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Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2006-12-10T05:15:42Z

Volostheguardian:

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques

2006-11-19T22:36:17Z

Volostheguardian: /* Battlestar Valkyrie */

Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques

2006-11-18T16:04:26Z

Volostheguardian: Battlestar Valkyrie

Basestar (TRS)

2006-11-08T05:34:41Z

Volostheguardian:

:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders (likely)
| img= Y
}}

==Overview==
'''Cylon Basestars''' (also referred to as "baseships" or "Cylon battlestars") are the most prominent example of [[Cylon]] presence.

They dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be more technologically advanced, equipped with a superior [[FTL|jump system]] and no visible means of propulsion. Basestars operate a fleet of small fighters called [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] and are capable of deploying hundreds of these simultaneously (see Related Imagery).

Basestars possess several rooms and hallways, that are sleek but generally bland; Cylons project different environments to get around the ship more easily. Data and other functions such as analyzing photographs are handled in literal streams of water that go over a lit up computer glass surface. Cylons can absorb data from simply placing their hands in the basins.

By the end of [[Exodus, Part II]] a total of 5 Basestars have been confirmed destroyed by the Galactica and the Pegasus, or their crew.
*Kobol's Last Gleaming - 1
*Resurrection Ship, Part 2 - 1
*Exodus, Part 2 - 3

One Basestar was heavily damaged and possibly destroyed in "Resurrection Ship, Part 2", and another in "The Captain's Hand".

==The Hybrid==

It was revealed in [Torn] that the Basestar is run by a female Cylon incorporated into the ship, but is not so much the pilot in that she '''is''' the face of the Basestar. The 'Hybrid' as referred to by the other Cylons speaks in a nonsensical manner, further ending a sentence with "end of line." She is in direct control of the ship and maintains the Centurions, but Cylon Agents are the overall commanders of the ship.

==Armaments==

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles from "turrets" mounted throughout the hubs and central axis that rotate to allow the basestar to fire in any direction<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are usually carried out only before Raider deployment. One example of a Cylon nuclear attack involved three Cylon basestars that [[The Captain's Hand|ambush]] the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''. They open their attack firing several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and switching to a non-nuclear firing solution ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

It is estimated that a basestar's complement of Raiders is as high as 792 fighters<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>, not counting fighters in repair or otherwise offline.

This tactic, along with the massive amounts of Raiders that a basestar can unleash, suggest a similarity with the [[Wikipedia:Arsenal ship|Arsenal ship]] concept to overwhelm and destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their [[backdoor]] in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), nor any armoring<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 57.</ref>, basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|Basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
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[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two Basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|Basestar and ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL jump after jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|jump]]. Following the 239th jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
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[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|The Basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racetrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
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[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galacticas''' Vipers on approach to the Basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL jump. This haphazard jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to Kobol to recalculate the jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
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* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several, approximately six or seven, basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

==Continuity Note==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
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== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
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User talk:Talos

2006-10-28T19:45:23Z

Volostheguardian:

==Just a Note==
Heya, Talos. A couple times I've noticed that on talk pages, you're not signing your comments. It's kind of hard that way to see who said what's typed. It's simple to do, just after the end of your post, type two dashes and four tildes (without spaces: --~~ ~~). That will sign the thing like this: --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:11, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

: Sorry, I actually just noticed that with my comment on the Mil. Hairstyles. I didn't know how to do that before but now I'll go back and add them. Thanks for the help, now let's see if it works. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:17, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

:: No worries. Also note, that it's traditional to indent a reply by starting out with a coolon. One colon for each tab (and thus for each reply-level). I took the liberty of formatting this conversation. When I joined, I found the [[Battlestar Wiki:Tutorial|tutorial]] very helpful for these kinds of things. Also, if you want to share some things about yourself, or whatever, I reccomend editing your [[User:Talos|user page]]. I always like to get to know people, but it's, of course, entirely up to you how much, if any, to share about yourself. --[[User:Day|Day]] 14:36, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

== Regarding [[:Image:Mini TOS1701.jpg]] ==

Noticed the image you uploaded and have to ask, where exactly did this come from? (I wouldn't be surprised if Zoic slipped this in somewhere, seeing as they slipped in the ''Serenity''.) If you could add any pertinent info to [[:Image:Mini TOS1701.jpg]];s description page, that would be appreciated. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:26, 14 November 2005 (EST)
:I'm going to add something, I've just been busy and haven't gotten around to it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:32, 15 November 2005 (EST)
::I went to my DVD of the Mini, and you can see the Enterprise at 2:46:40. The brightness in the picture is turned up. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:36, 15 November 2005 (EST)
:::That particular image is from the starshipbuilder.com forums. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:29, 15 November 2005 (EST)
::::I first saw it at a discussion at the Trek BBS. In case it can't be used I made a (not as good) screen capture off of my DVD. [[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Screenshot of USS Enterprise NCC-1701 in Battlestar Galacitica Mini-Series.]]

== Greets from a fellow (former) Cadet Captain ==

Noticed the activity on your talk page, and ran into your user page. I didn't have it on my user page, but I also held the rank of Cadet Captain back in my day. Army ROTC, Western Region, 10th "Gateway" Brigade, Bulldog Battalion (Truman State University), Bravo Company. I was CO (first semester) and XO (second semester) of Bravo, my sophomore year. Scared the heck out of my (now retired) Air Force dad (thinking that I would join), but I ended up not contracting. It still makes a nice bullet on the resume, and was a good experience. [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:47, 15 November 2005 (EST)
:Good to meet another cadet. I was only in JROTC so far but I'm considering joining NROTC when I transfer to a four year college after next year. BTW I was the Battalion S-3 of the Prince George High School "Royal" Battalion.

== Happy Belated Birthday ==

Seeing that you were panning for a greeting, I just wanted to let you know you were successful. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:25, 22 January 2006 (EST)

So did you just become a "major" or have 17-year-olds officially been out of your grasp for a full year now? :) --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 15:36, 22 January 2006 (EST)
:They've been out of my grasp for some time now. I do start senior ROTC hopefully in the fall. I'm planning on joining the Navy and being either a Surface Warfare Officer of a Naval Flight Officer (for comparison: Gaeta or Apollo/Boomer/Helo etc.). Thanks, I've felt out of the loop since the site went down originally. I was only able to access it once in that whole time until now and that was only for about an hour. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:22, 22 January 2006 (EST)

Yes, happy birthday! I'll send a copy of Number Six your way. ;-) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 00:27, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Boomer Target Pic ==
Hey, man! Nice shot! (Screenshot, that is.) Perfect! I hope [[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] likes it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:41, 27 January 2006 (EST)

==Battle pages==
Isn't it more relevant to know who was piloting the vipers rather than what their numbers were? I'd say we should only cite numbers where they are known but pilots are not. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:21, 20 March 2006 (CST)
:That'd work, what I was thinking is that the pilot is going to be listed on the Viper page, eg [[Viper 7961]] shows Kat as the pilot in the battle. But, like they say, YMMV. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:18, 20 March 2006 (CST)

==Requested pics==
Hey thanks for that Socinus pic from the deleted scenes. Hey, can you try to get one of that other one I've got in "requested images", from the "Colonial Day" deleted scenes which might give us more info about Quorum member names from that episode (My DVD player can't seem to catch it). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:52, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
:I just tried and couldn't get it. I'll keep trying. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 15:54, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

== Season 3 Pics ==

I updated a bunch over at [[:md:User:Shane/gallery|my gallery]]... I didn't releize that they were so big. You going to update them with the larger versions? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:22, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:Sure, I can if you want. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:32, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::That be better beacuse I wouldn't be able to match the file with the image. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:38, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm reducing them to 25% size, this cuts down memory size from about 3-4mb to 160-170kb without sacrificing much quality. Any I don't get done tonight (its 0037 right now), I'll do tomorrow. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:19, 1 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Aye. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:25, 1 September 2006 (CDT)

== Viper Designs? ==

Are you the same "Talos" from SFM with the funky-as-frak Viper/Scorpion designs? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:31, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:Yep, that would be me, I was wondering how long it would be until someone mentioned them here. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:37, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::If you have no objections, my friend, I'd like to use/reference a couple in a BSG alternate-universe fic i'm currently writing :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:43, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::That's no problem at all, feel free to. Which one's were you going to use? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:44, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::::I'm not sure, exactly. The fic itself is still very much in its infancy. I did like the look of your Scorpion design, and was looking to have either a Mk VIII or an as-yet un-designed long-range, FTL-capable nuclear strike bird. Do you have any IM programs? I'd like your views on the fic so far, and any thoughts you might have on the tech (unseen Battlestars, contents of a BSG etc). --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:50, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Sure, I have MSN spatricklittle@hotmail.com is my screen name. I'll get on now if you'd like. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:52, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::That'd be great, thanks :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:54, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Hey, just thought you should know- I can't view that Scorpion pic you linked me to, there's some problem connecting to the server --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:39, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::::I just tried it and it works, I'll upload it again as well as the new Scarab pic. The Scarab has the new aft fuselage fairing and tail that the Scorpion'll have when I update it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:47, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
[[http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/366/scorpionivtopar1.jpg Scorpion Mk IV]]
[[http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4276/scarabmkitoptv8.jpg Scarab Mk I]]

== My RFA ==

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| Thank you for participating in my [[BW:RFA|RfA]], which passed with a tally of '''7/0/0'''. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:37, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
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:No problem, Shane, I trust you'll do good work as an admin and that is why I voted for you. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:50, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

== Your RFA ==

Has come in. Might want to take a [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/Talos|screencapture]] of it. :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:26, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

== Congrats! ==

You've been promoted to administrator! Congrats! If you have any questions, feel free to ask! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:05, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:Thanks Joe, and everyone who voted for me, it means a lot....Hey new tabs, awesome! I'll go grab a mop. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:57, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Make sure it's clean! Congrats! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:19, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== External Cannons? ==

It's good and all that you expanded the offensive section of the Raptor, but can you cite where the external cannons are from? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:45, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

Cylon Centurion

2006-10-22T22:20:17Z

Volostheguardian:

: ''For Centurions from the [[Original Series]], see [[Centurion (TOS)]].''

[[Image:CylonCenturion.jpg|200px|thumb|right|Centurion, Warrior of the Cylon Army.]]

The basic unit of Cylon ground forces, the '''Cylon Centurion''' appears to be an upgrade to the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]. They have long, talon-like fingers with multiple joints and have a double barreled automatic projectile weapon mounted on the end of each arm. These newer, fiercer Centurions are capable of moving extremely fast via [[Wikipedia:bipedal locomotion|bipedal locomotion]] and are capable of jumping over obstacles. The projectile guns built into each arm are so powerful that they make counterattacks very difficult by Colonials since the barrage is, in effect, much like a [[Wikipedia:gatling gun|gatling gun]]. Unlike the Model 0005, a single Centurion is more than enough to terrorize a squad of Colonial fighters. They also use mortars in combat.

It is unknown whether the Centurions can "speak." It is certainly possible that they communicate with each other via some sort of computer network, and thus have no need for verbal speech.

The Cylon Centurions may also have different armors. For instance, a small number of them wreaked havoc when boarding ''[[Galactica]]'', and could only be destroyed using explosive rounds ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Centurions encountered on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] reacted more slowly, acted less intelligently, and were more easily destroyed by small arms fire. This may be due to the Cylons' plans for [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|the copy of Sharon Valerii]] with him; killing them would render their experiments worthless. A similar group of Centurions found on [[Kobol]] during the episode [[Fragged]] were equally less individually intelligent. It may be that these Centurions are very simple soldiers that, despite their menacing statistics, are limited in their evolution and programming. Centurions are not sentient, and are not [[Resurrection Ship|downloaded]] upon destruction.

On [[New Caprica]], the Centurions are used for a variety of jobs. Among them guards, soldiers and executioners.

When the Cylons created their new Centurions, they did not give them sentience, making them rely solely on programming. Ironically this was done, according to information from [[Sharon Agathon]], to prevent another robotic rebellion similar to the one the Cylons themselves originally orchestrated. Moreover, the Centurions are programmed to not harm any of the 12 humanoid Cylon models and they cannot distinguish one copy from another ([[Precipice]]).

===Cinematic Notes===
The creators of the Re-imagined Series decided that using actors in an elaborate Cylon robot outfit (as was done in the Original Series) would detract from the realism of the series. They decided to make fully computer-generated Cylon Centurions for the new series.

Inaugural director [[Michael Rymer]] wanted the new Cylon warrior to blend in and avoid detracting from the live actor's performances. However, the new designs were eye-catching, and the new robot became a popular addition to many scenes. The virtual Cylons are designed with full articulation in the hands and joints that gives a realistic appearance to the viewer. Initially the new warrior was built with more human movement, such as swaggering. However, the movements did not fit the robotic attitude that the writers wanted to convey and were later discarded.

Actors interact with a life-size cardboard stand-in when filming a scene that will later have virtual Cylon warriors inserted. Some times human actors (production assistants in reality) stand in for the CG Centurions in more complex shots. As revealed in a [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/bts/videoblog/ Video Blog] entry on SciFi's ''Galactica'' website, stand-ins portraying Centurions are made to wear thick black vests with the word '''CENTURION''' printed across them. Much like the cardboard stand-ins the "actors" are then digitally painted out of the shot and replaced with virtual Centurions.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Cylon Centurion New 001.jpg|'''Centurion''' in action during the boarding of ''Galactica'' ([[Valley of Darkness]])
Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|'''Centurion''' leaving the crashed [[Cylon Heavy Raider]] ([[Scattered]])
Image:CenturionFace.jpg|'''Centurion''' investigating a Cylon garage. ([[Downloaded]])
Image:Centz.jpg|'''Centurion''' Guard in New Caprica. ([[Occupation]])
</gallery>

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[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Cylon Centurion

2006-10-21T18:23:25Z

Volostheguardian:

: ''For Centurions from the [[Original Series]], see [[Centurion (TOS)]].''

[[Image:CylonCenturion.jpg|200px|thumb|right|Centurion, Warrior of the Cylon Army.]]

The basic unit of Cylon ground forces, the '''Cylon Centurion''' appears to be an upgrade to the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]. They have long, talon-like fingers with multiple joints and have a double barreled automatic projectile weapon mounted on the end of each arm. These newer, fiercer Centurions are capable of moving extremely fast via [[Wikipedia:bipedal locomotion|bipedal locomotion]] and are capable of jumping over obstacles. The projectile guns built into each arm are so powerful that they make counterattacks very difficult by Colonials since the barrage is, in effect, much like a [[Wikipedia:gatling gun|gatling gun]]. Unlike the Model 0005, a single Centurion is more than enough to terrorize a squad of Colonial fighters. They also use mortars in combat.

It is unknown whether the Centurions can "speak." It is certainly possible that they communicate with each other via some sort of computer network, and thus have no need for verbal speech.

The Cylon Centurions may also have different armors. For instance, a small number of them wreaked havoc when boarding ''[[Galactica]]'', and could only be destroyed using explosive rounds ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Centurions encountered on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] reacted more slowly, acted less intelligently, and were more easily destroyed by small arms fire. This may be due to the Cylons' plans for [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|the copy of Sharon Valerii]] with him; killing them would render their experiments worthless. A similar group of Centurions found on [[Kobol]] during the episode [[Fragged]] were equally less individually intelligent. It may be that these Centurions are very simple soldiers that, despite their menacing statistics, are limited in their evolution and programming. Centurions are not sentient, and are not [[Resurrection Ship|downloaded]] upon destruction.

On [[New Caprica]], the Centurions are used for a variety of jobs. Among them guards, soldiers and executioners.

When the Cylons created their new Centurions, they did not give them sentience, making them rely solely on programming. Ironically this was done, according to information from [[Sharon Agathon]] , to prevent another robotic rebellion similar to the one the Cylons themselves originally orchestrated. Moreover, the Centurions are programmed to not harm any of the 12 humanoid Cylon models and they cannot distinguish one copy from another ([[Precipice]]).

===Cinematic Notes===
The creators of the Re-imagined Series decided that using actors in an elaborate Cylon robot outfit (as was done in the Original Series) would detract from the realism of the series. They decided to make fully computer-generated Cylon Centurions for the new series.

Inaugural director [[Michael Rymer]] wanted the new Cylon warrior to blend in and avoid detracting from the live actor's performances. However, the new designs were eye-catching, and the new robot became a popular addition to many scenes. The virtual Cylons are designed with full articulation in the hands and joints that gives a realistic appearance to the viewer. Initially the new warrior was built with more human movement, such as swaggering. However, the movements did not fit the robotic attitude that the writers wanted to convey and were later discarded.

Actors interact with a life-size cardboard stand-in when filming a scene that will later have virtual Cylon warriors inserted. Some times human actors (production assistants in reality) stand in for the CG Centurions in more complex shots. As revealed in a [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/bts/videoblog/ Video Blog] entry on SciFi's ''Galactica'' website, stand-ins portraying Centurions are made to wear thick black vests with the word '''CENTURION''' printed across them. Much like the cardboard stand-ins the "actors" are then digitally painted out of the shot and replaced with virtual Centurions.

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Cylon Centurion New 001.jpg|'''Centurion''' in action during the boarding of ''Galactica'' ([[Valley of Darkness]])
Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|'''Centurion''' leaving the crashed [[Cylon Heavy Raider]] ([[Scattered]])
Image:CenturionFace.jpg|'''Centurion''' investigating a Cylon garage. ([[Downloaded]])
Image:Centz.jpg|'''Centurion''' Guard in New Caprica. ([[Occupation]])
</gallery>

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[[Category:RDM]]

Flight of the Phoenix

2006-10-20T03:53:21Z

Volostheguardian: /* Analysis */

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| director=[[Michael Nankin]]
| production=209
| rating= 1.9
| US airdate=2005-09-16
| UK airdate=2006-04-07
| dvd= {{Season 2.0 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US''' {{Season 2 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| population=47,853
| prev=[[Final Cut]]
| next=[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]
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== Overview ==

:''[[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] throws himself into the task of constructing a new [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] from scratch, despite the ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' crew's misgivings and apprehension. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] must deal with the repercussions of his relationship with [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] on Caprica. A Cylon computer [[virus]] long thought deleted reasserts itself in ''Galactica's'' computers, putting the ship and the crew in danger.''

== Summary ==
* [[Laura Roslin]]'s illness has reached a critical level. While she is still well enough to walk, Dr. [[Cottle]] gives her approximately one month to live.
* [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] has become ''persona non grata'' to many of the crew who distrust him due to his romance with the Caprica copy of [[Cylon agent]] [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]].
* Many of the crew, even the generally level-headed and reliable Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], are showing the strain of the apparent futility and fatigue of running from the Cylons.
* Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]], with also little else to do with scrapped Vipers, begins a project to craft a new fighter. Initially, many crew are very skeptical, but they and others help Tyrol.
* Helo suggests carbon composite material for the skin in lieu of the scarce metal plating normally used for Vipers. Like the American F/A-22 Raptor Air-Dominance Fighter's low visibility to [[Wikipedia:Radar|RADAR]], Tyrol's new ship is nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]].
* [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Lee Adama]] nearly suffocate when the life-support systems on the [[firing range]] malfunction.
* A Cylon [[Logic bomb|logic bomb]] has studied all ship's systems. It will fully control ''[[Galactica]]'' once an expected Cylon force arrives to activate it by infiltration. Gaeta and Baltar work together to figure a way to rid the ship of it by erasing the hard drives of all computers. Doing this, however, will leave the ship a sitting duck for an attack while time is needed to restore function and data to the computers.
* Adama, after asking the advice of the President, allows the Caprica Valerii to connect herself to the ship's mainframe and communication systems while Gaeta and Baltar erase the hard drives of all computers.
* A Cylon fighter armada consisting of hundreds of [[Raider]]s and [[Heavy Raider]]s attempts to activate the bomb. However, Valerii responds by transmitting a version of the same bomb to the Cylon fleet, disabling it as the Cylons did the Colonial fleet during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. The Viper squadrons annihilate the helpless Cylon fleet in a [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|joyous moment of payback]].
* Kara Thrace takes the new fighter, dubbed the [[Blackbird]], for a initially ungainly test flight. This fighter is designed for speed, and soon delivers it. Lee Adama, in a Viper chase plane, is horrified when the Blackbird disappears, but Starbuck rises above to face his ship quietly, proving the new fighter's stealth ability.
* In a ceremony similar to the one given to Commander Adama in the [[Miniseries]], President Roslin inspects and christens the new fighter. Many sign the ship. Tyrol reveals the name of this first fighter: ''Laura''.
* The mere work on the new fighter renewed the creativity and hope of the crew--a reason why Adama allowed its construction to continue, despite the logic bomb crisis.

== Questions ==
* This episode was rare in that Baltar's [[Number Six]] was completely absent in this episode, despite the Cylon-rich plot. What would she have said about Valerii's aid or the logic bomb?
**According to RDM's podcast Number Six was in this episode in one scene which was in the end deleted for time; in it Baltar gets up from working on the Cylon virus with Gaeta and has a conversation with Six standing in the middle of CIC.
**Number Six's brief deleted scene is available in the Season 2.0 DVD set.
*It is unlikely that the Caprica-Valerii's presence on ''Galactica'' is a secret to her crew since extraordinary measures were made to house her. It is possible that Adama is using a lie-of-omission to cover the existence of the second Valerii to the civilian fleet, since it is very likely that her likeness has been distributed to the rest of the fleet as a warning to keep a watch for other copies, a policy established in a Season 1 episode. While is it improbable that the death of "Boomer" Valerii could be fully contained, it is probable that Adama realizes that rumor and innuendo will disguise the fact that they harbor a second copy for interrogation purposes. In the [[Final Cut|previous episode]], Commander Adama angrily ordered [[D'anna Biers]] not to reveal her existence because it could divide the Fleet. There is likely an order to all under Adama's command not to discuss the existence of the second Valerii outside of military circles, although it would not likely stop them from discussing the matter amongst themselves.
**A later episode reveals that [[Sacrifice|the secret does get out]] and causes a [[Sesha Abinell|terrorist cell to appear]] in the Fleet.
*Is [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] attracted to Apollo (or vice versa)? Dualla seemed to "check out" Apollo's "backside" in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", and now she's in close physical contact with him ([[The Captain's Hand|Answer]]).
*Helo gets angry at Chief Tyrol for calling Boomer a [[toaster]]; is this a sign that Helo is thinking more sympathetically towards the Cylons than before? Like the Cylons, does he consider it an "offensive racial epithet"?
* Where did Helo get the idea to use carbon-composite on the Blackbird? Is that something he thought up himself, or perhaps did Caprica-Valerii 'point' him in that direction?
**There is nothing to indicate that Caprica-Valerii influenced his decision for this. As a pilot trained in electronic countermeasures per his duties as an [[ECO]], it is logical that Helo would be a type of person trained to know about materials that jam or impede electronics or [[DRADIS]], and so would think differently about the fighter's components.
*Is order on ''Galactica'' starting to break down? In the [[Miniseries]], Starbuck was put in the [[brig]] for striking a superior officer. Now, Starbuck assaults Racetrack but there was no visible punishment, and Tyrol gets into a fight with Helo (who outranks him), also with no apparent punishment. The deck crews aren't bothering to hide the [[Wikipedia:Moonshine|still]] they built as much as before, going to far as to have a large "Welcome Back Cally" party with its products in public. Col. Tigh makes a halfhearted verbal chastisement of Tyrol when Tigh finds the still, but doesn't do anything about it and ends up taking a jar of booze for his own use. Also, even Lt. Gaeta is now snapping back at the command officers, shouting and even [[frak|cursing]].
**Commander Adama notes the change himself in the events of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]."
*Was the software code Helo showed to Caprica-Valerii only a virus or did it contain instructions outside the scope of destabilizing and controlling ''Galactica's'' systems? Valerii's response to the code seemed to indicate it had affected her on some level. Perhaps she was merely compiling it in her head.
*If the Cylons are so interested and cautious about protecting Caprica-Valerii and her unborn child as stated by [[Aaron Doral]] in "[[Final Cut]]", why then are they willing to launch a massive assault against ''Galactica?''
*To what extent is Cylon knowledge & experiences shared? We know that [[Cylon agent]]s can transfer their consciousness to other copies of themselves ([[Miniseries]]), but are other Cylon models (such as the drones) interconnected? Is there some 'collective consciousness' at work (similar to the 'Borg' in Star Trek)?
**Caprica-Valerii seemed to imply in "[[Home, Part I]]" that she wasn't involuntarily in constant communication with the other Cylons through some sort of wireless communication net.
**Given how Caprica-Valerii is knowledgeable of many memories of "Boomer" Valerii, there is obviously some sort of collective ''knowledgebase'' that is apparently shared within a model family, if not the whole Cylon agent population. However, this knowledge is not a collective consciousness: [[Ron D. Moore]] has stated in interviews that Cylons are not a [[Wikipedia:The Borg|Borg-like]] group consciousness. This point is confirmed in the episode, "[[Downloaded]]," as well as expressed by [[Number Eight]] copies in the episodes "[[Scattered]]," "[[The Farm]]," and "[[Home, Part I]]."

== Analysis ==
* While Cylon agents appear human to the cellular level, Caprica-Valerii could control a fiber-optic connection inserted into her forearm. This suggests that the biological design of Cylon agents uses light-sensitive cells disguised as regular cells in their forearms as data access nodes. Based on Valerii's extreme discomfort in having to cut herself to interface with the data line in this way, it could be presumed that this is not a typical practice for Cylon agents.
* Tyrol's comment to Lee Adama on the lack of miracles, and his answer to the problem, may remind some of another [[Wikipedia:Montgomery Scott|great miracle worker]] of television science fiction.
* Despite Valerii's belief that she has become a "liability" to the Cylons, the previous episode made it clear that at least some Cylons considered the survival of her baby a paramount concern. The virus, installed before her arrival, was probably oblivious to this, but the massive fleet the Cylons deployed to interdict ''Galactica'' could not have been. Additionally, an earnest attack would almost certainly have included a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]. We must therefore assume that the Cylons had a more complicated motive in making such a massive material sacrifice.
** It was likely (as shown later through the events of "[[Downloaded]]" to "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") they there are indeed different Cylon [[Caprica-Six|factions]] working at cross purposes.
* Our heroes passed up a major opportunity by destroying the Cylon fleet. Adama revoked Roslin's presidency on the basis of the misappropriation of a SINGLE captured Cylon Raider, yet they eliminated dozens of crippled-but-serviceable assets in the name of retribution. After all that work to create a single new fighter, wouldn't a squadron of superior Raiders be worth maintaining in the unused starboard flight pod?
**A point against the idea of capturing a Raider involves the lucky manner in obtaining the first one. The Raider in "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" was brain-dead from a lucky shot. The Raiders here were turned off by a virus, but it may have been too difficult to remove all of their control mechanisms. Since these are in fact organic mechanisms that could still be fighting to survive, they may have their own ability of causing additional harm if captured alive.
**''Galactica'' had no idea how long until Cylon reinforcements could appear. Further, the civilian fleet had jumped away from ''Galactica'' in anticipation of the attack, and ''Galactica'' probably didn't want to leave them unattended too long. There wasn't enough time and it was too dangerous.
**At this point, ''Galactica'' has as many as two Heavy Raiders already—the one that crash-landed into the starboard pod in "[[Scattered]]" and the one Starbuck, Helo, and Sharon returned with in "[[Home, Part II]]." The use of the [[FTL]] drive from one of these ships is mentioned by Lt. Gaeta as part of the planning of the [[Caprica Resistance]] [[SAR]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]." Another factor would be the potentially still active Cylon Centurions, probably not affected by the virus transmitted by Sharon.
*As noted below, Helo is now assigned as a Viper pilot. While Helo's specialty to date as as an [[ECO]], it is very likely that ''any'' Colonial officer who wears a [[flight suit]] is also a qualified (if not highly experienced) [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] ''and'' [[Raptor]] pilot. This appears confirmed through the actions of many characters. Commander Adama is seen himself flying a Raptor in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]." [[Racetrack]] is seen on [[ECO]] duty in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" but later is Raptor pilot in several episodes.
*It was Helo that suggested the use of carbon composites for the Blackbird, and Starbuck says "Good call, Helo" after it is finished. Despite everything, Helo's opinions are still respected, perhaps symbolic of his redemption in the eyes of his crewmates.

*Some viewers may express confusion over the amount of time necessary to build the new fighter as well as the time it took to fight off the logic bomb and the Cylon attack. All in all, the whole episode may seem like a series of ''[[Wikipedia:Deus ex machina |deus ex machina]]'' events to close up the episode. For more analysis on these events, see this [[Science in the Re-imagined_Series#Construction of the Blackbird |section]] of the article [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]].
**In his podcast for this episode, [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron D. Moore]] acknowledges the build-time dilemma for the Blackbird, and notes that the vagueness of time elapsed to build the machine was intentional so as to allow it to be built and done with in one episode, instead of drawing out the building into two or three episodes.

== Notes ==

* Population count is 47,853. This is the first time this season that there has been no net change in the count from the previous episode ([[Final Cut]]).
* ''[[Wikipedia:Flight of the Phoenix|Flight of the Phoenix]]'' is the title of a 1964 novel where survivors from a plane crash in the middle of a desert attempt to rebuild the plane from the wreckage. Two movies, one made in 1965 and the other in 2004, were also made following a similar story line inspired by the book.
* The [[Wikipedia:Phoenix (mythology)|phoenix]] is an animal from Egyptian mythology (and those derived) that, at the end of its lifespan, burns into ashes from which another arises.
* The [[Blackbird]], a new stealth fighter craft, has been constructed by Chief Tyrol with help from the crew.
* There is a wide shot when apparently ''all'' of ''Galactica's'' Vipers are deployed where it's possible to count how many they have: there are 42 Vipers visible onscreen. Oddly, the current count says that there should be no more than 34, and even with [[Joe Palladino]] (unrealistically) on parole after [[Final Cut]] and Helo in a Viper, ''Galactica'' shouldn't be able to muster more than 25 pilots.
** There are at least 7 Viper Mk. VII's visible in this shot. This agrees well with the events of "[[Scattered]]."
* This is the first episode without an appearance by [[Number Six]].
** She appears in a brief scene in CIC which was ultimately deleted; it is available on the Season 2.0 DVD set and on Scifi.com.
* When Chief Tyrol reconciles with Cally (regarding her killing of Boomer), she reaches into a Viper and fixes something he couldn't reach, and he responds "Nice to be small, huh?" This is reminiscent of the scene at the end of the [[Miniseries]], when they have almost the exact same exchange. In that scene, they were reconciling after ''Cally'' got angry that Tyrol was having a relationship with "Boomer" Valerii.
* President Roslin returns the book "[[Dark Day]]" to Commander Adama, which he gave to her back in the second episode, "[[Water]]."
* Chief Tyrol and Boomer were planning to leave the military together and get married before the Cylon attack.
*This is the first episode of the Re-imagined Series that does not involve any characters appearing on a planet. There are only nine such episodes in the entire series. Further, "Flight of the Phoenix" is the first episode whose story is contained entirely on ''Galactica'' (or its Vipers) and doesn't even visit another ship in the civilian Fleet, such as ''[[Colonial One]]''. "[[Scar]]" is the only other episode with a story contained entirely on ''Galactica'' like this.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''On the flight deck:''
:'''Apollo:''' Nobody's expecting a miracle.
:'''Tyrol:''' Maybe that's the problem.

*''Discussing Helo's return to ''Galactica'':''
:'''Duck:''' So he's the Cylon lover.
:'''Starbuck:''' You know what? I don't care who or what he fraks. He saved my ass down there, all right?
:'''Duck:''' How could anyone fall in love with a toaster, though?
:'''Starbuck:''' Same way I hear everyone was high-fiving our Sharon right before she put two in Adama's chest. The bastards frak with your head.
:'''Hotdog:''' Yeah. Just ask the Chief.

*''Card game in the Viper pilot's lockeroom:''
:'''Racetrack:''' Been playing with these cards for so long, I know every fold.
:'''Starbuck:''' So life's a bitch. What do you want to do, cry about it?
:'''Racetrack:''' No, I just want it to end, okay? The bad food, the endless rotations, pretending that a card game is the high point of our day.
:'''Starbuck:''' It's not going to last forever, all right? Earth is out there.
:'''Racetrack:''' Right. We could all be chasing our tails over some half-assed planetarium show.
:'''Starbuck:''' And you guys can all go to hell. I'm going to go find Helo.
:'''Racetrack:''' Good idea. Maybe that Cylon whore taught him a few tricks.
:(Starbuck politely turns around, walks over to Racetrack and grabs her by the neck and slams her head into the card table).

*''Helo is sitting in Sharon's old Raptor when the Chief walks up:''
:'''Helo:''' Hey! Look, Chief. I never intended for Sharon and I to-- You know, it just kind of evolved.
:'''Tyrol:''' Just a couple lovesick kids, huh?
:'''Helo:''' I know how she felt about you, okay? She loves you.
:'''Tyrol:''' Did she fill you in on the rest of the plan? She and I were going to muster out at the end of our service. You know, then we would get married. Maybe we would have children. I guess I'm just a big frakkin' idiot, though, huh? Probably that goddamn [[Toaster]]'s plan all along.
:'''Helo:''' Don't call her that.
:'''Tyrol:''' Sucker some moron into giving her a kid. Hey, you know, but you know what? I should probably be grateful to you. Probably be grateful. You know why? Because that freak in her belly could have been mine! (Helo and Tyrol fight)

*''Lt. Gaeta is starting to lose his composure under constant pressure:''
:'''Gaeta:''' Sir, I'm running every diagnostic we've got. Checking each line of code could take days.
:'''Tigh:''' I am not interested in excuses. Fix it!
:'''Gaeta:''' (shouting) It's not an excuse, sir. It's a frakking fact!

*''Speaking to Tigh:''
:'''Commander Adama:''' Months on the run, and what do we have to show for it? Casualties. Deteriorating conditions. This crew needs a rest. It's finally hitting them, that's all. Our old lives are gone. The only thing we have to look forward to is this.

*''Tigh walks into the tool closet on the hanger deck''
:'''Tigh:''' What's this, Chief?
:'''Tyrol:''' I'm making solvent, sir, to clean machine parts.
:'''Tigh:''' Solvent my ass. I know a still when I smell it.

*''Starbuck is taking the [[Blackbird]] on its first test flight while Apollo follows:''
:'''Apollo:''' Starbuck, Starbuck, where are you? Starbuck, come in. Starbuck, do you read? Kara, are you okay?
:'''Starbuck:''' (Starbuck turns the lights of the Blackbird on; she's actually got her ship feet away from Apollo's, facing it) Of course you lost contact. It's a damned stealth ship, remember?

*''At the unveiling of '''[[Laura]]''':''
:'''Roslin:''' Oh, you're much too modest. After what we've been through, it would be very easy to give up, to lose hope. But not here. Not today. This is more than a ship, Chief. This is an act of faith. It is proof that despite all we've lost, we keep trying. And we will get through this, all of us, together. I promise.

== Official Statements ==

*In an [http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/bg_outdoc0050.htm interview with BattlestarGalactica.com on December 28th, 2005] RDM was asked about the continuity problems noticed with the number of Vipers deployed in this episode:

: "Q: In the battle scene with the Cylons in "Flight of the Phoenix", some think they see more Vipers than pilots, there is the presence of many Mark 7 Vipers, and the Blackbird is in flight before its maiden voyage. Was this effects shot the victim of a script change or something in the editing room? Was the episode originally intended to appear after the Pegasus encounter?

: RDM: To be honest, I don't recall the exact number of Vipers in the shot or where we were in the continuity at that point. I do recall the topic coming up in various VFX and production meetings, and I think there was at least an initial rationale for the number on screen -- but it's entirely possible that we cheated a bit in Post in order to make the shot a little sexier. Sorry. It happens."

* In issue #348 of ''Starlog'' magazine, p. 32, Nicki Clyne (Cally) said:

:"It was an honor that the writers let Cally shoot Sharon; that was a big moment in the show...but then Cally is locked away in a jail cell, and that was pretty boring. When she gets out, everyone gives Cally an anti-climactic little party and she goes back to work. That's one of the funny patterns about my character: She has all of these crazy, intense, traumatic experiences, and then in the next episode, you'll see her back on the ship, turning a screw. There's a lot going on, obviously, that you ''don't'' see, and as actors, we do our best to fill in those blanks. But yes, essentially, after whatever horrible things happen to Cally, in the end, she just goes back to work!"

== Guest stars ==
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as Specialist [[Jammer]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendant "Hot Dog" Constanza]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0356501/ Jen Halley] as [[Seelix]]
*[http://imdb.com/name/nm0856351/ Christian Tessier] as [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]]
*Don Thompson as [[Anthony Figurski]]

== External Links ==
[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/209/ "Flight of the Phoenix"] at scifi.com

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Talk:Exodus, Part I/Archive 1

2006-10-19T19:16:10Z

Volostheguardian:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/01/index.htm
Click on this link and scroll down to see scenes from the Exodus episodes. My favorite is the last one at the bottom which shows Zarek and Roslin plsticuffed together. Hopefully they'll start to get along soon. --ltcrashdown October 3rd, 2006

== Jammer's future ==
The blurp in the notes section "According to Ronald Moore's podcast, in earlier drafts Jammer was going to die during the shootout at the execution site. However, he decided that the character would be used in later episodes of the season." I was thinking maybe this should be blocked in a spoiler warning box so you have to highlight it to see it because it hints to future events. I'm not sure though. Opinions?--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 16:17, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
: I agree. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:36, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent edits and removals ==

I went through the questions, rephrasing any that were written like a conversation in the article, concising and truncating the rest. Here are particularly notable changes.

#As Ron Moore answered the question of the side-effects of repeated downloads by Cylons, further questions on this aren't needed.
#There are many copies of [[Leoben Conoy]]. While the copy with Kara Thrace is very likely the consciousness seen in "[[Flesh and Bone]]," we can only assume that the side-effects of repeated downloads occurs over many, many times. It is also possible (but unsourced) that ALL Leobens have the common objective to "court" Thrace. Because the question about Leoben's stability after downloads was ambiguous, I removed it.
#We cannot really speculate the WHAT the connection is to Number Three-the-dreamer and to [[Selloi]] and the Lords of Kobol, only that there certainly IS some kind of connection as evidenced by Selloi's comments to her, right down to her relaying of the message from the Kobollian gods to Three's God.
#Cottle is not an Earth physician. While it is likely that the Colonials have had a counterpart to the Hippocratic Oath, the phrase "do no harm" isn't relevant to this universe, so I adjusted it to a more generic wording.

Don't take my adjustments as the last word. If there are further questions based on aired information, do contribute again.

--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:23, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

*Regarding your point 1, RDM didn't go into great detail into the nature of the side-effects. It is a worthy question line because some people may want to know more than "there may be adverse consequences to repeated downloads" (Not an exact quote, just general) and the line of questioning is fruitful. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 15:36, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

== Captain Kelly ==

I already thought I was hallucinating ;) I thought it was Kelly, but didn't really think that they'd go to the trouble of getting the actor back for such a tiny reaction shot. Good to know that someone else saw it too. 
It also makes sense that they'd put such a relatively high-ranking officer on bridge duty when he isn't working as LSO --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:18, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

== Gunnery Sgt Mathias ==

Having watched the ep a few times, I've got a few thoughts regarding [[Mathias|Gunny Mathias]].

1. First off, is she one of ''Pegasus''' onboard company? She doesn't look familiar to ''Galactica'', and [[Hadrian]]'s reputedly the seniormost Marine onboard the latter ship. My guess is the former rather than the latter, but it's never stated.

2. This one ties into 1: considering the above, why is she so (relatively) friendly with Sharon? There might be some leeway if she stood Brig duty and got to know Sharon, but then that would prove contrary to the Hadrian issue, not to mention that it's highly unlikely someone as senior as a Gunnery Sgt would be standing brig duty. OTOH, if she's a Marine from ''Pegasus'', she obviously should have a marked level of disgust about taking orders from a "skinjob". Granted, military professionalism and bearing might play a role in overriding that disgust, but Sharon's nature as a Cylon can't be denied, regardless of what side she's on. Additionally, she may have been posted to brig watch while Sharon was in ''Pegasus''' brig, but again, there's the rank vs. watchstanding issue.

Just a few thoughts on this one. I'm strongly tempted to pose this question on the front, but it seems to me more of a gaffe or error of omission that RDM & co. made rather than something deliberate.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 00:02, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:Mitsukai, you are better off posing these rather intelligent questions to Bradley Thompson on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques]] page. He is always very generous in answering very technical questions like this. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:23, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks. Took the questions there.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 00:31, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Son? ==

When Dualla and Helo were talking to each other when the operation was prepping up Dualla said, "Take care of the Admiral for me," which Helo responded with, "Take care of our ____" I swear to all the gods, that I thought she said son. Did anyone else hear that?

Pegasus (episode)

2006-09-10T01:55:23Z

Volostheguardian: /* Questions */

: ''For information related the [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''Pegasus'' itself, see ''[[Pegasus (RDM)]]''. For information about the extended cut of this episode see [[Pegasus (Extended Version)]].''
{{Episode Data
| image = caingalact.jpg
| title=Pegasus
| series=
| season=2
| episode=10
| guests=[[Michelle Forbes]] as Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]]
| writer=[[Anne Cofell Saunders]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=210 '''(Season 2.0 Cliffhanger)'''
| rating= 2.0
| US airdate=2005-12-23
| UK airdate=2006-03-14
| dvd= {{Season 2.0 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US''' {{Season 2 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| population=49,605
| prev=[[Flight of the Phoenix]]
| next=[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]
| podcast=Y
}}

== Overview ==

:''[[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] happily discovers that the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' has survived the destruction of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]], only to have [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] take command of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and enforce her own hardcore military doctrine on the Fleet.''

== Summary ==
*''Pegasus'', a [[Mercury class battlestar]], has joined the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. She survived the attack by [[blind-jump]]ing as the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] attacked the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]].
* A large Cylon fleet of two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s, approximately one dozen support ships and an [[Unknown Cylon Ship]] have been trailing the Fleet. ''Pegasus'' detected this fleet, which turn led them to find ''Galactica''.
*''Pegasus'' discovered this Cylon Fleet and has been carrying out hit-and-run attacks against the Cylons. At first the Cylon fleet's course seemed to be random, until Cain realized they were going to systems with natural resources.
* After looking over ''Galactica's'' logs, Cain surmises that the Cylon fleet was following ''Galactica'' (which itself was Jumping to systems with natural resources for the Fleet).
* Upon assuming command of the Fleet, Cain moves crew members around, citing discipline concerns, transferring [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to ''Pegasus''.
* President [[Laura Roslin]] has concerns about why Cain ignores her requests to talk and, more importantly, why ''Pegasus'' is only resupplying ''Galactica's'' military stores and ignoring the Fleet's needs.
* Tyrol welcomes his counterpart from ''Pegasus''. [[Peter Laird]] is a civilian aeronautical engineer-turned Deck Chief who designed the [[DDG-62|old engines]] in the [[Blackbird]]. Laird is both appalled and impressed by Tyrol's new stealth fighter.
* Captain Adama is essentially busted down to [[Raptor]] pilot in a recon mission to the Cylon fleet. He shows his defiant side by asking Starbuck (who is pulled off the recon mission herself for insubordination) to commandeer the [[Blackbird]] for better recon photos of the Cylon fleet, all without being noticed by Colonial ''or'' Cylon forces.
* [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] discover that [[Gina]], the Cylon prisoner aboard ''Pegasus'', was raped by the crew as a form of torture. They rush to ''Galactica'''s brig, where a ''Pegasus'' lieutenant, [[Alistair Thorne]], is about to rape the Caprica copy of [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Tyrol throws Thorne against a bulkhead, accidentally killing him. The pair are arrested and taken to ''Pegasus''. [[image:pegasus02.jpg|left|thumb|Battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''.]]
*Commander Adama is angered at Admiral Cain's convening of courts-martial for the men on ''Pegasus'', not ''Galactica'' where the offense occurred. Admiral Cain refuses to return the prisoners and balks at the thought of an independent tribunal to settle the dispute. Using Adama's logs against him once more, she notes that the [[Litmus|last time ''Galactica'' held a tribunal]], Commander Adama dissolved the tribunal when he "didn't like the verdict."
*Admiral Cain rapidly decides the verdict by herself hours later and orders Helo and Tyrol to be executed.
*Upon discovering what Admiral Cain's hasty execution order, Commander Adama orders a Raptor to fly out with an armed [[Marine]] boarding party, and launches ''Galactica's'' Vipers against ''Pegasus'', demanding that Admiral Cain release [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Galen Tyrol]].
*Admiral Cain launches ''Pegasus''' Vipers against the incoming Vipers from ''Galactica''. They close in on each other as the episode ends.

