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Talk:Stealthstar/Archive 1

2013-03-06T22:03:03Z

VARGR: /* New picture of ship */

== FTL Drive? ==
How are we so certain that this recon craft had a FTL drive? If I recall, such a topic wasn't mentioned, and we didn't see it in use. Judging from discourse, it would seem that the stealth craft was berthed aboard ''Valkyrie'' and was launched to the theatre from there. I'm not against it having one, but I would advocate to classifying this to "Undetermined" until someone at the "Head Office" states otherwise. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 12:01, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:I agree, it was my fault i copied and pasted the template from another ship and forgot to take that line out. I will do it now. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 19:46, 18 November 2006 (CST)
==stealth ships==
The Blackbird and prototype Colonial stealthstar craft may constructed by Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including Columbia, Atlantia, and Pegasus (Resistance). He has served under William Adama on Galactica for five years.he know someting about second prototype stealthstar.Why did the Cylons have one craft jump in and fire on the stealth star and then jump out, then sending two more ships to finish the attack? first attack is real cylon or another stealth craft order to provoke a war.-- [[User:mustah|mustah]]

:Intereesting speculation Mustah, but episode information indicates that Tyrol was trying only to make a Viper replacement. Because of material limitations, they had to use different engines (which changed the vehicle from a true fighter to a recon craft) and used carbon composites and not precious metal (which gave it the stealth abilities). It was Helo who thought of the use of composites. We have no official information that Tyrol knew of (or could conceive of building anything resembling) the Stealth Star. The Cylons did what they did to minimize intelligence on their fighters as they planned for war, and reinforces the fact that the Colonials have not ''seen'' any Cylons for 40 years, not even a glimpse, until the miniseries.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:37, 1 December 2006 (CST)

== Naming ==

I refer you to our discussion at Wikipedia ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_miscellaneous_ships_in_Battlestar_Galactica_%282004%29#Stealth Star or Stealthstar]) - What should it be named here? [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 12:24, 1 December 2006 (CST)

:We've a redirect for "Stealthstar," but the source would be good to know. I suspect we used the captioning for this spelling. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:29, 1 December 2006 (CST)
:As I recall, when I named the page, I merely made it so that the words were separate. To be honest, the only on-screen evidence we have is on the dradis display with the abbrieviated form (S-Star). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:53, 1 December 2006 (CST)
:Adendum: Having read over the Wikipedia talk page, it occurs to me that there is an assumption that just because basestar and battlestar are not separated by spaces logically means that the stealth star must follow. While this might make superficial sense, my issue with the spelling has more to do with how the abbreviation was read on the dradis readout. (And, technically, we should probably name the article "Stealth-Star".) However, let's pose the question to [[BW:OC]] and see what the response is on it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 13:16, 1 December 2006 (CST)
::for all we know the monitors can't render two SS' hehe, anyway would be nice to get it clarified by the Bradley guy.. :-) [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 13:20, 1 December 2006 (CST)

== Concept? ==
Perhaps just my own paradolea talking, but does it not appear that the Stealthstar bears a stricking resemblance to the early concept drawing[[http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Markvii-pa.jpg]] of the MK VII Viper? If so, should this be mentioned?--[[User:TyliumAnalyst|TyliumAnalyst]] 03:47, 14 August 2007 (CDT)
:Maybe. But as you can see from the screenshot we have, a clear, full view of the fighter was hard to glean in the episode. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:30, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

==New picture of ship==
In this recently released article about the Viper III in the first large picture you can see the Stealthstar in the background. Its the clearest picture of the ship so far so it could be used in this article. [http://sci-fi-museum-pierre-drolet-com.webs.com/viper-mark-ii-and-iib] [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 15:19, 6 March 2013 (EST)

* Since this is a copyrighted image, we may have to ask permission first before using the images off his site.

[[User:Frylock86|Frylock]] 15:45, 6 March 2013 (EST)

Thats fair enough. Just realised there is an actual article on that website for the Stealthstar. Lots of detailed pictures of it here [http://sci-fi-museum-pierre-drolet-com.webs.com/stealthstar] [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 17:03, 6 March 2013 (EST)

Talk:Stealthstar/Archive 1

2013-03-06T20:19:56Z

VARGR:

Talk:Viper Mark III/Archive 1

2013-03-06T20:17:06Z

VARGR:

==Proof These are MKIII's===

I've been searching for sources that say the vipers of B&C are infact MKIII's, but I can find none. I do know, however, that Adama has to fly a Viper MKII at some point in time during the war, and that he is shown doing so in the Razor flashbacks, during Operation Razor Talon. This occurs after the events of B&C. I strongly believe that the facts indicate the vipers of B&C are MKI's, not MKIII's as everyone seems to assume. [[User:Kodiakus|Kodiakus]] 14:58, 7 December 2012 (EST)

: Watch the scene where Ozar ([[Osiris]]' commander) instructs her officers to requisition the "new Mark IIIs" to aid Kelly's mission (she's climbing down a latter after Coker, Adama, and Kelly first arrive). Also, Doug Drexler (CG Supervisor for the show) made the point of saying that there were Mark IIIs and Mark IIs throughout the fleet at this point. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:03, 7 December 2012 (EST)
:Yea they are deffinately Mark IIIs. Its very common in wartime for older models to be still fully in service when new models are already being produced. If there is a Mark I in this series its similar in design to the TOS viper and thats just since the TOS is briefly seen in the museum during the miniseries in one shot. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 09:08, 8 December 2012 (EST)

==Size==
Those numbers seem big! Surely you can't just read them off the scale off the graph as that's for the "ground" level, while in the top down view the Vipers we see are several meters up, and so closer to the viewer, so perspective would inflate the apparent size. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 17:35, 14 November 2012 (EST)

:I thought the same thing, but that's the math. The top-down view is an orthographic projection taken directly from Lightwave, so there isn't any perspective distortion make the Vipers look bigger than the floor (the bottom Viper has another one below and slightly ahead of it. You can see the nose and forward wingtips peaking out, and they're exactly the same size as the one above it, proving there's no perspective). I also scaled a Mark II orthographic publicity render to it for comparison, and the cockpits are the same size (and from the shots in B&C, the III seems to be using the same physical cockpit set as the II did). [[http://www.gian-cursio.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Viper237.jpg See for yourself.]] -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 18:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)

::That is a HUGE Viper! Why would that make it so big? I mean, I know Vipers are pretty damn small compaired to modern aircraft but.. would that even still fit in an unmodified launch tube? [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 04:37, 16 November 2012 (EST)

:::Shall we add the length and wingspan back in, then? -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 17:57, 27 November 2012 (EST)

==update picture==

This page should update it's main picture as in episode 5 of Blood and Chrome there are much clearer shots of the Viper IIIs that show the whole Viper without obstruction. Tried adding this myself, but unfortunally was not able to include pictures on this Wiki. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 14:33, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Heres a couple of pictures I took of it you can use. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III.png http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III2.png

::Tried myself. Didn't work. I don't think it like the dashes (-) you have in the file names. - [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

Well if you're able to upload pictures yourself just take one of these and save it onto your computer then upload to the wiki and hopefully that will work. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 19:32, 26 November 2012 (EST)

: Looks like these were already uploaded by Frylock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 01:04, 27 November 2012 (EST)

== Orthographic images ==

This popped up via Doug Drexler if anyone wants to make an edited version:

[http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Blood-Chrome-Viper-Mark-3.jpg]

[[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 18:56, 30 January 2013 (EST)

Yea the perspective view of the MK III would be perfect for a main picture for this page. The current pics from onscreen aren't nearly as clear as this. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 17:12, 1 February 2013 (EST)
*Done and done. How does it look? --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:44, 2 February 2013 (EST)
**Looks great.

Some new images of the Viper III model have been shown. One of these might suit for the main picture better.
[http://sci-fi-museum-pierre-drolet-com.webs.com/viper-mark-ii-and-iib] [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 15:17, 6 March 2013 (EST)

Raider (RDM)

2013-02-10T00:46:20Z

VARGR: /* Notes */

:''This article is about the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] Raider fighter craft. For other versions, see [[Cylon Raider]].''

The '''Raider''' is the primary air/space superiority fighter used by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] against the peoples of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. There have been at least two designs used since the outbreak of hostilities between the two powers.

==Cylon War-era Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Cylon War-era Raider
| image= Raider Trio.png
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Up to 3 [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Space superiority fighter, dropship
| weapons= 2 triple barrel rotary guns, missiles
| length=
| height=
| wingspan=
}}
During the [[Cylon War]], raiders resembled a big "flying wing", and carried a crew of at least three [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] piloting under the command of a specifically designated model. They are a mainstay in the Cylon arsenal of the time ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]", "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

Deployed en masse by the [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]], Raiders are used to great effect against [[Colonial Fleet|Colonial]] [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]] and are nearly a match in maneuverability against their Colonial counterparts, the [[Viper Mark II]] and [[Viper Mark III|Mark III]]. They are also used as drop-ships for deploying ground forces (as seen in the [[Battle of Tauron]]) and are capable of vertical take-offs and landings, much like the Colonial [[Raptor]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

In the tenth year of the Cylon War, [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilots train for combat using [[holoband]]s to simulate battles between the Viper Mark IIIs and Cylon Raiders (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

During the last days of the Cylon War, Raiders destroy the battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' in tandem with basestar missile salvos during [[Operation Raptor Talon]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

Some forty years later, some Cylon War-era Raiders are still in active service. A contingent of Raiders is present aboard a lone Cylon War-era [[Guardian basestar|basestar]] which houses the [[First Hybrid]]. When the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' inadvertently discovers this "Guardian basestar", a squadron of Raiders engages with the battlestar as well as its defending force of [[Viper Mark VII]]s ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). A small number of original Raiders also appears at the [[The Colony|Cylon Colony]], shortly before its destruction by the ''Galactica'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]", "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

<div style="clear: both;"></div>

==Modern Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Modern Raider
| image= Kg_cg_ns_advanced-raider-002.jpg
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= None (biomechanical being)
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons= 2 [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s, conventional/nuclear missiles.
| length= 29.3 feet (8.94 meters)
| height= 4.97 feet (1.52 meters)
| wingspan= 18.3 feet (5.59 meters)
}}
The modern Raider, called '''sparrow''' in Colonial military jargon ([[TRS]]: "[[Maelstrom]]"), radically redesigned but still resembling its past incarnation as a giant flying wing, is first encountered 40 years after the [[Cylon War]], when the Cylons launch their devastating [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|surprise attack]] on the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. During this attack, Raiders transmit commands to Colonial vessels utilizing the Command Navigation Program ([[CNP]]). Compromised prior to the attack, the CNP was programmed with backdoors that permitted the Cylons to cut the power of any ship carrying the program ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]]).

This incarnation of the Raider is initially thought to be wholly mechanical in design, with a high-level AI controlling it. However, from inspection of a damaged Raider forced down in a firefight and recovered by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Act of Contrition]]"), the craft is found to be bio-mechanical in nature ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"), incorporating a number of large organs in its design, including a central brain. Raiders require an oxygen-nitrogen mix for their biological functions, and thus oxygen tanks are located somewhere onboard ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"). In effect, a modern Raider is a creature in itself.

Though Raiders are self-aware, their intelligence level is less than that of a [[humanoid Cylon]] and more like a trained animal ([[TRS]]: "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"). Nonetheless, they are capable of independent thought and action, and can refuse to follow orders if they choose ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]"). Much like the humanoids, the bio-mechanical Raider's consciousness [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrects]] in a new "body" if it is destroyed. While this allows the Raider to "learn" from its previous mistakes and become a more proficient killing machine, it can cause Raiders to develop what can be described as a desire for revenge after repeated deaths ([[TRS]]: "[[Scar]]"). ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Viper pilots are regularly outnumbered and survive, indicating that Cylon Raiders are generally not matches for skilled human pilots.

The Raider is equipped with an [[FTL]] drive system ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]"). Following tests on the Raider captured by ''Galactica'', this FTL system is found to be far more efficient in jump calculations than Colonial FTL systems. The drive shows its accuracy when Lt. Thrace takes the Raider from a point somewhere near the vicinity of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] back to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] in a single jump ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]").

It is armed with conventional and nuclear missiles carried in internal wing bays and two pairs of [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s of different calibers mounted under the leading edge of the wings. Curiously, the only times the Raiders have been seen using their missiles are during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the [[Battle of The Colony]]. This may indicate that Raiders are not normally armed with missiles.

Like its counterpart, the Colonial [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]], the Raider is capable of atmospheric operations, and retains an aerodynamic shape ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]").

During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], a Raider identifies one of the [[Final Five]] after their activation, causing all of them to refuse to fight further and forces the Cylons to retreat ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). [[Cavil]] (a [[Number One]]) concludes that the Raiders exceeded their programming, and to regain control over them the humanoid Cylons must reconfigure the Raiders' neural architecture and shave down their heuristic responses, essentially lobotomizing them and "dumbing them down." This decision leads to a violent [[Cylon Civil War|split]] among the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]", "[[The Ties That Bind]]"). This split further leads to the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]], resulting in the destruction of the resurrection technology used by both the Humanoid Cylons and the Raiders ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hub]]", "[[Sine Qua Non]]").

Heuristically-reconfigured Raiders participate in the [[Battle of The Colony]] against ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Vipers. For the first time since the Miniseries, Raiders are outfitted with missiles and, using these weapons, destroy one of ''Galactica's'' gun batteries in the battle ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

With the destruction of [[The Colony]] and the Cylon forces lead by Cavil, as well as the loss of the resurrection technology, it is a foregone conclusion that the biological Raiders have gone extinct ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

== Notes ==
*In an homage to the [[Raider (TOS)|Original Series Raider]], the weapons fire of the Re-imagined Series Cylon Raiders is blue-white. Given the use of conventional weaponry only in the series, these are muzzle flashes and tracer rounds, and not energy weapons like in the Original Series.
*As of "Razor", a [[:Image:Raider retcon.jpg|new exterior design]] is being used for the modern Raider. This version displays a more reflective outer armor, and has a flatter face with a sharper jaw line. Overall, this affords the Raider a closer resemblance to the Centurion foot-soldier.<ref>http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=219</ref>
*The Cylon War era Raider is based heavily on the [[Raider (TOS)|Original Series Raider]]. However, it is not identical as the TRS design has enlarged engines and wings that protrude forward from the main hull. Inspite of this update a non updated TOS Raider appears in [[Galactica Museum|Galactica's museum]] during the [[Miniseries]].

== Related Imagery ==
*The concept drawings represent the interior of the modern Raider and emphasize the bio-mechanical nature of the craft. They are very close to the fully realized versions seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. However, there were several changes made and these drawings should not be considered completely canon.

<gallery>
Image:Raider head..jpg|Raider, fore ([[Miniseries]]).
Image:Raider, aft.jpg|Raider, aft ([[Razor]]).
Image:Raider nukes.jpg|Raider missiles (Miniseries).
Image:Baseship - Raiders - Raptor.jpg|Raiders docked within a baseship ([[Torn]]).
Image:Retcon Raider The Plan.png|Redesigned Raider cockpit
Image:Closeup Redesigned Raider Cockpit The Plan.png|Closeup of the redesigned cockpit
Image:Redesigned Raider Eye The Plan.png|Transmiting CNP Virus in The Plan
Image:bsg-raider-A.jpg|Raider on Galactica's hangar deck ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).
Image:Old Raider.jpg|Damaged Raider (Razor).
Image:Old Raider landing.jpg|Raider functioning as a drop-ship (Razor).
Image:Old Raider inferior..jpg|Raider fires (Razor).
Image:Brain1.jpg|Internal workings.
Image:Brain3.jpg|The Brain.
Image:Brain4.jpg|Brain - Anterior view.
Image:Brain 2.jpg|Starbuck in brain cavity.
Image:CylonRaiderConcept5.jpg|Unused Raider concept by [[Chris Bell]].
Image:3cylons.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, aft.
Image:Cylonprobe.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, fore.
</gallery>

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Raider (RDM)

2013-02-10T00:45:08Z

VARGR: /* Notes */

:''This article is about the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] Raider fighter craft. For other versions, see [[Cylon Raider]].''

The '''Raider''' is the primary air/space superiority fighter used by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] against the peoples of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. There have been at least two designs used since the outbreak of hostilities between the two powers.

==Cylon War-era Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Cylon War-era Raider
| image= Raider Trio.png
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Up to 3 [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Space superiority fighter, dropship
| weapons= 2 triple barrel rotary guns, missiles
| length=
| height=
| wingspan=
}}
During the [[Cylon War]], raiders resembled a big "flying wing", and carried a crew of at least three [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] piloting under the command of a specifically designated model. They are a mainstay in the Cylon arsenal of the time ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]", "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

Deployed en masse by the [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]], Raiders are used to great effect against [[Colonial Fleet|Colonial]] [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]] and are nearly a match in maneuverability against their Colonial counterparts, the [[Viper Mark II]] and [[Viper Mark III|Mark III]]. They are also used as drop-ships for deploying ground forces (as seen in the [[Battle of Tauron]]) and are capable of vertical take-offs and landings, much like the Colonial [[Raptor]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

In the tenth year of the Cylon War, [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilots train for combat using [[holoband]]s to simulate battles between the Viper Mark IIIs and Cylon Raiders (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

During the last days of the Cylon War, Raiders destroy the battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' in tandem with basestar missile salvos during [[Operation Raptor Talon]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

Some forty years later, some Cylon War-era Raiders are still in active service. A contingent of Raiders is present aboard a lone Cylon War-era [[Guardian basestar|basestar]] which houses the [[First Hybrid]]. When the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' inadvertently discovers this "Guardian basestar", a squadron of Raiders engages with the battlestar as well as its defending force of [[Viper Mark VII]]s ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). A small number of original Raiders also appears at the [[The Colony|Cylon Colony]], shortly before its destruction by the ''Galactica'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]", "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

<div style="clear: both;"></div>

==Modern Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Modern Raider
| image= Kg_cg_ns_advanced-raider-002.jpg
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= None (biomechanical being)
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons= 2 [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s, conventional/nuclear missiles.
| length= 29.3 feet (8.94 meters)
| height= 4.97 feet (1.52 meters)
| wingspan= 18.3 feet (5.59 meters)
}}
The modern Raider, called '''sparrow''' in Colonial military jargon ([[TRS]]: "[[Maelstrom]]"), radically redesigned but still resembling its past incarnation as a giant flying wing, is first encountered 40 years after the [[Cylon War]], when the Cylons launch their devastating [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|surprise attack]] on the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. During this attack, Raiders transmit commands to Colonial vessels utilizing the Command Navigation Program ([[CNP]]). Compromised prior to the attack, the CNP was programmed with backdoors that permitted the Cylons to cut the power of any ship carrying the program ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]]).

This incarnation of the Raider is initially thought to be wholly mechanical in design, with a high-level AI controlling it. However, from inspection of a damaged Raider forced down in a firefight and recovered by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Act of Contrition]]"), the craft is found to be bio-mechanical in nature ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"), incorporating a number of large organs in its design, including a central brain. Raiders require an oxygen-nitrogen mix for their biological functions, and thus oxygen tanks are located somewhere onboard ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"). In effect, a modern Raider is a creature in itself.

Though Raiders are self-aware, their intelligence level is less than that of a [[humanoid Cylon]] and more like a trained animal ([[TRS]]: "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"). Nonetheless, they are capable of independent thought and action, and can refuse to follow orders if they choose ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]"). Much like the humanoids, the bio-mechanical Raider's consciousness [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrects]] in a new "body" if it is destroyed. While this allows the Raider to "learn" from its previous mistakes and become a more proficient killing machine, it can cause Raiders to develop what can be described as a desire for revenge after repeated deaths ([[TRS]]: "[[Scar]]"). ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Viper pilots are regularly outnumbered and survive, indicating that Cylon Raiders are generally not matches for skilled human pilots.

The Raider is equipped with an [[FTL]] drive system ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]"). Following tests on the Raider captured by ''Galactica'', this FTL system is found to be far more efficient in jump calculations than Colonial FTL systems. The drive shows its accuracy when Lt. Thrace takes the Raider from a point somewhere near the vicinity of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] back to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] in a single jump ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]").

It is armed with conventional and nuclear missiles carried in internal wing bays and two pairs of [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s of different calibers mounted under the leading edge of the wings. Curiously, the only times the Raiders have been seen using their missiles are during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the [[Battle of The Colony]]. This may indicate that Raiders are not normally armed with missiles.

Like its counterpart, the Colonial [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]], the Raider is capable of atmospheric operations, and retains an aerodynamic shape ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]").

During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], a Raider identifies one of the [[Final Five]] after their activation, causing all of them to refuse to fight further and forces the Cylons to retreat ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). [[Cavil]] (a [[Number One]]) concludes that the Raiders exceeded their programming, and to regain control over them the humanoid Cylons must reconfigure the Raiders' neural architecture and shave down their heuristic responses, essentially lobotomizing them and "dumbing them down." This decision leads to a violent [[Cylon Civil War|split]] among the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]", "[[The Ties That Bind]]"). This split further leads to the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]], resulting in the destruction of the resurrection technology used by both the Humanoid Cylons and the Raiders ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hub]]", "[[Sine Qua Non]]").

Heuristically-reconfigured Raiders participate in the [[Battle of The Colony]] against ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Vipers. For the first time since the Miniseries, Raiders are outfitted with missiles and, using these weapons, destroy one of ''Galactica's'' gun batteries in the battle ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

With the destruction of [[The Colony]] and the Cylon forces lead by Cavil, as well as the loss of the resurrection technology, it is a foregone conclusion that the biological Raiders have gone extinct ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

== Notes ==
*In an homage to the [[Raider (TOS)|Original Series Raider]], the weapons fire of the Re-imagined Series Cylon Raiders is blue-white. Given the use of conventional weaponry only in the series, these are muzzle flashes and tracer rounds, and not energy weapons like in the Original Series.
*As of "Razor", a [[:Image:Raider retcon.jpg|new exterior design]] is being used for the modern Raider. This version displays a more reflective outer armor, and has a flatter face with a sharper jaw line. Overall, this affords the Raider a closer resemblance to the Centurion foot-soldier.<ref>http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=219</ref>
*The Cylon War era Raider is based heavily on the [[Raider (TOS)|Original Series Raider]]. However, it is not identical as the TRS design has enlarged engines and wings that protrude forward from the main hull. Inspite of this update a non updated TOS Raider appears in Galactica's museum during the Miniseries.

== Related Imagery ==
*The concept drawings represent the interior of the modern Raider and emphasize the bio-mechanical nature of the craft. They are very close to the fully realized versions seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. However, there were several changes made and these drawings should not be considered completely canon.

<gallery>
Image:Raider head..jpg|Raider, fore ([[Miniseries]]).
Image:Raider, aft.jpg|Raider, aft ([[Razor]]).
Image:Raider nukes.jpg|Raider missiles (Miniseries).
Image:Baseship - Raiders - Raptor.jpg|Raiders docked within a baseship ([[Torn]]).
Image:Retcon Raider The Plan.png|Redesigned Raider cockpit
Image:Closeup Redesigned Raider Cockpit The Plan.png|Closeup of the redesigned cockpit
Image:Redesigned Raider Eye The Plan.png|Transmiting CNP Virus in The Plan
Image:bsg-raider-A.jpg|Raider on Galactica's hangar deck ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).
Image:Old Raider.jpg|Damaged Raider (Razor).
Image:Old Raider landing.jpg|Raider functioning as a drop-ship (Razor).
Image:Old Raider inferior..jpg|Raider fires (Razor).
Image:Brain1.jpg|Internal workings.
Image:Brain3.jpg|The Brain.
Image:Brain4.jpg|Brain - Anterior view.
Image:Brain 2.jpg|Starbuck in brain cavity.
Image:CylonRaiderConcept5.jpg|Unused Raider concept by [[Chris Bell]].
Image:3cylons.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, aft.
Image:Cylonprobe.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, fore.
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Raider (RDM)

2013-02-09T23:54:49Z

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:''This article is about the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] Raider fighter craft. For other versions, see [[Cylon Raider]].''

The '''Raider''' is the primary air/space superiority fighter used by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] against the peoples of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. There have been at least two designs used since the outbreak of hostilities between the two powers.

==Cylon War-era Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Cylon War-era Raider
| image= Raider Trio.png
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Up to 3 [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Space superiority fighter, dropship
| weapons= 2 triple barrel rotary guns, missiles
| length=
| height=
| wingspan=
}}
During the [[Cylon War]], raiders resembled a big "flying wing", and carried a crew of at least three [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] piloting under the command of a specifically designated model. They are a mainstay in the Cylon arsenal of the time ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]", "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

Deployed en masse by the [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]], Raiders are used to great effect against [[Colonial Fleet|Colonial]] [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]] and are nearly a match in maneuverability against their Colonial counterparts, the [[Viper Mark II]] and [[Viper Mark III|Mark III]]. They are also used as drop-ships for deploying ground forces (as seen in the [[Battle of Tauron]]) and are capable of vertical take-offs and landings, much like the Colonial [[Raptor]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]", ''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

In the tenth year of the Cylon War, [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilots train for combat using [[holoband]]s to simulate battles between the Viper Mark IIIs and Cylon Raiders (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

During the last days of the Cylon War, Raiders destroy the battlestar ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' in tandem with basestar missile salvos during [[Operation Raptor Talon]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

Some forty years later, some Cylon War-era Raiders are still in active service. A contingent of Raiders is present aboard a lone Cylon War-era [[Guardian basestar|basestar]] which houses the [[First Hybrid]]. When the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' inadvertently discovers this "Guardian basestar", a squadron of Raiders engages with the battlestar as well as its defending force of [[Viper Mark VII]]s ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). A small number of original Raiders also appears at the [[The Colony|Cylon Colony]], shortly before its destruction by the ''Galactica'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]", "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

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==Modern Raider==
{{Ship Data
| title= Modern Raider
| image= Kg_cg_ns_advanced-raider-002.jpg
| race= Cylon
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= None (biomechanical being)
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons= 2 [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s, conventional/nuclear missiles.
| length= 29.3 feet (8.94 meters)
| height= 4.97 feet (1.52 meters)
| wingspan= 18.3 feet (5.59 meters)
}}
The modern Raider, called '''sparrow''' in Colonial military jargon ([[TRS]]: "[[Maelstrom]]"), radically redesigned but still resembling its past incarnation as a giant flying wing, is first encountered 40 years after the [[Cylon War]], when the Cylons launch their devastating [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|surprise attack]] on the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]]. During this attack, Raiders transmit commands to Colonial vessels utilizing the Command Navigation Program ([[CNP]]). Compromised prior to the attack, the CNP was programmed with backdoors that permitted the Cylons to cut the power of any ship carrying the program ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]]).

This incarnation of the Raider is initially thought to be wholly mechanical in design, with a high-level AI controlling it. However, from inspection of a damaged Raider forced down in a firefight and recovered by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Act of Contrition]]"), the craft is found to be bio-mechanical in nature ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"), incorporating a number of large organs in its design, including a central brain. Raiders require an oxygen-nitrogen mix for their biological functions, and thus oxygen tanks are located somewhere onboard ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]"). In effect, a modern Raider is a creature in itself.

Though Raiders are self-aware, their intelligence level is less than that of a [[humanoid Cylon]] and more like a trained animal ([[TRS]]: "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"). Nonetheless, they are capable of independent thought and action, and can refuse to follow orders if they choose ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]"). Much like the humanoids, the bio-mechanical Raider's consciousness [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrects]] in a new "body" if it is destroyed. While this allows the Raider to "learn" from its previous mistakes and become a more proficient killing machine, it can cause Raiders to develop what can be described as a desire for revenge after repeated deaths ([[TRS]]: "[[Scar]]"). ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Viper pilots are regularly outnumbered and survive, indicating that Cylon Raiders are generally not matches for skilled human pilots.

The Raider is equipped with an [[FTL]] drive system ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]"). Following tests on the Raider captured by ''Galactica'', this FTL system is found to be far more efficient in jump calculations than Colonial FTL systems. The drive shows its accuracy when Lt. Thrace takes the Raider from a point somewhere near the vicinity of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] back to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] in a single jump ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]").

It is armed with conventional and nuclear missiles carried in internal wing bays and two pairs of [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|kinetic energy weapon]]s of different calibers mounted under the leading edge of the wings. Curiously, the only times the Raiders have been seen using their missiles are during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] and the [[Battle of The Colony]]. This may indicate that Raiders are not normally armed with missiles.

Like its counterpart, the Colonial [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]], the Raider is capable of atmospheric operations, and retains an aerodynamic shape ([[TRS]]: "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]").

During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]], a Raider identifies one of the [[Final Five]] after their activation, causing all of them to refuse to fight further and forces the Cylons to retreat ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). [[Cavil]] (a [[Number One]]) concludes that the Raiders exceeded their programming, and to regain control over them the humanoid Cylons must reconfigure the Raiders' neural architecture and shave down their heuristic responses, essentially lobotomizing them and "dumbing them down." This decision leads to a violent [[Cylon Civil War|split]] among the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]", "[[The Ties That Bind]]"). This split further leads to the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]], resulting in the destruction of the resurrection technology used by both the Humanoid Cylons and the Raiders ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hub]]", "[[Sine Qua Non]]").

Heuristically-reconfigured Raiders participate in the [[Battle of The Colony]] against ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Vipers. For the first time since the Miniseries, Raiders are outfitted with missiles and, using these weapons, destroy one of ''Galactica's'' gun batteries in the battle ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

With the destruction of [[The Colony]] and the Cylon forces lead by Cavil, as well as the loss of the resurrection technology, it is a foregone conclusion that the biological Raiders have gone extinct ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

== Notes ==
*In an homage to the [[Raider (TOS)|Original Series Raider]], the weapons fire of the Re-imagined Series Cylon Raiders is blue-white. Given the use of conventional weaponry only in the series, these are muzzle flashes and tracer rounds, and not energy weapons like in the Original Series.
*As of "Razor", a [[:Image:Raider retcon.jpg|new exterior design]] is being used for the modern Raider. This version displays a more reflective outer armor, and has a flatter face with a sharper jaw line. Overall, this affords the Raider a closer resemblance to the Centurion foot-soldier.<ref>http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=219</ref>
*The First Cylon War Raider is based heavily on the [[Raider (TOS)|Original Series Raider]]. However, it is not identical as the TRS design has enlarged engines and wings that protrude forward from the main hull. Inspite of this update a non updated TOS Raider appears in Galactica's museum in the Miniseries.

== Related Imagery ==
*The concept drawings represent the interior of the modern Raider and emphasize the bio-mechanical nature of the craft. They are very close to the fully realized versions seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. However, there were several changes made and these drawings should not be considered completely canon.

<gallery>
Image:Raider head..jpg|Raider, fore ([[Miniseries]]).
Image:Raider, aft.jpg|Raider, aft ([[Razor]]).
Image:Raider nukes.jpg|Raider missiles (Miniseries).
Image:Baseship - Raiders - Raptor.jpg|Raiders docked within a baseship ([[Torn]]).
Image:Retcon Raider The Plan.png|Redesigned Raider cockpit
Image:Closeup Redesigned Raider Cockpit The Plan.png|Closeup of the redesigned cockpit
Image:Redesigned Raider Eye The Plan.png|Transmiting CNP Virus in The Plan
Image:bsg-raider-A.jpg|Raider on Galactica's hangar deck ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).
Image:Old Raider.jpg|Damaged Raider (Razor).
Image:Old Raider landing.jpg|Raider functioning as a drop-ship (Razor).
Image:Old Raider inferior..jpg|Raider fires (Razor).
Image:Brain1.jpg|Internal workings.
Image:Brain3.jpg|The Brain.
Image:Brain4.jpg|Brain - Anterior view.
Image:Brain 2.jpg|Starbuck in brain cavity.
Image:CylonRaiderConcept5.jpg|Unused Raider concept by [[Chris Bell]].
Image:3cylons.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, aft.
Image:Cylonprobe.jpg|Render based on Chris Bell's concept, fore.
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Rebel basestar

2013-02-06T15:24:58Z

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{{Ship Data
| image= Rebellen Basisstern.jpg
| title= Rebel basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, [[Heavy Raider]]s, at least 3 Raiders, Colonial Vipers, Colonial Raptors
| status= Active. Now commanded by freed Centurions.
| img=
}}
The '''rebel basestar''' is one among many others in the Cylon fleet before a [[Cylon Civil War|civil war]] broke out, segregating a number of humanoid Cylon copies of models Six, Two, Eight, and later, a [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|lone Three]] from the others.

==Background==
When [[Natalie Faust]], a Six, proposes that they unbox the Threes to learn of the [[Final Five]] and has the [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed from the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to get the [[Number One|One]], [[Number Four|Four]] and [[Number Five|Five]] models to co-operate, other Cylon models, led by the Ones, object to the change, orchestrating an [[Battle of the Trinary Star System|attack on basestars controlled by Natalie's faction]]. The attack occurs in a remote area far from a [[Resurrection Ship]] in an attempt to permanently kill its occupants ([[TRS]]: "[[Six of One]]", "[[The Ties That Bind]]").

