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2007-03-29T06:11:05Z

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Members of '''''Battlestar Wiki''''': This page is to coordinate all questions to any official members of the cast or crew of "[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]]." Please sign your question after you are done. The "summary" of the question should be be first, if any, and then the questions, in short form, should be placed at the bottom. This is to not confuse people and to keep the questions distinctive.

Cast/Crew: These are questions we are seeking answers to. If you have the time, please answer them as best you can. We will move these questions/answers to the correct page once they have been done. You can also check out ''[[:md:Category:Seeking Official Information|Category:Seeking Official Information]]'' for larger items - particularly pictures.

All questions which have been previously answered can be found on the archive pages. Questions get moved to the archives once items and questions stemming from the issue have stopped.

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== Question on a recurring extra ==

In early Season One, there was a large Asian pilot with tattoos that appeared at a card game. As far as I remember, he disappeared after that. Then he reappeared during the partying scenes in Scar. And now he's back in a major way in Season Three, appearing in most scenes involving lots of pilots. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the man, and was wondering if there's any actual information on him. Does he have a name? And will he ever get a line? Thanks for your time. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:51, 6 December 2006 (CST)
:Good question. Lots of pictures can be found in [http://z15.invisionfree.com/Galactica_B_S/index.php?showtopic=431 this Galactica BS thread].--[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 18:02, 6 December 2006 (CST)
::I created an article about him: [[Tattooed pilot]]. When (if) Brad gives us his actual name, we can move it.[[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 06:09, 22 December 2006 (CST)
:::He's getting the reputation of being BSG's counterpart to [[w:Morn|Morn from ''Star Trek: Deep Space Nine'']]. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:38, 5 January 2007 (CST)
::::Now we know the name of the extra: [[Leo Li Chiang]]. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 20:17, 15 January 2007 (CST)
:::::Maybe its like a running joke, that he's been in it since the beginning but still doesnt have a name? :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:47, 2 March 2007 (CST)

::::::If we give him a name, you won't have the fun of trying to guess what it is. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 19:01, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::::But... But... if he doesn't have a name then there's nothing to guess! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:22, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

== Props to David Weddle and Bradley Thompson ==

This last episode, "[[Maelstrom]]" is some of the best storytelling I have ever seen! Give your selfs a pay-rasie and a '''high-five'''! [[Cylon Shooter]]s on me. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:24, 5 March 2007 (CST)
:A good episode indeed, although it can never beat the immortal "[[Rapture]]" ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 08:49, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::Thanks for liking them both! - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:59, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::You guys do downright amazing work. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:05, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== Harvey Frand ==

What is this guy's job exactly? He doesn't seem to be directly involved in the creative side of the show. Is he more of an administrative producer? Making sure the logistics work, sets are built, actors hired, etc. I'm not saying that that's not important, just curious :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:20, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::Without Harvey Frand, Galactica would not be nearly as spectacular as it is. He keeps everything on time and on budget, makes sure the scripts can be done with the resources available, finds the most efficient way to allot those resources -- and when something is necessary to make the story work -- yet is financially impossible to do, he finds a way. Harvey is the man who literally makes the show happen in the real world, which calls for tremendous creativity and risk-taking. He's the guy on Maelstrom who pointed out that we had an eight page day to shoot on location in Socrata's apartment -- and a location day can make at best six pages. It was impossible to do, even with overtime, given what we'd accomplished in seasons previous.

::As David Weddle was trying to cut those scenes down to something we could shoot, he realized that doing so would gut their emotional impact. He brought this to the attention of Michael Nankin, who agreed - we needed all eight pages. We went to Harvey with the problem and swore that everything would go right, that the guest star would know her lines, that Michael could cut some corners on coverage to be able to make the day. If anything fell apart (camera failure, safety issue, botched lines... anything like that and we'd be hosed. We couldn't stay late. (You can't keep the trucks on the street after a certain hour in that section of Vancouver or you're busted, fined and can never shoot there again.) Not only that, but the rest of the schedule would be thrown out of whack and it wouldn't just be these critical scenes that would be unfinished... would there be budget left to do the spectacular end of the season? Or even the humungous dogfight at the end of Maelstrom? Harvey had a tough call to make.

::Harvey rolled the hard six. And Dorothy had her lines down cold. And Katee was perfect. Nothing broke. And we got out of there with less than seconds to spare.

::That's just one of the calls Harvey has to make every day. He's frakking awesome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:52, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:::Thanks for that detailed explanation. That's sort of what I assumed. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:20, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== Billing and Contracts ==

The Son Also Rises rose some questions about how billing works on Galactica. With the exception of Katee Sackhoff's departure, the main credits have remained constant, while the secondary credits for Guest Stars has been more more fluid. However, there've been some constants. Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglas, and Tahmoh Penikett were always the top dogs of the non-main cast, and, with the exception of the rare episode where one of their characters didn't appear, they always appeared in that order.

However, things seem to be changing. Ever since Cally became a prominent character in Season Two, Nicki Clyne has been slowly rising in the ranks of the Guest Stars. At first, she was just getting away with supplanting Alessandro Juliano and Kandyse McClure, but now she has actually broken into the top three, as she was credited before Penikett in the last episode.

I was wondering, what determines billing? I assume it's contractual, as Michael Hogan is always top billed, even in the few episodes he doesn't have any lines. So has Clyne negotiated a new contract that puts her higher in the credits?

Also, I noticed that Sebastian Spense cracked the Guest Stars in The Son Also Rises. Not to speak ill of Narcho, but why has he gotten up to the front of the episode? Did he get a better contract? What makes someone only worthy of getting their credit at the end of the episode? Is Brody Olmos less able to commit to a contract, and that's why he hasn't cracked the Guest Stars?

Sorry I've asked so much. Really, I just want to know how people get their names in the secondary credits, and why certain reliable, long time characters are stuck at the end of the episode. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::That's a really good question and I don't have an answer. It is indeed contractual and that's all handled by business affairs, who tend to be a tight-lipped bunch, and rightly so. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:22, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==Maelstrom Viper Mark VII==
[[Image:Viper Mk VII Maelstrom.JPG|thumb]]
In the excellent fighter scenes in the episode [[Maelstrom]], Apollo consistantly flies a different version of the Mk VII Viper than we've seen before. I was wondering if some light could be shed on what it was, since the changes were fairly substantial, such as one of the "home-made" Vipers from Pegasus, a modified regular Mk VII, or just a retro-active design change? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:34, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:Or is it the Viper Mk VIII? :) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 05:49, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::Galactica's ships are in a constant state of change. The arms race with the Cylons and shortage of parts and resources means Tyrol's knuckledraggers are constantly making improvements and jury-rigging around lacks. (At one point there were talks about making tylium tanks out of paper to extend the fighter ranges, but the idea was dropped when paper was declared a strategic material.) - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:19, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::...and when people were eating it during the food shortage ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:06, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== Intro, survivor count for Crossroads, Part I ==

The latest episode, "[[Crossroads, Part I]]", did not have an intro movie (time constraints?), nor did it show a survivor count. I personally don't care much about the intro movie (since we get back actual episode content), but there are a lot of die-hard fans here eager to know the survivor count. What was the count for Crossroads, Part I? Is Part II going to have an intro and a survivor count? Have you abolished the intro movie altogether? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:The survivor count was on the board during the trial. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 18:54, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
::No, the number of people who escaped New Caprica was on the board. "Crossroads" takes place 2 to 3 months later. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:37, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Number of Season Four episodes ==

I realize this was only just announced, and you may not know or be able to comment, but there seems to be confusion over what exactly the 22 episode season order entails. Alongside this announcement, there is confirmation of the made for TV movie, which Sci-Fi is describing as "a special two-hour extended episode." The thing that people are unsure of is whether the movie counts toward the 22 episode count. Will the movie count as two episodes, and then Season Four proper will be the standard 20 episode? [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 17:39, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

== Faster-Than-Light Stuff ==

Hi there. We know that Ron Moore's goal for the show, as stated in his [[Naturalistic science fiction]] essay, was not to use incredulous science for the show, for instance, faster-than-light travel. We have a little debate if that applied to faster-than-light communications. Several instances appeared where Cylon downloading and communications may move faster than light. We understand that "FTL" travel is apparent-FTL through the [[FTL|wormhole theory]], but has there been a change to how writers handle, say, communications between Cylons at long range (like between one basestar to the infected one in "[[Torn]]"). Did Boomer's consciousness go to a Resurrection Ship and then to Caprica, or traveled farther, relayed, or some other process? If you like, you can see the extended debate in the [[Talk:Faster-than-light communication]] article to note our confusion. If true-FTL does not exist anywhere in the Re-imagined universe, we'll just tack it up to a continuity error that, I feel at least, is for cinematic purposes so a story doesn't get all overly technical or complicated. Thanks. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
:Let me ask me more precise question: how do the Cylons manage to appear at the Fleet's previous position less than 12 hours after it jumped away? The Fleet must be making multi-lightyear jumps, since their destination (the Ionian nebula) is thousands of lightyears away. Does the radiation signature from the ''[[Daru Mozu]]'' travel faster than light? The radiation signature from the [[Cloud 9]] blast did travel at lightspeed. Do the Cylons have some other way of tracking the Fleet? Or is it simply a continuity error? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:48, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Identity of the Final Five ==

Out of curosity, how long have you guys known who the final five are? I know Ron Moore's made comments that indicate that these were more recent decisions, but I was just curious at what point did you guys decide on who were going to be Cylons, and what really went into that decision. Thanks! [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 16:55, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers ==

There is a question about the actual production numbers behind the series. For instance, there is some information on the internet where the production numbers differ. For instance, some are formatted like ("T2701") -- an alleged production number for "[[Occupation]]" -- while others are formatted as 03001 (or even 301). Just wanted to know what exactly the actual "production number" should look like. Thanks Bradley! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:58, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

: I believe that the T27nn numbers are internal Warner Bros. numbers for the Comcast tapes that they made and fed to Comcast. I believe the 030nn numbers correspond to the production office assignments to the episodes, i.e., where 03019 is the production number for 'Crossroads, Part 2'. Thanks for helping in clearing this up.[[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 01:11, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== Xeno vs Zeno Fenner (Dirty Hands) ==

Currently we have him as "[[Xeno Fenner|Xeno]]", but the SciFi website lists him as "Zeno". Do you know which version is correct? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:07, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Vidiot

2007-03-29T05:52:46Z

Vidiot: /* About the production numbers */

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== Nothing against you... ==

Except we can't determine where she will be until tonight. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:47, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:We've been in contact before, and I told you then that posting survivor counts before airing isn't a big deal. Your addition to [[Crossroads, Part II]], however, was a spoiler, that's probably why Shane removed it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:33, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:: Shane: I know exactly when she appears: 51 seconds before the end of the final act. I know exactly how she appears. Her credit is the first one given in the closing credits. I know all this because I watched the episode, starting a little after 10am CT, this morning. Catrope: Yes, it is a spoiler and if I remember reading correctly, the episode pages have a warning that says that they may contain spoilers. Both: The photo that is posted with the episode is also a very big spoiler, as it occurs right near the end of the episode. It plays very big as part in the season ending cliffhanger. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:How could you have seen it? Anyway, besides the fact, generally we still report fact finding and since a majority of us can not see the episode (section 1.3: All spoiler information must have a source, whether in the form of a URL or a printed publication text, on the talk page of the spoilerific article. For printed publication text, a copy must be scanned and uploaded to the wiki in the form of a JPG or PNG, and posted on the talk page of the article containing the spoilerific content.), there is no way for us to do a fact check. I understand the spoilers as I have to be spoiled just to make sure I know what is. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:27, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::If you have somehow seen an advanced copy and post spoilers from that, that's still a wholly different dimension than quoting something that everyone can see and check. For example information from an interview with a writer. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:30, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Shane/Serenity: You could call it an advance copy. It was the satellite feed of the episode to Canada. I first captured it on the computer (can't capture and watch at the same time on the computer, though I could have watched at the same time using a different satellite receiver) and then watched the episode. 
For proof, I can make available images of the official tape slate, an image of Starbuck and an image of the screen credit. I can even make available audio of the conversation between Lee and Starbuck. That is an even bigger spoiler. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:Is it really so important to get that info out there a mere day sooner? Why can't you just wait a day until everyone has seen it? And please sign your comments on talk pages, like this: <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Serenity: Not really. I was going to put in ALL of the credits for the episode. Other than Starbuck's, there aren't any other names that are different from the first part (that I can think of). Since Sci-Fi (which I haven't watched since they joined the idiots by placing those damn sprites on the screen) squishes (or whatever) the credits so you can't read them, I was going to post them from the screen images I can read.

