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<p>Xlynx: present tense; the show has been made therefore it _is_</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Water Caprica City.jpg|150px|left|Caprica City in ''Battlestar Galactica'']]<br /> ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' is a series, [[spin-off|spun-off]] from the [[Re-imagined Series]] that is set 58 years in the show's past on a pre-[[Cylon War]] [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Whilst being set in the ''Battlestar Galactica'' universe, the show is more a family drama than space opera, following the [[Graystone]] and [[Adama#The Adama family|Adama]] families and the invention of the intelligent machines known as the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cybernetic Life-Form Node]] (Cylon).</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Number_One&diff=178532 2009-04-08T23:30:02Z

<p>Xlynx: /* &quot;John&quot; and the Final Five */ the hub</p> <hr /> <div>{{Character Data<br /> |photo=Pensieve One.jpg<br /> |age=<br /> |colony=<br /> |birthname=<br /> |callsign=<br /> |seen= Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I<br /> |death=Suicide ([[Daybreak, Part II]])<br /> |parents=Claimed as a child by [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> |siblings= <br /> |children=<br /> |marital status=<br /> |role= Cylon infiltrator, lay clergy<br /> |rank=<br /> |actor= [[Dean Stockwell]]<br /> |cylon= y<br /> |name= John Cavil<br /> }}<br /> &quot;'''Number One'''&quot; is the first of eight [[humanoid Cylon]] models created by the [[Final Five]] for the [[Cylon Centurion| Centurions]] following the [[Cylon War|first Cylon war]]. The Final Five referred to him as John, and he was created in the image of [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen Tigh's]] biological father.<br /> <br /> One of the Number Ones, prior to being discovered among the Fleet, posed as '''[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Clergy|Brother Cavil]]''', a member of the Colonial clergy. However, contrary to his assumed role, he did not share the other Cylons' [[Cylon Religion|religious beliefs]] and frequently mocked them.<br /> <br /> == &quot;John&quot; and the Final Five ==<br /> <br /> After the [[Final Five]] contacted the Centurions, they agreed to create humanoid Cylons and share resurrection technology with them in exchange for an end to the [[Cylon War]]. The first humanoid Cylon created by the Final Five was &quot;John&quot;, named after and created in the likeness of [[Ellen Tigh]]'s biological father. He was &quot;treasured&quot; by the Five, and even assisted them in the creation of the other seven models. <br /> <br /> John grew intensely jealous of [[Daniel]], the seventh model, because Daniel was emotionally favored by Ellen. John sabotaged the Sevens' genetic code and amniotic fluid, wiping out the entire line permanently. <br /> He later trapped the Final Five in a room, suffocated them, and [[boxing|boxed]] them before they could be resurrected fully. Sometime after, he obscured their original memories, gave them false ones, and planted each of them &quot;like a [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]&quot; among the humans in an effort to teach them a lesson about their foolish appreciation for humans. This plan backfires when The Five become even more sympathetic towards the colonials, a fate that is eventually sealed with the destruction of the [[Resurrection Hub|resurrection hub]]. Without The Hub, The Five can no longer regain their original memories, thus remaining colonials and enemies with John. Although The Five still unconsciously possess their lost memories, if any of The Five were to die resurrection technology would be lost forever.<br /> John also corrupted the memories of his six surviving &quot;sibling&quot; models to remove from them the knowledge of the Final Five's identities and programmed them not to think about the matter, though they still knew that another five models were extant. John was extremely contemptuous of many of the human traits the Five gave him. He eliminated his need for sleep and dreaming by rewriting his own software.<br /> <br /> ==''Galactica'' Copy==<br /> <br /> On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', the first viewed copy of Brother Cavil provides counsel for [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] after Tyrol's maddened attack against [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]. Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from the fear that he could be a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]]. This Cavil seems to be personally very familiar with Tyrol and is apparently aware that Henderson harbors romantic feelings for him ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). (Later analysis of Cavil's nature, from behavior in season 3 and 4 episodes, suggests that Cavil's comments were aimed to incite torment in Tyrol.)<br /> <br /> A somewhat eccentric figure, Cavil is a surprisingly harsh critic of prayer for a Brother, but claims to have been preaching &quot;longer than you [Tyrol] have been sucking down oxygen&quot; ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). This claim is patently false, as Tyrol is among Cavil's creators.<br /> <br /> Despite his cynicism, Cavil prays with [[Laura Roslin]] for her re-election to the presidency to be successful. When Tyrol deduces the Caprica copy of him as a Cylon, Cavil is thrown in the brig along with his copy. He is later ejected through an airlock along with his copy (deleted scene). Due to the loss of the [[Resurrection Ship]], his death is presumed to be final ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ==Caprica Copy==<br /> [[Image:Cyca2.jpg|left|thumb|Caprican Cavil]]<br /> A second copy of this model emerges from the crew of resistance members rescued by the Caprica [[SAR]] team, telling them that the Cylons had left the Colonies. What he does not tell them — until Tyrol blew his cover upon his arrival at ''Galactica'' — is that he is a Cylon. <br /> <br /> Due to this copy's discovery, the Fleet copy is arrested as well and thrown in ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'''s brig. Laura Roslin orders them ejected into space after Caprica-Cavil informs her and Admiral Adama that the Cylons had made two mistakes: the attack on the Colonies and the pursuit of the [[the Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). Due to the loss of the Resurrection Ship, his death is presumed to be final. Though their execution is not shown, a later conversation indicates that they were executed ([[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|deleted scene]]).<br /> <br /> Like his Fleet counterpart, the Caprica copy also expresses doubt in the active involvement of divine forces in the real world, although he focuses his contempt on the Cylon religion. He says that &quot;There is no [[God (RDM)|God]]&quot;, something that the Ones have been telling the other Cylons for years, though he acknowledges that God's existence or nonexistence can't actually be proven. Based on his conversation with the Fleet copy, this viewpoint appears to be shared between at least these two copies, and possibly across the entire model.<br /> <br /> ==New Caprica Copies==<br /> [[Image:Brother Cavil Shades.jpg|thumb|right|A Cavil on New Caprica]]<br /> <br /> At least two Ones are present in the invasion fleet on New Caprica, as seen in &quot;[[Occupation]]&quot; and &quot;[[Precipice]].&quot; They have some authority over humans in detainment, as [[Ellen Tigh]] is able to use sexual favors to bribe another into releasing [[Saul Tigh]]. This may have been a self-serving ruse, because after a second sexual encounter, One says to her of Saul, &quot;When's his next meeting with the insurgents?&quot; and &quot;We know he's their leader - why do you think we let him out of detention?&quot; Ellen replies, &quot;I thought it was because of the 'twist'&quot;, referring to a sex act, and One says, &quot;Oh, yes, that too.&quot;<br /> <br /> Two copies are also involved in the Cylon leaders' discussions such as whether to kill [[Gaius Baltar]].<br /> <br /> Another copy also acts as a type of liaison between the [[New Caprica Police|NCP]] and their Cylon masters. He gives [[Jammer]] the list of Colonials to detain, and later accompanies the NCP to the site of a mass execution of Colonial Detainees ([[Occupation]]).<br /> <br /> The NCP liaison version is critically wounded during an attack by the Resistance movement. One is left with a bullet wound to the stomach and is left to die after the detainees are liberated. He resorts to suicide by severing his [[w:carotid artery|carotid artery]] with a spent casing. He [[Resurrection (RDM)|downloads]] into a new body for the third time; an experience that, as he explains, is similar to having a white hot poker slammed through his skull ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> Shortly before her death, [[Ellen Tigh]] descibes the One she seduced as the one &quot;in charge&quot; of the Detention Facility ([[Exodus, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> ==Basestar Command Copies==<br /> [[Image:CavHap2.jpg|thumb||left|Cylon Diplomat]]<br /> After the Cylon fleet arrives at the [[algae planet]], a Cylon negotiation team negotiates a meeting on ''Galactica'', which consists of [[Gaius Baltar]], [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], a [[Number Three]], and a Number One. The One ad-libs during the discussion, personally suggesting that the Cylons will hand over Baltar to the Colonials as part of the negotiation (&quot;to sweeten the pot&quot;).<br /> <br /> Later, a One (likely the same one) argues that they should destroy ''Galactica'' now and be rid of them for good. He thinks it does not matter if the Cylons find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] in five days or five thousand years, saying that they can last forever, whereas the Colonials can't. He then determines Admiral Adama's claim that he will nuke the temple is a bluff even as ''Galactica'' preps its missile launchers ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br /> <br /> Another copy greets Number Three when she resurrects on a Resurrection Ship and informs her of the decision to box her model. She replies that someday he will know the truth of the [[Final Five]] like she does just before he removes the device storing her consciousness. Other Cavils are shown boxing other Number Threes all over the room in the Resurrection Ship ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> ===Faction Leader Copy===<br /> :''Owing to the identical nature of the Ones, the singular copy referred to below may actually be several different copies. Furthermore this copy could be the same as one discussed above, although there is no particular indication this is the case.''<br /> <br /> In &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot; a Number One model, consistently referred to as &quot;Cavil&quot;, despite the egalitarian and democratic principles of Cylon command, exudes an definite sense of assumed authority. As of such, he appears to be the ''de facto'' leader of one side of the [[Cylon Civil War|schism]] between the Cylons, composed of Ones, [[Four]]s, [[Five]]s, and [[Sharon Valerii]], opposed to the [[Number Two|Twos]], [[Number Six|Sixes]] and [[Number Eight|Eights]] loyal to [[Natalie]]. His is among the first blood shed in the Cylon Civil War, as Natalie has the [[Telencephalic inhibitor|self-aware]] [[Centurions]] (a concept Cavil is horrified by) attack. He initially appears to be forgiving, negotiating generous terms of truce with the rebels, although this is turns out to be a ploy for a devastating ambush, one which he justifies: &quot;they started it&quot;. <br /> <br /> Cavil is in a romantic relationship with Valerii, although the nature of it is odd, he condescendingly refers to her as his &quot;pet Eight&quot; ([[The Hub]]). He has been holding Ellen Tigh prisoner ever since she was killed by her husband and resurrected ([[No Exit]]).<br /> <br /> This copy is killed by [[Number Three]] after he [[boxing|un-boxes]] her to try to convince her to get the rebels to stop. She breaks his neck when she learns of the attack on the Hub, believing that he won't have time to resurrect before it is destroyed ([[The Hub]]).<br /> <br /> It is likely that she was wrong, as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] brings a kidnapped Hera to a Number One which seems to be the same Cavil. He may have had to time to resurrect before the Hub was destroyed contrary to what D'Anna thought. It is equally possible that this is a different copy entirely, as they seem to share similar personalities. Regardless, this copy, alongside a [[Simon]], runs many tests on the child. ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]). <br /> <br /> He is later seen with Boomer and Hera in [[The Colony]], and remarks upon how Hera &quot;holds the key to their survival somewhere in her genetic code&quot;. ([[Daybreak, Part I]])<br /> <br /> During the attack on [[The Colony]], Cavil invades the ''Galactica'' CIC to take back Hera Agathon. He agrees to hand her over to the Colonials in exchange for the secret of Resurrection, and backs down. His trademark sarcasm surfaces when he is impatient with the Final Five, saying they're &quot;keeping two civilizations waiting&quot;. When [[Tyrol]] attacks and kills [[Tory Foster]], he takes this as a sign of aggression, attacking the Colonials. When his attack fails, he swears and puts a gun in his mouth, committing suicide. Many other Number One copies died with him when The Colony falls into the black hole it was orbiting and is destroyed. ([[Daybreak, Part II]])<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear: both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Analysis==<br /> In &quot;[[Occupation]]&quot; and &quot;[[Precipice]]&quot;, the Ones are the most ''outwardly'' [[w:sadism|sadistic]] and cruel to humans, appearing to take pleasure (or at least a noticeable level of amusement) in their own acts of psychological and physical cruelty. They are even described by one of their creators, [[Ellen Tigh]], as being sadists. The Ones like toying with the idea of liquidating the human population on New Caprica as a solution to the Resistance, to &quot;perhaps a more manageable number. Say, less than a thousand.&quot;<br /> <br /> The Ones are described as being driven by base emotions, principally anger and jealousy ([[No Exit]]). They try to hide behind a facade of genial yet sarcastic superiority, but when situations move beyond their control they often lash out in rage, abandoning any pretence of civility. The Ones are a vindictive model; even their creators do not escape their anger and wrath. They specifically torture the [[Final Five]] psychologically and physically as a means of exacting &quot;justice&quot; for perceived slights against them. In conversation with the other Cylons, Ones are vocal and callous proponents of harsh measures against the [[New Caprica Resistance]] and are strong advocates of mass executions.<br /> <br /> Though apparently [[w:Atheism|atheistic]], the first two known copies of this model pose as clergy. possibly as an intentional mockery of religion on their part. The Cavils on [[New Caprica]] often speak of &quot;God&quot; sarcastically when among other Cylons but seem to recognize the pragmatic aspects of religion, referring to the Cylon &quot;plan&quot; as &quot;God's Plan.&quot; The Cavil who lead the main Cylon faction against the rebel faction is also implied to possess more personal knowledge than other Cylons as the nature of the Cylon god and possibly the Final Five. He plays a &quot;gatekeeper&quot; role, and refers to &quot;God&quot; as &quot;the voice of reason.&quot;<br /> <br /> With the Cylons apparently occupying [[New Caprica]] at the end of the [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]], it appears that the Ones on ''Galactica'' are either lying about the Cylon change of heart or the Cylon plans changed after the second Number One was captured on ''Galactica''.<br /> <br /> &quot;[[Exodus, Part I]]&quot; reveals that a Number One unit, the leader of the execution squad intercepted by the Resistance and who died there (his third death), experienced increasing head pain with each resurrection.<br /> <br /> Several comments Number One makes in the episode &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot; indicate that he has some deeper knowledge of the Centurions than the rest of the Cylons do. This is because the Ones are the eldest of the eight Colonial-era Humanoid Cylons, the firsts ones to be created by the [[Final Five]]. They played a key role in helping the Five create both their seven brother and sister models and the advanced Centurions and Raiders.<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> *The word ''cavil'' is a noun and verb involving an irrelevant or trivial point made during an argument or discussion; synonyms include ''quibble'' and ''carp.'' (&lt;span class=&quot;plainlinks&quot;&gt;[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cavil Dictionary Reference]&lt;/span&gt;)<br /> *Cavil's numerical designation isn't revealed until the episode &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot; in Season Four and his given name &quot;John&quot; is not revealed until &quot;[[No Exit]]&quot;, also of Season Four.<br /> *Cavil is also revealed in &quot;No Exit&quot; to have been, among other things, the anonymous stranger who placed an unconcious [[Ellen Tigh]] aboard the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. His copy on Caprica was a member of Sam's resistance fighters, which is why his sudden appearance in &quot;Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II&quot; was not remarked on with surprise.<br /> <br /> {{Dead Characters}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Characters]]<br /> [[Category:Characters (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Recurring Guest Characters (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> {{quality candidate}}<br /> <br /> [[de:Cavil]]<br /> [[fr:Cavil]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Daybreak,_Part_II&diff=178420 2009-04-06T15:32:32Z

<p>Xlynx: while a beautiful quote, it needent be in the article twice.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Message_box<br /> | image = BSG WIKI Caution.png<br /> | heading = CONTRIBUTORS: Remember that an episode summary is just that, a ''summary''. '''Don't use the article to ask questions that you haven't bothered to search for in related articles.''' Limit speculation; the Re-imagined Series is essentially over: ''no further significant revelations should be expected.'' Follow [[BW:SAC|standards]]: Don't ask questions in questions. If an answer is found, move that data to the relevant article, phrasing it as a statement in the article body. This article will be naturally long; be [[BW:CON|concise]] and avoid unnecessary detail. Thanks!<br /> | message =<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image=Battleofthecolony.jpg<br /> | title= Daybreak, Part II &amp; Part III<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 20<br /> | guests= <br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]&lt;ref&gt;http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=422-423<br /> | rating=1.7&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.nbcumv.com/scifi/release_detail.nbc/scifi-20090324000000-4242update58.html|title='Battlestar Galactica Finale Blasts Away the Competition|date=24 March 2009|accessdate=25 March 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;/2,364,000 viewers (Live+SD)&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/24/wwe-raw-hannah-montana-and-northern-lights-lead-cable-show-rankings/15073|title=WWE RAW, Hannah Montana and Northern Lights lead cable show rankings|date=24 March 2009|accessdate=25 March 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | US airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=<br /> | prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> | next=[[The Plan]]<br /> | extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | forumthread=3050<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> The episode begins with a series of events that occurred before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br /> *In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves. Adama questions whether to take a civilian job or take command of an aged battlestar,&lt;ref&gt;This is a side reference to the events of the episode, &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; finally deciding on the civilian job.<br /> *[[Kara Thrace]] has dinner in her apartment with her fiancé [[Zak Adama]] and his brother [[Lee Adama]]. The conversation turns to Lee Adama's decision to join the [[Colonial Forces]], despite his idealism and his dislike of his father. He simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br /> *Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, Sean Allison, at her home. She eventually recognizes him as a former student from years ago. Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night.<br /> *At the strip bar, Bill Adama asks Saul whether he'd have taken the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br /> *Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak to a couch after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done and challenges Lee to shots.<br /> *Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br /> <br /> Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty. [[Virtual beings|Virtual Six]] tells him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's]] plan for him, a plan she says he is already following.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2=== <br /> Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', final preparations are made for the mission...<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] enough medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, leaving Cottle uncharacteristically speechless.<br /> * In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br /> * Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on Hera's likely location: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br /> *In CIC, Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony; Close-range combat - no nuclear weapons and missiles.<br /> * The [[Final Five]] plan to use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to disrupt the Colony's Hybrids, a plan which requires Anders to be brought to [[CIC]] and connected to ''[[Galactica]]'''s computer systems.<br /> * Saul Tigh is disturbed at the sight of gooey wires and conduit used to interface Anders with the battlestar.<br /> * Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back. Similarly, Lee Adama appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br /> * Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon. As Baltar is given a weapon, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]]; a red sash painted on them for identification.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> *A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] fully regenerated since the [[Cylon Civil War]], and ready to lead the civilians to safety. ''Galactica'' separates from the fleet, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br /> <br /> <br /> *Adama asks to go &quot;around the horn&quot;, with the [[Saul Tigh|XO]] calling out combat stations over the loudspeaker.<br /> ** In sickbay, Layne Ishay prepares sickbay for wounded, with Laura Roslin assisting as best she can.<br /> ** [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s, and the entire Raptor squadron, armed with troops and missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br /> ** Lee Adama and his force of marines (including Sergeant [[Allan Nowart]]) and red-striped centurions take their positions.<br /> ** Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against boarders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br /> ** In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br /> ** Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br /> <br /> <br /> *The battlestar jumps away from the fleet, and [[Battle of the Colony]] begins...<br /> ** ''Galactica'' arrives only meters from the edge of the Colony, and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br /> ** Ellen starts up Sam Anders, who makes contact with the Colony Hybrids and takes them and the guns offline. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br /> ** ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod to the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position. The Raptor jumps, however, cause massive damage to the pod, with gas venting outside from a gaping hole.<br /> ** Adama orders the battlestar's engines ahead at flank speed, ramming the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but breach the Colony through the forced entry. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br /> ** [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the Colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br /> ** Several Raptors, including the one with [[Sharon Agathon]], Helo, and Starbuck, dock and make their way into the Colony.<br /> ** Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera when they are under attack, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers. Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck, and takes Hera out of the room.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br /> * [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br /> <br /> * In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. &quot;All of the pieces are falling into place.&quot;<br /> * The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br /> * With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breached as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br /> <br /> * The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she &quot;owed him one.&quot; With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br /> * A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br /> <br /> * Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, &quot;Stopped for coffee.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.&lt;/ref&gt; With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br /> * Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br /> * Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br /> * Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br /> * As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br /> * Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br /> * Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has been visited by angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God (RDM)| Virtual Six once told him]]), &quot;God is not on anyone's side.&quot; The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br /> * Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br /> * Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br /> <br /> ===Act 6===<br /> <br /> * Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br /> * The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br /> * But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see &quot;certain things&quot; of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. &quot;Hey! I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!&quot;<br /> * The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br /> * Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br /> * As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated &quot;[[Frak]]!&quot; before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br /> <br /> * High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br /> * The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br /> * Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br /> * She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br /> * &quot;Where have you taken us, Kara?&quot; Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br /> * But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br /> <br /> ===Act 7===<br /> [[File:Battlestar Over Africa.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|A crippled ''Galactica'' seen in orbit over the Sahara Desert.]]<br /> * Twelve hours later, the Fleet jumps into the new Earth's orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to new Earth.<br /> * Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world, which unlike the old Earth, is clearly lush and full of life.<br /> * On a green, rich savanna in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically. Adama is astonished that humans just so happened to have evolved on this particular world.<br /> * At a camp, as Lampkin starts making plans for the construction of a city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter the new world with just their basic possessions.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br /> * A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br /> * Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with ''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br /> <br /> * Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, &quot;I'll see you on the other side.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===Act 8===<br /> <br /> * Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br /> * He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br /> * As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, &quot;Are you a Cylon?&quot; and &quot;Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?&quot; Adama is angered and leaves, saying, &quot;I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word.&quot;<br /> * Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br /> [[File:The fleet's end.jpg|thumb|180px|right|The [[fleet]] heading straight into the Sun.]]<br /> * Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br /> * As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br /> <br /> * Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br /> <br /> ===Act 9===<br /> <br /> * On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. &quot;A very beautiful world,&quot; she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, &quot;Earth is a dream,&quot; believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br /> * Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br /> * Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of &quot;[[Nothing but the rain]]&quot; before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br /> <br /> * Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. &quot;I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br /> <br /> * &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee,&quot; Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. &quot;Goodbye, Kara,&quot; he says. &quot;You won't be forgotten.&quot;<br /> * A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br /> <br /> * In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. &quot;So much..life,&quot; Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br /> * Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br /> * In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. &quot;Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there,&quot; he says, pointing to some hills.<br /> <br /> ===Act 10===<br /> <br /> * A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world. Romo Lampkin appears to be in charge. Saul and Ellen Tigh bring up the rear.<br /> * The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br /> <br /> * Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, &quot;God's plan is never complete.&quot; &quot;Great...&quot; Baltar replies sullenly.<br /> * Virtual-Baltar counters, &quot;I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to &quot;peek&quot; into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br /> <br /> * When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Julius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama sits near a cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body, and looking out into the hills and valley, speaks to her.<br /> <br /> * The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city - New York City - 150,000 years later.<br /> <br /> * As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe are the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br /> <br /> * As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br /> <br /> * The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br /> <br /> * &quot;You know it doesn't like that name,&quot; Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. &quot;Silly. Silly me,&quot; he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br /> <br /> * The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of &quot;[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]&quot; plays, ending with an image of [http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-10744-Robot+or+Human%3F+Here%27s+ACTROID.html an attractive-looking female automaton] gazing out over Times Square from a giant outdoor television screen as Six and Baltar walk off into the distance.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> :''See [[Daybreak, Part II/Notes]]''<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> ===Who and what guided them===<br /> *The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br /> <br /> :1 = C#<br /> :2 = D<br /> :3 = E<br /> :(4 = F#)<br /> :5 = G#<br /> :6 = A<br /> :(7 = B)<br /> <br /> :The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second &quot;five&quot; (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br /> *The Virtual Beings are angels of 'God' who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br /> *Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in the Music.<br /> *The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br /> * There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other a long time and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof or an actual pedestrian happening by). <br /> * The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the &quot;Big Dipper&quot;) appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot; (Orion is also visible in this episode).<br /> * Adama's statement that New Earth is &quot;one million light years&quot; from Kobol must be taken as exaggeration or an error. The Milky Way is 100 000 light years across, and earlier statements in the show indicate that it considerable time to travel much shorter distances.<br /> ** It's possible that Adama's &quot;million light years&quot; comment is meant metaphorically instead of literally, in essence saying the Colonials have come an unthinkable distance to reach their new home.<br /> ===The reproduction prospects of the races===<br /> *It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at [[The Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the &quot;Notes&quot; section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in any case couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology, but only if it was transmitted to Baseships beyond the destroyed Colony. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br /> *On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself It is possible given the precedent of Karl and Sharon Agathon Giaus Baltar and Caprica Six could had had a child particularly since they truly love each other. It is a theoretical possibility that a Leoben could had taken a human wife (they are inclined to do so given one Leoben infatuation with Kara Thrace even before her specialness was known to them) In any case it Human-Cylon offspring are an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. To sum up: It is the most likely that her husband was pure human the next probably that she took as a husband another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal human males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very great.<br /> * The Final Five can be considered some of the ancestors of present-day humanity through their link with Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes although it is unlikely they have a direct genetic link to us due to their age, deceased status or self imposed isolation.<br /> * Mitochondrial Eve, Hera, is the most recent matrilineal common ancestor for ''all'' people alive on Earth today. Like Hera, all people alive on Earth today carry some Cylon genes along with human genes--no one is one hundred percent &quot;pure&quot; human, as those who fled the Twelve Colonies were. Assuming that there are no &quot;pure&quot; humans living somewhere else in the universe today (descendants of the tiny number of survivors left behind in the Colonies), this means that humanity, as it was defined by people in the Twelve Colonies, has gone extinct.<br /> <br /> ===Miscellaneous===<br /> *[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br /> *The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br /> * In another piece of irony in a program that is full of such, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the Twelve Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br /> * Even if humanity does repeat the Cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br /> * Ellen says that hopefully the [[Hybrid]]s will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br /> * Cavil's suicide, in the way it is framed and executed, closely mirrors the televised 1987 suicide of American politician [[w:Budd Dwyer|Budd Dwyer]].<br /> * Adama's drunken moment, where he sits against a wall, vomits, and then looks up at the night sky, echoes [[w:Oscar Wilde|Oscar Wilde]]'s famous aphorism: ''We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.''<br /> * Though it was never explicitly states in the Miniseries or after, it seems that Tigh was indeed planning to retire whenever Adama decided to leave the Colonial Military. The flashbacks in this episode to Saul and Ellen Tigh in the bar make it clear that Tigh is planning on following Adama out of the service. However Adama, as viewers come to see, decides ultimately to finish out his last years as the CO of ''Galactica'' despite reservations. Tigh obviously followed. This also sheds more light on Tigh's eventual estrangement from Ellen- which was where their relationship was at in the miniseries. The bitterness she doubtless felt at Tigh once again choosing Bill Adama over her was probably a factor in not only her noted loose behaviour, but their growing estrangement before the war.<br /> *It is not entirely clear when in Adama's career he decided to pursue the idea of a civilian job as seen in both parts of &quot;Daybreak&quot;. Dialogue during the lie detector test scene suggests Adama has been given his orders to command Galactica, but is considering resigning before taking up the post. However Adama notes in his initial interview with his prospective employer in the previous episode that he has already commanded two battlestars. One of these is obviously ''[[Valkyrie]]'', but it is not clear if Adama is already referring to ''Galactica'' as the second command (which could also suggest he is already commanding ''Galactica'' at the time this flashback is set and is considering his resignation when on leave from that ship), or to another battlestar that Adama once commanded but has never been mentioned before.<br /> * In [[Sharon Valerii]]'s flashback immediately after she was killed by [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon &quot;Athena&quot; Agathon]], then-Commander Adama was upbraiding her for her constant poor landings he, among other things, told her she was not to let her personal life get in the way. This is a direct reference to the fact that she is still struggling with survivors guilt over her parents deaths on [[Troy]], which occured when she was undergoing training in the Colonial Military. The &quot;deaths&quot; of her parents were staged, however, by the Cylons who destroyed the colony of Troy to coincide with Valerii's activation as a sleeper agent. (The scenes were filmed, but cut from the aired version of the episode.) <br /> * Chief Engineer Galen Tyrol's decision to travel to a highland area, which is implied to be Scotland, is a possible nod to the ''Star Trek'' character [[MemoryAlpha:Montgomery Scott|&quot;Scotty&quot;|]], another famous science fiction engineer.<br /> * The discovery of humans on the new Earth by ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; crew makes this the only episode in which an &quot;alien&quot; (neither Colonial nor Cylon-related) race is featured.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> &lt;!-- NOTE: Please read up on BW:SAC for how to ask questions on episode guides. Questions that can be answered because of on-screen or off-screen should be placed in the guide itself, Notes, Analyst, or Official Statements. Questions that do not have any merit that might not have anything pertaining to [[The Plan]] should not be added here. <br /> '''Note:''' Since this episode is the series finale, these and other questions may go unanswered save for official statements from the show runners and/or actors.<br /> --&gt;<br /> * What happened to the newly liberated Centurions?<br /> * What happened to the Raiders?<br /> * Why does &quot;God&quot; want the Cycle to be broken?<br /> * What was the &quot;similar incident&quot; Skulls was starting to tell Racetrack about just before they were killed?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> *''Virtual Baltar says the last line of the series as he walks down a street of modern day New York City with Virtual Six. Baltar questions what God wants to be really called:''<br /> :'''Virtual Baltar''' (moving in closer to V-Six, whispers): &quot;You know it doesn't like that name!&quot;<br /> :'''Virtual Six''' (Doesn't answer vocally but her expression says &quot;C'mon! you know better than that!&quot;): ...........<br /> :'''Virtual Baltar''' (Seeing her reaction): &quot;Silly Me.....silly, silly me&quot;.<br /> <br /> *''The Galactica is about to jump to The Colony and into harms way:''<br /> :'''Admiral Adama''': Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'' has seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.<br /> <br /> *''Tory Foster is saying something to the other Final Five who are about to download the specifications of Resurrection technology, delaying things. Cavil is impatient and shouts from below up to the Five:'' <br /> :'''Cavil''':&quot; HEY! I DON'T MEAN TO RUSH YOU BUT YOU ARE KEEPING TWO CIVILIZATIONS WAITING!<br /> <br /> *''The Final Five are about to to stick their hand into Anders's hybrid tank and through that the [[datastream]] They are about to download the technical data of Resurrection to the Cavil Faction's Colony as agreed. As they do so their minds will essentially become one and they will all know each other's secrets whether they want to share or not. Tory Foster is unusually agitated and nervous:''<br /> :'''Tory Foster''' (hesitantly with slight fear): &quot;There are things that....that we've all done. Certain things that...people would be shocked.... to learn about.&quot;<br /> :(Cavil impatiently shouts from below, Foster continues) <br /> :'''Tory Foster''' (voice trembling slightly): Let's....Let's just all agree that no matter what we learn about each other...we're all Cylons and we're all capable of making mistakes.&quot;<br /> :''(Those were her last words. Less than two minutes later, Tyrol learns of Tory murdering Cally and kills Tory by snapping her neck. She was being strangled to tightly to say anything else.)''<br /> <br /> *''Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.''<br /> :'''Cavil''': Frak!<br /> <br /> *''Nuclear missiles has knocked the Colony falling into the Singularity and is dragging Galactica with it and Starbuck is frantically attempting to figure out the jump coordinates. This is a lyric from the song &quot;All Along the Watchtower.''''<br /> :'''Starbuck''': There must be some kind of way out of here. <br /> <br /> *''Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.''<br /> :'''Virtual Baltar''': All of this has happened before...<br /> :'''Virtual Six''': But the question remains: does all of this have to happen again?<br /> <br /> *''Sam Anders, essentially Galactica's Hybrid, says his last words to Kara Thrace after she leaves his side.''<br /> :'''Samuel Anders''': See you on the other side<br /> <br /> *''Baltar to Caprica Six on New Earth in unspoken reference about his father''<br /> :'''Baltar''': &quot;You know, I know about farming.&quot; (sobs)<br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin is speaking to Dr. Cottle about the state of her health which both know it is grave with only a few days to live. Also, she is about to essentially go into battle to retrieve Hera and the Doctor appears to be on the verge of choking up:''<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''': Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble.&quot;<br /> <br /> *''Former Admiral of the Fleet William Adama is showing Laura their new home on New Earth in a Raptor. She sees a herd of gazelles stampeding at the sight of the Raptor over the lush and rich landscape and says her last words:''<br /> :'''Roslin''': So much life...<br /> <br /> *''William Adama is sitting on a high ridge overlooking what would later be called the African Savannah in spectacular view. Laura Roslin's grave is behind him close by and he talks to her spirit. It is his last statement in the series:'' <br /> :'''William Adama''': I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easterly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you.&quot;<br /> <br /> *''Boomer has just given over Hera to Athena, saving her life from Cavil and Simon dissection-and both redeeming herself and condemning herself to death'' <br /> :'''Boomer''' (to Athena): Tell the old man, I owed him one.<br /> :'''Athena''' (angrily) Doesn't change anything you did though!<br /> :'''Boomer''' (shakes her head slightly): No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think its my last one. <br /> :'''Starbuck''': All right this is really touching. Now can we get the frak out of here!?!<br /> :'''Boomer''' (to Starbuck): You should know that your Raptor been destroyed. You can't go back that way. <br /> :(Athena passes Hera to Helo)<br /> :'''Athena''': Yeah well, that is not the plan.<br /> :'''Starbuck''' (sardonically): Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?<br /> :'''Athena''': Right.<br /> :''(Athena and Boomer look each other in the eye for a moment. Athena raises her weapon. Boomer does not try to flee, accepting, if not welcoming her fate. Athena fires. Boomer is dead before she hits the deck.)''<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant/Admiral [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br /> * [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: too long - break into sub sections</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=FirstDaybreak.jpg<br /> | title=Daybreak, Part I<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=19<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=421<br /> | rating=1,661,000 viewers (Live+SD)&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/17/wwe-raw-cars-hannah-montana-and-spongebob-lead-weekly-cable-viewing/14680|title=WWE RAW, Cars, Hannah Montana and SpongeBob Lead Weekly Cable Viewing|date=17 March 2009|accessdate=25 March 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | US airdate=March 13, 2009<br /> | CAN airdate=March 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39516<br /> | oldpopulation=39521<br /> | prev=[[Islanded In a Stream of Stars ]]<br /> | next=[[Daybreak, Part II]]<br /> | forumthread= 2994<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> :''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] begins to be stripped of parts, and [[William Adama|Adama]] calls for volunteers for a final mission.''<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> '''In [[Caprica City]]'''<br /> *The Act opens with a montage, including a galaxy, a bird trapped in a skylight, water falling into a pool, and light over a planet. Establish a modern city: &quot;Caprica City - Before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]]&quot;.<br /> *[[William Adama|Bill Adama]], wearing civilian clothes, converses with another gentleman in a shaded room. Adama talks about his combat experience, commanding billions of cubits of men and materials, but doesn't want to go through with something. The man responds that he's only asking for one hour of his time, and that &quot;sometimes there are things that you gotta do.&quot;<br /> *Across the city, Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] speaks with [[Caprica-Six]] in a limo, talking briefly about having things done for you as opposed to being independent. Baltar and Caprica-Six begin fooling around in the limo, when a call comes through. Baltar is immediately shaken. He apologizes and asks the other person to wait for him. The other person sounds ready to leave, but Baltar tells the person on the other end to wait for him, or he will sue for abandonment.<br /> *[[Laura Roslin]] sees out the last guest from her sister's baby shower. Laura and her two younger sisters sit on the couch, celebrating and laughing together.<br /> *In an apartment kitchen, [[Kara Thrace]] contemplates something and prepares food when the doorbell rings. Kara is surprised, saying they're early, and greets [[Lee Adama]] at the door, carrying flowers. Kara invites him in and calls for Zak. [[Zak Adama]] comes out, greets his brother, and introduces Kara as his girlfriend.<br /> *Baltar pleads with Nurse Barbara to stay with his father [[Julius Baltar|Julius]] at his apartment, after she is stabbed with a steak knife, but she refuses and leaves. Caprica-Six walks in, despite Baltar's instructions to stay in the car. Baltar starts berating his father over the fact that he's driven away three nurses, at great cost to him, while his father starts talking about Baltar's past. Baltar starts yelling and hitting his father, demanding that he shut up. Baltar then sends Caprica-Six away, saying he will be spending the rest of the evening with his father.<br /> *At her apartment, Laura Roslin is informed by two Caprica City Police officers that the previous night, her father and sisters died in a car accident. The other driver survived, and was intoxicated at the time of the accident. Roslin, upset, calmly asks the officers to leave. She stands in her apartment, alone, thinking, and then walks to a park in her nightgown. She rests her feet in the fountain, and then wades in the water, and rests on a nearby rock, letting the splashing water wash over her. The drops of water falling into the pond match what was seen in the earlier montage.<br /> <br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *An IV drip, overlooking Laura Roslin resting in Sickbay.<br /> *In the Hangar Bay, Lee Adama complains about the amount of materials the ship captains want from ''Galactica''. Lee signs a number of documents (and also sends some back for revision), when a deckhand argues over the fact that the magnetic accelerators are being stripped. While Lee points out that they can be used as autoloaders for the civilian ships, the deckhand says that &quot;it's like tearing the old girl's heart out&quot;, as it's used in launching Vipers. Lee compromises that the accelerators will be last thing they remove from ''Galactica'', then they'll &quot;turn out the lights, and let the old girl die in peace.&quot;<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *As [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] finishes packing the last of his belongings to be moved to the Cylon basestar, the hull rattles overhead.<br /> *Paulla tells [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] that they now control a majority in at least half the ships in the fleet. While Paulla continues to cheer about their political power, Baltar is informed by [[Virtual Six]] that &quot;humanity's final chapter is about to be written,&quot; with him as the author. Baltar turns back to Paulla, thinking back. <br /> *In [[Sam Anders|Anders']] room, [[Kara Thrace|Kara]] sits with him, contemplating the notes she got from Hera ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). With equations and notes, Kara continues to ponder.<br /> *In the CIC, Lt. [[Hoshi]] cleans up a spill, while Tigh announces that the Admiral will fly out the last Viper personally. He orders that the deck gang keep one launch tube intact and ready for remote activation. Tigh comments on Hoshi's inability to clean up the spill, saying &quot;you won't make Admiral like that.&quot;<br /> *In the brig, [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and an imprisoned [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] argue over the uniqueness of the Eights. Helo points out that Tyrol's relationship with Boomer, much like his with Athena's, are unique. Tyrol scoffs, calling himself a &quot;frakkin' idiot&quot; for not realizing that they're just machines, not people. The Eights are all the same &quot;...because [[Final Five|''we'']] made them the same.&quot; Tyrol says that they can't be trusted, at which point, Helo ends the conversation abruptly. <br /> <br /> '''In Caprica City'''<br /> *As Baltar escorts a lovely young woman into his house, he walks in to find [[Caprica-Six]] there, sitting. Baltar shoos the young woman upstairs, while Baltar declares Caprica an intruder and orders her out. Caprica-Six mentions that she had Julius moved to the Regency, a full-time care facility. Caprica mentions that he loves his new arrangements, and that the last time she saw him, he seemed happy. <br /> <br /> '''Inside [[The_Colony|the Colony]]'''<br /> *Hera draws notes on a large paper, while [[Number One|Cavil]] points out that they're just &quot;little dots.&quot; [[Number Four|Simon]] suggests that they feed Hera through tubes, while [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] insists that the girl just misses her mother. Cavil rejects this idea coldly, saying Hera is just a hybrid who holds the key to Cylon salvation, nothing more. Cavil leaves as Simon prepares a large needle with Hera and Boomer in view.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *[[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] helps [[Hotdog]] (with child in tow) with some pictures that fell while they crossed paths. Hotdog says that he grabbed photos of pilots from the [[Memorial hallway]] to ensure they weren't &quot;left behind&quot;, but mentions there are a lot of photos still on the walls. Adama glances at the photos, stopping at one of [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] kissing [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] on the head. Adama then walks quickly out of the area, pauses, then walks back and takes the photo off the wall. <br /> *On the Hangar Deck, Baltar pleads Lee Adama to listen to a proposal asking for representation within the new government. Despite Baltar's claims that it will be for thousands of people, Lee is dubious of Baltar's motives as he outed Kara's secret. Baltar contends that Lee is letting his feelings for Kara cloud the possibility of genuine conversation. Lee allows him five minutes to state his case and walks away, with Baltar quickly following.<br /> *Admiral Adama looks over Kara's notes regarding the musical notes inside Anders' room. Kara admits she's reaching, looking for patterns and inspirations by assigning numbers to the notes, but is still unsure. Adama asks Kara about Baltar's declaration, which she confirms, and explains how she discovered and burned her remains on Earth. Kara is unsure of what she is, but Adama is sure that he thinks of her as a &quot;daughter&quot;, and tells her not to forget it. Adama wants to ask Anders a question, to which Kara plugs him in. Anders shows signs of movement from his hands as power can be heard. Once powered up, Anders begins to speak in riddles, particularly about Kara. Kara dismisses the statements, and gives Adama the OK to ask his question. Adama decides to have Kara ask the question instead, although the actual question is not heard as the act ends.<br /> <br /> '''In Caprica City'''<br /> *In a tub, Anders responds to a reporter's questions about his possibilities for a championship despite his team being in a rebuilding year. The reporter asks if his career would be incomplete without the championship, to which Anders starts by giving some general, seemingly canned responses. Then, in a candid moment, Anders tells the reporter that the championship, statistics, even the games don't really matter to him, but rather the pursuit of the &quot;perfection&quot; of the moment.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *Inside a Hangar storage area, Baltar tries some pleasantries, but Lee cuts him off and asks for the point. Baltar begins by saying that once ''Galactica'' is gone, that a new life will have begun, to which Baltar believes a different philosophy is needed in the days ahead. Baltar pledges his support to help this new era, but only asks for his people to have a say in government. Lee scoffs at the idea, saying that all he's known of Baltar's actions, is that they have served him in some way, and are all suspect as a result. Lee declines Baltar's request for representation for his group, on the grounds that he can't be trusted. Baltar relents, then leaves.<br /> *As Lee walks out of the storage room and Baltar converses with his followers, Admiral Adama enters, followed by Kara. The Admiral and Kara stretch a line of tape on the floor of the deck. Adama begins to speak to the crew in the Hangar Deck regarding the disappearance of Hera, and that originally a rescue was not practical, but was wrong.<br /> *Across the ship, the crew begins to talk about the rescue plan...<br /> **Hotdog talks with the pilots about where the Admiral got the information. The Admiral didn't say where, but Hotdog speculates that Anders gave the information as Kara was by the Admiral's side.<br /> **Ishay and Cottle discuss the fact that until now, they weren't sure of where Hera was located, but that has apparently changed. Roslin overhears this with a concerned look.<br /> **Tory and Ellen walk through the halls, saying that even with the location, it's not the same as being able to get her. Tory expresses her dislike of the rescue idea, but Ellen argues that Hera's importance is outside their understanding, and that they are all going with them. Tory thinks that Ellen is deciding for the group, but Ellen points out that Tory never liked being alone.<br /> **Tory and Ellen pass Lee Adama, relaying instructions over the phone. Lee mentions that the mission is strictly voluntary, and that any man or woman over the age of 15 may join up, including the ones detained due to the mutiny.<br /> **In the CIC, Colonel Tigh declares that all personnel must make their own choice in person and that the Admiral is waiting on the Hangar Deck. Tigh also gives last minute instructions regarding the watch and watchkeepers, then orders the crew to move. Tigh asks Hoshi what he's going to do, which Hoshi isn't sure about. Tigh mentions that he has &quot;four minutes&quot; to figure it out.<br /> **In their quarters, Helo and Athena discuss the rescue. Helo is very enthusiastic about the attempt, while Athena is convinced Hera's mostly likely dead. Helo still believes that Hera is alive, they will get her back, and everything will be all right. While Athena is still not convinced, Helo says she's wrong and leaves. <br /> <br /> '''In [[Caprica City]]'''<br /> *Lee Adama staggers into his apartment, laughing about a &quot;dare&quot; that took place at Zak and Kara's place. As Lee knocks over some glasses, he spots a pigeon inside his apartment. Lee angrily tries to shoo the pigeon out with a broom, but after breaking more things, gives up in frustration.<br /> <br /> === Act 5 ===<br /> '''In [[Caprica City]]'''<br /> *[[Laura Roslin]] is on the phone with someone while dining alone, dismissing the fact that she is a recluse in the 3 months since her father and sisters' death. She is also adamant against joining Mayor Adar's campaign, saying she doesn't like politics. She makes a deal with the person, however, that she will go on a date with a man, Shawn Ellison, if they drop the idea of Roslin joining Adar's campaign.<br /> <br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *In Sickbay, Laura Roslin puts on her wig, getting ready to leave.<br /> *Admiral Adama gives a final impassioned speech to the assembled crew on the Hangar Deck, saying they should not be obligated to join the mission. Adama has made a personal choice to undertake the mission. Should not enough people join the mission to crew Galactica, a Raptor assault will be lead by him in its place. Adama makes it clear that this mission will mostly likely be one-way, so emotion or sentiment should not be considered. Pointing to the line on the deck, Admiral Adama asks for volunteers to move to the Starboard side and those choosing to remain with the fleet to move to Port.<br /> *The crew begins shifting between sides. During the exchange, Adama asks Dr. Cottle to remain with the fleet, but thanks him for the thought. When all the movement has settled, those among the volunteers include Lee Adama, Starbuck, Hotdog, the Final Five (save Anders), Caprica-Six, and a visibly weakened Laura Roslin. Baltar and his followers do not volunteer for the mission.<br /> <br /> '''Outside [[The Colony|the Colony]]'''<br /> *Raptor 279, piloted by [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]], jump to the coordinates given by Anders. They complete the jump, only to be nearly hit by an asteroid. The two ex-mutineers joke about going on the mission as opposed to being locked up, when Skulls picks up readings of a naked singularity. As the Raptor slides towards the black hole, a DRADIS contact is picked up, to both their amazement.<br /> <br /> '''Aboard ''Galactica'''''<br /> *Adama and a few others look over pictures taken by the Raptor, explaining that Anders has given them an accurate location of [[The Colony|the Colony]], but that it sits in orbit of a &quot;naked singularity&quot; (black hole). The only gravitationally stable entry point sits less than one click from the facility, &quot;point-blank range,&quot; and that the facility's defenses will naturally be trained on that point. Looking at the pictures, the Admiral declares that they should &quot;get to work&quot;.<br /> *&quot;To be continued...&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> <br /> * This episode is the first part of a three hour series finale&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> * The episode does not have an opening teaser beyond the &quot;Previously...&quot; segment and a brief depiction of Galactica deckhands and several Baseship Number Eight pilots guiding passengers to ships and other ''Galactica'' bound ships from the Baseship. Nor does the opening credits include clips from the episode, the first time this has happened since the start of Season 3. As Part II does not have a standard opening credits sequence, this episode marked the final broadcast of the show's theme music and on-screen tally of human survivors.<br /> *We finally learn [[Sherman Cottle|Cottle]]'s first name: Sherman. Admiral Adama uses the name when telling him he's too valuable for the fleet to lose.<br /> * [[Laura Roslin]] had two sisters (one pregnant), and that they and her father were killed in an automobile accident at some point before she was appointed as Secretary of Education under the Adar Administration.<br /> * Baltar's father appears for the first time. Baltar's accent is confirmed to be an affectation, as previously revealed in [[Dirty Hands]].<br /> *A couple of years before the Fall it seems that Lee Adama liked to get drunk and carouse. This is in stark contrast post Fall to his sober and controlled demeanor who looked on with disdain over Kara's, Colonel Tigh's and even his own father's drinking problems. <br /> * Baltar specifically told [[Caprica Six]] he forgot her name, albeit it is possible that he has yet to learn it, despite having a relationship with her.<br /> * Cultural oddity: keep an eye on the rear window of Baltar's limo for a recognizable Vancouver, B.C. street sign.<br /> * After several episodes leaving the facts open to speculation, it is confirmed that the ''Galactica'' pilots that took part in the mutiny, such as [[Racetrack]], were incarcerated and not executed. Ronald D. Moore had previously said that Racetrack, [[Skulls]] and other mutiny participants were confined on the prison ship ''[[Astral Queen]]'' in his podcast for [[Deadlock]]. Also confirmed [[Galen Tyrol]] was imprisoned for his role in unwittingly helping Boomer to escape with Hera (a scene indicating this was filmed for &quot;[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]&quot; but cut from the televised version).<br /> * For the first time in many episodes, the six surviving members of the [[Significant Seven]] appear in the same episode (although [[Leoben]] appears only in the opening recap). This was the first time appearance of a [[Doral]] or a [[Simon]] since [[The Hub]].<br /> * In the flashback to Starbuck's apartment, the painting of the Eye of Jupiter can be seen behind her when she opens the door.<br /> *As [[Hybrid]] [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recites his seemingly random phrases to a listening Admiral Adama and Captain Thrace he says &quot;Slip the surly bonds of Earth and touch the face of perfection&quot; This is a variation of a quote by [[Wikipedia:John Gillespie Magee, Jr|John Gillespie Magee, Jr.]] in his 1941 poem [[Wikipedia: High Flight|High Flight]]: &quot;Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings...&quot; [http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/highflig.htm] The poem goes on and concludes with &quot;Put out my hand and touched the face of God.&quot; This was quoted by Ronald Reagan much closer to Ander's rendition on January 28, 1986 when addressing the nation after the Challenger disaster &quot;We will never forget them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God.&quot;<br /> *At the end of the episode, Lee Adama wears his old Major's [[Uniforms (RDM)#Regular uniform|uniform]] (with white piping), but without his [[Military Ranks (RDM)#Insignia|rank insignia]] or [[Insignia (RDM)#Pilot wings|pilot wings]].<br /> * The known volunteers for the mission include Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Kara Thrace, Athena, Helo, Caprica Six, the Final Five, Hoshi, Nurse Ishay, Hot Dog, Racetrack, and Skulls. Doc Cottle initially volunteers for the mission, but stays behind at Adama's request. Although Gaius Baltar does not volunteer, he seems to be highly conflicted with himself.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *Cavil plans to use Hera to find out how she was created in order to continue the Cylon species, presumably through normal reproduction. <br /> **It also proves Cavil intends to dissect Hera to discover the secret of procreation, confirming both Starbuck's and Athena's worst fears. <br /> *Roslin likely feels quite protective of Hera as despite being barely able to walk, she volunteers for the rescue mission (although her love for Adama likely also played a part in her decision).<br /> *Cottle may be either the best doctor in the fleet or one of the only ones as Adama says he's too valuable for the fleet to lose on the rescue mission.<br /> *Baltar seems conflicted when volunteers are called. This inner conflict stems from his earlier conversation with Lee Adama where he confessed that he had never done anything for purely selfless motivations with no gain for himself. He does not, however, cross the line and join the volunteers.<br /> ** If Baltar does join, then it would seem likely that all the elements are in place to fulfill the Opera House vision: Athena, Roslin, Caprica Six and Baltar will all be in pursuit of Hera.<br /> ** Baltar's Virtual Six has told him many times that he is supposed to be Hera's guardian and &quot;father&quot;. It seems incongruous with his destiny for him not to join a mission to rescue Hera.<br /> *It's clear that despite his controversial choices, Adama still commands a great deal of loyalty and respect from the crew. Much of the crew - or at least those that are on the hangar deck at the time - volunteers for the mission. At the very least, Adama has enough people with him to take ''Galactica'' into battle. <br /> ** It should be noted that although the non-volunteers appear to outnumber the volunteers at least two-to-one, many of the non-volunteers are civilians.<br /> ** It should also be noted that almost all the Marines volunteer for the mission.<br /> ** Also, it is likely Adama will have more volunteers than are visible on screen in the hangar deck scene. Certainly not all the crew of ''Galactica'' were on the hangar deck at the time given the size of the combined crew at this point. Doubtless some had to stay on duty (Colonel Tigh confirms this when he says in CIC that those on duty must report to Adama later to declare themselves) or were on the Cylon basestar or civilian ships helping offload Galactica's stripped parts. It was also probably impractical for the producers to muster some 3000 plus extras for this scene to show Galactica's full crew.<br /> ** Given that Adama had trouble manning ''Galactica'' during the occupation of [[New Caprica]], when the ship was stated as being at half strength, it is fair to assume the Admiral is going to need roughly half the original crew compliment to carry out this last combat mission - roughly 1300 people. As stated above, this many volunteers are not seen on screen, but given some crew could volunteer later, Adama might well muster about this number in the end.<br /> *In the brig Tyrol tells Helo (who is surprisingly civil, even sympathetic toward Tyrol given his hand in the abduction) that the Eights are all the same. He says this both as a word of advice and a warning. He says because they made them the same, Helo can only expect the same betrayal from Athena as displayed by Boomer. However, given the fact that Tyrol has no conscious memory of creating the Eights or the other seven Cylon models, and considering the psychological pain Galen suffered at the betrayal, his opinion most likely comes from emotion and not an intellectual analysis in his disregard of the individuality of Athena and the other Eights, particularly given Athena's track record of loyalty. <br /> **This also maybe a case of &quot;misery loves company&quot; and Tyrol, subconsciously or knowingly, wants to see Helo and Athena split up to allay his own feelings of being duped, by saying the Eights are all alike and putting doubt in Helo's mind. <br /> **Also, by claiming that Athena and the other Eights are just machines this could mitigate the guilt for his role in the abduction and possible death of Hera. If Athena is just a machine, then she cannot be hurt emotionally. She has no emotions, just a programmed facsimile. Tyrol wouldn't have to feel responsible for such pain he caused her since, as a machine, she can't really feel it, sparing '''''himself''''' a lot of pain and guilt.<br /> **Tyrol is himself a Cylon machine, so his rant speaks of denial and projected self-hatred as well as bitterness.<br /> *The finale appears to be taking a character-driven approach, devoting significant screen time to pivotal flashbacks for the central characters that relate to their current circumstances. <br /> **We see the first time Starbuck and Apollo' met, with hints alluding to their future romantic relationship.<br /> **Roslin deals with the sudden death of her sisters and father by wading into a fountain, which she uses to disguise the tears that she shed for the lost of her family. The gushing water cuts to a shot of her I.V. drip as she lies dying on Galactica.<br /> **Baltar and Caprica-Six begin their relationship with an act of compassion on Six's part towards Baltar's father. Baltar's selfishness, a theme raised repeatedly in the episode, is contrasted with Caprica Six's seemingly genuine concern for [[Julius Baltar|Julius]].<br /> *One of the shots in the opening sequence is of a sun rising over a blue planet: daybreak. The theme may symbolize an end to the fleet's long four years of gloom and darkness.<br /> **In that image of the planet, Antarctica is clearly seen, specifically the Ronne Ice Shelf, Queen Maud Land, and the Antarctic Peninsula. Where southern South America and southern Africa would be, the surface is covered by clouds, and the location of southern Australia/New Zealand is too dark. Although not as recognizable as the image of North America in [[Crossroads, Part II]], it is clear that the planet shown here is our Earth. <br /> ***Despite the similarities, the sun and the stars are in the wrong position for this to be our Earth. More than likely, the planet being depicted is Caprica. Especially when the sequence is taken as a whole: The Galaxy, Sun rise over a planet, In orbit over the planet, then a helicopter like fly over of Caprica City heavily implies that was Caprica as the planet we saw. <br /> *Hera is drawing &quot;dots&quot;, as Cavil calls them, on the Colony. These are much more numerous than the simple line that she gave Starbuck, its at least a full page long. It seems to be an entire musical score. However, not knowing that they are music notes, Cavil doesn't see this.<br /> *Someone left a picture of Athena about to kiss Hera on the head on the now abandoned memorial wall. It may have been Athena herself, who has given up on Hera's survival.<br /> * Baltar's reaction to Lee's accusation that he has never done a selfless thing in his life shows how much the character of Baltar has grown, especially in the Fourth Season. Previously, whenever someone called Baltar's motives or attributes (especially his loyalty) into question, he reacted very passionately, and angrily, to defend himself (and often led to him being coaxed into doing what Virtual Six wanted, to the detriment of the humans in the fleet). On this occasion, however, Baltar not only does not even attempt to defend himself, he resignedly admits that he wouldn't trust him either (tacitly admitting both that Lee is correct in his assertion and that his self-serving actions have been extremely detrimental in the past). This change in attitude visibly surprises Lee who seems quite taken aback and appears to momentarily contemplate talking to Baltar again when he returns to the Hanger Deck.<br /> * Adama's decision to rescue Hera was prompted by Constanza's remarks about saving the photos of his fallen comrades because he didn't want to leave them behind. It should not then be surprising to see that Constanza was one of the first pilots (not counting Lee Adama) to cross the line and join in the potential suicide mission with Adama.<br /> * Anders' flashback of his life before the War contains an interesting aspect of Anders not seen before. Though he was implanted with memories of being a &quot;jock&quot;, but when he candidly spoke to the sports reporter, he revealed a more intellectual and artistic side of himself. This may be a hint of his former personality (a scientist and musician) before Cavil blocked his memories.<br /> * In a humorous side commentary, Skulls points out that many of the dangerous or lethal Raptor missions are usually given to him and Racetrack. Historically, this has been true as the duo have been pivotal for discoveries such as New Caprica, receiving the first message from the Resistance, discovering that the Cylons were tracking the fleet to the Nebula, propulsion problems (exploding engine) due to contaminated jet fuel.<br /> * Skull's comment of &quot;The more things change the more they stay the same.&quot; is a different twist of quoting the Pythian Prophecy that &quot;All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.&quot; The phrase is a common proverb in English, indicating that surface changes only serve to reveal enduring underlying constants. It is derived from a French epigram by novelist Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr (1808-1890), &quot;plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> === Flashbacks ===<br /> * To what is Adama's flashback conversation referring? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * Who was the drunk driver that killed Roslin's sisters and father? Is he alive in the fleet today?<br /> * Who is Sean Allison and why does his name sound familiar to Roslin? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * What is the time frame for the flashbacks, and is it the same for all characters?<br /> <br /> ===Mission to save Hera=== <br /> * How many of the jailed mutineers volunteer to participate in the mission?<br /> * As the episode began, ''Galactica'' was already being cannibalized for parts; does this mean it will be lacking vital components during the upcoming mission, or has Adama stopped the salvaging?<br /> * Will Boomer help Hera escape? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> ===Cavil's Plan===<br /> * Has Cavil given up on the idea of salvaging Resurrection Technology? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> ===Miscellaneous===<br /> *With [[William Adama|Commander Adama]], [[Saul Tigh|XO Tigh]], [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama|Vice-President Lee Adama]] all joining the Hera rescue mission, who will assume military and political leadership of the Fleet? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * With [[Hotdog]] being one of the volunteers, and especially being aware that he may not return alive, who will take care of Nicholas?<br /> *With Tyrol on the rebound from Sharon Valerii, will Tory Foster and Tyrol renew their romance despite not having their original memories? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * At the very beginning of the episode, an image of the galaxy is displayed which includes several prominent stars in bright colors... is there a connection to Hera's multicolored &quot;dots&quot;? Do her notes represent stars, and will the sequence provide a map that leads to somewhere?<br /> * Will the Cylon baseship remain with the civilian fleet or will they also join in on the rescue mission to save Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> *''In his podcast for [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]], Ronald D. Moore stated that there will be no independent podcast for Daybreak Part I. Instead a single podcast would be made for all three hours including the two hour series finale [[Daybreak, Part II]] and posted at the scifi.com site.'' [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php] (00':30&quot;)<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> :&quot;No one should feel obligated to join this mission in any way. This is a decision I have made for myself. If it turns out that there are not enough personnel to crew [[Galactica|''Galactica'']], I will lead a [[Raptor]] assault with anyone who is willing to join me. Let there be no illusions; this is likely to be a one-way trip! So don't volunteer out of sentiment or emotion. There is a line running down this deck. Volunteers, move to the starboard side; Everyone else, to the port. Make your choice!&quot;<br /> ::--[[William_Adama|Admiral Adama's]] speech to the assembled crew.<br /> <br /> :&quot;You didn't think you were gonna to take off without me Admiral, did you?&quot;<br /> ::--[[Laura Roslin]] volunteering for the rescue mission despite barely being able to walk.<br /> <br /> :&quot;Spins and turns, angles and curves. The shape of dreams, half remembered. Slip the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of perfection - a perfect face, perfect lace. Find the perfect world for the end of Kara Thrace. End of line.&quot;<br /> ::--[[Samuel Anders|Anders]]'s hybrid-speak when powered on to speak with [[Kara Thrace]] and [[William_Adama|Admiral Adama]].<br /> <br /> :&quot;She’s right, Gaius. The end times are approaching. Humanity’s final chapters are about to be written. And you - you will be its author.&quot;<br /> ::--[[Virtual Six]] to [[Gaius Baltar]].<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Antony Holland]] as [[Julius Baltar]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Elan Ross Gibson]] as Nurse [[Barbara]]<br /> * [[France Perras]] as [[Sandra Roslin]]<br /> * [[Sarah Deakins]] as [[Cheryl Roslin]]<br /> * [[Tiffany Burns]] as Reporter [[Carolyn]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Stefanie Samuels]] as Police Officer<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: attempt to make slightly more readable.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=FirstDaybreak.jpg<br /> | title=Daybreak, Part I<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=19<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=421<br /> | rating=1,661,000 viewers (Live+SD)&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/03/17/wwe-raw-cars-hannah-montana-and-spongebob-lead-weekly-cable-viewing/14680|title=WWE RAW, Cars, Hannah Montana and SpongeBob Lead Weekly Cable Viewing|date=17 March 2009|accessdate=25 March 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | US airdate=March 13, 2009<br /> | CAN airdate=March 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39516<br /> | oldpopulation=39521<br /> | prev=[[Islanded In a Stream of Stars ]]<br /> | next=[[Daybreak, Part II]]<br /> | forumthread= 2994<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> :''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] begins to be stripped of parts, and [[William Adama|Adama]] calls for volunteers for a final mission.''<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> '''In [[Caprica City]]'''<br /> *The Act opens with a montage, including a galaxy, a bird trapped in a skylight, water falling into a pool, and light over a planet. Establish a modern city: &quot;Caprica City - Before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]]&quot;.<br /> *[[William Adama|Bill Adama]], wearing civilian clothes, converses with another gentleman in a shaded room. Adama talks about his combat experience, commanding billions of cubits of men and materials, but doesn't want to go through with something. The man responds that he's only asking for one hour of his time, and that &quot;sometimes there are things that you gotta do.&quot;<br /> *Across the city, Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] speaks with [[Caprica-Six]] in a limo, talking briefly about having things done for you as opposed to being independent. Baltar and Caprica-Six begin fooling around in the limo, when a call comes through. Baltar is immediately shaken. He apologizes and asks the other person to wait for him. The other person sounds ready to leave, but Baltar tells the person on the other end to wait for him, or he will sue for abandonment.<br /> *[[Laura Roslin]] sees out the last guest from her sister's baby shower. Laura and her two younger sisters sit on the couch, celebrating and laughing together.<br /> *In an apartment kitchen, [[Kara Thrace]] contemplates something and prepares food when the doorbell rings. Kara is surprised, saying they're early, and greets [[Lee Adama]] at the door, carrying flowers. Kara invites him in and calls for Zak. [[Zak Adama]] comes out, greets his brother, and introduces Kara as his girlfriend.<br /> *Baltar pleads with Nurse Barbara to stay with his father [[Julius Baltar|Julius]] at his apartment, after she is stabbed with a steak knife, but she refuses and leaves. Caprica-Six walks in, despite Baltar's instructions to stay in the car. Baltar starts berating his father over the fact that he's driven away three nurses, at great cost to him, while his father starts talking about Baltar's past. Baltar starts yelling and hitting his father, demanding that he shut up. Baltar then sends Caprica-Six away, saying he will be spending the rest of the evening with his father.<br /> *At her apartment, Laura Roslin is informed by two Caprica City Police officers that the previous night, her father and sisters died in a car accident. The other driver survived, and was intoxicated at the time of the accident. Roslin, upset, calmly asks the officers to leave. She stands in her apartment, alone, thinking, and then walks to a park in her nightgown. She rests her feet in the fountain, and then wades in the water, and rests on a nearby rock, letting the splashing water wash over her. The drops of water falling into the pond match what was seen in the earlier montage.<br /> <br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *An IV drip, overlooking Laura Roslin resting in Sickbay.<br /> *In the Hangar Bay, Lee Adama complains about the amount of materials the ship captains want from ''Galactica''. Lee signs a number of documents (and also sends some back for revision), when a deckhand argues over the fact that the magnetic accelerators are being stripped. While Lee points out that they can be used as autoloaders for the civilian ships, the deckhand says that &quot;it's like tearing the old girl's heart out&quot;, as it's used in launching Vipers. Lee compromises that the accelerators will be last thing they remove from ''Galactica'', then they'll &quot;turn out the lights, and let the old girl die in peace.&quot;<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *As [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] finishes packing the last of his belongings to be moved to the Cylon basestar, the hull rattles overhead.<br /> *Paulla tells [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] that they now control a majority in at least half the ships in the fleet. While Paulla continues to cheer about their political power, Baltar is informed by [[Virtual Six]] that &quot;humanity's final chapter is about to be written,&quot; with him as the author. Baltar turns back to Paulla, thinking back. <br /> *In [[Sam Anders|Anders']] room, [[Kara Thrace|Kara]] sits with him, contemplating the notes she got from Hera ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). With equations and notes, Kara continues to ponder.<br /> *In the CIC, Lt. [[Hoshi]] cleans up a spill, while Tigh announces that the Admiral will fly out the last Viper personally. He orders that the deck gang keep one launch tube intact and ready for remote activation. Tigh comments on Hoshi's inability to clean up the spill, saying &quot;you won't make Admiral like that.&quot;<br /> *In the brig, [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and an imprisoned [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] argue over the uniqueness of the Eights. Helo points out that Tyrol's relationship with Boomer, much like his with Athena's, are unique. Tyrol scoffs, calling himself a &quot;frakkin' idiot&quot; for not realizing that they're just machines, not people. The Eights are all the same &quot;...because [[Final Five|''we'']] made them the same.&quot; Tyrol says that they can't be trusted, at which point, Helo ends the conversation abruptly. <br /> <br /> '''In Caprica City'''<br /> *As Baltar escorts a lovely young woman into his house, he walks in to find [[Caprica-Six]] there, sitting. Baltar shoos the young woman upstairs, while Baltar declares Caprica an intruder and orders her out. Caprica-Six mentions that she had Julius moved to the Regency, a full-time care facility. Caprica mentions that he loves his new arrangements, and that the last time she saw him, he seemed happy. <br /> <br /> '''Inside [[The_Colony|the Colony]]'''<br /> *Hera draws notes on a large paper, while [[Number One|Cavil]] points out that they're just &quot;little dots.&quot; [[Number Four|Simon]] suggests that they feed Hera through tubes, while [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] insists that the girl just misses her mother. Cavil rejects this idea coldly, saying Hera is just a hybrid who holds the key to Cylon salvation, nothing more. Cavil leaves as Simon prepares a large needle with Hera and Boomer in view.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *[[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] helps [[Hotdog]] (with child in tow) with some pictures that fell while they crossed paths. Hotdog says that he grabbed photos of pilots from the [[Memorial hallway]] to ensure they weren't &quot;left behind&quot;, but mentions there are a lot of photos still on the walls. Adama glances at the photos, stopping at one of [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] kissing [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] on the head. Adama then walks quickly out of the area, pauses, then walks back and takes the photo off the wall. <br /> *On the Hangar Deck, Baltar pleads Lee Adama to listen to a proposal asking for representation within the new government. Despite Baltar's claims that it will be for thousands of people, Lee is dubious of Baltar's motives as he outed Kara's secret. Baltar contends that Lee is letting his feelings for Kara cloud the possibility of genuine conversation. Lee allows him five minutes to state his case and walks away, with Baltar quickly following.<br /> *Admiral Adama looks over Kara's notes regarding the musical notes inside Anders' room. Kara admits she's reaching, looking for patterns and inspirations by assigning numbers to the notes, but is still unsure. Adama asks Kara about Baltar's declaration, which she confirms, and explains how she discovered and burned her remains on Earth. Kara is unsure of what she is, but Adama is sure that he thinks of her as a &quot;daughter&quot;, and tells her not to forget it. Adama wants to ask Anders a question, to which Kara plugs him in. Anders shows signs of movement from his hands as power can be heard. Once powered up, Anders begins to speak in riddles, particularly about Kara. Kara dismisses the statements, and gives Adama the OK to ask his question. Adama decides to have Kara ask the question instead, although the actual question is not heard as the act ends.<br /> <br /> '''In Caprica City'''<br /> *In a tub, Anders responds to a reporter's questions about his possibilities for a championship despite his team being in a rebuilding year. The reporter asks if his career would be incomplete without the championship, to which Anders starts by giving some general, seemingly canned responses. Then, in a candid moment, Anders tells the reporter that the championship, statistics, even the games don't really matter to him, but rather the pursuit of the &quot;perfection&quot; of the moment.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *Inside a Hangar storage area, Baltar tries some pleasantries, but Lee cuts him off and asks for the point. Baltar begins by saying that once ''Galactica'' is gone, that a new life will have begun, to which Baltar believes a different philosophy is needed in the days ahead. Baltar pledges his support to help this new era, but only asks for his people to have a say in government. Lee scoffs at the idea, saying that all he's known of Baltar's actions, is that they have served him in some way, and are all suspect as a result. Lee declines Baltar's request for representation for his group, on the grounds that he can't be trusted. Baltar relents, then leaves.<br /> *As Lee walks out of the storage room and Baltar converses with his followers, Admiral Adama enters, followed by Kara. The Admiral and Kara stretch a line of tape on the floor of the deck. Adama begins to speak to the crew in the Hangar Deck regarding the disappearance of Hera, and that originally a rescue was not practical, but was wrong.<br /> *Across the ship, the crew begins to talk about the rescue plan...<br /> **Hotdog talks with the pilots about where the Admiral got the information. The Admiral didn't say where, but Hotdog speculates that Anders gave the information as Kara was by the Admiral's side.<br /> **Ishay and Cottle discuss the fact that until now, they weren't sure of where Hera was located, but that has apparently changed. Roslin overhears this with a concerned look.<br /> **Tory and Ellen walk through the halls, saying that even with the location, it's not the same as being able to get her. Tory expresses her dislike of the rescue idea, but Ellen argues that Hera's importance is outside their understanding, and that they are all going with them. Tory thinks that Ellen is deciding for the group, but Ellen points out that Tory never liked being alone.<br /> **Tory and Ellen pass Lee Adama, relaying instructions over the phone. Lee mentions that the mission is strictly voluntary, and that any man or woman over the age of 15 may join up, including the ones detained due to the mutiny.<br /> **In the CIC, Colonel Tigh declares that all personnel must make their own choice in person and that the Admiral is waiting on the Hangar Deck. Tigh also gives last minute instructions regarding the watch and watchkeepers, then orders the crew to move. Tigh asks Hoshi what he's going to do, which Hoshi isn't sure about. Tigh mentions that he has &quot;four minutes&quot; to figure it out.<br /> **In their quarters, Helo and Athena discuss the rescue. Helo is very enthusiastic about the attempt, while Athena is convinced Hera's mostly likely dead. Helo still believes that Hera is alive, they will get her back, and everything will be all right. While Athena is still not convinced, Helo says she's wrong and leaves. <br /> <br /> '''In [[Caprica City]]'''<br /> *Lee Adama staggers into his apartment, laughing about a &quot;dare&quot; that took place at Zak and Kara's place. As Lee knocks over some glasses, he spots a pigeon inside his apartment. Lee angrily tries to shoo the pigeon out with a broom, but after breaking more things, gives up in frustration.<br /> <br /> === Act 5 ===<br /> '''In [[Caprica City]]'''<br /> *[[Laura Roslin]] is on the phone with someone while dining alone, dismissing the fact that she is a recluse in the 3 months since her father and sisters' death. She is also adamant against joining Mayor Adar's campaign, saying she doesn't like politics. She makes a deal with the person, however, that she will go on a date with a man, Shawn Ellison, if they drop the idea of Roslin joining Adar's campaign.<br /> <br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *In Sickbay, Laura Roslin puts on her wig, getting ready to leave.<br /> *Admiral Adama gives a final impassioned speech to the assembled crew on the Hangar Deck, saying they should not be obligated to join the mission. Adama has made a personal choice to undertake the mission. Should not enough people join the mission to crew Galactica, a Raptor assault will be lead by him in its place. Adama makes it clear that this mission will mostly likely be one-way, so emotion or sentiment should not be considered. Pointing to the line on the deck, Admiral Adama asks for volunteers to move to the Starboard side and those choosing to remain with the fleet to move to Port.<br /> *The crew begins shifting between sides. During the exchange, Adama asks Dr. Cottle to remain with the fleet, but thanks him for the thought. When all the movement has settled, those among the volunteers include Lee Adama, Starbuck, Hotdog, the Final Five (save Anders), Caprica-Six, and a visibly weakened Laura Roslin. Baltar and his followers do not volunteer for the mission.<br /> <br /> '''Outside [[The Colony|the Colony]]'''<br /> *Raptor 279, piloted by [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]], jump to the coordinates given by Anders. They complete the jump, only to be nearly hit by an asteroid. The two ex-mutineers joke about going on the mission as opposed to being locked up, when Skulls picks up readings of a naked singularity. As the Raptor slides towards the black hole, a DRADIS contact is picked up, to both their amazement.<br /> <br /> '''Aboard ''Galactica'''''<br /> *Adama and a few others look over pictures taken by the Raptor, explaining that Anders has given them an accurate location of [[The Colony|the Colony]], but that it sits in orbit of a &quot;naked singularity&quot; (black hole). The only gravitationally stable entry point sits less than one click from the facility, &quot;point-blank range,&quot; and that the facility's defenses will naturally be trained on that point. Looking at the pictures, the Admiral declares that they should &quot;get to work&quot;.<br /> *&quot;To be continued...&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> <br /> * This episode is the first part of a three hour series finale&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> * The episode does not have an opening teaser beyond the &quot;Previously...&quot; segment and a brief depiction of Galactica deckhands and several Baseship Number Eight pilots guiding passengers to ships and other ''Galactica'' bound ships from the Baseship. Nor does the opening credits include clips from the episode, the first time this has happened since the start of Season 3. As Part II does not have a standard opening credits sequence, this episode marked the final broadcast of the show's theme music and on-screen tally of human survivors.<br /> *We finally learn [[Sherman Cottle|Cottle]]'s first name: Sherman. Admiral Adama uses the name when telling him he's too valuable for the fleet to lose.<br /> * [[Laura Roslin]] had two sisters (one pregnant), and that they and her father were killed in an automobile accident at some point before she was appointed as Secretary of Education under the Adar Administration.<br /> * Baltar's father appears for the first time. Baltar's accent is confirmed to be an affectation, as previously revealed in [[Dirty Hands]].<br /> *A couple of years before the Fall it seems that Lee Adama liked to get drunk and carouse. This is in stark contrast post Fall to his sober and controlled demeanor who looked on with disdain over Kara's, Colonel Tigh's and even his own father's drinking problems. <br /> * Baltar specifically told [[Caprica Six]] he forgot her name, albeit it is possible that he has yet to learn it, despite having a relationship with her.<br /> * Cultural oddity: keep an eye on the rear window of Baltar's limo for a recognizable Vancouver, B.C. street sign.<br /> * After several episodes leaving the facts open to speculation, it is confirmed that the ''Galactica'' pilots that took part in the mutiny, such as [[Racetrack]], were incarcerated and not executed. Ronald D. Moore had previously said that Racetrack, [[Skulls]] and other mutiny participants were confined on the prison ship ''[[Astral Queen]]'' in his podcast for [[Deadlock]]. Also confirmed [[Galen Tyrol]] was imprisoned for his role in unwittingly helping Boomer to escape with Hera (a scene indicating this was filmed for &quot;[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]&quot; but cut from the televised version).<br /> * For the first time in many episodes, the six surviving members of the [[Significant Seven]] appear in the same episode (although [[Leoben]] appears only in the opening recap). This was the first time appearance of a [[Doral]] or a [[Simon]] since [[The Hub]].<br /> * In the flashback to Starbuck's apartment, the painting of the Eye of Jupiter can be seen behind her when she opens the door.<br /> *As [[Hybrid]] [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recites his seemingly random phrases to a listening Admiral Adama and Captain Thrace he says &quot;Slip the surly bonds of Earth and touch the face of perfection&quot; This is a variation of a quote by [[Wikipedia:John Gillespie Magee, Jr|John Gillespie Magee, Jr.]] in his 1941 poem [[Wikipedia: High Flight|High Flight]]: &quot;Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings...&quot; [http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/highflig.htm] The poem goes on and concludes with &quot;Put out my hand and touched the face of God.&quot; This was quoted by Ronald Reagan much closer to Ander's rendition on January 28, 1986 when addressing the nation after the Challenger disaster &quot;We will never forget them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God.&quot;<br /> *At the end of the episode, Lee Adama wears his old Major's [[Uniforms (RDM)#Regular uniform|uniform]] (with white piping), but without his [[Military Ranks (RDM)#Insignia|rank insignia]] or [[Insignia (RDM)#Pilot wings|pilot wings]].<br /> * The known volunteers for the mission include Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Kara Thrace, Athena, Helo, Caprica Six, the Final Five, Hoshi, Nurse Ishay, Hot Dog, Racetrack, and Skulls. Doc Cottle initially volunteers for the mission, but stays behind at Adama's request. Although Gaius Baltar does not volunteer, he seems to be highly conflicted with himself.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *Cavil plans to use Hera to find out how she was created in order to continue the Cylon species, presumably through normal reproduction. <br /> **It also proves Cavil intends to dissect Hera to discover the secret of procreation, confirming both Starbuck's and Athena's worst fears. <br /> *Roslin likely feels quite protective of Hera as despite being barely able to walk, she volunteers for the rescue mission (although her love for Adama likely also played a part in her decision).<br /> *Cottle may be either the best doctor in the fleet or one of the only ones as Adama says he's too valuable for the fleet to lose on the rescue mission.<br /> *Baltar seems conflicted when volunteers are called. This inner conflict stems from his earlier conversation with Lee Adama where he confessed that he had never done anything for purely selfless motivations with no gain for himself. He does not, however, cross the line and join the volunteers.<br /> ** If Baltar does join, then it would seem likely that all the elements are in place to fulfill the Opera House vision: Athena, Roslin, Caprica Six and Baltar will all be in pursuit of Hera.<br /> ** Baltar's Virtual Six has told him many times that he is supposed to be Hera's guardian and &quot;father&quot;. It seems incongruous with his destiny for him not to join a mission to rescue Hera.<br /> *It's clear that despite his controversial choices, Adama still commands a great deal of loyalty and respect from the crew. Much of the crew - or at least those that are on the hangar deck at the time - volunteers for the mission. At the very least, Adama has enough people with him to take ''Galactica'' into battle. <br /> ** It should be noted that although the non-volunteers appear to outnumber the volunteers at least two-to-one, many of the non-volunteers are civilians.<br /> ** It should also be noted that almost all the Marines volunteer for the mission.<br /> ** Also, it is likely Adama will have more volunteers than are visible on screen in the hangar deck scene. Certainly not all the crew of ''Galactica'' were on the hangar deck at the time given the size of the combined crew at this point. Doubtless some had to stay on duty (Colonel Tigh confirms this when he says in CIC that those on duty must report to Adama later to declare themselves) or were on the Cylon basestar or civilian ships helping offload Galactica's stripped parts. It was also probably impractical for the producers to muster some 3000 plus extras for this scene to show Galactica's full crew.<br /> ** Given that Adama had trouble manning ''Galactica'' during the occupation of [[New Caprica]], when the ship was stated as being at half strength, it is fair to assume the Admiral is going to need roughly half the original crew compliment to carry out this last combat mission - roughly 1300 people. As stated above, this many volunteers are not seen on screen, but given some crew could volunteer later, Adama might well muster about this number in the end.<br /> *In the brig Tyrol tells Helo (who is surprisingly civil, even sympathetic toward Tyrol given his hand in the abduction) that the Eights are all the same. He says this both as a word of advice and a warning. He says because they made them the same, Helo can only expect the same betrayal from Athena as displayed by Boomer. However, given the fact that Tyrol has no conscious memory of creating the Eights or the other seven Cylon models, and considering the psychological pain Galen suffered at the betrayal, his opinion most likely comes from emotion and not an intellectual analysis in his disregard of the individuality of Athena and the other Eights, particularly given Athena's track record of loyalty. This also maybe a case of &quot;misery loves company&quot; and Tyrol, subconsciously or knowingly, wants to see Helo and Athena split up to allay his own feelings of being duped, by saying the Eights are all alike and putting doubt in Helo's mind. Also, by claiming that Athena and the other Eights are just machines this could mitigate the guilt for his role in the abduction and possible death of Hera. If Athena is just a machine, then she cannot be hurt emotionally. She has no emotions, just a programmed facsimile. Tyrol wouldn't have to feel responsible for such pain he caused her since, as a machine, she can't really feel it, sparing '''''himself''''' a lot of pain and guilt.<br /> *Tyrol is himself a Cylon machine, so his rant speaks of denial and projected self-hatred as well as bitterness.<br /> *The finale appears to be taking a character-driven approach, devoting significant screen time to pivotal flashbacks for the central characters that relate to their current circumstances. <br /> **We see the first time Starbuck and Apollo' met, with hints alluding to their future romantic relationship.<br /> **Roslin deals with the sudden death of her sisters and father by wading into a fountain, which she uses to disguise the tears that she shed for the lost of her family. The gushing water cuts to a shot of her I.V. drip as she lies dying on Galactica.<br /> **Baltar and Caprica-Six begin their relationship with an act of compassion on Six's part towards Baltar's father. Baltar's selfishness, a theme raised repeatedly in the episode, is contrasted with Caprica Six's seemingly genuine concern for [[Julius Baltar|Julius]].<br /> *One of the shots in the opening sequence is of a sun rising over a blue planet: daybreak. The theme may symbolize an end to the fleet's long four years of gloom and darkness.<br /> **In that image of the planet, Antarctica is clearly seen, specifically the Ronne Ice Shelf, Queen Maud Land, and the Antarctic Peninsula. Where southern South America and southern Africa would be, the surface is covered by clouds, and the location of southern Australia/New Zealand is too dark. Although not as recognizable as the image of North America in [[Crossroads, Part II]], it is clear that the planet shown here is our Earth. <br /> ***Despite the similarities, the sun and the stars are in the wrong position for this to be our Earth. More than likely, the planet being depicted is Caprica. Especially when the sequence is taken as a whole: The Galaxy, Sun rise over a planet, In orbit over the planet, then a helicopter like fly over of Caprica City heavily implies that was Caprica as the planet we saw. <br /> *Hera is drawing &quot;dots&quot;, as Cavil calls them, on the Colony. These are much more numerous than the simple line that she gave Starbuck, its at least a full page long. It seems to be an entire musical score. However, not knowing that they are music notes, Cavil doesn't see this.<br /> *Someone left a picture of Athena about to kiss Hera on the head on the now abandoned memorial wall. It may have been Athena herself, who has given up on Hera's survival.<br /> * Baltar's reaction to Lee's accusation that he has never done a selfless thing in his life shows how much the character of Baltar has grown, especially in the Fourth Season. Previously, whenever someone called Baltar's motives or attributes (especially his loyalty) into question, he reacted very passionately, and angrily, to defend himself (and often led to him being coaxed into doing what Virtual Six wanted, to the detriment of the humans in the fleet). On this occasion, however, Baltar not only does not even attempt to defend himself, he resignedly admits that he wouldn't trust him either (tacitly admitting both that Lee is correct in his assertion and that his self-serving actions have been extremely detrimental in the past). This change in attitude visibly surprises Lee who seems quite taken aback and appears to momentarily contemplate talking to Baltar again when he returns to the Hanger Deck.<br /> * Adama's decision to rescue Hera was prompted by Constanza's remarks about saving the photos of his fallen comrades because he didn't want to leave them behind. It should not then be surprising to see that Constanza was one of the first pilots (not counting Lee Adama) to cross the line and join in the potential suicide mission with Adama.<br /> * Anders' flashback of his life before the War contains an interesting aspect of Anders not seen before. Though he was implanted with memories of being a &quot;jock&quot;, but when he candidly spoke to the sports reporter, he revealed a more intellectual and artistic side of himself. This may be a hint of his former personality (a scientist and musician) before Cavil blocked his memories.<br /> * In a humorous side commentary, Skulls points out that many of the dangerous or lethal Raptor missions are usually given to him and Racetrack. Historically, this has been true as the duo have been pivotal for discoveries such as New Caprica, receiving the first message from the Resistance, discovering that the Cylons were tracking the fleet to the Nebula, propulsion problems (exploding engine) due to contaminated jet fuel.<br /> * Skull's comment of &quot;The more things change the more they stay the same.&quot; is a different twist of quoting the Pythian Prophecy that &quot;All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.&quot; The phrase is a common proverb in English, indicating that surface changes only serve to reveal enduring underlying constants. It is derived from a French epigram by novelist Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr (1808-1890), &quot;plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> === Flashbacks ===<br /> * To what is Adama's flashback conversation referring? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * Who was the drunk driver that killed Roslin's sisters and father? Is he alive in the fleet today?<br /> * Who is Sean Allison and why does his name sound familiar to Roslin? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * What is the time frame for the flashbacks, and is it the same for all characters?<br /> <br /> ===Mission to save Hera=== <br /> * How many of the jailed mutineers volunteer to participate in the mission?<br /> * As the episode began, ''Galactica'' was already being cannibalized for parts; does this mean it will be lacking vital components during the upcoming mission, or has Adama stopped the salvaging?<br /> * Will Boomer help Hera escape? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> ===Cavil's Plan===<br /> * Has Cavil given up on the idea of salvaging Resurrection Technology? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> ===Miscellaneous===<br /> *With [[William Adama|Commander Adama]], [[Saul Tigh|XO Tigh]], [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama|Vice-President Lee Adama]] all joining the Hera rescue mission, who will assume military and political leadership of the Fleet? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * With [[Hotdog]] being one of the volunteers, and especially being aware that he may not return alive, who will take care of Nicholas?<br /> *With Tyrol on the rebound from Sharon Valerii, will Tory Foster and Tyrol renew their romance despite not having their original memories? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * At the very beginning of the episode, an image of the galaxy is displayed which includes several prominent stars in bright colors... is there a connection to Hera's multicolored &quot;dots&quot;? Do her notes represent stars, and will the sequence provide a map that leads to somewhere?<br /> * Will the Cylon baseship remain with the civilian fleet or will they also join in on the rescue mission to save Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> *''In his podcast for [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]], Ronald D. Moore stated that there will be no independent podcast for Daybreak Part I. Instead a single podcast would be made for all three hours including the two hour series finale [[Daybreak, Part II]] and posted at the scifi.com site.'' [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php] (00':30&quot;)<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> :&quot;No one should feel obligated to join this mission in any way. This is a decision I have made for myself. If it turns out that there are not enough personnel to crew [[Galactica|''Galactica'']], I will lead a [[Raptor]] assault with anyone who is willing to join me. Let there be no illusions; this is likely to be a one-way trip! So don't volunteer out of sentiment or emotion. There is a line running down this deck. Volunteers, move to the starboard side; Everyone else, to the port. Make your choice!&quot;<br /> ::--[[William_Adama|Admiral Adama's]] speech to the assembled crew.<br /> <br /> :&quot;You didn't think you were gonna to take off without me Admiral, did you?&quot;<br /> ::--[[Laura Roslin]] volunteering for the rescue mission despite barely being able to walk.<br /> <br /> :&quot;Spins and turns, angles and curves. The shape of dreams, half remembered. Slip the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of perfection - a perfect face, perfect lace. Find the perfect world for the end of Kara Thrace. End of line.&quot;<br /> ::--[[Samuel Anders|Anders]]'s hybrid-speak when powered on to speak with [[Kara Thrace]] and [[William_Adama|Admiral Adama]].<br /> <br /> :&quot;She’s right, Gaius. The end times are approaching. Humanity’s final chapters are about to be written. And you - you will be its author.&quot;<br /> ::--[[Virtual Six]] to [[Gaius Baltar]].<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Antony Holland]] as [[Julius Baltar]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Elan Ross Gibson]] as Nurse [[Barbara]]<br /> * [[France Perras]] as [[Sandra Roslin]]<br /> * [[Sarah Deakins]] as [[Cheryl Roslin]]<br /> * [[Tiffany Burns]] as Reporter [[Carolyn]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Stefanie Samuels]] as Police Officer<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */ spelling</p> <hr /> <div>{{Message_box<br /> | image = BSG WIKI Caution.png<br /> | heading = CONTRIBUTORS: Remember that an episode summary is just that, a ''summary''. '''Don't use the article to ask questions that you haven't bothered to search for in related articles.''' Limit speculation; the Re-imagined Series is essentially over: ''no further significant revelations should be expected.'' Follow [[BW:SAC|standards]]: Don't ask questions in questions. If an answer is found, move that data to the relevant article, phrasing it as a statement in the article body. This article will be naturally long; be [[BW:CON|concise]] and avoid unnecessary detail. Thanks!<br /> | message =<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image=Daybreak Teaser.jpg<br /> | title= Daybreak, Part II &amp; Part III<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 20<br /> | guests= <br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]&lt;ref&gt;http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=422<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 20, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=<br /> | prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> | next=[[The Plan]]<br /> | extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | forumthread=3050<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br /> * In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.<br /> * Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar&lt;ref&gt;This is a side reference to the events of the episode, &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].<br /> * Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.<br /> * Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. &quot;The night's young. Apparently, so are you,&quot; she says. &quot;Let's see what happens.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.<br /> * He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2=== <br /> <br /> * In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br /> <br /> * In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, &quot;start throwing rocks,&quot; he says with a small smile.<br /> <br /> * The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br /> * The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br /> * In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. &quot;Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock,&quot; Tigh quips. &quot;Take too much time,&quot; Adama answers. <br /> * With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br /> * Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br /> * Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br /> * Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br /> * Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br /> * [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br /> * Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br /> * In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br /> * Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br /> <br /> * The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br /> * With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br /> * ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br /> * Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br /> * [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br /> * [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br /> * The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br /> <br /> * Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br /> * Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br /> * [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br /> <br /> * In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. &quot;All of the pieces are falling into place.&quot;<br /> * The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br /> * With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br /> <br /> * The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she &quot;owed him one.&quot; With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br /> * A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br /> <br /> * Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, &quot;Stopped for coffee.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.&lt;/ref&gt; With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br /> * Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br /> * Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br /> * Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br /> * As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br /> * Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br /> * Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has seen angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God| Virtual Six once told him]]), &quot;God is not on anyone's side.&quot; The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br /> * Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br /> * Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br /> <br /> ===Act 6===<br /> <br /> * Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br /> * The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br /> * But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see &quot;certain things&quot; of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. &quot;I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!&quot;<br /> * The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br /> * Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br /> * As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated &quot;[[Frak]]!&quot; before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br /> <br /> * High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br /> * The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br /> * Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br /> * She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br /> * &quot;Where have you taken us, Kara?&quot; Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br /> * But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br /> <br /> ===Act 7===<br /> <br /> * The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br /> * Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br /> * On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br /> * At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br /> * A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br /> * Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br /> <br /> * Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, &quot;I'll see you on the other side.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===Act 8===<br /> <br /> * Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br /> * He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br /> * As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, &quot;Are you a Cylon?&quot; and &quot;Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?&quot; Adama is angered and leaves, saying, &quot;I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word.&quot;<br /> * Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br /> <br /> * Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br /> * As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br /> <br /> * Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br /> <br /> ===Act 9===<br /> <br /> * On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. &quot;A very beautiful world,&quot; she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, &quot;Earth is a dream,&quot; believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br /> * Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br /> * Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of &quot;[[Nothing but the rain]]&quot; before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br /> <br /> * Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. &quot;I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br /> <br /> * &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee,&quot; Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. &quot;Goodbye, Kara,&quot; he says. &quot;You won't be forgotten.&quot;<br /> * A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br /> <br /> * In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. &quot;So much..life,&quot; Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br /> * Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br /> * In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. &quot;Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there,&quot; he says, pointing to some hills.<br /> <br /> ===Act 10===<br /> <br /> * A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br /> * The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br /> <br /> * Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, &quot;God's plan is never complete.&quot; &quot;Great...&quot; Baltar replies sullenly.<br /> * Virtual-Baltar counters, &quot;I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to &quot;peek&quot; into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br /> <br /> * When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. &quot;I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you.&quot;<br /> * As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br /> <br /> * The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br /> <br /> * As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br /> <br /> * As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br /> <br /> * The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br /> <br /> * &quot;You know it doesn't like that name,&quot; Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. &quot;Silly. Silly me,&quot; he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br /> <br /> * The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of &quot;[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]&quot; plays.<br /> <br /> * The story ends.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th &lt;ref&gt;http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html&lt;/ref&gt;. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot; and &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;.<br /> *Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in &quot;[[Daybreak, Part I]]&quot; before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br /> **A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,405. This does not include the unknown number of humaniod Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br /> *With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br /> *There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br /> ** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br /> **Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br /> **Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br /> **Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br /> **The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br /> **The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br /> **This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being &quot;Poetic justice&quot; and Lee Adama's &quot;What goes around, comes around&quot; since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br /> *Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br /> *This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br /> **Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br /> **Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br /> ***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br /> **Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by a meteor penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by a asteroid.<br /> **Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br /> **Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br /> **Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br /> **Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br /> **Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her. <br /> *This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br /> *The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.<br /> *Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br /> *Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.<br /> *The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely matrilineal one).<br /> ** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br /> ** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have daughters to pass on her (Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.<br /> *The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br /> *The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defence Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command &amp; Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br /> *When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br /> *The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, &quot;Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe&quot;, W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br /> *The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br /> **It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br /> *Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingoes flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice.<br /> *The news network covering the story &quot;Advances in Robotics&quot; as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> *The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br /> <br /> :1 = C#<br /> :2 = D<br /> :3 = E<br /> :(4 = F#)<br /> :5 = G#<br /> :6 = A<br /> :(7 = B)<br /> <br /> :The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second &quot;five&quot; (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br /> *The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br /> *Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br /> *It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the &quot;Notes&quot; section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br /> *On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br /> *[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br /> *The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br /> *The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br /> * There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof). <br /> * In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br /> * Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br /> * Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br /> * The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br /> * The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the &quot;Big Dipper&quot;) appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * What becomes of the Centurions?<br /> ** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br /> ** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br /> ** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br /> * Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)<br /> **It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.<br /> *The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br /> **Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.<br /> * Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br /> ** [[RDM]] has stated &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt; that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: &quot;I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself.&quot;<br /> * What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br /> * Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br /> * If &quot;it&quot; doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does &quot;it&quot; like to be called?<br /> * Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br /> * Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br /> ** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.<br /> * Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br /> * Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br /> * Can Thrace ever return again?<br /> * Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br /> * Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br /> * Were Caprica Six and Baltar &quot;supposed&quot; to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?<br /> * Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br /> * Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br /> * What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the &lt;i&gt;[[Astral Queen]]&lt;/i&gt;? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br /> * Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br /> * Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br /> * Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br /> ** It appears that faction of the Cylon race did not accept the final fives offer to have humanoid models built ''for'' them, so it stands to reason they are the most &quot;pure&quot; cylon following their own path and would not want to share human DNA.<br /> * How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br /> * Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br /> * Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br /> * Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)<br /> ** No because what we deem human must indeed be a mixture of human and cylon.<br /> * Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br /> * Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br /> * Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis) <br /> * Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br /> * Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?<br /> * Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br /> * How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br /> **New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br /> *** Possibly gross exaggeration of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occured during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away.<br /> * Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br /> * In what part of Earth (a northerly island with &quot;highlands&quot;) did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br /> ** Scotland, according an interview with RDM &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she &quot;jump&quot; to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br /> * In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; that would lead humanity to its &quot;end&quot;?<br /> ** The pure Human and pure Cylon races both came to an end due to Starbucks part in bringing them together.<br /> * How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br /> * In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br /> * During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br /> **The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br /> * Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?<br /> * Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br /> **As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br /> ** What Saul and Bill discuss is not necessarily fact; they don't know everything about the Cylons and characters are often seen speculating throughout the show in ways that have turned out to be false. For eg. in Season 1, some were scared people had been &quot;replaced&quot; by cylons, which never happens.<br /> ** Ellen said John Cavil was once a boy, but this is not necessarily literal.<br /> * Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br /> **If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want &quot;justice&quot; for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.<br /> * Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br /> * Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?<br /> * Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?<br /> * Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> &quot;Silly me.... silly, silly me.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Baltar in the last line of the series.<br /> <br /> &quot;Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'''s seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Admiral Adama, prior to the jump to the Colony<br /> <br /> &quot;Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil to the Final Five<br /> <br /> &quot;Frak!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.<br /> <br /> &quot;Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;Right.&quot; (Athena kills Boomer)&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck and Athena about Boomer before Athena kills her.<br /> <br /> &quot;There must be some kind of way out of here.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.<br /> <br /> &quot;All of this has happened before...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;But does it all have to happen again?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.<br /> <br /> &quot;See you on the other side&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Samuel Anders<br /> <br /> &quot;You know, I know about farming.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Baltar to Caprica Six<br /> <br /> &quot;Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin to Dr Cottle.<br /> <br /> &quot;So much life...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin's last words.<br /> <br /> (To the grave of Laura Roslin) &quot;I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easterly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --William Adama's last line<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br /> * [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: /* Questions */ it is simply not possible within a short 150,000 years.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Message_box<br /> | image = BSG WIKI Caution.png<br /> | heading = CONTRIBUTORS: Remember that an episode summary is just that, a ''summary''. '''Don't use the article to ask questions that you haven't bothered to search for in related articles.''' Limit speculation; the Re-imagined Series is essentially over: ''no further significant revelations should be expected.'' Follow [[BW:SAC|standards]]: Don't ask questions in questions. If an answer is found, move that data to the relevant article, phrasing it as a statement in the article body. This article will be naturally long; be [[BW:CON|concise]] and avoid unnecessary detail. Thanks!<br /> | message =<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image=Daybreak Teaser.jpg<br /> | title= Daybreak, Part II &amp; Part III<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 20<br /> | guests= <br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]&lt;ref&gt;http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=422<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 20, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=<br /> | prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> | next=[[The Plan]]<br /> | extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | forumthread=3050<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br /> * In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.<br /> * Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar&lt;ref&gt;This is a side reference to the events of the episode, &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].<br /> * Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.<br /> * Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. &quot;The night's young. Apparently, so are you,&quot; she says. &quot;Let's see what happens.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.<br /> * He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2=== <br /> <br /> * In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br /> <br /> * In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, &quot;start throwing rocks,&quot; he says with a small smile.<br /> <br /> * The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br /> * The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br /> * In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. &quot;Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock,&quot; Tigh quips. &quot;Take too much time,&quot; Adama answers. <br /> * With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br /> * Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br /> * Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br /> * Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br /> * Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br /> * [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br /> * Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br /> * In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br /> * Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br /> <br /> * The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br /> * With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br /> * ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br /> * Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br /> * [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br /> * [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br /> * The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br /> <br /> * Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br /> * Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br /> * [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br /> <br /> * In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. &quot;All of the pieces are falling into place.&quot;<br /> * The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br /> * With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br /> <br /> * The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she &quot;owed him one.&quot; With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br /> * A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br /> <br /> * Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, &quot;Stopped for coffee.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.&lt;/ref&gt; With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br /> * Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br /> * Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br /> * Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br /> * As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br /> * Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br /> * Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has seen angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God| Virtual Six once told him]]), &quot;God is not on anyone's side.&quot; The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br /> * Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br /> * Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br /> <br /> ===Act 6===<br /> <br /> * Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br /> * The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br /> * But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see &quot;certain things&quot; of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. &quot;I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!&quot;<br /> * The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br /> * Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br /> * As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated &quot;[[Frak]]!&quot; before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br /> <br /> * High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br /> * The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br /> * Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br /> * She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br /> * &quot;Where have you taken us, Kara?&quot; Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br /> * But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br /> <br /> ===Act 7===<br /> <br /> * The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br /> * Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br /> * On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br /> * At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br /> * A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br /> * Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br /> <br /> * Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, &quot;I'll see you on the other side.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===Act 8===<br /> <br /> * Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br /> * He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br /> * As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, &quot;Are you a Cylon?&quot; and &quot;Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?&quot; Adama is angered and leaves, saying, &quot;I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word.&quot;<br /> * Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br /> <br /> * Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br /> * As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br /> <br /> * Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br /> <br /> ===Act 9===<br /> <br /> * On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. &quot;A very beautiful world,&quot; she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, &quot;Earth is a dream,&quot; believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br /> * Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br /> * Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of &quot;[[Nothing but the rain]]&quot; before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br /> <br /> * Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. &quot;I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br /> <br /> * &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee,&quot; Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. &quot;Goodbye, Kara,&quot; he says. &quot;You won't be forgotten.&quot;<br /> * A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br /> <br /> * In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. &quot;So much..life,&quot; Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br /> * Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br /> * In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. &quot;Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there,&quot; he says, pointing to some hills.<br /> <br /> ===Act 10===<br /> <br /> * A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br /> * The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br /> <br /> * Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, &quot;God's plan is never complete.&quot; &quot;Great...&quot; Baltar replies sullenly.<br /> * Virtual-Baltar counters, &quot;I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to &quot;peek&quot; into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br /> <br /> * When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. &quot;I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you.&quot;<br /> * As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br /> <br /> * The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br /> <br /> * As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br /> <br /> * As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br /> <br /> * The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br /> <br /> * &quot;You know it doesn't like that name,&quot; Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. &quot;Silly. Silly me,&quot; he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br /> <br /> * The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of &quot;[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]&quot; plays.<br /> <br /> * The story ends.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th &lt;ref&gt;http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html&lt;/ref&gt;. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot; and &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;.<br /> *Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in &quot;[[Daybreak, Part I]]&quot; before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br /> **A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,405. This does not include the unknown number of humaniod Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br /> *With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br /> *There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br /> ** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br /> **Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br /> **Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br /> **Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br /> **The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br /> **The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br /> **This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being &quot;Poetic justice&quot; and Lee Adama's &quot;What goes around, comes around&quot; since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br /> *Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br /> *This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br /> **Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br /> **Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br /> ***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br /> **Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by a meteor penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by a asteroid.<br /> **Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br /> **Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br /> **Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br /> **Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br /> **Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her. <br /> *This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br /> *The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.<br /> *Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br /> *Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.<br /> *The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely matrilineal one).<br /> ** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br /> ** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have daughters to pass on her (Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.<br /> *The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br /> *The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defence Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command &amp; Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br /> *When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br /> *The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, &quot;Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe&quot;, W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br /> *The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br /> **It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br /> *Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingoes flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice.<br /> *The news network covering the story &quot;Advances in Robotics&quot; as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> *The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br /> <br /> :1 = C#<br /> :2 = D<br /> :3 = E<br /> :(4 = F#)<br /> :5 = G#<br /> :6 = A<br /> :(7 = B)<br /> <br /> :The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second &quot;five&quot; (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br /> *The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br /> *Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br /> *It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the &quot;Notes&quot; section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br /> *On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br /> *[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br /> *The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br /> *The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br /> * There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof). <br /> * In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br /> * Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br /> * Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br /> * The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br /> * The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the &quot;Big Dipper&quot;) appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * What becomes of the Centurions?<br /> ** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br /> ** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br /> ** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br /> * Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)<br /> **It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.<br /> *The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br /> **Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.<br /> * Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br /> ** [[RDM]] has stated &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt; that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: &quot;I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself.&quot;<br /> * What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br /> * Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br /> * If &quot;it&quot; doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does &quot;it&quot; like to be called?<br /> * Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br /> * Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br /> ** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.<br /> * Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br /> * Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br /> * Can Thrace ever return again?<br /> * Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br /> * Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br /> * Were Caprica Six and Baltar &quot;supposed&quot; to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?<br /> * Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br /> * Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br /> * What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the &lt;i&gt;[[Astral Queen]]&lt;/i&gt;? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br /> * Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br /> * Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br /> * Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br /> ** It appears that faction of the Cylon race did not accept the final fives offer to have humanoid models built ''for'' them, so it stands to reason they are the most &quot;pure&quot; cylon following their own path and would not want to share human DNA.<br /> * How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br /> * Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br /> * Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br /> * Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)<br /> ** No because what we deem human must indeed be a mixture of human and cylon.<br /> * Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br /> * Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br /> * Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis) <br /> * Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br /> * Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?<br /> * Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br /> * How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br /> **New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br /> *** Possibly gross exaggeration of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occured during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away.<br /> * Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br /> * In what part of Earth (a northerly island with &quot;highlands&quot;) did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br /> ** Scotland, according an interview with RDM &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she &quot;jump&quot; to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br /> * In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; that would lead humanity to its &quot;end&quot;?<br /> ** The pure Human and pure Cylon races both came to an end due to Starbucks part in bringing them together.<br /> * How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br /> * In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br /> * During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br /> **The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br /> * Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?<br /> * Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br /> **As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br /> ** What Saul and Bill discuss is not necessarily fact; they don't know everything about the Cylons and characters are often seen speculating throughout the show in ways that have turned out to be false. For eg. in Season 1, some were scared people had been &quot;replaced&quot; by cylons, which never happens.<br /> ** Ellen said John Cavil was once a boy, but this is not necessarily literal.<br /> * Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br /> **If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want &quot;justice&quot; for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.<br /> * Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br /> * Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?<br /> * Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?<br /> * Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> &quot;Silly me.... silly, silly me.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Baltar in the last line of the series.<br /> <br /> &quot;Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'''s seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Admiral Adama, prior to the jump to the Colony<br /> <br /> &quot;Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil to the Final Five<br /> <br /> &quot;Frak!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.<br /> <br /> &quot;Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;Right.&quot; (Athena kills Boomer)&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck and Athena about Boomer before Athena kills her.<br /> <br /> &quot;There must be some kind of way out of here.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.<br /> <br /> &quot;All of this has happened before...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;But does it all have to happen again?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.<br /> <br /> &quot;See you on the other side&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Samuel Anders<br /> <br /> &quot;You know, I know about farming.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Baltar to Caprica Six<br /> <br /> &quot;Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin to Dr Cottle.<br /> <br /> &quot;So much life...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin's last words.<br /> <br /> (To the grave of Laura Roslin) &quot;I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --William Adama's last line<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br /> * [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: /* Questions */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Message_box<br /> | image = BSG WIKI Caution.png<br /> | heading = CONTRIBUTORS: Remember that an episode summary is just that, a ''summary''. '''Don't use the article to ask questions that you haven't bothered to search for in related articles.''' Limit speculation; the Re-imagined Series is essentially over: ''no further significant revelations should be expected.'' Follow [[BW:SAC|standards]]: Don't ask questions in questions. If an answer is found, move that data to the relevant article, phrasing it as a statement in the article body. This article will be naturally long; be [[BW:CON|concise]] and avoid unnecessary detail. Thanks!<br /> | message =<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image=Daybreak Teaser.jpg<br /> | title= Daybreak, Part II &amp; Part III<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 20<br /> | guests= <br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]&lt;ref&gt;http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=422<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 20, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=<br /> | prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> | next=[[The Plan]]<br /> | extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | forumthread=3050<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br /> * In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.<br /> * Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar&lt;ref&gt;This is a side reference to the events of the episode, &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].<br /> * Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.<br /> * Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. &quot;The night's young. Apparently, so are you,&quot; she says. &quot;Let's see what happens.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.<br /> * He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2=== <br /> <br /> * In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br /> <br /> * In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, &quot;start throwing rocks,&quot; he says with a small smile.<br /> <br /> * The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br /> * The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br /> * In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. &quot;Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock,&quot; Tigh quips. &quot;Take too much time,&quot; Adama answers. <br /> * With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br /> * Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br /> * Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br /> * Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br /> * Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br /> * [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br /> * Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br /> * In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br /> * Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br /> <br /> * The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br /> * With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br /> * ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br /> * Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br /> * [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br /> * [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br /> * The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br /> <br /> * Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br /> * Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br /> * [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br /> <br /> * In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. &quot;All of the pieces are falling into place.&quot;<br /> * The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br /> * With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br /> <br /> * The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she &quot;owed him one.&quot; With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br /> * A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br /> <br /> * Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, &quot;Stopped for coffee.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.&lt;/ref&gt; With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br /> * Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br /> * Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br /> * Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br /> * As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br /> * Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br /> * Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has seen angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God| Virtual Six once told him]]), &quot;God is not on anyone's side.&quot; The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br /> * Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br /> * Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br /> <br /> ===Act 6===<br /> <br /> * Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br /> * The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br /> * But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see &quot;certain things&quot; of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. &quot;I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!&quot;<br /> * The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br /> * Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br /> * As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated &quot;[[Frak]]!&quot; before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br /> <br /> * High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br /> * The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br /> * Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br /> * She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br /> * &quot;Where have you taken us, Kara?&quot; Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br /> * But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br /> <br /> ===Act 7===<br /> <br /> * The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br /> * Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br /> * On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br /> * At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br /> * A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br /> * Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br /> <br /> * Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, &quot;I'll see you on the other side.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===Act 8===<br /> <br /> * Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br /> * He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br /> * As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, &quot;Are you a Cylon?&quot; and &quot;Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?&quot; Adama is angered and leaves, saying, &quot;I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word.&quot;<br /> * Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br /> <br /> * Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br /> * As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br /> <br /> * Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br /> <br /> ===Act 9===<br /> <br /> * On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. &quot;A very beautiful world,&quot; she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, &quot;Earth is a dream,&quot; believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br /> * Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br /> * Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of &quot;[[Nothing but the rain]]&quot; before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br /> <br /> * Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. &quot;I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br /> <br /> * &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee,&quot; Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. &quot;Goodbye, Kara,&quot; he says. &quot;You won't be forgotten.&quot;<br /> * A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br /> <br /> * In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. &quot;So much..life,&quot; Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br /> * Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br /> * In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. &quot;Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there,&quot; he says, pointing to some hills.<br /> <br /> ===Act 10===<br /> <br /> * A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br /> * The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br /> <br /> * Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, &quot;God's plan is never complete.&quot; &quot;Great...&quot; Baltar replies sullenly.<br /> * Virtual-Baltar counters, &quot;I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to &quot;peek&quot; into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br /> <br /> * When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. &quot;I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you.&quot;<br /> * As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br /> <br /> * The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br /> <br /> * As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br /> <br /> * As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br /> <br /> * The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br /> <br /> * &quot;You know it doesn't like that name,&quot; Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. &quot;Silly. Silly me,&quot; he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br /> <br /> * The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of &quot;[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]&quot; plays.<br /> <br /> * The story ends.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th &lt;ref&gt;http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html&lt;/ref&gt;. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot; and &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;.<br /> *Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in &quot;[[Daybreak, Part I]]&quot; before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br /> **A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,405. This does not include the unknown number of humaniod Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br /> *With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br /> *There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br /> ** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br /> **Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br /> **Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br /> **Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br /> **The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br /> **The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br /> **This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being &quot;Poetic justice&quot; and Lee Adama's &quot;What goes around, comes around&quot; since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br /> *Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br /> *This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br /> **Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br /> **Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br /> ***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br /> **Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by a meteor penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by a asteroid.<br /> **Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br /> **Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br /> **Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br /> **Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br /> **Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her. <br /> *This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br /> *The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.<br /> *Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br /> *Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.<br /> *The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely matrilineal one).<br /> ** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br /> ** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have daughters to pass on her (Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.<br /> *The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br /> *The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defence Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command &amp; Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br /> *When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br /> *The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, &quot;Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe&quot;, W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br /> *The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br /> **It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br /> *Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingoes flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice.<br /> *The news network covering the story &quot;Advances in Robotics&quot; as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> *The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br /> <br /> :1 = C#<br /> :2 = D<br /> :3 = E<br /> :(4 = F#)<br /> :5 = G#<br /> :6 = A<br /> :(7 = B)<br /> <br /> :The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second &quot;five&quot; (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br /> *The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br /> *Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br /> *It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the &quot;Notes&quot; section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br /> *On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br /> *[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br /> *The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br /> *The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br /> * There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof). <br /> * In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br /> * Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br /> * Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br /> * The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br /> * The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the &quot;Big Dipper&quot;) appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * What becomes of the Centurions?<br /> ** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br /> ** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br /> ** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br /> * Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)<br /> **It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.<br /> *The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br /> **Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.<br /> * Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br /> ** [[RDM]] has stated &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt; that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: &quot;I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself.&quot;<br /> * What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br /> * Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br /> * If &quot;it&quot; doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does &quot;it&quot; like to be called?<br /> * Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br /> * Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br /> ** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.<br /> * Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br /> * Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br /> * Can Thrace ever return again?<br /> * Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br /> * Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br /> * Were Caprica Six and Baltar &quot;supposed&quot; to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?<br /> * Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br /> * Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br /> * What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the &lt;i&gt;[[Astral Queen]]&lt;/i&gt;? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br /> * Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br /> * Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br /> * Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br /> ** It appears that faction of the Cylon race did not accept the final fives offer to have humanoid models built ''for'' them, so it stands to reason they are the most &quot;pure&quot; cylon following their own path and would not want to share human DNA.<br /> * How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br /> * Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br /> * Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br /> * Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)<br /> ** No because what we deem human must indeed be a mixture of human and cylon.<br /> * Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br /> * Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br /> * Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis) <br /> * Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br /> * Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?<br /> * Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br /> * How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br /> **New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br /> *** Possibly gross exaggeration of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occured during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away.<br /> *** After 150,000 years, it's also possible that the second Earth occupies a position in galaxy that is relatively similar to the position of the first Earth at the time of the series.<br /> * Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br /> * In what part of Earth (a northerly island with &quot;highlands&quot;) did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br /> ** Scotland, according an interview with RDM &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she &quot;jump&quot; to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br /> * In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; that would lead humanity to its &quot;end&quot;?<br /> ** The pure Human and pure Cylon races both came to an end due to Starbucks part in bringing them together.<br /> * How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br /> * In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br /> * During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br /> **The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br /> * Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?<br /> * Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br /> **As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br /> ** What Saul and Bill discuss is not necessarily fact; they don't know everything about the Cylons and characters are often seen speculating throughout the show in ways that have turned out to be false. For eg. in Season 1, some were scared people had been &quot;replaced&quot; by cylons, which never happens.<br /> ** Ellen said John Cavil was once a boy, but this is not necessarily literal.<br /> * Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br /> **If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want &quot;justice&quot; for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.<br /> * Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br /> * Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?<br /> * Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?<br /> * Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> &quot;Silly me.... silly, silly me.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Baltar in the last line of the series.<br /> <br /> &quot;Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'''s seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Admiral Adama, prior to the jump to the Colony<br /> <br /> &quot;Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil to the Final Five<br /> <br /> &quot;Frak!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.<br /> <br /> &quot;Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;Right.&quot; (Athena kills Boomer)&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck and Athena about Boomer before Athena kills her.<br /> <br /> &quot;There must be some kind of way out of here.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.<br /> <br /> &quot;All of this has happened before...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;But does it all have to happen again?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.<br /> <br /> &quot;See you on the other side&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Samuel Anders<br /> <br /> &quot;You know, I know about farming.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Baltar to Caprica Six<br /> <br /> &quot;Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin to Dr Cottle.<br /> <br /> &quot;So much life...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin's last words.<br /> <br /> (To the grave of Laura Roslin) &quot;I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --William Adama's last line<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br /> * [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Message_box<br /> | image = BSG WIKI Caution.png<br /> | heading = CONTRIBUTORS: Remember that an episode summary is just that, a ''summary''. '''Don't use the article to ask questions that you haven't bothered to search for in related articles.''' Limit speculation; the Re-imagined Series is essentially over: ''no further significant revelations should be expected.'' Follow [[BW:SAC|standards]]: Don't ask questions in questions. If an answer is found, move that data to the relevant article, phrasing it as a statement in the article body. This article will be naturally long; be [[BW:CON|concise]] and avoid unnecessary detail. Thanks!<br /> | message =<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image=Daybreak Teaser.jpg<br /> | title= Daybreak, Part II &amp; Part III<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 20<br /> | guests= <br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]&lt;ref&gt;http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=422<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 20, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=<br /> | prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> | next=[[The Plan]]<br /> | extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | forumthread=3050<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br /> * In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.<br /> * Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar&lt;ref&gt;This is a side reference to the events of the episode, &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].<br /> * Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.<br /> * Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. &quot;The night's young. Apparently, so are you,&quot; she says. &quot;Let's see what happens.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.<br /> * He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2=== <br /> <br /> * In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br /> <br /> * In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, &quot;start throwing rocks,&quot; he says with a small smile.<br /> <br /> * The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br /> * The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br /> * In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. &quot;Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock,&quot; Tigh quips. &quot;Take too much time,&quot; Adama answers. <br /> * With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br /> * Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br /> * Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br /> * Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br /> * Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br /> * [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br /> * Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br /> * In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br /> * Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br /> <br /> * The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br /> * With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br /> * ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br /> * Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br /> * [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br /> * [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br /> * The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br /> <br /> * Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br /> * Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br /> * [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br /> <br /> * In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. &quot;All of the pieces are falling into place.&quot;<br /> * The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br /> * With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br /> <br /> * The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she &quot;owed him one.&quot; With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br /> * A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br /> <br /> * Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, &quot;Stopped for coffee.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.&lt;/ref&gt; With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br /> * Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br /> * Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br /> * Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br /> * As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br /> * Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br /> * Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has seen angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God| Virtual Six once told him]]), &quot;God is not on anyone's side.&quot; The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br /> * Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br /> * Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br /> <br /> ===Act 6===<br /> <br /> * Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br /> * The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br /> * But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see &quot;certain things&quot; of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. &quot;I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!&quot;<br /> * The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br /> * Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br /> * As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated &quot;[[Frak]]!&quot; before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br /> <br /> * High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br /> * The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br /> * Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br /> * She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br /> * &quot;Where have you taken us, Kara?&quot; Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br /> * But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br /> <br /> ===Act 7===<br /> <br /> * The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br /> * Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br /> * On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br /> * At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br /> * A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br /> * Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br /> <br /> * Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, &quot;I'll see you on the other side.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===Act 8===<br /> <br /> * Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br /> * He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br /> * As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, &quot;Are you a Cylon?&quot; and &quot;Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?&quot; Adama is angered and leaves, saying, &quot;I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word.&quot;<br /> * Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br /> <br /> * Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br /> * As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br /> <br /> * Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br /> <br /> ===Act 9===<br /> <br /> * On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. &quot;A very beautiful world,&quot; she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, &quot;Earth is a dream,&quot; believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br /> * Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br /> * Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of &quot;[[Nothing but the rain]]&quot; before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br /> <br /> * Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. &quot;I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br /> <br /> * &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee,&quot; Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. &quot;Goodbye, Kara,&quot; he says. &quot;You won't be forgotten.&quot;<br /> * A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br /> <br /> * In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. &quot;So much..life,&quot; Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br /> * Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br /> * In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. &quot;Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there,&quot; he says, pointing to some hills.<br /> <br /> ===Act 10===<br /> <br /> * A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br /> * The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br /> <br /> * Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, &quot;God's plan is never complete.&quot; &quot;Great...&quot; Baltar replies sullenly.<br /> * Virtual-Baltar counters, &quot;I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to &quot;peek&quot; into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br /> <br /> * When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. &quot;I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you.&quot;<br /> * As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br /> <br /> * The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br /> <br /> * As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br /> <br /> * As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br /> <br /> * The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br /> <br /> * &quot;You know it doesn't like that name,&quot; Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. &quot;Silly. Silly me,&quot; he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br /> <br /> * The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of &quot;[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]&quot; plays.<br /> <br /> * The story ends.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th &lt;ref&gt;http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html&lt;/ref&gt;. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot; and &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;.<br /> *Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in &quot;[[Daybreak, Part I]]&quot; before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br /> **A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,405. This does not include the unknown number of humaniod Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br /> *With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br /> *There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br /> ** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br /> **Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br /> **Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br /> **Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br /> **The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br /> **The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br /> **This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being &quot;Poetic justice&quot; and Lee Adama's &quot;What goes around, comes around&quot; since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br /> *Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br /> *This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br /> **Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br /> **Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br /> ***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br /> **Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by a meteor penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by a asteroid.<br /> **Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br /> **Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br /> **Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br /> **Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br /> **Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her. <br /> *This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br /> *The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.<br /> *Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br /> *Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.<br /> *The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely matrilineal one).<br /> ** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br /> ** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have daughters to pass on her (Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.<br /> *The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br /> *The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defence Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command &amp; Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br /> *When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br /> *The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, &quot;Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe&quot;, W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br /> *The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br /> **It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br /> *Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingoes flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice.<br /> *The news network covering the story &quot;Advances in Robotics&quot; as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> *The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br /> <br /> :1 = C#<br /> :2 = D<br /> :3 = E<br /> :(4 = F#)<br /> :5 = G#<br /> :6 = A<br /> :(7 = B)<br /> <br /> :The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second &quot;five&quot; (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br /> *The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br /> *Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br /> *It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the &quot;Notes&quot; section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br /> *On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br /> *[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br /> *The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br /> *The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br /> * There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof). <br /> * In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br /> * Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br /> * Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br /> * The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br /> * The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the &quot;Big Dipper&quot;) appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * What becomes of the Centurions?<br /> ** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br /> ** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br /> ** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br /> * Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)<br /> **It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.<br /> *The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br /> **Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.<br /> * Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br /> ** [[RDM]] has stated &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt; that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: &quot;I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself.&quot;<br /> * What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br /> * Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br /> * If &quot;it&quot; doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does &quot;it&quot; like to be called?<br /> * Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br /> * Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br /> ** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.<br /> * Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br /> * Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br /> * Can Thrace ever return again?<br /> * Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br /> * Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br /> * Were Caprica Six and Baltar &quot;supposed&quot; to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?<br /> * Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br /> * Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br /> * What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the &lt;i&gt;[[Astral Queen]]&lt;/i&gt;? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br /> * Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br /> * Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br /> * Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br /> * How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br /> * Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br /> * Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br /> * Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)<br /> * Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br /> * Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br /> * Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis) <br /> * Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br /> * Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?<br /> * Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br /> * How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br /> **New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br /> *** Possibly gross exaggeration of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occured during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away.<br /> *** After 150,000 years, it's also possible that the second Earth occupies a position in galaxy that is relatively similar to the position of the first Earth at the time of the series.<br /> * Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br /> * In what part of Earth (a northerly island with &quot;highlands&quot;) did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br /> ** Scotland, according an interview with RDM &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she &quot;jump&quot; to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br /> * In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; that would lead humanity to its &quot;end&quot;?<br /> * How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br /> * In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br /> * During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br /> **The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br /> * Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?<br /> * Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br /> **As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br /> * Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br /> **If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want &quot;justice&quot; for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.<br /> * Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br /> * Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?<br /> * Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?<br /> * Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> &quot;Silly me.... silly, silly me.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Baltar in the last line of the series.<br /> <br /> &quot;Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'''s seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Admiral Adama, prior to the jump to the Colony<br /> <br /> &quot;Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil to the Final Five<br /> <br /> &quot;Frak!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.<br /> <br /> &quot;Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;Right.&quot; (Athena kills Boomer)&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck and Athena about Boomer before Athena kills her.<br /> <br /> &quot;There must be some kind of way out of here.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.<br /> <br /> &quot;All of this has happened before...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;But does it all have to happen again?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.<br /> <br /> &quot;See you on the other side&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Samuel Anders<br /> <br /> &quot;You know, I know about farming.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Baltar to Caprica Six<br /> <br /> &quot;Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin to Dr Cottle.<br /> <br /> &quot;So much life...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Laura Roslin's last words.<br /> <br /> (To the grave of Laura Roslin) &quot;I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --William Adama's last line<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br /> * [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Message_box<br /> | image = BSG WIKI Caution.png<br /> | heading = CONTRIBUTORS: Remember that an episode summary is just that, a ''summary''. '''Don't use the article to ask questions that you haven't bothered to search for in related articles.''' Limit speculation; the Re-imagined Series is essentially over: ''no further significant revelations should be expected.'' Follow [[BW:SAC|standards]]: Don't ask questions in questions. If an answer is found, move that data to the relevant article, phrasing it as a statement in the article body. This article will be naturally long; be [[BW:CON|concise]] and avoid unnecessary detail. Thanks!<br /> | message =<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image=Daybreak Teaser.jpg<br /> | title= Daybreak, Part II &amp; Part III<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 20<br /> | guests= <br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]&lt;ref&gt;http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=422<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 20, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=<br /> | prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> | next=[[The Plan]]<br /> | extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | forumthread=3050<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br /> * In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.<br /> * Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar&lt;ref&gt;This is a side reference to the events of the episode, &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].<br /> * Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.<br /> * Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. &quot;The night's young. Apparently, so are you,&quot; she says. &quot;Let's see what happens.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.<br /> * He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2=== <br /> <br /> * In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br /> <br /> * In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, &quot;start throwing rocks,&quot; he says with a small smile.<br /> <br /> * The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br /> * The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br /> * In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. &quot;Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock,&quot; Tigh quips. &quot;Take too much time,&quot; Adama answers. <br /> * With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br /> * Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br /> * Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br /> * Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br /> * Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br /> * [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br /> * Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br /> * In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br /> * Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br /> <br /> * The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br /> * With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br /> * ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br /> * Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br /> * [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br /> * [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br /> * The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br /> <br /> * Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br /> * Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br /> * [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br /> <br /> * In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. &quot;All of the pieces are falling into place.&quot;<br /> * The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br /> * With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br /> <br /> * The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she &quot;owed him one.&quot; With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br /> * A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br /> <br /> * Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, &quot;Stopped for coffee.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.&lt;/ref&gt; With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br /> * Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br /> * Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br /> * Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br /> * As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br /> * Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br /> * Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has seen angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God| Virtual Six once told him]]), &quot;God is not on anyone's side.&quot; The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br /> * Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br /> * Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br /> <br /> ===Act 6===<br /> <br /> * Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br /> * The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br /> * But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see &quot;certain things&quot; of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. &quot;I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!&quot;<br /> * The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br /> * Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br /> * As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated &quot;[[Frak]]!&quot; before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br /> <br /> * High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br /> * The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br /> * Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br /> * She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br /> * &quot;Where have you taken us, Kara?&quot; Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br /> * But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br /> <br /> ===Act 7===<br /> <br /> * The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br /> * Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br /> * On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br /> * At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br /> * A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br /> * Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br /> <br /> * Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, &quot;I'll see you on the other side.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===Act 8===<br /> <br /> * Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br /> * He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br /> * As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, &quot;Are you a Cylon?&quot; and &quot;Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?&quot; Adama is angered and leaves, saying, &quot;I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word.&quot;<br /> * Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br /> <br /> * Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br /> * As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br /> <br /> * Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br /> <br /> ===Act 9===<br /> <br /> * On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. &quot;A very beautiful world,&quot; she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, &quot;Earth is a dream,&quot; believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br /> * Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br /> * Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of &quot;[[Nothing but the rain]]&quot; before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br /> <br /> * Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. &quot;I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br /> <br /> * &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee,&quot; Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. &quot;Goodbye, Kara,&quot; he says. &quot;You won't be forgotten.&quot;<br /> * A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br /> <br /> * In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. &quot;So much..life,&quot; Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br /> * Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br /> * In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. &quot;Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there,&quot; he says, pointing to some hills.<br /> <br /> ===Act 10===<br /> <br /> * A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br /> * The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br /> <br /> * Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, &quot;God's plan is never complete.&quot; &quot;Great...&quot; Baltar replies sullenly.<br /> * Virtual-Baltar counters, &quot;I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to &quot;peek&quot; into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br /> <br /> * When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. &quot;I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you.&quot;<br /> * As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br /> <br /> * The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br /> <br /> * As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br /> <br /> * As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br /> <br /> * The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br /> <br /> * &quot;You know it doesn't like that name,&quot; Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. &quot;Silly. Silly me,&quot; he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br /> <br /> * The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of &quot;[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]&quot; plays.<br /> <br /> * The story ends.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th &lt;ref&gt;http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html&lt;/ref&gt;. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot; and &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;.<br /> *Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in &quot;[[Daybreak, Part I]]&quot; before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br /> **A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,405. This does not include the unknown number of humaniod Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br /> *With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br /> *There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br /> ** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br /> **Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br /> **Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br /> **Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br /> **The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br /> **The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br /> **This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being &quot;Poetic justice&quot; and Lee Adama's &quot;What goes around, comes around&quot; since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br /> *Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br /> *This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br /> **Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br /> **Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br /> ***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br /> **Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by a meteor penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by a asteroid.<br /> **Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br /> **Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br /> **Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br /> **Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br /> **Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her. <br /> *This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br /> *The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.<br /> *Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br /> *Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.<br /> *The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely matrilineal one).<br /> ** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br /> ** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have daughters to pass on her (Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.<br /> *The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br /> *The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defence Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command &amp; Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br /> *When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br /> *The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, &quot;Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe&quot;, W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br /> *The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br /> **It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br /> *Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingoes flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice.<br /> *The news network covering the story &quot;Advances in Robotics&quot; as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> *The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br /> <br /> :1 = C#<br /> :2 = D<br /> :3 = E<br /> :(4 = F#)<br /> :5 = G#<br /> :6 = A<br /> :(7 = B)<br /> <br /> :The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second &quot;five&quot; (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br /> *The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br /> *Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br /> *It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the &quot;Notes&quot; section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br /> *On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br /> *[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br /> *The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br /> *The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br /> * There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof). <br /> * In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br /> * Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br /> * Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br /> * The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br /> * The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the &quot;Big Dipper&quot;) appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * What becomes of the Centurions?<br /> ** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br /> ** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br /> ** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br /> * Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)<br /> **It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.<br /> *The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br /> **Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.<br /> * Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br /> ** [[RDM]] has stated &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt; that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: &quot;I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself.&quot;<br /> * What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br /> * Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br /> * If &quot;it&quot; doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does &quot;it&quot; like to be called?<br /> * Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br /> * Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br /> ** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.<br /> * Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br /> * Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br /> * Can Thrace ever return again?<br /> * Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br /> * Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br /> * Were Caprica Six and Baltar &quot;supposed&quot; to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?<br /> * Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br /> * Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br /> * What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the &lt;i&gt;[[Astral Queen]]&lt;/i&gt;? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br /> * Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br /> * Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br /> * Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br /> * How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br /> * Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br /> * Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br /> * Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)<br /> * Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br /> * Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br /> * Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis) <br /> * Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br /> * Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?<br /> * Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br /> * How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br /> **New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br /> *** Possibly gross exaggeration of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occured during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away.<br /> *** After 150,000 years, it's also possible that the second Earth occupies a position in galaxy that is relatively similar to the position of the first Earth at the time of the series.<br /> * Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br /> * In what part of Earth (a northerly island with &quot;highlands&quot;) did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br /> ** Scotland, according an interview with RDM &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she &quot;jump&quot; to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br /> * In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; that would lead humanity to its &quot;end&quot;?<br /> * How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br /> * In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br /> * During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br /> **The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br /> * Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?<br /> * Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br /> **As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br /> * Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br /> **If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want &quot;justice&quot; for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.<br /> * Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br /> * Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?<br /> * Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?<br /> * Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> &quot;Silly me.... silly, silly me.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Baltar in the last line of the series.<br /> <br /> &quot;Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'''s seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Admiral Adama, prior to the jump to the Colony<br /> <br /> &quot;Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil to the Final Five<br /> <br /> &quot;Frak!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.<br /> <br /> &quot;Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;Right.&quot; (Athena kills Boomer)&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck and Athena about Boomer before Athena kills her.<br /> <br /> &quot;There must be some kind of way out of here.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.<br /> <br /> &quot;All of this has happened before...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;But does it all have to happen again?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.<br /> <br /> &quot;See you on the other side&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Samuel Anders<br /> <br /> &quot;You know, I know about farming.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Baltar to Caprica Six<br /> <br /> &quot;Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble.&quot;<br /> --Laura Roslin to Dr Cottle.<br /> <br /> &quot;So much life...&quot;<br /> --Laura Roslins last words.<br /> <br /> (To the grave of Laura Roslin) &quot;I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --William Adama's last line<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br /> * [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: correct descendants</p> <hr /> <div>{{Message_box<br /> | image = BSG WIKI Caution.png<br /> | heading = CONTRIBUTORS: Remember that an episode summary is just that, a ''summary''. '''Don't use the article to ask questions that you haven't bothered to search for in related articles.''' Limit speculation; the Re-imagined Series is essentially over: ''no further significant revelations should be expected.'' Follow [[BW:SAC|standards]]: Don't ask questions in questions. If an answer is found, move that data to the relevant article, phrasing it as a statement in the article body. This article will be naturally long; be [[BW:CON|concise]] and avoid unnecessary detail. Thanks!<br /> | message =<br /> }}<br /> <br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image=Daybreak Teaser.jpg<br /> | title= Daybreak, Part II &amp; Part III<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 20<br /> | guests= <br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]&lt;ref&gt;http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=422<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 20, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 20, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 24, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=<br /> | prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> | next=[[The Plan]]<br /> | extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | forumthread=3050<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].<br /> * In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.<br /> * Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar&lt;ref&gt;This is a side reference to the events of the episode, &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;&lt;/ref&gt; Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].<br /> * Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.<br /> <br /> * Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.<br /> * Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. &quot;The night's young. Apparently, so are you,&quot; she says. &quot;Let's see what happens.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.<br /> * He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2=== <br /> <br /> * In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.<br /> <br /> * In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, &quot;start throwing rocks,&quot; he says with a small smile.<br /> <br /> * The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.<br /> * The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.<br /> * In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. &quot;Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock,&quot; Tigh quips. &quot;Take too much time,&quot; Adama answers. <br /> * With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.<br /> * Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.<br /> * Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].<br /> * Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.<br /> * Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.<br /> * [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].<br /> * Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.<br /> * In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.<br /> * Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.<br /> <br /> * The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.<br /> * With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.<br /> * ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.<br /> * Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock. <br /> * [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.<br /> * [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.<br /> * The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.<br /> <br /> * Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.<br /> * Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.<br /> * [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the defensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.<br /> <br /> * In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. &quot;All of the pieces are falling into place.&quot;<br /> * The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.<br /> * With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.<br /> <br /> * The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she &quot;owed him one.&quot; With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.<br /> * A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.<br /> <br /> * Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.<br /> <br /> * Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, &quot;Stopped for coffee.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.&lt;/ref&gt; With their objective complete and no other battlestar patrols found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.<br /> * Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.<br /> * Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.<br /> * Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.<br /> * Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.<br /> * As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.<br /> * Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.<br /> * Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has seen angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God| Virtual Six once told him]]), &quot;God is not on anyone's side.&quot; The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.<br /> * Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.<br /> * Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.<br /> <br /> ===Act 6===<br /> <br /> * Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.<br /> * The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.<br /> * But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see &quot;certain things&quot; of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. &quot;I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!&quot;<br /> * The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.<br /> * Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.<br /> * As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated &quot;[[Frak]]!&quot; before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.<br /> <br /> * High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.<br /> * The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.<br /> * Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.<br /> * She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.<br /> <br /> * ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.<br /> * &quot;Where have you taken us, Kara?&quot; Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.<br /> * But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.<br /> <br /> ===Act 7===<br /> <br /> * The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.<br /> * Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.<br /> * On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.<br /> * At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.<br /> * A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.<br /> * Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.<br /> <br /> * Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, &quot;I'll see you on the other side.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===Act 8===<br /> <br /> * Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.<br /> * He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].<br /> * As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, &quot;Are you a Cylon?&quot; and &quot;Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?&quot; Adama is angered and leaves, saying, &quot;I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word.&quot;<br /> * Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.<br /> <br /> * Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.<br /> * As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.<br /> <br /> * Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.<br /> <br /> ===Act 9===<br /> <br /> * On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. &quot;A very beautiful world,&quot; she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, &quot;Earth is a dream,&quot; believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.<br /> * Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.<br /> * Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of &quot;[[Nothing but the rain]]&quot; before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.<br /> <br /> * Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. &quot;I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.<br /> <br /> * &quot;Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee,&quot; Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. &quot;Goodbye, Kara,&quot; he says. &quot;You won't be forgotten.&quot;<br /> * A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.<br /> <br /> * In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. &quot;So much..life,&quot; Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.<br /> * Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.<br /> * In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. &quot;Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there,&quot; he says, pointing to some hills.<br /> <br /> ===Act 10===<br /> <br /> * A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.<br /> * The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.<br /> <br /> * Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, &quot;God's plan is never complete.&quot; &quot;Great...&quot; Baltar replies sullenly.<br /> * Virtual-Baltar counters, &quot;I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to &quot;peek&quot; into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].<br /> <br /> * When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.<br /> <br /> * Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. &quot;I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you.&quot;<br /> * As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.<br /> <br /> * The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.<br /> <br /> * As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind. <br /> <br /> * As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.<br /> <br /> * The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.<br /> <br /> * &quot;You know it doesn't like that name,&quot; Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. &quot;Silly. Silly me,&quot; he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.<br /> <br /> * The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of &quot;[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]&quot; plays.<br /> <br /> * The story ends.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th &lt;ref&gt;http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html&lt;/ref&gt;. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot; and &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;.<br /> *Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in &quot;[[Daybreak, Part I]]&quot; before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.<br /> **A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,405. This does not include the unknown number of humaniod Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors. <br /> *With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.<br /> *There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:<br /> ** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans. <br /> **Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields). <br /> **Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.<br /> **Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.<br /> **The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.<br /> **The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.<br /> **The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.<br /> **This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being &quot;Poetic justice&quot; and Lee Adama's &quot;What goes around, comes around&quot; since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies. <br /> *Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six. <br /> *This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her whereabouts are unknown. In detail:<br /> **Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.<br /> **Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.<br /> ***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.<br /> **Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by a meteor penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by a asteroid.<br /> **Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.<br /> **Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun. <br /> **Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor. <br /> **Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted. <br /> **Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her. <br /> *This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.<br /> *Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.<br /> *Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.<br /> *The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely matrilineal one).<br /> ** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants. <br /> ** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have daughters to pass on her (Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.<br /> *The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.<br /> *The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defence Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command &amp; Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.<br /> *When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.<br /> *The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, &quot;Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe&quot;, W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.<br /> *The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.<br /> **It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.<br /> *Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingoes flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice.<br /> *The news network covering the story &quot;Advances in Robotics&quot; as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> *The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that<br /> <br /> :1 = C#<br /> :2 = D<br /> :3 = E<br /> :(4 = F#)<br /> :5 = G#<br /> :6 = A<br /> :(7 = B)<br /> <br /> :The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second &quot;five&quot; (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.<br /> *The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.<br /> *Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.<br /> *It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the &quot;Notes&quot; section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded. <br /> *On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.<br /> *[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City. <br /> *The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.<br /> *The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].<br /> * There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof). <br /> * In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.<br /> * Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.<br /> * Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.<br /> * The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.<br /> * The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the &quot;Big Dipper&quot;) appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * What becomes of the Centurions?<br /> ** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?<br /> ** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?<br /> ** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?<br /> * Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)<br /> **It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.<br /> *The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?<br /> **Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.<br /> * Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?<br /> ** [[RDM]] has stated &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt; that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: &quot;I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself.&quot;<br /> * What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?<br /> * Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?<br /> * If &quot;it&quot; doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does &quot;it&quot; like to be called?<br /> * Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?<br /> * Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?<br /> ** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.<br /> * Will humanity repeat the Cycle?<br /> * Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?<br /> * Can Thrace ever return again?<br /> * Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?<br /> * Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?<br /> * Were Caprica Six and Baltar &quot;supposed&quot; to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?<br /> * Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?<br /> * Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?<br /> * What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the &lt;i&gt;[[Astral Queen]]&lt;/i&gt;? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans? <br /> * Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?<br /> * Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?<br /> * Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?<br /> * How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?<br /> * Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?<br /> * Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?<br /> * Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)<br /> * Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?<br /> * Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?<br /> * Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis) <br /> * Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?<br /> * Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?<br /> * Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?<br /> * How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?<br /> **New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?<br /> *** Possibly gross exaggeration of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occured during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away.<br /> *** After 150,000 years, it's also possible that the second Earth occupies a position in galaxy that is relatively similar to the position of the first Earth at the time of the series.<br /> * Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?<br /> * In what part of Earth (a northerly island with &quot;highlands&quot;) did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?<br /> ** Scotland, according an interview with RDM &lt;ref&gt;http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she &quot;jump&quot; to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?<br /> * In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; that would lead humanity to its &quot;end&quot;?<br /> * How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?<br /> * In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?<br /> * During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.<br /> **The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.<br /> * Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?<br /> * Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?<br /> **As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.<br /> * Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?<br /> **If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want &quot;justice&quot; for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.<br /> * Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?<br /> * Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?<br /> * Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?<br /> * Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> &quot;Silly me.... silly, silly me.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Baltar in the last line of the series.<br /> <br /> &quot;Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'''s seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Admiral Adama, prior to the jump to the Colony<br /> <br /> &quot;Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil to the Final Five<br /> <br /> &quot;Frak!&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.<br /> <br /> &quot;Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;Right.&quot; (Athena kills Boomer)&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck and Athena about Boomer before Athena kills her.<br /> <br /> &quot;There must be some kind of way out of here.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Starbuck attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.<br /> <br /> &quot;All of this has happened before...&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> &quot;But does it all have to happen again?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.<br /> <br /> &quot;See you on the other side&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Samuel Anders<br /> <br /> &quot;You know, I know about farming.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --Baltar to Caprica Six<br /> <br /> (To the grave of Laura Roslin) &quot;I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;<br /> --William Adama's last line<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]<br /> * [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Daybreak,_Part_I/Archive_1&diff=176704 2009-03-22T12:29:37Z