Natalie's basestar survives but is seriously damaged, its [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] complement all but destroyed, with only a few [[Heavy Raider]]s and at least 3 Raiders remaining. The ship is later found by the ''[[Demetrius]]'' crew, captained by [[Kara Thrace]]. They repair the basestar's [[FTL]] by cannibalizing Colonial [[datacord]] and other elements from a [[Raptor]]. To effect repair, however, the ship's [[Hybrid]] was taken offline. Another problem is that the basestar will have to jump to [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]] first, making the ship vulnerable against ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', but is saved after the ''Demetrius'' arrive to talk ''Galactica'' out of attacking the basestar, and they form an alliance to destroy the [[Resurrection Hub]]. ([[TRS]]: "[[Faith]]", "[[Guess What's Coming To Dinner?]]")

Later, when the basestar's Hybrid was brought online, it repeatedly jumps the ship several times following the death of Natalie, quickly gaining on the Resurrection Hub. The basestar eventually finds the Hub and instigates the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]] ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hub]]").

[[Number Three (Downloaded copy)|Downloaded Three]] calls for the Final Four to join the rebels on the basestar, and only [[Tory Foster]] does so. After Three agrees to renew their alliance with the Colonials, the rebel basestar joins the Fleet on the final jump to Earth, only to find it in ruins ([[TRS]]: "[[Revelations]]"). [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] invites their Cylon allies to follow the Fleet to find a new home. Three maroons herself on Earth with the bones of her ancestors ([[TRS]]: "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]"). Despite not initially coming over with Foster, [[Galen Tyrol]] associates with his Cylon brethren to an increasing degree ([[TRS]]: "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]").

Since joining the fleet, the ship was under repair, by utilizing the [[Cylon organic resin|organic resin]] to restrengthen the hull, as well as rebuild the missing outer edges of the ship ([[TRS]]: "[[Deadlock]]").

When [[Felix Gaeta]] launches a [[The Oath|mutiny]] and seizes control of ''Galactica'', President Roslin and Gaius Baltar escape to the rebel basestar. Roslin convinces the Cylons to help her stop Gaeta. Subordinating themselves to her authority, they move the ship into the middle of the Fleet so that Gaeta cannot fire upon them without inflicting collateral damage upon the human ships. At the height of the situation, the rebel baseship prepares to engage ''Galactica'' under Roslin's command. Adama retakes ''Galactica'' and radios Roslin to stand down the basestar's weapons ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood on the Scales]]").

The basestar has firmly joined the Fleet, both militarilly and in government. The rebel Cylons elected a Six named [[Sonja]] to represent them in the new Quorum which is now made up of ship's captains instead of representatives of the Twelve Colonies. The basestar's heavy raiders and their pilot Sixes and Eights are integrated into ''Galactica''’s squadrons. As of "[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]", the baseship's autonomous [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]]s have not yet been similarly depicted.

When the decision to abandon ''Galactica'' is made, it is decided that the Rebel Basestar will be the Fleet's new flagship. The Cylons, through Councilman Sonja Six, welcomed Admiral Adama to transfer his flag to the rebel basestar and have already accepted his command authority. Adama directed Colonel Tigh to organize the relocation of ''Galactica''’s military personnel and equipment to the basestar within the week.

When Adama decides to rescue Hera Agathon, the Rebel Basestar (which is by then, completely regenerated) is left behind under the command of Hoshi to protect the fleet while ''Galactica'' goes by itself to rescue Hera and battle Cavil's faction. After ''Galactica'' destroys the Colony and Cavil's faction, the basestar jumps to their location when the fleet is summoned by a dispatched Raptor.

When the Fleet discovers a habitable planet the Colonials decide to call "Earth," the rebel humanoid Cylons decide to join the humans in building a new civilization on this world. The basestar is left in the hands of the Centurions who are now free to seek out their own destiny. Although some, like President [[Romo Lampkin]] questioned the logic behind the decision, fearing potential retaliatory attacks by the Centurions on the undefended settlements of Earth, [[Ellen Tigh]] and Admiral [[William Adama]] felt that giving the Centurions their freedom would be enough to break the Cycle of violence. The Centurions depart in the rebel basestar - the only ship in the Fleet that is not abandoned and flown into the sun. The exact status of the freed Centurions and the basestar 150,000 years later is unknown. ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]")

== Related Imagery ==

<gallery>Image:
Image: Rebel Basestar Rendevous With Demetrius.png|Jumping to the Demetrius in the nick of time.
Image: Basestar Jumps into Fleet.png|Rebel Basestar arrives unexpectedly to the fleet.
Image: Rebel Basestar Viper View.png|Vipers rush to intercept Rebel Basestar.
Image: Raptor Enters Rebel Basestar Hanger.png|Raptor enters Rebel Basestar hanger.
Image: Rebel Basestar Among the Fleet.png|Cruising alongside Battlestar Galactica.
Image: Rebel Baseship Jumps Away From Fleet.png|Rebel Baseship jumps away from fleet.
Image: Rebel Basestar Damage.png|Awesome shot of the Rebel Basestar.
Image: Rebel Basestar Firing.png|During the Battle of The Resurrection Hub.
Image: Rebel Basestar Hit Battle of Resurrection Hub.png|Rebel Basestar hit by missle fire during The Battle of The Resurrection Hub.
Image: Rebel Basestar Shot.png|Another awesome shot of the Rebel Baseship.
Image: Centurions On Rebel Baseship.png|Cylon centurions man the former rebel baseship.
Image: Freed Baseship.png|Rebel Baseship just before jumping away from earth. Last baseship shot of the series.
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Galactica type battlestar

2012-12-27T19:50:50Z

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:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of an aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this class remain in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]]; however, most were retired.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= All known ships [[Battle_of_the_colony#Aftermath|destroyed]]
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica'' in its original configuration ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and a full load of nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while its defensive armaments ensure that it is fully capable of both protecting itself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and its sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
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=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
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==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]")]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|''Galactica'' in its Cylon War outfit (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').]]
[[Image:Missile Launch Tubes.png|thumb|right|''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> missile launch tubes ([[TRS]]: "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]").]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 or 40+ depending on configuration ([[First Cylon War]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'')) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are rail guns ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.

[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]

*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the dorsal main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to its scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== See also ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed Colonial vessels]]

*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class battlestar]]
*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints for ''Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her.

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2012-12-12T20:24:07Z

VARGR: /* Loki type */

:''This article lists seen, but unnamed [[battlestar]]s and their support ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Reimagined Series]].''

== ''Galactica'' type ==
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During the First [[Cylon War]], ''Galactica'' and two unnamed Battlestars are seen with their Viper escorts over one of the Colonies ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

An unnamed ''Galactica'' type Battlestar is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another unnamed ''Galactica'' type is seen participating in [[Operation Raptor Talon]], in cooperation with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' ("[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

At least two ''Galactica'' type Battlestars are moored at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] at the time of the surprise attack against the Colonies. They are sitting ducks, and are quickly destroyed by Cylon forces ("[[Razor]]"). <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=690</ref> <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=691</ref>

Another ''Galactica'' type is seen wrecked above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after the renewed Cylon attacks ("[[Miniseries]]").

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Image:15.jpg|''Galactica'' and two ''Galactica'' type battlestars in different configurations over Caprica.
Image:Destroyed Battlestar Mini.JPG|A destroyed ''Galactica'' type battlestar near Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]").
Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|''Columbia'', ''Galactica'' and one unnamed battlestar over an [[ice planet]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").
Image:ScorpionFleetShipyards1.jpg|Docked at the shipyards over Scorpia (upper right) ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
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== ''Valkyrie'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Valkyrie type battlestar}}
At least four unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type Battlestars are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least four Battlestars of ''[[Valkyrie]]'''s design are also docked at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards and destroyed by the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

One unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type is seen taking formation alongside the Battlestars ''[[Yashuman]]'' and ''[[Valkyrie]]'' in the opening moments of the renewed Cylon attacks against the Colonies, and is destroyed above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after ("[[The Plan]]").

<gallery>
Image:Valkyrie-type battlestar.jpg|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar destroyed in its berth ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie The Plan.png|''Valkyrie'', ''Yashuman'', and a third ''Valkyrie'' type prepare for Cylon attack ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie B C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''"Berzerk"'' type ==

At least three ''"Berzerk"'' type<ref>Based on an original design by [[Eric Chu]], the version seen in "Razor" was created by Charles Oines of [http://www.irrationaldesigns.com/index.html Irrational Designs]. While not [[canon]]ical, Oines's artwork designates the vessel as a "Berzerk-class". His web site has full renderings of the ship.</ref> cruisers are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another ship of this class, is docked next to ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' during the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

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Image:Pegasus, Scorpion Shipyards.jpg|Docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie_B_C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''"Defender"'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Wedge-shaped vessel}}

An unnamed ship of this class is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least two ships of this class are converted for civilian use, and escape the Colonies with the Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[TRS]]).

<gallery>
Image:Unknown Wedge Vessel.jpg|A ''"Defender"'' type is seen fleeing [[New Caprica]] after being discovered by a Cylon fleet ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").
Image:Wedge.PNG|Seen with the Fleet just before ''[[Galactica]]'' jumps away to the Cylon Colony ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Seen (bottom left) hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''Loki'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Loki type heavy cruiser}}

There are at least three ships of this class, including the ''Loki'', hiding out in Cylon held space near [[Sector 12]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

There are at least two of these ships flying formation with ''Galactica'' when [[William Adama]] is brought aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

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Image:Loki.png|Fore section of the ''Loki'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Two ''Loki'' type heavy cruisers hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Loki Engines.png|Aft section of the ''Loki'', featuring an engine pod ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''"Catamaran"'' type ==

There are at least two ships of this class<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Two more vessels of this class are also seen with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' battle group when [[William Adama]] transfers aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

===Notes===

This class shares many design similarities with the [[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class]].

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Image:Battlestar Galactica - Blood And Chrome Appearence.png|The ''"Catamaran"'' type can be seen above and below the ''Galactica'', with a ''Loki'' type in the background.
Image:Catamaran.png|The underside of the ''"Catamaran"'' type.
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Talk:Orion class battlestar/Archive 1

2012-12-12T20:00:32Z

VARGR: /* Called a Stealth Frigate on B&C Facebook */

Battlestar? Where did this Battlestar designation come from? From the evidence it is clearly far too small and underpowered to be a battlestar. It also got its fighters from other ships and had to create a vacum in its hangar to let raptors in/out. It is also tiny compared to basestars and and completely outgunned. If anything this ship is similar to a frigate or destroyer, but a battlestar it is not. A much larger stronger ship the Loki is clearly identified as a heavy-cruiser and not a battlestar so this smaller ship is not either. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 12:08, 23 November 2012 (EST)

: "Battlestar" is on the patch. I've found a decent screencap from the last two episodes, which I'll upload now.

: Also, there are "light" and "heavy" battlestars, as we've seen in the past between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' (heavy battlestar), and later ''Valkyrie'' (a light battlestar). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:11, 23 November 2012 (EST)

:: Patch screen cap [[:File:Battlstar_Osiris_patch.png|is here]]. I'll endeavor to get a good scan of the actual prop when I'm able, since I have access to the screen-used uniforms. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:17, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Ah I see a battlestar it is. My bad. Still it is a very strangeship to label as a battlestar as its barely holds any vipers and is so tiny. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 12:25, 23 November 2012 (EST)

:: My theory is she's an older design, created before the outbreak of hostilities with the Cylons, and was pressed into service for the War. Serge Greystone's old Twitter account did say the Colonials used the designation before the onset of the War, however, I do not know if the BSG Wiki treats it has a canon source.

::: I'm going to agreed that I don't think that the Osiris should be a Battlestar. Now for the arms patch, maybe the Battlestar Osiris and the Osiris-Orion Class are two different ships. Since the Colonial Fleet was creating a Ghost Fleet maybe some of the personal was save from the Battlestar Osiris and was taking to the Osiris-Orion Class. Also, since arm patches from the series have mistake i.e. Triton'a arm patch maybe it simple a mistake.

:::Also, we know that Battlestar used 2 number, i.e. 75, 61, 41, etc to show Battlestar Group. However, Osiris have 4 number 0913 suggest it either not a Battlestar are don't followed the normal number system. It could be a pre-Revolt design but that would mean that Battlestar is simple the Colonial term for Capital ship. However, if that is correct, then that would be like someone calling a Frigate a capital ship, which in my opinion it is not. Also it the Loki is Heavy Cruiser, and the Berzerk an Escort, then why is the Osiris - smaller than both vessel a Battlestar? Because even if it was a Battlestar before the war broke out, would they not reclassify it to bring it into current standard? I.e. how the USN Navy reclassify several ships because of the 'cruiser gap' with the USSR.

:::Plus, looking at the Osiris arm patch, it have BSG and then two number I can't make out, which suggest that Osiris is part of Battlestar Group but don't have the same number on it hull unlike other Battlestar i.e. Galactica.

:::I suggest that we should referred to the Osiris as a warship, and a Orion Class Warship instead of a Battlestar. Plus we have already determined that what seen on screen is subject to changed i.e. Archeron being called a Heavy Cruiser but actual being a Battlestar and the Valkyrie being the same ship from Hero, despite no on screen evidence to support this. --[[User:Allenknott3|Allenknott3]]

:::: Canon sources dictate the Battlestar designation. The patch says "BSG 54". Also, according to Doug Drexler, the Valkyrie is the same ship from " Hero". - [[User:frylock86|Frylock86]]

Well I'm of the opinion having seen a battlestar patch that yes it is technically a battlestar, but that in my mind there is no doubt that it is a obsolete design of battlestar from before the outbreak of war. With the war vastly larger ships were created to meet the needs of war such as the Cylons building larger basestars. This lead to the Orion Class Battlestars being obsolete and completely outdated as they were weakly armored (which is shown in how easily its external engine is destroyed), and lack a large amount of Vipers. If it turns out the class is not a pre-war design then I would say its a mistake, but since there is no evidence to show this it should remain labelled as a Battlestar. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 13:39, 23 November 2012 (EST)

: Right. There are various types of Vipers and Raptors, as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 13:41, 23 November 2012 (EST)

==Called a Stealth Frigate on B&C Facebook==

On a post on the 7th Dec A Battlestar Task Group is decribed. In it it gives information on Stealth Frigates which has this written next to it ''"(The Reliant is a stealth Frigate)"''. In the comments below it B&C FB page clearly states that the Reliant was the original name for the Orisis. Therefore this class of ship is not a battlestar, but a Stealth Frigate.

fb page http://www.facebook.com/bloodandchrome [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 15:24, 11 December 2012 (EST)

: Sorry, but not really. The information provided there was preliminary, and subject to change. Should we note this as its original point? Absolutely. But this was changed when it went through production. (A lot of things tend to change from script to screen.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:39, 11 December 2012 (EST)

::Fair enough. It deffinately deserves a mention in the notes section of the page though on the subject of its original name being Reliant. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 16:29, 11 December 2012 (EST)

::: As I said, we should certainly do that, at least. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:36, 11 December 2012 (EST)
:::: B&C FB confirmed in the comments that it is deffinately a Battlestar and the Stealth Frigate designation was dropped [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 15:00, 12 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Orion class battlestar/Archive 1

2012-12-11T21:29:47Z

VARGR: /* Called a Stealth Frigate on B&C Facebook */

Colonial Fleet (TRS)/old

2012-12-11T21:27:23Z

VARGR: /* Ships of the Colonial Fleet */

:''This article discusses the military defense ships of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]] prior to their destruction. For information on the civilian ships that comprise the remains of humanity, see [[The Fleet (TRS)]].''

The '''Colonial Fleet''' is the primary armed service branch of the Colonial Forces<ref>In the episodes "[[Maelstrom]]" and "[[The Son Also Rises]]", official documents written for [[Socrata Thrace]] and [[Kara Thrace]], respectively, also name the armed services of the Colonies as the Colonial Forces.</ref> under the jurisdiction of the [[Ministry of Defense]] of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|fall of the Colonies]].

The Colonial Fleet operates in tandem with other branches of the Colonial Forces, like the [[Colonial Marine Corps]], and is augmented by a reserve, of which [[Lee Adama]] (CFR) is a member ([[TRS]]: "[[Final Cut]]"). A government military academy<ref>
The military academy was probably similar to [[Wikipedia:United States Naval Academy|Annapolis]] or [[Wikipedia:Britannia Royal Naval College|the Royal Naval College]].</ref> appears to be the primary training faculty and commission source for the fleet's officers. Many characters, including [[Saul Tigh]], [[Kara Thrace]], and [[Sharon Valerii]] attended (or claim to have attended) this academy. Moreover, a [[War College]] existed for more extensive education, which Lee Adama attended. The training of new recruits was under the Colonial Forces Training Command <ref>The letterheads in Kara Thrace's personnel file in "[[The Son Also Rises]]" show two documents issued by this command, each while she was in training status.</ref>.

Other identified Fleet installations include the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], the [[Caprican Colonial Forces Veteran's Hospital]], [[Ragnar Anchorage]], and [[Armistice Station]]. The Colonial Fleet was based at [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]].

==Fleet Status==
At the time of the Cylon holocaust, the Colonial Fleet includes approximately 120 battlestars<ref>In the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] tells Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] when she's released from the brig, "We lost 30 battlestars in the opening attack." She responds, "That's a quarter of the fleet." This establishes that there were approximately 120 active battlestars in the Colonial Fleet at the time of the attack.</ref>, thousands of smaller vessels<ref>The A to Z of Battlestar Galactica, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 51.</ref>, numerous squadrons of [[Viper Mark VII|Vipers]] and [[Raptor]]s assigned to each, and various support ships <ref>According to Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], two unnamed battlestars and three other ships (type unknown, but presumed military vessels) were destroyed at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). This establishes the existence of non-battlestar support ships that would likely be assigned to a [[battlestar group]]. The support ships' roles can be presumed to be similar to those in an [[Wikipedia:aircraft carrier battle group|aircraft carrier battle group]]. The episode "[[Razor]]" shows [[Berzerk|one such ship]], but its exact role is unknown.</ref>. The Colonial Fleet also included modified [[Space Park]] vessels (although the single Space Park liner in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[The Fleet (TRS)|civilian Fleet]] is very likely a civilian liner) <ref>Information formerly available on the [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar SciFi Channel Battlestar Galactica web site]. Some information on the official site has conflicted with aired content, so readers are warned that inconsistencies can occur.</ref>.

The Colonial Fleet was regarded by the Cylons to be a decisively superior force in a direct engagement. Therefore, the Cylons returned to a variation of their [[Cylon War]] [[Cylon Tactics|tactics]] by undermining the Colonial Fleet's [[CNP]] to attack ships equipped with the software from within ([[TRS]]: "[[Downloaded]]").

Battlestars mentioned destroyed in the Cylon attack include ''[[Triton (TRS)|Triton]]'', ''[[Solaria]]'', ''[[Columbia (TRS)|Columbia]]'', and ''[[Atlantia (TRS)|Atlantia]]'' (Admiral [[Nagala]]'s flagship). Upon Nagala's death, Commander [[William Adama]] of ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'' assumes command of the remains of the Colonial Fleet, ordering them to regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] for a counter-attack. However, [[Pegasus (TRS)|virtually]] all capital ships of the Colonial Fleet are destroyed, leaving Commander Adama (after consultation with new President [[Laura Roslin]]) to choose retreat from the Cylons, opting instead to protect the surviving members of humanity.

Approximately a year after the Cylon destruction of the Twelve Colonies, the remnants of mankind colonize the world of [[New Caprica]] on orders of new President [[Gaius Baltar]]. The two remaining battlestars of the Colonial Fleet, ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' (both manned by skeleton crews), orbit the planet and monitor for Cylon activity. A year after colonization, a Cylon fleet comprised of dozens of basestars finds the settlement. Unable to fight off an invasion of such magnitude, ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' retreat to safety, leaving most of the civilian fleet under Cylon occupation on the surface of New Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").

In the [[Battle of New Caprica]] four months later, ''Galactica'' is severely damaged while escaping with the liberated civilians. ''Pegasus'', however, is destroyed after taking significant damage and ramming a [[Basestar (TRS)|basestar]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Exodus, Part II]]"). ''Galactica'' constitutes the only surviving vessel within the Colonial Fleet until it is destroyed ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

==Limits of Authority==
The Colonial Fleet is aware that they are a military force, not a police force. Commander [[William Adama]] warns new President [[Laura Roslin]] that mixing the two roles can turn the military against its own citizens. Acting commander [[Saul Tigh]] ignores this principle when attempting to stop an supply boycott in the [[The Fleet (TRS)|civilian Fleet]], leading to the deaths of four civilians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Resistance]]").

Biological warfare is restricted in the Twelve Colonies, requiring presidential authorization ([[TRS]]: "[[A Measure of Salvation]]"). However, battlestar commanders have battlefield authority to use nuclear weapons ([[TRS]]: "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]").

==Ships of the Colonial Fleet==
* [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
* [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
* [[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]
* [[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class battlestar]]
* [[Loki type heavy cruiser|''Loki'' type heavy cruiser]]
* [[Raptor]]
* [[Viper Mark II]]
* [[Viper Mark III]]
* [[Viper Mark VII]]
* [[Stealthstar]]

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial Military]]
[[Category:Colonial Military (TRS)]]
[[Category:Organizations]]
[[Category:TRS]]

[[de:Kolonialflotte (RDM)]]
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<pagesidebar>
* See Also
** Military Ranks (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Ranks
** Uniforms (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Uniforms
** Insignia (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Insignia & Patches
** List of terms (RDM)#Military|Colonial Fleet Terminology
** Military - Government relations|Military—Government Relations
* The Original Series
** Colonial Fleet (TOS)|Colonial Fleet
** Colonial Warrior|Colonial Warriors
</pagesidebar>

Loki type heavy cruiser

2012-12-11T21:25:29Z

VARGR: The Loki didn't have a page for it's ship type so I started this page to ammend it.

{{Ship Data
|image= Loki.png
| title= Loki type heavy cruiser
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= unknown
| role= Heavy cruiser
| weapons= unknown
| status= Active circa 42 BCH. Current status unknown.
}}
The '''Loki type heavy cruiser''' is a capital ship in service with the [[Colonial Fleet]] during the [[First Cylon War]]. Ten years into the war two ships of this class were stationed with the "Ghost Fleet" including the [[Loki]].

{{Ships}}

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Talk:Orion class battlestar/Archive 1

2012-12-11T20:24:15Z

VARGR: Actually a Stealth Frigate

Talk:Galactica (TRS)/Archive 1

2012-12-09T20:44:51Z

VARGR: /* Page Cleanup and Organization */

== Nice Work! ==

I enjoy reading about the new Galactica starship and look forward to more details as the series progresses...and to adding my own edits, too.

Keep up the good work on this page.

:On behalf of the rest of the team, thanks! This wiki has grown a lot from the work of a few hundred people and a lot of readers! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:I am here, I make the edits. There was little choice in the matter. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]], October 13, 2005

== Formatting Question ==

When formatting the "full name" of ''Galactica'' is it:

*...the ''[[Battlestar]] [[Galactica]]''
*...the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''
or
*...the [[Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''?

It seems to me that it should be the second.

:"''Galactica''" or "the battlestar ''Galactica''"; never "the ''Galactica''". Battleship and aircraft carrier are not proper nouns, so battlestar isn't either. See [[Battlestar wiki:Standards and Conventions#Ships]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:56, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

==Tallies==

FYI, I'm working on a fairly major revamp of these, using MASON and Joe's source page idea. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:59, 17 October 2005 (EDT)

:Why does it state that Galactica had 2 squadrons of MKVII's on board the ship at the begining of the series? This would be a big inconsistancy with what we saw in the miniseries.

:At the decommisioning ceremony we see one squadron of vipers led by Apollo doing a flyby. This squadron leaves the ship for Caprica after the ceremony and is rerouted to engage the cylons.

:When Starbuck is released from the brig she reports 20 pilots available but no vipers. Adama then orders the MKII's in the museum pressed into service.

:The squadron of MKVII's led by 'Ripper' is then destroyed by the cylon virus.

:IF there were 2 squadrons of MKVII's on the ship, where is that second squadron during all of this? It didn't launch with Ripper's squadron and it wasn't available for Starbuck and the other stranded pilots to use. (They didn't know the MKVII's were useless until after the first squadron was destroyed.)

:It's more likely that the MKVII's we see at Ragnor and later in the series are made up from homeless vipers that were carried to Ragnor with Roslin's fleet, plus a few spares put together from storage aboard Galactica.

::There are clearly twenty vipers on screen in Ripper's squadron. Galactica is then able to sortie a combined squadron of (roughly) 40 Mk. VIIs and Mk. IIs. This makes perfect sense if Galactica has two squadrons of Mk. VIIs based in its active (port) flight pod, and one squadron of Mk. IIs in the museum (starboard) flight pod.

::As for pilots, presumably the ones with ships had something better to do than be "climbing the walls down here". It's fairly typical for a military operation to have more pilots than craft in any case, so that's not an issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:47, 4 December 2005 (EST)

Well if there was another squadron of MVII's available at the time Starbuck mentions the 20 odd pilots in the ready room, where is that second squadron? If they are sortied after Ripper's mission, they would have been destroyed by the virus. If they're in the tubes waiting for a mission, why didn't they sortie to defend the ship?

This second squadron is never seen onscreen or mentioned in dialogue in the miniseries. It's more likely it didn't exist and the later MKVII's are refugees. Those vipers are at least seen on screen once, and later in the series its mentioned that there are some pilots from other battlestars flying off Galactica. (Crashdown is described as a refugee from "Triton", for example.)

:Crashdown was a Raptor pilot; Raptors have FTL and could go to another system, but I don't think Vipers could easily escape to Ragnar that well (unless, like Apollo, they landed on a nearby Civilian ship with Jump engines then escaped aboard that, but that seems unlikely).--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:50, 7 December 2005 (EST)
::Didn't Doral say during the flyby at the museum that it was performed by the last Galactica squadron. Since this was the squadron led by Ripper, it pretty much precludes a second squadron. Also, there could have been several Mk VIIs in storage, for spares or down for repairs. Maybe there were extra Mk IIs stored in the starboard hanger. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:57, 7 December 2005 (EST)
:::It is likely that they were unservicable and awaited transfer to a dock after ''Galactica'' was officially decomissioned. Also, on the off chance that I might be right, there may have been Vipers on other ships that survived as well. (For instance, there may have been a few were stragglers from earlier engagements, or even patrols that didn't see action during the assault on the Colonies that happened upon Roslin's fleet prior to Ragnar.) Just a thought or three... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::::It would be informative to get an actual headcount during the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. I have the launch scene about 2/3 analyzed, and will probably be able to finish it next week, but the video quality of my recording isn't perfect. I'll let you know what I come up with, in any case. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::::Oh, one more thing - In the mini, Adama says "I seem to remember an entire squadron of fighters down in the starboard hangar deck yesterday". If there were two squadrons of Mk. IIs, he would've said so. Again, two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (one destroyed) and one squadron of Mk. IIs fits the on-screen evidence nicely. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 8 December 2005 (EST)

::::The only problem with that is that the second squadron doesn't seem to show up until the battle at Ragnor. What was it doing all this time? If the count of MKVII's is under 20, it makes sense that the MKVII's at Ragnor were made up of a small group of spares that were put together onboard Galactica along with whatever refugees were picked up by Roslin's fleet. We know for sure that there were at least three MKVII's with that fleet that were shown onscreen.--Dallan007
:::::Didn't Starbuck's lines in that scene imply that there were no operational fighters. I believe it was something along the lines of "pilots you got, but Vipers..." I think the Mk VIIs they have were straglers the RTFF picked up before they jumped to Ragnar. These could have been on patrol or something and met up with Colonial One et al. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:03, 9 December 2005 (EST)
::::::Maybe the Mk. VII wing wasn't sortied before Ragnar because the systems had to be stripped of Baltar's CNP. There are far too many Mk. VIIs in the Ragnar battle to be anything less than a full wing, though. I'll have a real tally up as soon as I can. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:38, 9 December 2005 (EST)
::::::::They didn't know about the CNP weakness yet. The purging didn't happen until they were at Ragnar, after the first sortie. Remember, it was the same time as Doral was accused of being a Cylon. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:09, 9 December 2005 (EST)
:::::::::Perhaps, before the first sortie, Gaeta had the remaining Mark VIIs grounded as a precaution since he hears of the malfunctions from Dualla before the fight and makes the association with the CNP (he's bright that way). Or, yes, the Mark VIIs were gathered up in Roslin's search (most probable since Galactica should launch everything they had in sortie 1, and they would rather send Mark VII's than the museum pieces). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
::::::::::The squadron ready room would seem to imply a 20-ship squadron. There are 24 seats in the ready room, 20 pilots plus a few seats for guests like Apollo. Boomer and Helo were flying with the last Mk VII squadron so it would make sense that they would be there in the mini. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 13 December 2005 (EST)

== Redundancy ==
=== Fleet Details ===

'''Designation''': warship, battlestar type, [[Galactica type battlestar|original battlestar class]] (class name unknown).

'''Deployment''': Formerly an element of the [[75th Battlestar Group]] (BSG 75)

'''Current Status''': One of [[Pegasus (RDM) |two]] remaining Colonial military units. ''Galactica'' is commanded by [[William Adama]].