::Still learning the wiki ropes. The system could easily, i.e., automatically, add the signage since the system knows who is doing the posting. So I don't why a person has to do it. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:15, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::Only comments on talk pages are signed. Edits to articles mustn't be. The software would have to distinguish between the two. Moreover, you don't need to sign all your edits on talk pages either, for example when make corrections to an existing comment. So automatically adding a signature to all edits, even just on talk pages, isn't good. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:20, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Here's a thought about the credit spoiler. I was just reading the spoiler rule page. Couldn't the cast entry be marked with <nowiki>{{spoilli|Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck}}</nowiki>? [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 15:07, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:I agree with you that the article is marked with the spoiler tag, so that's not a problem. However, people are getting confused (again) by you posting information they can't possibly check, so maybe it's better you just wait until after the airing, which is Sunday night at 10 PM. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:42, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:: Please point to a link containing discussion that contains postings of readers that are confused. I went to the Discussion link on the page and there are zero comments regarding this issue. The Wiki will be locked down until no later than 10 am CT Monday. So it is unknown as to when it will be reopened. Certainly won't be able to do it after the episode airs, as Joe posts below. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 16:26, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

: Folks, please remember that this wiki is judged by the quality of information (and how well that information is sourced), not by how fast we get something up. As Catrope said, it may be better to wait until after the airing, which is merely 5 hours away on the US eastern seaboard. So say we all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:00, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:: Joe: I've indicated above the source of the information and can provide proof. So, even though I have followed the spoiler policy, I'm being politely told to not do it. Since I've seen the episode, I could fill in a bunch of items regarding this episode, marked with spoilers. The spoiler policy says that I can. But I am not. It is just a credit listing. We all know that we were not going to see the last of this character. No big spoiler there. Send me private e-mail, or whatever facility exists for doing such with this Wiki, and I'll provide you with a link to an AVI (DivX) version of the episode (which will finish rendering in about 5 minutes). This offer only good for Joe.

:: As for the quality of information, please read Shane's talk area. There are title inaccuracies (minor) and production code errors (major). As I point out in the Shane talk area, the listed production codes ''are not'' production codes, but a simple fan based season sequence number.

:: I need to go back and watch the episode again, as I know I've missed stuff. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 16:26, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Bootleg Material ==

As we know you have bootleg material for the Battlestar show, via the broadcast signals or station. This material is ''not'' allowed to be shown to the general public before the episode airs. The reason why it airs is so the show makes money when creating a product. For this is the reason why you are banned. We ask that you do not ever solicit this material ever again on the wiki. Doing so is in violation of Federal copyright laws and can hurt the wiki and everyone involved with the wiki. This is not up for debate -- ever. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:14, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:As another administrator, I need to add something here for the future. By the wiki's ''de facto'' definition, a spoiler is an revealing plot point from an third-party bona fide news and information source. We can never use image content for a spoiler unless it is officially ''aired'' or given as press material, and that itself has limitations. As I can see from the talk page, you admitted that your source was an episode that has not been shown in the US or Canada as yet, which we can only interpret as a bootleg. Battlestar Wiki has a fun mission, but we are bound by the law, both US and international. Many contributors, including a handful of official cast and crew, have spent hours to ensure we have an extensive wiki on the ''Battlestar'' universe, and none of us want to have that fun suddenly ended by legal issues. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:31, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== About the production numbers ==

I've asked [[Bradley Thompson]] to clarify this issue, since there seems to be contradicting data regarding this, both from Scifi.com's website and the information you have recently presented. Feel free to chime in or add clarification [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Production numbers|at the Official Communiques page]]. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:07, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

: In my 20+ years of dealing with tv shows and obtaining production numbers, one learns that consumer sites and press sites, as a general rule, never list the production numbers of programs. That means whatever places like Sci-Fi.com list, are not the production numbers. The only exception that I found was The WB network. Their episode synopsis database served both the press and affiliate sites and they put the production codes at the end of the episode synopsis. UPN had them on their internal affiliate paperwork. Now that The WB and UPN have joined into the CW, it seems that the WB staff have taken over The CW's episode synopses, so they are listing the production codes, for the most part. They are listing the wrong values for 'Supernatural'.

: Another way to get production numbers is via the closing credits of some production company's programming. Both 20th Century Fox and Warner Bros. put the show production number at the end. They are the only companies that do. That means finding other means to determine production codes.[[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 00:52, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Crossroads, Part I

2007-03-27T05:14:16Z

Vidiot: /* Guest Stars */

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== Overview ==
:''Baltar's trial commences, with the prosecution presenting evidence of treason committed on [[New Caprica]] amid controversial testimonies from Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and President Roslin.''

== Summary ==
===Teaser===
*[[Laura Roslin]], significantly different in dress and hairstyle, is walking through what appears to be the [[Opera House]]. She searches for and finds little [[Hera Agathon]] walking through the hallways, unable to reach her.
*Also following Hera is her mother [[Sharon Agathon]], who does not appear pleased to see Roslin in pursuit. Both women run down the stairs towards Hera.
*As they turn the corner, a [[Number Six]] in white clothing catches Hera and starts a movement as if to turn. There is a dark figure in the indistinct shadows behind her.
*Roslin wakes up. This has been a dream, though it bears a strong resemblance to Roslin's [[Chamalla|Chamalla extract]] induced visions of the past.
*The [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] is en route to the [[Ionian nebula]], but it is still several days away.
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] is trying to tune into [[Talk Wireless]] or music in [[Joe's bar]]. [[Brendan Costanza]], [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Samuel Anders]] are playing [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]]. Anders notes Tigh's attempts to find the music.
*[[Tory Foster]] speaks with [[Cassidy]], the prosecuting attorney in [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial. Foster's assertion that [[Epiphanies|Roslin witnessed Baltar and a Six on Caprica]] doesn't convince Cassidy, who stresses the need for hard evidence and the fact that Baltar is only being tried for the charges that can be proved.
*Meanwhile, in the brig, Baltar is visited by a member of the press, who wants to give him a picture of her son, who she claims is sick—she also claims, much to Baltar's bemusement, that Baltar is capable of saving her son by Baltar's simply blessing him. He refuses until she forces it onto him before the [[Colonial Marine Corps|marine]]s remove her.
*The [[Virtual beings|virtual Six]] appears to console the emotionally tortured Baltar, noting that 30 to 40 people have written him letters.

===Act 1===
*[[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]] and [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]] are conducting reconnaissance to see if any Cylons are following the Fleet's jumps. Her [[Raptor]] hides behind an asteroid as they play [[Triad (RDM)|cards]] and wait.
*The trial begins. Cassidy asks the courtroom how loss is measured.
*She notes the number of people who settled on New Caprica, the number who escaped in the [[Second Exodus]] and the number lost: 5,197 left behind, killed or otherwise missing.
*The attorney claims that the trust put in Baltar was gravely misplaced, and that the ultimate price must be paid.
*[[Romo Lampkin]], Baltar's attorney, immediately asks to change the plea to guilty as a ploy to use reverse psychology to claim that the power of [[w:Mob rule|mob rule]] is trying to sway opinion in the court.
*Lampkin claims that President Roslin is seeking vengeance on Baltar for [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|her lost election]], and claims that the [[New Caprica]]ns were victims of a hopeless battle. Baltar's decision to surrender to the Cylons had saved lives, he claims, versus what Lampkin claims Roslin would have done -- stand and fight.
*Back on Racetrack's Raptor, five [[Basestar (RDM)|baseships]] suddenly appear and attack. Racetrack's [[FTL]] drive barely comes online in time to allow them to escape an incoming missile.
*Back on ''[[Galactica]]'', in [[CIC]], Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] orders a scan for any [[Cylon transponder|tracking devices]] that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. At the same time [[Tory Foster]] hands Roslin a cup and a thermos can. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated [[Caprica-Six]] for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.
*[[Lee Adama]] enters CIC near Roslin, who is collecting herself in the Weapons Control station. He notices Roslin's cup, which she left on the table, and smells it, detecting something unexpected.
*Caprica-Six is questioned. She suggests that the [[Daru Mozu|fuel ship]] is being tracked by a unique radiation signature emitted by the ship. The [[Virtual beings|virtual Baltar]] appears and convinces her not to cooperate further. Caprica Six retaliates to Tigh's interrogation by recalling [[Ellen Tigh]], inciting Tigh to strike her, and Six to strike back before [[Marine]]s intervene and shackle the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]].

===Act 2===
*In court, Tigh is questioned, and asked if Baltar appeared to help the [[New Caprica Resistance|resistance]] in any way. Tigh is noticeably drunk. When questioned about Ellen, Tigh acknowledges her involvement but becomes more withdrawn.
*Lampkin cross-examines about the [[NCP]] [[Precipice|initiation bombing]] and how the resistance attempted to target Baltar. Lampkin continues to question about Ellen Tigh's [[Exodus, Part I|collaboration]] by asking Colonel Tigh if his wife was a collaborator, muddying the differences between Ellen Tigh and Baltar. Lampkin points out that Tigh appears drunk. Matters turn to the worst when Tigh begins to hear the music.
*Tigh is asked the nature of Ellen's death, and Tigh resolutely answers, claiming that Baltar's inaction made him kill his wife. He reflects a portion of his wife's [[Exodus, Part II|last words]] to tell how he would do anything to have Baltar killed. Tigh begins to show increasingly signs of anger as the music in his head continues to increase in volume.
*In Joe's Bar, Anders turns a eye to strange noises from the bar's public wireless and shares a look with Foster.
*Under testimony, Roslin notes the execution of 200 people under Cylon tyranny.
*Lampkin attempts to get Lee Adama to give some insight about Roslin's testimony and Roslin herself, instead of being a passive observer who is simply satisfied in embittering his father.
*Lampkin attempts to play to Lee Adama's sense of justice by putting him between two difficult decisions. One being the betrayal of Roslin and his father, or putting his words about justice into action by sharing the personal information with Lampkin.

===Act 3===
*Admiral Adama drags the drunken Tigh to his quarters. The Fleet is nine jumps away from the nebula, and repairs are being made to the fuel ship to keep it from being tracked.
*Tigh says that he can't "smell her anymore" and apologizes for his actions in court. Adama replies that, as his [[Scattered|oldest friend]], he could never embarrass him.
*In the admiral's quarters, Major Adama suggests the idea of sending the fuel ship on a different course to throw off the Cylons temporarily, and the admiral coldly takes it under advisement.
*The two Adamas verbally spar. Admiral Adama angrily accuses his son of helping Lampkin by telling him about what Tigh did to Ellen.
*In response, Major Adama resigns from military duty, while his father accepts the resignation in anger.
*The mood is tense in court when, instead of Lampkin, Lee Adama asks to address the court.
*Lee Adama (in civilian dress) questions President Roslin, but asks if it was Baltar that [[Epiphanies|saved her from cancer]]. When Admiral Adama objects, Lampkin asks for hostile witness latitude, which is given.
*Roslin tells how the cancer was cured. When asked what medications she was currently taking, she says "I don't remember." Asked specifically about [[chamalla]] use, and if she has had hallucinations recently, Roslin counters in the affirmative but notes how it [[Home, Part II|provided the first clues to Earth]] as well as noting Lee Adama's own involvement.
*Before Lee Adama asks his next question, Roslin whispers to him: "Don't do this." He then asks if she was taking chamalla again.
*Admiral Adama tries to overrule the line of questioning but other tribunal judges overrule him, forcing Roslin to answer. She recalls [[Miniseries, Night 1|her fondness for Lee Adama's early leadership]], how calling him "Captain Apollo" way back then had a nice ring to it, but how sad she was at how his behavior has changed.
*Adama notes that chamalla can be sweetened to mask its bitter taste, recalling the cup of tea that Tory gave Roslin at ''Galactica'''s CIC, which gave him the clue to her use of the drug.
*Roslin confirms that she is taking chamalla again. She then challenges counselor Adama to finished what he had started with his last question. When he asks her why was taking the drug again, she tells the court that she is taking the drug again because her cancer has returned.