== Questions ==

*Will Starbuck and her [[Blackbird]] stealth fighter play a role in the armed standoff between ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica''? ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I|Answer]])
*Where did the ''Pegasus'' crew get fresh fruit?
**Dualla explains in "[[Final Cut]]" that their ships have very effective refrigeration units to keep food fresh for long duration duty tours, etc.
*If a ship like Galactica needs constant fueling and supplies on a daily basis, how has the Pegasus been operating this long without these necessities, not withstanding the ships needed to facilitate this.
*In the absence of Apollo and Starbuck, who is leading ''Galactica's'' fighters against ''Pegasus''? [[George Birch]]? [[Simes]]?
**Answer: [[Louanne Katraine]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
*What is the function of the unknown Cylon ship? ([[Resurrection Ship|Answer]])
*Roslin is commander-in-chief of the Colonial fleet. Could she be the one to order Cain to stand down by citing regulations to Roslin's benefit in the same way that Cain has done against Adama? Roslin could also order another member of ''Pegasus'' to assume command to enforce this. At the same time, Roslin's never been the type to use force, and may use other means to keep this event from turning into a bloodbath.
**In the end, Roslin is able to mediate a state of truce between the commanders while they work to destroy the Cylon fleet. She does meet privately with Commander Adama to warn him that Cain is a threat in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]."
*Does the Blackbird have FTL?
**Answer: Yes. We see the Blackbird jump in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]".
* Are the Vipers going on the recon mission? If not, why is it a blow to Apollo's honor for him to be piloting a Raptor? And how are the Vipers supposed to get there if they have to jump to the moon?
* How did Cain and her crew discover the existence of humanoid Cylon models?
** Their biggest hint was probably when Gina killed several crew members.

== Analysis ==
*[[Cally]]'s charged reaction to the drunken Pegasus crewmen ''bragging'' about raping Number Six/Gina repeatedly is probably due to herself being the survivor of an attempted rape, in "[[Bastille Day]]". This disgust with the ''Pegasus'' crew's gang-rape of Gina is interesting in light of the fact that Cally had no compunctions about killing the ''Galactica'' copy of Valerii. Evidently she now acknowledges the Cylons' humanity in at least some measure. Perhaps she's felt a connection between this and her own assault on board ''[[Astral Queen]]'' by [[Mason]] in "[[Bastille Day]]".
**It's also possible that, since her fellow female deck crew also look disgusted and follow her out, women just don't appreciate talk about rape in general. RDM says something to this effect [[Podcast:Pegasus#Act 3|in the podcast]].
*It is also interesting on a dramatic level how the portrayal of Cally's killing Galactica-Valerii in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]" contrasts with the portrayal of the brutalized Gina and the attempted rape of Caprica-Valerii. It was less shocking to many to watch Boomer being shot to death than it was to watch Caprica-Valerii being pinned down over her bunk and almost raped—possibly because, while killing a Valerii copy is an understandable act of revenge, raping one would be a senseless act of cruelty.
*Talking amongst themselves on Cylon-occupied Caprica, the Cylons mentioned in passing that there was a main Cylon fleet in "[[Final Cut]]".
*In the [[Miniseries]], Adama first proposes that ''Galactica'' will go about independent of the rest of the fleet and fight the Cylons. Roslin persuades him to instead protect and lead the fleet on their escape from the colonies. The ''Pegasus'', in contrast, ''did'' travel about independently attacking the Cylons. The condition of the ''Pegasus'''s crew may be an indication of what would have happened to ''Galactica'' if she stood and fought.
*In contrast to ''Galactica'''s nearly evenly gender-divided crew, the crew of the ''Pegasus'' seems predominantly male to a very high degree. Admiral Cain was the only female aboard ''Pegasus'' with a speaking role, with only a couple other females visible in the hallways or in the ''Pegasus'' ready room. This stands in notable contrast to Ron Moore's egalitarian vision of gender issues in the military, and appears to have been an intentional decision made during production. In addition, the dialogue of the drunken ''Pegasus'' crewmen suggests they've perhaps forgotten how to act around women— they either ignore or fail to understand Cally and Selix's disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina. This may be a contributing factor to the behavior of the ''Pegasus'' crew—the relative paucity of women aboard ''Pegasus'' and the resulting sexual frustration could have led to the overly regimented, authoritarian, and brutal culture the crew developed, culminating in the senseless, repeated gang rape of the Cylon prisoner [[Gina]].
*Not simply relying on her rank, Admiral Cain asserts her dominance in more subtle ways as soon as she sets foot on ''Galactica''. Despite the fact that she's bringing one ship to join dozens, she welcomes ''Galactica'' back to the Colonial Fleet, thus defining the Fleet as wherever she is. Later she tells Roslin 'You look like I just shot your dog' when she asserts her authority over Adama. Both of these acts give some show of being welcoming or friendly, but also claim her spot at the top of the food chain.
**Although ''Pegasus'' is only one ship, it's only one of two battlestars in the fleet. Being a [[Mercury class battlestar]], it is also more advanced than ''Galactica'', which was scheduled to be decommissioned. As such, the older battlestar hasn't the resources that ''Pegasus'' does. Although Cain's statement obviously shows her enlarged ego, it rings true purely from the standpoint of military prowess.
**Cain is also the higher ranking officer—with the rest of Colonial Fleet destroyed, command naturally fell to her, not Adama, despite her absence from the remainder of the fleet. So by military regulation her statement also rings true.
*[[Peter Laird|Laird]], ''Pegasus' '' deck chief, refers to events since "the war happened". Admiral Cain and her ''Pegasus'' crew seem to still consider fighting against the Cylons to be a war, while in the [[Miniseries]] Commander Adama admitted that "the war is over, we lost".
**Laird is still on ''Galactica'' during the period immediately leading up to the assault on Caprica-Valerii. As the deck chief of the ''Pegasus'' wouldn't his presence be required on his own ship or has he, like Apollo and Starbuck, been reassigned?
***According to [[Podcast:Pegasus#Act 3|the podcast]] in a scene deleted for time, Laird is reassigned as deck chief of ''Galactica'' over Tyrol. Of course, that raises the question of who is now performing deck chief duty on Pegasus.
*Visual effects gaffe: When we cut to ''Galactica's'' exterior as Adama makes his way to the bridge, it is behind and slightly above and to the left of ''Pegasus''. When we see it again a few minutes later as it launches Vipers towards ''Galactica'', it's quite a distance away from the fleet, above it and facing its left side. Both ships may have just quickly moved into attack position while Adama was on the phone with Cain.
*Thrace's criticism of Taylor's reconaissance plan - that the Cylons would never leave such an obvious blind spot unaccounted for - is the same criticism she made of Tigh's initial assault plan in [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]].

== Notes ==
* This episode has been nominated for the [[Awards and Honors|2006 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form]]
*Population count is 49,605, a dramatic increase of 1,752 since the 47,853 count in "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]", undoubtedly to account for the addition of Battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and her crew to the Colonial fleet.
**Cain notes that Pegasus lost 700 crew in the opening attack. Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne|Thorne]] also tells [[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]] that Gina killed 7 of his men. Also, Colonel [[Jack Fisk]] tells Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] that Cain executed the previous XO for failure to attack a Cylon staging area. Thus we may speculate that at the time of the attack her crew totaled to 2,460, give or take a few.
***This number does not take into account any casualties that may have occurred because of the attack on the Cylon staging area, or any subsequent encounters with the Cylons.
***Given the relative ease that Cain had with removing disloyal officers -- according to Colonel Fisk, her XO had served with her for many years prior to his execution by Cain -- there may be additional officers she had swiftly court martialed (ref: Tyrol and Agathon) and executed as well. Given Cain's megalomaniac streak, it is also possible that some of the civilians she'd rescued from the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards may have met unfortunate "mishaps" as well.
**This is substantially smaller than ''[[Galactica]]'''s crew, possibly explained by many of Cain's crew being on leave at the time of the attack. ''Galactica'', although soon to be decommissioned, was still fully operational. Also, Pegasus's systems are newer, and may be more automated.
**Also, as [[Peter Laird|Laird]] indicates, many civilians were pressed into service. So the number of actual pre-Holocaust ''Pegasus'' crew members may be far less than indicated above.
*[[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] flies wingman to [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] in the opening sequence of this episode, as the [[CAP]] scouts ''Pegasus''. Evidently she's been judged fit to resume flight status after negligently damaging a Viper due to overuse of [[Stims]] in "[[Final Cut]]".
* As the episode ends, it's interesting to see that the bulk of ''[[Galactica]]'s'' Viper fleet consist of the Mark II's, while ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' had the Mark VII's. A classic picture of "old vs. new".
**While ''Pegasus'' seems to have entirely Viper Mk. VII's, they would presumably have had to removed most of the automated systems from them (to prevent Cylon virus infiltration). Doing this makes them more difficult to fly (''Galactica's'' few Mk. VII's are only used by the most capable pilots now). ''Pegasus' '' pilots might have more advanced fighters but they aren't as reliable now as the tried-and-true Mk. II's.
* [[Helena Cain]] is the female version of [[Cain (TOS)|Cain]], who was portrayed by the late [[Lloyd Bridges]] in the original ''[[Battlestar Galactica (1978)|Battlestar Galactica]]''.
* This episode is inspired by the two part episode, "[[The Living Legend, Part I (TOS)|The Living Legend]]".
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] also wrote another episode called [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/The_Pegasus The Pegasus], in the seventh season of ''Star Trek: The Next Generation''.
* During the premiere airing of this episode on the Sci-Fi Channel, when the episode came back from commercial at the start of Act 3 a "Viewer Discretion Is Advised" black and white message was inserted, warning of "mature subject matter" and content. The following final act of the episode shows drunken ''Pegasus'' crewmen bragging about raping the Cylon agent known as Gina, then the scene where Lt.Thorne attempts to rape Caprica-Sharon and Tyrol and Agathon intervene and fight the marine guards appears.
* ''Pegasus'' crew wear a silver version of the colonial patch on their uniforms instead of the gold version used by ''Galactica'' and the colonial government.
**Apollo and Starbuck do not switch to this version after their transfer to ''Pegasus'', in this or subsequent episodes.
*Baltar makes an etiquette flub, referring to Admiral Cain as "Commander"; she promptly corrects him "Admiral!" and he appologizes. This might be a little in-joke that in the Original Series, Cain was a Commander, and did not outrank Adama.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*'''Baltar''' (to Gina): The food is yours. It's not a trick. I'm not going to take it away at the last second. You know, I...um...I'm just gonna talk right now. I don't expect you to say anything. Back on Caprica, before the attack—and sometimes I forget there was a world before the attack—I knew someone…a woman, unlike any other woman I'd ever known. She was unique. Beautiful, clever, intensely sensual. When she wasn't in my bed, she was in my thoughts. She was a Cylon. And she changed my life in a very real, very fundamental way in that I have quite literally never stopped thinking about her, because I love her. To this very day, I love her. And she looks exactly like you. My name is Gaius Baltar, and I'm here to help you.

* ''Cain and Adama are discussing Helo and Tyrol's court-martial over [[wireless]]''
:'''Adama''': You told me they'd get a fair trial. What kind of a trial could they have possibly had?
:'''Cain''': I assure you I heard them out. I weighed their statements against those of the guards and I took into consideration their service records and commendations. It was a difficult decision, Commander, but I dare say it was a fair one.
:'''Adama''': They have the right to have their case heard by a jury.
:'''Cain''': I am a flag officer on detached service during a time of war. Regulations give me broad authority in this matter.
:'''Adama''' (to Tigh): Launch the fighters. (to Cain): You can quote me whatever regulation you'd like. I'm not going to let you execute my men.
:'''Cain''': I highly suggest you reconsider that statement, Commander.
:'''Fisk''': Admiral, ''Galactica'' is launching Vipers and a Raptor.
:'''Cain''': Commander, why are you launching Vipers?
:'''Adama''': Please arrange for Chief Tyrol and Lieutenant Agathon to be handed over to my marines as soon as they arrive.
:'''Cain''': I don't take orders from you!
:'''Adama''': Call it whatever you like. I'm getting my men.
:'''Cain''': You are making such a mistake.
:'''Adama''': I'm getting my men.

== Official Statements ==
*Ron D. Moore stated in his podcast that there were a number of scenes filmed for this episode that had to be deleted for time, but that he expects to be edited back into the episode for the DVD release. According to Moore, although most episode rough cuts run a little overtime and one or two scenes have to be edited out, "Pegasus" had more than a full extra Act worth of material left over. The full episode would have been an hour and 15 minutes long. Moore tried to put in more scenes to push it to 90 minutes, in which case Scifi Channel would air it as a 90 minute special (as they had done in the past for "Stargate Sg-1" on occasion), but ultimately not enough material could be included in "Pegasus" to make it 90 minutes long without detracting from story quality; they were left with an episode that was too short to be a 90 minute special, but also too long to include all filmed scenes in a one hour episode. Deleted scenes, which Moore says will be restored in the DVD released version ("[[Pegasus (Extended Version)]]"), include:
**A scene when Adama, Tigh, and Roslin are heading to the flight deck to meet Admiral Cain when she first arrives on the ship, and while they're walking Adama and Tigh give Roslin a brief biography of Cain; who she is, that she was an up and coming officer promoted to Admiral over several other possible choices, etc.
**An extension to Admiral Cain's meeting with Adama and Roslin in Adama's quarters, in which she explains that ''Pegasus'' survived Cylon computer virus infiltration through the [[Command Navigation Program]] because ''Pegasus'' was being overhauled at the shipyards, and most of her computers were disconnected.
**An extension to the scene in Cain's quarters on ''Pegasus'' where Adama and Cain discuss how Pegasus is a [[Mercury-class]] battlestar, and the differences between this newer model and ''Galactica''. Cain also explains that she intentionally doesn't have any chairs there so her meetings with her staff will run faster.
**A scene where Admiral Cain asks about ''Galactica's'' Cylon-prisoner, Caprica-Sharon, and goes to the brig to observe her.
***According to an interview with James Callis (Baltar) in issue #197 of TV Zone, "There’s another cut scene where Cain is interviewing Sharon. She hardly says anything but she’s obviously furious that this Cylon has been treated so well. It sickens her, and that’s when Baltar realizes he’s dealing with a psycho."
**According to an interview with James Callis (Baltar) in issue #197 of TV Zone, "In one of [the deleted scenes], Six actually says to Baltar, ‘God, [Cain]’s a real tough nut, isn’t she, Gaius? She’s just your type. You like hard women, don’t you?’ Baltar says, ‘Yeah, I do.’"
*According to RDM's podcast, there was entire subplot alluded to in the episode which was in the original script, but which was excised before it was ever filmed due to time constraints. The fragment that remains is when Roslin complains to Adama that ''Pegasus'' is focusing on re-supplying the Fleet's military assets (re-arming ''Galactica'' and re-supplying ''Pegasus'' from stores in the civililan fleet) while ignoring the needs of the civilian fleet. The subplot would show how Roslin wanted ''Pegasus'' to provide machine parts for repairs to the civilian Fleet, and that after these are repeatedly ignored the civilian fleet ultimately goes "on strike" by refusing to give ''Pegasus'' more [[tylium]] fuel. It would also expand on Cain's refusal to acknowledge Roslin as the President (and therefore her superior as Commander-in-Chief).
*Moore also stated in the podcast that an alternate version of the attempted rape scene with Boomer was also filmed in which the rape was actually underway when Tyrol and Helo intervened. Ultimately, the decision was made to use the version seen where Thorne is stopped just in time, before he is able to rape Boomer. This is an ''alternate'' scene and thus doesn't "really" happen and will ''not'' be re-edited into the Director's Cut.

*Unfortunately, it has been [http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=4712 confirmed] that the "Season 2.0" DVD box set of Battlestar Galactica (containing the first ten episodes of season two) will '''not''' contain the Director's Cut of "Pegasus". Universal Home Video said that they could not ready the extended version of the episode in time for the DVD release. However, it ''will'' now be the first episode in the boxed set of "Season 2.5" (containing episodes 11 through 20 of season 2). So the next DVD set will have 11 episodes in it. The practical application of all of this is that fans have the opportunity to buy ''both'' versions (in his podcast, Moore said he liked the extended cut better because of the great character moments and drama, but that some might feel that the tight, rapid pace of the cut-down episode kept it more thrilling). This was not the case with Universal's previous release of a 90 minute "Stargate SG-1" episode, in which only one version was put into the DVD set.

*In an [http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/bg_outdoc0050.htm interview with BattlestarGalactica.com on December 28th, 2005] RDM was asked about controversy surrounding this episode:

:"Q: Walt Kelly's Pogo used the phrase "the enemy is us" as part of a 1970's anti-litter campaign, and recently David Eick has cited it as a theme in the longer Pegasus arc of the second season. Some of the show's vocal critics charge that this notion promotes a "Blame America" attitude or is a sort of stealth anti-Americanism. What is this concept supposed to convey as we head into the bottom half of the second season?

:RDM: The reference is to the fact that human beings are often their own worst enemy. In the context of the show, it means that the real challenges to who and what these people are often comes not from bullets, but from within. I continue to be amazed at how easily one gets tagged with the moniker of "anti-American" these days by those on the right. It's almost... well, anti-American."

* From [http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/aaron_douglas_01.htm TheSciFiWorld.net's inverview] with [[Aaron Douglas]]:

: '''Gilles Nuytens:''' I read some critics about the "rape" scene shown in the last episode aired, as you played in this scene, what's your opinion on it?
: '''Aaron Douglas:''' BSG is a reflection of real life and these types of events go on everyday. Many people were upset by it but to me they need to realize that this is the world we live in. Does that mean they have or want to watch? Absolutely not but do not discount it as sensationalism. What we shot was so much more graphic than what was aired and I understand why they did not use it. In what aired the rape had not totally begun. It was suggestive. I thought it was a good scene and on point with the story and not added to draw in viewers. That suggestion is absurd. I know Ron Moore very well and he is not the kind of person or writer to add scenes purely for sensationalistic or ratings purposes. They have to be on point, truthfully reflect the situation and today's world and be relevant to the story or they are not there. It also amazes me that people have no problem with beatings, shootings, bombings, stabbings etc. but show a breast, a bottom, or a grope and they fly off the wall to condemn it.

: This happens in all areas of film, television and theatre and it is ridiculous.

* From [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=2674 Hollywood North Report: Battlestar Galactica Set Visit, Part II], article on filming the [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|series finale]] and an interview with [[Mary McDonnell]]:

: '''Robert Falconer:''' Speaking of bleak, you had some pretty strong feelings about how people reacted to that rape scene at the end of Pegasus, and the overall problem of how violence against women tends to be portrayed on television.

: '''[[Mary McDonnell]]''': I have strong feelings about this as a woman; it’s a huge button for me, the issue of violence against women on television and how much of this stuff we’re going to pump out there before it becomes an accepted point of view that that’s what happens to women, and no-one takes responsibility and there’s no consequences.

:But there’s a big difference between crystallizing it inside a genre that doesn’t do it very often; making it part of one story one week, and the mainstream, non-sci-fi television where we become used to seeing women being raped and killed and mutilated—and other horrible things. ''That’s'' the sad thing.

:So for me, the fact that it was so upsetting to people when presented on ''Battlestar Galactica'' is a very good thing. It ''should'' be upsetting. It ''needs'' to be very, very upsetting. One ''should'' watch it and think, “I don’t want to see that!” We shouldn’t be using the fragility or vulnerability of the female body as a “technique” around which to build entertainment.

:I believe if ''Galactica'' were doing that sort of thing all the time, then the show would have a problem. But the way it was portrayed enables people to dialogue and talk about these sorts of things. Fires should be lit. And we should hear. Then you know if you’re in the ballpark of something that is really relevant, or if you’re being exploitive. And I have a lot of respect for the people who got upset as well as the people who wrote it.

* From [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=2363 Hollywood North Report: Battlestar Galactica Set Visit, Part I], which includes an interview with [[Edward James Olmos]]:

: '''Robert Falconer''': By the end of “Pegasus,” Adama makes a decision with potentially sweeping consequences, but one that logically follows from everything that has happened to him up to that point. Is this a decision he will be able to live with as a military leader?

: '''Edward James Olmos''': I think Adama’s decision to attack the ''Pegasus'' could be interpreted as strictly military in nature. You don’t leave anybody behind, and protecting your men is a fundamental tenet of any military leader. In fact, you could argue that he has no consideration for anyone OTHER than his military guys aboard the Pegasus—he’s not thinking about the fleet at that moment, he’s not even thinking about the future of either of those two battlestars, because they’re going to blast each other to bits, since he’s not going to give into Cain’s craziness.

: '''Robert''': The rape scene toward the end of “Pegasus” has stirred up a lot of controversy in certain quarters. Ironically, there seems to be something of a disconnect here; people seem more willing to accept this in contemporary mainstream drama than they do in television science fiction, almost as if they’ve become conditioned to science fiction presenting a sanitized view of the future. Any thoughts on that?

: '''Edward James Olmos''': Well for those who were particularly upset by the scene to which you refer, I pray to god they don’t watch because it’s only going to get worse. They should be warned right now: please turn off your television sets and do not watch this show because it’s only going to provide more insight into the complexities of what happens to human beings. I would say that the minority of people who were freaked out by the rape scene are likely to be jarred into unconsciousness. So I say to them: do not watch this program, it could be hazardous to your health.

: For everyone else, hang on, ‘cause it’s gonna be a helluva ride…

== Guest stars ==
*[[Michelle Forbes]] as Admiral [[Helena Cain]]
*[[imdb:nm0065320|Graham Beckel]] as Colonel [[Jack Fisk]]
*[[imdb:nm0701561|John Pyper-Ferguson]] as Captain [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally]]
*[[imdb:nm0817819|Sebastian Spence]] as [[Whiplash]]
*[[imdb:nm0147661|Fulvio Cecere]] as Lt. [[Alistair Thorne]]
*[[imdb:nm0301925|Vincent Gale]] as Chief [[Peter Laird]]
*[[imdb:nm0217757|Derek Delost]] as Specialist [[Vireem]]
*[[imdb:nm0233304|Mike Dopud]] Specialist [[Gage]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[imdb:nm0429693|Michael Jonsson]] Pegasus Guard #2

== External Links ==
[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/210/ "Pegasus"] at scifi.com

{{episode list (RDM season 2)}}

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category: Episode Guide (RDM)]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Anne Cofell Saunders]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]

Basestar (TRS)

2006-09-03T06:54:38Z

Volostheguardian:

:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders
| img= Y
}}

==Description==
'''Cylon basestars''' (also referred to as "baseships" or "Cylon battlestars") are by far the most prominent example of [[Cylon]] presence.

They easily dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be technologically superior in every way. Basestars appear no visible means of [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight propulsion]], but are equipped with an [[FTL|Jump system]] that is far superior to that of Colonial battlestars. Basestars are capable of releasing hundreds of [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] simultaneously (see Related Imagery).

Beyond this, not much is known about the interior operations or command structure of a basestar. A basestar's size suggests that it has a large crew complement, although there is ample evidence to suggest their operations are largely automated, or that the basestar itself is a Cylon entity similar to the autononous personality of a Raider or even a [[Cylon agent]]. There is no evidence thus far to suggest that a basestar has a central autonomous commander or command hierachy as found on battlestars.

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are done only when Raiders aren't deployed as nuclear blasts are widespread in range and do not differentiate in damage to friend or foe. In one example of such an attack scenario, three Cylon basestars lure and ambush battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and pummel it with several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and changing to non-nuclear missiles in their attack ([[The Captain's Hand]]). This along with the massive amounts of Raiders that a Basestar can unleash suggest a similarity with the [[Wikipedia:Arsenal ship|Arsenal ship]] concept to overwhelm and destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their backdoor in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|Basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
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[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two Basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|Jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|Basestar and ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL Jump after Jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|Jump]]. Following the 239th Jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th Jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
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[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|The Basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racktrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
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[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galacticas''' Vipers on approach to the Basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL Jump. This haphazard Jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to Kobol to recalculate the Jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar Jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant Jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

==Continuity Note==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
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== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
</gallery>

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[[Category:Technology]]

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Basestar (TRS)

2006-09-03T06:49:24Z

Volostheguardian:

:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders
| img= Y
}}

==Description==
'''Cylon basestars''' (also referred to as "baseships" or "Cylon battlestars") are by far the most prominent example of [[Cylon]] presence.

They easily dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be technologically superior in every way. Basestars appear no visible means of [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight propulsion]], but are equipped with an [[FTL|Jump system]] that is far superior to that of Colonial battlestars. Basestars are capable of releasing hundreds of [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] simultaneously (see Related Imagery).

Beyond this, not much is known about the interior operations or command structure of a basestar. A basestar's size suggests that it has a large crew complement, although there is ample evidence to suggest their operations are largely automated, or that the basestar itself is a Cylon entity similar to the autononous personality of a Raider or even a [[Cylon agent]]. There is no evidence thus far to suggest that a basestar has a central autonomous commander or command hierachy as found on battlestars.

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are done only when Raiders aren't deployed as nuclear blasts are widespread in range and do not differentiate in damage to friend or foe. In one example of such an attack scenario, three Cylon basestars lure and ambush battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and pummel it with several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and changing to non-nuclear missiles in their attack ([[The Captain's Hand]]). This along with the massive amounts of Raiders that a Basestar can unleash suggest a similarity with the [[Wikipedia:Arsenal Ship|Arsenal Ship]] concept to overwhelm and destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their backdoor in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|Basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two Basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|Jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|Basestar and ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL Jump after Jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|Jump]]. Following the 239th Jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th Jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|The Basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racktrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galacticas''' Vipers on approach to the Basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL Jump. This haphazard Jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to Kobol to recalculate the Jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar Jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant Jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

==Continuity Note==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
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Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
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User talk:April Arcus

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Volostheguardian:

== Viper Tally ==

On the Viper Tally page, you noted that the Galactica had two squadrons of Mark VIIs, but that shows contrary to what was actually on screen, one squadron of Mark VIIs getting trashed. Can you cite where you got this info from? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 00:24, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

==Zarek Rocks==

Thanks a lot for the advice. I'm still trying to figure out all of the intricacies of this wiki thing. Hopefully I don't look like too much of a newb, lol.

== Viper Ref. Numbers ==

are you going to do a list of the viper numbers since you have done one of the raptors and put them on offensive arment page?

:I'll be happy to, if you can tell me which episodes to look in. I can't remember hearing any Vipers being identified numerically in the series. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:19, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:: Most of the Viper numbers are likely to come from the DRADIS closeups, if anything else. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:25, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

::: you can find a lot of viper reference numbers in the mini series e.g. viper 450 etc

:::: To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure that keeping track of individual vipers is going to be a very interesting endeavor. The raptors are at least countable - there are probably no more than ten - so it makes some sense to keep track of them on an individual basis. As far as the vipers go, it would seem sufficient just to give a simple headcount (currently 35, assuming none were destroyed off-screen in "[[Scattered]]"). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:33, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:::::I've started a few more articles on individual vipers, if the OP is still around/interested. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:40, 13 December 2005 (EST)
I formed a hypothesis and added an interesting pair of links on the [[Viper 2276]] talk page. I'm interested in what you think. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:48, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:Replied over there. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:57, 25 February 2006 (EST)

== RTFF? ==

Hi Peter. Is RTFF an acronym for what I believe it is? If so, please refrain from using it in the edit summaries, if only out of civility. Thanks! :-)

:Rag-Tag Fugitive Fleet. What did you think the second "F" stood for? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:56, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:: Interesting acronym. :-) I was being a bit paranoid there, given that's an acronym for [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp%3Facronym%3DRTFF&ei=6bb-QuXIK4_04QHU2rg8 some other things as well]. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:15, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

== Race and Ethnicity in the Twelve Colonies ==
In your work you state that Gaius Baltar may have an interest only in white women. If you remember, Gaius was caught in bed with an East Asian woman in the miniseries by Number Six. -QuintusCinna

:Good Catch, thank you. Six also intimated that he had some interest in Boomer. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:26, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

==12 Colonies of Kobol Standards==
I know, it sounds a little over eager. I took several zoom in snap shots of the 12 banners both in the mini-series and also in Colonial Day. These are definitely the icons and the colors. Icon was a name used and so far the planet relative to Libra has not been mentioned. This is the only colony I find debatable. Certain colonies may not go with certain standards such as Aquarius or Leonis. I made this with flash in between my summer graduate classes. If you would like to use it, I don't mind- just give me credit. [http://magellannarfe.com/bsgflags.jpg link]

:Wow, these are really excellent. I've been thinking about creating something like this myself, but I'm glad you've beaten me to the punch. What format are the originals in, some kind of vector package?

:I note that in the scene we're discussing, Wenutu and Sanne appear to be over different flags than usual. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:18, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::QuintusCinna = Yes, these are vector based using Flash. I've been having fun building a flash battlestar galactica encyclopedia, but was glad to see you already had this even though my flash stuff was nearly finished. If you pay attention to the flags behind, they are all at random placements and that they are placed differently than that of the miniseries' memorial at the end. I played with the idea that the memorial's flags were in order of when they were nuked while the flags on Cloud Nine were placed in order of their signing the Articles of Colonization. It's purely guess though. Note that in Colonial Day, the Sagittaron flag is at the farthest right while Tom Zarek is somwhere in the middle. This clearly shows to me there is no relation between the flags' placements and the delegates sitting.

:::A few thoughts:
:::If you want these images to be used to their fullest, it would be best to output them as high-resolution anti-aliased PNGs. The wiki software can scale them down for use in individual pages, and we could place them along the right-hand side of the relevant articles.
:::Question 1: Is Libra's colony is really called "Icon"? Where did you see this? I can't remember if Libron or Libris or whatever has been mentioned out loud in the series yet. What's your take?
:::Question 2: I could swear that the symbol on the side of Galactica was also on one of the flags, which I assumed to be Caprica because of the historical association. Was I just making it up?
:::Question 3: In your opinion, do the icons on the colonial flags bear any resemblance to the constellations they replaced (according to [[Home, Part II]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:01, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::QuintusCinna:
::::PNG? I never thought of that. I have them uploaded in gif for the time being. This can always change.
::::Question 1: I have not seen any information telling me there is a colony called Libra as of yet though I have watched each show probably about 7 times (I'm addicted). I'm still waiting. The Tomb of Athena did mention Libra, though. I do know that in the mini-series, Commander Adama or Laura Roslin said something like: "And the following colonies have been destroyed... Picon, Arelon, Sagittaron, Icon..." This isn't an exact quote but the subtitles even showed the word "ICON" which caught me off guard. The statement left an emphatic relation that it was more likely 1 of the 12 colonies instead of a moon like Trevor.
::::Question 2: The symbol on the side of Galactica is the flag for the 12 colonies unless I haven't been paying attention. It's like the US flag for the USA. In the center of the memorial flags at the end of the mini-series shows a black standard with the Phoenix icon in the middle and Battlestar Galactica BSG 75. This suggests to me that this is their symbol.
::::Question 3: I looked at the copy I have twice for Home, Part II and my copy is just way too dark. I would need to see better pictures to help me out because I'm not sure. I assume there would be a connection, especially since I remember Roslin saying Leo's constellation represents the flag of that tribe (which we can assume to be Leonis). Your pictures turn out so clear. I need to figure out how I can do the same.

:::::Excellent work. I think they look great on the colony articles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:38, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::::I don't know the shapes of all 12 Zodiac signs off the top of my head (and maybe we should get some pictures of them in order to display along with these flags for others who want to compare this kind of thing), but Picon (aka Pices) is a couple of fish, usually one over the other, head to tail. I could see that symbol being derived from it. Also, Gemenon would be Gemini, the twins, which are usually depicted by something kind of like this: L7. Additionally, Scorpion looks like the symbol might have a tail with a stinger... Tauron's symbol '''could''' be a bull. Anyway, I think this indicates that at whatever points the flags were revised, the constelation symbols were replaced by a kind of updating or stylization of the original symbol. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:41, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

:You said that Commander Adama in the miniseries said this: "Preliminary reports indicate a thermonuclear device of the 50 megaton range was detonated over Caprica City 30 minutes ago. Nuclear detonations have been reported on the planets Aerelon, Picon, Sagittaron and Gemenon. No reports on casualties, but they will be high."
-That's actually incorrect according to the subtitles. According to the subtitles, the Commander said this: "Preliminary reports indicate a thermonuclear device of the 50 megaton range was detonated over Caprica City 30 minutes ago. Nuclear detonations have been reported on the planets Aerelon, ICON, Sagittaron and Gemenon. No reports on casualties, but they will be high." This is where Icon was shown to be listed. It could be a misspelling on their part, but I think you would find it fascinating. It is in the miniseries at 48:45. --[[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]] 1:29, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

::I haven't got the Miniseries DVD, but I'm certain that what I ''hear'' is "Picon". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:42, 16 October 2005 (EDT)

== Character Data ==

Did you (or someone, I guess) edit the Character Data template such that more fields will be rendered invisible when left blank? If so, neat! However, if it was you, could you add to the documentation on the template's discussion page? If it wasn't you, then sorry and maybe you can help me track down who did? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:43, 8 September 2005 (EDT)

:That was Joe. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:35, 9 September 2005 (EDT)

==Test==

*321
*Test 123? Anything but that!

== Answer on Ellen Tigh Page ==

I've posted my thoughts on the use of naming on the Ellen Tigh page on the Standards and Conventions talk page as you requested. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:12, 14 September 2005 (EDT)

==Doing a Great Job==

I just wanted you to know you've been doing excellent work. I'll try to be careful on anything I change, and if I do, I will explain. [[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]]

Hah! [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions&curid=3447&diff=14318&oldid=14256 Nice edit]. I especially liked the addition of signing work. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:35, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

Once again, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Colonial_wireless_alphabet&curid=3775&diff=19779&oldid=19761 nice edit]. I had considered whether to do as you did or maintain alphabetical order and, in the end, just made an arbitrary choice. I neglected to weigh concision into the equation. I'm not known for being concise, though, so... At least I'm consistent. --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:50, 16 December 2005 (EST)

==New Messsage problem==
Hi, Peter. Do you still have that "new message" problem, with it not going away? It's still there for me, and I was wondering if you had any ideas for getting rid of it. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 14:26, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

==Pictures==
Hi, if you need any more pictures, let me know and I will try to find it. Btw, great job, keep up the good work. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:Thank you. That was a timely addition. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:36, 30 September 2005 (EDT)

== My condolences... ==

I've nominated you on the whatsit page. So... Go accept it or decline it. That is all. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:08, 21 December 2005 (EST)

== Re: Welcome ==

Thank you greatly. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:56, 28 December 2005 (EST)

== Congrats! ==

Hi Peter! Just wanted to let you know that you are officially promoted to administrator! If you have any questions, feel free to ask them! Thank you and, again, congratulations! So say we all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:20, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:So say we all. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:37, 28 December 2005 (EST)

: So say we all! --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:15, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::Thanks, guys. Wow, look at all the pretty new tabs... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:33, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:Sic transit gloria mundi :) --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:40, 29 December 2005 (EST)

: So sez me too. Congratulations, Peter. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:03, 29 December 2005 (EST)
::Congratulations. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:21, 29 December 2005 (EST)

:Congrats Peter --Zareck Rocks 00:48, 30 December 2005 (EST)

== Policy Page ==

Hey Peter, I wanted to ask for your help and advice on fixing the [[Policies]] page. I have been accumulating as many BSG Wiki policies into Category:Battlestar Wiki policies. In order to make the page as complete as possible I wanted to leave no gray areas by defining the word Policy, and list punishments for infringements against the set procedures. Is there anyway you can help me with reverting [[Policies]] to [[Battlestar Wiki:Policy]] and develop a list of possible punishments as well as how you can attain those punishments, set guidelines like:
:After leaving spoiler information out of spoiler tabs after being warned you get such and such punishment.
I know such an infringement would be very minor but I just want to make the rules as black and white as possible. I would be happy to collaborate with you in the Battlestar Wiki:Policy talk page to develop a list of rules/punishments. Joe told me on his user talk page to ask you for assistance with this minor project because you would be highly capable of the task. Thanks and congrats again on your promotion.--Zareck Rocks 00:59, 30 December 2005 (EST)
:Hrm. I don't necessarily think a set of rules/punishments is a terribly good idea. In my opinion, it's good to have our policies and guidelines set down in writing so that we can point new users to them, and have a general idea of pre-existing group consensus when disputes arise. It's important to keep in mind that our policies all reflect this consensus, and are not static - if a new user disagrees with a policy and argues pursuasively against it, it can (and should) be changed.
:For minor violations, I don't really see the use in "punishing" someone, when their error can simply be corrected and the errant user pointed to the relevant policy.
:In especially bad situations, it might be sensible to keep a log of a user's policy violations, which could be referred to in the event of a ban or RFA. For example, it certainly does not endear a user to me when they repeatedly post controversial or incorrect assertions without a source, but I see no need to revoke someone's privileges on account of such a thing. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:14, 30 December 2005 (EST)

== Twelve Colonies Link on you User Page ==
You have a link to "The Twelve Colonies" on your user page. This leads to the disambig page. If you'd change it to "The Twelve Colonies (RDM)", there won't be any more links directly to the disambig page anymore. Thanks. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:55, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Fixed. Your zeal in this matter is admirable, albeit somewhat frightening. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:06, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::First the Twelve Colonies, and now the Cylons are next (followed shortly by the ''Pegasus''). Perhaps this is a result of all the time I've been spending over in the (TOS) regions (but was that the cause, or a warning sign...). Mostly I'd like to get caught up on all the special pages so that we can better identify when things need fixing. 600+ disambigs was overwhelming to wade through. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:17, 20 January 2006 (EST)

== Roger on that - Minor Edits ==

Just something I am so werid from Wikipedia. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 23:22, 20 January 2006 (EST)

==Crud==

Sorry, thanks for catching my bonehead misspelling of Roslin. I knew I picked the wrong day to quit drinking. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:13, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:No hard feelings. It's an increasingly common error that's been bothering me on a couple forums. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:17, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::Hey, I'm supposed to assume good faith, right? No hard feelings. If I screwed it up, I'm glad you called me on it. :)[[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:20, 21 January 2006 (EST)

== The/the Fleet ==

Re: [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Timeline_%28RDM%29&curid=2044&diff=26042&oldid=26014 diff]. Cool. It just needed a "the" at all, whether the T is big or little. There are a bunch of links, though, with the big T... Just keep you eye out, I guess. I'm thinking that's a lower priority than seeking out all the <nowiki>[[Last, First]]</nowiki> character links, for instance. ;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:40, 22 January 2006 (EST)

== IPA style ==

Peter, 
First of all, I admire your eloquent and insightful contributions, and your cool head in heated discussions. Kudos on both. 
Just in case you're not regularly checking the [[Template_talk:IPA|talk page for the IPA template]], I thought I'd post my query here as well, since you seem to have knowledge of said template: 
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation)#IPA style|Wikipedia]] recomments placing a link before IPA text becuase the underscore makes reading the characters difficult. Is there a way to modify our template to comply? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 16:50, 23 January 2006 (EST)

:Replied at [[Template talk:IPA]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:06, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Name change ==

Peter, is it possible for you to change my username? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:00, 27 January 2006 (EST)

:No, only someone with Bureaucrat-level priveleges can do that. You'll need to ask Joe. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:59, 27 January 2006 (EST)

== Sources for Virgon ==

When Starbuck leaves the brig and comes to the CIC, Tigh comments about a big fight "shaping up" in Virgon's orbit. 30 battlestars have been destroyed already. When we next hear about the condition of the Fleet, it's after the nuke crisis is over and the Atlantia has beem destroyed. Afterwards, we don't hear anything about engagements between the Fleet and the Cylon invasion force. If there were no gaps (like between the nuclear flash and Starbuck examining the damage), the Virgon battle could have been over within an hour This seems to indicate that the Colonial Fleet at this point has been obliterated. --[[User:mq59|mq59]] 01:35, 28 January 2006 (EST)

:Thank you for reminding me of that. I suppose we don't have to make an explicit note of that dialog. In the future, please post clarifications such as this to the relevant article's talk page - it will be easier for future editors to locate there. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:04, 28 January 2006 (EST)

== Quality Articles Reminder ==
I just wanted to remind you of [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Community Portal Content|this]] conversation. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:56, 5 February 2006 (EST)

==Re:[[Continuity errors (RDM)]]==

Thank you for addressing your concerns. I have taken the use of [[fumarello]] to be valid based on the two previous pages:

*In the [[Miniseries#Starbuck & Tigh's Card Fight|miniseries]] article:
:''The touch of classic Starbuck elements, i.e. the gambling and [[fumarello]] smoking, is a nice homage to the original that fits in nicely.''

*In the [[Kara Thrace#The Arrow of Apollo|Kara Thrace]] article:
:''There she digs up a stash of [[fumarello]]s, dons an old military fatigue jacket she apparently wore around her home, and starts up a battery-powered music player.''

There are probably others that abound on the site as well. Lastly, the [[fumarello]] article iself states that the ep "[[Water]]" '''does''' use the term "fumarello", as well as explaining that it is made from the fumarella leaf.

If that is not the case, and cigars are really cigars in the "RDMiverse" (meaning that the "Water" reference is wrong), mea culpa. No offense is taken or intended; we're all here to make the best articles possible.--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 14:50, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:Baltar does not explicitly refer to the cigar he gives Thrace as a "fumarello", he just calls the material it's made from "Fumarello leaf", and obviously on-screen evidence takes precedence over whatever RDM may call it on the commentary tracks. Since they have been explicitly referred to as cigars on a number of occasions, and never as "Fumarellos", I am going to revert your edit again. Please do not restore it unless you can provide an actual quote from an episode in favor of your position.

:Here is the dialogue from "Water":

::'''Gaius Baltar:''' Full colors, thank you. Thank you all for a most pleasant evening. A parting gift. Hand-rolled from some of the finest fumarello leaf on Caprica. It's also one of the last left in the universe.

:Note that he never actually names the object he's giving her. Meanwhile, we've heard them explicitly referred to as cigars and cigarettes on several occasions:

:"You Can't Go Home Again"
::'''Kara Thrace:''' No cigar for you.

:"Litmus"
::'''Gaius Baltar:''' I, um, I brought you a cigar. Recovery gift.

:"Final Cut"
::'''Felix Gaeta:''' Gaeta: I hate cigarettes.

:"Black Market"
::'''Jack Fisk:''' By the way, did you get the cigars I sent over?
::'''Lee Adama:''' Enjoy the cigars. Escort the vice President to his ship.
::'''Phelan:''' Everyone has needs. Some settle for cigars or liquor.

:"Scar"
::'''Louanne Katraine:''' Scar's gonna smoke you like a fine cigar, my man.