=== Fleet Details Comments ===
The only piece of information in that block which is not mentioned before it is the membership is BSG 75; this was an oversight. I'll add mention of it in the paragraph before. The remainder is redundant and shockingly poor in formatting. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
:Since you've been around and not commented, Merovingian, I'll pull it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:26, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::I was busy. It's not redundant, and I am restoring it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:46, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::What information does it contain that is not elsewhere in this article? --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:55, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Boxes provide quick and easy referrence. I mean, we wouldn't have a box listing ship class and armaments by that logic. It's fun, and makes it clearer. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:24, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::That's not a box. The info box made for the purpose does mention the designation and CO. The BSG 75 thing is at best a curiosity utterly unworthy of quick reference, not that I agree that randomly ordered sentence fragments are actually easier to skim. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 14:36, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Seemed pretty redundant to me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:57, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
I still want to delete this. It taunts me in my dreams ...well, not quite, but I don't like it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 22:36, 17 May 2006 (CDT)

===Turrets===
[[Image:BSG-KEW-Turret.jpg|thumb|An example of one of ''Galactica's'' large projectile weapons.]]
''Galactica's'' defenses include an array of twenty-four large turret mounted, dual-role twin-cannons, and a multitude of smaller turret mounted twin-guns located between the ''Galactica's'' "[[Frame|ribs]]", along the [[flight pod]]s. Together, these provide the ''Galactica'' with a flak field that acts as a defense perimeter against incoming hostiles ([[Miniseries]], "[[Scattered]]"). In addition, the large cannons represent ''Galactica's'' main anti-capital ship weapon, and have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar]]s ("[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]").
=== Turrets Comments ===
I don't mind the picture, though I don't think it adds much. It could be tied to the page simply as an illustration of "Armament" per the title of the larger section.
The composition of the turret armament is discussed on the page for the type. The details on the positioning are slightly incorrect, anyway. That they produce flak is obvious; that the large guns are effective against basestars could be assumed, and, if it must be mentioned, should be mentioned on the page for the type. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

:Agree. [[Galactica type battlestar]] should host details relevant to the ship class in general. [[Galactica (RDM)]] should host information only pertinent to the individual battlestar in question. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:46, 19 April 2006 (CDT)

==Battlestar Group==
See [[talk:Pegasus (RDM)#Battlestar Group|talk on Pegasus page]]

==Improvements for featured article status==
I think that we should make the following minor changes before declaring this a featured article:
*Remove "Fleet Details" section, as this merely duplicates information available in the ship infobox
*Reconsider the implementation of the "running tallies" section. My objection is mainly based on the fact that the current setup precludes the use of footnotes in this article, and is probably more information than the average user is interested in. I personally feel that we should break each tally into a separate article and link it from the appropriate summary in the equipment section.
*If, however, we decide keep the running tallies on this page, a simple retitle of the section to "Sources and Rationalle" is necessary. Also, we should seriously consider moving over to the <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tag system, although doing so may make the editing process more cumbersome (with the running tallies scattered throughout the body of the text). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 8 June 2006 (CDT)
:<strike>Item 1</strike>
:As for #2 (a or b)... I don't have a strong feeling either way. It does seem to overwhelm the bottom, and any other footnootes would get drowned out. I guess I'd lean towards them becoming subarticles (of either Galactica (RDM) or of their respective topic (Viper (RDM), Raptor, etc)), or maybe to the front of their respective topics (on the main of Viper (RDM) and Raptor). I'll defer to others on this one, though. Also... could the article stand to have perhaps one more external shot of ''Galactica''? For an article about her, she doesn't get much visibility (outside the small shot in the data box and the gallery down below). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:21, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

::I agree with SteelViper on #2: if you just move it to another article, but keep a link to the tallies section at the bottom, I have no strong feelings on such a change. (BTW, what do you mean "Rationalle"?). --->However, I have to disagree on "Fleet details": I agree that saying its "designation" and "current status" is already in the box, however, the box doesn't mention what Battlestar Group it (nor does this justify changing the box template, because only this article and Pegasus would have such info): I'm going to change it back to a compromise position and tell me what you think. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:04, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
:::On second thought, nevermind: it already says enough about BSG info in the introductory paragraph. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 14:06, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
::::That's the EXACT same progression I went through. "Hey, that isn't in the... oh. There it is." --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:07, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

I've tried breaking out the Raptor and Viper tallies into their own articles. Let me know what you think; it's easy to revert if people don't like it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:35, 10 June 2006 (CDT)

:I didn't see anything wrong with the breakout; I was severely dismayed by the self-argumentative tone in one section of the article (now revised). I've also made significant concision and adjustments as well as adding more links to material that should give the article more ''ooompf''. I may review this again as I'm sure more things here just didn't sit right with me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:27, 10 June 2006 (CDT)

What's left todo on this before "FA" status? Also... any thoughts on my picture thought above? (Another external shot of "Big G" somewhere else on this page?) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:32, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:External shots should be of ''Galactica'' doing something recognizably "Galactica-ish", to contrast with the beauty shots in [[Galactica type battlestar]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:38, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:Agreed. I've also gone through the article again and given the language more polish and super-conventionized it. I'm happy with the text, but fresh photos of the Big G moving about would be neat. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:54, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

::Looking through the "screenshots" category, I wasn't impressed by the selection. I hit Galacticastation for some examples and looked at the mini since I figured they'd feature her prominently there. I found [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(258).htm top view], [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(290).htm side viper], and [http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(572).htm side Fleet]. Of the three, "side Fleet" is my favorite, but that's a fairly small sample. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:59, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:::They're all pretty nice. We could sprinkle them throughout the article for flavor. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:15, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:::I would love to see "side Fleet" on the pictureless [[The Fleet (RDM)]] article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:33, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Should I go ahead and upload the Galacticastation versions (576x320), or should we have one of our resident screen capture artists grab something higher quality (DVD or High-def)? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:23, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::Upload the ones you've got, and put a notice on [[Battlestar Wiki:Requested Images|Requested Images]] for higher quality versions. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:20, 12 June 2006 (CDT)

::::::Internal links to:
::::::[[:Image:Mini gal top.jpg|top view]]
::::::[[:Image:Mini gal side viper.jpg|side viper]]
::::::[[:Image:Mini side fleet.jpg|side fleet]]
::::::They're prepped and ready to be added to the gumbo that is the wiki (though they could probably use better tagging, but being from Galacticastation I'm not sure of the original signal source). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:53, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Side viper and top view added. I added them as non-thumbnails in an effort for them to be less intrusive. I left out "side fleet" as that got added to [[the Fleet (RDM)]], but it could be added if somebody wants to make room. We should be careful not to overdo it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:10, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::::: I changed them to thumbs because I think it looks cleaner having a clear delineation between text and image. Revert if you wish and we can talk about it. I also added some kind of place-holder captions, which might be improved upon by someone who has a clearer idea of the purpose of the images are (other than look: a space boat). --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 23:55, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

I added appropriate captions to the thumbs. I'm normally a non-thumb guy as I think we overuse it for pictures where the context is already present and so further captioning is unnecessary, nor do I see the bordering as needed. However, the thumbs here don't detract, so there you go. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:13, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:So is this good to go for "FA"? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:25, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
::I think the article's come a long way; yes, I believe it's ready. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:32, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
What do you guys think of the orthos I added to the bottom. (Thanks Mercifull, I forgot to add back in the bottom one.) --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 17:30, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

:That Starship Modeler booger on the 2nd image annoys me since it wasn't their image in the first place. I'd rather get rid of it or get a clean one (it appears to be merely cropped from the first, anyway). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

== Starboard flight pod ==

[[Image:Starboard_pod.jpg|thumb|''Galactica's'' starboard pod ([[Maelstrom]]).]]
That sure as hell looked like the starboard flight pod during the Adama Maneuver. Anyone agree? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 18:14, 11 November 2006 (CST)
* Not only that, I'm pretty sure I heard a reference in A Measure of Salvation to a landing in the starboard pod. Fair to say it's back in service? [[User:Mr. Random|Mr. Random]] 14:57, 14 November 2006 (CST)
**The launch tubes might be in operation, but the bays are apparently still encased, as seen in a sweeping shot in Maelstrom.--[[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 02:57, 12 January 2008 (CST)
***But Raptors cannot use the launch tubes. Actually although the front of the flightpod is closed, the back has been fully opened up (although there are very few shots of it). By the Episode No Exit the front can be seen as fully open in one new shot of the ship. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 16:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missile tubes ==

I think we should include the missile tubes along with Galactica's other weapon systems. When Adama ordered the Galactica to prepare for the ground strike, he had them load tubes 4 through 10, which means there are at least 10 missile tubes. However the effect shot seemed to show (at least to my current recollection) 2 rows of missile tubes, one of which had every door open but one, which would mean Galactica has 14 tubes, at least. She may have more on the other side of the ship (were the tubes mounted on the top of the hull or the bottom? I couldn't tell.) [[User:Gutter Monkey|Gutter Monkey]] 20:55, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:Top of the ship, and I think it was 12 tubes not 14. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:49, 16 December 2006 (CST)

::Yep, definitely twelve tubes; two rows of six. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 03:58, 17 December 2006 (CST)

:::Good, my eyes aren't failing me (Yet). --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:07, 17 December 2006 (CST)

== Nuclear warhead yield ==

The author of the nuke section considers that by the size of the missiles, their yield could go from 5 to 150 kilotons. Yet, if the missiles are particularly huge, such a low yield is illogical. Not even modern nukes would easily fit in decent compact casings and be capable of delivering many hundreds of kilotons, but if those missile tubes are supposedly large, so would the missiles, and cramming multi-megaton warheads into them would be a cinch. --[[User:Mister Oragahn|Mister Oragahn]] 03:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Armor plating ==

If I recall, the ribs on ''Galactica's'' hull were supposedly covered with armor plating originally. Which would imply that at the time of the First Cylon War it was in place. However, in the first Razor flashback, there was no armor plating, even though the ship was fairly new at the time. Just an oversight maybe, any thoughts? --[[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 22:07, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

: Firstly, this has been floating around the fandom for sometime now. I don't know why, because there's nothing official to back it up; the only things that we know got changed on the Big G were the starboard landing bay for it to become a museum. Actually, as so far as we've been able to tell, the ribs are actually part of the design. This seems to be backed up by [[Lee Stringer]], who worked in the Miniseries. [http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=180&t=8278 From a post he made on MediaBlvd], "In regards to the ribs, I believe that the ribs were always part of the design. In my opinion, they are a defense feature that would protect the Galactica from any incoming missiles unless they approached it from a perpendicular trajectory. Any angular deviation from 90 degrees would have the missile impact the ribs and not the hull underneath."
: Also, I believe the hull armor removal claim was later refuted as well... I just haven't been able to dig that up yet either.
: Either way, the visible ribbing makes wonderful sense, as you don't need a smooth hull in space for the fact that you don't have any atmospheric drag to worry about. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 22:46, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
::I think it comes from the fact that there are some areas on the hull with seemingly incomplete plating. The armor there is, is very irregular. Sometimes it's just a very small slab of metal that seems to have no function, thus appearing incomplete. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

In season 4 the idea that Galactica is not armored is put to rest when we see that she has an inner hull as well as an outer hull; the very nature of an outer hull in that of armor. With this in mind, the ribbing and the top platting is a second and third layer of armor. Though unconfirmed in the series, the idea of the ribbing may be related to real-life Explosive reactive armor used on tanks; the top plating obviously is additional protection over vital areas.--[[User:ViperMkII|ViperMkII]] 23:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Cargo ==

Is it just me, or do the crates and boxes in Galactica's corridors seem to increase in number over time? In the miniseries, there are nearly none, and by Season 3 they seem to be everywhere. Why exactly would this happen? --[[User:Isidis|Isidis]] 14:38, 11 November 2007 (CST)
: I imagine ''Pegasus'' had something to do with that. Also, ''Galactica'' had to house families after [[New Caprica]], so they might have moved stuff around in order to set up living space. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:45, 11 November 2007 (CST)
::I agree. It is probable that things have been moved out of storage rooms to provide bunking space for a ship that not only has the bulk of ''Pegasus'''s old crew, but some VIP civilians, the remainder housed in [[Camp Oil Slick]] as a result of the destruction of ''[[Cloud 9]]'' and several ship's worth of crowded space. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:57, 11 November 2007 (CST)

== Page Cleanup and Organization ==

I've been thinking that with Blood and Chrome finished, leaving us with some new information on ''Galactica'' to digest, that maybe it would be better to try and re-organize her page a little bit in order to prevent "data overload" in some spots. Her first war outfit seems like it could use its own data chart, and I would think it would look nice to split the gallery up too, to highlight the differences in her outfits during her 50+ years in service. Thoughts? - [[user:Frylock86|Frylock86]] 12:41 AM 12/8/12 EST

: Sounds good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:51, 8 December 2012 (EST)

:: The Galactica seen in the Razor Flashbacks has its full hull plating but the same number of Weapons like in the Miniseries. So it must be refitted between B&C and Operation Raptor Talon. And maybe later again. --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 11:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)

::: Well, more than likely, they just reused the CG model they had on hand for the "Razor" flashbacks. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:28, 9 December 2012 (EST)

:::: But thats what we got to see... --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 11:38, 9 December 2012 (EST)

::::: You could say that since these are Adama's "flashbacks", the details were a bit hazy. Bottom line is the B&C configuration is the canonical one pretty much to the end of the war, and a few years beyond the Armistice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 11:58, 9 December 2012 (EST)

:::::: Which leads to another issue. The B&C Galactica was different between the beginning and the end of the movie. Extra guns were added to the side of the nose in addition to the ones from the beginning of the movie, and the extra guns that were along the spine were missing, leaving only the ones from the series. My guess is that they had multiple concepts for the war-era Galactica and accidentally used two of them in different shots, but I haven't seen an official comment yet. So how should that be addressed? Retcon, glitch, refit? -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 13:33, 9 December 2012 (EST)
::::::: We just can call it simply a Continuity error. All of them B&C and Flashbacks designs. --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 14:42, 9 December 2012 (EST)

::::::::Well in the first episode of Blood and Chrome there are two refitted Gal-type ships seen onscreen with a non refitted Galactica so its perfectly reasonable to assume that in the next two years the Gal was refitted before Operation Raptor Talon as other ships of its class are seen to during the war. To me it makes more sence to go by whats shown onscreen than just assume its a continuity error. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 15:44, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Talk:Galactica (TRS)/Archive 1

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==Accidently mucked up this page. Can someone revert it==
Not sure what happened and this talk page has gone crazy. Cann someone revert it to before my edit. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 11:43, 9 December 2012 (EST)
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<p>I enjoy reading about the new Galactica starship and look forward to more details as the series progresses...and to adding my own edits, too.
</p><p>Keep up the good work on this page.
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<dl><dd>On behalf of the rest of the team, thanks! This wiki has grown a lot from the work of a few hundred people and a lot of readers! <a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 22:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
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<h2> Formatting Question </h2>
<p>When formatting the "full name" of <i>Galactica</i> is it:
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<ul><li>...the <i><a _fcknotitle="true" href="Battlestar">Battlestar</a> <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Galactica">Galactica</a></i>
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<p>It seems to me that it should be the second.
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<dl><dd>"<i>Galactica</i>" or "the battlestar <i>Galactica</i>"; never "the <i>Galactica</i>". Battleship and aircraft carrier are not proper nouns, so battlestar isn't either. See <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions#Ships">Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions#Ships</a>. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 20:56, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
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<h2>Tallies</h2>
<p>FYI, I'm working on a fairly major revamp of these, using MASON and Joe's source page idea. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 20:59, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
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<dl><dd>Why does it state that Galactica had 2 squadrons of MKVII's on board the ship at the begining of the series? This would be a big inconsistancy with what we saw in the miniseries.
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<dl><dd>At the decommisioning ceremony we see one squadron of vipers led by Apollo doing a flyby. This squadron leaves the ship for Caprica after the ceremony and is rerouted to engage the cylons.
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<dl><dd>When Starbuck is released from the brig she reports 20 pilots available but no vipers. Adama then orders the MKII's in the museum pressed into service.
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<dl><dd>The squadron of MKVII's led by 'Ripper' is then destroyed by the cylon virus.
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<dl><dd>IF there were 2 squadrons of MKVII's on the ship, where is that second squadron during all of this? It didn't launch with Ripper's squadron and it wasn't available for Starbuck and the other stranded pilots to use. (They didn't know the MKVII's were useless until after the first squadron was destroyed.)
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<dl><dd>It's more likely that the MKVII's we see at Ragnor and later in the series are made up from homeless vipers that were carried to Ragnor with Roslin's fleet, plus a few spares put together from storage aboard Galactica.
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>There are clearly twenty vipers on screen in Ripper's squadron. Galactica is then able to sortie a combined squadron of (roughly) 40 Mk. VIIs and Mk. IIs. This makes perfect sense if Galactica has two squadrons of Mk. VIIs based in its active (port) flight pod, and one squadron of Mk. IIs in the museum (starboard) flight pod.
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>As for pilots, presumably the ones with ships had something better to do than be "climbing the walls down here". It's fairly typical for a military operation to have more pilots than craft in any case, so that's not an issue. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 18:47, 4 December 2005 (EST)
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<p>Well if there was another squadron of MVII's available at the time Starbuck mentions the 20 odd pilots in the ready room, where is that second squadron? If they are sortied after Ripper's mission, they would have been destroyed by the virus. If they're in the tubes waiting for a mission, why didn't they sortie to defend the ship?
</p><p>This second squadron is never seen onscreen or mentioned in dialogue in the miniseries. It's more likely it didn't exist and the later MKVII's are refugees. Those vipers are at least seen on screen once, and later in the series its mentioned that there are some pilots from other battlestars flying off Galactica. (Crashdown is described as a refugee from "Triton", for example.)
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<dl><dd>Crashdown was a Raptor pilot; Raptors have FTL and could go to another system, but I don't think Vipers could easily escape to Ragnar that well (unless, like Apollo, they landed on a nearby Civilian ship with Jump engines then escaped aboard that, but that seems unlikely).--<a href="User:Ricimer">Ricimer</a> 17:50, 7 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>Didn't Doral say during the flyby at the museum that it was performed by the last Galactica squadron. Since this was the squadron led by Ripper, it pretty much precludes a second squadron. Also, there could have been several Mk VIIs in storage, for spares or down for repairs. Maybe there were extra Mk IIs stored in the starboard hanger. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 17:57, 7 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>It is likely that they were unservicable and awaited transfer to a dock after <i>Galactica</i> was officially decomissioned. Also, on the off chance that I might be right, there may have been Vipers on other ships that survived as well. (For instance, there may have been a few were stragglers from earlier engagements, or even patrols that didn't see action during the assault on the Colonies that happened upon Roslin's fleet prior to Ragnar.) Just a thought or three... -- <a href="User:Joe.Beaudoin">Joe Beaudoin</a> 19:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It would be informative to get an actual headcount during the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. I have the launch scene about 2/3 analyzed, and will probably be able to finish it next week, but the video quality of my recording isn't perfect. I'll let you know what I come up with, in any case. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 20:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Oh, one more thing - In the mini, Adama says "I seem to remember an entire squadron of fighters down in the starboard hangar deck yesterday". If there were two squadrons of Mk. IIs, he would've said so. Again, two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (one destroyed) and one squadron of Mk. IIs fits the on-screen evidence nicely. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 17:48, 8 December 2005 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The only problem with that is that the second squadron doesn't seem to show up until the battle at Ragnor. What was it doing all this time? If the count of MKVII's is under 20, it makes sense that the MKVII's at Ragnor were made up of a small group of spares that were put together onboard Galactica along with whatever refugees were picked up by Roslin's fleet. We know for sure that there were at least three MKVII's with that fleet that were shown onscreen.--Dallan007
<dl><dd>Didn't Starbuck's lines in that scene imply that there were no operational fighters. I believe it was something along the lines of "pilots you got, but Vipers..." I think the Mk VIIs they have were straglers the RTFF picked up before they jumped to Ragnar. These could have been on patrol or something and met up with Colonial One et al. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 00:03, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>Maybe the Mk. VII wing wasn't sortied before Ragnar because the systems had to be stripped of Baltar's CNP. There are far too many Mk. VIIs in the Ragnar battle to be anything less than a full wing, though. I'll have a real tally up as soon as I can. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 01:38, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd><dl><dd>They didn't know about the CNP weakness yet. The purging didn't happen until they were at Ragnar, after the first sortie. Remember, it was the same time as Doral was accused of being a Cylon. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 07:09, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>Perhaps, before the first sortie, Gaeta had the remaining Mark VIIs grounded as a precaution since he hears of the malfunctions from Dualla before the fight and makes the association with the CNP (he's bright that way). Or, yes, the Mark VIIs were gathered up in Roslin's search (most probable since Galactica should launch everything they had in sortie 1, and they would rather send Mark VII's than the museum pieces). --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 13:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>The squadron ready room would seem to imply a 20-ship squadron. There are 24 seats in the ready room, 20 pilots plus a few seats for guests like Apollo. Boomer and Helo were flying with the last Mk VII squadron so it would make sense that they would be there in the mini. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 12:27, 13 December 2005 (EST)
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<h2> Redundancy </h2>
<h3> Fleet Details </h3>
<p><b>Designation</b>: warship, battlestar type, <a href="Galactica type battlestar">original battlestar class</a> (class name unknown).
</p><p><b>Deployment</b>: Formerly an element of the <a _fcknotitle="true" href="75th Battlestar Group">75th Battlestar Group</a> (BSG 75)
</p><p><b>Current Status</b>: One of <a href="Pegasus (RDM)">two</a> remaining Colonial military units. <i>Galactica</i> is commanded by <a _fcknotitle="true" href="William Adama">William Adama</a>.
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<h3> Fleet Details Comments </h3>
<p>The only piece of information in that block which is not mentioned before it is the membership is BSG 75; this was an oversight. I'll add mention of it in the paragraph before. The remainder is redundant and shockingly poor in formatting. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>Since you've been around and not commented, Merovingian, I'll pull it. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 01:26, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>I was busy. It's not redundant, and I am restoring it. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 12:46, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>What information does it contain that is not elsewhere in this article? --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 13:55, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>Boxes provide quick and easy referrence. I mean, we wouldn't have a box listing ship class and armaments by that logic. It's fun, and makes it clearer. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 14:24, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>That's not a box. The info box made for the purpose does mention the designation and CO. The BSG 75 thing is at best a curiosity utterly unworthy of quick reference, not that I agree that randomly ordered sentence fragments are actually easier to skim. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 14:36, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
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</dd><dd>Seemed pretty redundant to me. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 17:57, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
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<p>I still want to delete this. It taunts me in my dreams ...well, not quite, but I don't like it. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a><sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar">C</a>-<a href="User talk:CalculatinAvatar">T</a>)</sup> 22:36, 17 May 2006 (CDT)
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<h3>Turrets</h3>
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<i>Galactica's</i> defenses include an array of twenty-four large turret mounted, dual-role twin-cannons, and a multitude of smaller turret mounted twin-guns located between the <i>Galactica's</i> "<a href="Frame">ribs</a>", along the <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Flight pod">Flight pod</a>s. Together, these provide the <i>Galactica</i> with a flak field that acts as a defense perimeter against incoming hostiles (<a _fcknotitle="true" href="Miniseries">Miniseries</a>, "<a _fcknotitle="true" href="Scattered">Scattered</a>"). In addition, the large cannons represent <i>Galactica's</i> main anti-capital ship weapon, and have been shown to be quite effective against targets like <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Basestar">Basestar</a>s ("<a _fcknotitle="true" href="Resurrection Ship, Part II">Resurrection Ship, Part II</a>").
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<h3> Turrets Comments </h3>
<p>I don't mind the picture, though I don't think it adds much. It could be tied to the page simply as an illustration of "Armament" per the title of the larger section.
The composition of the turret armament is discussed on the page for the type. The details on the positioning are slightly incorrect, anyway. That they produce flak is obvious; that the large guns are effective against basestars could be assumed, and, if it must be mentioned, should be mentioned on the page for the type. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>Agree. <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Galactica type battlestar">Galactica type battlestar</a> should host details relevant to the ship class in general. <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Galactica (RDM)">Galactica (RDM)</a> should host information only pertinent to the individual battlestar in question. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 19:46, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
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<h2>Battlestar Group</h2>
<p>See <a href="Talk:Pegasus (RDM)#Battlestar_Group">talk on Pegasus page</a>
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<h2>Improvements for featured article status</h2>
<p>I think that we should make the following minor changes before declaring this a featured article:
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<ul><li>Remove "Fleet Details" section, as this merely duplicates information available in the ship infobox
</li><li>Reconsider the implementation of the "running tallies" section. My objection is mainly based on the fact that the current setup precludes the use of footnotes in this article, and is probably more information than the average user is interested in. I personally feel that we should break each tally into a separate article and link it from the appropriate summary in the equipment section.
</li><li>If, however, we decide keep the running tallies on this page, a simple retitle of the section to "Sources and Rationalle" is necessary. Also, we should seriously consider moving over to the <span class="fck_mw_nowiki" _fck_mw_customtag="true" _fck_mw_tagname="nowiki"><ref></span> tag system, although doing so may make the editing process more cumbersome (with the running tallies scattered throughout the body of the text). --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 17:25, 8 June 2006 (CDT)
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</dd><dd>As for #2 (a or b)... I don't have a strong feeling either way. It does seem to overwhelm the bottom, and any other footnootes would get drowned out. I guess I'd lean towards them becoming subarticles (of either Galactica (RDM) or of their respective topic (Viper (RDM), Raptor, etc)), or maybe to the front of their respective topics (on the main of Viper (RDM) and Raptor). I'll defer to others on this one, though. Also... could the article stand to have perhaps one more external shot of <i>Galactica</i>? For an article about her, she doesn't get much visibility (outside the small shot in the data box and the gallery down below). --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 13:21, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>I agree with SteelViper on #2: if you just move it to another article, but keep a link to the tallies section at the bottom, I have no strong feelings on such a change. (BTW, what do you mean "Rationalle"?). --->However, I have to disagree on "Fleet details": I agree that saying its "designation" and "current status" is already in the box, however, the box doesn't mention what Battlestar Group it (nor does this justify changing the box template, because only this article and Pegasus would have such info): I'm going to change it back to a compromise position and tell me what you think. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 14:04, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>On second thought, nevermind: it already says enough about BSG info in the introductory paragraph. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 14:06, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>That's the EXACT same progression I went through. "Hey, that isn't in the... oh. There it is." --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 14:07, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>I've tried breaking out the Raptor and Viper tallies into their own articles. Let me know what you think; it's easy to revert if people don't like it. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 13:35, 10 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>I didn't see anything wrong with the breakout; I was severely dismayed by the self-argumentative tone in one section of the article (now revised). I've also made significant concision and adjustments as well as adding more links to material that should give the article more <i>ooompf</i>. I may review this again as I'm sure more things here just didn't sit right with me. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 20:27, 10 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>What's left todo on this before "FA" status? Also... any thoughts on my picture thought above? (Another external shot of "Big G" somewhere else on this page?) --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 12:32, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>External shots should be of <i>Galactica</i> doing something recognizably "Galactica-ish", to contrast with the beauty shots in <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Galactica type battlestar">Galactica type battlestar</a>. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 12:38, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>Agreed. I've also gone through the article again and given the language more polish and super-conventionized it. I'm happy with the text, but fresh photos of the Big G moving about would be neat. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 12:54, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>Looking through the "screenshots" category, I wasn't impressed by the selection. I hit Galacticastation for some examples and looked at the mini since I figured they'd feature her prominently there. I found <a href="http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(258).htm">top view</a>, <a href="http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(290).htm">side viper</a>, and <a href="http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(572).htm">side Fleet</a>. Of the three, "side Fleet" is my favorite, but that's a fairly small sample. --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 12:59, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>They're all pretty nice. We could sprinkle them throughout the article for flavor. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 13:15, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I would love to see "side Fleet" on the pictureless <a _fcknotitle="true" href="The Fleet (RDM)">The Fleet (RDM)</a> article. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 13:33, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Should I go ahead and upload the Galacticastation versions (576x320), or should we have one of our resident screen capture artists grab something higher quality (DVD or High-def)? --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 13:23, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Upload the ones you've got, and put a notice on <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Requested Images">Requested Images</a> for higher quality versions. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 18:20, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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</dd><dd>They're prepped and ready to be added to the gumbo that is the wiki (though they could probably use better tagging, but being from Galacticastation I'm not sure of the original signal source). --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 07:53, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>Side viper and top view added. I added them as non-thumbnails in an effort for them to be less intrusive. I left out "side fleet" as that got added to <a _fcknotitle="true" href="The Fleet (RDM)">The Fleet (RDM)</a>, but it could be added if somebody wants to make room. We should be careful not to overdo it. --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 14:10, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>I added appropriate captions to the thumbs. I'm normally a non-thumb guy as I think we overuse it for pictures where the context is already present and so further captioning is unnecessary, nor do I see the bordering as needed. However, the thumbs here don't detract, so there you go. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 09:13, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>So is this good to go for "FA"? --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 10:25, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>I think the article's come a long way; yes, I believe it's ready. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 10:32, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>What do you guys think of the orthos I added to the bottom. (Thanks Mercifull, I forgot to add back in the bottom one.) --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 17:30, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>That Starship Modeler booger on the 2nd image annoys me since it wasn't their image in the first place. I'd rather get rid of it or get a clean one (it appears to be merely cropped from the first, anyway). --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 10:13, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
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<h2> Starboard flight pod </h2>
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That sure as hell looked like the starboard flight pod during the Adama Maneuver. Anyone agree? --<a href="User:Kevin W.">Kevin W.</a> 18:14, 11 November 2006 (CST)
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<ul><li> Not only that, I'm pretty sure I heard a reference in A Measure of Salvation to a landing in the starboard pod. Fair to say it's back in service? <a href="User:Mr. Random">Mr. Random</a> 14:57, 14 November 2006 (CST)
<ul><li>The launch tubes might be in operation, but the bays are apparently still encased, as seen in a sweeping shot in Maelstrom.--<a href="User:Fredmdbud">Fredmdbud</a> 02:57, 12 January 2008 (CST)
<ul><li>But Raptors cannot use the launch tubes. Actually although the front of the flightpod is closed, the back has been fully opened up (although there are very few shots of it). By the Episode No Exit the front can be seen as fully open in one new shot of the ship. <a href="User:VARGR">VARGR</a> 16:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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<h2> Missile tubes </h2>
<p>I think we should include the missile tubes along with Galactica's other weapon systems. When Adama ordered the Galactica to prepare for the ground strike, he had them load tubes 4 through 10, which means there are at least 10 missile tubes. However the effect shot seemed to show (at least to my current recollection) 2 rows of missile tubes, one of which had every door open but one, which would mean Galactica has 14 tubes, at least. She may have more on the other side of the ship (were the tubes mounted on the top of the hull or the bottom? I couldn't tell.) <a href="User:Gutter Monkey">Gutter Monkey</a> 20:55, 16 December 2006 (CST)
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<dl><dd>Top of the ship, and I think it was 12 tubes not 14. --<a href="User:BklynBruzer">BklynBruzer</a> 22:49, 16 December 2006 (CST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>Yep, definitely twelve tubes; two rows of six. --<a href="User:Madbrood">Madbrood</a> 03:58, 17 December 2006 (CST)
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<h2> Nuclear warhead yield </h2>
<p>The author of the nuke section considers that by the size of the missiles, their yield could go from 5 to 150 kilotons. Yet, if the missiles are particularly huge, such a low yield is illogical. Not even modern nukes would easily fit in decent compact casings and be capable of delivering many hundreds of kilotons, but if those missile tubes are supposedly large, so would the missiles, and cramming multi-megaton warheads into them would be a cinch. --<a href="User:Mister Oragahn">Mister Oragahn</a> 03:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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<h2> Armor plating </h2>
<p>If I recall, the ribs on <i>Galactica's</i> hull were supposedly covered with armor plating originally. Which would imply that at the time of the First Cylon War it was in place. However, in the first Razor flashback, there was no armor plating, even though the ship was fairly new at the time. Just an oversight maybe, any thoughts? --<a href="User:Maserati1945">Maserati1945</a> 22:07, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
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<dl><dd> Firstly, this has been floating around the fandom for sometime now. I don't know why, because there's nothing official to back it up; the only things that we know got changed on the Big G were the starboard landing bay for it to become a museum. Actually, as so far as we've been able to tell, the ribs are actually part of the design. This seems to be backed up by <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Lee Stringer">Lee Stringer</a>, who worked in the Miniseries. <a href="http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=180&t=8278">From a post he made on MediaBlvd</a>, "In regards to the ribs, I believe that the ribs were always part of the design. In my opinion, they are a defense feature that would protect the Galactica from any incoming missiles unless they approached it from a perpendicular trajectory. Any angular deviation from 90 degrees would have the missile impact the ribs and not the hull underneath."
</dd><dd> Also, I believe the hull armor removal claim was later refuted as well... I just haven't been able to dig that up yet either.
</dd><dd> Either way, the visible ribbing makes wonderful sense, as you don't need a smooth hull in space for the fact that you don't have any atmospheric drag to worry about. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a> - <a href="http://www.sanctuarywiki.org">Sanctuary Wiki — <i>New</i></a></sup> 22:46, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
<dl><dd>I think it comes from the fact that there are some areas on the hull with seemingly incomplete plating. The armor there is, is very irregular. Sometimes it's just a very small slab of metal that seems to have no function, thus appearing incomplete. --<a href="User:Serenity">Serenity</a> 01:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
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<p>In season 4 the idea that Galactica is not armored is put to rest when we see that she has an inner hull as well as an outer hull; the very nature of an outer hull in that of armor. With this in mind, the ribbing and the top platting is a second and third layer of armor. Though unconfirmed in the series, the idea of the ribbing may be related to real-life Explosive reactive armor used on tanks; the top plating obviously is additional protection over vital areas.--<a href="User:ViperMkII">ViperMkII</a> 23:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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<h2> Cargo </h2>
<p>Is it just me, or do the crates and boxes in Galactica's corridors seem to increase in number over time? In the miniseries, there are nearly none, and by Season 3 they seem to be everywhere. Why exactly would this happen? --<a href="User:Isidis">Isidis</a> 14:38, 11 November 2007 (CST)
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<dl><dd> I imagine <i>Pegasus</i> had something to do with that. Also, <i>Galactica</i> had to house families after <a _fcknotitle="true" href="New Caprica">New Caprica</a>, so they might have moved stuff around in order to set up living space. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a> - <a href="http://www.sanctuarywiki.org">Sanctuary Wiki — <i>New</i></a></sup> 14:45, 11 November 2007 (CST)
<dl><dd>I agree. It is probable that things have been moved out of storage rooms to provide bunking space for a ship that not only has the bulk of <i>Pegasus'</i>s old crew, but some VIP civilians, the remainder housed in <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Camp Oil Slick">Camp Oil Slick</a> as a result of the destruction of <i><a _fcknotitle="true" href="Cloud 9">Cloud 9</a></i> and several ship's worth of crowded space. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 14:57, 11 November 2007 (CST)
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<h2> Page Cleanup and Organization </h2>
<p>I've been thinking that with Blood and Chrome finished, leaving us with some new information on <i>Galactica</i> to digest, that maybe it would be better to try and re-organize her page a little bit in order to prevent "data overload" in some spots. Her first war outfit seems like it could use its own data chart, and I would think it would look nice to split the gallery up too, to highlight the differences in her outfits during her 50+ years in service. Thoughts? - <a href="User:Frylock86">Frylock86</a> 12:41 AM 12/8/12 EST
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<dl><dd> Sounds good. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a></sup> 00:51, 8 December 2012 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd> The Galactica seen in the Razor Flashbacks has its full hull plating but the same number of Weapons like in the Miniseries. So it must be refitted between B&C and Operation Raptor Talon. And maybe later again. --<a href="User:Enabran">Enabran</a> 11:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd> Well, more than likely, they just reused the CG model they had on hand for the "Razor" flashbacks. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a></sup> 11:28, 9 December 2012 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd> But thats what we got to see... --<a href="User:Enabran">Enabran</a> 11:38, 9 December 2012 (EST)
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Talk:Galactica (TRS)/Archive 1