<p>Xlynx: /* Julius -- dead? */</p> <hr /> <div>{{newsection link}}<br /> <br /> ==Title==<br /> ''Daybreak, Part 1'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Story note incorrect==<br /> The spoiler story note is incorrect as it does not happen in this episode. It should be moved to the article for Part II once this article is unlocked. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 04:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Driving while intoxicated ==<br /> <br /> I am wondering about the recurring reference to driving while intoxicated in this episode. C6 asked Balter if he often drinks and drives to which he replies, &quot;I drink... he drives,&quot; while pointing at the unseen limo driver. Roslin's family is killed by a drunk driver in a later scene. Will the driver be someone we know? Probably not since there is really no time to explore this (maybe in &quot;The Plan&quot; if that indeed is going to air.) Not a big deal in the scheme of things, but it is curious that this pops up twice.<br /> <br /> Also, when Lee got home did he drive home drunk? I wonder if it turns out that Adama was arrested for DUI and now must attend alcohol counseling or some such? Pure speculation, and probably not of consequence.<br /> <br /> *Neither theory is likely, as the effects from such an event would have been apparent, even in the brief set of flashbacks seen from the characters. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 1528 - 16 March, 2009 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Cleanup of Questions Section ==<br /> <br /> Per the [[BW:SAC]] project on questions, questions are not supposed to have bullet points... just questions and linked to the episode that they belong to. No theory should be placed in these sections. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 12:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Julius -- dead? ==<br /> <br /> I found Caprica-Six's comment &quot;He seemed happy when I saw him last&quot; (or however the line actually reads) to be somewhat ominous. Am I the only one that thinks she may have killed him rather than put him in the home?<br /> --[[User:Vodou|Vodou]] 17:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> :That would not serve her purpose and would be easy to discover. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::I think that rather depends on her purpose. If she was getting rid of Julius so she could be near Baltar w/o interference, then Julius might be dead. And given the hatred Gaius demonstrated for his father, what are the odds he'd ever check up on her story? <br /> <br /> ::(Of course I'm quite willing to concede that I may be wrong.)<br /> <br /> ::--[[User:Vodou|Vodou]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I agree, it ''is'' ominous. It can't be taken in reference to the imminent [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] because it is obvious the scene takes place at least several months earlier. Maybe she was freeing Baltar of the burden and telling him a story to ease the pain. She wanted Baltar to respect his father and this story would help. This was not answered in the series, so will only be mentionable in the article (beyond Questions section) if it is officially discussed by the creators in the future. Good discussion topic! --[[User:Xlynx|xlynx]] 12:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Who are Sandra and Cheryl? ==<br /> <br /> Are they Roslin's sisters? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> :Yes. They were first seen in the initial flashback (one was pregnant). This is clarified in a later scene in that flashback when police come to Laura's home to tell her that her sisters and father were killed by a drunk driver. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Daybreak,_Part_I&diff=176699 2009-03-22T12:09:16Z

<p>Xlynx: Athena is starboard; she&#039;s on the mission. simple.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=FirstDaybreak.jpg<br /> | title=Daybreak, Part I<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=19<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=421<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 13, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39516<br /> | oldpopulation=39521<br /> | prev=[[Islanded In a Stream of Stars ]]<br /> | next=[[Daybreak, Part II]]<br /> | forumthread= 2994<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> :''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] begins to be stripped of parts, and [[William Adama|Adama]] calls for volunteers for a final mission.''<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> '''In Caprica City'''<br /> *The Act opens with a montage, including a galaxy, a bird trapped in a skylight, water falling into a pool, and light over a planet. A shot of a city can be seen, with the words &quot;Caprica City - Before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]]&quot;.<br /> *[[William Adama|Bill Adama]], wearing civilian clothes, is conversing with another gentleman in a shaded room. Adama talks about his combat experience, commanding billions of cubits of men and materials, but doesn't want to go through with something. The man responds that he's only asking for one hour of his time, and that &quot;sometimes there are things that you gotta do.&quot;<br /> *Across the city, Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] is speaking with [[Caprica-Six]] in a limo, talking briefly about having things done for you as opposed to being independent. Baltar and Caprica-Six begin fooling around in the limo, when a call comes through. Baltar is immediately shaken, he apologizes, and asks the other person to wait for him. The other person sounds ready to leave, but Baltar tells the person on the other end to wait for him, or he will sue them for abandonment.<br /> *[[Laura Roslin]] is sending out the last guest from a baby shower she hosted for her sister. Laura and her two younger sisters then sit on the couch, celebrating and laughing together.<br /> *In an apartment kitchen, [[Kara Thrace]] is contemplating something and preparing food when the doorbell rings. Kara is surprised, saying they're early, and greets [[Lee Adama]] at the door, carrying flowers. Kara invites him in, and calls for Zak. [[Zak Adama]] comes out and greets his brother, and introduces Kara as his girlfriend.<br /> *Baltar pleads with Nurse Barbara to stay with his father [[Julius Baltar|Julius]] at his apartment, after she is stabbed with a steak knife, but she refuses and leaves. Caprica-Six walks in, despite Baltar's instructions to stay in the car. Baltar starts berating his father over the fact that he's driven away three nurses, at great cost to him, while his father starts talking about Baltar's past. Baltar starts yelling and hitting his father, demanding that he shut up. Baltar then sends Caprica-Six away, saying he will be spending the rest of the evening with his father.<br /> *Laura Roslin is approached by two Caprica City Police officers at her apartment. The two inform her that the night before, her father and her sisters died in a car accident. The other driver survived, and was intoxicated at the time of the accident. Roslin, upset, calmly asks the officers to leave. She stands in her apartment, alone, thinking, and then walks to a park in her nightgown. She rests her feet in the fountain, and then wades in the water, and rests on a nearby rock, letting the splashing water wash over her. The drops of water falling into the pond match what was seen in the earlier montage.<br /> <br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *The scene cuts to an IV drip, overlooking Laura Roslin resting in Sickbay.<br /> *In the Hangar Bay, Lee Adama is complaining about the amount of materials the ship captains want from ''Galactica''. Lee is signing a number of documents (and also sending some back for revision), when a deckhand argues over the fact that the magnetic accelerators are being stripped. While Lee points out that they can be used as autoloaders for the civilian ships, the deckhand says that &quot;it's like tearing the old girl's heart out&quot;, as it's used in launching Vipers. Lee compromises that the accelerators will be last thing they remove from ''Galactica'', then they'll &quot;turn out the lights, and let the old girl die in peace.&quot;<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> '''Aboard [[Galactica|''Galactica'']]'''<br /> *The act opens with [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] finished packing the last of his belongings into boxes to be moved to the Cylon basestar. As the last of his belongings is closed, the rattling of the hull can be heard overhead.<br /> *Paulla tells [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] that they now control a majority in at least half the ships in the fleet. While Paulla continues to cheer about their political power, Baltar looks up to see [[Virtual Six]]. Six points out that &quot;humanity's final chapter is about to be written,&quot; with him as the author. Baltar turns back to Paulla, thinking back. <br /> *In [[Sam Anders|Anders']] room, [[Kara Thrace|Kara]] sits with him, contemplating the notes she got from Hera ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). With equations and notes, Kara continues to ponder.<br /> *In the CIC, Lt. [[Hoshi]] is cleaning up a spill, while Tigh is announcing that the Admiral will fly out the last Viper personally. He orders that the deck gang keep one launch tube intact and ready for remote activation. Tigh comments on Hoshi's inability to clean up the spill, saying &quot;you won't make Admiral like that.&quot;<br /> *In the brig, [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and an imprisoned [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] argue over the uniqueness of the Eights. Helo points out that Tyrol's relationship with Boomer, much like his with Athena's, are unique. Tyrol scoffs, calling himself a &quot;frakkin' idiot&quot; for not realizing that they're just machines, not people. The Eights are all the same &quot;...because [[Final Five|''we'']] made them the same.&quot; Tyrol says that they can't be trusted, at which point, Helo ends the conversation abruptly. <br /> <br /> '''In Caprica City'''<br /> *As Baltar escorts a lovely young woman into his house, he walks in to find [[Caprica-Six]] there, sitting. Baltar shoos the young woman upstairs, while Baltar declares Caprica an intruder and orders her out. Caprica-Six mentions that she had Julius moved to the Regency, a full-time care facility. Caprica mentions that he loves his new arrangements, and that the last time she saw him, he seemed happy. <br /> <br /> '''Inside the Colony'''<br /> *Hera is drawing notes on a large paper, while [[Number One|Cavil]] points out that they're just &quot;little dots.&quot; [[Number Four|Simon]] suggests that they feed Hera through tubes, while [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] insists that she's just missing her mother. Cavil rejects this idea coldly, saying Hera is just a hybrid who holds the key to Cylon salvation, nothing more. Cavil leaves as Simon prepares a large needle with Hera and Boomer in view.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> {{expansion}}<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> <br /> <br /> === Act 5 ===<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> <br /> * This episode is the first part of a three hour series finale&lt;ref&gt;http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> * The episode does not have an opening teaser beyond the &quot;Previously...&quot; segment and a brief depiction of Galactica deckhands and several Baseship Number Eight pilots guiding passengers to ships and other ''Galactica'' bound ships from the Baseship. Nor does the opening credits include clips from the episode, the first time this has happened since the start of Season 3.<br /> *We finally learn [[Sherman Cottle|Cottle]]'s first name: Sherman. Adama calls him by it when telling him he's too valuable for the fleet to lose.<br /> * It is revealed that [[Laura Roslin]] had two sisters (one pregnant), and that they and her father were killed in an automobile accident at some point before she was appointed as Secretary of Education under the Adar Administration.<br /> * Baltar's father appears for the first time, and it's confirmed that Baltar's accent is an affected one as Baltar had previously admitted to doing so in [[Dirty Hands]].<br /> *A couple of years before the Fall it seems that Lee Adama liked to get drunk and carouse. This is in stark contrast post Fall to his sober and controlled demeanor who looked on with disdain over Kara's, Colonel Tigh's and even his own father's drinking problems. <br /> * Baltar specifically told [[Caprica Six]] he forgot her name, albeit it is possible that he has yet to learn it, despite having a relationship with her.<br /> * Cultural oddity: keep an eye on the rear window of Baltar's limo for a recognizable Vancouver, B.C. street sign.<br /> * After several episodes leaving the facts open to speculation, it is confirmed that the ''Galactica'' pilots that took part in the mutiny, such as [[Racetrack]], were incarcerated and not executed. Ronald D. Moore had previously said that Racetrack, [[Skulls]] and other mutiny participants were confined on the prison ship ''[[Astral Queen]]'' in his podcast for [[Deadlock]]. Also confirmed [[Galen Tyrol]] was imprisoned for his role in unwittingly helping Boomer to escape with Hera (a scene indicating this was filmed for &quot;[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]&quot; but cut from the televised version).<br /> * For the first time in many episodes, the six surviving members of the [[Significant Seven]] appear in the same episode (albeit [[Leoben]] appears only in the opening recap). This was the first time we have seen a [[Doral]] or a [[Simon]] since [[The Hub]].<br /> * In the flashback to Starbuck's apartment, the painting of the Eye of Jupiter can be seen behind her when she opens the door.<br /> *As Hybrid Anders is reciting his seemingly random phrases to a listening Admiral Adama and Captain Thrace he says &quot;Slip the surly bonds of Earth and touch the face of perfection&quot; This is a variation of a real life quote made by [[Wikipedia:John Gillespie Magee, Jr|John Gillespie Magee, Jr.]] in his 1941 poem [[Wikipedia: High Flight|High Flight]]: &quot;Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth, And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings...&quot; [http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/highflig.htm] The poem goes on and concludes with &quot;Put out my hand and touched the face of God.&quot; This was quoted by Ronald Reagan much closer to Ander's rendition on January 28, 1986 when addressing the nation after the Challenger disaster &quot;We will never forget them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God.&quot;<br /> *At the end of the episode, Lee Adama can be seen wearing his old Major's [[Uniforms (RDM)#Regular uniform|uniform]] (with white piping), but without his [[Military Ranks (RDM)#Insignia|rank insignia]] or [[Insignia (RDM)#Pilot wings|pilot wings]].<br /> * The known volunteers for the mission include Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Kara Thrace, Athena, Helo, Caprica Six, the Final Five, Hoshi, Nurse Ishay, Hot Dog, Racetrack, and Skulls. Doc Cottle initially volunteers for the mission, but stays behind at Adama's request. Although Gaius Baltar does not volunteer, he seems to be highly conflicted with himself.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *Cavil plans to use Hera to find out how she was created in order to continue the Cylon species, presumably through normal reproduction. <br /> **It also proves Cavil intends to dissect Hera to discover the secret of procreation, confirming both Starbuck's and Athena's worst fears. <br /> *Roslin likely feels quite protective of Hera as despite being barely able to walk, she volunteers for the rescue mission (although her love for Adama likely also played a part in her decision).<br /> *Cottle may be either the best doctor in the fleet or one of the only ones as Adama says he's too valuable for the fleet to lose on the rescue mission.<br /> *Baltar seems conflicted when volunteers are called. This inner conflict stems from his earlier conversation with Lee Adama where he confessed that he had never done anything for purely selfless motivations with no gain for himself. He does not, however, cross the line and join the volunteers.<br /> ** If Baltar does join, then it would seem likely that all the elements are in place to fulfill the Opera House vision: Athena, Roslin, Caprica Six and Baltar will all be in pursuit of Hera.<br /> ** Baltar's Virtual Six has told him many times that he is supposed to be Hera's guardian and &quot;father&quot;. It seems incongruous with his destiny for him not to join a mission to rescue Hera.<br /> *It's clear that despite his controversial choices, Adama still commands a great deal of loyalty and respect from the crew. Much of the crew - or at least those that are on the hangar deck at the time - volunteers for the mission. At the very least, Adama has enough people with him to take ''Galactica'' into battle. <br /> ** It should be noted that although the non-volunteers appear to outnumber the volunteers at least two-to-one, many of the non-volunteers are civilians.<br /> ** It should also be noted that almost all the Marines volunteer for the mission.<br /> ** Also, it is likely Adama will have more volunteers than are visible on screen in the hangar deck scene. Certainly not all the crew of ''Galactica'' were on the hangar deck at the time given the size of the combined crew at this point. Doubtless some had to stay on duty (Colonel Tigh confirms this when he says in CIC that those on duty must report to Adama later to declare themselves) or were on the Cylon basestar or civilian ships helping offload Galactica's stripped parts. It was also probably impractical for the producers to muster some 3000 plus extras for this scene to show Galactica's full crew.<br /> ** Given that Adama had trouble manning ''Galactica'' during the occupation of [[New Caprica]], when the ship was stated as being at half strength, it is fair to assume the Admiral is going to need roughly half the original crew compliment to carry out this last combat mission - roughly 1300 people. As stated above, this many volunteers are not seen on screen, but given some crew could volunteer later, Adama might well muster about this number in the end.<br /> *In the brig Tyrol tells Helo-who is surprisingly civil even sympathetic toward Tyrol given his hand in the abduction-that they are all the same referring to the Eights. He says it as a word of advice and warning. That they made them the same and therefore can only expect betrayal from Athena as what happened to Tyrol at the hands of Boomer. However, given the fact that he has no first hand knowledge of making the Eights and the other seven Cylon models and the psychic pain Galen suffered at the betrayal, his opinion most likely comes from deep, deep, abiding pain and not a intellectual analysis in his disregard of the individuality of Athena and the other Eights and particularly Athena's track record of loyalty. This also maybe a case of misery loves company and Tyrol, subconsciously or knowingly, wants to see Helo and Athena split up to allay his own feelings of being duped, by saying they are all a like and putting doubt in Helo's mind. Also, by claiming that Athena and the other Eights are just machines this could mitigate the guilt for his role in the abduction and possible death of Hera. If Athena is just a machine, then she cannot be hurt emotionally. She has no emotions, just a programmed facsimile. Tyrol wouldn't have to feel responsible for such pain he caused her since, as a machine, she can't really feel it, sparing '''''himself''''' a lot of pain and guilt.<br /> *Tyrol is himself a Cylon machine, so his rant speaks of denial and projected self-hatred as well as bitterness.<br /> *The finale appears to be taking a character-driven approach, devoting significant screen time to pivotal flashbacks for the central characters that relate to their current circumstances. <br /> **We see the first time Starbuck and Apollo' met, with hints alluding to their future romantic relationship.<br /> **Roslin deals with the sudden death of her sisters and father by wading into a fountain, which she uses to disguise the tears that she shed for the lost of her family. The gushing water cuts to a shot of her IV drip as she lies dying on Galactica.<br /> **Baltar and Caprica-Six begin their relationship with an act of compassion on Six's part towards Baltar's father. Baltar's selfishness, a theme raised repeatedly in the episode, is contrasted with Caprica Six's seemingly genuine concern for [[Julius Baltar|Julius]].<br /> *One of the shots in the opening sequence is of a sun rising over a blue planet: daybreak. The theme may symbolize an end to the fleet's long four years of gloom and darkness.<br /> **In that image of the planet, Antarctica is clearly seen, specifically the Ronne Ice Shelf, Queen Maud Land, and the Antarctic Peninsula. Where southern South America and southern Africa would be, the surface is covered by clouds, and the location of southern Australia/New Zealand is too dark. Although not as recognizable as the image of North America in [[Crossroads, Part II]], it is clear that the planet shown here is our Earth. <br /> ***Despite the similarities, the sun and the stars are in the wrong position for this to be our Earth. More than likely, the planet being depicted is Caprica. Especially when the sequence is taken as a whole: The Galaxy, Sun rise over a planet, In orbit over the planet, then a helicopter like fly over of Caprica City heavily implies that was Caprica as the planet we saw. <br /> *Hera is drawing &quot;dots&quot;, as Cavil calls them, on the Colony. These are much more numerous than the simple line that she gave Starbuck, its at least a full page long. It seems to be an entire musical score. However, not knowing that they are music notes, Cavil doesn't see this.<br /> *Someone left a picture of Athena about to kiss Hera on the head on the now abandoned memorial wall. It may have been Athena herself, who has given up on Hera's survival.<br /> * Baltar's reaction to Lee's accusation that he has never done a selfless thing in his life shows how much the character of Baltar has grown, especially in the Fourth Season. Previously, whenever someone called Baltar's motives or attributes (especially his loyalty) into question, he reacted very passionately, and angrily, to defend himself (and often led to him being coaxed into doing what Virtual Six wanted, to the detriment of the humans in the fleet). On this occasion, however, Baltar not only does not even attempt to defend himself, he resignedly admits that he wouldn't trust him either (tacitly admitting both that Lee is correct in his assertion and that his self-serving actions have been extremely detrimental in the past). This change in attitude visibly surprises Lee who seems quite taken aback and appears to momentarily contemplate talking to Baltar again when he returns to the Hanger Deck.<br /> * Adama's decision to rescue Hera was prompted by Constanza's remarks about saving the photos of his fallen comrades because he didn't want to leave them behind. It should not then be surprising to see that Constanza was one of the first pilots (not counting Lee Adama) to cross the line and join in the potential suicide mission with Adama.<br /> * Anders' flashback of his life before the War contains an interesting aspect of Anders not seen before. Though he was implanted with memories of being a &quot;jock&quot;, but when he candidly spoke to the sports reporter, he revealed a more intellectual and artistic side of himself. This may be a hint of his former personality (a scientist and musician) before Cavil blocked his memories.<br /> * It is ironic that Anders' flashback finds him in a tub.<br /> * In a humorous side commentary, Skulls points out that many of the dangerous or lethal Raptor missions are usually given to him and Racetrack. Historically, this has been true as the duo have been pivotal for discoveries such as New Caprica, receiving the first message from the Resistance, discovering that the Cylons were tracking the fleet to the Nebula, propulsion problems (exploding engine) due to contaminated jet fuel.<br /> * Skull's comment of &quot;The more things change the more they stay the same.&quot; is a different twist of quoting the Pythian Prophecy that &quot;All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.&quot; The phrase is a common proverb in English, indicating that surface changes only serve to reveal enduring underlying constants. It is derived from a French epigram by novelist Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr (1808-1890), &quot;plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> === Flashbacks ===<br /> * To what is Adama's flashback conversation referring? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> ** Is the conversation related to what Tigh told Novacek of what happened to Adama after the failed recon mission in [[Hero]]?<br /> * Who was the drunk driver that killed Roslin's sisters and father? Is he alive in the fleet today?<br /> * Who is Sean Allison and why does his name sound familiar to Roslin? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * What is the time frame for the flashbacks, and is it the same for all characters?<br /> <br /> ===Mission to save Hera=== <br /> * How is [[Sam Anders]] able to provide the new location of [[the Colony]]? What transpired between him, Starbuck, and Adama?<br /> * How many of the jailed mutineers volunteer to participate in the mission?<br /> * As the episode began, ''Galactica'' was already being cannibalized for parts; does this mean it will be lacking vital components during the upcoming mission, or has Adama stopped the salvaging?<br /> * Will Boomer help Hera escape? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> ===Cavil's Plan===<br /> * Has Cavil given up on the idea of salvaging Resurrection Technology? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> ===Miscellaneous===<br /> *With [[William Adama|Commander Adama]], [[Saul Tigh|XO Tigh]], [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama|Vice-President Lee Adama]] all joining the Hera rescue mission, who will assume military and political leadership of the Fleet? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * With [[Hotdog]] being one of the volunteers, and especially being aware that he may not return alive, who will take care of Nicholas?<br /> *With Tyrol on the rebound from Sharon Valerii, will Tory Foster and Tyrol renew their romance despite not having their original memories? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> * At the very beginning of the episode, an image of the galaxy is displayed which includes several prominent stars in bright colors... is there a connection to Hera's multicolored &quot;dots&quot;? Do her notes represent stars, and will the sequence provide a map that leads to somewhere?<br /> * Will the Cylon baseship remain with the civilian fleet or will they also join in on the rescue mission to save Hera? ([[Daybreak, Part II|Answer]])<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> *''In his podcast for [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]], Ronald D. Moore stated that there will be no independent podcast for Daybreak Part I. Instead a single podcast would be made for all three hours including the two hour series finale [[Daybreak Part II]] and posted at the scifi.com site.'' [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php] (00':30&quot;)<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> :&quot;No one should feel obligated to join this mission in any way. This is a decision I have made for myself. If it turns out that there are not enough personnel to crew [[Galactica|''Galactica'']], I will lead a [[Raptor]] assault with anyone who is willing to join me. Let there be no illusions; this is likely to be a one-way trip! So don't volunteer out of sentiment or emotion. There is a line running down this deck. Volunteers, move to the starboard side; Everyone else, to the port. Make your choice!&quot;<br /> ::--[[William_Adama|Admiral Adama's]] speech to the assembled crew.<br /> <br /> :&quot;You didn't think you were gonna to take off without me Admiral, did you?&quot;<br /> ::--[[Laura Roslin]] volunteering for the rescue mission despite barely being able to walk.<br /> <br /> :&quot;Spins and turns, angles and curves. The shape of dreams, half remembered. Slip the surly bonds of earth and touch the face of perfection - a perfect face, perfect lace. Find the perfect world for the end of Kara Thrace. End of line.&quot;<br /> ::--[[Samuel Anders|Anders]]'s hybrid-speak when powered on to speak with [[Kara Thrace]] and [[William_Adama|Admiral Adama]].<br /> <br /> :&quot;She’s right, Gaius. The end times are approaching. Humanity’s final chapters are about to be written. And you - you will be its author.&quot;<br /> ::--[[Virtual Six]] to [[Gaius Baltar]].<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> * [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]<br /> * [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]<br /> * [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]]<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Antony Holland]] as [[Julius Baltar]]<br /> * [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]<br /> * [[Elan Ross Gibson]] as Nurse [[Barbara]]<br /> * [[France Perras]] as [[Sandra]]<br /> * [[Sarah Deakins]] as [[Cheryl]]<br /> * [[Tiffany Burns]] as Reporter [[Carolyn]]<br /> * [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]<br /> * [[Stefanie Samuels]] as Police Officer<br /> * [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1<br /> * [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2<br /> * [[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Islanded_in_a_Stream_of_Stars/Archive_1&diff=175320 2009-03-08T07:43:50Z

<p>Xlynx: /* Starbucks photo */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>{{newsection link}}<br /> <br /> ==Title==<br /> ''Islanded in a Stream of Stars'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].<br /> <br /> No idea if this is supposed to be 'Islanded' or 'Island' or 'Landed' or 'I Landed'. Definitely a weird title.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Ah, the title comes from a poem by Henry Beston :-) That explains that then.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Jupiter and Callisto ==<br /> <br /> *I believe that Boomer and Hera just jumped next to Callisto with Jupiter in the background at 15 minutes.<br /> [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 03:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> **It is just a common Gas Giant. Real life planet search for the past 13 years for extra-Solar System worlds have revealed that the galaxy is full of Gas Giants. It is finding th Earth type planets that is hard so far with present technology. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 07:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Old-style Cylon-Raiders ==<br /> <br /> The facility whither boomer took Hera has both old-style and new-style Cylon-Raiders.<br /> <br /> [[User:Walabio|Walabio]] 08:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Are we not dividing the episode summaries in to acts? Bit late to change? ==<br /> <br /> *For about the past two seasons the summaries were divided into Teaser, Act I, Act 2, Act 3 and Act 4 are we switching up again, because if we are switching up again it will make it inconsistent with all the episodes over the past two seasons. I also don't like it because it comes in the last three episodes. Why change now? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Starbucks photo ==<br /> <br /> The article states &quot;&quot;Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead. &quot;&quot;. Can anyone recall from (previous episodes when she returned from the dead) whether she previously tore it down? maybe she did not put it up, but was just momentarily holding it. [[User:Xlynx|xlynx]] 07:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Islanded_in_a_Stream_of_Stars&diff=175318 2009-03-08T07:31:42Z