:So "cigar" wins 6-0, by my count. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:02, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:::Agreed. "Fumarello" appears to be the ''tobacco'' analog, but cigars are still "cigars" ''even'' in "Water". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:27, 5 February 2006 (EST)

== Star of Kobol ==
You deserve a [[Star of Kobol]] for transcribing act II of Res ship part I. It was almost as if RDM was TRYING to make it hard to transcribe, shifting around like that. I had actually picked that one to try to transcribe, and that first paragraph got me to quit. We don't have barnstars around here, but I figured some kudos were due. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:41, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::Whoop, accidentally overwrote your added dialogue for "The Captain's Hand". Was editing some things and kept an older version which must have overwrote your add-ons. D'oheth!!! --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 19:38, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Copyright Question ==
I know that text from wikipedia is off limits due to incompatible licenses... but what about pics? There is a [[Wikipedia:Image:Bgpromo1.jpg|promo shot]] on there that would be great for the [[Season 1 (1978-79)]] article, and maybe even the character portal (in some sort of a collage with cast shots from the other shows). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:58, 16 March 2006 (CST)

:Well, that picture certainly isn't copyright by anyone at wikipedia - they're using it under the principles of fair use, so there's no reason we couldn't do the same. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:14, 16 March 2006 (CST)

Also, I've got a cut of the podcast template up with the additional copyright stuff, but it is suffering from an extra space. If you could figure out how to reword it so that a space after RDM was natural (instead of leaving a dangling period), it'd look a lot slicker. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:58, 16 March 2006 (CST)

== Feedback? ==

Hey. I wanted your input on the whole [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Portals#Do we even like this.3F|Portals thing]]. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|talk]]) 23:25, 19 March 2006 (CST)

==3 images for deletion==
[[:Image:Bsg-wiki-stub.png]] [[:Image:Bsg-wiki-babelfish.png]] [[:Image:Podcast_logo.png]]
Thanks. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 11:48, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
:I took care of two of those. The babelfish is still linked from a template, though, so I didn't want to kill it yet. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:52, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
::Oops missed that one. Fixed template, images can be deleted now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 11:55, 23 April 2006 (CDT).
:::All done. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:55, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Brilliant, been making icons all afternoon and replaced a few old ones. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 11:57, 23 April 2006 (CDT)
==Persimmons?==
I would like to ask your permission to use your likeness (from the image for your user page) in a project I'm working on. It's just a little banner I'm putting together for the Galactica BS fan art forum (not going to be on the front page of anything, just in a post or two (if the original ends up being quoted). I'm actually done with yours (and Joe's) but posting it once is as good as publishing in these days of caching, so before I even posted a preview of it to photobucket I wanted to clear it with you. I just used your pic as is, with some minor changes in scaling, rotation, shadow, and the addition of some hair to account for the areas that were cropped in the original (I used samples of your hair from the original to construct it). I'm not 100% done with it, but it's looking pretty good. I'd rather not spoil the "surprise" of what exactly I'm doing until closer to unveiling, but I could promise a preview before it is "published" (aka posted into my fan art thread). Just drop a note here (or on my talk, or email, or whatever) letting me know. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
:No problem; sounds like a fun project. Just let me know when that preview's ready. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:14, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for welcoming me. Oh and put this template on your userpage:

{{tl|User Wikipedia account}}

[[User:General Eisenhower|General Eisenhower]] ([[Wikipedia:User:General Eisenhower|Wikipedia]]) 12:22, 20 May 2006 (CDT)

== Please prepare to respond to an [[BW:RFC]] ==

I have had it up to hear with you. You assume NO good faith and you assume everything should be done your way - your way only. You have not read anything that was posted. You assume everyone knows your requirments for the information to be posted. You want everything your way and not the community way. If you checked the history of [[Galactica (RDM)]] it was Merv who made it a featured candidate and not me. So you can't say I was playing favoritism in this action by making it the vote. For the people who gave their option over a 4 day period, people selected that page over yours. [[user:Steelviper]] had even objected to your inital comments of "perfect" and so did I, In which afterwards you said you listed your reasons, in which you did not. No more. I have had it with your abuse in power. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:55, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
:I am prepared to defend my actions. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:05, 7 June 2006 (CDT)

== HDTV Template Thingy ==

Hey peter, I was just wondering - the copyright template that says 'this is an HDTV screen capture' etc etc - why is the resolution measured wrong? It's 1920x1080 - always has been - if it were 1080x1920 - it'd be portrait. Also, not all HDTV broadcasts are 1920x1080, some are 1280x720p - just thought i'd throw that in to confuse and umm...there was another reason why i mentioned it, but it escapes me at the moment... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 14:17, 16 June 2006 (CDT)

:On the order issue, that was my bad. You should feel free to correct it. As for 720p vs. 1080i vs. 1080p, I had sort of been hoping that 1080p HD-DVD/Blu-Ray discs would be out soon enough that we wouldn't have to contend with that issue. Unfortunately, it hasn't turned out that way, and things have gotten a little more complicated. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:58, 16 June 2006 (CDT)

::Okay - i'll sort out the order, but how do I do that? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 16:34, 16 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Leave it to me. I'll try to attend to it soon. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:22, 17 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Cool - upto my elbows in brake dust and grease! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 07:45, 17 June 2006 (CDT)

== Your Minor Edit ==

Thanks for the information! However, your contribuation to [[:Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/Shane]] was more than just a ''minor'' edit as you indicated by clicking the "<tt>'''[ ] This is a minor edit'''</tt>" checkbox is unchecked for these types of edits. Please read up on the [[BW:MARK#Minor_edits|guidelines]] refering to minor edits.
--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:46, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:Good call, and apologies for the slip-up. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:48, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

== Inadvertant Deletions and Quotes in Citation ==
Sorry, the deletion from the Delphi Article was accidental. I guess I need to hit Show Preview, right before I save. Sorry about the quotes. There is several different policies about quotes and episodes and I got confused.--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:49, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:Actually, I would never deleted anything (unless it was something I was working on) without asking.--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:49, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
::Accidents happen. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:53, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Still wasnt as bad as when I totally [[Wikipedia:Fubar|fubared]] the ships of the fleet page lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 03:35, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

== There ''must'' be a word for this... ==

So. You're reading Wikipedia and you see a word you don't know. It is, of course, cross-linked, so you click and read. Then you see a term that you basically understand, but figure you could use more information about, so you click. A ways down you see something you've never even heard of, so you click. Thirty minutes later you wonder why the heck you're reading about Julie Andrews or something else entirely unrelated to your original topic. This has got to be very, extremely common. There must be a term for this phenominon and Wikipedia must have an article on it. I demand you tell me what the term is! Now! *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 00:14, 4 July 2006 (CDT)
:[[Wikipedia:Attention deficit disorder|ADD]]. Tabbed browsing is a particularly vicious enabler. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:30, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Viper tally/Archive 1

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Wait, I have a problem. If there were two squadrons of Mark VII Vipers on board the ship, wouldn't that mean that there were at least sixty vipers on board when the Galactica went to Ragnar? Where is this elusive and suddenly phantom Mark VII Viper Squadron? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 15:30, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

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'''[http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Permanent_documentation_file Permanent documentation file] — The Merovingian, BattlestarWiki.org:'''

== The Bot ==

You said you wanted to take a look at what the bot does when it was working... [[Template:Allopentasks]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:40, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:15, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

== Template Help ==

I created this [[Battlestar Wiki:Template List/Guidelines|page]] (for you and others) for help using the new cite templates so you understand how it works. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:57, 6 August 2006 (CDT)
:I do not understand. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 01:22, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

== If your going to be around... ==

I will update the {{tl|Episode Data}} and we three can work on the episode pages. Just let me know. /me goes back try and getting this bot back to work.. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:52, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
:Actually could you do that in circa 6 hours? THe old ball and chain has me doin' stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:52, 8 August 2006 (CDT)
::Steel's not around in 6. :-| Shouldn't really take that long. Episode Pages # < Character Pages, but there are more changes... --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:55, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar List ==

I understand the list's canon-bility, but I'd like to know the list, and a reference where I can look at it myself. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 03:52, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
:Oh yeah, sure I'll help you out with that; hmmm...I"m going to need to do some digging, I'll get back to you on that...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 06:10, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::Where the frak is that list? I'm cutting through alot of felgercarb and I still haven't havent' had a reading on that muthafrakking list. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 03:32, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

:::I think some were deleted, and I don't have time to dig; check some of the TOS battlestar entries' History pages, as they may have contained "Zoic-only RDM Battlestar info" from a while ago.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:16, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::::"According to information releaed by [[Zoic|Zoic Studios]], the '''''Rycon''''' is one of the five [[battlestar]]s built by the [[Colonial]]s during the [[Cylon War]], the others being ''[[Galactica]]'', ''[[Columbia]]'', ''[[Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Atlantia]]''. There is currently no [[Canon|canonical]] data to support this, but as the ''Rycon'' was a name used in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the original series]], it is probable the name would be carried forward to the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|new series]]."
::::I dug that out of the Rycon entry. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:25, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::How could it be Five? Doral stated in the Miniseries that there were originally Twelve. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:43, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::[[User:Ernestborg9|Ernestborg9]] appears to have created that entry (at least the Rycon). I've got no idea where that came from. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:49, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::::If I ever meet that Ernestborg9 guy in person (an impossibility) I'm going to beat him to a pulp. He hasn't come here for over a year, but he wrote a LOT of junk we later had to fix. Most obviously is the "Reviews" he did instead of "Analysis" for episodes, but on top of that; I mean just from technical articles, ship articles, character articles he just made a lot of bad stuff we later had to fix. :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:59, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

==IGN interview EJO's Bush Comments==
Just wondering if you caught EJO's commemts on Bush. Lucy tried to cover for him :).--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:25, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:What are you specifically referring to? I saw the interview but I thought it was the usual "he's a moron" stuff. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:26, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::Let me see if I can get this right, EJO talking about Adama being so overwhelmed like George Bush and want to throw his hands up, But Bush comes out every morning talking about the happy day it is. Lucy goes not he (bush) doesn't say that. I'll listem again if you want me, but I think that is close. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:35, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

== CNP ==

Oh no, this CNP we're uploading has tons of backdoors! Sure it looks like a good idea, updating the styling and such, but pretty soon we're going to be stuck about 300 gigabytes from our homepage with our pants down and only McAfee to protect us. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 00:29, 23 August 2006 (CDT)

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==Squadron numbers==
How many Vipers are in a "squadron" in the terminology used by the Colonial Fleet? I ask because in "[[Scar]]" Roslin said they were getting enough metal ore to build "two squadrons" of Vipers. Is a squadron 10? 12? 20? If a squadron is 20, this would be a dramatic increase.

While I'm on the subject, we've ''speculated'' that based on this dialogue, [[Mercury class battlestar]]s have some sort of limited Viper production facilities but the exact nature of such facilities eludes us.--->Another problem has come up regarding information from ''Battlestar Galactica Magazine'': it's information isn't always quite accurate and when I asked Ron (via Mrs.Ron) on the messageboards, he said they aren't directly affiliated with the magazine in any way, so I don't know how this fits--> in issue #3, they say:

:"A Battlestar's air wing generally consists of six to eight squadrons (20 ships each)...20 Vipers also form a reserve unit to replace lost or damaged ships on an ad hoc basis. Each squadron is also supported by a single Raptor" (P.59)

Is this magazine information accurate? Are there 20 Vipers to a squadron? How many Vipers is Galactica capable of carrying (that is, during its prime when it was a new ship in the Cylon War, how many Vipers is it meant to support?): How many can a Mercury-class Battlestar like ''Pegasus'' hold? --->Based on these magazine numbers, there should only have been 6-8 at most Raptors on Galactica (during it's prime, so by the time of the Cylon attack probably less): In "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" we see 20 Raptors jump to Caprica; Pegasus probably had an equal number of Raptors on board, but where did so many Raptors come from? Can Pegasus construct Raptors just like Vipers? Or (my explanation), are there just many refugee Raptors which escaped to Ragnar, because they've got their own FTL drives? I mean Boomer escaped all the way from Caprica to Ragnar, and Crashdown was stated as being a refugee from another ship, so presumably a few other Raptors made it out (well, that's our assumption. I still think its entirely plausible and not a stretch that there were 20 though). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:53, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:In the [[Miniseries]], a total of ninteen [[Vipers]] are shown on screen (at approx. 47 minutes, 25 seconds in), supported by a single [[Raptor]] ([[Boomer]] and [[Helo]]). It's safe to assume that the 20th ship was merely off-screen. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::You don't understand, the number on parade for the Miniseries decomissioning isn't clearly reflecting "a squadron", more specifically referring to just how many were built in "Scar" if "two squadrons" were built. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:46, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:::True, but Adama does refer to them as "our squadron", that's the basis I was going on. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:49, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica Chain of Command==
in "[[Scattered]]", Commander Adama is shot so his XO Colonel Tigh takes command, while Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] then becomes his acting XO. Is Captain Kelly ''normally'' third-in-command of ''Galactica'' (well, before the many promotions and shifting assignments in Season 2.5 post-"Pegasus")? Or is Apollo normally third in command, but because he was arrested for mutiny, he was removed from the normal succession?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:11, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:Captain Kelly would undoubtadely be the "third in command", or more correctly, the "Second Officer". Captain Adama is the Commander of the Air Group- if, as much of the rest of the show suggests, the Colonial Fleet closely follws the US military's organization, then Apollo would not be directly involved in the day-to-day running of Galactica ''herself'', merely the air group stationed aboard her. Thoughts? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:48, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==Timeline==
The [[season two timeline discontinuity]] left us all a bit baffled. Can you help clarify matters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:40, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
::This one gives me a headache. We were advised by post-production that we may have goofed in the timeline. There were large pow-wows between writers and post trying to sort this out. If memory serves (and it is highly suspect), the issue was a chyron that was subsequently changed -- or not changed -- for the DVD release of Season 2.5. But don't hold me to that. These discussions went on for days and I'm not anxious to revisit them. I do know that what we came up with made sense at the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:05, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Those are actually two separate things: yes, there was a mistake in post for "Downloaded": the card at the beginning says "10 weeks ago", which would have been impossible. The messageboards were in an uproar, and apparently, Joe (owner of BattlestarWiki) e-mailed the post production office and showed them our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] article, showing how it was a clear mix up in post: They sent us an e-mail ''back'' saying that it would be fixed in the Season 2.5 DVD and all subsequent international airings: Fans in the UK have confirmed to us that when "Downloaded" premiered in the UK, the sign was changed to "10 weeks ''later''".----->However, what we've dubbed the "season 2.5 timeline discontinuity" is different from that, but I think it's more something we're waiting for Ron to explain in his Scifi.com blog. --->Basically, there was a jump in time of about 2-3 months between "Pegasus" and "Res Ship I", which we've been trying to explain but can't: All dates ''within'' season 2.5 are consistent with each other, but not with the earlier half of season 2. That is, we worked out that "Pegasus" must take place around three months post-attack, but then in "Res Ship I" Admiral Cain said "Six month" had passed since the attack: at first we thought it was a random dialogue error, at first, but then the rest of Season 2.5 consistently used this, i.e. in "Downloaded" [[Hera]] is born 9 months after the Cylon attack (one month premature, as she was conceived on Day 24). The reason we encountered the "season 2 timeline discontinuity" is that there are a few things that are not really reconcilable, which are:
::::A) Caprica-Sharon is not visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" while wearing a tight tank top, but by "Epiphanies" (at most, two weeks later) she is visibly into her second trimester. Her "Pegasus" appearance fits our initial "three months" dating, while her "Epiphanies" appearance appears to have fast fowarded three months.
::::B) The Presidential elections are stated to take place Nine months after the Cylon attack, however in "[[Bastille Day]]" Apollo said they'd take place in Seven months, and one month later in "[[Colonial Day]]" they said they would take place in Six month (so season 1 consistently says they're 7 months post-attack). ***Ron himself actually says in the LDYB I podcast, "we said in "Bastille Day" that elections were due in Nine months", so we think not even Ron noticed this.
::::C) The last point is a bit complicated, but follows our detailed Timeline: the last firm date we got from the Helo-on-Caprica ticker was that season 2 begins Two months after the attack. Scattered through Fragged span a day or two, then Resistance (ground team wasn't on Kobol very long). In "Resistance", Cally killed ''Galactica''-Sharon and was sent to the brig for 30 days as a result. Cally gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix". --->Colonel Tigh was in command of ''Galatica'' for less than two weeks, more probably one, a command which ended in "Resistance" when Adama returned. Anyway, in FotP Roslin is told she has one month at the ''most'' to live. That means at most one month passes between this scene and "Epiphanies", when she's dying. --->It is stated that "weeks" pass during FotP while Tyrol builds the Blackbird, and this is actually the episode which includes the longest amount of time from beginning to end; we assumed it took maybe 2, but it could have taken many weeks. In any event, we figured out that Flight of the Phoenix ''starts'' about two and a half months after the attack, a lot of time passes during the episode, and by the ''end'', Roslin has one month to live. "Epiphanies" states it took place Six months post-attack, subtracting one month for Roslin life expectancy, the end of Flight of the Phoenix would have to be at Five months poast attack....which would mean that during the episode, 2 months pass while Tyrol builds the Blackbird (which would be a lot given that all of season 1 lasted just two months).
:::Actually, Tyrol could conceivably have spent that long building the Blackbird, Caprica-Sharon's gestation could have just been really fast because she's a Cylon, and some Canadian viewers have pointed out to us that when an election "is called" in a Parliamentary system isn't the same as when the actual voting is held, and that in like Canada and the UK 2 months can pass after an eleciton "starts" and the voting, which could explain all of this (although Ron states in the podcast that as he remembers it, Bastille Day actually just said "Nine").------->We actually don't want to split hairs and be the Comic Book Guy pointing out how in a Xena episode, in one frame she's riding a winged Andalusian horse, while in the next shot she's riding a winged Arabian, and surely we must demand explanation: (this is from a Simpsons episode guest starring Lucy Lawless in which she appears as herself at a convention, and her answer is: "Every time something like that happens, a wizard did it. Wizard!" We've had a hard time keeping track of things ourselves and we appreciate everything the production team is doing on BSG....we take hours upon hours away from friends and family to update this dang encyclopedia (nay, we are compelled)! --->We just want to know what to do in our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]]. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:17, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Unfortunately, you're going to be forced to the conclusion that wizards did it. At least for now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Guns nomenclature==
(BTW, thank you for taking the time to read all of these.): A matter which has come up is what to refer to the guns in BSG as. That is, on Star Trek we'd have an article title "Phasers", and have subsectios talking about ship-mounted phasers and various models of hand phasers. On BSG, are the ship-mounted guns railguns, officially? Do Cylon Basestars have gun batteries like Battlestars? In our own analysis, we thought they didn't (except for missiles) and that while both Battlestars and Basestars are Carrier/Battleship hybrids, a Battlestar is more battleship than a basestar and a basestar leans more towards carrier: that they rely on sheer weight of numbers and hundreds upon hundreds of Raiders, at the expense of having no room left over for railgun batteries (so if you lure the hundreds of Raiders away, they're at a disadvantage to Battlestars, as in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]). ---->Meanwhile, like I said in Trek we'd have an article for "hand phasers", but on BSG we've just got "guns". And for Vipers, what do Vipers have? ---->My point is, we've been using the term "[[Kinetic Energy Weapon]]s" for the name of an article on all of this, but we're not sure if this is in anyway what the show itself uses. This many seem like a minor point, I know, but after we started using "KEW", simply as a term of convenience on the Viper articles and such...other fansites and messageboards I've seen read ''BattlestarWiki'' and I think they assume it's an official term. So if this is not what people in the BSGverse refer to their guns as, I think I should add a disclaimer or something (just like "Note: KEW is not an official term"). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:In short, is "[[KEW]]" a correct termology of the "guns" of Battlestar(s)? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::[Spock]I believe that is what I said, Mr. Shane [/Spock]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:52, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::Just a simple explain. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:17, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::::During rewrites of Epiphanes, we ran into this same question, at least in terms of Viper ordnance. The writing staff originally proposed chemically propelled projectiles (easier to sabotage) but Gary Hutzel protested. He preferred rail guns, and that's what we adopted, but nobody's said it on screen. Which means there is no canon on our cannons yet ;) [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::The plot thinkens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:25, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::The visual evidence on Epiphanies seems to suggest chemically propelled projectiles. However, since railguns are still a form of KEW, do the production staff ever refer to them as KEW? We are trying to verify if the term [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]] is an "official" term. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:50, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm pretty sure it's just something one of us came up with. It's been proposed that we go to a more generic "Weapons" over on the talk page of that article. It's not like we have an article for each different "kind" of weapon at this point.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::The broken cartridge (with what appeared to be gunpowder spilling out) did seem to point to chemical propulsion. And not even caseless (as had been proposed during the [[miniseries]]). Oh well. As long as something comes out whenever they pull the trigger, I suppose. The (rail gun/Gary Hutzel discussion) is an awesome piece of trivia! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

"Kinetic Energy Weapon" and "KEW" are terms I first saw used by the US Air Force in a book called MILITARY SPACE FORCES commissioned by the US Congress and published in 1989. As to its "official" nature on Galactica, I'm sure they'd use the term where appropriate, just as they use the terms "nuclear weapon" or "noodle."
The Rail guns aboard the Vipers fire a mix of tracer/incendiary, armor piercing and explosive rounds, in various ratios depending upon mission requirements, so not all their projectiles are strictly kinetic. - And the powder in the degraded projectile might have been chemical explosive used in the HE rounds. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:14, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:Can I ask, then, why chemically-propelled ordnance was rejected? I ask mainly because rail guns as we know them (theoretically) propel ordnance at a percentage of the speed of light- which, it stands to reason, would be far faster than any chemically-propelled weaponry, such as missiles. However, in the [[Miniseries]], when the fleet is escaping [[Ragnar]], the shells fired by both Galatica and her Vipers do not seem to be travelling much faster than the missiles fired by the enemy vessels.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::Here we're stuck with what we can actually SEE in order to make exciting visual storytelling. Just as the Vipers and Raiders have been slowed down and moved closer than they would "really" be so we can enjoy cool shots, the weaponry has also been made viewer friendly. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:43, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

== No HUD's in Vipers? ==

I've noticed that the Colonial Vipers don't seem to be equipped with any type of Heads-Up Display (HUD) or any such device. I was wondering if this was a design feature of the Vipers or if it was born simply as a way to reduce the number of VFX elements in a cockpit shot. Also, without a HUD, is there some other form of gunsight in the pilot's line of sight? --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 15:55, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:Actually, if you look really hard at screenshots from "The Hand of God", etc., they do seem to have HUD's, although they haven't been prominently displayed on the show.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:02, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::What appears to be a HUD in screencaps of "The Hand of God" seems to actually be reflection of the Viper's central display on the cockpit window. It's most evident in the first pov cockpit shot on this page, where there are several upside down DRADIS screens.[http://galactica.emedian.net/es1.10.7.html] --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 13:34, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::No HUDS in the Vipers. We haven't put gunsights in them, either. I'm not sure what the design reasons were for these decisions, but I'm guessing that it came down to VFX money that was better spent elsewhere. Our pilots simply have to be that much better. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:01, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Perhaps because a HUD would require several systems linked together via a computer, and this would be vulnerable to manipulation by the Cylons? The MkII was, after all, designed NOT to be vulnerable to this sort of attack.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== FTL and the cylons ==

What is the range of Galactica's FTL engines? I have read some were that it is 30 light years. If this si true then it means that the fleet would have jumped around 7500 light years due to all the jumps they made in '33'. So were in the galaxy are they?

Also in the show the Cylons are divided into two types. Skin jobs and Centurions. The thing is that the Cylons say that they are better than humans but they are making the same mistake the colonies made made. I say this because Ron Moore has said that the Centurions are not sentient and so are treated as expanderble, like the first cylons were treated by the Colonies. So will we ever see the Centurions rise up against there flesh and blood counter parts. {{unsigned|Viper1982}}

*I have always speculated (pure speculation) that there is NO "range" on FTL engines ''in theory''...but there is an "effective" range of ''practicality'': That is, based on Admiral Cain's order for a [[blind jump]] and the way they talk more about "plotting coordinates at such a distance" (as Ragnar) than engine range, I always ''assumed'' that an FTL Jump can take you ''anywhere'' in the universe, but "it ain't like dusting crops", and if you just go without safe coordinates, you could easily wind up in a star or planet, so it's too unsafe to use. The Cylons have better computers than the Colonials, and thus are able to plot safe jumps along longer distances in their Nav computers, that's why they can jump back to Caprica relatively easily compared to the Colonials. Theoretically (This is my longstanding *assumption*, is it correct?) Galactica could Jump across the entire galaxy...it's just so unsafe without good coordinates and the odds of winding up in a star or something so big that it's deemed not worth it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:07, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

:*I agree, there's also the question of how much fuel is invested in each FTL jump, which would also prove as a limiting factor. And if Tylium is as rare as they said it was, then they must have some form of calculating how to spend it best. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::*Exactly. If, as we speculate in the [[FTL]] article, the propulsion is wormhole-based, then it stands to reason that to make a bigger wormhole, one would need more jucie, so to speak. It also stands to reason that the further away one's desired exit point is, the more difficult it would be to pinpoint said location. An analogy- have you ever tried to land the end of a long piece of string on a particular point? It's MUCH easier to do with a shorter piece. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:12, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== Sleeper Agents ==

I have been updating an article on the Miniseries [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel) | novelization]]. The novelization gives a lot of extra info about Aaron Doral, making a big point that he is a sleeper agent. Was this from official sources or artistic license by the author? The main point is that his realization (unlike Boomer's) that he was a Cylon was easy. Also, if true, might imply that Brother Cavil from Galactica might be a sleeper agent? Thanks. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:56, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Writing a novelization involves fleshing out much of what the original presentation only hints at. To my knowledge, the extra information was not gleaned from any of the documentation/bibles used on the series. How "official" that makes it is an open question. If we don't address it in the show, then everyone's entitled to their own theory. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:55, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Was Galactica's Brother Cavil a sleeper agent, or was it never considered or discussed? Thanks, --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:05, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::We discuss a lot of stuff, but if it doesn't show up on screen, it's as if it never happened. That philosophy leaves us open to more possibilities. Was Cavil a sleeper? Until we find a story where that matters, we won't define it -- and leave you wondering. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

Cavil definitely seemed not to be a sleeper. It's odd that Boomer appears to be the only one. There should be more, I would think. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:Didn't Internal-Six same "some are sleepers" in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:25, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== Galactica's Armor Skin ==

Just to clarify more than anything - and mainly so that people can stop arguing about it. Did the Galactica always have such a patchy armour skin, or before the days of decommissioning, was it more like Pegasus in terms of looks? Here's an image as an example, just in case ;) [http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/galactica_freshrender.jpg] --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 18:56, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:I asked [[Eric Chu]] about this on the MediaBlvd messageboards, and he said the ribs were supposed to be there, so only a missle coming from a perfect 90 degree angle would connect. Of course, I think that might have just been ''his'' opinion. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::It makes sense for there to be SOME ribs, but the ventral plating (there i go, using trek terms again...) looks....oddly laid out. As though half of it has been stripped off. Look at an image of Pegasus for comparison. I know they're different classes and all, but it just seems....wrong...somethow, for the galactica to be so oddly patchy. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:09, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::To be annoyingly particular, "ventral plating" is just a phrase composed of two normal words in their normal meanings, so it is not peculiar to Star Trek. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 19:37, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Troo dat, but it sounds like it's lifted straight out of an episode of DS9 :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:45, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::(You mean dorsal plating (top); ventral plating means on the bottom). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:11, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::It's 2:38am - not work brain! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:33, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Surely the lack of armour across her entire hull hints that she did, at one time, have a full complement of armour? Perhaps the armour was being stripped off for other uses, due to the decommissioning of the ship? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:04, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::This was my point, and i'd like to believe that this is the case, although i dont want to end up being a fanboy about it - just would be nice for clarification! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==SkyOne Biography Canonicity==

We've been debating the status of some information from SkyOne for some time now: Around the Miniseries, biographies for several main characters were posted on SkyOne's website. You can wee one at the bottom of the [[William Adama]] article, as well as for [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], etc. ----->This information was taken down from SkyOne's website over a year ago. To our knowledge, BattlestarWiki is actually the only site keeping this info posted. We didn't know if it reflected [[Series bible]] things, or even if it did, if these still "counted" any more. You see I've made little notes on the bottom of each pointing out that they're not consistent with how the show turned out. For example, Galactica-Sharon's bio says she was on Galactica a different period of time, that Troy blew up recently not years ago, etc. Bits and pieces of other things are also kind of weird, and the only source for some things, i.e. Starbuck's mother's name, which honestly I don't think is official anymore. The SkyOne bios even say that Starbuck a Picon and Baltar a Sagitarron, while we had assumed both were from Caprica. --->Long story short we're debating whether to delete these from BattlestarWiki entirely, and base nothing we have on information from them, because A) The information was ''taken down'', probably because it wasn't "right" anymore, B) It actually contradicts things from aired episodes, throwing dubious light onto their status. So we wanted to know if this information from SkyOne's website, no longer extant, is invalidated. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:48, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Your definition of the series bible is accurate. Ron came up with it before the series went into production and we use it as a reference, a starting point. It isn't carved in stone. Sky One may have had access to pieces of it, but what happens on screen supercedes anything that doesn't. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

:For my part, I'm just curious as to what role the writing staff had in the creation of those bios in the first place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

::In the beginning was the bible. Then came the staff. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

==Basestar losses in Res Ship II==

In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", were both Basestars destroyed (which is what I think) or was one destroyed, and the other escaped? Some say that because we didn't see the second one explode on-screen, it might have escaped...though I thought it was implied that it was, and it was taking a pounding from not one but two battlestars focused on it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

::Cylons build tough ships and nobody's better at making repairs on machinery, so we have to follow standard Colonial Fleet procedure in this -- unless it's confirmed as destroyed (by gun cameras, witnesses, or wreckage) Galactica can only claim it as "Damaged." -- [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:::The Colonials just can't win. When the [[Wikipedia:Manfred von Richthofen|Red Baron]] scored his first kill, the brass said it was unconfirmed and didn't count. He flew into a rage, and the next time he scored a kill, while behind enemy lines, he landed, went to the downed craft and carved off the identifying insignia, and flew back to base with them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

==Webisode series==

In [http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html this article] it's said that [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]], the webisode series bridging the gap between seasons 2 and 3, will have 10 episodes. In a [http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2750 recent interview], [[David Weddle]] mentioned that the Thompson & Weddle writing team were behind the webisode series. Not giving spoilers, just clarifying production details: How long will each of the 10 webisodes run? Will they be run on TV right before season 3 starts (I assume they would). Did the Thompson & Weddle writing team write each of the 10 webisodes? Do you have any idea who directed them? (were they made by one director, or did different ones do different webisdoes?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:48, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Are the webisodes live action or animated like the Doctor Who web series? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:15, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Thanks Mr. Thompson; at first from rumors we heard we thought each segment had it's own title and the first webisode out of 10 was titled "Crossroads". Mercifull, I've heard RDM in interviews talking about people actually filming it live, plus Leah Cairns said she wasn't one of the people appearing in it, implying that live-action people actually are. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:45, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::The webisodes are all live action, using our actors - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:01, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::In determining on how we should list it here on BSG Wiki, should it be associated with Season 2 or Season 3? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:10, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm leaning towards Season 3. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:13, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Scar Podcast Transcribed==
While I personally HATE listening to recordings of myself, I thought I'd let you know that we've finished transcribing the [[Podcast:Scar|Scar podcast]] in case you interested in checking that out. We did our best, though it is sometimes hard to sort out who's who or pick up everything that is said. Any corrections are welcome. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:37, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:Let me get this straight: we lost both a "Starbuck naked in the bowels of the ship with a revolver" scene, and a "Starbuck strips off her flight suit, soaked in sweat, and takes a shower" scene from this episode? But it would have shown the mental state her character was in....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:01, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::The armed Starbuck naked in Galactica's bowels was an image Ron gave us to communicate an emotional place he wanted her to reach. It was never a scene. The soaked in sweat scene was shot but time didn't allow it to appear in the show. The shower part of it was not shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:12, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Odd, it was not included on the recent set of deleted scenes posted on Scifi.com; of course, I think they're saving most of the deleted scenes for the DVD set to encourage us to buy them...which I will. Yes, if you check our transcript for "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" when Terry Moore insists to Ron that "yes, there are 5-6 people that listen to these things the day that they're posted online"....we're about half of those people :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking A Break from All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by David Eick & Michael Angeli

::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

==Caprica==

Are any of the current BSG writing staff considering or expressing interest in writing episodes for the prequel series ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::The issue has not yet come up. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

==Pegasus (Extended Version)==

The upcoming DVD release of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" in the Season 2.5 DVD will be the re-edited, 5-Act Extended Version of ''Pegasus''. Should we consider all of the scenes in this extended edition as non-canonical as the deleted scenes from other episodes? Many Lord of the Rings fans consider the "Extended Edition" longer DVD versions to be the "definative" version, not the theatrical release, which got me thinking on this. Case in point, there's reportedly a scene where Admiral Cain explains the technical differences between a [[Mercury class battlestar]] and a [[Galactica type battlestar]]: is this information not going to be "valid"? Much of the Deleted Scenes information we've examined previously has existed in a bizarre state of limbo on BattlestarWiki (but it's a system that works) in which we say "this is from a deleted scene and probably not canonical, but as it is not contradicted by anything (yet) its the current version" (i.e. Ellen Tigh said she'd been married to Saul Tigh for 7 years in a ''deleted'' scene, so we don't consider that ''strictly'' canonical. ——Of course the problem is, as Ron has explained in the podcasts, most BSG episodes run long (into the 50 minute range often) and many scenes are simply deleted for time (i.e. the problems that ensued when Apollo/Dualla relationship buildup scenes were cut, usually just for time, from other episodes)--->However, the difference in the Extended Version of (soon to be Hugo Award winning) "Pegasus" is that Ron has openly stated that almost ''all'' of this removed material was taken out simply for ''time'' issues, not ''story'' issues. How should we approach this material? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:03, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::There is rumor that Ron Moore is even doing a ''separate'', new podcast for the Extended Version of ''Pegasus'', co-hosted with David Eick. Is this just wild rumor?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:23, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

=="Cally Henderson"?!==

[http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1996604#Post1996604 On the Scifi Messageboard]: "''At Comic-Con, I asked the writer Bradley Thompson what Cally's first name is and he said, "Cally is her first name. Her last name is Henderson." He said he didn't think her last name was ever used in the first two seasons, but he's pretty sure it comes up in Season 3.''" ——— '''Can you ''confirm'' this?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:38, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::I'm not sure when we established Cally's surname as Henderson, but it's been in and out of several scripts. I know we originally had it in a line during the webisodes, but it vanished during a later draft. The art department has been using it to label her clothing, lockers, etc, since Ron christened her. She took Tyrol as her last name when she married the chief. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Thanks! Yes, the BSGverse is very gender-neutral, and although [[Caroline Adama]], etc. established that many women do take the surname of their husband, I wasn't entirely sure how far the gender-neutrality of everything extended (Indeed, Ron apparently has even toyed with the idea of saying that Admiral Cain's colony, Tauron, was matriarchal). But this is excellent news. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:33, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

I guess this would make her (as of season 3) "Cally Henderson Tyrol"? Actress Nicki Clyne always felt "Cally" was her first name too. How is this reconciled with how at some points in the series (I'd have to look hard to find them) people have called her "Specialist Cally", as if that were her last name (by including rank)....come to think of it, there is a possibility that no one ever actually called her "Specialist Cally" in dialogue. I will check. (Btw, while I'm on the subject, who is this "Mexichick": she's one of the regulars in Terry Moore's thread on the Scifi board, and seems to have contact with several cast or crew members).

I must say, Cally is one of the best characters on the show. She won Best Supporting Actress in our [[Golden Toaster Awards|large-scale online fan awards supported by Ron himself]], beating out Dualla, Racetrack, Kat, and Ellen Tigh (it was a landslide victory). Sorry to get so excited, but I'm a card-carrying member of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/index.php?act=idx Nicki Clyne fansite]. You see I've actually been watching Trek from Next Gen, through DS9, and then the Voyager and Enterprise years, and I really feal that "lets get ratings fast by inserting Seven of Nine! Put T'Pol in a blatant shower scene!" stuff was a big blow to scifi genre tv, as it took out a lot of seriousness and believability. I viewed Cally as the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and living embodiement of Ron's essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]]: instead of one Lara Croft-esque supersoldier Hot Space Babe [TM] main character surrounded by redshirts, on BSG Cally is a *third tier character* and a *female* who gets incredible development and characterization (note: I AM a male aged 18 to 25, it's just that even WE got sick of 7 of 9 and T'Pol).

A few of use on the messageboards in early 2005 just said "hey, that girl from the Miniseries was cool, we hope we see her more"...then came "[[Bastille Day]]" and her popularity exploded. She's the girl next door. And it just became a treat to see she was in and episode, like "Six Degrees of Separation", or "Flight of the Phoenix", or Fragged and Resistance (her standout episodes). It's the same reason we like Kat and Racetrack: they're well rounded, secondary female characters; and like Tyrol and Helo, minor characters can *actually die* in a given episode, increasing the tension. (I.e. Starbuck wouldn't die in Scar, but Kat might have, so I was actually invested in her fate).

And Cally just gradually grew into this really popular character online, from the grassroots up. Some people think it's a joke, but it's because we seriously like the actress and character and think it's one of the elements of scifi genre tv that BSG has fixed.

Btw, have you decided what colony she is from yet? (That is, will it be mentioned in Season 3?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:55, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::Not yet. Hasn't been relevant so far in 3, but we've got seven more shows to break. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[Exodus!]] v. [[Exodus, Part I]] ==

Is there going to be any simularities between the ''Marvel comic'' and these episode's? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:22, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would doubt it, Shane, because afaik the Exodus comic was an adaptation of ''Saga of a Star World''. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. I realized it a little late, but hey, it could happen. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:07, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cally vs Caprica-Sharon ==

I've been listenning through the writer's podcasts that Ron put up on Scifi.com, like the one for "Sacrifice" etc. -->Was a scene of Caprica-Sharon bumping into Cally in a ''Galactica'' hallway ever filmed and was then deleted? I'd assume that Cally would encounter ''Galactica''-Sharon (one she shot) on New Caprica next season, so if that other scene was never filmed I guess this would be their first encounter. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

:I the room talked about several versions of this scene in several places but I'm not sure if it was ever actually shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:24, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

==Tyrol's Pegasus service==
In "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Chief Tyrol listed off that he had served on Battlestars ''Atlantia'', ''Columbia'', and ''Pegasus'', since he was 18. This was actually the first time ''Pegasus'' was mentioned in the series, and it led some to speculate that Tyrol knew some of the ''Pegasus'' crew from before: in an intervew, Aaron Douglas said that a fan asked him about this at a convention, and he said he had never realized that about the referrence, and as far as he knew his character's behind-the-scenes backstory contained nothing particular about his time on ''Pegasus'', (i.e. he didn't really have a relationship with anyone on it, he just served on it along with a dozen other ships); however he said he didn't know what the writers intended. Was there supposed to be any higher significance behind this?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:52, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:: There's always higher significance. We just don't always get to it. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:11, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

==Helmets==

I've noticed that the helmets the piliots wear in Season 2 are different from the ones used through Season 1; were they changed because the actors thought the old ones were too bulky or something? I liked what Ron and David said on the Miniseries DVD commentary, that it's kind of weird but cool how the helmets scrunch the faces of the pilots so they look like they're in an entirely different world (i.e. Grace Park's face looks drastically different when she puts a helmet on, and Jamie and Katee too) so it doesn't just look like "a person on a soundstage" but seems more like they're actually in this other environment. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:31, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:Just thought I'd note the helmet discussion at the end of act two in the [[Podcast:The Captain's Hand#Act 2|Captain's Hand podcast]]. In it, Ron indicated there were some lighting and sound problems with earlier models. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:08, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::Word is that they fog up and the actors can't look up or back with them without cracking them. We're working on that. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:13, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

== RE: Military Ships ==

Dear Brad,

I like to thank you for joining the discussions on BattlestarWiki. It's nice to see cast and crew and even producers talk to the fans, and act politely compared to many pompous skinjobs out in the frakking world. The question I pose to you, is that I'm aware of a statement Cylon Number 0, also known as "Ronald D. Moore" said in his Scifi Podcast that the Battlestars had support ships in the fleet in Battlestar Groups, analogous to modern day Aircraft Carriers. What I want to know is that the possibility of ALL military ships being destroyed is very how to say; unrealistic. That's not to say that this series has been unrealistic, the fact that many in the Colonial Military reverted to networking after a semi recent war with heuristic machines seems about right with human nature and their lazy ways. But to get back to the point, would it be likely that some military vessels (besides the obvious, Galactica and Pegasus) survived. Many have pointed out that the Todd Boyce fan produced ship model, the 'Defender' has been seen, but I'm not sure how to take this as an "official" military spacecraft. If so, can they maybe rejoin the fleet? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:49, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:Not meaning to speak for Mr. Thompson, but A) Within the mythology of the show, Galactica is the "Last battlestar" and Pegasus is the "shockingly, another ship that survived" B) It's not unrealistic given that the Cylons through Caprica-Six had information on the tactical deployment of ''all'' ships within the Fleet, knew where every single one was, etc. Ships smaller than battlestars could not survive against the Cylon fleet on their lonesome. I am unaware of anyone pointing to any fan-produced ship models. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:19, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::I did some checking and found [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/colonialshipdescriptions.html this page] (Scroll down a bit): rather than "Undeniably canon", I see a similar ship to the design this guy made, propably the same basic CGI model, but that's ''hardly'' another surviving military ship. They just used the basic CGI model as another Rag Tag Fleet civilian ship. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:18, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm not trying to start a text war, I was just meaning to ask a question to Mr. Thompson, which you seemed to answer on a matter of your personal opinion. I'm not one to doubt what you said, since your answer has some validity to it, but I won't take this as a solid answer unless Mr. Thompson says so. Also what's not to say that the design wasn't used as intended; many ships in the fleet have yet to be designated a definitive role. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 21:25, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Oh I'm not answering it I'm just putting my thoughts on the matter out. I must admit it was a pretty good question, given the uncanny resemblance of the CGI model and the ship in the screenshot.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:58, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::Then again, I was thinking not about like other Battlestars, more like cruisers or the Colonial Analog of Coast Guard Cutters. That would be an interesting plot point or strategic matter in later episodes.--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 18:42, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::The more I look at that screengrab, the more I'm leaning in your direction Volos; perhaps some stray ship that joined the others in an event skipped over during the course of "one year later"?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:32, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
:Dear Volosthegardian - Galactica was essentially retired at the time of the initial attack and did not have the usual military escorts associated with a commissioned Battlestar. We only know of the ships in our fleet. If other ships have survived, military or otherwise, we haven't yet made contact with them. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:22, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well lads, that answers and raises up more questions; like a usual episode of Lost. So, is there room for other survivors? I mean, of course that would downplay the effect of Pegasus coming back. But that does some options open...maybe not. Regarding fleet escorts, would the characters in the series ever look back at their battlegroup and show what the battlegroup would be made up of? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 21:59, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I personally think that Galactica and Pegasus were the only surviving Battlestars, as the backbone of the Fleet, the battlestars would have been high priority targets. Any smaller surviving ships would have quickly been picked off one by one. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:07, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::::The Galactica and the Pegasus are THE only Battlestars left, because three would be unstoppable, but I always hold out some other military ships left.. The smaller ships would definitely be crushed, but maybe something a bit larger, like a cruiser or maybe something with a curved forward section and two engines, I wonder what that would be like? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:17, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

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==Squadron numbers==
How many Vipers are in a "squadron" in the terminology used by the Colonial Fleet? I ask because in "[[Scar]]" Roslin said they were getting enough metal ore to build "two squadrons" of Vipers. Is a squadron 10? 12? 20? If a squadron is 20, this would be a dramatic increase.

