[User:Sith Penguin Lord|Sith Penguin Lord]] 15:34, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:Remember that Adama planned the Battle of New Caprica. Granted, Pegasus had to intervene, but the plan was a daring one. Also remember that, like Apollo said, "command is about people". Adama's crew trusts him, and he knows how to communicate with his crew and defuse issues. For an example of the latter, I refer to the scene in "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" in which Tigh and Gaeta are arguing, and Adama approaches Gaeta in a friendly way and gets him to work. Also, when a nuke is gonna hit you in 10 seconds, it's too late to do anything but pray the Vipers will take it down. Weapon batteries are powered off (they're no use against just two Raiders), and maneuvering a mile-long ship in such a short time is also not doable. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:43, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

::The RDM Adama is more straightlaced but experienced military man, with his flaws that come with that. Bill Adama is also a ''cool cucumber'' in the heat of battle, with no dramatics like Captain Kirk would have. Character history shows that he does that purposely to show other crew an example of calm and discipline. [[Felix Gaeta]] emulates Adama often in season 1 with that same demeanor. The TOS Adama was more of a blend between the military Adama and [[Laura Roslin]]'s spiritual and civilian outlook. Adama and Saul Tigh have a rapport with each other that has kept them calm through experience: They both served in the Cylon War, which was horrific in the worst way. Perhaps they don't overreact because (1) they knew that a battlestar could take a nuke hit (it is designed to) and (2) they've seen worse.

::Don't discount Adama's strategy at the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. It ''worked'' and very well. But every strategy has its weaknesses, and Adama knew that if more than two baseships engaged ''Galactica'', they were in trouble. His son (who's learned to be a good battlestar commmander himself) showed equal thoughtfulness in (1) coming to the battle (2) leaving his Vipers behind as protection for the last of humanity just in case, and (3) realizing that sacrificing one battlestar against 4 baseships was worth it to keeping one battlestar alive. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 20 April 2007 (CDT) ([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])

:I kinda like that he isn't really a man of action. Outwards, he is calm, reserved and contemplative. However he was very strong feelings and everyone now and then they shine through. Sometimes that's in private like him crushing the nuts in "Home" or slamming his desk in "Exodus, Part I". Sometimes, it's public ally, and that's when really bad things happen, like his decision to overthrow Roslin in "Kobol's Last Gleaming".
:He isn't prone to theatrics and doesn't forcefully show off his authority with barking dramatic orders all the time. That's somewhat unusual for SciFi leads. Jeffrey Sinclair from B5 comes to mind as well, but that character isn't offset with something else. But all in all, I wouldn't say that he's a bad commander. He makes some bad calls now and then when his feelings get the better of him, but also some good decisions.
:Lee is really more of an action figure, and maybe the writers want to contrast that. But good results now and then don't necessarily make a better leader. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:03, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:Not that it matters very much, but I realized it just now: ''Pegasus'' is a much bigger, much more powerful and possibly more maneuverable ship than ''Galactica'', therefore taking out a basestar with ''Pegasus'' is not as much of an accomplishment as taking out a basestar with ''Galactica''. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 17:11, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
:[[BW:NOT|Battlestar Wiki is not a forum]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:13, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

== Disliking guesses ==

Anyone think that Adama's dislike of his officers guessing (Water) is an homage to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle?

''"I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."''

Just a thought :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:25, 5 November 2007 (CST)

== Adama asleep in jump ==

:In ''[[Scattered]]'', Adama was asleep the whole time of the jump from here to there escaping the Cylons by the fact he was unconcscius where in [[33]], everyone was awake the whole 5 days. This could support that u can sleep through a jump. by why keep the fleet up for five days? [[User:CoreyDanian]]
*They weren't all up. Crew had to be awake to operate the vessels. But passengers were asleep. And it can be hard to sleep when you're scared, even if you're tired as frak. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:18, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

== Admiral and commander oblivious to one another's assassination plans? ==

Source for this? I got the vibe that each knew on some level what the other was plotting. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

== Update needed ==

*This page needs an update more than the ''Galactica'' needs an overhaul. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of the Binary Star System/Archive 1

2009-02-23T03:46:12Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Upside-down Viper landing */ new section

Based on the white board at the end of the episode, there were only five deaths total for the entire episode (both Raptor crews and Garner). It's possible that just means there were a lot of injured personnel, and is good news considering the entire Pegasus could have been lost. --Ltcrashdown 08:48, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:Particularly since ''Galactica'' lost some 85 crew when hit with a single nuke, while ''Pegasus'' took three. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:36, 18 February 2006 (EST)

: The real number we'll have to examine is the next episode. For all we know, the casualties (deaths) could still be in the process of counting, since during the chaos of a battle (especially one as heated), there is no way for certain to keep an accurate count. It's best done in the hours (perhaps day) afterwards, when a thorough head count, or assessment, can be done. But yes, it does look optimistic, doesn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:42, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:Consider that A) Galactica has had much of it's armor stripped B) Pegasus is more advanced C) Galactica lost 85 people but not directly because of the nukes; remember, there was a fire that they didn't want to get to the fuel lines (blowing up the whole ship) so Col. Tigh vented the atmosphere. I think it reasonable that Pegasus could have just been "lucky" and managed to get most of the people out of damaged areas before they got vented to space; again, it wasn't the nukes that actually killed that many people. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:07, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Looking at the episode(and the photo)I would think that baseship is either crippled or destroyed. I know Hoshi said that the baseship was moving off but, that was before PEGASUS fired her final salvo. Any thoughts?--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 17:44, 21 February 2006 (EST)
: Given the evidence we have, I think "heavily damaged" suffices. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 19:40, 21 February 2006 (EST)

Left moving under her own power, Pegasus not intent on destroying it, probably would have tried to focus on the two still actually attacking it, etc. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:58, 22 February 2006 (EST)

:Yes, when Lee Adama orders "left, full" after the first basestar backs off, I think the implication was that he as going to turn his attention to one of the other two. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:00, 22 February 2006 (EST)

==Casualties==
IMO, this article makes too much of the damage/casualties suffered by ''Pegasus'', which in hindsight appear to have been fairly minor. Only five people were killed based on the survivor count - Garner, [[Richard Bayer]], [[Lyla Ellway]] and the crew of [[Raptor 314]]. This makes the idea that additional raptors or vipers were lost implausible. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:30, 8 April 2006 (CDT)
:I agree. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:31, 8 April 2006 (CDT)
::There's always a chance a few babies were born.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:12, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Doesn't happen on screen, so I won't speculate. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:55, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

== Materiel Losses ==
I think we should change the "heavy damage to Pegasus" to "minor damage to Pegasus" because there are no visiblie damages. The biggest loss is the life from their commande... --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 19:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
: Agreed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
: Might depend on how "minor" one considers the loss of FTL is in a combat situation. Significant damage does not have to be visible. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
: There is one little hull breach. The FTL is off. The commander pulls a wheel and they can jump back. And no word about the damages in the next episodes. The damage cannot be "heavy". If it would be heavy they would need help from the Fleet or Galactica (and time to repair) and I am sure, they had mentioned that in a later episode.