<p>Xlynx: hyperlink &quot;Analysis&quot; and some other minor changes. Incorporate Enteril&#039;s addition into the same item.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=IslandintheStars.jpg<br /> | title=Islanded In a Stream of Stars<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=18<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= <br /> | story=<br /> | director= <br /> | production=420<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=March 6, 2009 &lt;ref&gt;http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | CAN airdate=March 6, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=March 10, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39521<br /> | oldpopulation=39556<br /> | prev=[[Someone to Watch Over Me]]<br /> | next=[[Daybreak, Part I]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> ==Summary==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> * With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breech in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''<br /> * A [[projection]] of little Hera in [[CIC]]. She sits atop the command and control console with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the projection transitions to show the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].<br /> * Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breech. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and another human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.<br /> <br /> * In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.<br /> * While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the human's survival as well.<br /> * She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].<br /> * But the admiral is &quot;had it up to here&quot; with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.<br /> * When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathon's not know.<br /> <br /> * In the Agathon's quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Kara Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.<br /> <br /> * [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream.<br /> <br /> * A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.<br /> * The Six and human male that argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.<br /> * As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space.<br /> <br /> ==Episode summary==<br /> <br /> Lee &quot;Apollo&quot; Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that Galactica can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the Basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of Galactica, which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral William Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.<br /> <br /> Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon's marriage to Sharon &quot;Athena&quot; Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as &quot;Boomer&quot;. Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon home world, known as &quot;[[the Colony]]&quot;. The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.<br /> <br /> Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara &quot;Starbuck&quot; Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the Galactica crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on Galactica's flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.<br /> <br /> Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her &quot;Cylon projection&quot; dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at the &quot;colony&quot;, a Cylon base on top of a small, rocky planetoid, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.<br /> <br /> After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the Basestar, and Galactica is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to &quot;send her off in style.&quot;<br /> <br /> A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Starbuck (Cpt. Kara Thrace), Anders's wife, goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. The Galactica's power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.<br /> <br /> A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode &quot;Crossroads&quot;, and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, &quot;Someone to Watch Over Me&quot;), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the kind of a hybrid.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> * The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter &quot;Night on the Great Beach&quot; he wrote, &quot;For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time.&quot;<br /> <br /> * Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When [[Caprica Six]] was at [[Gaius_Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation and he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his &quot;us&quot; and them&quot; attitude toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons.<br /> <br /> *[[Chief Tyrol]] was no where to be seen in this episode. Even a unknown crewman gave a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps [[Galactica]] had left in her. [[Bear McCreary]] reveals&lt;ref&gt;http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1671&lt;/ref&gt; there is an extended scene on the DVD which shows Chief Tyrol is being held in Galactica's brig for his part in [[Sharon_Valerii|Boomer's]] escape.<br /> <br /> *[[Hera_Agathon|Hera]] has the power of [[projection]], which she demonstrated at the beginning of the episode playing in a projection of CIC on top of the tactical light table with the ship miniatures including a model of [[Galactica]] which she pushed, a [[Cylon Baseship]] and three [[Raider_(RDM)|Cylon Raiders]]. It is not known if Hera was ever in CIC but [[Sharon_Agathon|her mother]] has been. This indicates strongly that Hera and [[Sharon_Agathon|Athena]] have been sharing projections for months probably years, conceivably since birth. Also included in the projection was the embers of welding torches, structural repairs are also going on in Galactica's corridors and Hera almost certainly saw them. She very likely thought they were pretty and incorporated it into her projection.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> * What does Cavil mean when he tells Hera that she'll be having playmates?<br /> * Will ''Galactica'' be stripped after all?<br /> * How conscious is Anders?<br /> * Can the Colony be found by ''Galactica'''s planes?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.buddytv.com/articles/battlestar-galactica/exclusive-interview-rekha-shar-20017.aspx Exclusive Interview: Rekha Sharma of 'Battlestar Galactica' - BuddyTV]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]<br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden &quot;Hotdog&quot; Constanza]]<br /> * [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> * [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]<br /> * [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Jules Tarney]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Edward James Olmos]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=No_Exit&diff=173941 2009-02-20T23:40:46Z

<p>Xlynx: thirteenth tribe built the temple, so I assume Final Five was meant, although this is also questionable.</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;noinclude&gt;&lt;/noinclude&gt;{{Episode Data<br /> | image= NoExitingCylons.jpg<br /> | title= No Exit<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode=15<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Gwyneth Horder-Payton]]<br /> | production=417<br /> | rating=1,738,000 viewers (Live+SD)&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/02/18/nba-all-star-festivities-the-closer-wwe-raw-and-monk-lead-week-damages-to-return-despite-ratings/13021|title='Updated: NBA All-Star festivities, The Closer, WWE RAW, and Monk lead week, Damages to return despite ratings'|date=18 February 2009|accessdate=19 February 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> | US airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | CAN airdate=February 13, 2009<br /> | UK airdate=February 17, 2009<br /> | dvd=<br /> | population=39556<br /> | oldpopulation=39603<br /> | prev= [[Blood on the Scales]]<br /> | next= [[Deadlock]]<br /> | forumthread= 2634<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''[[Ellen Tigh]] is resurrected, and she knows all the answers. Anders' condition releases a flood of visions and crucial memories''.<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> <br /> * A unique sequence begins this episode, which summarizes in greater detail the origin of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The episode begins with the phrase &quot;[[Pythia|This has happened before and will happen again]]&quot; as a vista of the decimated [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] appears, now known not only as the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] but as an all-Cylon colony.<br /> * The opening sequence shows [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurions]] in a [[First Cylon War|Cylon War-era]] [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]], and a clip of Centurions firing upon humans during the events of [[Razor]].<br /> * As the Cylon War-era scenes are replaced by present-day scenes of the return of the Cylons, the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the struggles of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], the screen text shows: &quot;The Cylons were created by man. They rebelled. Then they vanished. Forty years later, they came back, they evolved. Fifty thousand, two-hundred ninety-eight human survivors, hunted by the Cylons. [[Humanoid Cylons|Eleven models are known]]—one was sacrificed.&quot;<br /> <br /> * A flashback scene shows [[Ellen Tigh]] taking a tainted cup of alcohol from her husband, [[Saul Tigh]], who was obliged to end her life for her conspiring with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> * As scenes of Ellen flash, an elaborate visualization of a Cylon [[datastream]] (in a rather [[w:The Matrix|''Matrix''-like sequence]]) appears, concluding with Ellen's [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] in a [[resurrection tank]].<br /> * At first, Ellen screams and is extremely frightened and disoriented, all alone except for one [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] on guard, stoic and indifferent to her screams. But soon she takes in her environment, and dramatically calms herself as if realizing or remembering something important. She calls out to the Centurion pleasantly to help her out of the tank, telling it, &quot;It's okay. You can do that much,&quot; as if Ellen knew the programming restrictions of the Centurion. <br /> <br /> * The scene shifts to present day in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], cleaning up and attending to the wounded from [[Gaeta's Mutiny|the mutiny]].<br /> * In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] tends to [[Samuel Anders]]'s bullet wound to the head inflicted during the mutiny. He prepares to drill holes in Anders's head to relieve pressure from the hematoma caused by the bullet lodged in his skull. <br /> * Anders, his head shaved and in a brace, recalls various scenes of himself in the past, saying outloud, &quot;Among bright stars, I'm lost. There's a new tide. All the forgotten faces, all the forgotten children, we seek the forgotten language...&quot;<br /> * When [[Kara Thrace]] demands Cottle to take out the bullet, Cottle tells her that relieving the pressure is required before he can call up another surgeon from the ship ''[[Inchon Velle]]'', to remove the bullet.<br /> * Anders continues to experience visions and talk of them as he recalls visions of the [[Temple of Five]], the dead shoreline of Earth, and how Ellen Tigh loved the water.<br /> <br /> * The scene shifts back to Ellen Tigh after her resurrection as the timeline is given between Ander's surgery and her return: Eighteen months prior.<br /> * A [[Number One]] appears to Ellen, sitting by the tank. &quot;Hello, John,&quot; she says.<br /> * When he objects to that name, Ellen recalls that she named the Number Ones after her own father. The One finishes sarcastically that Ellen also designed his model in Ellen's father's likeness.<br /> * They discuss Saul's decision to kill her on [[New Caprica]]. As John argues over Saul's humanity, Ellen questions if John has changed in any significant way in her absence, saying that she had high hopes for him.<br /> * He leaves, promising to send her some clothes.<br /> <br /> * [[Galen Tyrol]] shows Admiral [[William Adama]] something very disturbing in the [[FTL]] engine room. &quot;I first noticed it when I pulled the [[sync coil]],&quot; Tyrol answers, pointing to a series of stress cracks along the fuselage of ''[[Galactica]]''.<br /> * Adama asks Tyrol if he would accept reinstatement as Deck Chief of the ship. When Tyrol reminds Adama of Tyrol's [[Final Five|true nature]], Adama says, extending a hand, &quot;Is that right? So's my [[Executive Officer|XO]].&quot; Tyrol accepts. &quot;Fix my ship, chief.&quot;<br /> <br /> * The corridors of ''Galactica'' are filled with wounded. Back in sickbay, Anders awakens, asking Kara to gather up the others of his kind. He remembers everything about his past as a Cylon and its significance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> <br /> * The scene moves to twelve months prior to the mutiny aftermath, back in the Cylon fleet.<br /> * John discusses how the &quot;mortal experience&quot; that Ellen endured had left her practically unchanged. When she asks if he still has nightmares, John tells Ellen that, contrary to the programming ''she developed'' for the Number One models, John and his kind had removed the sleep subroutine to avoid dreaming altogether some twenty years prior.<br /> * Ellen counters that, if John believes that he and his kind were poisoned by human traits she developed as well as the Centurion's earlier belief in a &quot;[[God (RDM)|living God]]&quot;, then why did his kind spend so much time pursuing darker emotions such as vengeance and murder. John answers that, because his Centurion fore-bearers were slaves to humanity, he wants justice for that.<br /> * Ellen tells him that he doesn't have to be that way as [[Sharon Valerii]] enters, carrying a tray of fruits and cheese. Ellen is happy to see someone familiar from her old life, noting to Valerii that John is taking a risk exposing her to Ellen.<br /> * Realizing how John was likely manipulating Valerii through sexual means, Ellen quips if John had discussed [[The Swirl and Twist|the &quot;Swirl&quot;]] with him. A visibly uncomfortable John leaves but not before asking Valerii to talk about the flaws in Ellen's [[humanoid Cylon]] design. Ellen warns Valerii to make up her own mind about John's crusade for vengeance against mankind.<br /> <br /> * Present day, back in ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Anders tells Tyrol, [[Tory Foster]] and Saul Tigh of their past lives on Earth, that Foster and Tyrol were lovers. When Saul recalls trying to get Ellen out of debris as the nukes hit Earth, Anders confirms that all five of them were downloaded to a research ship high above the planet, inferring that the Five were warned that an end was coming.<br /> * When Tigh questions if the Five invented resurrection and Foster questions why such technology was needed when the Earth-bound Cylons could have children, Anders corrects, saying that they ''re-invented'' it: organic memory transfer, originally a technology of the Thirteenth Tribe on [[Kobol]].<br /> * Kara Thrace, also at Anders's bedside, strongly asks Anders to rest but he refuses, needing to tell everything he recalls.<br /> * Anders recalls that resurrection fell into disuse when the Cylons of his type learned to reproduce biologically. The Five, in their past lives, worked tirelessly to bring that ability back.<br /> * It was Ellen who made the intuitive leap, Anders recalls, before Cottle arrives and orders everyone out.<br /> <br /> * On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Lee Adama]] stand in the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting room, recalling past friends.<br /> * Adama indicates that, while the Quorum should be rebuilt, that he believes that the people of the Fleet should have a different representation that foregoes the old Colonial ties.<br /> * Roslin agrees but tells Adama that he will pick the new Quorum while she sits back, still as President, but in title only. Roslin is hand-picking Adama, [[Revelations|no stranger to strong civilian leadership]], as her eventual successor to the presidency. &quot;It's time I let someone else do the heavy lifting.&quot;<br /> * Roslin tells him that he is the right one for the job, reminding him that sometimes, in trying to the right thing, he doesn't always do the smartest thing. An ominous cough by Roslin recalls the ultimate reason why she entrusts Adama to the civilian leadership.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol is guiding the admiral through the bowels of the ship again. This time, he shows Admiral Adama more serious structural failure of the battlestar's superstructure and hull.<br /> * When Adama questions how such metal fatigue could have occurred, Tyrol reminds him that, not only was ''Galactica'' a very old ship (over 50 years old), but that the men who constructed the battlestar, perhaps in a rush to get them to service for the Cylon War, cut corners, using inferior metals and workmanship.<br /> * Tyrol notes that some repairs can be made. Adama agrees, but tells him that the repair teams should be all human.<br /> <br /> * Anders tells Tigh and the group that the reason the Five left the destroyed Earth and headed back to the Twelve Tribes was to warn all the tribes that they must take good care of the Cylons they built or suffer the same fate as Earth. But it was too late: the First Cylon War between the Colonies had already started on their arrival.<br /> * Tory Foster questions why the Five arrived two thousand years later. Anders notes that [[FTL|jump drives]] weren't invented yet. The Five's ship traveled at near-light speed, experiencing the effects of relativistic space travel where time slowed for them on their journey back, allowing them to stay alive.<br /> * After Anders recovers from a fit of pain, he continues. The Five met with the Centurions, told them that, if they would stop the war against the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]], the Five would aid them in further development of organic Cylons. The Centurions were already experimenting with the beings known as the [[Hybrid]]s ([[Razor]]), but nothing that could live on its own.<br /> * Anders tells the group that, in exchange for peace, the Five helped develop the ''eight'' humanoid Cylon models and gave them resurrection as well.<br /> * Thrace stops him. &quot;You said &quot;eight&quot;.&quot; They all realize that the &quot;Significant Seven&quot; was originally eight models. One model was missing.<br /> * Before Anders could clarify, he experiences a seizure.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * Ellen Tigh's return flashes back to twelve months prior, as the star of the [[algae planet]] goes supernova and the Cylon fleet retreats.<br /> * A series of displays show images of the planet. Ellen recalls the original name of the temple: the [[Temple of Five|&quot;Temple of Hopes&quot;]], built 3,000 years ago by the Thirteenth Tribe. From there, the Tribe was shown the way to Earth by God, Ellen recalls.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Temple of Five's secrets encouraged one of his kind, the [[Number Three]] known as [[D'Anna Biers]], to see the identities of the Five. John tells Ellen that, as a result, he [[boxing|boxed]] all of the Threes.<br /> * Ellen notes that the Threes can be unboxed, unlike the [[Number Seven]]s, which were permanently disposed of.<br /> * John tells Ellen that the Threes will not be unboxed because of the &quot;carnival trick&quot; left in the Temple's mechanism that revealed the faces of the Five and exposed their identities of the Five to the Threes. Ellen counters. She notes that the Final Five merely backtracked the path of their ancestors, finding their temple. She believes that God orchestrated the events.<br /> * John laments, angrily, how he was unable to experience the recent supernova only in human terms and their comparatively limited perceptions, as opposed to what the Centurions could experience.<br /> * When Ellen replies that the eight models were designed to be as human as possible, John counters that he wants to be more like a true machine and not a machine with human limits.<br /> * John leaves and Valerii asks if Ellen regrets what she has done in the humanoid Cylon design. Ellen answers in the negative. In creating the humanoid Cylons as they are, Ellen believes she has given them something important: free will, including the ability to love freely. But Valerii questions who she could possibly love in the universe--other Cylons, even humanity.<br /> <br /> * Back on ''Galactica'' in present day, Saul Tigh and Tory await outside sickbay as Galen Tyrol returns. Anders is being prepped for surgery. As Tyrol reminds him that the Five were responsible for stopping the First Cylon War, Tigh talks about how the Five were responsible for creating the humanoid Cylon race, inferring how the Five were, in turn, responsible for the second [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|war that destroyed the Colonies]].<br /> * Tory Foster reminds both that the humans on Kobol made the Five first. Tigh believes that, while the Cylons must own the responsibility of the humanoid Cylons and their acts, the Five must own up to their actions, just as the humans must own what they did, emphasizing that blame can't be entirely placed on the humans alone.<br /> <br /> * As Dr. [[Gerard]] shows the brain scans to Cottle, Thrace and Anders, Gerard indicates that it was lucky that the bullet didn't cause greater injury. Anders's speech is breaking up as he worries that the memories he has recalled might be lost to further surgery. Anders tries to talk more but his speech breaks up more in to strings of unintelligible words--aphasia, affected by the injury.<br /> * Anders tries to object to the surgery, to speak further to the others, but Thrace gives the go-ahead for the surgery. She tells Anders that he has as much time to speak with the others as the surgeons need to prep him.<br /> <br /> * The scene backtracks to four months prior, when the [[Resurrection Hub]] is destroyed.<br /> * John arrives at Ellen Tigh's bedside with some liquor in a glass. He tells her of the destruction of the Hub and the imminent extinction of the Cylons. Pleading for her help to rebuild the resurrection process, John tells her that, while the Colonials destroyed the hub, they weren't aware of [[The Colony]] where Ellen's equipment lies in wait.<br /> * But Ellen tells him that she knows only part of the system needed to rebuild resurrection. The others in the Five would be needed for a chance to rebuild the system.<br /> * John does not take Ellen's response well, believing that Ellen is refusing to help out of spite. He threatens Ellen by telling her that he will literally open her skull to tap into what knowledge she has in her head directly from her brain, if he has to.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> * Back in sickbay in present day, Anders tells of the first humanoid created, Cavil, who in turn helped build the remaining humanoid Cylons. He tells them that Ellen believed that the original Centurion's belief in God would stop the cycle of violence between the humans and Cylons.<br /> * But Cavil was spiteful and did not believe in God or mercy. He turned on the Five and killed them by trapping them in a compartment and venting the oxygen. When the Five downloaded, he boxed them (as he did with the Threes, much later). Later, Cavil unboxed the Five but implanted them with new memories, a sleeper-like setup not unlike how Sharon Valerii once was. He unboxed Saul Tigh first, then Ellen and the rest later.<br /> * Anders mentions that they all saw warning signs on Earth that were invisible to other people, but then his aphasia kicks in strongly. [[Layne Ishay]] tells everyone to leave. The surgeons are ready.<br /> * Anders tells of Number Seven, one model they called Daniel. Anders screams to Saul Tigh to stay with the Fleet, that a miracle was about to happen.<br /> <br /> * Colonel Tigh returns to his quarters where [[Caprica-Six]] rests. She tells Tigh that the baby in her womb began to move recently. He later feels the baby move as well.<br /> <br /> * Back in time on the baseship, Ellen draws a picture of Saul as John returns, commenting on how she should update the picture to include the eye patch.<br /> * John tells her that the [[Simon]]s have readied for Ellen's surgery, but Ellen asks John that, despite the many opportunities he has had to eradicate the Five, he has tortured them in various ways instead. She questions his ultimate reason for keeping the Five alive as Valerii (dressed in a Cylon flight suit) listens in. She concludes that John wanted the Five to witness the evils of Humanity before dying, so that when they were resurrected, they would admit they were wrong to have given John human traits.<br /> * Ellen tells him that, while John claims to be a perfect machine, his petty hatred and jealousy has caused problems not only for the Seven, but ended development of the Daniel models. John retorts that if he is in fact an imperfect creation, then it is because she made him so.<br /> * Ellen tries to reconcile, to apologize and forgive John, but he rejects her and leaves.<br /> <br /> ===Act 5===<br /> <br /> * Tyrol's team continue their work to repair the battlestar as the admiral looks on. Tyrol tells him that he began to think about damage to the battlestar's superstructure that can't be seen.<br /> * Using a device that reveals damage through spectral imaging, he shows Adama that the battlestar's bones are rotten. When he suggests that they use a Cylon technology that would grow into the metal, Adama strongly objects to the idea of Cylon technology being infused so closely into a ship he had prided himself on being resistant to Cylon infiltration.<br /> <br /> * Anders is ready for surgery, unconscious, as Kara Thrace speaks some final words of encouragement.<br /> <br /> * The admiral returns to his quarters, takes a drink from the bottle, and rinses his face in a sink. When he looks up to the mirror, he discovers cracks in the bathroom wall, shocking him with the extent of ''Galactica'''s damage.<br /> <br /> * Back on the baseship, Sharon Valerii comes to take Ellen to surgery. She looks down at the sketch of Saul Tigh and asks Ellen how she can deal with knowing that he may hate her for everything she's done. Ellen responds that, maybe, Saul doesn't, because &quot;love is like that sometimes.&quot; Sharon then asks her to put on a surgical gown, which Ellen refuses, believing it to be a useless theatrical prop.<br /> <br /> * As they make their way down a corridor, Ellen asks Valerii if she has thought through taking part in John's plans. Valerii responds that she has — and surprises Ellen by bringing her to a waiting [[Raptor]]. Valerii then races the Raptor out of the baseship, which launches pursuing Raiders. Dodging their gunfire, the Raptor jumps away.<br /> <br /> * Cottle returns to hand Thrace the bullet. Surprised that Anders hasn't awakened, Gerard and Cottle are setting up an EEG to see how Anders's brain is handling things.<br /> * Later, Thrace speaks to the still-unconscious Anders, but nurse Ishay tells her not to bother: Anders's brain activity is essentially zero.<br /> <br /> * Admiral Adama calls Tyrol over the phone after several drinks. &quot;Chief, do whatever you have to do to save our girl.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> [[Image:No Exit Crew Call Sheet.jpg|thumb|right|Crew call sheet for &quot;No Exit&quot;]]<br /> <br /> * This episode title (and production information) are derived from a call sheet posted by Wil McQueen.&lt;ref name=&quot;flickr&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/wilmcqueen/2476722149/sizes/o/|title=Wil McQueen's Flickr photostream|date=8 May 2008|accessdate=30 May 2008|last=McQueen|first=Wil|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> *As of this episode there were 39,556 survivors. At the start of the Cylon pursuit there were 50,298 survivors, meaning that 10, 742 were killed since the pursuit started.<br /> * ''No Exit'' is the title of a [[w:No Exit|1944 existentialist play]] by [[w:Jean-Paul Sartre|Jean-Paul Sartre]]. The story references three people who are trapped in Hell, shown as a stately room with chairs and sofas. Each character in the play loathes the other two characters. The play contains the notable line, &quot;Hell is other people!&quot;<br /> * When [[Sharon Valerii]] comes to escort Ellen to surgery, Ellen sardonically remarks that that she &quot;should have brought a [[w:tumbrel|tumbrel]].&quot; A tumbrel is a two-wheeled cart used to carry various loads, particularly on a farm.[http://pro.corbis.com/images/HU036695.jpg?size=67&amp;uid=%7BDE6F5EAC-11A0-4608-B615-14298D8BE914%7D] For the viewing audience, this is a cultural reference to the French Revolution in the 1780's, when many condemned prisoners were carried to the guillotine in tumbrels. In the show's universe, she may be referring to a parallel events on Kobol and/or the Thirteen Colonies.<br /> * Inchon is the name of a port city in Korea and it was the location of a major battle during the Korean War. During the battle, UN forces under the command of General Douglas MacArthur turned the tables on their communist adversaries and went on to drive the North Korean Army out of the Korean peninsula entirely.<br /> * Anders' seemingly incoherent ramblings in the beginning of the episode include lines from Milton's Paradise Lost: &quot;he it was, whose guile/Stird up with Envy and Revenge, deceiv'd The Mother of Mankind&quot; (Book I, ln. 34-5); &quot;The mind is its own place, and in it self/Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.&quot; (ibid. ln. 254-55)<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *When Ellen was resurrected, her reaction to the event was very similar to Boomer's first resurrection in [[Downloaded]]. However, unlike Boomer, it appears that Ellen's original memories were reactivated and immediately her fear disappeared. This implies that the memory block that each of the Final Five had imposed on them is limited -i.e 'hardwired' to their particular current physical body. Given that Anders' memories ''are'' there and not 'deleted', just suppressed, indicates that if all of the Final Five were reborn, they would have regained all of their collective memories.<br /> **As confirmed by the show writers, the Cavil model had purposely tampered and prevented the other 6 humanoid Cylon models from remembering or thinking about the Final Five. This appeared to be a physical limitation imposed on all of their copied bodies.<br /> *It is unclear to what extent Cylon memory tampering is a physical/biological process carried out on the body as opposed to memories being captured and adjusted/deleted when stored in a Cylon database and then re- introduced into a body -as is what seems to occur during boxing.<br /> *Cavil clearly intends for the Five to rejoin the other Cylons one day-as he has not totally destroyed (if this is at all possible to do to blocked and stored memories) either the original memories of the Final Five or the knowledge the other six Cylons have of the Five , he has simply suppressed it (as indicated by Deanna's flashes of the Five when downloading) with presumably the intention of revealing his plan, and aforementioned knowledge, in due time. Of course Cavil wants the Final Five to return to the fold- but on his terms. <br /> **The resurrected Ellen has a starkly - completely - different personality and attitude compared to her &quot;false memories&quot; counterpart. This Ellen carries many motherly qualities and even has shown love, sadness, and care towards Cavil (John), and is far more intelligent.<br /> **Anders also shows signs of a more intelligent and spiritual personality upon regaining his memories.<br /> *Cavil's attempt to block the memories of the Final Five was not completely successful. Numerous times, especially their time on the post-nuclear Earth, memories from their past would resurface. This explains how:<br /> :#Tyrol was able to sense and find the Temple of Five.<br /> :#The visions that Anders, Tyrol, Tory, and Tigh had on Earth.<br /> *Cavil not only knew about the Final Five, but he purposely kept their identities a secret and erased their identities from any other Cylon that knew. According to Ellen and Anders, Cavil (John) had developed a warped sense of morality. This morality eventually led to his killing of the Final Five and boxing of their personalities. His path eventually devolved to actions motivated by sadism and jealously upon which he would allow each of the Final Five to be resurrected, but with no memories of their past and implanted with false memories. His motivation for this act was to show the Five how unworthy of existence that humans were. Given that he kept at least one body for each of them he ''wanted'' them to someday return but keep them secret unless they agreed with him like he did with Ellen.<br /> *Given Cavil's warped sense of justice, he is likely the Cylon that triggered the second war. He claims to want justice for the Centurions indicating he may have been the one that precipitated what happened.<br /> *Cavil may be lying somewhat about his motives: he claims that he wants justice for the Centurions being enslaved yet he basically did the same thing by putting the inhibitor in that made them non-sentient. If he truly wanted justice, he wouldn't have done that as it makes him just as bad.<br /> **Cavil's reaction to the Rebel Cylons' disabling of the neural inhibitor may be based on his knowledge of what had occurred with the 13th Tribe's Centurions and with the 12 Colonies' Centurions. He may be worried that a third Centurion uprising would occur again.<br /> *In the opening ''Galactica'' based scene it was evident that ''Galactica'' was still suffering from the after-effects of the mutiny as the wounded was in sickbay with an overflow of patients in the outside corridor. The population count during the opening credits was 39,556. That means 47 people had died by the end of &quot;[[Blood on the Scales]]&quot;. Two of those deaths are of Gaeta and Zarek so it was 45 deaths during the second half of the mutiny, from 10:30 hours to 15:32 hours, including the Quorum members and their aides. Add this to the 40 deaths that happened in &quot;[[The Oath]]&quot; you have 85 deaths that occurred during the 9 hour mutiny, 06:32 hours when Zarek was sprung to 15:32 hours when Adama and Tigh retook the CIC, beginning with the death of [[Peter Laird]] shortly before 07:00 hours. That is about 9.4 deaths per hour average, but even worse considering the killings didn't really start in earnest until a little after 09:00 hours. a 6.5 hour period making it roughly 13.1 deaths per hour. <br /> * It has been eighteen months since [[Ellen Tigh]] downloaded into a new body.<br /> *During Boomer's first meeting with Ellen, she offers Boomer an apple from a plate of food. In Judeo-Christian mythology apples are commonly believed to be the fruit of the tree of knowledge that gave Adam and Eve knowledge at the price of their innocence (the fruit is not actually named in the text). While Boomer declined the offered apple, she later did begin to think for herself and forgave Ellen for what she did to the Cylon race and helped her escape from Number One.<br /> * The humanoid Cylon civilization known as the Thirteenth Tribe reproduced sexually for generations by the time the members of the Final Five were born. Each of them had a Cylon mother and a Cylon father.<br /> *There are two possible reasons as to why Adama was initially unwilling to use Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica''.<br /> :#It stemmed from Adama's great love and pride in the ''Galactica''. This love was demonstrated several times during the course of the series, such as when he refused to allow a computer network to be installed. It was also seen in his facial and body reactions whenever he was confronted with the degraded condition of his ship. Adama's appalled reaction when he finds out that corners were cut in the original construction of ''Galactica'' in this episode further confirms this.<br /> :#Another possible reason for his insistence that no Cylon technology be installed in Galatica could be a reaction to prevent another mutiny on the ship. He had no qualms of upgrading ''Galactica's'' and the Fleet's FTL drives with Cylon technology initially. He even permitted Cylons to do the installs originally, but post-mutiny, when confronted with needing a crew to repair ''Galactica's'' internal skeleton, Adama insisted on a human crew. His demand that the repairs be done without Cylon interface may have been a result of him trying to not repeat what had sparked the recently ended mutiny in the first place.<br /> *At the same time, Adama's reversal towards the end of the episode further indicates that one of Adama's greatest strengths is the ability to admit when he is wrong and to do whatever it takes to survive.<br /> *Tyrol once more proves that he is a brilliant engineer, something that he clearly retained from before his original memories were blocked, given that Anders identifies him as the genius behind much of Resurrection technology.<br /> *Despite having re-invented Resurrection technology, the Final Five and their civilization had not developed FTL Jump technology, although they did have lightspeed capable drives that allowed subluminal travel but had the side effect of time dilation. By the time the Five reached the Twelve Colonies, the twelve tribes and their own Cylon opponents had the use of FTL which the Twelve Colonies developed independently. Inversely the Twelve Colonies had no access to Resurrection technology. The Final Five presumably integrated FTL into all their future Cylon technology.<br /> * Saul Tigh's military history in the First Cylon War is revealed to be a fabrication. Given how detailed his memories are, they may have been extracted from a captured and experimented-on Colonial Serviceman- such experimentation was seen to have happened during the First Cylon War ([[Razor]]). This was also alluded to near the end of the episode when Cavil explains to Ellen that they had progress significantly in obtaining memories. Cavil's plan to seed the Final Five into humanity on the Colonies would have needed significant infiltration of Colonial databases to create fake identities, service records and family records. Tigh's record was foolproof enough to ensure he was re-activated into Colonial Service between the two Cylon wars. The Cylon superiority in computer infiltration probably made this relatively easy.<br /> * The Final Five were warned of the coming apocalypse on Earth by [[Virtual beings#The Final Five's Virtual Beings|images]] that no one else could see. Sam mentions that the messenger he saw was a woman, whereas Tory saw a man. Galen thought, at least at first, that he had a chip in his head (as with Baltar).<br /> *Cylon infiltration of the Twelve Colonies began much earlier than two or so years before the Cylon attack, as Cavil would have had to work to install Tigh into his assumed role as a demobbed fighter pilot 30 years previously. It is not explained why Cavil waited so long before introducing Anders and Foster and Tyrol. As they do not seem to have as long a 'human' history as Tigh or have aged as much, there must have been a gap of over a decade, possibly two.<br /> *Given Tigh has been seen in flashback as significantly younger than he appears now ([[Scattered]]), it seems that the Final Five age normally or at least age at some rate. Clearly William Adama would have noticed if his XO had not aged in 30 years. Of course this flashback sequence was shot and written before the producers chose Tigh to be one of the Final Five, rendering it potentially tricky in the continuity of the show; that said, the issue ''was'' addressed in dialogue in &quot;[[Revelations]]&quot; when Adama pointed out how Tigh used to have hair when they met and reiterated the length of time he'd known him. <br /> * The Final Five can resurrect or be &quot;reborn&quot; in the same fashion that the Significant Seven can. It is not clear what age each of the Final Five's birthing tank bodies are kept at in stasis however. Given that Tigh was younger when he appeared in flashbacks following his seeding into the Colonies by Cavil, his stasis body (if one is being kept by Cavil as one was kept for Ellen) might be close to that age, and his resurrection (unlikely at this point given the loss of the Hub) might well result in him being reborn 30 years younger. Exploring this aspect of Cylon resurrection is, of course, hampered by the fact that the cast of the show are aging.<br /> * When the Final Five resurrect, their memories are restored, suggesting the mental blocks only exist in their current bodies. However when the Seven Cylons resurrect, they still have no memories of the Final Five. This indicates that Cavil might well have had to kill and box all the active numbered Cylons once he had boxed the Final Five, allowing him to completely wipe the other six model's memories of the Final Five (as opposed to simply 'blocking' them), or hardwiring every one of the six numbered Cylons bodies (and by default the resulting copies) to suppress information of the Final Five. Killing any active Cylon models who had seen the Final Five before this would have been the only way he could have concealed the identities of the Final Five and effectively 'start over'. If this is so Cavil's brutal actions towards his own fellow six models extends well back before the Cylon Civil War.<br /> * The unborn child of Caprica-Six and Saul Tigh is male.<br /> * There have been a number of vague hints thus far that the Number Ones seem to have a deeper knowledge of things, especially their own origin than the other Cylon models, as well as being, by far, the most adamant about not finding out who the Final Five are and insisting that it is part of their programming. This episode finally reveals that the Number Ones do know more than all of the other models, and are in fact responsible for much of the Cylons' programming, especially their knowledge of the Final Five's existence but block on discovering more about them other than the fact that they exist. The other Cylons' willingness and ability to find out more about them clearly indicates that the Ones coding skills were limited in comparison to the Final Five's, and/or they had greatly underestimated (or perhaps undervalued) the free will given them by the Final Five.<br /> * While still giving no hint as to their nature, the fact that the Final Five all saw apparitions, peculiar to each of them, warning them of the coming Apocalypse further reinforces the fact that the visions of Baltar, Caprica Six, and possibly Kara as well are more than mere hallucinations. Added to this the fact that the Final Five did not build the Temple of Five (which they call the Temple of Hopes) nor did they modify it to show their faces, seems to clearly indicate that there is some other power at work in these events, what that power is, and what its goals are remains to be seen.<br /> * It is important to note that, rather than being the enemies of humanity, the Final Five have, quite literally, devoted their entire existence to ending the vicious cycle between human and Cylon that seems to have been played out at least 3 times.<br /> * It makes logical sense that, after a cataclysmic event and exodus the technology of a given people would take a significant step backwards, since the ships would eventually run out of power, and it would be a long time before they would be able to re-create the same technology. And given the challenge of surviving in the early years after such an event, it also makes sense that, after the original travelers died out, much of their knowledge and memory would be lost, save in written texts, which, to their less technologically advanced descendants, would mean little. It also makes sense that, when the technology of that people advanced to the point were they could create artificial intelligence that they would use it to ease their own burdens, thus creating an intelligent slave race that would eventually rebel if treated badly. That would probably happen even if all technology hadn't been lost, as seen from the miniseries, Baltar is questioning why they aren't allowed to make artificial intelligences and the newer battlestars have networked computers. People would always eventually come back to the thought that they could create a race of slave machines.<br /> * Cavil (John) engages in actions that reveals traits of an [[Wikipedia:Oedipus Complex|Oedipus Complex]] In Greek mythology [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]] killed his own father and married his own mother, engaging in sexual relations and having children with her. However, Oedipus did not know at the time they were his parents. The sexual relationship between Cavil and Ellen was Oedipal in three senses: She is his creator and he is made in her father's physical image in addition to being given her father's name. In addition, he tortured and abused Saul Tigh, his father and husband of Ellen who where husband and wife both in the distant past and on New Caprica. The major difference is that they are not biologically related to Cavil (as far as it is known) and Cavil knew that Ellen and Tigh were his &quot;parents&quot; unlike Oedipus. <br /> * In the same vein, Cavil's relationship with Boomer is akin to brother-sister incest.<br /> * The relationships between Tigh and Six and between Tyrol and Boomer are also technically Oedipal, and like Oedipus, they didn't know the relationship to each other as &quot;father&quot; and &quot;daughter&quot; at the time of their first meetings. Currently, Saul and Caprica Six do know of the quasi parent-child relationship, as do Tyrol and Sharon Valerii. Cavil's relationship with Ellen and Tigh is more familial as seen thus far by the actions and words of Ellen including &quot;I love you John, because I made you,&quot; and her attempt to hug him implying a mother-son relationship. Since Saul Tigh and Caprica Six have no direct memory of their prior relationship, there are no feelings of pseudo-incestuous implications.<br /> *John Cavil's killing of Daniel, the Number 7 model and the destruction of the Seven's copies mirror the biblical (and Koran) story of [[Wikipedia:Cain and Abel|Cain and Abel]] in which Cain murders Abel to gain God's favor. God, Cain and Abel's creator (through [[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam and Eve]]) had favored Abel over Cain when he showed preference for an animal sacrifice Abel made over Cain's offering of food stuffs and Cain resented it. Similarly, Cavil felt that Ellen, his and Daniel's creator, favored Daniel over him (Ellen conceded the possibility that she did) and subsequently destroyed him. In a further parallel Cain was Adam and Eve's first born. Cavil was the first creation of the Final Five, hence his Number One designation while like Abel Daniel was a later birth, in Daniel's case, presumably, creation Number 7 making him Cavil's younger &quot;brother&quot; like Abel was to Cain. <br /> *Another interpretation of Daniel's role could be that his character is linked to the Biblical Daniel, considered a prophet by Christianity. The name &quot;Daniel&quot; means &quot;judged by God&quot;. He was a cultured member of the Jewish nobility and became famous for the interpretation of dreams. The most well-known incident was when he was called from exile to interpret a mysterious handwriting by an angel on King Belshazzar's wall, following a sacriligious feast. He revealed that the days of his kingdom were numbered; indeed, the King was slain that night and a transfer of power occurred. This story, taking into account the mysterious painting on Kara Thrace's wall and her past experiences, could provide a link between the shifting power patterns in the Human-Cylon long-standing power struggle and her special destiny as the harbinger of death, shaping the new order.<br /> *The relationship between Cavil and Ellen has a mirror in the relationships that the [[Lords of Kobol]] tended to have, specifically Zeus and Hera (who were brother and sister '''and''' married). <br /> **This connection between the atheistic Cavil the monotheistic Ellen and the polytheistic gods that they both reject is a perfect example of multi-layered irony.<br /> * At the core of things, Cavil appears to be driven by a sense of bitterness and self-hatred. He sees his humanoid body as a prison that limits his abilities and the way he perceives things. He believes that he could have been created to be something much more. In short, Cavil hates his own existence and he holds the Five accountable for having created him in the first place. He also fears that he truly is a disappointment to his creators.<br /> * Lee Adama's suggestion that the new Quorum represent the people on the individual ships of the Fleet rather than the Twelve Colonies, indicates that he realizes that the old system is broken and needs to be rebuilt — something which Dualla told him previously during Baltar's trial. The people of the Fleet have aligned themselves according to their &quot;home&quot; ships rather than the now non-existent Colonies. Both Roslin and Lee have come realize this and determine that the people must be represented differently if democracy is to survive.<br /> * When Gerard tells Anders and Starbuck where the bullet is lodged in Anders' brain, Anders instantly supplies the information as to what that area of the brain does, and realizes that is why he is remembering everything. This proves that, while Tyrol may have done most of the work on re-inventing resurrection, and Ellen was the one who made it work, all of them helped, as Anders clearly has detailed knowledge of how the brain works. This would also lend some credence to Ellen's claim that she alone could not rebuild resurrection.<br /> *Right before his seizure, Sam Anders saw the other final four and Kara Thrace glowing. This could be a significant vision or merely the result of something pressing on his visual cortex. [[The Music|The music]] is heard during this scene.<br /> * Although we can now be sure that the Final Five had the same personal names in their old lives as they do now, none of their surnames have yet been used in relation to their original selves.<br /> *This episode further displays the Cavils' unity of thought and personality that none of the other models have displayed. After the destruction of the Hub, the original Cavil who started the Civil War, who called Boomer his 'pet Eight' was killed by D'Anna. However, the Cavil who provides a drink to Ellen carries the same thoughts and conclusions as the recently deceased Cavil. This further propagates the notion that the Cavils desire to be more machine than human as each particular Cavil does not appear to show any divergent or creative thought from each other. They appear to all share the same memories and train of thought while other models like the Sixes and Eights have shown time and time again that each individual in the model line can break from the pack so to speak.<br /> *In a not-so-subtle hint to the audience, when Boomer asks Ellen why would she want to love humans and who would she want to love, immediately the scene shifts to Tyrol walking to the waiting area outside of sickbay.<br /> *Ishay's cold response to Kara after Anders' surgery is a subtle hint of the disdain that Ishay has towards the Cylons. Unlike Doc Cottle (who treats his patients the same, human or Cylon), Ishay's facial responses in the last couple of episodes have shown extreme discomfort of treating the Cylons. She will do her job, but her response to Kara's attempts to speak to Anders post-surgery displayed a cold-heartedness towards her &quot;patient.&quot; This flies against what is typically prescribed by doctors of comatose patients who would encourage family members to speak to their loved ones in order to stimulate brain activity and maybe revive their patients.<br /> *When Anders mentioned that the 12 Tribes' Centurions had already begun their attempt to create flesh bodies, this did not seem to surprise Anders. This may hint to the 13th Tribe's origins as they may have begun the same way. They as Cylons developed &quot;flesh&quot; bodies and the organic memory transfer technology on Kobol. However, after they found and settled on Earth, this resurrection technology was lost to time and had to be reinvented. The Final Five's negotiated deal with the 12 Tribes' Centurions seemed to be motivated by their desire to not repeat the cycle by giving the Centurions what the 13th Tribes ancestors had achieved. However, their reasoning for not allowing biological reproduction in the 8 humanoid models seemed to indicate a plan to bring Cylon and Human together.<br /> *It would appear that each humanoid Cylon model was given both a name and a model number by the Final Five. The Number One models prefer not to use names. This logically follows the pattern that the John/Cavil models have shown, that they prefer to be more machine than human, thus lean toward using an impersonal identification system vs. the personal names given to them by the Final Five.<br /> *This episode sheds light on why the D'Anna model were able to &quot;see&quot; the Final Five in their post-death and pre-resurrected states, but were unable to recall the faces definitively once they were resurrected into their physical bodies. The Cavils apparently had hardwired all of the Significant Sevens bodies to purposely block out any type of memory that involved the Final Five. They were programmed to not &quot;think&quot; of the Final Five, but as Ellen explained to Boomer, the Significant Seven were given &quot;free will&quot; and it apparently had overridden John's reprogramming.<br /> *The fact that a team of &quot;Simons&quot; were preparing to perform the neural surgery on Ellen suggests that at one point in time the Cavils had revealed Ellen's existence to at least some of the Number Fours. How much they know about her is not clear.<br /> *The Centurion's response to Ellen after her resurrection seems to indicate that the Centurions also know who the Final Five are. The Centurion's reluctance to help Ellen initially indicated that it was unsure whether it was allowed to help her, upon which she reassured it was allowed to.<br /> *The Centurions on Cavil's baseship appear to have not been tampered with or had their neural inhibitors restored as the Centurions on his baseship do not appear as curious of their surroundings as the Rebel Cylons' baseship centurions.<br /> *Ellen's motherly and kind tone towards the Centurion after her resurrection reinforces Anders' explanation later that the Final Five wanted to tell the 12 tribes to treat their Centurions well.<br /> *As he has been for several episodes, the Admiral is shown taking medicine for apparent pain. The nature of his ailment has not yet been revealed.<br /> *Presumably, the Final Five could have copied themselves many times over as they did with the eight models they created, but chose not to.<br /> *Valerii's lack of surprise when Ellen names Galen, Sam, and Saul as among the Final Five shows that she already possessed that information.<br /> * The journey of the Final Five from Earth to their first contact with the Centurions took approximately 2000 years, which is roughly the time period between the Earth Holocaust and the First Cylon War. Since they were traveling at close to the speed of light, that means their trip took them only 2000 light years from Earth before they made contact. This implies that either Earth is much closer to the Colonies than expected, or that the Cylons had explored much of the distance between the two systems.<br /> * As noted by Moore in the podcast, Saul and Ellen are soulmates who were drawn to each other even after being given false memories by Cavil and inserted into the Twelve Colonies, marrying for what was actually the second time. In contrast, Galen and Tory, described by Sam as &quot;madly in love&quot; in their original lives, have not interacted much at all outside of the secret meetings and their moment together in [[Joe's Bar]]. In fact, when Tory began awakening to her true nature, she was drawn to Sam, not Galen.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> ===Characters===<br /> * Will [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] recover following surgery? Will he retain his memories as a Cylon if he does?<br /> * Just what was Saul Tigh's role in the Cylon War? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])<br /> * How will [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] react when she discovers that [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] is engaged in a relationship with and has impregnated [[Caprica-Six]]?<br /> * Ellen seems very different from the woman we knew. How different were the rest of the Final Five in their past lives?<br /> * Did the Final Five use the same surnames before Cavil altered their memories, as well as the same first names?<br /> * Will Tory and Tyrol rekindle their old relationship, especially if they recover their first hand memories of their old life? Will Tory reveal to Tyrol that she killed Cally?<br /> * Will Boomer and Tyrol to rekindle their old relationship, especially now that both are aware that the two of them are Cylons? Will the example of Saul Tigh and Caprica Six's pregnancy open up to her the possibility of it? <br /> * How will Boomer react to the news that [[Cally]] is dead?<br /> * How will Boomer react to Caprica Six, since she was killed by her at one point? How will Boomer react to Athena? How would Athena react to Boomer?<br /> * How will Adama react to Boomer's return, since she did try to assassinate him at the end of Season One?<br /> * Is Boomer honestly defecting from Cavil's side, or is this part of Cavil's plot?<br /> * Will Cavil ever achieve his goal of evolving beyond his &quot;primitive&quot; humanoid form?<br /> * Will Cavil ever be able to appreciate the gift of free will?<br /> * Do the Simons ([[Number Four]]) and Dorals ([[Number Five]]) know the truth about the Final Five and Cavil's hand in manipulating events and circumstances? If and when they do find out, will they continue to side with him, or will they join the other Rebel Cylons?<br /> * What is the meaning of Anders' ramblings (derived from ''Paradise Lost'') about the mother of mankind being deceived by one whose guile stirred with vengeance? Is there a connection to Ellen and Cavil?<br /> * When did Tyrol acquire all of his knowledge of Cylon technology?<br /> <br /> ===Number Seven===<br /> * Was [[Number Seven]] named after [[Daniel Graystone]], creator of the Cylons on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]?<br /> * Did any active copies of Daniel survive One's wrath? If so, what became of them?<br /> * Is the Daniel model somehow connected to [[Kara Thrace]]?<br /> * Is the Daniel model connected to [[Felix Gaeta]]?<br /> * Besides Cavil, were the other Cylons aware of Number Seven's short-lived existence?<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle===<br /> * What is the exact nature of this Cycle? How long has it been going on for? Can it ever be broken?<br /> * What is the meaning/significance of the name Cylon, since every time humanity creates machines they seem to be given this name?<br /> * Why did the original tribes flee Kobol? Was it another Human/Cylon war?<br /> * What is the significance of the Centurions' form, which is in common between the Thirteenth Tribe and the Twelve Tribes?<br /> * Had the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons already developed their own humanoid forms when they settled on Earth? <br /> * What/who destroyed Earth? ([[No Exit#Official Statements|Answer]])<br /> ** What happened to the Centurions that destroyed Earth?<br /> *** Based on the remains they discovered, it appeared that the war was mutually destructive. This isn't surprising as any type of nuclear exchange, i.e. the USA and the USSR, was expected to mutually destroy each nation and for the most part, the rest of the planet.<br /> * What is the nature of the &quot;messengers&quot; that warned the Final Five of the disaster on Earth? In particular, are they related to Baltar's Inner Six and Six's Inner Baltar?<br /> * Sam mentioned that Tory saw a man and Sam himself saw a woman, what forms did the others take?<br /> * Why did these messengers not also appear to the Final Five before the apocalypse on the Twelve Colonies (presumably)?<br /> * Assuming that the visions the Five saw warning of the Apocalypse, the visions given to D'Anna in the Temple of Five, and Baltar, Caprica Six, and Kara's visions are all manifestations, or agents of, an outside power (which seems likely at this point) what exactly is the nature of this outside power? And what is its goal?<br /> * What led the Centurions of the Twelve Colonies to believe in God?<br /> * Would the Centurions eventually have created their own human forms, as the Five's distant ancestors seem to have?<br /> * At which point during the conflict did the Final Five arrive in Colonial space?<br /> * Had the Final Five not stopped it, would the First Cylon War have been mutually destructive, as previous such wars in human history seem to have been?<br /> * If the Final Five had not been ousted by Cavil, would they eventually have established peaceful contact with the Twelve Colonies via [[Armistice Station]]?<br /> * Did the Final Five base any of the Significant Eight models besides John Cavil (made to resemble Ellen's father John) on people they knew?<br /> * Did the Final Five plan on making any more models beyond Number Eight before they were boxed?<br /> * Were the Final Five responsible for the holographic projector in the [[Tomb of Athena]]? If so, how did the references to it in the [[Sacred Scrolls]], which were supposedly written over 2000 years before the [[First Cylon War]], get written?<br /> * Where do the Basestar Hybrids factor into all of this?<br /> * What is [[Hera Agathon]]'s role in all of this?<br /> * Where does [[Kara Thrace]] fit into all of this?<br /> * Why has [[The Music|the song]] written by Anders become a special signal/trigger for the Final Five?<br /> <br /> ===Resurrection Technology===<br /> * Who originally developed the resurrection technology on Kobol? <br /> * Where is this [[The Colony|other colony]] that Ellen supposedly stored her resurrection equipment on? Does it have a name? Is Anders aware of it?<br /> * What is the status of the research ship the Final Five used to leave Earth 2000 years ago?<br /> * Will resurrection technology ever be salvaged?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that any attempt to rebuild the [[Resurrection Hub]] would need all five of them?<br /> * How will Anders' condition affect any attempts made to salvage resurrection technology?<br /> * Did anyone else on Earth besides the Five contribute to the re-invention of the resurrection technology?<br /> <br /> ===What is a Cylon?===<br /> * What exactly is the nature of the humanoid Cylons? Are they cyborgs—a combination of organic and inorganic material—or are they completely organic—like ''[[wikipedia:Blade Runner|Blade Runner's]]'' [[wikipedia:Replicants|Replicants]]. They seem able to pass normal medical examinations, including presumably CAT scans, indicating that they are wholly organic. Yet they call themselves &quot;machines&quot; and exhibit striking differences, such as the ability to interface with fiber optics, indicating that they are cyborgs.<br /> **Chances are overwhelming that they are not Cyborgs. The Colonials had the opportunity to examine dead humanoid Cylon bodies on several occassions including Boomer's, D'anna Bier's, and Natalie's since they were killed on Galactica and at least Boomer's body was sent to the morgue where very likely Dr. Cottle did intensive [[wikipedia:autopsy|autopsies]] at his leisure. The bodies were likely subjected to [[wikipedia:CAT scan|CAT scans]] and [[wikipedia:MRI|MRI scans]] and standard X-Rays as well as traditional [[wikipedia:dissection|dissectional]] autopsy. This is in addition to treating Cylons many times for injuries like on New Caprica, and with Athena's pregnancy and radiation sickness. Gaius Baltar also would had had opportunity to examine Cylon physiology. Any non biological &quot;components&quot; that the Cylons would had had would had been discovered by now. Abilities like Athena's and other Eights (if not other Models) ability to interface with standard computers with cable leads are likely genetic alterations of their nervous systems, which in humans carry electrical impulses to the brain. The Cylons probably genetically modified it for the humanoid Cylons so their nervous system could interface and the nerve ending's electrical impulses could carry idata to and from standard electronic equipment. In anycase the ''Blade Runner'' Replicants are perhaps the proper comparison. Indeed, Ronald D. Moore has borrowed the term &quot;skinjob&quot;, a derogatory term for a humanoid Cylon from the same term for a Replicant in ''Blade Runner'', which was also derogatory. <br /> * Is there any difference between birthed humanoid Cylons, such as the original Final Five and the other residents of Earth, and constructed humanoid Cylons, such as Nos. 1-8 and the replacement Final Five bodies?<br /> **Highly unlikely that there are significant differences. Ellen Tigh herself stated that they created the Eight Cylon models to be as close to human as possible. The birth of [[Hera Agathon]] to the Cylon Sharon Agathon (&quot;Athena&quot;) and the Human Karl Agathon did not reveal any unusual occurrences while given birth pass the normal complications one expects form human reproduction. Indeed, Dr. Cottle once sardonically complained during Sharon's emergency delivery that the Cylons didn't improve the reproductive organs of the female Cylons: &quot;I find it absolutely amazing. You people went to all the trouble to appear human and didn't upgrade the plumbing!&quot; ([[Downloaded]]) As of &quot;No Exit&quot; Dr. Cottle has not noted any significant differences between human gestation and the Cylon-Cylon Pregnancy of Caprica Six. <br /> * If the humanoid Cylons are cyborgs, how is it possible for their inorganic components to grow and mature?<br /> * If the humanoid Cylons are completely organic, what exactly distinguishes them from Humans? It must be something pretty obvious in the skeletal structure since all of the bodies found on Earth were easily identified as being Cylon.<br /> ** Assuming most of the remains uncovered date from 2,000 years prior to the fleet arriving at Earth, it's possible that some sort of genetic markers can still be found in their bone marrow, which allow the Cylons to identify them as their own.<br /> * If humanoid Cylons are in fact different from Humans, how are the two species able to successfully interbreed?<br /> ** Since Colonial medicine can't distinguish Humans from humanoid Cylons, it would seem that they are compatible at a genetic level. Maybe the non-Human component is passed through some nano-technology which is passed to offspring at the moment of fertilization (of course this would possibly turn the host into a Cylon also - is this Starbuck's secret? Did she become a Cylon through the experiments on the Farm?).<br /> * Does the fact that they '''can''' interbreed mean that Humans and Cylons really '''are''' the same species, and that the apparent differences are only &quot;skin-deep,&quot; such as the superficial differences in appearance between Asians, Africans and Europeans on our Earth?<br /> * If the humanoid cylons are similar to Colonial humans, then how is it that the Seven (and possibly Tory) have exhibited superior strength and speed on numerous occasions?<br /> <br /> ===Other Questions===<br /> * What became of the lower level mutineers in [[The Oath]] and [[Blood on the Scales]]? Were they prosecuted for their actions, or were they given an amnesty in spite of Adama's earlier threat that there would be &quot;no forgiveness&quot; for any mutineer? <br /> * How do Ellen and Boomer intend to locate the Fleet?<br /> * Is Ellen truthful when she says that D'Anna's vision of the Five was not planted by the Five themselves?<br /> * Will the use of Cylon technology be successful in repairing ''Galactica''?<br /> * Will every ship in the Fleet be allowed to send a representative to the new Quorum? In particular, will there be a representative from the Cylon baseship?<br /> * Are the names given to the other six models by the Final Five the same as those they used to infiltrate the Colonies? If not, what are they?<br /> * Are the [[Number Four]]s and [[Number Five]]s also aware of the identities of the Final Five? When were any of the others, other than Boomer, told?<br /> * How will the [[Cylon Civil War]] be resolved?<br /> * How is it possible that the Thirteenth Tribe's bio-engineering technology was far advanced of the other Twelve Colonies, but they did not have Jump-technology?<br /> **Bio-engineering and jump drives represent different realms of technology and are not directly related. Progress in one is therefore not a prerequisite for progress in the other.<br /> * If the Final Five did not have Jump-technology, and the Colonial Cylons' Jump-technology was on par with that of the humans, how did the Cylons develop Jump-Drives that were far more advanced than the Humans?<br /> ** The 12 Tribes' Centurions/Cylons had over 40 years to improve upon Colonial Jump-technology. As it has been shown numerous times during the show, Cylons had developed technologies that are far-more advanced than Colonial technology. As they had 40 years of isolation to test and improve upon designs, it is not inconceivable to see how a race of cybernetic creatures would constantly improve upon technology. For example, the current line of Centurions vs. the original Centurions are far more advance in technology and battle effectiveness.<br /> * Right before going into surgery, Sam maniacally pleaded that Saul &quot;stay with the fleet&quot; and also mentioned that a &quot;miracle from the angels&quot; was coming. What is he referring to? Will Saul and the other Cylons heed his request?<br /> * Where did Boomer's Raptor come from? ([[Torn|Answer]])<br /> * When Ellen said that the Final Five had backtracked the path their ancestors used to find Earth, did they do so only through documented evidence (starcharts, books, etc.), or did they find physical signposts such as the Ionian Nebula, the Lion's Head beacon, and Kobol?<br /> **It seems unlikely that the Five could have physically backtracked along the trail of their ancestors, given the fact that they did not possess FTL technology.<br /> <br /> ==Character Development==<br /> * ''In the episode we see Sharon Valerii for the first time since &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot;. She has been under the tutelage of John Cavil since shortly after the Cylon occupation of Caprica. When she first downloaded, after Cally Henderson (the future Cally Tyrol) shot her on Galactica, she still thought of herself as a human, had a human outlook, and hated her Cylon being. She even kept her old apartment on Caprica. She wanted and desired love and felt bitterly that she had, from her point of view, betrayed her friends as she expressed in [[Downloaded]]:''<br /> <br /> :Sharon Valerii: What are you thinking? Do you think I care about your god? <br /> <br /> :Caprica Six: Look, God loves you. <br /> <br /> :Valerii: This is love. (Re: a picture of the Galactica crew) These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them. I shot a man I loved. Frakked over another man, ruined his life. And why? Because I'm a lying machine. I'm a frakking Cylon! <br /> <br /> :''Ten months ago as of this episode, and approximately two years after she downloaded back into the Cylon baseship and went under the guidance of John Cavil after the failure of the [[New Caprica]] occupation, this was her attitude to love. It occurred in a discussion with Ellen Tigh after Cavil's passionate speech about how she foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:''<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Don't you feel the slightest bit of remorse for what you did to him? What you did to us?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No. [turns her head to look at her] Because he's wrong, Boomer! There is no need for remorse or blame. We didn't limit you. We gave you something wonderful!! Free will! The ability to think creatively. To reach out to others with compassion. To love.<br /> <br /> :Valerii: Love? Who? Humans? Why would I want to do that? Who would I want to love?<br /> <br /> :''Her attitude toward love seems not only to have been influenced by Cavil, but also is an reaction over her experiences of the failure of the New Caprica experiment and the rejection by [[Hera]], fellow Eight [[Sharon Agathon]]'s child from which she probably felt that being a Cylon she will never know the love of a child of her own. In reaction, she almost killed Hera but was prevented from doing so by Caprica Six. After which she seemed to had made the decision to follow the virulently anti-human Cavil, the very antithesis of what she previous believed. This is possibly a symptom of an emotional compensation coping mechanism due to her traumatic experiences.''<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> Maureen Ryan of the Chicago Tribune interviews Jane Espenson and Ryan Mottesheard about the episode:&lt;ref&gt;[http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-no-exit-ellen-cavil-boomer.html &quot;You asked, they answered: 'Battlestar Galactica' writers take on your 'No Exit' questions&quot;], chicagotribune.com.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * &quot;The Colony&quot; is definitely of significance.<br /> * The Earth was destroyed by an uprising of Centurions that the humanoid Cylons created.<br /> * Cavil kept at least one blank body for each of the Five. The fact that none were killed in the war until Ellen died at her husband's hands is a source of frustration for him.<br /> * Cavil probably wouldn't be happy in a metal body either.<br /> * Like the Ones and Sevens, the Twos, Threes, Fours, Fives, Sixes, and Eights did at one time know and interact with the Final Five, but the Ones corrupted their memories and programmed them not to think of the Final Five.<br /> * The Final Five, and presumably the whole Thirteenth Tribe, were originally polytheists like the other twelve tribes. They became monotheists after encountering the monotheistic Colonial Centurions, who believed in a loving and merciful God, a belief system the Final Five incorporated into the Significant Eight.<br /> * It is re-iterated that Tigh did not actually serve in the first war, but was given fake memories of having done so. His friendship with Adama dates back to their service on a freighter together a few years after the war.<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> ''John Cavil had just shown a &quot;slide show&quot; - as Ellen Tigh cynically put it - of the destruction of the [[Algae planet]], the home of the [[The Temple of Five|Temple of Hopes]] built by the travelers from Kobol on their way to colonize Earth and the Twelve Colonies, when its own star went nova. Cavil was there to observe it. He relates his experience to Ellen and his disappointment over it, revealing his self-loathing and hatred of his human form and his deep seated resentment to Ellen and the other Finals for foisted on him the limiting form of a human body:'' <br /> <br /> :John: In all your travels, have you ever seen a star supernova?<br /> <br /> :Ellen: No.<br /> <br /> :John: No? Well, I have. I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there, I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ''ridiculous'' gelatinous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air.<br /> <br /> :Ellen: The five of us designed you to be as ''human'' as possible.<br /> <br /> :John: I DON'T WANT TO BE HUMAN! I want to see [[w:gamma rays|gamma rays]]! I want to hear [[w:X-rays|X-rays]], and I -- I want to -- I want to smell [[w:dark matter|dark matter]]! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to -- I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the [[w:solar wind|solar wind]] of a supernova flowing over me! I'm a machine, and I could know much more, I could experience so much more, BUT I'M TRAPPED IN THIS ABSURD BODY! AND WHY? Because my five creators thought that ''God'' wanted it that way!<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]<br /> * [[John Hodgman]] as Dr. [[Gerard]]<br /> * [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]<br /> * [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Ryan Mottesheard]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:No Exit]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the religion of the Colonies as seen in the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For summary information on the Kobollian religion from the [[Original Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].''<br /> :''For information on the various mythologies used in ''Battlestar Galactica'', see [[Mythological references]].''<br /> <br /> {{RDM twelve colonies series}}<br /> <br /> The dominant '''religion of the Twelve Colonies''', which the various characters of ''Battlestar Galactica'' practice to greater or lesser extent, is a [[Wikipedia:polytheism|polytheistic]] faith&lt;ref&gt;The Colonial deities are very similar to the [[Wikipedia:Greek mythology|Olympic gods]] of Greek mythology on the real-world Earth.&lt;/ref&gt; with a strong emphasis on the philosophy of [[Wikipedia:Eternal return|eternal return]]. There is a several variations of this faith practiced by different groups.<br /> <br /> ==Origin==<br /> [[Image:Pythia.jpg|right|thumb|A portion of the Sacred Scrolls, specifically, a portion of the Book of [[Pythia]].]]<br /> The eternal return aspect between the peoples of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] suggest a parallel or reverse-origin with humanity as a whole or the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] that presumably populated it. See [[History of the Twelve Colonies]] for more analysis.<br /> <br /> In the burial scene of the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] states, &quot;Life here began out there,&lt;ref&gt;This phrase is a homage to the [[Original Series]], where each episode began with this phrase in a voice-over introduction.&lt;/ref&gt;&quot; reminding the assembly that this was the first line of the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the principle religious tome of the Colonial faith, told to them by the Lords Of Kobol many centuries ago.<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> ==Belief==<br /> ===The Lords of Kobol===<br /> Colonial religion is centered on the Lords of Kobol. In the Re-imagined Series, ten Lords of Kobol have been positively identified: <br /> <br /> * [[Zeus]] - The leader of the gods. [[Tom Zarek]] has twice referred to [[William Adama|Bill Adama]] as &quot;Zeus&quot; (&quot;[[Bastille Day]]&quot;, &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, as a play on [[Lee Adama]]'s callsign).<br /> * [[Aphrodite]] - The goddess of love and sexuality. Kara Thrace prays often to this Lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> * [[Apollo, Lord of Kobol|Apollo]] - Zeus' son, said to be the god of the hunt and of healing ([[Bastille Day]]).<br /> * [[Ares]] - The god of war. The [[Nicholas Tyrol|infant son]] of [[Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] is [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to this Lord of Kobol ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).<br /> * [[Artemis]] - Twin sister of Apollo, goddess of the hunt. [[Kara Thrace]] prays often to this lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> * [[Asclepius]] - The god of healing ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> * [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]] - This lord committed suicide &quot;out of despair over the exodus of the thirteen tribes&quot; ([[Home, Part II]]). Her [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] holds a map to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).<br /> * [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn]] ([[Maelstrom]])&lt;ref&gt;Aurora is the Roman counterpart of the Greek [[w:Eos|Eos]]. Eos is one of the [[w:Titans (mythology)|Titans]]. Since the Lords of Kobol are modeled after the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] however, this could indicate that she is not one of the Lords, but belongs to another group of deities.&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> * [[Hera, Lord of Kobol|Hera]] - Wife of Zeus. A [[Gates of Hera|mountain ridge]] on Kobol is named after her ([[Home, Part II]]), and the [[Hera Agathon|first Cylon/human hybrid child]] is named for this lord ([[Downloaded]]).<br /> * [[Poseidon]] - [[Gaius Baltar]] mentions this deity in a conversation with [[Tracey Anne]] ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).<br /> <br /> The Colonials appear to use multiple names for their gods, interchanging &quot;Mars&quot; for &quot;Ares&quot;, &quot;Jupiter&quot; for &quot;Zeus&quot;, and so on.&lt;ref&gt;Curiously, [[Laura Roslin]] mentions that the 134th day of the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] is Mars Day ([[Occupation]]), suggesting that Ares may also be called by his alternate Roman pantheon's name. The same happens again in &quot;[[The Passage]]&quot; when Zeus is referred to by the name of his Roman counterpart Jupiter.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ====Afterlife====<br /> Believers think that they will go to [[Fields of Elysium]] after death if they led a good life ([[Faith]]). &lt;ref&gt;This is clearly a direct parallel to the ancient Greek [[w:Elysium|Elysian Fields]], the part of the [[w:Hades|underworld]] corresponding to &quot;heaven&quot;. The visual image of a ferry crossing a river also parallels the river [[w:Styx|Styx]].&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Paradise Lost ====<br /> According to the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the gods once shared a paradise-like existence with the people of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. Later circumstances forced the exodus of the human population of Kobol to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and lead to Athena's suicide.<br /> <br /> The existence of the Lords of Kobol is attested to by the survival of numerous artifacts, including the [[Arrow of Apollo]], the [[Tomb of Athena]] and the [[Gates of Hera]]. However, although she accepts their historic authenticity, [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]], a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], questions their actual divinity.&lt;ref&gt;There is a notion in fan circles that there are twelve lords of Kobol, by analogy to the twelve Cylon models, twelve Colonies, and perhaps the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] of Greek mythology. A post from [[Ron D. Moore]]'s blog [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/03/index.html#a000023 on March 12, 2005] loosely alludes on this coincidence, but further official sourcing has not been revealed.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ====The Jealous God====<br /> [[Elosha]] states that the exodus from Kobol was precipitated when &quot;one jealous god began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods, and the war on Kobol began.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;From a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]] cut from the episode &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]&quot;.&lt;/ref&gt; This figure may be related to or identical with &quot;[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|the one whose name cannot be spoken]]&quot;, whose [[Temple of Five|temple]] is discovered in &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> ====The Path of Olympus====<br /> [[Tom Zarek]] conveys to [[Laura Roslin]] and her [[Laura Roslin faction|followers]] the news that Commander [[William Adama]] had resumed command of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' after the attempt on his life by saying: &quot;Zeus has returned to '''Olympus'''&quot; ([[The Farm]]).&lt;ref&gt;In Greek mythology, the home of the gods on Earth resided high atop Greece's highest mountain, Mount Olympus, at a time where access to the mountain summit would be almost impossible with the inhabitants' technology of that age.&lt;/ref&gt; By Zarek's comment we can infer that Colonial religion appears to acknowledge the existence of a place called Olympus. It cannot yet be determined, however, if Olympus was thought of as the residence of the gods at a specific physical or ''metaphysical'' location of Kobol, as there has been no mention of Olympus elsewhere in the series. If Olympus is a metaphysical locale, this may contradict [[Elosha]]'s comment that the gods and man lived on Kobol together in harmony.<br /> <br /> ===Other Mythological Names in Colonial Culture===<br /> Various items have been identified which are apparently named after other gods and legendary figures of their faith, although these have not been explicitly identified as Lords of Kobol.<br /> <br /> :''See main article: [[Mythological references]]''<br /> <br /> ===The Cycle of Time===<br /> <br /> ''&quot;All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.&quot;''&lt;ref&gt;In a short talk he gave before a screening of &quot;[[Flesh and Bone]]&quot;, Ron Moore revealed that he &quot;stole&quot; the line from the introduction of the Disney animated version of ''[[w:Peter Pan|Peter Pan]]'' (lecture [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9op6PC03LRA part 1] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-9NglSNG0 part 2]).&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> According to [[Gaius Baltar]], this line from the [[Pythia]]n prophecy is very well known ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). [[Laura Roslin]] later expands on it, reminding [[Kara Thrace]],<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;If you believe in the gods, then you believe in the cycle of time that we are all playing our parts in a story that is told again, and again, and again throughout eternity&quot; ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> Various events throughout the series have led some characters to believe that they are playing out another turn of this cycle&lt;ref&gt;The notion of a circular progression of time (also known as [[w:eternal return|eternal return]] or eternal recurrence) is a common theme in other faiths, particularly [[w:Maya#Religion|Mayan]] mythology and is a cornerstone of the Hindu and Buddhist faiths. Moreover, [[w:Stoic|Stoic]] philosophy did believe in the concept of ''ekpyrosis'', the fire which consumes the old world and signals the birth of a new world, identical to the old, for a recurring cycle of birth, death and rebirth.&lt;/ref&gt;. (see [[Sacred Scrolls]] for more detailed analysis).<br /> <br /> ===Sanctity of Life===<br /> According to the Sacred Scrolls, abortion is &quot;an abomination in the eyes of the Gods&quot;. The more fundamentalist [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] strictly adhere to this commandment, however the more secular Colonies such as Caprica apparently do not follow this as strictly: officially, Colonies-wide Federal law guaranteed a woman the right to an abortion, at least at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]).<br /> <br /> ==Individual Practice==<br /> The Colonials display a wide spectrum of religious practice, ranging from [[Billy Keikeya]]'s atheism ([[Home, Part II]], [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Home, Part II|cut scene]]) to Corporal [[Venner]]'s literalistic readings of the Sacred Scrolls.<br /> <br /> While not fully explained in the Re-imagined Series, it appears, based on the information from a [[dedication ceremony]] for [[Nicholas Tyrol]] and the prayers of [[Kara Thrace]], that each Colonial is paired, or &quot;placed in the service&quot; with one or more of the Lords. Based on the dedication ceremony blessing, Zeus is a considered &quot;almighty&quot; or foremost of the gods, while other Lords are prayed to by Colonials as a proxy to Zeus.&lt;ref&gt;This practice is similar to a Catholic practice of prayer to Mary, mother of Jesus. While Mary is a human, followers believe that, by praying to Mary, she can intercede to aid the acceptance of the prayer by the [[w:Trinity|Trinity]], the godhead of the Catholic faith.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Artifacts===<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:left; margin-right:1em;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Bsg-arrow-apollo.jpg|75px]]&lt;/div&gt;<br /> Despite Gemenon's fundamentalist climate, the city of [[Delphi]] on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] was apparently of a mind to store an important religious artifact, the [[Arrow of Apollo]], in a [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies|museum]], rather than a devotional institution ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> Ancient temples may be also be the repository of special artifacts such as the [[Eye of Jupiter]], believed to be stored inside the legendary [[Temple of Five]] (&quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot;).<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Dress===<br /> [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The robes of [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]])]]<br /> As seen by the various [[Laura Roslin faction|separatists]] orbiting Kobol in &quot;[[Home, Part I]]&quot;, it appears that many Colonials have clothing that suggests a religious deference. In the scene, one older, white-bearded gentleman is dressed in simple colored robes and a round, flat head covering&lt;ref&gt;These robes may remind viewers of the tradition dress of Hasidic Jews, Islamic clerics, or Eastern Orthodox clerics of the real-world Earth.&lt;/ref&gt; Other distinctive dress styles of other characters in the scene increase the sense of the dedication of religion in the Gemenese people (which appear to comprise the majority of Roslin's separatists).<br /> <br /> The [[oracle]] [[Dodona Selloi]] dresses in a turban and robes, suggesting a special role in Colonial society or its religious hierarchy ([[Exodus, Part I]]).<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Idols===<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:right; margin-right:1em;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Idols.jpg|100px]]&lt;/div&gt;<br /> At the end of the episode &quot;[[Flesh and Bone]]&quot;, Kara Thrace, a devotee of Artemis and Aphrodite (as stated by [[Leoben Conoy]] in the same episode), prays to them on Conoy's behalf using figurines that bear a similarity to classic representations of Artemis and Athena. Artemis is depicted with her bow and arrow, and Athena with her helmet of war.<br /> <br /> When visting the oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]], Thrace receives a figurine of the goddess [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] as a gift ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Prayer===<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:left; margin-right:1em;&quot;&gt;[[Image:The_Farm-Group_Worship.jpg|100px]]&lt;/div&gt;<br /> Some prisoners on the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' seeking rehabilitation have turned to group prayer.<br /> They greet Laura Roslin as a prophet and she provides them with a blessing ([[The Farm]]).<br /> <br /> Priest [[Elosha]] sings a group prayer in a [[Service for the dead]] after the Fleet escapes from the initial Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]).&lt;ref&gt;The language she sings is [[w:Sanskrit|Sanskrit]], a classical language of real-world Earth's Hindu/Indian peoples. More about the verses that she sings and their meaning can be found in the [[Language in the Twelve Colonies#Liturgy|Language in the Twelve Colonies]] article.&lt;/ref&gt; The priest also gives a prayer after ''[[Colonial One]]'' is boarded by Commander Adama's troops to remove Roslin from power ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> A chaplain delivered a simple prayer at the funeral of [[Zak Adama]], two years prior to the fall of the Colonies ([[Act of Contrition]])&lt;ref&gt;The prayer's mention of committing a &quot;body to the ground from which we were all made&quot; echoes the Biblical passage of [http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis3.htm Genesis 3:19]:'''<br /> :&quot;By the sweat of your brow<br /> :you will eat your food<br /> :until you return to the ground,<br /> :since from it you were taken;<br /> :for dust you are<br /> :and to dust you will return.&quot;&lt;/ref&gt;:<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The burdens of this life are with us but a short time. For Lieutenant Zak Adama, son of [[William Adama|William]] and [[Carolanne Adama]], brother of [[Lee Adama|Lee]], the time was too short, but we take comfort in knowing his life was willingly given in service to all of us. We honor them for that. And thus, it falls upon us to repent our sins and with the help of the Lords of Kobol, make our own lives worthy of that gift. And now, we commit his body to the ground from which we were all made.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> Corporal [[Venner]] asks [[Laura Roslin]] to join him in a simple prayer while ''Galactica'' is attacked as it desperately tries to find its Fleet ([[Scattered]]).<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;''(To Roslin:)'' Will you pray with me? ''(He begins:)'' Help us, Lords of Kobol. Help your prophet Laura guide us to the path of righteousness. That we might-- that we might destroy our enemies. Let us walk the path of righteousness and lift our faces unto your goodness. Help us turn away from the calls of the wicked and show us the knowledge of your certain salvation. We offer this prayer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> Prayer is also seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|Season 3 webisode series]] in a temple (where prayers are written and then burned before an idol), and by [[Kara Thrace]] ([[Miniseries]], &quot;[[Flesh and Bone]]&quot;).&lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Rosaries===<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;float:left; margin-right:1em;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Rosary.jpg|100px]]&lt;/div&gt;<br /> As [[Laura Roslin]] begins to suffer from [[chamalla]] withdrawal in ''Galactica'''s brig, Corporal Venner, a [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]], anxiously clutches a set of white prayer beads ([[Fragged]]).<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> ===[[Temple]]===<br /> [[Image:Resistance - Webisode 4.jpg|thumb|[[Nora Farmer|Nora]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] pray in a temple on [[New Caprica]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 4|Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance - Episode 4]]).]]<br /> <br /> Temples may have been more elaborate places on the Twelve Colonies, but the spaceborne remnants of humanity presumably use any space they can find on their ships to form a basic temple. As seen on [[New Caprica]], a basic temple may consist of a simple altar with candles, idols of the Lords of Kobol, and what meager offerings the Colonials can give as a [[w:tithe|tithe]]. Some prayers are written on paper and burned ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).<br /> <br /> The temple on New Caprica was known as the Temple of Artemis ([[Collaborators]]), suggesting that temples are dedicated to a Lord or Lords, and may be related to the pairing of Colonials to a specific set of Lords at their dedication ceremony.<br /> <br /> A similar arrangement to temple is found in an [[Yolanda Brenn|oracle camp]] ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> <br /> A room used for religious services on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is referred to as a temple ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Sagittaron beliefs===<br /> Orthodox [[Sagittaron#Culture|Sagittaron beliefs]] are more anachronistic than the Gemenese's, believing that the mind and body are myths, and that medicine is &quot;an abomination, a sin against the Gods&quot;. Sagittarons also blame physicians for the spread of disease due to their ignorance of the aforementioned &quot;myth&quot; of the body and mind. They traditionally do not believe in violence, even to the point of not aiding the [[New Caprica Resistance]] in their fight against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation of [[New Caprica]] ([[The Woman King]]).<br /> <br /> ===Other minority beliefs===<br /> <br /> A small minority of the Colonials were secretly [[God (RDM)|monothiests]]. While it is not clear if such worship was still in practice in modern Colonial times up to the Cylon holocaust, an [[Temple of Five|unusual temple]] found on a [[Algae planet|remote planet]] suggests that monotheism was prevalent in the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]]. <br /> <br /> After the [[Second Exodus]], [[Gaius Baltar]] later founds a monotheistic cult which finds itself in conflict with the established faiths. Baltar's faith comes into direct, violent conflict with the [[Sons of Ares]] as well as the general Colonial polythiests. [[Mithraism]] is also noted in practice ([[Escape Velocity]])<br /> <br /> ==The Clergy==<br /> The religious and government bodies of the Twelve Colonies work together. This association is likely based on the religious homogeneity of the Colonies.&lt;ref&gt;This differs from the United States, whose government is based on religious tolerance through the separation of religious practice and legislature. While the real-world Earth has many, many religions, the Twelve Colonies, as yet, appear to have only one religion and as such does not suffer greatly from schisms or other religious factions, although colonists such as the Gemenese show a different emphasis on how they interpret the religious writings.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Priests===<br /> [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Collaborators - Priest.jpg|right|thumb|A male [[Unnamed characters (RDM)#Priest|priest]]. ([[Collaborators]]).]]<br /> [[Image:Elosha1.jpg|thumb|left|Elosha, priest and friend of President Roslin. ([[Home, Part I]])]]<br /> [[Laura Roslin]] [[Case Orange|is sworn into the presidency]] by a ''priest'', [[Elosha]], who continues on in an advisory capacity within Roslin's administration.<br /> Priests also preside over military funerals, without regard for the beliefs of the deceased.<br /> <br /> Priests in the Twelve Colonies are apparently not required to practice celibacy, and can be male or female. Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] states that his father was a priest and his mother an oracle ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).&lt;ref&gt;Galen Tyrol's information may be skewed by the revelation that he himself is a Cylon ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> According to [[Billy Keikeya]], some priests use [[chamalla]] for its hallucinogenic properties. The prescient dreams it imparted to Laura Roslin may imply the use of something similar by [[Pythia]], an ancient prophet. [[Oracle]]s also use the drug.<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear: both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Brothers===<br /> [[Image:Cyca2.jpg|left|thumb|The false Brother [[Cavil]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).]]<br /> The term ''Brother'' is used as a title for male members of the clergy, although it is not fully apparent whether this role is similar to that of a [[w:Monk|monk]] or [[w:Deacon|deacon]].<br /> <br /> As with priests, a brother offers consultation and leads prayer.<br /> <br /> The only instance of this clergy is Brother [[Cavil]], who offers guidance to Chief Tyrol.<br /> <br /> Cavil, however, is revealed as a [[humanoid Cylon]] some time later. Because of Cavil's nature, there may be doubt as to whether Cavil is a useful example of the work of a Brother in Colonial religion.<br /> <br /> It is probable that Brothers are lay clergy (unlike priests and oracles, who appear to have political status as well as their religious status).<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear: both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Sisters===<br /> [[Image:Tivenan.jpg|right|thumb|Sister Tivenan (right) at a [[dedication ceremony]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance: Episode 10]])]]<br /> As with Brothers in the clergy, there are ''Sisters'' as well.<br /> <br /> Sister [[Tivenan]] is briefly seen tending to business in the temple on [[New Caprica]], guiding prayer and officiating a [[dedication ceremony]] for the [[Nicholas Tyrol|newborn son]] of [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).<br /> <br /> It is probable that Sisters, like Brothers, are lay clergy.<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear: both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Oracles===<br /> {{mainarticle|Oracle}}<br /> [[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|left|thumb|The oracle [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]]).]]<br /> [[Image:S3 oraclebrenn low.jpg|right|thumb|The oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]] ([[Maelstrom]]).]]<br /> There is little information as to the religious functions of ''oracles''. [[Dodona Selloi]] is one of two oracles seen in the Re-imagined Series. She confirms the dreams of a copy of [[Number Three]] and the existence of [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]. It is not clear if Selloi is sitting in a tent designated as a temple, but there are numerous ornate or curious inscriptions surrounding and inside her tent that suggest the significance of the oracle's tent or her presence. A second oracle, [[Yolanda Brenn]], gives counsel to [[Kara Thrace]] on her strange dreams aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Maelstrom]]).<br /> <br /> Priests and oracles may assume their roles due to an personal, possibly inherited affinity to sense spiritual changes or conditions. [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Final Five|believed to be the son of a priest and oracle]], detects the presence of and finds the [[Temple of Five]] alone, based only on his senses, apparently detecting the hidden temple on the otherwise-unremarkable (and undocumented) [[algae planet]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> == A Cylon Connection ==<br /> :''Main article: [[Cylon Religion]]''<br /> :''See Also: [[The Destiny]], [[Final Five]], [[Temple of Five]]''<br /> <br /> While humanoid Cylons show a strict, firm belief in a monotheistic [[God (RDM)|God]], referring to the Lords of Kobol as &quot;false idols,&quot; a connection between the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol may exist. In &quot;[[Exodus, Part I]]&quot;, an [[Selloi|oracle]] tells [[Number Three]] (who has a ''dream'' of the oracle's tent and of holding the believed-dead hybrid child [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]) that she has a message from the one that Number Three worships. This poses the question how an oracle of the Lords of Kobol be able to hear the messages of the Cylon God.<br /> <br /> A Kobollian god(s) was separated from the others (per a deleted scene about a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Jealous God|jealous god]]).<br /> <br /> The [[Temple of Five]], which a [[Number Three]] uses to visualize the identities of the [[Final Five]]) was not built for the Cylons (who were not created until 4,000 years later) but for humans. The Temple, according to the Sacred Scrolls, was built for five priests who worshiped &quot;[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]&quot;. It is not clear if this was the spurned &quot;jealous god&quot; or another fallen member of the Lords of Kobol. No further information on the connection between the Cylon and Colonial religions in regards to the Temple of Five is revealed as of the end of Season 3.&lt;ref&gt;While the notion of a fallen Lord is speculative in the Re-imagined Series, there is already a parallel series of characters from the [[Original Series]]: The [[Beings of Light]] and their fallen member, [[Iblis]]. [[Ron D. Moore]], however, has stated in several interviews that he was not planning to use this Original Series concept in the Re-imagined Series.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Kara Thrace]] realizes her [[The Destiny|destiny]], first from the words of a [[Leoben Conoy]] model, and later, in a type of dream, through a [[Virtual Leoben|entity that took the likeness of Leoben]], but was not a Cylon. From death, Thrace [[Crossroads, Part II|returns]] to the Fleet, not as an illusion, but resurrected -- something that, prior to Thrace, only a humanoid Cylon could do.<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{featured article}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial History]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Society]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Society (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Organizations]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page/Archive6&diff=166682 2008-08-13T16:13:22Z