While I'm on the subject, we've ''speculated'' that based on this dialogue, [[Mercury class battlestar]]s have some sort of limited Viper production facilities but the exact nature of such facilities eludes us.--->Another problem has come up regarding information from ''Battlestar Galactica Magazine'': it's information isn't always quite accurate and when I asked Ron (via Mrs.Ron) on the messageboards, he said they aren't directly affiliated with the magazine in any way, so I don't know how this fits--> in issue #3, they say:

:"A Battlestar's air wing generally consists of six to eight squadrons (20 ships each)...20 Vipers also form a reserve unit to replace lost or damaged ships on an ad hoc basis. Each squadron is also supported by a single Raptor" (P.59)

Is this magazine information accurate? Are there 20 Vipers to a squadron? How many Vipers is Galactica capable of carrying (that is, during its prime when it was a new ship in the Cylon War, how many Vipers is it meant to support?): How many can a Mercury-class Battlestar like ''Pegasus'' hold? --->Based on these magazine numbers, there should only have been 6-8 at most Raptors on Galactica (during it's prime, so by the time of the Cylon attack probably less): In "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" we see 20 Raptors jump to Caprica; Pegasus probably had an equal number of Raptors on board, but where did so many Raptors come from? Can Pegasus construct Raptors just like Vipers? Or (my explanation), are there just many refugee Raptors which escaped to Ragnar, because they've got their own FTL drives? I mean Boomer escaped all the way from Caprica to Ragnar, and Crashdown was stated as being a refugee from another ship, so presumably a few other Raptors made it out (well, that's our assumption. I still think its entirely plausible and not a stretch that there were 20 though). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:53, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:In the [[Miniseries]], a total of ninteen [[Vipers]] are shown on screen (at approx. 47 minutes, 25 seconds in), supported by a single [[Raptor]] ([[Boomer]] and [[Helo]]). It's safe to assume that the 20th ship was merely off-screen. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::You don't understand, the number on parade for the Miniseries decomissioning isn't clearly reflecting "a squadron", more specifically referring to just how many were built in "Scar" if "two squadrons" were built. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:46, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:::True, but Adama does refer to them as "our squadron", that's the basis I was going on. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:49, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica Chain of Command==
in "[[Scattered]]", Commander Adama is shot so his XO Colonel Tigh takes command, while Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] then becomes his acting XO. Is Captain Kelly ''normally'' third-in-command of ''Galactica'' (well, before the many promotions and shifting assignments in Season 2.5 post-"Pegasus")? Or is Apollo normally third in command, but because he was arrested for mutiny, he was removed from the normal succession?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:11, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:Captain Kelly would undoubtadely be the "third in command", or more correctly, the "Second Officer". Captain Adama is the Commander of the Air Group- if, as much of the rest of the show suggests, the Colonial Fleet closely follws the US military's organization, then Apollo would not be directly involved in the day-to-day running of Galactica ''herself'', merely the air group stationed aboard her. Thoughts? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:48, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==Timeline==
The [[season two timeline discontinuity]] left us all a bit baffled. Can you help clarify matters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:40, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
::This one gives me a headache. We were advised by post-production that we may have goofed in the timeline. There were large pow-wows between writers and post trying to sort this out. If memory serves (and it is highly suspect), the issue was a chyron that was subsequently changed -- or not changed -- for the DVD release of Season 2.5. But don't hold me to that. These discussions went on for days and I'm not anxious to revisit them. I do know that what we came up with made sense at the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:05, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Those are actually two separate things: yes, there was a mistake in post for "Downloaded": the card at the beginning says "10 weeks ago", which would have been impossible. The messageboards were in an uproar, and apparently, Joe (owner of BattlestarWiki) e-mailed the post production office and showed them our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] article, showing how it was a clear mix up in post: They sent us an e-mail ''back'' saying that it would be fixed in the Season 2.5 DVD and all subsequent international airings: Fans in the UK have confirmed to us that when "Downloaded" premiered in the UK, the sign was changed to "10 weeks ''later''".----->However, what we've dubbed the "season 2.5 timeline discontinuity" is different from that, but I think it's more something we're waiting for Ron to explain in his Scifi.com blog. --->Basically, there was a jump in time of about 2-3 months between "Pegasus" and "Res Ship I", which we've been trying to explain but can't: All dates ''within'' season 2.5 are consistent with each other, but not with the earlier half of season 2. That is, we worked out that "Pegasus" must take place around three months post-attack, but then in "Res Ship I" Admiral Cain said "Six month" had passed since the attack: at first we thought it was a random dialogue error, at first, but then the rest of Season 2.5 consistently used this, i.e. in "Downloaded" [[Hera]] is born 9 months after the Cylon attack (one month premature, as she was conceived on Day 24). The reason we encountered the "season 2 timeline discontinuity" is that there are a few things that are not really reconcilable, which are:
::::A) Caprica-Sharon is not visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" while wearing a tight tank top, but by "Epiphanies" (at most, two weeks later) she is visibly into her second trimester. Her "Pegasus" appearance fits our initial "three months" dating, while her "Epiphanies" appearance appears to have fast fowarded three months.
::::B) The Presidential elections are stated to take place Nine months after the Cylon attack, however in "[[Bastille Day]]" Apollo said they'd take place in Seven months, and one month later in "[[Colonial Day]]" they said they would take place in Six month (so season 1 consistently says they're 7 months post-attack). ***Ron himself actually says in the LDYB I podcast, "we said in "Bastille Day" that elections were due in Nine months", so we think not even Ron noticed this.
::::C) The last point is a bit complicated, but follows our detailed Timeline: the last firm date we got from the Helo-on-Caprica ticker was that season 2 begins Two months after the attack. Scattered through Fragged span a day or two, then Resistance (ground team wasn't on Kobol very long). In "Resistance", Cally killed ''Galactica''-Sharon and was sent to the brig for 30 days as a result. Cally gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix". --->Colonel Tigh was in command of ''Galatica'' for less than two weeks, more probably one, a command which ended in "Resistance" when Adama returned. Anyway, in FotP Roslin is told she has one month at the ''most'' to live. That means at most one month passes between this scene and "Epiphanies", when she's dying. --->It is stated that "weeks" pass during FotP while Tyrol builds the Blackbird, and this is actually the episode which includes the longest amount of time from beginning to end; we assumed it took maybe 2, but it could have taken many weeks. In any event, we figured out that Flight of the Phoenix ''starts'' about two and a half months after the attack, a lot of time passes during the episode, and by the ''end'', Roslin has one month to live. "Epiphanies" states it took place Six months post-attack, subtracting one month for Roslin life expectancy, the end of Flight of the Phoenix would have to be at Five months poast attack....which would mean that during the episode, 2 months pass while Tyrol builds the Blackbird (which would be a lot given that all of season 1 lasted just two months).
:::Actually, Tyrol could conceivably have spent that long building the Blackbird, Caprica-Sharon's gestation could have just been really fast because she's a Cylon, and some Canadian viewers have pointed out to us that when an election "is called" in a Parliamentary system isn't the same as when the actual voting is held, and that in like Canada and the UK 2 months can pass after an eleciton "starts" and the voting, which could explain all of this (although Ron states in the podcast that as he remembers it, Bastille Day actually just said "Nine").------->We actually don't want to split hairs and be the Comic Book Guy pointing out how in a Xena episode, in one frame she's riding a winged Andalusian horse, while in the next shot she's riding a winged Arabian, and surely we must demand explanation: (this is from a Simpsons episode guest starring Lucy Lawless in which she appears as herself at a convention, and her answer is: "Every time something like that happens, a wizard did it. Wizard!" We've had a hard time keeping track of things ourselves and we appreciate everything the production team is doing on BSG....we take hours upon hours away from friends and family to update this dang encyclopedia (nay, we are compelled)! --->We just want to know what to do in our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]]. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:17, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Unfortunately, you're going to be forced to the conclusion that wizards did it. At least for now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Guns nomenclature==
(BTW, thank you for taking the time to read all of these.): A matter which has come up is what to refer to the guns in BSG as. That is, on Star Trek we'd have an article title "Phasers", and have subsectios talking about ship-mounted phasers and various models of hand phasers. On BSG, are the ship-mounted guns railguns, officially? Do Cylon Basestars have gun batteries like Battlestars? In our own analysis, we thought they didn't (except for missiles) and that while both Battlestars and Basestars are Carrier/Battleship hybrids, a Battlestar is more battleship than a basestar and a basestar leans more towards carrier: that they rely on sheer weight of numbers and hundreds upon hundreds of Raiders, at the expense of having no room left over for railgun batteries (so if you lure the hundreds of Raiders away, they're at a disadvantage to Battlestars, as in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]). ---->Meanwhile, like I said in Trek we'd have an article for "hand phasers", but on BSG we've just got "guns". And for Vipers, what do Vipers have? ---->My point is, we've been using the term "[[Kinetic Energy Weapon]]s" for the name of an article on all of this, but we're not sure if this is in anyway what the show itself uses. This many seem like a minor point, I know, but after we started using "KEW", simply as a term of convenience on the Viper articles and such...other fansites and messageboards I've seen read ''BattlestarWiki'' and I think they assume it's an official term. So if this is not what people in the BSGverse refer to their guns as, I think I should add a disclaimer or something (just like "Note: KEW is not an official term"). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:In short, is "[[KEW]]" a correct termology of the "guns" of Battlestar(s)? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::[Spock]I believe that is what I said, Mr. Shane [/Spock]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:52, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::Just a simple explain. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:17, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::::During rewrites of Epiphanes, we ran into this same question, at least in terms of Viper ordnance. The writing staff originally proposed chemically propelled projectiles (easier to sabotage) but Gary Hutzel protested. He preferred rail guns, and that's what we adopted, but nobody's said it on screen. Which means there is no canon on our cannons yet ;) [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::The plot thinkens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:25, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::The visual evidence on Epiphanies seems to suggest chemically propelled projectiles. However, since railguns are still a form of KEW, do the production staff ever refer to them as KEW? We are trying to verify if the term [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]] is an "official" term. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:50, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm pretty sure it's just something one of us came up with. It's been proposed that we go to a more generic "Weapons" over on the talk page of that article. It's not like we have an article for each different "kind" of weapon at this point.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::The broken cartridge (with what appeared to be gunpowder spilling out) did seem to point to chemical propulsion. And not even caseless (as had been proposed during the [[miniseries]]). Oh well. As long as something comes out whenever they pull the trigger, I suppose. The (rail gun/Gary Hutzel discussion) is an awesome piece of trivia! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

"Kinetic Energy Weapon" and "KEW" are terms I first saw used by the US Air Force in a book called MILITARY SPACE FORCES commissioned by the US Congress and published in 1989. As to its "official" nature on Galactica, I'm sure they'd use the term where appropriate, just as they use the terms "nuclear weapon" or "noodle."
The Rail guns aboard the Vipers fire a mix of tracer/incendiary, armor piercing and explosive rounds, in various ratios depending upon mission requirements, so not all their projectiles are strictly kinetic. - And the powder in the degraded projectile might have been chemical explosive used in the HE rounds. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:14, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:Can I ask, then, why chemically-propelled ordnance was rejected? I ask mainly because rail guns as we know them (theoretically) propel ordnance at a percentage of the speed of light- which, it stands to reason, would be far faster than any chemically-propelled weaponry, such as missiles. However, in the [[Miniseries]], when the fleet is escaping [[Ragnar]], the shells fired by both Galatica and her Vipers do not seem to be travelling much faster than the missiles fired by the enemy vessels.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::Here we're stuck with what we can actually SEE in order to make exciting visual storytelling. Just as the Vipers and Raiders have been slowed down and moved closer than they would "really" be so we can enjoy cool shots, the weaponry has also been made viewer friendly. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:43, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

== No HUD's in Vipers? ==

I've noticed that the Colonial Vipers don't seem to be equipped with any type of Heads-Up Display (HUD) or any such device. I was wondering if this was a design feature of the Vipers or if it was born simply as a way to reduce the number of VFX elements in a cockpit shot. Also, without a HUD, is there some other form of gunsight in the pilot's line of sight? --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 15:55, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:Actually, if you look really hard at screenshots from "The Hand of God", etc., they do seem to have HUD's, although they haven't been prominently displayed on the show.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:02, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::What appears to be a HUD in screencaps of "The Hand of God" seems to actually be reflection of the Viper's central display on the cockpit window. It's most evident in the first pov cockpit shot on this page, where there are several upside down DRADIS screens.[http://galactica.emedian.net/es1.10.7.html] --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 13:34, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::No HUDS in the Vipers. We haven't put gunsights in them, either. I'm not sure what the design reasons were for these decisions, but I'm guessing that it came down to VFX money that was better spent elsewhere. Our pilots simply have to be that much better. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:01, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Perhaps because a HUD would require several systems linked together via a computer, and this would be vulnerable to manipulation by the Cylons? The MkII was, after all, designed NOT to be vulnerable to this sort of attack.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== FTL and the cylons ==

What is the range of Galactica's FTL engines? I have read some were that it is 30 light years. If this si true then it means that the fleet would have jumped around 7500 light years due to all the jumps they made in '33'. So were in the galaxy are they?

Also in the show the Cylons are divided into two types. Skin jobs and Centurions. The thing is that the Cylons say that they are better than humans but they are making the same mistake the colonies made made. I say this because Ron Moore has said that the Centurions are not sentient and so are treated as expanderble, like the first cylons were treated by the Colonies. So will we ever see the Centurions rise up against there flesh and blood counter parts. {{unsigned|Viper1982}}

*I have always speculated (pure speculation) that there is NO "range" on FTL engines ''in theory''...but there is an "effective" range of ''practicality'': That is, based on Admiral Cain's order for a [[blind jump]] and the way they talk more about "plotting coordinates at such a distance" (as Ragnar) than engine range, I always ''assumed'' that an FTL Jump can take you ''anywhere'' in the universe, but "it ain't like dusting crops", and if you just go without safe coordinates, you could easily wind up in a star or planet, so it's too unsafe to use. The Cylons have better computers than the Colonials, and thus are able to plot safe jumps along longer distances in their Nav computers, that's why they can jump back to Caprica relatively easily compared to the Colonials. Theoretically (This is my longstanding *assumption*, is it correct?) Galactica could Jump across the entire galaxy...it's just so unsafe without good coordinates and the odds of winding up in a star or something so big that it's deemed not worth it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:07, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

:*I agree, there's also the question of how much fuel is invested in each FTL jump, which would also prove as a limiting factor. And if Tylium is as rare as they said it was, then they must have some form of calculating how to spend it best. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::*Exactly. If, as we speculate in the [[FTL]] article, the propulsion is wormhole-based, then it stands to reason that to make a bigger wormhole, one would need more jucie, so to speak. It also stands to reason that the further away one's desired exit point is, the more difficult it would be to pinpoint said location. An analogy- have you ever tried to land the end of a long piece of string on a particular point? It's MUCH easier to do with a shorter piece. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:12, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== Sleeper Agents ==

I have been updating an article on the Miniseries [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel) | novelization]]. The novelization gives a lot of extra info about Aaron Doral, making a big point that he is a sleeper agent. Was this from official sources or artistic license by the author? The main point is that his realization (unlike Boomer's) that he was a Cylon was easy. Also, if true, might imply that Brother Cavil from Galactica might be a sleeper agent? Thanks. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:56, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Writing a novelization involves fleshing out much of what the original presentation only hints at. To my knowledge, the extra information was not gleaned from any of the documentation/bibles used on the series. How "official" that makes it is an open question. If we don't address it in the show, then everyone's entitled to their own theory. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:55, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Was Galactica's Brother Cavil a sleeper agent, or was it never considered or discussed? Thanks, --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:05, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::We discuss a lot of stuff, but if it doesn't show up on screen, it's as if it never happened. That philosophy leaves us open to more possibilities. Was Cavil a sleeper? Until we find a story where that matters, we won't define it -- and leave you wondering. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

Cavil definitely seemed not to be a sleeper. It's odd that Boomer appears to be the only one. There should be more, I would think. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:Didn't Internal-Six same "some are sleepers" in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:25, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== Galactica's Armor Skin ==

Just to clarify more than anything - and mainly so that people can stop arguing about it. Did the Galactica always have such a patchy armour skin, or before the days of decommissioning, was it more like Pegasus in terms of looks? Here's an image as an example, just in case ;) [http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/galactica_freshrender.jpg] --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 18:56, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:I asked [[Eric Chu]] about this on the MediaBlvd messageboards, and he said the ribs were supposed to be there, so only a missle coming from a perfect 90 degree angle would connect. Of course, I think that might have just been ''his'' opinion. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::It makes sense for there to be SOME ribs, but the ventral plating (there i go, using trek terms again...) looks....oddly laid out. As though half of it has been stripped off. Look at an image of Pegasus for comparison. I know they're different classes and all, but it just seems....wrong...somethow, for the galactica to be so oddly patchy. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:09, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::To be annoyingly particular, "ventral plating" is just a phrase composed of two normal words in their normal meanings, so it is not peculiar to Star Trek. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 19:37, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Troo dat, but it sounds like it's lifted straight out of an episode of DS9 :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:45, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::(You mean dorsal plating (top); ventral plating means on the bottom). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:11, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::It's 2:38am - not work brain! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:33, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Surely the lack of armour across her entire hull hints that she did, at one time, have a full complement of armour? Perhaps the armour was being stripped off for other uses, due to the decommissioning of the ship? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:04, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::This was my point, and i'd like to believe that this is the case, although i dont want to end up being a fanboy about it - just would be nice for clarification! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==SkyOne Biography Canonicity==

We've been debating the status of some information from SkyOne for some time now: Around the Miniseries, biographies for several main characters were posted on SkyOne's website. You can wee one at the bottom of the [[William Adama]] article, as well as for [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], etc. ----->This information was taken down from SkyOne's website over a year ago. To our knowledge, BattlestarWiki is actually the only site keeping this info posted. We didn't know if it reflected [[Series bible]] things, or even if it did, if these still "counted" any more. You see I've made little notes on the bottom of each pointing out that they're not consistent with how the show turned out. For example, Galactica-Sharon's bio says she was on Galactica a different period of time, that Troy blew up recently not years ago, etc. Bits and pieces of other things are also kind of weird, and the only source for some things, i.e. Starbuck's mother's name, which honestly I don't think is official anymore. The SkyOne bios even say that Starbuck a Picon and Baltar a Sagitarron, while we had assumed both were from Caprica. --->Long story short we're debating whether to delete these from BattlestarWiki entirely, and base nothing we have on information from them, because A) The information was ''taken down'', probably because it wasn't "right" anymore, B) It actually contradicts things from aired episodes, throwing dubious light onto their status. So we wanted to know if this information from SkyOne's website, no longer extant, is invalidated. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:48, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Your definition of the series bible is accurate. Ron came up with it before the series went into production and we use it as a reference, a starting point. It isn't carved in stone. Sky One may have had access to pieces of it, but what happens on screen supercedes anything that doesn't. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

:For my part, I'm just curious as to what role the writing staff had in the creation of those bios in the first place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

::In the beginning was the bible. Then came the staff. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

==Basestar losses in Res Ship II==

In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", were both Basestars destroyed (which is what I think) or was one destroyed, and the other escaped? Some say that because we didn't see the second one explode on-screen, it might have escaped...though I thought it was implied that it was, and it was taking a pounding from not one but two battlestars focused on it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

::Cylons build tough ships and nobody's better at making repairs on machinery, so we have to follow standard Colonial Fleet procedure in this -- unless it's confirmed as destroyed (by gun cameras, witnesses, or wreckage) Galactica can only claim it as "Damaged." -- [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:::The Colonials just can't win. When the [[Wikipedia:Manfred von Richthofen|Red Baron]] scored his first kill, the brass said it was unconfirmed and didn't count. He flew into a rage, and the next time he scored a kill, while behind enemy lines, he landed, went to the downed craft and carved off the identifying insignia, and flew back to base with them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

==Webisode series==

In [http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html this article] it's said that [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]], the webisode series bridging the gap between seasons 2 and 3, will have 10 episodes. In a [http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2750 recent interview], [[David Weddle]] mentioned that the Thompson & Weddle writing team were behind the webisode series. Not giving spoilers, just clarifying production details: How long will each of the 10 webisodes run? Will they be run on TV right before season 3 starts (I assume they would). Did the Thompson & Weddle writing team write each of the 10 webisodes? Do you have any idea who directed them? (were they made by one director, or did different ones do different webisdoes?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:48, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Are the webisodes live action or animated like the Doctor Who web series? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:15, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Thanks Mr. Thompson; at first from rumors we heard we thought each segment had it's own title and the first webisode out of 10 was titled "Crossroads". Mercifull, I've heard RDM in interviews talking about people actually filming it live, plus Leah Cairns said she wasn't one of the people appearing in it, implying that live-action people actually are. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:45, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::The webisodes are all live action, using our actors - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:01, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::In determining on how we should list it here on BSG Wiki, should it be associated with Season 2 or Season 3? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:10, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm leaning towards Season 3. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:13, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Scar Podcast Transcribed==
While I personally HATE listening to recordings of myself, I thought I'd let you know that we've finished transcribing the [[Podcast:Scar|Scar podcast]] in case you interested in checking that out. We did our best, though it is sometimes hard to sort out who's who or pick up everything that is said. Any corrections are welcome. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:37, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:Let me get this straight: we lost both a "Starbuck naked in the bowels of the ship with a revolver" scene, and a "Starbuck strips off her flight suit, soaked in sweat, and takes a shower" scene from this episode? But it would have shown the mental state her character was in....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:01, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::The armed Starbuck naked in Galactica's bowels was an image Ron gave us to communicate an emotional place he wanted her to reach. It was never a scene. The soaked in sweat scene was shot but time didn't allow it to appear in the show. The shower part of it was not shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:12, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Odd, it was not included on the recent set of deleted scenes posted on Scifi.com; of course, I think they're saving most of the deleted scenes for the DVD set to encourage us to buy them...which I will. Yes, if you check our transcript for "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" when Terry Moore insists to Ron that "yes, there are 5-6 people that listen to these things the day that they're posted online"....we're about half of those people :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Taking A Break from All Your Worries]] - Episode 3.12 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
*[[Episode 3.16]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson
*[[Episode 3.17]] - written by David Eick & Michael Angeli

::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::3.16 & 3.17 added - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:08, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

==Caprica==

Are any of the current BSG writing staff considering or expressing interest in writing episodes for the prequel series ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::The issue has not yet come up. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

==Pegasus (Extended Version)==

The upcoming DVD release of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" in the Season 2.5 DVD will be the re-edited, 5-Act Extended Version of ''Pegasus''. Should we consider all of the scenes in this extended edition as non-canonical as the deleted scenes from other episodes? Many Lord of the Rings fans consider the "Extended Edition" longer DVD versions to be the "definative" version, not the theatrical release, which got me thinking on this. Case in point, there's reportedly a scene where Admiral Cain explains the technical differences between a [[Mercury class battlestar]] and a [[Galactica type battlestar]]: is this information not going to be "valid"? Much of the Deleted Scenes information we've examined previously has existed in a bizarre state of limbo on BattlestarWiki (but it's a system that works) in which we say "this is from a deleted scene and probably not canonical, but as it is not contradicted by anything (yet) its the current version" (i.e. Ellen Tigh said she'd been married to Saul Tigh for 7 years in a ''deleted'' scene, so we don't consider that ''strictly'' canonical. ——Of course the problem is, as Ron has explained in the podcasts, most BSG episodes run long (into the 50 minute range often) and many scenes are simply deleted for time (i.e. the problems that ensued when Apollo/Dualla relationship buildup scenes were cut, usually just for time, from other episodes)--->However, the difference in the Extended Version of (soon to be Hugo Award winning) "Pegasus" is that Ron has openly stated that almost ''all'' of this removed material was taken out simply for ''time'' issues, not ''story'' issues. How should we approach this material? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:03, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::There is rumor that Ron Moore is even doing a ''separate'', new podcast for the Extended Version of ''Pegasus'', co-hosted with David Eick. Is this just wild rumor?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:23, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

=="Cally Henderson"?!==

[http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1996604#Post1996604 On the Scifi Messageboard]: "''At Comic-Con, I asked the writer Bradley Thompson what Cally's first name is and he said, "Cally is her first name. Her last name is Henderson." He said he didn't think her last name was ever used in the first two seasons, but he's pretty sure it comes up in Season 3.''" ——— '''Can you ''confirm'' this?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:38, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::I'm not sure when we established Cally's surname as Henderson, but it's been in and out of several scripts. I know we originally had it in a line during the webisodes, but it vanished during a later draft. The art department has been using it to label her clothing, lockers, etc, since Ron christened her. She took Tyrol as her last name when she married the chief. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Thanks! Yes, the BSGverse is very gender-neutral, and although [[Caroline Adama]], etc. established that many women do take the surname of their husband, I wasn't entirely sure how far the gender-neutrality of everything extended (Indeed, Ron apparently has even toyed with the idea of saying that Admiral Cain's colony, Tauron, was matriarchal). But this is excellent news. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:33, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

I guess this would make her (as of season 3) "Cally Henderson Tyrol"? Actress Nicki Clyne always felt "Cally" was her first name too. How is this reconciled with how at some points in the series (I'd have to look hard to find them) people have called her "Specialist Cally", as if that were her last name (by including rank)....come to think of it, there is a possibility that no one ever actually called her "Specialist Cally" in dialogue. I will check. (Btw, while I'm on the subject, who is this "Mexichick": she's one of the regulars in Terry Moore's thread on the Scifi board, and seems to have contact with several cast or crew members).

I must say, Cally is one of the best characters on the show. She won Best Supporting Actress in our [[Golden Toaster Awards|large-scale online fan awards supported by Ron himself]], beating out Dualla, Racetrack, Kat, and Ellen Tigh (it was a landslide victory). Sorry to get so excited, but I'm a card-carrying member of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/index.php?act=idx Nicki Clyne fansite]. You see I've actually been watching Trek from Next Gen, through DS9, and then the Voyager and Enterprise years, and I really feal that "lets get ratings fast by inserting Seven of Nine! Put T'Pol in a blatant shower scene!" stuff was a big blow to scifi genre tv, as it took out a lot of seriousness and believability. I viewed Cally as the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and living embodiement of Ron's essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]]: instead of one Lara Croft-esque supersoldier Hot Space Babe [TM] main character surrounded by redshirts, on BSG Cally is a *third tier character* and a *female* who gets incredible development and characterization (note: I AM a male aged 18 to 25, it's just that even WE got sick of 7 of 9 and T'Pol).

A few of use on the messageboards in early 2005 just said "hey, that girl from the Miniseries was cool, we hope we see her more"...then came "[[Bastille Day]]" and her popularity exploded. She's the girl next door. And it just became a treat to see she was in and episode, like "Six Degrees of Separation", or "Flight of the Phoenix", or Fragged and Resistance (her standout episodes). It's the same reason we like Kat and Racetrack: they're well rounded, secondary female characters; and like Tyrol and Helo, minor characters can *actually die* in a given episode, increasing the tension. (I.e. Starbuck wouldn't die in Scar, but Kat might have, so I was actually invested in her fate).

And Cally just gradually grew into this really popular character online, from the grassroots up. Some people think it's a joke, but it's because we seriously like the actress and character and think it's one of the elements of scifi genre tv that BSG has fixed.

Btw, have you decided what colony she is from yet? (That is, will it be mentioned in Season 3?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:55, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::Not yet. Hasn't been relevant so far in 3, but we've got seven more shows to break. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[Exodus!]] v. [[Exodus, Part I]] ==

Is there going to be any simularities between the ''Marvel comic'' and these episode's? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:22, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would doubt it, Shane, because afaik the Exodus comic was an adaptation of ''Saga of a Star World''. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. I realized it a little late, but hey, it could happen. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:07, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cally vs Caprica-Sharon ==

I've been listenning through the writer's podcasts that Ron put up on Scifi.com, like the one for "Sacrifice" etc. -->Was a scene of Caprica-Sharon bumping into Cally in a ''Galactica'' hallway ever filmed and was then deleted? I'd assume that Cally would encounter ''Galactica''-Sharon (one she shot) on New Caprica next season, so if that other scene was never filmed I guess this would be their first encounter. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

:I the room talked about several versions of this scene in several places but I'm not sure if it was ever actually shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:24, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

==Tyrol's Pegasus service==
In "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Chief Tyrol listed off that he had served on Battlestars ''Atlantia'', ''Columbia'', and ''Pegasus'', since he was 18. This was actually the first time ''Pegasus'' was mentioned in the series, and it led some to speculate that Tyrol knew some of the ''Pegasus'' crew from before: in an intervew, Aaron Douglas said that a fan asked him about this at a convention, and he said he had never realized that about the referrence, and as far as he knew his character's behind-the-scenes backstory contained nothing particular about his time on ''Pegasus'', (i.e. he didn't really have a relationship with anyone on it, he just served on it along with a dozen other ships); however he said he didn't know what the writers intended. Was there supposed to be any higher significance behind this?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:52, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:: There's always higher significance. We just don't always get to it. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:11, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

==Helmets==

I've noticed that the helmets the piliots wear in Season 2 are different from the ones used through Season 1; were they changed because the actors thought the old ones were too bulky or something? I liked what Ron and David said on the Miniseries DVD commentary, that it's kind of weird but cool how the helmets scrunch the faces of the pilots so they look like they're in an entirely different world (i.e. Grace Park's face looks drastically different when she puts a helmet on, and Jamie and Katee too) so it doesn't just look like "a person on a soundstage" but seems more like they're actually in this other environment. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:31, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:Just thought I'd note the helmet discussion at the end of act two in the [[Podcast:The Captain's Hand#Act 2|Captain's Hand podcast]]. In it, Ron indicated there were some lighting and sound problems with earlier models. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:08, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::Word is that they fog up and the actors can't look up or back with them without cracking them. We're working on that. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:13, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

== RE: Military Ships ==

Dear Brad,

I like to thank you for joining the discussions on BattlestarWiki. It's nice to see cast and crew and even producers talk to the fans, and act politely compared to many pompous skinjobs out in the frakking world. The question I pose to you, is that I'm aware of a statement Cylon Number 0, also known as "Ronald D. Moore" said in his Scifi Podcast that the Battlestars had support ships in the fleet in Battlestar Groups, analogous to modern day Aircraft Carriers. What I want to know is that the possibility of ALL military ships being destroyed is very how to say; unrealistic. That's not to say that this series has been unrealistic, the fact that many in the Colonial Military reverted to networking after a semi recent war with heuristic machines seems about right with human nature and their lazy ways. But to get back to the point, would it be likely that some military vessels (besides the obvious, Galactica and Pegasus) survived. Many have pointed out that the Todd Boyce fan produced ship model, the 'Defender' has been seen, but I'm not sure how to take this as an "official" military spacecraft. If so, can they maybe rejoin the fleet? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:49, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:Not meaning to speak for Mr. Thompson, but A) Within the mythology of the show, Galactica is the "Last battlestar" and Pegasus is the "shockingly, another ship that survived" B) It's not unrealistic given that the Cylons through Caprica-Six had information on the tactical deployment of ''all'' ships within the Fleet, knew where every single one was, etc. Ships smaller than battlestars could not survive against the Cylon fleet on their lonesome. I am unaware of anyone pointing to any fan-produced ship models. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:19, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::I did some checking and found [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/colonialshipdescriptions.html this page] (Scroll down a bit): rather than "Undeniably canon", I see a similar ship to the design this guy made, propably the same basic CGI model, but that's ''hardly'' another surviving military ship. They just used the basic CGI model as another Rag Tag Fleet civilian ship. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:18, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm not trying to start a text war, I was just meaning to ask a question to Mr. Thompson, which you seemed to answer on a matter of your personal opinion. I'm not one to doubt what you said, since your answer has some validity to it, but I won't take this as a solid answer unless Mr. Thompson says so. Also what's not to say that the design wasn't used as intended; many ships in the fleet have yet to be designated a definitive role. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 21:25, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Oh I'm not answering it I'm just putting my thoughts on the matter out. I must admit it was a pretty good question, given the uncanny resemblance of the CGI model and the ship in the screenshot.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:58, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::Then again, I was thinking not about like other Battlestars, more like cruisers or the Colonial Analog of Coast Guard Cutters. That would be an interesting plot point or strategic matter in later episodes.--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 18:42, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::The more I look at that screengrab, the more I'm leaning in your direction Volos; perhaps some stray ship that joined the others in an event skipped over during the course of "one year later"?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:32, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
:Dear Volosthegardian - Galactica was essentially retired at the time of the initial attack and did not have the usual military escorts associated with a commissioned Battlestar. We only know of the ships in our fleet. If other ships have survived, military or otherwise, we haven't yet made contact with them. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:22, 9 August 2006 (CDT)
::Well lads, that answers and raises up more questions; like a usual episode of Lost. So, is there room for other survivors? I mean, of course that would downplay the effect of Pegasus coming back. But that does some options open...maybe not. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 21:59, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

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==Squadron numbers==
How many Vipers are in a "squadron" in the terminology used by the Colonial Fleet? I ask because in "[[Scar]]" Roslin said they were getting enough metal ore to build "two squadrons" of Vipers. Is a squadron 10? 12? 20? If a squadron is 20, this would be a dramatic increase.

While I'm on the subject, we've ''speculated'' that based on this dialogue, [[Mercury class battlestar]]s have some sort of limited Viper production facilities but the exact nature of such facilities eludes us.--->Another problem has come up regarding information from ''Battlestar Galactica Magazine'': it's information isn't always quite accurate and when I asked Ron (via Mrs.Ron) on the messageboards, he said they aren't directly affiliated with the magazine in any way, so I don't know how this fits--> in issue #3, they say:

:"A Battlestar's air wing generally consists of six to eight squadrons (20 ships each)...20 Vipers also form a reserve unit to replace lost or damaged ships on an ad hoc basis. Each squadron is also supported by a single Raptor" (P.59)

Is this magazine information accurate? Are there 20 Vipers to a squadron? How many Vipers is Galactica capable of carrying (that is, during its prime when it was a new ship in the Cylon War, how many Vipers is it meant to support?): How many can a Mercury-class Battlestar like ''Pegasus'' hold? --->Based on these magazine numbers, there should only have been 6-8 at most Raptors on Galactica (during it's prime, so by the time of the Cylon attack probably less): In "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" we see 20 Raptors jump to Caprica; Pegasus probably had an equal number of Raptors on board, but where did so many Raptors come from? Can Pegasus construct Raptors just like Vipers? Or (my explanation), are there just many refugee Raptors which escaped to Ragnar, because they've got their own FTL drives? I mean Boomer escaped all the way from Caprica to Ragnar, and Crashdown was stated as being a refugee from another ship, so presumably a few other Raptors made it out (well, that's our assumption. I still think its entirely plausible and not a stretch that there were 20 though). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:53, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:In the [[Miniseries]], a total of ninteen [[Vipers]] are shown on screen (at approx. 47 minutes, 25 seconds in), supported by a single [[Raptor]] ([[Boomer]] and [[Helo]]). It's safe to assume that the 20th ship was merely off-screen. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::You don't understand, the number on parade for the Miniseries decomissioning isn't clearly reflecting "a squadron", more specifically referring to just how many were built in "Scar" if "two squadrons" were built. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:46, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:::True, but Adama does refer to them as "our squadron", that's the basis I was going on. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:49, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica Chain of Command==
in "[[Scattered]]", Commander Adama is shot so his XO Colonel Tigh takes command, while Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] then becomes his acting XO. Is Captain Kelly ''normally'' third-in-command of ''Galactica'' (well, before the many promotions and shifting assignments in Season 2.5 post-"Pegasus")? Or is Apollo normally third in command, but because he was arrested for mutiny, he was removed from the normal succession?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:11, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:Captain Kelly would undoubtadely be the "third in command", or more correctly, the "Second Officer". Captain Adama is the Commander of the Air Group- if, as much of the rest of the show suggests, the Colonial Fleet closely follws the US military's organization, then Apollo would not be directly involved in the day-to-day running of Galactica ''herself'', merely the air group stationed aboard her. Thoughts? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:48, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==Timeline==
The [[season two timeline discontinuity]] left us all a bit baffled. Can you help clarify matters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:40, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
::This one gives me a headache. We were advised by post-production that we may have goofed in the timeline. There were large pow-wows between writers and post trying to sort this out. If memory serves (and it is highly suspect), the issue was a chyron that was subsequently changed -- or not changed -- for the DVD release of Season 2.5. But don't hold me to that. These discussions went on for days and I'm not anxious to revisit them. I do know that what we came up with made sense at the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:05, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Those are actually two separate things: yes, there was a mistake in post for "Downloaded": the card at the beginning says "10 weeks ago", which would have been impossible. The messageboards were in an uproar, and apparently, Joe (owner of BattlestarWiki) e-mailed the post production office and showed them our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] article, showing how it was a clear mix up in post: They sent us an e-mail ''back'' saying that it would be fixed in the Season 2.5 DVD and all subsequent international airings: Fans in the UK have confirmed to us that when "Downloaded" premiered in the UK, the sign was changed to "10 weeks ''later''".----->However, what we've dubbed the "season 2.5 timeline discontinuity" is different from that, but I think it's more something we're waiting for Ron to explain in his Scifi.com blog. --->Basically, there was a jump in time of about 2-3 months between "Pegasus" and "Res Ship I", which we've been trying to explain but can't: All dates ''within'' season 2.5 are consistent with each other, but not with the earlier half of season 2. That is, we worked out that "Pegasus" must take place around three months post-attack, but then in "Res Ship I" Admiral Cain said "Six month" had passed since the attack: at first we thought it was a random dialogue error, at first, but then the rest of Season 2.5 consistently used this, i.e. in "Downloaded" [[Hera]] is born 9 months after the Cylon attack (one month premature, as she was conceived on Day 24). The reason we encountered the "season 2 timeline discontinuity" is that there are a few things that are not really reconcilable, which are:
::::A) Caprica-Sharon is not visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" while wearing a tight tank top, but by "Epiphanies" (at most, two weeks later) she is visibly into her second trimester. Her "Pegasus" appearance fits our initial "three months" dating, while her "Epiphanies" appearance appears to have fast fowarded three months.
::::B) The Presidential elections are stated to take place Nine months after the Cylon attack, however in "[[Bastille Day]]" Apollo said they'd take place in Seven months, and one month later in "[[Colonial Day]]" they said they would take place in Six month (so season 1 consistently says they're 7 months post-attack). ***Ron himself actually says in the LDYB I podcast, "we said in "Bastille Day" that elections were due in Nine months", so we think not even Ron noticed this.
::::C) The last point is a bit complicated, but follows our detailed Timeline: the last firm date we got from the Helo-on-Caprica ticker was that season 2 begins Two months after the attack. Scattered through Fragged span a day or two, then Resistance (ground team wasn't on Kobol very long). In "Resistance", Cally killed ''Galactica''-Sharon and was sent to the brig for 30 days as a result. Cally gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix". --->Colonel Tigh was in command of ''Galatica'' for less than two weeks, more probably one, a command which ended in "Resistance" when Adama returned. Anyway, in FotP Roslin is told she has one month at the ''most'' to live. That means at most one month passes between this scene and "Epiphanies", when she's dying. --->It is stated that "weeks" pass during FotP while Tyrol builds the Blackbird, and this is actually the episode which includes the longest amount of time from beginning to end; we assumed it took maybe 2, but it could have taken many weeks. In any event, we figured out that Flight of the Phoenix ''starts'' about two and a half months after the attack, a lot of time passes during the episode, and by the ''end'', Roslin has one month to live. "Epiphanies" states it took place Six months post-attack, subtracting one month for Roslin life expectancy, the end of Flight of the Phoenix would have to be at Five months poast attack....which would mean that during the episode, 2 months pass while Tyrol builds the Blackbird (which would be a lot given that all of season 1 lasted just two months).
:::Actually, Tyrol could conceivably have spent that long building the Blackbird, Caprica-Sharon's gestation could have just been really fast because she's a Cylon, and some Canadian viewers have pointed out to us that when an election "is called" in a Parliamentary system isn't the same as when the actual voting is held, and that in like Canada and the UK 2 months can pass after an eleciton "starts" and the voting, which could explain all of this (although Ron states in the podcast that as he remembers it, Bastille Day actually just said "Nine").------->We actually don't want to split hairs and be the Comic Book Guy pointing out how in a Xena episode, in one frame she's riding a winged Andalusian horse, while in the next shot she's riding a winged Arabian, and surely we must demand explanation: (this is from a Simpsons episode guest starring Lucy Lawless in which she appears as herself at a convention, and her answer is: "Every time something like that happens, a wizard did it. Wizard!" We've had a hard time keeping track of things ourselves and we appreciate everything the production team is doing on BSG....we take hours upon hours away from friends and family to update this dang encyclopedia (nay, we are compelled)! --->We just want to know what to do in our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]]. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:17, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Unfortunately, you're going to be forced to the conclusion that wizards did it. At least for now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Guns nomenclature==
(BTW, thank you for taking the time to read all of these.): A matter which has come up is what to refer to the guns in BSG as. That is, on Star Trek we'd have an article title "Phasers", and have subsectios talking about ship-mounted phasers and various models of hand phasers. On BSG, are the ship-mounted guns railguns, officially? Do Cylon Basestars have gun batteries like Battlestars? In our own analysis, we thought they didn't (except for missiles) and that while both Battlestars and Basestars are Carrier/Battleship hybrids, a Battlestar is more battleship than a basestar and a basestar leans more towards carrier: that they rely on sheer weight of numbers and hundreds upon hundreds of Raiders, at the expense of having no room left over for railgun batteries (so if you lure the hundreds of Raiders away, they're at a disadvantage to Battlestars, as in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]). ---->Meanwhile, like I said in Trek we'd have an article for "hand phasers", but on BSG we've just got "guns". And for Vipers, what do Vipers have? ---->My point is, we've been using the term "[[Kinetic Energy Weapon]]s" for the name of an article on all of this, but we're not sure if this is in anyway what the show itself uses. This many seem like a minor point, I know, but after we started using "KEW", simply as a term of convenience on the Viper articles and such...other fansites and messageboards I've seen read ''BattlestarWiki'' and I think they assume it's an official term. So if this is not what people in the BSGverse refer to their guns as, I think I should add a disclaimer or something (just like "Note: KEW is not an official term"). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:In short, is "[[KEW]]" a correct termology of the "guns" of Battlestar(s)? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::[Spock]I believe that is what I said, Mr. Shane [/Spock]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:52, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::Just a simple explain. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:17, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::::During rewrites of Epiphanes, we ran into this same question, at least in terms of Viper ordnance. The writing staff originally proposed chemically propelled projectiles (easier to sabotage) but Gary Hutzel protested. He preferred rail guns, and that's what we adopted, but nobody's said it on screen. Which means there is no canon on our cannons yet ;) [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::The plot thinkens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:25, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::The visual evidence on Epiphanies seems to suggest chemically propelled projectiles. However, since railguns are still a form of KEW, do the production staff ever refer to them as KEW? We are trying to verify if the term [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]] is an "official" term. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:50, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm pretty sure it's just something one of us came up with. It's been proposed that we go to a more generic "Weapons" over on the talk page of that article. It's not like we have an article for each different "kind" of weapon at this point.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::The broken cartridge (with what appeared to be gunpowder spilling out) did seem to point to chemical propulsion. And not even caseless (as had been proposed during the [[miniseries]]). Oh well. As long as something comes out whenever they pull the trigger, I suppose. The (rail gun/Gary Hutzel discussion) is an awesome piece of trivia! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

"Kinetic Energy Weapon" and "KEW" are terms I first saw used by the US Air Force in a book called MILITARY SPACE FORCES commissioned by the US Congress and published in 1989. As to its "official" nature on Galactica, I'm sure they'd use the term where appropriate, just as they use the terms "nuclear weapon" or "noodle."
The Rail guns aboard the Vipers fire a mix of tracer/incendiary, armor piercing and explosive rounds, in various ratios depending upon mission requirements, so not all their projectiles are strictly kinetic. - And the powder in the degraded projectile might have been chemical explosive used in the HE rounds. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:14, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:Can I ask, then, why chemically-propelled ordnance was rejected? I ask mainly because rail guns as we know them (theoretically) propel ordnance at a percentage of the speed of light- which, it stands to reason, would be far faster than any chemically-propelled weaponry, such as missiles. However, in the [[Miniseries]], when the fleet is escaping [[Ragnar]], the shells fired by both Galatica and her Vipers do not seem to be travelling much faster than the missiles fired by the enemy vessels.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::Here we're stuck with what we can actually SEE in order to make exciting visual storytelling. Just as the Vipers and Raiders have been slowed down and moved closer than they would "really" be so we can enjoy cool shots, the weaponry has also been made viewer friendly. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:43, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

== No HUD's in Vipers? ==

I've noticed that the Colonial Vipers don't seem to be equipped with any type of Heads-Up Display (HUD) or any such device. I was wondering if this was a design feature of the Vipers or if it was born simply as a way to reduce the number of VFX elements in a cockpit shot. Also, without a HUD, is there some other form of gunsight in the pilot's line of sight? --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 15:55, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:Actually, if you look really hard at screenshots from "The Hand of God", etc., they do seem to have HUD's, although they haven't been prominently displayed on the show.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:02, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::What appears to be a HUD in screencaps of "The Hand of God" seems to actually be reflection of the Viper's central display on the cockpit window. It's most evident in the first pov cockpit shot on this page, where there are several upside down DRADIS screens.[http://galactica.emedian.net/es1.10.7.html] --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 13:34, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::No HUDS in the Vipers. We haven't put gunsights in them, either. I'm not sure what the design reasons were for these decisions, but I'm guessing that it came down to VFX money that was better spent elsewhere. Our pilots simply have to be that much better. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:01, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Perhaps because a HUD would require several systems linked together via a computer, and this would be vulnerable to manipulation by the Cylons? The MkII was, after all, designed NOT to be vulnerable to this sort of attack.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== FTL and the cylons ==

What is the range of Galactica's FTL engines? I have read some were that it is 30 light years. If this si true then it means that the fleet would have jumped around 7500 light years due to all the jumps they made in '33'. So were in the galaxy are they?