== Upside-down Viper landing ==

Can anyone furnish a screenshot of this? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Zoic/Archive 1

2009-02-23T03:35:34Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: New page: ==Zoic's List of Battlestars== Does anybody here have this list or a transcript or whatever of it? ~~~~

==Zoic's List of Battlestars==
Does anybody here have this list or a transcript or whatever of it? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:35, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pythia/Archive 1

2009-02-23T03:24:52Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

==Pythia a Hybrid?==
Given the information we've gained from season four, it is possible that Pythia was actually a Hybrid. It would explain how she knew so much. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
: That's probably impossible, since the Hybrids were created by the Centurions during the 12 Colonies war before the Final Five arrived from Earth. Pythia existed long before that. [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 20:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::Anders' comments suggest Hybrids were a "first step" each time the Cylons evolved. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Pythia/Archive 1

2009-02-20T20:34:07Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: New page: ==Pythia a Hybrid?== Given the information we've gained from season four, it is possible that Pythia was actually a Hybrid. It would explain how she knew so much. ~~~~

Talk:Dirk Benedict/Archive 1

2009-02-20T00:04:23Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

Updated from Dirk's site (probably official) as well as other online sources that corroborate the same information. Cool, he has a son named Roland as well. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:54, 10 January 2006 (EST)

Shouldn't there be a mention about his borderline psychotic rant/editorial against the reimagined series? --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 00:19, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:If you can find an article with a credited source that contains the rant that can be quoted by fair use, please do so. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 16 January 2006 (EST)

::What about this one: http://www.dirkbenedictcentral.com/home/articles-readarticle.php?nid=5. Seeming to be from his (probably) official site, I would take it as a creditable source. --[[User:Jcnventura|Jcnventura]] 09:52, 16 March 2006 (CST)

I know this doesn't relate at all to what we're here to do, but just for curiosity, what do you guys think about his comments?
> "'Re-imagining', they call it. 'un-imagining' is more accurate. To take what once was and twist it into what never was intended. So that a television show based on hope, spiritual faith, and family is unimagined and regurgitated as a show of despair, sexual violence and family dysfunction."
> "The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak, and wracked with indecision while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp) and not about to take it any more."
Personally, I haven't seen the original (sorry, maybe I'm not a serious enough fan), but first off, I think Adama is practically the most solid and principled character in the show. A little hesitation just makes him human (which, when I last checked, is what he's supposed to be playing). Secondly, I always thought the despair, violence and dysfunction is what made the show so real (real where it counts). It's a show about humans fighting aliens in space. There's very little that can be done wrong regarding fighting aliens, but everything can be done wrong portraying humans. Thankfully, I think very little has. Again, I'm sorry for bringing such a off-topic convo here, but I'm really interested in what you other guys think. Especially if you've seen both. Thanks in advance. [[User:Thorn|Thorn]] 02:52, 25 January 2007 (CST)
:My personal opinion is that he's bitter about the whole thing. In the Singer/SeSanto project he was supposed to play Starbuck and Richard hatch wasn't involved. Of course all that got shelved and then RDM got to make his version and there was no place for a cliché "ladies man" like TOS Starbuck. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:24, 25 January 2007 (CST)

==Big Brother 2007==
I have found some CLEAR references to Battlestar Galactica in the Big Brother House!

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2505/bigbrotherbsgreferencesra1.jpg

Or am I just being a geek? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 14:35, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Hey! :-) I think, you are a geek, Mercifull. ;-) But being on the topic of Big Brother - is it possible to update the Dirk picture here in the article with the promo shot from the channel4.com BB-Homepage? [http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/media/housemates/profiles/cbb/housemate_dirk_185.jpg Pic can be found here] I mean, would there be any copyright issues? --[[User:CC-Mel|CC-Mel]] 15:04, 19 January 2007 (CST)
:If it's a promo shot on CBS' web page, it's fair use for us. I'll add it. And yes, Mercifull, you're a geek. At least move out of your mom's basement and into the garage apartment. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:15, 19 January 2007 (CST)

== Redemption? ==

There's a very interesting 'A few words from Dirk..' section in the [http://www.universal-playback.com/battlestar/ Universal Playback website]. I guess this is as official as it gets.. Someone should transcript it (and some of the questions). He doesn't endorse the new series but goes into the 'A lot has changed since 1978, but the series is still loved'.. -- [[User:Jcnventura|Jcnventura]] 12:05, 30 January 2008 (CST)

== That picture of Benedict and Sackhoff ==

That is the ultimate in Battlestar Galactica visual puns, IMO. Where did it come from? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's from a photo op that Benedict grudgingly agreed to sometime while production was ramping up on the first season. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::I meant, where did whoever added the photo to the article find the photo? P.S. I wonder if Dirk's gotten over it yet? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 00:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Dirk Benedict/Archive 1

2009-02-20T00:03:09Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

Talk:Dirk Benedict/Archive 1

2009-02-19T20:21:17Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* That picture of Benedict and Sackhoff */ new section

Updated from Dirk's site (probably official) as well as other online sources that corraborate the same information. Cool, he has a son named Roland as well. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:54, 10 January 2006 (EST)

Shouldn't there be a mention about his borderline psychotic rant/editorial against the reimagined series? --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 00:19, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:If you can find an article with a credited source that contains the rant that can be quoted by fair use, please do so. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 16 January 2006 (EST)

::What about this one: http://www.dirkbenedictcentral.com/home/articles-readarticle.php?nid=5. Seeming to be from his (probably) official site, I would take it as a creditable source. --[[User:Jcnventura|Jcnventura]] 09:52, 16 March 2006 (CST)

I know this doesn't relate at all to what we're here to do, but just for curiosity, what do you guys think about his comments?
> "'Re-imagining', they call it. 'un-imagining' is more accurate. To take what once was and twist it into what never was intended. So that a television show based on hope, spiritual faith, and family is unimagined and regurgitated as a show of despair, sexual violence and family dysfunction."
> "The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak, and wracked with indecision while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp) and not about to take it any more."
Personally, I haven't seen the original (sorry, maybe I'm not a serious enough fan), but first off, I think Adama is practically the most solid and principled character in the show. A little hesitation just makes him human (which, when I last checked, is what he's supposed to be playing). Secondly, I always thought the despair, violence and dysfunction is what made the show so real (real where it counts). It's a show about humans fighting aliens in space. There's very little that can be done wrong regarding fighting aliens, but everything can be done wrong portraying humans. Thankfully, I think very little has. Again, I'm sorry for bringing such a off-topic convo here, but I'm really interested in what you other guys think. Especially if you've seen both. Thanks in advance. [[User:Thorn|Thorn]] 02:52, 25 January 2007 (CST)
:My personal opinion is that he's bitter about the whole thing. In the Singer/SeSanto project he was supposed to play Starbuck and Richard hatch wasnt involved. Of course all that got shelved and then RDM got to make his version and there was no place for a cliché "ladies man" like TOS Starbuck. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:24, 25 January 2007 (CST)

==Big Brother 2007==
I have found some CLEAR references to Battlestar Galactica in the Big Brother House!