===Act 4===
*[[Anastasia Dualla]] packs her bags and leaves her husband in disgust over his questioning of Roslin and his usage of the justice system she believes should be dismantled and rebuilt to make it work again.
*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', reporters pepper President Roslin about her cancer, how it will be treated, and if she planned on using Hera Agathon's blood again. The line of questioning infuriates Foster, but Roslin asks her to leave the press conference. When [[Karen Fallbrook]] asks how long the President has to live, an unflinching Roslin repeats the same question at the reporter, leaving Fallbrook speechless.
*After the press conference, Roslin angrily criticizes her aide, complaining that Foster is off her game. Foster claims that she hasn't been sleeping well.
*In his quarters, the drunken Tigh still hears the mysterious music and tries to track its source.
*[[Helo]] arrives in CIC as interim [[Executive officer]] and finds Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], who briefs him. The [[tylium]] fuel ship decoy plan is nearing completion, but there are no further reports of Cylon forces. Three jumps from the nebula.
*Helo remembers a certain smell in the air when trouble was brewing, recalling the weather on Caprica. He believes "something over the horizon" is coming, something that doesn't bode well for the Fleet. "A storm is coming," he says.
*The music that Tigh, Anders, and Foster are hearing appears to be coming from the ship itself.

===Bonus Scene===

* Lee Adama asks Lampkin, "You know he's guilty, right?". Lampkin appeals to Adama's sense of justice, stating that everyone is guilty of something and there is a difference between guilt and criminality.

== Questions ==

* Did Tigh continue drinking all the time, or did he stop for a while after he seemingly pulled himself together again?
* Why does Anders pursue being a pilot?
* Is there a budding romance developing between Anders and Seelix?
* What will Seelix and Anders' callsigns be?
* What is the mysterious music and where is it coming from?
* Why are Tigh, Anders, and Foster apparently the only ones who can hear the ever-increasing music?
* Is the music's loudness and clarity increasing because the Fleet is approaching the Ionian nebula?
* Is Roslin back on using chamalla extract because of prescription from Cottle or is she attempting to receive visions of the future again?
* Did Athena or Caprica-Six receive the same vision that Roslin found herself in during the teaser of the episode?
* Who is the shadowy figure behind the Six in Roslin's vision?
* Who is the Six in Roslin's vision? Caprica-Six or Baltar's virtual Six?
* Would Athena and Helo be willing to donate some of Hera's blood to save Roslin from her cancer?
* Barring any effective treatment, how long does Roslin have to live?
* With Helo temporarily assigned as XO, who has replaced him as CAG? Or is he temporarily holding down both posts?
* Why does Roslin look so different in her dream?
* Will Baltar take the stand?
* Will Caprica Six take the stand?
* Where is Zarek in the midst of the trial proceedings?
* How is Caprica's virtual Baltar aware of the details of Saul and Ellen Tigh's relationship and Ellen's death?
* Why has Adama waited so long to order a sweep of tracking devices throughout the Fleet?

== Analysis ==

* [[Samuel Anders]] wears a uniform with rank insignia and hangs around with Seelix and Costanza. Together with being addressed as "you [[nugget]]s", this indicates that he joined the pilot training program.
* The Cylons have apparently been tracking the fleet since the destruction of the Temple of Five. Their strategy was to delay jumping into any system that the Fleet has been until after six plus hours to ensure that the Fleet would not realize that they were being tracked.
* Adama's military experience comes into play again when he orders that the decoy Raptor stay for a total of 12 hours. This is reminiscent of his previous strategies such as the decision to attack the Cylon tylium factory in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]." When he changes the regular pattern and stays longer than the Cylons had expected, he finally catches them in the act.
* Lee Adama immediately displays signs of fear once Roslin challenges him to "finished what you(he) started" after asking her if she is taking chamalla again. This indicates that either he suspected that Roslin's cancer has returned or he was beginning to feel that his actions are treacherous.
*This is not the first time that a belief in taking a principled but unpopular stand in fact leads Lee Adama into a morally dubious area. Ironically one such decision also involves Laura Roslin - Lee's decision to mutiny against his father when the then Commander Adama tries to remove Roslin from office during the events of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". He almost precipitates a gun battle aboard ''Colonial One'' when he mutinies against Colonel Tigh, who is commanding the strike team sent to arrest Roslin, who ultimately surrenders and does not back the younger Adama's move. This suggests a continuous personality trait of failing to judge the consequences of a headstrong pursuit of a perceived moral cause. Soon after, Lee exhibits a similar late realization of the dangerous moral territory he wandered into when he hesitates and ultimately finds himself unable to advocate a widespread mutiny against his father's leadership over the wireless ([[The Farm]]).
* Helo's comment to Gaeta about a "'storm is coming'" highlights Adama's comment to him at the end of "[[The Woman King]]", specifically to how Helo has been many times the voice in the wilderness. His ability to sense or remember certain details hails back to the final scene in "[[Rapture]]" when he remembers that Thrace had painted the picture of the mandala. It's also similar to his wife predicting that "Something dark is coming" in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".
* Lampkin's opening statement is another prime example of his rhetorical skill. He uses reverse psychology to goad the mob to respond and eventually lead one man in the audience to state his desire to see Baltar die. This display of emotion played in Lampkin's favor as it would make the judges wary of giving into the mob mentality. Secondly, he cleverly paints Roslin as a fanatic by proposing that had Roslin been president when the Cylons invaded New Caprica, the entire human race would have been exterminated. However, as [[Precipice|Zarek has stated to Roslin]], if she had been President, the settlement and eventual invasion of New Caprica would have never taken place.
** The opening statement opens like the opening statement in the film "[[Wikipedia:The Devil's Advocate (film)|The Devil's Advocate]]".
* It appears the closer the Fleet is to the nebula, Tigh, Anders, and Foster hear the music increasingly, even, at least in the case of Foster, to the point of exhaustion.
* Tory Foster appears to be losing it to some extent based on her declining grooming and snappish attitude toward the reporters. Roslin tells her she can be replaced by someone that can handle the pressure and at least run a comb through their hair once a week.
* There is a growing movement in the Fleet that believes Baltar has some sort of healing or divine abilities. His internal-Six doesn't allow him to brush off these devoted followers aside, indicating that his belief about himself that he is the "Chosen One" is coming true.
* Lee Adama's actions towards his father and Roslin have led to another impasse between himself and Dualla. Lee Adama has come to a point where he has been alienated from his father, from Roslin, and his wife, in an attempt to gain some sort of respect from Lampkin and to act in accordance with his noble conceptions of justice by following in his grandfather's footsteps.
* Lee Adama's words to the pilots in "[[A Day in the Life]]" come back to haunt Racetrack when the Cylons jump on top of her Raptor right after the end of a card game. The ship's systems apparently had been powered down as Racetrack can't even maneuver or evade the missile to give the FTL drive a few more moments to spin up.
* Baltar is only being tried for crimes that the prosecution believes can be proven. He is therefore not being tried for the genocide of humanity that occurred during the [[Miniseries]]. Although the show's audience knows his involvement, none of the primary characters in the series who give testimony have to date any hard evidence of his complicity, beyond Laura Roslin's hallucination whilst dying of cancer in "[[Epiphanies]]". This is acknowledged before, when she tries to challenge Baltar about the settlement of New Caprica. She tells him that she saw him together with Six, but knows that she has no concrete evidence ([[Lay Down Your Burdens]]).
* [[Cassidy]]'s numbers for the surviving human population are contradictory. It seems that the number the writers arrived at for the surviving humans only refers to the ''civilian'' population of the Fleet, excluding the military personnel. The regular survivor count in "[[Collaborators]]" is higher. The second confusion stems from her saying "the sum total of survivors [...] who settled on New Caprica". This clearly means only the people down on the planet. However her number of 44,035 also includes the ''total'' population left in orbit, both military and civilian. This writing error makes her statement that 5,197 people were lost entirely inaccurate, but aside from that the numbers fit with what has been established before (see: [[Survivor Count]]):
**41,435 (Collaborators) - 38,838 = 2,597 (the military personnel in the Fleet)
**44,035 - 39,192 (the inhabitants of [[New Caprica City]]) = 4,835 (the total population in orbit)
**4,835 - 2,597 = 2,238 (Lee Adama refers to roughly 2,000 civilians who escaped New Caprica in "[[Precipice]]")
**49,550 (count in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") - 39,192 - 4,835 (total population in orbit) = 5,523 (the death toll prior to the occupation, mostly incurred with the destruction of ''Cloud Nine'')
**49,550 - 5,523 - 41,435 = 2,592 (the causalities of the Cylon occupation and the escape from New Caprica)

== Notes ==

*The episode has one of the most sparse musical score yet. The only major pieces are during Roslin's dream at the beginning and the music Tigh keeps hearing. According to a [http://bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm blog entry] by composer [[Bear McCreary]], director [[Michael Rymer]] and the editors decided not to use any music during the court room part, in order to let the scenes speak for themselves.
*It's the first episode without an intro sequence, thus increasing the effective running time a little bit. Because of that, no updated [[Survivor Count]] is available.
*The bitterness of chamalla and that it can be sweetened to make it taste better, is first mentioned by the oracle [[Dodona Selloi]] in "[[Exodus, Part I]]".
*One of the shots of others listening to the trial on the [[wireless]] shows the [[refinery ship]] from "[[Dirty Hands]]".
*A storm is often used as a metaphor for a battle, conflict, or massive upheaval in science fiction. Helo's final line in this episode is almost an exact duplicate of the ending of the movie ''"[[w:The Terminator|The Terminator]]"'', and is very similar to the warning issued by the prophetess in ''"[[w:The Stand|The Stand]]"''. A huge storm (a sandstorm) also takes place during the climax of the novel ''"[[w:Dune (novel)|Dune]]"''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''The showdown of the Adamas:''
: '''[[Lee Adama]]''': I refuse to serve under someone that questions my integrity.
: '''[[William Adama]]''': And I refuse to have an officer serve under me that has none.

== Official Statements ==
Notes from the podcast:

* The opening teaser is indeed set in the Kobol Opera House that has been seen numerous times. This particular scene in the teaser was a late addition as the director and producers wanted to create a foreboding atmosphere to the episode. This was influenced by the fact that the studio executives were not favorable to the idea of ending the season with Baltar's trial.

* RDM goes more into the original trial storyline that involved the Saggitarons and Baltar. In summary, during their time on New Caprica, the food supply had been contaminated and a famine had fallen on most of the colonists, except the Saggitarons, who had been very careful with their harvests and supplies. This alienation between the Saggitarons and the rest of the colonies came to a collision when Baltar was attempting to have the Saggitaron leadership share their food with the other colonists. Unfortunately, Baltar is forced to kill one of the leaders, and thus began the riots and slaughter directed towards the Saggitarons. This killing was to be eventually revealed that it was a necessity instead of an act of genocide.

* Another component of the original storyline was to have Lee Adama be Baltar's only attorney and Lee's morals come into play when he obtains a video recording of Baltar actually shooting the Saggitaron leader. The cliff hanger of the episode was suppose to leave the audience wondering what will Lee do now that he believes Baltar is guilty.

* Over time, RDM and the director agreed that this storyline involved too many plot elements that the audience had never witnessed about Baltar. Once the decision was made, RDM completely revised the whole trial and rewrote the episodes.