Also in the show the Cylons are divided into two types. Skin jobs and Centurions. The thing is that the Cylons say that they are better than humans but they are making the same mistake the colonies made made. I say this because Ron Moore has said that the Centurions are not sentient and so are treated as expanderble, like the first cylons were treated by the Colonies. So will we ever see the Centurions rise up against there flesh and blood counter parts. {{unsigned|Viper1982}}

*I have always speculated (pure speculation) that there is NO "range" on FTL engines ''in theory''...but there is an "effective" range of ''practicality'': That is, based on Admiral Cain's order for a [[blind jump]] and the way they talk more about "plotting coordinates at such a distance" (as Ragnar) than engine range, I always ''assumed'' that an FTL Jump can take you ''anywhere'' in the universe, but "it ain't like dusting crops", and if you just go without safe coordinates, you could easily wind up in a star or planet, so it's too unsafe to use. The Cylons have better computers than the Colonials, and thus are able to plot safe jumps along longer distances in their Nav computers, that's why they can jump back to Caprica relatively easily compared to the Colonials. Theoretically (This is my longstanding *assumption*, is it correct?) Galactica could Jump across the entire galaxy...it's just so unsafe without good coordinates and the odds of winding up in a star or something so big that it's deemed not worth it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:07, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

:*I agree, there's also the question of how much fuel is invested in each FTL jump, which would also prove as a limiting factor. And if Tylium is as rare as they said it was, then they must have some form of calculating how to spend it best. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::*Exactly. If, as we speculate in the [[FTL]] article, the propulsion is wormhole-based, then it stands to reason that to make a bigger wormhole, one would need more jucie, so to speak. It also stands to reason that the further away one's desired exit point is, the more difficult it would be to pinpoint said location. An analogy- have you ever tried to land the end of a long piece of string on a particular point? It's MUCH easier to do with a shorter piece. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:12, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== Sleeper Agents ==

I have been updating an article on the Miniseries [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel) | novelization]]. The novelization gives a lot of extra info about Aaron Doral, making a big point that he is a sleeper agent. Was this from official sources or artistic license by the author? The main point is that his realization (unlike Boomer's) that he was a Cylon was easy. Also, if true, might imply that Brother Cavil from Galactica might be a sleeper agent? Thanks. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:56, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Writing a novelization involves fleshing out much of what the original presentation only hints at. To my knowledge, the extra information was not gleaned from any of the documentation/bibles used on the series. How "official" that makes it is an open question. If we don't address it in the show, then everyone's entitled to their own theory. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:55, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Was Galactica's Brother Cavil a sleeper agent, or was it never considered or discussed? Thanks, --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:05, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::We discuss a lot of stuff, but if it doesn't show up on screen, it's as if it never happened. That philosophy leaves us open to more possibilities. Was Cavil a sleeper? Until we find a story where that matters, we won't define it -- and leave you wondering. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

Cavil definitely seemed not to be a sleeper. It's odd that Boomer appears to be the only one. There should be more, I would think. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:Didn't Internal-Six same "some are sleepers" in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:25, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== Galactica's Armor Skin ==

Just to clarify more than anything - and mainly so that people can stop arguing about it. Did the Galactica always have such a patchy armour skin, or before the days of decommissioning, was it more like Pegasus in terms of looks? Here's an image as an example, just in case ;) [http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/galactica_freshrender.jpg] --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 18:56, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:I asked [[Eric Chu]] about this on the MediaBlvd messageboards, and he said the ribs were supposed to be there, so only a missle coming from a perfect 90 degree angle would connect. Of course, I think that might have just been ''his'' opinion. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::It makes sense for there to be SOME ribs, but the ventral plating (there i go, using trek terms again...) looks....oddly laid out. As though half of it has been stripped off. Look at an image of Pegasus for comparison. I know they're different classes and all, but it just seems....wrong...somethow, for the galactica to be so oddly patchy. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:09, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::To be annoyingly particular, "ventral plating" is just a phrase composed of two normal words in their normal meanings, so it is not peculiar to Star Trek. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 19:37, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Troo dat, but it sounds like it's lifted straight out of an episode of DS9 :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:45, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::(You mean dorsal plating (top); ventral plating means on the bottom). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:11, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::It's 2:38am - not work brain! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:33, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Surely the lack of armour across her entire hull hints that she did, at one time, have a full complement of armour? Perhaps the armour was being stripped off for other uses, due to the decommissioning of the ship? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:04, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::This was my point, and i'd like to believe that this is the case, although i dont want to end up being a fanboy about it - just would be nice for clarification! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==SkyOne Biography Canonicity==

We've been debating the status of some information from SkyOne for some time now: Around the Miniseries, biographies for several main characters were posted on SkyOne's website. You can wee one at the bottom of the [[William Adama]] article, as well as for [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], etc. ----->This information was taken down from SkyOne's website over a year ago. To our knowledge, BattlestarWiki is actually the only site keeping this info posted. We didn't know if it reflected [[Series bible]] things, or even if it did, if these still "counted" any more. You see I've made little notes on the bottom of each pointing out that they're not consistent with how the show turned out. For example, Galactica-Sharon's bio says she was on Galactica a different period of time, that Troy blew up recently not years ago, etc. Bits and pieces of other things are also kind of weird, and the only source for some things, i.e. Starbuck's mother's name, which honestly I don't think is official anymore. The SkyOne bios even say that Starbuck a Picon and Baltar a Sagitarron, while we had assumed both were from Caprica. --->Long story short we're debating whether to delete these from BattlestarWiki entirely, and base nothing we have on information from them, because A) The information was ''taken down'', probably because it wasn't "right" anymore, B) It actually contradicts things from aired episodes, throwing dubious light onto their status. So we wanted to know if this information from SkyOne's website, no longer extant, is invalidated. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:48, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Your definition of the series bible is accurate. Ron came up with it before the series went into production and we use it as a reference, a starting point. It isn't carved in stone. Sky One may have had access to pieces of it, but what happens on screen supercedes anything that doesn't. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

:For my part, I'm just curious as to what role the writing staff had in the creation of those bios in the first place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

::In the beginning was the bible. Then came the staff. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

==Basestar losses in Res Ship II==

In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", were both Basestars destroyed (which is what I think) or was one destroyed, and the other escaped? Some say that because we didn't see the second one explode on-screen, it might have escaped...though I thought it was implied that it was, and it was taking a pounding from not one but two battlestars focused on it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

::Cylons build tough ships and nobody's better at making repairs on machinery, so we have to follow standard Colonial Fleet procedure in this -- unless it's confirmed as destroyed (by gun cameras, witnesses, or wreckage) Galactica can only claim it as "Damaged." -- [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:::The Colonials just can't win. When the [[Wikipedia:Manfred von Richthofen|Red Baron]] scored his first kill, the brass said it was unconfirmed and didn't count. He flew into a rage, and the next time he scored a kill, while behind enemy lines, he landed, went to the downed craft and carved off the identifying insignia, and flew back to base with them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

==Webisode series==

In [http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html this article] it's said that [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]], the webisode series bridging the gap between seasons 2 and 3, will have 10 episodes. In a [http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2750 recent interview], [[David Weddle]] mentioned that the Thompson & Weddle writing team were behind the webisode series. Not giving spoilers, just clarifying production details: How long will each of the 10 webisodes run? Will they be run on TV right before season 3 starts (I assume they would). Did the Thompson & Weddle writing team write each of the 10 webisodes? Do you have any idea who directed them? (were they made by one director, or did different ones do different webisdoes?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:48, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Are the webisodes live action or animated like the Doctor Who web series? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:15, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Thanks Mr. Thompson; at first from rumors we heard we thought each segment had it's own title and the first webisode out of 10 was titled "Crossroads". Mercifull, I've heard RDM in interviews talking about people actually filming it live, plus Leah Cairns said she wasn't one of the people appearing in it, implying that live-action people actually are. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:45, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::The webisodes are all live action, using our actors - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:01, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::In determining on how we should list it here on BSG Wiki, should it be associated with Season 2 or Season 3? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:10, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm leaning towards Season 3. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:13, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Scar Podcast Transcribed==
While I personally HATE listening to recordings of myself, I thought I'd let you know that we've finished transcribing the [[Podcast:Scar|Scar podcast]] in case you interested in checking that out. We did our best, though it is sometimes hard to sort out who's who or pick up everything that is said. Any corrections are welcome. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:37, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:Let me get this straight: we lost both a "Starbuck naked in the bowels of the ship with a revolver" scene, and a "Starbuck strips off her flight suit, soaked in sweat, and takes a shower" scene from this episode? But it would have shown the mental state her character was in....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:01, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::The armed Starbuck naked in Galactica's bowels was an image Ron gave us to communicate an emotional place he wanted her to reach. It was never a scene. The soaked in sweat scene was shot but time didn't allow it to appear in the show. The shower part of it was not shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:12, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Odd, it was not included on the recent set of deleted scenes posted on Scifi.com; of course, I think they're saving most of the deleted scenes for the DVD set to encourage us to buy them...which I will. Yes, if you check our transcript for "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" when Terry Moore insists to Ron that "yes, there are 5-6 people that listen to these things the day that they're posted online"....we're about half of those people :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders

::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

==Caprica==

Are any of the current BSG writing staff considering or expressing interest in writing episodes for the prequel series ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::The issue has not yet come up. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

==Pegasus (Extended Version)==

The upcoming DVD release of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" in the Season 2.5 DVD will be the re-edited, 5-Act Extended Version of ''Pegasus''. Should we consider all of the scenes in this extended edition as non-canonical as the deleted scenes from other episodes? Many Lord of the Rings fans consider the "Extended Edition" longer DVD versions to be the "definative" version, not the theatrical release, which got me thinking on this. Case in point, there's reportedly a scene where Admiral Cain explains the technical differences between a [[Mercury class battlestar]] and a [[Galactica type battlestar]]: is this information not going to be "valid"? Much of the Deleted Scenes information we've examined previously has existed in a bizarre state of limbo on BattlestarWiki (but it's a system that works) in which we say "this is from a deleted scene and probably not canonical, but as it is not contradicted by anything (yet) its the current version" (i.e. Ellen Tigh said she'd been married to Saul Tigh for 7 years in a ''deleted'' scene, so we don't consider that ''strictly'' canonical. ——Of course the problem is, as Ron has explained in the podcasts, most BSG episodes run long (into the 50 minute range often) and many scenes are simply deleted for time (i.e. the problems that ensued when Apollo/Dualla relationship buildup scenes were cut, usually just for time, from other episodes)--->However, the difference in the Extended Version of (soon to be Hugo Award winning) "Pegasus" is that Ron has openly stated that almost ''all'' of this removed material was taken out simply for ''time'' issues, not ''story'' issues. How should we approach this material? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:03, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::There is rumor that Ron Moore is even doing a ''separate'', new podcast for the Extended Version of ''Pegasus'', co-hosted with David Eick. Is this just wild rumor?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:23, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

=="Cally Henderson"?!==

[http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1996604#Post1996604 On the Scifi Messageboard]: "''At Comic-Con, I asked the writer Bradley Thompson what Cally's first name is and he said, "Cally is her first name. Her last name is Henderson." He said he didn't think her last name was ever used in the first two seasons, but he's pretty sure it comes up in Season 3.''" ——— '''Can you ''confirm'' this?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:38, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::I'm not sure when we established Cally's surname as Henderson, but it's been in and out of several scripts. I know we originally had it in a line during the webisodes, but it vanished during a later draft. The art department has been using it to label her clothing, lockers, etc, since Ron christened her. She took Tyrol as her last name when she married the chief. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Thanks! Yes, the BSGverse is very gender-neutral, and although [[Caroline Adama]], etc. established that many women do take the surname of their husband, I wasn't entirely sure how far the gender-neutrality of everything extended (Indeed, Ron apparently has even toyed with the idea of saying that Admiral Cain's colony, Tauron, was matriarchal). But this is excellent news. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:33, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

I guess this would make her (as of season 3) "Cally Henderson Tyrol"? Actress Nicki Clyne always felt "Cally" was her first name too. How is this reconciled with how at some points in the series (I'd have to look hard to find them) people have called her "Specialist Cally", as if that were her last name (by including rank)....come to think of it, there is a possibility that no one ever actually called her "Specialist Cally" in dialogue. I will check. (Btw, while I'm on the subject, who is this "Mexichick": she's one of the regulars in Terry Moore's thread on the Scifi board, and seems to have contact with several cast or crew members).

I must say, Cally is one of the best characters on the show. She won Best Supporting Actress in our [[Golden Toaster Awards|large-scale online fan awards supported by Ron himself]], beating out Dualla, Racetrack, Kat, and Ellen Tigh (it was a landslide victory). Sorry to get so excited, but I'm a card-carrying member of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/index.php?act=idx Nicki Clyne fansite]. You see I've actually been watching Trek from Next Gen, through DS9, and then the Voyager and Enterprise years, and I really feal that "lets get ratings fast by inserting Seven of Nine! Put T'Pol in a blatant shower scene!" stuff was a big blow to scifi genre tv, as it took out a lot of seriousness and believability. I viewed Cally as the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and living embodiement of Ron's essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]]: instead of one Lara Croft-esque supersoldier Hot Space Babe [TM] main character surrounded by redshirts, on BSG Cally is a *third tier character* and a *female* who gets incredible development and characterization (note: I AM a male aged 18 to 25, it's just that even WE got sick of 7 of 9 and T'Pol).

A few of use on the messageboards in early 2005 just said "hey, that girl from the Miniseries was cool, we hope we see her more"...then came "[[Bastille Day]]" and her popularity exploded. She's the girl next door. And it just became a treat to see she was in and episode, like "Six Degrees of Separation", or "Flight of the Phoenix", or Fragged and Resistance (her standout episodes). It's the same reason we like Kat and Racetrack: they're well rounded, secondary female characters; and like Tyrol and Helo, minor characters can *actually die* in a given episode, increasing the tension. (I.e. Starbuck wouldn't die in Scar, but Kat might have, so I was actually invested in her fate).

And Cally just gradually grew into this really popular character online, from the grassroots up. Some people think it's a joke, but it's because we seriously like the actress and character and think it's one of the elements of scifi genre tv that BSG has fixed.

Btw, have you decided what colony she is from yet? (That is, will it be mentioned in Season 3?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:55, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::Not yet. Hasn't been relevant so far in 3, but we've got seven more shows to break. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[Exodus!]] v. [[Exodus, Part I]] ==

Is there going to be any simularities between the ''Marvel comic'' and these episode's? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:22, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would doubt it, Shane, because afaik the Exodus comic was an adaptation of ''Saga of a Star World''. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. I realized it a little late, but hey, it could happen. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:07, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cally vs Caprica-Sharon ==

I've been listenning through the writer's podcasts that Ron put up on Scifi.com, like the one for "Sacrifice" etc. -->Was a scene of Caprica-Sharon bumping into Cally in a ''Galactica'' hallway ever filmed and was then deleted? I'd assume that Cally would encounter ''Galactica''-Sharon (one she shot) on New Caprica next season, so if that other scene was never filmed I guess this would be their first encounter. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

==Tyrol's Pegasus service==
In "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Chief Tyrol listed off that he had served on Battlestars ''Atlantia'', ''Columbia'', and ''Pegasus'', since he was 18. This was actually the first time ''Pegasus'' was mentioned in the series, and it led some to speculate that Tyrol knew some of the ''Pegasus'' crew from before: in an intervew, Aaron Douglas said that a fan asked him about this at a convention, and he said he had never realized that about the referrence, and as far as he knew his character's behind-the-scenes backstory contained nothing particular about his time on ''Pegasus'', (i.e. he didn't really have a relationship with anyone on it, he just served on it along with a dozen other ships); however he said he didn't know what the writers intended. Was there supposed to be any higher significance behind this?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:52, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

==Helmets==

I've noticed that the helmets the piliots wear in Season 2 are different from the ones used through Season 1; were they changed because the actors thought the old ones were too bulky or something? I liked what Ron and David said on the Miniseries DVD commentary, that it's kind of weird but cool how the helmets scrunch the faces of the pilots so they look like they're in an entirely different world (i.e. Grace Park's face looks drastically different when she puts a helmet on, and Jamie and Katee too) so it doesn't just look like "a person on a soundstage" but seems more like they're actually in this other environment. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:31, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:Just thought I'd note the helmet discussion at the end of act two in the [[Podcast:The Captain's Hand#Act 2|Captain's Hand podcast]]. In it, Ron indicated there were some lighting and sound problems with earlier models. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:08, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

== RE: Military Ships ==

Dear Brad,

I like to thank you for joining the discussions on BattlestarWiki. It's nice to see cast and crew and even producers talk to the fans, and act politely compared to many pompous skinjobs out in the frakking world. The question I pose to you, is that I'm aware of a statement Cylon Number 0, also known as "Ronald D. Moore" said in his Scifi Podcast that the Battlestars had support ships in the fleet in Battlestar Groups, analogous to modern day Aircraft Carriers. What I want to know is that the possibility of ALL military ships being destroyed is very how to say; unrealistic. That's not to say that this series has been unrealistic, the fact that many in the Colonial Military reverted to networking after a semi recent war with heuristic machines seems about right with human nature and their lazy ways. But to get back to the point, would it be likely that some military vessels (besides the obvious, Galactica and Pegasus) survived. Many have pointed out that the Todd Boyce fan produced ship model, the 'Defender' has been seen, but I'm not sure how to take this as an "official" military spacecraft. If so, can they maybe rejoin the fleet? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:49, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:Not meaning to speak for Mr. Thompson, but A) Within the mythology of the show, Galactica is the "Last battlestar" and Pegasus is the "shockingly, another ship that survived" B) It's not unrealistic given that the Cylons through Caprica-Six had information on the tactical deployment of ''all'' ships within the Fleet, knew where every single one was, etc. Ships smaller than battlestars could not survive against the Cylon fleet on their lonesome. I am unaware of anyone pointing to any fan-produced ship models. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:19, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::I did some checking and found [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/colonialshipdescriptions.html this page] (Scroll down a bit): rather than "Undeniably canon", I see a similar ship to the design this guy made, propably the same basic CGI model, but that's ''hardly'' another surviving military ship. They just used the basic CGI model as another Rag Tag Fleet civilian ship. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:18, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm not trying to start a text war, I was just meaning to ask a question to Mr. Thompson, which you seemed to answer on a matter of your personal opinion. I'm not one to doubt what you said, since your answer has some validity to it, but I won't take this as a solid answer unless Mr. Thompson says so. Also what's not to say that the design wasn't used as intended; many ships in the fleet have yet to be designated a definitive role. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 21:25, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Oh I'm not answering it I'm just putting my thoughts on the matter out. I must admit it was a pretty good question, given the uncanny resemblance of the CGI model and the ship in the screenshot.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:58, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::Then again, I was thinking not about like other Battlestars, more like cruisers or the Colonial Analog of Coast Guard Cutters. That would be an interesting plot point or strategic matter in later episodes.--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 18:42, 9 August 2006 (CDT)

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==Squadron numbers==
How many Vipers are in a "squadron" in the terminology used by the Colonial Fleet? I ask because in "[[Scar]]" Roslin said they were getting enough metal ore to build "two squadrons" of Vipers. Is a squadron 10? 12? 20? If a squadron is 20, this would be a dramatic increase.

While I'm on the subject, we've ''speculated'' that based on this dialogue, [[Mercury class battlestar]]s have some sort of limited Viper production facilities but the exact nature of such facilities eludes us.--->Another problem has come up regarding information from ''Battlestar Galactica Magazine'': it's information isn't always quite accurate and when I asked Ron (via Mrs.Ron) on the messageboards, he said they aren't directly affiliated with the magazine in any way, so I don't know how this fits--> in issue #3, they say:

:"A Battlestar's air wing generally consists of six to eight squadrons (20 ships each)...20 Vipers also form a reserve unit to replace lost or damaged ships on an ad hoc basis. Each squadron is also supported by a single Raptor" (P.59)

Is this magazine information accurate? Are there 20 Vipers to a squadron? How many Vipers is Galactica capable of carrying (that is, during its prime when it was a new ship in the Cylon War, how many Vipers is it meant to support?): How many can a Mercury-class Battlestar like ''Pegasus'' hold? --->Based on these magazine numbers, there should only have been 6-8 at most Raptors on Galactica (during it's prime, so by the time of the Cylon attack probably less): In "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" we see 20 Raptors jump to Caprica; Pegasus probably had an equal number of Raptors on board, but where did so many Raptors come from? Can Pegasus construct Raptors just like Vipers? Or (my explanation), are there just many refugee Raptors which escaped to Ragnar, because they've got their own FTL drives? I mean Boomer escaped all the way from Caprica to Ragnar, and Crashdown was stated as being a refugee from another ship, so presumably a few other Raptors made it out (well, that's our assumption. I still think its entirely plausible and not a stretch that there were 20 though). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:53, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:In the [[Miniseries]], a total of ninteen [[Vipers]] are shown on screen (at approx. 47 minutes, 25 seconds in), supported by a single [[Raptor]] ([[Boomer]] and [[Helo]]). It's safe to assume that the 20th ship was merely off-screen. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::You don't understand, the number on parade for the Miniseries decomissioning isn't clearly reflecting "a squadron", more specifically referring to just how many were built in "Scar" if "two squadrons" were built. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:46, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:::True, but Adama does refer to them as "our squadron", that's the basis I was going on. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:49, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica Chain of Command==
in "[[Scattered]]", Commander Adama is shot so his XO Colonel Tigh takes command, while Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] then becomes his acting XO. Is Captain Kelly ''normally'' third-in-command of ''Galactica'' (well, before the many promotions and shifting assignments in Season 2.5 post-"Pegasus")? Or is Apollo normally third in command, but because he was arrested for mutiny, he was removed from the normal succession?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:11, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:Captain Kelly would undoubtadely be the "third in command", or more correctly, the "Second Officer". Captain Adama is the Commander of the Air Group- if, as much of the rest of the show suggests, the Colonial Fleet closely follws the US military's organization, then Apollo would not be directly involved in the day-to-day running of Galactica ''herself'', merely the air group stationed aboard her. Thoughts? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:48, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==Timeline==
The [[season two timeline discontinuity]] left us all a bit baffled. Can you help clarify matters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:40, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
::This one gives me a headache. We were advised by post-production that we may have goofed in the timeline. There were large pow-wows between writers and post trying to sort this out. If memory serves (and it is highly suspect), the issue was a chyron that was subsequently changed -- or not changed -- for the DVD release of Season 2.5. But don't hold me to that. These discussions went on for days and I'm not anxious to revisit them. I do know that what we came up with made sense at the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:05, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Those are actually two separate things: yes, there was a mistake in post for "Downloaded": the card at the beginning says "10 weeks ago", which would have been impossible. The messageboards were in an uproar, and apparently, Joe (owner of BattlestarWiki) e-mailed the post production office and showed them our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] article, showing how it was a clear mix up in post: They sent us an e-mail ''back'' saying that it would be fixed in the Season 2.5 DVD and all subsequent international airings: Fans in the UK have confirmed to us that when "Downloaded" premiered in the UK, the sign was changed to "10 weeks ''later''".----->However, what we've dubbed the "season 2.5 timeline discontinuity" is different from that, but I think it's more something we're waiting for Ron to explain in his Scifi.com blog. --->Basically, there was a jump in time of about 2-3 months between "Pegasus" and "Res Ship I", which we've been trying to explain but can't: All dates ''within'' season 2.5 are consistent with each other, but not with the earlier half of season 2. That is, we worked out that "Pegasus" must take place around three months post-attack, but then in "Res Ship I" Admiral Cain said "Six month" had passed since the attack: at first we thought it was a random dialogue error, at first, but then the rest of Season 2.5 consistently used this, i.e. in "Downloaded" [[Hera]] is born 9 months after the Cylon attack (one month premature, as she was conceived on Day 24). The reason we encountered the "season 2 timeline discontinuity" is that there are a few things that are not really reconcilable, which are:
::::A) Caprica-Sharon is not visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" while wearing a tight tank top, but by "Epiphanies" (at most, two weeks later) she is visibly into her second trimester. Her "Pegasus" appearance fits our initial "three months" dating, while her "Epiphanies" appearance appears to have fast fowarded three months.
::::B) The Presidential elections are stated to take place Nine months after the Cylon attack, however in "[[Bastille Day]]" Apollo said they'd take place in Seven months, and one month later in "[[Colonial Day]]" they said they would take place in Six month (so season 1 consistently says they're 7 months post-attack). ***Ron himself actually says in the LDYB I podcast, "we said in "Bastille Day" that elections were due in Nine months", so we think not even Ron noticed this.
::::C) The last point is a bit complicated, but follows our detailed Timeline: the last firm date we got from the Helo-on-Caprica ticker was that season 2 begins Two months after the attack. Scattered through Fragged span a day or two, then Resistance (ground team wasn't on Kobol very long). In "Resistance", Cally killed ''Galactica''-Sharon and was sent to the brig for 30 days as a result. Cally gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix". --->Colonel Tigh was in command of ''Galatica'' for less than two weeks, more probably one, a command which ended in "Resistance" when Adama returned. Anyway, in FotP Roslin is told she has one month at the ''most'' to live. That means at most one month passes between this scene and "Epiphanies", when she's dying. --->It is stated that "weeks" pass during FotP while Tyrol builds the Blackbird, and this is actually the episode which includes the longest amount of time from beginning to end; we assumed it took maybe 2, but it could have taken many weeks. In any event, we figured out that Flight of the Phoenix ''starts'' about two and a half months after the attack, a lot of time passes during the episode, and by the ''end'', Roslin has one month to live. "Epiphanies" states it took place Six months post-attack, subtracting one month for Roslin life expectancy, the end of Flight of the Phoenix would have to be at Five months poast attack....which would mean that during the episode, 2 months pass while Tyrol builds the Blackbird (which would be a lot given that all of season 1 lasted just two months).
:::Actually, Tyrol could conceivably have spent that long building the Blackbird, Caprica-Sharon's gestation could have just been really fast because she's a Cylon, and some Canadian viewers have pointed out to us that when an election "is called" in a Parliamentary system isn't the same as when the actual voting is held, and that in like Canada and the UK 2 months can pass after an eleciton "starts" and the voting, which could explain all of this (although Ron states in the podcast that as he remembers it, Bastille Day actually just said "Nine").------->We actually don't want to split hairs and be the Comic Book Guy pointing out how in a Xena episode, in one frame she's riding a winged Andalusian horse, while in the next shot she's riding a winged Arabian, and surely we must demand explanation: (this is from a Simpsons episode guest starring Lucy Lawless in which she appears as herself at a convention, and her answer is: "Every time something like that happens, a wizard did it. Wizard!" We've had a hard time keeping track of things ourselves and we appreciate everything the production team is doing on BSG....we take hours upon hours away from friends and family to update this dang encyclopedia (nay, we are compelled)! --->We just want to know what to do in our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]]. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:17, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Unfortunately, you're going to be forced to the conclusion that wizards did it. At least for now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Guns nomenclature==
(BTW, thank you for taking the time to read all of these.): A matter which has come up is what to refer to the guns in BSG as. That is, on Star Trek we'd have an article title "Phasers", and have subsectios talking about ship-mounted phasers and various models of hand phasers. On BSG, are the ship-mounted guns railguns, officially? Do Cylon Basestars have gun batteries like Battlestars? In our own analysis, we thought they didn't (except for missiles) and that while both Battlestars and Basestars are Carrier/Battleship hybrids, a Battlestar is more battleship than a basestar and a basestar leans more towards carrier: that they rely on sheer weight of numbers and hundreds upon hundreds of Raiders, at the expense of having no room left over for railgun batteries (so if you lure the hundreds of Raiders away, they're at a disadvantage to Battlestars, as in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]). ---->Meanwhile, like I said in Trek we'd have an article for "hand phasers", but on BSG we've just got "guns". And for Vipers, what do Vipers have? ---->My point is, we've been using the term "[[Kinetic Energy Weapon]]s" for the name of an article on all of this, but we're not sure if this is in anyway what the show itself uses. This many seem like a minor point, I know, but after we started using "KEW", simply as a term of convenience on the Viper articles and such...other fansites and messageboards I've seen read ''BattlestarWiki'' and I think they assume it's an official term. So if this is not what people in the BSGverse refer to their guns as, I think I should add a disclaimer or something (just like "Note: KEW is not an official term"). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:In short, is "[[KEW]]" a correct termology of the "guns" of Battlestar(s)? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::[Spock]I believe that is what I said, Mr. Shane [/Spock]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:52, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::Just a simple explain. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:17, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::::During rewrites of Epiphanes, we ran into this same question, at least in terms of Viper ordnance. The writing staff originally proposed chemically propelled projectiles (easier to sabotage) but Gary Hutzel protested. He preferred rail guns, and that's what we adopted, but nobody's said it on screen. Which means there is no canon on our cannons yet ;) [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::The plot thinkens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:25, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::The visual evidence on Epiphanies seems to suggest chemically propelled projectiles. However, since railguns are still a form of KEW, do the production staff ever refer to them as KEW? We are trying to verify if the term [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]] is an "official" term. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:50, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm pretty sure it's just something one of us came up with. It's been proposed that we go to a more generic "Weapons" over on the talk page of that article. It's not like we have an article for each different "kind" of weapon at this point.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::The broken cartridge (with what appeared to be gunpowder spilling out) did seem to point to chemical propulsion. And not even caseless (as had been proposed during the [[miniseries]]). Oh well. As long as something comes out whenever they pull the trigger, I suppose. The (rail gun/Gary Hutzel discussion) is an awesome piece of trivia! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

"Kinetic Energy Weapon" and "KEW" are terms I first saw used by the US Air Force in a book called MILITARY SPACE FORCES commissioned by the US Congress and published in 1989. As to its "official" nature on Galactica, I'm sure they'd use the term where appropriate, just as they use the terms "nuclear weapon" or "noodle."
The Rail guns aboard the Vipers fire a mix of tracer/incendiary, armor piercing and explosive rounds, in various ratios depending upon mission requirements, so not all their projectiles are strictly kinetic. - And the powder in the degraded projectile might have been chemical explosive used in the HE rounds. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:14, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:Can I ask, then, why chemically-propelled ordnance was rejected? I ask mainly because rail guns as we know them (theoretically) propel ordnance at a percentage of the speed of light- which, it stands to reason, would be far faster than any chemically-propelled weaponry, such as missiles. However, in the [[Miniseries]], when the fleet is escaping [[Ragnar]], the shells fired by both Galatica and her Vipers do not seem to be travelling much faster than the missiles fired by the enemy vessels.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::Here we're stuck with what we can actually SEE in order to make exciting visual storytelling. Just as the Vipers and Raiders have been slowed down and moved closer than they would "really" be so we can enjoy cool shots, the weaponry has also been made viewer friendly. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:43, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

== No HUD's in Vipers? ==

I've noticed that the Colonial Vipers don't seem to be equipped with any type of Heads-Up Display (HUD) or any such device. I was wondering if this was a design feature of the Vipers or if it was born simply as a way to reduce the number of VFX elements in a cockpit shot. Also, without a HUD, is there some other form of gunsight in the pilot's line of sight? --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 15:55, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:Actually, if you look really hard at screenshots from "The Hand of God", etc., they do seem to have HUD's, although they haven't been prominently displayed on the show.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:02, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::What appears to be a HUD in screencaps of "The Hand of God" seems to actually be reflection of the Viper's central display on the cockpit window. It's most evident in the first pov cockpit shot on this page, where there are several upside down DRADIS screens.[http://galactica.emedian.net/es1.10.7.html] --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 13:34, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::No HUDS in the Vipers. We haven't put gunsights in them, either. I'm not sure what the design reasons were for these decisions, but I'm guessing that it came down to VFX money that was better spent elsewhere. Our pilots simply have to be that much better. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:01, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Perhaps because a HUD would require several systems linked together via a computer, and this would be vulnerable to manipulation by the Cylons? The MkII was, after all, designed NOT to be vulnerable to this sort of attack.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== FTL and the cylons ==

What is the range of Galactica's FTL engines? I have read some were that it is 30 light years. If this si true then it means that the fleet would have jumped around 7500 light years due to all the jumps they made in '33'. So were in the galaxy are they?

Also in the show the Cylons are divided into two types. Skin jobs and Centurions. The thing is that the Cylons say that they are better than humans but they are making the same mistake the colonies made made. I say this because Ron Moore has said that the Centurions are not sentient and so are treated as expanderble, like the first cylons were treated by the Colonies. So will we ever see the Centurions rise up against there flesh and blood counter parts. {{unsigned|Viper1982}}

*I have always speculated (pure speculation) that there is NO "range" on FTL engines ''in theory''...but there is an "effective" range of ''practicality'': That is, based on Admiral Cain's order for a [[blind jump]] and the way they talk more about "plotting coordinates at such a distance" (as Ragnar) than engine range, I always ''assumed'' that an FTL Jump can take you ''anywhere'' in the universe, but "it ain't like dusting crops", and if you just go without safe coordinates, you could easily wind up in a star or planet, so it's too unsafe to use. The Cylons have better computers than the Colonials, and thus are able to plot safe jumps along longer distances in their Nav computers, that's why they can jump back to Caprica relatively easily compared to the Colonials. Theoretically (This is my longstanding *assumption*, is it correct?) Galactica could Jump across the entire galaxy...it's just so unsafe without good coordinates and the odds of winding up in a star or something so big that it's deemed not worth it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:07, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

:*I agree, there's also the question of how much fuel is invested in each FTL jump, which would also prove as a limiting factor. And if Tylium is as rare as they said it was, then they must have some form of calculating how to spend it best. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::*Exactly. If, as we speculate in the [[FTL]] article, the propulsion is wormhole-based, then it stands to reason that to make a bigger wormhole, one would need more jucie, so to speak. It also stands to reason that the further away one's desired exit point is, the more difficult it would be to pinpoint said location. An analogy- have you ever tried to land the end of a long piece of string on a particular point? It's MUCH easier to do with a shorter piece. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:12, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== Sleeper Agents ==

I have been updating an article on the Miniseries [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel) | novelization]]. The novelization gives a lot of extra info about Aaron Doral, making a big point that he is a sleeper agent. Was this from official sources or artistic license by the author? The main point is that his realization (unlike Boomer's) that he was a Cylon was easy. Also, if true, might imply that Brother Cavil from Galactica might be a sleeper agent? Thanks. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:56, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Writing a novelization involves fleshing out much of what the original presentation only hints at. To my knowledge, the extra information was not gleaned from any of the documentation/bibles used on the series. How "official" that makes it is an open question. If we don't address it in the show, then everyone's entitled to their own theory. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:55, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Was Galactica's Brother Cavil a sleeper agent, or was it never considered or discussed? Thanks, --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:05, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::We discuss a lot of stuff, but if it doesn't show up on screen, it's as if it never happened. That philosophy leaves us open to more possibilities. Was Cavil a sleeper? Until we find a story where that matters, we won't define it -- and leave you wondering. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

Cavil definitely seemed not to be a sleeper. It's odd that Boomer appears to be the only one. There should be more, I would think. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:Didn't Internal-Six same "some are sleepers" in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:25, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== Galactica's Armor Skin ==

Just to clarify more than anything - and mainly so that people can stop arguing about it. Did the Galactica always have such a patchy armour skin, or before the days of decommissioning, was it more like Pegasus in terms of looks? Here's an image as an example, just in case ;) [http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/galactica_freshrender.jpg] --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 18:56, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:I asked [[Eric Chu]] about this on the MediaBlvd messageboards, and he said the ribs were supposed to be there, so only a missle coming from a perfect 90 degree angle would connect. Of course, I think that might have just been ''his'' opinion. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::It makes sense for there to be SOME ribs, but the ventral plating (there i go, using trek terms again...) looks....oddly laid out. As though half of it has been stripped off. Look at an image of Pegasus for comparison. I know they're different classes and all, but it just seems....wrong...somethow, for the galactica to be so oddly patchy. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:09, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::To be annoyingly particular, "ventral plating" is just a phrase composed of two normal words in their normal meanings, so it is not peculiar to Star Trek. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 19:37, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Troo dat, but it sounds like it's lifted straight out of an episode of DS9 :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:45, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::(You mean dorsal plating (top); ventral plating means on the bottom). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:11, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::It's 2:38am - not work brain! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:33, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Surely the lack of armour across her entire hull hints that she did, at one time, have a full complement of armour? Perhaps the armour was being stripped off for other uses, due to the decommissioning of the ship? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:04, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::This was my point, and i'd like to believe that this is the case, although i dont want to end up being a fanboy about it - just would be nice for clarification! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==SkyOne Biography Canonicity==

We've been debating the status of some information from SkyOne for some time now: Around the Miniseries, biographies for several main characters were posted on SkyOne's website. You can wee one at the bottom of the [[William Adama]] article, as well as for [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], etc. ----->This information was taken down from SkyOne's website over a year ago. To our knowledge, BattlestarWiki is actually the only site keeping this info posted. We didn't know if it reflected [[Series bible]] things, or even if it did, if these still "counted" any more. You see I've made little notes on the bottom of each pointing out that they're not consistent with how the show turned out. For example, Galactica-Sharon's bio says she was on Galactica a different period of time, that Troy blew up recently not years ago, etc. Bits and pieces of other things are also kind of weird, and the only source for some things, i.e. Starbuck's mother's name, which honestly I don't think is official anymore. The SkyOne bios even say that Starbuck a Picon and Baltar a Sagitarron, while we had assumed both were from Caprica. --->Long story short we're debating whether to delete these from BattlestarWiki entirely, and base nothing we have on information from them, because A) The information was ''taken down'', probably because it wasn't "right" anymore, B) It actually contradicts things from aired episodes, throwing dubious light onto their status. So we wanted to know if this information from SkyOne's website, no longer extant, is invalidated. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:48, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Your definition of the series bible is accurate. Ron came up with it before the series went into production and we use it as a reference, a starting point. It isn't carved in stone. Sky One may have had access to pieces of it, but what happens on screen supercedes anything that doesn't. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

:For my part, I'm just curious as to what role the writing staff had in the creation of those bios in the first place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

::In the beginning was the bible. Then came the staff. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

==Basestar losses in Res Ship II==

In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", were both Basestars destroyed (which is what I think) or was one destroyed, and the other escaped? Some say that because we didn't see the second one explode on-screen, it might have escaped...though I thought it was implied that it was, and it was taking a pounding from not one but two battlestars focused on it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

::Cylons build tough ships and nobody's better at making repairs on machinery, so we have to follow standard Colonial Fleet procedure in this -- unless it's confirmed as destroyed (by gun cameras, witnesses, or wreckage) Galactica can only claim it as "Damaged." -- [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:::The Colonials just can't win. When the [[Wikipedia:Manfred von Richthofen|Red Baron]] scored his first kill, the brass said it was unconfirmed and didn't count. He flew into a rage, and the next time he scored a kill, while behind enemy lines, he landed, went to the downed craft and carved off the identifying insignia, and flew back to base with them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

==Webisode series==

In [http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html this article] it's said that [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]], the webisode series bridging the gap between seasons 2 and 3, will have 10 episodes. In a [http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2750 recent interview], [[David Weddle]] mentioned that the Thompson & Weddle writing team were behind the webisode series. Not giving spoilers, just clarifying production details: How long will each of the 10 webisodes run? Will they be run on TV right before season 3 starts (I assume they would). Did the Thompson & Weddle writing team write each of the 10 webisodes? Do you have any idea who directed them? (were they made by one director, or did different ones do different webisdoes?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:48, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Are the webisodes live action or animated like the Doctor Who web series? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:15, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Thanks Mr. Thompson; at first from rumors we heard we thought each segment had it's own title and the first webisode out of 10 was titled "Crossroads". Mercifull, I've heard RDM in interviews talking about people actually filming it live, plus Leah Cairns said she wasn't one of the people appearing in it, implying that live-action people actually are. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:45, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::The webisodes are all live action, using our actors - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:01, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::In determining on how we should list it here on BSG Wiki, should it be associated with Season 2 or Season 3? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:10, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm leaning towards Season 3. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:13, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Scar Podcast Transcribed==
While I personally HATE listening to recordings of myself, I thought I'd let you know that we've finished transcribing the [[Podcast:Scar|Scar podcast]] in case you interested in checking that out. We did our best, though it is sometimes hard to sort out who's who or pick up everything that is said. Any corrections are welcome. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:37, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:Let me get this straight: we lost both a "Starbuck naked in the bowels of the ship with a revolver" scene, and a "Starbuck strips off her flight suit, soaked in sweat, and takes a shower" scene from this episode? But it would have shown the mental state her character was in....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:01, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::The armed Starbuck naked in Galactica's bowels was an image Ron gave us to communicate an emotional place he wanted her to reach. It was never a scene. The soaked in sweat scene was shot but time didn't allow it to appear in the show. The shower part of it was not shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:12, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Odd, it was not included on the recent set of deleted scenes posted on Scifi.com; of course, I think they're saving most of the deleted scenes for the DVD set to encourage us to buy them...which I will. Yes, if you check our transcript for "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" when Terry Moore insists to Ron that "yes, there are 5-6 people that listen to these things the day that they're posted online"....we're about half of those people :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders

::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

==Caprica==

Are any of the current BSG writing staff considering or expressing interest in writing episodes for the prequel series ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::The issue has not yet come up. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

==Pegasus (Extended Version)==

The upcoming DVD release of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" in the Season 2.5 DVD will be the re-edited, 5-Act Extended Version of ''Pegasus''. Should we consider all of the scenes in this extended edition as non-canonical as the deleted scenes from other episodes? Many Lord of the Rings fans consider the "Extended Edition" longer DVD versions to be the "definative" version, not the theatrical release, which got me thinking on this. Case in point, there's reportedly a scene where Admiral Cain explains the technical differences between a [[Mercury class battlestar]] and a [[Galactica type battlestar]]: is this information not going to be "valid"? Much of the Deleted Scenes information we've examined previously has existed in a bizarre state of limbo on BattlestarWiki (but it's a system that works) in which we say "this is from a deleted scene and probably not canonical, but as it is not contradicted by anything (yet) its the current version" (i.e. Ellen Tigh said she'd been married to Saul Tigh for 7 years in a ''deleted'' scene, so we don't consider that ''strictly'' canonical. ——Of course the problem is, as Ron has explained in the podcasts, most BSG episodes run long (into the 50 minute range often) and many scenes are simply deleted for time (i.e. the problems that ensued when Apollo/Dualla relationship buildup scenes were cut, usually just for time, from other episodes)--->However, the difference in the Extended Version of (soon to be Hugo Award winning) "Pegasus" is that Ron has openly stated that almost ''all'' of this removed material was taken out simply for ''time'' issues, not ''story'' issues. How should we approach this material? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:03, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::There is rumor that Ron Moore is even doing a ''separate'', new podcast for the Extended Version of ''Pegasus'', co-hosted with David Eick. Is this just wild rumor?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:23, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

=="Cally Henderson"?!==

[http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1996604#Post1996604 On the Scifi Messageboard]: "''At Comic-Con, I asked the writer Bradley Thompson what Cally's first name is and he said, "Cally is her first name. Her last name is Henderson." He said he didn't think her last name was ever used in the first two seasons, but he's pretty sure it comes up in Season 3.''" ——— '''Can you ''confirm'' this?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:38, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::I'm not sure when we established Cally's surname as Henderson, but it's been in and out of several scripts. I know we originally had it in a line during the webisodes, but it vanished during a later draft. The art department has been using it to label her clothing, lockers, etc, since Ron christened her. She took Tyrol as her last name when she married the chief. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Thanks! Yes, the BSGverse is very gender-neutral, and although [[Caroline Adama]], etc. established that many women do take the surname of their husband, I wasn't entirely sure how far the gender-neutrality of everything extended (Indeed, Ron apparently has even toyed with the idea of saying that Admiral Cain's colony, Tauron, was matriarchal). But this is excellent news. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:33, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

I guess this would make her (as of season 3) "Cally Henderson Tyrol"? Actress Nicki Clyne always felt "Cally" was her first name too. How is this reconciled with how at some points in the series (I'd have to look hard to find them) people have called her "Specialist Cally", as if that were her last name (by including rank)....come to think of it, there is a possibility that no one ever actually called her "Specialist Cally" in dialogue. I will check. (Btw, while I'm on the subject, who is this "Mexichick": she's one of the regulars in Terry Moore's thread on the Scifi board, and seems to have contact with several cast or crew members).