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2505/bigbrotherbsgreferencesra1.jpg

Or am I just being a geek? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 14:35, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Hey! :-) I think, you are a geek, Mercifull. ;-) But being on the topic of Big Brother - is it possible to update the Dirk picture here in the article with the promo shot from the channel4.com BB-Homepage? [http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/media/housemates/profiles/cbb/housemate_dirk_185.jpg Pic can be found here] I mean, would there be any copyright issues? --[[User:CC-Mel|CC-Mel]] 15:04, 19 January 2007 (CST)
:If it's a promo shot on CBS' web page, it's fair use for us. I'll add it. And yes, Mercifull, you're a geek. At least move out of your mom's basement and into the garage apartment. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:15, 19 January 2007 (CST)

== Redemption? ==

There's a very interesting 'A few words from Dirk..' section in the [http://www.universal-playback.com/battlestar/ Universal Playback website]. I guess this is as official as it gets.. Someone should transcript it (and some of the questions). He doesn't endorse the new series but goes into the 'A lot has changed since 1978, but the series is still loved'.. -- [[User:Jcnventura|Jcnventura]] 12:05, 30 January 2008 (CST)

== That picture of Benedict and Sackhoff ==

That is the ultimate in Battlestar Galactica visual puns, IMO. Where did it come from? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Viper 289

2009-02-16T21:47:29Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

[[Image:Viper289 FotP.JPG|thumb|Viper 289 ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])]]

'''Viper 0289NC''' is a [[Viper Mark II]] spacefighter scrapped by Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] after a careful inspection to see if the fighter could be rebuilt for flight.

Tyrol notes severe canopy, fuselage and wing damage, but also severe damage to the fighter's [[avionics|hydraulic systems]], discovering that the fighter is leaking fluid.

After ripping out some [[datacord]] to ensure that the ship cannot be accidentally reflown, Tyrol marks the fighter as scrapped. Its parts are subsequently used to repair and maintain other Vipers ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

==Notes==
* This is not [[Viper 591]], which [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]] crashed in the [[Final Cut|previous episode]].

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Talk:Resurrection (RDM)/Archive 1

2009-02-16T20:57:57Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Star Wars "Dark Empire" similarities */ new section

==Regarding the Caprican Facilities==
We don't know if they existed....in fact, the only comments we've gotten regarding Boomer's specific Resurrection imply that it was actually on a resurrection ship assigned to the tweleve colonies. And if she, who died months after the attack, did not resurrect in a facility, I doubt there was any on the planet....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:06, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

:There's still the matter of the numerous downloads on New Caprica. The "where" is still in question, and Resurrection Ships are pretty large to hide... :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:41, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

::The ship only needs to be somewhere in the solar system and not really in orbit of the planet. We know that at least several other planets are in the same system as Caprica; possibly all. But all ever see is Caprica. For all we know it could be in orbit of, let's say, Aerelon and the signal run time is - just inventing a number here - one hour. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:17, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

:::I agree. But it has to be close. I'm sorry if the article implies that they have to be near. There's nothing yet to suggest that resurrections happen only on Resurrection Ships (assuming there's more than one), so something's up here. Could be an [[BW:OC]] question, but Ngarenn has been very quiet (and likely very busy). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:33, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Btw, I noticed you talked about '''New''' Caprica there, while I thought this was about Old Caprica, so to speak. Obviously there is only one planet at New Caprica, but there could have been a RS somewhere in the Twelve Colonies system. But I think assuming that the resurrection of Boomer and Six took place on the planet iself is equally valid. And it makes more sense for them to build a planet-bound facility there than on New Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:41, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::Actually, Ngarenn did confirm that Resurrection happened either on a Resurrection ship or on a Resurrection Facility on the colonies [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Sources:Cylon_homeworld](not in the homeworld). So this leaves it ambiguous. However, we know Caprica Six was reorn in the Ship (too soon for facilities), and according to Grace Park, "boomer is resurrected in a ship" [http://board.thescifiworld.net/viewtopic.php?t=806&sid=60057d056a2b52f7a44b77433852b221].

:::::So basically, Ngarenn said that Resurrection in the 12 Colonies was either on a Resurrection Ship or on a Facility on the planets (Not Homeworld). We know Six was reborn in a ship, and only Boomer was ambiguous, until Grace told us she was reborn in a ship. So this means, in my opinion, that resurrections in the 12 col. were taken care of by a Resurrection Ship somewhere in the system.

:::::And I am talking about the 12 Col. here. New Caprica is probably the same, but we only know factually of the 12 Col. which is the info presented above :p--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:48, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

I've been wondering - in Rapture the implication to me in Rapture was that Athena downloaded to the Basestar that Hera was on. Do folks think that she downloaded to an unseen resurrection ship and then got over to the Basestar somehow? [[User:Meatwad|Meatwad]] 12:24, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:She downloaded to a Resurrection Ship, which was focused on by the camera before we saw her in the tank. If Basestars could resurrect Cylons, Resurrection Ships would be unnecessary. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:46, 6 November 2007 (CST)

== Star Wars "Dark Empire" similarities ==

In the "Dark Empire" Star Wars comics, Palpatine repeatedly cheats death by transferring his consciousness into clones of his body. The Cylon resurrection process strikes me as similar. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Lee Stringer/Archive 1

2009-02-14T20:41:39Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

==CPT Lee Stringer "Valkyrie"==
On our orthos pic for the Viper Mark II, that's what the nameplates say. Why is there no reference? I'm just curious. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Lee Stringer/Archive 1

2009-02-14T20:40:00Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: New page: ==CPT Lee Stringer "Valkyrie"== On our orthos pic for the Viper Mark II, that's what the nameplates say. Why is there no reference? I'm just curious. ~~~~

Talk:Viper 2220 (Mark VII)/Archive 1

2009-02-13T02:23:59Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

== Merge ==
One is a Mk II, while the other is a Mk VII. Hence they can't be the same. I'd say we keep the two pages separate. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:41, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
: I (obviously) agree, since I was the one who happened upon this peculiar discovery... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 16:05, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
::Playing devil's advocate, I should mention the [[Viper 7961]] article, since it's another of the reused numbers. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:48, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
:::We can split that article as well, since they are on two different subjects. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 16:50, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Aye, I agree, just wanted to see your thoughts on it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:31, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::Sure, not a problem, Talos. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 20:20, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
Sorry about that, I mixed up [[Viper 2220]] and [[Viper 220]], the latter of which ''is'' a Mark VII. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:27, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
: No worries. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 20:20, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
Anyone notice that in the bit in He That Believeth In Me where we get a close enough look at this Viper to see the back of the cockpit it changes the original version of the Mark VII(Note the different colour of the hull and the sleeker contours), but when we see it in battle it reverts to the Maelstrom-onward version? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 02:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Stepchild

2009-02-12T04:29:36Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

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|rank= Ensign
|actor= [[Camille Sullivan]]
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'''Stepchild''' is a [[nugget]] selected to fill out the ranks after a disastrous deck accident kills thirteen experienced pilots ([[Act of Contrition]]).

