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Talk:Viper Mark III/Archive 1

2013-01-30T23:57:25Z

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==Proof These are MKIII's===

I've been searching for sources that say the vipers of B&C are infact MKIII's, but I can find none. I do know, however, that Adama has to fly a Viper MKII at some point in time during the war, and that he is shown doing so in the Razor flashbacks, during Operation Razor Talon. This occurs after the events of B&C. I strongly believe that the facts indicate the vipers of B&C are MKI's, not MKIII's as everyone seems to assume. [[User:Kodiakus|Kodiakus]] 14:58, 7 December 2012 (EST)

: Watch the scene where Ozar ([[Osiris]]' commander) instructs her officers to requisition the "new Mark IIIs" to aid Kelly's mission (she's climbing down a latter after Coker, Adama, and Kelly first arrive). Also, Doug Drexler (CG Supervisor for the show) made the point of saying that there were Mark IIIs and Mark IIs throughout the fleet at this point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:03, 7 December 2012 (EST)
:Yea they are deffinately Mark IIIs. Its very common in wartime for older models to be still fully in service when new models are already being produced. If there is a Mark I in this series its similar in design to the TOS viper and thats just since the TOS is briefly seen in the museum during the miniseries in one shot. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 09:08, 8 December 2012 (EST)

==Size==
Those numbers seem big! Surely you can't just read them off the scale off the graph as that's for the "ground" level, while in the top down view the Vipers we see are several meters up, and so closer to the viewer, so perspective would inflate the apparent size. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 17:35, 14 November 2012 (EST)

:I thought the same thing, but that's the math. The top-down view is an orthographic projection taken directly from Lightwave, so there isn't any perspective distortion make the Vipers look bigger than the floor (the bottom Viper has another one below and slightly ahead of it. You can see the nose and forward wingtips peaking out, and they're exactly the same size as the one above it, proving there's no perspective). I also scaled a Mark II orthographic publicity render to it for comparison, and the cockpits are the same size (and from the shots in B&C, the III seems to be using the same physical cockpit set as the II did). [[http://www.gian-cursio.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Viper237.jpg See for yourself.]] -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 18:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)

::That is a HUGE Viper! Why would that make it so big? I mean, I know Vipers are pretty damn small compaired to modern aircraft but.. would that even still fit in an unmodified launch tube? [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 04:37, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:::Shall we add the length and wingspan back in, then? -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 17:57, 27 November 2012 (EST)

==update picture==

This page should update it's main picture as in episode 5 of Blood and Chrome there are much clearer shots of the Viper IIIs that show the whole Viper without obstruction. Tried adding this myself, but unfortunally was not able to include pictures on this Wiki. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 14:33, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Heres a couple of pictures I took of it you can use. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III.png http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III2.png

::Tried myself. Didn't work. I don't think it like the dashes (-) you have in the file names. - [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

Well if you're able to upload pictures yourself just take one of these and save it onto your computer then upload to the wiki and hopefully that will work. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 19:32, 26 November 2012 (EST)

: Looks like these were already uploaded by Frylock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 01:04, 27 November 2012 (EST)

== Orthographic images ==

This popped up via Doug Drexler if anyone wants to make an edited version:

[http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Blood-Chrome-Viper-Mark-3.jpg]

[[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 18:56, 30 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Viper Mark III/Archive 1

2013-01-30T23:56:31Z

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==Proof These are MKIII's===

I've been searching for sources that say the vipers of B&C are infact MKIII's, but I can find none. I do know, however, that Adama has to fly a Viper MKII at some point in time during the war, and that he is shown doing so in the Razor flashbacks, during Operation Razor Talon. This occurs after the events of B&C. I strongly believe that the facts indicate the vipers of B&C are MKI's, not MKIII's as everyone seems to assume. [[User:Kodiakus|Kodiakus]] 14:58, 7 December 2012 (EST)

: Watch the scene where Ozar ([[Osiris]]' commander) instructs her officers to requisition the "new Mark IIIs" to aid Kelly's mission (she's climbing down a latter after Coker, Adama, and Kelly first arrive). Also, Doug Drexler (CG Supervisor for the show) made the point of saying that there were Mark IIIs and Mark IIs throughout the fleet at this point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:03, 7 December 2012 (EST)
:Yea they are deffinately Mark IIIs. Its very common in wartime for older models to be still fully in service when new models are already being produced. If there is a Mark I in this series its similar in design to the TOS viper and thats just since the TOS is briefly seen in the museum during the miniseries in one shot. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 09:08, 8 December 2012 (EST)

==Size==
Those numbers seem big! Surely you can't just read them off the scale off the graph as that's for the "ground" level, while in the top down view the Vipers we see are several meters up, and so closer to the viewer, so perspective would inflate the apparent size. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 17:35, 14 November 2012 (EST)

:I thought the same thing, but that's the math. The top-down view is an orthographic projection taken directly from Lightwave, so there isn't any perspective distortion make the Vipers look bigger than the floor (the bottom Viper has another one below and slightly ahead of it. You can see the nose and forward wingtips peaking out, and they're exactly the same size as the one above it, proving there's no perspective). I also scaled a Mark II orthographic publicity render to it for comparison, and the cockpits are the same size (and from the shots in B&C, the III seems to be using the same physical cockpit set as the II did). [[http://www.gian-cursio.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Viper237.jpg See for yourself.]] -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 18:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)

::That is a HUGE Viper! Why would that make it so big? I mean, I know Vipers are pretty damn small compaired to modern aircraft but.. would that even still fit in an unmodified launch tube? [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 04:37, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:::Shall we add the length and wingspan back in, then? -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 17:57, 27 November 2012 (EST)

==update picture==

This page should update it's main picture as in episode 5 of Blood and Chrome there are much clearer shots of the Viper IIIs that show the whole Viper without obstruction. Tried adding this myself, but unfortunally was not able to include pictures on this Wiki. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 14:33, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Heres a couple of pictures I took of it you can use. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III.png http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III2.png

::Tried myself. Didn't work. I don't think it like the dashes (-) you have in the file names. - [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

Well if you're able to upload pictures yourself just take one of these and save it onto your computer then upload to the wiki and hopefully that will work. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 19:32, 26 November 2012 (EST)

: Looks like these were already uploaded by Frylock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 01:04, 27 November 2012 (EST)

== Orthographic images ==

This popped up via Doug Drexler if anyone wants to make an edited version:

http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Blood-Chrome-Viper-Mark-3.jpg

[[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 18:56, 30 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Unnamed Colonial vessels/Archive 1

2012-11-30T15:06:42Z

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==Two Galactica Types at Shipyards?==
I think there might have actually been two unnamed G type battlestars at the shipyards. The first is in the pic on the page, the second is hit by missiles later on. You can tell they are different battlestars because of their docking arrangements. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 17:59, 13 December 2007 (CST)
:Mhhh yeah, the one destroyed isn't enclosed on two sides. It depends on how much stock we want to put in that establishing shot. There are so many effects shots, that they don't necessarily need to be consistent. The battle footage ads up, but the establishing shot seems to be slightly different anyways. Also in regard to the ''Valkyrie'' types, though they can be mainly under the superstructure and thus partially obscured. I'd rather chalk it up as a slight discrepancy. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:12, 13 December 2007 (CST)
::Yeah that's true. There are a few moments of indiscrepancy in the establishing shots. A good example is how sometimes the Valkyrie types have a spoiler in the back and sometimes they don't. I've seen that thing in the orthos before but I thought they had killed the idea. Also, ships don't always seem to be in the places they were before.
::I think this is pretty clear-cut however, but unless there is some other huge revelation (which I doubt) I think this is probably as far as we want to go with it. We also need to decide if the place where we have the Berzerk is adequate or if we need to move it to a place where it will be found by searching for ships. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 23:39, 13 December 2007 (CST)
:::We could create an own page for that ship, but it will have an unsearchable name and we don't know much about it anyways. I think that [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] is by far the likeliest place anyone will expect that vessel at (together with the closely tied battle page) and the article is very short otherwise.
::: I see that Joe created [[Unknown craft (RDM)]], and there are some unnamed designs in the civilian fleet. But those already have own articles. My personal preference is just to not have information unnecessarily scattered over x pages. See [http://xkcd.com/214/ the problem with Wikipedia]. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:10, 14 December 2007 (CST)
::According to one of the CGI artists, the battlestar with a lot of boxes in the middle is called a Beserk Class escort. Here is his web page www.irrationaldesigns.com--[[User:Farragut|Farragut]] 22:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Excellent catch, Farragut, and welcome! We can't quite break out this battlestar by name since it's still unclear if the name was created by the artist but may not be used canonically by the writers of the show. Still, the source data is perfect and can be added to the article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps there are indeed two Galactica type vessels docked there. If we consider them to be de-comissioned or whatever, this would fit with Cain's comment in Pegasus that "five ships, two of them battlestars, died right there" - the five ships being the two Galactica types, the Bezerk, and the two Valkyrie type Battlestars.

This idea rather falls down unless we assume that the two galactica class ships, or some combination of Galactica/Valkyrie class is no longer considered a "battlestar." But at the very least the numbers fit. --[[User:Griffin-2-6|Griffine-2-6]] 18:58, 30 July 2009 (GMT)

As likely the two (or one) Galactica types were decommissioned from service for scrapage and therefore no longer considered active battlestars[[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:24, 24 November 2012 (EST)

==Suggestion to rename article==

In light of the large amount of ships being added to this page that may or may not be classed as battlestars, I suggest this article be renamed "Unnamed Colonial Military Vessels" or something similar [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 18:55, 16 November 2012 (EST)
: I agree. Especially the "Defender" type is not a battlestar. It is seen in the refugefleet and we know the only ship in the refugefleet with weapons was the Adriatic and that ship got lost...
:Just to be a part of the fleet seen in BAC makes this ship not a Battlestar (or a military ship). We can see at least 2 Celestra ships in this fleet too. Maybe this article can be renamed in "Unnamed Colonial Vessels" and then split it into "apparently military use" and "apparently civilian use" or so --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 18:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)
:: Renamed per Enbran's suggestion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)

==Another indentified class not meantioned on this page==

There is a Berzerk class ship seen in "The Plan" and "Razor", but also there are two ships of almost identical design that appear at Scorpion Shipyards exept that they much smaller and have a slightly different central section. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:32, 24 November 2012 (EST)

[IMG]http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Unknownshipslocations.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/med_gallery_187_23479.jpg[/IMG]
[[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:32, 24 November 2012 (EST)

It is largely considered to be a sfx production error along with the over sized Galactica type. --[[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 05:38, 25 November 2012 (EST)

I really wouldn't call it an error though as the central section of the ships are very different whilst the rest being the same design. They clearly are different vessels cause of this and both clearly appear onscreen together so they must be different ship types. In my opinion what appears onscreen should be considered the higher canon. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 12:59, 25 November 2012 (EST)

==Galactica type seen next to Galactica in Blood and Chrome ep1==

If you look very carefully you can make out part of the name of the other Gal type battlestar. From what I can tell the end part of its name is "-CTER". I can't make out the other letters yet unfortunally, but hopefully when better quality images come out when it airs on the show the name might be revealed. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 19:04, 29 November 2012 (EST)

::Can you post a screen? My screenshots show nothing, heck, I can't even make out ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> name. [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]] 23:09, 29 November 2012 (EST)

:::I wouldn't count on a clearer shot coming out due to the nameplates being lit and B&C having considerable bloom and lens flair. In any case, with 95% certainty, the last letters on that ship aren't "-CTER" but "-CTICA". Those two other battlestars are simply the original Galactica models copied and pasted; for a quick shot like this (especially one which was lifted directly from The Plan), the CG artists probably wouldn't bother adding a different nameplate. [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 10:06, 30 November 2012 (EST)

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2012-11-29T09:59:53Z

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#redirect [[William "Willie" Adama]]

Unnamed Colonial vessels

2012-11-28T11:32:18Z

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:''This article lists seen, but unnamed [[battlestar]]s and their support ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Reimagined Series]].''

== ''Galactica'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Galactica type battlestar}}
During the First [[Cylon War]], ''Galactica'' and two unnamed Battlestars are seen with their Viper escorts over one of the Colonies ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

An unnamed ''Galactica'' type Battlestar is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another unnamed ''Galactica'' type is seen participating in [[Operation Raptor Talon]], in cooperation with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' ("[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

At least two ''Galactica'' type Battlestars are moored at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] at the time of the surprise attack against the Colonies. They are sitting ducks, and are quickly destroyed by Cylon forces ("[[Razor]]"). <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=690</ref> <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=691</ref>

Another ''Galactica'' type is seen wrecked above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after the renewed Cylon attacks ("[[Miniseries]]").

<gallery>
Image:15.jpg|''Galactica'' and two ''Galactica'' type battlestars in different configurations over Caprica.
Image:Destroyed Battlestar Mini.JPG|A destroyed ''Galactica'' type battlestar near Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]").
Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|''Columbia'', ''Galactica'' and one unnamed battlestar over an [[ice planet]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").
Image:ScorpionFleetShipyards1.jpg|Docked at the shipyards over Scorpia (upper right) ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
</gallery>

== ''Valkyrie'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Valkyrie type battlestar}}
At least four unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type Battlestars are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least four Battlestars of ''[[Valkyrie]]'''s design are also docked at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards and destroyed by the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

One unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type is seen taking formation alongside the Battlestars ''[[Yashuman]]'' and ''[[Valkyrie]]'' in the opening moments of the renewed Cylon attacks against the Colonies, and is destroyed above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after ("[[The Plan]]").

<gallery>
Image:Valkyrie-type battlestar.jpg|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar destroyed in its berth ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie The Plan.png|''Valkyrie'', ''Yashuman'', and a third ''Valkyrie'' type prepare for Cylon attack ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie B C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''"Berzerk"'' type ==

At least three ''"Berzerk"'' type<ref>Based on an original design by [[Eric Chu]], the version seen in "Razor" was created by Charles Oines of [http://www.irrationaldesigns.com/index.html Irrational Designs]. While not [[canon]]ical, Oines's artwork designates the vessel as a "Berzerk-class". His web site has full renderings of the ship.</ref> cruisers are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another ship of this class, is docked next to ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' during the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

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Image:Pegasus, Scorpion Shipyards.jpg|Docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie_B_C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Defender"'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Wedge-shaped vessel}}

An unnamed ship of this class is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least two ships of this class are converted for civilian use, and escape the Colonies with the Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[TRS]]).

<gallery>
Image:Unknown Wedge Vessel.jpg|A ''"Defender"'' type is seen fleeing [[New Caprica]] after being discovered by a Cylon fleet ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").
Image:Wedge.PNG|Seen with the Fleet just before ''[[Galactica]]'' jumps away to the Cylon Colony ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Seen (bottom left) hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''Loki'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Loki}}

There are at least three ships of this class, including the ''Loki'' hiding out in Cylon held space near [[Sector 12]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

There are at least two of these ships flying formation with ''Galactica'' when [[William Adama]] is brought aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

<gallery>
Image:Loki.png|Fore section of the ''Loki'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Two ''Loki'' type heavy cruisers hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Loki Engines.png|Aft section of the ''Loki'', featuring an engine pod ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Catamaran"'' type ==

There are at least two ships of this class<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Two more vessels of this class are also seen with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' battle group when [[William Adama]] transfers aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

===Notes===

This class shares many design similarities with the [[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class]].

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Image:Battlestar Galactica - Blood And Chrome Appearence.png|The ''"Catamaran"'' type can be seen above and below the ''Galactica'', with a ''Loki'' type in the background.
Image:Catamaran.png|The underside of the ''"Catamaran"'' type.
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Talk:Galactica type battlestar/Archive 1

2012-11-28T09:42:30Z

YIIMM:

:: Archive from [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Galactica_type_battlestar&oldid=47676 April 17, 2006]
== Medical Capabilites of a Battlestar ==

Peter,

Your assertion of "unfound speculation" concerning my contribution is uninformed and unfounded. I am a military medical planner and a published author. My assertion of the potential medical capabilities and requirements of an intergalactic warship (modeled on a US aircraft carrier), while hypothetical, is informed. Keep in mind these are requirements that the ship would have originally been built (not the "as is" state). At this point in the story line, clearly Major Cottle is the only doctor on Galactica, however we have never seen the Pegasus medical bay or any of its medical personnel. With established industrial facilities on Pegasus (Viper production established in “Scar”), the Pegasus would have evn greater Occupational Health / Preventive Medicine than Galactica. And if you do a walk down of the ancillary services (pharmacy (camala extract), orthopedic and x-ray (Kara’s knee injury), optometry (ADM Adama’s glasses), etc, you will see they exist even if they are not portrayed. Additionally, it was an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) bed, complete with ventilator, which William Adama was in during his multiple surgeries (establishing an Operation Room (OR)).

Capital ships are designed to go into battle, which means they will take damage and casualties. Often it is the ability to regenerate / repair / refit in the quickest amount of time that determines the outcome of battles. General Nathan Bedford Forrest of the Confederate States of America is famous for the quote, “He who gets there the fastest with the mostest wins.” RDM makes reference to his experience onboard a Navy ship in podcasts, including “The Captain’s Hand”. Thus, there is an established framework present.

I provide you two active hyperlinks that back up my contribution. While dated, they are still relevant.

http://www.mfp.usmc.mil/TeamApp/G4/Topics/20040916154046/Med%20Cont%20Factbook.pdf

www.iiimef.usmc.mil/medical/ FMF/FMFE/FMFEref/fs_man/CHAPTER%2014.html

--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 20:26, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:I have no doubt that you are well qualified to speak about the medical capabilities of an aircraft carrier. I dispute their relevance to BSG, however. while they might provide a good baseline for guesswork, I don't think that simple guesswork belongs on this site. We don't extrapolate armament details based on the capabilities of modern naval vessels, for example. If you wanted, I wouldn't object to something along the lines of "we may conjecture that the medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier" with one of the links you provided above; but I will not agree to listing out detailed specifications based on no in-continuity data. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:37, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

::''At last I went to the artisans. I was conscious that I knew nothing at all, as I may say, and I was sure that they knew many fine things; and here I was not mistaken, for they did know many things of which I was ignorant, and in this they certainly were wiser than I was. But I observed that even the good artisans fell into error;--because they were good workmen they thought that they also knew all sorts of high matters, and this defect in them overshadowed their wisdom;''
:::''The Apology of Socrates'', Plato

::Sir, none of us doubt that you know what you are talking about when you list the medical capabilities of a modern aicraft carrier. But this does not grant you increased insight into the inner logic of the tv series: First, we have no idea how many medical staff are onboard, and comparing it to an aircraft carrier is just speculation. Second, we have no idea how many crewmen a Mercury class battlestar normally has, as has been asked in the "Questions" segment of the "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" episode guide article: Pegasus has 1,750 crewmen when it encounters Galactica, but A) It was going into drydock, and some of the crew may have left to the port, B) 700 crewmen died in the initial attack C) Cain impressed civillians she encounteed into service and most importantly C) Cain was fighting a hit and run war against the Cylons for months, which wore down her crew numbers through attrition. But I digress. Yes, we should object to a statement like "we may conjecture that medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:41, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:::I guess you can object to that too, if you want. I was trying to compromise. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:48, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'm sorry Peter but this is a really good example of the speculation I don't think we should be inserting into this kind of article. There is nothing to be gained from such a compromise. I would if there were, and would like to, but I can't change facts. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:51, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

Peter,

As I am preparing to deploy for a year, please forgive me as I have packed all my BSG video. I grant you that the personnel numbers for a fully manned battlestar are informed speculation based upon a comparison to a modern aircraft carrier. I use these numbers as RDM has referenced a battlestar to a modern carrier, his experience in the Navy (podcast for The Captain’s Hand), Galactica type battlestar – article – dimensions’ jpg comparing a Battlestar to a CVN Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg on this very page. My professional training drives me to fill in unknowns with assumptions. That is what the personnel piece was intended and is consistent with other speculation within the Wiki, so long as it is said to be speculation (i.e. the actual working of an FTL drive). But sticking to the medical capabilities known from “in country (your term)” knowledge (i.e. seen on screen or in dialogue), we know much about Galactica. First, Galactica has a sickbay (Act of Contrition, Litmus). Exact bed count is not known, but is greater than seven (Act of Contrition). Based upon the burn victims (Act of Contrition) and treatment of William Adama (Scattered, Valley of Darkness, Fragged), we have seen Intensive Care Unit (ICU) beds, complete with ventilators, electrocardiograms (ECG), pulse / respiration / pulseox (shows percent of oxygen saturation dissolved in blood) monitors. We also have seen at least on operation room (OR) (Fragged), and subsequently confirm its existence with Kara Thrace’s knee surgery (Litmus) and Lee Adama’s chest surgery (Sacrifice). Concerning the radiology suite, we saw a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI – incidentally, a very advanced piece of equipment) when Baltar had Dr. Cottle examine his head looking for an implanted chip (sorry, don’t remember the episode). We also saw conventional (chest) x-rays of Commander William Adama, during his surgery (Fragged, Scattered). We heard about Sharon’s ultrasound, as part of pre-natal health on Hera, where Dr. Cottle found an abnormality. And while not part of radiology, Hera, is placed in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) incubator, when is born prematurely. Next, we know it has a pharmacy. The President asked Dr. Cottle for Camala, the Viper pilots were taking “stims” (33, Final Cut) and Kara is taking pain killers for her knee surgery (Litmus) and latter asks Lee for antibiotics for Anders (Lay Down Your Burdens – Part II). Additionally, with the surgeries and burn victims, there are other pharmacological needs and a pharmacy is where these things dwell. Other areas that we have seen or know about are a morgue, where Galactica-Boomer was stored; a laboratory (to do support simple blood type and matching to support surgery), optometry with a fabrication lab (William Adama wears glasses and as stated in other areas of this site, battlestars are designed for sustained operations). We are also can infer that Galactica has some preventive medicine / occupational health capability because in “Water”, there was a discussion about water recycling (leading to potable water). It is Preventive Medicine that does this task.

I would like to add that RDM and SciFi do a heck of a job weaving into the background all these things. As an experienced health services officer with over 22 years in the health care field, there is a tremendous amount of detail that happens in the background. If I was a casual observer, I might miss or not care about some of these things. As someone headed into harms way, I assure you that our fighting forces moral is impacted combat health support. I absolutely belive we need to address the medical capabilities of a battle star. The propose the best way is start with what it would look like at full strenght / desired capability. Clearly, Season 3 will start with two grossly undermanned battlestars, with very limited offensive combat capability.--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 22:10, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

:The citations you've provided make it much easier to include this information, and I thank you for taking the time to write this all out. The addition should improve the article considerably. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:21, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

::I am sorry, but this doesn't change much: the above information was gleaned from things we've seen on screen, and is thus informative and useful. However, the original entry to this article he made (speculative medical numbers, etc.)...isn't supported by any of these citations. Basically, they're two separate issues and should be treated separately. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:48, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

:::Reverting to Killerman's last version isn't a good idea, but he (or we) can refactor his contribution using the points and evidence he raised above. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:57, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

::::Oh yes yes, something new and revised. Yes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:24, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Manufacture vs. Assembly of Ammunition ==
The "assembly" activities that take place in [[Epiphanies]] would fall into the realm of "production", depending on how you look at it. It seemed like they were loading the casings (I thought RDM said they were going to use caseless ammo) with powder, seating the primer and inserting the bullet, turning the various components into a cartridge. Whether or not they produced the individual components (metal for bullets and casings would be easy, compounds for primers and powder probably harder to obtain), the act of putting those bits together would often be considered "manufacturing" ammunition. Not a big deal, and I didn't even change the text (since it's pretty debatable). An example of this use of the word is in this [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4044-2004Jul21_2.html Washington Post Article]:

"''Israeli Military Industries said the ammunition will be manufactured in Israel but the raw materials, including propellants, projectiles and primers, come from U.S. sources.''
"

Once again, not trying to start a war, just wanted to weigh in on a subject I knew a little about (since they so rarely come up). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:02, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Picture of destroyed Galactica-type Battlestar ==
Though certainly a model of a Galactica-type was used for the shot, it's clearly mentioned at the very beginning of the miniseries that ''Galactica'' is the only ship of it's kind still in service. The story places the shot only hours after the beginning of the attack, so it should be impossible that another Galactica-type (museum or mothballed in a reserve-fleet) could be readied for battle. Shouldn't the destroyed battlestar be taken as one of a third class between the Galactica-Type and Mercury-class, still looking a lot like the Galactica-type? [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 13:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:That was my impulse. Story logic dictates that the destroyed hulk probably wasn't a Galactica type, but in the real world we can surmise that Zoic probably re-used the Galactica model. Of course, from that distance, we could fudge our interpretation either way. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:50, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::They don't necessarily mean that there are no Galactica type battlestars in service besides the Big-G, it could be taken to mean none like Galactica, eg. non-refitted, no networks, etc. The battlestar there could easily (and belivably) be a refitted Galactica type. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:22, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::I concur with Talos, and that has been my understanding. Besides, unless the ship was simply overwhelmed by Cylon military brawn, an old-Cylon War battlestar would put up the same level of fight as ''Galactica'' would have. Else, it was just as vulnerable as the new battlestars. I agree, cinematically, that that Galactica model was just reused.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:59, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::[http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgefeature.aspx?pid=3&fid=642 Something to ask] the big man himself? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 14:34, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'll do that in a little bit, I have to pick up my brother from his band practice in a minute. The life of a college student living at home... --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:36, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I really doubt he's going to take the time to clarify such a niggling detail. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

It has always been my belief that Doral meant it was the only Galactica-type battlestar never refited. I always point to the ''U.S.S. Missouri'' (Mighty 'Mo) as an example of a ship with over 50 years of combat service that just kept getting refitted over time to the point that it was firing satellite-targeted cruise missiles at the end of its service. I think Galactica was just the only one that was never refitted. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:57, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly. It's like the WWII era Essex class carriers. There were refits that were completly rebuilt but a few, essentially, originals survived until the early 1960s with the others serving thru Vietnam ([[Wikipedia:USS Oriskany (CVA-34)|USS Oriskany (CVA-34)]] for example). The [[Wikipedia:USS Lexington (CV-16)|USS Lexington (CV-16)]] was in service as a training ship until 1991! --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:26, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

::It's exactly the ''USS Missouri''-example why I believe that ''Galactica'' is the last of it's class: All four ''Iowa''-Class battleships were updated and they all were finally decommissoned (for now) between 1990 and 1992. If the ''Galactica'' is simply the only one not refitted one would have to ask why that wasn't done. Why would one refit three ''Iowas'' but not the last one? This usually only happens if a ship is somehow different from her sisters (e.g. having sustained heavy battledamage the refit is more expensive and not worth the effort). Also it could be that the fleet is being downsized, no longer needing all ships. An example for this would be the British [[Wikipedia:Illustrious class aircraft carrier|''Illustrious''-Class]] of World War II. Of these three carriers only one received an angled flight-deck, surviving the scrapping of the other two for twenty years. But in all these cases I find it hard to believe that anyone would describe one of the ships decommissioned first as ''the last of it's kind still in service'' if there others (refitted or not) still in action. Which ''Iowa'' would have been described that way prior to it's decommissioning: ''Iowa'' in 1990 or ''Missouri'' in 1992? Wasn't ''Lexington'' the last ''Essex''?
::What Doral says before and after that statement makes it quite clear that he's not talking about a certain detail (like ''last of it's kind without a network'' would have been). He starts with ''worldfamous Battlestar Galactica'', then ''last of her kind still in service'' followed by ''constructed 50 years ago as one of the first twelve battlestars, representing Caprica''. The only possible explanation for other Galactica-types this leaves would be ''Galactica'' being the last of the first twelve, with other Galactica-types coming from a second batch no longer representing specific colonys. But even then "last of her kind" is an usual choice of words to describe that. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 17:13, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:04, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I think it is still ambiguous, and we should wait for an RDM blog reply before changing anything. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:54, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::I doubt RDM will respond to this issue, and I think the safest course of action would just be to remove it. There's sufficient reason to doubt that the hulk isn't a galactica-type that we shouldn't take a firm position on the issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:22, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
:::The motivation for no refit to ''Galactica'' could be nostaliga or historical preservation, explaining the odd wording; for such a purpose, only the unaltered version would count. ...Don't get the impression I believe that just because I said it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:56, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:Not to mention Adama, "It's a computer network and I'll be damned if I'll let it aboard my ship while I'm in command." (Paraphrased)--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:01, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:We don't even know for sure if the destroyed battlestar was even in service. It could have been decommissioned earlier and be acting like a museum, just like Galactica was supposed to be. That would also explain its quick destruction. (It snapped cleanly in half). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:01, 13 January 2007 (CST)
::It could easily be in service still. In the Russian (and former Soviet) navy, there is a class of destroyers called the [[w:Udaloy class destroyer|Udaloy]]. The last of the class was heavily refitted and updated, bringing it up almost to Burke class levels. The important thing here is that there are still unrefitted ones in service (there was only enough money to upgrade one, the Admiral Chabenko). Then again, there is the Fletcher/Sumner class destroyers. The main differences were the gun armament (5x1 5" in Fletcher, 3x2 5" in Sumner), and the Sumner's twin rudders. Same hull and most of the superstructure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:13, 13 January 2007 (CST)
Also possible that the Galactica was origionally heavily armored like the Columbia but retrofitted. Then the other 1st war ships of its type were eventually decomissioned, whilst other Galactica Type Battlestars were made after the war without the extra armor (and other things we don't know about) to the new upgraded design of the Galactica type, therefore a different kind of ship. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

What everyone here has failed to realize is that in BSG, the real life progression of technology that we experienced from WWII up to the present day does not exist; remember that the pre-war colonies were only superficially more advanced then the post war colonies. Based upon on screen information, it seems that the core of Colonial technology has not advanced by much from the time of the first Cylon war up to the attack on the colonies. The Galactica is not a WWII battleship/carrier running with analog systems. She seems to have very advanced computers, for example, a computer that can quickly compute something like a FTL jump has to be advanced, not to mention the computer/s that control the hundreds of point defense guns. Admiral Cain stated that a significant difference between the BSG and the Pegasus is the computer network and the automation that it controls. This in no way implies that Galactica's computers are inferior, just that they are not networked and as a result the ship requires more human coordination. There is also no evidence that the Galactica never received refits/replacement/upgrades of her original computer cores as well as here many other systems, of course there is no evidence to support the idea other than real-life navy practice. So one has to ask, is the Galactica really that out of date technology wise? I am of the opinion that the remark from the miniseries meant that Galactica was the last of the originals, still in the war-time configuration (meaning no networked automation). As for the destroyed Galactica type, it is not that unreasonable to assume that it is an early post-war ship, utilizing the same outer hull configuration but with updated internals such as increased network-controlled automation. I base this upon real-life ship design, looking at the list of modern destroyers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyer_classes_of_the_United_States_Navy]; when the navy finds a hull design that works they tend to stick with it, changing the internals with each subsequent class. Other examples are the F-18 hornet and the F-18 Super Hornet, as well as the Nimitz class carriers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier]. On the Nimitz page, read the section on the "Design differences within the class", particularly the ROCH part. Also read the "Future" section which states that the next class of carrier is "using an almost identical hull design". --[[User:ViperMkII|ViperMkII]] 08:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Crew numbers ==