I must say, Cally is one of the best characters on the show. She won Best Supporting Actress in our [[Golden Toaster Awards|large-scale online fan awards supported by Ron himself]], beating out Dualla, Racetrack, Kat, and Ellen Tigh (it was a landslide victory). Sorry to get so excited, but I'm a card-carrying member of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/index.php?act=idx Nicki Clyne fansite]. You see I've actually been watching Trek from Next Gen, through DS9, and then the Voyager and Enterprise years, and I really feal that "lets get ratings fast by inserting Seven of Nine! Put T'Pol in a blatant shower scene!" stuff was a big blow to scifi genre tv, as it took out a lot of seriousness and believability. I viewed Cally as the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and living embodiement of Ron's essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]]: instead of one Lara Croft-esque supersoldier Hot Space Babe [TM] main character surrounded by redshirts, on BSG Cally is a *third tier character* and a *female* who gets incredible development and characterization (note: I AM a male aged 18 to 25, it's just that even WE got sick of 7 of 9 and T'Pol).

A few of use on the messageboards in early 2005 just said "hey, that girl from the Miniseries was cool, we hope we see her more"...then came "[[Bastille Day]]" and her popularity exploded. She's the girl next door. And it just became a treat to see she was in and episode, like "Six Degrees of Separation", or "Flight of the Phoenix", or Fragged and Resistance (her standout episodes). It's the same reason we like Kat and Racetrack: they're well rounded, secondary female characters; and like Tyrol and Helo, minor characters can *actually die* in a given episode, increasing the tension. (I.e. Starbuck wouldn't die in Scar, but Kat might have, so I was actually invested in her fate).

And Cally just gradually grew into this really popular character online, from the grassroots up. Some people think it's a joke, but it's because we seriously like the actress and character and think it's one of the elements of scifi genre tv that BSG has fixed.

Btw, have you decided what colony she is from yet? (That is, will it be mentioned in Season 3?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:55, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::Not yet. Hasn't been relevant so far in 3, but we've got seven more shows to break. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[Exodus!]] v. [[Exodus, Part I]] ==

Is there going to be any simularities between the ''Marvel comic'' and these episode's? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:22, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would doubt it, Shane, because afaik the Exodus comic was an adaptation of ''Saga of a Star World''. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. I realized it a little late, but hey, it could happen. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:07, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cally vs Caprica-Sharon ==

I've been listenning through the writer's podcasts that Ron put up on Scifi.com, like the one for "Sacrifice" etc. -->Was a scene of Caprica-Sharon bumping into Cally in a ''Galactica'' hallway ever filmed and was then deleted? I'd assume that Cally would encounter ''Galactica''-Sharon (one she shot) on New Caprica next season, so if that other scene was never filmed I guess this would be their first encounter. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

==Tyrol's Pegasus service==
In "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Chief Tyrol listed off that he had served on Battlestars ''Atlantia'', ''Columbia'', and ''Pegasus'', since he was 18. This was actually the first time ''Pegasus'' was mentioned in the series, and it led some to speculate that Tyrol knew some of the ''Pegasus'' crew from before: in an intervew, Aaron Douglas said that a fan asked him about this at a convention, and he said he had never realized that about the referrence, and as far as he knew his character's behind-the-scenes backstory contained nothing particular about his time on ''Pegasus'', (i.e. he didn't really have a relationship with anyone on it, he just served on it along with a dozen other ships); however he said he didn't know what the writers intended. Was there supposed to be any higher significance behind this?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:52, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

==Helmets==

I've noticed that the helmets the piliots wear in Season 2 are different from the ones used through Season 1; were they changed because the actors thought the old ones were too bulky or something? I liked what Ron and David said on the Miniseries DVD commentary, that it's kind of weird but cool how the helmets scrunch the faces of the pilots so they look like they're in an entirely different world (i.e. Grace Park's face looks drastically different when she puts a helmet on, and Jamie and Katee too) so it doesn't just look like "a person on a soundstage" but seems more like they're actually in this other environment. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:31, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:Just thought I'd note the helmet discussion at the end of act two in the [[Podcast:The Captain's Hand#Act 2|Captain's Hand podcast]]. In it, Ron indicated there were some lighting and sound problems with earlier models. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:08, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

== RE: Military Ships ==

Dear Brad,

I like to thank you for joining the discussions on BattlestarWiki. It's nice to see cast and crew and even producers talk to the fans, and act politely compared to many pompous skinjobs out in the frakking world. The question I pose to you, is that I'm aware of a statement Cylon Number 0, also known as "Ronald D. Moore" said in his Scifi Podcast that the Battlestars had support ships in the fleet in Battlestar Groups, analogous to modern day Aircraft Carriers. What I want to know is that the possibility of ALL military ships being destroyed is very how to say; unrealistic. That's not to say that this series has been unrealistic, the fact that many in the Colonial Military reverted to networking after a semi recent war with heuristic machines seems about right with human nature and their lazy ways. But to get back to the point, would it be likely that some military vessels (besides the obvious, Galactica and Pegasus) survived. Many have pointed out that the Todd Boyce fan produced ship model, the 'Defender' has been seen, but I'm not sure how to take this as an "official" military spacecraft. If so, can they maybe rejoin the fleet? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:49, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:Not meaning to speak for Mr. Thompson, but A) Within the mythology of the show, Galactica is the "Last battlestar" and Pegasus is the "shockingly, another ship that survived" B) It's not unrealistic given that the Cylons through Caprica-Six had information on the tactical deployment of ''all'' ships within the Fleet, knew where every single one was, etc. Ships smaller than battlestars could not survive against the Cylon fleet on their lonesome. I am unaware of anyone pointing to any fan-produced ship models. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:19, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::I did some checking and found [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/colonialshipdescriptions.html this page] (Scroll down a bit): rather than "Undeniably canon", I see a similar ship to the design this guy made, propably the same basic CGI model, but that's ''hardly'' another surviving military ship. They just used the basic CGI model as another Rag Tag Fleet civilian ship. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:18, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm not trying to start a text war, I was just meaning to ask a question to Mr. Thompson, which you seemed to answer on a matter of your personal opinion. I'm not one to doubt what you said, since your answer has some validity to it, but I won't take this as a solid answer unless Mr. Thompson says so. Also what's not to say that the design wasn't used as intended; many ships in the fleet have yet to be designated a definitive role. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 21:25, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

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==Squadron numbers==
How many Vipers are in a "squadron" in the terminology used by the Colonial Fleet? I ask because in "[[Scar]]" Roslin said they were getting enough metal ore to build "two squadrons" of Vipers. Is a squadron 10? 12? 20? If a squadron is 20, this would be a dramatic increase.

While I'm on the subject, we've ''speculated'' that based on this dialogue, [[Mercury class battlestar]]s have some sort of limited Viper production facilities but the exact nature of such facilities eludes us.--->Another problem has come up regarding information from ''Battlestar Galactica Magazine'': it's information isn't always quite accurate and when I asked Ron (via Mrs.Ron) on the messageboards, he said they aren't directly affiliated with the magazine in any way, so I don't know how this fits--> in issue #3, they say:

:"A Battlestar's air wing generally consists of six to eight squadrons (20 ships each)...20 Vipers also form a reserve unit to replace lost or damaged ships on an ad hoc basis. Each squadron is also supported by a single Raptor" (P.59)

Is this magazine information accurate? Are there 20 Vipers to a squadron? How many Vipers is Galactica capable of carrying (that is, during its prime when it was a new ship in the Cylon War, how many Vipers is it meant to support?): How many can a Mercury-class Battlestar like ''Pegasus'' hold? --->Based on these magazine numbers, there should only have been 6-8 at most Raptors on Galactica (during it's prime, so by the time of the Cylon attack probably less): In "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" we see 20 Raptors jump to Caprica; Pegasus probably had an equal number of Raptors on board, but where did so many Raptors come from? Can Pegasus construct Raptors just like Vipers? Or (my explanation), are there just many refugee Raptors which escaped to Ragnar, because they've got their own FTL drives? I mean Boomer escaped all the way from Caprica to Ragnar, and Crashdown was stated as being a refugee from another ship, so presumably a few other Raptors made it out (well, that's our assumption. I still think its entirely plausible and not a stretch that there were 20 though). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:53, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:In the [[Miniseries]], a total of ninteen [[Vipers]] are shown on screen (at approx. 47 minutes, 25 seconds in), supported by a single [[Raptor]] ([[Boomer]] and [[Helo]]). It's safe to assume that the 20th ship was merely off-screen. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::You don't understand, the number on parade for the Miniseries decomissioning isn't clearly reflecting "a squadron", more specifically referring to just how many were built in "Scar" if "two squadrons" were built. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:46, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:::True, but Adama does refer to them as "our squadron", that's the basis I was going on. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:49, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica Chain of Command==
in "[[Scattered]]", Commander Adama is shot so his XO Colonel Tigh takes command, while Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] then becomes his acting XO. Is Captain Kelly ''normally'' third-in-command of ''Galactica'' (well, before the many promotions and shifting assignments in Season 2.5 post-"Pegasus")? Or is Apollo normally third in command, but because he was arrested for mutiny, he was removed from the normal succession?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:11, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:Captain Kelly would undoubtadely be the "third in command", or more correctly, the "Second Officer". Captain Adama is the Commander of the Air Group- if, as much of the rest of the show suggests, the Colonial Fleet closely follws the US military's organization, then Apollo would not be directly involved in the day-to-day running of Galactica ''herself'', merely the air group stationed aboard her. Thoughts? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:48, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==Timeline==
The [[season two timeline discontinuity]] left us all a bit baffled. Can you help clarify matters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:40, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
::This one gives me a headache. We were advised by post-production that we may have goofed in the timeline. There were large pow-wows between writers and post trying to sort this out. If memory serves (and it is highly suspect), the issue was a chyron that was subsequently changed -- or not changed -- for the DVD release of Season 2.5. But don't hold me to that. These discussions went on for days and I'm not anxious to revisit them. I do know that what we came up with made sense at the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:05, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Those are actually two separate things: yes, there was a mistake in post for "Downloaded": the card at the beginning says "10 weeks ago", which would have been impossible. The messageboards were in an uproar, and apparently, Joe (owner of BattlestarWiki) e-mailed the post production office and showed them our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] article, showing how it was a clear mix up in post: They sent us an e-mail ''back'' saying that it would be fixed in the Season 2.5 DVD and all subsequent international airings: Fans in the UK have confirmed to us that when "Downloaded" premiered in the UK, the sign was changed to "10 weeks ''later''".----->However, what we've dubbed the "season 2.5 timeline discontinuity" is different from that, but I think it's more something we're waiting for Ron to explain in his Scifi.com blog. --->Basically, there was a jump in time of about 2-3 months between "Pegasus" and "Res Ship I", which we've been trying to explain but can't: All dates ''within'' season 2.5 are consistent with each other, but not with the earlier half of season 2. That is, we worked out that "Pegasus" must take place around three months post-attack, but then in "Res Ship I" Admiral Cain said "Six month" had passed since the attack: at first we thought it was a random dialogue error, at first, but then the rest of Season 2.5 consistently used this, i.e. in "Downloaded" [[Hera]] is born 9 months after the Cylon attack (one month premature, as she was conceived on Day 24). The reason we encountered the "season 2 timeline discontinuity" is that there are a few things that are not really reconcilable, which are:
::::A) Caprica-Sharon is not visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" while wearing a tight tank top, but by "Epiphanies" (at most, two weeks later) she is visibly into her second trimester. Her "Pegasus" appearance fits our initial "three months" dating, while her "Epiphanies" appearance appears to have fast fowarded three months.
::::B) The Presidential elections are stated to take place Nine months after the Cylon attack, however in "[[Bastille Day]]" Apollo said they'd take place in Seven months, and one month later in "[[Colonial Day]]" they said they would take place in Six month (so season 1 consistently says they're 7 months post-attack). ***Ron himself actually says in the LDYB I podcast, "we said in "Bastille Day" that elections were due in Nine months", so we think not even Ron noticed this.
::::C) The last point is a bit complicated, but follows our detailed Timeline: the last firm date we got from the Helo-on-Caprica ticker was that season 2 begins Two months after the attack. Scattered through Fragged span a day or two, then Resistance (ground team wasn't on Kobol very long). In "Resistance", Cally killed ''Galactica''-Sharon and was sent to the brig for 30 days as a result. Cally gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix". --->Colonel Tigh was in command of ''Galatica'' for less than two weeks, more probably one, a command which ended in "Resistance" when Adama returned. Anyway, in FotP Roslin is told she has one month at the ''most'' to live. That means at most one month passes between this scene and "Epiphanies", when she's dying. --->It is stated that "weeks" pass during FotP while Tyrol builds the Blackbird, and this is actually the episode which includes the longest amount of time from beginning to end; we assumed it took maybe 2, but it could have taken many weeks. In any event, we figured out that Flight of the Phoenix ''starts'' about two and a half months after the attack, a lot of time passes during the episode, and by the ''end'', Roslin has one month to live. "Epiphanies" states it took place Six months post-attack, subtracting one month for Roslin life expectancy, the end of Flight of the Phoenix would have to be at Five months poast attack....which would mean that during the episode, 2 months pass while Tyrol builds the Blackbird (which would be a lot given that all of season 1 lasted just two months).
:::Actually, Tyrol could conceivably have spent that long building the Blackbird, Caprica-Sharon's gestation could have just been really fast because she's a Cylon, and some Canadian viewers have pointed out to us that when an election "is called" in a Parliamentary system isn't the same as when the actual voting is held, and that in like Canada and the UK 2 months can pass after an eleciton "starts" and the voting, which could explain all of this (although Ron states in the podcast that as he remembers it, Bastille Day actually just said "Nine").------->We actually don't want to split hairs and be the Comic Book Guy pointing out how in a Xena episode, in one frame she's riding a winged Andalusian horse, while in the next shot she's riding a winged Arabian, and surely we must demand explanation: (this is from a Simpsons episode guest starring Lucy Lawless in which she appears as herself at a convention, and her answer is: "Every time something like that happens, a wizard did it. Wizard!" We've had a hard time keeping track of things ourselves and we appreciate everything the production team is doing on BSG....we take hours upon hours away from friends and family to update this dang encyclopedia (nay, we are compelled)! --->We just want to know what to do in our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]]. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:17, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Unfortunately, you're going to be forced to the conclusion that wizards did it. At least for now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Guns nomenclature==
(BTW, thank you for taking the time to read all of these.): A matter which has come up is what to refer to the guns in BSG as. That is, on Star Trek we'd have an article title "Phasers", and have subsectios talking about ship-mounted phasers and various models of hand phasers. On BSG, are the ship-mounted guns railguns, officially? Do Cylon Basestars have gun batteries like Battlestars? In our own analysis, we thought they didn't (except for missiles) and that while both Battlestars and Basestars are Carrier/Battleship hybrids, a Battlestar is more battleship than a basestar and a basestar leans more towards carrier: that they rely on sheer weight of numbers and hundreds upon hundreds of Raiders, at the expense of having no room left over for railgun batteries (so if you lure the hundreds of Raiders away, they're at a disadvantage to Battlestars, as in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]). ---->Meanwhile, like I said in Trek we'd have an article for "hand phasers", but on BSG we've just got "guns". And for Vipers, what do Vipers have? ---->My point is, we've been using the term "[[Kinetic Energy Weapon]]s" for the name of an article on all of this, but we're not sure if this is in anyway what the show itself uses. This many seem like a minor point, I know, but after we started using "KEW", simply as a term of convenience on the Viper articles and such...other fansites and messageboards I've seen read ''BattlestarWiki'' and I think they assume it's an official term. So if this is not what people in the BSGverse refer to their guns as, I think I should add a disclaimer or something (just like "Note: KEW is not an official term"). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:In short, is "[[KEW]]" a correct termology of the "guns" of Battlestar(s)? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::[Spock]I believe that is what I said, Mr. Shane [/Spock]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:52, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::Just a simple explain. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:17, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::::During rewrites of Epiphanes, we ran into this same question, at least in terms of Viper ordnance. The writing staff originally proposed chemically propelled projectiles (easier to sabotage) but Gary Hutzel protested. He preferred rail guns, and that's what we adopted, but nobody's said it on screen. Which means there is no canon on our cannons yet ;) [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::The plot thinkens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:25, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::The visual evidence on Epiphanies seems to suggest chemically propelled projectiles. However, since railguns are still a form of KEW, do the production staff ever refer to them as KEW? We are trying to verify if the term [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]] is an "official" term. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:50, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm pretty sure it's just something one of us came up with. It's been proposed that we go to a more generic "Weapons" over on the talk page of that article. It's not like we have an article for each different "kind" of weapon at this point.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::The broken cartridge (with what appeared to be gunpowder spilling out) did seem to point to chemical propulsion. And not even caseless (as had been proposed during the [[miniseries]]). Oh well. As long as something comes out whenever they pull the trigger, I suppose. The (rail gun/Gary Hutzel discussion) is an awesome piece of trivia! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

"Kinetic Energy Weapon" and "KEW" are terms I first saw used by the US Air Force in a book called MILITARY SPACE FORCES commissioned by the US Congress and published in 1989. As to its "official" nature on Galactica, I'm sure they'd use the term where appropriate, just as they use the terms "nuclear weapon" or "noodle."
The Rail guns aboard the Vipers fire a mix of tracer/incendiary, armor piercing and explosive rounds, in various ratios depending upon mission requirements, so not all their projectiles are strictly kinetic. - And the powder in the degraded projectile might have been chemical explosive used in the HE rounds. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:14, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:Can I ask, then, why chemically-propelled ordnance was rejected? I ask mainly because rail guns as we know them (theoretically) propel ordnance at a percentage of the speed of light- which, it stands to reason, would be far faster than any chemically-propelled weaponry, such as missiles. However, in the [[Miniseries]], when the fleet is escaping [[Ragnar]], the shells fired by both Galatica and her Vipers do not seem to be travelling much faster than the missiles fired by the enemy vessels.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::Here we're stuck with what we can actually SEE in order to make exciting visual storytelling. Just as the Vipers and Raiders have been slowed down and moved closer than they would "really" be so we can enjoy cool shots, the weaponry has also been made viewer friendly. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:43, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

== No HUD's in Vipers? ==

I've noticed that the Colonial Vipers don't seem to be equipped with any type of Heads-Up Display (HUD) or any such device. I was wondering if this was a design feature of the Vipers or if it was born simply as a way to reduce the number of VFX elements in a cockpit shot. Also, without a HUD, is there some other form of gunsight in the pilot's line of sight? --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 15:55, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:Actually, if you look really hard at screenshots from "The Hand of God", etc., they do seem to have HUD's, although they haven't been prominently displayed on the show.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:02, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::What appears to be a HUD in screencaps of "The Hand of God" seems to actually be reflection of the Viper's central display on the cockpit window. It's most evident in the first pov cockpit shot on this page, where there are several upside down DRADIS screens.[http://galactica.emedian.net/es1.10.7.html] --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 13:34, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::No HUDS in the Vipers. We haven't put gunsights in them, either. I'm not sure what the design reasons were for these decisions, but I'm guessing that it came down to VFX money that was better spent elsewhere. Our pilots simply have to be that much better. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:01, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Perhaps because a HUD would require several systems linked together via a computer, and this would be vulnerable to manipulation by the Cylons? The MkII was, after all, designed NOT to be vulnerable to this sort of attack.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== FTL and the cylons ==

What is the range of Galactica's FTL engines? I have read some were that it is 30 light years. If this si true then it means that the fleet would have jumped around 7500 light years due to all the jumps they made in '33'. So were in the galaxy are they?

Also in the show the Cylons are divided into two types. Skin jobs and Centurions. The thing is that the Cylons say that they are better than humans but they are making the same mistake the colonies made made. I say this because Ron Moore has said that the Centurions are not sentient and so are treated as expanderble, like the first cylons were treated by the Colonies. So will we ever see the Centurions rise up against there flesh and blood counter parts. {{unsigned|Viper1982}}

*I have always speculated (pure speculation) that there is NO "range" on FTL engines ''in theory''...but there is an "effective" range of ''practicality'': That is, based on Admiral Cain's order for a [[blind jump]] and the way they talk more about "plotting coordinates at such a distance" (as Ragnar) than engine range, I always ''assumed'' that an FTL Jump can take you ''anywhere'' in the universe, but "it ain't like dusting crops", and if you just go without safe coordinates, you could easily wind up in a star or planet, so it's too unsafe to use. The Cylons have better computers than the Colonials, and thus are able to plot safe jumps along longer distances in their Nav computers, that's why they can jump back to Caprica relatively easily compared to the Colonials. Theoretically (This is my longstanding *assumption*, is it correct?) Galactica could Jump across the entire galaxy...it's just so unsafe without good coordinates and the odds of winding up in a star or something so big that it's deemed not worth it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:07, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

:*I agree, there's also the question of how much fuel is invested in each FTL jump, which would also prove as a limiting factor. And if Tylium is as rare as they said it was, then they must have some form of calculating how to spend it best. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::*Exactly. If, as we speculate in the [[FTL]] article, the propulsion is wormhole-based, then it stands to reason that to make a bigger wormhole, one would need more jucie, so to speak. It also stands to reason that the further away one's desired exit point is, the more difficult it would be to pinpoint said location. An analogy- have you ever tried to land the end of a long piece of string on a particular point? It's MUCH easier to do with a shorter piece. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:12, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== Sleeper Agents ==

I have been updating an article on the Miniseries [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel) | novelization]]. The novelization gives a lot of extra info about Aaron Doral, making a big point that he is a sleeper agent. Was this from official sources or artistic license by the author? The main point is that his realization (unlike Boomer's) that he was a Cylon was easy. Also, if true, might imply that Brother Cavil from Galactica might be a sleeper agent? Thanks. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:56, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Writing a novelization involves fleshing out much of what the original presentation only hints at. To my knowledge, the extra information was not gleaned from any of the documentation/bibles used on the series. How "official" that makes it is an open question. If we don't address it in the show, then everyone's entitled to their own theory. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:55, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Was Galactica's Brother Cavil a sleeper agent, or was it never considered or discussed? Thanks, --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:05, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::We discuss a lot of stuff, but if it doesn't show up on screen, it's as if it never happened. That philosophy leaves us open to more possibilities. Was Cavil a sleeper? Until we find a story where that matters, we won't define it -- and leave you wondering. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

Cavil definitely seemed not to be a sleeper. It's odd that Boomer appears to be the only one. There should be more, I would think. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:Didn't Internal-Six same "some are sleepers" in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:25, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== Galactica's Armor Skin ==

Just to clarify more than anything - and mainly so that people can stop arguing about it. Did the Galactica always have such a patchy armour skin, or before the days of decommissioning, was it more like Pegasus in terms of looks? Here's an image as an example, just in case ;) [http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/galactica_freshrender.jpg] --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 18:56, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:I asked [[Eric Chu]] about this on the MediaBlvd messageboards, and he said the ribs were supposed to be there, so only a missle coming from a perfect 90 degree angle would connect. Of course, I think that might have just been ''his'' opinion. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::It makes sense for there to be SOME ribs, but the ventral plating (there i go, using trek terms again...) looks....oddly laid out. As though half of it has been stripped off. Look at an image of Pegasus for comparison. I know they're different classes and all, but it just seems....wrong...somethow, for the galactica to be so oddly patchy. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:09, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::To be annoyingly particular, "ventral plating" is just a phrase composed of two normal words in their normal meanings, so it is not peculiar to Star Trek. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 19:37, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Troo dat, but it sounds like it's lifted straight out of an episode of DS9 :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:45, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::(You mean dorsal plating (top); ventral plating means on the bottom). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:11, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::It's 2:38am - not work brain! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:33, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Surely the lack of armour across her entire hull hints that she did, at one time, have a full complement of armour? Perhaps the armour was being stripped off for other uses, due to the decommissioning of the ship? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:04, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::This was my point, and i'd like to believe that this is the case, although i dont want to end up being a fanboy about it - just would be nice for clarification! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==SkyOne Biography Canonicity==

We've been debating the status of some information from SkyOne for some time now: Around the Miniseries, biographies for several main characters were posted on SkyOne's website. You can wee one at the bottom of the [[William Adama]] article, as well as for [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], etc. ----->This information was taken down from SkyOne's website over a year ago. To our knowledge, BattlestarWiki is actually the only site keeping this info posted. We didn't know if it reflected [[Series bible]] things, or even if it did, if these still "counted" any more. You see I've made little notes on the bottom of each pointing out that they're not consistent with how the show turned out. For example, Galactica-Sharon's bio says she was on Galactica a different period of time, that Troy blew up recently not years ago, etc. Bits and pieces of other things are also kind of weird, and the only source for some things, i.e. Starbuck's mother's name, which honestly I don't think is official anymore. The SkyOne bios even say that Starbuck a Picon and Baltar a Sagitarron, while we had assumed both were from Caprica. --->Long story short we're debating whether to delete these from BattlestarWiki entirely, and base nothing we have on information from them, because A) The information was ''taken down'', probably because it wasn't "right" anymore, B) It actually contradicts things from aired episodes, throwing dubious light onto their status. So we wanted to know if this information from SkyOne's website, no longer extant, is invalidated. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:48, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Your definition of the series bible is accurate. Ron came up with it before the series went into production and we use it as a reference, a starting point. It isn't carved in stone. Sky One may have had access to pieces of it, but what happens on screen supercedes anything that doesn't. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

:For my part, I'm just curious as to what role the writing staff had in the creation of those bios in the first place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

::In the beginning was the bible. Then came the staff. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

==Basestar losses in Res Ship II==

In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", were both Basestars destroyed (which is what I think) or was one destroyed, and the other escaped? Some say that because we didn't see the second one explode on-screen, it might have escaped...though I thought it was implied that it was, and it was taking a pounding from not one but two battlestars focused on it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

::Cylons build tough ships and nobody's better at making repairs on machinery, so we have to follow standard Colonial Fleet procedure in this -- unless it's confirmed as destroyed (by gun cameras, witnesses, or wreckage) Galactica can only claim it as "Damaged." -- [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:::The Colonials just can't win. When the [[Wikipedia:Manfred von Richthofen|Red Baron]] scored his first kill, the brass said it was unconfirmed and didn't count. He flew into a rage, and the next time he scored a kill, while behind enemy lines, he landed, went to the downed craft and carved off the identifying insignia, and flew back to base with them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

==Webisode series==

In [http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html this article] it's said that [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]], the webisode series bridging the gap between seasons 2 and 3, will have 10 episodes. In a [http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2750 recent interview], [[David Weddle]] mentioned that the Thompson & Weddle writing team were behind the webisode series. Not giving spoilers, just clarifying production details: How long will each of the 10 webisodes run? Will they be run on TV right before season 3 starts (I assume they would). Did the Thompson & Weddle writing team write each of the 10 webisodes? Do you have any idea who directed them? (were they made by one director, or did different ones do different webisdoes?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:48, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Are the webisodes live action or animated like the Doctor Who web series? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:15, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Thanks Mr. Thompson; at first from rumors we heard we thought each segment had it's own title and the first webisode out of 10 was titled "Crossroads". Mercifull, I've heard RDM in interviews talking about people actually filming it live, plus Leah Cairns said she wasn't one of the people appearing in it, implying that live-action people actually are. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:45, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::The webisodes are all live action, using our actors - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:01, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::In determining on how we should list it here on BSG Wiki, should it be associated with Season 2 or Season 3? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:10, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm leaning towards Season 3. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:13, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Scar Podcast Transcribed==
While I personally HATE listening to recordings of myself, I thought I'd let you know that we've finished transcribing the [[Podcast:Scar|Scar podcast]] in case you interested in checking that out. We did our best, though it is sometimes hard to sort out who's who or pick up everything that is said. Any corrections are welcome. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:37, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:Let me get this straight: we lost both a "Starbuck naked in the bowels of the ship with a revolver" scene, and a "Starbuck strips off her flight suit, soaked in sweat, and takes a shower" scene from this episode? But it would have shown the mental state her character was in....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:01, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::The armed Starbuck naked in Galactica's bowels was an image Ron gave us to communicate an emotional place he wanted her to reach. It was never a scene. The soaked in sweat scene was shot but time didn't allow it to appear in the show. The shower part of it was not shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:12, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Odd, it was not included on the recent set of deleted scenes posted on Scifi.com; of course, I think they're saving most of the deleted scenes for the DVD set to encourage us to buy them...which I will. Yes, if you check our transcript for "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" when Terry Moore insists to Ron that "yes, there are 5-6 people that listen to these things the day that they're posted online"....we're about half of those people :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders

::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

==Caprica==

Are any of the current BSG writing staff considering or expressing interest in writing episodes for the prequel series ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::The issue has not yet come up. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

==Pegasus (Extended Version)==

The upcoming DVD release of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" in the Season 2.5 DVD will be the re-edited, 5-Act Extended Version of ''Pegasus''. Should we consider all of the scenes in this extended edition as non-canonical as the deleted scenes from other episodes? Many Lord of the Rings fans consider the "Extended Edition" longer DVD versions to be the "definative" version, not the theatrical release, which got me thinking on this. Case in point, there's reportedly a scene where Admiral Cain explains the technical differences between a [[Mercury class battlestar]] and a [[Galactica type battlestar]]: is this information not going to be "valid"? Much of the Deleted Scenes information we've examined previously has existed in a bizarre state of limbo on BattlestarWiki (but it's a system that works) in which we say "this is from a deleted scene and probably not canonical, but as it is not contradicted by anything (yet) its the current version" (i.e. Ellen Tigh said she'd been married to Saul Tigh for 7 years in a ''deleted'' scene, so we don't consider that ''strictly'' canonical. ——Of course the problem is, as Ron has explained in the podcasts, most BSG episodes run long (into the 50 minute range often) and many scenes are simply deleted for time (i.e. the problems that ensued when Apollo/Dualla relationship buildup scenes were cut, usually just for time, from other episodes)--->However, the difference in the Extended Version of (soon to be Hugo Award winning) "Pegasus" is that Ron has openly stated that almost ''all'' of this removed material was taken out simply for ''time'' issues, not ''story'' issues. How should we approach this material? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:03, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::There is rumor that Ron Moore is even doing a ''separate'', new podcast for the Extended Version of ''Pegasus'', co-hosted with David Eick. Is this just wild rumor?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:23, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

=="Cally Henderson"?!==

[http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1996604#Post1996604 On the Scifi Messageboard]: "''At Comic-Con, I asked the writer Bradley Thompson what Cally's first name is and he said, "Cally is her first name. Her last name is Henderson." He said he didn't think her last name was ever used in the first two seasons, but he's pretty sure it comes up in Season 3.''" ——— '''Can you ''confirm'' this?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:38, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::I'm not sure when we established Cally's surname as Henderson, but it's been in and out of several scripts. I know we originally had it in a line during the webisodes, but it vanished during a later draft. The art department has been using it to label her clothing, lockers, etc, since Ron christened her. She took Tyrol as her last name when she married the chief. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Thanks! Yes, the BSGverse is very gender-neutral, and although [[Caroline Adama]], etc. established that many women do take the surname of their husband, I wasn't entirely sure how far the gender-neutrality of everything extended (Indeed, Ron apparently has even toyed with the idea of saying that Admiral Cain's colony, Tauron, was matriarchal). But this is excellent news. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:33, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

I guess this would make her (as of season 3) "Cally Henderson Tyrol"? Actress Nicki Clyne always felt "Cally" was her first name too. How is this reconciled with how at some points in the series (I'd have to look hard to find them) people have called her "Specialist Cally", as if that were her last name (by including rank)....come to think of it, there is a possibility that no one ever actually called her "Specialist Cally" in dialogue. I will check. (Btw, while I'm on the subject, who is this "Mexichick": she's one of the regulars in Terry Moore's thread on the Scifi board, and seems to have contact with several cast or crew members).

I must say, Cally is one of the best characters on the show. She won Best Supporting Actress in our [[Golden Toaster Awards|large-scale online fan awards supported by Ron himself]], beating out Dualla, Racetrack, Kat, and Ellen Tigh (it was a landslide victory). Sorry to get so excited, but I'm a card-carrying member of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/index.php?act=idx Nicki Clyne fansite]. You see I've actually been watching Trek from Next Gen, through DS9, and then the Voyager and Enterprise years, and I really feal that "lets get ratings fast by inserting Seven of Nine! Put T'Pol in a blatant shower scene!" stuff was a big blow to scifi genre tv, as it took out a lot of seriousness and believability. I viewed Cally as the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and living embodiement of Ron's essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]]: instead of one Lara Croft-esque supersoldier Hot Space Babe [TM] main character surrounded by redshirts, on BSG Cally is a *third tier character* and a *female* who gets incredible development and characterization (note: I AM a male aged 18 to 25, it's just that even WE got sick of 7 of 9 and T'Pol).

A few of use on the messageboards in early 2005 just said "hey, that girl from the Miniseries was cool, we hope we see her more"...then came "[[Bastille Day]]" and her popularity exploded. She's the girl next door. And it just became a treat to see she was in and episode, like "Six Degrees of Separation", or "Flight of the Phoenix", or Fragged and Resistance (her standout episodes). It's the same reason we like Kat and Racetrack: they're well rounded, secondary female characters; and like Tyrol and Helo, minor characters can *actually die* in a given episode, increasing the tension. (I.e. Starbuck wouldn't die in Scar, but Kat might have, so I was actually invested in her fate).

And Cally just gradually grew into this really popular character online, from the grassroots up. Some people think it's a joke, but it's because we seriously like the actress and character and think it's one of the elements of scifi genre tv that BSG has fixed.

Btw, have you decided what colony she is from yet? (That is, will it be mentioned in Season 3?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:55, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::Not yet. Hasn't been relevant so far in 3, but we've got seven more shows to break. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[Exodus!]] v. [[Exodus, Part I]] ==

Is there going to be any simularities between the ''Marvel comic'' and these episode's? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:22, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would doubt it, Shane, because afaik the Exodus comic was an adaptation of ''Saga of a Star World''. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. I realized it a little late, but hey, it could happen. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:07, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cally vs Caprica-Sharon ==

I've been listenning through the writer's podcasts that Ron put up on Scifi.com, like the one for "Sacrifice" etc. -->Was a scene of Caprica-Sharon bumping into Cally in a ''Galactica'' hallway ever filmed and was then deleted? I'd assume that Cally would encounter ''Galactica''-Sharon (one she shot) on New Caprica next season, so if that other scene was never filmed I guess this would be their first encounter. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

==Tyrol's Pegasus service==
In "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Chief Tyrol listed off that he had served on Battlestars ''Atlantia'', ''Columbia'', and ''Pegasus'', since he was 18. This was actually the first time ''Pegasus'' was mentioned in the series, and it led some to speculate that Tyrol knew some of the ''Pegasus'' crew from before: in an intervew, Aaron Douglas said that a fan asked him about this at a convention, and he said he had never realized that about the referrence, and as far as he knew his character's behind-the-scenes backstory contained nothing particular about his time on ''Pegasus'', (i.e. he didn't really have a relationship with anyone on it, he just served on it along with a dozen other ships); however he said he didn't know what the writers intended. Was there supposed to be any higher significance behind this?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:52, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

==Helmets==

I've noticed that the helmets the piliots wear in Season 2 are different from the ones used through Season 1; were they changed because the actors thought the old ones were too bulky or something? I liked what Ron and David said on the Miniseries DVD commentary, that it's kind of weird but cool how the helmets scrunch the faces of the pilots so they look like they're in an entirely different world (i.e. Grace Park's face looks drastically different when she puts a helmet on, and Jamie and Katee too) so it doesn't just look like "a person on a soundstage" but seems more like they're actually in this other environment. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:31, 5 August 2006 (CDT)
:Just thought I'd note the helmet discussion at the end of act two in the [[Podcast:The Captain's Hand#Act 2|Captain's Hand podcast]]. In it, Ron indicated there were some lighting and sound problems with earlier models. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:08, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

== RE: Military Ships ==

Dear Brad,

I like to thank you for joining the discussions on BattlestarWiki. It's nice to see cast and crew and even producers talk to the fans, and act politely compared to many pompous skinjobs out in the frakking world. The question I pose to you, is that I'm aware of a statement Cylon Number 0, also known as "Ronald D. Moore" said in his Scifi Podcast that the Battlestars had support ships in the fleet in Battlestar Groups, analogous to modern day Aircraft Carriers. What I want to know is that the possibility of ALL military ships being destroyed is very how to say; unrealistic. That's not to say that this series has been unrealistic, the fact that many in the Colonial Military reverted to networking after a semi recent war with heuristic machines seems about right with human nature and their lazy ways. But to get back to the point, would it be likely that some military vessels (besides the obvious, Galactica and Pegasus) survived. Many have pointed out that the Todd Boyce fan produced ship model, the 'Defender' has been seen, but I'm not sure how to take this as an "official" military spacecraft. If so, can they maybe rejoin the fleet? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:49, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:Not meaning to speak for Mr. Thompson, but A) Within the mythology of the show, Galactica is the "Last battlestar" and Pegasus is the "shockingly, another ship that survived" B) It's not unrealistic given that the Cylons through Caprica-Six had information on the tactical deployment of ''all'' ships within the Fleet, knew where every single one was, etc. Ships smaller than battlestars could not survive against the Cylon fleet on their lonesome. I am unaware of anyone pointing to any fan-produced ship models. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:19, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::I did some checking and found [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/colonialshipdescriptions.html this page] (Scroll down a bit): rather than "Undeniably canon", I see a similar ship to the design this guy made, propably the same basic CGI model, but that's ''hardly'' another surviving military ship. They just used the basic CGI model as another Rag Tag Fleet civilian ship. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:18, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I'm not trying to start a text war, I was just meaning to ask a question to Mr. Thompson, which you seemed to answer on a matter of your personal opinion. I'm not meaning to doubt, since your answer has some meaning to it, but I won't take this as a definitive answer unless Mr. Thompson says so.

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==Squadron numbers==
How many Vipers are in a "squadron" in the terminology used by the Colonial Fleet? I ask because in "[[Scar]]" Roslin said they were getting enough metal ore to build "two squadrons" of Vipers. Is a squadron 10? 12? 20? If a squadron is 20, this would be a dramatic increase.