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<p>I enjoy reading about the new Galactica starship and look forward to more details as the series progresses...and to adding my own edits, too.
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<dl><dd>On behalf of the rest of the team, thanks! This wiki has grown a lot from the work of a few hundred people and a lot of readers! <a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 22:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
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<h2> Formatting Question </h2>
<p>When formatting the "full name" of <i>Galactica</i> is it:
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<p>It seems to me that it should be the second.
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<dl><dd>"<i>Galactica</i>" or "the battlestar <i>Galactica</i>"; never "the <i>Galactica</i>". Battleship and aircraft carrier are not proper nouns, so battlestar isn't either. See <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions#Ships">Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions#Ships</a>. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 20:56, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
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<h2>Tallies</h2>
<p>FYI, I'm working on a fairly major revamp of these, using MASON and Joe's source page idea. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 20:59, 17 October 2005 (EDT)
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<dl><dd>Why does it state that Galactica had 2 squadrons of MKVII's on board the ship at the begining of the series? This would be a big inconsistancy with what we saw in the miniseries.
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<dl><dd>At the decommisioning ceremony we see one squadron of vipers led by Apollo doing a flyby. This squadron leaves the ship for Caprica after the ceremony and is rerouted to engage the cylons.
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<dl><dd>When Starbuck is released from the brig she reports 20 pilots available but no vipers. Adama then orders the MKII's in the museum pressed into service.
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<dl><dd>The squadron of MKVII's led by 'Ripper' is then destroyed by the cylon virus.
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<dl><dd>IF there were 2 squadrons of MKVII's on the ship, where is that second squadron during all of this? It didn't launch with Ripper's squadron and it wasn't available for Starbuck and the other stranded pilots to use. (They didn't know the MKVII's were useless until after the first squadron was destroyed.)
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<dl><dd>It's more likely that the MKVII's we see at Ragnor and later in the series are made up from homeless vipers that were carried to Ragnor with Roslin's fleet, plus a few spares put together from storage aboard Galactica.
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>There are clearly twenty vipers on screen in Ripper's squadron. Galactica is then able to sortie a combined squadron of (roughly) 40 Mk. VIIs and Mk. IIs. This makes perfect sense if Galactica has two squadrons of Mk. VIIs based in its active (port) flight pod, and one squadron of Mk. IIs in the museum (starboard) flight pod.
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>As for pilots, presumably the ones with ships had something better to do than be "climbing the walls down here". It's fairly typical for a military operation to have more pilots than craft in any case, so that's not an issue. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 18:47, 4 December 2005 (EST)
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<p>Well if there was another squadron of MVII's available at the time Starbuck mentions the 20 odd pilots in the ready room, where is that second squadron? If they are sortied after Ripper's mission, they would have been destroyed by the virus. If they're in the tubes waiting for a mission, why didn't they sortie to defend the ship?
</p><p>This second squadron is never seen onscreen or mentioned in dialogue in the miniseries. It's more likely it didn't exist and the later MKVII's are refugees. Those vipers are at least seen on screen once, and later in the series its mentioned that there are some pilots from other battlestars flying off Galactica. (Crashdown is described as a refugee from "Triton", for example.)
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<dl><dd>Crashdown was a Raptor pilot; Raptors have FTL and could go to another system, but I don't think Vipers could easily escape to Ragnar that well (unless, like Apollo, they landed on a nearby Civilian ship with Jump engines then escaped aboard that, but that seems unlikely).--<a href="User:Ricimer">Ricimer</a> 17:50, 7 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>Didn't Doral say during the flyby at the museum that it was performed by the last Galactica squadron. Since this was the squadron led by Ripper, it pretty much precludes a second squadron. Also, there could have been several Mk VIIs in storage, for spares or down for repairs. Maybe there were extra Mk IIs stored in the starboard hanger. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 17:57, 7 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>It is likely that they were unservicable and awaited transfer to a dock after <i>Galactica</i> was officially decomissioned. Also, on the off chance that I might be right, there may have been Vipers on other ships that survived as well. (For instance, there may have been a few were stragglers from earlier engagements, or even patrols that didn't see action during the assault on the Colonies that happened upon Roslin's fleet prior to Ragnar.) Just a thought or three... -- <a href="User:Joe.Beaudoin">Joe Beaudoin</a> 19:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>It would be informative to get an actual headcount during the Battle of Ragnar Anchorage. I have the launch scene about 2/3 analyzed, and will probably be able to finish it next week, but the video quality of my recording isn't perfect. I'll let you know what I come up with, in any case. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 20:33, 7 December 2005 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Oh, one more thing - In the mini, Adama says "I seem to remember an entire squadron of fighters down in the starboard hangar deck yesterday". If there were two squadrons of Mk. IIs, he would've said so. Again, two squadrons of Mk. VIIs (one destroyed) and one squadron of Mk. IIs fits the on-screen evidence nicely. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 17:48, 8 December 2005 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>The only problem with that is that the second squadron doesn't seem to show up until the battle at Ragnor. What was it doing all this time? If the count of MKVII's is under 20, it makes sense that the MKVII's at Ragnor were made up of a small group of spares that were put together onboard Galactica along with whatever refugees were picked up by Roslin's fleet. We know for sure that there were at least three MKVII's with that fleet that were shown onscreen.--Dallan007
<dl><dd>Didn't Starbuck's lines in that scene imply that there were no operational fighters. I believe it was something along the lines of "pilots you got, but Vipers..." I think the Mk VIIs they have were straglers the RTFF picked up before they jumped to Ragnar. These could have been on patrol or something and met up with Colonial One et al. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 00:03, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>Maybe the Mk. VII wing wasn't sortied before Ragnar because the systems had to be stripped of Baltar's CNP. There are far too many Mk. VIIs in the Ragnar battle to be anything less than a full wing, though. I'll have a real tally up as soon as I can. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 01:38, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd><dl><dd>They didn't know about the CNP weakness yet. The purging didn't happen until they were at Ragnar, after the first sortie. Remember, it was the same time as Doral was accused of being a Cylon. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 07:09, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>Perhaps, before the first sortie, Gaeta had the remaining Mark VIIs grounded as a precaution since he hears of the malfunctions from Dualla before the fight and makes the association with the CNP (he's bright that way). Or, yes, the Mark VIIs were gathered up in Roslin's search (most probable since Galactica should launch everything they had in sortie 1, and they would rather send Mark VII's than the museum pieces). --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 13:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
<dl><dd>The squadron ready room would seem to imply a 20-ship squadron. There are 24 seats in the ready room, 20 pilots plus a few seats for guests like Apollo. Boomer and Helo were flying with the last Mk VII squadron so it would make sense that they would be there in the mini. --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 12:27, 13 December 2005 (EST)
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<h2> Redundancy </h2>
<h3> Fleet Details </h3>
<p><b>Designation</b>: warship, battlestar type, <a href="Galactica type battlestar">original battlestar class</a> (class name unknown).
</p><p><b>Deployment</b>: Formerly an element of the <a _fcknotitle="true" href="75th Battlestar Group">75th Battlestar Group</a> (BSG 75)
</p><p><b>Current Status</b>: One of <a href="Pegasus (RDM)">two</a> remaining Colonial military units. <i>Galactica</i> is commanded by <a _fcknotitle="true" href="William Adama">William Adama</a>.
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<h3> Fleet Details Comments </h3>
<p>The only piece of information in that block which is not mentioned before it is the membership is BSG 75; this was an oversight. I'll add mention of it in the paragraph before. The remainder is redundant and shockingly poor in formatting. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>Since you've been around and not commented, Merovingian, I'll pull it. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 01:26, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>I was busy. It's not redundant, and I am restoring it. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 12:46, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>What information does it contain that is not elsewhere in this article? --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 13:55, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>Boxes provide quick and easy referrence. I mean, we wouldn't have a box listing ship class and armaments by that logic. It's fun, and makes it clearer. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 14:24, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>That's not a box. The info box made for the purpose does mention the designation and CO. The BSG 75 thing is at best a curiosity utterly unworthy of quick reference, not that I agree that randomly ordered sentence fragments are actually easier to skim. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 14:36, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
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</dd><dd>Seemed pretty redundant to me. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 17:57, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
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<p>I still want to delete this. It taunts me in my dreams ...well, not quite, but I don't like it. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a><sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar">C</a>-<a href="User talk:CalculatinAvatar">T</a>)</sup> 22:36, 17 May 2006 (CDT)
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<h3>Turrets</h3>
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<i>Galactica's</i> defenses include an array of twenty-four large turret mounted, dual-role twin-cannons, and a multitude of smaller turret mounted twin-guns located between the <i>Galactica's</i> "<a href="Frame">ribs</a>", along the <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Flight pod">Flight pod</a>s. Together, these provide the <i>Galactica</i> with a flak field that acts as a defense perimeter against incoming hostiles (<a _fcknotitle="true" href="Miniseries">Miniseries</a>, "<a _fcknotitle="true" href="Scattered">Scattered</a>"). In addition, the large cannons represent <i>Galactica's</i> main anti-capital ship weapon, and have been shown to be quite effective against targets like <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Basestar">Basestar</a>s ("<a _fcknotitle="true" href="Resurrection Ship, Part II">Resurrection Ship, Part II</a>").
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<h3> Turrets Comments </h3>
<p>I don't mind the picture, though I don't think it adds much. It could be tied to the page simply as an illustration of "Armament" per the title of the larger section.
The composition of the turret armament is discussed on the page for the type. The details on the positioning are slightly incorrect, anyway. That they produce flak is obvious; that the large guns are effective against basestars could be assumed, and, if it must be mentioned, should be mentioned on the page for the type. --<a href="User:CalculatinAvatar">CalculatinAvatar</a> 16:09, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>Agree. <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Galactica type battlestar">Galactica type battlestar</a> should host details relevant to the ship class in general. <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Galactica (RDM)">Galactica (RDM)</a> should host information only pertinent to the individual battlestar in question. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 19:46, 19 April 2006 (CDT)
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<h2>Battlestar Group</h2>
<p>See <a href="Talk:Pegasus (RDM)#Battlestar_Group">talk on Pegasus page</a>
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<h2>Improvements for featured article status</h2>
<p>I think that we should make the following minor changes before declaring this a featured article:
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<ul><li>Remove "Fleet Details" section, as this merely duplicates information available in the ship infobox
</li><li>Reconsider the implementation of the "running tallies" section. My objection is mainly based on the fact that the current setup precludes the use of footnotes in this article, and is probably more information than the average user is interested in. I personally feel that we should break each tally into a separate article and link it from the appropriate summary in the equipment section.
</li><li>If, however, we decide keep the running tallies on this page, a simple retitle of the section to "Sources and Rationalle" is necessary. Also, we should seriously consider moving over to the <span class="fck_mw_nowiki" _fck_mw_customtag="true" _fck_mw_tagname="nowiki"><ref></span> tag system, although doing so may make the editing process more cumbersome (with the running tallies scattered throughout the body of the text). --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 17:25, 8 June 2006 (CDT)
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</dd><dd>As for #2 (a or b)... I don't have a strong feeling either way. It does seem to overwhelm the bottom, and any other footnootes would get drowned out. I guess I'd lean towards them becoming subarticles (of either Galactica (RDM) or of their respective topic (Viper (RDM), Raptor, etc)), or maybe to the front of their respective topics (on the main of Viper (RDM) and Raptor). I'll defer to others on this one, though. Also... could the article stand to have perhaps one more external shot of <i>Galactica</i>? For an article about her, she doesn't get much visibility (outside the small shot in the data box and the gallery down below). --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 13:21, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>I agree with SteelViper on #2: if you just move it to another article, but keep a link to the tallies section at the bottom, I have no strong feelings on such a change. (BTW, what do you mean "Rationalle"?). --->However, I have to disagree on "Fleet details": I agree that saying its "designation" and "current status" is already in the box, however, the box doesn't mention what Battlestar Group it (nor does this justify changing the box template, because only this article and Pegasus would have such info): I'm going to change it back to a compromise position and tell me what you think. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 14:04, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>On second thought, nevermind: it already says enough about BSG info in the introductory paragraph. --<a href="User:The Merovingian">The Merovingian</a> <sup>(<a href="Special:Contributions/The Merovingian">C</a> - <a href="Special:Editcount/The Merovingian">E</a>)</sup> 14:06, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>That's the EXACT same progression I went through. "Hey, that isn't in the... oh. There it is." --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 14:07, 9 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>I've tried breaking out the Raptor and Viper tallies into their own articles. Let me know what you think; it's easy to revert if people don't like it. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 13:35, 10 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>I didn't see anything wrong with the breakout; I was severely dismayed by the self-argumentative tone in one section of the article (now revised). I've also made significant concision and adjustments as well as adding more links to material that should give the article more <i>ooompf</i>. I may review this again as I'm sure more things here just didn't sit right with me. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 20:27, 10 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>What's left todo on this before "FA" status? Also... any thoughts on my picture thought above? (Another external shot of "Big G" somewhere else on this page?) --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 12:32, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>External shots should be of <i>Galactica</i> doing something recognizably "Galactica-ish", to contrast with the beauty shots in <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Galactica type battlestar">Galactica type battlestar</a>. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 12:38, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>Agreed. I've also gone through the article again and given the language more polish and super-conventionized it. I'm happy with the text, but fresh photos of the Big G moving about would be neat. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 12:54, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>Looking through the "screenshots" category, I wasn't impressed by the selection. I hit Galacticastation for some examples and looked at the mini since I figured they'd feature her prominently there. I found <a href="http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(258).htm">top view</a>, <a href="http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(290).htm">side viper</a>, and <a href="http://www.galacticastation.com/Galactica%20Station/Screencaps/mini/001%20(572).htm">side Fleet</a>. Of the three, "side Fleet" is my favorite, but that's a fairly small sample. --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 12:59, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>They're all pretty nice. We could sprinkle them throughout the article for flavor. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 13:15, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>I would love to see "side Fleet" on the pictureless <a _fcknotitle="true" href="The Fleet (RDM)">The Fleet (RDM)</a> article. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 13:33, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Should I go ahead and upload the Galacticastation versions (576x320), or should we have one of our resident screen capture artists grab something higher quality (DVD or High-def)? --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 13:23, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Upload the ones you've got, and put a notice on <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Requested Images">Requested Images</a> for higher quality versions. --<a href="User:Peter Farago">Peter Farago</a> 18:20, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
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</dd><dd>They're prepped and ready to be added to the gumbo that is the wiki (though they could probably use better tagging, but being from Galacticastation I'm not sure of the original signal source). --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 07:53, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>Side viper and top view added. I added them as non-thumbnails in an effort for them to be less intrusive. I left out "side fleet" as that got added to <a _fcknotitle="true" href="The Fleet (RDM)">The Fleet (RDM)</a>, but it could be added if somebody wants to make room. We should be careful not to overdo it. --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 14:10, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd> I changed them to thumbs because I think it looks cleaner having a clear delineation between text and image. Revert if you wish and we can talk about it. I also added some kind of place-holder captions, which might be improved upon by someone who has a clearer idea of the purpose of the images are (other than look: a space boat). --<a href="User:Day">Day</a> <sup>(<a href="User talk:Day">Talk</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard">Admin</a>)</sup> 23:55, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>I added appropriate captions to the thumbs. I'm normally a non-thumb guy as I think we overuse it for pictures where the context is already present and so further captioning is unnecessary, nor do I see the bordering as needed. However, the thumbs here don't detract, so there you go. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 09:13, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>So is this good to go for "FA"? --<a href="User:Steelviper">Steelviper</a> 10:25, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
<dl><dd>I think the article's come a long way; yes, I believe it's ready. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 10:32, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
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<p>What do you guys think of the orthos I added to the bottom. (Thanks Mercifull, I forgot to add back in the bottom one.) --<a href="User:Talos">Talos</a> 17:30, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
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<dl><dd>That Starship Modeler booger on the 2nd image annoys me since it wasn't their image in the first place. I'd rather get rid of it or get a clean one (it appears to be merely cropped from the first, anyway). --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 10:13, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
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<h2> Starboard flight pod </h2>
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That sure as hell looked like the starboard flight pod during the Adama Maneuver. Anyone agree? --<a href="User:Kevin W.">Kevin W.</a> 18:14, 11 November 2006 (CST)
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<ul><li> Not only that, I'm pretty sure I heard a reference in A Measure of Salvation to a landing in the starboard pod. Fair to say it's back in service? <a href="User:Mr. Random">Mr. Random</a> 14:57, 14 November 2006 (CST)
<ul><li>The launch tubes might be in operation, but the bays are apparently still encased, as seen in a sweeping shot in Maelstrom.--<a href="User:Fredmdbud">Fredmdbud</a> 02:57, 12 January 2008 (CST)
<ul><li>But Raptors cannot use the launch tubes. Actually although the front of the flightpod is closed, the back has been fully opened up (although there are very few shots of it). By the Episode No Exit the front can be seen as fully open in one new shot of the ship. <a href="User:VARGR">VARGR</a> 16:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
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<h2> Missile tubes </h2>
<p>I think we should include the missile tubes along with Galactica's other weapon systems. When Adama ordered the Galactica to prepare for the ground strike, he had them load tubes 4 through 10, which means there are at least 10 missile tubes. However the effect shot seemed to show (at least to my current recollection) 2 rows of missile tubes, one of which had every door open but one, which would mean Galactica has 14 tubes, at least. She may have more on the other side of the ship (were the tubes mounted on the top of the hull or the bottom? I couldn't tell.) <a href="User:Gutter Monkey">Gutter Monkey</a> 20:55, 16 December 2006 (CST)
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<dl><dd>Top of the ship, and I think it was 12 tubes not 14. --<a href="User:BklynBruzer">BklynBruzer</a> 22:49, 16 December 2006 (CST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd>Yep, definitely twelve tubes; two rows of six. --<a href="User:Madbrood">Madbrood</a> 03:58, 17 December 2006 (CST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd>Good, my eyes aren't failing me (Yet). --<a href="User:BklynBruzer">BklynBruzer</a> 13:07, 17 December 2006 (CST)
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<h2> Nuclear warhead yield </h2>
<p>The author of the nuke section considers that by the size of the missiles, their yield could go from 5 to 150 kilotons. Yet, if the missiles are particularly huge, such a low yield is illogical. Not even modern nukes would easily fit in decent compact casings and be capable of delivering many hundreds of kilotons, but if those missile tubes are supposedly large, so would the missiles, and cramming multi-megaton warheads into them would be a cinch. --<a href="User:Mister Oragahn">Mister Oragahn</a> 03:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
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<h2> Armor plating </h2>
<p>If I recall, the ribs on <i>Galactica's</i> hull were supposedly covered with armor plating originally. Which would imply that at the time of the First Cylon War it was in place. However, in the first Razor flashback, there was no armor plating, even though the ship was fairly new at the time. Just an oversight maybe, any thoughts? --<a href="User:Maserati1945">Maserati1945</a> 22:07, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
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<dl><dd> Firstly, this has been floating around the fandom for sometime now. I don't know why, because there's nothing official to back it up; the only things that we know got changed on the Big G were the starboard landing bay for it to become a museum. Actually, as so far as we've been able to tell, the ribs are actually part of the design. This seems to be backed up by <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Lee Stringer">Lee Stringer</a>, who worked in the Miniseries. <a href="http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=180&t=8278">From a post he made on MediaBlvd</a>, "In regards to the ribs, I believe that the ribs were always part of the design. In my opinion, they are a defense feature that would protect the Galactica from any incoming missiles unless they approached it from a perpendicular trajectory. Any angular deviation from 90 degrees would have the missile impact the ribs and not the hull underneath."
</dd><dd> Also, I believe the hull armor removal claim was later refuted as well... I just haven't been able to dig that up yet either.
</dd><dd> Either way, the visible ribbing makes wonderful sense, as you don't need a smooth hull in space for the fact that you don't have any atmospheric drag to worry about. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a> - <a href="http://www.sanctuarywiki.org">Sanctuary Wiki — <i>New</i></a></sup> 22:46, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
<dl><dd>I think it comes from the fact that there are some areas on the hull with seemingly incomplete plating. The armor there is, is very irregular. Sometimes it's just a very small slab of metal that seems to have no function, thus appearing incomplete. --<a href="User:Serenity">Serenity</a> 01:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
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<p>In season 4 the idea that Galactica is not armored is put to rest when we see that she has an inner hull as well as an outer hull; the very nature of an outer hull in that of armor. With this in mind, the ribbing and the top platting is a second and third layer of armor. Though unconfirmed in the series, the idea of the ribbing may be related to real-life Explosive reactive armor used on tanks; the top plating obviously is additional protection over vital areas.--<a href="User:ViperMkII">ViperMkII</a> 23:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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<h2> Cargo </h2>
<p>Is it just me, or do the crates and boxes in Galactica's corridors seem to increase in number over time? In the miniseries, there are nearly none, and by Season 3 they seem to be everywhere. Why exactly would this happen? --<a href="User:Isidis">Isidis</a> 14:38, 11 November 2007 (CST)
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<dl><dd> I imagine <i>Pegasus</i> had something to do with that. Also, <i>Galactica</i> had to house families after <a _fcknotitle="true" href="New Caprica">New Caprica</a>, so they might have moved stuff around in order to set up living space. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a> - <a href="http://www.sanctuarywiki.org">Sanctuary Wiki — <i>New</i></a></sup> 14:45, 11 November 2007 (CST)
<dl><dd>I agree. It is probable that things have been moved out of storage rooms to provide bunking space for a ship that not only has the bulk of <i>Pegasus'</i>s old crew, but some VIP civilians, the remainder housed in <a _fcknotitle="true" href="Camp Oil Slick">Camp Oil Slick</a> as a result of the destruction of <i><a _fcknotitle="true" href="Cloud 9">Cloud 9</a></i> and several ship's worth of crowded space. --<a href="User:Spencerian">Spencerian</a> 14:57, 11 November 2007 (CST)
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<h2> Page Cleanup and Organization </h2>
<p>I've been thinking that with Blood and Chrome finished, leaving us with some new information on <i>Galactica</i> to digest, that maybe it would be better to try and re-organize her page a little bit in order to prevent "data overload" in some spots. Her first war outfit seems like it could use its own data chart, and I would think it would look nice to split the gallery up too, to highlight the differences in her outfits during her 50+ years in service. Thoughts? - <a href="User:Frylock86">Frylock86</a> 12:41 AM 12/8/12 EST
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<dl><dd> Sounds good. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a></sup> 00:51, 8 December 2012 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd> The Galactica seen in the Razor Flashbacks has its full hull plating but the same number of Weapons like in the Miniseries. So it must be refitted between B&C and Operation Raptor Talon. And maybe later again. --<a href="User:Enabran">Enabran</a> 11:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd> Well, more than likely, they just reused the CG model they had on hand for the "Razor" flashbacks. -- <a href="User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">Joe Beaudoin</a> <sup><a href="User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.">So say we all</a> - <a href="Battlestar Wiki:Site support">Donate</a></sup> 11:28, 9 December 2012 (EST)
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<dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd><dl><dd> But thats what we got to see... --<a href="User:Enabran">Enabran</a> 11:38, 9 December 2012 (EST)
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Basestar (TRS)

2012-12-09T03:21:23Z

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:''This article is about the basestars as seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]]. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''

A '''basestar''' (known interchangeably as a "baseship") is the most prominent example of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] military presence. As the capital ship of the Cylons, the basestar appears in four forms in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

== Modern basestar ==
{{Ship Data
| image= Basestar.jpg
| title= Modern basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Humanoid Cylon]]s, [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, Raiders, [[Heavy Raider]]s
| width={{Meters2Feet|1030.69}}<ref>The following was posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available: "Width: 1030.69m Length: 856.1m (two arm side) + 1039.87m (single arm side) Height: 132.586m (Each Piece), 265.172m Total". Because of its ratio to the stated width, the overall length must have been measured on one of the three-arm pieces, meaning the full ship is slightly longer.</ref>
| height={{Meters2Feet|265.17}}
| img= Y}}
The modern basestars, seen some 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]], are approximately the same size as a Colonial battlestar but appear to be more technologically advanced <ref>The official SciFi.com website indicates that basestars "dwarf" a battlestar. However, aired information in season 3, which shows ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' in close proximity to a basestar, contradict SciFi.com's information.</ref>. The shape of the newer basestar reflects its name, with two Y-shaped hulls attached at their centers by a single pylon, the warship has a distinctive "star" shape.

They are equipped with a superior [[FTL|jump system]] and no visible means of [[sublight propulsion]], lacking any engine pods or nacelles, but remain capable of chasing down a battlestar ([[TRS]]: "[[Exodus, Part II]]"). They can rotate their upper and lower halves into a tandem-Y configuration for entry into a planetary atmosphere ([[TRS]]: "[[The Plan]]").<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAEmuwZY5Q From 1:49 to 2:04]</ref>

Basestars operate a fleet of small fighters, known as [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]], and are capable of deploying hundreds of these ships simultaneously (see [[#Related Imagery|Related Imagery]]). The enormous number of Raiders serves as a basestar's primary defense system.

Like the Raiders, the basestars are partially [[Cylon organic resin|organic]], which is particularly evident in their landing bays ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"). When severely damaged, they can sustain large, fleshy [[:image:Basestar Wound Closeup.png|"wounds"]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Faith]]"). Moreover, [[Natalie]] mentions that their damaged baseship can heal itself ([[TRS]]: "[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]").

The baseships possess several conventional rooms and hallways, which are sleek but generally bland. Lighting plays a large role in the aesthetics and some rooms are furnished with clearly human objects, such as beds and couches. Humanoid Cylons [[Projection|project different surroundings]] to navigate ship corridors more easily, and to provide them with an individually pleasing environment (such as a lush forest). Data and other functions (such as analyzing visual information) are handled within a liquid computer interface that resembles a stream of water flowing over a luminous glass surface. Cylons can [[Data-font|interact with the main computer by placing their hands in these basins]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").

===Command and Control===
[[Image:Basestarcontol_306_720p.png|thumb|left|Baseship control room ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").]]
A basestar is operated by many [[humanoid Cylon]]s. Up to [[Torn|all seven models]] of them issue commands for the basestar from a central command and control center. Consensus amongst models is the typical procedure, as such the process of deliberation and voting on decisions may cause the basestar to react more slowly than a battlestar's command and control in a [[CIC]].

A basestar's functions are managed by a partially [[Hybrid|humanoid Cylon]] incorporated into the ship, known as a [[Hybrid]]. The Hybrid, for all respects of identity and control, ''is'' the basestar. The ship is an extension of her body and she is the ship's mind. The Hybrid, despite its humanoid appearance, is not a considered a fellow humanoid Cylon and lacks voting power as other agents have in Cylon affairs.

A basestar has a [[datastream]], or computer network, which interfaces with the Hybrid and all aspects of the basestar's operation.

===Armaments===
[[Image:Basestar fires missiles, "He That Believeth In Me".jpg|thumb|left|Basestar launching missiles ([[TRS]]: "[[He That Believeth In Me]]").]]
A basestar is capable of launching conventional or nuclear missiles from 220 turret launchers mounted throughout the arms and central axis <ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery Season 3 (Collaborators) and onward]</ref><ref>[http://darthmojo.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/baseship_wallpaper.jpg]</ref><ref>[http://media.battlestarwiki.org/images/a/a3/Basestar_Weapon_Mod.JPG An image of one y structure. Two make up a basestar.]</ref> that pivot to allow the basestar to fire in any direction<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>. Basestar-launched nuclear strikes against Colonial ships are usually carried out before Raider deployment. One example of a Cylon nuclear attack involved three Cylon basestars that [[Battle of the Binary Star System|ambush]] the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]''. They open their attack firing several nuclear missiles before deploying Raiders and switching to a non-nuclear salvo ([[TRS]]: "[[The Captain's Hand]]").

A basestar's complement of Raiders is estimated as high as 792 fighters<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 56.</ref>, not counting fighters in repair or otherwise off-line. It should be noted that there are a total of 864 Raider launch slots on the arms of a pre-retconned Basestar. <ref>[http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kg_cg_ns_basestar-067.jpg multiply total by two]</ref> In comparison, the retconned Basestar has only 434 Raider launch slots, a dramatic decrease from the previous version.<ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=149903 larger section, multiply by 2: 5 rows of 17 slots, and 2 rows of 7 slots]</ref><ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=si&img=131194 smaller section, multiply by 4: 59 total slots]</ref>

This tactic, along with the massive numbers of Raiders that a basestar can unleash, suggest a reliance on overwhelming force to destroy a foe. It is probable that basestars use nuclear weapons to destroy the bulk of the [[Colonial Fleet (TRS)|Colonial Fleet]] (using their [[CNP]] back-doors to compromise their defenses first) in the opening wave of their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Colonies]].

After the Colonial commanders draw away their Raider wings, [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|two basestars are torn apart]] by the kinetic guns of the battlestars ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. It would seem that that basestars rely heavily on their Raiders for close-range gun defense. Since a basestar does not appear to have point-defense batteries, or heavy armoring<ref>Intelligence Debrief: Cylon Basestar, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine", June/July 2006, page 57.</ref>, it seems quite vulnerable to battlestars in close-range combat when fighter support is not prominent ([[TRS]]: "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]"). From this, it can be theorized that basestars are designed primarily as carriers for the massive fleet of Raiders they carry, rather than as a front-line main battleship. Their reliance on long-distance attacks with missiles and their complement of Raiders, as well as their overall fragility seem to support this.

It would also appear that basestars possess an automated self-destruct system that triggers in the event that no living Cylons remain aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").

=== Notes ===
*Beginning with the episode "[[Collaborators]]", a [[:Image:Change.jpg|new exterior design]] is used for the basestars, bearing a sharper, more mechanical look than they previously had. This was apparently an upgrade by the visual effects crew to make the exterior reflect the interior design, which is seen for the first time in that episode.
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== Rebel basestar ==
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| title= Rebel basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Humanoid Cylon]]s, [[Cylon Centurion]]s, the [[Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, [[Heavy Raider]]s, at least 3 Raiders
| status= Somewhere in space under the command of freed Centurions
| img=
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This basestar belonged to the rebel Cylon faction comprising of all [[Number Two|Two]], [[Number Six|Six]] and [[Number Eight|Eight]] models apart from [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], as well as the last remaining [[Number Three|Three]] copy later on. The basestar recieved serious damaged after the other three models attempted to wipe out and destroyed all but this basestar ([[TRS]]: "[[The Ties That Bind]]").

The basestar was later found by the ''[[Demetrius]]'' and its crew, who had been searching for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. They return to [[The Fleet (TRS)|the fleet]] with the basestar, where the Colonials and the Rebel Cylons form an unsteady alliance to destroy the [[Resurrection Hub]], and hence destroy the Cylons' ability to [[resurrection|resurrect]]. However, the basestar becomes the only ship to make it there, after the [[Hybrid]] jumps without ''Galactica''. Against all odds, the baseship manages to destroy the Hub with the help of the humans in the ship, as well as retreive the last Three copy ([[TRS]]: "[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]", "[[The Hub]]").

After a brief standoff, the Cylons join the fleet in the final jump to Earth, only to find it in ruins. The basestar is later invited to join the fleet to find a new home afterwards ([[TRS]]: "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]").

Over time, the ship is integrated into the fleet, getting its own representation in the new Quorum of Ship's Captains and flying joint fighter CAPs with ''Galactica''. Upon Admiral Adama's decision to abandon the battlestar, it is decided that the baseship would become the new flagship under Adama's command, since it is the only other warship remaining in the fleet.

When ''Galactica'' heads off to the Colony to rescue Hera, the baseship is left under the command of Admiral Hoshi to await ''Galactica'''s return. It later jumps to New Earth along with the rest of the fleet, where the Cylons turn control of the ship to the Centurions, allowing them to seek their own destiny as the human models settle on Earth with the rest of humanity.

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== Cylon War-era basestars ==

The Cylons had deployed three different variants of Basestars during the First [[Cylon War]].

=== First Variant ===
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| title= Basestar, 1st variant
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Presumed
| crew= [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]
| img= Y
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The basestars in service during the 12-year Cylon War consisted of two flattened cones connected at the center by a thick pylon, giving them a conical saucer-like appearance<ref>This basestar design seen in the [[Miniseries]] and later in "[[Razor]]" is an obvious homage to the [[Basestar (TOS)|basestar]] seen in the [[Original Series]]. However, its weaponry (if not also its [[Imperious Leader|command structure]]) is markedly different than its 1978 counterpart per the "realistic" goals of [[Ron Moore]]'s essay on [[Naturalistic science fiction]] in ''Battlestar''.</ref> ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

Much like its modern counterpart, this model utilized chemically-propelled missiles (with both nuclear and conventional warheads) as the main form of offensive weaponry. Raiders were deployed from access points (totaling 8 in number) throughout a basestar's hull to provide defense. This design, as with later iterations, was capable of operating within an atmosphere (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

During [[Operation Raptor Talon]], the battlestar ''[[Columbia (TRS)|Columbia]]'' was destroyed by basestar missiles and Raider attacks as ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'' and another unnamed battlestar pressed their assaults.

The origins of the initial basestars are unclear. However, as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons were a creation of man]] in the early days before the war, it is probable that man himself (through the efforts of various [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|colonies]]) designed the various ships and weapons used by the Cylons for the use in intra-colonial wars prior to the [[Articles of Colonization]].

A model of this basestar design is displayed over 40 years later on ''Galactica'', as part of its [[Galactica Museum|planned museum]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries, Night 1]]").