* RDM hints that Athena and Roslin did indeed see each other during the dream sequence. A deleted scene had Roslin in the the restroom attempting to cool her head down while Athena comes out from one of the stalls. They looked at each other briefly in a silent acknowledgment that they did see each other in the dream.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Jen Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Brendan Costanza]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Colin Lawrence]] as [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
*[[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
*[[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
*[[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as Young Woman
*[[Chelah Horsdal]] as [[Cassidy]]
*[[Susan Hogan]] as [[Doyle Franks]]
*[[William Samples]] as Judge Number Two
*Lily Duong-Walton as [[Hera Agathon]]

== References ==
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Crossroads, Part II

2007-03-27T04:57:44Z

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{{Episode Data
| title= Crossroads, Part II
| image= 3x20-CrossroadsPartII-BaltarSixHera.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 20
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 320
| rating=
| US airdate= 2007-03-25
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= ?
| extra= '''Season Finale - 50 Minute Episode'''
| prev= [[Crossroads, Part I]]
| next= '''TBA'''
}}

== Overview ==
:''As Gaeta testifies against Baltar about the execution list that the accused signed on New Caprica, Roslin finds a disturbing link between her dreams and the [[Opera House]] on Kobol. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=191395&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=6434876?tag=ep_list;title;19|title=Crossroads, Part II }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===
*[[Admiral Adama]] shaves, cutting himself when the lights flicker.
*[[Laura Roslin]] calls, seeking a bit of humorous motivation to get out of bed and face the [[Crossroads, Part I|trial]] again, which she does not relish.
*After one feeble attempt, Adama manages "get your fat, lazy ass out of that rack, Roslin!" which makes Roslin laugh and give a heartfelt thank you. Adama tells her, "Don't let 'em see you sweat, Laura."
*[[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] are sexually engaged when she hears a strange music. When she notes it to Anders, he's surprised at the revelation, having heard it before himself.
*[[Diana Seelix]] knocks on the duty locker door and Anders opens it. An unconfortable silence between Seelix, Anders and Foster begins.
*[[Galen Tyrol]] is half-asleep, humming the music. He leaves his bed and quarters and goes to a section of ventilation to hear the music elsewhere on ''[[Galactica]]''.
*[[Lee Adama]] recommends a mistrial for [[Gaius Baltar]], using his grandfather's written advice, believing that their successes are actually worsening the issue. Baltar is incensed at the suggestion, believing that Adama wants to leave the case.
*[[Romo Lampkin]], Baltar's attorney, is inclined to agree with Adama, but young Adama's comment about his father's words about the "treacherous" Baltar leaves him to ponder.
*Baltar doesn't want to repeat the terror he's experienced in the time before the trial.
*[[Racetrack]] is training Seelix, Anders, and other [[Raptor]] [[nugget]]s, when Anders overhears Chief Tyrol humming. Together, they realize that the melody feels like something out of childhood, and they hear only a part of the melody.
*Before they can analyze further, Racetrack yells for Anders to return to the group.

===Act 1===
*Roslin takes [[doloxan]] treatment in [[sickbay]]. As she lies down and dreams, she experiences the same dream as [[Sharon Agathon]], also in sickbay with [[Hera Agathon|her daughter]], and both scream simultaneously. The two ask to talk privately.
*Later, Roslin and Sharon Agathon meet with [[Caprica-Six]], who has also experienced the dreams. When asked why Six is trying to reach Hera, she says that she felt she had to protect her "with (my) life."
*[[Saul Tigh]] tells Admiral Adama about the music. The admiral tells Tigh that he will look into it later as he leaves for court.
*The trial resumes. Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] is on the stand. The [[Precipice|execution order]] from [[New Caprica]] is admitted as evidence by [[Cassidy]], the prosecutor.
*Gaeta lies, as viewers are shown the actual events where Baltar is forced to sign at gunpoint, where Gaeta says that Baltar did not resist.
*Lampkin chooses not to cross-examine, to Baltar's great horror. The prosecution rests.

===Act 2===
*After a recess, the defense begins its case.
*Lampkin motions for a mistrial, as Baltar objects, due to prejudicial comments by Admiral Adama four days before. He asks for Mr. Lee Adama to take the stand.
*The prosecuting attorney strongly objects, but after Lampkin warns of much case law that permits such a procedure, the tribunal allows Mr. Adama to testify.
*Mr. Adama refuses to confirm his father's comments. As Lampkin tries to intimidate Mr. Adama, he restates, asking if Baltar deserves a fair trial.
*Asked why, Mr. Adama believes Baltar is not guilty, but Admiral Adama asks for the questioning to continue.
*Pressed for more clarification, Mr. Adama states that Baltar did not commit treason. He asks the tribunal what anyone else would do in that situation. He notes that all other conspirators and resistance fighters were pardoned, as was many, many other mistakes of the past, from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Roslin]], to [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Admiral Adama]], and himself in the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' and running from [[New Caprica]], recommending never to return with [[Pegasus (RDM)|his battlestar]].
*Mr. Adama believes that new laws are needed because they are less of a civilization now and more of a gang. He states that, unlike everyone else, Baltar is being prosecuted because of his arrogance and is not being accorded the same forgiveness as others.
*Adama believes that the trial is built on emotions and shame from the events of New Caprica, and the shame of those that ran away. Mr. Adama looks to his father as he speaks.
*He believes that Baltar is a scapegoat for all the guilt of the people.
*The prosecuting attorney does not cross-examine, and the defense rests.
*The tribunal steps out to deliberate as Roslin steps down to congratulate Cassidy for her work.

===Act 3===
*Baltar is acquitted, 3 votes to 2 against. Yelling turns into a riot in the gallery as marines try to get Baltar to safety while the [[Fleet News Service|press]] tries to interview many players.
*Baltar is happily discussing the victory but makes a mistake in insulting Admiral Adama. Lee Adama warns him, "Don't push it, doctor."
*When Baltar asks Lampkin to aid him in a book tour and other profitable matters, Lampkin tells him that his association with Baltar is done.
*Baltar suddenly realizes that, despite his apparent freedom, he is a man without a country, without work, friends, or even quarters.
*Lampkin and Mr. Adama say their goodbyes. Lee Adama, on seeing Lampkin walking away without his cane, realizes that he had used the cane as yet another psychological tactic.
*Gaius Baltar tries to be inconspicuous as he moves files elsewhere, but all eyes are on him.
*Roslin and Admiral Adama speak in [[CIC]]. She is incensed at the verdict. Adama reminds Roslin that "not guilty" does not mean "innocent."
*Roslin assumes that Adama cast a guilty vote, when, to Roslin's shock and anger, the admiral states he voted not guilty, feeling that the prosecution did not hold their case.
*Adama tells Roslin that no one is asking anyone to forgive or forget, but they must look to the future.
*Adama orders the last jump to the [[Ionian nebula]]. The jump is successful, and Adama orders a [[DRADIS]] scan when Roslin becomes immediately dazed and stunned.
*As Admiral Adama looks to Roslin to check on her health, main power on every ship of the Fleet fails, leaving each one, including ''Galactica'', drifting dangerously close to each other.

===Act 4===
*Pilots scramble with [[flashlight]]s to their stations while CIC tries to get to auxiliary power, but battery power is the best they can muster.
*The scene shifts to a dream in the [[Opera House]] again, with Gaius Baltar holding Hera and Caprica-Six next to him. Above them, the glowing images of the [[Final Five]] appear. Caprica-Six awakens from the dream.
*Baltar tries to take advantage of the darkness and chaos when three women confront him. Frightened, Baltar is told by the women that they will take him to safety.
*The mysterious music gets louder, and Tigh, Galen Tyrol, Tory Foster and Anders begin quoting lyrics from an increasingly coherent melody. It turns out to be [[Wikipedia:All Along The Watchtower|All Along The Watchtower]], originally by Bob Dylan (here in an [[Bear_McCreary|original]] Indian/Rock version).
*As viewers watch, the music gets louder and more dynamic, forming a rock song. Each of the four are drawn to a central room on ''Galactica'', where they discover each other. Each are stunned and shocked.
*Tyrol believes the impossible; that all of them are [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Each of them begin to hum the music, together, coherently, in full. Tigh angrily stops them and closes the hatches while they talk.
*Tigh states his time in service, and his history, trying to believe that none of it was in vain. Anders objects as well.
*As power is restored, DRADIS picks up a large Cylon fleet coming their way. [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] manage to scramble. [[Helo]], as acting XO, notes the mass power outage will mean that it will take at least 20 minutes for the [[FTL]] jump drives on the civilian ships to be ready. The admiral doesn't believe they have the time.
*In the closed room, Tigh states that, despite what they believe about themselves, that he is going to do his job as a Colonial officer, and heads to CIC. The others follow suit.
*The hangar deck is abuzz with activity as Chief Tyrol tries to resume his usual work.
*Lee Adama, after watching other pilots run from duty lockers to flight preparation, heads there himself to prep.
*Admiral Adama orders the preparation of the battlestar's nuclear weapons. Tigh reports on station, keeping his face stony.
*The Vipers launch. [[Helo]] is confused about the pilot of Viper 3.
*Apollo, in Viper 3, picks up a target on his [[Viper Mark VII|Viper's]] DRADIS, and tracks it down. As he looks around, an image of a [[Viper Mark II]] keeps appearing and disappearing in the clouds. The image buzzes overhead and alarms the pilot momentarily.
*Pulling alongside in her undamaged Viper, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] greets Apollo. She tells him not to "freak out," that it really is her.
*The [[Maelstrom|believed-dead]] pilot tells Apollo that she has been to [[Earth]], and that she can guide the Fleet there.
*As the music continues to play, the episode concludes as the shot pulls swiftly and violently away from Apollo and Starbuck's Viper, past the Colonial fleet, the Cylon fleet and several planets to show an arm of the galaxy.
*The shot suddenly zooms forward and through another nearby galactic arm to the familiar blue-green planet of Earth and what is known to viewers as the North American continent (in its current shape, long after the tectonic drift that split the [[w:Pangaea|Pangaea]] super-continent millions of years earlier in the planet's history).

== Questions ==
*How was Starbuck able to transport herself, unharmed and without any explicable means, from the "interior" of a gas planet to the Solar system and then to the Ionian nebula within a relatively short span of time?
*Where is the music coming from?
*Are we supposed to interpret the music as the actual Dylan song, and therefore a connection to Earth?
*how come the viper MKII that starbuck is flying look brand new?
*Where did starbuck get that viper?
*Is Col Tigh the oldest cylon model?
*Did the cylons develop human models before the first cylon war and was Col Tigh that first model?

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] discusses the finale:''
: It is a different finale in the sense that the previous ones have been about fragmenting the characters and spreading them all over different parts of space, and this one, everyone is really on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Every major character is on ''Galactica'', and the stuff going on down on ''Galactica'' is where the drama is.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7BAC4FC1D4-115F-457C-8E4A-01A539D77D39%7D|title=''Galactica'''s Jamie Bamber Visits a Heavenly ''Ghost''|date=2007-02-23|accessdate=2007-02-23|last=Cohn|first=Angel|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''SciFi.com Forums Admin discusses the running time:''
: The Sunday, March 25, season finale of ''Battlestar Galactica'' will run five minutes longer than usual. If you plan on recording the episode, set your DVR or VCR to continue for five to 10 minutes after the end of the hour so you do not miss anything.<ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2266869|title=BSG Season Finale on March 25 will run 5 minutes overtime|publisher=|page=|date=2007-03-07|accessdate=2007-03-08|language=English}}</ref>
*RDM has confirmed in [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm this] interview that Tyrol, Tigh, Tory, and Anders are indeed Cylons and members of the Final Five.

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
Guest Star
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
Guest Stars
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as [[Dr. Cottle]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Chelah Horsdal]] as [[Cassidy]]
*[[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]
Cast
*[[Leah Cairns]] as [[Racetrack|Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Jen Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as [[Hoshi]]
*[[Alison Matthews]] as Fallbrook
*[[Susan Hogan]] as [[Doyle Franks]]
*[[Stephen Holmes]] as Reporter #2
*[[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as Young Woman
*[[Susan Hogan]] as [[Franks]]
*[[William Samples]] as Judge #2
uncredited:
*Lily Duong-Walton as [[Hera Agathon]]

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Crossroads, Part II

2007-03-27T04:44:10Z

Vidiot: /* List based upon on-screen listing*/

{{Episode Data
| title= Crossroads, Part II
| image= 3x20-CrossroadsPartII-BaltarSixHera.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 20
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 320
| rating=
| US airdate= 2007-03-25
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= ?
| extra= '''Season Finale - 50 Minute Episode'''
| prev= [[Crossroads, Part I]]
| next= '''TBA'''
}}

== Overview ==
:''As Gaeta testifies against Baltar about the execution list that the accused signed on New Caprica, Roslin finds a disturbing link between her dreams and the [[Opera House]] on Kobol. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=191395&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=6434876?tag=ep_list;title;19|title=Crossroads, Part II }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===
*[[Admiral Adama]] shaves, cutting himself when the lights flicker.
*[[Laura Roslin]] calls, seeking a bit of humorous motivation to get out of bed and face the [[Crossroads, Part I|trial]] again, which she does not relish.
*After one feeble attempt, Adama manages "get your fat, lazy ass out of that rack, Roslin!" which makes Roslin laugh and give a heartfelt thank you. Adama tells her, "Don't let 'em see you sweat, Laura."
*[[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] are sexually engaged when she hears a strange music. When she notes it to Anders, he's surprised at the revelation, having heard it before himself.
*[[Diana Seelix]] knocks on the duty locker door and Anders opens it. An unconfortable silence between Seelix, Anders and Foster begins.
*[[Galen Tyrol]] is half-asleep, humming the music. He leaves his bed and quarters and goes to a section of ventilation to hear the music elsewhere on ''[[Galactica]]''.
*[[Lee Adama]] recommends a mistrial for [[Gaius Baltar]], using his grandfather's written advice, believing that their successes are actually worsening the issue. Baltar is incensed at the suggestion, believing that Adama wants to leave the case.
*[[Romo Lampkin]], Baltar's attorney, is inclined to agree with Adama, but young Adama's comment about his father's words about the "treacherous" Baltar leaves him to ponder.
*Baltar doesn't want to repeat the terror he's experienced in the time before the trial.
*[[Racetrack]] is training Seelix, Anders, and other [[Raptor]] [[nugget]]s, when Anders overhears Chief Tyrol humming. Together, they realize that the melody feels like something out of childhood, and they hear only a part of the melody.
*Before they can analyze further, Racetrack yells for Anders to return to the group.