How do we know a fully manned and equipped battlestar has a crew of 4,000 to 5,000? Was it said in some episode or where do these numbers come from? I'm updating the [[de:Kampfstern, Galactica-Typ|german battlestar article]] and I don't like to use data that seems to be made up out of thin air. The links and notes provided don't give any hint about the normal crew number of a battlestar of this type. We apologise for any inconvenience. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 16:03, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:In the Miniseries, Tyrol says that there are over 2,000 people on Galactica. The ships seems very undermanned at the same time so I would think that 4-5,000 is a good estimate. I'm not sure if we've seen any concrete numbers though, maybe in the magazine. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:52, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::Answer: in "Water" Baltar says how many civilians there are in the Fleet, and subtracting that from the total survivor population in that episode yielded the crew aboard Galactica as of "Water", at some number over 2,600 (I'd have to check). In several podcasts, Ron Moore keeps saying that while not on a skeleton crew, Galactica has about half the number of people on it that a fully crewed battlestar of its class would have. So, "between 4,000 and 5,000". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:38, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Thanks for the clarification, I'll take these numbers then. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 07:37, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

== Flight tube counts ==
I see (in [[:Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg]], e.g.) 20 slots that seem like they might each be divided in half along the side of ''Galactica''. I can see why it is likely they are launch tubes, but I can also see many other similarly sized openings around them. Although it's a fine guess and quite likely to be true, I'm left hestitant that this evidence is sufficiently strong to be canon. In any case, if consensus is that this is canon, we should certainly footnote it, as the truth of the statement is not patently clear. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 00:10, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

== Delivery of Nuclear weapons ==

Since the Cylon forces repeatedly use missiles as an effective delivery platform for their nuclear weapons, isn't ir relativel safe to assume- since, of course, the Cylons were created by the Colonials- that the method deployed by Colonial forces is also missile-based? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:22, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:It's a good idea, and I personally agree with it, but there is no aired proof, and thusly we cannot confirm how they do it. The two Galactica nukes we've seen thus far (Baltar's and the one Boomer uses to destroy the Basestar in Kobol's Last Gleaming Part II) have been removed from their delivery systems. (Although Boomer's did look like it was in a bomb casing). --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:31, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Fair point. Perhaps we'll get clarificaion in Season3, since Galactica herself still has three nuclear weapons aboard. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Well, we know now, good call on it being revealed in season 3, Although they haven't been used yet, I'm willing to bet they will be used in season 4 and we are going to have to update the articles again.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:09, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
== Galactica-Class? ==

Please bear with me for a moment as I am citing a magazine many of you may consider illegitimate. In the September 2006 issue of Maxim Magazine, the "Fashion" section of Maxim Style features a photoshoot of the RDM Battlestar Galactica cast modeling various fashions. In one photograph, featuring James Callis and Tricia Helfer in a small corner alcove of the CIC (possibly weapons control or some other station), a center console features the text "GALACTICA-CLASS BATTLESTAR" in two places, easily readable to the viewer. I know it is general policy on television shows that whatever is aired in a given episode is canon, and what is not aired, non-canon. However, would this (i.e., "Galactica-class Battlestar") be considered canon since this console is occasionally seen in a given episode? Or am I just reading too much into a simple photoshoot? --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 09:30, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Do you have a photograph of this? or a timestamp where we can check the DVD's? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:55, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::I assume he means [http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/images/season_3/maxim_5.jpg this] but on that pic I can't really see it on the prinouts on the table. It does indeed look like the weapon's control room, though I can't recall the table there. The room can be seen very rarely. In the miniseries for example --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I can barely make it out. Though it isn't canon, unless we saw it on the show itself, or if someone from the show were to tell us that "yes, indeed, ''Galactica'' is a ''Galactica''-class battlestar". Then it's canon. However, by all means, we can certainly put something in the notes section regarding this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::That's definitely the weapons control section of CIC. If we can get a clearer shot, that will remove all doubt; it does look like "Galactica class" to me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:57, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Something for [[BW:OC]]? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:14, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::If I had access to a scanner I would provide a high-res image to examine; unfortunately, I am a relatively-poor college student (and how many aren't these days?) and the only scanner access I have is a public-use scanner in our bookstore. However, the image Mercifull provided is the one I indicated in my first post. In my copy of the issue, the text clearly reads "Galactica-class Battlestar". I know this is a minor detail among many in a show so richly layered by the writers and producers, but I wanted to make sure the Battlestar Wiki was as accurate as possible; I use the Wiki to enhance my experience of this incredible drama. Thank you all for your timely responses to my question. --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 11:39, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
I hate to dredge up an old topic, but here's some food for thought that might support the theory that ''Galactica'' is the class name. Now, we're told that Galactica herself represented Caprica, the de facto capital of the colonies. Surely it stands to reason that the first battlestar built would be the one to represent the primary colony- Galactica. I know this is fanwanking, but I just thought of it and figured I'd voice my idea. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:26, 5 November 2007 (CST)

== Actual class name? ==

I can purely speculate that the actual name of the original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis'', in honor of the wife of assassinated President [[Wikipedia:John F. Kennedy|John F. Kennedy]], [[Wikipedia:Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis|Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis]]. So, ''Galactica'' is considered as an ''Onassis''-class battlestar. The prototype of its class, battlestar ''Onassis'' is destroyed in the renewed [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] conflict. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 21:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::LMAO at this troll.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:11, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
:And there's ''nothing'' to back this up with? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 02:06, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:And how would Colonials know of the Kennedys? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 02:29, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::Because they got information from Earth about these Kennedys before the Cylon Holocaust. Years before the [[Cylon War]], the battlestar prototype, ''Onassis'', is constructed, then ''Galactica'' itself. Therefore, we presume this original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis''. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 04:20, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I am ''very'' confused. There would have to be some serious cite for that change. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 05:10, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

I think that Starkiller is being absurd to prove a point, but, like others, I'm missing it. As per our convention, pure speculation is disallowed here without official sources to back it up. Since the picture of two BSG actors on an official set using props that match others with information cited as official and used here for articles (navigation charts) which indicates that ''Galactica'' is the first of her class, we should continue on this thread. Otherwise, Starkiller's comment is patent nonsense given that BSG is deliberately set so we don't know if the events occur in real-world Earth's past, present, or future. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:13, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I've heard on several occasions that Galactica may be an "Atlantia-class" battlestar, but have found nothing to support this online. I've also heard that the original Galactica was a "Columbia-class". Is this true? If so, is it possible that the re-imagined Galactica is also a Columbia-class? I think this should head on over to [[BW:OC]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:46, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::"Columbia-class" is common fan fiction. "Atlantia" class would make little sense: why would the fleet admiral use a old battlestar as his flagship? His ship would be Mercury class or something better (and more advanced--it was destroyed like the other [[CNP]] ships). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:34, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Then why does Adama choose Galactica as his flaghsip, and not Pegasus? There's nothing said on-screen to suggest that the Galactica-type battlestars were NOT re-fitted with computer networks. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Besides, the Atlantia mentioned in the mini could easily have been Mercury-class, and the original may have been retired like the Big G was. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:54, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Commanders don't have to choose the best and biggest ship as their flagship as long as they can do their duty from another one. Don't know who but some guy in WWII chose a destroyer or maybe a battleship as his command post and not an aircraft carrier. As long as there are options, there is some personal choice involved.
::::And you're right about networks. The Mini gives the distinct impression that it was only Adama's doing that the Galactica
::::wasn't more automated -[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:08, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Yeah, Admiral Raymond Spruance chose the cruiser USS Indianapolis as his flagship when he had multiple carriers at his disposal. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:11, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::As shown in events during the second half of season 2, Adama doesn't likely trust ''Pegasus'' crew. To quote Adama: "I tend to go with what you know, until something better comes along." So the decision is logical; he trusts ''Galactica'' and her crew, thus he plants his flag there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:52, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::An corollary to Joe's comments: It is very likely that there is a long-standing (but fading) tradition to keep ''Galactica'' from being refitted, just as our USS Constitution was never refitted as a steamer, in keeping with her (supposed) significancy in Colonial war history. Besides, to ''revert'' any ship from new to old technology is just weird and very unlikely. There may have been fewer commanders willing to assume command of ''Galactica'' in this tradition, but Adama, a man who knew all too well of the problems of technology (and had served on her in the last part of the war), chose ''Galactica'' willingly, I figure. This is reinforced with the arrival of ''Pegasus''. He could've moved his new admiral flag there, but he hasn't. He prefers to go with what he knows until something better shows up. The old battlestar ''Galactica'', in Adama's mind, is still best. ''Pegasus'' survived more on luck than inherent design. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:30, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

==Role==

As with the Mercury-class article, I've amended the class role to [[Wikipedia:Battlecarrier|battlecarrier]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:37, 27 September 2006 (CDT)

:Madbrood, I can appreciate the use, but based on your link, I disagree. The term "battlestar" is a true carrier AND battleship in one, where the "battlecarrier" of our Earth is a rough amalgam that doesn't come close in size, fighter capacity, or firepower. Further, I wonder if we want to use complext Earth naval terms instead of what is given in the show to describe the ships using simple naval language. "Carrier/battleship" is less "smooth" than "battlecruiser", but is is also more accurate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:44, 27 September 2006 (CDT)
::I agree. Battlecruiser is a nice term, but it really doesn't fit Galactica. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:35, 28 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Fair enough. I just figured it sounded a bit more "military". --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:47, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

::::I know. I'd love to put up "big, frakkin' warship/carrier with guns, lots of guns," but "warship/carrier" may have to do. Keeping it simple. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:33, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar Redirect ==
Battlestar (RDM) currently redirects here. The only reason this concerned me was I was actually linking to a more generic use of the word ("Adama had been on an another battlestar before ''Galactica''). Back when "big G" was the only one we knew of, it defintely made sense. Now that we have "''Galactica'' type", "Mercury class", and "''Valkyrie'' type" I was wondering if maybe we needed a more generic article to sit at battlestar (RDM) describing the aircraft carrier/battleship capital ship concept in more general terms, with ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and ''Valkyrie'' being specific examples. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:45, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:That sounds good to me, a general article explaing what battlestars are, listing known ones, mentioning BSGs, missions, etc. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:30, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::Rather than that, why not redirect to the central [[Battlestar]] disambiguation? It already has listed all battlestars by show and type, and avoids extra work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:26, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:::'''That''' is exactly what I wanted to link to. I just automatically tagged an RDM on the end of it. I'll go change that link, but I agree that we should just change Battlestar (RDM) to point to Battlestar (work smarter not harder). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:57, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Hah, I'd forgotten about that page. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:23, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:40, 4 December 2006 (CST)

== Life Support ==

How exactly do Galactica's life support systems work? I know their recirculation units replenish oxygen and remove carbon dioxide, but does this oxygen come from tanks or is it recycled from somewhere? The ISS uses electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, so is is possible that Galactica-type ships do something similar to this?--[[User:Rapturous|Rapturous]] 13:52, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
: Other than the scrubbers, it's really never been explained. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:03, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
::Theoretically, they could have a big room full of plants somewhere in the ship. Plants 'breathe in' carbon dioxide and 'breathe out' oxygen, the opposite of what we do. However, you would need some kind of imitation sun then, because the chemical reaction I just described can only occur in sunlight. Other (artifical) means of converting CO<sub>2</sub> back to oxygen could also be used (scrubbers?), but like the plants they will also require energy to work. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:57, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Have you ever seen the film [[w:Sunshine (2007 film)|Sunshine]] Catrope?
:::http://www.sunshinedna.com/wp-images/2005/09/2109_06a.jpg
:::They used an oxygen garden in that to produce the breathable air :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:37, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Yep, I have. Spoilers for Sunshine follow: {{spoilli|In the scene where the ''Icarus II'' crew boards ''Icarus I'', you can see that her garden is still alive, because of the CO<sub>2</sub> <-> O<sub>2</sub> equilibrium between the plants and Captain Pinbacker who has lived there for seven years (having killed the rest of his crew).}} --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:58, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Perhaps tanks containing algae, submitted to given ranges of EM radiations? The idea of a garden is nice, but doesn't fit in the show, since no one ever walked in Galactica's garden. ;) That's why they needed Cloud 9. --[[User:Mister Oragahn|Mister Oragahn]] 01:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Galactica class pic to rear its head again ==

I ran across [http://acedmagazine.com/images/stories/battlestargalactica/battlestargalactica23.jpg this picture], which shows the "Galactica class battlestar" sheet again. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 12:21, 25 November 2007 (CST)
:Shall we [[BW:OC|ask Brad]] whether this is official or just something the props department made up? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:21, 26 November 2007 (CST)
:Maybe put it on a more prominent place in the article, but explain that such props aren't necessarily official or reliable. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 26 November 2007 (CST)

== Main Battery Numbers ==
I have noticed that there is some confusion on the number of these guns. In examining the the picture of the ventral side, I have noticed 12 guns. 8 are marked, while 4 (two starboard and two port) are partially concealed by the bottom of the bow. They are roughly between the forward four guns and the first four midships guns. --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 19:51, 13 January 2008 (CST)
:There are twelve marked (8+4). With another 4, that would make the original number of 24 correct (16 ventral + 8 dorsal). That's why being so pedantic about trivial stuff like ship armament is kinda annoying. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:27, 14 January 2008 (CST)

== Why the flight pods must be retracted ==

When Galactica made the jump that broke her spine, her flight pods were still out. It would seem that jumping with the pods extended on this class of ship causes undue structural strain. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 02:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
: This was never the real reason for the strain. Having the flight pods extended doesn't cause strain... the jump itself caused strain, particularly after the stress from ramming the Colony and from the previous wear and tear Galactica experienced over the four years. Starting from the nuke impacting on Galactica in the Mini, the stress of continually jumping away from the Colonies, the "Adama Maneuver" at New Caprica, the various engagements with the Cylons throughout the series, going through the star cluster, etc., etc. Tigh said way back in Season Three that it would take weeks of Galactica in drydock just to knock out the dents... and he wasn't joking. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, I know that. But jumping with the flight pods out (which has been thoroughly established to be a bad course of action for Galactica's class of battlestar) probably didn't help.
:::There are just too many circumstances that factored into ''Galactica'' breaking her back to make a clear argument for and against the flight pods being *the* main cause. Yes, in all the previous instances it has been said that ''Galactica'' couldn't (or couldn't afford) to jump with them extended. But Adama knew that this was her last mission, and just like Cain, coordinates or flight pods be damned, just jump or they're doomed just the same. BTW, the Raptors jumping inside the flight pod distrupted the structure, so it might very well have been impossible to retract at all.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 05:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::::If you consider that a FTL drive might be calibrated to make jumps based on a given volume, or mass, themselves possibly relative to the center of gravity of the ship, the physics of the FTL drives might put greater strain onto the ship's superstructure if jumping without retracting the pods. One could think the retraction is necessary because of power requirements as well. --[[User:Mister Oragahn|Mister Oragahn]] 01:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It is so obvious that the retracted flight pods increase the lateral structural integrity of the ship. Why else would they retract into the hull so completely?--[[User:ViperMkII|ViperMkII]] 16:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mass packets? ==

I've removed this from the article, since it wasn't specifically sourced, although the wording states that Adama specifically mentioned this in the miniseries. Either way, the note needs to be more clearly written and better sourced, definitely. Note follows:

*Unknown number of Mass Packet Launchers (Important Editors note: The mention of this weapons technology is clearly mentioned by Admiral [[William Adama]] during the miniseries but is never mentioned again after the galactica runs out of this ammunition).

-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class is probably an error ==

After [[User:Lonewriter|Lonewriter]]'s edit, I looked up the ''Jupiter''-class battlestar thing in the ''Science of BSG'' book. It is referred to there as ''Jupiter''-class, '''''however''''' I have a real problem with this because of the way the information is presented in the book:

: From page 250: 'In the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" we learn that ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar, while ''Pegasus'' is a much newer ''Mercury''-class.'

Now the problem with this is that in ''Pegasus'' (the extended edition where this scene pops up), we only learn that ''Pegasus'' is a ''Mercury''-class and that it is newer. Adama says nothing about ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. Now, they may have been referring to the script (I don't have access to the scripts, so I can't confirm that, however my recollection is that ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class was ''never'' mentioned), but scripts aren't necessarily canon. Particularly if this scene was later cut differently.

As this is the case, I've removed this. However, at the very least, we should re-add some mention of this back in since it is printed in an official book. Just it's not canon, since the primary source of that's referenced in the book ''does not'' support this assertion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 05:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

==Armaments==
Yea Galactica types post-refit did not have 40 large turrets. If you look at the picture of Gal next to two other ships of her class (on the main article) you can see that there are no turrets on the vental surface of the bow. There are 24 large guns along the dorsal surface of the ship for definate, and it is unclear if the 8 turrets on the main vental surface are there or not. As such at most the refit version would at most have 32 turrets not 40. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 11:05, 27 November 2012 (EST)

: I think it's too hard to say at this point until we see more of her during B&C. As for the bow guns, they're very hard to see even from an orthographic view
: [http://imgur.com/IRpOw.jpg]
: [http://imgur.com/VQvgj.jpg]

: Out of those two images only two guns are visible, and from a head on view. The Plan-esque screencap is from a slightly above perspective so I think the guns are most likely still there, just obscured. [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 04:39, 28 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Galactica type battlestar/Archive 1

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YIIMM: /* Armaments */

:: Archive from [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Galactica_type_battlestar&oldid=47676 April 17, 2006]
== Medical Capabilites of a Battlestar ==

Peter,

Your assertion of "unfound speculation" concerning my contribution is uninformed and unfounded. I am a military medical planner and a published author. My assertion of the potential medical capabilities and requirements of an intergalactic warship (modeled on a US aircraft carrier), while hypothetical, is informed. Keep in mind these are requirements that the ship would have originally been built (not the "as is" state). At this point in the story line, clearly Major Cottle is the only doctor on Galactica, however we have never seen the Pegasus medical bay or any of its medical personnel. With established industrial facilities on Pegasus (Viper production established in “Scar”), the Pegasus would have evn greater Occupational Health / Preventive Medicine than Galactica. And if you do a walk down of the ancillary services (pharmacy (camala extract), orthopedic and x-ray (Kara’s knee injury), optometry (ADM Adama’s glasses), etc, you will see they exist even if they are not portrayed. Additionally, it was an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) bed, complete with ventilator, which William Adama was in during his multiple surgeries (establishing an Operation Room (OR)).

Capital ships are designed to go into battle, which means they will take damage and casualties. Often it is the ability to regenerate / repair / refit in the quickest amount of time that determines the outcome of battles. General Nathan Bedford Forrest of the Confederate States of America is famous for the quote, “He who gets there the fastest with the mostest wins.” RDM makes reference to his experience onboard a Navy ship in podcasts, including “The Captain’s Hand”. Thus, there is an established framework present.

I provide you two active hyperlinks that back up my contribution. While dated, they are still relevant.

http://www.mfp.usmc.mil/TeamApp/G4/Topics/20040916154046/Med%20Cont%20Factbook.pdf

www.iiimef.usmc.mil/medical/ FMF/FMFE/FMFEref/fs_man/CHAPTER%2014.html

--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 20:26, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:I have no doubt that you are well qualified to speak about the medical capabilities of an aircraft carrier. I dispute their relevance to BSG, however. while they might provide a good baseline for guesswork, I don't think that simple guesswork belongs on this site. We don't extrapolate armament details based on the capabilities of modern naval vessels, for example. If you wanted, I wouldn't object to something along the lines of "we may conjecture that the medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier" with one of the links you provided above; but I will not agree to listing out detailed specifications based on no in-continuity data. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:37, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

::''At last I went to the artisans. I was conscious that I knew nothing at all, as I may say, and I was sure that they knew many fine things; and here I was not mistaken, for they did know many things of which I was ignorant, and in this they certainly were wiser than I was. But I observed that even the good artisans fell into error;--because they were good workmen they thought that they also knew all sorts of high matters, and this defect in them overshadowed their wisdom;''
:::''The Apology of Socrates'', Plato

::Sir, none of us doubt that you know what you are talking about when you list the medical capabilities of a modern aicraft carrier. But this does not grant you increased insight into the inner logic of the tv series: First, we have no idea how many medical staff are onboard, and comparing it to an aircraft carrier is just speculation. Second, we have no idea how many crewmen a Mercury class battlestar normally has, as has been asked in the "Questions" segment of the "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" episode guide article: Pegasus has 1,750 crewmen when it encounters Galactica, but A) It was going into drydock, and some of the crew may have left to the port, B) 700 crewmen died in the initial attack C) Cain impressed civillians she encounteed into service and most importantly C) Cain was fighting a hit and run war against the Cylons for months, which wore down her crew numbers through attrition. But I digress. Yes, we should object to a statement like "we may conjecture that medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:41, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:::I guess you can object to that too, if you want. I was trying to compromise. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:48, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'm sorry Peter but this is a really good example of the speculation I don't think we should be inserting into this kind of article. There is nothing to be gained from such a compromise. I would if there were, and would like to, but I can't change facts. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:51, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

Peter,

As I am preparing to deploy for a year, please forgive me as I have packed all my BSG video. I grant you that the personnel numbers for a fully manned battlestar are informed speculation based upon a comparison to a modern aircraft carrier. I use these numbers as RDM has referenced a battlestar to a modern carrier, his experience in the Navy (podcast for The Captain’s Hand), Galactica type battlestar – article – dimensions’ jpg comparing a Battlestar to a CVN Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg on this very page. My professional training drives me to fill in unknowns with assumptions. That is what the personnel piece was intended and is consistent with other speculation within the Wiki, so long as it is said to be speculation (i.e. the actual working of an FTL drive). But sticking to the medical capabilities known from “in country (your term)” knowledge (i.e. seen on screen or in dialogue), we know much about Galactica. First, Galactica has a sickbay (Act of Contrition, Litmus). Exact bed count is not known, but is greater than seven (Act of Contrition). Based upon the burn victims (Act of Contrition) and treatment of William Adama (Scattered, Valley of Darkness, Fragged), we have seen Intensive Care Unit (ICU) beds, complete with ventilators, electrocardiograms (ECG), pulse / respiration / pulseox (shows percent of oxygen saturation dissolved in blood) monitors. We also have seen at least on operation room (OR) (Fragged), and subsequently confirm its existence with Kara Thrace’s knee surgery (Litmus) and Lee Adama’s chest surgery (Sacrifice). Concerning the radiology suite, we saw a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI – incidentally, a very advanced piece of equipment) when Baltar had Dr. Cottle examine his head looking for an implanted chip (sorry, don’t remember the episode). We also saw conventional (chest) x-rays of Commander William Adama, during his surgery (Fragged, Scattered). We heard about Sharon’s ultrasound, as part of pre-natal health on Hera, where Dr. Cottle found an abnormality. And while not part of radiology, Hera, is placed in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) incubator, when is born prematurely. Next, we know it has a pharmacy. The President asked Dr. Cottle for Camala, the Viper pilots were taking “stims” (33, Final Cut) and Kara is taking pain killers for her knee surgery (Litmus) and latter asks Lee for antibiotics for Anders (Lay Down Your Burdens – Part II). Additionally, with the surgeries and burn victims, there are other pharmacological needs and a pharmacy is where these things dwell. Other areas that we have seen or know about are a morgue, where Galactica-Boomer was stored; a laboratory (to do support simple blood type and matching to support surgery), optometry with a fabrication lab (William Adama wears glasses and as stated in other areas of this site, battlestars are designed for sustained operations). We are also can infer that Galactica has some preventive medicine / occupational health capability because in “Water”, there was a discussion about water recycling (leading to potable water). It is Preventive Medicine that does this task.

I would like to add that RDM and SciFi do a heck of a job weaving into the background all these things. As an experienced health services officer with over 22 years in the health care field, there is a tremendous amount of detail that happens in the background. If I was a casual observer, I might miss or not care about some of these things. As someone headed into harms way, I assure you that our fighting forces moral is impacted combat health support. I absolutely belive we need to address the medical capabilities of a battle star. The propose the best way is start with what it would look like at full strenght / desired capability. Clearly, Season 3 will start with two grossly undermanned battlestars, with very limited offensive combat capability.--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 22:10, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

:The citations you've provided make it much easier to include this information, and I thank you for taking the time to write this all out. The addition should improve the article considerably. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:21, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

::I am sorry, but this doesn't change much: the above information was gleaned from things we've seen on screen, and is thus informative and useful. However, the original entry to this article he made (speculative medical numbers, etc.)...isn't supported by any of these citations. Basically, they're two separate issues and should be treated separately. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:48, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

:::Reverting to Killerman's last version isn't a good idea, but he (or we) can refactor his contribution using the points and evidence he raised above. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:57, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

::::Oh yes yes, something new and revised. Yes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:24, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Manufacture vs. Assembly of Ammunition ==
The "assembly" activities that take place in [[Epiphanies]] would fall into the realm of "production", depending on how you look at it. It seemed like they were loading the casings (I thought RDM said they were going to use caseless ammo) with powder, seating the primer and inserting the bullet, turning the various components into a cartridge. Whether or not they produced the individual components (metal for bullets and casings would be easy, compounds for primers and powder probably harder to obtain), the act of putting those bits together would often be considered "manufacturing" ammunition. Not a big deal, and I didn't even change the text (since it's pretty debatable). An example of this use of the word is in this [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4044-2004Jul21_2.html Washington Post Article]:

"''Israeli Military Industries said the ammunition will be manufactured in Israel but the raw materials, including propellants, projectiles and primers, come from U.S. sources.''
"

Once again, not trying to start a war, just wanted to weigh in on a subject I knew a little about (since they so rarely come up). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:02, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Picture of destroyed Galactica-type Battlestar ==
Though certainly a model of a Galactica-type was used for the shot, it's clearly mentioned at the very beginning of the miniseries that ''Galactica'' is the only ship of it's kind still in service. The story places the shot only hours after the beginning of the attack, so it should be impossible that another Galactica-type (museum or mothballed in a reserve-fleet) could be readied for battle. Shouldn't the destroyed battlestar be taken as one of a third class between the Galactica-Type and Mercury-class, still looking a lot like the Galactica-type? [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 13:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:That was my impulse. Story logic dictates that the destroyed hulk probably wasn't a Galactica type, but in the real world we can surmise that Zoic probably re-used the Galactica model. Of course, from that distance, we could fudge our interpretation either way. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:50, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::They don't necessarily mean that there are no Galactica type battlestars in service besides the Big-G, it could be taken to mean none like Galactica, eg. non-refitted, no networks, etc. The battlestar there could easily (and belivably) be a refitted Galactica type. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:22, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::I concur with Talos, and that has been my understanding. Besides, unless the ship was simply overwhelmed by Cylon military brawn, an old-Cylon War battlestar would put up the same level of fight as ''Galactica'' would have. Else, it was just as vulnerable as the new battlestars. I agree, cinematically, that that Galactica model was just reused.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:59, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::[http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgefeature.aspx?pid=3&fid=642 Something to ask] the big man himself? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 14:34, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'll do that in a little bit, I have to pick up my brother from his band practice in a minute. The life of a college student living at home... --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:36, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I really doubt he's going to take the time to clarify such a niggling detail. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

It has always been my belief that Doral meant it was the only Galactica-type battlestar never refited. I always point to the ''U.S.S. Missouri'' (Mighty 'Mo) as an example of a ship with over 50 years of combat service that just kept getting refitted over time to the point that it was firing satellite-targeted cruise missiles at the end of its service. I think Galactica was just the only one that was never refitted. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:57, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly. It's like the WWII era Essex class carriers. There were refits that were completly rebuilt but a few, essentially, originals survived until the early 1960s with the others serving thru Vietnam ([[Wikipedia:USS Oriskany (CVA-34)|USS Oriskany (CVA-34)]] for example). The [[Wikipedia:USS Lexington (CV-16)|USS Lexington (CV-16)]] was in service as a training ship until 1991! --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:26, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

::It's exactly the ''USS Missouri''-example why I believe that ''Galactica'' is the last of it's class: All four ''Iowa''-Class battleships were updated and they all were finally decommissoned (for now) between 1990 and 1992. If the ''Galactica'' is simply the only one not refitted one would have to ask why that wasn't done. Why would one refit three ''Iowas'' but not the last one? This usually only happens if a ship is somehow different from her sisters (e.g. having sustained heavy battledamage the refit is more expensive and not worth the effort). Also it could be that the fleet is being downsized, no longer needing all ships. An example for this would be the British [[Wikipedia:Illustrious class aircraft carrier|''Illustrious''-Class]] of World War II. Of these three carriers only one received an angled flight-deck, surviving the scrapping of the other two for twenty years. But in all these cases I find it hard to believe that anyone would describe one of the ships decommissioned first as ''the last of it's kind still in service'' if there others (refitted or not) still in action. Which ''Iowa'' would have been described that way prior to it's decommissioning: ''Iowa'' in 1990 or ''Missouri'' in 1992? Wasn't ''Lexington'' the last ''Essex''?
::What Doral says before and after that statement makes it quite clear that he's not talking about a certain detail (like ''last of it's kind without a network'' would have been). He starts with ''worldfamous Battlestar Galactica'', then ''last of her kind still in service'' followed by ''constructed 50 years ago as one of the first twelve battlestars, representing Caprica''. The only possible explanation for other Galactica-types this leaves would be ''Galactica'' being the last of the first twelve, with other Galactica-types coming from a second batch no longer representing specific colonys. But even then "last of her kind" is an usual choice of words to describe that. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 17:13, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:04, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I think it is still ambiguous, and we should wait for an RDM blog reply before changing anything. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:54, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::I doubt RDM will respond to this issue, and I think the safest course of action would just be to remove it. There's sufficient reason to doubt that the hulk isn't a galactica-type that we shouldn't take a firm position on the issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:22, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
:::The motivation for no refit to ''Galactica'' could be nostaliga or historical preservation, explaining the odd wording; for such a purpose, only the unaltered version would count. ...Don't get the impression I believe that just because I said it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:56, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:Not to mention Adama, "It's a computer network and I'll be damned if I'll let it aboard my ship while I'm in command." (Paraphrased)--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:01, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:We don't even know for sure if the destroyed battlestar was even in service. It could have been decommissioned earlier and be acting like a museum, just like Galactica was supposed to be. That would also explain its quick destruction. (It snapped cleanly in half). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:01, 13 January 2007 (CST)
::It could easily be in service still. In the Russian (and former Soviet) navy, there is a class of destroyers called the [[w:Udaloy class destroyer|Udaloy]]. The last of the class was heavily refitted and updated, bringing it up almost to Burke class levels. The important thing here is that there are still unrefitted ones in service (there was only enough money to upgrade one, the Admiral Chabenko). Then again, there is the Fletcher/Sumner class destroyers. The main differences were the gun armament (5x1 5" in Fletcher, 3x2 5" in Sumner), and the Sumner's twin rudders. Same hull and most of the superstructure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:13, 13 January 2007 (CST)
Also possible that the Galactica was origionally heavily armored like the Columbia but retrofitted. Then the other 1st war ships of its type were eventually decomissioned, whilst other Galactica Type Battlestars were made after the war without the extra armor (and other things we don't know about) to the new upgraded design of the Galactica type, therefore a different kind of ship. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