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=== Second Variant ===
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| title= Basestar, 2nd variant
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown, presumably [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Nuclear and conventional missiles, kinetic energy weapons (point defense), [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]
| img= Y
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A second variant Basestar was deployed by Cylon forces sometime before the 10th year of the War. This class represents a small evolutionary step from the 1st variant to the Guardian Basestar, suggesting it wasn't a one-off design. This line of Basestars can then be linked to the modern design seen after the fall of the Colonies.

This configuration features two y-shaped hulls in tandem alignment, with a 1st variant-like top and bottom hull ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Although the main offensive armament of this variant is still its missile launchers, the ship also possesses numerous point defense cannons, which are used by one such ship in a failed attempt to deter the attacking ''[[Osiris]]'''s kamikaze run.

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=== Third "Guardian" Variant ===
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| title= Guardian basestar
| race= [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]], [[first Hybrid]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= 36 twin missile tube mountings <ref>[http://www.galacticabbs.com/index.php?autocom=gallery&req=sc&cat=187&sort_key=caption&order_key=ASC&prune_key=*&st=4384 Images are in the middle of the page and clearly show missle launchers.]</ref>, First Cylon War-era Raiders
| status= Destroyed
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Towards the end of the first Cylon War, the Cylons built a prototype basestar that had roughly the same shape as the modern basestar. The [[First Hybrid|first hybrids]] were developed for use with this model.

It is explained by [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] that a group of Centurions calling themselves [[Guardians]] fractured from the Cylon majority with such a basestar. The belief is that they escaped to the far reaches of space to avoid being shut-down in favor of their modernized, non-sentient [[Cylon Centurion|successors]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). The only basestar of this type known to exist was destroyed by Colonial forces shortly after its discovery.
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== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Basestar 3.png|A first variant Basestar hovering over Caprica City.
Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|[[Operation Raptor Talon]] at the end of the first Cylon War ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

Image:Basestar 1.png|A second variant Basestar over the ice moon [[Djerba]].
Image:Basestar 2.png|A second variant Basestar launches Raiders.

Image:Gardian basestar.jpg|A third "Guardian" variant taking off from an [[ice planet]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

Image:Baseship, hornet nest.jpg|[[Cylon Raider|Raiders]] being released ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]").
Image:Baseships over Caprica.jpg|Trio of basestars over Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]").
Image:Dyingbasestar_306_720p.png|A basestar infected by a deadly [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|virus]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]").
Image:Basestar Interior 1.jpg|Baltar and a Three in a room on a basestar ([[TRS]]: "Torn").
Image:Basestar Interior 2.jpg|Baltar and a Three in a corridor ([[TRS]]: "[[The Passage]]").
Image:Basestar Interior 3.jpg|A basestar's hangar bay ([[TRS]]: "Torn").
Image:Cylon membrane hatch.jpg|A membrane covers a mechanical-looking hatch of a Cylon docking slip ([[TRS]]: "[[Faith]]").
Image:Basestars Atmospheric Entry Configuration.png|Tandem "Y" formation assumed for atmospheric entries as seen in "[[The Plan]]".
Image:Basestars Entering Caprica Atmosphere.png|Another view of tandem "Y".
Image:Basestar Missle Launchers The Plan.jpg|Basestar Weaponary.
Image:Closeup Basestar Missle Launcher.png|Closeup of missle launcher with MIRV mounted.
Image:Retconned Basestar Raider Bays.png|Detail of primary raider bays. There are two per ship.
Image:Cylon Basestar Secondary Raider Bay.png|Detail of the secondary raider bays. There are four per ship.
Image:Rebel Basestar Arm Closeup.png|Arm detail.
Image:New Cylon Basestar Zoic Style Shot.png|Angle shot.
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Talk:Unnamed Colonial vessels/Archive 1

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==Two Galactica Types at Shipyards?==
I think there might have actually been two unnamed G type battlestars at the shipyards. The first is in the pic on the page, the second is hit by missiles later on. You can tell they are different battlestars because of their docking arrangements. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 17:59, 13 December 2007 (CST)
:Mhhh yeah, the one destroyed isn't enclosed on two sides. It depends on how much stock we want to put in that establishing shot. There are so many effects shots, that they don't necessarily need to be consistent. The battle footage ads up, but the establishing shot seems to be slightly different anyways. Also in regard to the ''Valkyrie'' types, though they can be mainly under the superstructure and thus partially obscured. I'd rather chalk it up as a slight discrepancy. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:12, 13 December 2007 (CST)
::Yeah that's true. There are a few moments of indiscrepancy in the establishing shots. A good example is how sometimes the Valkyrie types have a spoiler in the back and sometimes they don't. I've seen that thing in the orthos before but I thought they had killed the idea. Also, ships don't always seem to be in the places they were before.
::I think this is pretty clear-cut however, but unless there is some other huge revelation (which I doubt) I think this is probably as far as we want to go with it. We also need to decide if the place where we have the Berzerk is adequate or if we need to move it to a place where it will be found by searching for ships. --[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 23:39, 13 December 2007 (CST)
:::We could create an own page for that ship, but it will have an unsearchable name and we don't know much about it anyways. I think that [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] is by far the likeliest place anyone will expect that vessel at (together with the closely tied battle page) and the article is very short otherwise.
::: I see that Joe created [[Unknown craft (RDM)]], and there are some unnamed designs in the civilian fleet. But those already have own articles. My personal preference is just to not have information unnecessarily scattered over x pages. See [http://xkcd.com/214/ the problem with Wikipedia]. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:10, 14 December 2007 (CST)
::According to one of the CGI artists, the battlestar with a lot of boxes in the middle is called a Beserk Class escort. Here is his web page www.irrationaldesigns.com--[[User:Farragut|Farragut]] 22:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Excellent catch, Farragut, and welcome! We can't quite break out this battlestar by name since it's still unclear if the name was created by the artist but may not be used canonically by the writers of the show. Still, the source data is perfect and can be added to the article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps there are indeed two Galactica type vessels docked there. If we consider them to be de-comissioned or whatever, this would fit with Cain's comment in Pegasus that "five ships, two of them battlestars, died right there" - the five ships being the two Galactica types, the Bezerk, and the two Valkyrie type Battlestars.

This idea rather falls down unless we assume that the two galactica class ships, or some combination of Galactica/Valkyrie class is no longer considered a "battlestar." But at the very least the numbers fit. --[[User:Griffin-2-6|Griffine-2-6]] 18:58, 30 July 2009 (GMT)

As likely the two (or one) Galactica types were decommissioned from service for scrapage and therefore no longer considered active battlestars[[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:24, 24 November 2012 (EST)

==Suggestion to rename article==

In light of the large amount of ships being added to this page that may or may not be classed as battlestars, I suggest this article be renamed "Unnamed Colonial Military Vessels" or something similar [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 18:55, 16 November 2012 (EST)
: I agree. Especially the "Defender" type is not a battlestar. It is seen in the refugefleet and we know the only ship in the refugefleet with weapons was the Adriatic and that ship got lost...
:Just to be a part of the fleet seen in BAC makes this ship not a Battlestar (or a military ship). We can see at least 2 Celestra ships in this fleet too. Maybe this article can be renamed in "Unnamed Colonial Vessels" and then split it into "apparently military use" and "apparently civilian use" or so --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 18:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)
:: Renamed per Enbran's suggestion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:20, 17 November 2012 (EST)

==Another indentified class not meantioned on this page==

There is a Berzerk class ship seen in "The Plan" and "Razor", but also there are two ships of almost identical design that appear at Scorpion Shipyards exept that they much smaller and have a slightly different central section. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:32, 24 November 2012 (EST)

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[[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:32, 24 November 2012 (EST)

It is largely considered to be a sfx production error along with the over sized Galactica type. --[[User:RedWolf|RedWolf]] 05:38, 25 November 2012 (EST)

I really wouldn't call it an error though as the central section of the ships are very different whilst the rest being the same design. They clearly are different vessels cause of this and both clearly appear onscreen together so they must be different ship types. In my opinion what appears onscreen should be considered the higher canon. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 12:59, 25 November 2012 (EST)

==Galactica type seen next to Galactica in Blood and Chrome ep1==

If you look very carefully you can make out part of the name of the other Gal type battlestar. From what I can tell the end part of its name is "-CTER". I can't make out the other letters yet unfortunally, but hopefully when better quality images come out when it airs on the show the name might be revealed. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 19:04, 29 November 2012 (EST)

Columbia (TRS)

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:''For information on an [[Original Series]] [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] of the same name, see [[Columbia (TOS)]].''

There have been at least two [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]s to bear the name '''''Columbia''''' in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]].

== First ''Columbia'' ==
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| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, Vipers, Raptors
| status= Destroyed during [[Operation Raptor Talon]]
}}
''Columbia'' is one of the [[Galactica class battlestar|original twelve]]<ref>In the [[Miniseries, Night 1|first night of the Miniseries]], [[Aaron Doral]] mentions that there were twelve [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestars]] created during the Cylon War. ''Columbia'' is clearly of the same class as ''Galactica'', and thus belongs to this type.</ref> battlestars created during the [[Cylon War]].

During [[Operation Raptor Talon]], ''Columbia'' is destroyed with all hands by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. As this was the final battle of the Cylon War, it is likely that ''Columbia'' was the last Colonial ship lost during the conflict.

Appearance wise, ''Columbia'' bears more hull plating compared to ''Galactica'', and was also finished up with a blue paint job rather than the red seen on ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s hull.

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== Second ''Columbia'' ==
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| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
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The second ''Columbia'' is of an unknown (probably newer) type, featuring integrated command and control systems and Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]'s [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP). It is reported as lost, along with ''[[Solaria]]'' and ''[[Triton (RDM)|Triton]]'', during the initial moments of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Second Cylon War]].

Adama once served as [[executive officer]] on ''Columbia'' ([[Hero]]). [[Galen Tyrol]] also served on this ship at some point in his long career ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

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==Notes==

* The name ''Columbia'' is a derivation of the name of 15th Century Genoan explorer [[Wikipedia:Christopher Columbus|Christopher Columbus]], which itself is derived from the Latin ''columba'', meaning "dove" or "pigeon"). While at first glance such an Earth-based name seems an unlikely choice for an "alien" culture, it might be a hint towards a [[Sacred Scrolls#Earth as the true origin of the human species|different version]] of the Twelve Colonies' ancient history.

* Many fans believe ''Galactica'' to be a Columbia class battlestar. However, this is not supported by [[BW:CJ|official sources]], in neither the [[Original Series|Original]] nor the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For the battlestar type ''Galactica'' belongs to, see [[Galactica type battlestar]].

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:''This article discusses the military defense ships of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]] prior to their destruction. For information on the civilian ships that comprise the remains of humanity, see [[The Fleet (TRS)]].''

The '''Colonial Fleet''' is the primary armed service branch of the Colonial Forces<ref>In the episodes "[[Maelstrom]]" and "[[The Son Also Rises]]", official documents written for [[Socrata Thrace]] and [[Kara Thrace]], respectively, also name the armed services of the Colonies as the Colonial Forces.</ref> under the jurisdiction of the [[Ministry of Defense]] of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|fall of the Colonies]].

The Colonial Fleet operates in tandem with other branches of the Colonial Forces, like the [[Colonial Marine Corps]], and is augmented by a reserve, of which [[Lee Adama]] (CFR) is a member ([[TRS]]: "[[Final Cut]]"). A government military academy<ref>
The military academy was probably similar to [[Wikipedia:United States Naval Academy|Annapolis]] or [[Wikipedia:Britannia Royal Naval College|the Royal Naval College]].</ref> appears to be the primary training faculty and commission source for the fleet's officers. Many characters, including [[Saul Tigh]], [[Kara Thrace]], and [[Sharon Valerii]] attended (or claim to have attended) this academy. Moreover, a [[War College]] existed for more extensive education, which Lee Adama attended. The training of new recruits was under the Colonial Forces Training Command <ref>The letterheads in Kara Thrace's personnel file in "[[The Son Also Rises]]" show two documents issued by this command, each while she was in training status.</ref>.

Other identified Fleet installations include the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], the [[Caprican Colonial Forces Veteran's Hospital]], [[Ragnar Anchorage]], and [[Armistice Station]]. The Colonial Fleet was based at [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]].

==Fleet Status==
At the time of the Cylon holocaust, the Colonial Fleet includes approximately 120 battlestars<ref>In the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] tells Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] when she's released from the brig, "We lost 30 battlestars in the opening attack." She responds, "That's a quarter of the fleet." This establishes that there were approximately 120 active battlestars in the Colonial Fleet at the time of the attack.</ref>, thousands of smaller vessels<ref>The A to Z of Battlestar Galactica, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 51.</ref>, numerous squadrons of [[Viper Mark VII|Vipers]] and [[Raptor]]s assigned to each, and various support ships <ref>According to Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], two unnamed battlestars and three other ships (type unknown, but presumed military vessels) were destroyed at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). This establishes the existence of non-battlestar support ships that would likely be assigned to a [[battlestar group]]. The support ships' roles can be presumed to be similar to those in an [[Wikipedia:aircraft carrier battle group|aircraft carrier battle group]]. The episode "[[Razor]]" shows [[Berzerk|one such ship]], but its exact role is unknown.</ref>. The Colonial Fleet also included modified [[Space Park]] vessels (although the single Space Park liner in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[The Fleet (TRS)|civilian Fleet]] is very likely a civilian liner) <ref>Information formerly available on the [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar SciFi Channel Battlestar Galactica web site]. Some information on the official site has conflicted with aired content, so readers are warned that inconsistencies can occur.</ref>.

The Colonial Fleet was regarded by the Cylons to be a decisively superior force in a direct engagement. Therefore, the Cylons returned to a variation of their [[Cylon War]] [[Cylon Tactics|tactics]] by undermining the Colonial Fleet's [[CNP]] to attack ships equipped with the software from within ([[TRS]]: "[[Downloaded]]").

Battlestars mentioned destroyed in the Cylon attack include ''[[Triton (TRS)|Triton]]'', ''[[Solaria]]'', ''[[Columbia (TRS)|Columbia]]'', and ''[[Atlantia (TRS)|Atlantia]]'' (Admiral [[Nagala]]'s flagship). Upon Nagala's death, Commander [[William Adama]] of ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'' assumes command of the remains of the Colonial Fleet, ordering them to regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] for a counter-attack. However, [[Pegasus (TRS)|virtually]] all capital ships of the Colonial Fleet are destroyed, leaving Commander Adama (after consultation with new President [[Laura Roslin]]) to choose retreat from the Cylons, opting instead to protect the surviving members of humanity.

Approximately a year after the Cylon destruction of the Twelve Colonies, the remnants of mankind colonize the world of [[New Caprica]] on orders of new President [[Gaius Baltar]]. The two remaining battlestars of the Colonial Fleet, ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' (both manned by skeleton crews), orbit the planet and monitor for Cylon activity. A year after colonization, a Cylon fleet comprised of dozens of basestars finds the settlement. Unable to fight off an invasion of such magnitude, ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' retreat to safety, leaving most of the civilian fleet under Cylon occupation on the surface of New Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").

In the [[Battle of New Caprica]] four months later, ''Galactica'' is severely damaged while escaping with the liberated civilians. ''Pegasus'', however, is destroyed after taking significant damage and ramming a [[Basestar (TRS)|basestar]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Exodus, Part II]]"). ''Galactica'' constitutes the only surviving vessel within the Colonial Fleet until it is destroyed ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

==Limits of Authority==
The Colonial Fleet is aware that they are a military force, not a police force. Commander [[William Adama]] warns new President [[Laura Roslin]] that mixing the two roles can turn the military against its own citizens. Acting commander [[Saul Tigh]] ignores this principle when attempting to stop an supply boycott in the [[The Fleet (TRS)|civilian Fleet]], leading to the deaths of four civilians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Resistance]]").

Biological warfare is restricted in the Twelve Colonies, requiring presidential authorization ([[TRS]]: "[[A Measure of Salvation]]"). However, battlestar commanders have battlefield authority to use nuclear weapons ([[TRS]]: "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]").

==Ships of the Colonial Fleet==
* [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
* [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
* [[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]
* [[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class battlestar]]
* [[Loki|''Loki'' type heavy cruiser]]
* [[Raptor]]
* [[Viper Mark II]]
* [[Viper Mark III]]
* [[Viper Mark VII]]
* [[Stealthstar]]

==References==
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[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial Military]]
[[Category:Colonial Military (TRS)]]
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* See Also
** Military Ranks (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Ranks
** Uniforms (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Uniforms
** Insignia (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Insignia & Patches
** List of terms (RDM)#Military|Colonial Fleet Terminology
** Military - Government relations|Military—Government Relations
* The Original Series
** Colonial Fleet (TOS)|Colonial Fleet
** Colonial Warrior|Colonial Warriors
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Talk:Galactica type battlestar/Archive 1

2012-11-27T16:05:10Z

VARGR: /* Jupiter-class is probably an error */

:: Archive from [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Talk:Galactica_type_battlestar&oldid=47676 April 17, 2006]
== Medical Capabilites of a Battlestar ==

Peter,

Your assertion of "unfound speculation" concerning my contribution is uninformed and unfounded. I am a military medical planner and a published author. My assertion of the potential medical capabilities and requirements of an intergalactic warship (modeled on a US aircraft carrier), while hypothetical, is informed. Keep in mind these are requirements that the ship would have originally been built (not the "as is" state). At this point in the story line, clearly Major Cottle is the only doctor on Galactica, however we have never seen the Pegasus medical bay or any of its medical personnel. With established industrial facilities on Pegasus (Viper production established in “Scar”), the Pegasus would have evn greater Occupational Health / Preventive Medicine than Galactica. And if you do a walk down of the ancillary services (pharmacy (camala extract), orthopedic and x-ray (Kara’s knee injury), optometry (ADM Adama’s glasses), etc, you will see they exist even if they are not portrayed. Additionally, it was an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) bed, complete with ventilator, which William Adama was in during his multiple surgeries (establishing an Operation Room (OR)).

Capital ships are designed to go into battle, which means they will take damage and casualties. Often it is the ability to regenerate / repair / refit in the quickest amount of time that determines the outcome of battles. General Nathan Bedford Forrest of the Confederate States of America is famous for the quote, “He who gets there the fastest with the mostest wins.” RDM makes reference to his experience onboard a Navy ship in podcasts, including “The Captain’s Hand”. Thus, there is an established framework present.

I provide you two active hyperlinks that back up my contribution. While dated, they are still relevant.

http://www.mfp.usmc.mil/TeamApp/G4/Topics/20040916154046/Med%20Cont%20Factbook.pdf

www.iiimef.usmc.mil/medical/ FMF/FMFE/FMFEref/fs_man/CHAPTER%2014.html

--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 20:26, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:I have no doubt that you are well qualified to speak about the medical capabilities of an aircraft carrier. I dispute their relevance to BSG, however. while they might provide a good baseline for guesswork, I don't think that simple guesswork belongs on this site. We don't extrapolate armament details based on the capabilities of modern naval vessels, for example. If you wanted, I wouldn't object to something along the lines of "we may conjecture that the medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier" with one of the links you provided above; but I will not agree to listing out detailed specifications based on no in-continuity data. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:37, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

::''At last I went to the artisans. I was conscious that I knew nothing at all, as I may say, and I was sure that they knew many fine things; and here I was not mistaken, for they did know many things of which I was ignorant, and in this they certainly were wiser than I was. But I observed that even the good artisans fell into error;--because they were good workmen they thought that they also knew all sorts of high matters, and this defect in them overshadowed their wisdom;''
:::''The Apology of Socrates'', Plato

::Sir, none of us doubt that you know what you are talking about when you list the medical capabilities of a modern aicraft carrier. But this does not grant you increased insight into the inner logic of the tv series: First, we have no idea how many medical staff are onboard, and comparing it to an aircraft carrier is just speculation. Second, we have no idea how many crewmen a Mercury class battlestar normally has, as has been asked in the "Questions" segment of the "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" episode guide article: Pegasus has 1,750 crewmen when it encounters Galactica, but A) It was going into drydock, and some of the crew may have left to the port, B) 700 crewmen died in the initial attack C) Cain impressed civillians she encounteed into service and most importantly C) Cain was fighting a hit and run war against the Cylons for months, which wore down her crew numbers through attrition. But I digress. Yes, we should object to a statement like "we may conjecture that medical facilities of a colonial battlestar are roughly comparable to those of a modern aircraft carrier". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:41, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:::I guess you can object to that too, if you want. I was trying to compromise. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:48, 12 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'm sorry Peter but this is a really good example of the speculation I don't think we should be inserting into this kind of article. There is nothing to be gained from such a compromise. I would if there were, and would like to, but I can't change facts. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:51, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

Peter,

As I am preparing to deploy for a year, please forgive me as I have packed all my BSG video. I grant you that the personnel numbers for a fully manned battlestar are informed speculation based upon a comparison to a modern aircraft carrier. I use these numbers as RDM has referenced a battlestar to a modern carrier, his experience in the Navy (podcast for The Captain’s Hand), Galactica type battlestar – article – dimensions’ jpg comparing a Battlestar to a CVN Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg on this very page. My professional training drives me to fill in unknowns with assumptions. That is what the personnel piece was intended and is consistent with other speculation within the Wiki, so long as it is said to be speculation (i.e. the actual working of an FTL drive). But sticking to the medical capabilities known from “in country (your term)” knowledge (i.e. seen on screen or in dialogue), we know much about Galactica. First, Galactica has a sickbay (Act of Contrition, Litmus). Exact bed count is not known, but is greater than seven (Act of Contrition). Based upon the burn victims (Act of Contrition) and treatment of William Adama (Scattered, Valley of Darkness, Fragged), we have seen Intensive Care Unit (ICU) beds, complete with ventilators, electrocardiograms (ECG), pulse / respiration / pulseox (shows percent of oxygen saturation dissolved in blood) monitors. We also have seen at least on operation room (OR) (Fragged), and subsequently confirm its existence with Kara Thrace’s knee surgery (Litmus) and Lee Adama’s chest surgery (Sacrifice). Concerning the radiology suite, we saw a Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI – incidentally, a very advanced piece of equipment) when Baltar had Dr. Cottle examine his head looking for an implanted chip (sorry, don’t remember the episode). We also saw conventional (chest) x-rays of Commander William Adama, during his surgery (Fragged, Scattered). We heard about Sharon’s ultrasound, as part of pre-natal health on Hera, where Dr. Cottle found an abnormality. And while not part of radiology, Hera, is placed in a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) incubator, when is born prematurely. Next, we know it has a pharmacy. The President asked Dr. Cottle for Camala, the Viper pilots were taking “stims” (33, Final Cut) and Kara is taking pain killers for her knee surgery (Litmus) and latter asks Lee for antibiotics for Anders (Lay Down Your Burdens – Part II). Additionally, with the surgeries and burn victims, there are other pharmacological needs and a pharmacy is where these things dwell. Other areas that we have seen or know about are a morgue, where Galactica-Boomer was stored; a laboratory (to do support simple blood type and matching to support surgery), optometry with a fabrication lab (William Adama wears glasses and as stated in other areas of this site, battlestars are designed for sustained operations). We are also can infer that Galactica has some preventive medicine / occupational health capability because in “Water”, there was a discussion about water recycling (leading to potable water). It is Preventive Medicine that does this task.

I would like to add that RDM and SciFi do a heck of a job weaving into the background all these things. As an experienced health services officer with over 22 years in the health care field, there is a tremendous amount of detail that happens in the background. If I was a casual observer, I might miss or not care about some of these things. As someone headed into harms way, I assure you that our fighting forces moral is impacted combat health support. I absolutely belive we need to address the medical capabilities of a battle star. The propose the best way is start with what it would look like at full strenght / desired capability. Clearly, Season 3 will start with two grossly undermanned battlestars, with very limited offensive combat capability.--[[User:Killerman|Killerman]] 22:10, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

:The citations you've provided make it much easier to include this information, and I thank you for taking the time to write this all out. The addition should improve the article considerably. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:21, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

::I am sorry, but this doesn't change much: the above information was gleaned from things we've seen on screen, and is thus informative and useful. However, the original entry to this article he made (speculative medical numbers, etc.)...isn't supported by any of these citations. Basically, they're two separate issues and should be treated separately. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 00:48, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

:::Reverting to Killerman's last version isn't a good idea, but he (or we) can refactor his contribution using the points and evidence he raised above. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:57, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

::::Oh yes yes, something new and revised. Yes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 01:24, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Manufacture vs. Assembly of Ammunition ==
The "assembly" activities that take place in [[Epiphanies]] would fall into the realm of "production", depending on how you look at it. It seemed like they were loading the casings (I thought RDM said they were going to use caseless ammo) with powder, seating the primer and inserting the bullet, turning the various components into a cartridge. Whether or not they produced the individual components (metal for bullets and casings would be easy, compounds for primers and powder probably harder to obtain), the act of putting those bits together would often be considered "manufacturing" ammunition. Not a big deal, and I didn't even change the text (since it's pretty debatable). An example of this use of the word is in this [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4044-2004Jul21_2.html Washington Post Article]:

"''Israeli Military Industries said the ammunition will be manufactured in Israel but the raw materials, including propellants, projectiles and primers, come from U.S. sources.''
"

Once again, not trying to start a war, just wanted to weigh in on a subject I knew a little about (since they so rarely come up). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:02, 17 April 2006 (CDT)

== Picture of destroyed Galactica-type Battlestar ==
Though certainly a model of a Galactica-type was used for the shot, it's clearly mentioned at the very beginning of the miniseries that ''Galactica'' is the only ship of it's kind still in service. The story places the shot only hours after the beginning of the attack, so it should be impossible that another Galactica-type (museum or mothballed in a reserve-fleet) could be readied for battle. Shouldn't the destroyed battlestar be taken as one of a third class between the Galactica-Type and Mercury-class, still looking a lot like the Galactica-type? [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 13:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:That was my impulse. Story logic dictates that the destroyed hulk probably wasn't a Galactica type, but in the real world we can surmise that Zoic probably re-used the Galactica model. Of course, from that distance, we could fudge our interpretation either way. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:50, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::They don't necessarily mean that there are no Galactica type battlestars in service besides the Big-G, it could be taken to mean none like Galactica, eg. non-refitted, no networks, etc. The battlestar there could easily (and belivably) be a refitted Galactica type. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:22, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::I concur with Talos, and that has been my understanding. Besides, unless the ship was simply overwhelmed by Cylon military brawn, an old-Cylon War battlestar would put up the same level of fight as ''Galactica'' would have. Else, it was just as vulnerable as the new battlestars. I agree, cinematically, that that Galactica model was just reused.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:59, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::[http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgefeature.aspx?pid=3&fid=642 Something to ask] the big man himself? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 14:34, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I'll do that in a little bit, I have to pick up my brother from his band practice in a minute. The life of a college student living at home... --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:36, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I really doubt he's going to take the time to clarify such a niggling detail. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:39, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

It has always been my belief that Doral meant it was the only Galactica-type battlestar never refited. I always point to the ''U.S.S. Missouri'' (Mighty 'Mo) as an example of a ship with over 50 years of combat service that just kept getting refitted over time to the point that it was firing satellite-targeted cruise missiles at the end of its service. I think Galactica was just the only one that was never refitted. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:57, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:My point exactly. It's like the WWII era Essex class carriers. There were refits that were completly rebuilt but a few, essentially, originals survived until the early 1960s with the others serving thru Vietnam ([[Wikipedia:USS Oriskany (CVA-34)|USS Oriskany (CVA-34)]] for example). The [[Wikipedia:USS Lexington (CV-16)|USS Lexington (CV-16)]] was in service as a training ship until 1991! --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:26, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

::It's exactly the ''USS Missouri''-example why I believe that ''Galactica'' is the last of it's class: All four ''Iowa''-Class battleships were updated and they all were finally decommissoned (for now) between 1990 and 1992. If the ''Galactica'' is simply the only one not refitted one would have to ask why that wasn't done. Why would one refit three ''Iowas'' but not the last one? This usually only happens if a ship is somehow different from her sisters (e.g. having sustained heavy battledamage the refit is more expensive and not worth the effort). Also it could be that the fleet is being downsized, no longer needing all ships. An example for this would be the British [[Wikipedia:Illustrious class aircraft carrier|''Illustrious''-Class]] of World War II. Of these three carriers only one received an angled flight-deck, surviving the scrapping of the other two for twenty years. But in all these cases I find it hard to believe that anyone would describe one of the ships decommissioned first as ''the last of it's kind still in service'' if there others (refitted or not) still in action. Which ''Iowa'' would have been described that way prior to it's decommissioning: ''Iowa'' in 1990 or ''Missouri'' in 1992? Wasn't ''Lexington'' the last ''Essex''?
::What Doral says before and after that statement makes it quite clear that he's not talking about a certain detail (like ''last of it's kind without a network'' would have been). He starts with ''worldfamous Battlestar Galactica'', then ''last of her kind still in service'' followed by ''constructed 50 years ago as one of the first twelve battlestars, representing Caprica''. The only possible explanation for other Galactica-types this leaves would be ''Galactica'' being the last of the first twelve, with other Galactica-types coming from a second batch no longer representing specific colonys. But even then "last of her kind" is an usual choice of words to describe that. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 17:13, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:04, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
::::I think it is still ambiguous, and we should wait for an RDM blog reply before changing anything. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:54, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::I doubt RDM will respond to this issue, and I think the safest course of action would just be to remove it. There's sufficient reason to doubt that the hulk isn't a galactica-type that we shouldn't take a firm position on the issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:22, 25 April 2006 (CDT)
:::The motivation for no refit to ''Galactica'' could be nostaliga or historical preservation, explaining the odd wording; for such a purpose, only the unaltered version would count. ...Don't get the impression I believe that just because I said it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 20:56, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:Not to mention Adama, "It's a computer network and I'll be damned if I'll let it aboard my ship while I'm in command." (Paraphrased)--[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:01, 24 April 2006 (CDT)
:We don't even know for sure if the destroyed battlestar was even in service. It could have been decommissioned earlier and be acting like a museum, just like Galactica was supposed to be. That would also explain its quick destruction. (It snapped cleanly in half). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:01, 13 January 2007 (CST)
::It could easily be in service still. In the Russian (and former Soviet) navy, there is a class of destroyers called the [[w:Udaloy class destroyer|Udaloy]]. The last of the class was heavily refitted and updated, bringing it up almost to Burke class levels. The important thing here is that there are still unrefitted ones in service (there was only enough money to upgrade one, the Admiral Chabenko). Then again, there is the Fletcher/Sumner class destroyers. The main differences were the gun armament (5x1 5" in Fletcher, 3x2 5" in Sumner), and the Sumner's twin rudders. Same hull and most of the superstructure. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:13, 13 January 2007 (CST)
Also possible that the Galactica was origionally heavily armored like the Columbia but retrofitted. Then the other 1st war ships of its type were eventually decomissioned, whilst other Galactica Type Battlestars were made after the war without the extra armor (and other things we don't know about) to the new upgraded design of the Galactica type, therefore a different kind of ship. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 20:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

What everyone here has failed to realize is that in BSG, the real life progression of technology that we experienced from WWII up to the present day does not exist; remember that the pre-war colonies were only superficially more advanced then the post war colonies. Based upon on screen information, it seems that the core of Colonial technology has not advanced by much from the time of the first Cylon war up to the attack on the colonies. The Galactica is not a WWII battleship/carrier running with analog systems. She seems to have very advanced computers, for example, a computer that can quickly compute something like a FTL jump has to be advanced, not to mention the computer/s that control the hundreds of point defense guns. Admiral Cain stated that a significant difference between the BSG and the Pegasus is the computer network and the automation that it controls. This in no way implies that Galactica's computers are inferior, just that they are not networked and as a result the ship requires more human coordination. There is also no evidence that the Galactica never received refits/replacement/upgrades of her original computer cores as well as here many other systems, of course there is no evidence to support the idea other than real-life navy practice. So one has to ask, is the Galactica really that out of date technology wise? I am of the opinion that the remark from the miniseries meant that Galactica was the last of the originals, still in the war-time configuration (meaning no networked automation). As for the destroyed Galactica type, it is not that unreasonable to assume that it is an early post-war ship, utilizing the same outer hull configuration but with updated internals such as increased network-controlled automation. I base this upon real-life ship design, looking at the list of modern destroyers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyer_classes_of_the_United_States_Navy]; when the navy finds a hull design that works they tend to stick with it, changing the internals with each subsequent class. Other examples are the F-18 hornet and the F-18 Super Hornet, as well as the Nimitz class carriers, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier]. On the Nimitz page, read the section on the "Design differences within the class", particularly the ROCH part. Also read the "Future" section which states that the next class of carrier is "using an almost identical hull design". --[[User:ViperMkII|ViperMkII]] 08:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== Crew numbers ==

How do we know a fully manned and equipped battlestar has a crew of 4,000 to 5,000? Was it said in some episode or where do these numbers come from? I'm updating the [[de:Kampfstern, Galactica-Typ|german battlestar article]] and I don't like to use data that seems to be made up out of thin air. The links and notes provided don't give any hint about the normal crew number of a battlestar of this type. We apologise for any inconvenience. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 16:03, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:In the Miniseries, Tyrol says that there are over 2,000 people on Galactica. The ships seems very undermanned at the same time so I would think that 4-5,000 is a good estimate. I'm not sure if we've seen any concrete numbers though, maybe in the magazine. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:52, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