===Act 1===
*Roslin takes [[doloxan]] treatment in [[sickbay]]. As she lies down and dreams, she experiences the same dream as [[Sharon Agathon]], also in sickbay with [[Hera Agathon|her daughter]], and both scream simultaneously. The two ask to talk privately.
*Later, Roslin and Sharon Agathon meet with [[Caprica-Six]], who has also experienced the dreams. When asked why Six is trying to reach Hera, she says that she felt she had to protect her "with (my) life."
*[[Saul Tigh]] tells Admiral Adama about the music. The admiral tells Tigh that he will look into it later as he leaves for court.
*The trial resumes. Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] is on the stand. The [[Precipice|execution order]] from [[New Caprica]] is admitted as evidence by [[Cassidy]], the prosecutor.
*Gaeta lies, as viewers are shown the actual events where Baltar is forced to sign at gunpoint, where Gaeta says that Baltar did not resist.
*Lampkin chooses not to cross-examine, to Baltar's great horror. The prosecution rests.

===Act 2===
*After a recess, the defense begins its case.
*Lampkin motions for a mistrial, as Baltar objects, due to prejudicial comments by Admiral Adama four days before. He asks for Mr. Lee Adama to take the stand.
*The prosecuting attorney strongly objects, but after Lampkin warns of much case law that permits such a procedure, the tribunal allows Mr. Adama to testify.
*Mr. Adama refuses to confirm his father's comments. As Lampkin tries to intimidate Mr. Adama, he restates, asking if Baltar deserves a fair trial.
*Asked why, Mr. Adama believes Baltar is not guilty, but Admiral Adama asks for the questioning to continue.
*Pressed for more clarification, Mr. Adama states that Baltar did not commit treason. He asks the tribunal what anyone else would do in that situation. He notes that all other conspirators and resistance fighters were pardoned, as was many, many other mistakes of the past, from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Roslin]], to [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Admiral Adama]], and himself in the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' and running from [[New Caprica]], recommending never to return with [[Pegasus (RDM)|his battlestar]].
*Mr. Adama believes that new laws are needed because they are less of a civilization now and more of a gang. He states that, unlike everyone else, Baltar is being prosecuted because of his arrogance and is not being accorded the same forgiveness as others.
*Adama believes that the trial is built on emotions and shame from the events of New Caprica, and the shame of those that ran away. Mr. Adama looks to his father as he speaks.
*He believes that Baltar is a scapegoat for all the guilt of the people.
*The prosecuting attorney does not cross-examine, and the defense rests.
*The tribunal steps out to deliberate as Roslin steps down to congratulate Cassidy for her work.

===Act 3===
*Baltar is acquitted, 3 votes to 2 against. Yelling turns into a riot in the gallery as marines try to get Baltar to safety while the [[Fleet News Service|press]] tries to interview many players.
*Baltar is happily discussing the victory but makes a mistake in insulting Admiral Adama. Lee Adama warns him, "Don't push it, doctor."
*When Baltar asks Lampkin to aid him in a book tour and other profitable matters, Lampkin tells him that his association with Baltar is done.
*Baltar suddenly realizes that, despite his apparent freedom, he is a man without a country, without work, friends, or even quarters.
*Lampkin and Mr. Adama say their goodbyes. Lee Adama, on seeing Lampkin walking away without his cane, realizes that he had used the cane as yet another psychological tactic.
*Gaius Baltar tries to be inconspicuous as he moves files elsewhere, but all eyes are on him.
*Roslin and Admiral Adama speak in [[CIC]]. She is incensed at the verdict. Adama reminds Roslin that "not guilty" does not mean "innocent."
*Roslin assumes that Adama cast a guilty vote, when, to Roslin's shock and anger, the admiral states he voted not guilty, feeling that the prosecution did not hold their case.
*Adama tells Roslin that no one is asking anyone to forgive or forget, but they must look to the future.
*Adama orders the last jump to the [[Ionian nebula]]. The jump is successful, and Adama orders a [[DRADIS]] scan when Roslin becomes immediately dazed and stunned.
*As Admiral Adama looks to Roslin to check on her health, main power on every ship of the Fleet fails, leaving each one, including ''Galactica'', drifting dangerously close to each other.

===Act 4===
*Pilots scramble with [[flashlight]]s to their stations while CIC tries to get to auxiliary power, but battery power is the best they can muster.
*The scene shifts to a dream in the [[Opera House]] again, with Gaius Baltar holding Hera and Caprica-Six next to him. Above them, the glowing images of the [[Final Five]] appear. Caprica-Six awakens from the dream.
*Baltar tries to take advantage of the darkness and chaos when three women confront him. Frightened, Baltar is told by the women that they will take him to safety.
*The mysterious music gets louder, and Tigh, Galen Tyrol, Tory Foster and Anders begin [[Wikipedia:All Along The Watchtower|quoting lyrics]] from an increasingly coherent melody. It turns out to be [[Wikipedia:All Along The Watchtower]], originally by Bob Dylan (here in an original Indian/Rock version.
*As viewers watch, the music gets louder and more dynamic, forming a rock song. Each of the four are drawn to a central room on ''Galactica'', where they discover each other. Each are stunned and shocked.
*Tyrol believes the impossible; that all of them are [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Each of them begin to hum the music, together, coherently, in full. Tigh angrily stops them and closes the hatches while they talk.
*Tigh states his time in service, and his history, trying to believe that none of it was in vain. Anders objects as well.
*As power is restored, DRADIS picks up a large Cylon fleet coming their way. [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] manage to scramble. [[Helo]], as acting XO, notes the mass power outage will mean that it will take at least 20 minutes for the [[FTL]] jump drives on the civilian ships to be ready. The admiral doesn't believe they have the time.
*In the closed room, Tigh states that, despite what they believe about themselves, that he is going to do his job as a Colonial officer, and heads to CIC. The others follow suit.
*The hangar deck is abuzz with activity as Chief Tyrol tries to resume his usual work.
*Lee Adama, after watching other pilots run from duty lockers to flight preparation, heads there himself to prep.
*Admiral Adama orders the preparation of the battlestar's nuclear weapons. Tigh reports on station, keeping his face stony.
*The Vipers launch. [[Helo]] is confused about the pilot of Viper 3.
*Apollo, in Viper 3, picks up a target on his [[Viper Mark VII|Viper's]] DRADIS, and tracks it down. As he looks around, an image of a [[Viper Mark II]] keeps appearing and disappearing in the clouds. The image buzzes overhead and alarms the pilot momentarily.
*Pulling alongside in her undamaged Viper, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] greets Apollo. She tells him not to "freak out," that it really is her.
*The [[Maelstrom|believed-dead]] pilot tells Apollo that she has been to [[Earth]], and that she can guide the Fleet there.
*As the music continues to play, the episode concludes as the shot pulls swiftly and violently away from Apollo and Starbuck's Viper, past the Colonial fleet, the Cylon fleet and several planets to show an arm of the galaxy.
*The shot suddenly zooms forward and through another nearby galactic arm to the familiar blue-green planet of Earth and what is known to viewers as the North American continent (in its current shape, long after the tectonic drift that split the [[w:Pangaea|Pangaea]] super-continent millions of years earlier in the planet's history).

== Questions ==
*How was Starbuck able to transport herself, unharmed and without any explicable means, from the "interior" of a gas planet to the Solar system and then to the Ionian nebula within a relatively short span of time?
*Where is the music coming from?
*Are we supposed to interpret the music as the actual Dylan song, and therefore a connection to Earth?
*how come the viper MKII that starbuck is flying look brand new?
*Where did starbuck get that viper?
*Is Col Tigh the oldest cylon model?
*Did the cylons develop human models before the first cylon war and was Col Tigh that first model?

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] discusses the finale:''
: It is a different finale in the sense that the previous ones have been about fragmenting the characters and spreading them all over different parts of space, and this one, everyone is really on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Every major character is on ''Galactica'', and the stuff going on down on ''Galactica'' is where the drama is.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7BAC4FC1D4-115F-457C-8E4A-01A539D77D39%7D|title=''Galactica'''s Jamie Bamber Visits a Heavenly ''Ghost''|date=2007-02-23|accessdate=2007-02-23|last=Cohn|first=Angel|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''SciFi.com Forums Admin discusses the running time:''
: The Sunday, March 25, season finale of ''Battlestar Galactica'' will run five minutes longer than usual. If you plan on recording the episode, set your DVR or VCR to continue for five to 10 minutes after the end of the hour so you do not miss anything.<ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2266869|title=BSG Season Finale on March 25 will run 5 minutes overtime|publisher=|page=|date=2007-03-07|accessdate=2007-03-08|language=English}}</ref>
*RDM has confirmed in [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm this] interview that Tyrol, Tigh, Tory, and Anders are indeed Cylons and members of the Final Five.

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Lt. Anastasia Dualla]]
Guest Star
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
Guest Stars
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as [[Dr. Cottle]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Chelah Horsdal]] as [[Cassidy]]
*[[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]
Cast
*[[Leah Cairns]] as [[Racetrack|Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Jen Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as [[Hoshi]]
*[[Alison Matthews]] as [[Fallbrook]]
*[[Susan Hogan]] as [[Doyle Franks]]
*[[Stephen Holmes]] as [[Reporter #2]]
*[[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as Young Woman
*[[Susan Hogan]] as [[Franks]]
*[[William Samples]] as Judge #2
uncredited:
*Lily Duong-Walton as [[Hera Agathon]]

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

User talk:Shane

2007-03-25T22:38:15Z

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title. For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''. But that would be effectively changing the title of the book. Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''?
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes. My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork. I do not have access to anything to say otherwise. Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source. It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I". It is the only official documentation that I currently have. I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

: [http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2717-070311-1.png image_1]
: [http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2717-070311-2.png image_2]
: [http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2718-070318-1.png image_3]
: [http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2718-070318-2.png image_4]
: [http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2719-070325-1.png image_5]
: [http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2719-070325-2.png image_6]

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed. I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast. After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more. I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming). The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them. The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward). They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B). I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts. A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio. Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate. If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman. Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title. For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''. But that would be effectively changing the title of the book. Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''?
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes. My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork. I do not have access to anything to say otherwise. Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source. It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I". It is the only official documentation that I currently have. I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2717-070311-1.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2717-070311-2.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2718-070318-1.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2718-070318-2.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2719-070325-1.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2719-070325-2.png

Edit: Oh crap, none of the links show up as links. Add vidiot.com/ in front of each of the images.