What everyone here has failed to realize is that in BSG, the real life progression of technology that we experienced from WWII up to the present day does not exist; remember that the pre-war colonies were only superficially more advanced then the post war colonies. Based upon on screen information, it seems that the core of Colonial technology has not advanced by much from the time of the first Cylon war up to the attack on the colonies. The Galactica is not a WWII battleship/carrier running with analog systems. She seems to have very advanced computers, for example, a computer that can quickly compute something like a FTL jump has to be advanced, not to mention the computer/s that control the hundreds of point defense guns. Admiral Cain stated that a significant difference between the BSG and the Pegasus is the computer network and the automation that it controls. This in no way implies that Galactica's computers are inferior, just that they are not networked and as a result the ship requires more human coordination. There is also no evidence that the Galactica never received refits/replacement/upgrades of her original computer cores as well as here many other systems, of course there is no evidence to support the idea other than real-life navy practice. So one has to ask, is the Galactica really that out of date technology wise? I am of the opinion that the remark from the miniseries meant that Galactica was the last of the originals, still in the war-time configuration (meaning no networked automation). As for the destroyed Galactica type, it is not that unreasonable to assume that it is an early post-war ship, utilizing the same outer hull configuration but with updated internals such as increased network-controlled automation. I base this upon real-life ship design, looking at the list of modern destroyers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyer_classes_of_the_United_States_Navy]; when the navy finds a hull design that works they tend to stick with it, changing the internals with each subsequent class. Other examples are the F-18 hornet and the F-18 Super Hornet, as well as the Nimitz class carriers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier]. On the Nimitz page, read the section on the "Design differences within the class", particularly the ROCH part. Also read the "Future" section which states that the next class of carrier is "using an almost identical hull design". --[[User:ViperMkII|ViperMkII]] 08:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Crew numbers ==

How do we know a fully manned and equipped battlestar has a crew of 4,000 to 5,000? Was it said in some episode or where do these numbers come from? I'm updating the [[de:Kampfstern, Galactica-Typ|german battlestar article]] and I don't like to use data that seems to be made up out of thin air. The links and notes provided don't give any hint about the normal crew number of a battlestar of this type. We apologise for any inconvenience. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 16:03, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:In the Miniseries, Tyrol says that there are over 2,000 people on Galactica. The ships seems very undermanned at the same time so I would think that 4-5,000 is a good estimate. I'm not sure if we've seen any concrete numbers though, maybe in the magazine. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:52, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::Answer: in "Water" Baltar says how many civilians there are in the Fleet, and subtracting that from the total survivor population in that episode yielded the crew aboard Galactica as of "Water", at some number over 2,600 (I'd have to check). In several podcasts, Ron Moore keeps saying that while not on a skeleton crew, Galactica has about half the number of people on it that a fully crewed battlestar of its class would have. So, "between 4,000 and 5,000". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:38, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Thanks for the clarification, I'll take these numbers then. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 07:37, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

== Flight tube counts ==
I see (in [[:Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg]], e.g.) 20 slots that seem like they might each be divided in half along the side of ''Galactica''. I can see why it is likely they are launch tubes, but I can also see many other similarly sized openings around them. Although it's a fine guess and quite likely to be true, I'm left hestitant that this evidence is sufficiently strong to be canon. In any case, if consensus is that this is canon, we should certainly footnote it, as the truth of the statement is not patently clear. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 00:10, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

== Delivery of Nuclear weapons ==

Since the Cylon forces repeatedly use missiles as an effective delivery platform for their nuclear weapons, isn't ir relativel safe to assume- since, of course, the Cylons were created by the Colonials- that the method deployed by Colonial forces is also missile-based? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:22, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:It's a good idea, and I personally agree with it, but there is no aired proof, and thusly we cannot confirm how they do it. The two Galactica nukes we've seen thus far (Baltar's and the one Boomer uses to destroy the Basestar in Kobol's Last Gleaming Part II) have been removed from their delivery systems. (Although Boomer's did look like it was in a bomb casing). --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:31, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Fair point. Perhaps we'll get clarificaion in Season3, since Galactica herself still has three nuclear weapons aboard. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Well, we know now, good call on it being revealed in season 3, Although they haven't been used yet, I'm willing to bet they will be used in season 4 and we are going to have to update the articles again.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:09, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
== Galactica-Class? ==

Please bear with me for a moment as I am citing a magazine many of you may consider illegitimate. In the September 2006 issue of Maxim Magazine, the "Fashion" section of Maxim Style features a photoshoot of the RDM Battlestar Galactica cast modeling various fashions. In one photograph, featuring James Callis and Tricia Helfer in a small corner alcove of the CIC (possibly weapons control or some other station), a center console features the text "GALACTICA-CLASS BATTLESTAR" in two places, easily readable to the viewer. I know it is general policy on television shows that whatever is aired in a given episode is canon, and what is not aired, non-canon. However, would this (i.e., "Galactica-class Battlestar") be considered canon since this console is occasionally seen in a given episode? Or am I just reading too much into a simple photoshoot? --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 09:30, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Do you have a photograph of this? or a timestamp where we can check the DVD's? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:55, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::I assume he means [http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/images/season_3/maxim_5.jpg this] but on that pic I can't really see it on the prinouts on the table. It does indeed look like the weapon's control room, though I can't recall the table there. The room can be seen very rarely. In the miniseries for example --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I can barely make it out. Though it isn't canon, unless we saw it on the show itself, or if someone from the show were to tell us that "yes, indeed, ''Galactica'' is a ''Galactica''-class battlestar". Then it's canon. However, by all means, we can certainly put something in the notes section regarding this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::That's definitely the weapons control section of CIC. If we can get a clearer shot, that will remove all doubt; it does look like "Galactica class" to me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:57, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Something for [[BW:OC]]? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:14, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::If I had access to a scanner I would provide a high-res image to examine; unfortunately, I am a relatively-poor college student (and how many aren't these days?) and the only scanner access I have is a public-use scanner in our bookstore. However, the image Mercifull provided is the one I indicated in my first post. In my copy of the issue, the text clearly reads "Galactica-class Battlestar". I know this is a minor detail among many in a show so richly layered by the writers and producers, but I wanted to make sure the Battlestar Wiki was as accurate as possible; I use the Wiki to enhance my experience of this incredible drama. Thank you all for your timely responses to my question. --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 11:39, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
I hate to dredge up an old topic, but here's some food for thought that might support the theory that ''Galactica'' is the class name. Now, we're told that Galactica herself represented Caprica, the de facto capital of the colonies. Surely it stands to reason that the first battlestar built would be the one to represent the primary colony- Galactica. I know this is fanwanking, but I just thought of it and figured I'd voice my idea. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:26, 5 November 2007 (CST)

== Actual class name? ==

I can purely speculate that the actual name of the original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis'', in honor of the wife of assassinated President [[Wikipedia:John F. Kennedy|John F. Kennedy]], [[Wikipedia:Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis|Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis]]. So, ''Galactica'' is considered as an ''Onassis''-class battlestar. The prototype of its class, battlestar ''Onassis'' is destroyed in the renewed [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] conflict. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 21:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::LMAO at this troll.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:11, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
:And there's ''nothing'' to back this up with? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 02:06, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:And how would Colonials know of the Kennedys? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 02:29, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::Because they got information from Earth about these Kennedys before the Cylon Holocaust. Years before the [[Cylon War]], the battlestar prototype, ''Onassis'', is constructed, then ''Galactica'' itself. Therefore, we presume this original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis''. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 04:20, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I am ''very'' confused. There would have to be some serious cite for that change. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 05:10, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

I think that Starkiller is being absurd to prove a point, but, like others, I'm missing it. As per our convention, pure speculation is disallowed here without official sources to back it up. Since the picture of two BSG actors on an official set using props that match others with information cited as official and used here for articles (navigation charts) which indicates that ''Galactica'' is the first of her class, we should continue on this thread. Otherwise, Starkiller's comment is patent nonsense given that BSG is deliberately set so we don't know if the events occur in real-world Earth's past, present, or future. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:13, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I've heard on several occasions that Galactica may be an "Atlantia-class" battlestar, but have found nothing to support this online. I've also heard that the original Galactica was a "Columbia-class". Is this true? If so, is it possible that the re-imagined Galactica is also a Columbia-class? I think this should head on over to [[BW:OC]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:46, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::"Columbia-class" is common fan fiction. "Atlantia" class would make little sense: why would the fleet admiral use a old battlestar as his flagship? His ship would be Mercury class or something better (and more advanced--it was destroyed like the other [[CNP]] ships). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:34, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Then why does Adama choose Galactica as his flaghsip, and not Pegasus? There's nothing said on-screen to suggest that the Galactica-type battlestars were NOT re-fitted with computer networks. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Besides, the Atlantia mentioned in the mini could easily have been Mercury-class, and the original may have been retired like the Big G was. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:54, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Commanders don't have to choose the best and biggest ship as their flagship as long as they can do their duty from another one. Don't know who but some guy in WWII chose a destroyer or maybe a battleship as his command post and not an aircraft carrier. As long as there are options, there is some personal choice involved.
::::And you're right about networks. The Mini gives the distinct impression that it was only Adama's doing that the Galactica
::::wasn't more automated -[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:08, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Yeah, Admiral Raymond Spruance chose the cruiser USS Indianapolis as his flagship when he had multiple carriers at his disposal. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:11, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::As shown in events during the second half of season 2, Adama doesn't likely trust ''Pegasus'' crew. To quote Adama: "I tend to go with what you know, until something better comes along." So the decision is logical; he trusts ''Galactica'' and her crew, thus he plants his flag there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:52, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::An corollary to Joe's comments: It is very likely that there is a long-standing (but fading) tradition to keep ''Galactica'' from being refitted, just as our USS Constitution was never refitted as a steamer, in keeping with her (supposed) significancy in Colonial war history. Besides, to ''revert'' any ship from new to old technology is just weird and very unlikely. There may have been fewer commanders willing to assume command of ''Galactica'' in this tradition, but Adama, a man who knew all too well of the problems of technology (and had served on her in the last part of the war), chose ''Galactica'' willingly, I figure. This is reinforced with the arrival of ''Pegasus''. He could've moved his new admiral flag there, but he hasn't. He prefers to go with what he knows until something better shows up. The old battlestar ''Galactica'', in Adama's mind, is still best. ''Pegasus'' survived more on luck than inherent design. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:30, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

==Role==

As with the Mercury-class article, I've amended the class role to [[Wikipedia:Battlecarrier|battlecarrier]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:37, 27 September 2006 (CDT)

:Madbrood, I can appreciate the use, but based on your link, I disagree. The term "battlestar" is a true carrier AND battleship in one, where the "battlecarrier" of our Earth is a rough amalgam that doesn't come close in size, fighter capacity, or firepower. Further, I wonder if we want to use complext Earth naval terms instead of what is given in the show to describe the ships using simple naval language. "Carrier/battleship" is less "smooth" than "battlecruiser", but is is also more accurate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:44, 27 September 2006 (CDT)
::I agree. Battlecruiser is a nice term, but it really doesn't fit Galactica. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:35, 28 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Fair enough. I just figured it sounded a bit more "military". --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:47, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

::::I know. I'd love to put up "big, frakkin' warship/carrier with guns, lots of guns," but "warship/carrier" may have to do. Keeping it simple. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:33, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar Redirect ==
Battlestar (RDM) currently redirects here. The only reason this concerned me was I was actually linking to a more generic use of the word ("Adama had been on an another battlestar before ''Galactica''). Back when "big G" was the only one we knew of, it defintely made sense. Now that we have "''Galactica'' type", "Mercury class", and "''Valkyrie'' type" I was wondering if maybe we needed a more generic article to sit at battlestar (RDM) describing the aircraft carrier/battleship capital ship concept in more general terms, with ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and ''Valkyrie'' being specific examples. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:45, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:That sounds good to me, a general article explaing what battlestars are, listing known ones, mentioning BSGs, missions, etc. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:30, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::Rather than that, why not redirect to the central [[Battlestar]] disambiguation? It already has listed all battlestars by show and type, and avoids extra work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:26, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:::'''That''' is exactly what I wanted to link to. I just automatically tagged an RDM on the end of it. I'll go change that link, but I agree that we should just change Battlestar (RDM) to point to Battlestar (work smarter not harder). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:57, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Hah, I'd forgotten about that page. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:23, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:40, 4 December 2006 (CST)

== Life Support ==

How exactly do Galactica's life support systems work? I know their recirculation units replenish oxygen and remove carbon dioxide, but does this oxygen come from tanks or is it recycled from somewhere? The ISS uses electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, so is is possible that Galactica-type ships do something similar to this?--[[User:Rapturous|Rapturous]] 13:52, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
: Other than the scrubbers, it's really never been explained. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:03, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
::Theoretically, they could have a big room full of plants somewhere in the ship. Plants 'breathe in' carbon dioxide and 'breathe out' oxygen, the opposite of what we do. However, you would need some kind of imitation sun then, because the chemical reaction I just described can only occur in sunlight. Other (artifical) means of converting CO<sub>2</sub> back to oxygen could also be used (scrubbers?), but like the plants they will also require energy to work. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:57, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Have you ever seen the film [[w:Sunshine (2007 film)|Sunshine]] Catrope?
:::http://www.sunshinedna.com/wp-images/2005/09/2109_06a.jpg
:::They used an oxygen garden in that to produce the breathable air :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:37, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Yep, I have. Spoilers for Sunshine follow: {{spoilli|In the scene where the ''Icarus II'' crew boards ''Icarus I'', you can see that her garden is still alive, because of the CO<sub>2</sub> <-> O<sub>2</sub> equilibrium between the plants and Captain Pinbacker who has lived there for seven years (having killed the rest of his crew).}} --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:58, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Perhaps tanks containing algae, submitted to given ranges of EM radiations? The idea of a garden is nice, but doesn't fit in the show, since no one ever walked in Galactica's garden. ;) That's why they needed Cloud 9. --[[User:Mister Oragahn|Mister Oragahn]] 01:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Galactica class pic to rear its head again ==

I ran across [http://acedmagazine.com/images/stories/battlestargalactica/battlestargalactica23.jpg this picture], which shows the "Galactica class battlestar" sheet again. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 12:21, 25 November 2007 (CST)
:Shall we [[BW:OC|ask Brad]] whether this is official or just something the props department made up? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:21, 26 November 2007 (CST)
:Maybe put it on a more prominent place in the article, but explain that such props aren't necessarily official or reliable. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 26 November 2007 (CST)

== Main Battery Numbers ==
I have noticed that there is some confusion on the number of these guns. In examining the the picture of the ventral side, I have noticed 12 guns. 8 are marked, while 4 (two starboard and two port) are partially concealed by the bottom of the bow. They are roughly between the forward four guns and the first four midships guns. --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 19:51, 13 January 2008 (CST)
:There are twelve marked (8+4). With another 4, that would make the original number of 24 correct (16 ventral + 8 dorsal). That's why being so pedantic about trivial stuff like ship armament is kinda annoying. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:27, 14 January 2008 (CST)

== Why the flight pods must be retracted ==

When Galactica made the jump that broke her spine, her flight pods were still out. It would seem that jumping with the pods extended on this class of ship causes undue structural strain. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 02:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
: This was never the real reason for the strain. Having the flight pods extended doesn't cause strain... the jump itself caused strain, particularly after the stress from ramming the Colony and from the previous wear and tear Galactica experienced over the four years. Starting from the nuke impacting on Galactica in the Mini, the stress of continually jumping away from the Colonies, the "Adama Maneuver" at New Caprica, the various engagements with the Cylons throughout the series, going through the star cluster, etc., etc. Tigh said way back in Season Three that it would take weeks of Galactica in drydock just to knock out the dents... and he wasn't joking. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, I know that. But jumping with the flight pods out (which has been thoroughly established to be a bad course of action for Galactica's class of battlestar) probably didn't help.
:::There are just too many circumstances that factored into ''Galactica'' breaking her back to make a clear argument for and against the flight pods being *the* main cause. Yes, in all the previous instances it has been said that ''Galactica'' couldn't (or couldn't afford) to jump with them extended. But Adama knew that this was her last mission, and just like Cain, coordinates or flight pods be damned, just jump or they're doomed just the same. BTW, the Raptors jumping inside the flight pod distrupted the structure, so it might very well have been impossible to retract at all.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 05:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::::If you consider that a FTL drive might be calibrated to make jumps based on a given volume, or mass, themselves possibly relative to the center of gravity of the ship, the physics of the FTL drives might put greater strain onto the ship's superstructure if jumping without retracting the pods. One could think the retraction is necessary because of power requirements as well. --[[User:Mister Oragahn|Mister Oragahn]] 01:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It is so obvious that the retracted flight pods increase the lateral structural integrity of the ship. Why else would they retract into the hull so completely?--[[User:ViperMkII|ViperMkII]] 16:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mass packets? ==

I've removed this from the article, since it wasn't specifically sourced, although the wording states that Adama specifically mentioned this in the miniseries. Either way, the note needs to be more clearly written and better sourced, definitely. Note follows:

*Unknown number of Mass Packet Launchers (Important Editors note: The mention of this weapons technology is clearly mentioned by Admiral [[William Adama]] during the miniseries but is never mentioned again after the galactica runs out of this ammunition).

-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class is probably an error ==

After [[User:Lonewriter|Lonewriter]]'s edit, I looked up the ''Jupiter''-class battlestar thing in the ''Science of BSG'' book. It is referred to there as ''Jupiter''-class, '''''however''''' I have a real problem with this because of the way the information is presented in the book:

: From page 250: 'In the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" we learn that ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar, while ''Pegasus'' is a much newer ''Mercury''-class.'

Now the problem with this is that in ''Pegasus'' (the extended edition where this scene pops up), we only learn that ''Pegasus'' is a ''Mercury''-class and that it is newer. Adama says nothing about ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. Now, they may have been referring to the script (I don't have access to the scripts, so I can't confirm that, however my recollection is that ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class was ''never'' mentioned), but scripts aren't necessarily canon. Particularly if this scene was later cut differently.

As this is the case, I've removed this. However, at the very least, we should re-add some mention of this back in since it is printed in an official book. Just it's not canon, since the primary source of that's referenced in the book ''does not'' support this assertion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 05:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

==Armaments==
Yea Galactica types post-refit did not have 40 large turrets. If you look at the picture of Gal next to two other ships of her class (on the main article) you can see that there are no turrets on the vental surface of the bow. There are 24 large guns along the dorsal surface of the ship for definate, and it is unclear if the 8 turrets on the main vental surface are there or not. As such at most the refit version would at most have 32 turrets not 40. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 11:05, 27 November 2012 (EST)

: I think it's too hard to say at this point until we see more of her during B&C. As for the bow guns, they're very hard to see even from an orthographic view
: http://i.imgur.com/IRpOw.jpg
: http://i.imgur.com/VQvgj.jpg

: Out of those two images only two guns are visible, and from a head on view. The Plan-esque screencap is from a slightly above perspective so I think the guns are most likely still there, just obscured. [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 04:39, 28 November 2012 (EST)

Mercury class battlestar

2012-11-27T10:51:13Z

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:''For the unnamed original class, to which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' belongs, see [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]].''
{{Ship Data|
|image= Pegasus High Res.jpg
| title= ''Mercury'' class battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown approx 2500 (Full crew)
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= 34 Primary [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]] (30 twin turrets, 4 fixed twin mounts) and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, Vipers, Raptors
| length= {{Feet2Meters|5872}}<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref>
| status= Final known ship of this class destroyed at the [[Battle of New Caprica]]
}}

'''''Mercury'' class battlestars''' are advanced Colonial capital warships/carriers of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], top-of-the-line vessels at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]

==Overview==
Introduced some years after the First [[Cylon War]], the structural design of the ''Mercury'' class differs significantly from the original ''Galactica'' type battlestar. The "neck" section is smaller, and the ''Mercury'' class features eight [[sublight]] engine pods instead of the older class's six. Its edges are more angular, and the hull is more completely armored (no exposed ribs). Each [[flight pod]] consists of two stacked landing bays with adjoined decks and hangars, which along with computer-assisted landings results in a faster Viper recovery rate. Each flight pod also has Raptor landing bays on the sides, allowing for rapid transfer of crew cargo when docked ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). These pods are fixed and do not retract when executing an [[FTL| FTL jump]] ([[TRS]]: "[[The Captain's Hand]]"), suggesting advances in jump systems. Inside, the class features automated sliding doorways, basic computer recognition stations in vital areas, and networked computer systems.

An example of this class, ''Pegasus'', carries a complement of 50 Raptors and 200 [[Viper Mark VII]] fighters (8 squadrons and two reserve squadrons color coded blue, red, green, yellow, orange, purple, black, white, and reserve squadrons gold and silver) <ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>.

[[Battery|Gun batteries]] on the ''Mercury'' class are distributed all over the ship ([[TRS]]: "[[The Captain's Hand]]"), with the greatest concentration of large turrets found along the side of the ship, within the valley created by the upper and lower halves of the hull, and along the flight pods. Four are mounted on the underside of the upper hull on the ship's bow, below which sits four non-turreted large guns; these form the main forward batteries. Six turrets are mounted on each underside of the alligator head, grouped in pairs. There are also three turrets on the side of each flight pod along two more turrets are mounted on the front and back of each flight pod. This amounts to a total of thirty-four main gun batteries. The turreted guns of the ''Mercury'' class have a higher rate of fire than ''Galactica's'' turreted guns when operating in flak mode, as demonstrated during a skirmish with [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon War-era raiders]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

The standard crew complement of a ''Mercury'' class battlestar is in excess of 2,500 ([[TRS]]: "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]," "[[Razor]]"), a small number for a ship its size made possible by [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series|computer]] automation.

The ''Mercury'' class battlestar has production facilities to build new [[Viper (RDM)|Viper Mark VIIs]] from basic resources ([[TRS]]: "[[Scar]]").

== See also ==
*[[Pegasus (TRS)|''Pegasus'']]

*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]
*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class battlestar]]

== Notes ==
[[Image:Pegasus-Comparison.png|right|thumb|Comparison of [[Battlestar (TOS)|original series battlestar]] and ''Mercury'' class]]
The shape of the ''Mercury'' class resembles the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] [[battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] more than the Re-imagined Series' ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Its engine pods number eight, compared to ''Galactica'''s six engine pods. The pods aboard the ''Mercury'' class battlestar appear more directly integrated with its rear section, and its flight pods share the original angular shape.

The visual effects artist of the re-imagined ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Jose A. Perez, has commented that, "The new design was somewhat of a cross between the look of the [[TOS|original-series]] [[battlestar (TOS)|battlestars]], and yet with elements of the [[Galactica (RDM)|new one]]. Aside from that, it has mostly hull plating (to absorb more damage), as opposed to the ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' which has more ribbing."
Mr. Perez also commented that, "The harder edges [ of the [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] ] were intentional as well, to match the interior style of the sets more."

<gallery>
Image:Pegasus01.jpg|Fore and below
Image:Pegasus_Hi-Res_1a.jpg|[[Viper (RDM)|Mark VII Vipers]] landing in port flight pod
Image:Pegasus_Hi-Res_5a.jpg|[[Kinetic Energy Weapon|Batteries]] along the flight pod
Image:Pegasus Rear Shot.png|Pegasus from the rear
</gallery>

==References==
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Osiris

2012-11-27T10:26:40Z

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{{Ship Data
| image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| co= Commander [[Ozar]]
| crew = 150 (minus pilots)
| ftl= Yes
| role= Battleship / Carrier hybrid
| weapons= multiple primary [[Battery|gun turrets]] and [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defence batteries]], nuclear warheads, [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= [[Battle of Djerba|Destroyed]], circa 42 BCH
}}

'''''Osiris''''' (0913) is an [[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class Battlestar]]<ref>Designation revealed on the ship's patch.</ref> in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], belonging to Battlestar Group 54, during the First [[Cylon War]]. It carries a typical crew complement of 150, not counting assigned [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] pilots.

==History==
''Osiris'' is generally believed to have been destroyed in an earlier engagement, when in fact it is part of a Colonial "ghost fleet" hiding in Cylon held space, along with the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'', and other vessels. It is tasked with a combat jump to the ice planet [[Djerba]], a former winter resort moon in [[Sector 12]]. When a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon basestar]] jumps in nearby, the ship demonstrates possible stealth characteristics that afford it a small window of opportunity to operate within enemy DRADIS range. The ship is eventually detected and [[Battle of Djerba|engaged by]] Cylon [[Raider_(RDM)#Cylon_War-era_Raider|Raiders]] and ship to ship missiles. ''Osiris'' takes heavy damage at the onset of the battle, which destroys its missile launch capabilities. Commander [[Ozar]] makes the decision to ram the ship into the basestar and manually detonate the on-board nuclear warheads instead. ''Osiris'' and the attacking basestar are instantly destroyed with the loss of all hands, minus [[Jim Kirby]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

==Crew==
*Commander [[Ozar]] - Commanding officer
*Lieutenant [[Decklan Elias]] - Viper pilot
*Lieutenant [[Jim Kirby|Jim "Sunshine" Kirby]] - Viper pilot
* Unnamed tactical officer played by [[Ty Olsson]]
* Unnamed [[Marine]] played by [[Leo Li Chiang]]

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Osiris 1.png|[[Raptor 909]] approaches ''Osiris''.
Image:Osiris 2.png|''Osiris'' among the "ghost fleet."
Image:Djerba 2.png|''Osiris'' approaching Djerba.
Image:Osiris 4.png|''Osiris'' point defense batteries.
Image:Osiris 3.png|''Osiris'' CIC.
File:Battlstar_Osiris_patch.png|''Osiris'' uniform patch.
Image:Osiris Firing Point Defense Guns.png|''Osiris'' fires its point defense cannons.
Image:Osiris Pummeled.png|''Osiris'' taking heavy damage from Cylon missile attacks.
Image:Osiris Loses An Engine.png|''Osiris'' loses an engine.
Image:Osiris Suicide Run.png|''Osiris'' maneuvering through flak and missiles on one engine. Even damaged, it is nimble.
Image:Osiris Crash.png|''Osiris'' crashes into a basestar...
Image:Osiris Final Resting Place.png|...comes to a stop...
Image:Osiris Nuke Detonation.png|...and triggers its nuclear warheads...
Image:Osiris BOOM.png|...taking the basestar with it.
</gallery>

== References ==
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Orion class battlestar

2012-11-27T10:24:03Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' class battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship, carrier, planetary defense
| weapons= At least 12 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]], 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defense batteries]], nuclear, missiles,
small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] and [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' class appears among the smaller ships in the Colonial Fleet, dwarfed even by the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, it is not considered a match for a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Cylon_War-era_basestars|Cylon basestar]].

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 12 primary gun turrets, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. Compared with a basestar, the Viper complement is outnumbered ten to one by Raiders.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Orion Profile.png|Profile of the ''Orion'' class ''Osiris''.
Image:Orion Size.png|Size comparison to a Cylon basestar.
</gallery>

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Orion class battlestar

2012-11-27T10:23:29Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' class battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship, carrier, planetary defense
| weapons= At least 12 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]], 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defense batteries]], nuclear, missiles,
small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] and [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' class appears among the smaller ships in the Colonial Fleet, dwarfed even by the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, it is not considered a match for a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Cylon_War-era_basestars|Cylon basestar]].

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 12 primary gun turrets, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. Compared with a basestar, the Viper complement is outnumbered ten to one by Raiders.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Orion Profile.png|Profile of the Orion Class ''Osiris''.
Image:Orion Size.png|Size comparison to a Cylon Basestar.
</gallery>

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Orion class battlestar

2012-11-27T10:14:51Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' class battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship; carrier; planetary defense
| weapons= At least 12 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]]; 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defense batteries]]; missile launch tubes; small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] complement; small [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' class appears among the smaller ships in the Colonial Fleet, dwarfed even by the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, it is not considered a match for a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Cylon_War-era_basestars|Cylon basestar]].

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 12 primary gun turrets, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. Compared with a basestar, the Viper complement is outnumbered ten to one by Raiders.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Orion Profile.png|Profile of the Orion Class ''Osiris''.
Image:Orion Size.png|Size comparison to a Cylon Basestar.
</gallery>

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Valkyrie type battlestar

2012-11-27T10:14:01Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Bsg-ambush fleet.jpg
| title= ''Valkyrie'' type battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= 20 small dual mounted turrets, 33 heavy dual turrets capable of firing missiles, Unknown number of point defense guns, at least 6 ship-to-ship missiles silos.<ref>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Misc/Backup/Galactica/New_BSG/Valkyrie/ValkyrieOrthoTopSide.jpg</ref><ref>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Misc/Backup/Galactica/New_BSG/Valkyrie/Valk_ends.jpg</ref><ref>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Misc/Backup/Galactica/New_BSG/Valkyrie/Valk_Bottom.jpg</ref>
| length=
| status= All ships [[Cylon attack|destroyed]]
}}

The '''''Valkyrie'' type [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed during the [[First Cylon War]]. This line of ships are still in service, and actively deployed over 40 years later, before the [[Cylon Attack|Fall of the Colonies]], and appear to make up a majority of the [[Colonial Fleet]].

== Design ==

The ''Valkyrie'' type is one of the smaller ships in service with the Colonial Fleet. Measuring around 700 meters long, it was about the length of the Flight pod on a [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]].

It featured four large sub-light engines, a number of smaller manoeuvring thrusters littered around the ship. In addition to this, it is presumed to have featured an FTL drive.

Physically it was far more "jagged" then other battlestar classes, with numerous sharp edges offset by numerous curved lines. The hull was covered with guns, missile launchers and sensors, giving it a sharp and streamlined but functional look. The class was far more compact then most others, with the pods closer to the main hull and the head being only a couple meters wider then the main hull. The underside of the ship showed much of the internal structures, and lacked significant weaponry, indicating that it was not designed to be exposed to fire in a battle.

Flight pods were single layered, each consisting of 3 [[Viper (TRS)|Viper]] launch tubes located in a rectangular section underneath the pod. The tubes ran parallel to the flight deck and pointing forwards. The launch tubes presumably operated in a different way to those on larger ships to allow a higher launch rate and may suggest a more offensively oriented approach to Viper launches. The tubes were also significantly longer. The ''Valkyrie'' type appeared to lack the Raptor pads seen on the [[Mercury Class Battlestar|''Mercury'' Class]], however, there were sections on either side near the tip of the head that may have served this purpose.

== Weaponry ==

The ''Valkyrie'' type has more weapons per square meter then any other class. Equipped with 20 small turrets, and 33 heavier (though much smaller then on other classes) ones, it has a huge number of guns. Presumably, there are an unknown number of point defense guns that would be located between the armor plating, much like the ''Mercury''-class. This class mostly relies on missiles weapons than other classes, with the large turrets capable of firing small anti-fighter missiles, and with at least 6 silos containing ship to ship missiles.

Size and disposition of a typical ''Valkyrie''-type's airwings is never stated, however in "[[The Plan]]" ''Valkyrie'' has at least 20 Vipers nearby. Yet, this is not evidence that this represents the full airwing.

== Capabilities ==

Although a small hull (at least when compared to ships like the ''Mercury'' Class or ''Galactica'' type) these ships were heavily used. It may have served in a role similar to frigates in modern navies as they are shown being used for a number of roles including patrols, covert operations and even planetary protection. The small size, mass production, and apparent range of abilities presumably meant that it was perfect for a peace time fleet, as they would be cheep, and would have a number of uses. It may have lacked the ability to produce Vipers unlike it's larger cousins.