She flies with [[Lee Adama]] during a raid on a [[Cylon]] [[tylium]]-manufacturing base as part of Strike Force Two, and is killed during the operation ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). She is among the dead pilots mentioned by [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] in [[Scar]].

==Notes==
*Many transcripts mistake Kat as the pilot who says "Chuckles bought it, he's going down." It is actually Stepchild who says this, and who in fact buys it herself just as she finishes the sentence.

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Stepchild

2009-02-12T04:29:07Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

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|rank= Ensign
|actor= [[Camille Sullivan]]
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'''Stepchild''' is a [[nugget]] selected to fill out the ranks after a disastrous deck accident kills thirteen experienced pilots ([[Act of Contrition]]).

She flies with [[Lee Adama]] during a raid on a [[Cylon]] [[tylium]]-manufacturing base as part of Strike Force Two, and is killed during the operation ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). She is among the dead pilots mentioned by [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] in [[Scar (Episode)|Scar]].

==Notes==
*Many transcripts mistake Kat as the pilot who says "Chuckles bought it, he's going down." It is actually Stepchild who says this, and who in fact buys it herself just as she finishes the sentence.

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Talk:Oein Parker/Archive 1

2009-02-12T04:03:10Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

== Canon? ==
The note confuses me. Wouldn't it be canonical if it did appear that way or no? [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 20:59, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
:If it was in the subtitles then surely it was spoken? Therefore it would be canon? I might have to check this myself at the weekend --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:56, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
::Don't they sometimes take names from the scripts? Bringing canon into this is missing the point somewhat, but the subtitles aren't always right either. It might be better to say something like "might not be official" or "its validity is uncertain". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:33, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Oh, it's mentioned. Hotdog refers to both Spinner and Deadbolt in the wireless chatter. I ''just'' re-watched the episode. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 04:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Oein Parker

2009-02-12T04:01:11Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

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'''Deadbolt''' is a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot in Strike Force One during the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

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Spinner

2009-02-12T04:00:28Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

'''Spinner''' is a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot in Strike Force One during the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

== Notes ==

* A "spinner" is also an engineering component on [[Mercury-class|Mercury-class battlestars]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]), probably part of the ship's [[FTL]] drive.
* Spinner is featured in the XBOX 360 ''Battlestar Galactica'' game as one of the pilots the player competes with to shoot down the most ships and become ''Galactica'''s new top gun.

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Talk:Spinner/Archive 1

2009-02-12T03:59:53Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Callsign comes only from subtitles? */ new section

==Did Spinner Survive "The Hand of God"?==
Based on the transcript of wireless chatter posted on [[Talk:Fireball]], it seems obvious that Spinner bought the farm in that episode, regardless of what may or may not have befallen [[Fireball]] himself. It's now clear to me that the "CAG Roster" that Sci-Fi offered during the first season can not be considered a cononical source. Thus, I see no problem in mentioning Spinner's death in combat here, unless it is explicitly contradicted in a later episode. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:07, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:Well I figured since one pilot from Strike Force One bought it and three from Strike Force Two bought it, it was likely that Spinner survived. The subtitles just make it look like he was the one saying 'No Joy' right before exploding, but after watching the [[Scar]] subtitles, it looked like [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] was attacking the Cylons and got himself killed when it was really [[Brent Baxton|BB]]. I thought it was Spinner because his name was referenced as the speaker, but the same thing was done with Duck accidentally being substituted for BB, so Spinner wasn't the one who died. Am I being too confusing here? I can clarify. --Ltcrashdown 23:11, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::You're not being confusing, but I think I have to see the episode to reply properly. However, I just want to note that the only basis for the casualty count in The Hand of God was information from SciFi.com, and that on-screen evidence always takes precedence over promotional materials. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:15, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well then, we only actually see one pilot from Strike Force One die and three possible deaths from Strike Force Two. I figured the one SF1 death would be either Spinner or Fireball. [[Scar]] just confirms it. --Ltcrashdown 23:18, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::::As I understood the transcript you posted to [[Talk:Fireball]], there remains every implication that Spinner died, and there's no reason that the total casualty count in that episode couldn't have been greater than the number reported on SciFi.com. Did anything air in "Scar" to contradict your earlier analysis? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:22, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::::Yes, during the scene when [[Brent Baxton|BB]] dies the subtitles indicate that it is [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] talking about engaging the Raiders, when Duck is actually still returning to Galactica. The same can be said for Hand of God, because the subtitles indicated that Spinner was the one screaming before the Viper blew up, when it was more likely that Fireball died (as anyone not paying attention to the subtitles would agree). --Ltcrashdown 23:34, 3 February 2006 (EST)

::::::Okay. Thanks for clarifying. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:41, 3 February 2006 (EST)

:::::::Your welcome. I'm just glad that I was able to contirbute so much for [[Scar]]. Living in the Eastern time zone gives me a slight advantage. --Ltcrashdown 23:42, 3 February 2006 (EST)

== Callsign comes only from subtitles? ==

I noticed this on both this and Deadbolt's pages. Where the frak does this info come from? It's untrue, I have just watched the episode. I am correcting the page now. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:The Oath/Archive 1

2009-02-12T03:49:39Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* Most of the mutineers from the Pegasus */ new section

Wasn't this the episode [[Kevin Smith]] was asked to direct?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 20:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Reading over the sources again, I can't find any specifics of the episode he was up for. But I might have missed something. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

==Guest Stars==
Since the page is locked, I'll start it here:
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Lieutenant [[Noel Allison|Noel "Narcho" Allison]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Harball" Seelix]]
* [[Vincent Gale]] as Chief [[Peter Laird]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Craig Veroni]] as [[Maldonado]]
* [[Michael Leisen]] as Private [[Stewart Jaffee]]
* [[Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Specialist [[Gage]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]
* [[Iris Paluly]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Tauron Delegate|Tauron Delegate]] (credited as "Speaking Delegate #2)
* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate|Quorum Delegate]]
* [[Hector Johnson]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine Lieutenant]] (uncredited)
{{unsigned|Ausir}}

:You didn't get the last name. I could barely read any of them myself, as always, but the last one was especially difficult because it wasn't familar. However, I was able to decipher the actor's name: [[Alain Chanoine]]. I also figured out his character is a marine, but again, due to unfamilarity, I can't tell what the name is. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 19:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

::Can anyone verify whether [[Aaron Kelly]] appears in this episode? I saw him credited on some websites, but don't recall seeing him in the episode (maybe he's only in the extended version?) [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 20:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmm.. is the guy whom Starbuck and Lee find crouching and Lee briefly aims at Kelly? His face isn't shown very clearly, so I'm not sure. I did expect him to shoot Lee in the back, though, and I thought Kelly would join the mutiny, if anything. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]]
::::Probably, but I do know the guy holding his gun left-handed leading the Marine fireteam to get Adama and Tigh ''is'' Kelly. For that matter, are we sure Johnson's Lt. is the guy holding Lee hostage?--[[User:Colonial Marine NCO|Colonial Marine NCO]] 20:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, actually, I'm not that sure about the Lt. It's definitely him in "Disquiet", and here the marine looks similar, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll remove it for now until verification. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 20:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone get a picture of [[Alain Chanoine]]? Perhaps he's the "[[Unnamed_Galactica_and_Pegasus_crew_%28RDM%29#Headshot_Marine|Headshot Marine]]"? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 18:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
: There's one of him at his [http://www.tvrage.com/person/id-28875/ profile page] at TVRage. As you can see he can't be the abovementioned marine. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 07:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Should we include the timeline messages that were included with the show in the act's themsefls? I think they are very relevant. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Most of the mutineers from the Pegasus ==