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed. I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast. After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more. I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming). The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them. The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward). They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B). I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts. A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio. Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate. If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman. Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

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2007-03-25T22:28:03Z

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there or in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals look better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred. What gives you, or anyone for that matter, the right to change the title. For example, the book/movie ''The Color Purple''. If this title were listed on a British site, one might be tempted to change the title to ''The Colour Purple''. But that would be effectively changing the title of the book. Yes, it would be the British spelling, but the book/movie isn't British.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

:::We aren't changing the title. We are talking about the way a number is written, for Pete's sake! It doesn't make a difference whether we use roman or arabic numerals. The title is still effectively the same. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::If you insist, we can make [[Exodus, Pt 1]], [[Exodus, Pt 2]], etc. redirect to the appropriate page. As for the production numbers, we can change the text "Production number:" to "Sequence number:", and we'd be fine, wouldn't we? BTW, would you happen to know what the "T27" part means?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:45, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::We already have "Episode number" at the top of the template. "Sequence number" is kinda redundant then. I didn't realize the main problem earlier, and Vidiot does have a point in this case. But then, I'm for deleting it altogether. Even noting the real production numbers used behind the scenes isn't that useful IMO. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Not really, no. I say we throw out the production number as it's redundant anyway. Maybe call a vote on the template's talk page?--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The ''extremely minor'' Roman vs. Arabic numerals issue aside (an issue easily rectified by redirects), the production number thing concerns me. A question that no one has sought fit to ask is '''what is/are the source(s) of these numbers'''?
:::Also, speaking of the Arabic vs. Roman numeral argument provided here, I've taken the liberty to refer to David Bassom's official companions for both Season 1 and Season 2. In the books, roman numerals are used in the episode titles. (i.e. "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" is written as "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:22, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::The reason the production numbers are like this, is because it works in conjunction with the SciFi site when we link to the official summaries. The production numbers you give are cast/crew sheets and are "expanded" based on script readings. As for the name I do agree we have a little inconsistency, for the miniseries we have [[Miniseries, Night 1]] and [[Miniseries, Night 2]] but for the episodes them selfs we have roman numerals. Right now since, the avg. user has zero access to the script cast/crew calling sheets on the web (i.e. special access to IMDB Pro). I rather have everything "consistent" to what the avg. person sees. Yes we have Crew/Cast visiting this wiki (I talk with them all the time), but I am sure they don't care. '''Plus''' the universal language in this world is mathematics and keep roman numberlers is better imo. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:38, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

OK, here goes. My responses to all of the above new stuff will be done here.

As to the titles from the 1st and 2nd seasons, as listed in the two books, I have no clue what the author was using as a source and if he did change it to romans from the official paperwork. I do not have access to anything to say otherwise. Only this season do I have access to information that does provide some path to the official source. It is entirely possible that the department that put the tapes together type "Part 1" instead of "Part I". It is the only official documentation that I currently have. I suppose one could always ask RDM, since he obviously has access to official doumentation.

That same information is the source of the the production numbers, which is:

: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2717-070311-1.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2717-070311-2.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2718-070318-1.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2718-070318-2.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2719-070325-1.png
: http://vidiot.com/BattlestarGalactica-T2719-070325-2.png

The 2nd image of each group is from the tape slate of the tape that was fed. I'd have to pull the DVD-ROMs of the previous episodes to show the pattern.

Early on, GDMX fed both Canada and Comcast. After the break, the Comcast feeds were no more. I believe that the T27nn numbers are an internal number for the Comcast edits (which contained promos for NBC programming). The satellite feed slates were never modified to contain the NBC/Universal official show production number until recently.

As to Shane's comment (which I just now saw), call sheets might not necessarily have the NBC/Universal production number on them. The ones for Paramount Star Trek shows did (the ones from ST:TNG onward). They might only have the episode number, which is one less than the sequence number ('Exodus' being 303A and 303B). I do not know NBC/Universal's format without seeing a copy of a callsheet.

The Wiki is supposed to contain facts. A production number listing is supposed to be just that, the official production number assigned by the studio. Putting up a sequence number and calling it a production number is inaccurate. If you are still not sure that what I have provided is correct, I say that the production number listing be removed until paperwork can be obtained from NBC/Universal.

I just looked at Sci-Fi's web site and they have 'CROSSROADS - PT 2', i.e., arabic, not roman. Six of one, half dozen of the other. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 17:28, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Vidiot

2007-03-25T21:26:08Z

Vidiot: /* Nothing against you... */

Crossroads, Part II

2007-03-25T20:49:05Z

Vidiot: /* Guest Stars - spoiler guest star listing*/

{{spoiler}}

{{Episode Data
| title= Crossroads, Part II
| image= 3x20-CrossroadsPartII-BaltarSixHera.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 20
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 320
| rating=
| US airdate= 2007-03-25
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= ?
| extra= '''Season Finale - 50 Minute Episode'''
| prev= [[Crossroads, Part I]]
| next= '''TBA'''
}}

== Overview ==
:''As Gaeta testifies against Baltar about the execution list that the accused signed on New Caprica, Roslin finds a disturbing link between her dreams and the [[Opera House]] on Kobol. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=191395&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=6434876?tag=ep_list;title;19|title=Crossroads, Part II }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] discusses the finale:''
: It is a different finale in the sense that the previous ones have been about fragmenting the characters and spreading them all over different parts of space, and this one, everyone is really on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Every major character is on ''Galactica'', and the stuff going on down on ''Galactica'' is where the drama is.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7BAC4FC1D4-115F-457C-8E4A-01A539D77D39%7D|title=''Galactica'''s Jamie Bamber Visits a Heavenly ''Ghost''|date=2007-02-23|accessdate=2007-02-23|last=Cohn|first=Angel|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''SciFi.com Forums Admin discusses the running time:''
: The Sunday, March 25, season finale of ''Battlestar Galactica'' will run five minutes longer than usual. If you plan on recording the episode, set your DVR or VCR to continue for five to 10 minutes after the end of the hour so you do not miss anything.<ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2266869|title=BSG Season Finale on March 25 will run 5 minutes overtime|publisher=|page=|date=2007-03-07|accessdate=2007-03-08|language=English}}</ref>

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*Lily Duong-Walton as [[Hera Agathon]]
{{spoilli|*[[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Starbuck]]}}

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

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==Fix template==
Shane, can you pretty please fix the Star and Crew templates please. the Character box seemed to work fine by lightening the name but the others arnt quite right. If you could look into it, that would be great. cheers. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:57, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:It takes a while for most of them because of the [[Special:Statistics|job queue]]. The first one of each one is done. You did everything correctly. If you are taking about the "large" text, <code>font-size: larger</code> is what needs to be removed. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:02, 14 February 2007 (CST)
::Ok ill go though and check a load a bit later. Seems to be ok on first glance now --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:15, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:::I went ahead and forced ran the job queue just because there wasn't much activity. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:20, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Episodes Smaller characters have starred in ==

Reason I Showed the episodes that Leoben had starred in was because i've got about 10 friends that keep asking everybody "what episode did number 3 star in where she did such and such" and etc. So I figured it would be convienent for me to go ahead and list the episodes Leoben had starred in. Is this ok Shane? I mean I think it helps as it dosen't hurt the page. I'll do it for all the guest stars like the cylons too if you want. --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:I feel asleep in front of my computer. Pardon for my delay. I suggest a "Table Matrix" then. [[List of character appearances (RDM)]]. Sorta how our "[[List of pilots]]" page work. Character pages, clearly stated in [[BW:SAC]] should not carry this information. If you want I can help, but I think it's a great idea. You might want to even suggest a "Last Seen" field for the {{tl|Character Data}} template. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Sounds Great. I'll start working on it tommorow. Thanks! And also, I had posted in the think tank a link to a proposal of mine to creat some sort of rating system to were each fan of the show that comes here can rate there favorite episodes. Does that sound cool? --[[User:Darth Tytis|Darth Tytis]] 23:47, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:Yep. I already posted something on it's talk page. Check it out. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:48, 14 February 2007 (CST)

One last thing, I had to tell you but i've gone through the tutorials about editing and stuff and I'm still having trouble creating different sections like you did on the pilots page. If you want you can do them but i'll do the best I can. {{unsigned|Darth Tytis}}
:I never worked on the pilots page. I'll get it started, and you can help out. This is always a team effort. Practice makes perfection and if you fail, '''''"try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, again." -- Some [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|Star Trek]] Episode''''' as we don't care. :-) Always revertible. [[BW:SAND]] to test out. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:01, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== Battlestarwiki españa ==

Hola, te dejé un mensaje [http://es.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%C3%B3n:Shane aquí] pero no contestabas. Un saludo de --[[User:Baltar Gaiolas|Baltar Gaiolas]] 20:48, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== fr.battlestarwiki ==

Saw the note on fr-bsgwiki mainpage; I've been working on translating the English main page for a little bit. [http://fr.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/RasputinAXP] I speak French pretty well, so if you need help I'll be more than willing to lend a hand. I'm not sure about promotion, though...and also is there a way we can make the images work on the French side too? Thanks. [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 18:03, 21 February 2007 (CST)
:Check your french talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:30, 21 February 2007 (CST)
::There's nothing there! ;) [[User:RasputinAXP|RasputinAXP]] 00:32, 22 February 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah [[:fr:Discussion Utilisateur:RasputinAXP|there is]] :D As for images just use them normally as you would here <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg]]</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:30, 22 February 2007 (CST)

== Star data multinational ==

I was going to ask you to incorporate my nationality2 parameter into {{tl|Star Data}}, but I see you've already deleted and reverted my work. You told me to contact you, so here you are. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:54, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:Yeah. Check the [[Template:Star Data]] talk page. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:59, 24 February 2007 (CST)
::The parameter list mentions '''nationmore''', but it's not in the template itself (yet). Also, maybe we should discuss whether we actually want dual nationalities in the first place. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:03, 24 February 2007 (CST)
:::I just added the documentation. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:05, 24 February 2007 (CST)

==Interview==
I was going to put this up on the main page, but I can't edit it. [http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-story-marymcdonnellbattlestargalactica,0,638786.story?coll=zap-tv-mainheadline Interview] It's an interview with Mary McDonnell about her character, the season 3 finale, and the Roslin/Adama relationship. {{unsigned|RMelon}}
:You can goto [[BW:NEWS]] and update it there. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Seelix ==

*As an administrator could you please move the "Seelix" article to "Diana Seelix". -- [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] 00:01, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:No problem. [[BW:MOVE]] to get move permissions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 26 February 2007 (CST)

==Blog==
I know you're trying to fix it and stuff but can you please stop changing the permalink settings on the blog until you actually fix it. Otherwise you break it so that nobody can read or post anything. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:47, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Response to your removal of this question ==

Has the respect and admiration for Admiral Adama been decreasing ever since his speech in "Unfinished Business"?

I put this down mainly because of his speech in Unfinished Business and In the Day of the Life. The latter episode had in a moment when his late wife told him that he had gotten better at ignoring the hushes and the stares as he walks down the corridors. This seemed totally in contrast to the admiration that was very apparent at the beginning of the series and the loyalty that many of the officers displayed towards him. The new episode Dirty Job seems to reveal that there has been some dissolving of his admiration by the crew. Anyhows, those were my arguements for that question and did not consider it fan wanking. If that question could be considered that, than many other questions after "Unfinished Business" should be removed as they keep on noting how Adama seems to have gone back on his speech. --[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 10:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== Population comparison in Episode Data template ==

I saw you messing around in your [[User:Shane/Testing Area 2|testing area]] and noticed your template throws an error when ''oldpopulation'' is undefined or empty. I took the liberty to make a fix for this, and I set up a demonstration thingy for FotP through Resurrection Ship II (conveniently, they include all four possible cases: no previous count, increase, decrease and no change). I put it up [[User:Catrope/Testing Template|here]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 04:58, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:I setup a var in the [[Template:Population compare]] itself. No need for your fix. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Database Dump ==

I want to start playing with tag clouds again so is it possible to get hold of a database dump of the Wiki? It doesn't have to be really up to date or anything I'm just finding it difficult to get lots of pages and categories created on my test wiki to simulate how it would look "live". --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:34, 1 March 2007 (CST)
:Would you like that extra crispy (EN) or fried (DE)? [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:11, 1 March 2007 (CST)

== Template help ==

Please look at the template [[hb:Template:Improvedundelete]]. It's supposed to go on a subpage, and link back to its "parent" page. I'm relying on a user-supplied parameter for that link right now, but do you know how to make an automatic link to the parent page? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 16:09, 7 March 2007 (CST)
:Will take a look at it once I get back from work. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:57, 7 March 2007 (CST)

== Where should radio interview link go? ==

I noticed you removed a link I had placed to a radio interview with Sackhoff about Maelstrom, but left no note why you were removing it. Can I ask where links to things like radio interviews and information from them should go?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:30, 9 March 2007 (CST)
:I removed it because it was spoilerific. You can place it in the [[BW:NEWS]] and say that there are spoilers. Also you don't need the quote. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:27, 9 March 2007 (CST)

==Wikisoft*==
Is perm blocking a good solution. It seem this user just needs some help on working out how to use mediawiki before we go blocking. I dont think there is a malicious intent going on and we dont really want to kick out the only ppl that could contibute to the other language wikis. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:52, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

== Mail Server Issues ==

Hey, Shane. I can't access my bsg mail. I keep getting an error in mail, that access is denied from port 110. Nothing else had changed in my mail settings. Is there anything I can do from here, or is this a server matter? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:40, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:The whole pop3 server crashed. I have tried to restore it, not success so far. I wasn't going to worry about it cause of the you-know-maintenance thing we are doing after Season 3 ends cause i'll have to re -do it anyway. I'm on gtalk. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:45, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers and episode titles ==

The production numbers listed for each of the third season episode is 100% wrong.