== See also ==

*''[[Valkyrie]]''
*''[[Yashuman]]''
*[[Mercury Class Battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]

== Notes ==

*In "Razor," a few ''Valkyrie-''types can be seen at the Scoprion Fleet Shipyards with what would appear to be a roll bar above the engine section. This feature is not present during the Cylon attack on the shipyards, leading to speculation that the ships seen with the roll bar were in fact different to those seen without it. 

*The [[Science of Battlestar Galactica]] names two Battestars as being at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards during the attack. These ships, ''Bellerophon'' and ''Remses,'' are thus likely examples of this class.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Valkyrie B C.png|Some ''Valkyrie'' types hiding out in Cylon held space during the First Cylon War.
Image:Valkyrie close up.jpg|Closeup of a ''Valkyrie'' type battlestar.
Image:3x8-Valkyrie-Firing.jpg|''Valkyrie'' firing a ship-to-ship missile.
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie The Plan.png|''Valkyrie'' among her sister ships above Caprica.
Image:Valkyrie CNP Virus Transmission.png|''Valkyrie'' under attack.
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie CNP Hack.png|''Valkyrie'' after being disabled by the CNP's backdoors.
Image:Valkyrie-type battlestarII.jpg|A ''Valkyrie'' type battlestar destroyed over [[Scorpia]].
Image:ValykrieFlightPod.jpg|One of the ship's flight pods.
Image:Valkyrie batteries.jpg|The ship's batteries.
</gallery>

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Orion class battlestar

2012-11-27T10:13:03Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' class battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship; Carrier; Planetary defense
| weapons= At least 12 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]]; 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|Point defense batteries]]; Missile launch tubes; Small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] complement; Small [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' class appears among the smaller ships in the Colonial Fleet, dwarfed even by the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, it is not considered a match for a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Cylon_War-era_basestars|Cylon basestar]].

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 12 primary gun turrets, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. Compared with a basestar, the Viper complement is outnumbered ten to one by Raiders.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
Image:Orion Profile.png|Profile of the Orion Class ''Osiris''.
Image:Orion Size.png|Size comparison to a Cylon Basestar.
</gallery>

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'''''Galactica''''' is the name of a Colonial battlestar and is the central story locale in both ''Battlestar Galactica'' series.

* For the [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] in the [[Original Series]], see [[Galactica (TOS)]].
* For the battlestar in ''[[Galactica 1980]]'', see [[Galactica (1980)]].
* For the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]], see [[Galactica (TRS)]].
** For the museum aboard ''Galactica'', see: [[Galactica Museum]].
* For the battlestar class in the Re-imagined Series, see [[Galactica type battlestar]].
* For the battlestar from the [[2003 video game]], see [[Galactica (2003 Video Game)]].

* For other ships of this general type, see [[Battlestar]].

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:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of an aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this class remain in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]]; however, most were retired.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= All known ships [[Battle_of_the_colony#Aftermath|destroyed]]
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica'' in its original configuration ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while its defensive armaments ensure that it is fully capable of both protecting itself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and its sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]")]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|''Galactica'' in its Cylon War outfit (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 or 40+ depending on configuration ([[First Cylon War]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'')) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are rail guns ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to its scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== See also ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class battlestar]]
*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints for ''Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her.

== References ==
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:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of an aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this class remain in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]]; however, most were retired.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= All known ships [[Battle_of_the_colony#Aftermath|destroyed]]
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica'' in its original configuration ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while its defensive armaments ensure that it is fully capable of both protecting itself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and its sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]")]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|''Galactica'' in its Cylon War outfit (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 or 40+ depending on configuration ([[First Cylon War]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'')) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are rail guns ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to its scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== See also ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints for ''Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her.

== References ==
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[[fr:Battlestar de type Galactica]]

Galactica type battlestar

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:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of an aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this class remain in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]]; however, most were retired.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= All known ships [[Battle_of_the_colony#Aftermath|destroyed]]
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica'' in its original configuration ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while its defensive armaments ensure that it is fully capable of both protecting itself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and its sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
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=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
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==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]")]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|''Galactica'' in its Cylon War outfit (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 (Post-war Peace Time Refit) or 40+ ([[First Cylon War]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'')) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are rail guns ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to its scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== See also ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints for ''Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her.

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Viper Mark III

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{{Ship Data
| image=Viper-mark-III.png
| title= Viper Mk. III
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= No
| propol=
| crew= 1 pilot
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons=
| status=Decommissioned and presumed destroyed with most other colonial technology
| length=
| height=
| wingspan=
}}
The '''Viper Mark III''' is a fighter craft used by the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] in the latter part of the [[Cylon War]]. It is the successor of the [[Viper Mark II]] and the precursor to those craft used by the Fleet following the war, including the [[Viper Mark VII]].

During the tenth year of the Cylon War, the Mark III is relatively new, but Colonial vessels including the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'' and ''[[Osiris]]'' carry full complements.

Colonial Academy recruits practice combat skills in [[holoband]] simulations of the Viper Mark III (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

==Specifications==

The Viper Mark III features:

**an angular forward fuselage cross section
**a revised cockpit canopy featuring rounder edges
**more angular side intakes with intake ramps
**narrower thrust nozzles
**deletion of structures housing the rear undercarriage and reduction of the ventral fairing; all three landing struts retract directly into the main fuselage
**what may be two internal missile launchers on the underside
**control surfaces for maneuverability in atmosphere

== Notes ==

* The Viper Mark III's control stick appears to be a Logitech Wingman.

== Gallery ==

<gallery>
Image:Vipers in Hangar.jpg|Mk. III Vipers in a hotstack on ''Galactica''.
Image:Viper-mark-III2.png|Mk. III in atmospheric flight.
</gallery>

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Orion class battlestar

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' Class Battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship; Carrier; Planetary defense
| weapons= At least 12 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]]; 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|Point defense batteries]]; Missile launch tubes; Small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] complement; Small [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' class appears among the smaller ships in the Colonial Fleet, dwarfed even by the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, it is not considered a match for a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Cylon_War-era_basestars|Cylon basestar]].

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 9 main batteries, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. In a worse case scenario, the Viper compliment can easily be overtaken 10 to 1 by attacking Raiders. The loss of two Vipers is already enough for concern for the crews operating these ships.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica''-type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie''-type battlestar]]

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Basestar (TRS)

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:''This article is about the basestars as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

A '''basestar''' (known interchangeably as a "baseship") is the most prominent example of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] military presence. As the capital ship of the Cylons, the basestar appears in four forms in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

== Modern basestar ==
{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Modern basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Humanoid Cylon]]s, [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, [[Heavy Raider]]s
| width={{Meters2Feet|1030.69}}<ref>The following was posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available: "Width: 1030.69m Length: 856.1m (two arm side) + 1039.87m (single arm side) Height: 132.586m (Each Piece), 265.172m Total". Because of its ratio to the stated width, the overall length must have been measured on one of the three-arm pieces, meaning the full ship is slightly longer.</ref>
| height={{Meters2Feet|265.17}}
| img= Y}}
The modern basestars, seen some 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]], are approximately the same size as a Colonial battlestar but appear to be more technologically advanced <ref>The official SciFi.com website indicates that basestars "dwarf" a battlestar. However, aired information in season 3, which shows ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' in close proximity to a basestar, contradict SciFi.com's information.</ref>. The shape of the newer basestar reflects its name, with two Y-shaped hulls attached at their centers by a single pylon, the warship has a distinctive "star" shape.

They are equipped with a superior [[FTL|jump system]] and no visible means of [[sublight propulsion]], lacking any engine pods or nacelles, but remain capable of chasing down a battlestar ([[TRS]]: "[[Exodus, Part II]]"). They can rotate their upper and lower halves into a tandem-Y configuration for entry into a planetary atmosphere ([[TRS]]: "[[The Plan]]").<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAEmuwZY5Q From 1:49 to 2:04]</ref>

Basestars operate a fleet of small fighters, known as [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]], and are capable of deploying hundreds of these ships simultaneously (see [[#Related Imagery|Related Imagery]]). The enormous number of Raiders serves as a basestar's primary defense system.

Like the Raiders, the basestars are partially [[Cylon organic resin|organic]], which is particularly evident in their landing bays ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"). When severely damaged, they can sustain large, fleshy [[:image:Basestar Wound Closeup.png|"wounds"]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Faith]]"). Moreover, [[Natalie]] mentions that their damaged baseship can heal itself ([[TRS]]: "[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]").

The baseships possess several conventional rooms and hallways, which are sleek but generally bland. Lighting plays a large role in the aesthetics and some rooms are furnished with clearly human objects, such as beds and couches. Humanoid Cylons [[Projection|project different surroundings]] to navigate ship corridors more easily, and to provide them with an individually pleasing environment (such as a lush forest). Data and other functions (such as analyzing visual information) are handled within a liquid computer interface that resembles a stream of water flowing over a luminous glass surface. Cylons can [[Data-font|interact with the main computer by placing their hands in these basins]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").

===Command and Control===
[[Image:Basestarcontol_306_720p.png|thumb|left|Baseship control room ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").]]
A basestar is operated by many [[humanoid Cylon]]s. Up to [[Torn|all seven models]] of them issue commands for the basestar from a central command and control center. Consensus amongst models is the typical procedure, as such the process of deliberation and voting on decisions may cause the basestar to react more slowly than a battlestar's command and control in a [[CIC]].

A basestar's functions are managed by a partially [[Hybrid|humanoid Cylon]] incorporated into the ship, known as a [[Hybrid]]. The Hybrid, for all respects of identity and control, ''is'' the basestar. The ship is an extension of her body and she is the ship's mind. The Hybrid, despite its humanoid appearance, is not a considered a fellow humanoid Cylon and lacks voting power as other agents have in Cylon affairs.

A basestar has a [[datastream]], or computer network, which interfaces with the Hybrid and all aspects of the basestar's operation.

===Armaments===
[[Image:Basestar fires missiles, "He That Believeth In Me".jpg|thumb|left|Basestar launching missiles ([[TRS]]: "[[He That Believeth In Me]]").]]
A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles from 220 turret launchers mounted throughout the arms and central axis <ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery Season 3 (Collaborators) and onward]</ref><ref>[http://darthmojo.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/baseship_wallpaper.jpg]</ref><ref>[http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/a/a3/Basestar_Weapon_Mod.JPG An image of one y structure. Two make up a basestar.]</ref> that pivot to allow the basestar to fire in any direction<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are usually carried out before Raider deployment. One example of a Cylon nuclear attack involved three Cylon basestars that [[Battle of the Binary Star System|ambush]] the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]''. They open their attack firing several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and switching to a non-nuclear salvo ([[TRS]]: "[[The Captain's Hand]]").

A basestar's complement of Raiders is estimated as high as 792 fighters<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>, not counting fighters in repair or otherwise off-line. It should be noted that there are a total of 864 Raider launch slots on the arms of a pre-retconned Basestar. <ref>[http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kg_cg_ns_basestar-067.jpg multiply total by two]</ref> In comparison, the retconned Basestar has only 434 Raider launch slots, a dramatic decrease from the previous version.<ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=149903 larger section, multiply by 2: 5 rows of 17 slots, and 2 rows of 7 slots]</ref><ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=131194 smaller section, multiply by 4: 59 total slots]</ref>

This tactic, along with the massive numbers of Raiders that a basestar can unleash, suggest a reliance on overwhelming force to destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars use nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet (TRS)|Colonial Fleet]] (using their [[CNP]] back-doors to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of the battlestars ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense. Since a basestar does not appear to have point-defense batteries, or heavy armoring<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 57.</ref>, it seems quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat when fighter support is not prominent ([[TRS]]: "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]"). From this, it can be theorized that basestars are designed primarily as carriers for the massive fleet of Raiders they carry, rather than as a front-line main battleship. Their reliance on long-distance attacks with missiles and their complement of Raiders, as well as their overall fragility seem to support this.

It would also appear that basestars possess an automated self-destruct system that triggers in the event that no living Cylons remain aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").

== Rebel basestar ==
{{Ship Data
| image= Rebellen Basisstern.jpg
| title= Rebel basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Humanoid Cylon]]s, [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, [[Heavy Raider]]s, at least 3 Raiders
| status= Somewhere in space under the command of freed Centurions
| img=
}} {{mainarticle|Rebel basestar}}

This basestar belonged to the rebel Cylon faction comprising of all [[Number Two|Two]], [[Number Six|Six]] and [[Number Eight|Eight]] models apart from [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], as well as the last remaining [[Number Three|Three]] copy later on. The basestar recieved serious damaged after the other three models attempted to wipe out and destroyed all but this basestar ([[TRS]]: "[[The Ties That Bind]]").

The basestar was later found by the ''[[Demetrius]]'' and its crew, who had been searching for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. They return to [[The Fleet (TRS)|the fleet]] with the basestar, where the Colonials and the Rebel Cylons form an unsteady alliance to destroy the [[Resurrection Hub]], and hence destroy the Cylons' ability to [[resurrection|resurrect]]. However, the basestar becomes the only ship to make it there, after the [[Hybrid]] jumps without ''Galactica''. Against all odds, the baseship manages to destroy the Hub with the help of the humans in the ship, as well as retreive the last Three copy ([[TRS]]: "[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]", "[[The Hub]]").

After a brief standoff, the Cylons join the fleet in the final jump to Earth, only to find it in ruins. The basestar is later invited to join the fleet to find a new home afterwards ([[TRS]]: "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]").

Over time, the ship is integrated into the fleet, getting its own representation in the new Quorum of Ship's Captains and flying joint fighter CAPs with ''Galactica''. Upon Admiral Adama's decision to abandon the battlestar, it is decided that the baseship would become the new flagship under Adama's command, since it is the only other warship remaining in the fleet.

When ''Galactica'' heads off to the Colony to rescue Hera, the baseship is left under the command of Admiral Hoshi to await ''Galactica'''s return. It later jumps to New Earth along with the rest of the fleet, where the Cylons turn control of the ship to the Centurions, allowing them to seek their own destiny as the human models settle on Earth with the rest of humanity.

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=== Notes ===
*Beginning with the episode "[[Collaborators]]", a [[:Image:Change.jpg|new exterior design]] is used for the basestars, bearing a sharper, more mechanical look than they previously had. This was apparently an upgrade by the visual effects crew to make the exterior reflect the interior design, which is seen for the first time in that episode.
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== Cylon War-era basestars ==

The Cylons had deployed three different variants of Basestars during the First [[Cylon War]].

=== First Variant ===
{{Ship Data
| image=Tauron.png
| title= Basestar, 1st variant
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Presumed
| crew= [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]
| img= Y
}}

The basestars in service during the 12-year Cylon War consisted of two flattened cones connected at the center by a thick pylon, giving them a conical saucer-like appearance<ref>This basestar design seen in the [[Miniseries]] and later in "[[Razor]]" is an obvious homage to the [[Basestar (TOS)|basestar]] seen in the [[Original Series]]. However, its weaponry (if not also its [[Imperious Leader|command structure]]) is markedly different than its 1978 counterpart per the "realistic" goals of [[Ron Moore]]'s essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]] in ''Battlestar''.</ref> ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

Much like its modern counterpart, this model utilized chemically-propelled missiles (with both nuclear and conventional warheads) as the main form of offensive weaponry. Raiders were deployed from access points (totaling 8 in number) throughout a basestar's hull to provide defense. This design, as with later iterations, was capable of operating within an atmosphere (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

During [[Operation Raptor Talon]], the battlestar ''[[Columbia (TRS)|Columbia]]'' was destroyed by basestar missiles and Raider attacks as ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'' and another unnamed battlestar pressed their assaults.

The origins of the initial basestars are unclear. However, as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons were a creation of man]] in the early days before the war, it is probable that man himself (through the efforts of various [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|colonies]]) designed the various ships and weapons used by the Cylons for the use in intra-colonial wars prior to the [[Articles of Colonization]].

A model of this basestar design is displayed over 40 years later on ''Galactica'', as part of its [[Galactica Museum|planned museum]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries, Night 1]]").

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=== Second Variant ===
{{Ship Data
| image=Blood and Chrome Basestar.png
| title= Basestar, 2nd variant
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown, presumably [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, kinetic energy weapons, [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]
| img= Y
}}

A second variant Basestar was deployed by Cylon forces sometime before the 10th year of the War. This class represents a small evolutionary step from the 1st variant to the Guardian Basestar, suggesting it wasn't a one-off design. This line of Basestars can then be linked to the modern design seen after the fall of the Colonies.

This configuration features two y-shaped hulls in tandem alignment, with a 1st variant-like top and bottom hull ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

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=== Third "Guardian" Variant ===
{{Ship Data
| image= guardian_basestar.jpg
| title= Guardian basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]], [[first Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= 36 twin missile tube mountings <ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=sc&cat=187&sort_key=caption&order_key=ASC&prune_key=*&st=4384 Images are in the middle of the page and clearly show missle launchers.]</ref>, First Cylon War-era Raiders
| status= Destroyed
}} {{mainarticle|Guardian basestar}}
Towards the end of the first Cylon War, the Cylons built a prototype basestar that had roughly the same shape as the modern basestar. The [[First Hybrid|first hybrids]] were developed for use with this model.

It is explained by [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] that a group of Centurions calling themselves [[Guardians]] fractured from the Cylon majority with such a basestar. The belief is that they escaped to the far reaches of space to avoid being shut-down in favor of their modernized, non-sentient [[Cylon Centurion|successors]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). The only basestar of this type known to exist was destroyed by Colonial forces shortly after its discovery.
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== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Basestar 3.png|A first variant Basestar hovering over Caprica City.
Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|[[Operation Raptor Talon]] at the end of the first Cylon War ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

Image:Basestar 1.png|A second variant Basestar over the ice moon [[Djerba]].
Image:Basestar 2.png|A second variant Basestar launches Raiders.

Image:Gardian basestar.jpg|A third "Guardian" variant taking off from an [[ice planet]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

Image:Baseship, hornet nest.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]").
Image:Baseships over Caprica.jpg|Trio of basestars over Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]").
Image:Dyingbasestar_306_720p.png|A basestar infected by a deadly [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").
Image:Basestar Interior 1.jpg|Baltar and a Three in a room on a basestar ([[TRS]]: "Torn").
Image:Basestar Interior 2.jpg|Baltar and a Three in a corridor ([[TRS]]: "[[The Passage]]").
Image:Basestar Interior 3.jpg|A basestar's hangar bay ([[TRS]]: "Torn").
Image:Cylon membrane hatch.jpg|A membrane covers a mechanical-looking hatch of a Cylon docking slip ([[TRS]]: "[[Faith]]").
Image:Basestars Atmospheric Entry Configuration.png|Tandem "Y" formation assumed for atmospheric entries as seen in "[[The Plan]]".
Image:Basestars Entering Caprica Atmosphere.png|Another view of tandem "Y".
Image:Basestar Missle Launchers The Plan.jpg|Basestar Weaponary.
Image:Closeup Basestar Missle Launcher.png|Closeup of missle launcher with MIRV mounted.
Image:Retconned Basestar Raider Bays.png|Detail of primary raider bays. There are two per ship.
Image:Cylon Basestar Secondary Raider Bay.png|Detail of the secondary raider bays. There are four per ship.
Image:Rebel Basestar Arm Closeup.png|Arm detail.
Image:New Cylon Basestar Zoic Style Shot.png|Angle shot.
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Osiris

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{{Ship Data
| image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| co= Commander [[Ozar]]
| crew = 150 (minus pilots)
| ftl= Yes
| role= Battleship / Carrier hybrid
| weapons= multiple primary [[Battery|gun turrets]] and [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defence batteries]], nuclear warheads, [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= [[Battle of Djerba|Destroyed]]
}}

'''''Osiris''''' (0913) is an [[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class Battlestar]]<ref>Designation revealed on the ship's patch.</ref> in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], belonging to Battlestar Group 54, during the First [[Cylon War]]. She carries a typical crew complement of 150, not counting assigned Viper pilots.

''Osiris'' is generally believed to have been destroyed in an earlier engagement, when in fact it is part of a Colonial "ghost fleet" hiding in Cylon held space, along with the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'', and other vessels. It is tasked with a combat jump to the ice planet [[Djerba]], a former winter resort moon in [[Sector 12]]. When a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon basestar]] jumps in nearby, the ship demonstrates possible stealth characteristics that afford it a small window of opportunity to operate within enemy DRADIS range. The ship is eventually detected and [[Battle of Djerba|engaged by]] Cylon [[Raider_(RDM)#Cylon_War-era_Raider|Raiders]] and ship to ship missiles (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage at the onset of the battle, which destroys her missile launch capabilities. Commander Ozar makes the decision to ram the ship into the basestar and manually detonate the on-board nuclear warheads instead. ''Osiris'' and the attacking basestar are instantly destroyed with the loss of all hands, minus [[Jim Kirby]].

== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Osiris 1.png|[[Raptor 909]] approaches ''Osiris''.
Image:Osiris 2.png|''Osiris'' among the "ghost fleet."
Image:Djerba 2.png|''Osiris'' approaching Djerba.
Image:Osiris 4.png|''Osiris's'' point defence batteries.
Image:Osiris 3.png|''Osiris's'' CIC.
File:Battlstar_Osiris_patch.png|''Osiris'' uniform patch.
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Osiris

2012-11-23T18:05:40Z

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{{Ship Data
| image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| co= Commander [[Ozar]]
| crew = 150 (minus pilots)
| ftl= Yes
| role= Battleship / Carrier hybrid
| weapons= multiple primary [[Battery|gun turrets]] and [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defence batteries]], nuclear warheads, [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= [[Battle of Djerba|Destroyed]]
}}

'''''Osiris''''' (0913) is an [[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class Battlestar]]<ref>Designation revealed on the ship's patch.</ref> in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], belonging to Battlestar Group 54, during the First [[Cylon War]]. She carries a typical crew compliment of 150, not counting assigned Viper pilots.

''Osiris'' is generally believed to have been destroyed in an earlier engagement, when in fact it is part of a Colonial "ghost fleet" hiding in Cylon held space, along with the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'', and other vessels. It is tasked with a combat jump to the ice planet [[Djerba]], a former winter resort moon in [[Sector 12]]. When a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon basestar]] jumps in nearby, the ship demonstrates possible stealth characteristics that afford it a small window of opportunity to operate within enemy DRADIS range. The ship is eventually detected and [[Battle of Djerba|engaged by]] Cylon [[Raider_(RDM)#Cylon_War-era_Raider|Raiders]] and ship to ship missiles (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage at the onset of the battle, which destroys her missile launch capabilities. Commander Ozar makes the decision to ram the ship into the basestar and manually detonate the on-board nuclear warheads instead. ''Osiris'' and the attacking basestar are instantly destroyed with the loss of all hands, minus [[Jim Kirby]].

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Osiris 1.png|[[Raptor 909]] approaches ''Osiris''.
Image:Osiris 2.png|''Osiris'' among the "ghost fleet."
Image:Djerba 2.png|''Osiris'' approaching Djerba.
Image:Osiris 4.png|''Osiris's'' point defence batteries.
Image:Osiris 3.png|''Osiris's'' CIC.
File:Battlstar_Osiris_patch.png|''Osiris'' uniform patch.
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Talk:Battle of Djerba/Archive 1

2012-11-23T18:04:45Z

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[[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]], thanks for fixing my spelling errors. Heh. -- [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]
: No problem, grammar/spelling edits are the only contributions I'm any good at :p [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 13:04, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Orion class battlestar

2012-11-23T18:03:48Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' Class Battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship; Carrier; Planetary defense
| weapons= At least 9 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]]; 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|Point defense batteries]]; Missile launch tubes; Small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] complement; Small [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' class appears among the smaller ships in the Colonial Fleet, dwarfed even by the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, it is not considered a match for a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Cylon_War-era_basestars|Cylon basestar]].

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 9 main batteries, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. In a worse case scenario, the Viper compliment can easily be overtaken 10 to 1 by attacking Raiders. The loss of two Vipers is already enough for concern for the crews operating these ships.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica''-type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie''-type battlestar]]

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Orion class battlestar

2012-11-23T18:02:51Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' Class Battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship; Carrier; Planetary defense
| weapons= At least 9 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]]; 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|Point defense batteries]]; Missile launch tubes; Small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] complement; Small [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' Class appears to be the smallest ship in the Colonial Fleet, even dwarfing the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, it is not considered a match for a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Cylon_War-era_basestars|Cylon basestar]].

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 9 main batteries, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. In a worse case scenario, the Viper compliment can easily be overtaken 10 to 1 by attacking Raiders. The loss of two Vipers is already enough for concern for the crews operating these ships.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica''-type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie''-type battlestar]]

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Orion class battlestar

2012-11-23T17:59:13Z

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{{Ship Data|
|image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| title= ''Orion'' Class Battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= 150, minus pilot complement
| role= Battleship; Carrier; Planetary defense
| weapons= At least 9 primary [[Battery|gun turrets]]; 32 [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|Point defense batteries]]; Missile launch tubes; Small [[Viper Mark III|Viper]] complement; Small [[Raptor|Raptor]] complement
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}

The '''''Orion'' class [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed sometime before or during the First [[Cylon War]]. The ''Orion'' Class appears to be the smallest ship in the Colonial Fleet, even dwarfing the ''[[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie]]'' type.

When compared to her larger counterparts, this class is generally more maneuverable, however, is weaker in battle with a Cylon baseship when standing on their own.

== Design ==

''Orion'' class battlestars feature a unique reflective metallic hull which acts as an inhibitor to Cylon DRADIS, and can operate in "stealth mode" within detection range for a short period without being seen.

It featured four large sub-light engines, two of which are attached in separate housings off the main hull, and numerous RCS thrusters at key points.

Further, they also unique in that it features a large conning tower at the top of the ship, and a large dual antenna array on the back underside of the ship, taking away from the usual streamlined look of Colonial vessels. This possibly also prevents ships of this class from operating intra-atmosphere.

The underside of the ship houses numerous, large landing bays, and Viper launch tubes, housing a small contingent of Vipers, Raptors, and their pilots.

== Weaponry ==

Ships of this class are moderately armed, with at least 32 point defense batteries, 9 main batteries, multiple missile launch tubes, along with a handful Vipers and Raptors. Despite this, they are generally unable to stand alone in battle and are easily overwhelmed by the larger Cylon capital ships. In a worse case scenario, the Viper compliment can easily be overtaken 10 to 1 by attacking Raiders. The loss of two Vipers is already enough for concern for the crews operating these ships.

This class appears to feature little defensive armor, possibly a trade-off for the stealth capabilities of the reflective hull, and are easily penetrated by Cylon missile barrages.

== Capabilities ==

The full capabilities of this class are unknown, but appear to be similar to that of a frigate. They are capable of conducting covert operations behind enemy lines, and general planetary defense in coordination with their assigned Battlestar Group.

== See also ==

*''[[Osiris]]''

*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica''-type battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie''-type battlestar]]

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Battle of Djerba

2012-11-23T15:41:28Z

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{{Battle Data
|image= Battle 1.png
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|10th Year]] of the [[Cylon War]]. Approximately 42 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
|place=[[Sector 12]]
|result= Pyrrhic Colonial victory
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[Ozar]] †
|co2=Unspecified
|strength1= Battlestar ''[[Osiris]]''
|strength2= [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon Basestar]]
|shiploss1= Battlestar ''Osiris''; Viper complement
|shiploss2= Cylon Basestar; Raider complement
|casualties1= ''Osiris'' crew; Viper pilots
|casualties2= Basestar crew
|prev=[[Battle of Sector 12]]
|next=Eventually [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
|series=RDM
}}
The '''Battle of Djerba''' was an engagement that took place in the 10th year of the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]. This battle was fought in orbit, and planet side as the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' and her Viper escorts deliver [[Beka Kelly]] to her rendezvous.

==Battle==

===Orbital Engagement===

The Battle of Djerba took place after a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jumped into [[DRADIS]] range of ''[[Osiris]]'' while in orbit of [[Djerba]]. ''Osiris'' was on assignment to drop off Dr. [[Beka Kelly]] to rendezvous with a spec ops marine recon team, that had previously been dispatched to the moon. ''Osiris'' has time to retreat and jump back, but Commander Ozar makes the decision to engage the basestar, to draw the Cylons away from the landing party.

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage immediately, which destroys the missile bays holding the ships nuclear stockpile, preventing the crew from launching the warheads at the basestar. The next hit on ''Osiris'' completely destroys her starboard engine nacelle, sealing her destruction. Rather than let the ship be destroyed in vain, she orders the ship to ram the basestar, after which, she manually detonates the nuclear warheads, destroying both ships, with the loss of all hands.

===Planetside===

After launching, the Cylons detect the Raptor crew's descent into the planet, and quickly follow. Engaged by three Raiders, the descent party are forced to defend themselves, but are quickly overwhelmed. Elias is shot down by a pursuing Raider, and both [[Jim Kirby]] and the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' take damage. After taking damage, Kirby apologizes to Coker, and and abandons the Raptor to head home. The pursuing Raider lets him go, and takes after the Raptor, but [[William Adama]] sees an opportunity to think outside the box, and lets the Raider get in close. Dumping fuel on him, Adama uses the afterburners to light the Raider on fire, which causes the Raider to crash into the ice field below. Soon after, Adama loses control of the Raptor requiring a crash landing into the ice, disabling the Raptor.

== Aftermath ==

After abandoning the Raptor, Adama, Coker, and Beka are able to locate the Marine spec ops team inside a cave, however they were killed by an unknown Cylon creation some time beforehand. After locating surviving Marines, the party takes off for their next way point.

It is unknown what happens to Jim Kirby.

== Notes ==

*Shortly before ramming the basestar, Ozar utters the line "Brace for contact, my friend.", this is a reference to a line in the [[Miniseries, Night 1|miniseries]] shortly before ''Galactica'' is struck by a nuclear missile.

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:''This article lists seen, but unnamed [[battlestar]]s and their support ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Reimagined Series]].''

== ''Galactica'' type ==

During the First [[Cylon War]], ''Galactica'' and two unnamed Battlestars are seen with their Viper escorts over one of the Colonies ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

An unnamed ''Galactica'' type Battlestar is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another unnamed ''Galactica'' type is seen participating in [[Operation Raptor Talon]], in cooperation with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' ("[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

At least two ''Galactica'' type Battlestars are moored at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] at the time of the surprise attack against the Colonies. They are sitting ducks, and are quickly destroyed by Cylon forces ("[[Razor]]"). <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=690</ref> <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=691</ref>

Another ''Galactica'' type is seen wrecked above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after the renewed Cylon attacks ("[[Miniseries]]").

<gallery>
Image:15.jpg|Three ''Galactica'' type Battlestars over one of the Colonies.
Image:Destroyed Battlestar Mini.JPG|A destroyed ''Galactica'' type battlestar near Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]").
Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|''Columbia'', ''Galactica'' and one unnamed battlestar over an [[ice planet]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").
Image:ScorpionFleetShipyards1.jpg|Docked at the shipyards over Scorpia (upper right) ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
</gallery>

== ''Valkyrie'' type ==

At least four unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type Battlestars are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least four Battlestars of ''[[Valkyrie]]'''s design are also docked at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards and destroyed by the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

One unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type is seen taking formation alongside the Battlestars ''[[Yashuman]]'' and ''[[Valkyrie]]'' in the opening moments of the renewed Cylon attacks against the Colonies, and is destroyed above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after ("[[The Plan]]").