The bulk of the mutineers seem to be former Pegasus crew (which isn't actually all that surprising). Should this be noted in the article? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 03:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:A Disquiet Follows My Soul/Archive 1

2009-02-01T04:06:35Z

ZeldaTheSwordsman:

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== Title ==

I know the episode's title was originally reported as "The Disquiet That Follows My Soul". The current title comes from Verheiden. SciFi.com says "The Disquiet That Follows My Soul" (episode guide and teaser), though. I'm not saying they are right, just thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 12:49, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, according to the Sky TV planning preview thing, the next episode is going to be called "A Disquiet Follows My Soul", though I am confused myself as it seems like some places it call it one, and some others call it the other. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 00:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
::Never mind, seems they all call it the current title now. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 00:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Unlocking "Tom Zarek" ==

Tom Zarek plays an important part in "A Disquiet Follows My Soul," so updates to that article should appear there soon, but the article is still locked from the time "Sine Qua Non" aired! I apologize for posting this message here, but someone already posted a similar request at the Tom Zarek article--a request that hasn't been answered yet--and since most Wiki users will be focused on "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" over the next few days . . . Thanks. -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 13:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure that was just an oversight. It's unlocked now. I assumed when I read the topic that this was going to be about breaking Zarek out of his prison cell... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:45, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks again. -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 17:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Unnamed characters ==

Was the female cultist sitting next to the child, with some speaking lines during Baltar's speech credited? And also, is it me or is it the same [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Marine Lieutenant|Marine Lieutenant]] from "Escape Velocity" in Athena's raptor? And was Athena's ECO identified? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 15:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

::Definetely looks like the LT to me. For that matter, who was Zarek's Marine guard? Could that have been [[Colin Corrigan]]'s character? It looked like he heard what Gaeta and Zarek were discussing, and Corrigan has said his marine plays a big role in the last episodes.--[[User:Colonial Marine NCO|Colonial Marine NCO]] 15:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Looked older than Nowart (Corrigan's character) to me. The marine was also present in the rec room when Gaeta talked to Starbuck, and when he told people inside to look the door, as they need to talk, so by the time he's guarding Zarek he is a member of Gaeta conspiracy. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 15:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Just when the Marines could've been doing something productive, too...ah, well.--[[User:Colonial Marine NCO|Colonial Marine NCO]] 15:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

== Questions (section 5) ==

''"Besides Tigh, Admiral Adama, and Lee Adama, who else in the Fleet knows that Ellen Tigh is the Final Cylon?"'' - in the Chicago Tribune interview Ron Moore says Laura has also been told, but no one else.[[User:Genji2000|Genji2000]] 22:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

"What is Tyrol's status in the Colonial Fleet? In this episode, he was seen wearing only civilian clothing and was advocating for the Cylons. Has Tyrol resigned from the Colonial Fleet? Has he chosen to live amongst the Cylons in the fleet permanently?" - in either the interview or podcast for "Sometimes a Great Notion", RDM said that there was originally a scene with Tyrol moving permanently to the baseship in that episode, but it was cut. Given his status in this episode, it's safe to assume that he did. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 00:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Episode chronology ==

Wouldn't it make sense to put "[[The Face of the Enemy]]" between "Sometimes a Great Notion" and "A Disquiet Follows My Soul" in the Episode Chronology section of the infobox? Yes, the webisodes were released before "Notion", but they take place between "Notion" and "Disquiet", and the episodes make most sense when viewed in that order. Currently, e.g. the population count is confusing, as it's not clear whether the change refers to "Sometimes" or "Face" as the previous episode. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 02:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

==Nick Tyrol==
Question, didn't Cally try and flush Nick out an airlock, because he was half Cylon in a Tie That Binds. So when did she get the paternity test? -[[User:Brucethespruce|Brucethespruce]] 17:37, 26 January 2009 (UTC).
:All she said is that she didn't want the Cylons getting their hands on her son. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Doesn't this beg the question; that as a full human child what interest would the Cylons have with Nick. Doesn't not resolve the GAPING plot hole, that is from the same season. -[[User:Brucethespruce|Brucethespruce]] 17:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC).
:::Tyrol didn't know Nicky wasn't his biological son. And all Cally knew was that she was married to a Cylon and a Cylon was raising her son, and the XO was a Cylon. Surely there was a dark purpose to all of this. In her state of mind, that meant 'remove me and Nicky from this nightmare'. BTW, you used a double negative, which resolves to a positive. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

== Tyrol's dialogue flub. ==

Tyrol:...Our technology is way in advance of ours.
Tigh:Maybe you'd like a chart to keep it all straight?
Perhaps this bit, if it could be transcribed properly, should go in noteworthy dialouge? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 19:08, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
:A good suggestion. [[BW:BOLD|Be bold]]. If you have a recording of the episode, transcribe the scene and add it to the page. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
::It's done. Did you see my edit of Viper 8757?

Deck Crew 5

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'''Deck Crew 5''' was the name given to the deck crew attached to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', formerly a part of [[BSG 75|Battlestar Group 75]], and responsible for maintenance of the battlestar's craft, such as [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptors]].

At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]], Deck Crew 5 included:

* Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* Specialist [[Socinus]]
* Specialist [[Prosna]]
* Specialist [[Cally Tyrol]] (née Henderson)

==See also==
*[[List of deckhands]]

[[Category: A to Z]] [[Category: RDM]]

[[de:Deck Crew 5]]

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== To <s>quote</s> paraphrase Bill Pullman from ''ID4''... "Let's nuke the bastard." ==

To offer a different perspective from ColonelKevin's point, I think this article really needs to be airlocked and approached in a completely different light. I've really felt this way from the get go, but my feelings are reinforced by the fact that this is the last and final season, and the article will then enter a state of total and complete obsolescence, particularly from an "out of universe perspective".