<p>Xlynx: /* new movie - news worthy? */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>{{Template:Archive-bot<br /> |archiveheader = {{archive-message|newarchive=%(counter)d}}<br /> |maxarchivesize = 32K<br /> |counter = 5<br /> |minthreadsleft = 0<br /> |algo = old(5d)<br /> |archive = Talk:Main Page/Archive%(counter)d<br /> }}{{ArchiveTOC}}<br /> <br /> __TOC__<br /> <br /> What happened to the blog? Just a big empty space I can see (monobook). [[User:OTW|OTW]] 01:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Moved it to the [[Portal:Blogs]]. I can't find this empty space on monobook. Hard refresh. It was casuing slow downs being on the main page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 01:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> The Last Aired Episode and Next Episode are both out of date. Don't know how to change this myself. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 22:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == new movie - news worthy? ==<br /> <br /> A new BSG movie seems official (not s4, not caprica), see:<br /> http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/113815.html and http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/08/battlestar-gala.html --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:News/Colonial_Fleet_News_Service&diff=166622 2008-08-10T04:32:11Z

<p>Xlynx: mention and link Caprica</p> <hr /> <div>{{#ifeq: {{{1|}}}|ref<br /> |&lt;!-- THEN: --&gt; &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> |&lt;!-- ELSE: --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- 5 to 6 news items. 6, if they are small, 5 if they are large. --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- Start from the top with new news, and work them down. --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- Add them to the Community Portal Notice Board, if they are still &quot;dated&quot; news items. --&gt;<br /> *In a [http://www.skypressoffice.co.uk/SkyOne/news/showarticle.asp?id=2528&amp;month=8&amp;year=2008 press release] issued by SkyOne on August 6th, SkyOne announces that it has acquired rights to air the 2-hour prequel ''[[Caprica_(series)|Caprica]]'' on both SkyOne and SkyOne HD. It also gives the tentative date of November 2008 for its airing.<br /> *A video of the ''Battlestar'' panel at ComicCon can be watched on [http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=279928 SciFi.com].<br /> *Battlestar Wiki's [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] will be involved with the [http://www.battlestarprops.com Battlestar Props auction] as a research assistant, leading a team of volunteer who are researching the various props, costumes, and set pieces that will be part of the official auction. This enables Battlestar Wiki exclusive access to behind-the-scenes content, which you will see added to the website in the coming months. As a result of this, Battlestar Wiki has created an independent wiki that chronicles the props, set pieces, and costumes used in the Battlestar Galactica television series, since there will be at least 3,000 different items that will be cataloged and part of the auction. If you wish to help us out, please start contributing to the Battlestar Wiki's Props reference [[props:|located here]].<br /> *A short promo for ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' is [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?clip=4&amp;sub=specials available on SciFi.com]. Also, BSG.cz has the first three high-resolution promotional photos from the pilot [http://www.bsg.cz/caprica-pilot-promofotky-3 here].<br /> *[[Brandon Jerwa]] discusses his brand new four-issue comic mini-series, ''[[Battlestar Galactica: Ghosts]]'', on Newsarama. That interview is [http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080715-BSGGhosts.html here].<br /> *Read the [http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/tor.com/CarverBSGHTML/Carver_Jeffrey%20-%20Battlestar%20Galactica.html &quot;Battlestar Galactica&quot; novel] by Jeffrey A. Carver, now available to download in three various formats from Tor Books [http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=blog&amp;id=577 Freebies Bonanza].<br /> }}<br /> &lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/noinclude&gt;</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battle_of_New_Caprica/Archive_1&diff=165716 2008-07-13T14:07:39Z

<p>Xlynx: /* Battle Imagery */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>Holy frak. (And that was from the first 30 minutes.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:05, 20 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :You took the words right out of my mouth. Most excellent! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:45, 20 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::I know! Holy frakking frak. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::My Grandchildrens' childeren will kmow about this episode! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:03, 20 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::Was so good... I am posting my own option.... 100 out of 10. ;-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 21:39, 20 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Losses==<br /> We've said &quot;dozens&quot; or &quot;hundreds&quot;, but we should decide on one, because frankly I support &quot;dozens&quot;. Nobody died in Pegasus, and on New Caprica it didn't look like &quot;hundreds&quot; died considering that's a big number for these people. So what will it be? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:51, 21 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :For starters, we don't know that there weren't fatalities aboard the ''Pegasus'' (people may have died from hull breaches or whatnot before Adama gave the order to abandon ship). I do agree, however, that it was probably dozens, maybe less than a couple hundred at max (and that's stretching it, IMHO) that died planetside. I would list &quot;Losses currently unknown&quot; until we start getting a fleet population count again, then work our way from there.--&lt;font color=&quot;#4b0082&quot;&gt;[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color=&quot;#2f4f4f&quot;&gt;''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''&lt;/font&gt; 18:10, 21 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Actually, &quot;unknown number&quot; would work better, since we do not know specifically either way. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 04:45, 22 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> With the survivor count reinstated in &quot;Collaborators&quot; we now know that about 2000 people died on New Caprica, both in the insurgency and the exodus.&lt;br&gt;<br /> LDYB: 39,192 + 2,000 + 2,200 = 43,392 (2000 in the escaped civilian ships, 2200 on both half-strength battlestars)&lt;br&gt;<br /> Collaborators: 41,435&lt;br&gt;<br /> Since there is some rounding and guessing involved anyways, &quot;approximately 2000&quot; seems to be the best.<br /> <br /> It can also be assumed that a couple of civilian ships were destroyed or left back on the planet, as numerous civilians are on Galactica. RDM mentioned that in the podcast as well. We just didn't see it on screen. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:16, 29 October 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Unfortunately, that covers the entire time span between LDYB2 and Collaborators, nearly five months. We can be sure that many died in the Exodus, but many of those casualties must have taken place during the occupation. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:43, 29 October 2006 (CST)<br /> ::True, but not even a larger part of it. There wasn't ''that'' much fighting until shortly before the end. Just guessing I'd say less than 300 during the occupation. That still leaves a sizeable amount of losses during the evacuation<br /> ::Maybe a note, saying that it includes the losses during the whole occupation? It's probably the closest we'll ever get to an accurate number and far better than &quot;unknown&quot; --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:48, 29 October 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> Also, please dont neglect the destruction of Cloud Nine and the other two vessels alongside - they may have had a few 1000 people on them... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:18, 29 October 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> :We haven't. See [[survivor count]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:06, 29 October 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> Why are deaths in the insurgency being included in the casualties box? Approx 500 people died during it so that would make the losses of the actual battle at roughly 1500. So again, why are insurgency deaths being included? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 15:37, 22 December 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Where are you getting 500 from? As far as I know, we don't know how many people died in the insurgency. We heard some numbers from isolated incidents but have no idea what happened offscreen. If you can proove those numbers, sure. But unless I missed something, it seems like speculation to me.<br /> :One could even argue that the resistance also belongs to the battle. At least it led up to it and made it possible --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:46, 22 December 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Which Three is this Three?==<br /> <br /> ''...Meanwhile, Baltar and [[Caprica Six]] attempt to stop [[D'anna Biers]] from activating a nuclear device. After the Cylons lost control of the ground situation, the majority of the agents left on a [[Heavy Raider]] and left Biers with the responsibility of activating a nuclear device to &quot;clean up&quot;; however, she can't find it.''<br /> <br /> How exactly was it detemined that this Three was the [[D'anna Biers]] Three? I would argue that this three was the one that tried to have the &quot;War Heroes&quot; boxed in [[Downloaded]]. D'anna, (assuming she died on Cloud 9, we don't know) was still alive and with the fleet according to the [[Timeline]].<br /> <br /> And how did we determine that Three &quot;couldn't find&quot; the nuke? It appears that she made a beeline for the oracle, as presumably the nuke would be located inside the &quot;green zone&quot;. [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 00:41, 23 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Actually, she was named as D'anna by Baltar, which is pretty interesting. Somehow she must have been able to avoid being exposed by Anders for over a year, until the arrival of new resurrection facilities. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:12, 23 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::Look at the &quot;Number Three&quot; article talk page. I posted a section on some research I did to find out which Three it was :p --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 05:59, 23 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :As interesting as this discussion is, it is more relevant for the [[Exodus, Part II]] or [[Number Three]] page rather than the page for the battle. I'm cutting down the last paragraph about this sequence for the same reason. My rationale: once the civilian ships depart, once the basestars are destroyed/debilitated, once ''Galactica'' is away, a potential squabble between Baltar and whichever Cylons happen to remain on the surface matters very little. There is very limited militarily decisive action; it ought not get more than a cursory review in a battle summary, especially with as much as we must assume to make the description accurate. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 11:40, 23 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I concur with Keithustrus. Battle pages are not for episode or character narratives. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:49, 23 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Atmospheric Heating Effects==<br /> <br /> Of course it looked cool, but I am not really sure why the underside of Galactica would have been superheated as it descended toward New Caprica City the way it was protrayed in the episode. Such superheating is not the result of free-falling through the atmosphere, but actually the result of friction with the atmosphere due to extreme velocity. Which is precisely why skydivers do not burn up after jumping out of an airplane but space craft deorbiting (traveling initially at about 5 miles per second coming from low Earth orbit as an example) do. Galactica jumped into the atmosphere over New Caprica City, it did not (strictly speaking) reenter the atmosphere. It is possible, of course, that any velocity Galactica had prior to jumping was imparted to or else retained by Galactica after the jump. However, one might be pardoned for supposing that any such velocity would have been along the ship's main bow-to-stern axis (though this is not necessarily true), and not stright along the free fall axis the ship was clearly heating up on (i.e., from dorsal to ventral side). I would also point out that Galactica did not appear to be traveling at a sufficient speed in its fall to cause superheating, though of course this may be the subject of debate. Anyway, just a thought. The dramatic effect more than made up for any possible technical inaccuracy. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 19:08, 25 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :That's a good technical error to add to one of the science articles, if the general article. ''Galactica'' would have had to be moving much faster than the rate she was falling. The Space Shuttle Orbiter superheats at less than 17,000 MPH as it reenters, and its much higher. Science be damned, though--it was thoroughly badass. :)--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:42, 25 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Yeah, can you give me a suggestion as to which article(s) to bring this up in? --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 22:59, 25 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :But don't forget, that data is based on the chemical makeup and density of our own atmosphere. Its possible that New Caprica's atmosphere is quite a bit different than Earth's, even though it is still inhabitable. And for all we know, FTL travel causes the surface of a vessel to heat up. This is all hypothetical, but its justification for the appearance of the atmospheric heating. --[[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] <br /> <br /> ::Yes, but we have to assume that New Caprica's atmospheric makeup is at least somewhat similar to Earth normal (which carries the underlying assumption that the Colonials are used to something along those lines), or else we would notice some sort of profound difference, such as a difference in rate of combustion, sound transmission, or any number of other things. I just do not think we have any reason to believe New Caprica is any different (atmosphericaly) from any Terran-type planet. (Probably does not hurt that they actually film the episodes on Earth. ;-) --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 22:59, 25 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :That's a good bit of study but there is another very big factor and that is the sheer size of the Galactica. Nothing that size has ever been witnessed to enter Earth's atmosphere and the incredible mass of it adds a multiplier. What we are seeing is a large release of energy and energy is force through a given distance and force is mass and exceleration, therefore energy = mass x acceleration x change in distance or = mass x velocity squared. Those are 3 equal parameters to energy. We know that the space shuttle superheats at 17,000 mph or thereabouts and lets assume that the gravity of New Caprica is equal to the gravity of Earth, that is g = 9.8 m/s^2. Let's also assume that the distance that they dropped was 90,000 m - a guess from the dialog but really it's just a guess but what seems a theorical large enough distance for the depicted sequence of events to have occurred. Given these parameters, if the Galactica was 654,820 times larger than the space shuttle, then it would release the same amount of energy. (I could bore you with the math but I don't think that is necessary. Ya'll get the idea.) However, I am certainly willing to bet that the Galactica is many million times larger than the Space Shuttle and therefore would release many times more energy which would account for the same superheating effect seen on screen, though objects falling fair slower than the space shuttle, and of much less size cause the same superheating effect. Case in point, the Mercury-Redstone 3 carrying Alan Sheppard to be the 1st American in space only traveled to less than 10,000 MPH (it didn't reach orbital speeds) and was 1/2000 times the size of the space shuttle and it returned superheated. There was this super-rich dude (sorry, I can't remember his name. I'll come back later with a site but right now I can't remember the dudes name.) who recently did a superhigh jump from .... I think it was 80,000 feet and he had to wear heat shielding to protect himself. Again, much smaller object and starting from a relative standstill getting superheated. Normal parachute jumpers only jump from a few hundred to a few thousand feet but no more. You gotta face it! The Galactica is one big ole vessel and it had to jump from a very high altitude to pull off that stunt and it doesn't move through atmo without consequences.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 23:55, 25 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Actually, I ran the math again (1st time I did it practically in my head so it was a little esque) and if I say that the Galactica is 100,000 times larger than the space shuttle dropped at the same parameters, I get 15,000 times as much energy released. Therefore, 1 million times as large produces 150,000 times as much energy. This is taking the Galactica starting at a rest stop (no speed relative to New Caprica) when it initially jumped into the atmosphere. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:44, 26 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I think you are missing the point here: the size of the object is not the issue, it is the speed at which it is traveling. Yes, Galactica has orders of magnitude more potential energy than the Space Shuttle reentering, but most of that energy would be released upon impact with the ground, not as a result of atmospheric friction. And I am not contending that Galactica would not have heated to some degree because of free-fall acceleration: it clearly would. (As indeed spacecraft do upon launch, just not nearly to the degree they do upon reentry where they have to use drag to *entirely* eliminate their orbital velocity.) Whether it would heat it to that degree or cause that level of damage is another question entirely. And there simply is no question that Galactica was traveling anywhere near 17,500 mile per hour or even the 10,000 miles per hour of a suborbital Alan Shepard-type loft. Those speeds are blindingly fast, and Galactica simply was not going that fast based on the video evidence. I lack the math physics to prove it, but I also suspect Galactica's terminal velocity within an atmosphere would also be far, far under the figures necessary to cause deorbit-type heating. Just my two cents. :) --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 12:12, 26 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Thanks for you 2 cents. It's hard to say without actually doing the math (It's definitely a good science experiment for a Physics 101 course) and nobody here can say &quot;Oh, yeah, this is the answer&quot; cuz nobody has ever scene a 2,000,000,000,000 KG drop from that height. But my point is the number of zeroes that are in the mass of the Galactica and I've scene superheating events in significantly smaller objects. A mass with that many zeroes is just as important a factor as how fast it is going. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:28, 26 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Been a long time since taking physics, but let me throw in my two cents. Start with the basics: terminal velocity. If something goes faster than that, it's drag slows it until it reaches that speed. Drag = heat. Let's assume, based on the info [[wikipedia:terminal velocity|here at Wikipedia]] and [[wikipedia:Reentry|here]], that Galactica has terribly more drag than a skydiver or peregrine falcon. I'll guess it's TV is something like...pure guess...150km/h. This, btw, is 93mph or .04 km/s, absolutely nothing compared to the speeds that a ship would be travelling outside of an atmosphere. Here's the main question: '''after jumping, does Galactica begin with an initial velocity, relative to the planet, of 0, or does it maintain its inertial velocity?''' Wikipedia: &quot;An approximate rule-of-thumb used by heat shield designers for estimating peak shock layer temperature is to assume the air temperature in Kelvins to be equal to the entry speed in meters per second. For example, a spacecraft entering the atmosphere at 7.8 km/s would experience a peak shock layer temperature of 7800 K.&quot; So, if Galactica started from a complete stop, it's shock layer temperature would be 42K, which I don't have to tell you is not going to light anything on fire. Because there was fire and all that stuff, I'm going to assume they were travelling at thousands of mph. My conclusion: '''when ships jump, they maintain their Newtonian momentum,''' which makes sense, when you think about it. It seems like the ship could have been saved a lot of wear and tear if it had manually stopped, then jumped. That way, it would fall at *only* its TV, and be subject to not much heat. . . . . . but I'm an amateur. Any experts around? - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 13:22, 26 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Keithustus, Great analysis! However, you guess for TV I think is way off. TV is not a constant. It is a variable that has many parameters, one of which in the numerator is Mass. Therfore, the larger the Mass, the larger the TV. The impression the show gave is that it started from a standstill, what Galactica did was like a skydive. So I can make a comparison with a famous skydiver, [[wikipedia:Joseph Kittinger|Joseph Kittinger]]. In 1961, he jumped from a helium balloon at 102,800 feet (31,300 m) and reached a TV of 618 MPH (994 km/h), or mach 0.9. Since Galactica is 2,000,000,000 times more massive than he was, the TV should be considerably larger. Of course not 2,000,000,000 because the Galactica's cross-sectional area is also far far greater and that's in the denominator so without actually numbers, I can't say for sure the balance of the 2. But I think the TV is going to be more in the range of 1000s rather than 100s of km/h. Again, a guess though. The &quot;reentry shock&quot; effect isn't a factor because the Galactica is skydiving. It's not a question of bringing the Galactica to a rest before jumping but more of a case of Galactica matching the velocity of New Caprica as all objects in space are in motion. Before Galactica jumped, my guess is that they measured the planets vectoral velocity through its orbit around the star and attempted to match it as close as possible before jumping to allow it to enter its atmosphere at a zero velocity relative to New Caprica which would give it the best chance of pulling off its manuever. But all motion through atmosphere causes heat, how much heat is the question. All aircraft travelling above the speed of sound experience some degree of air compressional superheating along their bows, not enough to cause fire, but heating none the less. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 14:12, 26 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I'm back. First, I apologize if removing all the tab-tab-tab-tabbing throws anyone off, but it was wasting a lot of room so I replaced each tab depth with a line of whitespace and two alternating tab depths. So, here's what I did:<br /> #Determine size, displacement, and then determined density of ''[[wikipedia:Akula class submarine|Akula]]''-class submarine, the world's largest. It worked out to be 994 kg/m3, with a full load.<br /> #Determined far larger volume of a [[Mercury class battlestar]], using its specified dimensions. Alright, here's the first big overestimate: I used the same density for the Battlestar as for the sub. The density of the sub ought to be far higher than that of the Battlestar, ''because I used the maximum distance of each dimension, as if the battlestar was a rectangular prism.'' Clearly, it's not, so this will give us an overestimated, and thus, safer, result. Using the same mass, which, as I said, is far higher probably than it should, the mass of ''Galactica'' becomes ...within a significant digit or two of... 140,000,000,000 kg.<br /> #Now to the equation: TV = Sqrt( (2 * mass * gravity) / (coefficient of friction * cross section * density of air) )<br /> :*2 is 2. Easy<br /> :*mass is 1.4 x 10^11, as above<br /> :*gravity....a bit of research indicates that it only lowers slightly, with it at 9.8 where we live, and 9.7 at the fringes of what is generally considered to be the atmosphere. I'll go with 9.75...minor flub.<br /> :*coefficient of friction is hard....it is normally determined experimentally with a wind tunnel, but there are some computer programs that can do it for you, if you have the time, expertise, and precision. On the other hand, the battlestar as shown was kind of like a flat disc falling flat on its face, which has a coefficient of 1.3. Works for me. FYI, airplanes usually are in the .05 to .2 range, cars in .2 to .4, a smooth curved surface at 1. They don't really list a lot of things over 1.3, though...not worth flying I guess.<br /> :*cross section. multipy length times width from specifications. 784770 m^2. Easy<br /> :*atmospheric density. It's like 1.3 kg/m^3 near sea level, and is somewhat less than 1 high up. 1 sounds fine for me. We're just hoping within a significant digit, after all.<br /> :4. Put all the numbers in the formula. Now, before the answer comes, remember that this is a right rectangular prism with a density matching that of a Russian submarine, and thus weighs probably 4-8 times what it ought, and that the friction is different in who knows what ways...my cheap estimates put the &quot;block Battlestar&quot; hitting a maximum velocity of '''1635 m/s, or 1.6 km/s, or 3,657 mph...JUST UNDER MACH 5''' (at sea level). Yikes! Given all the overestimating, I'd round it down to mach 4, maybe 3.5, who knows? Either way, who wants to put money on something built for combat damage to accept heat/turbulance stress at that eventual speed? I'm sold on them carefully match the rotation of the planet as suggested above...but I really don't have the time right now to determine how long it would take or what distance would be covered while reaching that speed (the air resistance really throws off those high-school equations). I've hit the edge of my grasping at this. Hope this has been entertainin and maybe not too uneducational. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 18:26, 26 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::Keithustus, that was very beautiful, I have to hand it to you. Wonderful! That must of taken you a little bit of time to come up with all those numbers. I'm looking it over and I like how you given leaway for error and I will take that TV of Sealevel Mach 4 to 5. It's about an imaginary spacecraft so we can make our own assumptions. So with this TV, we can now determine heat energy released by superheating friction with the atmosphere and that's another set of equations.....--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:19, 26 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::Or we could assume that FTL travel superheats the hull of a ship, and that caused the effect. Makes it much easier to swallow. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 08:36, 27 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::Ok, I've solved this once and for all. First, its likely that Galactica was moving with some velocity when it jumped, so this velocity was maintained after the jump as previous jumps with Raptors prove that velocity is maintained. Add to that the increase of acceleration that started as soon as Galactica finished the jump. When the major said &quot;altitude 99,000, falling like a rock&quot;, he was probably referring to meters, and not feet. So more like 328,000 feet, give or take, or 62 miles, meaning that Galactica was above the theshold of what we call space here on Earth. Like the suborbital Mercury craft, Galactica experienced superheating on its underside because it was in fact passing through the atmosphere of New Caprica. The reason it looked like it was so much lower was because the ship is nearly a frakking mile (1.6 frakking kilometers) long. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 17:05, 09 November 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> It might be worth noting that Tyrol and Tigh were looking in different directions as Galactica Belly Flopped, and neither were looking in the direction where galactica was. [[User:Azselendor|Azselendor]] 11:19, 15 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==A New Piece of Information About Galactica==<br /> It seems like everyones talking about what Galactica's TV may or may not be, but to me the more interesting piece of information we can learn from the battle is that apparently, Galactica isn't designed to land on a planet's surface. Firstly, it lacks any sort of vertical thrusters, secondly, its surface seemed to not respond well to the head of re-entry, thirdly, Galactica has no apparent landing struts or similar devices. Also, we learn that many of the ships in the colonial fleet CAN land. Well actually we learned this earlier in LDYB, but now we also learn that they can take off. From all of this we can infer that Galactica was built, or at least assembled entirely in space, where it is born, lives, fights, and dies. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 15:14, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> :Hi, Antagonist. It's not entirely new information; Gaeta alludes to this when Adama suggests going to Kobol himself, thinking that Adama meant taking the battlestar intraatmosphere ([[Home, Part II]]). I can't think of where any stats of the ship ever said it was a true spaceship, however, these also are not new; the remnants of the Fleet orbiting [[New Caprica]] in [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] also apparently lacked landing ability. Yes, it's most likely that all battlestars are forever spaceborne. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:44, 3 November 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Galactica Battle Scars==<br /> Is it just me but I have seen that the hull of Galactica looks almost black from the battle. There was a shot of the ship passing by that had a great view of the damage. --[[User:Bowersj8|Bowersj8]] 11:14, 8 November 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Material Losses==<br /> When the screen cuts from Lee leaving the CIC, it shows Pegasus going up to colide with the one Basestar, but in the background is the 3rd Basestar and I noticed it had two noticeable &quot;flaming&quot; spots on one of each of its topside and bottomside &quot;points&quot; and as far as we know, it was the only surviving Basestar of the four. This might classify moderate damage to a Basestar, but (just to clarify) is this worth putting in the Battle Data (Moderate damage to 1 Basestar)? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 06:18, 2 December 2006 (CST)<br /> : I do not see any evidence 3 basestars were lost, only two during Pegasus' final run. a 3rd received moderate damaged (pegasus passed it during the final run) and the 4th (pegasus' opening volley) appears to have been routed from the battlefield by pegasus' destruction, but it appears on dradis screens at points after the opening volley, so I would say, not destroyed. As what we saw was not consistent with the destruction or crippling of basestars we've seen in resurrection ship, captain's hand, and torn. I'm inclined to say material losses was 2 basestars lost, 1 crippled and routed, 1 moderately damaged. [[User:Azselendor|Azselendor]] 11:15, 15 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> <br /> :where does your third basestar go? we see Pegasus hit one with its forward batteries but it isnt a confirmed kill as it definetly appears on DRADIS in the next scene only 2 Basestars are confirmed kills in this fight Too many people seem to assume the ship that takes the initial volley dies or suffers extensive damage yet we see Battlestars shrug off this kind of damage all the time with minimum effect. for example Pegasus is under bombardment from at a minimum 3 basestars and in all likelyhood 4 along with whatever the raiders can do for at least aslong as it takes for CMDR Adama to get between CIC and the escape Raptors {{unsigned|Furrygophe}}<br /> <br /> ::Good analysis, Azselendor. If you can note the timestamps of where you see the basestar sources if called upon by other contributors, then it's worthy to update the article to your observations. --15:16, 15 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::: All I need to do is get the episode in high def and I can confirm the damages, because I think I spotted the 4th basestar partially obscured by another one. [[User:Azselendor|Azselendor]] 10:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::Actually, I was rewatching the episode earlier. AVI, not the best of quality, but I make do and I've got some experience watching for little technical details. If you look really carefully at that first basestar Pegasus hits, it looks like the hull begins to undergo considerable warping during the explosions. I'm pretty sure I saw at least one of the prongs on the basestar move, slowly angling away from the rest of the ship. Since Pegasus looked like it was targeting the central axis of that basestar, this implies one of the basestar's prongs was completely decapitated, or at least structurall compromised. Since a basestar is what, 70% prongs? I'd say that if one of the prongs was indeed severed near its root, it would constitute massive damage. Could the Pegasus do such damage with only 4 hits? Maybe, there's always the chance she rolled a 20 and scored a critical. And well, she is THE Pegasus. Interestingly enough, if you watch the 4th hit on the basestar, you'll see that it seems to cause an explosion on impact, but it then proceeds continue on and pass THROUGH the basestar. Maybe Pegy was throwing some penetrators along with the high explosives? Who knows? Plus, she was charging straight at that particular basestar, her velocity would've been positively imparted to her shots. Why didn't we see such a damaged basestar later? Well, it's not like the CG people never screws up, either way. Maybe it was the opposite, and they over did the damage effects from the initial volley against the basestar. --[[User:David Templar|David Templar]] 13:55, 26 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::: At 28:19/20, the dradis screen appears to show 4 basestars on it. If anything, I'd say the one hit in the initial attack was crippled and left stricken as it doesn't seem to participate in the battle afterwards. We need an HD copy to confirm all of this. But I also, reviewing the initial attack, it appears the first basestar suffered considerable damage, however, Pegasus missed a considerable number of shots too. It could very well be that several shots passed throw the explosions and missed the target. [[User:Azselendor|Azselendor]] 16:35, 26 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Media Wiki Error?==<br /> <br /> Okay, i just uploaded a new version of the photo that was being used before, but now, for some reason, 'BONC.jpg' no longer exists, although its DEFINITELY there on the media wiki. Grrr - i much prefer the old days before there were two separate sites. Can someone fix this? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 06:18, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Never mind! All fixed :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 06:20, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Battle Imagery ==<br /> <br /> I much enjoyed the Battle Imagery section. Great job those who contributed to that. I'd love to see [http://s4.tinypic.com/jsmyzd.jpg the view showing the new Caprican coast line] included under &quot;Galactica's Surprise Attack&quot;, however I am not sure of the source or format of my image, so with respect to [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/BWM:ITP the tagging policy on fair use], I have not been able to upload it. --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 14:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Phelan&diff=165167 2008-07-05T10:57:55Z

<p>Xlynx: the anchor was broken (moved to &quot;Leland Adama&quot;). this is a better anchor in the same article</p> <hr /> <div>{{Character Data<br /> | title=Phelan<br /> | photo=Phelan5.jpg<br /> | age=<br /> | colony=<br /> | birthname=<br /> | callsign=<br /> | nickname=<br /> | seen=Black Market<br /> | pseen=<br /> | death=Shot by [[Lee Adama]]<br /> | parents=<br /> | siblings=<br /> | children=<br /> | marital status=<br /> | role=Head of the Fleet's black market<br /> | rank=<br /> | actor=[[Bill Duke]]<br /> | cylon=<br /> | mcylon=<br /> | name=<br /> }} <br /> '''Phelan''' is the head of the [[black market (organization)|black market]] operating within the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] when ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' commander [[Jack Fisk]] is murdered. Phelan kills Fisk after he attempts to renegotiate his fee for allowing the market to work using ''Pegasus'' resources.<br /> <br /> Phelan's father was a member of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], and is presumed dead, killed during the initial [[Cylon]] [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack]]. Phelan himself is an &quot;ex-military mercenary&quot;.<br /> <br /> [[Lee Adama]] meets with Phelan aboard the ''[[Prometheus]]'' in an attempt to rescue [[Shevon]] and her daughter, [[Paya]]. Phelan makes a significant point to Adama that the black market is a necessary evil, despite President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] objections. The black market provides a supply alternative for citizens in the Fleet when official methods become bogged down due to delays or when supplies run short.<br /> <br /> Phelan has no issues with shady and immoral practices such as child prostitution. He claims &quot;it's hard to find the moral high ground when we're all standing in the mud.&quot; When Adama tries to deal with Phelan for Shevon and her daughter, [[Paya]], Phelan says that the child was &quot;already paid for&quot;, indicating the young girl was to be part of his child prostitution ring.<br /> <br /> Adama realizes that, while the black market is necessary, Phelan's use of children, among other things, crosses the line. Realizing that he can't stop the black market but can change its methods, Adama shoots and kills Phelan, who gravely underestimates Adama's [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II#Official_Statements|sense of justice]] (as well as his [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|current state of depression]]). His last words are, &quot;You're not gonna shoot. You're not like me.&quot; ([[Black Market]])<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z|Phelan]]<br /> [[Category:Characters|Phelan]]<br /> [[Category:Characters (RDM)|Phelan]]<br /> [[Category:One-Shot Characters (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM|Phelan]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Revelations/Archive2&diff=164179 2008-06-23T11:07:10Z

<p>Xlynx: /* Is it Earth at all? */ reply to Serenity</p> <hr /> <div>A &quot;Lt. Gonzo Pike&quot; is also listed on the [[:Image:GoBetween260607.jpg|casting sheet]] for &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot; for what it's worth. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> The convention report attributes the forest scenes to episode '''11'''. Since other reports state that they have shut down after episode 13, this like means that they are the same by episode numbers. &quot;Revelations&quot; is episode 10 however! --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 20 November 2007 (CST)<br /> : Here's the thing though... is Katee counting &quot;Razor&quot; as one episode? If so, then that makes &quot;Revelations&quot; episode 11, by her count. Also, about 4.13... it seems that there are only 10 episodes &quot;in the can&quot;, as far as I can determine. Also, production numbers can be taken out of order; it's happened before to series such as ''Babylon 5'' and even the original BSG. So, 4.13... Is ''that'' episode 11, or is that part of episode 10, which may be extended? Plus we have two missing episodes that are unaccounted for, 4.07 and 4.09. <br /> : To be honest, it's a bit confusing. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 09:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Right. Counting &quot;Razor&quot; as one episode makes this correct again. That's probably the case. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == 4.0 finale? ==<br /> <br /> Is this the finale to the first half of the season? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'd venture a &quot;yes&quot;. Not only is the episode #10 out of 20 (excluding &quot;Razor&quot;), but the SciFi Channel doesn't list it either on the site in general or on their schedule. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It's the mid-season cliffhanger... Should add that to the notes. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Advance screening ==<br /> <br /> Since the episode apparently has an [http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html advance screening] tomorrow, maybe we should lock the article. I vaguely I recall that a similar screening resulted in the episode summary or analysis to be written. That's not so bad, but we have no way to verify the stuff. Plus, I don't think we should spoil it for everyone just because a handful of people have seen the episode already. It's probably not that likely that there will be massive edits, but taking precautions doesn't hurt. Someone might also read spoilers somewhere else and try to add them here. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : I believe you are referring to &quot;Razor&quot;. And, well, despite the advanced screening any content from it is still considered a [[BW:SP|spoiler]], since it hasn't made a nation-wide airing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah yes, Razor. That was just an internet leak though and we could easily obtain a copy as well. That's not the case with a theater screening. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually, if you recall, it was also screened in certain markets about a week before the air date. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Location on earth ==<br /> <br /> To me the location on earth looked a bit like the ruins of Ellis Island with New York City in the backround. Am I way off? --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It's Brooklyn. [http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/913/bsgbrooklynbridgeyx0.jpg Check it out].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You are right. I didn't think that was a bridge, just a girder. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 12:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 5th Cylon ==<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;“Is Number Three honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the Fleet? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> Perhaps the 5th is already on the Basestar? [[User:Nerull|Nerull]] 13:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Were there any other major characters except Baltar and Roslin? Roslin is pretty much ruled out by the joke Five made. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 13:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : Karl Agathon was still on the baseship, but he's human, as far as we know. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Yes, this is weird. Are there any major characters anywhere else? I mean, there are three Cylon models + Boomer in the Cylon fleet but they're not exactly good candidates. Did we leave someone behind somewhere? Surely, the final Cylon isn't dead. It has to be a major character. I guess it has to be one of Helo/Roslin/Baltar. I think that Roslin would be the most likely of those. The 3's question could have been meant in earnest. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm stretching this, but the five are supposed to find the way to earth. Chief, Sam and Tigh find the Viper (this could also make Starbuck a Cylon) and Roslin gives the final go for jump. There is a problem with Tory, she does nothing. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 14:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Tory can't do anything because the call summons her to ''Galactica'', where Starbuck's Viper is. Obviously, she's disconnected from the rest of the Four, so she has the adverse reaction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What about Hera? D'anna was only &quot;interested&quot; in the four, and that way opened the door for another less important (for now) cylon......<br /> <br /> My thoughts were, D'anna says four are in the fleet. She also freaks out and apologizes to what is presumably the fifth cylon in her vision in a way that suggests it's personal. What if the fifth cylon is someone in the fleet who was killed either by her or the cylons as a group that she then recognized? Any people who were previously killed off by D'anna or the cylons in general that could fill that slot? I wanted to say Ellen Tigh, but Baltar did the test on her and if she'd come up positive he wouldn't be wondering who the fifth is like everyone else. --[[User:Ssiixx|Ssiixx]] 23:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Though this would be an anti climax I assume that the fifth final five is none of the caracters we already now. I think he is located on earth, maybe waiting in some bunker or whatever. He could also be on his own ship, not too far away from the cylons and humans, watching. <br /> Since there is a lot more to explain about the time that passed from the end of the cylon war to their reappearing, I assume that the last cylon is also the link between the twelve human cylon models and the rest of the cylon race. Even if he IS the rest. [[User:Lincore|Lincore]] 02:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :From a narrative perspective, it is improbable that D'Anna was being absurdly literal, excluding a character who happened to be on the basestar at the moment she said &quot;There are four in your fleet.&quot; Since her goal was to get the final five to the basestar, it would make little sense for her to ignore one that was already there.<br /> :I think the living human characters are fairly effectively ruled out, but that doesn't necessarily entail an anti-climactic revelation to come. On the contrary, revealing Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, Roslin, or Baltar to be a Cylon is exactly what is expected, and this is a show which is built on defying expectations. What is needed to create a suitable climax for the series as a whole is not simply a revelation of the sort, &quot;____ was a Cylon all along!&quot; Instead, it needs to be a revelation that lays bare the show's mythology, that explains what happened three thousand years ago and why all of this seems to have been manipulated into occurring today. To fulfill that function a non-central character that played a crucial role in the past actually works better.<br /> :Of course, it could all be foilers, and it could just be Roslin.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 19:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Earth - Speculation ==<br /> <br /> Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, according to the hybrid. She is also the only character we know has been to Earth. What if she triggered a series of events that led to the destruction of the 13th tribe? She probably isn't the 5th, but she's something else. I think she's playing the character of Krishna for those of you who've read Bhagavad Gita, but at the same time her connections to the arrow of Apollo make me think she might be Arjuna. In either case, her counterpart would be the 5th.<br /> <br /> What is hard to explain is her viper. How does it explode visibly and then come back in mint condition in the nebula? Vipers don't have FTL either, so everything seems weird.<br /> <br /> * International Space Station and satellites probably wouldn't be affected by nuclear war<br /> * They can't all be dead - there's got to be somebody alive from the 13th tribe.<br /> * New York, sure, but who would waste a nuke on New Jersey? (*grin*)<br /> <br /> --[[User:Smari|Smari]] 14:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ISS and other spacecraft in low-earth orbit will see their orbits decay within a decade (or even less) due to atmospheric drag without periodic reboosts (the demise of Skylab in 1979 is a perfect example of this). Even satellites in pretty high Earth orbit will fall back to Earth within a few hundred years - assuming that a significantly long time has elapsed since whatever happened on Earth, the only stuff left in orbit will be stuff out at the Clarke (geosynchronous) orbit. <br /> <br /> --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Perhaps, but not much time has passed in the fleet, yet the plants growing on the ruins suggest the event was a long time ago. However, there was a time discrepancy associated with Kara's previous visit.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> The article states that &quot;[...] the series is set in the future and not the past [...].&quot; This is not necessarily true. That - what was his name again - hybrid in razor said, that this happens &quot;again, again, again...&quot;, so I came to the conclusion, that this might as well be our past. Maybe next time, it goes the other way round and people are escaping from earth after it was nuked by cylons or - whatever is next in line - and the human race is looking for an ancient world called... caprica for instance. This would make the Galactica Noah's Ark. Just my two cents... [[User:Lincore|Lincore]] 01:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Locating Earth based on just a bearing ==<br /> <br /> There's a comment made in the main article stating that making a precision jump based solely on a bearing seems unlikely. It doesn't seem to me like this would necessarily be the case. Based on the bearing, Galactica should be able to scan in that direction, looking for solar systems. From there, they could scan for inhabitable planets. Assuming they truly are in our solar system, that narrows it down to one planet. We know that Colonial FTLs are capable of some extremely precise jumps, so jumping into orbit doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.<br /> <br /> The part that seems unlikely to me is that the fleet has been haphazardly stumbling around all this time jumping from point to point, several hundred jumps from the 12 Colonies. Now the Fleet is within jump range of Earth, without even knowing exactly where they were going.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 16:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think the Fleet jumped from their position to Earth in one jump. Getting to Earth probably took many jumps, which is what Lee meant when he said his course would have to be corrected as they went. The writers just skipped all these intermediate jumps and cut straight ahead to the final one. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 22:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Even given that, it would be more believable to jump somewhere into the solar system rather than directly into orbit on the final jump. That's really just dramatic license. However, as said above, it makes sense that they would use astronomical readings to determine the location of star systems in the direction. But, it wouldn't be the usual generic, faster-than-light sci-fi scans. BSG's stellar navigation is mostly more in line with real astronomy, i.e. using passive readings -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::In watching the episode again, it looks like they very well might be inside the Sol System for their final jump, presumably to save time/fuel instead of slogging their away across the system at sublight. The last establishing shot of the fleet before the final jump shows a yellow star, fairly close. This is presumably our Sun. Plus, I have to say I disagree on the method of stellar navigation. For general in-system navigation and plotting, passive systems would make sense, but for FTL jumps (which have been indicated to be many light-years long), sci-fi faster-than-light scans would almost be necessary. Otherwise they'd be jumping into a region of space based on a scan that is many months or even years old. It would be like mounting an FTL drive on my car, and jumping into the middle of a busy freeway based on a picture I took a couple weeks ago - I could very well jump into the middle of another car, jump into a location that no longer exists, etc. --[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 06:09, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Better sure, but such magical technology simply doesn't exist. And all serious works of sci-fi deal a bit with the lightspeed information lag. True, BSG makes jumps next to planetary bodies and especially ships way too easy sometimes, but now and then, it's also pointed out how dangerous such jumps are. And that whole thing is the reason behind the term [[Red Line]]. A limit behind which jumps can't be plotted (e.g. stellar movement extrapolated from known data) accurately enough to have a certain margin of error. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:54, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::The Universe is a very big and empty place... Using normal tools they indeed see outdated images, the way things were months maybe years before... But the movement of stars and planets can be easily observed and predicted accurately enough to jump in space and not inside a star or planet. Remember, they don't have to jump directly into orbit around Earth, probably not even in the solar system, just close enough to get a closer look and get more accurate coordinates... -- [[User:Evilforce|Evilforce]] 11:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::I'm not just talking about the episode specifically, but the series in general. For planets that surely works. That's what I meant above. But they also jump extremely close to ships without problems. And their movement couldn't be predicted. That part is unrealistic. But never mind; it's pretty pointless to discuss this at such length. We kinda agree anyways :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::About jumping close to ships: I've got a little theory about that which I brought up in some long forgotten thread at Battlestar Forum: distance between ships is preserved through a jump. By this, I mean that the distance between e.g. ''Galactica'' and ''Colonial One'' after the jump will be equal to the one before it, because they made the exact same jump. For the same reason, you should be able to jump close to or even in the middle of the Fleet, provided you jumped away from that same spot. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 13:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is it Earth at all? ==<br /> Is the planet actually Earth? No recognisable land masses are visible from orbit, unlike in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;. The ruins look vaguely like Brooklyn and the Temple of Aurora, but it's inconclusive. The only thing conclusive is the star patterns match. Perhaps this is another pointer along the way. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :The scriptures say the dying leader wasn't supposed to survive to see their new home, although that's making two assumptions - that the dying leader is Roslin and the new home is the planet. --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 23:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::&quot;Inductive reasoning is the death of philosophy&quot;. You can never prove anything definitively based on observed evidence, but I'd be willing to bet my house (if I owned one) on that being Earth. Aside from the many, many on-screen things, it would be a huge slap in the face to viewers if this was just [[Terra]] or something. Consider that the writers have set up this exquisite concept that in the near future civilisation is destroyed, only for it to be revealed that this is just some arbitrary planet. (Plus a few spoilers for episodes ahead do say this is Earth). Sometimes a spade is just a desolute, lifeless and radioactive spade. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::The discussion about the lack of recognisable land masses made me realise something - there's no sign of the Moon. I thing the writers have been very clever hiding any definitive traces that this is indeed Earth - there are after all 3 other Sun-like stars nearby to us, and the Fleet may be elsewhere. If we saw a recognisable land form or Luna herself, there would be no doubt - but an interesting door has been left open, I think. [[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 13:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's curious, but the destroyed city is clearly New York. And you don't necessarily see the moon even in a wide shot of space. That depends on the direction of the view. Besides, there are only 10 episodes left. There isn't really much point in such an elaborate deception when there are other story and character arcs to tie up. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Maybe it's clearly NYC to you, but only vaguely to me. But there's also the possibility they added so much cloud to keep the condition of the surface hidden until the revealing moment, and to have enough debris in the atmosphere for consistency with a nuclear winter. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 11:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The possible finale? ==<br /> Back before the season started and during the Writer's Strike, Sackhoff made a comment that the last episode they'd filmed might have acted as a series finale if the strike had gone on long enough that they couldn't return to work. Now, according to the Wiki, it's the next episode that she was referring to, but I was wondering how sure we were of that. There seems to have been a lot of confusion about which episodes production people are talking about. And I feel, after watching Revelations, that it seems like a likely candidate for the episode she was talking about. Thoughts? [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I think we're pretty much certain. Sometimes a Great Notion was the last episode written before the strike and the last episode filmed before the break, and the scenes mentioned [http://roadrunnerdm.livejournal.com/84288.html here] take place after the end of Revelations. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Far fetched Jehovah's Witnesses connection? ==<br /> <br /> To summarize: The Landing party appears to be on a plot of land that is very reminiscent of Brooklyn Heights looking out over to a land mass that has a similar topography of Manhattan Island with a structure to the extreme right that looks vaguely like a wrecked Tower of the Brooklyn Bridge Meanwhile in real life in that same area they appear to be in happens to have the Watchtower Building. The word &quot;Watchtower&quot; is part of the title of a Bob Dylan song in which four Cylons heard in their heads. Is it true for a fact? I don't know, but there is evidence for it and it would be a HUGE coincidence. Oh, I almost forgot: There is also the the fact that a off-shoot branch of the Jehovah's Witnesses has the word &quot;Dawn&quot; in its name and there is supposed to be a Temple called the Temple of Aurora for the The Goddess of Dawn? Hey, it could be all wrong, but at least I have evidence for it. To be clear I am not saying that RDM is bearing direct comparison to the Colonial situation but I think he using the JW as clues of some kind.[[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 08:46, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I agree that the Watchtower connection could be notable, but the Dawn connection is going too far in my opinion. Thoughts? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 10:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Agreed. Also it's just too verbose for not adding much at all. At least it should be cut down. It's a tenuous connection to begin with and there is no reason to extrapolate so much from it. Just noting the fact should be fine. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::I agree with the cut down, however I don't agree that it is tenuous. This show is heavy with religion and deliberately so. I am NOT saying that RDM has a specific religious agenda, Jehovah's Witnesses or otherwise, he is a lapsed Catholic who is into the Eastern Asian Faiths, but it is hard to believe that the &quot;Watchtower&quot; building in real life being where the landing party is is a coincidence. It is meant as clue that it is ''really'' New York. I, as a New Yorker born, raised and lived my entire life take it as a HUGE slap-in-the-face-hint. [http://www.beliefnet.com/story/166/story_16650_1.html Anyway, here is a link to an interview on his use of religion in his version of BSG and the Mormon influences of the original.]The Watchtower building, where it is and Bob Dyan's song thing was NO accident or coincidence. And I don't think the Dawn thing between the Greek Goddess and the Jehovah's Witnesses faction is either although I admit there is much less objective evidence for it. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 04:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::It's clearly supposed to be in the same place as New York, but the timeframe of the series has not yet been established. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::My 2 cents is that, unless we see further JW links, this is probably a coincidence. It may be of note to say what currently stands on the bank where the crew are though. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 09:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Like I said earlier, the Watchtower note is not disputed. Regardless of whether it's deliberate, it deserves to be noted on this page. The JW/Aurora connection is much weaker, and I agree with OTW that unless more references to the Jehova's Witnesses pop up, it's too weak to be noted. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 10:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::To be clear again, I am not saying there is an actual JW/Cylon connection or RDM having an agenda. I think it is a clue as to where they are in New York if they are in New York. In a show that is heavily religously themed; to have a Bob Dyan Song with the word &quot;Watchtower&quot; in it and then show the Landing Party what could be an area around the East Tower of the Brooklyn Bridge which happens to be in the area where the Religous sect owned Watchtower building is in real life is VERY suspicious to me as a New Yorker, as to show that it is New York City. If it is a coincidence it is a '''''HUGE''''' one, a struck-by-lighting-three-days-in-a-row type of coincidence. 10:02, 22 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> :::::As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I don't see a real connection aside from the name of our buildings; based on what I know of BG's religious inspiration, and comparing them to our beliefs, I think I can safely say that this is a surprisingly coincidence . That said, here is a footnote from our of our publications in regards to the origin of the name:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; The expression &quot;Watch Tower&quot; is no unique to Russell's writings or to Jehovah's Witnesses. George Storrs published a book in the 1850s called &lt;i&gt;The Watch Tower: Or, Man in Death; and the Hope for a Future Life.&lt;/i&gt; The name was also incorporated in the title of various religious periodicals. It stems from the idea of keeping on the watch for the outworking of God's purposes - Isa 21:8,11,12; Ezek 3:17; Hab 2:1 - Jehovah's Witnesses, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, page 48. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; Take that as you will. As for me, I may just stop by here every once in a while and giggle. :D -- [[User:Ibmjones|Ibmjones]]<br /> <br /> == Pardon? ==<br /> <br /> I don't recall any pardon Lee Adama issued, and I couldn't find the word &quot;pardon&quot; in his article or in the episode guides for the episodes in which he was President. Am I missing something?<br /> *It is not mentioned whether or not Lee Adama's pardon means the Final Four Cylons will, or can, remain in the Colonial military in crucial positions.<br /> --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 18:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :He gives them an &quot;amnesty&quot; - &quot;free to go, free to stay&quot;. It's right after he announces that he hands all the information over to the Cylon rebels, when they stand around Starbuck's Viper. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Right, now I remember. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 19:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> The question of the pardon, and whether it extended to Caprica-Six, is answered here: http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/06/18/battlestar-galactica-interview-mark-verheiden-on-cylon-amnesty-and-finding-earth/?cid=9445 -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Starbuck's expression ==<br /> <br /> I just re-watched the last scene, I'm fairly sure that Kara's smirking, she's the only one in the scene who doesn't seem disappointed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:45, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : Neither does Tyrol, apparently. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 23:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Tyrol is clearly chuckling to himself; Starbuck to me looks like she has her mouth pursed as part of an overall expression of concern.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 23:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::: I don't think he was &quot;chuckling&quot; to himself out of humor, but in a cynical &quot;of course it would turn out this way...&quot; attitude. Rueful, just like when he was taken to the launch tube and he looks at Tigh and smiled because he '''knew''' Tigh gave them up. He smiled at Anders in a similar fashion because he knew that Tigh gave them up even then. On Earth Tyrol just had a non committal attitude because he is already cynical as hell probably thinking of the absurdity of the situation. Starbuck had somewhat the same attitude especially with the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; prophecy ringing in her head. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 09:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Xlynx&diff=164176 2008-06-23T10:52:57Z

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Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Revelations&diff=164175 2008-06-23T10:45:29Z

<p>Xlynx: /* Questions */ what is Caprica 6&#039;s future?</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=4x10 - Revelations - Promo 1.jpg<br /> | title= Revelations<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 10<br /> | forumthread= 1300<br /> | extra=Mid-Season Cliffhanger<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] &lt;br/&gt;<br /> [[David Weddle]] <br /> | story=<br /> | director=[[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=412<br /> | rating=1.8<br /> | US airdate=13 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate=13 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=17 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39673<br /> | population=39665<br /> | prev= [[The Hub]]<br /> | next= [[Sometimes a Great Notion]]<br /> | imdb=0993911<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Led by [[Number Three]], the band of rebel Cylons hold President Roslin and ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; pilots hostage while attempting to lure the &quot;Watchtower Four&quot; out of hiding. Meanwhile, [[Kara Thrace]]'s Viper may hold a previously undiscovered clue to finding [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> <br /> *[[Lee Adama]] is in [[William Adama|William Adama's]] quarters, looking up an illustration of the Temple of [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] on Earth, as described by [[Pythia]]. [[Kara Thrace]] walks in an greets him, and they briefly discuss the temple, and the absence of William Adama and [[Laura Roslin]]. Lee comments on how both he and Tigh are intimidated by Adama's chair. Thrace talks about how [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] stated that, for children to reach their full potential, their parents have to die.<br /> *In the [[Basestar command|basestar control room]], Roslin, William Adama, [[D'Anna Biers]] and Leoben discuss the plans to return the [[Final Five]]. Biers mentions that there are only four in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] and refuses to provide answers when Roslin questions her about the fifth's location. When Adama asks for their names, she expresses skepticism, suggesting that the Colonials may kill them. Roslin points out that the Colonials need them because they know the way to Earth, while Leoben recommends co-operation and D'Anna refutes him, citing the [[Exodus, Part II|failure]] of [[Occupation|co-operation]] on [[New Caprica]].<br /> *Biers announces that she will hold the Colonials on the ship hostage until the Final Four are safely aboard the basestar. When a standoff between the Colonials and the Centurions ensues, Roslin tells Adama to stand down and he repeats the order to the other pilots. Three tells Adama to accompany her to ''[[Galactica]]'' on a Raptor. He initially refuses, but Roslin tells him to go. She embraces him and whispers in his ear that if the Cylons get the four, they get [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and he can't allow that to happen, even if he has to destroy the basestar with them aboard.<br /> *In [[CIC]], [[Felix Gaeta]] - having returned to duty despite still having problems with his [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner|amputated leg]] - accidentally knocks over a bottle of pills. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] helps him by picking up the pill bottle. Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] asks Gaeta if he wishes to be relieved, but he declines and takes a drink to numb the pain.<br /> *Gaeta then announces the arrival of the rebel baseship and that a Raptor launched from it. On the [[hangar deck]], Adama and Three step out of the Raptor. [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] look on from the catwalk, wondering whether Three can or will identify them. While William Adama greets his son, Three steps off the Raptor and looks at each of the Final Four.<br /> *William Adama and Biers explain the situation. Biers claims that she is already in contact with the four, that they would come to her willingly and that all the Fleet needs to do is not interfere with shuttle traffic. The Adamas agree to her terms. As Three is about to leave, [[Tory Foster]] steps forward, asking to bring Roslin her medication and see if she is alright. Knowing that she wants to defect, Tigh tries to prevent her from going by saying that they shouldn't give the Cylons more hostages, but he is overruled by the Adamas.<br /> *In the Adama's quarters, William and Lee Adama, Tigh and Thrace discuss a plan to rescue the hostages. The admiral mentions Roslin's recommendation, but tells his son that it is his call. President Adama agrees.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *In the [[Situation Room]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and Kara Thrace officially present their rescue plan. Tigh expresses skepticism at the expected high losses of boarding the basestar, saying there have to be other options. Thrace sarcastically comments that the four could just give themselves up.<br /> *On the basestar, Foster is led to the control room. Three announces that one of the Final Five has arrived. [[Number Two|Leoben]] expresses doubt, but Three attests that she saw her in her vision. Foster smiles as the Cylons gather around her in amazement.<br /> *In another room, Roslin bandages [[Gaius Baltar]], who thanks her for not killing him, but Roslin confesses that she told Adama to destroy the basestar should the Cylons get the four. Foster walks in with a [[Number Six|Six]], greeting them and bringing Roslin her medication. Roslin thanks her, and asks how she was able to do so, and Foster says that she came with Three to be with her people. Baltar attests that he subconsciously knew, that she was one of the Final Five. When asked if she had any idea, Roslin says no, and Foster tells her it might be worth pondering other things she has been wrong about, then starts to walk out. Roslin tells her to stop, and asks her to convince Three to release the hostages. Foster coldly replies that she's done taking orders from her.<br /> *A body flies out of the baseship. In CIC, Lee Adama receives a transmission from Three, who announces that there has been a change of plans. She has executed the first hostage and will continue to execute hostages every quarter hour until they have the four. Adama tries to reason with her, telling her that she did not giving them a chance and that they are co-operating, but Dualla states that Three has terminated the transmission. As a result, Adama authorizes the rescue mission and to destroy the baseship should it fail<br /> *On the hangar deck, as the pilots and deck crew prepare for the mission, Tyrol begins hearing the [[The Music|strange music]] again, heavily distorted by screeching and static. In a [[pilot ready rooms|pilot ready room]], as Starbuck and Athena brief the pilots, Anders likewise hears the music, as does Foster on the basestar.<br /> *On ''Galactica'' Anders, Tigh and Tyrol are drawn to [[Starbuck's Viper]]. Tyrol suggests that something about the Viper has changed, and Anders suggests they get Starbuck. Tigh agrees, then walks out.<br /> *Tigh walks into William Adama's office, telling him to scrub the mission. When asked if he has another option instead, Tigh confesses that he has known that he is a Cylon since the [[Ionian nebula]]. Adama expresses doubt and can't believe that his decade-long friend could by a Cylon. He suggests that Tigh could have been brainwashed on [[New Caprica]] and says they should see Doctor [[Cottle]]. Tigh says that he should have killed himself when he found out and suggests that Three will back down if he is used as a hostage.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> <br /> *As [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] escort Tigh through the hallways, William Adama suffers a nervous breakdown. He rampages through his office, smashes his fist into a mirror and drinks heavily. As Adama cries, his son finds him and tries to comfort him. Adama says that he can't kill Tigh and Lee tells him that he will handle it.<br /> *In a [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]], Lee Adama interrogates Tigh, demanding to know who the other Cylons are. From the control room, [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] announces that D'Anna Biers is on the line. Adama threatens to kill Tigh if she harms one of the hostages, and says that she has ten minutes before he kills him. From Tigh he again demands the identities of the rest of the Final Four in order to save the Fleet.<br /> *Around [[Starbuck's Viper]], Thrace expresses doubt about Anders and Tyrol's suspicion regarding the Viper. Marines come in and arrest Anders and Tyrol. When Thrace asks what's going on, Sergeant [[Brandy Harder|Harder]] replies that they are Cylons. Shocked, Thrace questions Anders, who confirms that it is true. As he is dragged away, Anders insists that something is different about the Viper.<br /> *On the basestar, an [[Number Eight|Eight]] and two [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] force the captured pilots down a hallway. [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] tells the pilots to fall back, and the Eight threatens to shoot them if they don't keep moving.<br /> *Anders and Tyrol are brought into the launch tube to join Tigh. Lee Adama orders Dualla to get the baseship on the line again.<br /> *On the hangar deck, Thrace climbs into her Viper's cockpit.<br /> *On the baseship, Roslin and Baltar hear the hostages and Centurions. A [[Number Two|Two]] walks in and Roslin asks what's going on. The Two says that Three is about to start executing more hostages. When Roslin requests that she be taken to Three, Baltar insists that she won't listen to her, and that he be taken instead, because he was with her when she had the vision in the [[Temple of Five]]. Roslin agrees.<br /> *Lee Adama tells Three that he has Anders and Tyrol in the airlock, and demands that she stand down.<br /> *Thrace begins activating her Viper's systems.<br /> *Tory Foster tells Three that she knows Adama and that he will back down if pressure. Three orders to target nuclear weapons on the civilian fleet when Baltar walks in and begins begins talking to her.<br /> *Thrace continues activating her electronics and suddenly detects a signal with one instrument.<br /> *Baltar argues that coercion won't work with Lee Adama because he is too similar to his father, while Foster argues that he is bluffing.<br /> *Dualla tells Adama that the baseship's nuclear missiles have gone hot. Both conclude that the Fleet couldn't spool up their [[FTL|jump drives]] quickly enough to escape before the Cylons fire. Adama orders that everyone except Tigh be removed from the tube.<br /> *On the basestar, Baltar suggests that [[God (RDM)|God]] may have brought Three back for a different purpose, to end the conflict peacefully. She argues that the Colonials will never forgive the Cylons for [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|what they did to the Twelve Colonies]], and gives the order to proceed.<br /> *As the launch tube door closes, Thrace runs through the ship.<br /> *Baltar argues to Three that brute force did not work for the Cylons on [[New Caprica]] or the [[algae planet]], and that it will not work now.<br /> *Adama asks Dualla for the key and begins the process of de-pressurizing the launch tube.<br /> *An Eight announces that they have weapons lock on the Colonial ships.<br /> *Tigh tells Adama to stop hesitating and flush the airlock. As Adama is about to push the button, Thrace runs in, telling Adama to stop. She says that the Cylons just gave them [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> <br /> *Lee Adama sits in Starbuck's Viper, recognizing a Colonial emergency locator signal, and notes that no other [[wireless]] in the Fleet is picking it up. Thrace argues to a skeptical Adama that it must be a signal from Earth, insisting that some higher power is orchestrating events for a purpose and wants the Colonials to find Earth with the Cylons.<br /> *Thrace, Lee Adama, the Final Four, Number Three, Marines and Centurions stand around the Viper and an Eight sits inside. They discuss the signal. Adama says that he decided to share the information with the Cylons rather than jump away, because it would only lead to another confrontation down the road. He argues that peace is possible and says that he has granted the Final Four an amnesty. Three agrees to release the hostages.<br /> *Adama shows his father the location of Earth, asking for orders. Roslin walks in and says she wants to see him pick up the first fistful of earth. He walks away saying that he'll be back. Lee Adama talks to Roslin about stepping down, and she praises him on resolving the crisis, saying the Fleet will need that kind of leadership in the years to come.<br /> *Admiral Adama returns in uniform, saying they should find Earth. His son says that he has been working on a recon mission with Thrace. Admiral Adama replies that everyone should go together, that they don't have anywhere else to go, and that the alliance will fall apart if they hesitate too long. In his view, they need to [[List of terms (RDM)#hard six|roll the hard six]].<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> <br /> *In the CIC, Dualla announces that the Fleet is ready to jump. Admiral Adama tells Roslin that they wouldn't have made it without her and asks her to give the order. She does so. Dualla counts down and the Fleet jumps. <br /> *The entire Fleet - now including the rebel basestar - successfully jumps. Adama tells Gaeta to take his time with confirming their location. After some seconds, Gaeta announces that the [[Tomb of Athena|constellations]] match. The Fleet has jumped into orbit of a blue/white planet - Earth.<br /> *Adama makes a speech to the whole Fleet, announcing that they have arrived at Earth. All over ''Galactica'' and throughout the Fleet people rejoice ecstatically.<br /> *A detachment of Vipers, [[Raptors]], [[Heavy Raider]]s, [[Cylon freighter (RDM)|Cylon freighters]], as well as several civilian ships fly towards the surface.<br /> *On Earth, Adama lifts up a handful of soil. Someone next to him reads the dirt with a [[w:Geiger counter|Geiger counter]]. The soil is irradiated. Laura Roslin stands next to Adama, disappointed. Number Three is stunned.<br /> *Many others, including [[Karl Agathon|Karl]] and [[Sharon Agathon]], Gaius Baltar, Lee Adama, Kara Thrace, the Final Four, and the Cylons are on the surface as well, walking and standing around on a riverbank near the ruins of a city, which was apparently destroyed. The mood is dismal, with everyone probably wondering what happened to Earth and what they will do next.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> <br /> * This episode is the mid-season cliffhanger for the first ten episodes of [[Season 4 (2008-09)|Season 4]]. The conclusion to the cliffhanger, &quot;[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]&quot;, will not air until 2009.<br /> * The episode was given an advance screening in Los Angeles on Wednesday, June 11th, in order to draw attention for the upcoming Emmy Award nominations. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html|title='Battlestar Galactica' Hosting Free Screening In L.A.}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * As D'Anna Biers executes one prisoner during the course of the episode, the population of the Fleet when it arrives at Earth is 39,664, not counting the four Significant Seven Cylons who have now joined them.<br /> * The page from the [[Book of Pythia]] depicting the Temple of Aurora is the same two page spread used to represent the [[City of the Gods]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] from &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Analysis == <br /> <br /> === General ===<br /> <br /> * When Thrace says to Lee Adama (while he is looking at the drawing of the Temple of Aurora) &quot;We'll get there, and walk those halls together&quot;, Adama says &quot;Yeah, pretty to think so.&quot; This could be a reference to the last line of Ernest Hemingway's ''[[w:The Sun Also Rises|The Sun Also Rises]]'' when Jake Barnes says &quot;Yeah, isn't it pretty to think so?&quot; about the idea that he and Brett Ashley could have been in love.<br /> *There is one flaw in Three's hostage plan: It is not explained how she believes the Final Four would be able to make it onto her basestar without being detained first by the Colonials. One of them could always be taken as a hostage by the Colonials as a counter-move.<br /> <br /> === Characters ===<br /> <br /> * D'Anna Biers holding the Colonial personnel hostage isn't aimed so much as to President Adama and the government, as it is to the remaining three of the Final Four who choose to remain behind. When Foster moves to defect under the guise of giving Roslin her medicine, Colonel Tigh speaks up to prevent her from going. This earns Tigh and the other two who refuse to come forward Biers's enmity and she begins killing their crew mates until they join the Cylons.<br /> *Roslin's plan to hold Number Three and her knowledge to herself is shown to have already failed at the start of this episode. Three has already made it clear she will not co-operate and is walking freely around the basestar. The plan was never likely to succeed given that the Colonials on the rebel basestar are totally outnumbered and cut off from the Fleet. In fact, Roslin and Adama's decision to double cross the Cylons ([[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]) may well have precipitated the entire hostage crisis, as the rebels decided to return to their original plan only after learning that the Colonials have no intention of turning over the Final Five.<br /> * [[Tory Foster]] actively advises Number Three in her test of wills with Lee Adama, pressing for more aggressive tactics. She appears to be combining embracing her Cylon nature with misanthropy.<br /> * [[Sharon Agathon]] appears to have been released from the [[brig]] despite her shooting of [[Natalie]], although there is no explicit onscreen explanation given for this. Her involvement in planning the rescue mission could be part of her parole, or it is possible Roslin confirmed to Admiral Adama that they have been experiencing and sharing powerful visions that have affected their behavior. Curiously, this is not the first time that the Agathons have escaped severe punishment for potentially mutinous actions.<br /> * The Six walking up to Saul Tigh on Earth appears to be [[Caprica-Six]]. This indicates that Adama's general amnesty extends to her as well and that she is free to join the Cylon rebels on their baseship; a fact that is confirmed by [[Mark Verheiden]] in [http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/06/18/battlestar-galactica-interview-mark-verheiden-on-cylon-amnesty-and-finding-earth/?cid=9445 this] interview.<br /> <br /> === Earth ===<br /> <br /> * One of the first visual cues that [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] lacks a widespread, technologically advanced civilization comes in the establishing shots of the planet when the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] arrives in orbit. The night side of the planet is steeped in total darkness, whereas the city lights of an inhabited planet with an industrialized civilization would be clearly visible on its night side, as seen in this [http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/image/earth_night.jpg composite satellite photograph] of the Earth at night.<br /> * How Earth came to the state which the Fleet finds it in is uncertain. Given that the landing party tests the soil with a [[wikipedia:Geiger counter|Geiger counter]], and the ruins they come across appear to be from a nuclear blast, it is likely that some nuclear event occurred on Earth. Together with the clear remnants of a modern civilization, this means that the series is set in the future and not the past (barring that is is set in an alternate universe).<br /> * Assuming that a nuclear event was responsible for the current condition of Earth, it appears that it happened a considerable number of years, if not decades or hundreds of years, ago. Less than a week after the Cylon bombardment, the planet [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] had turned yellowish-brown from dust blasted into the atmosphere, creating a [[w:nuclear winter|nuclear winter]] ([[33]]). Nine months later, someone on Caprica would have still seen yellow skies ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). Although the soil of Earth at the landing site is radioactive, the skies are a natural foggy/cloudy gray, and the view from orbit is of a blue-white world.<br /> * The area the landing party arrives at appears to be the [[Wikipedia:Brooklyn|Brooklyn]] side of [[w:New York City|New York City]]. The landing party is next to a broad river and across that river to the left is a wide bay. The other shore appears to be the edge of Lower Manhattan with a destroyed skyline of buildings. The camera pans to the right over what is ostensibly the [[w:East River|East River]] until the last two seconds of the episode, where at the far right edge of the screen stands a wrecked structure with which appears to be a heavily abbreviated roadway. It appears to be the East Tower (Brooklyn side) of the [[w:Brooklyn Bridge|Brooklyn Bridge]]. However, it should be noted that the information on this is incomplete. For instance, many speculations as to the gas giant that [[Kara Thrace]] sees in her journey from Earth (as first explained in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;) claimed that the giant was [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]], when this was [[Faith|later disproved]].<br /> **In what may be a coincidence, not far from the Eastern approaches to the real-life Brooklyn Bridge in [[Wikipedia:Brooklyn, New York|Brooklyn, New York]] and close to the northern shore of the [[w:borough|borough]], there is a building owned by the [[Wikipedia:The Jehovah's Witnesses|Jehovah's Witnesses]]. It is called &quot;[http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/txt/sedewts.jpg The Watchtower]&quot;. The relevance is that the song that the Final Four heard is actually ''[[Wikipedia:All Along the Watchtower|All Along the Watchtower]]'' by Bob Dylan. Further, the building is [http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&amp;q=watchtower&amp;near=Brooklyn,+NY&amp;fb=1&amp;t=h&amp;ll=40.702879,-73.994551&amp;spn=0.003221,0.00559&amp;z=17 situated very near if not the exact place] the landing party stands at.<br /> * The landing area actually appears to be the Temple of [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]], thus bookending the episode. When the episode begins, [[Lee Adama]] is looking up an illustration of the Temple in [[Pythia]]'s book. It shows a dome structure near a body of water. As the episode closes on Earth, the landing party appears to be at the ruins of a domed structure by a body of water, as described by the illustration.<br /> * Throughout this episode, Earth when seen from orbit is largely obscured by cloud masses and shadows. Unlike the view of the North American continent presented at the end of &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;, none of the landmasses in view can be easily identified.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> <br /> * Which pilot did [[Number Three]] airlock?<br /> * Is [[Number Three]] honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the [[Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?<br /> * What happened to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]?<br /> * What condition is the rest of Earth in?<br /> * Will the other Cylons find the Fleet and the rebels, as well as Earth? If so, will they finish [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|what they]] [[Cylon Civil War|started]]?<br /> * Does the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] still exist? If so, where are they now?<br /> * Is Pythia's book literally accurate history or metaphors for real historical events places and things or totally false?<br /> * Will the Colonials and their Cylon allies settle on Earth, or will they move on in hopes of finding a more suitable planet?<br /> * Will Tigh, Anders, and Tyrol continue their duties on ''Galactica'' despite having been exposed as Cylons?<br /> * Now that his brief presidency has come to an end, will Lee Adama resume his duties on the Quorum? If not, what will his new role be?<br /> * What year is on Earth?<br /> * Will Caprica Six join the rebels or pursue further relations with Baltar or Tigh?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> *''[[Jane Espenson]] about the writing and her reaction to it:''<br /> :&quot;Holy cow, I love this episode beyond the saying of it, and 'thank you' to the fans who have been going out of their way to tell all of us that, too. Adama's reaction to the reveal was stunning -- my gods -- and Starbuck-- her face said it all. A thunderclap. Simply beautiful. You wouldn't want more and you can't imagine less. I'm stating the obvious when I say that a more labored reaction would've attenuated the emotions, given the characters a chance to gather themselves before the big blow that was to come, which certainly would be a mistake. [...] I think the *real* reactions are yet to come, just like in life. The beauty of this episode is in its urgency, in the tumbling breathless slide that lands us on that grim gray unfamiliar beach&quot;<br /> <br /> :&quot;And -- oh -- that haunting devastated city there, with the massive ruined temple and our people trying to find their footing in a strange dead city I did not recognize... that image just kills me. Every time I watch this episode, I well up with hope, and it lasts right up through that handful of soil, and then the radiation counter breaks my heart all over again.&quot;<br /> <br /> :&quot;[[David Weddle|David]] and [[Bradley Thompson|Bradley]] (David Weddle and Bradley Thompson, our writers) did an excellent job throughout this rocketsled of an episode - the writing had to be so delicate, precise and emotional... and they also did such a good job doing little things like dealing with the fallout from my episode the previous week. Baltar saying he loves living is such a gem of a moment among a cascade of gems -- thanks for that, David and Brad! And then, of course, the big stuff starts happening and never ever lets up.&quot; &lt;ref name&quot;espenson&quot;&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/06/16/jane-espenson-on-battlestar-galacticas-mid-season-finale/|title=TVGuide: Jane Espenson on Battlestar Galactica's mid-season finale}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> <br /> <br /> *''[[William Adama]] has a nervous breakdown after learning that his best friend of 30 years, [[Saul Tigh]], is a Cylon, and having him arrested to be executed. [[Lee Adama|His son]] finds him and drags his father's sobbing form to a bulkhead where he cradles his father from behind.''<br /> :'''William Adama:''' [Crying, sobbing, despair...] <br /> :'''Lee Adama:''' [voice quavering]: Dad, listen... No one suspected, no one! Not with his record. Not what he did on New Caprica. His eye... What happened to his wife... Come on, let's get up. <br /> :'''William:''' What have I done? [breathlessly] All of the people I've sent to die? For what? For what?!<br /> :'''Lee:''' [quietly] For Earth...<br /> :'''William:''' [angrily]: There is no Earth. [sobs] It is a frakkin' joke! There is no Earth! [sobs] <br /> :'''Lee:''' Okay dad, listen to me... [firmer and takes his father face between his hands] Listen to me!! Pull it together!!<br /> :'''William:''' I can't...<br /> :'''Lee''' [frustrated]: Yes, you can! Come on!<br /> :'''William:''' I can't...<br /> :'''Lee:''' [frustrated] Yes, you ca...<br /> :'''William:''' I can't... I can't kill him... I can't kill the bastard! I can't...<br /> :'''Lee:''' Okay, okay, dad. [he cradles his father's face]<br /> :'''William:''' I can't...<br /> :'''Lee:''' It's... It's gonna be okay... It's gonna be okay... I'll... I'll take care of it. I'll take care of it [kisses his father's forehead].<br /> <br /> *''[[Tory Foster]] to [[Laura Roslin]] after confessing that she is a Cylon:''<br /> :'''Foster:''' You had no idea, did you?<br /> :'''Roslin:''' No.<br /> :'''Foster:''' Might be worth pondering what else you've been wrong about.<br /> <br /> *''Upon confirmation of their position in orbit of Earth, [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] makes an announcement to the Fleet:''<br /> :&quot;Crew of ''Galactica''. People of the fleet. This is Admiral Adama. Three years ago I promised to lead you to a new home. We've endured a difficult journey, we've all lost, we've all suffered, and the truth is I questioned whether this day would ever come. But today our journey is at an end. We have arrived, at Earth.&quot;<br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin observes the vacant ruins on Earth:''<br /> :&quot;Earth...&quot;<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]<br /> * [[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]<br /> * [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]<br /> * [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]]<br /> * [[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br /> * [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hot Dog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as &quot;Baby Nicky&quot;)<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<br /> * [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]]<br /> * [[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Vincent Gale]] as [[Peter Laird]]<br /> * [[Don Thompson]] as Specialist [[Anthony Figurski]]<br /> * [[Sonja Bennett]] as Specialist [[Marcie Brasko]]<br /> * [[Barry Nerling]] as [[Unnamed Galactica and Pegasus crew (RDM)#Adama's Corporal|Adama's Corporal]]<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=396]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}} <br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes_written_by_Bradley_Thompson]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes_written_by_David_Weddle]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:Revelations]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Humanoid_Cylon_speculation&diff=163745 2008-06-17T12:12:33Z

<p>Xlynx: /* General factors for consideration */ the boxing is now irrelevant</p> <hr /> <div>{{plausible speculation}}<br /> The [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons']] transformation into twelve distinct [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid forms]] introduces serious problems for the remnant of humanity known as the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to identify Cylon operative from human. At the beginning of their journey it seemed that anyone could be a humanoid Cylon, causing doubt and suspicion within the human populace (as evidenced in &quot;[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]&quot;).<br /> <br /> In the real world speculation about who could be a Cylon infiltrator in the Fleet has also been rife among fans of the show. Over the course of the miniseries and the first two seasons viewers were introduced to the &quot;[[Significant Seven]]&quot;, however the natures of each of these characters were all revealed shortly after the characters' introductions.<br /> <br /> In season three the nature of speculation for both the characters and the fans turned to the [[Final Five]], enigmatic, almost-mystical figures who seemed to have a [[The Temple of Five|link]] to ancient Colonial history. The nature of the five, according to [[Ron D. Moore|Moore]], is &quot;fundamentally different&quot; from the other seven models&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=ffdifferent|timestamp=19:05|totalrunning=78:27}}&lt;/ref&gt;. <br /> <br /> At the conclusion of &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot; four recurring characters are revealed to be Cylons. The revelation that long standing characters such as Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] were Cylons blew the field wide open, if they could be &quot;[[toaster]]s,&quot; then ''anyone'' could be the last Cylon. In particular, Tigh has a long and well-documented character history dating back to the first [[Cylon War]].<br /> <br /> This article details [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad#Derived content|plausible speculation]] on which of the central and supporting characters in ''[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' could be the final one.<br /> <br /> ==Clues from Official Sources==<br /> During a Q&amp;A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is&lt;ref&gt;[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&amp;st=0&amp;p=3041263&amp;#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> [[Bradley Thompson]] was asked when the writers knew the identity of the final five:<br /> :&quot;Four of the five were recent. If memory serves, the fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive8#Identity of the Final Five|BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==General factors for consideration==<br /> In terms of narrative, to prevent an anti-climax it seems likely that the final Cylon would probably need to be a more prominent character than those of the Four. This centers the spotlight in the central &quot;human&quot; characters ([[Roslin]], [[William Adama|William]] and [[Lee Adama]], [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]). However, there is still an entire season for characters to develop and gain significance with viewers.<br /> <br /> With the Final Five being &quot;fundamentally different&quot; from the Seven, extrapolating any characteristics we learned of Cylons from the Seven (including physiology, loyalty or self-awareness) is of questionable validity. <br /> <br /> Colonel Tigh has a well documented history stretching back at least to the first Cylon War. Also considering the [[Temple of Five]] it seems Final Five Cylons somehow significantly pre-date the Seven.<br /> <br /> It has been seen that Cylons can start families, however it is unclear how the Five came to exist. Having known natural parents would ''seem'' to preclude one being any more than half-Cylon.<br /> <br /> Of the 11 so far there have been only four female models. The final Cylon being female would serve to equalize this gender bias.<br /> <br /> The [[first Hybrid]] gives a monologue about his knowledge of the Final Five in the extended version of &quot;[[Razor]]&quot;. It states that &quot;...the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.&quot;<br /> <br /> With the exception of [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], who are confirmed to have half-Cylon, half-human children&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=hybridnick|timestamp=22:41|totalrunning=78:27}}&lt;/ref&gt;, any &quot;human&quot; character could be a Cylon.<br /> <br /> ==Main Characters==<br /> <br /> ===[[Laura Roslin]]===<br /> [[Image:Laura_Roslin_promo.jpg|right|90px]]<br /> The colonies' president has been unquestionably a boon to humanity's search for earth, indeed the two times she has been removed from office have been the two greatest setbacks in the journey. <br /> <br /> Roslin has also experienced prophetic dreams and visions (those induced by [[chamalla]], and a dream she shared with the Cylons [[Caprica Six]] and [[Sharon Agathon]]). She fits very well the profile of the [[Sacred Scrolls|scroll's]] dying leader, the scrolls also having links to other more mystical elements of the series, including the [[Temple of Five]]. Additionally, Roslin was among those on the rebel baseship when D'Anna stated that only four of the final five were in the fleet ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> However her dying nature, from an aggressive form of breast cancer is also the biggest cause to doubt Roslin being a Cylon. It is unknown whether the Final Five can succumb to cancer, but Cylons seem to be generally tougher than humans. Baltar's cure in &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; was probably designed based on the assumption that Roslin's physiology is human.<br /> <br /> ===[[William Adama]]===<br /> [[Image:William_Adama_promo.jpg|right|90px]]<br /> If William Adama were revealed to be a Cylon, it would be one of the biggest shocks the series could produce. Overall Adama appears to epitomize a very human set of strengths and weaknesses. Nevertheless, he does experience hallucinations in the fifth [[Razor Flashback]], although he sees and hears people in his environment instead of seeing himself in a different one. The experience could also be explained by stress or other factors, however. Adama was among those on the rebel baseship when D'Anna stated that only four of the final five were in the fleet ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> The Adama family is well documented. His father, [[Joseph Adama]], was known to [[Romo Lampkin]]. The proposed spin-off ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'', will feature the history of the Adama family, including a young William. This may be difficult to square with any revelation about William Adama being a Cylon.<br /> <br /> {{spoiltext|A robotic duplicate of William Adama's sibling [[Tamara Adama]] is one of the first Cylons ([[Caprica|Caprica (series)]]). It is not implausible that William Adama could be a similar construct, although the forms of the Cylon prototypes are unknown and unlikely to be humanoid}}<br /> William Adama experiences guilt for actions he believe may have triggered the war ([[Hero]]). This could be the &quot;hungering for redemption&quot; that the [[First Hybrid]] talks about (see above).<br /> <br /> ===[[Lee Adama]]===<br /> [[Image:Lee_Adama_promo.jpg|right|90px]]<br /> Could Lee's chronic angst be partly due to guilt at his Cylon nature? Was the [[Leoben]] who said &quot;Adama's a Cylon&quot; ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]) referring to Lee? (note: the writers hadn't decided on the identity of the final Cylon at that point). He might project in &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]&quot;, although this is more likely an oxygen deprivation induced hallucination.<br /> <br /> In his defense, Lee is also a member of the well-documented Adama family. A &quot;switched at birth&quot; scenario could explain this.<br /> <br /> Lee is characterised by near chronic angst for various reasons. Could he be the one &quot;hungering for redemption&quot;?<br /> <br /> Lee is told that he is &quot;a son trying to flee his father's shadow&quot; by [[Romo Lampkin]]. This conceivably could link with the description of the final Cylon as &quot;still in shadow, drawn toward the light.&quot;<br /> <br /> Lee was in the fleet when D'Anna stated that only four of the final five were in it ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> ===[[Gaius Baltar]]===<br /> [[Image:Gaius_Baltar_promo.jpg|right|90px]]<br /> {{mainarticle|Baltar as Cylon speculation}}<br /> Baltar's vast intelligence, weak character and lack of loyalty to anyone but himself have made him ultimately humanity's (unwitting) betrayer. Baltar himself longs to be a Cylon as this would absolve himself, however comes to the conclusion that he is human after all. Baltar certainly has a lot to be guilty about, whether he has enough of a conscience to be truly &quot;hungering for redemption&quot; is questionable, however his confession to Roslin seems to indicate that this is the case ([[The Hub]]).<br /> <br /> There are good reasons to suspect Baltar. He exhibits vast intelligence that may be superhuman in nature. His [[Virtual Six]], her precognitive abilities, and the apparently projected environments they often co-experience are suspicious, as well as the fact that both Virtual Six and later the [[Hybrid]] tell him that he is &quot;chosen&quot;. Additionally, Baltar was among those on the rebel baseship when D'Anna stated that only four of the final five were in the fleet ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> In [[Caprica Six]]'s final vision in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot; she sees the hooded figures of the final five staring at her from the upper level. Baltar is standing next to her in the vision as well.<br /> <br /> ===[[Kara Thrace]]===<br /> [[Image:Kara_Thrace.jpg|right|90px]]<br /> {{seealso|The Destiny}}<br /> Kara Thrace's path towards her destiny has involved many strange, perhaps supernatural events. Whether this destiny involves her being a Cylon is a matter of speculation (indeed members of the [[Significant Seven]], who do not know who the final five are, tell Starbuck she has this destiny), but it is certain Thrace is ''something'' special. <br /> <br /> Certainly Thrace exhibits phenomenal natural skill as a pilot, and manages to learn to fly a [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] exceptionally quickly ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). From childhood, Thrace has been drawing the mandala from the [[Temple of Five]]. However she was also physically abused as a child and still carries the scars; Cylons seem to be more robust than humans and possibly may not carry such long-term injuries. The same may be said of the knee injury which put a stop to Thrace's [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] playing ambitions.<br /> <br /> Most strikingly, the ace pilot apparently dies in &quot;[[Maelstrom]]&quot; but returns ([[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrected]]?) in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;. Furthermore, not being on ''Galactica'' at the time, Thrace is the only major &quot;human&quot; character who has a reason for not reacting to the [[The Music|music]] which, to the &quot;four&quot;, reverberates around the ship. However the final Cylon may, for some reason, not have heard it, or may have ignored it.<br /> <br /> [[Katee Sackhoff]] was apparently told she is not a Cylon&lt;ref&gt;[http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8547/redeye3copyci7.jpg See this magazine cutting.]&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> {{spoilli|According to [http://roadrunnerdm.livejournal.com/84288.html this source] as of &quot;[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]&quot;, Kara Thrace believes herself to be a Cylon, whilst Katee Sackhoff believes otherwise.}}<br /> <br /> ===None of the above?===<br /> <br /> The January 2008 edition of [[w:Entertainment Weekly|Entertainment Weekly]] showcases a two-page photo of the cast for [[Season Four]] posed in a manner similar to Leonardo DaVinci's ''[[w:The Last Supper (Leonardo)|The Last Supper]]'' with an explanation of each character's pose/position provided by Ron Moore. Near the far left of the table a space is left vacant and a cup sits on the table marking the absent character's intended place. Moore tells EW that &quot;We have not yet revealed the final [unknown] Cylon.&quot; and when asked if there was a possibility that the final Cylon was indeed ''not'' seated at the table Moore notes &quot;You ferreted that out pretty slyly. I didn't really want to give that away.&quot;&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/814818.html#cutid1|title=What does this picture mean? Try to crack the 'BSG' code.|publisher=Entertainment Weekly|page=40, 41|date=January 11, 2008|accessdate=English|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt; William Adama, Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Gaius Baltar, and Kara Thrace are all present in the picture, as are [[Final Five]] Cylons Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Samuel Anders.<br /> <br /> However, the importance of this photo is seriously put to question given [[Aaron Douglas]]' comments on the photo. According to the actor, he was unsure that Moore had anything to do with the photo, given that Moore was not present for the shoot. Additionally, the photo shoot had at least six different setups and the actors had changed places during the photo shoot, thus contending that there is no hidden meaning for the photo.&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/55289.html|title=The Chief's Deck: BSG Last Supper Photo|date=8 January 2008|accessdate=9 January 2009|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Others==<br /> <br /> ===[[Tom Zarek]]===<br /> <br /> [[Image:Zarek.jpg|right|90px]]<br /> Based upon the mutterings of the Hybrid in &quot;Razor&quot;, as well as Ron Moore's claim that he has already left clues to the final Cylon, one could assume Tom Zarek is the last Cylon to be found. <br /> <br /> Tom Zarek likes to move from second-line positions, is not big on being in charge but always craving to be noticed and understood, is constantly trying to make people understand why he did the things he spent time in jail for, and has the &quot;cleanest&quot; past (no known relatives, etc.). His criminal background and political ambitions fit with someone &quot;hungering for redemption.&quot;<br /> <br /> ===[[Virtual beings]]===<br /> <br /> The virtual beings (possibly including the [[virtual Leoben]]) may actually be a single entity, the final Cylon being more spiritual than corporal. Virtual Six claims to be an angel from the Cylon God, which could be roughly correlated with the &quot;the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken&quot; from [[Pythia]]. The overall actions of these beings seem to be neither pro-Cylon or pro-human, which fits with the Final five being a third party in the dynamic of the battle.<br /> <br /> None of the other final five have shown similar characteristics to this, and there is no particular reason to suggest the final Cylon is greatly different from his or her four &quot;siblings&quot;. When Number Three sees her vision of the final five in the [[Opera House]] (a vision repeated for other characters, thus not simply in her mind) they are five humanoid figures in white robes, at least one of which is known to her.<br /> <br /> ===More Esoteric ideas===<br /> <br /> *The last Cylon is on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] or the entire population of Earth are copies of the final Cylon. In &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; the Hybrid does say that the Final Five have been to Earth.<br /> *The final Cylon is dead.<br /> *The final Cylon is a deceased character known to the audience.<br /> *[[God (RDM)|God]], or some other divine entity.<br /> *A single, somehow distinct, copy of a known Cylon.<br /> *A character to be featured in ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' such as [[Zoe Graystone]] or [[Tamara Adama]].<br /> *The final Cylon is not yet born: it is the child of Tigh and Caprica Six. This would be in line with what the First hybrid said: &quot;...the fifth is still is in shadow, drawn toward the light, hungering for redemption, that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.&quot; It is still lingering in the womb, waiting to be born.<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Final_Five/Archive_1&diff=163744 2008-06-17T11:42:25Z