What is listed is a sequence number, not a production number. Here are the production numbers:

39. 3- 1 03001 (T2701) 6 Oct 06 Occupation
40. 3- 2 03002 (T2702) 6 Oct 06 Precipice
41. 3- 3 03003A (T2703A) 13 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 1
42. 3- 4 03003B (T2703B) 20 Oct 06 Exodus, Pt 2
43. 3- 5 03004 (T2704) 27 Oct 06 Collaborators
44. 3- 6 03005 (T2705) 3 Nov 06 Torn
45. 3- 7 03006 (T2706) 10 Nov 06 A Measure of Salvation
46. 3- 8 03007 (T2707) 17 Nov 06 Hero
47. 3- 9 03008 (T2708) 1 Dec 06 Unfinished Business
48. 3-10 03009 (T2709) 8 Dec 06 The Passage
49. 3-11 03010 (T2710) 15 Dec 06 The Eye of Jupiter
50. 3-12 03011 (T2711) 21 Jan 07 Rapture
51. 3-13 03012 (T2712) 28 Jan 07 Taking a Break from All Your Worries
52. 3-14 03013 (T2713) 11 Feb 07 The Woman King
53. 3-15 03014 (T2714) 18 Feb 07 A Day in the Life
54. 3-16 03015 (T2715) 25 Feb 07 Dirty Hands
55. 3-17 03016 (T2716) 4 Mar 07 Maelstrom
56. 3-18 03017 (T2717) 11 Mar 07 The Son Also Rises
57. 3-19 03018 (T2718) 18 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 1
58. 3-20 03019 (T2719) 25 Mar 07 Crossroads, Part 2

Until today's episode, I couldn't be sure about the T27nn numbers. Those appear to be a different control number, which might be related to the Comcast versions.

The 301 → 319 numbers are listed as "episode" numbers on the tape slate. The 030nn numbers are the "production" numbers.

The other mistake is related to the episode titles. You are using "I" and "II" for the two-part episodes. The correct titles, for accuracy, are shown above. Those are the titles as given on the master tapes. {{unsigned|Vidiot}}

:The writers, especially RDM, generally refer to "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode, thus shortening the season to 19 episodes. But pretty much everyone else counts them as two episodes. Whether that split is there in "Exodus", doesn't really matter IMO. We are also under no obligation to follow supposedly official naming conventions with something as trivial as numbers. Personally I think roman numerals looks better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

::Maybe I am under a very misquided impression, but it is my understanding that Wiki's are supposed to be a source of '''accurate facts'''. Incorrect episode numbering and titles does not fit the definition of accurate facts.

::As for RDM and the writers considering the first two titles as one episode; that will have to be worked out between them and NBC/Universal, which assigns the official production numbers. As to why ''Exodus'' was given a single production number (with A and B suffexes) and ''Crossroads'' two unique production numbers is unknown. You'll have to take that up with, yep, NBC/Universal. I can only report as to what I know as the facts, only the facts.

::To you, the I and II might look better, but to NBC/Universal and/or RDM and/or the writers, the 1 and 2 was preferred.

::I would hope that the owners of this Wiki would also want to provide the facts and only the facts. [[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 14:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

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Crossroads, Part II

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{{Episode Data
| title= Crossroads, Part II
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| season= 3
| episode= 20
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
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| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 320
| rating=
| US airdate= 2007-03-25
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= ?
| extra= '''Season Finale - 50 Minute Episode'''
| prev= [[Crossroads, Part I]]
| next= '''TBA'''
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== Overview ==
:''As Gaeta testifies against Baltar about the execution list that the accused signed on New Caprica, Roslin finds a disturbing link between her dreams and the [[Opera House]] on Kobol. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=191395&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=6434876?tag=ep_list;title;19|title=Crossroads, Part II }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] discusses the finale:''
: It is a different finale in the sense that the previous ones have been about fragmenting the characters and spreading them all over different parts of space, and this one, everyone is really on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Every major character is on ''Galactica'', and the stuff going on down on ''Galactica'' is where the drama is.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7BAC4FC1D4-115F-457C-8E4A-01A539D77D39%7D|title=''Galactica'''s Jamie Bamber Visits a Heavenly ''Ghost''|date=2007-02-23|accessdate=2007-02-23|last=Cohn|first=Angel|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''SciFi.com Forums Admin discusses the running time:''
: The Sunday, March 25, season finale of ''Battlestar Galactica'' will run five minutes longer than usual. If you plan on recording the episode, set your DVR or VCR to continue for five to 10 minutes after the end of the hour so you do not miss anything.<ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2266869|title=BSG Season Finale on March 25 will run 5 minutes overtime|publisher=|page=|date=2007-03-07|accessdate=2007-03-08|language=English}}</ref>

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*Lily Duong-Walton as [[Hera Agathon]]
*[[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Starbuck]]

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

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:''This article involves the survivor count of the refugees in the [[Re-imagined Series]].''

The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii|"Boomer" Valerii]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.

*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civilians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction|faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the ''[[Daru Mozu]]''. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civilians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also states that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength (this can't be taken literally).
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,600 people, and ''Pegasus'' by about 1,700. At half-strength, this puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,200.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population at roughly 43,400 (39,192 + 2000 + 2200)
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by about 6150 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.
:''For a confirmation of these estimates with more accurate numbers see the "[[Crossroads, Part I]]" section''

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - Eighteen deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[The Woman King]]'''
**41,401 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[A Day in the Life]]'''
**41,398 - Deaths of [[Willie King]] and two other Sagittarons; possible more if offset by births.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Two births.

*'''[[Maelstrom]]'''
**41,400 - No net change.

*'''[[The Son Also Rises]]'''
**41,399 - Death of [[Kara Thrace]] in the prior episode, and [[Alan Hughes]] at the end of this episode's teaser. Hughes is either not counted or offset by a birth.

*'''[[Crossroads, Part I]]'''
**Unknown, as there is no intro for this episode.
**The following numbers are given during Baltar's trial by [[Cassidy]]: 44,035 - the number who settled on New Caprica; 38,838 - the number the day after the escape. However the number of escapees can only refer to the ''civilian'' population of the Fleet, and despite talking specifically about the people who settled on New Caprica, this number includes the ''total'' population, including those in orbit.
**This contradictory wording is a writing error, but interpreting them slightly differently confirms the estimates from "[[Precipice]]":
***41,435 (Collaborators) - 38,838 = 2,597 (the military personnel in the Fleet)
***44,035 - 39,192 (the inhabitants of [[New Caprica City]]) = 4,835 (the total population left in orbit)
***4,835 - 2,597 = 2,238 (in "Precipice" Lee Adama refers to roughly 2,000 civilians who escaped New Caprica)
***49,550 (count in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") - 39,192 - 4,835 = 5,523 (the death toll prior to the occupation, mostly incurred with the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'')
***49,550 - 5,523 - 41,435 = 2,592 (the causalities of the Cylon occupation and the [[Battle of New Caprica|escape from New Caprica]])

*'''[[Crossroads, Part II]]'''
**Unknown, as there is no intro for this episode.

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the [[Number Six]] copy, [[Gina]], is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]", however with only skeleton crews aboard.
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the Fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the Fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the Fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin's]] whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the presidential whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

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[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

2007-03-18T19:02:33Z

Vidiot: /* Alan's death was during the teaser, the last thing to happen before the opening credits. */

The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' Boomer]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in KLG pt. I, since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.
*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civillians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|Redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the [[Daru Mozu]]. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civillians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also tells us that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength.
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445. This puts the maximum number of military personnel at about 2,627.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,660 people, and ''Pegasus'' by 1,743. This puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,202.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population between 43,394 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,202) and 43,819 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,627).
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by between 5,731 and 6,156 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - 18 deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[The Woman King]]'''
**41,401 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[A Day in the Life]]'''
**41,398 - Deaths of [[Willie King]] and two other Sagittarons; possible more if offset by births.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Two births.

*'''[[Maelstrom]]'''
**41,400 - no net change.

*'''[[The Son Also Rises]]'''
**41,399 - Deaths of Starbuck in the prior episode and [[Alan Hughes]] at the end of the teaser. Hughes is either not counted yet or offset by a birth.

*'''[[Crossroads, Part 1]]'''
**Not given. The following numbers were given: 44,035 - the number who settled on New Caprica; 38,838 - the number the day after the escape.

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the [[Number Six]] instance known as [[Gina]] is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]", however with only skeleton crews aboard.
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from the whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

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[[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

2007-03-18T18:56:27Z

Vidiot: /* No opening title sequence this week, The reason why these numbers were given will be updated after the episode airs on Sci-Fi. */

The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' Boomer]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in KLG pt. I, since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.
*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civillians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|Redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the [[Daru Mozu]]. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civillians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also tells us that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength.
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445. This puts the maximum number of military personnel at about 2,627.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,660 people, and ''Pegasus'' by 1,743. This puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,202.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population between 43,394 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,202) and 43,819 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,627).
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by between 5,731 and 6,156 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - 18 deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[The Woman King]]'''
**41,401 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[A Day in the Life]]'''
**41,398 - Deaths of [[Willie King]] and two other Sagittarons; possible more if offset by births.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Two births.

*'''[[Maelstrom]]'''
**41,400 - no net change.

*'''[[The Son Also Rises]]'''
**41,399 - Deaths of Starbuck in the prior episode and [[Alan Hughes]] before the teaser. Hughes is either not counted yet or offset by a birth.

*'''[[Crossroads, Part 1]]'''
**Not given. The following numbers were given: 44,035 - the number who settled on New Caprica; 38,838 - the number the day after the escape.

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the [[Number Six]] instance known as [[Gina]] is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]", however with only skeleton crews aboard.
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from the whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

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[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

2007-03-18T17:59:39Z

Vidiot: /* Finally got a chance to watch the episode. Attorney's death was right before the survivor count.*/

The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' Boomer]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in KLG pt. I, since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.
*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civillians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|Redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the [[Daru Mozu]]. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civillians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also tells us that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength.
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445. This puts the maximum number of military personnel at about 2,627.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,660 people, and ''Pegasus'' by 1,743. This puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,202.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population between 43,394 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,202) and 43,819 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,627).
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by between 5,731 and 6,156 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - 18 deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[The Woman King]]'''
**41,401 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[A Day in the Life]]'''
**41,398 - Deaths of [[Willie King]] and two other Sagittarons; possible more if offset by births.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Two births.

*'''[[Maelstrom]]'''
**41,400 - no net change.

*'''[[The Son Also Rises]]'''
**41,399 - Starbuck & Baltar attorney deaths. Offset by a birth?

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the [[Number Six]] instance known as [[Gina]] is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]", however with only skeleton crews aboard.
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from the whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

2007-03-11T15:53:45Z

Vidiot: /* Added count for latest episode */

The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' Boomer]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in KLG pt. I, since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.
*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civillians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|Redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the [[Daru Mozu]]. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civillians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also tells us that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength.
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445. This puts the maximum number of military personnel at about 2,627.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,660 people, and ''Pegasus'' by 1,743. This puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,202.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population between 43,394 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,202) and 43,819 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,627).
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by between 5,731 and 6,156 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - 18 deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[The Woman King]]'''
**41,401 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[A Day in the Life]]'''
**41,398 - Deaths of [[Willie King]] and two other Sagittarons; possible more if offset by births.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Two births.

*'''[[Maelstrom]]'''
**41,400 - no net change.