<gallery>
Image:Valkyrie-type battlestar.jpg|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar destroyed in its berth ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie The Plan.png|''Valkyrie'', ''Yashuman'', and a third ''Valkyrie'' type prepare for Cylon attack ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie B C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Berzerk"'' type ==

At least three ''"Berzerk"'' type<ref>Based on an original design by [[Eric Chu]], the version seen in "Razor" was created by Charles Oines of [http://www.irrationaldesigns.com/index.html Irrational Designs]. While not [[canon]]ical, Oines's artwork designates the vessel as a "Berzerk-class". His web site has full renderings of the ship.</ref> cruisers are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another ship of this class, is docked next to ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' during the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

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Image:Pegasus, Scorpion Shipyards.jpg|Docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie_B_C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Defender"'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Wedge-shaped vessel}}

An unnamed ship of this class is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least two ships of this class are converted for civilian use, and escape the Colonies with the Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[TRS]]).

<gallery>
Image:Unknown Wedge Vessel.jpg|A ''"Defender"'' type is seen fleeing [[New Caprica]] after being discovered by a Cylon fleet ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").
Image:Wedge.PNG|Seen with the Fleet just before ''[[Galactica]]'' jumps away to the Cylon Colony ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Seen (bottom left) hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''Loki'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Loki}}

There are at least three ships of this class, including the ''Loki'' hiding out in Cylon held space near [[Sector 12]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

There is at least two of these ships flying formation with ''Galactica'' when [[William Adama]] is brought aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

<gallery>
Image:Loki.png|Fore section of the ''Loki'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Two ''Loki'' type heavy cruisers hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Loki Engines.png|Aft section of the ''Loki'', featuring an engine pod ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Catamaran"'' type ==

There are at least 2 ship of this class<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Two more vessels of this class are also seen with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' battle group when [[William Adama]] transfers aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

<gallery>
Image:Battlestar Galactica - Blood And Chrome Appearence.png|The ''"Catamaran"'' type can be seen above and below the ''Galactica'', with a ''Loki'' type in the background.
Image:Catamaran.png|The underside of the "'Catamaran'" type. They appear similar in design to the Orion class.
</gallery>

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

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Battle of Djerba

2012-11-23T15:29:52Z

YIIMM: /* Notes */

{{Battle Data
|image= Battle 1.png
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|10th Year]] of the [[Cylon War]]. Approximately 42 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
|place=[[Sector 12]]
|result= Pyrrhic Colonial victory
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[Ozar]]
|co2=Unspecified
|strength1= Battlestar ''[[Osiris]]''
|strength2= [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon Basestar]]
|shiploss1= Battlestar ''Osiris''; Viper complement
|shiploss2= Cylon Basestar; Raider complement
|casualties1= ''Osiris'' crew; Viper pilots
|casualties2= Basestar crew
|prev=[[Battle of Sector 12]]
|next=Eventually [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
|series=RDM
}}
The '''Battle of Djerba''' was an engagement that took place in the 10th year of the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]. This battle was fought in orbit, and planet side as the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' and her Viper escorts deliver [[Beka Kelly]] to her rendezvous.

==Battle==

===Orbital Engagement===

The Battle of Djerba took place after a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jumped into [[DRADIS]] range of ''[[Osiris]]'' while in orbit of [[Djerba]]. ''Osiris'' was on assignment to drop off Dr. [[Beka Kelly]] to rendezvous with a spec ops marine recon team, that had previously been dispatched to the moon. ''Osiris'' has time to retreat and jump back, but Commander Ozar makes the decision to engage the basestar, to draw the Cylons away from the landing party.

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage immediately, which destroys the missile bays holding the ships nuclear stockpile, preventing the crew from launching the warheads at the basestar. The next hit on ''Osiris'' completely destroys her starboard engine nacelle, sealing her destruction. Rather than let the ship be destroyed in vain, she orders the ship to ram the basestar, after which, she manually detonates the nuclear warheads, destroying both ships, with the loss of all hands.

===Planetside===

After launching, the Cylons detect the Raptor crew's descent into the planet, and quickly follow. Engaged by three Raiders, the descent party are forced to defend themselves, but are quickly overwhelmed. Elias is shot down by a pursuing Raider, and both [[Jim Kirby]] and the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' take damage. After taking damage, Kirby apologizes to Coker, and and abandons the Raptor to head home. The pursuing Raider lets him go, and takes after the Raptor, but [[William Adama]] sees an opportunity to think outside the box, and lets the Raider get in close. Dumping fuel on him, Adama uses the afterburners to light the Raider on fire, which causes the Raider to crash into the ice field below. Soon after, Adama loses control of the Raptor requiring a crash landing into the ice, disabling the Raptor.

== Aftermath ==

After abandoning the Raptor, Adama, Coker, and Beka are able to locate the Marine spec ops team inside a cave, however they were killed by an unknown Cylon creation some time beforehand. After locating surviving Marines, the party takes off for their next way point.

It is unknown what happens to Jim Kirby.

== Notes ==

*Shortly before ramming the basestar, Ozar utters the line "Brace for contact, my friend.", this is a reference to a line in the [[Miniseries, Night 1|miniseries]] shortly before ''Galactica'' is struck by a nuclear missile.

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Battle of Djerba

2012-11-23T15:29:27Z

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{{Battle Data
|image= Battle 1.png
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|10th Year]] of the [[Cylon War]]. Approximately 42 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
|place=[[Sector 12]]
|result= Pyrrhic Colonial victory
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[Ozar]]
|co2=Unspecified
|strength1= Battlestar ''[[Osiris]]''
|strength2= [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon Basestar]]
|shiploss1= Battlestar ''Osiris''; Viper complement
|shiploss2= Cylon Basestar; Raider complement
|casualties1= ''Osiris'' crew; Viper pilots
|casualties2= Basestar crew
|prev=[[Battle of Sector 12]]
|next=Eventually [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
|series=RDM
}}
The '''Battle of Djerba''' was an engagement that took place in the 10th year of the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]. This battle was fought in orbit, and planet side as the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' and her Viper escorts deliver [[Beka Kelly]] to her rendezvous.

==Battle==

===Orbital Engagement===

The Battle of Djerba took place after a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jumped into [[DRADIS]] range of ''[[Osiris]]'' while in orbit of [[Djerba]]. ''Osiris'' was on assignment to drop off Dr. [[Beka Kelly]] to rendezvous with a spec ops marine recon team, that had previously been dispatched to the moon. ''Osiris'' has time to retreat and jump back, but Commander Ozar makes the decision to engage the basestar, to draw the Cylons away from the landing party.

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage immediately, which destroys the missile bays holding the ships nuclear stockpile, preventing the crew from launching the warheads at the basestar. The next hit on ''Osiris'' completely destroys her starboard engine nacelle, sealing her destruction. Rather than let the ship be destroyed in vain, she orders the ship to ram the basestar, after which, she manually detonates the nuclear warheads, destroying both ships, with the loss of all hands.

===Planetside===

After launching, the Cylons detect the Raptor crew's descent into the planet, and quickly follow. Engaged by three Raiders, the descent party are forced to defend themselves, but are quickly overwhelmed. Elias is shot down by a pursuing Raider, and both [[Jim Kirby]] and the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' take damage. After taking damage, Kirby apologizes to Coker, and and abandons the Raptor to head home. The pursuing Raider lets him go, and takes after the Raptor, but [[William Adama]] sees an opportunity to think outside the box, and lets the Raider get in close. Dumping fuel on him, Adama uses the afterburners to light the Raider on fire, which causes the Raider to crash into the ice field below. Soon after, Adama loses control of the Raptor requiring a crash landing into the ice, disabling the Raptor.

== Aftermath ==

After abandoning the Raptor, Adama, Coker, and Beka are able to locate the Marine spec ops team inside a cave, however they were killed by an unknown Cylon creation some time beforehand. After locating surviving Marines, the party takes off for their next way point.

It is unknown what happens to Jim Kirby.

== Notes ==

Shortly before ramming the basestar, Ozar utters the line "Brace for contact, my friend.", this is a reference to a line in the [[Miniseries, Night 1|miniseries]] shortly before ''Galactica'' is struck by a nuclear missile.

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Battle of Djerba

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{{Battle Data
|image= Battle 1.png
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|10th Year]] of the [[Cylon War]]. Approximately 42 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
|place=[[Sector 12]]
|result= Pyrrhic Colonial victory
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander [[Ozar]]
|co2=Unspecified
|strength1= Battlestar ''[[Osiris]]''
|strength2= [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon Basestar]]
|shiploss1= Battlestar ''Osiris''; Viper complement
|shiploss2= Cylon Basestar; Raider complement
|casualties1= ''Osiris'' crew; Viper pilots
|casualties2= Basestar crew
|prev=[[Battle of Sector 12]]
|next=Eventually [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
|series=RDM
}}
The '''Battle of Djerba''' was an engagement that took place in the 10th year of the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]. This battle was fought in orbit, and planet side as the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' and her Viper escorts deliver [[Beka Kelly]] to her rendezvous.

==Battle==

===Orbital Engagement===

The Battle of Djerba took place after a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jumped into [[DRADIS]] range of ''[[Osiris]]'' while in orbit of [[Djerba]]. ''Osiris'' was on assignment to drop off Dr. [[Beka Kelly]] to rendezvous with a spec ops marine recon team, that had previously been dispatched to the moon. ''Osiris'' has time to retreat and jump back, but Commander Ozar makes the decision to engage the basestar, to draw the Cylons away from the landing party.

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage immediately, which destroys the missile bays holding the ships nuclear stockpile, preventing the crew from launching the warheads at the basestar. The next hit on ''Osiris'' completely destroys her starboard engine nacelle, sealing her destruction. Rather than let the ship be destroyed in vain, she orders the ship to ram the basestar, after which, she manually detonates the nuclear warheads, destroying both ships, with the loss of all hands.

===Planetside===

After launching, the Cylons detect the Raptor crew's descent into the planet, and quickly follow. Engaged by three Raiders, the descent party are forced to defend themselves, but are quickly overwhelmed. Elias is shot down by a pursuing Raider, and both [[Jim Kirby]] and the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' take damage. After taking damage, Kirby apologizes to Coker, and and abandons the Raptor to head home. The pursuing Raider lets him go, and takes after the Raptor, but [[William Adama]] sees an opportunity to think outside the box, and lets the Raider get in close. Dumping fuel on him, Adama uses the afterburners to light the Raider on fire, which causes the Raider to crash into the ice field below. Soon after, Adama loses control of the Raptor requiring a crash landing into the ice, disabling the Raptor.

== Aftermath ==

After abandoning the Raptor, Adama, Coker, and Beka are able to locate the Marine spec ops team inside a cave, however they were killed by an unknown Cylon creation some time beforehand. After locating surviving Marines, the party takes off for their next way point.

It is unknown what happens to Jim Kirby.

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Battle of Djerba

2012-11-23T15:20:20Z

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{{Battle Data
|image= Battle 1.png
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|10th Year]] of the [[Cylon War]]. Approximately 42 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
|place=[[Sector 12]]
|result= Pyrrhic Colonial victory
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander Ozar
|co2=Unspecified
|strength1= Battlestar ''[[Osiris]]''
|strength2= [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon Basestar]]
|shiploss1= Battlestar ''Osiris''; Viper complement
|shiploss2= Cylon Basestar; Raider complement
|casualties1= ''Osiris'' crew; Viper pilots
|casualties2= Basestar crew
|prev=[[Battle of Sector 12]]
|next=Eventually [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
|series=RDM
}}
The '''Battle of Djerba''' was an engagement that took place in the 10th year of the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]. This battle was fought in orbit, and planet side as the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' and her Viper escorts deliver [[Beka Kelly]] to her rendezvous.

==Battle==

===Orbital Engagement===

The Battle of Djerba took place after a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jumped into [[DRADIS]] range of ''[[Osiris]]'' while in orbit of [[Djerba]]. ''Osiris'' was on assignment to drop off Dr. [[Beka Kelly]] to rendezvous with a spec ops marine recon team, that had previously been dispatched to the moon. ''Osiris'' has time to retreat and jump back, but Commander Ozar makes the decision to engage the basestar, to draw the Cylons away from the landing party.

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage immediately, which destroys the missile bays holding the ships nuclear stockpile, preventing the crew from launching the warheads at the basestar. The next hit on ''Osiris'' completely destroys her starboard engine nacelle, sealing her destruction. Rather than let the ship be destroyed in vein, she orders the ship to ram the basestar, after which, she manually detonates the nuclear warheads, destroying both ships, with the loss of all hands.

===Planetside===

After launching, the Cylons detect the Raptor crew's descent into the planet, and quickly follow. Engaged by three Raiders, the descent party are forced to defend themselves, but are quickly overwhelmed. Elias is shot down by a pursuing Raider, and both [[Jim Kirby]] and the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' take damage. After taking damage, Kirby apologizes to Coker, and and abandons the Raptor to head home. The pursuing Raider lets him go, and takes after the Raptor, but [[William Adama]] sees an opportunity to think outside the box, and lets the Raider get in close. Dumping fuel on him, Adama uses the afterburners to light the Raider on fire, which causes the Raider to crash into the ice field below. Soon after, Adama loses control of the Raptor requiring a crash landing into the ice, disabling the Raptor.

== Aftermath ==

After abandoning the Raptor, Adama, Coker, and Beka are able to locate the Marine spec ops team inside a cave, however they were killed by an unknown Cylon creation some time beforehand. After locating surviving Marines, the party takes off for their next way point.

It is unknown what happens to Jim Kirby.

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Battle of Djerba

2012-11-23T15:17:37Z

YIIMM:

{{Battle Data
|image=
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|10th Year]] of the [[Cylon War]]. Approximately 42 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
|place=[[Sector 12]]
|result= Tactical draw
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander Ozar
|co2=Unspecified
|strength1= Battlestar ''[[Osiris]]''
|strength2= [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon Basestar]]
|shiploss1= Battlestar ''Osiris''; Viper complement
|shiploss2= Cylon Basestar; Raider complement
|casualties1= ''Osiris'' crew; Viper pilots
|casualties2= Basestar crew
|prev=[[Battle of Sector 12]]
|next=Eventually [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
|series=RDM
}}
The '''Battle of Djerba''' was an engagement that took place in the 10th year of the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]. This battle was fought in orbit, and planet side as the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' and her Viper escorts deliver [[Beka Kelly]] to her rendezvous.

==Battle==

===Orbital Engagement===

The Battle of Djerba took place after a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jumped into [[DRADIS]] range of ''[[Osiris]]'' while in orbit of [[Djerba]]. ''Osiris'' was on assignment to drop off Dr. [[Beka Kelly]] to rendezvous with a spec ops marine recon team, that had previously been dispatched to the moon. ''Osiris'' has time to retreat and jump back, but Commander Ozar makes the decision to engage the basestar, to draw the Cylons away from the landing party.

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage immediately, which destroys the missile bays holding the ships nuclear stockpile, preventing the crew from launching the warheads at the basestar. The next hit on ''Osiris'' completely destroys her starboard engine nacelle, sealing her destruction. Rather than let the ship be destroyed in vain, she orders the ship to ram the basestar, after which, she manually detonates the nuclear warheads, destroying both ships, with the loss of all hands.

===Planetside===

After launching, the Cylons detect the Raptor crew's descent into the planet, and quickly follow. Engaged by three Raiders, the descent party are forced to defend themselves, but are quickly overwhelmed. Elias is shot down by a pursuing Raider, and both [[Jim Kirby]] and the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' take damage. After taking damage, Kirby apologizes to Coker, and and abandons the Raptor to head home. The pursuing Raider lets him go, and takes after the Raptor, but [[William Adama]] sees an opportunity to think outside the box, and lets the Raider get in close. Dumping fuel on him, Adama uses the afterburners to light the Raider on fire, which causes the Raider to crash into the ice field below. Soon after, Adama loses control of the Raptor requiring a crash landing into the ice, disabling the Raptor.

== Aftermath ==

After abandoning the Raptor, Adama, Coker, and Beka are able to locate the Marine spec ops team inside a cave, however they were killed by an unknown Cylon creation some time beforehand. After locating surviving Marines, the party takes off for their next way point.

It is unknown what happens to Jim Kirby.

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Osiris

2012-11-23T15:13:40Z

YIIMM:

{{Ship Data
| image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| co= Commander [[Ozar]]
| crew = 150 (minus pilots)
| ftl= Yes
| role= Battleship / Carrier hybrid
| weapons= multiple primary [[Battery|gun turrets]] and [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defence batteries]], nuclear warheads, [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= [[Battle of Djerba|Destroyed]]
}}

'''''Osiris''''' (0913) is an ''Orion'' class battlestar<ref>Even though it's hard to see, the ''Osiris'' patch includes the label "Battlestar".</ref> in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] during the First [[Cylon War]]. She carries a typical crew compliment of 150, not counting assigned Viper pilots.

''Osiris'' is generally believed to have been destroyed in an earlier engagement, when in fact it is part of a Colonial "ghost fleet" hiding in Cylon held space, along with the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'', and other vessels. It is tasked with a combat jump to the ice planet [[Djerba]], a former winter resort moon in [[Sector 12]]. When a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon basestar]] jumps in nearby, the ship demonstrates possible stealth characteristics that afford it a small window of opportunity to operate within enemy DRADIS range. The ship is eventually detected and [[Battle of Djerba|engaged by]] Cylon [[Raider_(RDM)#Cylon_War-era_Raider|Raiders]] and ship to ship missiles (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage at the onset of the battle, which destroys her missile launch capabilities. Commander Ozar makes the decision to ram the ship into the basestar and manually detonate the on-board nuclear warheads. ''Osiris'' and the basestar are instantly destroyed with the loss of all hands.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Osiris 1.png|[[Raptor 909]] approaches ''Osiris''.
Image:Osiris 2.png|''Osiris'' among the "ghost fleet."
Image:Djerba 2.png|''Osiris'' approaching Djerba.
Image:Osiris 4.png|''Osiris's'' point defence batteries.
Image:Osiris 3.png|''Osiris's'' CIC.
</gallery>

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<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

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Battle of Djerba

2012-11-23T15:08:13Z

YIIMM:

{{Battle Data
|image=
|description=
|conflict=[[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]
|date=[[Timeline (RDM)|10th Year]] of the [[Cylon War]]. Approximately 42 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]].
|place=[[Sector 12]]
|result= Tactical draw
|combatant1=[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Commander Ozar
|co2=Unspecified
|strength1= Battlestar ''[[Osiris]]''
|strength2= [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon Basestar]]
|shiploss1= Battlestar ''Osiris''; Viper complement
|shiploss2= Cylon Basestar; Raider complement
|casualties1= ''Osiris'' crew; Viper pilots
|casualties2= Basestar crew
|prev=[[Battle of Sector 12]]
|next=Eventually [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
|series=RDM
}}
The '''Battle of Djerba''' was an engagement that took place in the 10th year of the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]]. This battle was fought in orbit, and planet side as the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' and her Viper escorts deliver [[Beka Kelly]] to her rendezvous.

==Battle==

===Orbital Engagement===

The Battle of Djerba took place after a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jumped into [[DRADIS]] range of ''[[Osiris]]'' while in orbit of [[Djerba]]. ''Osiris'' was on assignment to drop off Dr. [[Beka Kelly]] to rendezvous with a spec ops marine recon team, that had previously been dispatched to the moon. ''Osiris'' has time to retreat and jump back, but Commander Ozar makes the decision to engage the basetstar, to draw the Cylons away from the landing party.

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage immediately, which destroys the missile bays holding the ships nuclear stockpile, preventing the crew from launching the warheads at the basestar. The next hit on ''Osiris'' completely destroys her starboard engine nacelle, sealing her destruction. Rather than let the ship be destroyed in vein, she orders the ship to ram the basestar. After which, she manually detonates the nukes, destroying both ships, with the loss of all hands.

===Planetside===

After launching, the Cylons detected the Raptor crew's decent into the planet, and quickly followed. Engaged by three Raiders, the descent party was forced to defend themselves, but were quickly overwhelmed. Elias is shot down by a pursuing Raider, and both [[Jim Kirby]] and the ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' take damage. After taking damage, Kirby apologizes to Coker, and and abandons the Raptor to head home. The pursuing Raider lets him go, and takes after the Raptor, but [[William Adama]] sees an opportunity to think outside the box, and lets the Raider get in close. Dumping fuel on him, Adama uses the afterburners to light the Raider on fire, which causes the Raider to crash into the ice field below. Soon after, Adama looses control of the Raptor requiring a crash landing into the ice, disabling the Raptor.

== Aftermath ==

After abandoning the Raptor, Adama, Coker, and Beka are able to locate the Marine spec ops team inside a cave, however they were killed by an unknown Cylon creation some time beforehand. After locating surviving Marines, the party takes off for their next way point.

It is unknown what happens to Jim Kirby.

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Osiris

2012-11-23T15:04:42Z

YIIMM:

{{Ship Data
| image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| co= Commander [[Ozar]]
| crew = 150 (minus pilots)
| ftl= Yes
| role= Battleship / Carrier hybrid
| weapons= multiple primary [[Battery|gun turrets]] and [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defence batteries]], nuclear warheads, [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= [[Battle of Djerba|Destroyed]]
}}

'''''Osiris''''' (0913) is an ''Orion'' class battlestar<ref>Even though it's hard to see, the ''Osiris'' patch includes the label "Battlestar".</ref> in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] during the First [[Cylon War]]. She carries a typical crew compliment of 150, not counting assigned Viper pilots.

''Osiris'' is generally believed to have been destroyed in an earlier engagement, when in fact it is part of a Colonial "ghost fleet" hiding in Cylon held space, along with the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'', and other vessels. It is tasked with a combat jump to the ice planet [[Djerba]], a former winter resort moon in [[Sector 12]]. When a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon basestar]] jumps in nearby, the ship demonstrates possible stealth characteristics that afford it a small window of opportunity to operate within enemy DRADIS range. The ship is eventually detected and [[Battle of Djerba|engaged by]] Cylon [[Raider_(RDM)#Cylon_War-era_Raider|Raiders]] and ship to ship missiles (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage at the onset of the battle, which destroys her missile launch capabilities. Commander Ozar makes the decision to ram the ship into the basestar and manually detonate the on-board nuclear warheads. ''Osiris'' is instantly destroyed with the loss of all hands.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Osiris 1.png|[[Raptor 909]] approaches ''Osiris''.
Image:Osiris 2.png|''Osiris'' among the "ghost fleet."
Image:Djerba 2.png|''Osiris'' approaching Djerba.
Image:Osiris 4.png|''Osiris's'' point defence batteries.
Image:Osiris 3.png|''Osiris's'' CIC.
</gallery>

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Osiris

2012-11-23T15:04:26Z

YIIMM:

{{Ship Data
| image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| co= Commander [[Ozar]]
| crew = 150 (minus pilots)
| ftl= Yes
| role= Battleship / Carrier hybrid
| weapons= multiple primary [[Battery|gun turrets]] and [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defence batteries]], nuclear warheads, [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= [[Battle of Djerba|Destroyed]]
}}

'''''Osiris''''' (0913) is an ''Orion'' class Battlestar<ref>Even though it's hard to see, the ''Osiris'' patch includes the label "Battlestar".</ref> in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] during the First [[Cylon War]]. She carries a typical crew compliment of 150, not counting assigned Viper pilots.

''Osiris'' is generally believed to have been destroyed in an earlier engagement, when in fact it is part of a Colonial "ghost fleet" hiding in Cylon held space, along with the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'', and other vessels. It is tasked with a combat jump to the ice planet [[Djerba]], a former winter resort moon in [[Sector 12]]. When a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon basestar]] jumps in nearby, the ship demonstrates possible stealth characteristics that afford it a small window of opportunity to operate within enemy DRADIS range. The ship is eventually detected and [[Battle of Djerba|engaged by]] Cylon [[Raider_(RDM)#Cylon_War-era_Raider|Raiders]] and ship to ship missiles (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage at the onset of the battle, which destroys her missile launch capabilities. Commander Ozar makes the decision to ram the ship into the basestar and manually detonate the on-board nuclear warheads. ''Osiris'' is instantly destroyed with the loss of all hands.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Osiris 1.png|[[Raptor 909]] approaches ''Osiris''.
Image:Osiris 2.png|''Osiris'' among the "ghost fleet."
Image:Djerba 2.png|''Osiris'' approaching Djerba.
Image:Osiris 4.png|''Osiris's'' point defence batteries.
Image:Osiris 3.png|''Osiris's'' CIC.
</gallery>

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Osiris

2012-11-23T15:02:47Z

YIIMM:

{{Ship Data
| image= Osiris Prep to Jump.png
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| co= Commander [[Ozar]]
| crew = 150 (minus pilots)
| ftl= Yes
| role= Battleship / Carrier hybrid
| weapons= multiple primary [[Battery|gun turrets]] and [[KEW#Point_defense_guns|point defence batteries]], nuclear warheads, [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= [[Battle of Djerba|Destroyed]]
}}

'''''Osiris''''' (0913) is an ''Orion'' Class Battlestar<ref>Even though it's hard to see, the ''Osiris'' patch includes the label "Battlestar".</ref> in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] during the First [[Cylon War]]. She carries a typical crew compliment of 150, not counting assigned Viper pilots.

''Osiris'' is generally believed to have been destroyed in an earlier engagement, when in fact it is part of a Colonial "ghost fleet" hiding in Cylon held space, along with the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'', and other vessels. It is tasked with a combat jump to the ice planet [[Djerba]], a former winter resort moon in [[Sector 12]]. When a [[Basestar_(TRS)#Second_Variant|Cylon basestar]] jumps in nearby, the ship demonstrates possible stealth characteristics that afford it a small window of opportunity to operate within enemy DRADIS range. The ship is eventually detected and [[Battle of Djerba|engaged by]] Cylon [[Raider_(RDM)#Cylon_War-era_Raider|Raiders]] and ship to ship missiles (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

''Osiris'' takes heavy damage at the onset of the battle, which destroys her missile batteries. Commander Ozar makes the decision to ram the ship into the basestar and manually detonate the on-board nuclear warheads. ''Osiris'' is instantly destroyed with the loss of all hands.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Osiris 1.png|[[Raptor 909]] approaches ''Osiris''.
Image:Osiris 2.png|''Osiris'' among the "ghost fleet."
Image:Djerba 2.png|''Osiris'' approaching Djerba.
Image:Osiris 4.png|''Osiris's'' point defence batteries.
Image:Osiris 3.png|''Osiris's'' CIC.
</gallery>

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[[de:Osiris]]

Raptor

2012-11-23T14:46:00Z

YIIMM: "Gatling" is an eponymous term, replacing with "rotary"

The '''Raptor''' is a vehicle utilized by the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial military]]. A versatile craft, it is designed to perform multiple roles, but the Raptor most commonly takes part in reconnaissance and scouting operations. There have been at least two variants of this design in use by the Colonials since the outbrake of hostilities with the Cylons.

==Modern Raptor==

=== Overview ===

{{Ship Data
| image= Raptor-ZOIC.jpg
| title= Raptor
| race= Colonial, Cylon
| type= Civilian / Military
| ftl= Yes (short range)
| crew= 2 (Pilot and [[ECO]])
| cap= Approximately 5-10 passengers
| role= Reconnaissance and surveillance; Battlefield logistics; SaR; Transport
| weapons= Normally unarmed; Mission specific ship to ship missiles; electronic countermeasures
| length= {{Feet2Meters|28}}
| height= {{Feet2Meters|9.5}}
| weight= 50 tons <ref>In the [[Miniseries]], [[Sharon Valerii]] tells Chief Tyrol "You're not the one out there trying to bring 50 tons of Raptor onto a moving hangar deck". However, given the relatively small size of the craft, this figure seems unrealistically high. In comparison, large military helicopters like the [[w:Mil Mi-24|Mi-24 Hind]] or the [[w:CH-53 Sea Stallion|CH-53 Sea Stallion]] weigh approximately 10-15 metric tons.</ref>
| wingspan= {{Feet2Meters|18.34}}
| status = [[Cylon attack|Destroyed or captured]], surviving Colonial units abandoned
}}

The Raptor is usually operated by a crew of two (one pilot and one [[ECO]]), has [[Gravity in the Re-imagined series|synthetic gravity]] on board, and is controlled by means of a fly-by-wire system ([[Rapture]]). It is capable of atmospheric flight and is also equipped with a short-range [[FTL]] engine, allowing it to make short faster-than-light hops. Due to its size and shape, a Raptor is not launched from a battlestar's [[Launch tubes (RDM)|launch tube]], rather, it deploys from the forward end of a [[flight pod]]. The vehicle has been a mainstay of the Colonial fleet for over 40 years, having entered service sometime prior to the twelfth year of the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 3). Its versatility and reliability in various roles has likely prevented it from being phased out by newer Colonial craft.

As a scout, Raptors can:
*Undertake short and medium-range scans to detect electromagnetic, heat or other signatures from other vessels
*Scan planetary surfaces for signs of life, energy output, or to locate and assess mineral deposits ("[[Water]]", "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]")
*Scout ahead of its parent warship in other planetary or celestial systems for any signs of hostile intent or stellar conditions prior to the parent ship's arrival ([[Miniseries]])
*Undertake [[SAR|search & rescue operations]] after an engagement with Cylon forces.

When scouting, Raptors can operate independently, or in concert with other Raptors and Vipers ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

As an [[ECM]] platform, the Raptor contains a full suite of electronic countermeasure and monitoring tools, enabling it to:
*Jam [[wireless]] or relay transmissions (by wireless or optically) from other spacecraft ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]")
*Scramble control signals used by guided weapons ([[Miniseries]])
*Undertake IFF operations for Viper squadrons ([[Miniseries]])

In addition to reconnaissance and scouting, the Raptor can also undertake the following roles:
*Airborne warning & control and electronic countermeasures platform supporting [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] operations ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]")
*Marine assault craft ("[[Bastille Day]]", "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")
*Ambulance / evac vehicle ([[Miniseries]])
*General purpose transport ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", "[[Home, Part II]]")
*Combat Search and Rescue ("[[Fragged]]", "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]")
*Secure communication with other vessels ([[33]])

In the transport role, a Raptor is capable of carrying around eight to ten adults in addition to the two-person crew. In the assault role, it can carry a squad of some eight equipped Marines ([[Bastille Day]]).

=== Atmospheric Operations ===
The Raptor is designed for atmospheric as well as space-based operations. However, a critical element for atmospheric operations is that to remain airborne requires fuel: once in an atmosphere, the engines must be run constantly to maintain lift and to hover. Depending on the composition of the atmosphere itself, this can place severe strain on the Raptor's engines ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).

Due to their overall configuration and bulk, Raptors may also suffer from poor handling at low speeds, and rely heavily on directed thrust to remain airborne.

=== FTL Operations ===
The Raptor is fitted with a small, general purpose FTL drive. Unlike their larger siblings placed on capital ships, these drives are limited in distance.

A Raptor seems to be able to make at least ten, and probably at least 20 [[FTL]] jumps before refueling as seen in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]". However, these Raptors had been carrying more than a typical amount of [[tylium|fuel]] for that mission.