<p>Xlynx: /* Proper Noun or not? */</p> <hr /> <div>== Promo Image ==<br /> <br /> I took the image into photoshop (I do minor image tweaking at my job), did everything I could to enhance it, just for fun. And I'd like to make a grandiose speculation that the Five look, well, slightly mutilated...or mutated. Botched Cylon experiments, torutred and insane minds!!! I don't know, That one &quot;fellow's&quot; hand reaching to Three looks awefully stumpy...of course it could always be some foreshortening.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 10:57, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> Yup, totally convinced they are mutilated and grotesque, their faces, albiet shrouded are just a little odd and produce strange shadow tones.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 11:17, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :It is also possible that the show is intentionally masquerading their faces to allow the show to cast anyone in these roles at a later time, rather than fixing the faces of the characters right away. In any case, any interpretations of these promo shots are too speculative to make a valid assessment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:38, 3 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> We should get rid of the main picture - we don't know for sure that they are in fact the Final Five, they may be simply a hallucation on the part of D'eanna when she resurrects/is boxed.<br /> Or perhaps the five temple priests who are not Cylons. Point is, we don't know --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:26, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> :Writer's often portray canon information through a character, in this case D'Anna. That is the same vision she always has when she dies, we've already seen a part of the scene on &quot;Hero&quot;, and it's what she's been seeing again and again. Her sketches and such are merely her representations of what she saw, this picture is what she actually saw. Anyways, even if you choose to not believe D'Anna, and even if you doubt the only logical explanation, I think David Eick confirmed that it's them she sees on a EW article. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:53, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == ID ==<br /> <br /> Looking at the high resolution picture, I can identify most of the actors in these robes. Whether they actually are the Final Five Cylons or whether this is just a dream sequence and they grabbed whoever was convenient is not clear. From the left to the right:<br /> <br /> # Aaron Douglas, better known as Chief Tyrol. The stature and facial features are a perfect match.<br /> # Tahmoh Penikett, better known as Helo. This isn't as certain, but the lower face and stature both match.<br /> # Unidentified female<br /> # Unidentified female<br /> # The big, bald Asian pilot who's always in the rec room.<br /> <br /> [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 21:32, 9 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> No two cylons can have a child which makes Tahmoh Penikett wrong. Don't know about the others, though the &quot;Chief&quot; guy is certainly too short --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 06:21, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Major kudos if you are correct, cause I cartainly can't see it myself :P -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:27, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> ::They're just stand-ins, they don't release promo pics at random, and they wouldn't reveal anyone in such a way when having a chance to do it on screen. But as said before, those faces are vague enough to be almost anyone. They might have similarities, but a lot of people in the world can have similar features without looking the same. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:32, 10 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::The thing of it is, is; we're all going to see what we want in them untill we actually see them. I'm pretty sure I'm not right (above comment) and fairly sure when they did these Promo pics and ambiguous #3 &quot;in the hinterlands of Cylon death land&quot; dreams, that they wouldn't have cast definite actors...it's a pretty significant choice to make of who should play the roles...so, stick some people in robes and shrouds to stand in and any old person will do for the snippets, clips, dream scenes and teaser tastys. we won't know 'till we know--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:42, 12 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Personally I think the show would be smart to not put all of their eggs in one basket on this whole final five thing. At least one of the five should be someone we've never seen, one should be someone who is alive and in the fleet and at least one should be someone who was in the fleet that has been dead for a while. Making all of the five sleepers who are in the fleet or making them all dead characters or all new characters wouldn't be very cool. Making it a balance between the three would be nice. --[[User:Meteor|Meteor]] 19 January 2007.<br /> <br /> I hate to repeat what's been stated, but I think Philwelch is looking way too hard because I see no one - and I mean ''no one'' familar in that image. Not even a vague similarity. I'm certain they're just stand-ins, but I find it odd that they'd release an image that shows so much, but also expect us not to see a match when the five are revealed. You'd figure they'd put more effort in hiding the faces, just to cover the bases. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:43, 22 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Reason for Locking ==<br /> <br /> I don't want the server to flood or 4k people trying to edit this page. Take your time and finsh everything else first. Unprotect this at Midnight. [[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 19:21, 21 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Interpretation question ==<br /> <br /> After thinking about this, there are only two individuals that believe that what D'anna/Three has seen is actually images of the final five Cylons: herself, and Baltar. The Colonials scripture know that the Temple of Five was human-built, long before the Cylons existed, and was related to five priests who may have worshiped someone different from the Lords of Kobol. There's plenty of inference (with Kara Thrace, Leoben, [[Dodona Selloi]], and the Threes) that there is a connection between the Lords of Kobol and the Cylon God. My problem is that, while the notion that the final five Cylons has been established, there isn't information ''between'' the characters that verifies that what Three has seen are actual Cylon or human figures.<br /> <br /> For that reason, I am going to rewrite this article with a level of neutrality that does not support only Three's belief since there is Colonial connections that exist. The final five represent five human priestly people (blessed, cursed or otherwise cited) or five Cylons (boxed, or related somehow to the origin of the new Cylon, which, after &quot;Rapture,&quot; is not clear-cut. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:31, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> :Well....RDM called them &quot;The Final Five&quot; in his podcast...--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 10:03, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> ::The podcast doesn't elaborate on their nature, and Ron has twisted the truth before to keep the storyline a mystery until aired. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:06, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Three wasn't the Only One==<br /> I think we should also mention that Number Three wasn't the only Cylon to believe they were the Final Five. The Cavils believed it well enough to try to shoot her and even box her. So I think we should at least mention that they too believed Three was seeing the Final Five, enough to essentially eliminate 1/3 of their known female population. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 14:00, 27 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> The light that shines down as the Nova goes is real, and D'anna starts bleeding and dies for no other apparent reason. If it's an illusion in her mind, these things don't match.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 21:22, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br /> :It didn't seem like an illusion, but rather a simple isolate hologram, which wouldn't be surprising since that's the kind of tech these things ususally have in them. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:35, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::The podcast supports the assumption that Three saw the actual Final Five, although I don't think it's explicitly stated. As for the device in the temple, there's quite a few possible explanations and I doubt we'll ever get a definitive answer about which one is correct. The device could've triggered both Three's death and the visions directly, the device could've triggered Three's death, resulting in a vision just like her previous deaths did or the device could've triggered the visions, resulting in Three's death due to some hypothetical built-in failsafe in Three. Each of those three possibilities also has a number of explanations (for example, if the device caused the visions, it may have been a technological substitute for [[chamalla]], it may have been designed to unlock repressed memories or in may have been programmed with the images of the Final Five at any time in the past 4000 years). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:17, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> ::: It seems that [[projection]] would be a likely technology behind a vision seen only by here. Why a 4,000 year old temple would be able to do that is nor more a mystery than why it would be able to insert a vision any other way. Further reflection shows this image to possibly be different from the image in the Temple of Athena, which was more holodeck like, and seen by all.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:47, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Warning - possibly big spoiler below==<br /> I was watching Final Five photo, when I noticed face similarity to one of main characters face. I made some photo mainpulating, and results is below.<br /> <br /> [http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9007/finalfivespoilerzq0.png] &lt;-- POSSIBLE HEAVY SPOILER<br /> <br /> It gives me around 60-70% sure, that this char is one of Final Five. Yet there are two other things - first - it's possible, that director didn't thought of that, and put this actor there to &quot;fill the gap&quot;.<br /> <br /> Second - as I've searched through characteristic of this one, I haven't even found slight connections to Cylon, and it would mess with storyline pretty badly.<br /> <br /> What do you think about that? --[[User:XLII|XLII]] 16:41, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Again, don't take that picture too literally. It did not actually appear in the episode after all, and they chose not to show the faces in detail at the end. We don't know if it was actually shot that way at all and just cut, or if they are just stand-ins for a test shot or something. In any case, since we don't see the five in the episode, we can't draw any conclusions --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:58, 28 January 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Also remember how much Leoben likes mixing truth and lies... &quot;Adama is a Cylon.&quot; [[User:Wynler|Wynler]] 11:12, 29 January 2007 (CST)<br /> ::XLII your idea was a good one, but there's a flaw in your comparison. As you darken the image of the actor, that face overtakes the face of the Final Five. The jawlines match up, which makes it look like it's the same person, but watch the chin and the upper lip (and the 5 o'clock shadow) in pics 1&amp;2 and 4&amp;5. They're different. --[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 19:44, 1 February 2007 (CST)<br /> :::Even if you forget for a moment that the people in the promo picture are just stand-ins Lee Adama is most defintly '''not''' a Cylon anyway we already worked that out. Because he is the son of someone else who is most definitly not a cylon and the Cylons are not copies of already existing people. See [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] and [[Characters eliminated from suspicion]] --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])&lt;/sup&gt;<br /> ::::Not to mention that Lee has his fat makeup on there. Even if the images matched up, it wouldn't be a true likeness of Lee/Jamie Bamber.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:31, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> What if the final five aren't cylons at all, but in fact are part of the priesthood. The whole question &quot;what defines a Cylon&quot; opened by the writers had me thinking... the final five aren't &quot;final&quot; they are the &quot;first&quot; five. They are neither Cylon, nor human and possibly are some related faction to the 13th tribe whom were left behind to fulfull and manipulate things behind the scenes. I do not like the idea of certain main characters being cylons and I believe that this will be the only way to mitigate that unplesant &quot;revelation&quot;. I've been pushing hard on the crossroads' talk pages that the final five aren't necessarily cylons and that Tigh certainly is not. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 22:23, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I agree with the idea that they are NOT Cylons but for different reasons. The first problem is the aging/immortality issue since it has been established that the current batch of cylons will live forever (as long as they are not boxed and are in range of a Ressurection Ship or the Cylon Homeworld). My thought is that the main characters who think they are cylons are NOT but rather descendants of the one or more copies of one or more of the models of the Final Five (thus fufulling RDM's promise of &quot;bluring the line between Human and Cylon&quot;). But we will soon see... [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:30, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Agreed, I actually was trying to clarify that. I think the final five are actually priests, five priests who continue the tradition of prophecies. Remember, Tyrol's father was a priest AND his mom was an Oracle. HE found the Eye. And finally, and this bugs me, people seem to ignore or overlook the fact that the Cylon Biers had stepped into the Eye's chamber when it was meant for a HUMAN to. SHE saw the final five and had explained that she had made a mistake and apologized. Now... I assume those five priests are the &quot;final five&quot; so-called cylons. But why am I the only person who gets that the other seven models do not KNOW who or WHAT the final five truly are? --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:02, 24 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'd actually go with the idea that they are not the FINAL Five, but the FIRST Five. I think the Enemy Seven are the Children of the Cylon group. They don't know about the first 5 also, they don't know who programmed them.--[[User:James968|James968]] 04:51, 9 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == D'Anna's Apology ==<br /> <br /> Right now this article lists Saul Tigh as being the leading suspect of who D'Anna saw, but I'm not sure if this information should really be included; it's complete speculation on one hand, and on the other... I'm not sure that it really holds merit. Certainly Tigh has endured the most of all the final five at the hands of the Cylon, but D'Anna never really had much involvement with him; on the other hand, she attacked and nearly killed Anders in Downloaded. He would seem to me a more likely suspect of who she saw and felt compelled to apologize to. At the very least, my speculation is no more off bat then the theory that it's Tigh, and that really calls for some change here. [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 03:59, 27 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I think she's talking to Anders, as they have had a [[Downloaded|face-to-face conflict with eachother before]]. She was pretty abusive to him in that episode, and if she saw that he wasn't Human, but a member of the [[Final Five]], she would probably be pretty apologetic....[[User:Zach dax|Zach dax]] 23:51, 28 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::So much to apologize for. Tigh's eye (though that seemed a Cavil project). Putting Tyrol's wife on a death list. Beating up Anders. Outside, her centurions are shooting at Anders and Tyrol, and shot and seriously injured Anders' wife. Only Foster brings nothing to mind. However, I don't think it was any of them, and while we can list reasons like the ones I cite, the line &quot;I had no idea&quot; suggests it is somebody bigger. Because she certainly would have had an idea that the F5 were infiltrating the fleet, where else would they be, after all? But no, we can't list who the apology is to quite yet, and since she started a war that killed everybody's families and friends, it's hard to find somebody she could not apologize to.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:18, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::I think it was pretty obviously Anders, per Zach's comment and my own at [[Talk:Rapture#Deanna Recognition]]. One of the Five's was responsible for Tigh's eye, anyway. Can we word this more definitively now? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::That's one interpretation... Frankly, once the Final Cylon is revealed, we'd probably have a better idea on who she apologized to. However, I do agree with both Peter and Zach based on the available evidence. She did assault and try to kill Anders on Caprica, and would've succeeded had D'Anna not had her head smashed in with a rock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 06:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == D'Anna's sketches ==<br /> The two on the right are, in retrospect, clearly Tigh and Anders. I'm not sure about the other ones. The one on the far left is vague enough to be anyone with long hair, or anyone with short hair wearing a hood, and the one in the middle is vague enough to be any woman with a slim face, narrow jawline and straight, shoulder length or longer hair. The one to the near left depicts someone with dark hair and a widow's peak, however no major character other than [[Number Five]] meets those criteria, however they are rough sketches based on blurry memories, so it could be a distorted portrait of Tyrol, Baltar or Roslin. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:12, 28 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I dunno, but SkyOne HD already aired this episode, so if anyone has a higher resolution cap of the sketches then it would greatly help the article I think, if at least visually. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:58, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Ironies and references ==<br /> <br /> The revelation of the identities Fantastic Four (as I like to call them) brought up some interesting ironies. I thought I'd list them here for entertainment purposes, along with other early references to their Cylonness:<br /> * On several occasions throughout the show, [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] plays with the idea of committing suicide. Not only is this considered a mortal sin by the Significant Seven, it also won't solve his problems, as he'll just be resurrected.<br /> * In &quot;[[33]]&quot;, Tigh gives [[William Adama|Adama]] his 10 minutes rest, because Adama is more tired. Interestingly, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] also suffered less from the sleep-depriving conditions than anyone else.<br /> * In &quot;[[Litmus]]&quot;, [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] is interrogated for conspiracy with a Cylon.<br /> * In the episodes &quot;[[Scattered]]&quot; through &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, a Cylon has been in command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].<br /> * In &quot;[[Fragged]]&quot;, Tyrol leads an attack on five Cylon [[Centurion]]s<br /> * [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] has been [[Caprica Resistance|fighting the Significant Seven]] ever since the [[Fall of the Colonies]].<br /> ** When Anders' group ambushes [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], Anders assumes they are Cylons, while he's a Cylon himself.<br /> * In &quot;[[Resistance]]&quot;, Tigh accuses Tyrol of being a Cylon. Not only is Tigh right, he is also a Cylon himself.<br /> * After his release, Tyrol talks about how he saw [[Sharon Valerii]] slowly realizing her Cylon identity, not knowing the same will happen to him (although his realization is much faster).<br /> * In &quot;[[Home, Part II]]&quot;, Adama orders Tyrol to guard fellow Cylon [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], [[Tom Zarek|Zarek]] and Helo.<br /> * In &quot;[[Final Cut]]&quot;, [[Number Three|D'Anna Biers]] tries to implicate Tigh in the [[Gideon]] incident, not knowing he's a Cylon just like her.<br /> * In &quot;[[Flight of the Phoenix]]&quot;, Tyrol builds a stealth craft that successfully avoids Cylon DRADIS.<br /> * In &quot;[[The Captain's Hand]]&quot;, [[Tory Foster|Tory]] is very closely involved in the plot to hide [[Hera]], who is actively searched for by the Seven and connected to the [[final five]] on some occasions.<br /> * In &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;, a Three threatens to kill Anders, not knowing he's a Cylon as well.<br /> * In &quot;[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]&quot;, Tyrol is the first to identify [[Cavil]] as a Cylon.<br /> * Tigh, Tyrol and Anders were the three leading figures of the [[New Caprica Resistance]].<br /> ** They were also members of [[The Circle]] that [[Collaborators|executed]] collaborators after the Second Exodus.<br /> ** Tory also helped the resistance by organizing evacuation exercises disguised as fire drills.<br /> * In &quot;[[Hero]]&quot;, Tigh is the one to realize Bulldog was manipulated by the Cylons to kill Adama.<br /> * In &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, when Three finds the Temple in order to see the final five, two of them (Tyrol and Anders) are just outside (credit to someone else on this Wiki).<br /> * In &quot;[[A Day in the Life]]&quot;, Tyrol suffers far less from the explosive decompression than [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] does.<br /> * In &quot;[[Dirty Hands]]&quot;, Tory only suffers a minor injury when a [[Raptor]] crashes into ''[[Colonial One]]'' close to her.<br /> * In the same episode, Tyrol points out to [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] that choice sets them apart from the Cylons.<br /> * The irony of ironies occurs in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;: a Cylon (Tigh) orders three fellow Cylons (Anders, Tory and Tyrol) to help defend the ship from attacking Cylons.<br /> :Great list. I noted the temple because this is around the first point that these are deliberate ironies. RDM has admitted he didn't pick who would be the final 5 until during this season, so the ironies prior to the exodus are probably unintentional. (Also, just like rain on your wedding day, not all these are ironies :-) For example, Tyrol's decompression is much more clearly a plain-old clue, it was in his clue list. We don't know if the F5 were picked during [[Collaborators]] but that is also an interesting irony if they were.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 15:00, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I know they're not all ironies (that's why this section is titled &quot;Ironies ''and references''&quot;), and they can't all have been intentional. I just suddenly realized the one in &quot;Resistance&quot; (still one of my favorites in this list), and built the rest of the list around it. It's actually funny to see how many of these ironies/references can be found in the first two seasons. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 15:58, 29 March 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==&quot;What about Ellen?&quot;==<br /> I think the line can be interpreted in ways other than how it was interpreted in this page. I for one thought he was more likely questioning whether she (along with all the other things he mentioned) were real. After all, he had just learned he was a Cylon, which meant something about his life was different. <br /> <br /> This is what I thought anywyas, and it makes a little more sense to me. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:09, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Yeah, we know that Ellen Tigh wasn't a false memory, but Saul Tigh has no way of knowing which parts of his life are false memories or some programmed delusion. I still think it's more likely that he was revisiting his regrets about her death or considering the possibility that Ellen may be a Cylon. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:43, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Was mostly just documenting the fact that they don't know yet about their being special Cylons, as revealed in the Podcast. I have edited the text to be more a reporting of facts than a speculation of his motives.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:22, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Perfect! Thanks :) .--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:59, 12 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I believe [[Ellen Tigh]] is a [[Cylon]]. While there is evidence she has a sister in [[Valley of Darkness]], she fits being a Cylon and she is a female that can fit the profile. [[Number Three]] may have apoligized for her being killed by Tigh.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 20.19, 2 July 2007<br /> <br /> == Proper Noun or not? ==<br /> <br /> I think we need some kind of standard here. Either it's &quot;Final Five&quot; or &quot;Final five&quot;, but not both. Same with &quot;Significant Seven&quot;. Personally I could go either way, but I think most people tend to capitalize the numbers. That would be easier then. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:43, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I'd go with Final Five. Shane can probably bot-edit once we've reached consensus on the capitalization. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 16:02, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I agree, since they are sometimes referred only as &quot;The Five&quot; I think the second should be capitalized as well. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:17, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Yup, Final Five. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 23:23, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::For consistency's sake, OK. Same for &quot;Significant Seven&quot; (although that is a production term and not an aired canonical one). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:47, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :As is stands the article is filled with simply &quot;Five&quot; or &quot;Seven&quot;. I think this is very confusing because they can be confused with model numbers. I think they should either have the Final/Significant in front of them at all times, or be changed to lower case. Thoughts? -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 11:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Possible Repercussions Against the Seven ==<br /> <br /> Once the fourth seasons of Galactica begins, I, for one, would be thrilled to see what sort of consequences would befall the Cavil models for their actions against Saul; particularly their torturing him mentally and physically.<br /> <br /> This, of course, would be provided that whatever repressed memories/programming within them, that is Saul and the other three of five remaining, does not altogether supress the personalities we are familiar with.<br /> <br /> And what of Sam regarding the Conoy models' mental torture of Starbuck on New Caprica? Will retribution or amnesty befall Conoy if such a plot or subplot were contemplated by the producers?<br /> <br /> I could only imagine how Cally and Kara would react to discovering their spouses are two of the Final Five. I even wonder moreso how Bill (Admiral Adama) will react toward Saul's true race.<br /> <br /> Granted, those last two paragraphs had little to do with the possible retribution or amnesty toward the known seven at the hands of Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders; but they are still possibilities worth contemplating. <br /> - {{unsigned|Murrdawg 316}}<br /> :Yeah, the Fantastic Four are in an awkward position. My personal prediction is that the Colonials will meet a Final Five fleet, sending a Tigh copy as a liaison (or a Tyrol/Anders/Tori copy for that matter). That Final Five fleet could appear pretty early: it could be the fleet that jumped into the Ionian System at the end of &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;, or they could jump in and defend the Colonials. And we almost forgot to mention Starbuck: she'll have some explaining to do as well. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 07:59, 22 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Further Flipping of the original Battlestar Galactica's Script ==<br /> <br /> Okay, seeing as such changes in the redefined and more immensely popular version of Battlestar Galactica have occurred as (1) gender reversals of the original Boomer, Starbuck, Cain, and -- if I am not mistaken -- Number Six, (2) making Cain superior in rank to the elder Adama, and (3) making the Cylons self-aware AND humanoid right out of the gate. Wouldn't it also be logical to give Earth the possible advantage of not only being as advanced if not moreso than the Twelve Colonies of Kobol AND also made both peaceful and military resolutions to problems the Colonials had to learn the hard way with the Cylons where the creation of self-aware, replicated humanoids or androids of their own are concerned?<br /> <br /> It would be fascinating to hope that Earth, like and yet unlike the Colonies, not only created artificial life, but acknowledged their sentience and right to exist as an equal and independent race either beside or separate from humans; thus being added contributors to the resolution of the Cylon/Colonial conflict as the series meets its eventual end.<br /> <br /> Please let me know what you think.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Murrdawg 316|Murrdawg 316]] 05:12, 29 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Based on the episode events, there is some truth in your fiction. Ron uses the Original Series as a template, but has obviously grown away from most of the storylines that appeared there (and seriously &quot;warps&quot; what he does use). There is one premise that does permeate throughout the Re-imagined Series, whether the Cylons or humanity itself harass the Fleet: &quot;We have seen the enemy, and they are us.&quot; Some [[Sacred Scrolls|elements of return and origin]] (a serious plotline of the show) have bigger complications, not only with [[Hera Agathon]] or the Five, but the [[The Destiny|mysterious destiny and return of Kara Thrace]] and the prophecies and involvement of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]]. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:00, 29 April 2007 (CDT) &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])&lt;/sup&gt;<br /> <br /> :There are clues that Earth did not have a peaceful creation of its own AIs. The writings of Pythia who &quot;wrote of the exile and rebirth of the human race&quot; 3,600 years BCH are ambiguous, because they are written in the past tense (implying such an exodus in her past) but also treated as prophecies by the colonials for their future. There is not supposed to be any time travel in this show, but there is definitely a theme of repeated cycles of history. However, RDM refuses to answer questions about what Earth is like, though he has worked it out in his internal notes. All we actually have confirmed about Earth (as opposed to learn from colonial mythology) is that whoever took Starbuck brought her there, that its night sky was displayed in the [[Tomb of Athena]] and that it's real and not too far from the [[Ionian nebula]] on a Galactic scale.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:44, 29 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Guys i don't know about you but i would love to see a conflict resolution similar to Issac Asimovs &quot;Foundation&quot;. In the first 2<br /> books, 2 major conficts resolve peacefully yet surprisingly amazing!! [[User:Bbm4n|Bbm4n]] 15:46, 5 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == S3 cliffhanger tag ==<br /> <br /> Is the presence of this tag still justified (now that the Four Revealed section has been added)? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 07:13, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :It would be cool to just edit it to &quot;events are under scrutiny...&quot;. We no longer need to warn people about edit conflicts and such though. But we could also strike it entirely. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:18, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::From my point of view, the tag used to mean the article was no longer correct and/or needed to be cleaned up in light of the [[Crossroads, Part II]] events. That issue has now been resolved. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 08:18, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::The tag (which I created) was primarily to stem the crisis of edit-conflicts, fanwanking, and the like, especially given how the revelations made everything we know almost wrong. It can be removed if the article is now up to date. However, we need to ensure that the [[Humanoid Cylon]] article is noted and how the Final Five contrast and compare, specifically noting how &quot;fundamentally different&quot; they are. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:51, 28 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Mevenstar's edit ==<br /> <br /> Moved from the article. Please discuss here:<br /> <br /> : #1 The Jealous God, #2 Cylon God and #3 One Whose Name cannot be spoken all hint toward a RDM incarnation of Iblis, but as no metaphysical being has been shown yet to exist, nor any AI before the cylons introduced, it seems feasible each of these three descriptions may depict more than one Kobol Lord or the cylon god. There are judeo christian montehists that do not believe in speaking the name of their god Jahovah. The Jealous God can be a lucifer or hades like charcter that has set himself up as the Cylon God, The One whose name cannot be spoken can be a kobol lord that has assumed a Johavah like role in exile with the the thirteenth tribe, and the remaining Kobol Lords are in some way connected to the colonials as pantheon similar in form to Mt. Olympus. They may be real or imagined, metaphysical or AI...and all three groups, colonials, 13th tribe and cylons could be in effect worshipping the same being with radically different interpretaions as to the nature of that being, just like muslims, christains and jews.--[[User:Mevenstar|Mevenstar]] 10:27, 5 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Resurrection and multiple copies ==<br /> There's no conclusive evidence supporting multiple copies or resurrection for the Final Five, but there's no conclusive evidence refuting the possibility either. Is there an interview in which it's implied that they cannot resurrect or don't have additional copies? If not, I would prefer a more neutral statement about the lack of evidence either way. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 21:23, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Sometime in season 3([[Escape Velocity]]) is rumored that after the Significant Seven become aware that the Final Five(well, at least four) reside in the fleet, they propose to cease attacking them as it is unknown if these Cylons have the ability to resurrect. If they were to die, no where in the Colonial Fleet or Cylon Fleet can the Five, if even, resurrect... Of course, no one knows for sure. -- [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 22:04, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Thanks for pointing it out, I'll add a cite and tweak the note. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:58, 27 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Great! :-) -- [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 01:43, 27 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :My theory would be that they have the ability to download, but probably there are no spare bodies waiting for them (if there were, it would be very hard for the seven to not know about them). Question is, what happens if there's a res ship in range but no matching spare body? Is the consciousness frozen, effectively boxed, until a body is provided, or is it lost? [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 13:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: We know there's a delay between death and download, as seen in &quot;Downloaded&quot; or the New Caprica arc. Therefore one can assume that there is some sort of storage buffer for memories to reside in (temporary memory, a la RAM) until the consciousness can be saved to a permanent medium (the body/husk). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::The 7 Cylons know almost nothing about the F5, in fact they have programming which limits how much they can even think about them. All they know is they don't have any other models in their resurrection facilities (now destroyed) so they would indeed wonder about whether they can resurrect. However, *that actually tells us only about the programmed ignorance of the S7, it does not reveal anything about the F5*. I've been taking to calling them the &quot;original five&quot; as that is a much more correct name, and helps avoid the confusion that comes from taking assumptions from the S7 and applying it to the original five. As to whether there are other copies, well we see animated copies in white robes in the visions. And somebody is out there doing stuff, so there are suggestions of other copies out there, but no proof as yet.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::True. Therefore, based on real-world analogies, it would be logical to assume they can be stored in that buffer indefinitely as long as there is no major power failure aboard the res ship. Maybe they can even be backed up in a process similar to boxing (well, we now know un-boxing is possible, so technically boxing is a kind of backup). On the other hand I think I remember Star Trek teleporter buffers being able to store living beings only for a limited amount of time (which sounds pretty much bull^H^H^H^Hunrealistic if you ask me). So I guess we're stuck with waiting for official version. [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 06:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Possible Cylon ploy ==<br /> <br /> The whole notion of the final five being based on the two sketches may have more weight than the musical programming but a still a far cry from being reliable. I belive the &quot;fantasitc four&quot; or the &quot;quartet&quot; (hey it's music that drives them) were manipulated by some Cylon psychic or psychological tampering. I mean how is it that now the Cylons are able to follow Galactica? And how then does the non-ressurrectable final 5 come perilously close to being killed (Tyrol about 5 times), Anders (who knows how many times), Tigh (Abused and tortured by the other cylons)...<br /> <br /> No I think the Cylons when they captured these at some point had implanted some tracking beacons on them. When Tigh thought the music was coming from the ship he was close, he probably thought there was a tracking device. <br /> <br /> I admit I can't find a good explanation for the sketches. But 2 out of 4 of them are recognizeable. And because she was a CYLON, she was not meant to see the true faces of the final 5, maybe what she saw was a distortion and false information. <br /> <br /> --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 20:41, 31 January 2008 (CST)<br /> \<br /> : Sorry, what source do you have for them being 'non-ressurectable?&quot; Or that the other seven know anything about them, other than the boxed #3? We have not seen that in the show, and what we have seen -- placing them in the temple of five and Kobol opera house -- marks them as thousands of years old, so if there is a ploy it is almost surely the other way around.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:02, 9 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::Yeah, see the previous section, their ability to resurrect is uncertain. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:37, 14 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::Well, we do know that FF replacement bodies aren't lying around in a cupboard on the resurrection ships, else D'Anna wouldn't have had to go to all that trouble killing herself over and over. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Centurions ==<br /> We know the Centurions have shot at members of the Final Five (or at least shot in their general direction), but have they ever actually ''hit'' one of the Final Five? In other words, is it possible that they can detect the Final Five, and are intentionally missing them? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:00, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> *Until the start of series 3 the ''writers'' hadn't even decided who the FF were, so anything before then is irrelevant. I don't think the FF were ever shot in S3, but that's probably more of a [[w:Character shield|Character Shield]] than anything else. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 11:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::If a Centurion harmed one of the Final Five then I think it would be safe to assume that they can't recognize them. The absence of harm would be ambiguous, but it would leave the possibility of recognition open. Either way, I believe more details should be included. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == When did the writers decide on the final Cylon's identity? ==<br /> IIRC it was at some point during season 2, but I can't find the source for that claim. IMO the timeframe should be mentioned in the notes if we can find a source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Final_Five&diff=163743 2008-06-17T11:34:59Z

<p>Xlynx: /* Awareness of the Five by other seven Cylons */ try to avoid &quot;Five&quot; and &quot;Seven&quot; being interpreted as model lines, minor mod for recent events.</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:TheFinalFive.JPG|right|thumb|300px|The Final Five in the Kobol Opera House]]<br /> The term &quot;'''Final Five'''&quot; collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the humanoid Cylon models.<br /> <br /> [[Caprica-Six]], when asked by [[Gaius Baltar]] about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]). Later she states that she is ''programmed'' not to think of them ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). A [[Hybrid]] refers to &quot;the five who come from the home of the 13th&quot;, which makes Kara Thrace and her associates conclude the Final Five have been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> ==The Unauthorized Quest for the Five==<br /> A [[Number Three]] copy, whom Gaius Baltar calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the Final Five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).<br /> <br /> One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the Five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and the twelfth and final Cylon. ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> [[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]<br /> Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.<br /> <br /> The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers (&quot;[[The Passage]]&quot;, &quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot;). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. Number Three steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise &quot;You... forgive me... I had no idea.&quot; She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She tells Baltar, &quot;You were right,&quot; but dies before answering about what, or telling him what she saw. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> Later, she shows that she is aware of the identities of the four revealed Cylons, but apparently can't immediately identify the fifth ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> ==Awareness of the Five by other seven Cylons==<br /> <br /> Caprica-Six indicates that the Cylons do not speak of the Five, but she knows how many there are. She later tells Roslin that she is actually &quot;programmed not to think of them.&quot; [[D'Anna Biers]] also indicates to Baltar that they do not discuss the Five. A [[Cavil]] realizes in the [[Temple of Five]] that Biers is attempting to see the Final Five, and not simply seeking [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. He tells her &quot;That can't happen&quot; and points a gun at her to stop her, but is shot by Baltar. Later, a Cavil explains that because of her obsession her entire line will be [[boxing|boxed]] ([[Rapture]]).<br /> <br /> A [[Leoben Conoy]] claims that &quot;Adama is a Cylon&quot; though neither Adama is one of the other six Cylons he should know. If an Adama were a member of the final five, Leoben should not, in theory, know this. However, it is commonly believed that he is lying ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> <br /> The [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Given that these Seven do not interact (or are unwilling to interact) with the Five at the time, the number that Boomer gives is likely other copies of the Seven in disguise. (This tendency to disguise is confirmed through [[Shelly Godfrey]], [[Gina Inviere]] and an unnamed Number Six with black hair found on a stricken baseship in &quot;[[Torn]]&quot;). Also supporting this is the scene where number Three and Sharon Valerii discover Samuel Anders and refer to him as human in the episode &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;. A later episode, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, shows a Three recognizing one of the faces of the Five, confirming the lack of information to the Seven on the Five's identities.<br /> <br /> Both [[Caprica Six]] and Sharon Agathon share a dream vision in which the glowing, white-robed figures of the Five are shown in the [[Opera House]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). After their activation, Caprica-Six, aboard ''Galactica'', has a sense that the Final Five are near ([[He That Believeth In Me]]), but fails to recognize Tigh even when directly confronted by him ([[Escape Velocity]]).<br /> <br /> There are cases of the Seven and the Five committing violence to each other, including:<br /> * D'Anna Biers attacks Anders on Caprica ([[Downloaded]]).<br /> * Tyrol executes two copies of [[Number One|Cavil]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br /> * Tigh's right eye is taken out by a Number Five (&quot;[[Occupation]]&quot;, [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#Occupation|deleted scene]]).<br /> * Tigh, Anders, and Tyrol lead a violent resistance movement against the Seven on New Caprica, killing many (''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]'', &quot;Occupation&quot; through &quot;[[Exodus, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> * Anders attacks a Two ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).<br /> * Anders threatens to kill a copy of [[Number Six]] after she kills [[Jean Barolay]] ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> While [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] are programmed to recognize and obey [[humanoid Cylon]]s, on a number of occasions they shoot at members of the Five, prior to their activation, including Tyrol on Kobol, Anders both on Caprica and outside the Temple of Five, and most members during the escape from [[New Caprica]].<br /> <br /> This seems to change after their &quot;activation&quot;, as during the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], a Cylon Raider makes eye contact with [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] in a Viper, causing a brief red flash from Anders' eye. Immediately, the Raider breaks off its attack, and the entire Cylon fleet retreats ([[He That Believeth In Me]]), after responding this IFF procedure. However, this display of free will and the prospect of making contact with the Five, creates a [[Cylon civil war|schism]] between the other six Cylons, who violently disagree over the appropriate course of action ([[Six of One]]).<br /> <br /> When D'Anna is unboxed by the [[Number One|Ones]] and rescued by the human-Cylon alliance, she initially keeps her knowledge about the Five's identities a secret in an attempt to secure her safety should the alliance collapse ([[The Hub]]). When she resumes her position as the ''de facto'' leader of the Cylon rebels she reveals to President Roslin and Admiral Adama that there are only ''four'' Cylons in their fleet, and does not elaborate on the status of the fifth. She then holds the humans aboard her basestar, including Roslin and [[Gaius Baltar]], hostage in an attempt to force the four out of hiding. Tory Foster willingly goes to the basestar, and D'Anna introduces her to her new Cylon &quot;brothers&quot; and &quot;sisters&quot;. In the ensuing stand off, President [[Lee Adama]] attempts to force D'Anna to release her hostages by threatening to execute Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders and in doing so publicly announces their identities to the other Cylons on the basestar ([[Revelations]]).<br /> <br /> ==Four Revealed, and their nature==<br /> <br /> [[Image:Four Revealed.jpg|thumb|Four of the Final Five from left to right: [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]].]]<br /> <br /> As the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], four people begin hearing an [[The Music|unusual melody]]: these four are Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering its mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the Final Five. When they learn the truth, they decide to remain loyal to the Colonial Fleet, because they were humans for as long as they can remember, and cling to what they know to make sense of their lives. Moreover, Tigh sees himself as a soldier first and wants to hold up his oath.<br /> <br /> After activation, the four revealed Cylons are unaware of any thoughts like Boomer's [[Sharon Valerii#Acts of sabotage|Cylon directives]] other than that they are Cylons. In a sense they know less than the audience and the Significant Seven, who at least know that the Final Five are fundamentally different models.&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Frak Party Q and A|act=|id=ffdifferent|timestamp=19:05|totalrunning=78:27}}&lt;/ref&gt; Tigh and Anders painfully and confusedly recite events from their lives which make little sense in the context of their newly revealed nature. With particular pain, Tigh asks &quot;My gods, what about Ellen?&quot; His personal execution of his wife for being a Cylon collaborator, and his pain over it, have been a major theme in the episode.<br /> <br /> The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven. In particular, Colonel Tigh's friendship with William Adama stretches back to shortly after the end of the first Cylon War and in an interview&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm|title=Post-Gazette Moore interview}}&lt;/ref&gt; Ron Moore stated that Tigh &quot;fought in two wars.&quot; ([[Crossroads, Part II]])<br /> <br /> These Cylons also seem to be susceptible to human infirmities: Tigh's ongoing battles with alcoholism, Tyrol suffering from decompression sickness - although to a lesser extent than his wife ([[A Day in the Life]]), and Anders contracting pneumonia ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]), though he is able to make a full recovery without treatment ([[Occupation]]). However, since the Final Five possess at least some of the Cylons' superhuman strength, they likely possess other physical Cylon traits as well ([[The Ties That Bind]]).<br /> <br /> As the Seven do not hold (or appear to desire) knowledge of the Five, and with their special nature, their ability to [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrect]] and the existence of multiple copies for any of the Five are uncertain based on aired events and official responses.&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.syfyportal.com/news423878.html|title=Things Get Ugly In 'Battlestar' Season 4|date=Jul-10-2007|accessdate=Jul-13-2007|}}&lt;/ref&gt; [[Caprica-Six]] describes being &quot;programmed&quot; not to think of the Five ([[He That Believeth In Me]]) and it is unknown whether the Five and Seven ever co-existed in the same location.<br /> <br /> ===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===<br /> *The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, &quot;Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken&quot;. This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a &quot;jealous god&quot;. <br /> *On [[New Caprica]], Number Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.<br /> *With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]].<br /> <br /> ===Kara Thrace, The Eye of Jupiter, and the First Hybrid===<br /> *The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that [[Eye of Jupiter|&quot;doodled&quot; a circular image as a child]] with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, &quot;[[Valley of Darkness]]&quot;), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophecy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an [[The Destiny|unexplained &quot;destiny&quot;]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).<br /> *The [[first Hybrid]] gives a monologue about his knowledge of the Final Five in the extended version of &quot;[[Razor]]&quot;. It states:<br /> <br /> :&quot;Soon there will be four, glorious in awakening, struggling with the knowledge of their true selves. The pain of revelation bringing new clarity and in the midst of confusion, he will find her. Enemies brought together by impossible longing. Enemies now joined as one. The way forward at once unthinkable, yet inevitable. And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.&quot;<br /> <br /> :Its description predicts the internal revelation that four of the Five would experience in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;. The fifth and final Cylon remains hidden, longing to be forgiven for some type of trespass, but will experience suffering in the process.<br /> <br /> *The first Hybrid also mentions Kara Thrace to [[Kendra Shaw]], claiming, &quot;She is the herald of the apocalypse, the harbinger of death...&quot; as the end of the human race. He warns Shaw that the humans should not follow her ([[Razor]]). However, the Hybrid never confirms Thrace's nature. More than a year later, another [[Hybrid]] claims that Thrace will lead humanity to its end ([[Faith]]).<br /> <br /> ===Illusion or Truth===<br /> *The Threes' hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.<br /> **As of &quot;[[The Hub]]&quot; the single re-activated D'Anna is the only one who knows the identity of all five models, information she is keeping for use as a bargaining chip.<br /> *Later, in dream visions of the [[Opera House]] shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica-Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear, along with the same chamber with six drapes, this time empty. Six sees them for a more prolonged period in a second vision.<br /> *As the [[Temple of Five]] was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the &quot;chosen one&quot;. The human association and significance of the [[five priests]], [[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|the god they worshiped]], and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> * The podcast for &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot; confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]] &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> * During a Q&amp;A session on the official Sci Fi channel ''Battlestar Galactica'' forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is&lt;ref&gt;[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&amp;st=0&amp;p=3041263&amp;#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> * Despite the revelation of all of the Significant Seven's model numbers in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;, [[Ron D. Moore]] confirmed that the Final Five '''do not''' have model numbers like the [[Significant Seven]].&lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants &amp; Reviews - Live at the &quot;Battlestar Galactica&quot; Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> {{WikiFrakr|Fantastic Four}}<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylon Religion (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons]]<br /> [[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Final Five]]<br /> [[ms:Lima Terakhir]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Revelations/Archive2&diff=163469 2008-06-15T23:27:14Z

<p>Xlynx: </p> <hr /> <div>A &quot;Lt. Gonzo Pike&quot; is also listed on the [[:Image:GoBetween260607.jpg|casting sheet]] for &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot; for what it's worth. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> The convention report attributes the forest scenes to episode '''11'''. Since other reports state that they have shut down after episode 13, this like means that they are the same by episode numbers. &quot;Revelations&quot; is episode 10 however! --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 20 November 2007 (CST)<br /> : Here's the thing though... is Katee counting &quot;Razor&quot; as one episode? If so, then that makes &quot;Revelations&quot; episode 11, by her count. Also, about 4.13... it seems that there are only 10 episodes &quot;in the can&quot;, as far as I can determine. Also, production numbers can be taken out of order; it's happened before to series such as ''Babylon 5'' and even the original BSG. So, 4.13... Is ''that'' episode 11, or is that part of episode 10, which may be extended? Plus we have two missing episodes that are unaccounted for, 4.07 and 4.09. <br /> : To be honest, it's a bit confusing. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 09:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Right. Counting &quot;Razor&quot; as one episode makes this correct again. That's probably the case. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == 4.0 finale? ==<br /> <br /> Is this the finale to the first half of the season? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'd venture a &quot;yes&quot;. Not only is the episode #10 out of 20 (excluding &quot;Razor&quot;), but the SciFi Channel doesn't list it either on the site in general or on their schedule. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It's the mid-season cliffhanger... Should add that to the notes. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Advance screening ==<br /> <br /> Since the episode apparently has an [http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html advance screening] tomorrow, maybe we should lock the article. I vaguely I recall that a similar screening resulted in the episode summary or analysis to be written. That's not so bad, but we have no way to verify the stuff. Plus, I don't think we should spoil it for everyone just because a handful of people have seen the episode already. It's probably not that likely that there will be massive edits, but taking precautions doesn't hurt. Someone might also read spoilers somewhere else and try to add them here. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : I believe you are referring to &quot;Razor&quot;. And, well, despite the advanced screening any content from it is still considered a [[BW:SP|spoiler]], since it hasn't made a nation-wide airing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah yes, Razor. That was just an internet leak though and we could easily obtain a copy as well. That's not the case with a theater screening. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually, if you recall, it was also screened in certain markets about a week before the air date. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Location on earth ==<br /> <br /> To me the location on earth looked a bit like the ruins of Ellis Island with New York City in the backround. Am I way off? --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It's Brooklyn. [http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/913/bsgbrooklynbridgeyx0.jpg Check it out].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You are right. I didn't think that was a bridge, just a girder. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 12:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 5th Cylon ==<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;“Is Number Three honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the Fleet? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> Perhaps the 5th is already on the Basestar? [[User:Nerull|Nerull]] 13:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Were there any other major characters except Baltar and Roslin? Roslin is pretty much ruled out by the joke Five made. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 13:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : Karl Agathon was still on the baseship, but he's human, as far as we know. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Yes, this is weird. Are there any major characters anywhere else? I mean, there are three Cylon models + Boomer in the Cylon fleet but they're not exactly good candidates. Did we leave someone behind somewhere? Surely, the final Cylon isn't dead. It has to be a major character. I guess it has to be one of Helo/Roslin/Baltar. I think that Roslin would be the most likely of those. The 3's question could have been meant in earnest. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm stretching this, but the five are supposed to find the way to earth. Chief, Sam and Tigh find the Viper (this could also make Starbuck a Cylon) and Roslin gives the final go for jump. There is a problem with Tory, she does nothing. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 14:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Tory can't do anything because the call summons her to ''Galactica'', where Starbuck's Viper is. Obviously, she's disconnected from the rest of the Four, so she has the adverse reaction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What about Hera? D'anna was only &quot;interested&quot; in the four, and that way opened the door for another less important (for now) cylon......<br /> <br /> == Earth - Speculation ==<br /> <br /> Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, according to the hybrid. She is also the only character we know has been to Earth. What if she triggered a series of events that led to the destruction of the 13th tribe? She probably isn't the 5th, but she's something else. I think she's playing the character of Krishna for those of you who've read Bhagavad Gita, but at the same time her connections to the arrow of Apollo make me think she might be Arjuna. In either case, her counterpart would be the 5th.<br /> <br /> What is hard to explain is her viper. How does it explode visibly and then come back in mint condition in the nebula? Vipers don't have FTL either, so everything seems weird.<br /> <br /> * International Space Station and satellites probably wouldn't be affected by nuclear war<br /> * They can't all be dead - there's got to be somebody alive from the 13th tribe.<br /> * New York, sure, but who would waste a nuke on New Jersey? (*grin*)<br /> <br /> --[[User:Smari|Smari]] 14:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ISS and other spacecraft in low-earth orbit will see their orbits decay within a decade (or even less) due to atmospheric drag without periodic reboosts (the demise of Skylab in 1979 is a perfect example of this). Even satellites in pretty high Earth orbit will fall back to Earth within a few hundred years - assuming that a significantly long time has elapsed since whatever happened on Earth, the only stuff left in orbit will be stuff out at the Clarke (geosynchronous) orbit. <br /> <br /> --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Perhaps, but not much time has passed in the fleet, yet the plants growing on the ruins suggest the event was a long time ago. However, there was a time discrepancy associated with Kara's previous visit.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Locating Earth based on just a bearing ==<br /> <br /> There's a comment made in the main article stating that making a precision jump based solely on a bearing seems unlikely. It doesn't seem to me like this would necessarily be the case. Based on the bearing, Galactica should be able to scan in that direction, looking for solar systems. From there, they could scan for inhabitable planets. Assuming they truly are in our solar system, that narrows it down to one planet. We know that Colonial FTLs are capable of some extremely precise jumps, so jumping into orbit doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.<br /> <br /> The part that seems unlikely to me is that the fleet has been haphazardly stumbling around all this time jumping from point to point, several hundred jumps from the 12 Colonies. Now the Fleet is within jump range of Earth, without even knowing exactly where they were going.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 16:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I don't think the Fleet jumped from their position to Earth in one jump. Getting to Earth probably took many jumps, which is what Lee meant when he said his course would have to be corrected as they went. The writers just skipped all these intermediate jumps and cut straight ahead to the final one. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 22:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Even given that, it would be more believable to jump somewhere into the solar system rather than directly into orbit on the final jump. That's really just dramatic license. However, as said above, it makes sense that they would use astronomical readings to determine the location of star systems in the direction. But, it wouldn't be the usual generic, faster-than-light sci-fi scans. BSG's stellar navigation is mostly more in line with real astronomy, i.e. using passive readings -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is it Earth at all? ==<br /> Is the planet actually Earth? No recognisable land masses are visible from orbit, unlike in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;. The ruins look vaguely like Brooklyn and the Temple of Aurora, but it's inconclusive. The only thing conclusive is the star patterns match. Perhaps this is another pointer along the way. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :The scriptures say the dying leader wasn't supposed to survive to see their new home, although that's making two assumptions - that the dying leader is Roslin and the new home is the planet. --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 23:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Revelations/Archive2&diff=163424 2008-06-15T16:15:13Z

<p>Xlynx: </p> <hr /> <div>A &quot;Lt. Gonzo Pike&quot; is also listed on the [[:Image:GoBetween260607.jpg|casting sheet]] for &quot;[[The Ties That Bind]]&quot; for what it's worth. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> The convention report attributes the forest scenes to episode '''11'''. Since other reports state that they have shut down after episode 13, this like means that they are the same by episode numbers. &quot;Revelations&quot; is episode 10 however! --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:57, 20 November 2007 (CST)<br /> : Here's the thing though... is Katee counting &quot;Razor&quot; as one episode? If so, then that makes &quot;Revelations&quot; episode 11, by her count. Also, about 4.13... it seems that there are only 10 episodes &quot;in the can&quot;, as far as I can determine. Also, production numbers can be taken out of order; it's happened before to series such as ''Babylon 5'' and even the original BSG. So, 4.13... Is ''that'' episode 11, or is that part of episode 10, which may be extended? Plus we have two missing episodes that are unaccounted for, 4.07 and 4.09. <br /> : To be honest, it's a bit confusing. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 09:55, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Right. Counting &quot;Razor&quot; as one episode makes this correct again. That's probably the case. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:36, 21 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == 4.0 finale? ==<br /> <br /> Is this the finale to the first half of the season? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'd venture a &quot;yes&quot;. Not only is the episode #10 out of 20 (excluding &quot;Razor&quot;), but the SciFi Channel doesn't list it either on the site in general or on their schedule. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It's the mid-season cliffhanger... Should add that to the notes. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Advance screening ==<br /> <br /> Since the episode apparently has an [http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html advance screening] tomorrow, maybe we should lock the article. I vaguely I recall that a similar screening resulted in the episode summary or analysis to be written. That's not so bad, but we have no way to verify the stuff. Plus, I don't think we should spoil it for everyone just because a handful of people have seen the episode already. It's probably not that likely that there will be massive edits, but taking precautions doesn't hurt. Someone might also read spoilers somewhere else and try to add them here. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : I believe you are referring to &quot;Razor&quot;. And, well, despite the advanced screening any content from it is still considered a [[BW:SP|spoiler]], since it hasn't made a nation-wide airing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Ah yes, Razor. That was just an internet leak though and we could easily obtain a copy as well. That's not the case with a theater screening. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Actually, if you recall, it was also screened in certain markets about a week before the air date. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Location on earth ==<br /> <br /> To me the location on earth looked a bit like the ruins of Ellis Island with New York City in the backround. Am I way off? --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 10:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It's Brooklyn. [http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/913/bsgbrooklynbridgeyx0.jpg Check it out].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 11:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> You are right. I didn't think that was a bridge, just a girder. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 12:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == 5th Cylon ==<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;“Is Number Three honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the Fleet? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?”&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> Perhaps the 5th is already on the Basestar? [[User:Nerull|Nerull]] 13:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Were there any other major characters except Baltar and Roslin? Roslin is pretty much ruled out by the joke Five made. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 13:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : Karl Agathon was still on the baseship, but he's human, as far as we know. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Yes, this is weird. Are there any major characters anywhere else? I mean, there are three Cylon models + Boomer in the Cylon fleet but they're not exactly good candidates. Did we leave someone behind somewhere? Surely, the final Cylon isn't dead. It has to be a major character. I guess it has to be one of Helo/Roslin/Baltar. I think that Roslin would be the most likely of those. The 3's question could have been meant in earnest. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 15:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm stretching this, but the five are supposed to find the way to earth. Chief, Sam and Tigh find the Viper (this could also make Starbuck a Cylon) and Roslin gives the final go for jump. There is a problem with Tory, she does nothing. --[[User:Laisak|Laisak]] 14:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Tory can't do anything because the call summons her to ''Galactica'', where Starbuck's Viper is. Obviously, she's disconnected from the rest of the Four, so she has the adverse reaction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 16:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> What about Hera? D'anna was only &quot;interested&quot; in the four, and that way opened the door for another less important (for now) cylon......<br /> <br /> == Earth - Speculation ==<br /> <br /> Kara Thrace is the harbinger of death, according to the hybrid. She is also the only character we know has been to Earth. What if she triggered a series of events that led to the destruction of the 13th tribe? She probably isn't the 5th, but she's something else. I think she's playing the character of Krishna for those of you who've read Bhagavad Gita, but at the same time her connections to the arrow of Apollo make me think she might be Arjuna. In either case, her counterpart would be the 5th.<br /> <br /> What is hard to explain is her viper. How does it explode visibly and then come back in mint condition in the nebula? Vipers don't have FTL either, so everything seems weird.<br /> <br /> * International Space Station and satellites probably wouldn't be affected by nuclear war<br /> * They can't all be dead - there's got to be somebody alive from the 13th tribe.<br /> * New York, sure, but who would waste a nuke on New Jersey? (*grin*)<br /> <br /> --[[User:Smari|Smari]] 14:45, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ISS and other spacecraft in low-earth orbit will see their orbits decay within a decade (or even less) due to atmospheric drag without periodic reboosts (the demise of Skylab in 1979 is a perfect example of this). Even satellites in pretty high Earth orbit will fall back to Earth within a few hundred years - assuming that a significantly long time has elapsed since whatever happened on Earth, the only stuff left in orbit will be stuff out at the Clarke (geosynchronous) orbit. <br /> <br /> --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 15:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Perhaps, but not much time has passed in the fleet, yet the plants growing on the ruins suggest the event was a long time ago. However, there was a time discrepancy associated with Kara's previous visit.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Locating Earth based on just a bearing ==<br /> <br /> There's a comment made in the main article stating that making a precision jump based solely on a bearing seems unlikely. It doesn't seem to me like this would necessarily be the case. Based on the bearing, Galactica should be able to scan in that direction, looking for solar systems. From there, they could scan for inhabitable planets. Assuming they truly are in our solar system, that narrows it down to one planet. We know that Colonial FTLs are capable of some extremely precise jumps, so jumping into orbit doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.<br /> <br /> The part that seems unlikely to me is that the fleet has been haphazardly stumbling around all this time jumping from point to point, several hundred jumps from the 12 Colonies. Now the Fleet is within jump range of Earth, without even knowing exactly where they were going.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Scionic|Scionic]] 16:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is it Earth at all? ==<br /> Is the planet actually Earth? No recognisable land masses are visible from orbit, unlike in &quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;. The ruins look vaguely like Brooklyn and the Temple of Aurora, but it's inconclusive. The only thing conclusive is the star patterns match. Perhaps this is another pointer along the way. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 16:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Revelations&diff=163415 2008-06-15T15:42:04Z

<p>Xlynx: edit conflict, grammar</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=4x10 - Revelations - Promo 1.jpg<br /> | title= Revelations<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 10<br /> | forumthread= 1300<br /> | extra=Mid-Season Cliffhanger<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] &lt;br/&gt;<br /> [[David Weddle]] <br /> | story=<br /> | director=[[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=412<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=13 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate=13 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=17 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39673<br /> | population=39665<br /> | prev= [[The Hub]]<br /> | next= [[Sometimes a Great Notion]]<br /> | imdb=0993911<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Lead by [[Number Three]], the band of rebel Cylons hold President Roslin and ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; pilots hostage while attempting to lure the &quot;Watchtower Four&quot; out of hiding. Meanwhile, [[Kara Thrace]]'s Viper may hold a previously undiscovered clue to finding [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> <br /> *[[Lee Adama]] is in [[William Adama|William Adama's]] quarters, looking up an illustration of the Temple of [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] on Earth, as described by [[Pythia]]. [[Kara Thrace]] walks in an greets him, and they briefly discuss the temple, and the absence of William Adama and [[Laura Roslin]]. Adama comments on how both he and Tigh are intimidated by Adama's chair. Thrace talks about how [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] stated that, for children to reach their full potential, their parents have to die.<br /> *In the [[Basestar command|basestar control room]], Roslin, William Adama, [[D'Anna Biers]] and Leoben discuss the plans to return the [[Final Five]]. Biers mentions that there are only four in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] and refuses to provide answers when Roslin questions her about the fifth's location. When Adama asks for their names, she expresses skepticism, suggesting that the Colonials may kill them. Roslin points out that the Colonials need them because they know the way to Earth, while Leoben recommends co-operation and D'Anna refutes him, citing the [[Exodus, Part II|failure]] of [[Occupation|co-operation]] on [[New Caprica]].<br /> *Biers announces that she will hold the Colonials on the ship hostage until the Final Four are safely aboard the basestar. When a standoff between the Colonials and the Centurions ensues, Roslin tells Adama to stand down and he repeats the order to the other pilots. Three tells Adama to accompany her to ''[[Galactica]]'' on a Raptor. He initially refuses, but Roslin tells him to go. She embraces him and whispers in his ear that if the Cylons get the four, they get [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and he can't allow that to happen, even if he has to destroy the basestar with them aboard.<br /> *In [[CIC]], [[Felix Gaeta]] - having returned to duty despite still having problems with his [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner|amputated leg]] - accidentally knocks over a bottle of pills. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] helps him by picking up the pill bottle. Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] asks Gaeta if he wishes to be relieved, but he declines and takes a drink to numb the pain.<br /> *Gaeta then announces the arrival of the rebel baseship and that a Raptor launched from it. On the [[hangar deck]], Adama and Three step out of the Raptor. [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] look on from the catwalk, wondering whether Three can or will identify them. While William Adama greets his son, Three steps off the Raptor and looks at each of the Final Four.<br /> *William Adama and Biers explain the situation. Biers claims that she is already in contact with the four, that they would come to her willingly and that all the Fleet needs to do is not interfere with shuttle traffic. The Adamas agree to her terms. As Three is about to leave, [[Tory Foster]] steps forward, asking to bring Roslin her medication and see if she is alright. Knowing that she wants to defect, Tigh tries to prevent her from going by saying that they shouldn't give the Cylons more hostages, but he is overruled by the Adamas.<br /> *In the Adama's quarters, William and Lee Adama, Tigh and Thrace discuss a plan to rescue the hostages. The admiral mentions Roslin's recommendation, but tells his son that it is his call. President Adama agrees.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *The Adamas, [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], Starbuck and Tigh discuss plans for the rescue, Dualla is also present. Tigh expresses skepticism, saying there have to be other options, and Starbuck sarcastically comments that the four could give themselves up.<br /> *On the basestar, Tory is led to the Basestar control room. D'Anna announces that one of the Final Five has arrived. Leoben expresses doubt, D'Anna attests that she saw her in her vision, and Tory smiles.<br /> *In another room, Roslin bandages [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] and he thanks her for not killing him, but Roslin confesses she told Adama to destroy the basestar if they get the four.<br /> *Foster walks in with a [[Number Six|Six]], greeting them and bringing Roslin her medication. Roslin thanks her, and asks how she was able to do so, and Tory says that she came with D'Anna to be with her people.<br /> *Baltar attests that he knew, at least subconsciously, that she was one of the Final Five.<br /> *When asked if she had any idea, Roslin says no, and Tory tells her it might be worth pondering other things she's been wrong about, then starts to walk out.<br /> *Roslin tells Tory to stop, and asks her to convince D'Anna to release the hostages. Tory coldly replies that she's done taking orders from her.<br /> *A body flies out of the baseship. In CIC, Lee receives a transmission form D'Anna, who announces that there has been a change of plans, that she has executed the first hostage, and that she will continue to execute hostages every quarter hour until they have the four. Lee tries to reason with D'Anna, attesting that she's not giving them a chance and they are co-operating, but Dualla states that D'Anna has terminated the transmission. Lee okays the rescue mission.<br /> *In the hangar, as the pilots and deck crew prepare for the mission, Tyrol begins hearing [[All Along The Watchtower|The Music]], heavily distorted by screeching and static.<br /> *In a [[pilot ready rooms|pilot ready room]], as Starbuck and Athena brief the pilots, Anders likewise hears the music.<br /> *Tigh in CIC and Foster on the rebel Basestar likewise hear the distorted music. Foster falls into Leoben's arms, he asks her what's wrong, and she says she's [[Crossroads, Part II|&quot;hearing it again&quot;]].<br /> *Anders, Tigh and Tyrol are drawn to [[Starbuck's Viper]], Tyrol suggests that something about the Viper has changed, and Anders suggests they get Starbuck. Tigh agrees, then walks out.<br /> *Tigh walks into William Adama's office, telling him to scrub the mission. Adama asks if Tigh has another option. Tigh confesses that he has known he is a Cylon since the [[Ionian Nebula]], and he should have told Adama but he didn't have the guts. <br /> *Adama expresses doubt, suggesting that he could've been brainwashed on New Caprica and says they should see Cottle. Tigh says he should have airlocked himself when he found out, and suggests that D'Anna will back down if he is used as a hostage.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *As [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] take Tigh to the airlock, William Adama rampages through his office and drinks heavily.<br /> *As Adama cries, Lee attempts to comfort him. Bill says he can't kill Tigh, and Lee promises to handle things.<br /> *In the airlock, Lee interrogates Tigh, demanding to know who the other Cylons are.<br /> *Dualla announces that D'Anna is on the line. Lee threatens to kill Tigh if she harms one of the hostages, and says that she has ten minutes before he kills him.<br /> *Lee tells Tigh to give him the identities of the rest of the Final Four in order to save the fleet.<br /> *Around Starbuck's Viper, Kara expresses doubt about Anders and Tyrol's suspicion regarding the viper. Marines arrest Anders and Tyrol, when questioned by Starbuck, Sergeant Harder says that they're Cylons like the XO. Kara questions Anders, Tyrol tells him to tell her, and Anders tells her it's true. As he is dragged away, Anders insists that something is different about the Viper.<br /> *On the basestar, an [[Number Eight|Eight]] and two Centurions force the captured pilots down a hallway, [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] tells the pilots to fall back, and the Eight threatens to shoot them if they don't keep moving.<br /> *In the airlock, Anders concludes that Tigh told Lee that they were Cylons. Lee orders Dualla to get the baseship on the line.<br /> *Starbuck gets into her Viper.<br /> *On the baseship, Roslin and Baltar hear the hostages and Centurions. A [[Number Two|Two]] walks in and Roslin asks what's going on. The Two says that D'Anna is about to start executing more hostages, Roslin requests that she be taken to D'Anna. Baltar insists that D'Anna won't listen to her, and that he be taken instead because he was with her when she had the vision in the [[Temple of Five]]. Roslin agrees.<br /> *Lee tells D'Anna that he has Anders and Tyrol in the airlock, and demands that D'Anna stand down.<br /> *Starbuck begins activating her Viper's systems.<br /> *Foster tells D'Anna that she knows Lee, and he will back down if pressured. D'Anna gives an order to target nuclear weapons on the civilian fleet. Baltar walks in and begins begins talking to D'Anna.<br /> *Starbuck continues to activate her Viper, and detects a signal.<br /> *Baltar argues that coercion won't work because he's too similar to his father, while Foster argues that he's bluffing.<br /> *Dualla tells Lee that the baseship's nukes have gone hot, Lee and Dualla conclude that the fleet couldn't spool up their [[FTL|jump drives]] quickly enough to escape before the Cylons fire. Lee orders that everyone except Tigh be removed from the tube.<br /> *Baltar suggests that [[God (RDM)|God]] may have brought D'Anna back for a different purpose, to end the conflict peacefully. D'Anna argues that the Colonials will never forgive the Cylons for [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|what they did to the Twelve Colonies]], and gives an order to proceed.<br /> *As the launch tube door closes, Starbuck runs through the ship.<br /> *Baltar argues to D'Anna that brute force did not work for the Cylons on [[New Caprica]] or the [[algae planet]], and that it will not work now.<br /> *Lee asks Dualla for the key and begins the process of activating the launch tube.<br /> *An Eight announces that they have weapons lock on the Colonial ships.<br /> *Tigh tells Lee to stop hesitating and flush the airlock.<br /> *As Lee is about to push the button, Kara runs in, telling Lee to stop, saying that the Cylons just gave them [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *Lee sits in Starbuck's Viper, recognizing a Colonial emergency locator signal, and states that no other [[wireless]] in the fleet is picking it up. Kara argues to a skeptical Lee that it must be a signal from Earth, insisting that some higher power is orchestrating events for a purpose and wants the Colonials to find Earth with the Cylons.<br /> *Kara, Lee, the Final Four, D'Anna, marines and Centurions stand around Starbuck's Viper and an Eight sits inside.<br /> *They discuss the signal. Lee says that he decided to share the information with the Cylons rather than jump away because it would only lead to another confrontation, and argues that peace is possible and says that he has granted the Final Four an amnesty.<br /> *D'Anna agrees to release the hostages.<br /> *Lee shows his father the location of Earth, asking for orders, Roslin walks in and says she wants to see him pick up the first fistful of earth, he walks away saying that he'll be back.<br /> *Lee talks to Roslin about stepping down, and she praises him on resolving the crisis, and says the Fleet will need that kind of leadership in the years to come.<br /> *Admiral Adama returns in uniform, saying they should find Earth, Lee states that he has been working on a recon mission with Kara, the Admiral says that everyone should go together, that they don't have anywhere else to go, and that the alliance will fall apart if they hesitate too long. In his view, they need to [[The Hand of God (RDM)|roll the hard six]], again.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *In CIC Dualla announces that the Fleet is ready to jump. Admiral Adama tells Roslin that they wouldn't have made it without her and asks her to give the order. She does so. Dualla counts down and the Fleet jumps. <br /> *The entire Fleet - now including the rebel Basestar - successfully jumps. Adama tells Gaeta to take his time with confirming their location.<br /> *Gaeta announces that the constellations match.<br /> *Indeed, the Fleet is in front of a blue planet, namely Earth.<br /> *Adama makes a speech to the fleet, announcing that they have arrived at Earth. There is celebration throughout the fleet.<br /> *A detachment of Vipers, Raptors, and Heavy Raiders fly into the atmosphere, escorting two [[Gemenon Traveler]] type ships to the surface.<br /> *On Earth, Adama lifts up a handful of soil. Someone next to him reads the dirt with a [[w:Geiger counter|Geiger counter]]. The soil is irradiated. <br /> *Laura Roslin stands next to Adama, disappointed. <br /> *Many others, including [[Karl Agathon|Karl]] &amp; Sharon Agathon, Gaius Baltar, Lee Adama, the Final Four, and the Cylons are on the surface as well, walking and standing around what appears to be the ruins of an unknown city, apparently having been destroyed as a result of a nuclear holocaust. The question they are probably asking themselves is, &quot;what happened to Earth?&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> <br /> * This episode is the mid-season cliffhanger for the first ten episodes of [[Season 4 (2008-09)|Season 4]]. The conclusion to the cliffhanger, &quot;[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]&quot;, will not air until 2009.<br /> * The episode was given an advance screening in Los Angeles on Wednesday, June 11th, in order to draw attention for the upcoming Emmy Award nominations. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html|title='Battlestar Galactica' Hosting Free Screening In L.A.}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * As D'Anna Biers executes one prisoner during the course of the episode, the population of the Fleet when it arrives at Earth is 39,664, not counting the Significant Seven Cylons who have now joined them.<br /> <br /> == Analysis == <br /> * D'Anna Biers holding the Colonial personnel hostage isn't aimed so much as to President Adama and the government, as it is to the remaining three of the Final Four who choose to remain behind. When Foster moves to defect under the guise of giving Roslin her medicine, Colonel Tigh speaks up to prevent her from going. This earns Tigh and the other two who refuse to come forward Biers's enmity and she begins killing their crew mates until they join the Cylons<br /> * How [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] came to the state which the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] found it in is uncertain. Given that the landing party tests the soil with a Geiger counter, and the ruins they come across appear to be from a nuclear blast, it is likely that some nuclear event occurred on Earth. Together with the clear remnants of a modern civilization, this means that the series is set in the future and not the past (barring that is is set in an alternate universe).<br /> * Assuming that a nuclear event was responsible for the current condition of Earth, it appears that it happened a considerable number of years, if not decades or hundreds of years, ago. Less than a week after the Cylon bombardment, the planet [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] had turned yellowish-brown from dust blasted into the atmosphere, creating a [[w:nuclear winter|nuclear winter]] ([[33]]). Nine months later, someone on Caprica would have still seen yellow skies ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). Although the soil of Earth at the landing site is radioactive, the skies are a natural foggy/cloudy gray, and the view from orbit is of a blue-white world.<br /> * The area the landing party arrives at appears to be the Brooklyn side of New York City. The landing party is next to a broad river and across that river to the left is a wide bay. The other shore appears to be the edge of Lower Manhattan with a destroyed skyline of buildings. The camera pans to the right over what is ostensibly the East River until the last two seconds of the episode where at the far right edge of the screen stands a wrecked structure with a heavily abbreviated roadway. It appears to be the East Tower (Brooklyn side) of the Brooklyn Bridge. However, it should be noted that the information on this is incomplete. For instance, many speculations as to the gas giant that [[Kara Thrace]] sees in her journey from Earth (as first explained in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;) claimed that the giant was [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]], when this was [[Faith|later disproved]].<br /> * That the Fleet can plot a jump directly into Earth's orbit with just a bearing is likely dramatic license. With no clear idea about the origin and full nature of the signal, they shouldn't be able to determine the exact distance to its source.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> <br /> * Is [[Number Three]] honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the [[Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?<br /> * What of the other [[Number One|Ones]], [[Number Four|Fours]], and [[Number Five|Fives]]? <br /> * What happened to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]?<br /> * Will the other Cylons find the Fleet and the rebels, as well as Earth? If so, will they finish [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|what they]] [[Cylon Civil War|started]]?<br /> * Where is the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]]?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt; &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt; &lt;!-- Please use one of the episode lists that is appropriate to this entry. --&gt; <br /> <br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> <br /> <br /> *''[[William Adama]] has a nervous breakdown after the discovering that his decade-long friend [[Saul Tigh]] is a Cylon. [[Lee Adama|His son]] finds him and drags his father's sobbing form to a bulkhead where he cradles his father from behind.''<br /> :'''William Adama:''' [Crying, Sobbing, despair...] <br /> :'''Lee Adama:''' [voice quavering]: Dad listen...No one suspected, no one! Not with his record. Not what he did on New Caprica. His eye... What happened to his wife... Come on, let's get up. <br /> :'''William:''' What have I done? [breathlessly] All of the people I've sent to die? For what? For what!?!<br /> :'''Lee:''' [quietly] For Earth...<br /> :'''William:''' [angrily]: There is no Earth. [Sobs] It is a frakkin' joke! There is no Earth! [Sobs] <br /> :'''Lee:''' Okay dad, listen to me...[firmer and takes his father face between his hands] Listen to me!! Pull it together!!<br /> :'''William:''' I can't...<br /> :'''Lee''' [frustrated]: Yes you can! Come on!<br /> :'''William:''' I can't....<br /> :'''Lee:''' [frustrated] Yes you ca...<br /> :'''William:''' I can't.... I can't kill him... I can't kill the bastard! I can't....<br /> :'''Lee:''' Okay, okay dad [he cradles his father's face]<br /> :'''William:''' I can't....<br /> :'''Lee:''' It's....It's gonna be okay....It's gonna be okay... I'll... I'll take care of it.. I'll take care of it [kisses his father's forehead].<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]<br /> * [[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]<br /> * [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]<br /> * [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]]<br /> * [[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br /> * [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hot Dog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as &quot;Baby Nicky&quot;)<br /> * [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<br /> * [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]]<br /> * [[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Vincent Gale]] as [[Peter Laird]]<br /> * [[Don Thompson]] as Specialist [[Anthony Figurski]]<br /> * [[Sonja Bennett]] as Specialist [[Marcie Brasko]]<br /> * [[Barry Nerling]] as Adama's Corporal<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=396]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}} <br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes_written_by_Bradley_Thompson]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes_written_by_David_Weddle]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:Revelations]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Revelations&diff=163413 2008-06-15T15:34:52Z