What I am proposing is that the article be written to detail "in universe" Cylon speculation and how they've dealt with the threat of Cylons looking human. I'm looking at documenting the overall human reaction to this, which would include things like [[Sesha Abinell]]'s conspiracy theories, the Colonials attempts at a Cylon detector, the Fleet leadership's concerns about releasing the information before "[[Litmus]]", etc. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's "Nuke 'em. Let's nuke the bastards.". And.. I agree. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:: You're right, Mr. Quotables... I meant "paraphrasing". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Seems like a good idea. From what I can infer, most, if not all, of the in-universe early-S4 speculation will be on Starbuck, so we might need to decide where we draw the lines between this article, [[Kara Thrace]] and [[The Destiny]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 00:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:I agree somewhat. We know that many people love this speculation and the survey also shows that some people expect it here. But IMHO, it's just inane and verges on the annoying. There are so many fan theories floating around out there, it's flat out impossible to reflect even a good part of it. The problem is also, that what started out as interesting and ''grounded'' speculation, has deteriorated into complete bullshit by now, also due to the introduction of the Final Five. Especially with the latter, we can't really know which criteria even imply for potential cylonicity. In that regard, I've always felt that this wiki is a place for fact, analysis and some well-founded speculation here and there; and that complete speculation - like this - is a matter for forums. There are dozens of forums with endless threads of Final Five speculation, so why does this have to be rehashed on a wiki?
:That said, the article has finally approached a state where it's readable and worthy of the wiki, by excising most of the specious speculation and concentrating on a few likely characters. However, as Joe said, its validity in light of the upcoming revelations - and also the uncertain basis for the arguments - is somewhat questionable. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::While I do think it's possible to do a speculation page properly, there's no doubt that it's a huge task to produce one that's relatively grounded and well sourced, particularly considering how just about anyone could be the final cylon. It's hard to say if such a task is really worth the effort. If I had to chose between leaving the page as it is now or nuking it, I'd definetely say nuke it. Maybe take the best bits (the comment from Bradley Thompson and the Hybird prophecy, maybe the last supper picture, none of the speculation) and just place it on the section for the Final Cylon on the Humanoid Cylon article? -- [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 16:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I think collecting the pro/anti cylon clues for the characters is worthwhile. But perhaps it should be just done as two sets of bullet points per character -- reasons why, and why not they could be a Cylon. Tell people to stick to itemizing information from canon/official, leave it to the reader to judge what it means. Then add one broad section on non-character specific information (like the last supper etc.)--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 17:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

This article used to be a load of bullet points, but people didn't like that so we changed it to its current state. Despite writing about half of the article as it stands, I'm not a big fan of it. The problem is mainly with the in-universe clues, someone, somewhere will have some reason why pretty much any arbitrary scene means some character being a Cylon. There are some relatively good things to consider [Baltar's hallucinations, Starbuck's return from the dead], but eventually you have to draw the line somewhere [Some people take Leoben saying "Adama's a Cylon" as a clue, is that justified?]. It's all terribly subjective and messy and not really for an encyclopaedia. Having a comprehensive coverage of fan speculation is both impossible and undesirable.

I think the best thing about the article is that it stopped speculation spilling into other parts of the Wiki. An '''in'''-universe look at the issue would be better, and probably quite pertinent for season 4. Nevertheless, fan speculation on who is and isn't a Cylon has been an important part of the viewing experience (whenever I meet a Galactica fan the fisrt question I always ask is "Who do you think the last Cylon is?")

Consequently, it is worth considering if we can find a way to cover, out-of-universe, that element of the viewing experience in an encyclopaedic manner without necessarily joining in. At the very least we could include a line like: "Since the outset of the show fans have speculated on who could be a Cylon. Theories for practically every character exist, with fans drawing justification from events in both aired content and comments from cast and crew."

Also we need to consider what happens to [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]], which is a very detailed essay, but probably not encyclopaedic. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:So, what's the plan? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, as you noted, the problem is that we'll never be able to cover fan theories in an encyclopedic format... Fan theories are really a dime a dozen, and to cover even 10% of them would be extremely biased. It seems quite apparent to me that the best bet would be to put the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]] page to pasture, and redo the "humanoid Cylon speculation" page from an in-universe perspective, as I had suggested. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::What do you have in mind exactly? There isn't really any in-universe speculation for the final Cylon, expect for Baltar, which is covered in the other article. I guess we could cover the entire series and list people who were suspects at one time, which would be Boomer, Cmd. Adama, Ellen Tigh and Tyrol I guess. Maybe some more, but not a lot, and not really that interesting as it's common knowledge. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm more interested in how the humans have grappled with identifying "who's a Cylon?" throughout the series then the search for the "Last Cylon", which I really don't find that interesting. When all is said and done, finding out "who's a Cylon" isn't as interesting as people make it out to be. So, as I've stated before:
::::"What I am proposing is that the article be written to detail 'in universe' Cylon speculation and how they've dealt with the threat of Cylons looking human. I'm looking at documenting the overall human reaction to this, which would include things like [[Sesha Abinell]]'s conspiracy theories, the Colonials attempts at a Cylon detector, the Fleet leadership's concerns about releasing the information before '[[Litmus]]', etc." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, covering all that would be good and goes beyond the tired "who is a Cylon?" guessing. I agree that that's way overrated. Good TV in general isn't so much about what happens as how it affects the characters. I didn't know you wanted to go into that direction, which is why I asked. A different article name might be appropriate then, though. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::With the addition of "one will be revealed" as the core of the main titles, I have to say I differ. It seems remiss not to have a page collecting the clues to what the producers themselves have declared is the central event and mystery of the season. And there's a lot of material around this -- the debate over the last supper page, various official statements etc.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've drafted a rebooting of this article, sticking to canonical clues with minimal speculation. The word "could" barely appears. What's the best way to introduce the new article? Created a rebooted page and later rename it if people like it?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 04:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, you can create a rebooted version of the page... We can always rename it later. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
: Create it as subpage of this article. Like [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot]] -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

With the in-show revelation that the final Cylon is not in the fleet (at least according to Three), Ron Moore's comment about the final Cylon not being in the picture seems to have been given much more credence. That would seem to suggest profound implications for this page, which is premised around a major character being the most likely revelation.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 00:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

== Karl ==

We were actually told that Hera and Nicky '''are''' hybrid children by Mr Moore (and Baltar tests Hera's blood for her hybrid nature in [[Epiphanies]]), hence Karl (and Cally) are definitely humans. This is unless RDM is just plain lying to us, which is quite possible. Nevertheless, I have a little faith, so I'm going to revert this edit.