::Answer: in "Water" Baltar says how many civilians there are in the Fleet, and subtracting that from the total survivor population in that episode yielded the crew aboard Galactica as of "Water", at some number over 2,600 (I'd have to check). In several podcasts, Ron Moore keeps saying that while not on a skeleton crew, Galactica has about half the number of people on it that a fully crewed battlestar of its class would have. So, "between 4,000 and 5,000". --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:38, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:::Thanks for the clarification, I'll take these numbers then. -- [[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 07:37, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

== Flight tube counts ==
I see (in [[:Image:Bsg-2-cvn.jpg]], e.g.) 20 slots that seem like they might each be divided in half along the side of ''Galactica''. I can see why it is likely they are launch tubes, but I can also see many other similarly sized openings around them. Although it's a fine guess and quite likely to be true, I'm left hestitant that this evidence is sufficiently strong to be canon. In any case, if consensus is that this is canon, we should certainly footnote it, as the truth of the statement is not patently clear. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 00:10, 10 August 2006 (CDT)

== Delivery of Nuclear weapons ==

Since the Cylon forces repeatedly use missiles as an effective delivery platform for their nuclear weapons, isn't ir relativel safe to assume- since, of course, the Cylons were created by the Colonials- that the method deployed by Colonial forces is also missile-based? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:22, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:It's a good idea, and I personally agree with it, but there is no aired proof, and thusly we cannot confirm how they do it. The two Galactica nukes we've seen thus far (Baltar's and the one Boomer uses to destroy the Basestar in Kobol's Last Gleaming Part II) have been removed from their delivery systems. (Although Boomer's did look like it was in a bomb casing). --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:31, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Fair point. Perhaps we'll get clarificaion in Season3, since Galactica herself still has three nuclear weapons aboard. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:06, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Well, we know now, good call on it being revealed in season 3, Although they haven't been used yet, I'm willing to bet they will be used in season 4 and we are going to have to update the articles again.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:09, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
== Galactica-Class? ==

Please bear with me for a moment as I am citing a magazine many of you may consider illegitimate. In the September 2006 issue of Maxim Magazine, the "Fashion" section of Maxim Style features a photoshoot of the RDM Battlestar Galactica cast modeling various fashions. In one photograph, featuring James Callis and Tricia Helfer in a small corner alcove of the CIC (possibly weapons control or some other station), a center console features the text "GALACTICA-CLASS BATTLESTAR" in two places, easily readable to the viewer. I know it is general policy on television shows that whatever is aired in a given episode is canon, and what is not aired, non-canon. However, would this (i.e., "Galactica-class Battlestar") be considered canon since this console is occasionally seen in a given episode? Or am I just reading too much into a simple photoshoot? --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 09:30, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Do you have a photograph of this? or a timestamp where we can check the DVD's? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 09:55, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::I assume he means [http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/images/season_3/maxim_5.jpg this] but on that pic I can't really see it on the prinouts on the table. It does indeed look like the weapon's control room, though I can't recall the table there. The room can be seen very rarely. In the miniseries for example --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I can barely make it out. Though it isn't canon, unless we saw it on the show itself, or if someone from the show were to tell us that "yes, indeed, ''Galactica'' is a ''Galactica''-class battlestar". Then it's canon. However, by all means, we can certainly put something in the notes section regarding this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::That's definitely the weapons control section of CIC. If we can get a clearer shot, that will remove all doubt; it does look like "Galactica class" to me. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:57, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Something for [[BW:OC]]? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:14, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::If I had access to a scanner I would provide a high-res image to examine; unfortunately, I am a relatively-poor college student (and how many aren't these days?) and the only scanner access I have is a public-use scanner in our bookstore. However, the image Mercifull provided is the one I indicated in my first post. In my copy of the issue, the text clearly reads "Galactica-class Battlestar". I know this is a minor detail among many in a show so richly layered by the writers and producers, but I wanted to make sure the Battlestar Wiki was as accurate as possible; I use the Wiki to enhance my experience of this incredible drama. Thank you all for your timely responses to my question. --[[User:Jonfucius|Jonfucius]] 11:39, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
I hate to dredge up an old topic, but here's some food for thought that might support the theory that ''Galactica'' is the class name. Now, we're told that Galactica herself represented Caprica, the de facto capital of the colonies. Surely it stands to reason that the first battlestar built would be the one to represent the primary colony- Galactica. I know this is fanwanking, but I just thought of it and figured I'd voice my idea. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:26, 5 November 2007 (CST)

== Actual class name? ==

I can purely speculate that the actual name of the original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis'', in honor of the wife of assassinated President [[Wikipedia:John F. Kennedy|John F. Kennedy]], [[Wikipedia:Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis|Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis]]. So, ''Galactica'' is considered as an ''Onassis''-class battlestar. The prototype of its class, battlestar ''Onassis'' is destroyed in the renewed [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] conflict. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 21:06, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::LMAO at this troll.--[[User:Tomglima|Tomglima]] 20:11, 23 October 2007 (CDT)
:And there's ''nothing'' to back this up with? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 02:06, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:And how would Colonials know of the Kennedys? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 02:29, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::Because they got information from Earth about these Kennedys before the Cylon Holocaust. Years before the [[Cylon War]], the battlestar prototype, ''Onassis'', is constructed, then ''Galactica'' itself. Therefore, we presume this original battlestar class (of which ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is a member) is ''Onassis''. --[[User:Starkiller|Starkiller]] 04:20, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I am ''very'' confused. There would have to be some serious cite for that change. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 05:10, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

I think that Starkiller is being absurd to prove a point, but, like others, I'm missing it. As per our convention, pure speculation is disallowed here without official sources to back it up. Since the picture of two BSG actors on an official set using props that match others with information cited as official and used here for articles (navigation charts) which indicates that ''Galactica'' is the first of her class, we should continue on this thread. Otherwise, Starkiller's comment is patent nonsense given that BSG is deliberately set so we don't know if the events occur in real-world Earth's past, present, or future. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:13, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:I've heard on several occasions that Galactica may be an "Atlantia-class" battlestar, but have found nothing to support this online. I've also heard that the original Galactica was a "Columbia-class". Is this true? If so, is it possible that the re-imagined Galactica is also a Columbia-class? I think this should head on over to [[BW:OC]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:46, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
::"Columbia-class" is common fan fiction. "Atlantia" class would make little sense: why would the fleet admiral use a old battlestar as his flagship? His ship would be Mercury class or something better (and more advanced--it was destroyed like the other [[CNP]] ships). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:34, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Then why does Adama choose Galactica as his flaghsip, and not Pegasus? There's nothing said on-screen to suggest that the Galactica-type battlestars were NOT re-fitted with computer networks. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Besides, the Atlantia mentioned in the mini could easily have been Mercury-class, and the original may have been retired like the Big G was. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:54, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Commanders don't have to choose the best and biggest ship as their flagship as long as they can do their duty from another one. Don't know who but some guy in WWII chose a destroyer or maybe a battleship as his command post and not an aircraft carrier. As long as there are options, there is some personal choice involved.
::::And you're right about networks. The Mini gives the distinct impression that it was only Adama's doing that the Galactica
::::wasn't more automated -[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:08, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::Yeah, Admiral Raymond Spruance chose the cruiser USS Indianapolis as his flagship when he had multiple carriers at his disposal. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:11, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::As shown in events during the second half of season 2, Adama doesn't likely trust ''Pegasus'' crew. To quote Adama: "I tend to go with what you know, until something better comes along." So the decision is logical; he trusts ''Galactica'' and her crew, thus he plants his flag there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:52, 20 September 2006 (CDT)
::::An corollary to Joe's comments: It is very likely that there is a long-standing (but fading) tradition to keep ''Galactica'' from being refitted, just as our USS Constitution was never refitted as a steamer, in keeping with her (supposed) significancy in Colonial war history. Besides, to ''revert'' any ship from new to old technology is just weird and very unlikely. There may have been fewer commanders willing to assume command of ''Galactica'' in this tradition, but Adama, a man who knew all too well of the problems of technology (and had served on her in the last part of the war), chose ''Galactica'' willingly, I figure. This is reinforced with the arrival of ''Pegasus''. He could've moved his new admiral flag there, but he hasn't. He prefers to go with what he knows until something better shows up. The old battlestar ''Galactica'', in Adama's mind, is still best. ''Pegasus'' survived more on luck than inherent design. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:30, 20 September 2006 (CDT)

==Role==

As with the Mercury-class article, I've amended the class role to [[Wikipedia:Battlecarrier|battlecarrier]]. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:37, 27 September 2006 (CDT)

:Madbrood, I can appreciate the use, but based on your link, I disagree. The term "battlestar" is a true carrier AND battleship in one, where the "battlecarrier" of our Earth is a rough amalgam that doesn't come close in size, fighter capacity, or firepower. Further, I wonder if we want to use complext Earth naval terms instead of what is given in the show to describe the ships using simple naval language. "Carrier/battleship" is less "smooth" than "battlecruiser", but is is also more accurate. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:44, 27 September 2006 (CDT)
::I agree. Battlecruiser is a nice term, but it really doesn't fit Galactica. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:35, 28 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Fair enough. I just figured it sounded a bit more "military". --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:47, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

::::I know. I'd love to put up "big, frakkin' warship/carrier with guns, lots of guns," but "warship/carrier" may have to do. Keeping it simple. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:33, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

== Battlestar Redirect ==
Battlestar (RDM) currently redirects here. The only reason this concerned me was I was actually linking to a more generic use of the word ("Adama had been on an another battlestar before ''Galactica''). Back when "big G" was the only one we knew of, it defintely made sense. Now that we have "''Galactica'' type", "Mercury class", and "''Valkyrie'' type" I was wondering if maybe we needed a more generic article to sit at battlestar (RDM) describing the aircraft carrier/battleship capital ship concept in more general terms, with ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and ''Valkyrie'' being specific examples. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:45, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:That sounds good to me, a general article explaing what battlestars are, listing known ones, mentioning BSGs, missions, etc. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:30, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::Rather than that, why not redirect to the central [[Battlestar]] disambiguation? It already has listed all battlestars by show and type, and avoids extra work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:26, 4 December 2006 (CST)
:::'''That''' is exactly what I wanted to link to. I just automatically tagged an RDM on the end of it. I'll go change that link, but I agree that we should just change Battlestar (RDM) to point to Battlestar (work smarter not harder). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:57, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Hah, I'd forgotten about that page. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:23, 4 December 2006 (CST)
::::Done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:40, 4 December 2006 (CST)

== Life Support ==

How exactly do Galactica's life support systems work? I know their recirculation units replenish oxygen and remove carbon dioxide, but does this oxygen come from tanks or is it recycled from somewhere? The ISS uses electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, so is is possible that Galactica-type ships do something similar to this?--[[User:Rapturous|Rapturous]] 13:52, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
: Other than the scrubbers, it's really never been explained. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:03, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
::Theoretically, they could have a big room full of plants somewhere in the ship. Plants 'breathe in' carbon dioxide and 'breathe out' oxygen, the opposite of what we do. However, you would need some kind of imitation sun then, because the chemical reaction I just described can only occur in sunlight. Other (artifical) means of converting CO<sub>2</sub> back to oxygen could also be used (scrubbers?), but like the plants they will also require energy to work. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 06:57, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Have you ever seen the film [[w:Sunshine (2007 film)|Sunshine]] Catrope?
:::http://www.sunshinedna.com/wp-images/2005/09/2109_06a.jpg
:::They used an oxygen garden in that to produce the breathable air :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 07:37, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Yep, I have. Spoilers for Sunshine follow: {{spoilli|In the scene where the ''Icarus II'' crew boards ''Icarus I'', you can see that her garden is still alive, because of the CO<sub>2</sub> <-> O<sub>2</sub> equilibrium between the plants and Captain Pinbacker who has lived there for seven years (having killed the rest of his crew).}} --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:58, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Perhaps tanks containing algae, submitted to given ranges of EM radiations? The idea of a garden is nice, but doesn't fit in the show, since no one ever walked in Galactica's garden. ;) That's why they needed Cloud 9. --[[User:Mister Oragahn|Mister Oragahn]] 01:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Galactica class pic to rear its head again ==

I ran across [http://acedmagazine.com/images/stories/battlestargalactica/battlestargalactica23.jpg this picture], which shows the "Galactica class battlestar" sheet again. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 12:21, 25 November 2007 (CST)
:Shall we [[BW:OC|ask Brad]] whether this is official or just something the props department made up? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:21, 26 November 2007 (CST)
:Maybe put it on a more prominent place in the article, but explain that such props aren't necessarily official or reliable. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 26 November 2007 (CST)

== Main Battery Numbers ==
I have noticed that there is some confusion on the number of these guns. In examining the the picture of the ventral side, I have noticed 12 guns. 8 are marked, while 4 (two starboard and two port) are partially concealed by the bottom of the bow. They are roughly between the forward four guns and the first four midships guns. --[[User:Kregano|Kregano]] 19:51, 13 January 2008 (CST)
:There are twelve marked (8+4). With another 4, that would make the original number of 24 correct (16 ventral + 8 dorsal). That's why being so pedantic about trivial stuff like ship armament is kinda annoying. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:27, 14 January 2008 (CST)

== Why the flight pods must be retracted ==

When Galactica made the jump that broke her spine, her flight pods were still out. It would seem that jumping with the pods extended on this class of ship causes undue structural strain. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 02:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
: This was never the real reason for the strain. Having the flight pods extended doesn't cause strain... the jump itself caused strain, particularly after the stress from ramming the Colony and from the previous wear and tear Galactica experienced over the four years. Starting from the nuke impacting on Galactica in the Mini, the stress of continually jumping away from the Colonies, the "Adama Maneuver" at New Caprica, the various engagements with the Cylons throughout the series, going through the star cluster, etc., etc. Tigh said way back in Season Three that it would take weeks of Galactica in drydock just to knock out the dents... and he wasn't joking. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, I know that. But jumping with the flight pods out (which has been thoroughly established to be a bad course of action for Galactica's class of battlestar) probably didn't help.
:::There are just too many circumstances that factored into ''Galactica'' breaking her back to make a clear argument for and against the flight pods being *the* main cause. Yes, in all the previous instances it has been said that ''Galactica'' couldn't (or couldn't afford) to jump with them extended. But Adama knew that this was her last mission, and just like Cain, coordinates or flight pods be damned, just jump or they're doomed just the same. BTW, the Raptors jumping inside the flight pod distrupted the structure, so it might very well have been impossible to retract at all.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 05:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
::::If you consider that a FTL drive might be calibrated to make jumps based on a given volume, or mass, themselves possibly relative to the center of gravity of the ship, the physics of the FTL drives might put greater strain onto the ship's superstructure if jumping without retracting the pods. One could think the retraction is necessary because of power requirements as well. --[[User:Mister Oragahn|Mister Oragahn]] 01:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

It is so obvious that the retracted flight pods increase the lateral structural integrity of the ship. Why else would they retract into the hull so completely?--[[User:ViperMkII|ViperMkII]] 16:20, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

== Mass packets? ==

I've removed this from the article, since it wasn't specifically sourced, although the wording states that Adama specifically mentioned this in the miniseries. Either way, the note needs to be more clearly written and better sourced, definitely. Note follows:

*Unknown number of Mass Packet Launchers (Important Editors note: The mention of this weapons technology is clearly mentioned by Admiral [[William Adama]] during the miniseries but is never mentioned again after the galactica runs out of this ammunition).

-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Jupiter-class is probably an error ==

After [[User:Lonewriter|Lonewriter]]'s edit, I looked up the ''Jupiter''-class battlestar thing in the ''Science of BSG'' book. It is referred to there as ''Jupiter''-class, '''''however''''' I have a real problem with this because of the way the information is presented in the book:

: From page 250: 'In the episode "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" we learn that ''Galactica'' is a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar, while ''Pegasus'' is a much newer ''Mercury''-class.'

Now the problem with this is that in ''Pegasus'' (the extended edition where this scene pops up), we only learn that ''Pegasus'' is a ''Mercury''-class and that it is newer. Adama says nothing about ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class. Now, they may have been referring to the script (I don't have access to the scripts, so I can't confirm that, however my recollection is that ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> class was ''never'' mentioned), but scripts aren't necessarily canon. Particularly if this scene was later cut differently.

As this is the case, I've removed this. However, at the very least, we should re-add some mention of this back in since it is printed in an official book. Just it's not canon, since the primary source of that's referenced in the book ''does not'' support this assertion. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 05:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

==Armaments==
Yea Galactica types post-refit did not have 40 large turrets. If you look at the picture of Gal next to two other ships of her class (on the main article) you can see that there are no turrets on the vental surface of the bow. There are 24 large guns along the dorsal surface of the ship for definate, and it is unclear if the 8 turrets on the main vental surface are there or not. As such at most the refit version would at most have 32 turrets not 40. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 11:05, 27 November 2012 (EST)

Colonial Fleet (TRS)/old

2012-11-27T15:49:58Z

VARGR: /* Ships of the Colonial Fleet */

:''This article discusses the military defense ships of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Re-imagined Series]] prior to their destruction. For information on the civilian ships that comprise the remains of humanity, see [[The Fleet (TRS)]].''

The '''Colonial Fleet''' is the primary armed service branch of the Colonial Forces<ref>In the episodes "[[Maelstrom]]" and "[[The Son Also Rises]]", official documents written for [[Socrata Thrace]] and [[Kara Thrace]], respectively, also name the armed services of the Colonies as the Colonial Forces.</ref> under the jurisdiction of the [[Ministry of Defense]] of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|fall of the Colonies]].

The Colonial Fleet operates in tandem with other branches of the Colonial Forces, like the [[Colonial Marine Corps]], and is augmented by a reserve, of which [[Lee Adama]] (CFR) is a member ([[TRS]]: "[[Final Cut]]"). A government military academy<ref>
The military academy was probably similar to [[Wikipedia:United States Naval Academy|Annapolis]] or [[Wikipedia:Britannia Royal Naval College|the Royal Naval College]].</ref> appears to be the primary training faculty and commission source for the fleet's officers. Many characters, including [[Saul Tigh]], [[Kara Thrace]], and [[Sharon Valerii]] attended (or claim to have attended) this academy. Moreover, a [[War College]] existed for more extensive education, which Lee Adama attended. The training of new recruits was under the Colonial Forces Training Command <ref>The letterheads in Kara Thrace's personnel file in "[[The Son Also Rises]]" show two documents issued by this command, each while she was in training status.</ref>.

Other identified Fleet installations include the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], the [[Caprican Colonial Forces Veteran's Hospital]], [[Ragnar Anchorage]], and [[Armistice Station]]. The Colonial Fleet was based at [[Picon Fleet Headquarters]].

==Fleet Status==
At the time of the Cylon holocaust, the Colonial Fleet includes approximately 120 battlestars<ref>In the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] tells Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] when she's released from the brig, "We lost 30 battlestars in the opening attack." She responds, "That's a quarter of the fleet." This establishes that there were approximately 120 active battlestars in the Colonial Fleet at the time of the attack.</ref>, thousands of smaller vessels<ref>The A to Z of Battlestar Galactica, "Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine," June/July 2006, page 51.</ref>, numerous squadrons of [[Viper Mark VII|Vipers]] and [[Raptor]]s assigned to each, and various support ships <ref>According to Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], two unnamed battlestars and three other ships (type unknown, but presumed military vessels) were destroyed at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]"). This establishes the existence of non-battlestar support ships that would likely be assigned to a [[battlestar group]]. The support ships' roles can be presumed to be similar to those in an [[Wikipedia:aircraft carrier battle group|aircraft carrier battle group]]. The episode "[[Razor]]" shows [[Berzerk|one such ship]], but its exact role is unknown.</ref>. The Colonial Fleet also included modified [[Space Park]] vessels (although the single Space Park liner in ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[The Fleet (TRS)|civilian Fleet]] is very likely a civilian liner) <ref>Information formerly available on the [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar SciFi Channel Battlestar Galactica web site]. Some information on the official site has conflicted with aired content, so readers are warned that inconsistencies can occur.</ref>.

The Colonial Fleet was regarded by the Cylons to be a decisively superior force in a direct engagement. Therefore, the Cylons returned to a variation of their [[Cylon War]] [[Cylon Tactics|tactics]] by undermining the Colonial Fleet's [[CNP]] to attack ships equipped with the software from within ([[TRS]]: "[[Downloaded]]").

Battlestars mentioned destroyed in the Cylon attack include ''[[Triton (TRS)|Triton]]'', ''[[Solaria]]'', ''[[Columbia (TRS)|Columbia]]'', and ''[[Atlantia (TRS)|Atlantia]]'' (Admiral [[Nagala]]'s flagship). Upon Nagala's death, Commander [[William Adama]] of ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'' assumes command of the remains of the Colonial Fleet, ordering them to regroup at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] for a counter-attack. However, [[Pegasus (TRS)|virtually]] all capital ships of the Colonial Fleet are destroyed, leaving Commander Adama (after consultation with new President [[Laura Roslin]]) to choose retreat from the Cylons, opting instead to protect the surviving members of humanity.

Approximately a year after the Cylon destruction of the Twelve Colonies, the remnants of mankind colonize the world of [[New Caprica]] on orders of new President [[Gaius Baltar]]. The two remaining battlestars of the Colonial Fleet, ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' (both manned by skeleton crews), orbit the planet and monitor for Cylon activity. A year after colonization, a Cylon fleet comprised of dozens of basestars finds the settlement. Unable to fight off an invasion of such magnitude, ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' retreat to safety, leaving most of the civilian fleet under Cylon occupation on the surface of New Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").

In the [[Battle of New Caprica]] four months later, ''Galactica'' is severely damaged while escaping with the liberated civilians. ''Pegasus'', however, is destroyed after taking significant damage and ramming a [[Basestar (TRS)|basestar]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Exodus, Part II]]"). ''Galactica'' constitutes the only surviving vessel within the Colonial Fleet until it is destroyed ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

==Limits of Authority==
The Colonial Fleet is aware that they are a military force, not a police force. Commander [[William Adama]] warns new President [[Laura Roslin]] that mixing the two roles can turn the military against its own citizens. Acting commander [[Saul Tigh]] ignores this principle when attempting to stop an supply boycott in the [[The Fleet (TRS)|civilian Fleet]], leading to the deaths of four civilians aboard the ''[[Gideon]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Resistance]]").

Biological warfare is restricted in the Twelve Colonies, requiring presidential authorization ([[TRS]]: "[[A Measure of Salvation]]"). However, battlestar commanders have battlefield authority to use nuclear weapons ([[TRS]]: "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]").

==Ships of the Colonial Fleet==
* [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]
* [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class battlestar]]
* [[Valkyrie|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]
*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' class battlestar]]
* [[Raptor]]
* [[Viper Mark II]]
*[[Viper Mark III]]
* [[Viper Mark VII]]
* [[Stealthstar]]

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial]]
[[Category:Colonial Military]]
[[Category:Colonial Military (TRS)]]
[[Category:Organizations]]
[[Category:TRS]]

[[de:Kolonialflotte (RDM)]]
[[es:Flota Colonial]]

<pagesidebar>
* See Also
** Military Ranks (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Ranks
** Uniforms (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Uniforms
** Insignia (RDM)|Colonial Fleet Insignia & Patches
** List of terms (RDM)#Military|Colonial Fleet Terminology
** Military - Government relations|Military—Government Relations
* The Original Series
** Colonial Fleet (TOS)|Colonial Fleet
** Colonial Warrior|Colonial Warriors
</pagesidebar>

Talk:Viper Mark III/Archive 1

2012-11-27T00:32:19Z

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==Size==
Those numbers seem big! Surely you can't just read them off the scale off the graph as that's for the "ground" level, while in the top down view the Vipers we see are several meters up, and so closer to the viewer, so perspective would inflate the apparent size. [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 17:35, 14 November 2012 (EST)

:I thought the same thing, but that's the math. The top-down view is an orthographic projection taken directly from Lightwave, so there isn't any perspective distortion make the Vipers look bigger than the floor (the bottom Viper has another one below and slightly ahead of it. You can see the nose and forward wingtips peaking out, and they're exactly the same size as the one above it, proving there's no perspective). I also scaled a Mark II orthographic publicity render to it for comparison, and the cockpits are the same size (and from the shots in B&C, the III seems to be using the same physical cockpit set as the II did). [[http://www.gian-cursio.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Viper237.jpg See for yourself.]] -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 18:27, 14 November 2012 (EST)

::That is a HUGE Viper! Why would that make it so big? I mean, I know Vipers are pretty damn small compaired to modern aircraft but.. would that even still fit in an unmodified launch tube? [[User:Phalanx-a-pedian|Phalanx-a-pedian]] 04:37, 16 November 2012 (EST)

==update picture==

This page should update it's main picture as in episode 5 of Blood and Chrome there are much clearer shots of the Viper IIIs that show the whole Viper without obstruction. Tried adding this myself, but unfortunally was not able to include pictures on this Wiki. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 14:33, 23 November 2012 (EST)

Heres a couple of pictures I took of it you can use. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III.png http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/_VARGR_/Viper-mark-III2.png

::Tried myself. Didn't work. I don't think it like the dashes (-) you have in the file names. - [[User:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

Well if you're able to upload pictures yourself just take one of these and save it onto your computer then upload to the wiki and hopefully that will work. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 19:32, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Talk:Unnamed Colonial vessels/Archive 1

2012-11-25T17:59:06Z

VARGR: /* Another indentified class not meantioned on this page */

Galactica type battlestar

2012-11-25T04:18:53Z

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:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of an aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this line are still in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]]; however, most were retired in favor of smaller [[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie Type]] battlestars.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= Retired. [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|Survived]] by the Battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]].
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica'' in it's original configuration alongside refited ships of the same Class ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while its defensive armaments ensure that it is fully capable of both protecting itself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and its sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
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=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
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==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]")]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|''Galactica'' in its Cylon War outfit (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*22 Original configuration or 24 (Post-Refit) ([[First Cylon War]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'')) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak"> These are rail guns (Post-Refit) ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:In the original configuration these turrets were located entirely on the Dorsal surface. However, Post-Refit the turrets locations were changed so as to be mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to its scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== See also ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Athena (battlestar)#Athena (battlestar)|Athena]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints for ''Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her. This is the first time this class has been named by an official source and confirms that the Big G was not the first battlestar to be built.

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2012-11-25T01:38:43Z

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:''This article lists seen, but unnamed [[battlestar]]s and their support ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Reimagined Series]].''

== ''Galactica'' type ==

During the First [[Cylon War]], ''Galactica'' and two unnamed Battlestars are seen with their Viper escorts over one of the Colonies ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

An unnamed ''Galactica'' type Battlestar is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another unnamed ''Galactica'' type is seen participating in [[Operation Raptor Talon]], in cooperation with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' ("[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

At least two ''Galactica'' type Battlestars are moored at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] at the time of the surprise attack against the Colonies. They are sitting ducks, and are quickly destroyed by Cylon forces ("[[Razor]]"). <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=690</ref> <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=691</ref>

Another ''Galactica'' type is seen wrecked above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after the renewed Cylon attacks ("[[Miniseries]]").

<gallery>
Image:15.jpg|''Galactica'' and two refited ''Galactica'' type Battlestars over one of the Colonies.
Image:Destroyed Battlestar Mini.JPG|A destroyed ''Galactica'' type battlestar near Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]").
Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|''Columbia'', ''Galactica'' and one unnamed battlestar over an [[ice planet]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").
Image:ScorpionFleetShipyards1.jpg|Docked at the shipyards over Scorpia (upper right) ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
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== ''Valkyrie'' type ==

At least four unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type Battlestars are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least four Battlestars of ''[[Valkyrie]]'''s design are also docked at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards and destroyed by the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

One unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type is seen taking formation alongside the Battlestars ''[[Yashuman]]'' and ''[[Valkyrie]]'' in the opening moments of the renewed Cylon attacks against the Colonies, and is destroyed above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after ("[[The Plan]]").

<gallery>
Image:Valkyrie-type battlestar.jpg|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar destroyed in its berth ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie The Plan.png|''Valkyrie'', ''Yashuman'', and a third ''Valkyrie'' type prepare for Cylon attack ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie B C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''"Berzerk"'' type ==

At least three ''"Berzerk"'' type<ref>Based on an original design by [[Eric Chu]], the version seen in "Razor" was created by Charles Oines of [http://www.irrationaldesigns.com/index.html Irrational Designs]. While not [[canon]]ical, Oines's artwork designates the vessel as a "Berzerk-class". His web site has full renderings of the ship.</ref> cruisers are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another ship of this class, is docked next to ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' during the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

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Image:Pegasus, Scorpion Shipyards.jpg|Docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie_B_C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''"Defender"'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Wedge-shaped vessel}}

An unnamed ship of this class is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least two ships of this class are converted for civilian use, and escape the Colonies with the Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[TRS]]).

<gallery>
Image:Unknown Wedge Vessel.jpg|A ''"Defender"'' type is seen fleeing [[New Caprica]] after being discovered by a Cylon fleet ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").
Image:Wedge.PNG|Seen with the Fleet just before ''[[Galactica]]'' jumps away to the Cylon Colony ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Seen (bottom left) hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''Loki'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Loki}}

There are at least three ships of this class, including the ''Loki'' hiding out in Cylon held space near [[Sector 12]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

There is at least two of these ships flying formation with ''Galactica'' when [[William Adama]] is brought aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

<gallery>
Image:Loki.png|Fore section of the ''Loki'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Two ''Loki'' type heavy cruisers hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Loki Engines.png|Aft section of the ''Loki'', featuring an engine pod ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
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== ''"Catamaran"'' type ==

There are at least 2 ships of this class<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Two more vessels of this class are also seen with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' battle group when [[William Adama]] transfers aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

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Image:Battlestar Galactica - Blood And Chrome Appearence.png|The ''"Catamaran"'' type can be seen above and below the ''Galactica'', with a ''Loki'' type in the background.
Image:Catamaran.png|The underside of the ''"Catamaran"'' type. They appear similar in design to the ''Orion'' class.
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2012-11-25T01:35:31Z

VARGR: /* Galactica type */

:''This article lists seen, but unnamed [[battlestar]]s and their support ships in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TRS)|Reimagined Series]].''

== ''Galactica'' type ==

During the First [[Cylon War]], ''Galactica'' and two unnamed Battlestars are seen with their Viper escorts over one of the Colonies ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

An unnamed ''Galactica'' type Battlestar is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another unnamed ''Galactica'' type is seen participating in [[Operation Raptor Talon]], in cooperation with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', and ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' ("[[Razor Flashbacks]]").

At least two ''Galactica'' type Battlestars are moored at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] at the time of the surprise attack against the Colonies. They are sitting ducks, and are quickly destroyed by Cylon forces ("[[Razor]]"). <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=690</ref> <ref>http://www.battlestarforum.com/album.php?albumid=68&pictureid=691</ref>

Another ''Galactica'' type is seen wrecked above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after the renewed Cylon attacks ("[[Miniseries]]").

<gallery>
Image:15.jpg|''Galactica'' and two refited "Galactica" type Battlestars over one of the Colonies.
Image:Destroyed Battlestar Mini.JPG|A destroyed ''Galactica'' type battlestar near Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]").
Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|''Columbia'', ''Galactica'' and one unnamed battlestar over an [[ice planet]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor Flashbacks]]").
Image:ScorpionFleetShipyards1.jpg|Docked at the shipyards over Scorpia (upper right) ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
</gallery>

== ''Valkyrie'' type ==

At least four unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type Battlestars are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least four Battlestars of ''[[Valkyrie]]'''s design are also docked at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards and destroyed by the Cylons ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

One unnamed ''Valkyrie'' type is seen taking formation alongside the Battlestars ''[[Yashuman]]'' and ''[[Valkyrie]]'' in the opening moments of the renewed Cylon attacks against the Colonies, and is destroyed above [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] shortly after ("[[The Plan]]").

<gallery>
Image:Valkyrie-type battlestar.jpg|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar destroyed in its berth ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie The Plan.png|''Valkyrie'', ''Yashuman'', and a third ''Valkyrie'' type prepare for Cylon attack ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie B C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Berzerk"'' type ==

At least three ''"Berzerk"'' type<ref>Based on an original design by [[Eric Chu]], the version seen in "Razor" was created by Charles Oines of [http://www.irrationaldesigns.com/index.html Irrational Designs]. While not [[canon]]ical, Oines's artwork designates the vessel as a "Berzerk-class". His web site has full renderings of the ship.</ref> cruisers are seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Another ship of this class, is docked next to ''[[Pegasus (TRS)|Pegasus]]'' during the [[Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").

<gallery>
Image:Pegasus, Scorpion Shipyards.jpg|Docked at the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]").
Image:Valkyrie_B_C.png|In hiding... ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Defender"'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Wedge-shaped vessel}}

An unnamed ship of this class is seen hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'', the cruiser ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ("[[Blood and Chrome]]").