=== Life Support ===
The main flight deck / cabin of a Raptor is fully pressurized. However, crews operate in [[flight suit]]s and helmets to help protect them against any hull breach ([[Miniseries]]). The cabin can also be depressurized and used in space rescue operations. Re-pressurization takes 10 seconds ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", "[[A Day in the Life]]"). The forward pilot and co-pilot seats can eject in an emergency as the forward canopy is blown away prior to the ejection ([[Dirty Hands]]).

=== Propulsion ===
*2x fixed sublight engines mounted aft
*1x small-scale [[FTL]] system
*[[RCS]] points

=== Armament ===

[[Image:RaptorWeapons.jpg|thumb|right|Raptor weapon pods ([[Exodus, Part II]]).]]

====Offensive====
Raptors are normally unarmed as they make for a poor general-purpose fighter. The craft have an internal weapons bay capable of holding both offensive and defensive weapons. They are also capable of carrying heavy external armaments on four wing hardpoints, two wingtip hardpoints, and two fuselage hardpoints on the sides of the Raptor's body. Known weapons carried include:
*nuclear missiles
*bombs/munitions pods
*quad racks of missiles
*multiple-tube rocket batteries mounted on the fuselage points
*dual [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|Kinetic Energy Weapons]]

====Defensive====
The Raptor's contours provide it a reduced [[DRADIS]] signature to avoid detection. In addition, the craft carry an assortment of pods to aid in communications or defense as well as electronic countermeasures such as a [[jigger]].<ref>A close-up of a Raptor display in the [[Miniseries]] (timestamp 57 m 41 sec) shows the name and number of these items.</ref>
*Up to 6 [[Swallow|decoy drones]]
*Up to 4 [[Communication drone|communication drones]]
*Up to 4 sets of flares
*Up to 4 chaff pods

=== Layout ===
[[Image:Raptor-1.jpg|thumb|[[Raptor 312]] taking off from the ground ([[Miniseries]]).]]
The Raptor is an angular vehicle built for function, not aesthetics. The forward section consists of a flight cabin with side-by-side seats for the pilot and ECO, with a large bubble canopy providing wide fields of view both forward and side. The flight cabin opens into the main compartment where a workstation containing early warning, electronic countermeasures, and other equipment is manned by the ECO when not co-piloting the craft.

Access to the Raptor's main compartment is primarily through a large port-side hydraulic door, and a floor-mounted hatchway provides access through the deck. A pressurized docking skirt can also be extended from the underside, enabling the Raptor to dock to the hulls of other vessels. In assault missions, [[marines]] can use this skirt to breech a hull and board a hostile vessel ([[Bastille Day]]).

Aft of the pressurized area are the [[FTL]] drive and main [[sublight]] engines. Port and starboard stub wings provide additional lift during atmospheric flight, and winglets reduce drag and provide step access to the wings and hull. [[RCS]] thrusters are placed throughout the craft for landing, maneuvering and stabilization ([[Miniseries]]).

==Cylon War Raptor==

=== Overview ===

{{Ship Data
| image= Raptor Type I.png
| title= Raptor
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Unknown
| crew= 2 (Pilot and [[ECO]])
| cap= Approximately 5-10 passengers
| role= Reconnaissance and surveillance; Battlefield logistics; SaR; Transport
| weapons= Ship to ship missiles; rear [[Kinetic Energy Weapon|KEW]]; electronic countermeasures
| status = Retired some time before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies
}}

The First War era Raptor is little changed from its later counterpart, but features a longer cabin with an aft-facing gun emplacement. This design also relies on the main sublight engines for maneuvering.

This design was considered by the Colonials to generally be slow, and an easy target for Cylon forces to attack and destroy. However, it was not impossible to eliminate enemy targets while flying one.

The Raptors of this type are eventually replaced by their modern counterparts; ''[[Galactica]]'' has at least one of these in service by the start of [[Operation Raptor Talon]].

=== FTL Operations ===
It is not known if this design commonly carries FTL drives, like their later counterparts do. Ten years into the [[Cylon War|War]], and [[Raptor 909]] does not carry one, however, a statement by ''[[Galactica]]'' CO [[Silas Nash]] suggests that the Colonials do utilize smaller FTL capable ships.

=== Life Support ===
The main flight deck / cabin of a Raptor is fully pressurized. However, crews operate in [[flight suit]]s and helmets to help protect them against any hull breach. The cabin can also be depressurized and used in space rescue operations.

=== Propulsion ===
*2x rotating sublight engine pods mounted aft.
*[[RCS]] points

=== Armament ===
Raptors of this era are more commonly armed that the later design. This design can be outfitted with mission specific ship to ship missiles, incorporates a rear [[Kinetic Energy Weapon|cannon]], and is equipped with electronic countermeasures for defense ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

== Notes ==
* "Raptor" is a Latin word meaning [[w:Bird of prey|bird of prey]].
*Commonly seen Raptor pilots include Lt. [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]] and [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]] (who also serves as an ECO).
*Boomer blames a malfunctioning [[Wikipedia:Gimbal|gimbal]] for a rough landing in the [[Miniseries]].
*The design of the Raptor originally began as [[:image:Raptor concept drawing.JPG|this sketch]]. "Sketches like this are great for selling a concept," explains production designer Richard Hudolin. "The Raptor is derived from an Apache helicopter and we wanted to give it a retro feel, a nuts-and-bolts look, to give the impression that in its time it was the best of the best, but now its time is almost over."
*The design of the Raptor was based on the US Army's [[Wikipedia:AH-64_Apache|Apache helicopter]]. [[Ronald D. Moore]] thinks of it "as analogous to the Navy's [[Wikipedia:EA-6 Prowler|EA-6 Prowler]] (a variant of the [[Wikipedia:A-6 Intruder|A-6 Intruder]] popularized in ''[[IMDB:tt0099587|Flight of the Intruder]]'')."<ref name="apache">{{cite web|url=http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/|title=RDM Battlestar Blog |accessdate=18 April 2006}}</ref>
*The joystick seen inside of the Raptor appears to be a [http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joysticks/devices/302&cl=us,en Logitech Attack 3].

==== Making the Raptor fly ====
[[Image:Raptor, lifted by crane.JPG|thumb|right|Shooting of the Miniseries.]]

Richard Hudolin explains: "The Raptor is made out of foam on a steel frame. We built it so that we could have people safely in there as a 100ft crane picks it up and swings it around. The actors were a little bit surprised: 'Oh, my God, it goes up that high!'"

It's custom-built and then it's painted. We have painters who are literally standing by on the day to add to it before the camera rolls [the wires are removed digitally later in post production]."

"The actors are rehearsing and we have people aging [the Raptor], adding the gunshot hits. One day we had to paint it up as if it had crashed and been on fire - the next day it had to be made pristine again."
<ref>{{cite_magazine|quotes=|last=|first=|authorlink=|coauthors=|year=2004|month=October|title=Making the Raptor fly|magazine=[http://www.radiotimes.com/content/show-features/battlestar-galactica/making-the-raptor-fly/ Radio Times]|volume=|issue=|pages=|id=|url=|accessdate=}}</ref>

== Related Images ==

<gallery>
Image:Raptor front down.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Raptor back side.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Raptor port.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Raptor front canopy.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Cylon War Era Raptor.png|Cylon war era generation Raptor. Its sublight drives are configured differently.
Image:Cylon War Era Raptor Rear.png|Engine pods and rear view bubble.
Image:Blood and Chrome Raptor Tail Gun.png|Rotary gun turret.
</gallery>

== See Also ==
* [[List of Raptors]]

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Raider (RDM)

2012-11-23T14:45:25Z

YIIMM: /* Cylon War-era Raider */ "Gatling" is an eponymous term, replacing with "rotary"

:''This article is about the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] Raider fighter craft. For other versions, see [[Cylon Raider]].''

The '''Raider''' is the primary aerospace attack craft used by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] against the peoples of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]].

==Cylon War-era Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Cylon War-era Raider
| image= Old Raider II.jpg
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Up to 3 [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Space superiority fighter, dropship
| weapons= 2 triple barrel rotary guns
| length=
| height=
| wingspan=
}}
During the [[Cylon War]], [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces employ Raiders in their conflict with the humans of the [[Twelve Worlds]]. Resembling a "great flying wing", Raiders carry a crew of at least three - two [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]]s piloting under the command of a specifically designated model. They are a mainstay in the Cylon arsenal of the time ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]", "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

Deployed en masse by the [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]], Raiders are used to great effect against [[Colonial Fleet|Colonial]] [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]] and are nearly a match in maneuverability against their Colonial counterparts, the [[Viper Mark II]] and [[Viper Mark III|Mark III]]. They are also used as drop-ships for deploying ground forces (as seen in the [[Battle of Tauron]]) and are capable of vertical take-offs and landings, much like the Colonial [[Raptor]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

In the tenth year of the Cylon War, [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilots train for combat using [[holoband]]s to simulate battles between the Viper Mark IIIs and Cylon Raiders (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

During the last days of the Cylon War, Raiders destroy the battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' in tandem with basestar missile salvos during [[Operation Raptor Talon]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

Some forty years later, some Cylon War-era Raiders are still in active service. A contingent of Raiders is present aboard a lone Cylon War-era [[Guardian basestar|basestar]] which houses the [[First Hybrid]]. When the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' inadvertently discovers this "Guardian basestar", a squadron of Raiders engages with the battlestar as well as its defending force of [[Viper Mark VII]]s ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). A small number of original Raiders also appears at the [[The Colony|Cylon Colony]], shortly before its destruction by the ''Galactica'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]", "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

==Modern Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Modern Raider
| image= Raider profile..jpg
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= None (biomechanical being)
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons= 2 [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s, conventional/nuclear missiles.
| length= 29.3 feet (8.94 meters)
| height= 4.97 feet (1.52 meters)
| wingspan= 18.3 feet (5.59 meters)
}}
The modern Raider, called '''sparrow''' in Colonial military jargon ([[TRS]]: "[[Maelstrom]]"), radically redesigned but still resembling its past incarnation as a giant flying wing, is first encountered 40 years after the [[Cylon War]], when the Cylons launch their devastating [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|surprise attack]] on the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. During this attack, Raiders transmit commands to Colonial vessels utilizing the Command Navigation Program ([[CNP]]). Compromised prior to the attack, the CNP was programmed with backdoors that permitted the Cylons to cut the power of any ship carrying the program ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]]).

This incarnation of the Raider is initially thought to be wholly mechanical in design, with a high-level AI controlling it. However, from inspection of a damaged Raider forced down in a firefight and recovered by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Act of Contrition]]"), the craft is found to be bio-mechanical in nature ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"), incorporating a number of large organs in its design, including a central brain. Raiders require an oxygen-nitrogen mix for their biological functions, and thus oxygen tanks are located somewhere onboard ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"). In effect, a modern Raider is a creature in itself.

Though Raiders are self-aware, their intelligence level is less than that of a [[humanoid Cylon]] and more like a trained animal ([[TRS]]: "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"). Nonetheless, they are capable of independent thought and action, and can refuse to follow orders if they choose ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]"). Much like the humanoids, the bio-mechanical Raider's consciousness [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrects]] in a new "body" if it is destroyed. While this allows the Raider to "learn" from its previous mistakes and become a more proficient killing machine, it can cause Raiders to develop what can be described as a desire for revenge after repeated deaths ([[TRS]]: "[[Scar]]"). ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Viper pilots are regularly outnumbered and survive, indicating that Cylon Raiders are generally not matches for skilled human pilots.

The Raider is equipped with an [[FTL]] drive system ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]"). Following tests on the Raider captured by ''Galactica'', this FTL system is found to be far more efficient in jump calculations than Colonial FTL systems. The drive shows its accuracy when Lt. Thrace takes the Raider from a point somewhere near the vicinity of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] back to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] in a single jump ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]").

It is armed with conventional and nuclear missiles carried in internal wing bays and two pairs of [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s of different calibers mounted under the leading edge of the wings. Curiously, the only times the Raiders have been seen using their missiles are during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the [[Battle of The Colony]]. This may indicate that Raiders are not normally armed with missiles.

Like its counterpart, the Colonial [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]], the Raider is capable of atmospheric operations, and retains an aerodynamic shape ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]").

During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], a Raider identifies one of the [[Final Five]] after their activation, causing all of them to refuse to fight further and forces the Cylons to retreat ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). [[Cavil]] (a [[Number One]]) concludes that the Raiders exceeded their programming, and to regain control over them the humanoid Cylons must reconfigure the Raiders' neural architecture and shave down their heuristic responses, essentially lobotomizing them and "dumbing them down." This decision leads to a violent [[Cylon Civil War|split]] among the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]", "[[The Ties That Bind]]"). This split further leads to the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]], resulting in the destruction of the resurrection technology used by both the Humanoid Cylons and the Raiders ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hub]]", "[[Sine Qua Non]]").

Heuristically-reconfigured Raiders participate in the [[Battle of The Colony]] against ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Vipers. For the first time since the Miniseries, Raiders are outfitted with missiles and, using these weapons, destroy one of ''Galactica's'' gun batteries in the battle ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

With the destruction of [[The Colony]] and the Cylon forces lead by Cavil, as well as the loss of the resurrection technology, it is a foregone conclusion that the biological Raiders have gone extinct ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

== Notes ==
*In an homage to the [[Raider (TOS)|Original Series Raider]], the weapons fire of the Re-imagined Series Cylon Raiders is blue-white. Given the use of conventional weaponry only in the series, these are probably muzzle flashes and tracer rounds, and not energy weapons like in the Original Series.
*As of "Razor", a [[:Image:Raider retcon.jpg|new exterior design]] is being used for the modern Raider. This version displays a more reflective outer armor, and has a flatter face with a sharper jaw line. Overall, this affords the Raider a closer resemblance to the Centurion foot-soldier.<ref>http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=219</ref>

== Related Imagery ==
*The concept drawings represent the interior of the modern Raider and emphasize the bio-mechanical nature of the craft. They are very close to the fully realized versions seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. However, there were several changes made and these drawings should not be considered completely canon.

<gallery>
Image:Raider head..jpg|Raider, fore ([[Miniseries]]).
Image:Raider, aft.jpg|Raider, aft ([[Razor]]).
Image:Raider nukes.jpg|Raider missiles (Miniseries).
Image:Baseship - Raiders - Raptor.jpg|Raiders docked within a baseship ([[Torn]]).
Image:Retcon Raider The Plan.png|Redesigned Raider cockpit
Image:Closeup Redesigned Raider Cockpit The Plan.png|Closeup of the redesigned cockpit
Image:Redesigned Raider Eye The Plan.png|Transmiting CNP Virus in The Plan
Image:bsg-raider-A.jpg|Raider on Galactica's hangar deck ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).
Image:Old Raider.jpg|Damaged Raider (Razor).
Image:Old Raider landing.jpg|Raider functioning as a drop-ship (Razor).
Image:Old Raider inferior..jpg|Raider fires (Razor).
Image:Brain1.jpg|Internal workings.
Image:Brain3.jpg|The Brain.
Image:Brain4.jpg|Brain - Anterior view.
Image:Brain 2.jpg|Starbuck in brain cavity.
Image:CylonRaiderConcept5.jpg|Unused Raider concept by [[Chris Bell]].
Image:3cylons.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, aft.
Image:Cylonprobe.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, fore.
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Raptor

2012-11-23T08:43:09Z

YIIMM: Removing conjecture about retirement prior to events in Razor

The '''Raptor''' is a vehicle utilized by the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial military]]. A versatile craft, it is designed to perform multiple roles, but the Raptor most commonly takes part in reconnaissance and scouting operations. There have been at least two variants of this design in use by the Colonials since the outbrake of hostilities with the Cylons.

==Modern Raptor==

=== Overview ===

{{Ship Data
| image= Raptor-ZOIC.jpg
| title= Raptor
| race= Colonial, Cylon
| type= Civilian / Military
| ftl= Yes (short range)
| crew= 2 (Pilot and [[ECO]])
| cap= Approximately 5-10 passengers
| role= Reconnaissance and surveillance; Battlefield logistics; SaR; Transport
| weapons= Normally unarmed; Mission specific ship to ship missiles; electronic countermeasures
| length= {{Feet2Meters|28}}
| height= {{Feet2Meters|9.5}}
| weight= 50 tons <ref>In the [[Miniseries]], [[Sharon Valerii]] tells Chief Tyrol "You're not the one out there trying to bring 50 tons of Raptor onto a moving hangar deck". However, given the relatively small size of the craft, this figure seems unrealistically high. In comparison, large military helicopters like the [[w:Mil Mi-24|Mi-24 Hind]] or the [[w:CH-53 Sea Stallion|CH-53 Sea Stallion]] weigh approximately 10-15 metric tons.</ref>
| wingspan= {{Feet2Meters|18.34}}
| status = [[Cylon attack|Destroyed or captured]], surviving Colonial units abandoned
}}

The Raptor is usually operated by a crew of two (one pilot and one [[ECO]]), has [[Gravity in the Re-imagined series|synthetic gravity]] on board, and is controlled by means of a fly-by-wire system ([[Rapture]]). It is capable of atmospheric flight and is also equipped with a short-range [[FTL]] engine, allowing it to make short faster-than-light hops. Due to its size and shape, a Raptor is not launched from a battlestar's [[Launch tubes (RDM)|launch tube]], rather, it deploys from the forward end of a [[flight pod]]. The vehicle has been a mainstay of the Colonial fleet for over 40 years, having entered service sometime prior to the twelfth year of the first [[Cylon War]] ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 3). Its versatility and reliability in various roles has likely prevented it from being phased out by newer Colonial craft.

As a scout, Raptors can:
*Undertake short and medium-range scans to detect electromagnetic, heat or other signatures from other vessels
*Scan planetary surfaces for signs of life, energy output, or to locate and assess mineral deposits ("[[Water]]", "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]")
*Scout ahead of its parent warship in other planetary or celestial systems for any signs of hostile intent or stellar conditions prior to the parent ship's arrival ([[Miniseries]])
*Undertake [[SAR|search & rescue operations]] after an engagement with Cylon forces.

When scouting, Raptors can operate independently, or in concert with other Raptors and Vipers ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

As an [[ECM]] platform, the Raptor contains a full suite of electronic countermeasure and monitoring tools, enabling it to:
*Jam [[wireless]] or relay transmissions (by wireless or optically) from other spacecraft ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]")
*Scramble control signals used by guided weapons ([[Miniseries]])
*Undertake IFF operations for Viper squadrons ([[Miniseries]])

In addition to reconnaissance and scouting, the Raptor can also undertake the following roles:
*Airborne warning & control and electronic countermeasures platform supporting [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] operations ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]")
*Marine assault craft ("[[Bastille Day]]", "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]")
*Ambulance / evac vehicle ([[Miniseries]])
*General purpose transport ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", "[[Home, Part II]]")
*Combat Search and Rescue ("[[Fragged]]", "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]")
*Secure communication with other vessels ([[33]])

In the transport role, a Raptor is capable of carrying around eight to ten adults in addition to the two-person crew. In the assault role, it can carry a squad of some eight equipped Marines ([[Bastille Day]]).

=== Atmospheric Operations ===
The Raptor is designed for atmospheric as well as space-based operations. However, a critical element for atmospheric operations is that to remain airborne requires fuel: once in an atmosphere, the engines must be run constantly to maintain lift and to hover. Depending on the composition of the atmosphere itself, this can place severe strain on the Raptor's engines ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).

Due to their overall configuration and bulk, Raptors may also suffer from poor handling at low speeds, and rely heavily on directed thrust to remain airborne.

=== FTL Operations ===
The Raptor is fitted with a small, general purpose FTL drive. Unlike their larger siblings placed on capital ships, these drives are limited in distance.

A Raptor seems to be able to make at least ten, and probably at least 20 [[FTL]] jumps before refueling as seen in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]". However, these Raptors had been carrying more than a typical amount of [[tylium|fuel]] for that mission.

=== Life Support ===
The main flight deck / cabin of a Raptor is fully pressurized. However, crews operate in [[flight suit]]s and helmets to help protect them against any hull breach ([[Miniseries]]). The cabin can also be depressurized and used in space rescue operations. Re-pressurization takes 10 seconds ("[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", "[[A Day in the Life]]"). The forward pilot and co-pilot seats can eject in an emergency as the forward canopy is blown away prior to the ejection ([[Dirty Hands]]).

=== Propulsion ===
*2x fixed sublight engines mounted aft
*1x small-scale [[FTL]] system
*[[RCS]] points

=== Armament ===

[[Image:RaptorWeapons.jpg|thumb|right|Raptor weapon pods ([[Exodus, Part II]]).]]

====Offensive====
Raptors are normally unarmed as they make for a poor general-purpose fighter. The craft have an internal weapons bay capable of holding both offensive and defensive weapons. They are also capable of carrying heavy external armaments on four wing hardpoints, two wingtip hardpoints, and two fuselage hardpoints on the sides of the Raptor's body. Known weapons carried include:
*nuclear missiles
*bombs/munitions pods
*quad racks of missiles
*multiple-tube rocket batteries mounted on the fuselage points
*dual [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|Kinetic Energy Weapons]]

====Defensive====
The Raptor's contours provide it a reduced [[DRADIS]] signature to avoid detection. In addition, the craft carry an assortment of pods to aid in communications or defense as well as electronic countermeasures such as a [[jigger]].<ref>A close-up of a Raptor display in the [[Miniseries]] (timestamp 57 m 41 sec) shows the name and number of these items.</ref>
*Up to 6 [[Swallow|decoy drones]]
*Up to 4 [[Communication drone|communication drones]]
*Up to 4 sets of flares
*Up to 4 chaff pods

=== Layout ===
[[Image:Raptor-1.jpg|thumb|[[Raptor 312]] taking off from the ground ([[Miniseries]]).]]
The Raptor is an angular vehicle built for function, not aesthetics. The forward section consists of a flight cabin with side-by-side seats for the pilot and ECO, with a large bubble canopy providing wide fields of view both forward and side. The flight cabin opens into the main compartment where a workstation containing early warning, electronic countermeasures, and other equipment is manned by the ECO when not co-piloting the craft.

Access to the Raptor's main compartment is primarily through a large port-side hydraulic door, and a floor-mounted hatchway provides access through the deck. A pressurized docking skirt can also be extended from the underside, enabling the Raptor to dock to the hulls of other vessels. In assault missions, [[marines]] can use this skirt to breech a hull and board a hostile vessel ([[Bastille Day]]).

Aft of the pressurized area are the [[FTL]] drive and main [[sublight]] engines. Port and starboard stub wings provide additional lift during atmospheric flight, and winglets reduce drag and provide step access to the wings and hull. [[RCS]] thrusters are placed throughout the craft for landing, maneuvering and stabilization ([[Miniseries]]).

==Cylon War Raptor==

=== Overview ===

{{Ship Data
| image= Raptor Type I.png
| title= Raptor
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Unknown
| crew= 2 (Pilot and [[ECO]])
| cap= Approximately 5-10 passengers
| role= Reconnaissance and surveillance; Battlefield logistics; SaR; Transport
| weapons= Ship to ship missiles; rear [[Kinetic Energy Weapon|KEW]]; electronic countermeasures
| status = Retired some time before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies
}}

The First War era Raptor is little changed from its later counterpart, but features a longer cabin with an aft-facing gun emplacement. This design also relies on the main sublight engines for maneuvering.

This design was considered by the Colonials to generally be slow, and an easy target for Cylon forces to attack and destroy. However, it was not impossible to eliminate enemy targets while flying one.

The Raptors of this type are eventually replaced by their modern counterparts; ''[[Galactica]]'' has at least one of these in service by the start of [[Operation Raptor Talon]].

=== FTL Operations ===
It is not known if this design commonly carries FTL drives, like their later counterparts do. Ten years into the [[Cylon War|War]], and [[Raptor 909]] does not carry one, however, a statement by ''[[Galactica]]'' CO [[Silas Nash]] suggests that the Colonials do utilize smaller FTL capable ships.

=== Life Support ===
The main flight deck / cabin of a Raptor is fully pressurized. However, crews operate in [[flight suit]]s and helmets to help protect them against any hull breach. The cabin can also be depressurized and used in space rescue operations.

=== Propulsion ===
*2x rotating sublight engine pods mounted aft.
*[[RCS]] points

=== Armament ===
Raptors of this era are more commonly armed that the later design. This design can be outfitted with mission specific ship to ship missiles, incorporates a rear [[Kinetic Energy Weapon|cannon]], and is equipped with electronic countermeasures for defense ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

== Notes ==
* "Raptor" is a Latin word meaning [[w:Bird of prey|bird of prey]].
*Commonly seen Raptor pilots include Lt. [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon "Athena" Agathon]] and [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]] (who also serves as an ECO).
*Boomer blames a malfunctioning [[Wikipedia:Gimbal|gimbal]] for a rough landing in the [[Miniseries]].
*The design of the Raptor originally began as [[:image:Raptor concept drawing.JPG|this sketch]]. "Sketches like this are great for selling a concept," explains production designer Richard Hudolin. "The Raptor is derived from an Apache helicopter and we wanted to give it a retro feel, a nuts-and-bolts look, to give the impression that in its time it was the best of the best, but now its time is almost over."
*The design of the Raptor was based on the US Army's [[Wikipedia:AH-64_Apache|Apache helicopter]]. [[Ronald D. Moore]] thinks of it "as analogous to the Navy's [[Wikipedia:EA-6 Prowler|EA-6 Prowler]] (a variant of the [[Wikipedia:A-6 Intruder|A-6 Intruder]] popularized in ''[[IMDB:tt0099587|Flight of the Intruder]]'')."<ref name="apache">{{cite web|url=http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/04/|title=RDM Battlestar Blog |accessdate=18 April 2006}}</ref>
*The joystick seen inside of the Raptor appears to be a [http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/pc_gaming/joysticks/devices/302&cl=us,en Logitech Attack 3].

==== Making the Raptor fly ====
[[Image:Raptor, lifted by crane.JPG|thumb|right|Shooting of the Miniseries.]]

Richard Hudolin explains: "The Raptor is made out of foam on a steel frame. We built it so that we could have people safely in there as a 100ft crane picks it up and swings it around. The actors were a little bit surprised: 'Oh, my God, it goes up that high!'"

It's custom-built and then it's painted. We have painters who are literally standing by on the day to add to it before the camera rolls [the wires are removed digitally later in post production]."

"The actors are rehearsing and we have people aging [the Raptor], adding the gunshot hits. One day we had to paint it up as if it had crashed and been on fire - the next day it had to be made pristine again."
<ref>{{cite_magazine|quotes=|last=|first=|authorlink=|coauthors=|year=2004|month=October|title=Making the Raptor fly|magazine=[http://www.radiotimes.com/content/show-features/battlestar-galactica/making-the-raptor-fly/ Radio Times]|volume=|issue=|pages=|id=|url=|accessdate=}}</ref>

== Related Images ==

<gallery>
Image:Raptor front down.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Raptor back side.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Raptor port.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Raptor front canopy.jpg|Zoic CGI model.
Image:Cylon War Era Raptor.png|Cylon war era generation Raptor. Its sublight drives are configured differently.
Image:Cylon War Era Raptor Rear.png|Engine pods and rear view bubble.
Image:Blood and Chrome Raptor Tail Gun.png|Gatling Gun turret.
</gallery>

== See Also ==
* [[List of Raptors]]

==References==
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Talk:Raptor/Archive 1

2012-11-23T08:37:06Z

YIIMM: /* War-era Raptor retired? */

== Raptor Armament ==

In the Episode : "Fragged" we see a hovering Raptor use what appears to be a nose mounted "Vulcan" cannon of sorts to destroy a handfull of Cylon Centurions...
is there any info on this gun, and wether or not its standard for Raptors?---Posted by Strato

*That was not a Vulcan cannon. That was a stack of missles. We've never seen Raptors firing bullets, and only on this one occasion have we ever see them fire anything (missles). We're not even sure if they're normally loaded with ''weapons'' of any kind; they could just be loaded on special occasions. Raptors are a support craft, which does actually enter a combat zone, and although a multi-purpose vehicle it's ''primary'' mission profile as stated by Boomer in the Miniseris is "to fly ahead of a Viper squadron, use long range scanning equipment to '''scout''' for enemy targets, then Jump (using it's limited small FTL drive) behind the lines of the Vipers, fall back and provide electronic support". It's not really meant to engage stuff. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:51, 30 January 2006 (EST)

:Does anyone have a high-res image of a Raptor equipped with missile pods and/or the underwing missiles? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:37, 14 November 2006 (CST)
::There hasn't been a HD airing of the episode yet. I could take a screenshot but would only be low res? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:32, 14 November 2006 (CST)
:::Sure, go ahead. I think the aramament section needs one :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 08:16, 17 November 2006 (CST)

You are correct...went back and rewatched the DVD...for somereason I mistook the smoke trails from the missles as smoke from a vulcan cannon.
my bad. -- [[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]

== The nuke? ==

Would anyone object to my adding the nuclear weapon mounted on Boomer's raptor in the season 1 finale to the armaments section? -[[User:Admiral Rupert|Admiral Rupert]]

== ECM Support ==

What does "well it supports other ships ECM" mean? (This is a sincere question, despite the fact I can't manage to inquire without what sounds to me to be a questionable tone.) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 15:57, 8 April 2006 (CDT)
:It provides Electronic counter meastures support for an entire squadron of Vipers, sort of like an Osprey. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 16:29, 8 April 2006 (CDT)

== Raptor Controls ==
Does anybody know of any screenshots showing the Raptor flight controls? The closest I could come was [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/albums/Water/BSG_1x02_Water_307.jpg this] which doesn't have flight controls displayed, but has velocity readouts, etc. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:16, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

:There are lots of eps where Raptor cockpits are shown where we can start looking. By memory, useful ones should include [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]], [[Home, Part II]] and [[Fragged]]. I looked at the miniseries as well with no success. Given that these were designed based on helocopter designs, a small joystick control is highly likely. Maybe this is something that Ngarenn can confirm...? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:26, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

::I've also got a look at the interior in a season 2 video blog. The ECO has a joystick, but the port pilot's stick appears to be to the left of the seat, and the starboard pilot's seat has one to the right. Because of the room of the set it may have been impractical to make it a true joystick between the legs of the pilots. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:42, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Many modern aircraft have side-sticks though, helicopters generally have a center-mounted joystick and a right-side collective. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:13, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

== Capacity ==

It would be good to quote how many people can you fit into one Raptor. I assume we could glean this from Boomer's small evacuation from Caprica in the Miniseries, but I don't have that to hand. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 13:15, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
: Well, even then, it might be a bit difficult to ascertain, since there were children aboard the Raptor as well. Two children could easily weigh about the same as a grown man. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 13:34, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

== Weight. ==

It says in the side column that the Raptor weights 50 tons (!); is this actually specified in the miniseries? An Airbus A380 weighs about 620 tons, and its 240 feet long. Yet a Raptor that's roughly 30 feet long weighs nearly a tenth as much? Granted that this is a TV show, but I think thats a little absurd...--[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]
: I'd like to know where ''that'' figure came from. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 20:33, 20 December 2007 (CST)
:Yes, it's from the Miniseries. Boomer says something like "You aren't the one trying to land 50 tons of Raptor". The figure always seemed way too high to me. Something for a footnote to point out. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:04, 21 December 2007 (CST)
::FWIW, the exact quote (if memory serves) is "You're not the one out there trying to land 50 tons of Raptor on a moving platform" (not sure about the platform part). Boomer says it when she and Tyrol have their fake argument before it's revealed that they have a relationship. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 05:50, 21 December 2007 (CST)
:::Well, in any case I don't think its meant to be taken literally. For all we know, Grace Park ad-libbed the line (according to Eick, very little of the miniseries' scripted dialog came out like it was written) and that within the context of the conversation its not meant to be accurate. There's simply no way that a Raptor weighs 50 tons; 15 maybe, but not 50. Is deletion the way to go here? --[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]
::::Well, it was spoken in the miniseries, so it's technically canonical information. For all we know, the Raptor may be 50 tons, but may have some sort of synthetic gravity techno-gizmo that reduces that weight. As for how we deal with it, we should definitely put where that figure came from in a footnote. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:53, 21 December 2007 (CST)
:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)
:::::::You know, I would imagine that on a spaceship, weight is not so important as mass. Since all the gravity on a battlestar is artificial, weight is kind of a superfluous quantity anyways.--[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 19:21, 22 December 2007 (CST)

I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)
:::::::Well, how about we put down 15 tons? Its arguable that Grace Park was actually going for that number (or that it was written that way) but while saying her lines she said 50 instead of 15. She speaks the line pretty quickly...--[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]

(reseting indentation level to base) Here's what we need to do. Firstly, we need to find out what the subtitles say. If the subtitles say 15 instead of 50, then we can go with the subtitles. On the other hand, if the subtitles also give that 50 figure, then we '''have to quote it''', even if it sounds absurd. We're not here to rewrite the series' history every time we see something that doesn't jive with our understanding of the world around us.