Oh, yeah, weren't we planning to completely overhaul this article anyway? -- 09:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

: Yeah, but go ahead and revert it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== New theory about the final one: Benjamin "Ben" Linus from Lost ==

http://www.battlestarforum.com/showpost.php?p=15994&postcount=280 (posted into forum as suggested)

{{unsigned|Karamanthos}}

: Hi there, Karamanthos! If I might make a suggestion, you're better off adding your theories to the [http://www.battlestarforum.com Battlestar Forum]. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== The Hybrids ==

It's a bit of a stretch, but they seem to meet most of the criteria.
*There are no Hybrids in the fleet.
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] was not in the [[The Last Supper|Last Supper image]].
*They are definitely Cylons.
*They don't have a model number.
*Redemption can mean either atonement or liberation.
*They are arguably "still in shadow".
*The "howl of terrible suffering" could refer to how the Hybrid screamed before becoming lucid in [[Faith]].
*The Hybrids played a significant role in leading the Colonials and Cylons to Earth.
There are, however, a few problems.
*The Hybrids coming from Earth seems like a stretch.
*Although we don't know how long the Hybrid concept has been around, the Hybrids weren't introduced until early season 3, and IIRC they decided on the identity of the final Cylon in season 2.
Is there enough evidence to include the Hybrids under ''others''? What about under ''more esoteric theories''? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I think "more esoteric theories" is quite applicable here. The purpose of the section is to list some of the more out-of-the-box ideas that people might have. I think it would be best to simply state it, rather than include the justification above, else the section will get cluttered (like the rest of the article). [[User:OTW|OTW]] 00:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Article [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot|rebooted]] ==

Ok, so I've written up a reboot of the article based on the information presented in "[[Revelations]]". That can be located [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot|here]]. If there aren't any major objections I'd like to move the reboot to the main article space no later than the end of this week. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
:Looks good :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely an improvement. I don't know that I'd privilege the final cylon being on the basestar as a "main theory" above some of the other options like dead or unseen characters returning as the final cylon. It seems very unlikely to me that Three's words can be taken so literally, and implausible that she completely ignored a Final Five cylon already on the basestar. Debate over minor issues like that can wait until after the article is rebooted, however.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
::: True. Obviously, I have no problem with people modifying it for other speculation, such as dead characters or the like. The last permutations of this article went completely overboard, IMHO, and I really want to restrict that here as much as humanly possible. (Or at least find a balance between the two extremes.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Looks fine to me, too. The esoteric section is a bit "blogish", however. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
: While an improvement, it gives too much attention to Boomer (who is largely ruled out by D'Anna's declaration to Cavil that "There are five OTHER Cylons, Brother") and not enough attention to the dead characters, who seem to be all that is left. Now, I agree the article should focus only on real clues, and not "suspicious circumstances" and "wouldn't it be cool ifs" I do have a [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/what-minor-character-final-cylon speculative article which you might find useful as source material on the dead characters]. Actual true clues (at the level of Tyrol's compulsion to seek the temple or his superior response to being spaced) of the sort we've seen before are few and far between, yet RDM promises they are there. Yet we see none for non-eliminated characters--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 06:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
::That post is a very interesting read, Bradtem, and could I think be adapted to wiki-article form with very little revision.
::Another way to go with this article, which is looking better to me all the time, would be to limit it to providing background information - everything from the rebooted article up to and including "General Factors for Consideration" - but not including any specific theories. As Bradtem points out, there is really very little to base plausible speculation on. The options all seem equally unlikely: a dead returning to the bewilderment of most viewers? Number Three having some hidden reason to ignore the fifth's presence on the basestar or in the fleet? A special copy of a Cylon model? A completely new character being offered as a satisfactory conclusion to a series-long mystery in the final episode?
::I actually have faith in the writers' narrative abilities to pull off any of the above, and to do so well, but I don't think at this point we have enough information to make plausible guesses as to what they ''will'' do. It's all "More esoteric ideas" at this point.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 22:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:::And that is the problem. RDM has told us he's left clues, and he did -- for characters now eliminated by him. All that stuff in the draft article is "could be" style speculation -- as is also the case with my post linked to above. Right now it may be that all an article can do is list the general clues (specific, dramatic or offscreen), most of which eliminate characters. The stuff about Boomer is not only another round of "isn't this suspicious" that can be applied to almost any character, but goes against two elimination clues. Right now I am hard pressed to come up with actual clues on the order of the ones I cite above for Tyrol.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Sadly, this is the problem... you've nailed it right on the head. If I may be blunt, RDM has clearly pulled a lot of things out of his ass—such as the "Final Five", and the fact that those Cylons do not have numbers—which leaves a lot of inconsistencies in the overall story, which include the inaccuracy in the number scheme (no "Number Seven"?), the whole "Cylon Resurrection Hub", and that horrendous piece of PR garbage, "The Last Supper". A lot of this show is off the cuff, and it shows ''very'' badly. Frankly, I really wish they would've called J. Michael Straczynski or some ''B5'' alumni so that the show could be properly plotted storywise. (I'd be interested to see how well this series ages in 30 years; I don't think it'll age well at all in terms of storytelling, which is very hit or miss. As you can tell, I have a very "love/hate" relationship with this series, in addition to the original.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Another, broader reboot ==

I have provided another form of reboot for the article [[Humanoid_Cylon_speculation/ColdBoot|here]]. The thrust is to constrain clues to three types I outline -- actual extrahuman events, dramatic mentions of cylonhood, and outside sources. I've largely stuck to it, though I have got one or two clues that go outside it, such as noting how Ellen's arrival with the fleet was extremely suspicious.

What I hope to remove are "clues" of the sort I've seen before, that say, "Dualla has been keeping herself close to the seats of power" and other activity which is suspicious, but not actually extrahuman or Cylon related. I've also abstained from clues of the "It would be really cool if Cally were the Cylon because Tory murdered her." While these sorts of dramatic hints may well be clues, the show is too full of them. If Dualla's not close to power, then somebody else is. So I do think it's OK to bend the rules for the extremely suspicious, or the very obviously dramatic foreshadowings.

To help people understand this more, I have included a list of the clues from the past that turned out to be real clues. They are very few, but people can add if they saw some others.

Different tone from Joe's, but let me know what you think, and if you like it, let's promote it to replace the old one. {{unsigned|Bradtem}}

: I like this one. I do thing a merging of the two is in order, since I personally believe there should be an "in-universe" POV for how the Fleet dealt with their own suspicions on who a Cylon could be (Baltar's detector, the paranoia concerns in the first season, etc.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, the basics look good, but it still needs some tweaking here and there to fine-tune sentences, points, cites and such. And please, can we stop giving so much credence to Leoben's lie in "Flesh and Bone". At least it should be mentioned that it's most likely just BS instead of some "clue". -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, absolutely. Could use more cites and some cleanup here and there. However, I do rather think the more obvious false clue should be mentioned "Adama is a Cylon", since it does lead to in-universe speculation—and rather humorously dark moments between Roslin and Adama in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

So are we just going to leave this old article up and have people keep updating it, or go with my reboot or one of the other reboots? Soon it will have been a waste of effort...--[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 02:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

: It sadly already is. My earlier recommendation for an "in-universe" perspective still stands. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

==Starbuck As A Cylon==

'''''However she was also physically abused as a child and still carries the scars; Cylons seem to be more robust than humans and possibly may not carry such long-term injuries. The same may be said of the knee injury which put a stop to Thrace's Pyramid playing ambitions.'''''

What about Tigh's eye? He's a Cylon and his injury hasn't healed. that's a long-term injury that he still carries.

Starbuck can have scars and still be a Cylon.