At least two ships of this class are converted for civilian use, and escape the Colonies with the Battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[TRS]]).

<gallery>
Image:Unknown Wedge Vessel.jpg|A ''"Defender"'' type is seen fleeing [[New Caprica]] after being discovered by a Cylon fleet ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").
Image:Wedge.PNG|Seen with the Fleet just before ''[[Galactica]]'' jumps away to the Cylon Colony ([[TRS]]: "[[Daybreak]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Seen (bottom left) hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''Loki'' type ==
{{mainarticle|Loki}}

There are at least three ships of this class, including the ''Loki'' hiding out in Cylon held space near [[Sector 12]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

There is at least two of these ships flying formation with ''Galactica'' when [[William Adama]] is brought aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

<gallery>
Image:Loki.png|Fore section of the ''Loki'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Wedge 2.png|Two ''Loki'' type heavy cruisers hiding with a Colonial ghost fleet within Cylon held space ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
Image:Loki Engines.png|Aft section of the ''Loki'', featuring an engine pod ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").
</gallery>

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== ''"Catamaran"'' type ==

There are at least 2 ships of this class<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> hiding out in Cylon held space along side the Battlestars ''[[Valkyrie]]'', ''[[Osiris]]'' and heavy cruiser ''[[Loki]]'' ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

Two more vessels of this class are also seen with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica's]]'' battle group when [[William Adama]] transfers aboard ([[TRS]]: "[[Blood and Chrome]]").

<gallery>
Image:Battlestar Galactica - Blood And Chrome Appearence.png|The ''"Catamaran"'' type can be seen above and below the ''Galactica'', with a ''Loki'' type in the background.
Image:Catamaran.png|The underside of the ''"Catamaran"'' type. They appear similar in design to the ''Orion'' class.
</gallery>

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Talk:Unnamed Colonial vessels/Archive 1

2012-11-25T01:32:27Z

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2012-11-25T01:24:50Z

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Becca Kelly

2012-11-24T23:44:46Z

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{{Character Data
|photo=Beka Kelly.jpg
|seen=Blood and Chrome
|pseen=''Blood and Chrome''
|role=Scientist at [[Graystone Industries]]
|colony=
|actor=[[Lili Bordan]]
}}

'''Beka Kelly''' is a civilian software engineer working with the [[Colonial Fleet]] during the [[First Cylon War]].

Ten years into the war, Ensign [[William Adama]] and [[ECO]] [[Coker Fasjovik]] are ordered to transport Kelly aboard the [[Raptor]] ''[[Wild Weasel]]'' to the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]] in an apparently routine mission. Once out of [[DRADIS]] range of the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'', Kelly presents new orders from the Colonial Fleet and a new destination: the [[heavy cruiser]] ''[[Archeron]]'' at [[Sector 12]], near [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]-controlled space.

En route to the ''Archeron'', Kelly reveals to Adama her previous employment with [[Graystone Industries]] and involvement in the creation of the Cylons and their [[MCP|programming]].

Arriving at the rendezvous point, Kelly, Adama and Fasjovik discover the ''Archeron'' has been destroyed by the Cylons and are pursued by three [[Raider (RDM)#Cylon War-era Raider|Cylon raiders]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').

Having destroyed the pursing Raiders Kelly has the raptor send a signal with it responded to with cordinates deep in Cylon controlled space. Kelly orders the pilots to follow this course which leds them to a Colonial "ghost" fleet of ships that had been reported destroyed in action. Upon reaching this fleet two [[Viper Mark III|Vipers]] target and challenge the Raptor for a password causing Kelly to franticly look at her orders to it. At the last possible moment she responds on the radio with the password "arrow" which is accepted and the Raptor is permitted to land on board the [[Orisis]].

==Notes==
*Early information on Beka Kelly revealed her to be an "enigmatic, seemingly impenetrable software genius who gives [[William Adama|Adama]] a run for his money in more ways than one." <ref>http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/10/25/battlestar-movie-will-introduce-beka-kelly-an-enigmatic-software-genius/</ref>

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Galactica type battlestar

2012-11-24T23:23:53Z

VARGR: /* Overview */

:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of an aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this line are still in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]]; however, most were retired in favor of smaller [[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie Type]] battlestars.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= Retired. [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|Survived]] by the Battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]].
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica'' in it's original configuration alongside refited ships of the same Class ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while its defensive armaments ensure that it is fully capable of both protecting itself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and its sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
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=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
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==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]")]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|''Galactica'' in its Cylon War outfit (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 (Post-war Peace Time Refit) or 40+ ([[First Cylon War]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'')) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are rail guns ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to its scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== See also ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Athena (battlestar)#Athena (battlestar)|Athena]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints for ''Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her. This is the first time this class has been named by an official source and confirms that the Big G was not the first battlestar to be built.

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[[de:Kampfstern, Galactica-Typ]]
[[fr:Battlestar de type Galactica]]

Galactica type battlestar

2012-11-24T23:21:51Z

VARGR: /* Overview */

:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar class. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''

The '''''Galactica'' type battlestar'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> is a Colonial capital ship that combines the functions of an aircraft carrier and a battleship <ref>Although not strictly official and not yet shown or confirmed in the series itself, the September 2006 [http://www.maximonline.com/index.aspx Maxim] issue contained a photoshoot, including [[:image:GalacticaClass.jpg|this]] picture showing the weapons control room in the CIC. A printout on the table reads "Galactica class battlestar".</ref>. It was designed and deployed after the outbreak of hostilities between the [[Cylon Centurion 005|Cylons]] and Colonials. A few ships of this line are still in service over 40 years after the end of the [[Cylon War]]; however, most were retired in favor of smaller [[Valkyrie Type Battlestar|Valkyrie Type]] battlestars.
{{Ship Data
| image= Battlestar_stern.jpg
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes (at least 2 drives<ref name="ftl">'''Tigh:''' "Engineering/Combat. Please spin up FTL drives One and Two." ([[Miniseries]])</ref>)
| propol = 6 sublight engines (4 in outboard engine pods, 2 on main hull between engine pods), 40 maneuvering engines (in 10 clusters of 4)<ref name="zoic">Originally sourced to [[Zoic]] without explanation.</ref>
| crew= 5000
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= Primary and point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], conventional missiles, nuclear warheads, [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], [[Raptor|Raptors]]
| status= Retired. [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|Survived]] by the Battlestar [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]].
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
}}

==Overview==

[[Image:15.jpg|left|thumb|''Galactica Type Battlestars'' in their original configuration ([[TRS]]: [[Blood and Chrome]]).]]

The first twelve battlestars were laid down in the early days of the [[Cylon War]]. Each of these twelve battlestars represented one of the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]] ([[Miniseries]]).

The original battlestars were space-going leviathans of more than 4700 feet (1400 meters) in length, housing at least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters apiece and nuclear warheads. A fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while its defensive armaments ensure that it is fully capable of both protecting itself from attack and engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service and many newer battlestars were built. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the newer [[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' class]] represented the top of the line. Ships such as these and the ''[[Valkyrie]]'' type battlestars have nearly completely replaced the original battlestars, making ''Galactica'' the last of this unnamed class still in its original condition. [[Unnamed battlestars|A few other ships]] of the class remained in service, although it is likely that these battlestars shared only their external configuration with ''Galactica'', and were upgraded and thus more technologically advanced <ref name="upgrade">[[Aaron Doral]]'s comment at the start of the Miniseries, that ''Galactica'' is the "last of her kind", suggests that other ''Galactica'' type battlestars still in service use equipment that may be entirely different, regardless of the external configuration. Doral could also be referring to the lack of [[CNP|computer networks]] on ''Galactica'' as opposed to the rest of the fleet, which still indicates hardware upgrades during the vessels' lifetimes.</ref>.

==Layout==
The design common to ''Galactica'' and its sister ships can be broken down into two main sections: the main hull and the twin flight pods.

=== Main hull ===

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar and can itself be divided into three sections:

The "alligator head" contains water storage tanks ([[Water]]) and the [[CIC]].

The midships area contains the pod retraction mechanisms and crossways linking the hangar decks for the transfer of equipment and personnel ([[Miniseries]]).

The stern section contains sublight engines, [[FTL]] drives, etc. Four of the sublight engines are in engine pods, and two more are nestled in between the pods.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

=== Flight pods ===

:''Main article: [[Flight pod]]''

The flight pods are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor|Raptors]]. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During [[FTL]] jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, concealing their open ends and making launches and landings impossible, not including Viper launching; however, this would prevent the return of those Vipers. Later battlestar classes had fixed flight pods that did not retract, suggesting the design proved to be tactically disadvantageous and improvements in FTL rendered retraction unnecessary. Each flight pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod, and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod.

Landing approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the landing bay, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area ([[Act of Contrition]]). However, in emergencies, [[Combat landing|combat landings]] can be made, in which a craft approaches and lands at high speed on its landing skids ([[Miniseries]]).

The [[hangar deck]] is used for maintenance, repair, refueling, rearming, and launch operations and runs the length of the flight pod underneath the landing bay.
<div style="clear: both;"></div>

==Specifications==
[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|right|Comparison of a battlestar and ''Nimitz'']]

===Propulsion===
[[Image:Sublight.jpg|thumb|right|''Galactica'' with all six sublight engines engaged ([[33]])]]

:''Main article: [[Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series]]''

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable and can dock with space stations such as [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]) and can survive a jump and subsequent freefall into the atmosphere of a habitable planet ([[Exodus, Part II]]). A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of accurate jumps, able to place them in synchronous orbit above a relatively close planet and of placing them safely in the midst of an asteroid field ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]), or a planetary atmosphere. However, they are grossly inferior to [[Cylon]] systems in terms of [[Red Line|safe range]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

===Endurance===
Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without re-supplying. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Miniseries]], "[[Water]]"). They have ammunition assembly capabilities in the armory ([[Epiphanies]]) and may have small general fabrication facilities ([[Litmus]]). Vegetable stores and canned goods are kept in [[Wikipedia:Titanium|titanium]] lockers ([[Final Cut]]).
Battlestars are capable of continuing combat operations despite suffering massive damage, as evidenced by ''Galactica's'' continuing effectiveness at defending the fleet years after the first Cylon attack and following several punishing engagements ([[He That Believeth In Me]]).

===Computer systems===

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of networked primary computer systems during the [[Cylon War]], as [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] forces were adept at infiltrating and subverting such systems ([[Miniseries]]).

On ''Galactica'', in the post-Cylon War era, these primary [[computers]] remained isolated by practice on order of its last pre-Holocaust commanding officer, [[William Adama]]. This no-networks practice saved ''Galactica'' from the fate of its sister battlestars in the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] as ''Galactica's'' no-network order meant that the [[CNP]], installed in almost all [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] vessels at the time, could not be used aboard ''Galactica'' as the CNP was designed for use with a computer network.

In one dire instance in the early months of their exodus, ''Galactica'' networks its primary computers temporarily to aid in computation speeds for [[FTL|jump]] calculations needed to find the missing civilian Fleet ([[Scattered]]), but it is not without consequence. One or more computers are cracked during a Cylon attack with a Cylon [[Cylon computer virus|virus]], which proves resistant to removal and (weeks later) threatens the operation of the battlestar until the computers' hard drives are erased and restored from pre-Fall backup sets ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

===Armament===
[[Image:Flakfield.jpg|thumb|right|The flak field from ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> large turrets ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]")]]
[[Image:Battlestar Galactica Cylon War Configuration.png|thumb|right|''Galactica'' in its Cylon War outfit (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'').]]

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

*24 (Post-war Peace Time Refit) or 40+ ([[First Cylon War]] (''[[Blood and Chrome]]'')) large antiship [[Battery|gun turrets]] (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="flak">These are rail guns ([[Battlestar Galactica RPG]]) [[:Image:Guns Bottom.jpg|1]] and [[:Image:Guns Top.jpg|2]] mark the position of these guns, with 8 on the dorsal and 12 on the ventral hull (of which 8 are mounted on the bow). Note that 2 turrets on either side of the bow are partially obscured and not marked in image 1.</ref>
:These are mounted on the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the main hull and the ventral surface of the bow. The two guns on each turret fire in tandem. They have been shown to be quite effective against targets like [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]). These large guns are able to use both flak ammunition and high-explosive anti-capital ship shells. Additionally, the guns are able to engage in coordinated barrage strategies, such as salvo (and presumably, volley) fire.
[[Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|thumb|right|Some of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense turrets]]
*514 smaller point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece) <ref name="small">Number of the guns on the [[:Image:Guns Side.jpg|CGI model by Zoic, does not account for dorsally mounted and ventrally mounted guns]]</ref>
:These are mounted on the flight pods and other surfaces. Each barrel fires explosive rounds in bursts.
*Multiple nuclear warheads <ref name="nukes">As of the episode "[[Bastille Day]]", ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' was equipped with five nuclear warheads. This may be lower than the typical number, since ''Galactica'' was in the process of being decommissioned and had already had most of its ammunition removed. If this is the case, we must conclude that ''Galactica'' was unable to reload its supply of nuclear arms at [[Ragnar Anchorage]] (a sensible proposition, given the ease with which purported arms smuggler [[Leoben Conoy]] was able to gain access to the facility).</ref>
:Deployed from 12 [[Missile tubes|launch tubes]] mounted in the main hull ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
*At least 4 squadrons of 20 [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] space superiority fighters <ref name="vipers">After the destruction of 20 Vipers during the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was still able to muster a 40-Viper strong defensive screen by combining their remaining squadron of Mk. VII Vipers with a full squadron of Mk. II Vipers from a museum exhibit in the starboard flight pod. This suggests that ''Galactica'', with a single operational flight pod, was fielding two squadrons from it, and that when fully operational it could have fielded an additional two squadrons from the starboard pod.</ref>
:Even the latest Mk. VII Vipers remain compatible with this class's launch and recovery facilities.
*Numerous [[Raptor]] multi-role vehicles <ref name="raptors">At the time of the Cylon attack, ''Galactica'' was apparently equipped with at least eight.</ref>

===Crew===
''Galactica's'' crew complement prior to its scheduled decommissioning was approximately 2,800 <ref name="crew">According to a [[crew tally]], ''Galactica'' is staffed by approximately 2,700 people at the time of its decommissioning. The full crew complement would be higher as has been indicated as roughly twice as high by some sources.</ref>. This figure is almost certainly higher for a fully staffed, operational battlestar.

===Life support===
Approximately twelve oxygen recirculation units are mounted throughout the ship, which replenish oxygen as well as remove ("scrub") carbon dioxide from the air. These devices work continuously ([[Final Cut]]).

== See also ==
*Named:
**''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
**''[[Columbia (RDM)#First Columbia|Columbia]]''
**''[[Athena (battlestar)#Athena (battlestar)|Athena]]''
**''[[Archeron]]''
*Unnamed:
**See: [[Unnamed battlestars]]

*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Mercury class battlestar|''Mercury'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Valkyrie type battlestar|''Valkyrie'' type battlestar]]

* [[Battlestar Galactica Blue Prints|Blue prints for ''Galactica'' from the RPG]]
** '''Note:''' These are not considered [[canon]]ical.

==Notes==
*In the 10th chapter of ''The Science of Battlestar Galactica'', ''Galactica'' is refered to as a ''Jupiter''-class battlestar by the VFX artist who designed her. This is the first time this class has been named by an official source and confirms that the Big G was not the first battlestar to be built.

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Viper Mark VII

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:''This article discusses the newer Viper-class fighters seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on the older, generally obsolete Viper Mark II fighter from the same series, see [[Viper Mark II]]. For the Viper used in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] and in [[Galactica 1980]], see [[Viper (TOS)]].''

The '''Viper Mark VII''' is the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]'s latest update to the venerable [[Viper Mark II]] primary space superiority fighter / attack craft.
{{Ship Data
| image= ViperMK7grey.jpg
| title= Viper Mk. VII
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= No
| propol= 3 x turbo-thrust engines mounted aft, [[RCS]] points<ref name="propol">Very segmented exhaust nozzle design suggest possible thrust-vectoring.</ref>
| crew= 1 pilot in Terrell ES 24C ejection seat. <ref name="camp">Ammunition used was same as older Viper models; the Mark VII guns appear to have a higher rate of fire. Armaments listings and ejector seat details from David Bassom's ''[[The Official Companion|Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]''.</ref>
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons= 3 [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], missiles
| arm= 3 x forward-firing kinetic energy weapons ([[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|KEW]]), 2 mounted towards the outboard sections of the wings, 1 x mounted in the vertical stabilizer, Weapon hard-points for mounting missiles / munitions pods, etc. under the wings.<ref name="camp"/>
| status= In current Colonial service
| length= 32.3 feet (~9.8 meters)<ref name="dim">Dimensions provided by [http://www.leestringer.com/ Lee Stringer], one of the VFX Animators of the miniseries. These are for the CGI models, which are based on but not identical to the full size props. Source: [http://www.starshipbuilder.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000012.html Starshipbuilder.com forums]</ref>
| height= 9.7 feet (~3.0 meters)<ref name="inflight">In flight, without landing gear. Landing gear adds approximately 0.5m.</ref>
| wingspan= 18.4 feet (~5.6 meters)
}}

== Overview ==

Capable of atmospheric flight, the Mark VII is the front-line variant of the Viper design, retaining the Mark II's general layout but adding fully integrated avionics that provide superior battle management and flight information for the pilot.

Ironically, it is this incorporation of new integrated systems that prevents the majority of Mark VIIs from being effective during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]]: as with the majority of Colonial Fleet, the Mark VIIs suffer fatal computer system failures on contact with Cylon forces. Thanks to a [[Number Six|Cylon agent]]'s relationship with Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]], scientist and programmer of the navigation software project, the [[CNP|navigational software]] in use on board most Colonial Fleet vessels contains back-doors that allow the Cylons to infiltrate a vessel's computers by [[wireless]] signals and to disable its power systems. Though this problem can be overcome by removing the navigational upgrade compromised by the Cylons, the information is not discovered in time to benefit the surprised and hard-pressed Colonial forces.

Being a single-seat craft, it mounts three forward-facing kinetic energy weapons ([[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|KEW]]). In addition, it possesses hard-points beneath the wings for mounting missiles, munitions pods and other ordnance ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).

== [[Computers#Avionics|Avionics]] ==

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series#Vipers and Raptors|Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

[[Image:ViperMk7Avionics.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Mark VII main instrument panel]]
The Mark VII cockpit is almost totally computerized. There are far fewer analog gauges and more reliance is placed on a powerful central flight computer. This gives the Mark VII pilot far greater control of the fighter as well as, presumably, greater targeting control in a dogfight.

However, the latest and last software upgrade, the [[CNP]] upgrade, introduces a fatal flaw (inserted by a [[Caprica Six|Cylon agent]]) in the Mark VII that leads to the virtual annihilation of most of these fighters in the opening wave of the Cylon attack.

The surviving Mark VII fighters on both ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' are retrofitted to older avionics packages to replace the compromised CNP and eliminate further infiltration.

As of "[[Scar]]", ''Pegasus'' has begun to use her on board construction facilities to produce replacement Vipers. Materials mined in an asteroid field allow the production of two full squadrons. Additionally, since ''Pegasus'' joined the Fleet, Mark IIs have been steadily phased out in favor of retrofitted Mark VIIs.

== Armament ==

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper_and_Cylon_Raider|Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The Mark VII's main weapons are three forward-facing cannons, two in the wings and one in the vertical stabilizer. Typically, it is only the wing-mounted cannons that are used.

Like the [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]], it can also be armed with missiles.

== Performance ==

While the Mark II can rotate 180 degrees vertically in .35 seconds ([[Act of Contrition]]), it is presumed that the Mark VII has an equal or better performance ratio.
Given that the Mark II is capable of holding its own even against superior numbers of modern Cylon Raiders, the more advanced Mark VII probably also has an equal or superior performance as Raiders in the hands of a capable pilot.

== Other design features ==

The Viper Mark VII has primary and secondary hydraulics, the secondary system presumably acting as a redundant backup for mission-critical prime system. Damage to both systems does not significantly compromise the Viper's performance as a space combat craft, provided the pilot is sufficiently skilled to manage the changed flight characteristics ([[Scar]]). The consequences of the loss of both systems in atmospheric flight would undoubtedly be far more dire.

==Known Viper Mark VIIs==
:''See [[List of Vipers]]''

== Notes ==
* Since ''Galactica'' only had 40 Viper Mark IIs aboard as part of its museum, they needed as many fighters as possible. The remaining Mark VII's advanced computer systems were refitted to resist Cylon infiltration. However, since this is not how the Mark VII was designed to fly, the craft is increasingly more difficult to handle and can only be flown by the most experienced pilots such as [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]. ''Galactica'' had roughly 6-8 Mark VIIs on board after the Cylon attack ("[[Scattered]]", "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]") <ref>Information previously available on the [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar SciFi] website.</ref>.
* According to [[David Weddle]] during the [[Podcast:Scar#Act 2|"Scar" podcast]] the Mark VII cockpit design "was actually laid out based on, I think it's either the [[w:F-16 Fighting Falcon|F-16]] or the [[w:F/A-18 Hornet|F-18]]." The side-mounted control stick more closely resembles that of the F-16, which is appropriate given the "Viper" nickname of the jet (that was initially the General Dynamics codename for the project, which was in turn named for the [[Viper (TOS)|TOS Viper]]).
*Also revealed in the podcast for "Scar" is that the full cockpit interior for the Viper Mark VII was built for this episode. "Flight of the Phoenix" had paved the way for the construction of the full cockpit when "the line producers and the production designers figure[d] out ways to move money around that basically bought us this cockpit because we had built the [[Blackbird|stealth fighter]]." The cockpit interior may have been constructed at the same time the Blackbird was being built.
*Like the [[Viper (TOS)|Original Series' Viper]], the weapons fire of Vipers on the Re-Imagined Series is red, however, the button is on the center of the joystick for the Mark VII, and the left for the Mark II ([[33]]).
*According to ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]'', when creating the design of the Viper Mark VII, [[Gary Hutzel]] took a pre-existing design from the [[Battlestar Galactica (2003 game)|2003 video game]] loosely based on a mix of the Original Series and upcoming [[Miniseries]], then "did some modifications, and that became the Viper Mark VII".
*As of "[[Maelstrom]]", [[:image:Viper Mk VII Retcon Profile.jpg|a new exterior design]] for the Viper Mk VII is being used. It is characterized by angular air intakes - with three intakes on the ventral side as opposed to the original's single intake - and a compressed forward fuselage with chines extending only partway to the nose. Additionally, the new version possesses a drab gray hue that differs from the original's gunmetal-gray coloration. Due to the fact that all Mark VII fighters seen since "Maelstrom" display the later appearance, it was surmised that this was a [[retroactive continuity|retroactive update]] rather than a variant of an existing ship.
**However, [[:image:Retconned Viper Mk VII and original version on screen together.jpg|this shot]] taken from "[[Razor]]" displays both variants in action. Starbuck's Viper (in the foreground) is of the redesigned variant, while [[Showboat]]'s Viper (in the back) is the original version - characterized by gunmetal-gray armoring and the sleek forward fuselage. Taking this visual into account, it may be alternatively concluded that these are two versions of Viper (with the newer design perhaps being a product of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Viper production facilities). Accepting this conclusion would partly explain why the Mk VIIs present on ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s hangar deck bear the original appearance while those seen in action do not - there would no longer be a design conflict between the physical model and the CGI version of the craft. However, for sequences where an actor climbs into the physical model but is subsequently seen flying the new version (as it happens in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]" and "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" for example) the discrepancy is still present, although these shots show only the cockpit of the Vipers making this less obvious. In Razor and Season 4 both designs do appear onscreen although seldom together. However much of the confusion stems from all of the close up shots being of the Maelstorm design with the original design appearing in many the far out shots.

== Related Images ==
<gallery>
Image:Viper Mk VII-thrust.jpg|Zoic CGI model
Image:ViperMK7side.jpg|Zoic CGI model
Image:ViperMK7inferior.jpg|The belly of the Viper
Image:Mk VII, stalking asteroid field.jpg|Hiding in the shadows of an asteroid
Image:Viper Mk VII atmospheric flight.jpg| Atmospheric flight
Image:Brothers on patrol (Maelstrom).jpg|Joint patrol
Image:ViperMk7Avionics.jpg|Avionics
Image:Vipermk7interior 101 1080i.jpg|Control stick
</gallery>

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Valkyrie type battlestar

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|image= Bsg-ambush fleet.jpg
| title= ''Valkyrie'' type battlestar
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Unknown
| role= Capital battleship/carrier
| weapons= 20 small dual mounted turrets, 33 heavy dual turrets capable of firing missiles, Unknown number of point defense guns, at least 6 ship-to-ship missiles silos.<ref>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Misc/Backup/Galactica/New_BSG/Valkyrie/ValkyrieOrthoTopSide.jpg</ref><ref>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Misc/Backup/Galactica/New_BSG/Valkyrie/Valk_ends.jpg</ref><ref>http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Misc/Backup/Galactica/New_BSG/Valkyrie/Valk_Bottom.jpg</ref>
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| status= All ships [[Cylon attack|destroyed]]
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The '''''Valkyrie'' type [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]''' was first developed and deployed during the [[First Cylon War]]. This line of ships are still in service, and actively deployed over 40 years later, before the [[Cylon Attack|Fall of the Colonies]], and appear to make up a majority of the [[Colonial Fleet]].

== Design ==

The ''Valkyrie'' type is one of the smaller ships in service with the Colonial Fleet. Measuring around 700 meters long, it was about the length of the Flight pod on a [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]].

It featured four large sub-light engines, a number of smaller manoeuvring thrusters littered around the ship. In addition to this, it is presumed to have featured an FTL drive.

Physically it was far more "jagged" then other battlestar classes, with numerous sharp edges offset by numerous curved lines. The hull was covered with guns, missile launchers and sensors, giving it a sharp and streamlined but functional look. The class was far more compact then most others, with the pods closer to the main hull and the head being only a couple meters wider then the main hull. The underside of the ship showed much of the internal structures, and lacked significant weaponry, indicating that it was not designed to be exposed to fire in a battle.

Flight pods were single layered, each consisting of 3 [[Viper (TRS)|Viper]] launch tubes located in a rectangular section underneath the pod. The tubes ran parallel to the flight deck and pointing forwards. The launch tubes presumably operated in a different way to those on larger ships to allow a higher launch rate and may suggest a more offensively oriented approach to Viper launches. The tubes were also significantly longer. The ''Valkyrie'' type appeared to lack the Raptor pads seen on the [[Mercury Class Battlestar|''Mercury'' Class]], however, there were sections on either side near the tip of the head that may have served this purpose.

== Weaponry ==

The ''Valkyrie'' type has more weapons per square meter then any other class. Equipped with 20 small turrets, and 33 heavier (though much smaller then on other classes) ones, it has a huge number of guns. Presumably, there are an unknown number of point defense guns that would be located between the armor plating, much like the ''Mercury''-class. This class mostly relies on missiles weapons than other classes, with the large turrets capable of firing small anti-fighter missiles, and with at least 6 silos containing ship to ship missiles.

Size and disposition of a typical ''Valkyrie''-type's airwings is never stated, however in "[[The Plan]]" ''Valkyrie'' has at least 20 Vipers nearby. Yet, this is not evidence that this represents the full airwing.

== Capabilities ==

Although a small hull (at least when compared to ships like the ''Mercury'' Class or ''Galactica'' type) these ships were heavily used. It may have served in a role similar to frigates in modern navies as they are shown being used for a number of roles including patrols, covert operations and even planetary protection. The small size, mass production, and apparent range of abilities presumably meant that it was perfect for a peace time fleet, as they would be cheep, and would have a number of uses. It may have lacked the ability to produce Vipers unlike it's larger cousins.

== See also ==

*''[[Valkyrie]]''
*''[[Yashuman]]''
*[[Mercury Class Battlestar|''Mercury'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Orion Class Battlestar|''Orion'' Class battlestar]]
*[[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]]

== Notes ==

*In "Razor," a few ''Valkyrie-''types can be seen at the Scoprion Fleet Shipyards with what would appear to be a roll bar above the engine section. This feature is not present during the Cylon attack on the shipyards, leading to speculation that the ships seen with the roll bar were in fact different to those seen without it. 

*The [[Science of Battlestar Galactica]] names two Battestars as being at the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards during the attack. These ships, ''Bellerophon'' and ''Remses,'' are thus likely examples of this class.

== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Valkyrie B C.png|Some ''Valkyrie'' types hiding out in Cylon held space during the First Cylon War.
Image:Valkyrie close up.jpg|Closeup of a ''Valkyrie'' type battlestar.
Image:3x8-Valkyrie-Firing.jpg|''Valkyrie'' firing a ship-to-ship missile.
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie The Plan.png|''Valkyrie'' among her sister ships above Caprica.
Image:Valkyrie CNP Virus Transmission.png|''Valkyrie'' under attack.
Image:Battlestar Valkyrie CNP Hack.png|''Valkyrie'' after being disabled by the CNP's backdoors.
Image:Valkyrie-type battlestarII.jpg|A ''Valkyrie'' type battlestar destroyed over [[Scorpia]].
Image:ValykrieFlightPod.jpg|One of the ship's flight pods.
Image:Valkyrie batteries.jpg|The ship's batteries.
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Galactica (TRS)

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:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] battlestar. For other meanings of '''''Galactica''''', see [[Galactica (disambiguation)]].''
{{Ship Data
| image= Galactica Overview.jpg
| title= Galactica (BS 75)
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= Yes
| crew= Approximately 3,500
| length= {{Meters2Feet|1438.64}}<ref>These dimensions (in meters) were derived from the CG model and posted by [[Lee Stringer]] on the StarshipBuilder.com forums, which are no longer available. They are the most precise so far. The width with pods extended and the height are quoted here verbatim; the length was calculated by adding the posted dimension for the front of the ship (766.04m) to the posted dimension for the back (672.6m). The full set as provided by Lee Stringer is as follows: "Width (Pods out) 536.84m (Pods In) 352.34m
Engines Max 359.38m Head Max 334.58m
Length: Front (Main body) 730.65m (Antenee) 766.04m Back 672.6m
(using the center of the two arms as the middle)
Height (Armor/Mainbody) 181.825m (Details) 183.315m".</ref>
| width= {{Meters2Feet|536.84}}<ref name="podtopod">This is from flight pod to flight pod while they are extended.</ref>
| height= {{Meters2Feet|183.315}}
| otherdi= The dimensions above are from [[Lee Stringer]], who built the ''Galactica'' CG model. VFX Sequence Designer [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]] gave the length as {{Feet2Meters|4740}}.<ref>[http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/how-big-was-the-colony/#comment-2193 Blog comment] by [[Adam "Mojo" Lebowitz]].</ref> The reason for this twenty-foot discrepancy is unknown.
| co= Commander [[Silas Nash]], Admiral [[William Adama]]
| xo= Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
| role= Carrier / battleship hybrid
| weapons= As many as 514 dual point-defense [[KEW|Kinetic Energy Weapons]], 24 primary dual Kinetic Energy Weapons (post war configuration), 40+ Primary Cannons (Cylon War Configuration, [[Blood and Chrome]]), at least 12 [[missile tubes]] capable of firing conventional and nuclear missiles, Vipers, Raptors
| status= Abandoned, flown into the Sun with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]
| img= Y
}}
'''''Galactica'' (BS 75)''' is a [[Galactica type battlestar|veteran battlestar]] and the last of her kind still in service with the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|destruction of the Twelve Colonies]]. Built during the early days of the [[Cylon War]], she remains the only military vessel without integrated [[Computers|computer networks]]. Without networked computers, ''Galactica'' never upgrades to the new [[Command Navigation Program|integrated defense system software]] developed by Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Number Six|team]]. Because of this and other factors, she becomes one of only two known battlestars (the other being ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'') to survive the renewed Cylon attack on the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. At the time of this attack, she was part of the 75th [[Battlestar Group]] (BSG-75).

== History ==
=== The First Cylon War ===
[[File:Battlestar Galactica - Blood And Chrome Appearence.png|left|200px|thumb|A dorsal view of ''Galactica'' as she appeared in the [[First Cylon War]]. Note the large array of gun turrets, armour plating and decals on the ship.]]
''Galactica'' was one of the first twelve battlestars to be constructed by the Colonials, each representing one of the twelve colonies; ''Galactica'' represented [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. While solidly built, various factors during ''Galactica's'' construction led to the shipyard "cutting corners" when she was originally built, with various components not completed to spec ([[TRS]]: "[[No Exit]]").

The original battlestars were all designed with non-integrated computer systems to avoid the Cylons' demonstrated ability to override or subvert networked command and control systems early in the war ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries, Night 1]]"). Rather than technological sophistication, the battlestar depended on its sheer bulk and defensive / offensive capabilities to ward off any threats to itself or the Colonies.

Even before the final Operation of the war and the eventual [[Armistice Station|armistice]] which lead to the end of the War and the Cylon withdrawal from Colonial space, ''Galactica'' had undergone a major refit, which saw the removal of many of her gun turrets, the redesigning of various areas such as CIC and the hangar deck, the removal of most of the ship's armor, and Viper stacks she carried in the prime of her service ([[Razor Flashbacks]]).