While I'm on the subject, we've ''speculated'' that based on this dialogue, [[Mercury class battlestar]]s have some sort of limited Viper production facilities but the exact nature of such facilities eludes us.--->Another problem has come up regarding information from ''Battlestar Galactica Magazine'': it's information isn't always quite accurate and when I asked Ron (via Mrs.Ron) on the messageboards, he said they aren't directly affiliated with the magazine in any way, so I don't know how this fits--> in issue #3, they say:

:"A Battlestar's air wing generally consists of six to eight squadrons (20 ships each)...20 Vipers also form a reserve unit to replace lost or damaged ships on an ad hoc basis. Each squadron is also supported by a single Raptor" (P.59)

Is this magazine information accurate? Are there 20 Vipers to a squadron? How many Vipers is Galactica capable of carrying (that is, during its prime when it was a new ship in the Cylon War, how many Vipers is it meant to support?): How many can a Mercury-class Battlestar like ''Pegasus'' hold? --->Based on these magazine numbers, there should only have been 6-8 at most Raptors on Galactica (during it's prime, so by the time of the Cylon attack probably less): In "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" we see 20 Raptors jump to Caprica; Pegasus probably had an equal number of Raptors on board, but where did so many Raptors come from? Can Pegasus construct Raptors just like Vipers? Or (my explanation), are there just many refugee Raptors which escaped to Ragnar, because they've got their own FTL drives? I mean Boomer escaped all the way from Caprica to Ragnar, and Crashdown was stated as being a refugee from another ship, so presumably a few other Raptors made it out (well, that's our assumption. I still think its entirely plausible and not a stretch that there were 20 though). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:53, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:In the [[Miniseries]], a total of ninteen [[Vipers]] are shown on screen (at approx. 47 minutes, 25 seconds in), supported by a single [[Raptor]] ([[Boomer]] and [[Helo]]). It's safe to assume that the 20th ship was merely off-screen. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:20, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::You don't understand, the number on parade for the Miniseries decomissioning isn't clearly reflecting "a squadron", more specifically referring to just how many were built in "Scar" if "two squadrons" were built. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:46, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:::True, but Adama does refer to them as "our squadron", that's the basis I was going on. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:49, 16 July 2006 (CDT)

==Galactica Chain of Command==
in "[[Scattered]]", Commander Adama is shot so his XO Colonel Tigh takes command, while Captain [[Aaron Kelly]] then becomes his acting XO. Is Captain Kelly ''normally'' third-in-command of ''Galactica'' (well, before the many promotions and shifting assignments in Season 2.5 post-"Pegasus")? Or is Apollo normally third in command, but because he was arrested for mutiny, he was removed from the normal succession?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:11, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:Captain Kelly would undoubtadely be the "third in command", or more correctly, the "Second Officer". Captain Adama is the Commander of the Air Group- if, as much of the rest of the show suggests, the Colonial Fleet closely follws the US military's organization, then Apollo would not be directly involved in the day-to-day running of Galactica ''herself'', merely the air group stationed aboard her. Thoughts? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:48, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==Timeline==
The [[season two timeline discontinuity]] left us all a bit baffled. Can you help clarify matters? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:40, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
::This one gives me a headache. We were advised by post-production that we may have goofed in the timeline. There were large pow-wows between writers and post trying to sort this out. If memory serves (and it is highly suspect), the issue was a chyron that was subsequently changed -- or not changed -- for the DVD release of Season 2.5. But don't hold me to that. These discussions went on for days and I'm not anxious to revisit them. I do know that what we came up with made sense at the time. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:05, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Those are actually two separate things: yes, there was a mistake in post for "Downloaded": the card at the beginning says "10 weeks ago", which would have been impossible. The messageboards were in an uproar, and apparently, Joe (owner of BattlestarWiki) e-mailed the post production office and showed them our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]] article, showing how it was a clear mix up in post: They sent us an e-mail ''back'' saying that it would be fixed in the Season 2.5 DVD and all subsequent international airings: Fans in the UK have confirmed to us that when "Downloaded" premiered in the UK, the sign was changed to "10 weeks ''later''".----->However, what we've dubbed the "season 2.5 timeline discontinuity" is different from that, but I think it's more something we're waiting for Ron to explain in his Scifi.com blog. --->Basically, there was a jump in time of about 2-3 months between "Pegasus" and "Res Ship I", which we've been trying to explain but can't: All dates ''within'' season 2.5 are consistent with each other, but not with the earlier half of season 2. That is, we worked out that "Pegasus" must take place around three months post-attack, but then in "Res Ship I" Admiral Cain said "Six month" had passed since the attack: at first we thought it was a random dialogue error, at first, but then the rest of Season 2.5 consistently used this, i.e. in "Downloaded" [[Hera]] is born 9 months after the Cylon attack (one month premature, as she was conceived on Day 24). The reason we encountered the "season 2 timeline discontinuity" is that there are a few things that are not really reconcilable, which are:
::::A) Caprica-Sharon is not visibly pregnant in "Pegasus" while wearing a tight tank top, but by "Epiphanies" (at most, two weeks later) she is visibly into her second trimester. Her "Pegasus" appearance fits our initial "three months" dating, while her "Epiphanies" appearance appears to have fast fowarded three months.
::::B) The Presidential elections are stated to take place Nine months after the Cylon attack, however in "[[Bastille Day]]" Apollo said they'd take place in Seven months, and one month later in "[[Colonial Day]]" they said they would take place in Six month (so season 1 consistently says they're 7 months post-attack). ***Ron himself actually says in the LDYB I podcast, "we said in "Bastille Day" that elections were due in Nine months", so we think not even Ron noticed this.
::::C) The last point is a bit complicated, but follows our detailed Timeline: the last firm date we got from the Helo-on-Caprica ticker was that season 2 begins Two months after the attack. Scattered through Fragged span a day or two, then Resistance (ground team wasn't on Kobol very long). In "Resistance", Cally killed ''Galactica''-Sharon and was sent to the brig for 30 days as a result. Cally gets out in "Flight of the Phoenix". --->Colonel Tigh was in command of ''Galatica'' for less than two weeks, more probably one, a command which ended in "Resistance" when Adama returned. Anyway, in FotP Roslin is told she has one month at the ''most'' to live. That means at most one month passes between this scene and "Epiphanies", when she's dying. --->It is stated that "weeks" pass during FotP while Tyrol builds the Blackbird, and this is actually the episode which includes the longest amount of time from beginning to end; we assumed it took maybe 2, but it could have taken many weeks. In any event, we figured out that Flight of the Phoenix ''starts'' about two and a half months after the attack, a lot of time passes during the episode, and by the ''end'', Roslin has one month to live. "Epiphanies" states it took place Six months post-attack, subtracting one month for Roslin life expectancy, the end of Flight of the Phoenix would have to be at Five months poast attack....which would mean that during the episode, 2 months pass while Tyrol builds the Blackbird (which would be a lot given that all of season 1 lasted just two months).
:::Actually, Tyrol could conceivably have spent that long building the Blackbird, Caprica-Sharon's gestation could have just been really fast because she's a Cylon, and some Canadian viewers have pointed out to us that when an election "is called" in a Parliamentary system isn't the same as when the actual voting is held, and that in like Canada and the UK 2 months can pass after an eleciton "starts" and the voting, which could explain all of this (although Ron states in the podcast that as he remembers it, Bastille Day actually just said "Nine").------->We actually don't want to split hairs and be the Comic Book Guy pointing out how in a Xena episode, in one frame she's riding a winged Andalusian horse, while in the next shot she's riding a winged Arabian, and surely we must demand explanation: (this is from a Simpsons episode guest starring Lucy Lawless in which she appears as herself at a convention, and her answer is: "Every time something like that happens, a wizard did it. Wizard!" We've had a hard time keeping track of things ourselves and we appreciate everything the production team is doing on BSG....we take hours upon hours away from friends and family to update this dang encyclopedia (nay, we are compelled)! --->We just want to know what to do in our [[Timeline (RDM)|Timeline]]. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:17, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Unfortunately, you're going to be forced to the conclusion that wizards did it. At least for now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 21:05, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

==Guns nomenclature==
(BTW, thank you for taking the time to read all of these.): A matter which has come up is what to refer to the guns in BSG as. That is, on Star Trek we'd have an article title "Phasers", and have subsectios talking about ship-mounted phasers and various models of hand phasers. On BSG, are the ship-mounted guns railguns, officially? Do Cylon Basestars have gun batteries like Battlestars? In our own analysis, we thought they didn't (except for missiles) and that while both Battlestars and Basestars are Carrier/Battleship hybrids, a Battlestar is more battleship than a basestar and a basestar leans more towards carrier: that they rely on sheer weight of numbers and hundreds upon hundreds of Raiders, at the expense of having no room left over for railgun batteries (so if you lure the hundreds of Raiders away, they're at a disadvantage to Battlestars, as in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]]). ---->Meanwhile, like I said in Trek we'd have an article for "hand phasers", but on BSG we've just got "guns". And for Vipers, what do Vipers have? ---->My point is, we've been using the term "[[Kinetic Energy Weapon]]s" for the name of an article on all of this, but we're not sure if this is in anyway what the show itself uses. This many seem like a minor point, I know, but after we started using "KEW", simply as a term of convenience on the Viper articles and such...other fansites and messageboards I've seen read ''BattlestarWiki'' and I think they assume it's an official term. So if this is not what people in the BSGverse refer to their guns as, I think I should add a disclaimer or something (just like "Note: KEW is not an official term"). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:35, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
:In short, is "[[KEW]]" a correct termology of the "guns" of Battlestar(s)? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:39, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::[Spock]I believe that is what I said, Mr. Shane [/Spock]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:52, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::Just a simple explain. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:17, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
::::During rewrites of Epiphanes, we ran into this same question, at least in terms of Viper ordnance. The writing staff originally proposed chemically propelled projectiles (easier to sabotage) but Gary Hutzel protested. He preferred rail guns, and that's what we adopted, but nobody's said it on screen. Which means there is no canon on our cannons yet ;) [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:23, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::The plot thinkens. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:25, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::The visual evidence on Epiphanies seems to suggest chemically propelled projectiles. However, since railguns are still a form of KEW, do the production staff ever refer to them as KEW? We are trying to verify if the term [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]] is an "official" term. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:50, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm pretty sure it's just something one of us came up with. It's been proposed that we go to a more generic "Weapons" over on the talk page of that article. It's not like we have an article for each different "kind" of weapon at this point.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::The broken cartridge (with what appeared to be gunpowder spilling out) did seem to point to chemical propulsion. And not even caseless (as had been proposed during the [[miniseries]]). Oh well. As long as something comes out whenever they pull the trigger, I suppose. The (rail gun/Gary Hutzel discussion) is an awesome piece of trivia! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:50, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

"Kinetic Energy Weapon" and "KEW" are terms I first saw used by the US Air Force in a book called MILITARY SPACE FORCES commissioned by the US Congress and published in 1989. As to its "official" nature on Galactica, I'm sure they'd use the term where appropriate, just as they use the terms "nuclear weapon" or "noodle."
The Rail guns aboard the Vipers fire a mix of tracer/incendiary, armor piercing and explosive rounds, in various ratios depending upon mission requirements, so not all their projectiles are strictly kinetic. - And the powder in the degraded projectile might have been chemical explosive used in the HE rounds. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:14, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:Can I ask, then, why chemically-propelled ordnance was rejected? I ask mainly because rail guns as we know them (theoretically) propel ordnance at a percentage of the speed of light- which, it stands to reason, would be far faster than any chemically-propelled weaponry, such as missiles. However, in the [[Miniseries]], when the fleet is escaping [[Ragnar]], the shells fired by both Galatica and her Vipers do not seem to be travelling much faster than the missiles fired by the enemy vessels.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:57, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::Here we're stuck with what we can actually SEE in order to make exciting visual storytelling. Just as the Vipers and Raiders have been slowed down and moved closer than they would "really" be so we can enjoy cool shots, the weaponry has also been made viewer friendly. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:43, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

== No HUD's in Vipers? ==

I've noticed that the Colonial Vipers don't seem to be equipped with any type of Heads-Up Display (HUD) or any such device. I was wondering if this was a design feature of the Vipers or if it was born simply as a way to reduce the number of VFX elements in a cockpit shot. Also, without a HUD, is there some other form of gunsight in the pilot's line of sight? --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 15:55, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:Actually, if you look really hard at screenshots from "The Hand of God", etc., they do seem to have HUD's, although they haven't been prominently displayed on the show.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:02, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::What appears to be a HUD in screencaps of "The Hand of God" seems to actually be reflection of the Viper's central display on the cockpit window. It's most evident in the first pov cockpit shot on this page, where there are several upside down DRADIS screens.[http://galactica.emedian.net/es1.10.7.html] --[[User:Thetruthseeker|Thetruthseeker]] 13:34, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

:::No HUDS in the Vipers. We haven't put gunsights in them, either. I'm not sure what the design reasons were for these decisions, but I'm guessing that it came down to VFX money that was better spent elsewhere. Our pilots simply have to be that much better. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:01, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Perhaps because a HUD would require several systems linked together via a computer, and this would be vulnerable to manipulation by the Cylons? The MkII was, after all, designed NOT to be vulnerable to this sort of attack.--[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== FTL and the cylons ==

What is the range of Galactica's FTL engines? I have read some were that it is 30 light years. If this si true then it means that the fleet would have jumped around 7500 light years due to all the jumps they made in '33'. So were in the galaxy are they?

Also in the show the Cylons are divided into two types. Skin jobs and Centurions. The thing is that the Cylons say that they are better than humans but they are making the same mistake the colonies made made. I say this because Ron Moore has said that the Centurions are not sentient and so are treated as expanderble, like the first cylons were treated by the Colonies. So will we ever see the Centurions rise up against there flesh and blood counter parts. {{unsigned|Viper1982}}

*I have always speculated (pure speculation) that there is NO "range" on FTL engines ''in theory''...but there is an "effective" range of ''practicality'': That is, based on Admiral Cain's order for a [[blind jump]] and the way they talk more about "plotting coordinates at such a distance" (as Ragnar) than engine range, I always ''assumed'' that an FTL Jump can take you ''anywhere'' in the universe, but "it ain't like dusting crops", and if you just go without safe coordinates, you could easily wind up in a star or planet, so it's too unsafe to use. The Cylons have better computers than the Colonials, and thus are able to plot safe jumps along longer distances in their Nav computers, that's why they can jump back to Caprica relatively easily compared to the Colonials. Theoretically (This is my longstanding *assumption*, is it correct?) Galactica could Jump across the entire galaxy...it's just so unsafe without good coordinates and the odds of winding up in a star or something so big that it's deemed not worth it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:07, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

:*I agree, there's also the question of how much fuel is invested in each FTL jump, which would also prove as a limiting factor. And if Tylium is as rare as they said it was, then they must have some form of calculating how to spend it best. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05 24 June 2006 (CDT)
::*Exactly. If, as we speculate in the [[FTL]] article, the propulsion is wormhole-based, then it stands to reason that to make a bigger wormhole, one would need more jucie, so to speak. It also stands to reason that the further away one's desired exit point is, the more difficult it would be to pinpoint said location. An analogy- have you ever tried to land the end of a long piece of string on a particular point? It's MUCH easier to do with a shorter piece. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:12, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== Sleeper Agents ==

I have been updating an article on the Miniseries [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel) | novelization]]. The novelization gives a lot of extra info about Aaron Doral, making a big point that he is a sleeper agent. Was this from official sources or artistic license by the author? The main point is that his realization (unlike Boomer's) that he was a Cylon was easy. Also, if true, might imply that Brother Cavil from Galactica might be a sleeper agent? Thanks. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:56, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::Writing a novelization involves fleshing out much of what the original presentation only hints at. To my knowledge, the extra information was not gleaned from any of the documentation/bibles used on the series. How "official" that makes it is an open question. If we don't address it in the show, then everyone's entitled to their own theory. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:55, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Was Galactica's Brother Cavil a sleeper agent, or was it never considered or discussed? Thanks, --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:05, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::::We discuss a lot of stuff, but if it doesn't show up on screen, it's as if it never happened. That philosophy leaves us open to more possibilities. Was Cavil a sleeper? Until we find a story where that matters, we won't define it -- and leave you wondering. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

Cavil definitely seemed not to be a sleeper. It's odd that Boomer appears to be the only one. There should be more, I would think. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:Didn't Internal-Six same "some are sleepers" in the [[Miniseries]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:25, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== Galactica's Armor Skin ==

Just to clarify more than anything - and mainly so that people can stop arguing about it. Did the Galactica always have such a patchy armour skin, or before the days of decommissioning, was it more like Pegasus in terms of looks? Here's an image as an example, just in case ;) [http://kai.robinson.free.fr/dropbox/galactica_freshrender.jpg] --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 18:56, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:I asked [[Eric Chu]] about this on the MediaBlvd messageboards, and he said the ribs were supposed to be there, so only a missle coming from a perfect 90 degree angle would connect. Of course, I think that might have just been ''his'' opinion. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:06, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::It makes sense for there to be SOME ribs, but the ventral plating (there i go, using trek terms again...) looks....oddly laid out. As though half of it has been stripped off. Look at an image of Pegasus for comparison. I know they're different classes and all, but it just seems....wrong...somethow, for the galactica to be so oddly patchy. --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:09, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::To be annoyingly particular, "ventral plating" is just a phrase composed of two normal words in their normal meanings, so it is not peculiar to Star Trek. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 19:37, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Troo dat, but it sounds like it's lifted straight out of an episode of DS9 :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:45, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::(You mean dorsal plating (top); ventral plating means on the bottom). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:11, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::::::It's 2:38am - not work brain! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:33, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Surely the lack of armour across her entire hull hints that she did, at one time, have a full complement of armour? Perhaps the armour was being stripped off for other uses, due to the decommissioning of the ship? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:04, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::This was my point, and i'd like to believe that this is the case, although i dont want to end up being a fanboy about it - just would be nice for clarification! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

==SkyOne Biography Canonicity==

We've been debating the status of some information from SkyOne for some time now: Around the Miniseries, biographies for several main characters were posted on SkyOne's website. You can wee one at the bottom of the [[William Adama]] article, as well as for [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]], etc. ----->This information was taken down from SkyOne's website over a year ago. To our knowledge, BattlestarWiki is actually the only site keeping this info posted. We didn't know if it reflected [[Series bible]] things, or even if it did, if these still "counted" any more. You see I've made little notes on the bottom of each pointing out that they're not consistent with how the show turned out. For example, Galactica-Sharon's bio says she was on Galactica a different period of time, that Troy blew up recently not years ago, etc. Bits and pieces of other things are also kind of weird, and the only source for some things, i.e. Starbuck's mother's name, which honestly I don't think is official anymore. The SkyOne bios even say that Starbuck a Picon and Baltar a Sagitarron, while we had assumed both were from Caprica. --->Long story short we're debating whether to delete these from BattlestarWiki entirely, and base nothing we have on information from them, because A) The information was ''taken down'', probably because it wasn't "right" anymore, B) It actually contradicts things from aired episodes, throwing dubious light onto their status. So we wanted to know if this information from SkyOne's website, no longer extant, is invalidated. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:48, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

::Your definition of the series bible is accurate. Ron came up with it before the series went into production and we use it as a reference, a starting point. It isn't carved in stone. Sky One may have had access to pieces of it, but what happens on screen supercedes anything that doesn't. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

:For my part, I'm just curious as to what role the writing staff had in the creation of those bios in the first place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:54, 5 July 2006 (CDT)

::In the beginning was the bible. Then came the staff. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 13:09, 7 July 2006 (CDT)

==Basestar losses in Res Ship II==

In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", were both Basestars destroyed (which is what I think) or was one destroyed, and the other escaped? Some say that because we didn't see the second one explode on-screen, it might have escaped...though I thought it was implied that it was, and it was taking a pounding from not one but two battlestars focused on it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

::Cylons build tough ships and nobody's better at making repairs on machinery, so we have to follow standard Colonial Fleet procedure in this -- unless it's confirmed as destroyed (by gun cameras, witnesses, or wreckage) Galactica can only claim it as "Damaged." -- [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:27, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:::The Colonials just can't win. When the [[Wikipedia:Manfred von Richthofen|Red Baron]] scored his first kill, the brass said it was unconfirmed and didn't count. He flew into a rage, and the next time he scored a kill, while behind enemy lines, he landed, went to the downed craft and carved off the identifying insignia, and flew back to base with them. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

==Webisode series==

In [http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html this article] it's said that [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]], the webisode series bridging the gap between seasons 2 and 3, will have 10 episodes. In a [http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2750 recent interview], [[David Weddle]] mentioned that the Thompson & Weddle writing team were behind the webisode series. Not giving spoilers, just clarifying production details: How long will each of the 10 webisodes run? Will they be run on TV right before season 3 starts (I assume they would). Did the Thompson & Weddle writing team write each of the 10 webisodes? Do you have any idea who directed them? (were they made by one director, or did different ones do different webisdoes?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:48, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:48, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Are the webisodes live action or animated like the Doctor Who web series? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:15, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Thanks Mr. Thompson; at first from rumors we heard we thought each segment had it's own title and the first webisode out of 10 was titled "Crossroads". Mercifull, I've heard RDM in interviews talking about people actually filming it live, plus Leah Cairns said she wasn't one of the people appearing in it, implying that live-action people actually are. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:45, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::The webisodes are all live action, using our actors - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:01, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::In determining on how we should list it here on BSG Wiki, should it be associated with Season 2 or Season 3? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:10, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::I'm leaning towards Season 3. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:13, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Scar Podcast Transcribed==
While I personally HATE listening to recordings of myself, I thought I'd let you know that we've finished transcribing the [[Podcast:Scar|Scar podcast]] in case you interested in checking that out. We did our best, though it is sometimes hard to sort out who's who or pick up everything that is said. Any corrections are welcome. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:37, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:Let me get this straight: we lost both a "Starbuck naked in the bowels of the ship with a revolver" scene, and a "Starbuck strips off her flight suit, soaked in sweat, and takes a shower" scene from this episode? But it would have shown the mental state her character was in....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:01, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::The armed Starbuck naked in Galactica's bowels was an image Ron gave us to communicate an emotional place he wanted her to reach. It was never a scene. The soaked in sweat scene was shot but time didn't allow it to appear in the show. The shower part of it was not shot. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 14:12, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Odd, it was not included on the recent set of deleted scenes posted on Scifi.com; of course, I think they're saving most of the deleted scenes for the DVD set to encourage us to buy them...which I will. Yes, if you check our transcript for "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]" when Terry Moore insists to Ron that "yes, there are 5-6 people that listen to these things the day that they're posted online"....we're about half of those people :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

==Episode titles==

Your mention of "Exodus" brings up another point: BattlestarWiki has a news policy where we don't trust any news that cannot be sourced back to a cast or crewmember...the result being we don't trust some news even from TVGuide or the respectable www.gateworld.net because we think they're just repeating unsourced information which might be wrong. As you can see on our list of [[Season 3]] episodes, we've resorted to calling certain episodes "[[Episode 3.1]]" in order to err on the side of caution. As a result, we've currently listed:

*[[Episode 3.1]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.2]] -- written by Ronald D Moore, Dir by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Episode 3.3]] -- two parts, written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Felix Acala (Part 1) Part 2 is technically unassigned right now.
*[[Episode 3.4]] -- written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.5]] -- written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[Episode 3.6]] -- written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles
*[[Hero]] - name confirmed (and written by) David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] -name confirmed by Grace Park - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] -name confirmed by Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[Episode 3.10]] - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.11]] - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders
:: Please keep in mind that these credits have not yet been confirmed by the [[Wikipedia:Writers Guild of America|WGA]] or the [[Wikipedia:Directors Guild of America|DGA]]. Episodes 3.12 is about to go into preproduction. Eps 3.13-3.15 are in various stages of the pipeline. The directors have been assigned but - this is TV - anything can change. Eps 3.1 & 3.2 were merged to form a two-hour premiere episode, and 3.3 broken was into two episodes, which I guess technically makes them 3.2 & 3.3 -- but numbering is something I'll leave to you. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Like I said, many reputable websites have listed the names of the first 5 episodes (though they didn't confirm their source, so we didn't list them) as "Occupation", "Precipice", "Exodus", "Collaborators", and "Torn".

:: I can confirm that those are the titles on the scripts. None of them are final. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:32, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Chances of a change? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:35, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

'''Without asking for any information that is an actual spoiler''' (if something is a spoiler and cannot be revealed, please just say so) what are the names of the Season 3 episodes? (btw, do you know who wrote and directed some of these?) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:48, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::It's wise to avoid nailing titles down because the titles can (and do) change up to the date they air. I'll get back to you on the rest of this. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

BTW, Ron Moore just cleared up that "Exodus is a two parter" thing in the blog:
:"In another of our patented feats of editorial derring-do, we've taken what was to be episode 3, "Exodus" and crafted two episodes from it, thereby obviating the need to shoot one more show. As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "Exodus Part One." Confused? Good, that's the way we like it. Gotta keep the audience guessing." I'm still sorting through this...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:01, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

How could "Exodus, Part II" not have a director assigned yet?

:: I'm reading this from the in-house script status report - "Unassigned" just means his deal hadn't been struck at the time the report was generated. Directing credit is turf of the DGA. I believe the contractual obligation is that Felix must shoot the additional material needed for the two eps, unless he chooses to do otherwise. We're hoping his schedule will permit it, because he did a great job on the initial shoot. But this still leaves the official credit for the ep blank at the moment. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Haven't the first half of the episodes already been filmed?

::There are about eight minutes of material we still need to shoot to make both of them work. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you for this...incredible boon of information. Excellent that you and David got to write Exodus. I can only imagine that it can be best described by the phrase "Stuff's gonna 'splode"; looks like lots of fighting. Remember, the enemy's gate is down...

::Mr. Rymer's dailies are awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Anyway, I want to make sure I got this correct:
*[[Occupation]] - Episode 1 - written byRon Moore, directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
*[[Precipice]] - Episode 1.5 (aired the same night, same writer/director team)
*[[Exodus, Part I]] - Episode 2 - written by Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Exodus, Part II]] - Episode 3 - written Thompson & Weddle, director Felix Acala
*[[Collaborators]] - Episode 4 - written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Torn]] - Episode 5 -written by Anne Cofell Saunders, Dir by Jean de Segoznac
*[[A Measure of Salvation]] - Episode 6 - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Bill Eagles? RDM keeps calling Hero episode 7, but more than 6 episodes were listed before it above.
::That's because you're counting Occupation and Precipice as two eps. Which they used to be, but they will air as one massive season premiere. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
*[[Hero]] - Episode 7 (Ron and David keep referring to this as "Episode 7", so I think this one is in sync) written by David Eick, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Unfinished Business]] - Episode 8 - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Bob Young
*[[The Passage]] - Episode 9 (confirmed at the moment) writer Jane Espenson, Dir by Michael Nankin
*[[The Eye of Jupiter]] - Episode 10 - Christmas break cliffhanger two part episode. written by Mark Verheiden, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Rapture]] - Episode 11 - written by David Weddle & Bradley Thompson, Dir by Michael Rymer (This is the second half of the cliffhanger)
*[[Episode 3.12]] - written by Michael Taylor, Dir by Edward James Olmos
*[[Episode 3.13]] - written by Michael Angeli, Dir by Michael Rymer
*[[Episode 3.14]] - written by Mark Verheiden
*[[Episode 3.15]] - written by Anne Cofell Saunders

::Correct as noted, to the best of my knowledge today - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 16:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:07, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Thank you, sir. This entire concept of having "19" episodes, with the first being a super-episode which audaciously defies to be categorized as a mere "two part episode".....seems entirely fitting with RDM's essay on "[[Naturalistic science fiction]]", which set out that the show would break the old habits in all respects. Thanks. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:09, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

:I want to add my thanks too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:23, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:Bouns. Thanks for the tips and clarifiing some data. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:38, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:: de nada. Y'all are doing a good thing here. BTW, just found out that Felix is doing the additional shooting for Ep 3. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:35, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Just make sure you get the word.. that we want at least 10 seasons. That's about 50k pages. :D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:16, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Well okay, but personally I would wish the production team to "make the best stories possible", rather than just for a long time; I'd rather have one season of BSG, then not even get season two, than have a guarantee of 7 years and thus a repeat of Star Trek where they just kept it going until they bled it white. No, I'd rather see 5 trailblazing years of episodes which are practically small movies (like Hand of God).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

==Caprica==

Are any of the current BSG writing staff considering or expressing interest in writing episodes for the prequel series ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]''?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:50, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

::The issue has not yet come up. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 20:34, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

==Pegasus (Extended Version)==

The upcoming DVD release of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" in the Season 2.5 DVD will be the re-edited, 5-Act Extended Version of ''Pegasus''. Should we consider all of the scenes in this extended edition as non-canonical as the deleted scenes from other episodes? Many Lord of the Rings fans consider the "Extended Edition" longer DVD versions to be the "definative" version, not the theatrical release, which got me thinking on this. Case in point, there's reportedly a scene where Admiral Cain explains the technical differences between a [[Mercury class battlestar]] and a [[Galactica type battlestar]]: is this information not going to be "valid"? Much of the Deleted Scenes information we've examined previously has existed in a bizarre state of limbo on BattlestarWiki (but it's a system that works) in which we say "this is from a deleted scene and probably not canonical, but as it is not contradicted by anything (yet) its the current version" (i.e. Ellen Tigh said she'd been married to Saul Tigh for 7 years in a ''deleted'' scene, so we don't consider that ''strictly'' canonical. ——Of course the problem is, as Ron has explained in the podcasts, most BSG episodes run long (into the 50 minute range often) and many scenes are simply deleted for time (i.e. the problems that ensued when Apollo/Dualla relationship buildup scenes were cut, usually just for time, from other episodes)--->However, the difference in the Extended Version of (soon to be Hugo Award winning) "Pegasus" is that Ron has openly stated that almost ''all'' of this removed material was taken out simply for ''time'' issues, not ''story'' issues. How should we approach this material? --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:03, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::There is rumor that Ron Moore is even doing a ''separate'', new podcast for the Extended Version of ''Pegasus'', co-hosted with David Eick. Is this just wild rumor?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:23, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

=="Cally Henderson"?!==

[http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1996604#Post1996604 On the Scifi Messageboard]: "''At Comic-Con, I asked the writer Bradley Thompson what Cally's first name is and he said, "Cally is her first name. Her last name is Henderson." He said he didn't think her last name was ever used in the first two seasons, but he's pretty sure it comes up in Season 3.''" ——— '''Can you ''confirm'' this?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:38, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::I'm not sure when we established Cally's surname as Henderson, but it's been in and out of several scripts. I know we originally had it in a line during the webisodes, but it vanished during a later draft. The art department has been using it to label her clothing, lockers, etc, since Ron christened her. She took Tyrol as her last name when she married the chief. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Thanks! Yes, the BSGverse is very gender-neutral, and although [[Caroline Adama]], etc. established that many women do take the surname of their husband, I wasn't entirely sure how far the gender-neutrality of everything extended (Indeed, Ron apparently has even toyed with the idea of saying that Admiral Cain's colony, Tauron, was matriarchal). But this is excellent news. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:33, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

I guess this would make her (as of season 3) "Cally Henderson Tyrol"? Actress Nicki Clyne always felt "Cally" was her first name too. How is this reconciled with how at some points in the series (I'd have to look hard to find them) people have called her "Specialist Cally", as if that were her last name (by including rank)....come to think of it, there is a possibility that no one ever actually called her "Specialist Cally" in dialogue. I will check. (Btw, while I'm on the subject, who is this "Mexichick": she's one of the regulars in Terry Moore's thread on the Scifi board, and seems to have contact with several cast or crew members).

I must say, Cally is one of the best characters on the show. She won Best Supporting Actress in our [[Golden Toaster Awards|large-scale online fan awards supported by Ron himself]], beating out Dualla, Racetrack, Kat, and Ellen Tigh (it was a landslide victory). Sorry to get so excited, but I'm a card-carrying member of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/index.php?act=idx Nicki Clyne fansite]. You see I've actually been watching Trek from Next Gen, through DS9, and then the Voyager and Enterprise years, and I really feal that "lets get ratings fast by inserting Seven of Nine! Put T'Pol in a blatant shower scene!" stuff was a big blow to scifi genre tv, as it took out a lot of seriousness and believability. I viewed Cally as the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and living embodiement of Ron's essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]]: instead of one Lara Croft-esque supersoldier Hot Space Babe [TM] main character surrounded by redshirts, on BSG Cally is a *third tier character* and a *female* who gets incredible development and characterization (note: I AM a male aged 18 to 25, it's just that even WE got sick of 7 of 9 and T'Pol).

A few of use on the messageboards in early 2005 just said "hey, that girl from the Miniseries was cool, we hope we see her more"...then came "[[Bastille Day]]" and her popularity exploded. She's the girl next door. And it just became a treat to see she was in and episode, like "Six Degrees of Separation", or "Flight of the Phoenix", or Fragged and Resistance (her standout episodes). It's the same reason we like Kat and Racetrack: they're well rounded, secondary female characters; and like Tyrol and Helo, minor characters can *actually die* in a given episode, increasing the tension. (I.e. Starbuck wouldn't die in Scar, but Kat might have, so I was actually invested in her fate).

And Cally just gradually grew into this really popular character online, from the grassroots up. Some people think it's a joke, but it's because we seriously like the actress and character and think it's one of the elements of scifi genre tv that BSG has fixed.

Btw, have you decided what colony she is from yet? (That is, will it be mentioned in Season 3?)--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:55, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::Not yet. Hasn't been relevant so far in 3, but we've got seven more shows to break. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 15:43, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[Exodus!]] v. [[Exodus, Part I]] ==

Is there going to be any simularities between the ''Marvel comic'' and these episode's? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:22, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would doubt it, Shane, because afaik the Exodus comic was an adaptation of ''Saga of a Star World''. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. I realized it a little late, but hey, it could happen. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:07, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

== Cally vs Caprica-Sharon ==

I've been listenning through the writer's podcasts that Ron put up on Scifi.com, like the one for "Sacrifice" etc. -->Was a scene of Caprica-Sharon bumping into Cally in a ''Galactica'' hallway ever filmed and was then deleted? I'd assume that Cally would encounter ''Galactica''-Sharon (one she shot) on New Caprica next season, so if that other scene was never filmed I guess this would be their first encounter. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

==Tyrol's Pegasus service==
In "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", Chief Tyrol listed off that he had served on Battlestars ''Atlantia'', ''Columbia'', and ''Pegasus'', since he was 18. This was actually the first time ''Pegasus'' was mentioned in the series, and it led some to speculate that Tyrol knew some of the ''Pegasus'' crew from before: in an intervew, Aaron Douglas said that a fan asked him about this at a convention, and he said he had never realized that about the referrence, and as far as he knew his character's behind-the-scenes backstory contained nothing particular about his time on ''Pegasus'', (i.e. he didn't really have a relationship with anyone on it, he just served on it along with a dozen other ships); however he said he didn't know what the writers intended. Was there supposed to be any higher significance behind this?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:52, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

==Helmets==

I've noticed that the helmets the piliots wear in Season 2 are different from the ones used through Season 1; were they changed because the actors thought the old ones were too bulky or something? I liked what Ron and David said on the Miniseries DVD commentary, that it's kind of weird but cool how the helmets scrunch the faces of the pilots so they look like they're in an entirely different world (i.e. Grace Park's face looks drastically different when she puts a helmet on, and Jamie and Katee too) so it doesn't just look like "a person on a soundstage" but seems more like they're actually in this other environment. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:31, 5 August 2006 (CDT)

== RE: Military Ships ==

Dear Brad,

I like to thank you for joining the discussions on BattlestarWiki. It's nice to see cast and crew and even producers talk to the fans, and act politely compared to many pompous skinjobs out in the frakking world. The question I pose to you, is that I'm aware of a statement Cylon Number 0, also known as "Ronald D. Moore" said in his Scifi Podcast that the Battlestars had support ships in the fleet in Battlestar Groups, analogous to modern day Aircraft Carriers. What I want to know is that the possibility of ALL military ships being destroyed is very how to say; unrealistic. That's not to say that this series has been unrealistic, the fact that many in the Colonial Military reverted to networking after a semi recent war with heuristic machines seems about right with human nature and their lazy ways. But to get back to the point, would it be likely that some military vessels (besides the obvious, Galactica and Pegasus) survived. Many have pointed out that the Todd Boyce fan produced ship model, the 'Defender' has been seen, but I'm not sure how to take this as an "official" military spacecraft. If so, can they maybe rejoin the fleet? --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 01:49, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

User talk:Spencerian

2006-08-06T23:44:39Z

Volostheguardian:

''For discussions prior to January 1, 2006, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASpencerian&diff=21890&oldid=21664 click here.]''

''For discussions prior to June 1, 2006, [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Spencerian&oldid=60768 click here.]''

== New Article: Emergency Jump Coordinates ==

Hey spenc, would you mind taking a look at the new [[Emergency Jump Coordinates|Article]]? It´s my first one and I´m not very good at syntax yet. Looking forward to any kind of constructive criticism!

== hey, thanks! ==

thanks for the praise! my next idea was to write a little piece for the FTL article, about the way that jump coordinates are actually calculated. this would be based upon the miniseries and scattered.
what do you think?

:<del>Jump calculation stuff would be purely speculative since this hasn't been explained in the show in terms of technology. While the Colonials obviously have a spatial coordinate system to use for FTL, we the viewers haven't a reference that makes sense to us. Nor has the technical workings of this been explained. Keep in mind that BSG's magic works by avoiding [[technobabble]] for two reasons: (1), it's not realistic, and (2) describing technology in too much detail forces future stories to conform to that writing or write something else, causing continuity issues (Star Trek is filled with these issues). I advise not writing such an article. Oh, be sure to sign your comments. To do this, place four tilde characters (that's this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your comment. You can indent by placing a colon at the start of the paragraph. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:41, 1 June 2006 (CDT)</del>
:Never mind...read your additions. You kept it to a logical framework and to episode details. Nice addition. Keep working on your wiki formatting and you'll do fine. Thanks! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:50, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

== New and Improved ==

Warning System [[Battlestar Wiki:Template List#User Talk Space Warnings|Here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:53, 3 June 2006 (CDT)

:Thanks, Shane. I saw you working to make these warning tags yesterday. We should use them judiciously (that is, we should probably ask an admin to use them first), but it will help flag a user on what's going on without us causing misunderstandings. Thanks. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:40, 4 June 2006 (CDT)
::I updated the template. Check out the usage on the way it works. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:16, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
:::<del>Will do. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:03, 7 June 2006 (CDT)</del>Done. They work as advertised. Hopefully won't have to use them often. Thanks much, Shane! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:10, 7 June 2006 (CDT)

== [[BW:SAC]] ==

Per my tlak page, thi s is the policy I am pointing out on the [[Computer]] page: [[BW:SC#Links_to_Episodes]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:16, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
:Thanks, Shane. You pointed out an issue I thought long resolved. I noted a proposed change to get this worked out for good on the SAC talk page. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:03, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks for ackoldeging your mistake. I am changing the page until or if the policy takes effect. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:05, 23 June 2006 (CDT)

== Reply ==

This is Homeworld616 and I'm replying to your message on my talk page. I don't know how this works, whether you go back to my user talk page or if I reply on yours, so in order to avoid making myself look like an introvert who doesn't respond to his messages, I left replies on both pages. Tell me if I'm doing something wrong.

Anyway, thanks for the compliments on the articles. Feels nice to have fellow fans who are atuned to the Colonies. About the Caprican news station, you're right. They never actually said the name. However, I base my findings on two facts: (1) When Baltar is being interviewed by Kellan Brody of In the Spotlight, if you look in the (I think) lower right-hand corner of the screen, you can see a white logo of a number 7 in the middle of a circle (that is the "booger" you were referring to?). (2) Brody makes a big deal about her show interviewing only Caprican headline-makers. Based on the logo's number and the pro-Caprican bias of the anchorwoman, the station's name must be Caprica 7. I can always change the name to Channel 7 if the community reaches the concensus that my findings for Caprica 7 aren't good enough, but I plan to leave the name just like it is. I'm going to check out those links you sent me. Contact me if you've got more stuff to talk about.

P.S. I recently posted a reformed article [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]. Check it out if this topic interests you. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 10:23, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:I think he may have [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Unnamed_Cities_of_Caprica&diff=61568&oldid=61560 seen it]. (He's the man when it comes to "Conventionizing and concising.") --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:27, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
::Well that would explain a whole ton of edits I found when I looked at the article yeasterday. I appreciate those edits, as they cleared up some errors I had unintentionally put in the article. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 10:31, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Yep, all taken care of. "Boomer" is ''always'' the ''Galactica'' Sharon Valerii. Once she was "outed" and to avoid confusion, the convention I've pushed is to use "Caprica-Valerii" to distinguish from Boomer. Using "Boomer-Valerii" is redundant, or using "Boomer" to speak of any consciousnesses who isn't specifically the sleeper Valerii is just wrong, so... Yes, usually we just speak on one talk page, using the edit summary to "alert" others of a response. Marking the page by watching it can alert to changes faster from your watchlist. If it's really important that you see my response, I would make a short note on your page to flag your new message banner. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:36, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

== Trek BIOS Flash ==

Hey, man. I know you're a recovering Trek fan as well. I wondered if you'd seen [http://bztv.typepad.com/newsviews/2006/06/spaced_out_star.html this]. Read the linked treatment (in pdf form). I got very excited reading it, then sad because it will likely never get made. I think this is exactly what the Trek universe needs. Ah well. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 14:38, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

:Chiming in; although I felt a "reboot" would be nice, it also sounded like a rehash of Kirk and Spock again. Granted, JMS is a talented writer and probably ''would'' have made it feel "fresh", but in principle it still just sounds like the same thing over and over again. I don't think JMS' idea was bad (it was better than what Berman and Braga were doing!) but not ultimatley a good choice. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:15, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

:: Since you mention JMS, this idea wouldn't be related to [http://worldsofjms.com/usenet/post/060624a.htm this] or has anyone heard anything else? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Problem is, the whole 'young kirk/spock' idea is old. Was bandied about in about '90/'91 before Trek VI came out. Everyone rejected it back then cause it would suck. My god i'm being blunt today! :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:04, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: Turns out JMS announcement is about [http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-17565 this]. Sounds like he may have finally hit the big time. However, it may lead Paramount to pursue him again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:48, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::Hm. I guess I have the same attitude about this as I did on RDM's announcement: I'll believe it when I see it. ''Star Trek's'' problem today is that there is (1) no continuity whatsoever, and (2) too many cooks. If I had fan-god powers, I'd have most of Viacom's executives and producers bundled with their lawyers and hurled ass-first into the nearest active volcano, and then I'd consider appointing as creative consultants some guys who have spent a lot of money making their own [http://www.newvoyages.com new adventures of the original ST series] (with official approval from Paramount, surprisingly). This is a must-download; it almost makes me long for Star Trek again. Almost. I'm happy for JMS, too. It would be nice to let RDM do Star Trek. One Slashdot guy said, on the announcement of "[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]": "If Ron Moore announced that he was bringing ''The Phone Book'' to the small screen, I'd watch it." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:00, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::I just read that Slashdot discussion, and it is so much worse than even average Slasdot discourse that tears came to my eyes. I liked that your comment managed to pass default threshold, though, even if I was stunned to see it wasn't modded "Informative." --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 02:16, 30 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::::Am I one of the only ones here who doesnt think that much of the Star Trek series, especially the orignial series?
*Step 1: Orbit unchartered planet.
*Step 2: Landing crew consisting of Captain Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Ensign Dave in a redshirt go to planet
*Step 3: Crew come across mysterious "man in a suit" creature
*Step 4: Ensign Dave gets eaten
*Step 5: Crew finds out that local village made up of only hot women is being terrorised by the creature.
*Step 6: The crew kill the creature
*Step 7: Kirk makes out with hot alien woman
*Step 8: Enterprise leaves orbit to find some other planet
::::::: Its the same plot every episode... Please dont kill me :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:17, 30 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::::Step 7 reminded of [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Captain_Kirk this]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:23, 30 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Ain't that place fun, Frankie?
:::::::::You hit the nail on the head, Mercifull; it WAS the same plot points. I can distill things better, though:
:::::::::#How do we kill it?
:::::::::#How do we keep it from killing us (or everyone)?
:::::::::#How do we help it?
:::::::::#How do I (Kirk, usually) love it (without causing items 1-3)?
:::::::::Take a look at the Original Series and compare it to any successors. Despite its basic plot points, however, it withstands muster because the story wasn't the technology, but the people, all flawed, but damned determined, like the Cowboys of the West. In the Original Series, at least the show was character-driven, like BSG today. The best two ST movies, "The Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact", were very character driven, used regular-series material, and were fun. The Next Generation and much of DS9 had better moments than not, but were still filled with technobabble and other nonsense that pushed the plot and badly. BSG can take something as simple as looking for things like ''water'' and ''fuel'' or, heaven help us, a ''baby'' and turn the plot into something we just won't want to miss. ST is a morass; at least in the Original Series, it worked. Today, I just don't know what to think of it. I think of the SF culture now like the airline industry. "Airlines" like BSG, B5, Farscape, and Stargate say to their flyers, "We know you have a choice in SF, and we're glad you chose us." Viacom doesn't know or care what to do. I suspect that will change, maybe even with this movie. I doubt it, however. It will take a RDM-like transformation--and if we thought our gnashing of teeth on RDM Galactica's announcement was big, imagine what fans will do if ST got "re-imagined." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:07, 30 June 2006 (CDT)

== Need a Deletion ==

I don't know who to send this to, but since you have seniority I thought I'd tell you. I've made a pretty bad error. Not an hour ago watched the [[Miniseries]] all the way through and, you remember that [[Caprica 7]] article I made? The TV station's name is actually Caprica ''5''. The "7" is actually from '''Channel 7 News''', also shown in the Miniseries. I'm going to split that Caprica 7 article into two new articles, one for Caprica 5 and the other for Channel 7 News. Sigh. I shouldn't have jumped onto that article without watching my source again. Oh well. Anyway, I need the trigger pulled on Caprica 7 (as soon as I make the other two articles, of course). If you or someone could get on that I'd appreciate it. Take your time of course. Then again, this would probably be a good time for me to learn how to delete articles. Any approach you want to take is fine with me. I'll tell you when the other articles are done. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 16:20, 5 July 2006 (CDT)
:For future reference, just tag an article with a <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> that you need deleted, and one of the mop-bearers (admins) should come along and clean it up. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:51, 5 July 2006 (CDT)
::All right. I'll remember that. Thanks. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 09:24, 6 July 2006 (CDT)

== State of the Wiki ==
While the [[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|OSAD]] project is far from being 100%, I was wondering if you were going to reassess the current state of the wiki (as you did before, when you found the TOS content to be so woefully inadequate). The TOS space has come a long way now that nearly every non-terminology article has a picture, and red links are an endangered species. It has kind of made me wonder if it might be worthwhile to have a "state of the wiki" report that breaks down the wiki into areas and is periodically (but regularly) updated regarding the progress in those areas. Maybe something for the think tank after I let it ferment a bit. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:35, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:Yep, it has all come a long way in a year, and a review is overdue. I think the comparative aspect between other wikis works well so we don't compare ourselves with ourselves to the point where it seems like the Oscars and the self-backslapping you see there. At the same time, I wonder if it's "fair" for me to make that self-assessment by my lonesome now. Maybe it's a Joe thing, with us commenting or voting on key aspects of the wiki to form the final collective assessment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:40, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

::Peter Jackson talked about wanting to be hypnotized to forget he had anything to do with LOTR so that he could objectively watch and critique it. Objectivity may indeed be difficult to achieve from an "insider". The trouble is... it can be hard finding "outsiders" to be judges. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:45, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

:::I'm in the middle of massive fixes to the Wiki; could you please give me a few days before making any assessments guys? (Need to clear up RL work, then I'm going to sit down an make like 1,000 edits at a sitting, ''soon''). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 12:59, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

::::No problem. We were still very much in the "talk it over" phase. Though I am curious what the 1,000 edit marathon will be in regards to. (As long as it isn't a spoiler, in which case I can wait...) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:04, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

::::Waiting is fine. Perhaps we know of someone on Wikipedia who can give a fair critique? Or a noted Battlestar expert (aside from the 500 of us...). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:06, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

I wouldn't mind someone from the outside giving us their constructive criticisms and thoughts on the wiki, and maybe comparing it to a self-assessment of ourselves (just to see any similarities or differences between viewpoints). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:00, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

: Yes, I think that last ia key, Joe. While an outsider is going to be more objective, we're much more intimately aware of our goals and scope than an outsider could be. In anycase, I'd be happy with whatever y'all think is good, as far as this topic goes. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 09:51, 15 July 2006 (CDT)

::OK, then. I'll work on a new review for posting by this Tuesday or so, but once I post it, we should all take a accepting or dissenting crack at my comments, and if possible, find someone that also can make an assessment. That way we get all opinion while having a place to begin criticism. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:13, 15 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Please try to make it Wednesday. I should be done with a large round of edits by then. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:26, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
::::I think he was talking about LAST Tuesday (see his posting time), but it looks like it hasn't happened yet anyway. I wouldn't worry about it, though, as I think this is more "big picture" stuff than anything that could be done in a couple of days (or even weeks). "Strategic" rather than "tactical" analysis. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:38, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

Guess what? I'm approximately 80% done with the article. I don't know where to host it, however. I'd rather it be a separate article, so I may break it out as such, where we can move it as necessary. Look for it towards the weekend. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:51, 2 August 2006 (CDT)
:[[Sources:Battlestar Wiki State, Part II]] ? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:07, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

== Seriously? ==

Drink less water? --[[User:Airylli|Airylli]] 05:16, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

:Yep. That's what he said. I won't dispute the guy who got Christopher Reeve to look as good as he did in his Superman suit...and could force-choke me for disagreeing. :) Water worked great at first to fill me up, but after my first 15 pounds I figured it and my workout were something my body was expecting, so I adjusted it and it worked. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:58, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

== Think ==

The tank need your input. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:36, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

== [[Portal:Books and Comics]] ==

Was an idea I had. Check the [[Portal talk:Books and Comics]] page for the setup idea. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:33, 2 August 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar Names List? ==

You put in the Zoic Studios page that Zoic released a list of names of battlestars in the fleet, and I cannot the list. Can you give a link on where it is located to verify if it is even fact. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 18:44, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)/Archive 1

2006-08-06T19:21:17Z

Volostheguardian: /* Atlantia */

== Religeous Variance ==

Specifically, in the bit about funerals... It sounds a bit harsh to say that priests do the funerals regardless of the beliefs of the deceased. It makes it sound like they're Muslims getting Catholic funerals. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Methodist funeral and a Protestant funeral if my life depended on it. I think that this (apparently) unilateral handling of funerals is more indicative of the (mostly) unified religeon of the Colonies, rather than a callous behavior of some kind of oppressive theocracy. The only people who seem like they have a truely different religeous idea are Tigh, Adama and Billy, and they don't seem to strongly anti-religeon that they'd roll over at their religeous funeral. I didn't make an edit to reflect this, though, because this is rather subjective. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:23, 10 September 2005 (EDT) (Post Script: I'm working on getting that picture. My Mac's having some technical issues.)