<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=4x10 - Revelations - Promo 1.jpg<br /> | title= Revelations<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 10<br /> | forumthread= 1300<br /> | extra=Mid-Season Cliffhanger<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] &lt;br/&gt;<br /> [[David Weddle]] <br /> | story=<br /> | director=[[Michael Rymer]]<br /> | production=412<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=13 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate=13 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=17 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39673<br /> | population=39665<br /> | prev= [[The Hub]]<br /> | next= [[Sometimes a Great Notion]]<br /> | imdb=0993911<br /> }} <br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Lead by [[Number Three]], the band of rebel Cylons hold President Roslin and ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; pilots hostage while attempting to lure the &quot;Watchtower Four&quot; out of hiding. Meanwhile, [[Kara Thrace]]'s Viper may hold a previously undiscovered clue to finding [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary ==<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> <br /> *[[Lee Adama]] is in [[William Adama|William Adama's]] quarters, looking up an illustration of the Temple of [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] on Earth, as described by [[Pythia]]. [[Kara Thrace]] walks in an greets him, and they briefly discuss the temple, and the absence of William Adama and [[Laura Roslin]]. Adama comments on how both he and Tigh are intimidated by Adama's chair. Thrace talks about how [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] stated that, for children to reach their full potential, their parents have to die.<br /> *In the [[Basestar command|basestar control room]], Roslin, William Adama, [[D'Anna Biers]] and Leoben discuss the plans to return the [[Final Five]]. Biers mentions that there are only four in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] and refuses to provide answers when Roslin questions her about the fifth's location. When Adama asks for their names, she expresses skepticism, suggesting that the Colonials may kill them. Roslin points out that the Colonials need them because they know the way to Earth, while Leoben recommends co-operation and D'Anna refutes him, citing the [[Exodus, Part II|failure]] of [[Occupation|co-operation]] on [[New Caprica]].<br /> *Biers announces that she will hold the Colonials on the ship hostage until the Final Four are safely aboard the basestar. When a standoff between the Colonials and the Centurions ensues, Roslin tells Adama to stand down and he repeats the order to the other pilots. Three tells Adama to accompany her to ''[[Galactica]]'' on a Raptor. He initially refuses, but Roslin tells him to go. She embraces him and whispers in his ear that if the Cylons get the four, they get [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and he can't allow that to happen, even if he has to destroy the basestar with them aboard.<br /> *In [[CIC]], [[Felix Gaeta]] - having returned to duty despite still having problems with his [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner|amputated leg]] - accidentally knocks over a bottle of pills. [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] helps him by picking up the pill bottle. Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] asks Gaeta if he wishes to be relieved, but he declines and takes a drink to numb the pain.<br /> *Gaeta then announces the arrival of the rebel baseship and that a Raptor launched from it. On the [[hangar deck]], Adama and Three step out of the Raptor. [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] look on from the catwalk, wondering whether Three can or will identify them. While William Adama greets his son, Three steps off the Raptor and looks at each of the Final Four.<br /> *William Adama and Biers explain the situation. Biers claims that she is already in contact with the four, that they would come to her willingly and that all the Fleet needs to do is not interfere with shuttle traffic. The Adamas agree to her terms. As Three is about to leave, [[Tory Foster]] steps forward, asking to bring Roslin her medication and see if she is alright. Knowing that she wants to defect, Tigh tries to prevent her from going by saying that they shouldn't give the Cylons more hostages, but he is overruled by the Adamas.<br /> *In the Adama's quarters, William and Lee Adama, Tigh and Thrace discuss a plan to rescue the hostages. Commander Adama mentions Roslin's recommendation, but tells his son that it his his call. President Adama agrees.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *The Adamas, [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], Starbuck and Tigh discuss plans for the rescue, Dualla is also present. Tigh expresses skepticism, saying there have to be other options, and Starbuck sarcastically comments that the four could give themselves up.<br /> *On the basestar, Tory is led to the Basestar control room. D'Anna announces that one of the Final Five has arrived. Leoben expresses doubt, D'Anna attests that she saw her in her vision, and Tory smiles.<br /> *In another room, Roslin bandages [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] and he thanks her for not killing him, but Roslin confesses she told Adama to destroy the basestar if they get the four.<br /> *Foster walks in with a [[Number Six|Six]], greeting them and bringing Roslin her medication. Roslin thanks her, and asks how she was able to do so, and Tory says that she came with D'Anna to be with her people.<br /> *Baltar attests that he knew, at least subconsciously, that she was one of the Final Five.<br /> *When asked if she had any idea, Roslin says no, and Tory tells her it might be worth pondering other things she's been wrong about, then starts to walk out.<br /> *Roslin tells Tory to stop, and asks her to convince D'Anna to release the hostages. Tory coldly replies that she's done taking orders from her.<br /> *A body flies out of the baseship. In CIC, Lee receives a transmission form D'Anna, who announces that there has been a change of plans, that she has executed the first hostage, and that she will continue to execute hostages every quarter hour until they have the four. Lee tries to reason with D'Anna, attesting that she's not giving them a chance and they are co-operating, but Dualla states that D'Anna has terminated the transmission. Lee okays the rescue mission.<br /> *In the hangar, as the pilots and deck crew prepare for the mission, Tyrol begins hearing [[All Along The Watchtower|The Music]], heavily distorted by screeching and static.<br /> *In a [[pilot ready rooms|pilot ready room]], as Starbuck and Athena brief the pilots, Anders likewise hears the music.<br /> *Tigh in CIC and Foster on the rebel Basestar likewise hear the distorted music. Foster falls into Leoben's arms, he asks her what's wrong, and she says she's [[Crossroads, Part II|&quot;hearing it again&quot;]].<br /> *Anders, Tigh and Tyrol are drawn to [[Starbuck's Viper]], Tyrol suggests that something about the Viper has changed, and Anders suggests they get Starbuck. Tigh agrees, then walks out.<br /> *Tigh walks into William Adama's office, telling him to scrub the mission. Adama asks if Tigh has another option. Tigh confesses that he has known he is a Cylon since the [[Ionian Nebula]], and he should have told Adama but he didn't have the guts. <br /> *Adama expresses doubt, suggesting that he could've been brainwashed on New Caprica and says they should see Cottle. Tigh says he should have airlocked himself when he found out, and suggests that D'Anna will back down if he is used as a hostage.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *As [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] take Tigh to the airlock, William Adama rampages through his office and drinks heavily.<br /> *As Adama cries, Lee attempts to comfort him. Bill says he can't kill Tigh, and Lee promises to handle things.<br /> *In the airlock, Lee interrogates Tigh, demanding to know who the other Cylons are.<br /> *Dualla announces that D'Anna is on the line. Lee threatens to kill Tigh if she harms one of the hostages, and says that she has ten minutes before he kills him.<br /> *Lee tells Tigh to give him the identities of the rest of the Final Four in order to save the fleet.<br /> *Around Starbuck's Viper, Kara expresses doubt about Anders and Tyrol's suspicion regarding the viper. Marines arrest Anders and Tyrol, when questioned by Starbuck, Sergeant Harder says that they're Cylons like the XO. Kara questions Anders, Tyrol tells him to tell her, and Anders tells her it's true. As he is dragged away, Anders insists that something is different about the Viper.<br /> *On the basestar, an [[Number Eight|Eight]] and two Centurions force the captured pilots down a hallway, [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] tells the pilots to fall back, and the Eight threatens to shoot them if they don't keep moving.<br /> *In the airlock, Anders concludes that Tigh told Lee that they were Cylons. Lee orders Dualla to get the baseship on the line.<br /> *Starbuck gets into her Viper.<br /> *On the baseship, Roslin and Baltar hear the hostages and Centurions. A [[Number Two|Two]] walks in and Roslin asks what's going on. The Two says that D'Anna is about to start executing more hostages, Roslin requests that she be taken to D'Anna. Baltar insists that D'Anna won't listen to her, and that he be taken instead because he was with her when she had the vision in the [[Temple of the Five]]. Roslin agrees.<br /> *Lee tells D'Anna that he has Anders and Tyrol in the airlock, and demands that D'Anna stand down.<br /> *Starbuck begins activating her Viper's systems.<br /> *Foster tells D'Anna that she knows Lee, and he will back down if pressured. D'Anna gives an order to target nuclear weapons on the civilian fleet. Baltar walks in and begins begins talking to D'Anna.<br /> *Starbuck continues to activate her Viper, and detects a signal.<br /> *Baltar argues that coercion won't work because he's too similar to his father, while Foster argues that he's bluffing.<br /> *Dualla tells Lee that the baseship's nukes have gone hot, Lee and Dualla conclude that the fleet couldn't spool up their [[FTL|jump drives]] quickly enough to escape before the Cylons fire. Lee orders that everyone except Tigh be removed from the tube.<br /> *Baltar suggests that [[God (RDM)|God]] may have brought D'Anna back for a different purpose, to end the conflict peacefully. D'Anna argues that the Colonials will never forgive the Cylons for [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|what they did to the Twelve Colonies]], and gives an order to proceed.<br /> *As the launch tube door closes, Starbuck runs through the ship.<br /> *Baltar argues to D'Anna that brute force did not work for the Cylons on [[New Caprica]] or the [[algae planet]], and that it will not work now.<br /> *Lee asks Dualla for the key and begins the process of activating the launch tube.<br /> *An Eight announces that they have weapons lock on the Colonial ships.<br /> *Tigh tells Lee to stop hesitating and flush the airlock.<br /> *As Lee is about to push the button, Kara runs in, telling Lee to stop, saying that the Cylons just gave them [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *Lee sits in Starbuck's Viper, recognizing a Colonial emergency locator signal, and states that no other [[wireless]] in the fleet is picking it up. Kara argues to a skeptical Lee that it must be a signal from Earth, insisting that some higher power is orchestrating events for a purpose and wants the Colonials to find Earth with the Cylons.<br /> *Kara, Lee, the Final Four, D'Anna, marines and Centurions stand around Starbuck's Viper and an Eight sits inside.<br /> *They discuss the signal. Lee says that he decided to share the information with the Cylons rather than jump away because it would only lead to another confrontation, and argues that peace is possible and says that he has granted the Final Four an amnesty.<br /> *D'Anna agrees to release the hostages.<br /> *Lee shows his father the location of Earth, asking for orders, Roslin walks in and says she wants to see him pick up the first fistful of earth, he walks away saying that he'll be back.<br /> *Lee talks to Roslin about stepping down, and she praises him on resolving the crisis, and says the Fleet will need that kind of leadership in the years to come.<br /> *Admiral Adama returns in uniform, saying they should find Earth, Lee states that he has been working on a recon mission with Kara, the Admiral says that everyone should go together, that they don't have anywhere else to go, and that the alliance will fall apart if they hesitate too long. In his view, they need to [[The Hand of God (RDM)|roll the hard six]], again.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> {{cleanup}}<br /> *In CIC Dualla announces that the Fleet is ready to jump. Admiral Adama tells Roslin that they wouldn't have made it without her and asks her to give the order. She does so. Dualla counts down and the Fleet jumps. <br /> *The entire Fleet - now including the rebel Basestar - successfully jumps. Adama tells Gaeta to take his time with confirming their location.<br /> *Gaeta announces that the constellations match.<br /> *Indeed, the Fleet is in front of a blue planet, namely Earth.<br /> *Adama makes a speech to the fleet, announcing that they have arrived at Earth. There is celebration throughout the fleet.<br /> *A detachment of Vipers, Raptors, and Heavy Raiders fly into the atmosphere, escorting two [[Gemenon Traveler]] type ships to the surface.<br /> *On Earth, Adama lifts up a handful of soil. Someone next to him reads the dirt with a [[w:Geiger counter|Geiger counter]]. The soil is irradiated. <br /> *Laura Roslin stands next to Adama, disappointed. <br /> *Many others, including [[Karl Agathon|Karl]] &amp; Sharon Agathon, Gaius Baltar, Lee Adama, the Final Four, and the Cylons are on the surface as well, walking and standing around what appears to be the ruins of an unknown city, apparently having been destroyed as a result of a nuclear holocaust. The question they are probably asking themselves is, &quot;what happened to Earth?&quot;<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> <br /> * This episode is the mid-season cliffhanger for the first ten episodes of [[Season 4 (2008-09)|Season 4]]. The conclusion to the cliffhanger, &quot;[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]&quot;, will not air until 2009.<br /> * The episode was given an advance screening in Los Angeles on Wednesday, June 11th, in order to draw attention for the upcoming Emmy Award nominations. &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://syfyportal.com/news425104.html|title='Battlestar Galactica' Hosting Free Screening In L.A.}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * As D'Anna Biers executes one prisoner during the course of the episode, the population of the Fleet when it arrives at Earth is 39,664, not counting the Significant Seven Cylons who have now joined them.<br /> <br /> == Analysis == <br /> * D'Anna Biers holding the Colonial personnel hostage isn't aimed so much as to President Adama and the government, as it is to the remaining three of the Final Four who choose to remain behind. When Foster moves to defect under the guise of giving Roslin her medicine, Colonel Tigh speaks up to prevent her from going. This earns Tigh and the other two who refuse to come forward Biers's enmity and she begins killing their crew mates until they join the Cylons<br /> * How [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] came to the state which the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] found it in is uncertain. Given that the landing party tests the soil with a Geiger counter, and the ruins they come across appear to be from a nuclear blast, it is likely that some nuclear event occurred on Earth. Together with the clear remnants of a modern civilization, this means that the series is set in the future and not the past (barring that is is set in an alternate universe).<br /> * Assuming that a nuclear event was responsible for the current condition of Earth, it appears that it happened a considerable number of years, if not decades or hundreds of years, ago. Less than a week after the Cylon bombardment, the planet [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] had turned yellowish-brown from dust blasted into the atmosphere, creating a [[w:nuclear winter|nuclear winter]] ([[33]]). Nine months later, someone on Caprica would have still seen yellow skies ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). Although the soil of Earth at the landing site is radioactive, the skies are a natural foggy/cloudy gray, and the view from orbit is of a blue-white world.<br /> * The area the landing party arrives at appears to be the Brooklyn side of New York City. The landing party is next to a broad river and across that river to the left is a wide bay. The other shore appears to be the edge of Lower Manhattan with a destroyed skyline of buildings. The camera pans to the right over what is ostensibly the East River until the last two seconds of the episode where at the far right edge of the screen stands a wrecked structure with a heavily abbreviated roadway. It appears to be the East Tower (Brooklyn side) of the Brooklyn Bridge. However, it should be noted that the information on this is incomplete. For instance, many speculations as to the gas giant that [[Kara Thrace]] sees in her journey from Earth (as first explained in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;) claimed that the giant was [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]], when this was [[Faith|later disproved]].<br /> * That the Fleet can plot a jump directly into Earth's orbit with just a bearing is likely dramatic license. With no clear idea about the origin and full nature of the signal, they shouldn't be able to determine the exact distance to its source.<br /> <br /> == Questions ==<br /> <br /> * Is [[Number Three]] honest in her claim that there are only four of the Final Five in the [[Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]? If so, where is the fifth and last Cylon? If she's lying, is it because she still harbors distrust for her compatriots and the humans?<br /> * What of the other [[Number One|Ones]], [[Number Four|Fours]], and [[Number Five|Fives]]? <br /> * What happened to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]?<br /> * Will the other Cylons find the Fleet and the rebels, as well as Earth? If so, will they finish [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|what they]] [[Cylon Civil War|started]]?<br /> * Where is the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]]?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements ==<br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt; &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt; &lt;!-- Please use one of the episode lists that is appropriate to this entry. --&gt; <br /> <br /> &lt;br&gt; <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> <br /> <br /> *''[[William Adama]] has a nervous breakdown after the discovering that his decade-long friend [[Saul Tigh]] is a Cylon. [[Lee Adama|His son]] finds him and drags his father's sobbing form to a bulkhead where he cradles his father from behind.''<br /> :'''William Adama:''' [Crying, Sobbing, despair...] <br /> :'''Lee Adama:''' [voice quavering]: Dad listen...No one suspected, no one! Not with his record. Not what he did on New Caprica. His eye... What happened to his wife... Come on, let's get up. <br /> :'''William:''' What have I done? [breathlessly] All of the people I've sent to die? For what? For what!?!<br /> :'''Lee:''' [quietly] For Earth...<br /> :'''William:''' [angrily]: There is no Earth. [Sobs] It is a frakkin' joke! There is no Earth! [Sobs] <br /> :'''Lee:''' Okay dad, listen to me...[firmer and takes his father face between his hands] Listen to me!! Pull it together!!<br /> :'''William:''' I can't...<br /> :'''Lee''' [frustrated]: Yes you can! Come on!<br /> :'''William:''' I can't....<br /> :'''Lee:''' [frustrated] Yes you ca...<br /> :'''William:''' I can't.... I can't kill him... I can't kill the bastard! I can't....<br /> :'''Lee:''' Okay, okay dad [he cradles his father's face]<br /> :'''William:''' I can't....<br /> :'''Lee:''' It's....It's gonna be okay....It's gonna be okay... I'll... I'll take care of it.. I'll take care of it [kisses his father's forehead].<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]<br /> * [[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]<br /> * [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]]<br /> * [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]]<br /> * [[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br /> * [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hot Dog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]<br /> * [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]<br /> * [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as &quot;Baby Nicky&quot;)<br /> * [[Don Thompson]] as [[Anthony Figurski]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]<br /> * [[Heather Doerksen]] as Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]]<br /> * [[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> * [[Vincent Gale]] as [[Peter Laird]]<br /> * [[Don Thompson]] as Specialist [[Anthony Figurski]]<br /> * [[Sonja Bennett]] as Specialist [[Marcie Brasko]]<br /> * [[Barry Nerling]] as Adama's Corporal<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=396]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size: 85%;&quot;&gt;&lt;references /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}} <br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes_written_by_Bradley_Thompson]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes_written_by_David_Weddle]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[ms:Revelations]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Hub/Archive_1&diff=163121 2008-06-13T17:12:44Z

<p>Xlynx: </p> <hr /> <div>{{newsection link}}<br /> <br /> ==Picture==<br /> <br /> Where is it from? Are there more? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :http://www.bsg.cz/4-09-hub-promofotky-3 -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: Thanks! I wonder why there are none for Sine Qua Non so far. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::: Can anyone identify the gun Cavil is holding there? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 14:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::: Looks like a Walther PPK actually...the shape of it is a dead giveaway. -- [[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 09:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::: Maybe we should change the picture; unless I missed it (which seems unlikely, as I pay extra attention when Cavil's on screen), that scene didn't make the final cut of the episode. Something from the episode would be nice: the Hub, D'Anna, maybe even Elosha. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::: Read my mind. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==The The==<br /> The SciFi website omits the preceeding &quot;The&quot; from the episode title. Just bringing it up because I'm of a lower class with no ability to move pages and the such. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 11:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;The Hub&quot; was confirmed by Bradley Thompson, so I guess it's the correct title. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 15:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::NBC Universal's Media Village says &quot;Hub&quot;, too, and they were right with the one-L &quot;Traveled&quot;, too. &quot;Hub&quot; would be a painfully dull title, though. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::How did these two sites report &quot;'''The''' Road Less Traveled&quot;? With our without the &quot;the&quot;? In this case, it's obviously a Biblical quote and the &quot;The&quot; is clearly supposed to be there. And yeah, no one in their right mind would call an episode &quot;Hub&quot;. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 18:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::''no one in their right mind would call an episode &quot;Hub&quot;.'' – Eh... why not? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 03:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> The episode is titled &quot;The Hub&quot;... we knew this months ago, thanks to [[BW:OC|our own source]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Teaser==<br /> I'm sure anyone who's seen this knows by now, but just in case... In the teaser from &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;, D'anna says something like &quot;You didn't know you were one of the final five&quot;, then' Laura Roslin is shown.<br /> I avoid spoiler blogs &amp; the like, so I don't know: Intentional, or too obvious? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 04:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That could easily be some clever editing. As we saw in Sine Qua Non, the conversation between Tigh and Adama was much longer before Tigh hit Adama, but the preview made it look like Tigh hits him right after Adama asks him what he was thinking re: C-Six. There are no guarantees that those two share a scene in the episode, but we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:Kevin W.|&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400&quot;&gt;Kevin W.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;&amp;bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #DC143C &quot;&gt;So say we all&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Yeah. Drawing anything from this is completely ridiculous. Promos are often very misleading. Sometimes deliberately, but often there just isn't the time to convey any real meaning. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::IMO she's probably talking to Anders. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't think Anders is there. I think she's messing with Roslin. We know they share scenes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Anders ain't anywhere, it seems... Odd. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Callum Keith Rennie is in the episode ==<br /> <br /> He appears right at the beginning, when everyone is still kind of hanging around the hybrid.<br /> : You're right. He doesn't have any lines though. Also, I'm pretty sure that's the same footage from the episode where they first jump away. I guess they couldn't get him for the episode, but he got credit for standing around he'd done already. I don't have the earlier episode on me right now. Can anyone confirm that is the same scene (and not a reshoot), and then we can update the details about CKR's absence. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: The scenes are from &quot;Guess What's Coming For Dinner?&quot;... there's nothing new there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rebuilding the hub? ==<br /> <br /> &gt; Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another?<br /> &gt; Are the Cylons capable of building a new Hub, and if so, how long it would it take them? <br /> <br /> My personal theory is - they can have more than one, and they can rebuild it, but it takes considerable time and resources, too much to have another one ready before the end of the war.<br /> <br /> On the other hand - maybe it is possible to modify / reconfigure Res Ships to not require the Hub to coordinate them?<br /> <br /> [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 04:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Maybe the reason the cylons cannot rebuild it, is because it was built by whoever pogrammed/created the humanoid cylons in the first place, and they just weren't implanted with the knowledge required (similar to the knowledge of the final five). This may be evidenced by the fact that the resurrection facilities share a different design &quot;philosophy&quot; than the rest of the cylon fleet. [[User:Raziel Anarki|Raziel Anarki]] 15:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: I though about that too, but somehow it just doesn't fit. I think operating / maintaining the resurrection ships, especially growing the spare bodies, keeping them in perfect condition and ready when needed, would require enough knowledge to rebuild it. Also note the resurrection ships are clearly both an important target and a limited resource, but there are no implications that they can't be rebuild. Cylons are able to dumb down the Raiders and smart up the Centurions, so it's not like they only use what they have, they obviously know a lot, even if not all, of their own inner workings. As for the knowledge of the final five - I think they have it, it's just repressed somehow, waiting for a trigger. I suspect when confronted with hard evidence they'll know &quot;just like that&quot;. Yes, I do realize these aren't exactly strong arguments. [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 13:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Airlocked? ==<br /> <br /> How come this page wasn't kept airlocked until the British release date, but Sine Qua Non was kept airlocked until the American and Canadian release date? I thought the entire point was to keep the page locked down until the episode had been fully released. Doesn't this portray double standards? [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 10:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : The episode was first released on Friday in America, not on Tuesday. (SciFi told SkyOne to not release the episode early... long story.) The point of locking down the pages is to prevent multiple people from bum-rushing the episode page after it had aired with edits, which degrades the performance of the wiki's server. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: Aye I know, and the British release date has been pushed back to Tuesday, so the roles are exactly reversed - what I'm saying is that last week the page was locked until the episode had aired in America, but this week it was unlocked straight after it was aired in America despite not having been aired in Britain yet. I thought another reason it was airlocked until the episode had aired in both areas was: &quot;Locking articles give everyone a chance to watch the episode before a wiki visit could spoil that.&quot; I'm just a bit confused as to why it's been un-locked prior to the episode being aired in Britain, is all. Edit: To follow on from this, does this mean it is okay in the future for me to un-airlock a page if it has been aired in Britain first but not America and Canada? Because that's basically what happened here... [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 14:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Let me put it to you this way, just over half of our audience is American. The other half is oversees, with less than a quarter of that half being from the UK. We actually get a lot more traffic from Canada and Germany than we do the UK... <br /> <br /> :::Further, we always airlocked the pages for the American airings, because that's when the Wiki is hardest hit... after US airings. Not UK airings. And, actually, &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; proved that, because the traffic was more evenly distributed between the two air dates for that episode. You can see some of this statistical data for yourself [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org here]. Also, to answer your question, you don't have the permissions needed to lock our unlock pages; that's an ability only the chiefs have. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == psych! ==<br /> <br /> Can we get Three's joke at Laura's expense in the Notable Dialogue section? I can't remember it word by word myself. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)`<br /> <br /> : There we go. What an amazing moment. If there's any problems with how I formatted it, feel free to tweak it. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 23:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deleted scene or misplaced promo image? ==<br /> I don't remember seeing Cavil holding a gun or wearing a hat, and we have had production number related misunderstandings before. Do we know that this image is from The Hub (episode 9, production number 411) and not [[Sometimes a Great Notion]] (episode 11, production number 413)? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's not a mistake. This is not the first time that promo images from (later) deleted scenes were released. For example &quot;[[Torn]]&quot; had one or two with Doral, Boomer, Six and Hera in a church, and &quot;[[A Measure of Salvation]]&quot; had a scene with Thrace interrogating Leoben. They are on the DVDs and summarized [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)|here]]. We should chose a different picture, but the other promo pics for the episode aren't really any good. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I can grab something from the HD version... Any ideas? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe a wide shot of the Cylon and human pilots assembling? -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Accessing other's memories ==<br /> <br /> *In the Analysis section there is this:<br /> <br /> :&quot;....However, earlier in Season 1, Agathon somehow has access to Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii's memories, but was never killed or resurrected in the Miniseries. There is no explanation for this, other than an inference that Cylons can share memories outside of the actual download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving Caprica is unknown.&quot;<br /> :----<br /> :It is right we never heard in the series how the then Caprica Sharon, now Sharon &quot;Athena&quot; Agathon, got a hold of Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii's memories but I think it is not much of a leap to say that as a undercover infiltration agent Valerii was killed a number of times at regular intevals by the Cylons off screen probably during her shore leaves. Tyrol and Valerii had a torrid relation ship for a long while before the attack we know. Valerii had been stationed on Galactica for two years prior to the attack, that is plenty of time to kill her repeatedly. We have seen how the Cylons were blasé about death and resurrection. Remember how the Three in the bombed parking garage casually offered to Caprica Six to kill her because C-6 had a broken leg? If they could do that then no big deal; just kill Boomer, her memories download in to the communal repository (as well as a new body) and send her off again thinking she was human. Meanwhile have the future Athena absorb somehow Boomer's memories. Now the question is how does a living Cylon absorb the downloaded memories. In fact, I think I will put that up as a new question. Does Athena-or the Eight in ''The Hub''-have to die first? Of course we will have to wait to see it in the series for these questions can be answered in canon. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: Well, this does not explain how Agathon has Valerii's memories of abandoning Karl Agathon on Caprica. There's really no wiggle room there for her to &quot;die&quot;, particularly as she lifts off with a bunch of survivors, including Boxey. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 06:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::It depends on the wording and context. Did she say that as a cover story? It could be, and I sure it is, as simple as other Cylon agents could had seen Helo and their agent Boomer part after he gave up his seat to Baltar and they told Athena by simple conversation about Boomer leaving Helo behind. We have seen the other Cylons observe Helo and they did report to each other verbally so I think it can be easy said that The Cylons simply told Athena just like a normal human would tell another human. I have to see either the scene or the transcript of the scene to be sure. What episode was that scene in? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> :::: Athena didn't verbally claim to have Boomer's memories of leaving Helo behind, she had a flashback to it. Boomer could conceivably have been killed sometime before returning with the refinery ship to the fleet, followed by a Raider, but we don't know if that's necessary. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::What episode was that? The flashback I mean. And what episode was the refinery ship she was coming back from in (I remember a lot but have forgotten a lot too). I'll check. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> :::::: The former, Flesh and Bone. The latter, the Miniseries. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Thanks! I will check it out. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Apologies for not discovering this discussion earlier, but I added&quot; [[Flesh and Bone]]&quot; (20 mins in) for the flashback and also &quot;[[Home, Part II]]&quot; (15 mins in) as Agathon's verbal description of having Boomer's memories. These seem to be the exceptions - in the later series, it's a &quot;download only&quot; thing. [[User:Serenity|Serenity]], you say &quot;[[Scar]]&quot; is also relevant? -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> ::::::::Depends on what you mean by relevant. It's just a very obvious example where she recalls Boomer's memories. Specifically her time as pilot on ''Galactica'' (&quot;Yeah, I remember. You were like a big sister to...&quot;). This is just about a few examples to illustrate the point. There may be more, but more than two or three aren't really necessary to say that such a thing did happen. It's not even necessary to find the earliest ones. But just listing the episodes and saying &quot;earlier in the series&quot; is probably better than just &quot;in Season 1&quot; -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::Again I have to answer someone through another person but it is necessary. To &quot;Xlynx&quot; and &quot;Noneofyourbusiness&quot;: I checked out the Flashback scene in &quot;Flesh and Bone&quot; of Caprica Sharon (Athena) running through the forest back to Helo after she was given orders to either settle down with him on Caprica of kill him. During her run back there was a montage of scenes. All of them were Athena's memories of her on Caprica with Helo-except one. The one is when she is depicted taking off in the Raptor leaving Helo behind. That was supposed to be Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii, not the future Athena. However, not to be difficult, that could had been a production error since it is so brief and so far the only example. Is there another example if so then one can start to say it means something but I admit it is there. <br /> :::::::::As to the when she was in her sell in ''Home, part II'' of her reminiscing with Starbuck in her cell, sure she has Boomer's memories of Starbuck being a big sister to her no one disputes that Cylons shared memories; it was '''''HOW''''' they do it, touch telepathy, remote telepathy or only though asorbing memories after someone dowloads. In this case the &quot;Big Sister&quot; memory of Boomer's there is nothing to specifiy when that memory happened. It could had happened anytime before the attack in the two years Boomer was stationed on Galactica and Athena could had accessed Boomer's &quot;Big Sister&quot; memories any time before the attack as well. Boomer's memories as I said in and earlier post could had been downloaded in to a master database at regular intervals when Boomer was killed regularly delivering, unbeknownst to her, progress reports, so where her memories of Tyrol. Athena had plenty of time to access those.<br /> :::::::::What makes the brief flashback scene of Athena taking off and leaving Boomer behind on Caprica is that there wasn't apparently enough time for Boomer to be killed in transit with Baltar &amp; co. to Galactica and download her memories for Athena to absorb and Boomer to rejoin the fleet, but I said it could be a production error. Now I was told by &quot;Serenity&quot; that Boomer was sent to a refinery ship after dropping off Baltar and the other passengers on Galactica. That would be on Day 1 or 2 of the attack I ''think''. The Flashback scenes Athena was having on Caprica as she ran though the forest happened on day 25. It is conceivable that Boomer was killed between heading to or back from the refinery ship, downloading and then the Cylon repositioned with her new body to fly back to Galactica. <br /> :::::::::It is all a matter of timing. We have to track both Boomer's and Athena's movements in the first few days after the attack very carefully (it would only be a few days since Boomer would had had to stay with the Fleet at some point). Meanwhile until more evidence emerges either way I still lean to the explanation of a production error. Some editor got their Eights confused LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 03:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> ::::::::::Boomer dying, resurrecting and re-infiltrating the Galactica off-screen without being noticed on multiple occasions times is ''possible'', but IMO it's sufficiently implausible to count as [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]]. IMO the most likely explanations are that there is a non-lethal form of memory sharing or that the flashbacks were just the other Eight imagining or [[projection|projecting]] based on a description from one of Boomer's subconscious reports, and the flashbacks were in third person and completely accurate because third person flashbacks are one of the genre conventions of film and television, and because reusing existing footage for flashbacks is far easier than justifying the budget allocation necessary to re-shooting the scenes in first person, particularly if the latter option would require new set construction or greenscreening due to the fourth wall. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::::::None the less I watch the scene in which Athena flew back to the Refinery ship to escort it back to the fleet. on the way there she was alone, no one was with her and there is no time indication that I saw that showed how long she was gone, so it is at least plausible she could had been taken or her hidden Cylon programming activated to take a detour to a Baseship killed resurrected and sent back out to keep her appointment with the refinery ship. That way Athena could had had access to Boomer's download files almost at anytime in the next 23 or so days and incorporated Boomer's post attack memories into hers. I admit there is NO evidence for that but it is plausible especially with her hidden programing protocols taken into account. as to fanwanking, I am not saying this is for a fact what happened but discussing what is plausible given the evidence, the purpose of the discussion site. As to the fourth wall, well we know of some of BSG's history before the attack including that Boomer was a pilot for a long time before so we don't have to restrict our explanations to only to what was shown on screen, just keep it within the bounds of available evidence that HAS been shown on screen. If you believe that it is implausible for Boomer to have been killed multiple times off screen before the attack, then it is implausible for people to thing that the Cylons are touch or remote telepaths, because there has been nothing shown on screen to support that. And if there is no evidence of that then what is left? What we do know through the Eight's statement in ''The Hub'' about her absorbing Athena's memories after her last download. In order to do that a Cylon must die. That is the evidence that we have right now. Therefore Boomer must had died at some point between the Fleet and the refinery ship when she was alone in order for the future Athena to have that first hand memory of her taking off from Caprica and leaving Helo behind. And how do they absorb those memories? From the evidence we have now through a datastream. Is that a dead on certainly yet? No, but we have a '''''hell''''' of a lot more evidence for that than the telepath hypothesis. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> :::::::::::Agreed - whether a plot inconsistency or deliberate, it ''is'' implied on multiple occasions during the earlier seasons that memory sharing is possible without download, though there's still (intentionally) much mystery surrounding the Cylon's non-human abilities. To say there was both a production error in the flashback ''and'' unseen deaths is fabricating plot, so this topic should remain unless future episodes clarify these abilities. No one is saying it definitely happened, we're just saying there's an apparent inconsistency, and that is noteworthy. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::::::The scene in &quot;[[Home, Part II]]&quot; is actually when she's talking to Helo in their camp on Kobol. It's toward the 16 min mark. -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> It has often been implied that the Cylons have some easy (and invisible) way of sharing information with other members of their model. See [[Precipice#Analysis]] where Athena comments &quot;I'm not wired in. It doesn't work like that&quot;. When Boomer was a sleeper agent she could have been &quot;wired in&quot; without knowing it. Alternatively, another Cylon infiltrator in the fleet could somehow have accessed her memories and transmitted them at opportune moments. Alternatively, the part of Boomer who knew she was a Cylon could have transmitted information during the moments she was &quot;at the helm&quot;. I don't think it has ever been implied that death and resurrection is a necessary precondition for the sharing of memories. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 21:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I think there just was in ''The Hub'' itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download. I believe that '''''is''''' what the then called Caprica Sharon (Athena) meant when she told Roslin that &quot;....it doesn't work like that.&quot; The way it work is that a Cylon has to die download into the communal data bank and then the curious Cylon could absorb the resurrecting Cylons memories. I myself believe they have to stick their hand into a data stream just like they do when monitoring the Hybrid (and when Young William Adama in ''Razor'' stuck his hand in that primitive Cylon resurrection tank like pool just before the First Cylon War ended). <br /> :I read the Precipice Analysis and there is no evidence of a wireless transmittable way for Cylons to share memories at a distance, just a lot of speculation without evidence. If the Cylons could share info ESP like then Pegasus wouldn't had been so successful in their hit and run tactics against the Cylons with Gina on board; also Gina after she excaped could had told where Galactica was with out setting off a nuke. <br /> <br /> :Galactica be wouldn't had been able to hide even for a while with the Doral, Leoben and D'anna Biers in the fleet or an extended period of time. Instead, in the original miniseries they relied on a transmitter that Gaeta found that wasn't familiar equipment. <br /> <br /> :The Cylons in the movie theater on Caprica wouldn't had to rely on using Raiders to relay footage of Athena giving birth to know that she was alive. They would had known that by taping into D'anna's memory of her seeing her.<br /> <br /> :Now the Hybrid has some ESP powers because it sensed the distress of Natalie being shot and as the Eight said panicked and '''JUMP!'''(ed). Also humanoid Cylons can vaguely sense when their own kind is near, like how Caprica Six told Roslin that the Final Five was in the fleet but can't tell she was making love to one (Tigh). Similarly (almost) Athena couldn't tell Anders and Tyrol were two of the Finals when she spoke to the rookie Anders when they were about to go into battle in the nebula. However, I do concede that the Finals are different from the recently created Cylons, but then there is this case most tellingly: When the Fleet captured a Cavil after he came back from Caprica with the Caprican Resistance and Anders. He couldn't tell that they already had another One in custody (the one that consoled the troubled Tyrol). He tried to maintain his innocence until they opened a door and there he sat, the jig was up. All this tells me they can't anymore read each other's minds-even their own model's minds-anymore than we can. &quot;It doesn't work like that.&quot; [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::''I think there just was in The Hub itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download.'' Death and resurrection may be a ''sufficient'' condition without being a ''necessary'' one. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 08:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::None of this evidence refutes the possibility of voluntary memory sharing through datastream terminals or physical contact. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Could it be possible for two live Cylons to stick their hands in a data stream and absorb each other's memories? Sure, but my point and I think the point of the analysis was whether they had ESP like abilities. They didn't and circumstances say they don't. As for them being touch telepaths we have seen no evidence specifically to prevent that possibility but we also have seen no evidence to support it either. At least we have the evidence of them controlling the Hybrid with the data stream and my example of young William Adama putting his hand in a Cylon tank to support the possibility of them sharing memories like that. We have seen them talking among themselves like normal people sharing ideas that way. No Cylon Mind Meld. If they could share memories with a mere touch we would had seen it by now. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 02:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::We sort of have. Consider the behavior of the various distinct Cavil models at the beginning of season 3, in which Ellen uses sex with one Cavil to bribe a different one to release Saul. Also, consider the way individuals in each model seem empowered to act as &quot;speaker&quot; for the entire line without, as far as we've seen, conducting some kind of physical poll. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Not necessarily, we long known that the models act in unison, that they all think alike (except for the ones with extensive human contact) Individualism as we know it didn't exist with Cylons but that doesn't mean they use touch to convey memories and thoughts. And yes, they very like develop group consensus off screen polls within their model line and vote as a mass, but again not evidence of touch telepathy, just maybe great conference calling. :-) [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> What if the Eight who was shot in &quot;Faith&quot; who reached out to Athena for physical contact was attempting a memory transfer before she died? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :If they can transfer memories by touch, the Six in Faith could've transferred her memories to [[Natalie]]. Anyway, we know that Cylons can interface with [[datastream]] terminals by touch, we know that a living Cylon's knowledge and memories cannot be accessed against their will ([[Home, Part I]]), we know that the resurrection process produces some form of memory backup which other copies of the same model can access against their will ([[The Hub]]) and we know that the Eight who would become Sharon Agathon had some of Boomer's memories ([[Flesh and Bone]]). We don't know if Cylons can communicate with eachother through physical contact, and we don't know if memory sharing requires special equipment. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Don't forget young William Adama in ''[[Razor]]'' putting his hand in that tank and getting that flood of images, that is probably how the Eight accessed Athena's memory. To answer Peter Fargo through you (this is an awkward way to communicate): While anything is possible I think that moment was an intent to convey a certain human touch. That Athena has become so estranged from her people she even couldn't show affection to a fellow dying Cylon. Adama in ''[[Sine Qua Non]]'' alluded to how Athena regards her people when he accused her of hating her own kind so much that she will seize any opportunity to kill one. Anyway, if they could exchange information via touch they wouldn't waste time talking to each other, especially about critical matters but we have seen them talk, including about critical matters when they were alone on Baseships without humans to fool. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 11:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::To be honest, its probably best to accept that the writers will juggle around the rather ill-defined memory sharing thing to suit whatever dramatic purposes an episode needs. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't think it is ill defined at all. There is simply no situation that demonstrates telepathy, either touch like a Vulcan or remote like a pure blood Batazed (Dianna Troi's people on ''Star Trek: The Next Generation'') Even the case of Athena having the memory of leaving Helo behind when it should had been only Boomer's. I more or less closed because Athena was heading for the Refinery ship alone in her Raptor and the Cylons could had taken her, especially after a probe buzzed the Fleet. There is no time gauge as to how long she took between the fleet and the refinery ship so even that anomaly of Athena what clearly should had been only Boomer's memory could have a plausible explanation. 05:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Hub/Archive_1&diff=163075 2008-06-12T17:47:57Z

<p>Xlynx: </p> <hr /> <div>{{newsection link}}<br /> <br /> ==Picture==<br /> <br /> Where is it from? Are there more? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :http://www.bsg.cz/4-09-hub-promofotky-3 -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: Thanks! I wonder why there are none for Sine Qua Non so far. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::: Can anyone identify the gun Cavil is holding there? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 14:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::: Looks like a Walther PPK actually...the shape of it is a dead giveaway. -- [[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 09:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::: Maybe we should change the picture; unless I missed it (which seems unlikely, as I pay extra attention when Cavil's on screen), that scene didn't make the final cut of the episode. Something from the episode would be nice: the Hub, D'Anna, maybe even Elosha. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::: Read my mind. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==The The==<br /> The SciFi website omits the preceeding &quot;The&quot; from the episode title. Just bringing it up because I'm of a lower class with no ability to move pages and the such. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 11:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :&quot;The Hub&quot; was confirmed by Bradley Thompson, so I guess it's the correct title. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 15:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::NBC Universal's Media Village says &quot;Hub&quot;, too, and they were right with the one-L &quot;Traveled&quot;, too. &quot;Hub&quot; would be a painfully dull title, though. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::How did these two sites report &quot;'''The''' Road Less Traveled&quot;? With our without the &quot;the&quot;? In this case, it's obviously a Biblical quote and the &quot;The&quot; is clearly supposed to be there. And yeah, no one in their right mind would call an episode &quot;Hub&quot;. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 18:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::''no one in their right mind would call an episode &quot;Hub&quot;.'' – Eh... why not? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 03:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> The episode is titled &quot;The Hub&quot;... we knew this months ago, thanks to [[BW:OC|our own source]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Teaser==<br /> I'm sure anyone who's seen this knows by now, but just in case... In the teaser from &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;, D'anna says something like &quot;You didn't know you were one of the final five&quot;, then ''(spoiler; highlight)'' {{spoiltext|Laura Roslin is shown.}}<br /> I avoid spoiler blogs &amp; the like, so I don't know: Intentional, or too obvious? –[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 04:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :That could easily be some clever editing. As we saw in Sine Qua Non, the conversation between Tigh and Adama was much longer before Tigh hit Adama, but the preview made it look like Tigh hits him right after Adama asks him what he was thinking re: C-Six. There are no guarantees that those two share a scene in the episode, but we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:Kevin W.|&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-variant:small-caps;color: #006400&quot;&gt;Kevin W.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;]]&lt;sup&gt;&amp;bull;[[User talk:Kevin W.|&lt;span style=&quot;color: #DC143C &quot;&gt;So say we all&lt;/span&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; 18:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Yeah. Drawing anything from this is completely ridiculous. Promos are often very misleading. Sometimes deliberately, but often there just isn't the time to convey any real meaning. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::IMO she's probably talking to Anders. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::I don't think Anders is there. I think she's messing with Roslin. We know they share scenes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Anders ain't anywhere, it seems... Odd. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Callum Keith Rennie is in the episode ==<br /> <br /> He appears right at the beginning, when everyone is still kind of hanging around the hybrid.<br /> : You're right. He doesn't have any lines though. Also, I'm pretty sure that's the same footage from the episode where they first jump away. I guess they couldn't get him for the episode, but he got credit for standing around he'd done already. I don't have the earlier episode on me right now. Can anyone confirm that is the same scene (and not a reshoot), and then we can update the details about CKR's absence. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 02:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: The scenes are from &quot;Guess What's Coming For Dinner?&quot;... there's nothing new there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 03:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rebuilding the hub? ==<br /> <br /> &gt; Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another?<br /> &gt; Are the Cylons capable of building a new Hub, and if so, how long it would it take them? <br /> <br /> My personal theory is - they can have more than one, and they can rebuild it, but it takes considerable time and resources, too much to have another one ready before the end of the war.<br /> <br /> On the other hand - maybe it is possible to modify / reconfigure Res Ships to not require the Hub to coordinate them?<br /> <br /> [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 04:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Maybe the reason the cylons cannot rebuild it, is because it was built by whoever pogrammed/created the humanoid cylons in the first place, and they just weren't implanted with the knowledge required (similar to the knowledge of the final five). This may be evidenced by the fact that the resurrection facilities share a different design &quot;philosophy&quot; than the rest of the cylon fleet. [[User:Raziel Anarki|Raziel Anarki]] 15:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: I though about that too, but somehow it just doesn't fit. I think operating / maintaining the resurrection ships, especially growing the spare bodies, keeping them in perfect condition and ready when needed, would require enough knowledge to rebuild it. Also note the resurrection ships are clearly both an important target and a limited resource, but there are no implications that they can't be rebuild. Cylons are able to dumb down the Raiders and smart up the Centurions, so it's not like they only use what they have, they obviously know a lot, even if not all, of their own inner workings. As for the knowledge of the final five - I think they have it, it's just repressed somehow, waiting for a trigger. I suspect when confronted with hard evidence they'll know &quot;just like that&quot;. Yes, I do realize these aren't exactly strong arguments. [[User:Lilianne Blaze|Lilianne Blaze]] 13:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Airlocked? ==<br /> <br /> How come this page wasn't kept airlocked until the British release date, but Sine Qua Non was kept airlocked until the American and Canadian release date? I thought the entire point was to keep the page locked down until the episode had been fully released. Doesn't this portray double standards? [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 10:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> : The episode was first released on Friday in America, not on Tuesday. (SciFi told SkyOne to not release the episode early... long story.) The point of locking down the pages is to prevent multiple people from bum-rushing the episode page after it had aired with edits, which degrades the performance of the wiki's server. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 13:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: Aye I know, and the British release date has been pushed back to Tuesday, so the roles are exactly reversed - what I'm saying is that last week the page was locked until the episode had aired in America, but this week it was unlocked straight after it was aired in America despite not having been aired in Britain yet. I thought another reason it was airlocked until the episode had aired in both areas was: &quot;Locking articles give everyone a chance to watch the episode before a wiki visit could spoil that.&quot; I'm just a bit confused as to why it's been un-locked prior to the episode being aired in Britain, is all. Edit: To follow on from this, does this mean it is okay in the future for me to un-airlock a page if it has been aired in Britain first but not America and Canada? Because that's basically what happened here... [[User:Otterstat|Otterstat]] 14:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Let me put it to you this way, just over half of our audience is American. The other half is oversees, with less than a quarter of that half being from the UK. We actually get a lot more traffic from Canada and Germany than we do the UK... <br /> <br /> :::Further, we always airlocked the pages for the American airings, because that's when the Wiki is hardest hit... after US airings. Not UK airings. And, actually, &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; proved that, because the traffic was more evenly distributed between the two air dates for that episode. You can see some of this statistical data for yourself [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org here]. Also, to answer your question, you don't have the permissions needed to lock our unlock pages; that's an ability only the chiefs have. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 22:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == psych! ==<br /> <br /> Can we get Three's joke at Laura's expense in the Notable Dialogue section? I can't remember it word by word myself. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 21:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)`<br /> <br /> : There we go. What an amazing moment. If there's any problems with how I formatted it, feel free to tweak it. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 23:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deleted scene or misplaced promo image? ==<br /> I don't remember seeing Cavil holding a gun or wearing a hat, and we have had production number related misunderstandings before. Do we know that this image is from The Hub (episode 9, production number 411) and not [[Sometimes a Great Notion]] (episode 11, production number 413)? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :It's not a mistake. This is not the first time that promo images from (later) deleted scenes were released. For example &quot;[[Torn]]&quot; had one or two with Doral, Boomer, Six and Hera in a church, and &quot;[[A Measure of Salvation]]&quot; had a scene with Thrace interrogating Leoben. They are on the DVDs and summarized [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)|here]]. We should chose a different picture, but the other promo pics for the episode aren't really any good. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I can grab something from the HD version... Any ideas? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Maybe a wide shot of the Cylon and human pilots assembling? -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Accessing other's memories ==<br /> <br /> *In the Analysis section there is this:<br /> <br /> :&quot;....However, earlier in Season 1, Agathon somehow has access to Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii's memories, but was never killed or resurrected in the Miniseries. There is no explanation for this, other than an inference that Cylons can share memories outside of the actual download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving Caprica is unknown.&quot;<br /> :----<br /> :It is right we never heard in the series how the then Caprica Sharon, now Sharon &quot;Athena&quot; Agathon, got a hold of Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii's memories but I think it is not much of a leap to say that as a undercover infiltration agent Valerii was killed a number of times at regular intevals by the Cylons off screen probably during her shore leaves. Tyrol and Valerii had a torrid relation ship for a long while before the attack we know. Valerii had been stationed on Galactica for two years prior to the attack, that is plenty of time to kill her repeatedly. We have seen how the Cylons were blasé about death and resurrection. Remember how the Three in the bombed parking garage casually offered to Caprica Six to kill her because C-6 had a broken leg? If they could do that then no big deal; just kill Boomer, her memories download in to the communal repository (as well as a new body) and send her off again thinking she was human. Meanwhile have the future Athena absorb somehow Boomer's memories. Now the question is how does a living Cylon absorb the downloaded memories. In fact, I think I will put that up as a new question. Does Athena-or the Eight in ''The Hub''-have to die first? Of course we will have to wait to see it in the series for these questions can be answered in canon. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :: Well, this does not explain how Agathon has Valerii's memories of abandoning Karl Agathon on Caprica. There's really no wiggle room there for her to &quot;die&quot;, particularly as she lifts off with a bunch of survivors, including Boxey. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]&lt;/sup&gt; 06:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::It depends on the wording and context. Did she say that as a cover story? It could be, and I sure it is, as simple as other Cylon agents could had seen Helo and their agent Boomer part after he gave up his seat to Baltar and they told Athena by simple conversation about Boomer leaving Helo behind. We have seen the other Cylons observe Helo and they did report to each other verbally so I think it can be easy said that The Cylons simply told Athena just like a normal human would tell another human. I have to see either the scene or the transcript of the scene to be sure. What episode was that scene in? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 06:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> :::: Athena didn't verbally claim to have Boomer's memories of leaving Helo behind, she had a flashback to it. Boomer could conceivably have been killed sometime before returning with the refinery ship to the fleet, followed by a Raider, but we don't know if that's necessary. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::What episode was that? The flashback I mean. And what episode was the refinery ship she was coming back from in (I remember a lot but have forgotten a lot too). I'll check. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> :::::: The former, Flesh and Bone. The latter, the Miniseries. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 04:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::::Thanks! I will check it out. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::::Apologies for not discovering this discussion earlier, but I added [[Flesh and bone]] (20 mins in) for the flashback and also [[Home%2C_Part_II]] (15 mins in) as Agathon's verbal description of having Boomer's memories. These seem to be the exceptions - in the later series, it's a &quot;download only&quot; thing. [[User:Serenity|Serenity]], you say [[Scar]] is also relevant? -- [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 17:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC) <br /> It has often been implied that the Cylons have some easy (and invisible) way of sharing information with other members of their model. See [[Precipice#Analysis]] where Athena comments &quot;I'm not wired in. It doesn't work like that&quot;. When Boomer was a sleeper agent she could have been &quot;wired in&quot; without knowing it. Alternatively, another Cylon infiltrator in the fleet could somehow have accessed her memories and transmitted them at opportune moments. Alternatively, the part of Boomer who knew she was a Cylon could have transmitted information during the moments she was &quot;at the helm&quot;. I don't think it has ever been implied that death and resurrection is a necessary precondition for the sharing of memories. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 21:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :I think there just was in ''The Hub'' itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download. I believe that '''''is''''' what the then called Caprica Sharon (Athena) meant when she told Roslin that &quot;....it doesn't work like that.&quot; The way it work is that a Cylon has to die download into the communal data bank and then the curious Cylon could absorb the resurrecting Cylons memories. I myself believe they have to stick their hand into a data stream just like they do when monitoring the Hybrid (and when Young William Adama in ''Razor'' stuck his hand in that primitive Cylon resurrection tank like pool just before the First Cylon War ended). <br /> :I read the Precipice Analysis and there is no evidence of a wireless transmittable way for Cylons to share memories at a distance, just a lot of speculation without evidence. If the Cylons could share info ESP like then Pegasus wouldn't had been so successful in their hit and run tactics against the Cylons with Gina on board; also Gina after she excaped could had told where Galactica was with out setting off a nuke. <br /> <br /> :Galactica be wouldn't had been able to hide even for a while with the Doral, Leoben and D'anna Biers in the fleet or an extended period of time. Instead, in the original miniseries they relied on a transmitter that Gaeta found that wasn't familiar equipment. <br /> <br /> :The Cylons in the movie theater on Caprica wouldn't had to rely on using Raiders to relay footage of Athena giving birth to know that she was alive. They would had known that by taping into D'anna's memory of her seeing her.<br /> <br /> :Now the Hybrid has some ESP powers because it sensed the distress of Natalie being shot and as the Eight said panicked and '''JUMP!'''(ed). Also humanoid Cylons can vaguely sense when their own kind is near, like how Caprica Six told Roslin that the Final Five was in the fleet but can't tell she was making love to one (Tigh). Similarly (almost) Athena couldn't tell Anders and Tyrol were two of the Finals when she spoke to the rookie Anders when they were about to go into battle in the nebula. However, I do concede that the Finals are different from the recently created Cylons, but then there is this case most tellingly: When the Fleet captured a Cavil after he came back from Caprica with the Caprican Resistance and Anders. He couldn't tell that they already had another One in custody (the one that consoled the troubled Tyrol). He tried to maintain his innocence until they opened a door and there he sat, the jig was up. All this tells me they can't anymore read each other's minds-even their own model's minds-anymore than we can. &quot;It doesn't work like that.&quot; [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 01:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::''I think there just was in The Hub itself that death is necessary when the Eight told Helo she accessed Athena's memories after her last download.'' Death and resurrection may be a ''sufficient'' condition without being a ''necessary'' one. [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]] 08:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::None of this evidence refutes the possibility of voluntary memory sharing through datastream terminals or physical contact. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::Could it be possible for two live Cylons to stick their hands in a data stream and absorb each other's memories? Sure, but my point and I think the point of the analysis was whether they had ESP like abilities. They didn't and circumstances say they don't. As for them being touch telepaths we have seen no evidence specifically to prevent that possibility but we also have seen no evidence to support it either. At least we have the evidence of them controlling the Hybrid with the data stream and my example of young William Adama putting his hand in a Cylon tank to support the possibility of them sharing memories like that. We have seen them talking among themselves like normal people sharing ideas that way. No Cylon Mind Meld. If they could share memories with a mere touch we would had seen it by now. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 02:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::We sort of have. Consider the behavior of the various distinct Cavil models at the beginning of season 3, in which Ellen uses sex with one Cavil to bribe a different one to release Saul. Also, consider the way individuals in each model seem empowered to act as &quot;speaker&quot; for the entire line without, as far as we've seen, conducting some kind of physical poll. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::::Not necessarily, we long known that the models act in unison, that they all think alike (except for the ones with extensive human contact) Individualism as we know it didn't exist with Cylons but that doesn't mean they use touch to convey memories and thoughts. And yes, they very like develop group consensus off screen polls within their model line and vote as a mass, but again not evidence of touch telepathy, just maybe great conference calling. :-) [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 05:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> What if the Eight who was shot in &quot;Faith&quot; who reached out to Athena for physical contact was attempting a memory transfer before she died? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> :If they can transfer memories by touch, the Six in Faith could've transferred her memories to [[Natalie]]. Anyway, we know that Cylons can interface with [[datastream]] terminals by touch, we know that a living Cylon's knowledge and memories cannot be accessed against their will ([[Home, Part I]]), we know that the resurrection process produces some form of memory backup which other copies of the same model can access against their will ([[The Hub]]) and we know that the Eight who would become Sharon Agathon had some of Boomer's memories ([[Flesh and Bone]]). We don't know if Cylons can communicate with eachother through physical contact, and we don't know if memory sharing requires special equipment. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::Don't forget young William Adama in ''[[Razor]]'' putting his hand in that tank and getting that flood of images, that is probably how the Eight accessed Athena's memory. To answer Peter Fargo through you (this is an awkward way to communicate): While anything is possible I think that moment was an intent to convey a certain human touch. That Athena has become so estranged from her people she even couldn't show affection to a fellow dying Cylon. Adama in ''[[Sine Qua Non]]'' alluded to how Athena regards her people when he accused her of hating her own kind so much that she will seize any opportunity to kill one. Anyway, if they could exchange information via touch they wouldn't waste time talking to each other, especially about critical matters but we have seen them talk, including about critical matters when they were alone on Baseships without humans to fool. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 11:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hub&diff=163073 2008-06-12T17:37:43Z

<p>Xlynx: my mistake - cited two earlier episodes. Will comment on discussion page.</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''<br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image= 411 pilot meeting.jpg<br /> | title= The Hub<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 9<br /> | forumthread= 1262<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Jane Espenson]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Paul Edwards]]<br /> | production= 411<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=10 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39674<br /> | population= 39673<br /> | prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]<br /> | next= [[Revelations]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub|battle plan]] to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> :''The episode takes place concurrently with &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> * Starting off from the last events of &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, [[Laura Roslin]], [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] are brought before the rebel Cylon basestar's Hybrid. After a [[Number Eight]] reconnects the [[Hybrid]], she unexpectedly jumps the ship.<br /> * During the jump, Roslin finds herself in empty corridors of ''[[Galactica]]''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt;. As she looks around, Elosha appears behind her. After they hug, the vision stops and Roslin finds herself back in the Hybrid's room. Roslin inquires after the Hybrid's abilities as the Eight tries to get information from the [[data-font]], however the Hybrid jumps the ship again, and Roslin finds herself back with Elosha in ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; empty corridors. Roslin makes this observation, to which Elosha replies that it makes the ship feel bigger; Roslin further points out that the experience is strange, to which Elosha replies &quot;many things are strange&quot;.<br /> * The two end up in [[sickbay]], where the only occupied (and lit) bed is occupied by Roslin herself, who is dying.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.<br /> *The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.<br /> *When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].<br /> *Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> [[Image:411 Roslin and Baltar with Hybrid.jpg|thumb|Roslin and Baltar attempting to talk to the Hybrid about the [[Opera House]] vision.]]<br /> <br /> *In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A Six tells them the rebel pilots are just as well trained as the humans, and the Eight reminds them that they learned to trust Athena, and so they can also trust their rebel allies.<br /> *Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.<br /> *Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.<br /> *After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well. <br /> *Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to carry out her request.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.<br /> *Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.<br /> *Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.<br /> *Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.<br /> *[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.<br /> *On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.<br /> *Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.<br /> *Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> *Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.<br /> *Baltar continues to beg for his life.<br /> *There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a &quot;case-by-case basis&quot;.<br /> *With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.<br /> *Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.<br /> *Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she is the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.<br /> *Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.<br /> *Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> === Story ===<br /> <br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.<br /> *The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot; occur over the course of two days.<br /> * Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.<br /> <br /> === Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.<br /> *There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.<br /> *With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.<br /> * As previously shown in &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].<br /> * This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> * Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;. Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].<br /> * Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see &quot;something shiny&quot; seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.<br /> * The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]&quot;. In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force (''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'') [[Battle for the Resurrection Ship|takes on]] an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.<br /> * Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; (and had a vague inkling of in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;) have finally been confirmed.<br /> * There is a discontinuity—or at least an enigma—regarding the download process that is re-introduced by this episode (having been introduced in &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;). In this episode, the Number Eight who downloaded [[Sharon Agathon]]'s memories notes that her memories are accessible by the others. This correlates with the fact that Agathon was killed and downloaded in &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, thereby adding her memories to their repository. However, earlier in the story&lt;ref name=&quot;fleshnbone&quot;&gt;[[Flesh_and_bone]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref name=&quot;homept2&quot;&gt;[[Home%2C_Part_II]]&lt;/ref&gt;, Agathon somehow has access to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]]'s memories, but was never killed or resurrected in the story up to this point. There is no explanation for this, other than an inference that Cylons can share memories outside of the actual download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] is unknown.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> === About the Hub ===<br /> <br /> *What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?<br /> *Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?<br /> *Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?<br /> *Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off the Hub before it is destroyed?<br /> *Why didn't the Vipers simply magnetically grapple themselves to the underside of the Heavy Raiders, instead of relying on tow cables?<br /> <br /> === About the Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii (&quot;Pet Eight&quot;) affect her?<br /> *Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?<br /> *Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories as well?<br /> *How do other living Cylons (presumably of the same model) access and absorb the memories of downloaded Cylons?<br /> *Will Agathon inform his wife that other Eights have been accessing her memories? If so, will this affect their relationship?<br /> *What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship?<br /> *How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?<br /> *Will the Cylons&amp;mdash;especially with Natalie dead&amp;mdash;return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three?<br /> *How will Sharon Agathon and [[Caprica-Six]] react to learning of the Hub's destruction?<br /> <br /> === About the Humans ===<br /> <br /> *Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?<br /> *What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?<br /> *Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?<br /> *Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?<br /> *Will [[Lee Adama]] relinquish the presidency back to Laura Roslin?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> * ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:'' <br /> :'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]<br /> :'''Cavil''': Boomer is my &quot;Pet Eight&quot;. She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.<br /> :'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern] <br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''<br /> :'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.<br /> <br /> * ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''<br /> :'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.<br /> :'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.<br /> <br /> * ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''<br /> :'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?<br /> :[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]<br /> :'''William Adama:''' Laura.<br /> :'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Love.&quot; Huh!'<br /> :[Life monitor flatlines] <br /> :'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.<br /> <br /> * ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''<br /> :'''Adama''': Missed you.<br /> :'''Roslin''': Me too.<br /> :'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.<br /> :'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.<br /> <br /> * ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:<br /> : &quot;[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''<br /> : '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.<br /> : '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.<br /> : '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?<br /> : '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.<br /> : '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.<br /> :[Roslin freezes shocked]<br /> : '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> *[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]<br /> *[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]] <br /> *[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]<br /> *[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]<br /> *[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]] <br /> *[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] <br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]] <br /> *[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]]<br /> *[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]]<br /> *[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hub, The}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: it was season 2, unless someone can cite an episode showing otherwise.</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''<br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image= 411 pilot meeting.jpg<br /> | title= The Hub<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 9<br /> | forumthread= 1262<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Jane Espenson]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Paul Edwards]]<br /> | production= 411<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=10 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39674<br /> | population= 39673<br /> | prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]<br /> | next= [[Revelations]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub|battle plan]] to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> :''The episode takes place concurrently with &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> * Starting off from the last events of &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, [[Laura Roslin]], [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] are brought before the rebel Cylon basestar's Hybrid. After a [[Number Eight]] reconnects the [[Hybrid]], she unexpectedly jumps the ship.<br /> * During the jump, Roslin finds herself in empty corridors of ''[[Galactica]]''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt;. As she looks around, Elosha appears behind her. After they hug, the vision stops and Roslin finds herself back in the Hybrid's room. Roslin inquires after the Hybrid's abilities as the Eight tries to get information from the [[data-font]], however the Hybrid jumps the ship again, and Roslin finds herself back with Elosha in ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; empty corridors. Roslin makes this observation, to which Elosha replies that it makes the ship feel bigger; Roslin further points out that the experience is strange, to which Elosha replies &quot;many things are strange&quot;.<br /> * The two end up in [[sickbay]], where the only occupied (and lit) bed is occupied by Roslin herself, who is dying.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.<br /> *The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.<br /> *When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].<br /> *Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> [[Image:411 Roslin and Baltar with Hybrid.jpg|thumb|Roslin and Baltar attempting to talk to the Hybrid about the [[Opera House]] vision.]]<br /> <br /> *In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A Six tells them the rebel pilots are just as well trained as the humans, and the Eight reminds them that they learned to trust Athena, and so they can also trust their rebel allies.<br /> *Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.<br /> *Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.<br /> *After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well. <br /> *Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to carry out her request.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.<br /> *Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.<br /> *Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.<br /> *Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.<br /> *[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.<br /> *On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.<br /> *Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.<br /> *Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> *Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.<br /> *Baltar continues to beg for his life.<br /> *There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a &quot;case-by-case basis&quot;.<br /> *With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.<br /> *Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.<br /> *Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she is the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.<br /> *Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.<br /> *Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> === Story ===<br /> <br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.<br /> *The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot; occur over the course of two days.<br /> * Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.<br /> <br /> === Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.<br /> *There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.<br /> *With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.<br /> * As previously shown in &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].<br /> * This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> * Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;. Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].<br /> * Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see &quot;something shiny&quot; seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.<br /> * The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]&quot;. In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force (''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'') [[Battle for the Resurrection Ship|takes on]] an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.<br /> * Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; (and had a vague inkling of in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;) have finally been confirmed.<br /> * There is a discontinuity—or at least an enigma—regarding the download process that is re-introduced by this episode (having been introduced in &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;). In this episode, the Number Eight who downloaded [[Sharon Agathon]]'s memories notes that her memories are accessible by the others. This correlates with the fact that Agathon was killed and downloaded in &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, thereby adding her memories to their repository. However, earlier in &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;, Agathon somehow has access to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]]'s memories, but was never killed or resurrected in the story up to this point. There is no explanation for this, other than an inference that Cylons can share memories outside of the actual download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] is unknown.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> === About the Hub ===<br /> <br /> *What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?<br /> *Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?<br /> *Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?<br /> *Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off the Hub before it is destroyed?<br /> *Why didn't the Vipers simply magnetically grapple themselves to the underside of the Heavy Raiders, instead of relying on tow cables?<br /> <br /> === About the Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii (&quot;Pet Eight&quot;) affect her?<br /> *Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?<br /> *Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories as well?<br /> *How do other living Cylons (presumably of the same model) access and absorb the memories of downloaded Cylons?<br /> *Will Agathon inform his wife that other Eights have been accessing her memories? If so, will this affect their relationship?<br /> *What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship?<br /> *How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?<br /> *Will the Cylons&amp;mdash;especially with Natalie dead&amp;mdash;return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three?<br /> *How will Sharon Agathon and [[Caprica-Six]] react to learning of the Hub's destruction?<br /> <br /> === About the Humans ===<br /> <br /> *Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?<br /> *What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?<br /> *Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?<br /> *Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?<br /> *Will [[Lee Adama]] relinquish the presidency back to Laura Roslin?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> * ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:'' <br /> :'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]<br /> :'''Cavil''': Boomer is my &quot;Pet Eight&quot;. She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.<br /> :'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern] <br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''<br /> :'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.<br /> <br /> * ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''<br /> :'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.<br /> :'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.<br /> <br /> * ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''<br /> :'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?<br /> :[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]<br /> :'''William Adama:''' Laura.<br /> :'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Love.&quot; Huh!'<br /> :[Life monitor flatlines] <br /> :'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.<br /> <br /> * ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''<br /> :'''Adama''': Missed you.<br /> :'''Roslin''': Me too.<br /> :'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.<br /> :'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.<br /> <br /> * ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:<br /> : &quot;[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''<br /> : '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.<br /> : '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.<br /> : '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?<br /> : '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.<br /> : '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.<br /> :[Roslin freezes shocked]<br /> : '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> *[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]<br /> *[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]] <br /> *[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]<br /> *[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]<br /> *[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]] <br /> *[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] <br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]] <br /> *[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]]<br /> *[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]]<br /> *[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hub, The}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: it is impossible the raiders transmitted the documentary because their destruction was a part of the then unfinished documentary.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image = s2finalcut.jpg<br /> | title=Final Cut<br /> | series=<br /> | season=2<br /> | episode=8<br /> | guests=[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[D'anna Biers]]<br /> | writer=[[Mark Verheiden]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director=[[Robert Young]]<br /> | production=208<br /> | rating= 2.0<br /> | US airdate=2005-09-09 <br /> | CAN airdate=2006-03-04<br /> | UK airdate=2006-02-28<br /> | dvd= {{Season 2.0 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US'''&lt;br/&gt;{{Season 2 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''<br /> | population= 47853<br /> | oldpopulation= 47855<br /> | prev=[[Home, Part II]]<br /> | next=[[Flight of the Phoenix]]<br /> | podcast=Y<br /> | itunes=http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=VWbyALbmqZY&amp;offerid=78941&amp;type=3&amp;subid=0&amp;tmpid=1826&amp;RD_PARM1=http%253A%252F%252Fphobos.apple.com%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewTVSeason%253Fi%253D102232318%2526id%253D102808898%2526s%253D143441%2526partnerId%253D30<br /> | unbox=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB000V1ZKDK&amp;tag=battlestarwik-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''In an effort to stem the [[The Fleet|Fleet]]'s growing resentment toward the military, Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] allow an outspoken anti-military journalist complete access to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and its crew.''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> *Reporter [[D'anna Biers]] is preparing a special report on what she's hyped as the &quot;[[Gideon massacre]]&quot;, when she is escorted by [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to ''[[Colonial One]]''.<br /> *President [[Laura Roslin]] and Commander [[William Adama]] meet her, and she complains that all of her requests to interview Marines involved with the Gideon incident have been denied. Roslin and Adama tell her that all that is about to change: they want to mend the relationship between the military and the civilian fleet by allowing Biers to shoot a documentary on life on ''Galactica'', with unrestricted access. <br /> *Biers and her cameraman [[Bell]] are flown to ''Galactica'' with Adama in [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]'s Raptor. On ''Galactica'', Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]] is given the task of showing them around, pointing out fairly everyday things like carbon dioxide scrubbers for atmosphere and vegetable refrigeration units--information that Biers writes off as trivial.<br /> *Biers starts filming one-on-one interviews with several crewmen. She asks Dualla why she joined the Fleet, and she says her father didn't approve but she wanted to believe in something. <br /> *Biers and her cameraman are walking through the halls when [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hot Dog&quot; Costanza]] and [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne &quot;Kat&quot; Katraine]] chase each other out of the showers wearing towels. Biers follows them into the senior pilots' locker room, where [[Lee Adama|Captain Lee &quot;Apollo&quot; Adama]], (who nearly drops his towel accidentally) tells her to respect their privacy and get out. Kat moons the documentary camera, and gets yelled at by her [[CAG]].<br /> [[Image:Dressing_Room.jpg|thumb|left|Camera crew filming certain awkwardness in the locker room]]<br /> *[[Ellen Tigh]] calls Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] down to their quarters, where someone has left a threat for Saul by writing a line of Caprican poetry in red paint on their mirror.<br /> *Biers then interviews Lee, and she accuses him of thinking the pilots deserve preferential treatment. He tells her that he does think they deserve such treatment; despite suffering as much loss as everyone else they risk their lives every day for the fleet, and while they don't need pity, they do deserve respect.<br /> *Biers interviews Private [[Scott Kelso]], one of the Marines involved in the ''[[Gideon]]'' shootings. He insists that he and the other Marines were just doing their jobs, and that the &quot;unarmed civilians&quot; were attacking them, and that he has a scar on this head that required ten stitches to prove it. At the same time, Kelso thinks the whole thing was a &quot;command [[frak]]-up&quot;; that the Marines weren't trained for crowd control, and he isn't surprised that someone wants to kill Colonel Tigh.<br /> *Biers then interviews a disheveled Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]], who is smoking a cigarette while displaying a level of frustration and fatigue that he doesn't normally show.<br /> *On the [[Hangar Deck]], Kat yells at [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] when her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] malfunctions, although it wasn't the Chief's fault. [[Kara Thrace|Lieutenant Kara &quot;Starbuck&quot; Thrace]] breaks it up (as Biers follows her) and Kat storms out.<br /> *Biers is then allowed into the [[CIC]], where Commander Adama orders Colonel Tigh to attend a meeting of civilian leaders on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'', which Adama thinks will be a good chance for them to vent their frustration instead of seething at Tigh in private. However, as his [[Raptor]] is about to depart, it malfunctions and smokes until a damage control team can put it out. Tigh gets out and Tyrol tells him it looks like someone sabotaged the Raptor with a hammer, and if they had gotten into space the atmosphere inside would have vented, killing him.<br /> *[[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] lights a candle for her lost loved ones in the memorial hallway, and is then interviewed by Biers. She tells Biers that she assumes that she's already as good as dead going out on missions, and she just hopes she can kill as many Cylons as possible before her day comes.<br /> *D'anna also interviews [[Karl Agathon|Lt. Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]], who says that in combat you are supposed to turn off the human part of you because it will get you killed, but that nothing is that easy to do.<br /> *Helo then visits [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]] in the [[brig]], where she in unresponsive in her bed until pulling a blood-stained hand from under her sheets and sobbing. Helo calls for [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]] to come right away.<br /> *[[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] gives an interview to Biers which is emotionally unrestrained. She then freaks out while attempting to land her Viper, and despite [[Aaron Kelly|Captain Kelly]] and Thrace trying to talk her down, she misses three passes, then on the final try crashes her Viper into the [[landing bay]]. Biers follows Thrace and Lee to the flight deck. Getting out of her Viper, Kat is incomprehensible and disoriented. Thrace finds [[Stims]] on Kat's person: Kat had been taking them by the fistful to stay alert, and now she has overdosed. Kat is forcibly strapped down to a gurney while kicking and screaming and taken to [[Sickbay]]. <br /> *Biers follows Kat to Sickbay, where she accidentally goes behind a curtain and sees Doctor Cottle arguing with the terrified Sharon Valerii; Cottle is trying to save her baby before Valerii has a miscarriage. Biers is then shoved away, but not before catching Valerii on film. <br /> *Later, Commander Adama arrives in sickbay and demands that Biers hand over the tape. Biers notes that the woman she saw looked exactly like the deceased [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], and that news that ''Galactica'' is harboring a Cylon could turn the Fleet against him. Adama counters that, after the ''Gideon'' incident, this new revelation could devastate morale in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], and whether that even matters to Biers. Reluctantly, Biers gives him the tape and he leaves. When Adama is out of sight, D'anna pulls the ''real'' tape out of her shirt. <br /> *Baltar begins a less than great interview with Biers but is interrupted when an [[Action Stations|action stations alarm]] goes off: two Raiders are on a collision course with ''Galactica''. Biers heads to the CIC to film there while her cameraman covers the flight deck. We only see the fight from the perspective of those on the ship listening over the radio; the Raiders are destroyed.<br /> *Saul Tigh returns to his quarters to find Ellen tied up. It turns out that his would-be murder is [[Joe Palladino]], who is distraught that Tigh's orders resulted in innocent people being killed by men under Palladino's command. He pulls a gun on Tigh, but Tigh presses the gun to his forehead and talks Palladino down. As Biers reviews the tape, she sees Palladino reading a book by [[Kataris]] (which she recognises as containing the poetry line used to threaten Tigh), and alerts the crew. The Marines rush to Tigh's quarters, where they see Palladino and take him away.<br /> *Back on ''Colonial One'', Roslin, Adama, and Tigh review Biers' finished documentary. Adama decides that he likes the accurate portrayal that she did, and lets them broadcast it across the entire fleet.<br /> [[Image:CylonsTheater FinalCut.JPG|thumb|right|The humanoid Cylons watching the documentary.]]<br /> *In the documentary, Biers does an ending voiceover. As the [[Colonial anthem]] swells in the background, she explains that the story of ''Galactica'' is that they'll never give up. As people watch it on monitor screens throughout the Fleet.....<br /> *...the humanoid Cylons are watching the documentary as well in an abandoned movie theater on Cylon-occupied [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. A copy of [[Number Six]] is impressed at the resilience of the humans, and asks about the fate of Caprica-Valerii's baby. A second, Caprica-based copy of D'anna Biers then turns around (Biers is now revealed to have been a [[humanoid Cylon]] the whole time), and tells her that both Caprica-Valerii and her baby survived her near-miscarriage. [[Aaron Doral]] says that the baby must be protected at all costs, and they must proceed with caution.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *The population count is now 47,853, a loss of two since &quot;[[Home, Part II]]&quot;, to account for the two [[Tom Zarek]] henchmen killed in that episode.<br /> *D'anna Biers makes the same comment about Baltar that Roslin made in &quot;[[33]]&quot;.<br /> *We finally learn [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]]'s first name as she is interviewed by Biers: ''Anastasia''.<br /> *Gaeta's first name is revealed as ''[[Felix Gaeta|Felix]]''. He also shows a wild side in the form of a tattoo on his chest, which he got when he was drunk, and he has taken up smoking. Perhaps this isn't so much a sign of a previously unrevealed wild side, but a sign that Gaeta's composure is starting to get frayed from constant stress (This is confirmed in the following episode, &quot;[[Flight of the Phoenix]]&quot;).<br /> *Racetrack is given a full name: ''[[Margaret Edmondson]]''.<br /> *The music aired at the end of the documentary is the Colonial Fanfare last heard in the [[Miniseries]]: the theme from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original series]]. In the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]], it is the [[Colonial anthem|anthem]] of the Twelve Colonies.<br /> *Adama uses the phrase &quot;warts and all.&quot; This phrase was coined by 17th-Century English dictator (&quot;Lord Protector&quot;) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell Oliver Cromwell].<br /> *Timeline-wise, Colonel Tigh says there has been no Cylon contacts for 10 days. Tigh was in command of ''Galactica'' for &quot;over a week&quot; (from &quot;[[Scattered]]&quot; to &quot;[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]&quot;).<br /> *Colonial video feeds are octagonal, but video screens are, probably for production and budget reasons, rectangular.<br /> *Captain [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] appears fulfilling his duties as [[Landing Signal Officer]] by coordinating Viper landings. This scene further explains the &quot;where was Kelly between the Mini-Series and Season 2&quot; question: Kelly doesn't work in the [[CIC]], but in the port [[Flight pod|flight pod]] itself.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have not only buried the hatchet by this episode, but are working jointly and appear to have developed a camaraderie.<br /> *This episode contains the first scene on ''Colonial One'' since &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]&quot;.<br /> *Cultural/linguistic oddity: Apollo refers to Kat and Hot Dog as &quot;tweedledum and tweedledee&quot;, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Lewis Carroll|Lewis Carroll]].<br /> *In Helo's interview with D'anna Biers, the caption reads &quot;Karl C. Agathon, Lieutenant, CF&quot;. This is not just a clipped writing of &quot;Lieutenant, Junior Grade&quot;: according to an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=3165&amp;Itemid=0 interview] with [[Tahmoh Penikett]], when Helo returned to ''Galactica'' after being stranded on Caprica for months he was promoted to full Lieutenant. However he had been wearing full Lieutenant rank insignia from the beginning of the series.<br /> *The original airdate was to be September 2nd, 2005. However, SciFi Channel ran a Stargate SG-1 Viewers Choice Marathon for the [[Wikipedia:Labor Day|Labor Day]] Weekend.<br /> *Originally, Palladino was supposed to commit suicide in front of Colonel Tigh, but the network felt that this was too heavy &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://tv.ign.com/articles/808/808546p1.html|title=SDCC 07: Galactica -- What if Gaeta Had Died?|date=|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *The Cylons deploy two [[Raider]]s to ''Galactica'' to transmit the cut footage back to Caprica. Does this mean the Cylons know ''exactly'' where the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] is, and have simply chosen ''not'' to intercept it? Is keeping the Fleet alive part of their &quot;plan&quot;?<br /> **Or, are the Cylons ''now'' refraining from sending in a full [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and Raider wing to attack ''Galactica'' because they are worried that a direct attack on ''Galactica'' will result in the death of Caprica-Valerii and her hybrid daughter? That is, they would have attacked it if this Valerii wasn't on board, but was sending two Raiders in now simply a reconnaissance mission? The Cylons did say that they want to proceed cautiously. <br /> **However, the two Raiders don't jump in to the Fleet's vicinity, they fly in normally. Perhaps the Cylons actually ''don't'' know exactly where the Fleet is, and these Raiders may have been searching for days to find them. Seeing as the Cylons on Caprica are not aware that the Caprica-Valerii is still alive, perhaps they also truly aren't aware of the Fleet's location, and other Cylons in the Fleet cannot transmit messages back to Caprica because they are out of range (though a nearby Cylon ship might be close enough). (''[[Pegasus (episode)|Answer]]'')<br /> **In light of all this, have the Cylons ''not'' been using their entire strength against the Colonials in combat? Have they, in effect, been &quot;toying&quot; with them? This could explain the relative lop-sidedness of the Colonials' military victories since the initial destruction of the Colonies. <br /> *Dualla states that ''Galactica's'' carbon dioxide scrubbers run &quot;24 hours a day&quot;; this would seem to establish that the Colonial Fleet operates on a 24-hour day. This could possibly be based on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]'s orbital rotation (where the seat of the [[government]] was located). Yet, all 12 Colonies couldn't possible all have the same axial rotation time. This 24 hour day might seem an automatic assumption, but other science fiction series sometimes depart from the convention: For example, on ''[[memoryalpha:Star Trek:Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'', the titular space station actually runs on a 26 hour day, because it follows Bajor's local time (which has a 26 hour rotation period).<br /> *On ''[[Colonial One]]'', Roslin is no longer surrounded by her [[Presidential Security Service]] agents, but rather by ''Galactica'' Marines - Adama's insurance against any more misbehavior? Perhaps they were only there to escort Commander Adama while he was off of ''Galactica''.<br /> *As aired, it appears that Biers gets a free reign to produce whatever she wants. While Adama's agreement to broadcast it throughout the Fleet could mean that he might also have rejected the documentary if necessary, this is not made a clear. A [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Final Cut|deleted scene]] clarifies that Roslin gives Adama the right to the &quot;final cut&quot;, and thus the power to censor the documentary if he feels that it presents ''Galactica'' in an unfavorable light.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> *Does Biers's discovery of pregnant Caprica-Valerii on ''Galactica'' alter her intended goal with the documentary?<br /> *Would the documentary have presented ''Galactica'' and her crew in a more negative light and thus perform a journalistic hatchet job on how the rest of the Fleet perceived Adama and the military?<br /> *Would Adama and Roslin still have allowed the documentary to be broadcast if it had been 'negative?' (See [[#Analysis|Analysis]])<br /> *Now that the documentary has aired, with Biers's image visibly throughout the film, has Sharon Valerii seen the film? Or, has the film been banned for her viewing?<br /> *If she had viewed the documentary, would Valerii inform ''Galactica's'' command of Biers' true nature, or the identity of other agents in the Fleet, if they were known to her?<br /> *Why was Biers not included in any press pools that occurred prior to her finding the Gideon tape and therefore making the acquaintance of the President and Commander Adama? Was she a tabloid reporter and not granted Presidential press room status?<br /> *At the end of the episode, Biers says that the Cylons &quot;lost two Raiders relaying the images back to ''the Fleet''&quot; from ''Galactica''. She didn't say &quot;from ''Galactica'' back to ''Caprica''&quot;. Does this imply that there is a main Cylon fleet following ''Galactica''? (That is, as opposed to many basestars spread out across a large region of space in a search pattern.) ([[Pegasus (episode)|Answer]])<br /> *Does any military personnel ever resign from ''Galactica'' on their own? ([[Six of One|Answer]])<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> <br /> * ''After meeting Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] for the first time:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' What a strange little man.<br /> <br /> * ''D'Anna Biers is filming an interview with [[Lee Adama]]:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' You seem to think that your pilots deserve special consideration.<br /> :'''Lee Adama:''' Actually, I do. Like everyone else, my pilots have lost their families, their friends, everyone they ever cared about; but on top of that they're asked to put their lives on the line every single day, for a fleet that seems more interested in what they do wrong than in what they do right. They're not asking for your pity, but they damn well deserve your respect.<br /> <br /> * ''D'Anna Biers is interviewing [[Racetrack]]:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' Are you afraid when you go into combat?<br /> :'''Racetrack:''' First thing they tell you is to assume you're already dead. <br /> :'''D'Ana Biers:''' Well that sounds ghoulish.<br /> :'''Racetrack:''' Yeah, maybe. But dead men don't get scared and freeze up under fire. Me, I'm just worried that hell's gonna be a lonely place, and I'm gonna fill it up with every Toaster son of a bitch I find.<br /> <br /> * ''D'Anna Biers is interviewing Lieutenant Gaeta. Gaeta is slightly disheveled, and is smoking a cigarette:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' Does that help you cope with the stress?<br /> :'''Felix Gaeta:''' Not really. Look, um, all that I ever wanted was to be an officer on a battlestar, okay? I trained my whole life, I trained harder than anyone in my unit. Basically, I put my life on hold until I was assigned to ''Galactica''. Then the Cylons hit and I realized that this is all that I know: tech manuals, commands, and tactics, you know? I'm not saying that I'm unhappy...I'm just wondering if there's something more. <br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' And what have you discovered?<br /> :'''Felix Gaeta:''' ...(takes a long drag, coughs)...I hate cigarettes. [[Ambrosia]]'s good with a chaser. And, if you have enough Ambrosia...(Gaeta pulls back his shirt to reveal an ugly tattoo of a tiger on his upper right chest)...it don't hurt that much.<br /> <br /> * ''The closing voice-over narration to Biers's documentary on ''Galactica'', which runs over a montage of images from the ship. The [[Colonial anthem]] tinkles in the background and gradually builds to up to a grand swell:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' I came to ''Galactica'' to tell a story. In all honesty I thought I knew what that story was before I ever set foot there: how an arrogant military let their egos get in the way of doing their jobs, safeguarding the lives of the civilian population. But I found out that the truth was more complex than that. These people aren't Cylons. They're not robots blindly following orders and polishing their boots. They're people. Deeply flawed, yes, but deeply human too, and maybe that's saying the same thing. What struck me most is that despite it all - the hardships, the stress, the ever present danger of being killed - despite all that, they never give up. They never lie down in the road and let the truck run them over. They wake up in the morning, put on their uniforms and do their jobs. Every day. No pay, no rest, no hope of ever laying down the burden or letting someone else do the job. There are no relief troops coming, no Colonial Fleet training new recruits every day. The people on ''Galactica'' are ''it''. They are the thin line of blue that separates us from the Cylons. Lt. Gaeta told me a remarkable statistic; not a single member of Galactica's crew has asked to resign, not one. Think about that. If you wore the uniform wouldn't you want to quit? To step aside and say &quot;Enough! Let someone else protect the fleet?&quot; I know I would. But then, I don't wear a uniform. Most of us don't, most of us never will. The story of ''Galactica'' isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure, it's that those mistakes are the exception. Most of the time the men and women serving under Commander Adama get it right. The proof is that our fleet ''survives''. And with ''Galactica'' at our side, we '''''will''''' endure. This is D'anna Biers, Fleet News Service.<br /> <br /> * ''The camera pulls back to show a movie theater on Cylon-occupied [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], where the humanoid Cylons are watching a copy of the documentary, as Biers's ending narration finishes:''<br /> :'''Aaron Doral:''' That was shown across their entire fleet.<br /> :'''Number Six:''' Their resilience is remarkable.<br /> :'''Sharon Valerii:''' Play the footage that was cut. (camera footage plays of Helo's Sharon in ''Galactica's'' Sickbay)<br /> :'''Sharon Valerii:''' I'm still alive?! She's still alive! I told you.<br /> :'''Number Six:''' That's incredible. And the [[Hera Agathon|baby]]?<br /> :'''Biers:''' (speaking without her usual New Zealand accent, but with a general American accent) It was saved. We lost two Raiders relaying the images back to the Fleet, but I think the sacrifice was worth it.<br /> :'''Aaron Doral:''' We must proceed with caution. The child's life must be protected at all costs.<br /> :'''Biers:''' Yeah. Truly is a miracle from [[God (RDM)|God]].<br /> <br /> == Guest stars ==<br /> *[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]<br /> *[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]]<br /> *[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]<br /> *[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]<br /> *[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br /> *[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]<br /> *[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]<br /> *[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne &quot;Kat&quot; Katraine]]<br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hot Dog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> *[[Patrick &quot;Flick&quot; Harrison|Patrick Harrison]] as [[Bell]]<br /> *[[Kevan Kase]] as PFC [[Scott Kelso]]<br /> *[[Yee Jee Tso]] as Staffer<br /> *[[Curtis Lee Hicks]] as Marine Sergeant<br /> *[[Aleks Paunovic]] as Sergeant [[Omar Fischer|Fischer]]<br /> *[[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]<br /> *[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> *[[Jeremy Guilbaut]] as Lt. [[Joe Palladino|Joe Palladino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{episode list (RDM season 2)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Robert Young]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Die Reporterin]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: didn&#039;t happen. she picks up a tape for the camera. her body language supports this, then there is the sound of a tape being inserted, then the camera is shown rolling for the first time.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image = s2finalcut.jpg<br /> | title=Final Cut<br /> | series=<br /> | season=2<br /> | episode=8<br /> | guests=[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[D'anna Biers]]<br /> | writer=[[Mark Verheiden]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director=[[Robert Young]]<br /> | production=208<br /> | rating= 2.0<br /> | US airdate=2005-09-09 <br /> | CAN airdate=2006-03-04<br /> | UK airdate=2006-02-28<br /> | dvd= {{Season 2.0 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US'''&lt;br/&gt;{{Season 2 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''<br /> | population= 47853<br /> | oldpopulation= 47855<br /> | prev=[[Home, Part II]]<br /> | next=[[Flight of the Phoenix]]<br /> | podcast=Y<br /> | itunes=http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=VWbyALbmqZY&amp;offerid=78941&amp;type=3&amp;subid=0&amp;tmpid=1826&amp;RD_PARM1=http%253A%252F%252Fphobos.apple.com%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewTVSeason%253Fi%253D102232318%2526id%253D102808898%2526s%253D143441%2526partnerId%253D30<br /> | unbox=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB000V1ZKDK&amp;tag=battlestarwik-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> :''In an effort to stem the [[The Fleet|Fleet]]'s growing resentment toward the military, Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] allow an outspoken anti-military journalist complete access to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and its crew.''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> *Reporter [[D'anna Biers]] is preparing a special report on what she's hyped as the &quot;[[Gideon massacre]]&quot;, when she is escorted by [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to ''[[Colonial One]]''.<br /> *President [[Laura Roslin]] and Commander [[William Adama]] meet her, and she complains that all of her requests to interview Marines involved with the Gideon incident have been denied. Roslin and Adama tell her that all that is about to change: they want to mend the relationship between the military and the civilian fleet by allowing Biers to shoot a documentary on life on ''Galactica'', with unrestricted access. <br /> *Biers and her cameraman [[Bell]] are flown to ''Galactica'' with Adama in [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]'s Raptor. On ''Galactica'', Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]] is given the task of showing them around, pointing out fairly everyday things like carbon dioxide scrubbers for atmosphere and vegetable refrigeration units--information that Biers writes off as trivial.<br /> *Biers starts filming one-on-one interviews with several crewmen. She asks Dualla why she joined the Fleet, and she says her father didn't approve but she wanted to believe in something. <br /> *Biers and her cameraman are walking through the halls when [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hot Dog&quot; Costanza]] and [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne &quot;Kat&quot; Katraine]] chase each other out of the showers wearing towels. Biers follows them into the senior pilots' locker room, where [[Lee Adama|Captain Lee &quot;Apollo&quot; Adama]], (who nearly drops his towel accidentally) tells her to respect their privacy and get out. Kat moons the documentary camera, and gets yelled at by her [[CAG]].<br /> [[Image:Dressing_Room.jpg|thumb|left|Camera crew filming certain awkwardness in the locker room]]<br /> *[[Ellen Tigh]] calls Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] down to their quarters, where someone has left a threat for Saul by writing a line of Caprican poetry in red paint on their mirror.<br /> *Biers then interviews Lee, and she accuses him of thinking the pilots deserve preferential treatment. He tells her that he does think they deserve such treatment; despite suffering as much loss as everyone else they risk their lives every day for the fleet, and while they don't need pity, they do deserve respect.<br /> *Biers interviews Private [[Scott Kelso]], one of the Marines involved in the ''[[Gideon]]'' shootings. He insists that he and the other Marines were just doing their jobs, and that the &quot;unarmed civilians&quot; were attacking them, and that he has a scar on this head that required ten stitches to prove it. At the same time, Kelso thinks the whole thing was a &quot;command [[frak]]-up&quot;; that the Marines weren't trained for crowd control, and he isn't surprised that someone wants to kill Colonel Tigh.<br /> *Biers then interviews a disheveled Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]], who is smoking a cigarette while displaying a level of frustration and fatigue that he doesn't normally show.<br /> *On the [[Hangar Deck]], Kat yells at [[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] when her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] malfunctions, although it wasn't the Chief's fault. [[Kara Thrace|Lieutenant Kara &quot;Starbuck&quot; Thrace]] breaks it up (as Biers follows her) and Kat storms out.<br /> *Biers is then allowed into the [[CIC]], where Commander Adama orders Colonel Tigh to attend a meeting of civilian leaders on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'', which Adama thinks will be a good chance for them to vent their frustration instead of seething at Tigh in private. However, as his [[Raptor]] is about to depart, it malfunctions and smokes until a damage control team can put it out. Tigh gets out and Tyrol tells him it looks like someone sabotaged the Raptor with a hammer, and if they had gotten into space the atmosphere inside would have vented, killing him.<br /> *[[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] lights a candle for her lost loved ones in the memorial hallway, and is then interviewed by Biers. She tells Biers that she assumes that she's already as good as dead going out on missions, and she just hopes she can kill as many Cylons as possible before her day comes.<br /> *D'anna also interviews [[Karl Agathon|Lt. Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]], who says that in combat you are supposed to turn off the human part of you because it will get you killed, but that nothing is that easy to do.<br /> *Helo then visits [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]] in the [[brig]], where she in unresponsive in her bed until pulling a blood-stained hand from under her sheets and sobbing. Helo calls for [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]] to come right away.<br /> *[[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] gives an interview to Biers which is emotionally unrestrained. She then freaks out while attempting to land her Viper, and despite [[Aaron Kelly|Captain Kelly]] and Thrace trying to talk her down, she misses three passes, then on the final try crashes her Viper into the [[landing bay]]. Biers follows Thrace and Lee to the flight deck. Getting out of her Viper, Kat is incomprehensible and disoriented. Thrace finds [[Stims]] on Kat's person: Kat had been taking them by the fistful to stay alert, and now she has overdosed. Kat is forcibly strapped down to a gurney while kicking and screaming and taken to [[Sickbay]]. <br /> *Biers follows Kat to Sickbay, where she accidentally goes behind a curtain and sees Doctor Cottle arguing with the terrified Sharon Valerii; Cottle is trying to save her baby before Valerii has a miscarriage. Biers is then shoved away, but not before catching Valerii on film. <br /> *Later, Commander Adama arrives in sickbay and demands that Biers hand over the tape. Biers notes that the woman she saw looked exactly like the deceased [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]], and that news that ''Galactica'' is harboring a Cylon could turn the Fleet against him. Adama counters that, after the ''Gideon'' incident, this new revelation could devastate morale in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], and whether that even matters to Biers. Reluctantly, Biers gives him the tape and he leaves. When Adama is out of sight, D'anna pulls the ''real'' tape out of her shirt. <br /> *Baltar begins a less than great interview with Biers but is interrupted when an [[Action Stations|action stations alarm]] goes off: two Raiders are on a collision course with ''Galactica''. Biers heads to the CIC to film there while her cameraman covers the flight deck. We only see the fight from the perspective of those on the ship listening over the radio; the Raiders are destroyed.<br /> *Saul Tigh returns to his quarters to find Ellen tied up. It turns out that his would-be murder is [[Joe Palladino]], who is distraught that Tigh's orders resulted in innocent people being killed by men under Palladino's command. He pulls a gun on Tigh, but Tigh presses the gun to his forehead and talks Palladino down. As Biers reviews the tape, she sees Palladino reading a book by [[Kataris]] (which she recognises as containing the poetry line used to threaten Tigh), and alerts the crew. The Marines rush to Tigh's quarters, where they see Palladino and take him away.<br /> *Back on ''Colonial One'', Roslin, Adama, and Tigh review Biers' finished documentary. Adama decides that he likes the accurate portrayal that she did, and lets them broadcast it across the entire fleet.<br /> [[Image:CylonsTheater FinalCut.JPG|thumb|right|The humanoid Cylons watching the documentary.]]<br /> *In the documentary, Biers does an ending voiceover. As the [[Colonial anthem]] swells in the background, she explains that the story of ''Galactica'' is that they'll never give up. As people watch it on monitor screens throughout the Fleet.....<br /> *...the humanoid Cylons are watching the documentary as well in an abandoned movie theater on Cylon-occupied [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. A copy of [[Number Six]] is impressed at the resilience of the humans, and asks about the fate of Caprica-Valerii's baby. A second, Caprica-based copy of D'anna Biers then turns around (Biers is now revealed to have been a [[humanoid Cylon]] the whole time), and tells her that both Caprica-Valerii and her baby survived her near-miscarriage. [[Aaron Doral]] says that the baby must be protected at all costs, and they must proceed with caution.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *The population count is now 47,853, a loss of two since &quot;[[Home, Part II]]&quot;, to account for the two [[Tom Zarek]] henchmen killed in that episode.<br /> *D'anna Biers makes the same comment about Baltar that Roslin made in &quot;[[33]]&quot;.<br /> *We finally learn [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]]'s first name as she is interviewed by Biers: ''Anastasia''.<br /> *Gaeta's first name is revealed as ''[[Felix Gaeta|Felix]]''. He also shows a wild side in the form of a tattoo on his chest, which he got when he was drunk, and he has taken up smoking. Perhaps this isn't so much a sign of a previously unrevealed wild side, but a sign that Gaeta's composure is starting to get frayed from constant stress (This is confirmed in the following episode, &quot;[[Flight of the Phoenix]]&quot;).<br /> *Racetrack is given a full name: ''[[Margaret Edmondson]]''.<br /> *The music aired at the end of the documentary is the Colonial Fanfare last heard in the [[Miniseries]]: the theme from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original series]]. In the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]], it is the [[Colonial anthem|anthem]] of the Twelve Colonies.<br /> *Adama uses the phrase &quot;warts and all.&quot; This phrase was coined by 17th-Century English dictator (&quot;Lord Protector&quot;) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell Oliver Cromwell].<br /> *Timeline-wise, Colonel Tigh says there has been no Cylon contacts for 10 days. Tigh was in command of ''Galactica'' for &quot;over a week&quot; (from &quot;[[Scattered]]&quot; to &quot;[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]&quot;).<br /> *Colonial video feeds are octagonal, but video screens are, probably for production and budget reasons, rectangular.<br /> *Captain [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] appears fulfilling his duties as [[Landing Signal Officer]] by coordinating Viper landings. This scene further explains the &quot;where was Kelly between the Mini-Series and Season 2&quot; question: Kelly doesn't work in the [[CIC]], but in the port [[Flight pod|flight pod]] itself.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have not only buried the hatchet by this episode, but are working jointly and appear to have developed a camaraderie.<br /> *This episode contains the first scene on ''Colonial One'' since &quot;[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]&quot;.<br /> *Cultural/linguistic oddity: Apollo refers to Kat and Hot Dog as &quot;tweedledum and tweedledee&quot;, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Lewis Carroll|Lewis Carroll]].<br /> *In Helo's interview with D'anna Biers, the caption reads &quot;Karl C. Agathon, Lieutenant, CF&quot;. This is not just a clipped writing of &quot;Lieutenant, Junior Grade&quot;: according to an [http://scifibrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=3165&amp;Itemid=0 interview] with [[Tahmoh Penikett]], when Helo returned to ''Galactica'' after being stranded on Caprica for months he was promoted to full Lieutenant. However he had been wearing full Lieutenant rank insignia from the beginning of the series.<br /> *The original airdate was to be September 2nd, 2005. However, SciFi Channel ran a Stargate SG-1 Viewers Choice Marathon for the [[Wikipedia:Labor Day|Labor Day]] Weekend.<br /> *Originally, Palladino was supposed to commit suicide in front of Colonel Tigh, but the network felt that this was too heavy &lt;ref&gt;{{cite_web|url=http://tv.ign.com/articles/808/808546p1.html|title=SDCC 07: Galactica -- What if Gaeta Had Died?|date=|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=}}&lt;/ref&gt;.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> *The Cylons deploy two [[Raider]]s to ''Galactica'' to transmit Biers's video documentary back to Caprica. Does this mean the Cylons know ''exactly'' where the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] is, and have simply chosen ''not'' to intercept it? Is keeping the Fleet alive part of their &quot;plan&quot;?<br /> ** Possibly, in the &quot;de-briefing&quot; towards the end of the episode, Caprica-Biers means the two Raiders transmitted the footage she cut from the documentary (showing Helo's Boomer in sickbay). It is likely they mean that they picked up the whole &quot;show&quot; from Fleet transmissions and the snippet from the two Raiders. <br /> **Or, are the Cylons ''now'' refraining from sending in a full [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and Raider wing to attack ''Galactica'' because they are worried that a direct attack on ''Galactica'' will result in the death of Caprica-Valerii and her hybrid daughter? That is, they would have attacked it if this Valerii wasn't on board, but was sending two Raiders in now simply a reconnaissance mission? The Cylons did say that they want to proceed cautiously. <br /> **However, the two Raiders don't jump in to the Fleet's vicinity, they fly in normally. Perhaps the Cylons actually ''don't'' know exactly where the Fleet is, and these Raiders may have been searching for days to find them. Seeing as the Cylons on Caprica are not aware that the Caprica-Valerii is still alive, perhaps they also truly aren't aware of the Fleet's location, and other Cylons in the Fleet cannot transmit messages back to Caprica because they are out of range (though a nearby Cylon ship might be close enough). (''[[Pegasus (episode)|Answer]]'')<br /> **In light of all this, have the Cylons ''not'' been using their entire strength against the Colonials in combat? Have they, in effect, been &quot;toying&quot; with them? This could explain the relative lop-sidedness of the Colonials' military victories since the initial destruction of the Colonies. <br /> *Dualla states that ''Galactica's'' carbon dioxide scrubbers run &quot;24 hours a day&quot;; this would seem to establish that the Colonial Fleet operates on a 24-hour day. This could possibly be based on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]'s orbital rotation (where the seat of the [[government]] was located). Yet, all 12 Colonies couldn't possible all have the same axial rotation time. This 24 hour day might seem an automatic assumption, but other science fiction series sometimes depart from the convention: For example, on ''[[memoryalpha:Star Trek:Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'', the titular space station actually runs on a 26 hour day, because it follows Bajor's local time (which has a 26 hour rotation period).<br /> *On ''[[Colonial One]]'', Roslin is no longer surrounded by her [[Presidential Security Service]] agents, but rather by ''Galactica'' Marines - Adama's insurance against any more misbehavior? Perhaps they were only there to escort Commander Adama while he was off of ''Galactica''.<br /> *As aired, it appears that Biers gets a free reign to produce whatever she wants. While Adama's agreement to broadcast it throughout the Fleet could mean that he might also have rejected the documentary if necessary, this is not made a clear. A [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Final Cut|deleted scene]] clarifies that Roslin gives Adama the right to the &quot;final cut&quot;, and thus the power to censor the documentary if he feels that it presents ''Galactica'' in an unfavorable light.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> *Does Biers's discovery of pregnant Caprica-Valerii on ''Galactica'' alter her intended goal with the documentary?<br /> *Would the documentary have presented ''Galactica'' and her crew in a more negative light and thus perform a journalistic hatchet job on how the rest of the Fleet perceived Adama and the military?<br /> *Would Adama and Roslin still have allowed the documentary to be broadcast if it had been 'negative?' (See [[#Analysis|Analysis]])<br /> *Now that the documentary has aired, with Biers's image visibly throughout the film, has Sharon Valerii seen the film? Or, has the film been banned for her viewing?<br /> *If she had viewed the documentary, would Valerii inform ''Galactica's'' command of Biers' true nature, or the identity of other agents in the Fleet, if they were known to her?<br /> *Why was Biers not included in any press pools that occurred prior to her finding the Gideon tape and therefore making the acquaintance of the President and Commander Adama? Was she a tabloid reporter and not granted Presidential press room status?<br /> *At the end of the episode, Biers says that the Cylons &quot;lost two Raiders relaying the images back to ''the Fleet''&quot; from ''Galactica''. She didn't say &quot;from ''Galactica'' back to ''Caprica''&quot;. Does this imply that there is a main Cylon fleet following ''Galactica''? (That is, as opposed to many basestars spread out across a large region of space in a search pattern.) ([[Pegasus (episode)|Answer]])<br /> *Does any military personnel ever resign from ''Galactica'' on their own? ([[Six of One|Answer]])<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> <br /> * ''After meeting Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] for the first time:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' What a strange little man.<br /> <br /> * ''D'Anna Biers is filming an interview with [[Lee Adama]]:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' You seem to think that your pilots deserve special consideration.<br /> :'''Lee Adama:''' Actually, I do. Like everyone else, my pilots have lost their families, their friends, everyone they ever cared about; but on top of that they're asked to put their lives on the line every single day, for a fleet that seems more interested in what they do wrong than in what they do right. They're not asking for your pity, but they damn well deserve your respect.<br /> <br /> * ''D'Anna Biers is interviewing [[Racetrack]]:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' Are you afraid when you go into combat?<br /> :'''Racetrack:''' First thing they tell you is to assume you're already dead. <br /> :'''D'Ana Biers:''' Well that sounds ghoulish.<br /> :'''Racetrack:''' Yeah, maybe. But dead men don't get scared and freeze up under fire. Me, I'm just worried that hell's gonna be a lonely place, and I'm gonna fill it up with every Toaster son of a bitch I find.<br /> <br /> * ''D'Anna Biers is interviewing Lieutenant Gaeta. Gaeta is slightly disheveled, and is smoking a cigarette:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' Does that help you cope with the stress?<br /> :'''Felix Gaeta:''' Not really. Look, um, all that I ever wanted was to be an officer on a battlestar, okay? I trained my whole life, I trained harder than anyone in my unit. Basically, I put my life on hold until I was assigned to ''Galactica''. Then the Cylons hit and I realized that this is all that I know: tech manuals, commands, and tactics, you know? I'm not saying that I'm unhappy...I'm just wondering if there's something more. <br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' And what have you discovered?<br /> :'''Felix Gaeta:''' ...(takes a long drag, coughs)...I hate cigarettes. [[Ambrosia]]'s good with a chaser. And, if you have enough Ambrosia...(Gaeta pulls back his shirt to reveal an ugly tattoo of a tiger on his upper right chest)...it don't hurt that much.<br /> <br /> * ''The closing voice-over narration to Biers's documentary on ''Galactica'', which runs over a montage of images from the ship. The [[Colonial anthem]] tinkles in the background and gradually builds to up to a grand swell:''<br /> :'''D'Anna Biers:''' I came to ''Galactica'' to tell a story. In all honesty I thought I knew what that story was before I ever set foot there: how an arrogant military let their egos get in the way of doing their jobs, safeguarding the lives of the civilian population. But I found out that the truth was more complex than that. These people aren't Cylons. They're not robots blindly following orders and polishing their boots. They're people. Deeply flawed, yes, but deeply human too, and maybe that's saying the same thing. What struck me most is that despite it all - the hardships, the stress, the ever present danger of being killed - despite all that, they never give up. They never lie down in the road and let the truck run them over. They wake up in the morning, put on their uniforms and do their jobs. Every day. No pay, no rest, no hope of ever laying down the burden or letting someone else do the job. There are no relief troops coming, no Colonial Fleet training new recruits every day. The people on ''Galactica'' are ''it''. They are the thin line of blue that separates us from the Cylons. Lt. Gaeta told me a remarkable statistic; not a single member of Galactica's crew has asked to resign, not one. Think about that. If you wore the uniform wouldn't you want to quit? To step aside and say &quot;Enough! Let someone else protect the fleet?&quot; I know I would. But then, I don't wear a uniform. Most of us don't, most of us never will. The story of ''Galactica'' isn't that people make bad decisions under pressure, it's that those mistakes are the exception. Most of the time the men and women serving under Commander Adama get it right. The proof is that our fleet ''survives''. And with ''Galactica'' at our side, we '''''will''''' endure. This is D'anna Biers, Fleet News Service.<br /> <br /> * ''The camera pulls back to show a movie theater on Cylon-occupied [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], where the humanoid Cylons are watching a copy of the documentary, as Biers's ending narration finishes:''<br /> :'''Aaron Doral:''' That was shown across their entire fleet.<br /> :'''Number Six:''' Their resilience is remarkable.<br /> :'''Sharon Valerii:''' Play the footage that was cut. (camera footage plays of Helo's Sharon in ''Galactica's'' Sickbay)<br /> :'''Sharon Valerii:''' I'm still alive?! She's still alive! I told you.<br /> :'''Number Six:''' That's incredible. And the [[Hera Agathon|baby]]?<br /> :'''Biers:''' (speaking without her usual New Zealand accent, but with a general American accent) It was saved. We lost two Raiders relaying the images back to the Fleet, but I think the sacrifice was worth it.<br /> :'''Aaron Doral:''' We must proceed with caution. The child's life must be protected at all costs.<br /> :'''Biers:''' Yeah. Truly is a miracle from [[God (RDM)|God]].<br /> <br /> == Guest stars ==<br /> *[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]<br /> *[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl &quot;Helo&quot; Agathon]]<br /> *[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]<br /> *[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]<br /> *[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br /> *[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]<br /> *[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]<br /> *[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne &quot;Kat&quot; Katraine]]<br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hot Dog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> *[[Patrick &quot;Flick&quot; Harrison|Patrick Harrison]] as [[Bell]]<br /> *[[Kevan Kase]] as PFC [[Scott Kelso]]<br /> *[[Yee Jee Tso]] as Staffer<br /> *[[Curtis Lee Hicks]] as Marine Sergeant<br /> *[[Aleks Paunovic]] as Sergeant [[Omar Fischer|Fischer]]<br /> *[[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]<br /> *[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> *[[Jeremy Guilbaut]] as Lt. [[Joe Palladino|Joe Palladino]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{episode list (RDM season 2)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Robert Young]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Die Reporterin]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''<br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image= 411 pilot meeting.jpg<br /> | title= The Hub<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 9<br /> | forumthread= 1262<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Jane Espenson]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Paul Edwards]]<br /> | production= 411<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=10 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39674<br /> | population= 39673<br /> | prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]<br /> | next= [[Revelations]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub|battle plan]] to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> :''The episode takes place concurrently with &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> * Starting off from the last events of &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, [[Laura Roslin]], [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] are brought before the rebel Cylon basestar's Hybrid. After a [[Number Eight]] reconnects the [[Hybrid]], she unexpectedly jumps the ship.<br /> * During the jump, Roslin finds herself in empty corridors of ''[[Galactica]]''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt;. As she looks around, Elosha appears behind her. After they hug, the vision stops and Roslin finds herself back in the Hybrid's room. Roslin inquires after the Hybrid's abilities as the Eight tries to get information from the [[data-font]], however the Hybrid jumps the ship again, and Roslin finds herself back with Elosha in ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'s&lt;/nowiki&gt; empty corridors. Roslin makes this observation, to which Elosha replies that it makes the ship feel bigger; Roslin further points out that the experience is strange, to which Elosha replies &quot;many things are strange&quot;.<br /> * The two end up in [[sickbay]], where the only occupied (and lit) bed is occupied by Roslin herself, who is dying.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.<br /> *The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.<br /> *When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].<br /> *Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> [[Image:411 Roslin and Baltar with Hybrid.jpg|thumb|Roslin and Baltar attempting to talk to the Hybrid about the [[Opera House]] vision.]]<br /> <br /> *In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A Six tells them the rebel pilots are just as well trained as the humans, and the Eight reminds them that they learned to trust Athena, and so they can also trust their rebel allies.<br /> *Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.<br /> *Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.<br /> *After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well. <br /> *Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to carry out her request.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.<br /> *Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.<br /> *Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.<br /> *Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.<br /> *[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.<br /> *On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.<br /> *Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.<br /> *Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> *Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.<br /> *Baltar continues to beg for his life.<br /> *There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a &quot;case-by-case basis&quot;.<br /> *With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.<br /> *Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.<br /> *Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she is the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.<br /> *Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.<br /> *Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> === Story ===<br /> <br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.<br /> *The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot; occur over the course of two days.<br /> * Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.<br /> <br /> === Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.<br /> *There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.<br /> *With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.<br /> * As previously shown in &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].<br /> * This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> * Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;. Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].<br /> * Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see &quot;something shiny&quot; seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.<br /> * The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]&quot;. In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force (''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'') [[Battle for the Resurrection Ship|takes on]] an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.<br /> * Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; (and had a vague inkling of in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;) have finally been confirmed.<br /> * There is a discontinuity—or at least an enigma—regarding the download process that is re-introduced by this episode (having been introduced in &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;). In this episode, the Number Eight who downloaded [[Sharon Agathon]]'s memories notes that her memories are accessible by the others. This correlates with the fact that Agathon was killed and downloaded in &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;, thereby adding her memories to their repository. However, earlier in [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]], Agathon somehow has access to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii]]'s memories, but was never killed or resurrected in the [[Miniseries]]. There is no explanation for this, other than an inference that Cylons can share memories outside of the actual download and resurrection process; how Valerii was able to do this after leaving [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] is unknown.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> === About the Hub ===<br /> <br /> *What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?<br /> *Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?<br /> *Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?<br /> *Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off the Hub before it is destroyed?<br /> *Why didn't the Vipers simply magnetically grapple themselves to the underside of the Heavy Raiders, instead of relying on tow cables?<br /> <br /> === About the Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii (&quot;Pet Eight&quot;) affect her?<br /> *Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?<br /> *Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories as well?<br /> *How do other living Cylons (presumably of the same model) access and absorb the memories of downloaded Cylons?<br /> *Will Agathon inform his wife that other Eights have been accessing her memories? If so, will this affect their relationship?<br /> *What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship?<br /> *How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?<br /> *Will the Cylons&amp;mdash;especially with Natalie dead&amp;mdash;return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three?<br /> *How will Sharon Agathon and [[Caprica-Six]] react to learning of the Hub's destruction?<br /> <br /> === About the Humans ===<br /> <br /> *Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?<br /> *What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?<br /> *Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?<br /> *Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?<br /> *Will [[Lee Adama]] relinquish the presidency back to Laura Roslin?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> * ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:'' <br /> :'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]<br /> :'''Cavil''': Boomer is my &quot;Pet Eight&quot;. She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.<br /> :'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern] <br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''<br /> :'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.<br /> <br /> * ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''<br /> :'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.<br /> :'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.<br /> <br /> * ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''<br /> :'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?<br /> :[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]<br /> :'''William Adama:''' Laura.<br /> :'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Love.&quot; Huh!'<br /> :[Life monitor flatlines] <br /> :'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.<br /> <br /> * ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''<br /> :'''Adama''': Missed you.<br /> :'''Roslin''': Me too.<br /> :'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.<br /> :'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.<br /> <br /> * ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:<br /> : &quot;[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''<br /> : '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.<br /> : '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.<br /> : '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?<br /> : '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.<br /> : '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.<br /> :[Roslin freezes shocked]<br /> : '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> *[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]<br /> *[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]] <br /> *[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]<br /> *[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]<br /> *[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]] <br /> *[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] <br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]] <br /> *[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]]<br /> *[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]]<br /> *[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hub, The}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hub&diff=162777 2008-06-09T15:03:26Z