: Yes, true. Well, this whole page will face a massive rewrite after S4.5 begins airing anyway. I'm just ready to delete this page, to be honest, since it's so bad as to be funny... and that's being generous. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== After the final Cylon is revealed ==
Once the final Cylon is revealed, I feel that this article should cover the following:
*In-universe speculation within the show's storyline, such as the speculation on Baltar and Starbuck.
*Plausible clues that characters are Cylons at least one episode before they are revealed as such.
*Confirmed intentional hints that characters may be Cylons, including red herrings and remnants of abandoned plotlines.
-- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

: Sounds a lot better than what we have at present. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:12, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== You Will Know the Truth ==
I found a [http://jamesjacob77.blogspot.com/2008/11/who-is-final-cylon_29.html blog post] that links to [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/youwillknowthetruth/ this page on scifi.com]. They've also got a [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2319583&st=0 forum thread] on it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

== [[Zak Adama]]? ==

It's possible that Zak Adama is the final Cylon. The main reason I say this is because of [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]]'s line in [[Flesh and Bone]]: "Adama is a Cylon." I don't think that it's William Adama, Apollo, or by extension Dualla. Is this viable enough for inclusion in the article? --[[User:JemHadar359|JemHadar359]] 05:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:In this article on SyFy Portal[http://www.syfyportal.com/news425609.html], Michael Hinman claims that they have received confirmation of the identity of the final Cylon from multiple sources, and claims that the final Cylon is one of five characters listed in the article. Zak Adama is not on the list. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
: As I said before—and forgive me for soundin' like a broken record—but this article will be dead in its present (and the ColdBoot form) before the season ends anyway. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 20:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

== Just a feeling. . . ==

that the final cylon will be someone that there's been no speculation about. Someone right out of left field. Personally, I'd like to think it's. . . Romo Lampkin. [[User:Centurion 51773|Centurion 51773]] 16:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== What about Number Seven? ==

Do we have any information about the existence or nonexistence of Number Seven? In many interviews and articles, it has been stated that the Final Five don't have model numbers, so it couldn't be any of them. Has the issue of Number Seven been addressed in any interviews? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:06, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
: Not yet you don't. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Since the Final Five are actually older, Seven must have been a failed model. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

== Archiving rather than deleting ==

I can't say I'll miss all the fanwanking we did on this page and its sisters, but I think it'll be a hoot to leave these pages as of Ellen Tigh's reveal, locked with a note about the relative history of how contributors jerked themselves around trying to formulate a logic for the last Cylons. The main articles would be protected as well as the talk pages for people to smile and laugh at (especially the producers and writers who probably made ''sure'' we were wrong! ;) Thoughts? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, archive it. Though I will point out that if you read the [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot]] replacement that I started for it 6 months ago, it would in fact have led the reader to probably pick Ellen. Not sure why my efforts to get it live never amounted to anyting, but "nyah, nyah, I told you so..." :-) So archive that too. --[[User:Bradtem|bradtem]] 09:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
::I'd say you'd get dibs on that prediction, Brad. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
***Ellen was on a LOT of shortlists. Her mysterious survival, and then Saul being a Cylon... [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 20:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Talk:William Adama/Archive 1

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Viper 8757

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[[Image:8757 LDYBPI.JPG|thumb|Viper 8757 in ''Galactica'''s hangar deck with Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Henderson]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).]]
'''Viper 8757NC''' is the designation of two Vipers, one [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] and one [[Viper Mark VII|Mark VII]], assigned to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

The Viper Mark VII version appears in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".

== Kara Thrace's pristine Viper ==

A [[Viper Mark II]] of the same designation is flown by [[Kara Thrace]] during a [[Combat Air Patrol]] protecting a Fleet underway replenishment operation. This Viper is the one Thrace is later lost in, crushed by intense atmospheric pressure ([[Maelstrom]]). Over two months later, Thrace returns under mysterious circumstances is a remarkably pristine version of this Viper. She claims to have been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] and that only a few hours passed for her, but has no recollection of how she got there or how she survived ("[[Crossroads, Part II]]", "[[He That Believeth In Me]]").

An inspection of the Viper determines that the Viper seems to be as factory new as it looks. Similar to Thrace's memory loss, the navigation computer contains no data. Over the next few months, the Viper sits on the hangar deck, occasionally looked at to try to reveal its secrets. It isn't until three of the [[Final Five]] Cylons are [[The Music|mysteriously drawn]] to the craft that Kara Thrace finds a clue to Earth in the craft itself. After powering up the systems, she uses the radio detector to find a strange signal that is only received by this Viper. With the signal's bearing the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] is able to plot a series of FTL jumps which eventually lead it to Earth ([[Revelations]]).

As Thrace and a [[Number Two]] search Earth's surface for the source of the signal, they discover it to be a standard Colonial emergency transponder. Further searching in the area reveals the remains of a Viper Mark II's tail section with 757NC visible. Concerned, Thrace and Leoben continue the hunt. They find the most of the rest of the Viper. A skeletal corpse in a Colonial flightsuit is found in the cockpit. When the corpse's helmet is removed, it is revealed to have blonde hair cut in a short bob. The corpse's dogtags confirm it to be Thrace's corpse. With Ellen Tigh revealed to be the remaining Cylon, it is now even more unclear as to who and/or what Kara Thrace is ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

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Viper 8757

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ZeldaTheSwordsman:

[[Image:8757 LDYBPI.JPG|thumb|Viper 8757 in ''Galactica'''s hangar deck with Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Henderson]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).]]
'''Viper 8757NC''' is the designation of two Vipers, one [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] and one [[Viper Mark VII|Mark VII]], assigned to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

The Viper Mark VII version appears in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".

== Kara Thrace's pristine Viper ==

A [[Viper Mark II]] of the same designation is flown by [[Kara Thrace]] during a [[Combat Air Patrol]] protecting a Fleet underway replenishment operation. This Viper is the one Thrace is later lost in, crushed by intense atmospheric pressure ([[Maelstrom]]). Over two months later, Thrace returns under mysterious circumstances is a remarkably pristine version of this Viper. She claims to have been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] and that only a few hours passed for her, but has no recollection of how she got there or how she survived ("[[Crossroads, Part II]]", "[[He That Believeth In Me]]").

An inspection of the Viper determines that the Viper seems to be as factory new as it looks. Similar to Thrace's memory loss, the navigation computer contains no data. Over the next few months, the Viper sits on the hangar deck, occasionally looked at to try to reveal its secrets. It isn't until three of the [[Final Five]] Cylons are [[The Music|mysteriously drawn]] to the craft that Kara Thrace finds a clue to Earth in the craft itself. After powering up the systems, she uses the radio detector to find a strange signal that is only received by this Viper. With the signal's bearing the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] is able to plot a series of FTL jumps which eventually lead it to Earth ([[Revelations]]).

As Thrace and a [[Number Two]] search Earth's surface for the source of the signal, they discover it to be a standard Colonial emergency transponder. Further searching in the area reveals the remains of a Viper Mark II's tail section with 757NC visible. Concerned, Thrace and Leoben continue the hunt. They find the most of the rest of the Viper. A skeletal corpse in a Colonial flightsuit is found in the cockpit. When the corpse's helmet is removed, it is revealed to have blonde hair cut in a short bob. The corpse's dogtags confirm it to be Thrace's corpse. With Ellen Tigh revealed to be the remaining Cylon, it is now even more unclear as to who and/or what Kara Thrace is ([[Sometimes A Great Notion]]).

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