==Unknowns==

:''Rules applying to the priesthood may or may not be the same throughout the Twelve Colonies. It is possible that certain schools of the priesthood practice celibacy, but Chief [[Tyrol]] stated that his father was a priest and his mother an oracle, so it would not be adhered to by all denominations of the religion of the Twelve Colonies.''

:''This may vary considerably from one Colony to the next: [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenons]] believe in the literal truth of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] and are quite fundamentalist, while [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Capricans]] seem fairly secular in their treatment of Church-State relations.''

I really don't see the point in noting may-or-may-nots and it-is-not-knowns. The idea here is to state everything we do know - everything we don't state is logically unknown. I'm not opposed to informed speculation, but simply listing the areas we haven't heard about seems fruitless.

== The Chicken And Egg Origin of the Greek/Kobol Gods ==

Since the 13th Tribe populated Earth, all the while bringing their religion from Kobol, this suggests that the ''Greek gods'' are the offshoots to the Kobol gods, not the reverse. This fits with the other Olympian gods not (yet) mentioned in the Kobol religion, but present in the Olympian religion.

This suggestion creates several interesting possibilities for thought.

* There wasn't a human population already on Earth with its own religion. The religion of Kobol grew to form the Olympian gods.
* There ''was'' an existing human population, and the Colonial humans and native terrans merged genes and religion, which might have included other beings we know as the Olympian and quasi-Olympian gods.
* The Tribe somehow lost their technological base of information and went into a new dark age similar to what the Tribes experienced before, increasing their need for divine aid (and expansion of the Kobol religion to form the Olympian components). This also kept the 13th Tribe from returning to know the fate of their brothers in the other Tribes.
* The 13th Tribe landed in the Mediterreanean area of Earth (presuming their Earth is ''"our"'' Earth), in what we historically have called the "seat of human civilization."

The hologram in the [[Tomb of Athena]] suggests that the constellations and celestial bodies of Earth were either known already to the Kobol tribes and were programmed into the Tomb before they left, or a 13th Tribe member from Earth returned to do this. If neither are true, then there is real problem with how the Tomb received this information, and the need or ability for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] to be available (and noted in the Sacred Scrolls) as capable of showing the way to a place the Tribes had not yet visited (unless you count in the "all this has happened and will happen again" part of the Scrolls).

I edited the article with the point in mind as it seemed too strong to suggest otherwise. Thoughts on this or points against the notion? (This also keeps us from blowing brain cells on who created what.) [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:34, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

: See the "Three Exodus" portion of [[Sacred Scrolls]] for something that explains this. It was written by me, so perhaps I'm biased towards it being true, but if it is, then the pictures inside the Tomb of Athena ''do'' fall under the "All this has happened before..." clause. As does the dissemination of the Gods. However, I agree that it's probable that the 13th Tribe brought the Lords of Kobol with them to Earth. It's just that, after that, they also brought them ''back'' to Kobol so that they would be there to be brough to Earth again in the next cycle. I hope that's coherent. It's hard talking in circles like this. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:07, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

::I don't think its necessary or interesting to note that in this much detail - the History article covers the origin of the twelve colonies in substantially more detail. To that end, I'd prefer to revert your comments, if you're not terribly attatched. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:10, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it's not that bad. I'm going to clarify it slightly, but it would probably be useful to keep it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:16, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

::::Actually I would say that Humans where born on earth and went to Kobold as said above, not that Kobold brought the gods to earth, '''life here began out there those are the first words of the ancient scrolls and they where told to us by the lords of Kobold countless centuries ago''' The big one there is ''life here'' lets look at that, they are bluntly stating in a way that life on kobold is not native it began out in space, the ties to earth mythology, technology, referances etc can only be explained so many ways.

::::Take adama's ship (the model) it's a classic schoonar, now you can call 'paralell development' but only to an extent we know that the colonies had space technology when they where founded which leads us to believe that the schoonar is older then that the design anyway, we also know apparently from flash backs etc that Kobold was fairly advanced heck we know they had holographic technology... Which in turn points to the fact that maybe they where not native to Kobold either.

::::I'd prefure to look at it something like this, at some stage we the good old 13th colony reached a point where we had FTL technology and in turn we expanded we spread out and colonised the stars, Kobold was one of those maybe at the time we had advanced enough through gene manipulation or the such that the 13 Lords of Kobold where immortals or at least enhanced humans while the 'normals' who lived in peace with the lords where from a Genetic databank (or perhaps we moved there in an ark to escape some cataclism on earth) over time the origins of were they came from began to fade until the exodus from kobold. Which began the whole cycle again.. (in turn this would show the All this has happened before and all this will happen again part).

::::Even still there are disrepancy's within the shows own words.. the 13th Colony left kobold in the early days and settled on a planet around a distant and unknown star.... that has been proven to be a false statement, it was not unknown, the Koboldians KNEW about it, apparently even the scriptures themselves know that from Earth you can look up at the stars and see the 12 other colonies, the Zodiac.. When you take these facts into account the belief that Kobold is the original planet is impossible, because the Only way you can get the exact star alignments for those Zodiac's is within a set distance (5 or so Light years presuming None of the stars within 5 light years make up the Zodic pieces) of Earth.. No Life began on earth and went to kobold it's the only way one can explain so much of what is Canon of the show now. [[User:RobGraham|RobGraham]]21:03 Thursday 29th June Australian EST.

::::: A note: It's "Kobol". The one is a planet, the other is a small dogish creature from D&D (if I remember right). Anyway, I think you're getting tied up in a linear idea of time. You have to keep in mind there that ''is'' no true point of genesis. You can pick any point in the cycle and get back to it. So, take "humans on Earth" as your starting point:

::::: Something makes them leave Earth and move to Kobol. They forget Earth. The Big Bad Thing happens and they flee to the 13 colonies (the Twelves Colonies and Earth). They forget Kobol and Earth. Another Big Bad Thing (Cylons) happens and they flee the Twelve to go find the Thirteenth. Presumably, they settle. They forget Kobol and the Twelve Colonies. Something makes them leave Earth and move to Kobol. They forget Earth. Repeat, repeat.

::::: That's my "Three Exodi" interpretation, anyway. And, in it, from the point of view of the Kobolites, life ''did'' begin "out there" on Earth. That's where they all came from, ''most recently''. I hope that helps explain how everything has already come before. Sure the origin of the zodiacs necessarily comes from Earth. That's incorperated into the theory. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 14:55, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

== Zephyr ==

About where in the episode is this mentioned? Is it explicitly stated that the ''Zephyr'' is named after a God, or is it just mentioned? It is my understanding that a zephyr is a gust of wind and, thus, not an imp[robable name for a ship with that meaning. Unless it's explicit, I think this point is ambiguous at best. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:11, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:No, he's right. See [[Wikipedia:Zephyrus|Zephyrus]]. Very nice catch, Spence. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:14, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Woah! Zephyrus lived in a cave on ''Thrace''? That can't be accidental. It hadn't occured to me until I saw it, but I knew this. I played a pice a few years ago called the ''March of the Young Thracians'' or something. Anyway, I'm not sure about Zephyr, still. He wasn't one of the "main" Greek Gods, as it were, so I don't think we can make an assumption that he's a Lord of Kobol. They may have lesser gods like the Greeks did that just have never been mentioned, or it might be that some effects dude at Zoic named the ship that because it makes a good name for a ship, not realizing that it's also an allusion to a Greek god. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:22, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:::A link to Kara Thrace's article already noted this, which is where I felt the Zephyr note was credible. Kara's name (as in a human aided by the "winds") and the link to Zephyrus couldn't be a coincidence--RDM had that one down. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:55, 4 October 2005 (EDT)

:::Right, but he ''is'' a god, the Colonials apparently know about him, and we don't have any knowlege on whether the colonials separate the Lords of Kobol from minor deities - so it's probably important to note, and there isn't really a better place for it. (FWIW, they did apparently distinguish between upper and lower demons). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:29, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

== Liturgy ==
Does anyone know what language Elosha's funeral prayer is in at the end of the Mini-series? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:30, 3 October 2005 (EDT)
:You may already know this answer by now (though others may not), but she is singing in sanskrit from text used in the Hindu faith. A good [http://navras.boourns.net/extra.php fan site] about the end title song to "The Matrix Revolutions", called "Navras", shows the Brhadaranyaka Upanisad 1.3.28 exactly as Elosha sung it and as used in that Matrix end title by composer Don Davis and the artist known as Juno Reactor.

::''asato ma sad gamaya'' 
::''tamaso ma jyotir gamaya'' 
::''mrtyor mamrtam gamaya'' 

:In English:

::''From delusion lead me to truth'' 
::''From darkness lead me to light'' 
::''From death lead me to immortality'' 

:I've watched the Mini-Series countless times now, and used the "Navras" music as some of my workout music. I knew about the sanskit origin, but Eiosha's song was familiar to me and I didn't know why until someone here pointed out that it was a source I already knew. Damn fine soundtracks for both the Mini-Series and "The Matrix" movies, by the way. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:50, 13 December 2005 (EST)

::I actually prefer In My Head, Tetsujin, and You All, Everybody. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:53, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:::I don't recognize the last one, but yes, the first two are also great tracks. I always visualize Trinity kicking butt and taking names when those two tracks are on. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:01, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::::Oh come on, surely you must know it: "You all, You all everybody/Acting like such stupid people/wearing expensive clothes/You all, you all, You all, everybody..."--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:38, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::Yes, I incorporated that into the Language in the Twelve Colonies article. That seems to me to be the more appropriate place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:12, 14 December 2005 (EST)

==Priesthood==

Spencerian added:

:Like denominations on Earth, it is possible that there are varying kinds of priests and customs that share elements of worship of the Lords of Kobol, with some subtle or significant differences. It is probable that, based on their devotion, a Genemon priest (in comparison to one, say, on Caprica) may have a more defined worship or celebration process, or may speak or pay more respects to one or a handful of Lords in preference over others, as Kara Thrace devoted prayer to her specific Lords. The contrast would be akin to the Catholic, Episopal, and Lutheran churches of real-world Earth.

As my fellow contributors know, I frown on plausible but baseless speculation. I don't think this is useful here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:48, 1 November 2005 (EST)

:Removing. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:08, 3 November 2005 (EST)

==Zoic==

Where and in what capacity did Zoic "release" those names? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:28, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:You know this "reference" as well as I, and I would as well like to see the press release or web site reference where Zoic gave us this information. I know this is circular and that the Great Delete Key of the Citation Jihad may be quivering over that item, but I did note its non-canonical nature, but at the same time, considering its an official production company of the show, its also hard to prove them wrong--this information might be in the mysterious [[series bible]] for all we know. Maybe Joe would know old Ernestborg9's resource. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:26, 8 December 2005 (EST)

::Non-canonical is one thing, but uncited and non-canonical is past my limit. I mean, we could just start making random shit up and say that Zoic said it, and really, nobody would be there to catch us. We have to police ourselves on this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:35, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:::If this is the case, we need to delete ALL the battlestar pages or rework them to remove those old Zoic references. I'm OK on this, but we have a lot of work to do. The Zoic thing here has been like the "weird uncle" in the family that you don't talk about or leave the daughters with, but let come to family gatherings anyway. Probably time to purge all references to Zoic's battlestars, maybe moving them to the Zoic page, and deleting the rest. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:15, 8 December 2005 (EST)

::::Well, the ''best'' thing to do would be to find the source of the quote, but I haven't had any luck. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:22, 8 December 2005 (EST)

==Atlantia==
How should we handle this reference? The Atlantia and Pacifica were presumably named after the Atlantic and Pacific oceans (in real life). The Atlantic ocean is named for Atlas, not Atlantia, but that's not necessarily implied by anything on-screen (and if it were really named after the ocean, it would probably be Atlantica.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:00, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:I'd stick to what we know, until we find something better. Atlas was a founder of Atlantis, so we can add this contradicting resource since Pegasus also has differing sources of origin. Greek myth is always full of contradictions anyway. Given that there's no Atlantic Ocean in the Colonies as far as we know, and the Lords tend to be Olympian, not Titan, gods, I'd go for the dryad origin. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:26, 8 December 2005 (EST)

==The Jealous God==
Ricimer said: ''Although it is tantalizing to claim that the Cylon God is the rebelious Lord of Kobol, I don't think #6 has ever claimed that they're the same one.''

:When Six says to Baltar, "Blasphemous, stupid lies. There have never been any other gods, only the One," it seems to me that she's referring to the one Elosha was just speaking about. You may be right that the inference is too tenuous for the article, though. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:56, 12 December 2005 (EST)

::I love this idea as well, very tantalyzing indeed, but perhaps it belongs in an analysis section to be added to the deleted scenes article. --[[User:MASON|Mason]] 23:21, 12 December 2005 (EST)

::: You see although I'd ''like'' to equate the two, I don't think we can ''yet''; it's more for an "Analysis" section. It seems to me that Number Six in that scene was talking about ALL of the Gods that Elosha was talking about, the Jealous God AND the other 11 ''collectively''. It's not clear enough of a statement. I'm kind of secretly hoping that the cylons were taught the advanced technology needed to make humanoid Cylons from the Count Iblis equivalent of this series, which turns out to be the jealous Lord of Kobol; however, as Ron D. Moore has pointed out, that would kind of "gut" the religion of the Cylons: the Cylons are sentient beings in their own right, and all sentient beings have a claim to a soul and a concept of god once they're intelligent enough to grasp such concepts, and turning around and saying "well the whole idea of Cylons having a religion and thinking they have their own souls? Turns out they got duped by a god-like alien, which, although very powerful, ain't really a god, just more like Q from Star Trek or something", saying that would somehow seem to unfairly lessen the Cylons in my opinion. Maybe they can work the two concepts together tactfully (Cylons developed a concept of God BEFORE meeting Count Iblis, and Iblis is claiming to be the "real Cylon god"? , etc.). I don't know. But we don't have a lot to go on. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:43, 13 December 2005 (EST)

:::: I agree with almost everything you've written, and although I like to speculate that ideas, like Iblis, will be tied back into RDM's Cylon religion, I appreciate that this speculation can only exist in a limited form on the wiki. I don't entirely agree with you on the idea that the Cylons religious credibility would be compromised by a manifested God, for this cyclical pattern working itself out in the show reminds me very much of Isaac Asimov's [http://mit.edu/tylerc/www/twt/LQ1.htm The Last Question], which was satisfying in its vast simplicity.

I like to add a little bit, not to sound pompous but there can be some connection from the Cylon god and the Jealous god. The Jealous God started the war because he wanted to be placed above the other ones, starting the so called "War of the Gods." So he is thrown out and loses, so he wanders around and finds the Cylons. Maybe he inspires them to rebel and they do. He sets himself up as their god, and it is concurrent with what the Cylons think of the Colonial Gods; i.e. the other gods are fake, their one god is the true god. The Jealous God wishes to be placed above the others, and ends up finding a lost race, the Cylons and takes them as his own.

I mean, he may have set himself up as this seemingly beneficial, but ultimately devious figure. It may possibly be a correlation to Count Iblis. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:09, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

== Religious Issue ==

the Lords of Kobol are a part of a fictional story. the Greek Olympians are worshipped both by people in ancient times and by living people. the religion is not "shared", rather the Lords are based upon the real-world religion. i realize that this may seem a minor issue to some of you, but it is a significant semantic assumption to make that the Lords are the same as the Olympians. [[User:Whateley23|Whateley23]] 01:46, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:Indeed, it does seem like a minor issue. There is nothing wrong with the current phrasing in my opinion, and I will not change it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:09, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:: I think that the assumption is not that both are fictional, but that the story will tell us they are of the same origin (also implying that the story is not fictional, though it clearly is). ''Within the fictional universe of Ronald D. Moorse's'' Battlestar Galactica, The Lords of Kobol and the Greek Olympians are/were the same thing. We also state that Vipers can do such and such and that ''Galactica'' has certain armaments, but we don't make any caveats about the fact that the nukes in the show are actually ''fictional'' nukes for fear of offending nuclear scientists currently working on related technologies. Everything except the articles on actors and other clearly-real things, should be taken as if it were prefaced by the italics above: We know the show's not real, so don't let our comments about it reflect on reality. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:08, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Talk:Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)/Archive 1

2006-08-06T19:09:44Z

Volostheguardian: /* The Jealous God */

== Religeous Variance ==

Specifically, in the bit about funerals... It sounds a bit harsh to say that priests do the funerals regardless of the beliefs of the deceased. It makes it sound like they're Muslims getting Catholic funerals. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Methodist funeral and a Protestant funeral if my life depended on it. I think that this (apparently) unilateral handling of funerals is more indicative of the (mostly) unified religeon of the Colonies, rather than a callous behavior of some kind of oppressive theocracy. The only people who seem like they have a truely different religeous idea are Tigh, Adama and Billy, and they don't seem to strongly anti-religeon that they'd roll over at their religeous funeral. I didn't make an edit to reflect this, though, because this is rather subjective. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:23, 10 September 2005 (EDT) (Post Script: I'm working on getting that picture. My Mac's having some technical issues.)

==Unknowns==

:''Rules applying to the priesthood may or may not be the same throughout the Twelve Colonies. It is possible that certain schools of the priesthood practice celibacy, but Chief [[Tyrol]] stated that his father was a priest and his mother an oracle, so it would not be adhered to by all denominations of the religion of the Twelve Colonies.''

:''This may vary considerably from one Colony to the next: [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenons]] believe in the literal truth of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] and are quite fundamentalist, while [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Capricans]] seem fairly secular in their treatment of Church-State relations.''

I really don't see the point in noting may-or-may-nots and it-is-not-knowns. The idea here is to state everything we do know - everything we don't state is logically unknown. I'm not opposed to informed speculation, but simply listing the areas we haven't heard about seems fruitless.

== The Chicken And Egg Origin of the Greek/Kobol Gods ==

Since the 13th Tribe populated Earth, all the while bringing their religion from Kobol, this suggests that the ''Greek gods'' are the offshoots to the Kobol gods, not the reverse. This fits with the other Olympian gods not (yet) mentioned in the Kobol religion, but present in the Olympian religion.

This suggestion creates several interesting possibilities for thought.

* There wasn't a human population already on Earth with its own religion. The religion of Kobol grew to form the Olympian gods.
* There ''was'' an existing human population, and the Colonial humans and native terrans merged genes and religion, which might have included other beings we know as the Olympian and quasi-Olympian gods.
* The Tribe somehow lost their technological base of information and went into a new dark age similar to what the Tribes experienced before, increasing their need for divine aid (and expansion of the Kobol religion to form the Olympian components). This also kept the 13th Tribe from returning to know the fate of their brothers in the other Tribes.
* The 13th Tribe landed in the Mediterreanean area of Earth (presuming their Earth is ''"our"'' Earth), in what we historically have called the "seat of human civilization."

The hologram in the [[Tomb of Athena]] suggests that the constellations and celestial bodies of Earth were either known already to the Kobol tribes and were programmed into the Tomb before they left, or a 13th Tribe member from Earth returned to do this. If neither are true, then there is real problem with how the Tomb received this information, and the need or ability for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] to be available (and noted in the Sacred Scrolls) as capable of showing the way to a place the Tribes had not yet visited (unless you count in the "all this has happened and will happen again" part of the Scrolls).

I edited the article with the point in mind as it seemed too strong to suggest otherwise. Thoughts on this or points against the notion? (This also keeps us from blowing brain cells on who created what.) [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:34, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

: See the "Three Exodus" portion of [[Sacred Scrolls]] for something that explains this. It was written by me, so perhaps I'm biased towards it being true, but if it is, then the pictures inside the Tomb of Athena ''do'' fall under the "All this has happened before..." clause. As does the dissemination of the Gods. However, I agree that it's probable that the 13th Tribe brought the Lords of Kobol with them to Earth. It's just that, after that, they also brought them ''back'' to Kobol so that they would be there to be brough to Earth again in the next cycle. I hope that's coherent. It's hard talking in circles like this. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:07, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

::I don't think its necessary or interesting to note that in this much detail - the History article covers the origin of the twelve colonies in substantially more detail. To that end, I'd prefer to revert your comments, if you're not terribly attatched. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:10, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it's not that bad. I'm going to clarify it slightly, but it would probably be useful to keep it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:16, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

::::Actually I would say that Humans where born on earth and went to Kobold as said above, not that Kobold brought the gods to earth, '''life here began out there those are the first words of the ancient scrolls and they where told to us by the lords of Kobold countless centuries ago''' The big one there is ''life here'' lets look at that, they are bluntly stating in a way that life on kobold is not native it began out in space, the ties to earth mythology, technology, referances etc can only be explained so many ways.

::::Take adama's ship (the model) it's a classic schoonar, now you can call 'paralell development' but only to an extent we know that the colonies had space technology when they where founded which leads us to believe that the schoonar is older then that the design anyway, we also know apparently from flash backs etc that Kobold was fairly advanced heck we know they had holographic technology... Which in turn points to the fact that maybe they where not native to Kobold either.

::::I'd prefure to look at it something like this, at some stage we the good old 13th colony reached a point where we had FTL technology and in turn we expanded we spread out and colonised the stars, Kobold was one of those maybe at the time we had advanced enough through gene manipulation or the such that the 13 Lords of Kobold where immortals or at least enhanced humans while the 'normals' who lived in peace with the lords where from a Genetic databank (or perhaps we moved there in an ark to escape some cataclism on earth) over time the origins of were they came from began to fade until the exodus from kobold. Which began the whole cycle again.. (in turn this would show the All this has happened before and all this will happen again part).

::::Even still there are disrepancy's within the shows own words.. the 13th Colony left kobold in the early days and settled on a planet around a distant and unknown star.... that has been proven to be a false statement, it was not unknown, the Koboldians KNEW about it, apparently even the scriptures themselves know that from Earth you can look up at the stars and see the 12 other colonies, the Zodiac.. When you take these facts into account the belief that Kobold is the original planet is impossible, because the Only way you can get the exact star alignments for those Zodiac's is within a set distance (5 or so Light years presuming None of the stars within 5 light years make up the Zodic pieces) of Earth.. No Life began on earth and went to kobold it's the only way one can explain so much of what is Canon of the show now. [[User:RobGraham|RobGraham]]21:03 Thursday 29th June Australian EST.

::::: A note: It's "Kobol". The one is a planet, the other is a small dogish creature from D&D (if I remember right). Anyway, I think you're getting tied up in a linear idea of time. You have to keep in mind there that ''is'' no true point of genesis. You can pick any point in the cycle and get back to it. So, take "humans on Earth" as your starting point:

::::: Something makes them leave Earth and move to Kobol. They forget Earth. The Big Bad Thing happens and they flee to the 13 colonies (the Twelves Colonies and Earth). They forget Kobol and Earth. Another Big Bad Thing (Cylons) happens and they flee the Twelve to go find the Thirteenth. Presumably, they settle. They forget Kobol and the Twelve Colonies. Something makes them leave Earth and move to Kobol. They forget Earth. Repeat, repeat.

::::: That's my "Three Exodi" interpretation, anyway. And, in it, from the point of view of the Kobolites, life ''did'' begin "out there" on Earth. That's where they all came from, ''most recently''. I hope that helps explain how everything has already come before. Sure the origin of the zodiacs necessarily comes from Earth. That's incorperated into the theory. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 14:55, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

== Zephyr ==

About where in the episode is this mentioned? Is it explicitly stated that the ''Zephyr'' is named after a God, or is it just mentioned? It is my understanding that a zephyr is a gust of wind and, thus, not an imp[robable name for a ship with that meaning. Unless it's explicit, I think this point is ambiguous at best. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:11, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:No, he's right. See [[Wikipedia:Zephyrus|Zephyrus]]. Very nice catch, Spence. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:14, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Woah! Zephyrus lived in a cave on ''Thrace''? That can't be accidental. It hadn't occured to me until I saw it, but I knew this. I played a pice a few years ago called the ''March of the Young Thracians'' or something. Anyway, I'm not sure about Zephyr, still. He wasn't one of the "main" Greek Gods, as it were, so I don't think we can make an assumption that he's a Lord of Kobol. They may have lesser gods like the Greeks did that just have never been mentioned, or it might be that some effects dude at Zoic named the ship that because it makes a good name for a ship, not realizing that it's also an allusion to a Greek god. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:22, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

:::A link to Kara Thrace's article already noted this, which is where I felt the Zephyr note was credible. Kara's name (as in a human aided by the "winds") and the link to Zephyrus couldn't be a coincidence--RDM had that one down. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:55, 4 October 2005 (EDT)

:::Right, but he ''is'' a god, the Colonials apparently know about him, and we don't have any knowlege on whether the colonials separate the Lords of Kobol from minor deities - so it's probably important to note, and there isn't really a better place for it. (FWIW, they did apparently distinguish between upper and lower demons). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:29, 3 October 2005 (EDT)

== Liturgy ==
Does anyone know what language Elosha's funeral prayer is in at the end of the Mini-series? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:30, 3 October 2005 (EDT)
:You may already know this answer by now (though others may not), but she is singing in sanskrit from text used in the Hindu faith. A good [http://navras.boourns.net/extra.php fan site] about the end title song to "The Matrix Revolutions", called "Navras", shows the Brhadaranyaka Upanisad 1.3.28 exactly as Elosha sung it and as used in that Matrix end title by composer Don Davis and the artist known as Juno Reactor.

::''asato ma sad gamaya'' 
::''tamaso ma jyotir gamaya'' 
::''mrtyor mamrtam gamaya'' 

:In English:

::''From delusion lead me to truth'' 
::''From darkness lead me to light'' 
::''From death lead me to immortality'' 

:I've watched the Mini-Series countless times now, and used the "Navras" music as some of my workout music. I knew about the sanskit origin, but Eiosha's song was familiar to me and I didn't know why until someone here pointed out that it was a source I already knew. Damn fine soundtracks for both the Mini-Series and "The Matrix" movies, by the way. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:50, 13 December 2005 (EST)

::I actually prefer In My Head, Tetsujin, and You All, Everybody. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:53, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:::I don't recognize the last one, but yes, the first two are also great tracks. I always visualize Trinity kicking butt and taking names when those two tracks are on. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:01, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::::Oh come on, surely you must know it: "You all, You all everybody/Acting like such stupid people/wearing expensive clothes/You all, you all, You all, everybody..."--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:38, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::Yes, I incorporated that into the Language in the Twelve Colonies article. That seems to me to be the more appropriate place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:12, 14 December 2005 (EST)

==Priesthood==

Spencerian added:

:Like denominations on Earth, it is possible that there are varying kinds of priests and customs that share elements of worship of the Lords of Kobol, with some subtle or significant differences. It is probable that, based on their devotion, a Genemon priest (in comparison to one, say, on Caprica) may have a more defined worship or celebration process, or may speak or pay more respects to one or a handful of Lords in preference over others, as Kara Thrace devoted prayer to her specific Lords. The contrast would be akin to the Catholic, Episopal, and Lutheran churches of real-world Earth.

As my fellow contributors know, I frown on plausible but baseless speculation. I don't think this is useful here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:48, 1 November 2005 (EST)

:Removing. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:08, 3 November 2005 (EST)

==Zoic==

Where and in what capacity did Zoic "release" those names? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:28, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:You know this "reference" as well as I, and I would as well like to see the press release or web site reference where Zoic gave us this information. I know this is circular and that the Great Delete Key of the Citation Jihad may be quivering over that item, but I did note its non-canonical nature, but at the same time, considering its an official production company of the show, its also hard to prove them wrong--this information might be in the mysterious [[series bible]] for all we know. Maybe Joe would know old Ernestborg9's resource. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:26, 8 December 2005 (EST)

::Non-canonical is one thing, but uncited and non-canonical is past my limit. I mean, we could just start making random shit up and say that Zoic said it, and really, nobody would be there to catch us. We have to police ourselves on this. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:35, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:::If this is the case, we need to delete ALL the battlestar pages or rework them to remove those old Zoic references. I'm OK on this, but we have a lot of work to do. The Zoic thing here has been like the "weird uncle" in the family that you don't talk about or leave the daughters with, but let come to family gatherings anyway. Probably time to purge all references to Zoic's battlestars, maybe moving them to the Zoic page, and deleting the rest. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:15, 8 December 2005 (EST)

::::Well, the ''best'' thing to do would be to find the source of the quote, but I haven't had any luck. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:22, 8 December 2005 (EST)

==Atlantia==
How should we handle this reference? The Atlantia and Pacifica were presumably named after the Atlantic and Pacific oceans (in real life). The Atlantic ocean is named for Atlas, not Atlantia, but that's not necessarily implied by anything on-screen (and if it were really named after the ocean, it would probably be Atlantica.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:00, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:I'd stick to what we know, until we find something better. Atlas was a founder of Atlantis, so we can add this contradicting resource since Pegasus also has differing sources of origin. Greek myth is always full of contradictions anyway. Given that there's no Atlantic Ocean in the Colonies as far as we know, and the Lords tend to be Olympian, not Titan, gods, I'd go for the dryad origin. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:26, 8 December 2005 (EST)

--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:09, 6 August 2006 (CDT)==The Jealous God==
Ricimer said: ''Although it is tantalizing to claim that the Cylon God is the rebelious Lord of Kobol, I don't think #6 has ever claimed that they're the same one.''

:When Six says to Baltar, "Blasphemous, stupid lies. There have never been any other gods, only the One," it seems to me that she's referring to the one Elosha was just speaking about. You may be right that the inference is too tenuous for the article, though. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:56, 12 December 2005 (EST)

::I love this idea as well, very tantalyzing indeed, but perhaps it belongs in an analysis section to be added to the deleted scenes article. --[[User:MASON|Mason]] 23:21, 12 December 2005 (EST)

::: You see although I'd ''like'' to equate the two, I don't think we can ''yet''; it's more for an "Analysis" section. It seems to me that Number Six in that scene was talking about ALL of the Gods that Elosha was talking about, the Jealous God AND the other 11 ''collectively''. It's not clear enough of a statement. I'm kind of secretly hoping that the cylons were taught the advanced technology needed to make humanoid Cylons from the Count Iblis equivalent of this series, which turns out to be the jealous Lord of Kobol; however, as Ron D. Moore has pointed out, that would kind of "gut" the religion of the Cylons: the Cylons are sentient beings in their own right, and all sentient beings have a claim to a soul and a concept of god once they're intelligent enough to grasp such concepts, and turning around and saying "well the whole idea of Cylons having a religion and thinking they have their own souls? Turns out they got duped by a god-like alien, which, although very powerful, ain't really a god, just more like Q from Star Trek or something", saying that would somehow seem to unfairly lessen the Cylons in my opinion. Maybe they can work the two concepts together tactfully (Cylons developed a concept of God BEFORE meeting Count Iblis, and Iblis is claiming to be the "real Cylon god"? , etc.). I don't know. But we don't have a lot to go on. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 01:43, 13 December 2005 (EST)

:::: I agree with almost everything you've written, and although I like to speculate that ideas, like Iblis, will be tied back into RDM's Cylon religion, I appreciate that this speculation can only exist in a limited form on the wiki. I don't entirely agree with you on the idea that the Cylons religious credibility would be compromised by a manifested God, for this cyclical pattern working itself out in the show reminds me very much of Isaac Asimov's [http://mit.edu/tylerc/www/twt/LQ1.htm The Last Question], which was satisfying in its vast simplicity.

I like to add a little bit, not to sound pompous but there can be some connection from the Cylon god and the Jealous god. The Jealous God started the war because he wanted to be placed above the other ones, starting the so called "War of the Gods." So he is thrown out and loses, so he wanders around and finds the Cylons. Maybe he inspires them to rebel and they do. He sets himself up as their god, and it is concurrent with what the Cylons think of the Colonial Gods; i.e. the other gods are fake, their one god is the true god. The Jealous God wishes to be placed above the others, and ends up finding a lost race, the Cylons and takes them as his own.

I mean, he may have set himself up as this seemingly beneficial, but ultimately devious figure. It may possibly be a correlation to Count Iblis. --[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 14:09, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

== Religious Issue ==

the Lords of Kobol are a part of a fictional story. the Greek Olympians are worshipped both by people in ancient times and by living people. the religion is not "shared", rather the Lords are based upon the real-world religion. i realize that this may seem a minor issue to some of you, but it is a significant semantic assumption to make that the Lords are the same as the Olympians. [[User:Whateley23|Whateley23]] 01:46, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:Indeed, it does seem like a minor issue. There is nothing wrong with the current phrasing in my opinion, and I will not change it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:09, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:: I think that the assumption is not that both are fictional, but that the story will tell us they are of the same origin (also implying that the story is not fictional, though it clearly is). ''Within the fictional universe of Ronald D. Moorse's'' Battlestar Galactica, The Lords of Kobol and the Greek Olympians are/were the same thing. We also state that Vipers can do such and such and that ''Galactica'' has certain armaments, but we don't make any caveats about the fact that the nukes in the show are actually ''fictional'' nukes for fear of offending nuclear scientists currently working on related technologies. Everything except the articles on actors and other clearly-real things, should be taken as if it were prefaced by the italics above: We know the show's not real, so don't let our comments about it reflect on reality. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:08, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Basestar (TRS)

2006-07-29T07:22:12Z

Volostheguardian:

:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders
| img= Y
}}

==Description==
'''Cylon basestars''' (also referred to as "baseships" or "Cylon battlestars") are by far the most prominent example of [[Cylon]] presence.

They easily dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be technologically superior in every way. Basestars appear no visible means of [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight propulsion]], but are equipped with an [[FTL|Jump system]] that is far superior to that of Colonial battlestars.

Basestars are capable of releasing hundreds of [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] simultaneously (see Related Imagery).

Beyond this, not much is known about the interior operations or command structure of a basestar. A basestar's size suggests that it has a large crew complement, although there is ample evidence to suggest their operations are largely automated, or that the basestar itself is a Cylon entity similar to the autononous personality of a Raider or even a [[Cylon agent]]. There is no evidence thus far to suggest that a basestar has a central autonomous commander or command hierachy as found on battlestars.

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are done only when Raiders aren't deployed as nuclear blasts are widespread in range and do not differentiate in damage to friend or foe. In one example of such an attack scenario, three Cylon basestars lure and ambush battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and pummel it with several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and changing to non-nuclear missiles in their attack ([[The Captain's Hand]]). It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their backdoor in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

The basestar in essence, is a blend of elements of a aircraft carrier, and an [[Wikipedia: arsenal ship|arsenal ship]].

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|Basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
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[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two Basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|Jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|Basestar and ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL Jump after Jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|Jump]]. Following the 239th Jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th Jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
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[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|The Basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racktrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
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[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galacticas''' Vipers on approach to the Basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL Jump. This haphazard Jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to Kobol to recalculate the Jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar Jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
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* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant Jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

==Continuity Note==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
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== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
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Basestar (TRS)

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Volostheguardian:

:''This article is about the basestar as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, Heavy Raiders
| img= Y
}}

==Description==
'''Cylon basestars''' (also referred to as "baseships" or "Cylon battlestars") are by far the most prominent example of [[Cylon]] presence.

They easily dwarf a Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] and appear to be technologically superior in every way. Basestars appear no visible means of [[Sublight Propulsion|sublight propulsion]], but are equipped with an [[FTL|Jump system]] that is far superior to that of Colonial battlestars.

Basestars are capable of releasing hundreds of [[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] simultaneously (see Related Imagery) and are capable of releasing several missiles (conventional or nuclear) at once, suggesting the design of the Basestar to be a blend of a Arsenal Ship/Aircraft Carrier.

Beyond this, not much is known about the interior operations or command structure of a basestar. A basestar's size suggests that it has a large crew complement, although there is ample evidence to suggest their operations are largely automated, or that the basestar itself is a Cylon entity similar to the autononous personality of a Raider or even a [[Cylon agent]]. There is no evidence thus far to suggest that a basestar has a central autonomous commander or command hierachy as found on battlestars.

A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are done only when Raiders aren't deployed as nuclear blasts are widespread in range and do not differentiate in damage to friend or foe. In one example of such an attack scenario, three Cylon basestars lure and ambush battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and pummel it with several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and changing to non-nuclear missiles in their attack ([[The Captain's Hand]]). It is probable that basestars used nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet]] (using their backdoor in the [[CNP]] to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense through sheer numbers of fighters. Since a basestar does not appear to have batteries (the primary offensive/defensive weapons on battlestars), basestars appear quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat without Raider fighter support ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== Encounters with the Colonial Fleet ==
[[Image:Basestar_above_armistice-station_-_00.04.06.jpg|thumb|left|Basestar above the [[Armistice Station]]]]
* As part of an annual offering of diplomacy, the [[Colonial Fleet]] staffs the [[Armistice Station]] in the hopes that the Cylons will attend, but it goes unfulfilled for forty years. Suddenly, without any warning or detection, a Cylon basestar arrives over the station, and dispatches a [[Cylon agent]] to the station. This agent accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] as the basestar launches a salvo of missiles and obliterates the station.
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[[Image:Basestarcaprica-00.56.10.jpg|thumb|right|Basestars over Caprica]]
*Days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal campaign against the Twelve Colonies. In all likelihood, several basestars and their support craft arrived at each Colonial world and deploy nuclear missiles, airbursting them to annihilate the populace. Several basestars orbit the ruined planet of [[Caprica]] as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] guides her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. Boomer's Raptor guides by debris of destroyed Colonial units, including the shattered hulk of a battlestar ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-ragnar-02.38.56.jpg|thumb|left|Two Basestars over [[Ragnar]]]]
* A substantial Cylon force consisting of no less than two basestars and several hundred fighters and other small craft converge on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to flush out and destroy the fugitive ships led by the battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|''Galactica'']]. After transferring as many armaments and supplies as possible from the munitions depot, ''Galactica'' departs the station's surrounding EM storm and presents itself as a shield, allowing [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to slip out and make [[FTL|Jumps]] away. The entire contingent of civilian ships escape, as does ''Galactica'' after she and her [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] endure a [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|thorough pounding]] ([[Miniseries]]).
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[[Image:Basestar-33-00.21.05.jpg|thumb|right|Basestar and ''Galactica''.]]
* Basestars pursue ''Galactica'' and the Colonial Fleet for five full days after the escape from Ragnar. ''Galactica'' spurs the Fleet to stay on the move, executing [[FTL|FTL Jump after Jump]], only to see the Cylons reappear at each location 33 minutes later ([[33]]). The Cylons had apparently infiltrated the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', a civilian starliner, and are able to track it through each successive [[FTL|Jump]]. Following the 239th Jump, the ''Olympic Carrier'' doesn't immediately rendevous at the jump coordinates, and it is feared the ship is lost. She reappears later, but several indications hint that she has been overtaken by Cylon forces, and the Colonials have no recourse but to destroy the liner. As soon as ''Galactica's'' [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] destroy the liner, the basestars arrive on the scene, and the Colonial Fleet executes their 240th Jump. The Cylons do not immediately follow, ending the pursuit.
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[[Image:Basestar_over_kobol_nuked_-_00.32.45.jpg|thumb|left|The Basestar over [[Kobol]] is destroyed]]
* The Fleet eludes further contact with the Cylon forces for several weeks. The planet Kobol is discovered by a single Raptor on a probing reconnaissance mission, and a follow-up mission is planned. The reconnaissance team of three Raptors is surprised by a basestar now in orbit over Kobol, and screening Cylon Raiders obliterate one Raptor while shooting down another and forcing it to crash land on the planet below. The remaining Raptor escapes back to battlestar ''Galactica'', relaying the shocking news. [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] devises a plan to eliminate the basestar, using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon transponder]] to deploy a nuclear warhead inside. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] is [[Arrow of Apollo|later tasked]] to the mission, accompanied by new ECO [[Margaret Edmondson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]. En route, the transponder works exactly as planned. Despite their anxiety, the Raptor infiltrates the basestar. The interior view of the basestar that Boomer and Racktrack are afforded is overwhelming – a vast, cavernous void of bio-mechanical components lacking a distinctive floor or ceiling. Surfaces appear organic – fleshy if they were to be touched – resembling the interiors of a Raider. During the deployment of the nuclear warhead, Boomer exits the Raptor and removes her helmet, indicating that the interior space is indeed pressurized and oxygenated, more than likely controlled by ventricle-like airlocks evident during the Raptor's entrance. The pair extricate themselves from inside the basestar, and once outside, detonate the warhead. The annihilation of this basestar represents the first aired instance in the series that Colonial forces successfully destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
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[[Image:Basestar_-_scattered_-_00.31.44.jpg|thumb|right|''Galacticas''' Vipers on approach to the Basestar.]]
* Scant moments after this victory, another basestar ambushes ''Galactica'', causing the crew to perform yet another immediate FTL Jump. This haphazard Jump (due to mishandled coordinate updates) separates the battlestar from the rest of the Fleet, and a few hours are spent developing a course of action. The decision is made to jump back to Kobol to recalculate the Jump coordinates, and upon doing so, the battlestar and the basestar square off in a vicious engagement. During the recalculation, a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] manages to crash-land on ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod ([[Scattered]]). After the battlestar Jumps away, the basestar too departs the area after sending a detachment of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to Kobol.
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[[Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|thumb|left|A basestar under attack by ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'']]
* Upon the reunion of the Colonial Fleet with the assumed-lost [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet, consisting of two basestars and a mysterious unknown ship, has been following ''Galactica'' ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). By way of a bold reconnaissance mission in the Colonial [[Blackbird]], the commanding officers discover the identity of the mysterious vessel to be the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]). The Colonials concoct an aggressive, intricate plan using stealth, deception, and sheer brute force to [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|eradicate]] the Resurrection Ship, as well as its escorting basestars. In a brilliant display of firepower, the two battlestars make short work of the two basestars, suffering minimal damage in return ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
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* Over a month later, and now devoid of their Resurrection Ship, the Cylons deploy basestars in a new tactical fashion. Two Raptors from ''Pegasus'' are lured away from their reconnaissance training mission near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star cluster]], the crews killed by carefully venting their crew compartments, and the Raptors set adrift. In his zeal to retrieve the Raptors, newly-promoted [[Barry Garner|Commander Barry Garner]] disregards both [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] orders and [[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama's]] advice and takes ''Pegasus'' to the last known location of the missing craft. ''Pegasus'' deploys two more Raptors to scan the located Raptors. As the rescue Raptors discover the lost Raptors' fate, three basestars pounce upon the Colonials and immediately engage by launching salvos of nuclear missiles — the first time they've done so since the destruction of the Colonies. ''Pegasus'' reels under heavy damage, and only through the heroic self-sacrifice of Commander Garner, the sound direction of Major Adama, and the unwavering support of ''Pegasus's'' Vipers (led by [[Kara Thrace|Captain "Starbuck" Thrace]]) the battlestar survives. As a means of buying time until the disabled FTL drive was repaired, Major Adama directs the battlestar's forward gun batteries to barrage the closest basestar, focusing on the core of it until it is forced to withdraw. ''Pegasus'' indeed survives [[Battle of the Binary Star System|this encounter]], albeit with a substantial amount of damage, but it heralds a less brashly aggressive, more subversively calculative approach by the Cylons ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

* The most recent appearance of basestars comes at the [[Fall of New Caprica|fall of New Caprica]] to Cylon occupation. Several basestars emerge from the planet's shrouding nebula, and in the face of overwhelming strength and numbers, an understaffed Colonial Fleet makes a reluctant Jump away, and the Cylons take the planet without firing a shot.

==Continuity Note==
[[Image:Basestarinmuseum.jpg|thumb|right|A model of a [[Cylon War]]-era Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|Basestar]] on display in the defunct museum.]]
In the [[Miniseries]], ''Galactica'''s new museum displays a model of the Cylon basestar used in the [[Cylon War]]. As it happens, this design is identical to the basestars seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. However, despite the identical use of the ship design, the universe of the Re-imagined Series does not use the same weapons as that of the Original Series, so viewers are left to ponder what armed the Re-imagined incarnations of the Original Series Cylon warships. The museum also displays a deactivated [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]--again, the same design of Cylon warrior as used in the Original Series, and indicated in the episodes as the Cylons seen in the Cylon War of the Re-imagined Series continuity.
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== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>
Image:Bsraidersrelease1.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease2.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsraidersrelease3.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released    
Image:Bsmissiles.jpg|''Basestar'' launching missiles    
</gallery>

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[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Technology]]

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