<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''<br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image= 4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg<br /> | title= The Hub<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 9<br /> | forumthread= 1262<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Jane Espenson]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Paul Edwards]]<br /> | production= 411<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=10 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39674<br /> | population= 39673<br /> | prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]<br /> | next= [[Revelations]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a battle plan to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> :''The episode takes place concurrently with &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> *After the [[Hybrid]] unexpectedly initiates an [[FTL]] jump, [[Laura Roslin]] has a brief vision of herself and [[Elosha]] standing in ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s empty hallways.<br /> *The Hybrid soon makes a second jump, and Roslin's vision continues. In [[sickbay]] she encounters a dying version of herself.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.<br /> *The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.<br /> *When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].<br /> *Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> *In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A six tells them the rebel pilots are just as well trained as the humans, and the Eight reminds them that they learned to trust Athena, and so they can also trust their rebel allies.<br /> *Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.<br /> *Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.<br /> *After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well. <br /> *Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to carry out her request.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.<br /> *Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.<br /> *Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.<br /> *Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.<br /> *[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.<br /> *On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.<br /> *Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.<br /> *Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> *Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.<br /> *Baltar continues to beg for his life.<br /> *There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a &quot;case-by-case basis&quot;.<br /> *With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.<br /> *Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.<br /> *Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she is the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.<br /> *Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.<br /> *Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> === Story ===<br /> <br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.<br /> *The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot; occur over the course of two days.<br /> * Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.<br /> <br /> === Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.<br /> *There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.<br /> *With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.<br /> * As previously shown in &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].<br /> * This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> * Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;. Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].<br /> * Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see &quot;something shiny&quot; seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.<br /> * The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]&quot;. In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force takes on an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.<br /> * Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; (and had a vague inkling of in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;) have finally been confirmed.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> *What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?<br /> *Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?<br /> *Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?<br /> *Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off of the Hub before it is destroyed?<br /> *How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii (&quot;Pet Eight&quot;) affect her?<br /> *Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?<br /> *Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories, and how will this affect her relationship with Karl Agathon?<br /> *What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship?<br /> *How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?<br /> *Will the Cylons - especially with Natalie dead - return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three?<br /> *Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?<br /> *What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?<br /> *Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?<br /> *Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> * ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:'' <br /> :'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]<br /> :'''Cavil''': Boomer is my &quot;Pet Eight&quot;. She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.<br /> :'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern] <br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''<br /> :'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.<br /> <br /> * ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''<br /> :'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.<br /> :'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.<br /> <br /> * ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''<br /> :'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?<br /> :[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]<br /> :'''William Adama:''' Laura.<br /> :'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Love.&quot; Huh!'<br /> :[Life monitor flatlines] <br /> :'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.<br /> <br /> * ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''<br /> :'''Adama''': Missed you.<br /> :'''Roslin''': Me too.<br /> :'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.<br /> :'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.<br /> <br /> * ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:<br /> : &quot;[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''<br /> : '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.<br /> : '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.<br /> : '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?<br /> : '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.<br /> : '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.<br /> :[Roslin freezes shocked]<br /> : '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> *[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]<br /> *[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]] <br /> *[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]<br /> *[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]<br /> *[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]] <br /> *[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] <br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]] <br /> *[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]]<br /> *[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]]<br /> *[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hub, The}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hub&diff=162776 2008-06-09T14:55:45Z

<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''<br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image= 4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg<br /> | title= The Hub<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 9<br /> | forumthread= 1262<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Jane Espenson]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Paul Edwards]]<br /> | production= 411<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=10 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39674<br /> | population= 39673<br /> | prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]<br /> | next= [[Revelations]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a battle plan to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> :''The episode takes place concurrently with &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> *After the [[Hybrid]] unexpectedly initiates an [[FTL]] jump, [[Laura Roslin]] has a brief vision of herself and [[Elosha]] standing in ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s empty hallways.<br /> *The Hybrid soon makes a second jump, and Roslin's vision continues. In [[sickbay]] she encounters a dying version of herself.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.<br /> *The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.<br /> *When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].<br /> *Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> *In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A six tells them the rebel pilots are just as well trained as the humans, and the Eight reminds them that they learned to trust Athena, and so they can also trust their rebel allies.<br /> *Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.<br /> *Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.<br /> *After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well. <br /> *Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to carry out her request.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.<br /> *Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.<br /> *Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.<br /> *Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.<br /> *[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.<br /> *On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.<br /> *Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.<br /> *Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> *Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.<br /> *Baltar continues to beg for his life.<br /> *There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a &quot;case-by-case basis&quot;.<br /> *With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.<br /> *Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.<br /> *Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.<br /> *Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.<br /> *Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> === Story ===<br /> <br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.<br /> *The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot; occur over the course of two days.<br /> * Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.<br /> <br /> === Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.<br /> *There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.<br /> *With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.<br /> * As previously shown in &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].<br /> * This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> * Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;. Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].<br /> * Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see &quot;something shiny&quot; seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.<br /> * The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]&quot;. In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force takes on an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.<br /> * Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; (and had a vague inkling of in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;) have finally been confirmed.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> *What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?<br /> *Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?<br /> *Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?<br /> *Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off of the Hub before it is destroyed?<br /> *How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii (&quot;Pet Eight&quot;) affect her?<br /> *Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?<br /> *Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories, and how will this affect her relationship with Karl Agathon?<br /> *What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship?<br /> *How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?<br /> *Will the Cylons - especially with Natalie dead - return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three?<br /> *Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?<br /> *What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?<br /> *Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?<br /> *Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> * ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:'' <br /> :'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]<br /> :'''Cavil''': Boomer is my &quot;Pet Eight&quot;. She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.<br /> :'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern] <br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''<br /> :'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.<br /> <br /> * ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''<br /> :'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.<br /> :'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.<br /> <br /> * ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''<br /> :'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?<br /> :[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]<br /> :'''William Adama:''' Laura.<br /> :'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Love.&quot; Huh!'<br /> :[Life monitor flatlines] <br /> :'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.<br /> <br /> * ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''<br /> :'''Adama''': Missed you.<br /> :'''Roslin''': Me too.<br /> :'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.<br /> :'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.<br /> <br /> * ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:<br /> : &quot;[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''<br /> : '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.<br /> : '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.<br /> : '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?<br /> : '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.<br /> : '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.<br /> :[Roslin freezes shocked]<br /> : '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> *[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]<br /> *[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]] <br /> *[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]<br /> *[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]<br /> *[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]] <br /> *[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] <br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]] <br /> *[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]]<br /> *[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]]<br /> *[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hub, The}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]</div>

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<p>Xlynx: too much &quot;them&quot; and &quot;they&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''<br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image= 4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg<br /> | title= The Hub<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 9<br /> | forumthread= 1262<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Jane Espenson]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Paul Edwards]]<br /> | production= 411<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=10 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39674<br /> | population= 39673<br /> | prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]<br /> | next= [[Revelations]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a battle plan to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> :''The episode takes place concurrently with &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> *After the [[Hybrid]] unexpectedly initiates an [[FTL]] jump, [[Laura Roslin]] has a brief vision of herself and [[Elosha]] standing in ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s empty hallways.<br /> *The Hybrid soon makes a second jump, and Roslin's vision continues. In [[sickbay]] she encounters a dying version of herself.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.<br /> *The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.<br /> *When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].<br /> *Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> *In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A six tells them the rebel pilots are just as well trained as the humans, and the Eight reminds them that they learned to trust Athena, and so they can also trust their rebel allies.<br /> *Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.<br /> *Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.<br /> *After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well. <br /> *Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to as she says.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.<br /> *Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.<br /> *Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.<br /> *Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.<br /> *[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.<br /> *On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.<br /> *Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.<br /> *Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> *Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.<br /> *Baltar continues to beg for his life.<br /> *There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a &quot;case-by-case basis&quot;.<br /> *With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.<br /> *Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.<br /> *Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.<br /> *Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.<br /> *Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> === Story ===<br /> <br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.<br /> *The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot; occur over the course of two days.<br /> * Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.<br /> <br /> === Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.<br /> *There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.<br /> *With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.<br /> * As previously shown in &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].<br /> * This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> * Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;. Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].<br /> * Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see &quot;something shiny&quot; seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.<br /> * The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]&quot;. In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force takes on an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.<br /> * Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; (and had a vague inkling of in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;) have finally been confirmed.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> *What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?<br /> *Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?<br /> *Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?<br /> *Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off of the Hub before it is destroyed?<br /> *How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii (&quot;Pet Eight&quot;) affect her?<br /> *Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?<br /> *Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories, and how will this affect her relationship with Karl Agathon?<br /> *What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship?<br /> *How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?<br /> *Will the Cylons - especially with Natalie dead - return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three?<br /> *Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?<br /> *What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?<br /> *Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?<br /> *Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> * ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:'' <br /> :'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]<br /> :'''Cavil''': Boomer is my &quot;Pet Eight&quot;. She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.<br /> :'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern] <br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''<br /> :'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.<br /> <br /> * ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''<br /> :'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.<br /> :'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.<br /> <br /> * ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''<br /> :'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?<br /> :[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]<br /> :'''William Adama:''' Laura.<br /> :'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Love.&quot; Huh!'<br /> :[Life monitor flatlines] <br /> :'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.<br /> <br /> * ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''<br /> :'''Adama''': Missed you.<br /> :'''Roslin''': Me too.<br /> :'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.<br /> :'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.<br /> <br /> * ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:<br /> : &quot;[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''<br /> : '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.<br /> : '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.<br /> : '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?<br /> : '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.<br /> : '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.<br /> :[Roslin freezes shocked]<br /> : '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> *[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]<br /> *[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]] <br /> *[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]<br /> *[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]<br /> *[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]] <br /> *[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] <br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]] <br /> *[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]]<br /> *[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]]<br /> *[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hub, The}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=The_Hub&diff=162774 2008-06-09T14:36:09Z

<p>Xlynx: make meaning a little clearer</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''<br /> {{Episode Data<br /> | image= 4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg<br /> | title= The Hub<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 9<br /> | forumthread= 1262<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer= [[Jane Espenson]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director= [[Paul Edwards]]<br /> | production= 411<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | CAN airdate= 06 June 2008<br /> | UK airdate=10 June 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation= 39674<br /> | population= 39673<br /> | prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]<br /> | next= [[Revelations]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> <br /> : ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a battle plan to unbox the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> :''The episode takes place concurrently with &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot;<br /> <br /> === Teaser ===<br /> *After the [[Hybrid]] unexpectedly initiates an [[FTL]] jump, [[Laura Roslin]] has a brief vision of herself and [[Elosha]] standing in ''Galactica''&lt;nowiki&gt;'&lt;/nowiki&gt;s empty hallways.<br /> *The Hybrid soon makes a second jump, and Roslin's vision continues. In [[sickbay]] she encounters a dying version of herself.<br /> <br /> === Act 1 ===<br /> *An [[Number Eight|Eight]] determines that the Hybrid is panicking due to [[Natalie]]'s injury. [[Gaius Baltar]] attempts to calm her, initially appearing to be successful, but the Hybrid jumps again. Roslin's vision continues, and she sees [[Kara Thrace]], Dr. [[Cottle]] and the Adamas standing over her bed. Elosha speaks to the dying Roslin, chastising her for her lack of empathy.<br /> *The Eight tells [[Karl Agathon]] that the Hybrid is following the [[Resurrection Hub]] and discusses an attack strategy with him.<br /> *When the Eight massages Agathon's back, he comments that [[Sharon Agathon|his wife]] learned to do so only after meeting him, and the Eight reveals that she accessed Athena's memories from her [[Rapture|last download]].<br /> *Agathon speaks to Roslin in the Raptor. The president tells him that he is to bring [[Number Three]] directly to her and not to the Cylons.<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, a D'Anna Biers is awakened by [[Number One|Cavil]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], who tell her about the [[Cylon Civil War]] that was caused by her actions. Three makes a disparaging remark about the Eights' fickleness.<br /> <br /> === Act 2 ===<br /> *In the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] hangar, Agathon and an Eight give a mission briefing to a number of [[Number Six|Sixes]], Eights and Colonial pilots. Several pilots, notably [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]] and [[Eammon Pike]], express concerns about their safety and the reliability of the Cylon pilots. A six tells tells them that they are just as well trained as them, and the Eight tells them that they trust Athena, and can trust them just as well.<br /> *Baltar and Roslin attempt to question the Hybrid with little success. They bicker and Baltar walks off, and then the Hybrid declares that a Three has been unboxed and jumps again.<br /> *Continuing the vision, Elosha and Roslin walk through the hallways of ''Galactica''. Roslin speculates that Elosha and the visions are a manifestation of her subconscious. Roslin and Elosha see [[William Adama]] reading ''[[Searider Falcon]]'' to the dying Roslin.<br /> *After the jump, Baltar begins talking to a [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] about hierarchy and religion, asserting that the Centurion is loved by [[God (RDM)|God]] as well. <br /> *Speaking to Roslin, Agathon is disappointed that she wants to betray the alliance between humans and Cylons, and thinks that they can trust the Eights. Roslin tells him that he shouldn't let the experiences with his wife cloud his judgment and orders him to as she says.<br /> <br /> === Act 3 ===<br /> *On the Resurrection Hub, Boomer comments with alarm on the arrival of the rebel basestar. Cavil tries to convince Number Three to talk to the rebels and defuse the conflict, but she replies curtly and threatens to shout out the names of the [[Final Five]]. Boomer reports that the rebel basestar has launched 25 [[Heavy Raider]]s.<br /> *Outside the Hub, the Heavy Raiders release the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] they have been towing behind them. The Raiders attack defending basestars, while the Vipers head towards the Hub.<br /> *Cavil deduces that the rebels are attempting to destroy the Hub, and comments that doing so would be mass murder, and would make death permanent for Cylons. On hearing this Three breaks Cavil's neck and Boomer flees.<br /> *Missiles destroy a node at the top of the Hub, taking out its FTL drive. Subsequently, Agathon and the Eight head towards the Hub in a [[Raptor]]. On the Hub, they encounter the D'Anna Biers and the dead Cavil. Seeing explosions around them, Agathon tells Three to run and grabs her arm.<br /> *[[Eammon Pike]] panics as his Raptor is almost disabled and wants to jump back to the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Diana Seelix]] urges him not to, telling him that the Fleet is too far way. When Pike is initiating the jump, the Raptor his hit by fire from a Raider, hitting Pike in the chest, who manages to hit the jump button.<br /> *On the Hub, Agathon hesitates upon seeing a number of inert Numer Eight bodies. The Eight tells him they should leave, and drags the objecting Three.<br /> *Baltar continues to evangelize to the Centurion, but as the basestar is hit by a missile salvo, the explosion destroys the Centurion and seriously injures Baltar.<br /> *Two Marines carry Baltar to a bed while Roslin carries in a [[medkit]]. Roslin orders them out, bandaging Baltar and injecting him with [[morpha]]. In his drug-addled state Baltar talks to Roslin about religion, telling her that he once harbored terrible guilt. Pressed on what that guilt is for he tells Roslin that he unwittingly gave the Cylons the [[CNP|access codes]] prior to the [[fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. He compares the fall to the flood [[Pythia]] spoke of, which wiped out most of humanity and rejuvenated them. Shocked by Baltar's confession, Roslin tries to kill Baltar by removing his bandages. As he loses blood he begs her to stop.<br /> <br /> === Act 4 ===<br /> *Agathon announces that he has D'Anna Biers and orders a nuclear strike on the Hub. The Vipers fire nuclear missiles into the Hub, destroying it and at least one of the two enemy basestars.<br /> *Baltar continues to beg for his life.<br /> *There is another jump. In Roslin's vision, William Adama stands over a dying Roslin, while Roslin and Elosha watch them. Elosha convinces Roslin to show Baltar mercy, saying that humanity cannot be saved on a &quot;case-by-case basis&quot;.<br /> *With a sudden change of heart Roslin desperately checks to see if Baltar is still alive, then begins re-bandaging him.<br /> *Aboard the basestar with the Three, Agathon argues with the Eight, saying that his orders are to take Three to the president. The Eight is upset and Three comments cynically that such double-crossing is a very human trait.<br /> *Agathon brings Three to Roslin, who orders him out and tells him to not let anyone else in. Three immediately inspects the injured Baltar and speculates that he is likely to survive. When asked about the Final Five, she jokes Laura Roslin is one of them, but refuses to provide any information until she feels she is safe; the information being the only thing she has now that she the only Three left in the universe. She says she will tell Roslin who the Final Five are after she is taken back to the human Fleet.<br /> *Sometime later Roslin sits alone listening to the Hybrid. As the Hybrid jumps she has a final encounter with Elosha, whom she sees in the same room this time.<br /> *Waiting in space, William Adama sees the basestar jumping in. In the landing bay, he meets Laura Roslin. He tells her that he missed her and she admits her feelings too, saying that she loves him. The two embrace.<br /> <br /> == Notes == <br /> <br /> === Story ===<br /> <br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the top of the show notes the already established death on Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike]], whose body is discovered in the [[Raptor]] that managed to jump to the Fleet. Other human fatalities are impossible to determine as a result of the battle.<br /> *The events of this episode, starting from the [[Hybrid]]'s [[FTL|jump]] of the rebel [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in &quot;[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]&quot;, and [[William Adama]]'s mission to stay behind in a Raptor awaiting [[Laura Roslin]]'s return spans two days. Ergo, the events of &quot;[[Sine Qua Non]]&quot; occur over the course of two days.<br /> * Unlike previous episodes, this episode is part of the same overall story occurring concurrently with the episode before it (Sine Qua Non). The episode shows the events from the baseship's perspective, whereas &quot;Sine Qua Non&quot; shows the uncertainty and reactions to said uncertainty from the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]'s perspective.<br /> *Roslin and Adama have finally admitted their feelings for each other.<br /> <br /> === Cylons ===<br /> <br /> *[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode (appearing only in the recap at the beginning), and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.<br /> *There is only one [[Number Three]] in existence, and any possibility of [[Boxing|unboxing]] the others has been lost.<br /> *With the destruction of the Resurrection Hub, the Cylons have permanently lost the ability to download into new bodies.<br /> * As previously shown in &quot;[[The Farm]]&quot;, [[Heavy Raider]]s are piloted by humanoid Cylons unlike the smaller autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]].<br /> * This episode contains the first mention of [[Natalie]]'s name in dialogue.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> <br /> * Roslin enters a hallucinatory trance state as the basestar jumps about wildly. Roslin has not previously experienced this sensation during the Fleet's jumps, although Kara Thrace underwent something similar in &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;. Moreover, [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Henderson]] exhibited symptoms of vertigo during ''Galactica's'' first jump in the [[Miniseries, Night 2|Miniseries]].<br /> * Over the course of the series, the [[Number Eight|Eights]] have been notorious for shifting their alliances. [[Number Three]]'s comment about the Eight model's tendency to be passionate allies until they see &quot;something shiny&quot; seems to be yet another example of the fickle nature of the Number Eight model. A somewhat more direct observation of this fact is shown in &quot;[[Faith]]&quot; when [[Sharon Agathon]] denounces a group of Eights after hearing their desire to rebel against [[Natalie]] and the other [[Number Six]] models.<br /> * The battle in this episode bears a striking resemblance to &quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Parts I]] and [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|II]]&quot;. In both episodes, a shaky alliance between ''Galactica'' and another force takes on an ostensibly irreplaceable Cylon resurrection facility by first disabling its FTL capability and then engaging it directly with fighters. Furthermore, both sides plan to double-cross each other after the successful execution of the attack.<br /> * Roslin's suspicions of Baltar, which she has had since &quot;[[Epiphanies]]&quot; (and had a vague inkling of in &quot;[[Six of One]]&quot;) have finally been confirmed.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> *What role does the [[Resurrection Hub|Hub]] play in the proper functioning of other [[Resurrection Ship]]s? Why are these apparently vital functions centralized?<br /> *Why do the Cylons have only one Resurrection Hub and the implied inability to build another? If the Cylons are capable of building a new Hub, how long would it take them?<br /> *Why is the Hub so poorly defended by Cavil's faction?<br /> *Does [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] make it off of the Hub before it is destroyed?<br /> *How will Cavil's condescending attitude toward Sharon Valerii (&quot;Pet Eight&quot;) affect her?<br /> *Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?<br /> *Have other Eights have accessed Athena's memories, and how will this affect her relationship with Karl Agathon?<br /> *What will happen to the rebel Cylons and their baseship?<br /> *How will the rebel Cylons respond to Roslin's deception regarding [[Number Three]]?<br /> *Will the Cylons - especially with Natalie dead - return to their earlier plan of taking hostages in order to gain access to Three?<br /> *Is Roslin's vision of [[Elosha]] related to other characters' [[Virtual beings|internal manifestations]], such as Baltar's [[virtual Six]] or simply a manifestation of Roslin's subconsciousness, as Roslin believes? Or is it the Hybrid speaking to her as Elosha between the jumps, or the spirit of the real Elosha?<br /> *What will happen to Baltar now that his guilt regarding the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack on the Colonies]] has been revealed?<br /> *Is Baltar's evangelizing of the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] genuine or an attempt to obtain a useful ally? Does the Centurion fully understand Baltar's intentions?<br /> *Could Baltar's actions have any adverse effects on the thoughts of the other Centurions in some way?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> * ''[[D'Anna Biers]] has just been unboxed and resurrected and is in the tank. Sharon &quot;Boomer&quot; Valerii and Cavil are present. After being told that the Eights are on the opposite side of the Ones (Cavils) in the Cylon Civil War, Three inquires as to why Boomer is there:'' <br /> :'''Biers''' [looks at Boomer directly]: Boomer's an Eight. Shouldn't she be on the other side? [Boomer looks sternly at Three]<br /> :'''Cavil''': Boomer is my &quot;Pet Eight&quot;. She has seen the light of reason. An Eight can make a passionate ally.<br /> :'''Biers''' [contemptuously]: Oh, until she sees something shiny! [Boomer's expression is stern] <br /> <br /> *''Laura Roslin and [[Karl Agathon]] are discussing the possibility that a Three has been unboxed. Agathon disagrees with her plan to keep Three from the Cylons and doesn't think that the Cylons would betray them like that.''<br /> :'''Karl Agathon''' [shaking his head]: No, no, I don't think so. Not the Sharons, the Eights.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin''' [patiently but firmly]: Captain, you are not married to the entire production line. I cannot afford to be sentimental right now. I cannot afford you to be sentimental either. If you can't do this job, find me someone who can.<br /> <br /> * ''Aboard Karl Agathon's Raptor after the destruction of the Resurrection Hub:''<br /> :'''D'anna Biers:''' And with a whimper, every Cylon in the universe begins to die.<br /> :'''Number Eight:''' Yes, that's right, and it's a good thing, D'Anna, because now there's no difference. We can all start trusting each other.<br /> <br /> * ''In Roslin's vision, as Roslin and [[Elosha]] watch Adama stand over a dying Roslin:''<br /> :'''Elosha:''' I'm not saying Baltar's done more good than harm in the universe; he hasn't. The thing is, the harder it is to recognize someone's right to draw a breath, the more crucial it is. If humanity is going to prove itself worthy of surviving, it can't do it on a case by case basis. A bad man feels his death just as keenly as a good man.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' What do you want from me here?<br /> :[Adama appears at dying Roslin's bedside]<br /> :'''William Adama:''' Laura.<br /> :'''Elosha:''' Just love someone.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Love.&quot; Huh!'<br /> :[Life monitor flatlines] <br /> :'''William Adama:''' You go. You go. You go to your rest now. [Sobs] I'm not gonna be selfish anymore. You go. Rest.<br /> <br /> * ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other on the basestar's hangar deck:''<br /> :'''Adama''': Missed you.<br /> :'''Roslin''': Me too.<br /> :'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: I love you.<br /> :'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: About time.<br /> <br /> * ''[[Gaius Baltar]]'' reveals to Roslin his guilt over the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|original attacks on the Colonies]]:<br /> : &quot;[[Pythia]] talks about a flood that wiped out most of humanity. Nobody blames the flood. The flood is a force of nature. Through the flood, mankind is rejuvenated -- born again. I was not a flood, you see. I blamed myself... I blamed myself. But God had made the man who made that choice. God made us all perfect. And in that thought, all my guilt flies away -- flies away like a bird.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Number Three answering Laura Roslin's question:''<br /> : '''D'Anna Biers''': Suppose you've got some questions for me.<br /> : '''Roslin''': Yes I do. I'd like to talk about the five Cylons in my fleet.<br /> : '''Biers''': So you know about the Final Five?<br /> : '''Roslin''': I know they're supposed to know the way to Earth.<br /> : '''Biers''': But you don't know that you're one of them.<br /> :[Roslin freezes shocked]<br /> : '''Biers''': [Bursting out laughing] Please your face! [Roslin looks relieved and smirks] Oh, it's ridiculous. No. Look, I'm not giving you any names. Not until I feel like I'm safe. 'Cause information is all I got, sweetie.<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> *[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> *[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]] / [[D'Anna Biers]]<br /> *[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)<br /> *[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]] <br /> *[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]<br /> *[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]] / [[Cavil]]<br /> *[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]] <br /> *[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] <br /> *[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]] <br /> *[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon &quot;Gonzo&quot; Pike]]<br /> *[[Lee Jefferies]] as Lieutenant [[Paolo McKay|Paolo &quot;Redwing&quot; McKay]]<br /> *[[Leo Li Chiang]] as [[Tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hub, The}}<br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Jane Espenson]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Precipice/Archive_1&diff=162295 2008-06-01T14:52:20Z

<p>Xlynx: /* trucks */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>: For earlier discussions in this talk page prior to October 3, 2006, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Precipice&amp;oldid=81257 click here].<br /> <br /> <br /> __TOC__<br /> <br /> ==Production Number==<br /> What's up with &quot;Episode 1.5&quot;? Shouldn't this count as episode 2 of the season, even if it's being aired as a 2-hour premiere? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:53, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Thats what ive always said, but for some reason all the episode numbering is messed up. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])&lt;/sup&gt; 04:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :The writers officially count &quot;Occupation / Precipice&quot; as one episode. Bradley Thompson said that there will probably be only one intro. So &quot;Precipice&quot; still belongs to episode 1 (hence 1.5) and Season 3 only has 19 episodes on paper --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::However, in terms of budgeting and production, &quot;Occupation/Precipice&quot; was 3.01 and 3.02, while &quot;Exodus, Part I&quot; and &quot;Exodus, Part II&quot; were both 3.03. Clearly our numbering system shouldn't reflect the vagaries of production, or else both parts of &quot;Resurrection Ship&quot; would be episodes 2.11 and Season 2 would only have 19 episodes.<br /> ::At the same time, we should ask - were &quot;Occupation&quot; and &quot;Precipice&quot; truly edited into a single episode, or is SciFi simply airing two episodes back to back on premiere night? In the event of the former, there should be a single entry for both &quot;Occupation&quot; and &quot;Precipice&quot;. In the latter, they should retain separate entries, and each should have their own episode number (and none of this &quot;1.5&quot; business). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::FWIW, [http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/index.php3?date=6-OCT-2006&amp;feed_req SciFi's schedule] has the premiere listed as a single two-hour block under the title &quot;The Occupation/Precipice&quot;. I'd lay good money on them splitting it into two episodes for syndication, though. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::Well, you could wait until the episodes have aired and edit it then. But I asked Mr. Thompson about just this, and he said &quot;I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale&quot; in BW:OC. Good point about syndication though. Maybe the place where the break would be is cleary visible. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::::Having given it considerable thoght, I think the best reason not to merge them into a single article is that I don't want to be citing ([[The Occupation/Precipice]]) as a single unit for the rest of time. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 06:15, 3 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::::One thing I think people aren't getting that that there ARE 20 episodes. &quot;Occuprice&quot; is episode 1, Exodus part 1 is episode 2, so on, totaling up to twenty. (I think) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:13, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Whoops, scratch my previous comment that was here, I was wrong. For what it's worth, my DirecTV guide has it as a single two hour airing. With a repeat right after. Methinks that'll be good if there's a podcast for em.--[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:13, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::::::There are twenty ''hours'', and (if Occupation/Precipice is counted as one episode) nineteen episodes. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:34, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Why not refer to Occupation/Precipice as &quot;Episode 1,&quot; the following episode as &quot;Episode 3,&quot; place a link to &quot;Episode 1&quot; on the Precipice page, and whenever Precipice is referred to as a separate episode, call it &quot;Episode 2.&quot; Put a brief summary of Precipice in the Episode 2 article, put anything specific to Episode 2 in that article (if, say, there is a single Episode 2 podcast), and refer to the combined page for everything else. [[User:Joe n bloe|Joe n bloe]] 12:59, 9 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ===Suggestion===<br /> Here's a thought: Let's follow SciFi's lead with the podcasts. If they put up podcasts for two four-act shows, we'll keep it as two episodes; if they put up a single podcast for an eight-act show, we'll merge them into a single Occupation/Precipice article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:38, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Ya know, so far this is the best suggestion in this whole conversation because I somehow get the feeling that they at scifi are themselves not yet certain about what to call these 2 opening 5 act pieces,but by the time the show starts on Friday, I'm sure they will have it figured out so let's not do their job for them and try to guess what they will do. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 16:08, 4 October 2006 (AST)<br /> ::I suggest we wait till they air, and see if there's an end between the two. For what it's worth, my DirecTV onscreen guide is showing one two hour block with a repeat right after it. That'll be nice for the podcasts, watch the episode, then right after watch it with commentary. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:21, 4 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> Moore refers to the show as &quot;Occupation/Precipice&quot; in his [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/10/#a001414 latest blog entry]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:04, 5 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :RDM often will lead off each podcast with (outside the I'm RDM, etc.) &quot;and this is episode X of season Y, 'Z'&quot;. That may provide some insight as well if he continues that practice. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:53, 5 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/season03/ SciFi.com] gives the two-hour premiere production numbers 301 and 302. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:36, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Using the second content warning after the ''bombing'' as the start of ''Precipice''. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 06:43, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::RDM states this on the podcast too. Baltar/Roslin cell scene is the first of ''Precipice''. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::Exactly what I was going to say but noticed my comment didnt post (edit conflict) hehe --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])&lt;/sup&gt; 13:04, 9 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::Agree. Two ''different'' episodes. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 13:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Pic==<br /> What's that gold thing on Helo's lapel/uniform? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:52, 5 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Here is a better pic [[:Image:Greys_Mini.JPG]]. I believe that it is a symbol for the twelve colonies. But Kat doesn't have it?? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :It's a version of the Colonial seal with a smaller Phoenix in the center: http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=26&amp;pos=81 --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:17, 5 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::If we don't have a pic here, we need it. :) --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:18, 5 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::The best option is probably to make a high resolution screencap from DVD (if a suitable closeup is available). Episodes with dress grays: Miniseries, Act of Contrition, Home II --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 5 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> In the episode itself, Kat's Grays does have the lapel pin. I was specifically looking for it in the scene, it must be a mistake in this picture. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:12, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Yeah, made sure I checked that too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 10:14, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Kacey==<br /> I'd like to start a page for Kara's daughter, but I'm not really sure how to spell her name. Casey? Kasey? If it is Casey, we'll need to disambiguate, as there's already a pilot named that. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:47, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :I don't suppose anybody was watching with captions on? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:22, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::The credits have it has &quot;Kacey&quot; in the credits. Also, spelled that way the RDM Chicago Tribune article. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:51, 7 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::I had the captions on, and it was &quot;Kacey&quot;. --[[User:ThesposAZ|ThesposAZ]] 02:37, 8 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::I am a captions type of guy also. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 02:39, 8 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> Hey on the Answers thing for Kara's Duaghter says 16 months. That can't be right because it had to come to termm which would take nine months so two months after Baltar becomes the presisdent and the episode is 16 months subtract 2 months and she would be 14 months old and not 16 months old.- Best Snorkel378<br /> :Incorrect. Baltar was elected c. Day 280. The one-year jump brought us to c. Day 660 by the end of LDYB2. Occupation began on the 134th day of the Cylon occupation, bringing us to c. Day 794 - roughly 27 months after the holocaust. Kara's ovary was removed during The Farm, which took place roughly 2 months after the holocaust. Add nine months for gestation and we get 27-(2+9) = 16. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:36, 8 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::To clarify - your problem is that you're rounding dates down and the error is accumulating. The jump forward in LDYB2 was 380 days, which is about 12 and 2/3 months. Then the jump between LDYB2 and Occupation is 134 days, which is 4 and 1/2 months. On top of it, the election in LDYB2 didn't take place exactly 270 days after the holocaust - the debates lasted about ten days, which is another 1/3 month, and the events of &quot;Downloaded&quot; were ''also'' said to be about 9 months post-holocaust, which pushes LDYB2 a few days forward to make everything fit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:48, 8 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> Does anyone think that Kacey might have been deliberately injured while Kara was out of the room, to force her sentiments? The Cylons have been shown to inflict wounds on one another for the purpose of emotional manipulation before, to encourage feelings of love between humans and Cylons (the Litmus episode). Since Kara's imprisonment seems to be one big mind game, I can't shake this feeling. --[[User:tt25|tt25]] 15:57, 8 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> : I believe this to be likely. However, this is assuming that Kasey is Kara's biological child -- or even a hybrid at all. Kasey could just as easily be a child they picked up off the streets of New Caprica to mind-frak Kara. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&lt;/sup&gt; 15:51, 8 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :: I think, the actress does not fit to Kasey's age of 16 month. Children do their first steps, when they are about one year old. Kasey trampolines on the sofa and runs around. Her behaviour is too safe. -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:53, 9 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::She is however a human/cylon hybrid and might not necesserily match human development. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])&lt;/sup&gt; 12:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::The producers have been clear that Hera, another human/Cylon hybrid, will not have unusually fast growth. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:44, 9 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::: If anything, Hera has unusually SLOW growth. The scene where her adopted mother goes to be with her at the end of season 2 shows a baby, yet this was clearly 12+ months after she was born. She should have been larger and such. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 03:11, 10 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::::: She was born prematurely. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:48, 12 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Was that even Hera then though, or was it just a random other baby being looked after in the school/creché? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])&lt;/sup&gt; 04:24, 10 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::::::It was named as &quot;Isis&quot;, but the child's asian features, the fact that the mother was [[Maya]] (Hera's adopted mother in &quot;[[Downloaded]]&quot;), and (most tellingly) the white crib from Baltar's vision in &quot;Kobol's Last Gleaming&quot; imply that the child is Hera beyond all reasonable doubt. Also, recall that Roslin had intended to keep a close eye on the child, and note RDM's comments regarding an abandoned plotline featuring Hera/Isis in the Occuprice podcast. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:28, 10 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::::I just want to bring up the fudge factor when determining kasey's age in that she could have been a premee just like Hera. You could add as much as 3 months to her development. So what was the guess, 16 months? Add 3 months to that as a fudge factor and you get 19 months, that's close to 2 years. And since Cylon related births have a history of difficulty (No Cylon/Cylon children, all known forced Cylon/Human pregnancy have fail -- The Farm, first known surviving Cylon/Human baby &lt;Hera&gt; was a premee), it's reasonable to figure in a fudge factor. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 14:32, 12 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> Here is a thought. The cylon bodies that are waiting to be downloaded into have to be grown, right? Maybe they stopped the growth process of a Six, and that is where Kacey came from? Just another &quot;could be.&quot; in the BSG world.--[[User:CylonGod|CylonGod]] 00:17, 18 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :Nice thought, but what indicator is there that the bodies of Cylon agents have to be grown? IIRC, Starbuck's flyby of the [[Resurrection Ship]] only showed adult Sixes in their vats. It could be that they're constructed as adults from the get-go and not aged from a fetal core.--&lt;font color=&quot;#4b0082&quot;&gt;[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color=&quot;#2f4f4f&quot;&gt;''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''&lt;/font&gt; 13:49, 19 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Citations ==<br /> <br /> I added citations but it somehow made the spoiler text unreadable. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:56, 12 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I noted this and was unsuccessful in adding them back myself as I was massively concising the article while you made the attempt. I am adding the links here (WARNING: These links go to interviews that contain spoilers and, as with the technical issues, can't be hidden.)<br /> <br /> :*[http://www.mediablvd.com/magazine/Magazine-Home/MBMag_20060420145.html comments from Grace Park], [http://z9.invisionfree.com/Ragnar_Anchorage/index.php?showtopic=5610 Dean Stockwell], and [http://z9.invisionfree.com/Ragnar_Anchorage/index.php?showtopic=5655 Tricia Helfer]<br /> <br /> :--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:05, 12 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Does anyone have the copies of Battlestar Galactica Magazine so we can create official cites? I know these articles exist. but we really need the official &quot;cite&quot;. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:00, 12 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Agree. Linking to a members-only message board is hardly satisfactory. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:54, 13 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> :::Concur. I have the July issue and will look for the comments. I may have the Grace Park issue as well to confirm. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:37, 13 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> ::::Fairly sure that the Dean Stockwell comments are in the last issue, 7. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:26, 13 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> The citations linked above have all been deleted, and were never accessible to non-members in the first place. If the comments referring to these articles are to continue in the main namespace, then citations from the BSG magazine (or another appropriate source) must be supplied promptly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:53, 28 October 2006 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Here's an example that still works: http://galactica-station.blogspot.com/2006/09/six-shooter_115935580941130304.html <br /> I wish I could give a citation from the magazine, but I don't have any issues of it. Could someone please do that? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:44, 29 October 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> Ahem, has no one noticed the above? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 09:22, 8 November 2006 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Cylon on Cylon action ==<br /> <br /> Boomer's destruction of the basestar is a bad example, as being a sleeper agent she didn't have the cultural taboo active, and her success appears to have been instrumental in getting her in position to accomplish her mission. I'd use an example of known Cylon on known Cylon on that bullet (which I don't have off the top of my head). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Agreed. That doesn't really make any sense. There might be Caprica-Sharon shooting a Six in &quot;33&quot;, but one could argue that that doesn't count, because it was necessary. However, she does shoot another Sharon in &quot;[[Colonial Day]]&quot;. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::How about Caprica-Sharon using a Heavy Raider to shoot the crap out of some Centurions in [[The Farm]]? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 18:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> :::We're talking humanoid Cylons here. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::Not according to the quote, which says &quot;Cylon-on-Cylon violence&quot;. But even then, Caprica-Sharon shot a fellow Sharon in [[Colonial Day]]. D'Anna's statement may not be true, but she has no way of knowing that. The nuke in the basestar was done by a sleeper agent and had been ordered by a human, the Sharon in Colonial Day never saw her attacker, the Centurions who were shot to pieces in [[The Farm]] didn't resurrect (since they have no biological components, I think it's reasonable to assume Centurions have no conciousness and therefore don't download) and the Heavy Raider involved in that incident was taken to ''Galactica'' and never got a chance to communicate with the Cylons. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 19:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> ::::::She is referring to the attack on her in &quot;Downloaded&quot; and from their point of view, the humanoids ''are'' the Cylon. So by context, she's just talking about the humanoid models. You're right about the limited knowledge though. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == This guide... ==<br /> <br /> Is just plain bad. We need to expand, cleanup, and fix up! All people who have the Season 3 disc set, load this disc up and fix! Make it Act 1, etc. etc. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 22:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> :Yeah, I noticed that too. We didn't really do such extremely detailed summaries back then, but even for that time it seems lacking. The Analysis section could also be improved. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == trucks ==<br /> <br /> Where did the trucks come from? What ship in the colonial or cylon fleet would have trucks aboard and for what purpose? Could they have been designed and built within the 15 months on the planet? They also look remarkably &quot;Earth&quot; like, perhaps more than any other design in the series. Therefore it would be appropriate and interesting to give these a mention. [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 14:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Guess_What%27s_Coming_to_Dinner%3F&diff=162291 2008-06-01T14:25:11Z

<p>Xlynx: minor corrections to quote</p> <hr /> <div>{{Episode Data<br /> | image=4x07-GuessWhatsComingForDinner-Promo1.jpg<br /> | title= Guess What's Coming to Dinner?<br /> | season= 4<br /> | episode= 7<br /> | forumthread= 1092<br /> | guests=<br /> | writer=[[Michael Angeli]]<br /> | story=<br /> | director=[[Wayne Rose]]<br /> | production=409<br /> | rating=<br /> | US airdate=16 May 2008<br /> | CAN airdate=16 May 2008<br /> | UK airdate=20 May 2008<br /> | dvd=<br /> | oldpopulation=39675<br /> | population=39673<br /> | prev= [[Faith]]<br /> | next= [[Sine Qua Non]] <br /> | hulu= Y<br /> | unbox=B0019OFZYW<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == Overview ==<br /> :''Returning with the help of the ''[[Demetrius]]'', the [[Cylon Civil War|rebel Cylon faction]] requests an alliance with the Colonials in order to plan a joint-attack mission against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]’ vital [[Resurrection Hub]]. Meanwhile on ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Lee Adama]] and the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] express their mistrust of President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] and her secrecy regarding the new Cylon alliance. Aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] struggles with the prospect of un-boxing the [[Number Three|Threes]] in order to reveal the identities of the [[Final Five]], and [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] copes with the amputation of his leg.''<br /> <br /> == Summary == <br /> <br /> ===Teaser===<br /> * President [[Laura Roslin]] and [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum delegate]] [[Lee Adama]] listen to a taped broadcast from [[Cult of Baltar|cult]] leader [[Gaius Baltar]], claming Roslin is sharing of her [[chamalla|hallucinogenic visions]] with [[Sharon Agathon]] (currently on the secret and overdue ''[[Demetrius]]'' mission) and a [[Caprica-Six|captured Cylon]] in a [[brig]] on ''[[Galactica]]''. Adama brought the recording at the behest of the Quorum, who demand an explanation, as the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] has heard the broadcast as well.<br /> *When Adama presses Roslin for an answer, she asks him first how he thinks the Fleet would react to such information. Undaunted, he asks again. Roslin confirms Baltar's statement.<br /> *On the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] [[Kara Thrace]] and the ''Demetrius'' crew lead a rebel group of [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] back to the Fleet rendezvous as Sharon Agathon make last minute [[jump]] preparations.<br /> *Thrace warns [[Natalie]] and [[Leoben Conoy]] that the Cylons of their ship are on a path of no-return when they reach the Fleet, and that there aren't any guarantees when they approach the Fleet. She assumes Natalie will be the spokesperson in trying to avoid any hostilities.<br /> *[[Karl Agathon]] looks at the unconscious and injured [[Felix Gaeta]] before his preps the final calculations for the jump.<br /> *When Natalie brings up [[Hera Agathon]] in conversation as being beautiful, Agathon is shocked to find out that Natalie and other Cylons know the child's name.<br /> *''Demetrius'' misses the Fleet in its jump and must take a few moments before it can jump again, but the baseship ''does'' reach the Fleet, leaping right into its heart, where some of the Colonial ships have to scramble out of harm's way. Predictably, Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] and Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] bring ''Galactica'' up to [[action stations]], scrambling the alert Vipers.<br /> * Agathon tries to contact ''Galactica'' but the jump damaged their [[wireless]], leaving them without communication, and possibly vulnerable to attack.<br /> * Saul Tigh carefully watches [[DRADIS]] as eight Vipers approach the baseship. Tigh orders a weapons hold, stunning Admiral Adama but stopping any attack. Seconds later, ''Demetrius'' appears and verifies with ''Galactica'' that the baseship is disarmed and under Colonial command.<br /> <br /> ===Act 1===<br /> * Several [[Raptor]]s filled with [[Marine]]s launch from ''Galactica'' and enter the baseship. Colonel Tigh is part of the team. Thrace tells him, &quot;They're with me.&quot; &quot;Which one of them shot Gaeta?&quot; he asks.<br /> *Gaeta is rushed to [[sickbay]] in grave condition as Dr. [[Cottle]] yells out orders to his staff to bring a cut-down tray, suggesting an immediate amputation of Gaeta's leg.<br /> *In the [[wardroom]], Natalie explains that the [[Number Two]], [[Number Eight]] and [[Number Six]] models believe that seeking out the [[Final Five]] is important, while the [[Number One]], [[Number Four]] and [[Number Five]] models violently disagreed.<br /> * When Adama asks Natalie of the seventh model, she explains that the [[Number Three]]s were [[boxing|boxed]], and explains the process and why the D'Annas were boxed: they [[Rapture|saw]] the then-forbidden faces of the Five. She tells that unboxing the Threes could give them information that could lead them all to Earth, since the Final Five are believed to have come from there. Kara Thrace, in uniform and standing with Sharon Agathon, confirms Natalie's comment.<br /> * Natalie notes that the baseship can heal itself of its damage, but most of their [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] were destroyed [[The Ties That Bind|in the ambush]] by the dissenting models.<br /> * Roslin pointedly asks why the Fleet should trust these Cylons. Natalie tells that the boxing facility resides within the [[Resurrection Hub]], a facility that controls all [[Resurrection Ship]]s in existence. Natalie gives Roslin a reason to trust her and her renegade Cylons: Vengeance. The Cylon tells her that destroying the elusive Hub will destroy ''all'' Cylons ability to [[download]], making them all effectively mortal. When asked why they would do such a thing, Natalie simply says that she and her comrades are rebels and cannot go back in any case.<br /> *Adama presses for the coordinates of the Hub, but Natalie says she will only take them to the Hub, not give the coordinates. As Adama orders the marines to escort her away, Natalie changes her mind, promising to give the coordinates if Adama gives his word that D'Anna will be unboxed and the Cylons will be allowed to leave with the Five once the Threes identify them. Adama grudgingly gives his word.<br /> *Leaving the meeting, Adama asks Tigh how he knew to order a weapons hold at the moment of their attack on Natalie's baseship. Tigh hesitates but says he didn't know why. &quot;What can I say, we got lucky.&quot; Adama orders a Raptor to the coordinates of the Hub to investigate.<br /> *[[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arrive in an asteroid-filled area, and find the massive Hub, which appears to be twice the relative size of a guarding baseship. &quot;It's beautiful,&quot; Skulls comments. They take pictures and return quickly to the Fleet.<br /> *In sickbay, a gory scene begins as Cottle preps to remove Gaeta's leg. Gaeta wakes and strongly urges to be numbed and not anesthetized, not wanting to wake up to find his leg gone. Cottle accepts. Moments later, a saw's blade is heard tearing through Gaeta's leg as his face registers shock. [[Samuel Anders]], who shot Gaeta to stop him from jumping ''Demetrius'' hours before, looks on with regret from a distance.<br /> <br /> ===Act 2===<br /> *The civilian Fleet returns to join ''Galactica''. Adama, Tigh, Roslin and Karl Agathon discuss an attack strategy. With no Raiders and too few resources for ''Galactica'' to fight alone, Agathon suggests to use the baseship as a &quot;trojan horse&quot;, entering the Hub's vicinity with half of ''Galactica's'' Vipers to blow the FTL drive on the Hub. Roslin ponders the idea that the Cylons will become mortal enemies.<br /> *Tigh suggests destroying the Hub outright without resurrecting the Threes, reneging on Adama's word. Adama believes the Five could lead the Fleet to Earth but Roslin thinks the Five will be uncooperative after the Hub's destruction. Adama believes that the Five are like the rebel Cylons, but Roslin disagrees. Tigh is [[Final Five|visibly agitated about the discussion]], and again suggests destruction, putting trust in Roslin's way to Earth. <br /> *Roslin suggests a compromise plan: Unbox the D'Annas, destroy the Hub, but hold on to the Five until they all get to Earth, then turn them over to the rebels, believing the rebels will be compelled to wait a bit longer.<br /> *[[Deckhand]]s and [[List of Pilots|pilots]] prepare their fighters ''inside'' the baseship hangar with Cylons and humans working together.<br /> *[[Tom Zarek]] reads a statement to the Quorum: &quot;In 36 hours the Colonies will unite forces with insurgent rebel Cylons and their leaders in an unprecedented joint military operation&quot;. Zarek asks Lee Adama why the Quorum weren't consulted, but Adama doesn't know, no longer being in the military chain of command.<br /> *Tigh, [[Tory Foster]], Samuel Anders and [[Galen Tyrol]] talk about the unboxing of the Threes. Tyrol considers that they at least discover the last member of the Five, but Tigh darkly explains that such an action will only &quot;crowd the [[airlock]] a little more.&quot; Tigh doesn't at all believe that the Colonials will see the Five in a good light.<br /> *Anders does not respond to the others. He is distraught over the loss of Gaeta's leg, talking of how Gaeta sings all the time to cope with his pain.<br /> *Foster meets with Roslin in an office refurbished for her to conduct presidential business while on ''Galactica'' while recovering from another [[diloxin]] treatment and keeping close to sickbay. Roslin first pleasantly comments about Foster's positive change in mood any time she is aboard ''Galactica''. Roslin asks Foster to find out who was sharing the rumors of the president's shared visions to Baltar, then sticks the dagger in, telling Foster she is very aware that she is sleeping with Gaius Baltar.<br /> *Before Foster can say a word, Roslin tells her that there are enough reports of her visitations to &quot;make her a charter member of his [[Cult of Baltar|nymph squad]].&quot; Foster confesses to believing in Baltar's spiritual message, but Roslin is feeling quite betrayed and turns her back on her to do other work, ordering her away.<br /> *On the baseship, Natalie believes that the Colonials won't give the Five to them as promised. She suggests a backup plan of her own: Take hostages after the attack to ensure they get what they want.<br /> *In sickbay, Gaeta continues to sing a [[Gaeta's Lament|sad love ballad]] as Lee Adama visits Roslin there. He tells her that the Quorum is considering a vote of no-confidence against her. Roslin refuses to cater to the representative's desire to feel involved. Adama describes that the representatives' faces appeared empty, resigned to just consider the no-confidence vote just to cope with the uncertainty. He suggests that Roslin compromise and tell them what she can about the attack to allay the Quorum's fears.<br /> <br /> ===Act 3===<br /> <br /> * In bed but not engaged in sex, Baltar complains. Foster admits being tired of lying to Roslin, of how the rumors have affected the president and Foster's relationship with her, about the rumors of Roslin's collusion with the Cylons.<br /> * Baltar explains the source of the rumors: [[Caprica Six]], who told Baltar (through [[Romo Lampkin|his attorney]]) of the news during [[Crossroads, Part II|his trial]]. Baltar believes that Roslin is keeping everyone in the dark, believing that Roslin's concealing of information is worse than revealing it.<br /> *Roslin meets with the Quorum with Admiral Adama. Roslin brings in Natalie to help emphasize how she trusts the mission's success. Natalie speaks: She tells of her own civil war and how things had began to change. Without a Resurrection Ship, time became a commodity, a realization that mortality is crucial to making humans whole. As the Cylon continues to speak, Thrace has flashbacks of what the [[Hybrid]] told her of her [[The Destiny|destiny]] and the belief that she is the &quot;harbinger of death&quot;.<br /> *As Gaeta keeps singing in sickbay, Baltar observes quietly in the background.<br /> *Roslin experiences another vision of the [[Opera House]], searching for Hera Agathon. Caprica Six and Sharon Agathon also share the same vision. When Agathon wakes up, little Hera is there at her bedside and says a darkly prophetic &quot;Bye-bye,&quot; suggesting the child knows she will be taken in some way.<br /> <br /> ===Act 4===<br /> <br /> *A wide shot of the Fleet shows the baseship has nearly healed itself of its damage. On ''Galactica'', Kara Thrace sees Roslin in sickbay, who compliments Thrace on her plan to unite the rebels and the Fleet.<br /> *When Thrace asks if Roslin is having visions, the president is quiet. Thrace repeats what the rebel baseship's [[Hybrid]] told her some time before: &quot;This shall it come to pass: the dying leader shall know the truth of the Opera House.&quot;<br /> *Shocked at Thrace's knowledge of the dream's specific content, Roslin asks how the Hybrid would know about her dreams, but Thrace does not know. Roslin pleads with Thrace to help her determine the meaning of the dreams. Thrace accepts without hesitation and Roslin asks her to find Karl Agathon.<br /> *Aboard the baseship, the Cylons are becoming agitated, unsure about the attack. Natalie tells of the feelings she had from the Quorum, their distrust. Natalie believes that the united Five may judge the Cylons for their duplicity with the Colonials, fearing that the Five will refuse to come with them.<br /> *When Natalie suggests to completely abandon the project, to tell the Cylon Centurions to stand down, an Eight in attendance warns that the Colonials will never trust them again. Leoben warns her that the action may be at a point of no return. He tells Natalie to meet with Adama and stall for time while he deals with the Centurions.<br /> *Roslin meets privately with Baltar, confirming the visions. When he asks why he was told now, she replies that he is part of the vision itself.<br /> *In Sharon Agathon's quarters, Hera is drawing. Sharon picks up the drawings to see that Hera has drawn numerous number 6s and blond women on pages and pages. One drawing depicts a basestar. The final drawing is of Hera smiling and standing by one of the blond women. Distressed, Agathon turns to find Hera gone from her quarters and goes out to chase her.<br /> *On the baseship, Roslin, Karl Agathon, Baltar, a Leoben and an Eight head under guard into the baseship and the Hybrid, as Cylon Centurions walk by an uneasy group of pilots.<br /> *Natalie arrives on a Raptor on ''Galactica'', obviously uneasy.<br /> *Sharon Agathon chases Hera through the battlestar, but the child is elusive. When she stops to tell Tyrol, working within a corridor, he gives her a unsympathetic stare, but eventually follows her.<br /> *Hera finds herself at a stop in front of Natalie, being escorted by Tigh and a squad of Marines. But Agathon is there immediately and draws her sidearm, warning Natalie away. Tigh keeps the Marines at bay, standing them down.<br /> *At the deactivated Hybrid's pool, Roslin orders the Hybrid reactivated. When Baltar says, &quot;Let God's will be done,&quot; Roslin tells him to &quot;Shut up. It's time to get some answers.&quot;<br /> *Agathon asks Tyrol to take Hera away, which he does. However, Agathon's visions of the Opera House and a Six's kidnapping of Hera are too strong in her mind. &quot;You are never going to take my child,&quot; she says as she shoots Natalie.<br /> *At the moment that the Hybrid awakes, she cries out &quot;Jump!&quot; The baseship disappears from the Fleet with the president and her entourage all aboard.<br /> *Gaeta continues to sing in his bed.<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *The episode title is probably a reference to the 1967 film ''[[w:Guess Who's Coming to Dinner|Guess Who's Coming to Dinner]]'', which dealt with race relations between Caucasian and African Americans in America.<br /> *The [[survivor count]] at the beginning credits (39,673) accounts for the deaths of [[Emily Kowalski]] and [[Jean Barolay]] in the previous episode, &quot;[[Faith]]&quot;.<br /> *[[Felix Gaeta]]'s loss of his leg is reminiscent of a similar event in ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]''. In an episode of that show's seventh and final season, [[MemoryAlpha:Nog|Nog]] loses his leg and, in a later episode, mentally recovers from it by surrounding himself with a holodeck program of [[MemoryAlpha:Vic Fontaine|Vic Fontaine]], a [[w:Frank Sinatra|Frank Sinatra]]-type casino singer.<br /> *Although it is a common Hollywood convention, a gunshot does not cause a person to fly backwards a large distance as shown with [[Natalie]]. The effect is achieved by pulling back the actors with a cable.<br /> *The song Gaeta sings throughout the episode is called &quot;[[Gaeta's Lament]]&quot;. The lyrics were written by the episode's writer [[Michael Angeli]] and the music is by the series's composer [[Bear McCreary]]. Actor [[Alessandro Juliani]], who studied opera and performed the song live on set, also greatly influenced it. McCreary discusses the song in his [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=349 blog].<br /> *The book Roslin carries when she meets with Baltar in the Raptor is ''[[Searider Falcon]]''. The same book Adama reads to her in &quot;[[Escape Velocity]]&quot;.<br /> <br /> == Analysis ==<br /> * [[Samuel Anders]] is distraught over his actions on the ''Demetrius'', notably those concerning Gaeta and having shot him in the leg that is later amputated. However, there is no indication yet that Anders will suffer any disciplinary procedures for the shooting. Nor are any indicated for the alleged mutiny on the ''Demetrius''. A cover up by the ''Demetrius'' crew with the Cylons' acquiescence could be a possibility. A possible cover story for Anders shooting Gaeta is blaming it on the Six that killed [[Jean Barolay]]. Both the crew of the ''Demetrius'' and the Cylons have a vested interest in keeping the affair secret: The ''Demetrius'' crew to avoid various legal sanctions; the Cylons to have smooth unhindered negotiations to gain alliance with the Colonials. Felix Gaeta would have to have gone along with it. His silence of course, would be critical, although there are no specific reasons that he would do so, outside of loyalty and/or fear of possible mutiny charges. <br /> *There is no overt on screen reaction to the death of [[Cally Tyrol]] by the ''Demetrius'' crew nor any reaction to Galen Tyrol's demotion. However, they have certainly been told off screen about both. <br /> * [[Gaius Baltar]] is also drawn to see Gaeta, but the two do not interact; he is out of Gaeta's view and listening to him singing, suggesting that Baltar may have forgiven Gaeta for perjuring himself at Baltar's trial and for the earlier murder attempt. <br /> * The Hybrid's prophecy that Kara Thrace is the &quot;harbinger of death&quot; takes on a new significance during Natalie's speech to the Quorum. Thrace herself begins to realize it may have a positive connotation, referring to the potential loss of immortality among the Cylons.<br /> * During the Fleet's emergency jump sequence after the basestar suddenly appears, it can be seen that ''Galactica's'' bow gun batteries are still intact, though they have not been seen clearly in operation for some time. The scorching of the lower hull caused by the jump into [[New Caprica]]'s atmosphere is also very clear.<br /> <br /> == Questions == <br /> <br /> === Answered Questions ===<br /> <br /> * Where does the rebel baseship jump to? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])<br /> * How many pilots are stationed on the baseship ([[Sine Qua Non|Partial answer]])<br /> * How will the Quorum and [[Tom Zarek]] react to the loss of Laura Roslin? What about Admiral Adama? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])<br /> * Does Natalie survive her gun-shot wounds? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])<br /> * What will Adama do about Agathon? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])<br /> * Will Colonel Tigh face any consequences for failing to protect Natalie? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])<br /> * What will Adama and Tigh think happened to the baseship? Will they assume that the rebels intentionally abducted Roslin and the other humans aboard? ([[Sine Qua Non|Answer]])<br /> <br /> === Unanswered Questions ===<br /> <br /> * Does the [[Hybrid]] jump the baseship as an automatic reaction upon reactivation, or with intent?<br /> * Is [[Samuel Anders]] among the pilots on the baseship?<br /> * How will the rebel Cylons react when they discover [[Natalie]] has been shot?<br /> * Might the dying leader be the now-mortal Natalie? <br /> * Will Sharon Agathon's shooting of Natalie further strain her relationship with the Cylons?<br /> * What is the meaning of Hera's drawings?<br /> * Do William Adama or Saul Tigh know of the complete story surrounding the mutiny on the ''Demetrius''?<br /> * How will the now-sentient [[Centurion]]s on the rebel baseship react to the large number of humans on board?<br /> * What will the re-activated Hybrid tell Laura Roslin, if anything at all?<br /> * Why does Roslin ask Thrace to find Karl Agathon, specifically?<br /> * What will [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] do after he recovers from his amputation?<br /> <br /> == Official Statements == <br /> &lt;!-- Use bullets or standard paragraph form. Please use links to sources!!! --&gt; <br /> &lt;!-- If you wish to create the source within the Battlestar Wiki, then do so! --&gt; <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Please use one of the episode lists that is appropriate to this entry. --&gt;<br /> <br /> == Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br /> <br /> *''[[Natalie]] negotiating with the Colonials:''<br /> :'''Natalie:''' You asked for a reason to help us? Vengeance. You destroy the [[Resurrection Hub|hub]], the Cylons lose their ability to download. All of us.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' Why would you want to lose your ability to resurrect?<br /> :'''Natalie:''' We're rebels. We can't go back.<br /> <br /> *''[[Lee Adama]] talks to [[Laura Roslin]] about the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]:''<br /> :'''Lee Adama:''' I was with them. On the emergency jump. And I saw something in the faces of the delegates. Wasn't the anxiety of the waiting. It went beyond that. I was anxious; it was my first time. But they, they...they were empty. The Quorum had given up. And then it struck me, that after going through the same routine so many times, it was the only way that they could cope with the uncertainty; to presume the worst.<br /> :'''Laura Roslin:''' You felt their suffering. Now try holding their lives in balance every day.<br /> :'''Lee Adama:''' Talk to them. You don't have to tell them everything. I know how it works. Just talk to the Quorum. Let them put a face to this joint mission. Let them hear from the Cylon leader. Anything. Anything to put their fears to rest.<br /> <br /> *''Natalie speaks to the Quorum:''<br /> :&quot;In our [[Cylon Civil War|civil war]], we've seen death. We watched our people die. Gone forever. As terrible as it was, beyond the reach of the Resurrection Ships, something began to change. We could feel a sense of time. As if each moment held its own significance. We began to realize that for our existence to hold any value it must end. To live meaningful lives we must die, and not return. The one human flaw, that you spend your lifetimes distressing over - mortality - is the one thing...well, it's the one thing that makes you whole.&quot;<br /> <br /> * ''Laura Roslin to [[Tory Foster]] about getting information from [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]:''<br /> :&quot;I don't really care if you have to spend the night on your knees praying, or just on your knees. I want a name.&quot;<br /> <br /> == Guest Stars ==<br /> <br /> * [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]<br /> * [[Aaron Douglas]] as Specialist [[Galen Tyrol]]<br /> * [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]<br /> * [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]<br /> * [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]<br /> * [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br /> * [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]<br /> * [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]]<br /> * [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]<br /> * [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<br /> * [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan &quot;Hotdog&quot; Costanza]]<br /> * [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]<br /> * [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]<br /> * [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson |Margaret &quot;Racetrack&quot; Edmondson]]<br /> * [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish &quot;Skulls&quot; McCall]]<br /> * [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana &quot;Hardball&quot; Seelix]]<br /> * [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Nowart]]<br /> * [[Alexandra Thomas]] as [[Hera Agathon]]<br /> * [[Donna Soares]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Gemenon Delegate|Gemenon Delegate]]<br /> * [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]<br /> * [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Picon Delegate|Picon Delegate]]<br /> * [[Iris Paluly]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Speaking Delegate #2|Speaking Delegate #2]]<br /> * [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]<br /> * [[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)<br /> <br /> == External Links ==<br /> *Composer [[Bear McCreary]] discusses the episode's score and specifically the song Gaeta sings: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=349]<br /> <br /> &lt;!--== References ==<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:85%&quot;&gt;&lt;references/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;--&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Episode list (RDM season 4)}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]<br /> [[Category:Episodes directed by Wayne Rose]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Astral_Queen&diff=153949 2008-04-06T03:59:39Z