If 50 is what she says -- and is confirmed by said subtitles -- then we stick with the 50 ton figure she gave. As I said, for all we know they have some sort of technological thingamajiggie that allows the ship to fly with that weight. Hell, how much does an FTL drive weigh anyway? Who knows?

However, what we '''can and should''' do is provide a piece of ''analysis'' noting why this doesn't seem likely, citing real-world examples as appropriate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:05, 22 December 2007 (CST)
:I agree that we shouldn't just change it. But the issue is that it shouldn't weigh that much in the first place, not that it couldn't fly. Anyways, the article includes a footnote about it now. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:33, 22 December 2007 (CST)

== Non-Colonial Fleet Raptors ==

In the Plan several non-standard color Raptors appear. On Picon's harbor there appears a green white Raptor. On Caprica and also in Picon are emergency rescue Raptors colored red and white. The different colors could indicate other agencies using the Raptor. Indicating the Raptor is not for the Colonial Fleet exclusively.
--[[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 16:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

== War-era Raptor retired? ==

There's a line in the section about the B&C Raptor being retired before the end of the war, going off of the Razor Flashbacks. Should we really be treating the portions that didn't make it into the final movie as reliable, especially considering how much of them has already been overridden by B&C (like the last mission of the war being Adama's first time in combat, or the TOS-throwback uniforms, or the unchanged hangar deck and raptor design)?-- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 18:46, 22 November 2012 (EST)

:Even if you take their absence in Razor to mean there were absolutely none left on Galactica, it doesn't mean in any way that they'd been retired, all that can be discerned is what we see, i.e. that the other Raptor is in service. Real world example: F-18s are still in service alongside F-18Es. [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 03:37, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2012-11-19T08:24:48Z

YIIMM: /* Blood and Chrome */

Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br>
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)

It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment.
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)

Wait, wait, wait! In the episode, they showed a picture of the bridge crew of the Valkyrie that included Adama and Tigh. If they were simply assigned there for a single mission (and a covert one at that) they're not going to commemorate the occasion! Secondly, they wouldn't have assigned Tigh as well. The fewer people that knew about the mission, the better, plus there would be no reason to send another ship's XO. The Valkyrie is also described as Adama's last command before Galactica, which means that he was the commander of the ship, not an officer briefly assigned for a single mission. And why do you even have to ask if its a flashback? C'mon, people, its pretty obvious that it was!--Sci-fi Junkee

:Erm, note the date of this discussion. This was speculation before the episode aired. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:27, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Class / Type / Dimensions ==
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be — they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.

On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.

Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first — you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' — they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes — but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. — there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships
14,500 tons

CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard

CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships
56,300 tons

CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load

CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship
approx. 93,500 tons full load

CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full

CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load

CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project
100,000 tons

If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)

I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)

My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.
[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:I think ''Valkyrie'' is an intermediate design somewhere between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''. As far as size goes, I think its comparable in dimensions to ''Galactica'', and therefore slightly smaller than ''Pegasus''. If you use the width and length of the flight pods as a scale, then ''Valkyrie'' is very similar to the other battlestars we've seen. The perception of small size I think is due to the narrower engine pods and propulsion section in the rear. ''Galactica'' has the addtional four engines from a refit that make her rear end wider, and ''Pegasus'' had more engines to begin with. The width of the bow and the overall length of the ship is about the same for all three. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 02:41, 23 November 2006 (CST)
:It could just be Pegasus and Galactica where built for long-term combat operations and journeys where as the Valkyrie might not be designed for extended journeys, which is of course much more suitable to a covert operation. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:00, 23 November 2006 (CST)

The guns on the Valkyrie seem, to me, to be rail guns similar to those onboard the Galactica and Pegasus. These latter two have a larger "caliber" of cannon, but I think this could explain the firing of the missle and other types of ordance. Galactica and Pegasus can fire differing loads similtaniously, as opposed to Valkyrie. Now here's a question - I've noticed in some captures, what looks like the phaser emitters on the Enterprise-A, covering a number of areas of the Valkyrie. Could they be the AA guns?[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 18:00, 25 November 2006 (CST)
:You're referring to those hemisphereical blisters on the flight-pod connector spars, and elsewhere? If so, I think we haven't got enough information. I can't make out anything that might be gunbarrels on any of them, I haven't got any detailed enough shots of them.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)

I just did a quick measurement comparison to the Galactica and the Valkyrie. I compared the flightpod openings for width and found that the Vlakyrie would be roughly half as long as the Galactica IF the width is the same for all Battlestars, ie. for receiving the same types of craft (eg. Shuttles, Raptors and Vipers). [[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:07, 25 November 2006 (CST)
:I was just comparing the flight pods myself. I haven't had time to do anything particularly in-depth, but I looked at the landing strips relative to the width of the pods' foreward and aft openings. ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' both look like they've got another landing-strip's width to either side of the actual strip, and from what I recall, the strips on both ships are about the same size compared to Vipers. Assuming the ''strip'' on ''Valkyrie'' is the same size, then an eyeball estimate looks to me like there's about half a strip's width to either side of the landing strip on ''Valkyrie'', which would make it two thirds the width of the pods on ''Galactica''.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)

Ok my theory is that Valkyrie's main mission is patrol and if it finds something it sends a signal to a bigger ship and holds the threat off until a more powerful ship comes. Snorkel378

Okay, maybe I'm missin' something here, but where did you all get the idea that Valkyrie was smaller? We've got no real basis for comparison between the ships except the flight pods and the missile. The Missile looked about the same size compared to the Valkyrie as the missiles that Pegasus and Galactica have fired looked compared to them. And the views we have of the flight pods are so vague that there's nothing we can really assume based on them. I think that Valkyrie is roughly the same size as Pegasus or Galactica, and is most likely a newer model than Galactica, but a slightly older model than Pegasus, as it appears to have similar design features to both ships (it has the same engine setup and CIC as Pegasus, but the bow and flight pod design looks closer to Galactica-type ships).--[[User:Sci-fi Junkee|Sci-fi Junkee]]

:I think it's mainly the size of the gun turrets compared to the rest of the ship. If not smaller, it would have very large turrets --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:45, 25 February 2007 (CST)

Okay. Can we maybe get some pictures, cause that would help clear this whole mess up for me.--Sci-fi Junkee

First of all, you can't measure size from the shots in "Razor". Ever hear of a little thing called "perspective"? It can be very, very deceptive, especially when you consider that we don't really know how wide a viewing angle they used on the camera when rendering, etc. That's even without accounting for scale errors in CGI production, that happened more then once during the show.
Secondly, I'm not allowed to prove this statement - but I really do know what this ship looks like, how big it is, and how many engines it has. Let's just say I have access to certain materials that I'm not allowed to show or discuss where I got them.
But here are some facts: 1) Those 6 tubes below the pods are the only tubes on the ship. 2) Entrances to the tubes and the profile inside them are viper - shaped. They were intended for vipers, in fact. 3) Total ship's length is just below 700m. That's right, boys and girls - it's a pocket battlestar. That's why it only has 6 launch tubes (no, they were not meant for any never designed "specialist craft", that was total nonsense). 4) It has 4 engines, not 6. Always had. If you saw the underside on the model, you'd understand.
Now, like I said, I can't prove any of this because I'm not allowed to show the material that does prove it. You can choose to trust me or dismiss the above facts as ramblings of a fanboy trying to deceive the lot of you, for what purpose, I don't know. But do consider this - even at just below 700m in length, the flight pods are still big enough to service vipers. The turrets that were designed for this ship just fit the lower size in style. And finally, not every ship has to be a mile long godship to be cool. Not every class in a navy will be a juggernaut - you need support vessels, escort carriers, patrol ships, etc.

==Related Images==
I removed the image File:Valkyrie, Scorpion Shipyards.Jpg as when I look at the Valkyrie in the episode 'Heros' it is clear that the pics is not of a Va;kyrie typ battlestar, but is in fact a Galactica type (likely uprated) that is seen in dock at Scorpian Shipyards in 'Razor' [[User:Einar|Einar]] 1829 (PST), 26 March 2009

== Number / Designation? ==
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:In case you still don't know, as nobody replied, yes its 41. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:59, 23 November 2006 (CST)

== Miniseries appearance? ==
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)
[[Image:MysteryShip.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]
I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)
::I made a rough design for a page [[Five-engined vessel|here]]. What do people think? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 23 November 2006 (CST)
:::Looks good to me. I was going to point out the incorrect caption but it looks like you caught it.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 09:44, 23 November 2006 (CST)

== Bridge. ==

Yeah, I meant to say CIC. Must stop watching Star Trek...--[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]
:To be fair, when taking modern day nomenclature into account, its function is closer to a bridge. That's where a ship is steered from. The CIC is where all sensor information is collected and evaluated. In BSG they throw that together, but I kinda like that they use a different term for a change. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Surrviving Battlestars ==

Joe, how do you know ALL the other battlestars were destroyed?
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 21:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
: Well, for one, "[[Downloaded]]" made it clear that the Cylon's attack was an overwhelming success. Further, RDM's made some comments in the past to that effect. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Did RDM specifically say that there are definately NO other surrviving battlestars? Is it absolutely certain? I'm one of those people who still believes theres a possibility that another one may yet be found.[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 13:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Surviving Battlestars.

I know it's a fan favorite. Much BSG fan fic is based off off this Battlestar surviving, and that Battlestar surviving, but the truth is, even if there was another surviving ship, it wouldn't have access to the resources needed for long term survival. Hell, it's a miracle the ''Galactica'' and her fleet even survived, and after four years in space, they were on the brink of death. If it wasn't for the rebel Cylons, they would have died out (ignoring the "higher power" backstory). ''Galactica'' had the benefit of non-networked systems, a fleet to support her, and a (albeit finite) population to replenish her source of Viper jocks.

The Cylons achieved complete surprise over Colonial forces, and were able to sweep aside nearly 120 Battlestars and support ships in only a few minutes after attacking. The Battlestars over Caprica, docked at the fleet shipyards, huddled over Virgon, etc - all destroyed. No other Colonial Military units answered Adama's call to regroup at Ragnar. It's certain no others survived.

If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.

-- [[user:frylock86|Frylock86]]

==Notes on my edit==

1) the size of the launch tubes if valk is 1200m is somthing I haddent considered before. I hope that I have provided a good posible explination and have writen it in such a way so that it didn't seem 1 sided. If you plan to rewrite it please do so in a nutral way. The desiners made some mistakes with the valk and these launch tubes were one of them. They were probably just slaped on there to make it look diffrent and the desinger desided that having 3 looked the coolest.

2) The turret argument is starting to anoy me. There is no reason that galactica style turrets could not be used on the Valk, regardless of it's size. They could easly have been scaled to match the ships size. It is clear from hero that Valks turrets work in a diffrent way thus a diffrent desinge.

3) could someone please point out these "meny desinge features that surgest a smaller scale". In my view the evidence sugests a larger ship the visual evidence in razor right down to dialog about it Being a better comand have drawn me to this conclution.

4) Altogh I realize that there are only 4 engnies I do wish there 6 and have heard meany people clame that is the case, even with this evidence. I do not think that the posibleity of extra engnies that can't be seen should be ruled out. There could be some behined the flap.
[[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 13:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:1) The designers haven't made any mistakes, it's just that the ship doesn't work on the large scale everyone seems to be attributing to it.

2) Annoying or not, the turret argument is valid. Galactica's turrets couldn't have been used because a) they're too big,
b) they don't fit in style, and c) when scaled down they look very weird.

3) Only 6 launch tubes oriented in the same direction as the ship, that would be way too big for even raptors if the ship was over 1000m long. Redesigned turrets that fit smaller ships a lot better - which is exactly why the inhouse team designed them that way.

4) Extra engines can be ruled out, those really are flaps. What I can show you is a fan made model from sci-fi meshes: not sure where the author got the references to build it, but the model is reasonably accurate. Here's one pic from that thread, you can just see the flaps behind the engines.
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/16114-battlestar-valkyrie-51.html

::1) "The designers haven't made any mistakes" I believe they have: 4 engines, this doesn't make any scene, this would make the ship 'top heavy'. to propel the ship forward the trust needs to be along the center of mass, otherwise the ship would start spinning. This mistake has been made many times in BSG, most notisably with cloud 9. Almost ironicly 6 engines would fix this problem.
The flight pods (if the ship is at the small scale of 700m). They would be a weakness not an tactical advantage. With such a small fighter wing they become impractical. having one flight deck on the underside (like the ship beside beside Pegasus in razor) would make far more sense.

2) You just used a real world explanation to support a in universe argument! a) "they're too big", thats why you resize them. b) "they don't fit the style", the ones on the Mercury class would and they are ''very'' similar. c) "when scaled down they look very weird", have a look at this : [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Galactica/ES_Anala.png] this ship has Galacticas turrets on a smaller scale and they look fine.

3) "Only 6 launch tubes oriented in the same direction as the ship, that would be way too big for even raptors if the ship was over 1000m long." Thus the comment about lager spetialised ships. Also the triangle shape would be more structialy sound than ones shaped for raptors and at that size would fit

[[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 16:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that one larger pod would make more sense then two smaller ones. However you have to keep in mind that this is sci-fi, and sometimes (often, really) things aren't done so they're 100% realistic, they're done so they look good. Same argument goes for the engines number.
Bottom line - I wasn't saying what was more realistic, which I always find to be a completely pointless debate when discussing sci fi ships made of non existent materials, using non existent technologies (and designed by people who aren't aerospace engineers). Therefore I won't even comment the center of mass argument.
What I am saying is what the ship DOES really look like in the show, having had the opportunity to actually see it in far more detail then what was shown in razor or "Hero". And the Valkyrie there has 4 engines, is really small compared to Galactica, and has 6 forward facing launch tubes below the flight pods which are a lot smaller then Galactica's (since the entire ship is about as long as one single Galactica's pod).
They've also redesigned those turrets, not just to fit the different scale, but to fit the different style of the ship. Those old howitzer style BSG turrets were meant to look old, that's why they're on a ship that's a 1st war relic. Valkyrie, being much smaller and newer, clearly called for a new turret type to be designed.
Finally, I'm not sure what does that pic of the "escortstar" prove (I have to laugh at the name though - seriously, the "Anala"? Yeah the ship is ugly but to name it like that is just cruel), but I'm pretty sure it's not pertinent to this discussion.
First of all, it's non canon, so it doesn't prove a thing. Secondly, it doesn't look very modern (not like the Pegasus clearly looks like a more modern battlestar then the Galactica). Thirdly, it's a 2d drawing, not a 3d model, and it's a lot harder to gauge how well the turrets fit it that way. And finally, it's hideous. If that's a "realistic" ship and the Valkyrie is full of "design mistakes", I'll take the Valkyrie any day of the week and be happy with it.

:I never said that that was a good ship(personally I hate it. btw it is meant to be from near the end of the cylon war). it just proved that that type of gun can be scaled down. I never said that it don't believe you, in fact i'd say you have swayed me. However evidence given in the show does support the larger size (which i prefare). The large size shown in razor will have been a cgi blunder (like the oversized galactica type which could be explained as being a ship of this class: [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Galactica/Atlantia.png](it's meant to be a command version of the Galactica type) and in my own personal Battlestar world they would be a type of large Valkyrie types using advanced technology intended to compeat with the mercury class (built by a different company). When you come down to it the valk is still possibly the coolest design in the show.
[[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 18:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think we can finally agree no most of your points - I agree on everything except preferring the Valk bigger, I kinda think the smaller size makes it unique, different, special even. However I do agree it's one of the coolest designs there, and I'm very sorry they didn't find a way to use it more. Also, the apparently bigger scale in razor may just be a CGI blunder, it happened more then once during the course of the show. For me, she'll remain a pocket battlestar. Others can assume it's bigger and be happy with that - at least until (and if) they release official info on this ship. Since the show is over, it would be cool if they'd release a book containing all the less seen stuff in the show, this time rendered clearly an with official descriptions. Might even turn a few bucks on it - I know I'd buy it.

==New Pic==
the Valks type is back!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Board/bsg-ambush_fleet.jpg

It's from [[The Plan]]. [[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 17:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

*Just to add a bit more, here's a closer view of the ship in the foreground

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/yiimm/valk.png

It's ''Valkyrie'' herself. [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 03:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

*Here is a view of the ship from the underside, taken from "the Plan". Notice the Vipers that are close to the ship, and notice the launch tubes. They are viper shaped, and the vipers close to them seem to be just the right size to fit in. This picture should be enough to disprove the theory that the tubes are large and meant for some mystery craft never shown or mentioned in the show. The tubes are clearly for vipers. I sincerely hope people will now stop claiming this ship is extremely large, the size I gave before is correct (under 700m, about the size of the Galactica flight pod). These shots from "the Plan" should be enough proof for everyone. Not every ship needs to be miles long to be cool or useful. Apparently this type of ship is smaller but numerous, probably a mainstay of the fleet with larger ships like the Pegasus being more rare and taking the role of task force leaders. This is also supported by the fact that the Pegasus was commanded by a rear admiral, not a regular commander. Valkyrie's CO, Adama, held the rank of Commander at the time. I'm not going to edit the article with the correct size because it'll probably just get edited back by someone who insists the ship is longer based on counting pixels on a perspective screen cap that proves nothing. However I think the long discussion on the main page about the ship's size should be shortened. Her true size should be mentioned first, and other size estimation and the ways people got to them could follow after that. But she really is small, people - get over it.

http://i38.tinypic.com/71k1gk.jpg

r. A lot of people say these numbers are too small for a battlestar - consider that she is still twice the size of a Nimitz-class carrier that is able to carry 90 fighters which are all quite a bit larger than a viper. Her pod is almost the size of an Essex class carrier, and she has two of them. Sure she's no Pegasus, but still a capable light warship, a lot easier to mass produce and maintain.

=== Blood and Chrome ===

Curious to see the Valkyrie type in Blood and Chrome. Is there proof either way to discern what ship carries ''Valkyrie'''s name? -- [[User:frylock86|Frylock86]]

:Not beyond all doubt, but given the model used in that scene is the exact same one seen elsewhere and of the ~3 you see there one is far more prominent than the others [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 03:24, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Galactica type battlestar

2012-11-19T08:22:38Z

YIIMM: /* Overview */ changing caption: only Galactica in that photo is in the BAC configuration

:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this line are still in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]], however, were being retired in favor of the smaller [[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie Type]] line of Battlestars.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= Retired. [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|Survived]] by the Battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]].
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica'' in her original configuration ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while her defensive armaments ensure she is fully capable of both protecting herself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and her sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull, and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
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=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
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==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[Scattered]])]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|Galactica in her Cylon War outfit as seen in [[Blood and Chrome]].]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 (Post-war Peace Time Refit) or 40+ ([[First Cylon War]] outfit in [[Blood and Chrome]]) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are rail guns ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to her scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== Known Galactica type battlestars ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Athena (battlestar)#Athena (battlestar)|Athena]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her. This is the first time this class has been named by an official source and confirms that the Big G was not the first battlestar to be built.

== See also==
* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints from ''Battlestar Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

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Talk:Basestar (TRS)/Archive 1

2012-11-18T20:57:54Z

YIIMM: /* BAC vs razor */

I just registered 5 minutes ago, so be gentle...
Is there any reason why the references to BattleStar's and Raiders are neither capitalized, or links?

: Hi! Welcome to the Wiki -- I hope you have a blast here! :-) Anyway, to address your question, Battlestar can be spelled one of two ways ("Battlestar" or "battlestar"). ("BattleStar" is an incorrect spelling, by the way.) As for raiders, you can capitalize them or not; it's similar to writing the "stealth fighter" or "naval carrier" -- you can choose whether or not to capitalize the first letters of each word. As for the links, by default the first letter of any article is capitalized. Why? It's just how the software we use works. :-) Hope that answers your question! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:54, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I noticed that Kuralyov had a number of Talk entries regarding basestars. Was he just tweaking the language?

:Just redirects from the various names used to describe Basestars, so any newcomer will be better able to find it via search. [[User:68.9.113.183|68.9.113.183]] 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)
::Whoops, I was logged out for some reason when I posted that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Corrected minor spelling mistake - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 18 February, 2006

I'm not sure if the new bulleted list works or not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:39, 22 March 2006 (CST)

: Each bulleted segment refers to a specific instance of an encounter between depicted Colonial forces and (a) Cylon basestar(s). The section title of "Encounters With the Colonial Fleet", and the way that the material was structured when I initiated the edit, implied that this was a list of some kind, at least a loosely associated one. The material that was there was also grammatically sloppy, overly detailed in some areas, and vague in others. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::You did a good job re-editing it, I'm just "not sure" it's best to keep it as a bulleted list, I don't know if this would be "aesthetically pleasing" or whatever. Point is I'm not sure; I dunno, just bringing up the point; whatever you guys decide I'm fine with; wouldn't be a problem if it stays the way Hawke left it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:17, 23 March 2006 (CST)

== TOS Basestar ==

Can someone please add a some information about the original basestar.

: See the first line of the article, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

Question. If the Cylons rebelled against mankind (an open rebellion on all twelve colonies, with the Cylons previously having been servants of mankind) where did they get the resources, time, and infrastructure to build basestars? There would have to be massive shipyards to accommodate building them, and then it would probably take well over a year to build even one, which strikes me as being something hard to accomplish when you're busy serving mankind. Seems like mankind might notice?

[[User:UNATCO]] 04:30, 29 November 2006 (PST)
:In the original series the Cylons were no created by man and instead were made by an alient race. The original basestar seen in the miniseries is more liikely to be a homage rather than actual canon of their past. However even if it was the original war went on for a number of years. The cylons can been seen in paintings to be using swords, its not like they decided one day to build basestars and pummel into the colonials. It had also been many many years between the time when the Cylons left the colonies and the attack in the miniseries, plenty of time to build an army and basestars. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:45, 29 November 2006 (CST)

: It's possible that the basestars were created to be used by Cylons, since it's been hinted at that the Colonies were at war with one another prior to the Cylon rebellion. Also, this may very well address the question of how the battlestars came into existence as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:57, 29 November 2006 (CST)

== Image placement ==

So, rather than a revert war: I had shifted one of the images on this page to the left for balance. That's the scheme that's used on many character pages and I think it looks best. However, Bane Grievver seems to disagree but reverted without comment, so I'm soliciting one here. Any particular reason, Bane, or just because that's how it was before? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:I liked it your way, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I just made it what I'd imagine your way was in ignorance of the previous revert issue. I also added another image on the right, so hopefully that will remove any objection. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:01, 31 March 2006 (CST)

== 792? ==

Maybe I'm being dense, but how do you count the number of launch slots with such certainty? I could understand a Zoic source, I suppose, but just counting leaves me less sure. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:03, 31 March 2006 (CST)

:Isn't it from the official magazine? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:50, 29 November 2006 (CST)

::It's listed in the Official (now defunct) Magazine in the June/July issue. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:27, 29 November 2006 (CST)

:::Hey I have recently paused the dvd of Kobol's last gleaming at the point shown here: [[http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/9/95/Baseships_over_Caprica_II.jpg]] and I have done some counting and it comes out the same.... There are five 'Raider rows' and they get bigger by 2 each time.... The smallest has 19 'slots', the second 21, then 23 then 25 and finally 27.... This equals 115 raiders per 'lower arm' of a Basestar.... That means that if every arm had the same amount of slots then a Basestar (Before the recent ret-con) would have 690 Raiders..... Though I suspect that the arms that are the base of the Y shape would have more even rows with more raiders. Okay sorry if I am babbling but this is going somewhere! I was wondering if this should be mentioned somewhere in the article? And also if anyone could help me with a count of the Y base arm of a basestar that would be great, a time index for an episode would be great or a picture link! Also any help with finding out the numbers of a 'new' basestar would be great! Thanks! [[User:Armyoforigin|Armyoforigin]] 05:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC) I am adding something here as I have been re-checking all my assumptions... Well the picture here: [[http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/5/56/Change.jpg]] shows the 'upper' bays of a 'original' look and they have six rows of 28... If the lowwer rows are the same as the baseship from KLG then that gives me this.... 115 For the V parts of a basestar or 115 x 4 = 460 Raiders and 168 x 2 = 336 and tah dah = 460 + 336 = 796 And of course the only other calculation I have is just a random high end one.... It is that if the upper arm number displayed in the pic above was the same for every arm (l68 x 6) then a basestar would have 1,008 Raiders.... So yeah could you guys possibly give me some feedback? Also that 796 figure fits in quite snugly with the 792 figure of the official magazine.... no? [[User:Armyoforigin|Armyoforigin]] 08:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Images linked to in article==
As the wiki doesnt count the images linked in this article to be counted as being used I have thumbed them here so that they will not be deleted.
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:Placed images in new gallery feature so removed from Talk page --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 08:39, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

==Size==
Do Basestars really 'dwarf' Battlestars like the Pegasus and Galactica? Personally I think that they do, thats just the feel I get for them, but the truth is that I can't find any really good comparisons of a Battlestar and Basestar close togther. Theres a scene from Ressurectin Ship Pt. 2 where Apollo is drifting in space and you can see a Basestar and the two Battlestars, but the perspective is such that you can't really tell the size of them. Are theyre any concrete numbers on Basestar size, or at least some good comparisons?[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (CDT)

When Pegasus rams one in the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Pegasus actually appears noticeably larger in comparison, or at least in bulk. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:32, 25 November 2006 (CST) [[Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|Pegaus_Ram.jpg]]

In looking at the above image, just how is it that basestars "dwarf" battlestars as a whole (Galactica maybe, but not Pegasus)? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 14:03, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:I think the fact that there's debate should be enough to remove the word "dwarf", at least for the meantime. If the difference in size were that stark there'd be no debate.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 15:36, 26 November 2006 (CST)

==Heavy Raiders?==
Do we have proof that Basestars field Heavy Raiders? I don't really recall any Basestars launching Heavy Raiders. If I recall correctly, every time we've seen Heavy Raiders, they've been self powered. And as for Scattered, that Heavy Raider wasn't seen launching from the Basestar, and thusly could have come in under its own power. I'd suggest that until we see Heavy Raiders launching from Basestars, we don't take an assumption as fact. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:04, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Heavy Raiders, however, have been seen flying next to Basestars deep in space. I personally would assume that the Heavy Raider was launched from the Basestar itself rather than accompanied it all the way from the Cylon Homeworld --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:20, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::And, I think it's a good assumption, but I'm saying that we shouldn't take it as fact. I added a small note to the page saying Heavy Raiders are likely. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:24, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Actually, we do know they dock in Basestars. In KLGII, when Boomer and Racetrack land inside the Basestar Hangar, some of the Landing Bays neighbouring the one they dock on have Heavy Raiders in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:12, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
:No less then seven Heavy Raiders have been launched from a basestar in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 01:51, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Numbers==
I'm not sure, but did we ever get any comments on the size of the Cylon Fleet? Wasn't there a comment in a podcast or something, I think I recall it, but I am unsure. If anyone knows if they've mentioned numbers anywhere, I think it would be great for the article, since we can keep a "kill" count, or something. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:22, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

The exact number of Basestars is unknown, but I would place a guess of there being at '''least''' 50 of them. If the Cylons did decide the Colonial Fleet was superior to theirs, it might suggest there were at the least not enough Basestars to match the approx 120 Battlestars [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:24, 25 November 2006 (CST)

==Article Name==
Hey, we all know that the terms "Baseship" and "Basestar" are basically interchangeable, but I've noticed that in all the new season, everytime we hear the Cylons refer to their ships they call them "Baseships" and they've never called it "Basestar". Maybe, considering the actual creators use that term more, we should change the main article name to Baseship? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:14, 12 November 2006 (CST)
*For that matter, how many times have the colonials called it a "basestar"? If I recall, they haven't used it so much. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:The Cylons prefer "baseship," but we hear either from the Colonial's side. I don't think a move is particularly useful, especially when there are redirects for the same term, no matter what series. "Basestar" also works because of its RDM ship's star shape. As this is also a homage to TOS, best to leave it be. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:36, 12 November 2006 (CST)
::Well I was just thinking, maybe the article should have the "main name" that is used by it's creators. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:27, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its called a basestar because thats its original series name. Everyone knows its a basestar but we also know what the Cylons mean when they refer to a a baseship. Keep the name basestar imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:24, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::::True, but I found it odd that the only name the Cylons ever use is "Baseship", even if for us it's the same thing, the fact that they've never used the term "Basestar" made me wonder if perhaps these ships are mainly referred to as "Baseship", while "basestar" is a nickname also commonly associated, though not the actual name of the ship class. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:::::In the most recent podcasts RDM has definitely favored baseship over basestar. He seems to use them interchangably though, and baseship is a bit easier to say. I can't testify to the use of the word in-show, though a quick search of the episode transcripts could verify its use. Even with its prevalent "baseship" usage, "basestar"'s appeal lies in the consistency, whereas baseship is the word they're using right now. It might at least be worth a note in the article about the consistent usage of the newer term. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:40, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:It should be noted that, even in the original series, "baseship" and "basestar" were also used interchangably. The Colonials even use the term "Cylon battlestar" in one episode, as I recall, so nothing is really served by upsetting the status quo, since all the redirects are in place already. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)

Hey, I only bring this up again in light of what Bradley Thompson answered regarding the name of ships, and he actually included this ship in his answer:

:'''''"During the first season, we asked Mr. Eick for a decree on the subject: Are the Cylon vessels Base Ships or Base Stars? One word or two? He quite definitively stated that Base Ships was what they use. Of course, not everybody got the word and you'll hear both throughout the series."'''''

So it seems that the official term is "Base Ship", and that the only reason we here the other term sometimes is because the writers of some episodes were not aware of this information and used both terms.