*'''[[The Son Also Rises]]'''
**41,399 - Starbuck's death.

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the [[Number Six]] instance known as [[Gina]] is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]", however with only skeleton crews aboard.
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from the whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

2007-03-04T21:23:11Z

Vidiot: /* I do indeed know already, which is why I added it to the wiki. */

The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' Boomer]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in KLG pt. I, since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.
*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civillians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|Redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the [[Daru Mozu]]. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civillians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also tells us that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength.
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445. This puts the maximum number of military personnel at about 2,627.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,660 people, and ''Pegasus'' by 1,743. This puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,202.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population between 43,394 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,202) and 43,819 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,627).
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by between 5,731 and 6,156 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - 18 deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[The Woman King]]'''
**41,401 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[A Day in the Life]]'''
**41,398 - Deaths of [[Willie King]] and two other Sagittarons; possible more if offset by births.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Two births.

*'''[[Maelstrom]]'''
**41,400 - no net change.

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the Model Six Cylon known as Gina in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' was destroyed in "[[33]]".
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]", however with only skeleton crews aboard.
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from the whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

2007-03-04T17:35:39Z

Vidiot: /* Data */

The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' Boomer]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in KLG pt. I, since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.
*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civillians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|Redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the [[Daru Mozu]]. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civillians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also tells us that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength.
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445. This puts the maximum number of military personnel at about 2,627.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,660 people, and ''Pegasus'' by 1,743. This puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,202.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population between 43,394 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,202) and 43,819 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,627).
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by between 5,731 and 6,156 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - 18 deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[The Woman King]]'''
**41,401 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[A Day in the Life]]'''
**41,398 - Deaths of [[Willie King]] and two other Sagittarons; possible more if offset by births.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Two births.

*'''[[Maelstrom]]'''
**41,400 - [tbd]

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the Model Six Cylon known as Gina in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' was destroyed in "[[33]]".
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]", however with only skeleton crews aboard.
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from the whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Survivor count

2007-02-25T20:19:51Z

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The number of surviving Colonial citizens and military in the fleet was provided at intervals throughout the first season on a whiteboard on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and in one instance spoken aloud in dialogue. In the second season, this number appears in the opening credits of every episode (sometimes jokingly referred to as the "Countdown to Extinction"), and displays limited omniscience, updating itself to reflect the deaths on [[Kobol]] early in that season. This page collects the figures available thus far, cross-referenced with date information from [[Re-Imagined Series Timeline]].

==Graph==
[[Image:Survivors.png]]
:''All dates past Day 51 are estimates.''

==Data==

'''Day 6'''
*'''[[33]]'''
**50,298 - initial estimate.
**49,998 - after revising count downward by 300.
**49,317 - after second revision downward (cut scene, DVD)
**47,972 - after destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''.
**47,973 - one birth on the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]''.

'''Day 10'''
*'''[[Water]]'''
**47,958

'''Day 15'''
*'''[[You Can't Go Home Again]]'''
**47,958 - has not been updated to reflect the deaths of 13 pilots in "[[Act of Contrition]]"

'''Day 25'''
*'''[[Flesh and Bone]]'''
**47,954 - after deaths of a marine and three crew in "[[Litmus]]", discovery of [[Ellen Tigh]] one week prior to "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and the disappearance of [[Shelly Godfrey]] in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]". [[Aaron Doral#Scorpia Traveler copy|Aaron Doral (Scorpia Traveler copy)]] was apparently not included among the fleet's population. The events of "Act of Contrition" have (still) not been accounted for.

'''Day 28'''
*'''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'''
**47,905 - given by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], possibly excluding himself and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Unusually large reduction for a 3-day period.

'''Day 48'''
*'''[[Colonial Day]]'''
**47,898 - immediately after [[Valance]]'s death. Includes four viper pilots killed in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]".

'''Day 50'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]'''
**47,897

'''Day 51'''
*'''[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]'''
**47,887 - ten-person crew of [[Raptor 3]].
*'''[[Scattered]]'''
**47,875 - [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' Boomer]] was probably removed after her assassination attempt. Probably includes the death of [[Karma]] in KLG pt. I, since the on-screen total appears to include deaths on Kobol.
*'''[[Valley of Darkness]]'''
**47,874 - [[Tarn]]
*'''[[Fragged]]'''
**47,862 - [[Flyboy]], [[Socinus]], others in Cylon boarding action.

'''Day 54 (est.)'''
*'''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'''
**47,861 - [[Crashdown]]

'''Day 60 (est.)'''
*'''[[The Farm]]'''
** 47,857 - Four civillians onboard the ''[[Gideon]]''.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Home, Part I]]'''
** 47,858 - Return of [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], who was presumed dead. Caprica Valerii is not included in the count.
*'''[[Home, Part II]]'''
** 47,855 - Death of [[Elosha]] and a [[Laura Roslin faction]] [[Wikipedia: Redshirt (character)|Redshirt]].
*'''[[Final Cut]]'''
** 47,853 - Death of [[Meier]] and unnamed Tom Zarek henchman in "Home, Part II".

'''Day 86 (est.)
*'''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]'''
** 47,853 - No change since "Final Cut".

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]'''
**49,605 - After the return of the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a dramatic increase of 1,752 over the previous count. The change is shown in the opening credits of [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], since the ship appeared in the "teaser" before the opening credits.
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]'''
**49,604 - Death of [[Alastair Thorne]].
*'''[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]'''
**49,604 - No change since "Resurrection Ship, Part I".

'''Day 189'''
*'''[[Epiphanies]]'''
** 49,598 - Deaths of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and an unnamed marine guard on ''Pegasus''. The remaining casualty count of four is conspicuously low given the scope of the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|battle]] depicted in the previous episode.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[Black Market]]'''
**49,597 - The death of a suicide bomber on the [[Daru Mozu]]. Based on dialogue, the attack took the lives of the bomber and at least two civillians. This may have been offset by births in between the two episodes. The death of Commander [[Jack Fisk]] was shown in the teaser of [[Black Market]], and should be counted in the opening credits.
*'''[[Scar]]'''
**49,593 - Deaths of Commander [[Jack Fisk]], Fisk's assasin, [[Phelan]], and one other person, presumably [[Beano]]. It is unclear where the death of Beano, the first of four pilots killed by Scar is counted. Since much of the episode, including the deaths of the four pilots killed by Scar, is shown in flashback.

*'''[[Sacrifice]]'''
**49,590 - Deaths of three pilots killed by Scar: [[Reilly]], [[Brent Baxton|Brent "BB" Baxton]], and [[Joseph Clark|Joseph "Jo-Jo" Clark]].

'''c. Day 210'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,584 - Deaths of [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]], [[Chu]], and two unnamed marines, and [[Billy Keikeya]]. Sesha Abinell's husband Ray was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode, but it does not appear to have been counted. It may have been offset by a birth.

'''c. Day 240'''
*'''[[The Captain's Hand]]'''
**49,579 - Deaths of [[Richard Bayer|Buster]], [[Lyla|Shark]], the two-man crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]] (seen near the end on the white board).

'''c. Day 270'''
*'''[[Downloaded]]'''
**49,579 - confirms closing count from "The Captain's Hand".
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]'''
**49,579 - No change since "[[Downloaded]]". It is unclear how the birth of [[Hera]] is counted. Her birth appears to be offset by the death of [[Maya]]'s child. Maya's child seems to be the one seen in the incubator, and whose ashes are spread out of a Raptor by Helo and Tyrol.
'''c. Day 280'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**49,550 - [[Raptor 612]] jumped into a mountain on Caprica. This could account for four people: A pilot, an ECO, and two marines.

'''During the Settlement of New Caprica (from c. Day 280 to c. Day 660)'''
*'''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'''
**After the "One Year Later" time jump later in the episode, the population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. This includes separated military personnel, but does not include military and civilians in the small fleet orbiting the planet.
*'''[[Precipice]]'''
**According to Lee Adama, about 2,000 civilians escaped with the ships in orbit of New Caprica.
**Adama also tells us that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are at half strength.
***A careful [[crew tally]] establishes that, at full strength, ''Galactica'' is crewed by about 2,808 people and ''Pegasus'' by about 2,445. This puts the maximum number of military personnel at about 2,627.
***The same tally indicates that immediately prior to the one-year jump, ''Galactica'' was crewed by about 2,660 people, and ''Pegasus'' by 1,743. This puts the minimum number of military personnel at about 2,202.
**This puts our estimate of the total human population between 43,394 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,202) and 43,819 (39,192 + 2,000 + 2,627).
**Subtracting from the figure of 49,550 given in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II", this means that the total population fell by between 5,731 and 6,156 people during the one-year gap. The majority of these deaths probably happened as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and the surrounding vessels.

'''During the Occupation of New Caprica (from c. Day 660 to c. Day 798)'''
*An unknown number of people died in the insurgency and Cylon retaliation. However this must be offset by additional births during this four month time span. Accurately tracking the population numbers is impossible at this point, but known casualty figures are given below:
*'''c. Day 729'''
**'''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''' - 10 people are killed at the temple, including [[Nora]].
*'''c. Day 794'''
**'''[[Occupation]]''' - [[Tucker Clellan]] bombs the [[New Caprica Police]] graduation ceremony, killing 33 humans.
*'''c. Day 796'''
**'''[[Precipice]]''' - suicide bombing at the power substation kills 4 humans.
*'''c. Day 798'''
**'''[[Exodus, Part II]]''' - numerous casualties during the evacuation of New Caprica, including [[Maya]].

'''c. Day 800'''
*'''[[Collaborators]]'''
**41,435 - Fleet population as of the third day of the Second Exodus. Given the above numbers, the death toll of the resistance and the [[Battle of New Caprica]] is about 2000 people. Given the total given in the next episode, this figure doesn't seem to reflect the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]] between this episode and the last.
**Several hundred children might have been born on New Caprica. Since they are also included in the count, the Fleet has lost more older and able-bodied people than apparent.

'''c. Day 830'''
*'''[[Torn]]'''
**41,422 - Figure now reflects the 13 collaborators executed by the [[Circle]]. No deaths occur in this episode.

'''c. Day 831'''
*'''[[A Measure of Salvation]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

'''c. Day 935'''
*'''[[Hero]]'''
**41,421 - [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] escapes from Cylon custody and joins the population of the fleet.

'''c. Day 950'''
*'''[[Unfinished Business]]'''
**41,422 - One birth.

'''Dates Unknown'''
*'''[[The Passage]]'''
**41,420 - Two unseen deaths.

*'''[[The Eye of Jupiter]]'''
**41,402 - 18 deaths from radiation exposure, including the skeleton crews of the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and the ''[[Carina]]''. This also includes [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne Katraine]].

*'''[[Rapture]]'''
**41,401 - One unseen death.

*'''[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]'''
**41,403 - Deaths of [[Hillard]] and [[Omar Fischer]]. [[Hera Agathon]], [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] join the Fleet's population, in addition to one possible birth.

*'''[[Dirty Hands]]'''
**41,400 - Reason for decrease unknown.

==Analysis==
*The detonation of a nuclear warhead on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' by the Model Six Cylon known as Gina in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" is the first time a ship has been destroyed since the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' was destroyed in "[[33]]".
*The ships ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]'' are also destroyed in "[[The Passage]]".
*Since the end of "[[33]]", the fleet's population has been dying off at a fairly steady rate of approximately 2.1 persons per day. At this rate, the fleet will be completely depopulated in 62 years. If the show's failure to supply concrete dates continues during the remainder of the second season, perhaps the "[[Wikipedia:Half-life|half-life]]" of the fleet's population can be used to "[[Wikipedia: Radiocarbon dating|carbon date]]" future episodes.
*First season survivor counts are available from the whiteboard aboard ''[[Colonial One]]''. Second season survivor counts are included in the opening titles, as well as the whiteboard.
*In "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (roughly in the region of Day 250-60), Dr. Baltar estimated that (factoring in the arrival of ''Pegasus''), given the survivor count's current rate of decline, never increasing, the human race will simply go extinct in 18 years. If this refers only to excess mortality, it would mean an average rate of roughly 7.5 people a day. It may be that Baltar's estimate considered more factors, such as labor shortages resulting in famine, which would complicate this model, resulting in the death rate exponentially increasing over time.
*The loss of 8,115 people between "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" and "[[Collaborators]]" is the highest net loss from one opening title count to another.

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