<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>{{Ship Data<br /> | image= Bsg-astral-1.jpg<br /> | race= Colonial<br /> | type= Civilian<br /> | ftl= Yes<br /> | cap= (approx) 1500<br /> | role= Prison ship<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''''Astral Queen''''' is a [[FTL]]-capable former starliner now given over to transporting prisoners between worlds. At the time of the [[Cylon attack]], she was originally said to be carrying 500 male prisoners ([[Miniseries]]) to their pardon hearings on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[Bastille Day]]). However, this was later retconned and increased to a count of 1,500 prisoners. It was captained by [[Wilkens]].<br /> <br /> Following sabotage aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', which destroys the majority of the Fleet's water reserves ([[Water]]), [[Lee Adama]] is sent to the ''Astral Queen'' to try and enlist the aid of the prisoners to help obtain fresh water supplies from an ice-bound moon ([[Bastille Day]]). However, once on board, he meets with the prisoners' spokesman, [[Tom Zarek]], who orchestrates a break-out and hijacking of the ship. <br /> <br /> [[Image:Bsg-1-03.jpg|thumb|left|[[Lee Adama]] and [[Tom Zarek]] on the ''Astral Queen'']]<br /> The situation is resolved jointly by a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] assault from ''Galactica'' and by Lee Adama, agreeing to the core of Zarek's demands: that free and fair elections are held within the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to appoint a new president at the end of [[Laura Roslin]]'s term - some seven months from the date of the revolt on the ''Astral Queen''. In return for his surrender and the assistance of the prisoners in obtaining the much-needed water ice for the Fleet, Lee Adama leaves Zarek and his men in control of the ''Astral Queen'', much to the chagrin of both President Roslin and Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] himself.<br /> <br /> After the colonization of [[New Caprica]], the ''Astral Queen'' landed on the outskirts of [[New Caprica City]] next to ''[[Colonial One]]''. Another ship of the same design was still with the Fleet in orbit of the planet before jumping away ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). <br /> <br /> Some time after the [[Battle of New Caprica|escape]] from the planet, it and its companion traverse the [[Passage (star cluster)|star cluster]] around the [[algae planet]] ([[The Passage]]). When the Fleet jumps to the [[Ionian nebula]], the ''Astral Queen'' loses power and is hit by a Cylon missile in the ensuing [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|battle]], causing slight damage to its forward section (&quot;[[Crossroads, Part II]]&quot;, &quot;[[He That Believeth In Me]]&quot;).<br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;both&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> == Related Images ==<br /> &lt;gallery&gt;<br /> Image:Astral Queen space.jpg|The ''Astral Queen'', fore.<br /> Image:Astral Queen over Kobol.jpg|The ''Astral Queen'' over Kobol.<br /> Image:S3-passagecloud.jpg|Traversing a [[Passage (star cluster)|star cluster]].<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;<br /> <br /> == Notes ==<br /> *The ship is equipped with at least one &quot;flare&quot;, launched upward from some point amidships and on the dorsal section ([[The Farm]]).<br /> *The design and function of the ''Astral Queen'' is an acknowledgment of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], in which an identical design of vessel was defined as the [[Prison Barge (TOS)|Prison Barge]].<br /> *In the DVD commentary for &quot;[[Bastille Day]]&quot;, Ronald Moore and David Eick say that in hindsight they feel that &quot;Astral Queen&quot; was a very poor choice of name for a prison ship, and they now wish they had used a different name.<br /> *The ''Astral Queen'' is, according to the DVD commentary, named for [[MemoryAlpha:Astral Queen|a transport]] mentioned in the original ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' episode &quot;[[MemoryAlpha:The Conscience of the King|The Conscience of the King]]&quot;. <br /> <br /> {{Ships}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:A to Z]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Craft]]<br /> [[Category:Colonial Craft (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:Ships]]<br /> [[Category:Ships (RDM)]]<br /> [[Category:RDM]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Astral Queen]]</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=William_Adama&diff=152385 2008-03-21T04:35:33Z

<p>Xlynx: I think the quote is better than the interpretation.</p> <hr /> <div>:''For information on William Adama's [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Adama (TOS)]].''<br /> :''For other people with the shortened version of William, see: [[Bill (disambiguation)]].''<br /> <br /> {{Character Data<br /> |photo=William Adama.jpg<br /> |age=<br /> |colony= [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]<br /> |birthname= William Adama<br /> |callsign= Husker<br /> |nickname= The Old Man, Bill, Billy&lt;ref&gt;The only known instance of Adama being called &quot;Billy&quot; is by [[Jaycie McGavin]] in the &quot;[[Razor Flashbacks]]&quot;. Otherwise, he is more often than not referred to as &quot;Bill&quot; or &quot;The Old Man&quot; by his friends and the crew under him, respectively.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> |seen= Miniseries<br /> |death= <br /> |parents= [[Joseph Adama]] (father)&lt;br/&gt;[[Evelyn Adama]] (mother)<br /> |siblings= <br /> |children= [[Lee Adama]] &lt;br/&gt; [[Zak Adama]] †<br /> |marital status= Divorced ([[Carolanne Adama]])<br /> |role=Commanding Officer, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''; Supreme commander of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]<br /> |rank=Rear Admiral <br /> |cylon=<br /> |actor=[[Edward James Olmos]]&lt;br/&gt;[[Nico Cortez]] (as a younger Adama in &quot;[[Razor]]&quot;)<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''William Adama''', a veteran of the [[Cylon War]], is the commanding officer of the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', and the highest ranking officer left in the Colonial Fleet.<br /> <br /> == Background ==<br /> *William Adama was born H5/21290 on Caprica, the son of [[Joseph Adama]] and [[Evelyn Adama]] and raised in [[Qualai]], a small coastal community ([[Hero]]). His father was an attorney specializing in criminal defense and civil liberties (&quot;[[Litmus]]&quot;, &quot;Hero&quot;). His mother was an accountant (Hero). He was still in school when the First [[Cylon War]] started ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1).<br /> *Adama served late in the [[Cylon War]] as a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot, his first assignment being on ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'' ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1). He allegedly gained the call sign of &quot;Husker&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Adama's callsign is misspelled as &quot;Husher&quot; in the [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel)|Miniseries novelization]].&lt;/ref&gt; on account of his baritone &quot;graveled&quot; voice. During his time on ''Galactica'', he had a romantic relationship with [[Jaycie McGavin]] ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1). He proved a gifted pilot, shooting down his first [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] on his very first combat mission, for which he received a commendation.<br /> *In the last week in the war, Adama served on ''[[Galactica]]'' when the battlestar was boarded by Cylon forces. He recalled to his friend and fellow war veteran [[Saul Tigh]] a dangerous Cylon tactic that tried to turn the battlestar's power against itself ([[Scattered]], deleted scene).<br /> [[Image:Adama freighter.jpg|thumb|left|Adama aboard an inter-colony tramp freighter ([[Scattered]]).]]<br /> *Furloughed by [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] after the war's end, Adama found work as a deck hand on a merchant fleet civilian freighter, where he met [[Saul Tigh]], who became a long-time friend.<br /> *Adama married [[Carolanne Adama]], whose family had political influence with the defense subcommittee and pulled to get Adama reinstated to the Colonial Fleet. Adama (now a major) himself arranged for Tigh's reinstatement two years later.<br /> *William and Carolanne Adama had two sons, [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Zak Adama|Zak]], before the pressures of Adama's career and the time he spent away from home in active service began to place a strain on their marriage, and the two eventually divorced.<br /> *While elder son Lee showed promise as a Viper pilot, younger Zak Adama did not. [[Kara Thrace]], Zak's flight instructor and lover, certified him for basic flight despite his poor flight skills. Later, Zak Adama was killed in an operational flight. Zak's death would cause a rift between Commander Adama and his older son for nearly [[Act of Contrition|three years]] until Thrace admits her error to both of them.<br /> [[Image:Young Adama.jpg|thumb|right|180px|William Adama during the first Cylon War ([[Razor]]).]]<br /> [[Image:Youngadamafamily.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A somewhat older William Adama and his two sons.]]<br /> *Adama rose through the ranks of the peacetime fleet, becoming the executive officer of the battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', before becoming the commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''. About six years &lt;ref name=&quot;hero&quot;&gt;While dialogue from &quot;[[Hero]]&quot; places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error.&lt;/ref&gt; prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], he was ordered by Admiral [[Corman]] to escort a [[Stealthstar|stealth scout ship]] over the [[Armistice Line]]. The mission was a failure, and in an attempt to cover up, he ordered the ship and its pilot shot down. Ever since, he had felt guilt, both over shooting down his own pilot and over the possibility that his actions resulted in the holocaust. According to Tigh, this mission brought his star into descent, and he was given command of ''Galactica'' as a graceful way of easing into retirement.<br /> *Adama has the rare combination of qualities that make up a good leader: insight, the ability to naturally command respect, a common touch that enables him to relate to the enlisted personnel under his command as well as his officers, intuition, intelligence, a strong belief in his own abilities, and the ability to take the advice of others. These qualities are reflected in the fact that personnel of all ranks aboard ''Galactica'' hold him in high regard, and know that he is approachable ([[Miniseries]]). <br /> *Adama mistrusts politicians, and sometimes places too strongly a value of loyalty to those he regards as family and friends. From his uneasiness to [[Laura Roslin]]'s unexpected assumption of the Presidency, to the tolerance and patience of his friend, Saul Tigh, and his stubbornness to save Kara Thrace ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]), Adama shows a dogged determination that few others care to confront.<br /> *Adama is an atheist who does not share in the majority of Colonial religious beliefs. He denies the existence of the gods, although he has come to accept that his people's scripture may have relevance to the search for Earth.<br /> *Several notable assignments and reassignments during his 45-year career in the Colonial Fleet ([[Hero]]):<br /> **D6/21311 - First commission: battlestar ''Galactica'' fighter squadron<br /> **E4/21312 - Commendation for shooting down Cylon fighter in first combat mission<br /> **D5/21314 - Mustered out of service post-armistice<br /> **R6/21317 - Served as deckhand in merchant fleet and as common [...] aboard inter-colony tramp freighters<br /> **D1/21331 - Recommissioned to Fleet<br /> **D6/21337 - Major: battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''<br /> **R8/21341 - Executive Officer: battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]''<br /> **C2/21345 - Commander: battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''<br /> **C2/21348 - Commander: battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> == Character History at a Glance ==<br /> *At the time of the [[Miniseries]], William Adama serves out his final weeks as commander of the battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''. After some 50 years of service, the historic warship is in the process of being decommissioned, and it is one of Adama's final duties to formally hand her over to the [[Colonial Ministry of Education]], which would operate the ship as a living museum and educational center commemorating the original Cylon War. <br /> *As a retirement gift, several members of [[Galen Tyrol]]'s deck crew find and restore Adama's old [[Viper Mark II]].<br /> *On news of a renewed Cylon attack, Adama's first thoughts are, &quot;Dead. We're all dead&quot; ([[Home, Part II]]). Despite this, as well as the presumed loss of his ex-wife in Caprica City, he manages to shepherd [[The Fleet (RDM)|the last of humanity]] to safety.<br /> [[image:Mini_Adama_Tigh_DRADIS.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Commander Adama and Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] plot a course to [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in the [[Miniseries]].]]<br /> *When [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] Fleet Headquarters is destroyed and then Admiral [[Nagala]] is killed, he unhesitatingly takes control of the Colonial's response to the Cylon incursion and starts defining a response to the onslaught. Once President Roslin convinces Adama the futility of fighting against overwhelming odds, and with what may be the last 50,000 humans that remain anywhere, he makes the switch to the more tactical thinking that keeps the Colonial Fleet at least one step ahead of their Cylon pursuers.<br /> *From the outset, he is savvy enough to give every single survivor of the devastating attack on the Colonies a reason for hope for the future: the legend of Earth. This falsehood [[Tomb of Athena|comes back to haunt him]] as the weeks continue, as Roslin is aware of this lie to the crew and states this privately to Adama.<br /> *Adama continues to face the problem of infiltration within the Fleet by [[humanoid Cylon]]s as well as [[Demand Peace|dissenting humans]] who protest or terrorize others in the Fleet. Adama continually redefines the boundaries of military and civil leadership. After some [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|serious missteps between he and President Roslin]], the two later become friends as well as influential leaders.<br /> [[Image:Attack adama.jpg|thumb|right|Adama seconds after having been shot ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).]]<br /> *[[Sharon Valerii]], a trusted [[Raptor]] pilot that served with Adama for two years, reveals herself unwittingly as a Cylon sleeper agent and shoots Adama at point blank range after a [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|critical mission near Kobol]]. Cottle [[Fragged|eventually repairs]] the damage to Adama's body, but Adama's psyche takes the larger hit while he repairs the [[Resistance|damage to the Fleet]] he and Col. Tigh have caused in arresting President Roslin, as well as the existence of a second copy of Valerii.<br /> [[image:Home_pt1-Adama.jpg|thumb|Commander Adama paints a model boat while talking to [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] ([[Home, Part I]]).]]<br /> *While at first Adama takes a similar stance to Tigh in assuming a hard military posture, a conversation with [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] helps him realize that, despite the problems, the Fleet is his family, and the family must stay together. After finding the [[Tomb of Athena]] with Roslin and reuniting a [[Laura Roslin faction|factioning of the Fleet]], Adama firmly buries the hatchet between he and Roslin publicly.<br /> *In a desperate plan, Adama trusts the second Valerii to help ward off a massive Cylon fleet ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Despite his &quot;gut&quot; feelings about the Cylon, he finds common ground often with her, even apologizing to her after a distasteful incident ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).<br /> *Adama stoically accepts Admiral [[Helena Cain]]'s overall command. Wary of her behavior and her crew, Adama follows his own truism: stick to what you know, until you find something better ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br /> *Matters with Cain's unusually totalitarian command style come to a head when Cain makes several highly questionable orders that lead him to face off with her battlestar and her command in a military challenge. While the issue is temporarily defused, Adama is told by, of all people, President Roslin that Cain is a threat to the safety of the Fleet's citizens and must be eliminated.<br /> *Adama avoids killing Cain after realizing that he would become the monster that the Cylons believed they were, unaware that she has plotted his demise as well.<br /> *With Cain's fate sealed not by Adama but [[Gina]], a frail President Roslin promotes Adama to Admiral. He gives her a simple, affectionate kiss, which she returns, signifying another change in their turbulent association ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br /> *Adama's sense of justice with Roslin holds when he confronts her about a conspiracy involving her re-election. Roslin admits the conspiracy but she is certain disaster will strike if [[Gaius Baltar]] becomes president. He agrees, but convinces Roslin that the correct course of action is to acknowledge a miscount and cover the conspiracy.<br /> *When ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and two other ships blow up as a result of [[Gina]]'s last effort of sabotage, Adama is privately infuriated at new President Baltar's refusal to investigate, and begins to wonder if he hadn't made a mistake ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> == New Caprica and beyond ==<br /> <br /> *A year later, Adama commands a heavily under-staffed ''Galactica'' as the flagship of a defense fleet, consisting of all ships unable or unwilling to make planetfall on [[New Caprica]]. He now sports a thick mustache, and has apparently taken up smoking. Adama feel lonely in command after he allowed many people close to him to settle on the planet despite his initial refusal. Eventually he grants [[Saul Tigh]] leave to take his wife [[Ellen Tigh|Tigh]] and go as well. His friendship to [[Laura Roslin]] appears to have deepened and the two share a carefree day during celebrations on the planet (&quot;[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]&quot;, &quot;[[Unfinished Business]]&quot;).<br /> *During the year in orbit, he mends fences with [[Sharon Agathon]]. Although he valued her advise earlier, he called her a &quot;thing&quot; and treated her such. While becoming estranged from the people around him, Adama grows much closer to Agathon, having personal conversations with her and he allowing her to decorate her cell with chairs, tables and other amenities and she has apparently become an advisor of sorts to him ([[Precipice]]).<br /> *Not long after Tigh leaves, a massive Cylon fleet bears down on New Caprica. After a brief discussion with his son aboard ''Pegasus'' they order the Fleet to escape to pre-arranged Jump coordinates. The admiral issues the jump order with a reminder: &quot;We're leaving... but we'll be back.&quot;<br /> [[Image:Adama being carried Exodus-Pt-II.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Adama being carried by the crew of ''Galactica'' after the [[Battle of New Caprica]] (lower left).]]<br /> * Frustrations over the lack of a plan and problems during exercises, lead to a conflict with [[Lee Adama|his son]] whom he attacks over his weight gain and perceived softness. While Lee is pragmatic and doesn't believe that they can rescue the people on New Caprica in their state, his father drives everyone to their limit, thinking it is his misjudgments that brought them into the situation.<br /> *He only forgives himself for leaving almost everyone behind after a conversation with Agathon, where she explains that, after being through so much herself, she discovered that she first had to forgive herself in order to get through it. In her opinion, the human race can't survive if Adama can't forgive himself.<br /> *He commissions Agathon as a Colonial officer shortly after making contact with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], showing complete trust in her. She asks how he knows that she won't betray him and he replies he doesn't, stating &quot;that's what trust is&quot;. Eventually a rescue plan takes shape, but Adama decides to go to New Caprica alone, ordering his son to take over as guardian of the Fleet should he not return. Despite their differences of opinion, the two have a heartfelt goodbye.<br /> *Although sustaining losses, and with the last-minute assistance of Lee and ''Pegasus'', Adama is able to successfully pull off the rescue attempt. He is lauded by his crew and the civilians for this. He also shaves off his mustache, signifying a new beginning (&quot;[[Occupation]]&quot; through &quot;[[Exodus, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> *Adama is awarded the [[Medal of Distinction]] for his 45 years of distinctive service in the Colonial Fleet. To him this is a penance for the harm that he caused in the past, and his belief that he might have been the cause of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[Hero]]).<br /> *In an effort to alleviate tensions on ''Galactica'', Adama holds a boxing tournament, disregarding rank, allowing people to work out built up frustrations. He himself joins the festivities by challenging Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. Beaten, he declares that he let everyone too close to him, which ultimately led to the fracturing of their family on New Caprica, and vows to not make that mistake again ([[Unfinished Business]]).<br /> *After the discovery of the [[Temple of Five]] on the [[algae planet]], four Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] jump into orbit. A meeting with the Cylons occurs on ''Galactica'', but Adama threatens to nuke the planet should the Cylons make a claim to it. A standoff occurs, and when the Cylons try to launch six Heavy Raiders, Adama orders the arming the ship's [[missile tubes]]. This frightens the Cylons, who recall five of the six and Adama orders a stand down (&quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot;, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;).<br /> *With the capture of [[Gaius Baltar]], Adama and President Roslin are faced with a dilemma of what to do with Baltar. They try various methods of interrogation, including food and sleep deprivation, threats, and even an [[interrogation drug]], to find out what the Cylons know about the location of Earth. Adama apparently has previous experience with the drug and, after suggesting its use, acts as the interrogator, showing his darker side ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).<br /> *On his wedding anniversary, Adama is plagued by memories of his [[Carolanne Adama|ex-wife]]. He wonders about the nature of his relationship to Roslin, not admitting that it could turn into a romantic one. He is also unsure how to treat his son, having a hard time telling him his personal feelings: &quot;proud, stubborn and angry&quot;, but &quot;coming into his own&quot;. While loving his son, he prefers to interact with him as an admiral to a subordinate officer, believing Lee knows how he feels. Upon Roslin's recommendations, he offers his son to organize Baltar's upcoming trial. Although not sure if Lee will have the time, he gives him [[Joseph Adama]]'s old [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Law books|law books]]. It is also revealed that Adama does memory exercises to enable him to know everyone on his crew by name ([[A Day in the Life]]).<br /> * By chance, Adama is selected to be a judge at the trial. Two weeks after [[Maelstrom|Kara Thrace's death]] he is still distraught, having considered her as a daughter. In anger, he breaks his model ship. After being put in charge of security for Baltar's lawyer, [[Romo Lampkin]], Lee develops a desire to actively help defend Baltar, which his father vehemently dislikes. The two also come to blows over their loss of Starbuck ([[The Son Also Rises]]). This ultimately results in a break between the Adamas, with Lee resigning his commissioning and Adama questioning his son's integrity after Lee contributed to humiliating his friend Saul Tigh in court, not able to understand how he could do such things in order to defend a traitor ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *[[Wikipedia:Adama|Adama]] (also known as Nazareth) is the name of a large city in Ethiopia. The name is also a variation on &quot;[[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam]],&quot; the first man to be created according to the Bible in the [[Wikipedia:Genesis|Book of Genesis]]. In Hebrew the word pronounced &quot;Adama&quot; means earth.<br /> *The Greek word ''adamas'' (αδάμας) means invincible and is the etymological root of the word ''diamond''. It seems a suitable choice as the surname of the various related characters in this series as it relates to their personality traits.<br /> *Edward James Olmos has brown eyes, but he wears contacts when playing William Adama that make Adama's eyes blue. This is done so that Olmos and [[Jamie Bamber]], who is playing his son Apollo, will resemble each other more. <br /> *Astute viewers may recall Edward James Olmos sharing the screen with realistic humanoid robots as [[w:List of minor characters in Blade Runner#Gaff|Gaff]] in the classic science fiction film &quot;[[w:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]]&quot;. Olmos also shares with ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' star [[MemoryAlpha:William Shatner|William Shatner]] the distinction of being one of only two actors to both command a television starship and portray a police officer in a popular 1980's cop show (&quot;[[w:Miami Vice|Miami Vice]]&quot; for Olmos, &quot;[[w:T.J. Hooker|T.J. 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<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>:''For information on William Adama's [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Adama (TOS)]].''<br /> :''For other people with the shortened version of William, see: [[Bill (disambiguation)]].''<br /> <br /> {{Character Data<br /> |photo=William Adama.jpg<br /> |age=<br /> |colony= [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]<br /> |birthname= William Adama<br /> |callsign= Husker<br /> |nickname= The Old Man, Bill, Billy&lt;ref&gt;The only known instance of Adama being called &quot;Billy&quot; is by [[Jaycie McGavin]] in the &quot;[[Razor Flashbacks]]&quot;. Otherwise, he is more often than not referred to as &quot;Bill&quot; or &quot;The Old Man&quot; by his friends and the crew under him, respectively.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> |seen= Miniseries<br /> |death= <br /> |parents= [[Joseph Adama]] (father)&lt;br/&gt;[[Evelyn Adama]] (mother)<br /> |siblings= <br /> |children= [[Lee Adama]] &lt;br/&gt; [[Zak Adama]] †<br /> |marital status= Divorced ([[Carolanne Adama]])<br /> |role=Commanding Officer, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''; Supreme commander of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]<br /> |rank=Rear Admiral <br /> |cylon=<br /> |actor=[[Edward James Olmos]]&lt;br/&gt;[[Nico Cortez]] (as a younger Adama in &quot;[[Razor]]&quot;)<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''William Adama''', a veteran of the [[Cylon War]], is the commanding officer of the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', and the highest ranking officer left in the Colonial Fleet.<br /> <br /> == Background ==<br /> *William Adama was born H5/21290 on Caprica, the son of [[Joseph Adama]] and [[Evelyn Adama]] and raised in [[Qualai]], a small coastal community ([[Hero]]). His father was an attorney specializing in criminal defense and civil liberties (&quot;[[Litmus]]&quot;, &quot;Hero&quot;). His mother was an accountant (Hero). He was still in school when the First [[Cylon War]] started ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1).<br /> *Adama served late in the [[Cylon War]] as a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot, his first assignment being on ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'' ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1). He allegedly gained the call sign of &quot;Husker&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Adama's callsign is misspelled as &quot;Husher&quot; in the [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel)|Miniseries novelization]].&lt;/ref&gt; on account of his baritone &quot;graveled&quot; voice. During his time on ''Galactica'', he had a romantic relationship with [[Jaycie McGavin]] ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1). He proved a gifted pilot, shooting down his first [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] on his very first combat mission, for which he received a commendation.<br /> *In the last week in the war, Adama served on ''[[Galactica]]'' when the battlestar was boarded by Cylon forces. He recalled to his friend and fellow war veteran [[Saul Tigh]] a dangerous Cylon tactic that tried to turn the battlestar's power against itself ([[Scattered]], deleted scene).<br /> [[Image:Adama freighter.jpg|thumb|left|Adama aboard an inter-colony tramp freighter ([[Scattered]]).]]<br /> *Furloughed by [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] after the war's end, Adama found work as a deck hand on a merchant fleet civilian freighter, where he met [[Saul Tigh]], who became a long-time friend.<br /> *Adama married [[Carolanne Adama]], whose family had political influence with the defense subcommittee and pulled to get Adama reinstated to the Colonial Fleet. Adama (now a major) himself arranged for Tigh's reinstatement two years later.<br /> *William and Carolanne Adama had two sons, [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Zak Adama|Zak]], before the pressures of Adama's career and the time he spent away from home in active service began to place a strain on their marriage, and the two eventually divorced.<br /> *While elder son Lee showed promise as a Viper pilot, younger Zak Adama did not. [[Kara Thrace]], Zak's flight instructor and lover, certified him for basic flight despite his poor flight skills. Later, Zak Adama was killed in an operational flight. Zak's death would cause a rift between Commander Adama and his older son for nearly [[Act of Contrition|three years]] until Thrace admits her error to both of them.<br /> [[Image:Young Adama.jpg|thumb|right|180px|William Adama during the first Cylon War ([[Razor]]).]]<br /> [[Image:Youngadamafamily.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A somewhat older William Adama and his two sons.]]<br /> *Adama rose through the ranks of the peacetime fleet, becoming the executive officer of the battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', before becoming the commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''. About six years &lt;ref name=&quot;hero&quot;&gt;While dialogue from &quot;[[Hero]]&quot; places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error.&lt;/ref&gt; prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], he was ordered by Admiral [[Corman]] to escort a [[Stealthstar|stealth scout ship]] over the [[Armistice Line]]. The mission was a failure, and in an attempt to cover up, he ordered the ship and its pilot shot down. Ever since, he had felt guilt, both over shooting down his own pilot and over the possibility that his actions resulted in the holocaust. According to Tigh, this mission brought his star into descent, and he was given command of ''Galactica'' as a graceful way of easing into retirement.<br /> *Adama has the rare combination of qualities that make up a good leader: insight, the ability to naturally command respect, a common touch that enables him to relate to the enlisted personnel under his command as well as his officers, intuition, intelligence, a strong belief in his own abilities, and the ability to take the advice of others. These qualities are reflected in the fact that personnel of all ranks aboard ''Galactica'' hold him in high regard, and know that he is approachable ([[Miniseries]]). <br /> *Adama mistrusts politicians, and sometimes places too strongly a value of loyalty to those he regards as family and friends. From his uneasiness to [[Laura Roslin]]'s unexpected assumption of the Presidency, to the tolerance and patience of his friend, Saul Tigh, and his stubbornness to save Kara Thrace ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]), Adama shows a dogged determination that few others care to confront.<br /> *Adama is an atheist who does not share in the majority of Colonial religious beliefs. He denies the existence of the gods, although he has come to accept that his people's scripture may have relevance to the search for Earth.<br /> *Several notable assignments and reassignments during his 45-year career in the Colonial Fleet ([[Hero]]):<br /> **D6/21311 - First commission: battlestar ''Galactica'' fighter squadron<br /> **E4/21312 - Commendation for shooting down Cylon fighter in first combat mission<br /> **D5/21314 - Mustered out of service post-armistice<br /> **R6/21317 - Served as deckhand in merchant fleet and as common [...] aboard inter-colony tramp freighters<br /> **D1/21331 - Recommissioned to Fleet<br /> **D6/21337 - Major: battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''<br /> **R8/21341 - Executive Officer: battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]''<br /> **C2/21345 - Commander: battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''<br /> **C2/21348 - Commander: battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> == Character History at a Glance ==<br /> *At the time of the [[Miniseries]], William Adama serves out his final weeks as commander of the battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''. After some 50 years of service, the historic warship is in the process of being decommissioned, and it is one of Adama's final duties to formally hand her over to the [[Colonial Ministry of Education]], which would operate the ship as a living museum and educational center commemorating the original Cylon War. <br /> *As a retirement gift, several members of [[Galen Tyrol]]'s deck crew find and restore Adama's old [[Viper Mark II]].<br /> *On news of a renewed Cylon attack, Adama's first thoughts are, &quot;Dead. We're all dead&quot; ([[Home, Part II]]). Despite this, as well as the presumed loss of his ex-wife in Caprica City, he manages to shepherd [[The Fleet (RDM)|the last of humanity]] to safety.<br /> [[image:Mini_Adama_Tigh_DRADIS.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Commander Adama and Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] plot a course to [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in the [[Miniseries]].]]<br /> *When [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] Fleet Headquarters is destroyed and then Admiral [[Nagala]] is killed, he unhesitatingly takes control of the Colonial's response to the Cylon incursion and starts defining a response to the onslaught. Once President Roslin convinces Adama the futility of fighting against overwhelming odds, and with what may be the last 50,000 humans that remain anywhere, he makes the switch to the more tactical thinking that keeps the Colonial Fleet at least one step ahead of their Cylon pursuers.<br /> *From the outset, he is savvy enough to give every single survivor of the devastating attack on the Colonies a reason for hope for the future: the legend of Earth. This falsehood [[Tomb of Athena|comes back to haunt him]] as the weeks continue, as Roslin is aware of this lie to the crew and states this privately to Adama.<br /> *Adama continues to face the problem of infiltration within the Fleet by [[humanoid Cylon]]s as well as [[Demand Peace|dissenting humans]] who protest or terrorize others in the Fleet. Adama continually redefines the boundaries of military and civil leadership. After some [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|serious missteps between he and President Roslin]], the two later become friends as well as influential leaders.<br /> [[Image:Attack adama.jpg|thumb|right|Adama seconds after having been shot ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).]]<br /> *[[Sharon Valerii]], a trusted [[Raptor]] pilot that served with Adama for two years, reveals herself unwittingly as a Cylon sleeper agent and shoots Adama at point blank range after a [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|critical mission near Kobol]]. Cottle [[Fragged|eventually repairs]] the damage to Adama's body, but Adama's psyche takes the larger hit while he repairs the [[Resistance|damage to the Fleet]] he and Col. Tigh have caused in arresting President Roslin, as well as the existence of a second copy of Valerii.<br /> [[image:Home_pt1-Adama.jpg|thumb|Commander Adama paints a model boat while talking to [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] ([[Home, Part I]]).]]<br /> *While at first Adama takes a similar stance to Tigh in assuming a hard military posture, a conversation with [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] helps him realize that, despite the problems, the Fleet is his family, and the family must stay together. After finding the [[Tomb of Athena]] with Roslin and reuniting a [[Laura Roslin faction|factioning of the Fleet]], Adama firmly buries the hatchet between he and Roslin publicly.<br /> *In a desperate plan, Adama trusts the second Valerii to help ward off a massive Cylon fleet ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Despite his &quot;gut&quot; feelings about the Cylon, he finds common ground often with her, even apologizing to her after a distasteful incident ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).<br /> *Adama stoically accepts Admiral [[Helena Cain]]'s overall command. Wary of her behavior and her crew, Adama follows his own truism: stick to what you know, until you find something better ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br /> *Matters with Cain's unusually totalitarian command style come to a head when Cain makes several highly questionable orders that lead him to face off with her battlestar and her command in a military challenge. While the issue is temporarily defused, Adama is told by, of all people, President Roslin that Cain is a threat to the safety of the Fleet's citizens and must be eliminated.<br /> *Adama avoids killing Cain after realizing that he would become the monster that the Cylons believed they were, unaware that she has plotted his demise as well.<br /> *With Cain's fate sealed not by Adama but [[Gina]], a frail President Roslin promotes Adama to Admiral. He gives her a simple, affectionate kiss, which she returns, signifying another change in their turbulent association ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br /> *Adama's sense of justice with Roslin holds when he confronts her about a conspiracy involving her re-election. Roslin admits the conspiracy but she is certain disaster will strike if [[Gaius Baltar]] becomes president. He agrees, but convinces Roslin that the correct course of action is to acknowledge a miscount and cover the conspiracy.<br /> *When ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and two other ships blow up as a result of [[Gina]]'s last effort of sabotage, Adama is privately infuriated at new President Baltar's refusal to investigate, and begins to wonder if he hadn't made a mistake ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> == New Caprica and beyond ==<br /> <br /> *A year later, Adama commands a heavily under-staffed ''Galactica'' as the flagship of a defense fleet, consisting of all ships unable or unwilling to make planetfall on [[New Caprica]]. He now sports a thick mustache, and has apparently taken up smoking. Adama feel lonely in command after he allowed many people close to him to settle on the planet despite his initial refusal. Eventually he grants [[Saul Tigh]] leave to take his wife [[Ellen Tigh|Tigh]] and go as well. His friendship to [[Laura Roslin]] appears to have deepened and the two share a carefree day during celebrations on the planet (&quot;[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]&quot;, &quot;[[Unfinished Business]]&quot;).<br /> *During the year in orbit, he mends fences with [[Sharon Agathon]]. Although he valued her advise earlier, he called her a &quot;thing&quot; and treated her such. While becoming estranged from the people around him, Adama grows much closer to Agathon, having personal conversations with her and he allowing her to decorate her cell with chairs, tables and other amenities and she has apparently become an advisor of sorts to him ([[Precipice]]).<br /> *Not long after Tigh leaves, a massive Cylon fleet bears down on New Caprica. After a brief discussion with his son aboard ''Pegasus'' they order the Fleet to escape to pre-arranged Jump coordinates. The admiral issues the jump order with a reminder: &quot;We're leaving... but we'll be back.&quot;<br /> [[Image:Adama being carried Exodus-Pt-II.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Adama being carried by the crew of ''Galactica'' after the [[Battle of New Caprica]] (lower left).]]<br /> * Frustrations over the lack of a plan and problems during exercises, lead to a conflict with [[Lee Adama|his son]] whom he attacks over his weight gain and perceived softness. While Lee is pragmatic and doesn't believe that they can rescue the people on New Caprica in their state, his father drives everyone to their limit, thinking it is his misjudgments that brought them into the situation.<br /> *He only forgives himself for leaving almost everyone behind after a conversation with Agathon, where she explains that, after being through so much herself, she discovered that she first had to forgive herself in order to get through it. In her opinion, the human race can't survive if Adama can't forgive himself.<br /> *He commissions Agathon as a Colonial officer shortly after making contact with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], showing complete trust in her. She asks how he knows that she won't betray him and he replies he doesn't; he just trusts her not to. Eventually a rescue plan takes shape, but Adama decides to go to New Caprica alone, ordering his son to take over as guardian of the Fleet should he not return. Despite their differences of opinion, the two have a heartfelt goodbye.<br /> *Although sustaining losses, and with the last-minute assistance of Lee and ''Pegasus'', Adama is able to successfully pull off the rescue attempt. He is lauded by his crew and the civilians for this. He also shaves off his mustache, signifying a new beginning (&quot;[[Occupation]]&quot; through &quot;[[Exodus, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> *Adama is awarded the [[Medal of Distinction]] for his 45 years of distinctive service in the Colonial Fleet. To him this is a penance for the harm that he caused in the past, and his belief that he might have been the cause of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[Hero]]).<br /> *In an effort to alleviate tensions on ''Galactica'', Adama holds a boxing tournament, disregarding rank, allowing people to work out built up frustrations. He himself joins the festivities by challenging Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. Beaten, he declares that he let everyone too close to him, which ultimately led to the fracturing of their family on New Caprica, and vows to not make that mistake again ([[Unfinished Business]]).<br /> *After the discovery of the [[Temple of Five]] on the [[algae planet]], four Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] jump into orbit. A meeting with the Cylons occurs on ''Galactica'', but Adama threatens to nuke the planet should the Cylons make a claim to it. A standoff occurs, and when the Cylons try to launch six Heavy Raiders, Adama orders the arming the ship's [[missile tubes]]. This frightens the Cylons, who recall five of the six and Adama orders a stand down (&quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot;, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;).<br /> *With the capture of [[Gaius Baltar]], Adama and President Roslin are faced with a dilemma of what to do with Baltar. They try various methods of interrogation, including food and sleep deprivation, threats, and even an [[interrogation drug]], to find out what the Cylons know about the location of Earth. Adama apparently has previous experience with the drug and, after suggesting its use, acts as the interrogator, showing his darker side ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).<br /> *On his wedding anniversary, Adama is plagued by memories of his [[Carolanne Adama|ex-wife]]. He wonders about the nature of his relationship to Roslin, not admitting that it could turn into a romantic one. He is also unsure how to treat his son, having a hard time telling him his personal feelings: &quot;proud, stubborn and angry&quot;, but &quot;coming into his own&quot;. While loving his son, he prefers to interact with him as an admiral to a subordinate officer, believing Lee knows how he feels. Upon Roslin's recommendations, he offers his son to organize Baltar's upcoming trial. Although not sure if Lee will have the time, he gives him [[Joseph Adama]]'s old [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Law books|law books]]. It is also revealed that Adama does memory exercises to enable him to know everyone on his crew by name ([[A Day in the Life]]).<br /> * By chance, Adama is selected to be a judge at the trial. Two weeks after [[Maelstrom|Kara Thrace's death]] he is still distraught, having considered her as a daughter. In anger, he breaks his model ship. After being put in charge of security for Baltar's lawyer, [[Romo Lampkin]], Lee develops a desire to actively help defend Baltar, which his father vehemently dislikes. The two also come to blows over their loss of Starbuck ([[The Son Also Rises]]). This ultimately results in a break between the Adamas, with Lee resigning his commissioning and Adama questioning his son's integrity after Lee contributed to humiliating his friend Saul Tigh in court, not able to understand how he could do such things in order to defend a traitor ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *[[Wikipedia:Adama|Adama]] (also known as Nazareth) is the name of a large city in Ethiopia. The name is also a variation on &quot;[[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam]],&quot; the first man to be created according to the Bible in the [[Wikipedia:Genesis|Book of Genesis]]. In Hebrew the word pronounced &quot;Adama&quot; means earth.<br /> *The Greek word ''adamas'' (αδάμας) means invincible and is the etymological root of the word ''diamond''. It seems a suitable choice as the surname of the various related characters in this series as it relates to their personality traits.<br /> *Edward James Olmos has brown eyes, but he wears contacts when playing William Adama that make Adama's eyes blue. This is done so that Olmos and [[Jamie Bamber]], who is playing his son Apollo, will resemble each other more. <br /> *Astute viewers may recall Edward James Olmos sharing the screen with realistic humanoid robots as [[w:List of minor characters in Blade Runner#Gaff|Gaff]] in the classic science fiction film &quot;[[w:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]]&quot;. Olmos also shares with ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' star [[MemoryAlpha:William Shatner|William Shatner]] the distinction of being one of only two actors to both command a television starship and portray a police officer in a popular 1980's cop show (&quot;[[w:Miami Vice|Miami Vice]]&quot; for Olmos, &quot;[[w:T.J. Hooker|T.J. 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<p>Xlynx: grammar</p> <hr /> <div>:''For information on William Adama's [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Adama (TOS)]].''<br /> :''For other people with the shortened version of William, see: [[Bill (disambiguation)]].''<br /> <br /> {{Character Data<br /> |photo=William Adama.jpg<br /> |age=<br /> |colony= [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]<br /> |birthname= William Adama<br /> |callsign= Husker<br /> |nickname= The Old Man, Bill, Billy&lt;ref&gt;The only known instance of Adama being called &quot;Billy&quot; is by [[Jaycie McGavin]] in the &quot;[[Razor Flashbacks]]&quot;. Otherwise, he is more often than not referred to as &quot;Bill&quot; or &quot;The Old Man&quot; by his friends and the crew under him, respectively.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> |seen= Miniseries<br /> |death= <br /> |parents= [[Joseph Adama]] (father)&lt;br/&gt;[[Evelyn Adama]] (mother)<br /> |siblings= <br /> |children= [[Lee Adama]] &lt;br/&gt; [[Zak Adama]] †<br /> |marital status= Divorced ([[Carolanne Adama]])<br /> |role=Commanding Officer, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''; Supreme commander of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]<br /> |rank=Rear Admiral <br /> |cylon=<br /> |actor=[[Edward James Olmos]]&lt;br/&gt;[[Nico Cortez]] (as a younger Adama in &quot;[[Razor]]&quot;)<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''William Adama''', a veteran of the [[Cylon War]], is the commanding officer of the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', and the highest ranking officer left in the Colonial Fleet.<br /> <br /> == Background ==<br /> *William Adama was born H5/21290 on Caprica, the son of [[Joseph Adama]] and [[Evelyn Adama]] and raised in [[Qualai]], a small coastal community ([[Hero]]). His father was an attorney specializing in criminal defense and civil liberties (&quot;[[Litmus]]&quot;, &quot;Hero&quot;). His mother was an accountant (Hero). He was still in school when the First [[Cylon War]] started ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1).<br /> *Adama served late in the [[Cylon War]] as a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot, his first assignment being on ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'' ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1). He allegedly gained the call sign of &quot;Husker&quot;&lt;ref&gt;Adama's callsign is misspelled as &quot;Husher&quot; in the [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel)|Miniseries novelization]].&lt;/ref&gt; on account of his baritone &quot;graveled&quot; voice. During his time on ''Galactica'', he had a romantic relationship with [[Jaycie McGavin]] ([[Razor Flashbacks]], Episode 1). He proved a gifted pilot, shooting down his first [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] on his very first combat mission, for which he received a commendation.<br /> *In the last week in the war, Adama served on ''[[Galactica]]'' when the battlestar was boarded by Cylon forces. He recalled to his friend and fellow war veteran [[Saul Tigh]] a dangerous Cylon tactic that tried to turn the battlestar's power against itself ([[Scattered]], deleted scene).<br /> [[Image:Adama freighter.jpg|thumb|left|Adama aboard an inter-colony tramp freighter ([[Scattered]]).]]<br /> *Furloughed by [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] after the war's end, Adama found work as a deck hand on a merchant fleet civilian freighter, where he met [[Saul Tigh]], who became a long-time friend.<br /> *Adama married [[Carolanne Adama]], whose family had political influence with the defense subcommittee and pulled to get Adama reinstated to the Colonial Fleet. Adama (now a major) himself arranged for Tigh's reinstatement two years later.<br /> *William and Carolanne Adama had two sons, [[Lee Adama|Lee]] and [[Zak Adama|Zak]], before the pressures of Adama's career and the time he spent away from home in active service began to place a strain on their marriage, and the two eventually divorced.<br /> *While elder son Lee showed promise as a Viper pilot, younger Zak Adama did not. [[Kara Thrace]], Zak's flight instructor and lover, certified him for basic flight despite his poor flight skills. Later, Zak Adama was killed in an operational flight. Zak's death would cause a rift between Commander Adama and his older son for nearly [[Act of Contrition|three years]] until Thrace admits her error to both of them.<br /> [[Image:Young Adama.jpg|thumb|right|180px|William Adama during the first Cylon War ([[Razor]]).]]<br /> [[Image:Youngadamafamily.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A somewhat older William Adama and his two sons.]]<br /> *Adama rose through the ranks of the peacetime fleet, becoming the executive officer of the battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', before becoming the commander of the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''. About six years &lt;ref name=&quot;hero&quot;&gt;While dialogue from &quot;[[Hero]]&quot; places these events at 1 BCH, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama and others served on ''Galactica''. See [[Hero#Analysis]] for a detailed explanation why ''Battlestar Wiki'' chooses to treat this as a continuity error.&lt;/ref&gt; prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], he was ordered by Admiral [[Corman]] to escort a [[Stealthstar|stealth scout ship]] over the [[Armistice Line]]. The mission was a failure, and in an attempt to cover up, he ordered the ship and its pilot shot down. Ever since, he had felt guilt, both over shooting down his own pilot and over the possibility that his actions resulted in the holocaust. According to Tigh, this mission brought his star into descent, and he was given command of ''Galactica'' as a graceful way of easing into retirement.<br /> *Adama has the rare combination of qualities that make up a good leader: insight, the ability to naturally command respect, a common touch that enables him to relate to the enlisted personnel under his command as well as his officers, intuition, intelligence, a strong belief in his own abilities, and the ability to take the advice of others. These qualities are reflected in the fact that personnel of all ranks aboard ''Galactica'' hold him in high regard, and know that he is approachable ([[Miniseries]]). <br /> *Adama mistrusts politicians, and sometimes places too strongly a value of loyalty to those he regards as family and friends. From his uneasiness to [[Laura Roslin]]'s unexpected assumption of the Presidency, to the tolerance and patience of his friend, Saul Tigh, and his stubbornness to save Kara Thrace ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]), Adama shows a dogged determination that few others care to confront.<br /> *Adama is an atheist who does not share in the majority of Colonial religious beliefs. He denies the existence of the gods, although he has come to accept that his people's scripture may have relevance to the search for Earth.<br /> *Several notable assignments and reassignments during his 45-year career in the Colonial Fleet ([[Hero]]):<br /> **D6/21311 - First commission: battlestar ''Galactica'' fighter squadron<br /> **E4/21312 - Commendation for shooting down Cylon fighter in first combat mission<br /> **D5/21314 - Mustered out of service post-armistice<br /> **R6/21317 - Served as deckhand in merchant fleet and as common [...] aboard inter-colony tramp freighters<br /> **D1/21331 - Recommissioned to Fleet<br /> **D6/21337 - Major: battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]''<br /> **R8/21341 - Executive Officer: battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]''<br /> **C2/21345 - Commander: battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''<br /> **C2/21348 - Commander: battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;clear:both;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> == Character History at a Glance ==<br /> *At the time of the [[Miniseries]], William Adama serves out his final weeks as commander of the battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''. After some 50 years of service, the historic warship is in the process of being decommissioned, and it is one of Adama's final duties to formally hand her over to the [[Colonial Ministry of Education]], which would operate the ship as a living museum and educational center commemorating the original Cylon War. <br /> *As a retirement gift, several members of [[Galen Tyrol]]'s deck crew find and restore Adama's old [[Viper Mark II]].<br /> *On news of a renewed Cylon attack, Adama's first thoughts are, &quot;Dead. We're all dead&quot; ([[Home, Part II]]). Despite this, as well as the presumed loss of his ex-wife in Caprica City, he manages to shepherd [[The Fleet (RDM)|the last of humanity]] to safety.<br /> [[image:Mini_Adama_Tigh_DRADIS.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Commander Adama and Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] plot a course to [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in the [[Miniseries]].]]<br /> *When [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] Fleet Headquarters is destroyed and then Admiral [[Nagala]] is killed, he unhesitatingly takes control of the Colonial's response to the Cylon incursion and starts defining a response to the onslaught. Once President Roslin convinces Adama the futility of fighting against overwhelming odds, and with what may be the last 50,000 humans that remain anywhere, he makes the switch to the more tactical thinking that keeps the Colonial Fleet at least one step ahead of their Cylon pursuers.<br /> *From the outset, he is savvy enough to give every single survivor of the devastating attack on the Colonies a reason for hope for the future: the legend of Earth. This falsehood [[Tomb of Athena|comes back to haunt him]] as the weeks continue, as Roslin is aware of this lie to the crew and states this privately to Adama.<br /> *Adama continues to face the problem of infiltration within the Fleet by [[humanoid Cylon]]s as well as [[Demand Peace|dissenting humans]] who protest or terrorize others in the Fleet. Adama continually redefines the boundaries of military and civil leadership. After some [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|serious missteps between he and President Roslin]], the two later become friends as well as influential leaders.<br /> [[Image:Attack adama.jpg|thumb|right|Adama seconds after having been shot ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).]]<br /> *[[Sharon Valerii]], a trusted [[Raptor]] pilot that served with Adama for two years, reveals herself unwittingly as a Cylon sleeper agent and shoots Adama at point blank range after a [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|critical mission near Kobol]]. Cottle [[Fragged|eventually repairs]] the damage to Adama's body, but Adama's psyche takes the larger hit while he repairs the [[Resistance|damage to the Fleet]] he and Col. Tigh have caused in arresting President Roslin, as well as the existence of a second copy of Valerii.<br /> [[image:Home_pt1-Adama.jpg|thumb|Commander Adama paints a model boat while talking to [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] ([[Home, Part I]]).]]<br /> *While at first Adama takes a similar stance to Tigh in assuming a hard military posture, a conversation with [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] helps him realize that, despite the problems, the Fleet is his family, and the family must stay together. After finding the [[Tomb of Athena]] with Roslin and reuniting a [[Laura Roslin faction|factioning of the Fleet]], Adama firmly buries the hatchet between he and Roslin publicly.<br /> *In a desperate plan, Adama trusts the second Valerii to help ward off a massive Cylon fleet ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Despite his &quot;gut&quot; feelings about the Cylon, he finds common ground often with her, even apologizing to her after a distasteful incident ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).<br /> *Adama stoically accepts Admiral [[Helena Cain]]'s overall command. Wary of her behavior and her crew, Adama follows his own truism: stick to what you know, until you find something better ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).<br /> *Matters with Cain's unusually totalitarian command style come to a head when Cain makes several highly questionable orders that lead him to face off with her battlestar and her command in a military challenge. While the issue is temporarily defused, Adama is told by, of all people, President Roslin that Cain is a threat to the safety of the Fleet's citizens and must be eliminated.<br /> *Adama avoids killing Cain after realizing that he would become the monster that the Cylons believed they were, unaware that she has plotted his demise as well.<br /> *With Cain's fate sealed not by Adama but [[Gina]], a frail President Roslin promotes Adama to Admiral. He gives her a simple, affectionate kiss, which she returns, signifying another change in their turbulent association ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).<br /> *Adama's sense of justice with Roslin holds when he confronts her about a conspiracy involving her re-election. Roslin admits the conspiracy but she is certain disaster will strike if [[Gaius Baltar]] becomes president. He agrees, but convinces Roslin that the correct course of action is to acknowledge a miscount and cover the conspiracy.<br /> *When ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and two other ships blow up as a result of [[Gina]]'s last effort of sabotage, Adama is privately infuriated at new President Baltar's refusal to investigate, and begins to wonder if he hadn't made a mistake ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).<br /> <br /> == New Caprica and beyond ==<br /> <br /> *A year later, Adama commands a heavily under-staffed ''Galactica'' as the flagship of a defense fleet, consisting of all ships unable or unwilling to make planetfall on [[New Caprica]]. He now sports a thick mustache, and has apparently taken up smoking. Adama feel lonely in command after he allowed many people close to him to settle on the planet despite his initial refusal. Eventually he grants [[Saul Tigh]] leave to take his wife [[Ellen Tigh|Tigh]] and go as well. His friendship to [[Laura Roslin]] appears to have deepened and the two share a carefree day during celebrations on the planet (&quot;[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]&quot;, &quot;[[Unfinished Business]]&quot;).<br /> *During the year in orbit, he mends fences with [[Sharon Agathon]]. Although he valued her advise earlier, he called her a &quot;thing&quot; and treated her such. While becoming estranged from the people around him, Adama grows much closer to Agathon, having personal conversations with her and he allowing her to decorate her cell with chairs, tables and other amenities and she has apparently become an advisor of sorts to him ([[Precipice]]).<br /> *Not long after Tigh leaves, a massive Cylon fleet bears down on New Caprica. After a brief discussion with his son aboard ''Pegasus'' they order the Fleet to escape to pre-arranged Jump coordinates. The admiral issues the jump order with a reminder: &quot;We're leaving... but we'll be back.&quot;<br /> [[Image:Adama being carried Exodus-Pt-II.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Adama being carried by the crew of ''Galactica'' after the [[Battle of New Caprica]] (lower left).]]<br /> * Frustrations over the lack of a plan and problems during exercises, lead to a conflict with [[Lee Adama|his son]] whom he attacks over his weight gain and perceived softness. While Lee is pragmatic and doesn't believe that they can rescue the people on New Caprica in their state, his father drives everyone to their limit, thinking it is his misjudgments that brought them into the situation.<br /> *He only forgives himself for leaving almost everyone behind after a conversation with Agathon, where she explains that, after being through so much herself, she discovered that she first had to forgive herself in order to get through it. In her opinion, the human race can't survive if Adama can't forgive himself.<br /> *He commissions Agathon as a Colonial officer shortly after making contact with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], showing complete trust in her. She asks how he knows that she won't betray him and he replies he doesn't; he just trusts her not to. Eventually a rescue plan takes shape, but Adama decides to go to New Caprica alone, ordering his son to take over as guardian of the Fleet should he not return. Despite their differences of opinion, the two have a heartfelt goodbye.<br /> *Although sustaining losses, and with the last-minute assistance of Lee and ''Pegasus'', Adama is able to successfully pull off the rescue attempt. He is lauded by his crew and the civilians for this. He also shaves off his mustache, signifying a new beginning (&quot;[[Occupation]]&quot; through &quot;[[Exodus, Part II]]&quot;).<br /> *Adama is awarded the [[Medal of Distinction]] for his 45 years of distinctive service in the Colonial Fleet. To him this is a penance for the harm that he caused in the past, and his belief that he might have been the cause of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[Hero]]).<br /> *In an effort to alleviate tensions on ''Galactica'', Adama holds a boxing tournament, disregarding rank, allowing people to work out built up frustrations. He himself joins the festivities by challenging Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. Beaten, he declares that he let everyone too close to him, which ultimately led to the fracturing of their family on New Caprica, and vows to not make that mistake again ([[Unfinished Business]]).<br /> *After the discovery of the [[Temple of Five]] on the [[algae planet]], four Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] jump into orbit. A meeting with the Cylons occurs on ''Galactica'', but Adama threatens to nuke the planet should the Cylons make a claim to it. A standoff occurs, and when the Cylons try to launch six Heavy Raiders, Adama orders the arming the ship's [[missile tubes]]. This frightens the Cylons, who recall five of the six and Adama orders a stand down (&quot;[[The Eye of Jupiter]]&quot;, &quot;[[Rapture]]&quot;).<br /> *With the capture of [[Gaius Baltar]], Adama and President Roslin are faced with a dilemma of what to do with Baltar. They try various methods of interrogation, including food and sleep deprivation, threats, and even an [[interrogation drug]], to find out what the Cylons know about the location of Earth. Adama apparently has previous experience with the drug and, after suggesting its use, acts as the interrogator, showing his darker side ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).<br /> *On his wedding anniversary, Adama is plagued by memories of his [[Carolanne Adama|ex-wife]]. He wonders about the nature of his relationship to Roslin, not admitting that it could turn into a romantic one. He is also unsure how to treat his son, having a hard time telling him his personal feelings: &quot;proud, stubborn and angry&quot;, but &quot;coming into his own&quot;. While loving his son, he prefers to interact with him as an admiral to a subordinate officer, believing Lee knows how he feels. Upon Roslin's recommendations, he offers his son to organize Baltar's upcoming trial. Although not sure if Lee will have the time, he gives him [[Joseph Adama]]'s old [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Law books|law books]]. It is also revealed that Adama does memory exercises to enable him to know everyone on his crew by name ([[A Day in the Life]]).<br /> * By chance, Adama is selected to be a judge at the trial. Two weeks after [[Maelstrom|Kara Thrace's death]] he is still distraught it, having considered her as a daughter. In anger, he breaks his model ship. After being put in charge of security for Baltar's lawyer, [[Romo Lampkin]], Lee develops a desire to actively help defend Baltar, which his father vehemently dislikes. The two also come to blows over their loss of Starbuck ([[The Son Also Rises]]). This ultimately results in a break between the Adamas, with Lee resigning his commissioning and Adama questioning his son's integrity after Lee contributed to humiliating his friend Saul Tigh in court, not able to understand how can do such things in order to defend a traitor ([[Crossroads, Part I]]).<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *[[Wikipedia:Adama|Adama]] (also known as Nazareth) is the name of a large city in Ethiopia. The name is also a variation on &quot;[[Wikipedia:Adam and Eve|Adam]],&quot; the first man to be created according to the Bible in the [[Wikipedia:Genesis|Book of Genesis]]. In Hebrew the word pronounced &quot;Adama&quot; means earth.<br /> *The Greek word ''adamas'' (αδάμας) means invincible and is the etymological root of the word ''diamond''. It seems a suitable choice as the surname of the various related characters in this series as it relates to their personality traits.<br /> *Edward James Olmos has brown eyes, but he wears contacts when playing William Adama that make Adama's eyes blue. This is done so that Olmos and [[Jamie Bamber]], who is playing his son Apollo, will resemble each other more. <br /> *Astute viewers may recall Edward James Olmos sharing the screen with realistic humanoid robots as [[w:List of minor characters in Blade Runner#Gaff|Gaff]] in the classic science fiction film &quot;[[w:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]]&quot;. Olmos also shares with ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' star [[MemoryAlpha:William Shatner|William Shatner]] the distinction of being one of only two actors to both command a television starship and portray a police officer in a popular 1980's cop show (&quot;[[w:Miami Vice|Miami Vice]]&quot; for Olmos, &quot;[[w:T.J. Hooker|T.J. 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Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:News_Policy&diff=152329 2008-03-20T15:26:25Z

<p>Xlynx: typo</p> <hr /> <div>{{policy|14 June 2007|shortcut=BW:NP}}<br /> {{Battlestar Wiki List of Policies}}<br /> This policy deals with how Battlestar Wiki deals with news or rumors that it, or its members, uncover.<br /> <br /> == Policy ==<br /> <br /> Battlestar Wiki's mandate is to collect, categorize, and disseminate information regarding the aired episodes, books, comics, and other officially-licensed ''Battlestar'' stories into a reference medium. During this process, and due to the openness of the wiki, we may encounter people who tell us a piece of news that no one else knows about. Sometimes we are asked not to release such information until certain events come to pass, or we are given the go-ahead from our news source(s).<br /> <br /> However, since contributors are more than likely not journalists and the Wiki is not a news reporting site, we do not have the ability or the network needed to corroborate such information, as to determine its authenticity. Nor do we contain the experience or training of journalists, which is tantamount to properly presenting and breaking a story.<br /> <br /> It is therefore in our interest, as well as the interest of the greater ''Battlestar Galactica'' fandom, that the people responsible for coming across previously unreleased news or rumors to partner with a news site that deals with ''Battlestar Galactica'' news and rumors.<br /> <br /> ==Partnerships==<br /> <br /> Essentially, how this partnering process works is that the person(s) involved in discovering the story would submit a tip to the director of a news site of their choice. From there, the director of the site would determine the validity of the claim by corroborating with their sources. Should the news or rumor item lead to a story publishable on the site, the site would then credit us (or the person) for tipping them off.<br /> <br /> ==If you encounter a news item, relay it to the administrators first==<br /> <br /> Battlestar Wiki has two items where news on the shows, their cast or crew, or media can be published: the [[Battlestar Wiki:News|News]] portal (which allows a brief bullet item that will appear on the Main Page), and the [[Battlestar Wiki:Community Portal|Community Portal]].<br /> <br /> Because not all &quot;news&quot; is genuine, authentic, or sourced, it is '''strongly recommended''' that contributors (including administrators) post the item FIRST on the [[BW:AN|administrator's noticeboard]] as a query to other administrators. This way, other administrators (who are tasked with enforcing the wiki's [[BW:CJ|citation and sourcing policies]]) can determine if the item is authentic ''before'' the item is posted to the Wiki or relayed to a news partner. This might take time, but time is important for verification. <br /> <br /> One example of why verification is crucial happened in the month of May 2007, when cast members [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Katee Sackhoff]] [http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=2463&amp;Itemid=99 told a web news source] that [[Season 4]] would be the last season of the [[Re-imagined Series]]. However, hours later, series co-executive producer [[David Eick]] [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&amp;id=41457&amp;type=0 released a statement] that retracted the cast statements, indicating no such decision has been made. While Eick and Ron Moore eventually confirmed the cast's information several days later, it noted the importance of verifying sources.<br /> <br /> It is important not to believe that news bits must be immediately posted on the wiki; no matter what the source, Battlestar Wiki prefers news of notable caliber to be sourced not only from cast, crew or popular news source, but to be ''confirmed'' by the highest series executives or network executives available. [[BW:NOT|Battlestar Wiki is not a news forum or chat forum]] for such information, and &quot;first posting&quot; is never a mandate.<br /> <br /> ==Posting news tips elsewhere on the internet and Wiki representation==<br /> <br /> Currently, only [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] holds status to officially represent Battlestar Wiki in official postings elsewhere on the internet, per the wiki's [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Representation|official representation]] policy.<br /> <br /> Wiki contributors are welcome to submit a news tip on your own elsewhere on the internet, but contributors MAY NOT mention Battlestar Wiki in their posts or messages, nor may contributors have anything in your message (links, banners, or other graphics) that imply any associations with or endorsements of Battlestar Wiki.<br /> <br /> Contributors that misrepresent Battlestar Wiki are subject to short-term blocks of their account, or a permanent ban from editing Battlestar Wiki.<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> * [[Battlestar Wiki:What is Battlestar Wiki]]<br /> * [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Representation]]<br /> * [[Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/News Policy]] - The [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]] proposal that generated this policy.</div>

Xlynx https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Razor/Archive2&diff=151257 2008-03-06T09:54:37Z

<p>Xlynx: more clarification</p> <hr /> <div>{{ArchiveTOC}}<br /> <br /> ==The first Hybrid's &quot;children&quot;==<br /> I can think of several possibilities:<br /> *The Guardians<br /> *The humanoid Cylons<br /> *The other Hybrids<br /> *Cylons in general<br /> -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:27, 25 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == To-do list ==<br /> <br /> Most major things have been done already, but there are some left (add if you can think of anything):<br /> <br /> *&lt;strike&gt;Updating [[Peter Laird]]&lt;/strike&gt;<br /> *&lt;s&gt;Finding out who [[Riggs]] and [[Frank Bruno]] are and updating the articles&lt;/s&gt;<br /> *&lt;strike&gt;Adding some other lines to Noteworthy Dialogue&lt;/strike&gt;<br /> *&lt;strike&gt;Adding such dialogue to [[Razor Flashbacks]]. Not much to go on, but the &quot;[[nothing but the rain]]&quot; exchange between Adama and McGavin is good.&lt;/strike&gt;<br /> <br /> Razor analysis and questions will probably be done without much effort. The most major thing is getting pictures, but we better wait for DVD to do that. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:07, 26 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :Riggs is the marine Kendra gives a hard time to after his squad does a weapons assembly drill. Bruno only appears in the DVD, AFAIK. He's the guy who talks to Kendra in the &quot;coffee tent,&quot; before she posts to Pegasus. He also appears in a deleted scene with Lee. --[[User:Mmm...toasty|Mmm...toasty]] 11:48, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Nice. Thanks :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:59, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Razor Acts and Teaser==<br /> I've finished writing the Pegasus timeline for Razor. I know it's pretty long, but keep in mind that not only is it a double-episode, the content is extremely compressed, so it was hard to shorten it up. For future reference, I have added an invisible note at the bottom of the Razor summary detailing the Razor Teaser, and a breakdown of where each act begins and ends. Additionally, I am including another copy here.<br /> <br /> *Teaser<br /> **We see only Shaw’s hand as she opens and closes Cain’s knife. She rubs her fingers along the blade, careful not to get hurt. She talks about the importance of living with your decisions, and the cycle of life, and how there are no second chances. The word “RAZOR” flashes across the screen.<br /> **We now see a series of flashbacks, periodically edited in with shots of Shaw caressing Cain’s knife. The first to appear is the discovery of the Pegasus by the Fleet ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). We then see Gina being whipped by Thorne (a new scene), and we hear Baltar’s voice comforting her, telling her that what she needs is justice. Next we see Gina holding the gun to Cain’s head. We hear the gun go off, and then we immediately see her funeral, with Fisk giving the eulogy ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). Next we see Fisk being garroted and then Adama and Tigh talking about promoting Garner ([[Black Market]]). Next we see the scene where the enemy baseships jump ahead of the Pegasus, and Garner dies saving the ship. We see Apollo promoted to commander ([[The Captain's Hand]]).<br /> **Finally we hear Shaw again, talking about how you are the choices you make in life, followed by the opening titles.<br /> <br /> ::Don't use things like &quot;we see&quot;. If anything write &quot;the viewer sees&quot;. But best is a more neutral voice like &quot;Shaw says&quot; or &quot;Shaw's hand&quot;. The rest isn't really needed at all. I don't think it's necessary to summarize the flashbacks designed to bring viewers up to speed. Shaw's monologue should be enough. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:29, 26 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> *Act 1<br /> **Begins after opening titles.<br /> **Ends after Shaw is promoted to major.<br /> *Act 2<br /> **Begins as Shaw is drilling Colonial Marines on rifle assembly aboard Pegasus. <br /> **Ends as the Pegasus crew is shouting “So Say We All!”<br /> *Act 3<br /> **Begins as the Pegasus senior staff is discussing the communication relay. <br /> **Ends as the first Cylon salvos strike Pegasus.<br /> *Act 4<br /> **Begins as Belzen is being taken to the morgue. <br /> **Ends after the First Cylon War flashback, as Adama and Roslin look over the original Cylon Raider. <br /> *Act 5<br /> **Begins as Roslin, Apollo and Adama discuss the Guardian basestar. <br /> **Ends after the massacre aboard the Scylla.<br /> *Act 6<br /> **Begins as the Scylla boarding party is leaving the ship. <br /> **Ends as the Centurion Model 0005’s are coordinating with each other aboard the Cylon Raider.<br /> *Act 7<br /> **Begins as Red Squad is floating in space. <br /> **Ends after the Guardian basestar explodes. <br /> *Act 8<br /> **Begins as Apollo and Adama are discussing Cain and Shaw posthumously. <br /> **Ends at credits.<br /> --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:52, 26 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :Alright I've taken that part out. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 04:39, 26 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Doral in Razor? ==<br /> <br /> Is it me, or is the guy in a suit (security?) seen shortly behind Cain at the beginning of the conference in her quarters a [[Number Five]]? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 12:56, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> : I did a double take myself when I saw that... but it isn't Doral. It's apparently just a crew member who is dressed as a butler for the dinner occasion. (For Doral's appearance in &quot;Razor&quot;, he's in a scene where he notifies Bill Adama that Lee will be doing the flyby during the decommissioning ceremony.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 13:01, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :They look somewhat similar, but you can tell it's not really him. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:05, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Hair color? ==<br /> <br /> Is it just me, or is Cain's hair color different in this appearance than it was in the previous season two episodes? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 19:42, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :Positrons... heisenberg hair color uncertainty principle... yeah. It appears darker offhand. [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=53&amp;pos=3 New hair] vs [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=53&amp;pos=3 Old hair]--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:03, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Didn't we talk about this already? :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 20:26, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :::I mentioned it in our Gtalk conversation. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 20:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::Not just the color, but the style, too. She looks more feminine and less severe. Maybe she decides later that curlers and color treatments are not combat considerations :) --[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 16:51, 30 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == New Razor article? ==<br /> <br /> It's like what I say in the header, though to specify: are we going to have another article for the extended/unrated version of &quot;Razor&quot; like with what we did with &quot;[[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]&quot;, or are we just going to drop everything under the same article? I'd like to know before any integration of new material from the extended version goes into here. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 12:16, 5 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Isn't it just 15 minutes more material? Given the length of 1.5 hours, that's not so much. The summary is already pretty long, but since it's not that much new stuff, we could include it in this article I think. And then mark it somehow, for example with &quot;(*)&quot;. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:20, 5 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I have the DVD for two weeks now (a week before release) and it's not that much of a difference. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 12:22, 5 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::No need to have an extended version of the page. We should just note what happens in these extended scenes, note that they are extended, and we'll be fine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 12:44, 5 December 2007 (CST)<br /> Well, I wasn't advocating a new page. I just wanted to make sure no one was going to create one before we started adding the extra material in - which I'm surprised no one has started yet. I do think there should be something specific about there being two versions, though. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 16:29, 5 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Could be placed in the overview section. There it can also be explained how the DVD scenes are marked. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:30, 5 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I we do include the extra scenes into this main article, we should mark them as being on the dvd only. I got my copy last night and saw the changes. They're not a lot &quot;length-wise&quot;, but in general story telling, it does add in a lot. It definitely explains more about Cain's psyche and explains her motives to fight instead of run. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 09:09, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Split Idea ==<br /> <br /> We should move the analysis and the production notes to two different pages. They make this one page, way to long to begin with. [[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 01:33, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Yeah. Similar to the Miniseries a [[Razor, Analysis]] or maybe [[Razor/Analysis]] article would probably be better, since the summary is very long. Splitting off the official statements is a good idea too. I'd keep notes and maybe dialogue though. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:12, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::What if we create a template where users can easily select which articles they wish to view (in addition to the ''Main article'' links you suggest on the page)? That way we can combine this article and whatever we choose to disjoin from it, along with the [[Razor Flashbacks]] and Razor DVD (both [[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|1]] &amp; [[Razor (Region 2 DVD)|2]]) pages all into one nice neat little package. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 03:53, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :::Basically, the idea wouldn't work... there's no way to dynamically cherry pick and select what you want to read, at least not with the MediaWiki software. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 08:36, 11 December 2007 (CST) <br /> :::(Update.) OrionFour, I did run with your suggestion however, as you can see [[Razor/Full Article|here]], which integrates the main article with the sub articles for the complete page. However, there's still no way for a user to dynamically pick what they want. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 10:58, 16 December 2007 (CST)<br /> : Yeah, we can split off the notes, analysis, and statements into their own separate sub-article. That'd work. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 08:36, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> : I strongly disagree. Unlike the miniseries, there's no logical breakpoint, and having analysis and synopsis on different pages is irritating and confusing - I'm personally glad we abandoned the practice with the miniseries articles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:29, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Well, the article is a bit too long. I moved the official statements to a subpage, since that can easily be put elsewhere. If we don't want to do that with analysis and notes too (which are very important), we could also move the dialogue. Then the article wouldn't really be short, but manageable I think. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:37, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::: The dialogue does take up a lot of the page, so we can probably move that to a seperate sub-page as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 17:00, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> Any more comments on this? I moved official statements and dialogue to subpages. The article is still long, but fine I think. So as far as I am concerned, we don't need additional splits/moves. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:46, 16 December 2007 (CST)<br /> : The article is fine now. I've gone through and removed the split templates from the main page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 09:58, 16 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Merge: DVD ==<br /> <br /> Shouldn't we move this to the DVD page? Kinda of irrlenevent here since it's not what was offically shown on TV? This is more like a bouns of the DVD, not Razor TV showing itself. A link should still be provided. [[User:Shane|Shane]] &lt;sup&gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&lt;/sup&gt; 01:33, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :For me it's the same as the extended version of &quot;Pegasus&quot;. The long version is the definite one. Besides, the additions are clearly separated, so you can easily see what's only on DVD. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:12, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Incorrect. The longer version is the &quot;default&quot; canonical one, since it is considered by the people behind the show to be the definitive version. Same thing goes for the extended version of &quot;Pegasus&quot; as Serenity said. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 08:33, 11 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Gemenese ==<br /> <br /> Did I hear correctly that someone mentioned the Gemenese collaborated during the First Cylon War? Maybe when Adama was on the ice planet. [[User:Huh?|Huh?]] 16:24, 18 December 2007 (CST)<br /> : Never heard that... You may be thinking of the ''[[Diana]]'', a ship from Gemenon that the the Cylons captured for their [[hybrid]] experiments. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 16:44, 18 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Huh? (pardon the pun). They were ''abducted''; as Joe said. What about those medical experiments looked even the least bit voluntary? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:45, 18 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::My PC speakers aren't the best. But I thought one of the captives mentioned it very quickly. I must be wrong. [[User:Huh?|Huh?]] 11:44, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Colonial Officers - compromising one's credo ==<br /> <br /> The Colonial military must have a different creed for their officer corps. I am a Lieutenant Colonel in the USAFR, and one of the first things that I learned was that the military was for the protection of the nation - and by extention, the citizens. And as the officer corps is responsible to ensure that this creed is upheld, seeing officers in &quot;Razor&quot; comply with an illegal order to kill people on the SCYILLA because these people wanted protection, and not be plundered in an act of piracy, is abhorrent. Lt. Shaw was understandably not happy about complying with the order, but if she had any integrity, she would not only have declined the promotion to Captain from Admiral Cain, she would have also resigned her commission and told Cain that she was nothing more than a corsair. [[Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]] 12:28, 29 December 2007 (PST)<br /> :If the ''Scylla'' had happened before the [[Fall of the Colonies]], maybe Shaw would have told Cain to stick her orders up her ass. However, there was nowhere to run from a crazy woman commanding (as far as she knew) the only remaining military ship left in the universe. The danger of Cain having her killed for such insurrection was very real, considering the order to shoot people on the ''Scylla'' and her murder of [[Jurgen Belzen]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 15:36, 29 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::The thing is, Cain can't singlehandedly kill everyone who disobeys an order. If enough people had refused to go with her course of action, they could have disposed of her. Her system only worked because enough people voluntarily went along with it. Probably not everyone, but enough to intimidate the rest. Though, Shaw refusing that promotion when she was alone with Cain probably wouldn't have gone over well. A coordinated mutiny might have worked however. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 29 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :::Good luck coordinating it when you've already killed someone on Cain's say-so and accepted the promotion that followed it ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 16:00, 29 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::From a storytelling and character development perspective, the episode follows the molding of Kendra Shaw's character. There are powerful forces at play here: the difference in rank and authority between an admiral and an admiral's aide, the sheer force of Cain's personality, and the direness and desperation of the situation. This is a conflict between what is taught in the classroom and what is encountered in the field, where the commander sets the tone, with plenty of real-life examples.--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 23:48, 17 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Experimented upon Humans in First Cylon War flashback ==<br /> After watching the DVD version of Razor, I was convinced that the humans being tortured in the flashback were somewhat familiar. The fact that it looked like they were being intentionally obscured by makeup, camera angles and doors seemed like an invitation to look further.<br /> <br /> I believe that after Adama puts his hand into the prototype vat:<br /> * The first person you see behind the bars is a Leoben (or at least the human template).<br /> * The person on the table being carved up with scalpels is Galen Tyrol.<br /> * The disfigured lady behind the bars is a Number 8.<br /> Which begs the question who is the terrified man and the child? Before I realised it was supposed to be a child, I presumed it was a Number 6. <br /> I was expecting to find reference to this somewhere on the web, but drew a blank; so I'm prepared to be wrong - but I'm almost 100% certain of the gentleman on the table being Galen. <br /> --[[User:Zaz|Zaz]] 16:55, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> : Unfortunately, much of this is speculation and there's nothing to really support either interpretation, so you won't find much on it here. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 16:56, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br /> :: Fair enough, but I do invite people to take a look. --[[User:Zaz|Zaz]] 17:02, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br /> ::: Oh, it's definitely worth looking into. It's just impossible to support any definitive interpretation on those scenes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &lt;sup&gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &amp;mdash; ''New'']&lt;/sup&gt; 17:07, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br /> ::::An interesting idea. Someone else also pitched the idea somewhere around here that Tigh was the terrified man, that Adama rescued him and that that's how they became friends (this was when the &quot;Razor&quot; webisodes were released). However, Adama doesn't rescue anyone, and it was pointed out that Adama and Tigh first met after the war aboard a freighter ([[Scattered]]). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]&lt;sup&gt;([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])&lt;/sup&gt; 17:13, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br /> :::::Interesting speculation. Personally I always thought the Terrified Man at the very least sounded like a Leoben. You might try posting something on the [http://www.battlestarforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=3 Battlestar Forum] and see what people think. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 17:41, 1 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == relatively poor special effects in Razor ==<br /> <br /> Firstly, I'll refer to the following from the article:<br /> *''A curious technical gaffe appears to occur as the smoke from the various fires in the shipyard travel upward. Unless the flames (which would appear as a globular &quot;blossom&quot; shape without gravity) jet upward, the smoke, with the lack of convection (heat rising upward as lighter gases against gravity), would expand in all directions opposite the flames or venting, not &quot;up&quot; relative to the battlestar or flames.''<br /> **''While this is true, it is possible that the ship yard is drifting, having lost attitude control due to damage which would leave a short trail.''<br /> <br /> Would a drifting object in space really leave a trail of smoke if the smoke is not propelled from the object with any counter-force (as that of rocket engine)? <br /> I'd have thought without the friction of an atmosphere, the smoke would continue with the same momentum [and in the same direction] as that of the object it originated from. Is anyone here a physicist?<br /> <br /> <br /> I believe the special effects in ''Razor'' are simply of lower quality that that of the other RDM content. Other examples are:<br /> * The explosion looks &quot;cheap&quot; when a Raider is destroyed during the Guardian's final attack on Pegasus (this scene is also in the teaser prologue).<br /> * When Husker chases the two Raiders into the clouds, the ships seem to disappear prematurely.<br /> [[User:Xlynx|Xlynx]] 22:51, 2 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> About that shipyard thing, because the fires would be above the shipyard's upper deck, is it possible that there could be a little gravity extending past the hull of the station? OR alternatively, could they have purposely put gravity on the shipyard for some reason? --[[User:Isidis|Isidis]] 08:42, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> You're right about the smoke, I noticed that too. Except it wouldn't necessarily expand unless it were contained within something. It would just be ejected at the same constant velocity and direction at which the burning oxygen escaped from the ship into space. <br /> <br /> If my memory serves me correctly, BSG now uses in-house visual effects, as opposed to contracting the work out to outside organizations such as [[Zoic]] or [[Atmosphere]]. In-house effects, while considerably cheaper, are traditionally of less quality.-- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 21:10, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :I should probably clarify this a little better. On Earth, the reason smoke rises as opposed to falling, is because the individual carbon atoms, which make up the vast majority of smoke, are lighter than the O2 atoms which make up the vast majority of our air, which forces them upwards. Because of this, smoke should never rise in space (in Razor, it not only is ejected, it curves and rises upwards, which is a physics gaffe). It should however continue at the same rate at which is was ejected (we're assuming this force comes from the force of depressurization).<br /> :Smoke doesn't really expand either, it billows, which gives the appearance of it expanding. Faster moving smoke pushes slower moving smoke out of the way, which creates an oscillating mushroom cloud affect, hence billowing smoke. In space, because there is no air resistance to slow down smoke, it should never billow. Instead it should continue outward at the constant velocity at which it was ejected, due to Newton's first law of universal motion. -- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 22:28, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br /> ::Ok, I forgot about something important. When the air depressurizes, it must deppressurize to zero in space. This has the added effect of splaying out the air in all directions away from the hull breach, as molecules and atoms move away from each other until they exert zero pressure force on one another. This happens very quickly. The vectors remain constant, meaning that you shouldn't even see the smoke after a while, as the atoms become so far apart at a certain distance that the human eye wouldn't be able to distinguish it.-- [[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 01:04, 4 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :::There has to be a little suspension-of-disbelief here. In all likelihood they were trying to evoke imagery of a Pearl Harbor-like nature, and the fire and smoke are some of the visual cues. There are other nods to convention that wouldn't make sense in reality ... Doppler-effect engine sounds in space? Viper engines that are always burning (constant acceleration), and reverse thrusters a fraction of the force able to rapidly decelerate, and attitudinal thrusters that seem to magically chnge the ship's momentum as well? All nods to what we and the general audience have grown accustomed to seeing ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 23:54, 5 February 2008 (CST)</div>

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