I think that this official statement, coupled with the fact that Cylons always call their ship "Base Ship", should warrant a change in the article name. I know the words are basically interchangeable, but we should have the term that is the most official, no? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)
*Any Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)
**I know it might not seem like it matters that much, and I hate to appear anal but I do think we should go by the term that is the one they wanted to use, and would've used completely if all writers had been informed. It also gives us a chance to easier differentiate these from the old ones because their "Main Name" is different. And hence we only need to call it "Base Ship". --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:40, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::However, they are labeled "basestar" on DRADIS, at least as of "Exodus". -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 01:56, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:::I know, and they've been labelled "basestars" in other places (From Colonial point of view), but it has been quite noticeable that the Cylons themselves always call them "Base Ships", and as Ngarenn said, it is supposed to be "Base Ships", but since not all the writers heard this we might hear a different term now and then, but this is because of misinformation rather than anything else. That's why I think that, given the revelation that the "most official" term is "Base Ship", it's the one we should use, while the others serve as secondary. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::::Nevertheless, given the existence of both terms on the show, the current title is not invalid, and the argument that it serves as a useful point of comparison/reference with the vessel's counterpart in the original series may have merit. There is also the logistics of moving such a well-linked article, and the usages of "basestar" in other articles. I do see your point, but the problem may not be severe enough to warrant such a measure. -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 02:42, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:::::Well, we wouldn't have to change the name on every article, since the term is still basically the same, but we would only change the name on the article itself, with a little modification with the redirects but I think it would just be more...professional if we used it. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:50, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::::::We cannot "rid" ourselves of the use of "basestar" since the term has been used in RDM, although not often in recent episodes. Again, Joe's comment fits best here; the status quo serves best here. We already have redirects to all variations so, encyclopedically, all are served. I'm not against the use of "baseship" or "basestar" so long as an article uses them consistently. I am against the changing of the central article name for two reasons: confusion with its Original Series counterpart article as well as changing the name of a popular page. We could ask for a vote on this; but honestly we may be shooting ourselves in the foot over semantics. Remember that Battlestar Wiki works as an encyclopedia and we will mess things up by changing things about for small reasons. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:::::::Well no, I wouldn't go as far as ask for a vote, nor do I mind leaving it as "Basestar". I was simply wondering if we would not prefer the best use of the term to the one we've been hearing. We were given an official one, but it doesn't matter, we'll keep "Basestar", but I would ask that we start placing "Base Ship" if we can, though not actually go back and change things.....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:54, 21 December 2006 (CST)

=="Encounters With Colonial Fleet"==
Should we change the name of this section to "Appearances" since now that Baltar is over there we have a lot more on the Baseships without it necessarily being an encounter with the Colonial fleet. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:27, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== Basestar modifications ==

Should there be some mention of how all the basestars seen after "Exodus Part II" have a different appearance? Many details are different, such as the window pattern in the central hub, the hull pattern in the sections between the arms, more "pronounced" raider bays, and rows of what look like guns on the arms? -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 00:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:If we do, we should add it in a BTS section since the change isn't supposed to actually "happen". I asked Bradley Thomspon on the matter about a month ago [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques#New_Baseship_Design], and this is what he said-

: '''''"We're always upgrading the imagery (compare the Centurions from Season 1 to those of Season 3, for example). Gary Hutzel, Mike Gibson and the VFX crew decided to echo the internal design elements of the base ship on the exterior"'''''

:So it seems that the change is actually a retcon for the Base Ship appearance. They also seem to be smaller than the other Base Ships, which is why I wondered if maybe it was a new Base Ship model, but it seems it's just a retcon and they officially have always looked like this. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)

*Hey, I added the comment to the notes section. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== Original Basestar Update? ==

With the fascinating and nostalgic version of the Cylon War-era basestar as seen in the [[Razor Flashbacks]], we should update this article, with the classic basestar (with pic) shown chronologically with what we see there. Like its modern version of 40 years later, it is a gigantic missile platform and launches [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] (an article that also needs a similar update to this one). This information needs to be coordinated with the [[Basestar (TOS)]] and [[Raider (TOS)]] articles for comparison and disambiguation/contrast. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:28, 25 October 2007 (CDT)
: That's fine by me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 01:37, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

To be honest this page needs a major overhaul. It focuses far too much on battles and encounters with the Cylons. That whole part can be severely condensed or even cut entirely. The page doesn't have anything about the basestar interior. With the Baltar arc in Season 3 we have some information and pictures about that (better if we had DVD or iTunes caps). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

:I've completed the ''Razor'' additions, creating two sections for original and modern ships. I had originally removed the cleanup tag, but with Serenity's notes about the content, particularly the interior, I'll return it to warrant additional work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:20, 6 November 2007 (CST)

:: Great work! :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 10:27, 6 November 2007 (CST)

::Well, I removed the superfluous battle section already and the content is fine as it is now. I hope I'll have the time to add something about the interior soon though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:31, 6 November 2007 (CST)

== Hybrid's ship ==

Did anyone notice that the the first hybrid's ship in "Razor" looked conspicuously like a newer basestar? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 10:27, 6 November 2007 (CST)
:It looked like some weird mix of the TOS and RDM basestars. Note that the Hybrid also seems to be sentient and self-aware, unlike the 'modern' Hybrid we saw in "[[Torn]]". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:23, 6 November 2007 (CST)
::Yeah, it did. Plus regarding the hybrids: apparently the hybrids seem to have been abandoned, at least according to Sharon, so it makes me wonder whether or not any newer basestars have them aboard. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:36, 6 November 2007 (CST)
:::The "evolutionary dead-end" comment is interesting, as the Hybrids seem to be a logical stepping stone inbetween the bio-mechanical Raiders and the fully human-like Cylons. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:41, 6 November 2007 (CST)
::::I'm thinking that the Cylons under the first Hybrid were looking to be more bio-mechanical, cyborg like than their more organic successors. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:45, 6 November 2007 (CST)

== Organic Design ==

In Season 4 we see that the Rebel Faction's basestar is organic (which we assumed from Torn) in faith we see that where it's missing "limbs" used to be there are massive "wounds".

Also in "Guess whats coming to dinner" Natalie says the their basestar will Heal over time, maybe like the hive ships of the Wraith in SG-Atlantis. I'm going to mention this in the article.{{unsigned|Centurion}}

Yeah. It'd also be good to describe the interior of basestars generally in more detail now that we've seen [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

: There's also a pretty good size comparison of the basestar vs. the other ships in the Fleet, notably the ''[[Demetrius]]''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== BAC vs razor ==

is the BAC basestar a brand new design or is it the guardian basestar rotated on its axis? [[User:Psutherlin|Psutherlin]] 20:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)

: There are multiple classes of basestars, just as there are multiple classes of battlestars. (On a personal note, I find it funny that people think there was only ever one variant, and that is it.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:18, 17 November 2012 (EST)

::it's pretty clear there are a couple classes since at least two show up in BAC. i guess a better question is, what other dissimilarities are there between the two types seen in BAC and razor other than being rotated on their axes? based on the few glances we got in BAC they look awfully similar to me, but we never really get that great a look at the one in razor, so it's hard to tell. the one in razor looked a bit asymmetrical to me, but i don't know for sure. hence the question. [[User:Psutherlin|Psutherlin]] 14:53, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:::The BAC basestar, from what I can see, is a kitbash of the TOS basestar and the Guardian; it uses the saucer hulls of the former and the ''top'' arms of the latter.

:::So, ignoring the hull orientation, compared with the Guardian, the BAC basestar has a more substantial saucer section and is composed of two identical sections whereas the Guardian had a definite top and bottom (bottom half of which had far shorter arms) [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 15:57, 18 November 2012 (EST)

== Basestar Armaments==

On our site it reads: Since a basestar does not appear to have point-defense batteries...
And I never saw a Point defence turret. I would say if they have got point-defense batteries they would not be shy from using it like the batteries on the base on the Tyliumasteroid or the Colony.
Maybe it would be helpful if anyone can upload a copy of the "Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 57." because it can eventually solve the puzzle.
But:
At the battle of the Resurrection Hub (0:24:50) I can see a lot of explosions. Are this explosions missiles shot by raiders/Vipers, or missiles hit by other missiles? Or are this eventually '''Flak-missiles'''?
This explosions look like Flak explosions from ''Galactica'' or ''Pegasus'' (like a firework in the sky)--[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 05:00, 18 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Basestar (TRS)/Archive 1

2012-11-18T20:57:05Z

YIIMM: /* BAC vs razor */

I just registered 5 minutes ago, so be gentle...
Is there any reason why the references to BattleStar's and Raiders are neither capitalized, or links?

: Hi! Welcome to the Wiki -- I hope you have a blast here! :-) Anyway, to address your question, Battlestar can be spelled one of two ways ("Battlestar" or "battlestar"). ("BattleStar" is an incorrect spelling, by the way.) As for raiders, you can capitalize them or not; it's similar to writing the "stealth fighter" or "naval carrier" -- you can choose whether or not to capitalize the first letters of each word. As for the links, by default the first letter of any article is capitalized. Why? It's just how the software we use works. :-) Hope that answers your question! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:54, 14 Jun 2005 (EDT)

I noticed that Kuralyov had a number of Talk entries regarding basestars. Was he just tweaking the language?

:Just redirects from the various names used to describe Basestars, so any newcomer will be better able to find it via search. [[User:68.9.113.183|68.9.113.183]] 22:23, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)
::Whoops, I was logged out for some reason when I posted that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:24, 15 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Corrected minor spelling mistake - [[user:lordmutt|Lordmutt]] 18 February, 2006

I'm not sure if the new bulleted list works or not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:39, 22 March 2006 (CST)

: Each bulleted segment refers to a specific instance of an encounter between depicted Colonial forces and (a) Cylon basestar(s). The section title of "Encounters With the Colonial Fleet", and the way that the material was structured when I initiated the edit, implied that this was a list of some kind, at least a loosely associated one. The material that was there was also grammatically sloppy, overly detailed in some areas, and vague in others. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

::You did a good job re-editing it, I'm just "not sure" it's best to keep it as a bulleted list, I don't know if this would be "aesthetically pleasing" or whatever. Point is I'm not sure; I dunno, just bringing up the point; whatever you guys decide I'm fine with; wouldn't be a problem if it stays the way Hawke left it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:17, 23 March 2006 (CST)

== TOS Basestar ==

Can someone please add a some information about the original basestar.

: See the first line of the article, please. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:26, 17 January 2006 (EST)

Question. If the Cylons rebelled against mankind (an open rebellion on all twelve colonies, with the Cylons previously having been servants of mankind) where did they get the resources, time, and infrastructure to build basestars? There would have to be massive shipyards to accommodate building them, and then it would probably take well over a year to build even one, which strikes me as being something hard to accomplish when you're busy serving mankind. Seems like mankind might notice?

[[User:UNATCO]] 04:30, 29 November 2006 (PST)
:In the original series the Cylons were no created by man and instead were made by an alient race. The original basestar seen in the miniseries is more liikely to be a homage rather than actual canon of their past. However even if it was the original war went on for a number of years. The cylons can been seen in paintings to be using swords, its not like they decided one day to build basestars and pummel into the colonials. It had also been many many years between the time when the Cylons left the colonies and the attack in the miniseries, plenty of time to build an army and basestars. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:45, 29 November 2006 (CST)

: It's possible that the basestars were created to be used by Cylons, since it's been hinted at that the Colonies were at war with one another prior to the Cylon rebellion. Also, this may very well address the question of how the battlestars came into existence as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:57, 29 November 2006 (CST)

== Image placement ==

So, rather than a revert war: I had shifted one of the images on this page to the left for balance. That's the scheme that's used on many character pages and I think it looks best. However, Bane Grievver seems to disagree but reverted without comment, so I'm soliciting one here. Any particular reason, Bane, or just because that's how it was before? --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:30, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:I liked it your way, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I just made it what I'd imagine your way was in ignorance of the previous revert issue. I also added another image on the right, so hopefully that will remove any objection. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:01, 31 March 2006 (CST)

== 792? ==

Maybe I'm being dense, but how do you count the number of launch slots with such certainty? I could understand a Zoic source, I suppose, but just counting leaves me less sure. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:03, 31 March 2006 (CST)

:Isn't it from the official magazine? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:50, 29 November 2006 (CST)

::It's listed in the Official (now defunct) Magazine in the June/July issue. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:27, 29 November 2006 (CST)

:::Hey I have recently paused the dvd of Kobol's last gleaming at the point shown here: [[http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/9/95/Baseships_over_Caprica_II.jpg]] and I have done some counting and it comes out the same.... There are five 'Raider rows' and they get bigger by 2 each time.... The smallest has 19 'slots', the second 21, then 23 then 25 and finally 27.... This equals 115 raiders per 'lower arm' of a Basestar.... That means that if every arm had the same amount of slots then a Basestar (Before the recent ret-con) would have 690 Raiders..... Though I suspect that the arms that are the base of the Y shape would have more even rows with more raiders. Okay sorry if I am babbling but this is going somewhere! I was wondering if this should be mentioned somewhere in the article? And also if anyone could help me with a count of the Y base arm of a basestar that would be great, a time index for an episode would be great or a picture link! Also any help with finding out the numbers of a 'new' basestar would be great! Thanks! [[User:Armyoforigin|Armyoforigin]] 05:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC) I am adding something here as I have been re-checking all my assumptions... Well the picture here: [[http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/5/56/Change.jpg]] shows the 'upper' bays of a 'original' look and they have six rows of 28... If the lowwer rows are the same as the baseship from KLG then that gives me this.... 115 For the V parts of a basestar or 115 x 4 = 460 Raiders and 168 x 2 = 336 and tah dah = 460 + 336 = 796 And of course the only other calculation I have is just a random high end one.... It is that if the upper arm number displayed in the pic above was the same for every arm (l68 x 6) then a basestar would have 1,008 Raiders.... So yeah could you guys possibly give me some feedback? Also that 796 figure fits in quite snugly with the 792 figure of the official magazine.... no? [[User:Armyoforigin|Armyoforigin]] 08:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Images linked to in article==
As the wiki doesnt count the images linked in this article to be counted as being used I have thumbed them here so that they will not be deleted.
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<br/>--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:50, 3 April 2006 (CDT)
:Placed images in new gallery feature so removed from Talk page --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 08:39, 19 May 2006 (CDT)

==Size==
Do Basestars really 'dwarf' Battlestars like the Pegasus and Galactica? Personally I think that they do, thats just the feel I get for them, but the truth is that I can't find any really good comparisons of a Battlestar and Basestar close togther. Theres a scene from Ressurectin Ship Pt. 2 where Apollo is drifting in space and you can see a Basestar and the two Battlestars, but the perspective is such that you can't really tell the size of them. Are theyre any concrete numbers on Basestar size, or at least some good comparisons?[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (CDT)

When Pegasus rams one in the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Pegasus actually appears noticeably larger in comparison, or at least in bulk. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:32, 25 November 2006 (CST) [[Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|Pegaus_Ram.jpg]]

In looking at the above image, just how is it that basestars "dwarf" battlestars as a whole (Galactica maybe, but not Pegasus)? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 14:03, 26 November 2006 (CST)
:I think the fact that there's debate should be enough to remove the word "dwarf", at least for the meantime. If the difference in size were that stark there'd be no debate.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 15:36, 26 November 2006 (CST)

==Heavy Raiders?==
Do we have proof that Basestars field Heavy Raiders? I don't really recall any Basestars launching Heavy Raiders. If I recall correctly, every time we've seen Heavy Raiders, they've been self powered. And as for Scattered, that Heavy Raider wasn't seen launching from the Basestar, and thusly could have come in under its own power. I'd suggest that until we see Heavy Raiders launching from Basestars, we don't take an assumption as fact. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:04, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Heavy Raiders, however, have been seen flying next to Basestars deep in space. I personally would assume that the Heavy Raider was launched from the Basestar itself rather than accompanied it all the way from the Cylon Homeworld --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:20, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::And, I think it's a good assumption, but I'm saying that we shouldn't take it as fact. I added a small note to the page saying Heavy Raiders are likely. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:24, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Actually, we do know they dock in Basestars. In KLGII, when Boomer and Racetrack land inside the Basestar Hangar, some of the Landing Bays neighbouring the one they dock on have Heavy Raiders in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:12, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
:No less then seven Heavy Raiders have been launched from a basestar in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 01:51, 20 December 2006 (CST)

==Numbers==
I'm not sure, but did we ever get any comments on the size of the Cylon Fleet? Wasn't there a comment in a podcast or something, I think I recall it, but I am unsure. If anyone knows if they've mentioned numbers anywhere, I think it would be great for the article, since we can keep a "kill" count, or something. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:22, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

The exact number of Basestars is unknown, but I would place a guess of there being at '''least''' 50 of them. If the Cylons did decide the Colonial Fleet was superior to theirs, it might suggest there were at the least not enough Basestars to match the approx 120 Battlestars [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 20:24, 25 November 2006 (CST)

==Article Name==
Hey, we all know that the terms "Baseship" and "Basestar" are basically interchangeable, but I've noticed that in all the new season, everytime we hear the Cylons refer to their ships they call them "Baseships" and they've never called it "Basestar". Maybe, considering the actual creators use that term more, we should change the main article name to Baseship? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:14, 12 November 2006 (CST)
*For that matter, how many times have the colonials called it a "basestar"? If I recall, they haven't used it so much. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:44, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:The Cylons prefer "baseship," but we hear either from the Colonial's side. I don't think a move is particularly useful, especially when there are redirects for the same term, no matter what series. "Basestar" also works because of its RDM ship's star shape. As this is also a homage to TOS, best to leave it be. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:36, 12 November 2006 (CST)
::Well I was just thinking, maybe the article should have the "main name" that is used by it's creators. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:27, 12 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its called a basestar because thats its original series name. Everyone knows its a basestar but we also know what the Cylons mean when they refer to a a baseship. Keep the name basestar imo. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:24, 13 November 2006 (CST)
::::True, but I found it odd that the only name the Cylons ever use is "Baseship", even if for us it's the same thing, the fact that they've never used the term "Basestar" made me wonder if perhaps these ships are mainly referred to as "Baseship", while "basestar" is a nickname also commonly associated, though not the actual name of the ship class. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:::::In the most recent podcasts RDM has definitely favored baseship over basestar. He seems to use them interchangably though, and baseship is a bit easier to say. I can't testify to the use of the word in-show, though a quick search of the episode transcripts could verify its use. Even with its prevalent "baseship" usage, "basestar"'s appeal lies in the consistency, whereas baseship is the word they're using right now. It might at least be worth a note in the article about the consistent usage of the newer term. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:40, 13 November 2006 (CST)
:It should be noted that, even in the original series, "baseship" and "basestar" were also used interchangably. The Colonials even use the term "Cylon battlestar" in one episode, as I recall, so nothing is really served by upsetting the status quo, since all the redirects are in place already. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)

Hey, I only bring this up again in light of what Bradley Thompson answered regarding the name of ships, and he actually included this ship in his answer:

:'''''"During the first season, we asked Mr. Eick for a decree on the subject: Are the Cylon vessels Base Ships or Base Stars? One word or two? He quite definitively stated that Base Ships was what they use. Of course, not everybody got the word and you'll hear both throughout the series."'''''

So it seems that the official term is "Base Ship", and that the only reason we here the other term sometimes is because the writers of some episodes were not aware of this information and used both terms.

I think that this official statement, coupled with the fact that Cylons always call their ship "Base Ship", should warrant a change in the article name. I know the words are basically interchangeable, but we should have the term that is the most official, no? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)
*Any Thoughts? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)
**I know it might not seem like it matters that much, and I hate to appear anal but I do think we should go by the term that is the one they wanted to use, and would've used completely if all writers had been informed. It also gives us a chance to easier differentiate these from the old ones because their "Main Name" is different. And hence we only need to call it "Base Ship". --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:40, 21 December 2006 (CST)

::However, they are labeled "basestar" on DRADIS, at least as of "Exodus". -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 01:56, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:::I know, and they've been labelled "basestars" in other places (From Colonial point of view), but it has been quite noticeable that the Cylons themselves always call them "Base Ships", and as Ngarenn said, it is supposed to be "Base Ships", but since not all the writers heard this we might hear a different term now and then, but this is because of misinformation rather than anything else. That's why I think that, given the revelation that the "most official" term is "Base Ship", it's the one we should use, while the others serve as secondary. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:20, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::::Nevertheless, given the existence of both terms on the show, the current title is not invalid, and the argument that it serves as a useful point of comparison/reference with the vessel's counterpart in the original series may have merit. There is also the logistics of moving such a well-linked article, and the usages of "basestar" in other articles. I do see your point, but the problem may not be severe enough to warrant such a measure. -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 02:42, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:::::Well, we wouldn't have to change the name on every article, since the term is still basically the same, but we would only change the name on the article itself, with a little modification with the redirects but I think it would just be more...professional if we used it. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 02:50, 21 December 2006 (CST)
::::::We cannot "rid" ourselves of the use of "basestar" since the term has been used in RDM, although not often in recent episodes. Again, Joe's comment fits best here; the status quo serves best here. We already have redirects to all variations so, encyclopedically, all are served. I'm not against the use of "baseship" or "basestar" so long as an article uses them consistently. I am against the changing of the central article name for two reasons: confusion with its Original Series counterpart article as well as changing the name of a popular page. We could ask for a vote on this; but honestly we may be shooting ourselves in the foot over semantics. Remember that Battlestar Wiki works as an encyclopedia and we will mess things up by changing things about for small reasons. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:::::::Well no, I wouldn't go as far as ask for a vote, nor do I mind leaving it as "Basestar". I was simply wondering if we would not prefer the best use of the term to the one we've been hearing. We were given an official one, but it doesn't matter, we'll keep "Basestar", but I would ask that we start placing "Base Ship" if we can, though not actually go back and change things.....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:54, 21 December 2006 (CST)

=="Encounters With Colonial Fleet"==
Should we change the name of this section to "Appearances" since now that Baltar is over there we have a lot more on the Baseships without it necessarily being an encounter with the Colonial fleet. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:27, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== Basestar modifications ==

Should there be some mention of how all the basestars seen after "Exodus Part II" have a different appearance? Many details are different, such as the window pattern in the central hub, the hull pattern in the sections between the arms, more "pronounced" raider bays, and rows of what look like guns on the arms? -- [[User:Kingfisher|Kingfisher]] 00:55, 21 December 2006 (CST)
:If we do, we should add it in a BTS section since the change isn't supposed to actually "happen". I asked Bradley Thomspon on the matter about a month ago [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:Official_Communiques#New_Baseship_Design], and this is what he said-

: '''''"We're always upgrading the imagery (compare the Centurions from Season 1 to those of Season 3, for example). Gary Hutzel, Mike Gibson and the VFX crew decided to echo the internal design elements of the base ship on the exterior"'''''

:So it seems that the change is actually a retcon for the Base Ship appearance. They also seem to be smaller than the other Base Ships, which is why I wondered if maybe it was a new Base Ship model, but it seems it's just a retcon and they officially have always looked like this. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:30, 21 December 2006 (CST)

*Hey, I added the comment to the notes section. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 01:36, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== Original Basestar Update? ==

With the fascinating and nostalgic version of the Cylon War-era basestar as seen in the [[Razor Flashbacks]], we should update this article, with the classic basestar (with pic) shown chronologically with what we see there. Like its modern version of 40 years later, it is a gigantic missile platform and launches [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] (an article that also needs a similar update to this one). This information needs to be coordinated with the [[Basestar (TOS)]] and [[Raider (TOS)]] articles for comparison and disambiguation/contrast. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:28, 25 October 2007 (CDT)
: That's fine by me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 01:37, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

To be honest this page needs a major overhaul. It focuses far too much on battles and encounters with the Cylons. That whole part can be severely condensed or even cut entirely. The page doesn't have anything about the basestar interior. With the Baltar arc in Season 3 we have some information and pictures about that (better if we had DVD or iTunes caps). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

:I've completed the ''Razor'' additions, creating two sections for original and modern ships. I had originally removed the cleanup tag, but with Serenity's notes about the content, particularly the interior, I'll return it to warrant additional work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:20, 6 November 2007 (CST)

:: Great work! :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 10:27, 6 November 2007 (CST)

::Well, I removed the superfluous battle section already and the content is fine as it is now. I hope I'll have the time to add something about the interior soon though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:31, 6 November 2007 (CST)

== Hybrid's ship ==

Did anyone notice that the the first hybrid's ship in "Razor" looked conspicuously like a newer basestar? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 10:27, 6 November 2007 (CST)
:It looked like some weird mix of the TOS and RDM basestars. Note that the Hybrid also seems to be sentient and self-aware, unlike the 'modern' Hybrid we saw in "[[Torn]]". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:23, 6 November 2007 (CST)
::Yeah, it did. Plus regarding the hybrids: apparently the hybrids seem to have been abandoned, at least according to Sharon, so it makes me wonder whether or not any newer basestars have them aboard. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:36, 6 November 2007 (CST)
:::The "evolutionary dead-end" comment is interesting, as the Hybrids seem to be a logical stepping stone inbetween the bio-mechanical Raiders and the fully human-like Cylons. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:41, 6 November 2007 (CST)
::::I'm thinking that the Cylons under the first Hybrid were looking to be more bio-mechanical, cyborg like than their more organic successors. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:45, 6 November 2007 (CST)

== Organic Design ==

In Season 4 we see that the Rebel Faction's basestar is organic (which we assumed from Torn) in faith we see that where it's missing "limbs" used to be there are massive "wounds".

Also in "Guess whats coming to dinner" Natalie says the their basestar will Heal over time, maybe like the hive ships of the Wraith in SG-Atlantis. I'm going to mention this in the article.{{unsigned|Centurion}}

Yeah. It'd also be good to describe the interior of basestars generally in more detail now that we've seen [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

: There's also a pretty good size comparison of the basestar vs. the other ships in the Fleet, notably the ''[[Demetrius]]''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== BAC vs razor ==

is the BAC basestar a brand new design or is it the guardian basestar rotated on its axis? [[User:Psutherlin|Psutherlin]] 20:46, 17 November 2012 (EST)

: There are multiple classes of basestars, just as there are multiple classes of battlestars. (On a personal note, I find it funny that people think there was only ever one variant, and that is it.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 23:18, 17 November 2012 (EST)

::it's pretty clear there are a couple classes since at least two show up in BAC. i guess a better question is, what other dissimilarities are there between the two types seen in BAC and razor other than being rotated on their axes? based on the few glances we got in BAC they look awfully similar to me, but we never really get that great a look at the one in razor, so it's hard to tell. the one in razor looked a bit asymmetrical to me, but i don't know for sure. hence the question. [[User:Psutherlin|Psutherlin]] 14:53, 18 November 2012 (EST)

:::The BAC basestar, from what I can see, is a kitbash of the TOS basestar and the Guardian; it uses the saucer hulls of the former and the ''top'' arms of the Guardian.

:::So, ignoring the hull orientation, compared with the Guardian, the BAC basestar has a more substantial saucer section and is composed of two identical sections whereas the Guardian had a definite top and bottom (bottom half of which had far shorter arms) [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 15:57, 18 November 2012 (EST)

== Basestar Armaments==

On our site it reads: Since a basestar does not appear to have point-defense batteries...
And I never saw a Point defence turret. I would say if they have got point-defense batteries they would not be shy from using it like the batteries on the base on the Tyliumasteroid or the Colony.
Maybe it would be helpful if anyone can upload a copy of the "Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 57." because it can eventually solve the puzzle.
But:
At the battle of the Resurrection Hub (0:24:50) I can see a lot of explosions. Are this explosions missiles shot by raiders/Vipers, or missiles hit by other missiles? Or are this eventually '''Flak-missiles'''?
This explosions look like Flak explosions from ''Galactica'' or ''Pegasus'' (like a firework in the sky)--[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 05:00, 18 November 2012 (EST)

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== Valkyrie ==

There is only one Battlestar Valkyrie. The Galactica type Battlestar seen is unnamed. --[[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

::If you look at the episode, when they are travelling in the fleet they look out one side of the viper while talking about Valkyrie. All the shots are consistent in showing that there is only one battlestar on this side, the Galatica type. Thus there must be two Valkyries, one in the cylon war, and one years later of a different class. The Valkyrie types seen are un-named, the Galactica type is named "''Valkyrie''". [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 21:22, 17 November 2012 (EST)

:::There has to be some way to clarify this. The crew of the Raptor was also looking up - towards the small Valkyrie type above them. The presence of the Valkyrie type is already enough to err on the side of caution...? --[[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

::::When they start off talking the Galactica type is above and to their right, by the time they stop talking about the Loki they are parallel to the Galactica types top. At no point are they to the right of any Valkyrie type and (even they there is a Brezerk class in the way at one point) they are looking in roughly the right direction for the Galactica type the entire time that they are talking about it. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 21:43, 17 November 2012 (EST)

:::::Is there a way to just combine both ships into one page, similar to the ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Colombia]]'' page? That way we don't have separate pages for both ships. It seems odd having (Second Cylon War) written at the top. --[[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

::::::There definitely is, I just feel that the new one deserves its one page while the first one doesn't really. The options we have are:
::::::*Put them in the same page like Columbia (I think this would look quite messy due to not enough text to match the size of the info box for the first one and that one logically being first).
::::::*Two separate pages with ([first/second] cylon war).
::::::*The current solution.
::::::*move the second valk page back to its original name and have a dis note saying that this is the second valk and linking to either the list of battlestars #valkyrie page or to the page on the original (My preference).
::::::[[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 22:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)

:::::::Is there a consensus? Having the odd title make the Valkyrie page an odd man out from the rest of the entries. --[[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

::::::::''Valkyrie'' should really be one page, sectioned off like ''[[Columbia (RDM)]]'' is. Also, in the future, it would be advisable to discuss such changes first on the appropriate talk page before executing them on a whim (even if they are well intentioned). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:40, 18 November 2012 (EST)
::::::::<br/>
:::::::::I disagreed with Phalanx-a-pedian and he is wrong. The Valkyire is not a Galactica-type Battlestar. Because when they are talking, Adama is looking up toward the Valkyrie-type that is above Raptor 909. At no time does he look to the side to where the unnamed Galactica-type Battlestar is located. The last shot we seen of the Raptor and 2 Vipers show then almost beside the Berzek, which is blocking the unnamed Galactica-type Battlestar. Then it show the cockpit and Adama is looking up and talking about the Valkyrie. I think it make more sense to assumed that the Valkyrie is the same class till evidence present it not.

:::::::::Also, the title of the page shouldn't be Valkyrie (Second Cylon War) as the recon mission happen before the start of the Second Cylon War. Maybe it should be either Valkyrie or Valkyrie (Valkyrie-type Battlestar). {{unsigned|Allenknott3}}

:::::::::I agree with Allenknott3; I think it'd be extremely bizarre for them to put the Valkyrie model into that shot and mention it by name if it wasn't supposed to be the one seen in Hero. Although it might be very slight conjecture claiming that they're the same ship, it's even bigger conjecture to claim it was the Galactica type instead. [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 13:19, 18 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Unnamed Colonial vessels/Archive 1

2012-11-16T23:55:19Z

YIIMM: /* Suggestion to rename article */

Talk:Unnamed Colonial vessels/Archive 1

2012-11-16T23:55:03Z

YIIMM: /* Two Galactica Types at Shipyards? */