''Galactica'' took part in [[Operation Raptor Talon]] which then Lieutenant [[William Adama]] served on. After crash-landing on the ice planet the operation took place over and witnessing the experiments on humans, Adama contacted ''Galactica'' to take out the [[Guardian basestar]] which had just launched, but was informed by ''Galactica'', which had dispatched a [[SAR]] [[Raptor]] for him, of the Armistice. Adama wouldn't learn the truth of what he'd seen until the [[Battle of the Guardian basestar]] over forty years later.

===Post War Service===
For 20 years prior to her official de-commissioning ceremony, ''Galactica'' was regulated to intra-system duties and patrols, which often involved the shipping sector.<ref>This is inferred by [[Saul Tigh]] in his reaction to Action Stations being called, and Commander Adama's decision for a [[FTL]] jump ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries, Night 1]]").</ref>

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=== Decommissioning ===
[[Image:Ragnarbattle3.jpg|200px|right|thumb|''Galactica'' provides cover for civilian ships during the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]].]]
With her active career drawing to a close, a decision was taken to retire ''Galactica'' and decommission her from service. Colonial Fleet chose not to scrap her, but to turn her into a combination of living museum to the original Cylon War and an educational center, with her conversion being overseen by her final commander, [[William Adama]].

At the time of her formal decommissioning ceremony, ''Galactica'' is stripped of all but one of her operational [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] Mark VII squadrons, her munitions are destroyed, and her starboard landing pod is converted into a pressurized [[Galactica Museum|museum]] which houses (among other things) a full squadron of [[Viper Mark II|Mk. II Vipers]] as well as a Viper model that appears [[Viper (TOS)|older than the Mark II]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries, Night 1]]").

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=== Return of the Cylons ===
[[Image:Mini side fleet.jpg|thumb|right|200px|''Galactica'' and the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].]]
With the renewed and unexpected Cylon hostilities, ''Galactica'' is quickly brought back to combat condition and sorties several Mark IIs retrieved from her museum, engaging in her first battle with the Cylons in over 40 years (all but one last Mark VII squadron were sent to Caprica for reassignment). She survives a direct hit by a tactical nuclear missile, and later [[FTL|jumps]] successfully to [[Ragnar Anchorage]] to replenish her empty ammunition stores at this strategic depot.

''Galactica'' emerges from the anchorage and engages one [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] with her gun batteries, providing cover for [[The Fleet (RDM)|a fleet of 75 civilian ships]] harboring survivors of the Twelve Colonies. Once the entire civilian fleet successfully jumps away, and as a second basestar approaches to join the battle, ''Galactica'' recovers her remaining Vipers and jumps to the rendezvous point beyond the [[Red Line]], never to return to Colonial space ([[TRS]]: "[[Miniseries]]").

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=== Leading a Ragtag Fleet ===
[[Image:Ep212battle.jpg|200px|right|thumb|''Galactica'' and [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] work together during the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]].]]
Since the exodus of the Colonials from their overrun homeworlds, ''Galactica'' becomes both protector and provider for the Fleet. She provides covering fire for the Fleet during Cylon attacks no fewer than 240 times ([[TRS]]: "[[33]]": "[[Act of Contrition]]"). The battlestar provides much of the Fleet with recycled water ([[TRS]]: "[[Water]]") and she is the primary source of medical care, where groups of civilians are periodically brought aboard for check-ups and treatment ([[TRS]]: "[[Litmus]]"). ''Galactica'' also undertakes internal policing duties within the Fleet ([[TRS]]: "[[Water]]"; "[[Bastille Day]]").

''Galactica'' successfully goes on the offensive against the Cylons, capturing a [[tylium]] fuel mining and processing plant in the process ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]").

The [[Mercury class battlestar|advanced battlestar]] ''Pegasus'', commanded by Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]], joins ''Galactica'' approximately 6 months into their exile (See the series [[Timeline (RDM)|timeline]] for special information about this milestone). The two battlestars destroy two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] as well as a critical Cylon support ship known as the [[Resurrection Ship]]. After Admiral Cain's death, President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] promotes William Adama to Admiral, restoring him to overall Fleet command, but now with two battlestars at his disposal ([[TRS]]: "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]").

===New Caprica===
[[Image:Leaving New Caprica.jpg|thumb|right|200px|''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and the orbiting fleet prior to leaving [[New Caprica]].]]
Following the founding of [[New Caprica]], ''Galactica'' is assigned to the orbital defense force that protects the planet. During this time the majority of her crew are allowed to the surface in an effort to populate the planet and restore the human race, a majority of whom are seemingly convinced that the Cylons will never find New Caprica. The diminished crew inevitably results in standard maintenance becoming overlooked or ignored; basic military responses, such as the launching of alert fighters and routine training exercises become difficult to execute. One year following the founding of New Caprica, a fleet of Cylon ships jump into orbit of the planet. Severely limited in their abilities, Admiral Adama orders the defense fleet to jump away from New Caprica along with a handful of civilian ships still in orbit of the colony. They vow to eventually return to New Caprica and liberate it from the Cylon invaders ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]").

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===[[Battle of New Caprica]]===
[[Image:BONC.jpg|thumb|right|200px|''Galactica'' takes a pounding during the [[Battle of New Caprica]].]]
Four months after their escape, ''Galactica'''s staff is still in the process of developing a rescue strategy with 16 training exercises having been completed and a 17th underway when an accident causes its early cessation ([[TRS]]: "[[Occupation]]"). This forces both a change in strategy and the reformulation of a rescue plan to deal with personnel who have not seen conflict in 16 months. While ''Galactica'' fights to liberate the Colonials on-planet, ''Pegasus'' is assigned to protect the remaining civilian Fleet and continue its search for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Precipice]]"; "[[Exodus, Part I]]").

After coordinating with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], ''Galactica'' leaves ''Pegasus'' to guard the space-bound members of humanity while it uses a series of drones to misdirect the bulk of the Cylon Raiders and avoid immediate detection by baseships, thus allowing the civilians on the planet to escape to their ships and flee New Caprica.

''Galactica'' then jumps into low orbit, plummeting from an altitude of 100,000 feet. As the ship falls, Admiral Adama orders the launch of all remaining Vipers. ''Galactica'' then jumps back into orbit. In the subsequent battle with the orbiting basestars, ''Galactica'' is overtaxed, out-gunned, and faces destruction when ''Pegasus'' unexpectedly arrives. ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> salvos draw the attention of the basestars away from ''Galactica'', buying ''Galactica'' time to bring her [[FTL|FTL drives]] back on-line and escape, but at the cost of ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> destruction ([[TRS]]: "[[Exodus, Part II]]").

''Galactica'' bears the scars of the battle with significant scorching and dents to the hull. Nonetheless, the battlestar remains combat ready, holding off a superior Cylon force for a short duration in the [[Battle of NCD2539]] ([[TRS]]: "[[A Measure of Salvation]]"), and threatening to use its nuclear arsenal twice after New Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"; "[[Crossroads, Part II]]"). Given the loss of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' now boasts a larger crew, Viper and Raptor complement, to the point where there are more pilots than there are ships to fly ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]"), although the training of new recruits is still ongoing ([[TRS]]: "[[Dirty Hands]]"; "[[Crossroads, Part II]]"; "[[He That Believeth in Me]]"). Further, there are various redundancies between the two crews that are appropriately dealt with (e.g. [[Lee Adama]] in a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)|deleted scene]] from "[[Exodus, Part II]]").

Colonel Tigh comments that ''Galactica'' took so much damage in this battle that it would "take six weeks in dry dock just to bang out the dents" ([[TRS]]: "[[A Day in the Life]]"). This indicates that the damage is extensive enough to require a significant amount time (probably months) for full repair, and would be unlikely to survive a massive battle again.

=== Resuming the Search for Earth ===
''Galactica'' takes aboard a significant quantity of civilians following the exodus from New Caprica, as several civilian ships are lost during the escape from the failed colony. Cramped conditions increase as crew and civilians struggle to adapt to life back aboard a ship. The civilians reside on the refurbished starboard hangar deck as a refugee camp nicknamed "[[Camp Oil Slick]]" and later "Dogsville" ([[TRS]]: "[[Torn]]"; "[[The Woman King]]").

During a [[The Passage|food shortage crisis]] caused by contamination of the Fleet's food processing systems, ''Galactica'' (along with her Raptors acting as pilot ships) guides the civilian Fleet through an area of intense heat, light and radiation caused by a [[Passage (star cluster)|dense star cluster]] to reach edible resources on the [[algae planet]]. ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> heavy armor and radiation shielding protect her from the intense effects of the cluster, but the ship still suffers hull damage and decompressions.

The ship confronts a Cylon fleet and barely escapes a nova during [[Eye of Jupiter|the events over the algae planet]], jumping out at the last moment after recovering its ground teams and additional data on a way-point to Earth known to the Colonials as the [[Ionian nebula]] ("[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", "[[Rapture]]"). Repairs continue on the journey to the Ionian nebula. Damage to one particular airlock nearly causes the deaths of Galen and Cally Tyrol during what they expected to be a quick repair of a hull micro-fracture ([[A Day in the Life]]).
[[Image:BOTIM.jpg|thumb|left|200px|''Galactica'' is outnumbered during the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]].]]
When the Fleet reaches the nebula, four Cylon baseships are detected following an unexplained power outage. With the entire Fleet crippled and unable to escape, ''Galactica'' scrambles her Vipers and prepares for a lopsided fight, outnumbered and outgunned ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). During the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|following battle]], ''Galactica'' manages to hold off the main attack of the massive Cylon attack force. Despite the damage suffered in previous engagements, the old warship wields her main guns and point defense batteries effectively again in defense of the Fleet. During the battle ''Galactica'' takes many hits while covering the Fleet, with one of her dorsal gun batteries being destroyed. Despite having the advantage, and managing to destroy or damage several civilian ships, the Cylons retreat in the middle of the battle, after detecting one of the [[Final Five]] among the Colonials ([[He That Believeth in Me]]).

''Galactica'' is once forced to prepare for a battle against the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon basestar]], but the ''[[Demetrius]]'' arrives to defuse the situation. In the wake of the basestar disappearing from the Fleet ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]), [[Saul Tigh]] assumes command of ''Galactica'', jumping along with the Fleet ([[Sine Qua Non]]).

After [[Kara Thrace]] picks up a strange signal in [[Starbuck's Viper|her Viper]], the Colonials have a direct bearing towards Earth. Shortly later, after several years of searching, ''Galactica'' and her Fleet finally make the last jump to Earth ([[Revelations]]).

=== Post-Earth ===

After discovering [[Earth]] is a nuclear wasteland, discipline and morale on ''Galactica'' fall dramatically and the overall cleanliness of the ship suffers, e.g. outside [[CIC]], the words "Frak Earth" are spray-painted on the walls ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]). When former deck chief [[Galen Tyrol]] disables the FTL drive, foiling the mutineers' escape with the ship, he discovers multiple tears in the chamber's walls, a sign that the aging battlestar's structural integrity is faltering ([[Blood on the Scales]]).
[[Image:Damaged Galactica.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A heavily damaged ''Galactica''.]]
A structural survey of the ship finds several torn supports and weakened areas in the hull, and a more in-depth examination finds endemic metal fatigue throughout the ship, with virtually every part of the hull riddled with small cracks and fissures.

''Galactica's'' advanced age, the corners cut during construction and the abuse it has been put through since the war started contributed to its condition. Tyrol suggests treating the damaged parts of the ship with an [[Cylon organic resin|organic Cylon resin]] from the [[Rebel Baseship]], which would fill the cracks and bear the stresses, which Adama at first refuses. However, Adama finally appreciates ''Galactica's'' dire condition when he finds a tear in a bulkhead in his quarters, and orders Tyrol to carry out his plan to repair the ship ([[No Exit]]). Tyrol later says that the resin will buy more time but the ship's integrity has been fundamentally weakened and it might not survive more FTL jumps- it is impossible to say how long she can hold. ''Galactica'' is dying of old age and accumulated battle damage.

Later ''Galactica'' is damaged even further when [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] jumps away very close to the hull. The resulting spatial distortion of her Raptor's FTL jump causes what appears to be buckling and explosive decompression in several sections of the alligator head of ''Galactica'' on her port side ([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]). This causes a chain reaction of explosions, structural failures and power outages throughout many parts of the ship including CIC.

At first refusing to accept the reality of the ship's fate, Admiral Adama gives the emotionally painful order to stop the repairs and begin the process of abandoning ship, moving to the Rebel Baseship as the Fleet's new flagship ([[Islanded In a Stream of Stars]]).

As the ship is slowly offloaded of parts and personnel, the Admiral relents one last time, stops the scrapping of the battlestar, and calls for volunteers for what will likely be a ''Galactica's'' final mission- to get the kidnapped Hera back from Cavil's Cylon colony ([[Daybreak, Part I]]).

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=== Endgame: [[Battle of The Colony|Battle of The Colony]] ===

[[Image:Battleofthecolony.jpg|thumb|right|200px|right|''Galactica'' takes massive hits seconds after jumping to [[The Colony]].]]
With a skeleton crew and a frail battlestar, Admiral Adama executes a daring mission to rescue Hera Agathon.

''Galactica'' jumps to the Colony at point-blank range. Besieged by the Colony's gun batteries at first, the ship is pummeled relentlessly (destroying the dorsal Colonial roundel) until the Hybrid Anders manages to take them and the Colony's Hybrids offline. As ''Galactica's'' Vipers engage incoming Raiders, her Raptors jump directly from their berth in the starboard [[flight pod]] (causing extensive damage to it) and maneuver to board the Colony.

Adama does the unbelievable: he rams ''Galactica's'' bow into the Colony, forming not only a second breech for his search teams to enter, but also forming an alternate escape route.

The rescue is successful thanks to Boomer's help (before Athena kills her), but ''Galactica'' is far from safe. The Raiders are still attacking the ship, destroying at least one of its remaining heavy gun batteries. The rescue teams are pursued back to ''Galactica'' by Cavil and his troops, determined to recapture Hera. Platoons of enemy Centurions swarm into the ship. Cavil personally leads an attack on CIC but is foiled.

Things appear to settle down after Cavil and Adama call a ceasefire. Cavil agrees to let ''Galactica'' leave with Hera in exchange for the information needed to bring back [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection technology]]. Part of the deal is that Cavil will leave humanity alone forever as well. The Raiders return to the Colony, while the Vipers return to ''Galactica''. However, as the Final Five begin to download their knowledge into the Colony, they are exposed to each other's secrets, and Galen Tyrol learns that Tory Foster murdered his wife [[Cally Tyrol]] ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol flies into a rage and kills Foster, severing the download. Chaos ensues and the ceasefire ends. The Raiders renew their attack on the ship. In CIC the Simon, Doral and Cavil there open fire but Apollo and Starbuck kill Doral and Simon while Cavil, realizing the hopelessness of the situation, kills himself.

Meanwhile [[Racetrack]]'s Raptor, drifting in space after all aboard were killed, is hit by a stray asteroid, causing the Raptor to launch its nuclear missiles into the Colony. The Colony's orbit immediately decays, pulling it into the black hole--threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it. But Kara Thrace jumps the ship, using coordinates she had extrapolated from [[The Music]] at the last second.

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=== Journey's End ===
[[File:Battlestar Over Africa.jpg|thumb|left|200px|right|A crippled ''Galactica'' seen in orbit over the Sahara Desert.]]
The ship does not retract its flight pods as Kara Thrace executes the emergency jump; this, as well as the cumulative stresses of the previous battle and the past four years turn out to be the death knell for the old battlestar. ''Galactica'' experiences a series of fatal structural failures that send shockwaves and fractures rippling through the ship, and the hull visibly flexes and twists. The ship suffers explosive decompression in various sections, causing support beams to crash through deck ceilings and blowing out sections of the hull, which has begun to shear off in pieces. While the Cylon organic resin applied earlier prevents ''Galactica'' from snapping in two, the ship permanently loses its FTL ability as its structure has been all but destroyed (Colonel Tigh mentions red-lines through the ship's lateral structural members, and groaning and buckling can be heard throughout the ship, indicating ''Galactica'''s framework is damaged beyond repair, and the resin is the only thing keeping the ship from ripping itself apart from the stress). However, despite the loss of FTL, ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s other systems are still online, including life support and sublight propulsion. The fear of being stranded in space due to the inability to jump is short-lived as ''Galactica'' arrives in the vicinity of a lush, blue-green habitable world, already populated by tribes of primitive humans who naturally evolved there.
[[File:The fleet's end.jpg|thumb|200px|right|''Galactica'' and her Fleet heading straight into the Sun.]]
The population of the Fleet, arriving later, agree to leave their technology behind and start new lives on the planet they decide to call "[[Earth (RDM)#A New Earth|Earth]]". The Rebel Cylons also decide to stay on the planet. With this decision, the Rebel Baseship is left to the Centurions, who leave to seek out their own destiny. Anders, still acting as ''Galactica'''s Hybrid, brings the legendary battlestar's adventures to a close as he pilots ''Galactica'' and the last ships in the Fleet into the Sun, destroying ''Galactica'' and her Fleet. Admiral Adama is the last person to leave the ship, departing in his Viper Mk II from his service in the Cylon War.

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== Equipment ==
Apart from any technological upgrades that may have been made to her sister ships, ''Galactica'' was built to the general technical specifications of her [[Galactica type battlestar|class]].

It is mentioned in [[Crossroads, Part II]] that ''Galactica'' is able to run on batteries - but that not all systems would work when the ship was battery powered so restoring engine, computer and electrical power was always a priority any time the batteries were the only thing powering Galactica.

===Starboard Flight Pod===

The starboard landing bay is eventually restored to usable condition, evidenced when Major Lee Adama lands his Raptor in the starboard pod. However, it is possible that this is due to a previously issued quarantine order and not because the flight pod is in regular use ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). The starboard hangar deck is designated an [[Dogsville|area of refuge]] for civilians displaced from lost ships (The Woman King).

During the last mission of ''Galactica'', this pod held a number of Raptors ready for launch, these deployed out of the pod by FTL jump with the result that the shock waves fatally weakened the pods structure and the pod blew open to space. ([[Daybreak part 2]])

Strangely at least part of the museum setup survives all the way to Daybreak part 2, despite a hull breach and part of it being flattened by a heavy raider [[Scattered]]. It's unclear why the museum was kept intact and/or repaired, though it's possible it was put right during the year on New Caprica before the Cylons found the planet, since this is probably the only period when the crew would have any spare time to fix it. This serves as a minor plot hole that may never be resolved.

The museum would certainly have been destroyed in the jump shock wave from the Raptors leaving the pod during the [[Battle of the Colony]] or the decompression immediately after that point, any remains were sent into the sun with the rest of the ship.

===Nuclear Warheads===
[[Image:Galactica nukes.jpg|200px|thumb|''Galactica'''s nuclear arsenal.]]
''Galactica'' has five nuclear warheads as of "[[Bastille Day]]". Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] uses one warhead to destroy the Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] orbiting Kobol ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), and Dr. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] cannibalizes one to use in his [[Cylon detector]]. He later gives the warhead to [[Gina Inviere]], who detonates it aboard ''[[Cloud Nine]]''.

It is unknown how many nuclear warheads ''Pegasus'' has when it encounters ''Galactica'', but the two ships pool their nuclear ordnance stockpiles after that. As of "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]", ''Galactica'' possesses at least seven warheads ([[missile tube]]s 4 through 10).

:''The yield of these weapons is unknown. It is likely they are of a "dial a yield" design which is common in real-life nuclear weapons. Because the physics of nuclear weapon design is a measurable science, and based on the size of the weapons seen on screen, the yield of ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> weapons may lie between 5 and 150 kilotons.''<ref>This is extrapolated from the size of the weapon, compared to a modern day ([[w:W80|W80]])-class nuclear warhead used by the United States.</ref> ''However, the energetic properties of [[tylium]] are so formidable that if a warhead design were to properly exploit even only 50% of the refined ore's enthalpy, a mere kilogram of it would allow for a yield of nearly 60 kilotons, and a one megaton yield warhead would require over 16.7 kg of refined tylium. The fact that the ore can also be used for explosives such as improvised mines ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]) opens a vast field of opportunities for heavy high yield weapons, not necessarily restricted to nukes in the traditional sense. If indeed a "dial a yield" capacity were part of the stock warhead's design, then it's possible that the addition of a weapon grade level of refined tylium would allow said yield to be considerably increased. Besides, the required high levels of pressure and heat could even be achieved with mere chemical implosion phases instead of atomic ones (ref. Fat Man bomb).''

===Vipers===
:''For information on the fighter squadrons stationed on ''Galactica'' see: [[Squadrons of Galactica]]''

[[image:1104Tube Mini.JPG|right|thumb|200px|A [[Viper Mark II]] in a launch tube.]]
[[image:Kg zoic-studio screen-caps-065.jpg|left|thumb|200px|A [[Viper Mark VII]] in the port [[Flight pod]].]]
Early in the flight of the Fleet, ''Galactica'' carried "40 Vipers and 21 pilots" ([[Act of Contrition]]) , of which at least six were Mark VIIs. Following the advent of ''Pegasus'', ''Galactica'' receives supplies that aid in the repair and refurbishment of her initial fighter complement ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]). Some time later, new Mark VII Vipers are constructed at ''Pegasus''s' Viper construction facilities utilizing the raw ore mined in an asteroid belt ([[Scar]]), and several of those are assigned to ''Galactica''.

With ''Pegasus'' destroyed at the [[Battle of New Caprica]], ''Galactica'' absorbs the former's fighter squadrons and personnel, and her Viper complement now counts approximately 80 planes. <ref>Dialogue from "[[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]" and "[[Sine Qua Non]]" establishes that 40 Vipers have been transferred to a Cylon basestar, which comprises half the ship's air wing.</ref>

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===Raptors===
[[image:Raptor port.jpg|right|thumb|200px|A [[Raptor]].]]
The number of [[Raptor|Raptors]] available to ''Galactica'' is portrayed inconsistently. The assumption prior to joining up with ''Pegasus'' is that the battlestar has at least five Raptors, having left [[Ragnar Anchorage]] with at least eight. After the Battle of New Caprica, ''Galactica'' takes on ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Raptors. The subsequent number of available craft is unknown, but is at least 40-50, considering how many Raptors are deployed to rescue to the resistance fighters on Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]") and still have enough to move people from ship to ship through out the Fleet.

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===Other Craft===
[[image:Blackbird FotP.JPG|right|thumb|200px|The [[Blackbird]], a special stealth ship, was constructed on ''Galactica''.]]
[[image:AtmoShutt.jpg|right|thumb|200px|One of ''Galactica'''s [[Atmospheric shuttle| shuttle]] craft.]]
*''Galactica'' possesses two [[Heavy Raider]]s. One is hit by ''Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s defensive fire and crashes into the starboard flight pod with unknown, but probably extensive, damage ([[TRS]]: "[[Scattered]]"). The other returns in operational status from [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Home, Part I]]"). One of these Heavy Raiders is relieved of its FTL navigation system for use on the rescue mission to Caprica ([[TRS]]: "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]").
* A Raider from the first Cylon War may be on board ''Galactica'' after one follows Starbuck into one of ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> landing bays and is shot down ([[TRS]]: "[[Razor]]"). A Cylon War era Raider, or at least a replica of one, was present in the [[Galactica Museum]], but has not been mentioned since.
*A second [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] comes into ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> possession after [[Daniel Novacek]]'s "escape" from a basestar, replacing the one retrieved by [[Kara Thrace]] and lost during the quest for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Hero]]").
*An experimental stealth fighter, the [[Blackbird]], is constructed using spare parts ([[TRS]]: "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]") and used in a critically successful reconnaissance mission to explore the nature of what comes to be known as the [[Resurrection Ship]]. The Blackbird is destroyed after completing its [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|first combat mission]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]").
*''Galactica'' possesses [[fuel tanker]]s used to supply fuel to Vipers and Raptors in flight without the need to dock with the ship. These may be dedicated craft or specially fitted shuttles or Raptors ([[TRS]]: "[[Occupation]]").

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== Crew ==
:''For information on Senior Staff, see : [[Senior Staff of Galactica]]''
:''For a list of pilots, see: [[List of Pilots]]''
:''For a list of deckhands, see: [[List of deckhands]]''
:''For a list of marines, see: [[Colonial Marine Corps]]''

Before the attack, ''Galactica'' has approximately 2,900 crewmen. By the time of the arrival of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', attrition has reduced this number to about 2,660. (c.f. [[Crew tally]])
It is unknown whether the Colonial Marines account for members or not.
*Between "[[Act of Contrition]]" and "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> offensive capability is also greatly hampered by the number of [[List of Pilots|qualified pilots]] available, and their lack of flight simulators with which to train more. Since ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> reunion with ''Pegasus'', this has ceased to be an issue ([[TRS]]: "[[Scar]]").

==Related Imagery==
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Image:BSG Ortho Top & Bottom.jpg|''Galactica'' - [[Zoic]] rendering    
Image:BSG Ortho Front, Back & Starboard.jpg|''Galactica'' - Zoic rendering    
Image:Galactica's top side.jpg|''Galactica'''s top side.
Image:Kg cg ns galactica-049.jpg|''Galactica'''s front - Zoic
Image:Battlestar stern.jpg|''Galactica'''s stern.
Image:Galactica retraction.jpg|Flight pod retraction area.
Image:Galactica's bottom-023b.jpg|''Galactica'''s bottom.
Image:Bsg damaged.jpg|''Galactica'' with battle damage. (High Res)
Image:Cylon War-era Galactica, "Razor" Flashback 1.jpg|''Galactica'' in the [[Razor]] Flashbacks.
Image:Galactica - flight pods retracted.jpg|''Galactica'' with flight pods retracted.
Image:BSG landing alcove.jpg|''Galactica'' landing alcove.
Image:Kg cg ns galactica-037.jpg|A cluster of rail guns.
Image:Battered Battlestar.jpg|Bow view of ''Galactica''.
Image:GalPeg.png|''Galactica'' overlooking the ''[[Pegasus]]''.
Image:Pointdefence2 101 1080i.jpg|''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> point defense batteries in action    
Image:Galactica fights off missile salvos.jpg|''Galactica'' establishes a defense perimeter.
Image:Raptor scramble.jpg|''Galactica'' scrambles [[Viper]]s and [[Raptor]]s.
Image:Colony Breech.jpg|''Galactica'' rams herself into [[The Colony]].
Image:Img0059.jpg|''Galactica'''s main batteries.
Image:Galactia's end.jpg|''Galactica'' and the Fleet depart for the sun, with the African continent in the background.
Image:CIC.png|''Galactica's'' CIC in her original configuration during the Cylon War.
Image:CIC 2.png|''Galactica's'' CIC in her original configuration during the Cylon War.
Image:CIC 3.png|''Galactica's'' CIC in her original configuration during the Cylon War.
Image:Hangar.png|''Galactica's'' hangar deck in its original configuration during the Cylon War.
Image:Cable Car.png|A cable car used to transport personnel through the ship.
Image:CIC Overview 1.jpg|''Galactica'''s CIC.
Image:Cicweaponscontrol1.jpg|Weapons control.
Image:Cictacticalstation1.jpg|Tactical station.
Image:Cic commstation.jpg|Communications.
Image:The Mess.jpg|The Officers' mess hall.
Image:Cicdmgcontrol.jpg|Damage control.
Image:Ftl2.jpg|FTL Drive.
Image:Bsg-1-10.jpg|The "War Room".
Image:Porthangardeck.jpg|The port hangar bay on ''Galactica''.
Image:DutyLocker.jpg|Crew quarters.
Image:GalacticaInterior Sickbay1.jpg|Sickbay
Image:Galactica Museum, "Daybreak, Part II".jpg| The ''Galactica'' museum in the starboard flight pod.
Image:Galactica corridor.jpg|The "A-shaped" corridors.
Image:BSG Blue prints.png|Schematics from the [[Battlestar Galactica Role Playing Game|roleplaying game]].
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== See also ==
*[[Galactica crew facilities (RDM)|Galactica crew facilities]]
*[[:Category:Galactica Areas (RDM)|Galactica Areas]]

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2012-11-23T21:00:43Z

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2012-11-23T19:33:16Z

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Viper Mark II

2012-11-22T19:22:30Z

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:''This article discusses the older, generally obsolete Viper-class fighters seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on the late [[First Cylon War]] Viper Mark III from [[Blood and Chrome]] see [[Viper Mark III]]. For information on the advanced Viper Mark VII from the same series, see [[Viper Mark VII]]. For the Viper used in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] and in [[Galactica 1980]], see [[Viper (TOS)]].''

The '''Viper Mark II''' was the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]'s primary space superiority fighter / attack craft during the initial [[Cylon War]]. 40 years later, they are used by ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' to effectively combat the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and their [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|more advanced fighters]] during the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|exodus from the Twelve Colonies]].
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| image= Bsg-viper-1.jpg
| title= Viper Mk. II
| race= Colonial
| type= Military
| ftl= No
| propol= 1 x Voram VM2-D15 upper turbo-thrust engine, 2x Voram VM3-D22 turbo-thrust engines, 2x reverse thrust motors, [[RCS]] points <ref name="armprop">Propulsion and weapon details from David Bassom's ''[[The Official Companion|Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]''.</ref>
| crew= 1 pilot
| role= Space superiority fighter
| weapons= 2 [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|Kinetic Energy Weapon]], missiles
| arm= 2 x MEC-A6 30mm Thraxon forward-firing kinetic energy weapons ([[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|KEW]]) mounted in the wing roots with 800 round magazine, Dorsal storage bay for 8 x HD-70 Lightning Javelin missiles (optional 50 megaton nuclear warhead)<ref name="armprop"/>. Weapon hardpoints for mounting missiles / munitions pods, etc. under the wings
| status=Decommissioned and presumed destroyed with most other colonial technology
| length= 27.6 feet (~8.4m)<ref name="di">Dimensions provided by [http://www.leestringer.com/ Lee Stringer], one of the VFX Animators of the miniseries. These are for the CGI models, which are based on but not identical to the fullsize props. Source: [http://www.starshipbuilder.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000012.html Starshipbuilder.com forums]</ref>
| height= 8.9 feet (~2.7m)<ref name="di"/><ref name="inflight">In flight, without landing gear. Landing gear adds approximately (0.5m)</ref>
| wingspan= 15.5 feet (~4.7m)<ref name="di"/>
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== Overview ==

Capable of atmospheric flight, the Viper Mark II is a single-seat craft possessing two kinetic energy weapons ([[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|KEW]]s). Hard-points beneath the wings allow missiles, munitions pods and other ordnance to be mounted ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]").

The Viper Mark I entered Colonial service shortly before the outbreak of the [[Cylon War]].{{citation needed}} However, it is this Mark II variant (designed specifically for use with the Colonial [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestars]]) that has garnered the most recognition. The fighter served with distinction throughout the Cylon War, proving to be a capable fighting vehicle and winning renown across the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]; the Mark II is regarded as instrumental in ensuring that the Colonials did not lose the original Cylon War <ref>Its iconic status is not unlike that of the real world [[wikipedia:Supermarine_Spitfire|Supermarine Spitfire]], which is held in great esteem in the countries where it served - particularly Great Britain. Many Spitfires are preserved today as museum pieces, just as the Mk. II Vipers were aboard ''Galactica''.</ref>.

The Mark II remained in service after the end of the conflict, but was subsequently superseded by newer models. At the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon holocaust]], the sleek [[Viper Mark VII|Mark VII]] is the front-line variant of the Viper design. It retains the Mark II's general layout, but utilizes fully networked systems to provide superior battle management and combat information for the pilot.

Seemingly similar to the Cylon Raider in performance as well as weaponry, a Mark II is capable of holding its own against many times its number of Raiders in the hands of a seasoned pilot. ''Galactica''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> Viper contingent regularly fights off large Raider wings; in one particular instance, [[Kara Thrace]] defeats eight Raiders [[Hot Dog|almost single-handedly]] ([[TRS]]: "[[Act of Contrition]]").

== [[Computers#Avionics|Avionics]] ==

:''Main article: [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series#Vipers and Raptors|Computers in the Re-imagined Series]]''

[[Image:Vipermk2interior3 104 1080i.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Mark II main instrument panel]]
As part of its use in the [[Cylon War]], the Mark II was initially designed to resist Cylon attempts at disabling or damaging its flight controls <ref>The joystick used in the Mark II is a replica of real-life F/A-18 Hornet and F-15 Eagle</ref>. Given the number of analog gauges and controls, its likely that the Mark II was intended to be flown entirely without computer assistance in fear of compromise by an electronic attack. Nevertheless, a simple computer to manage the flight systems is present in the cockpit, assisting the pilot's [[Mark One Eyeball]]. Some gauges, such as the altimeter, are used only in atmospheric flight.

== Armament ==

:''Main article: [[Weapons in the Re-imagined Series#Viper and Cylon Raider|Weapons in the Re-imagined Series]]''

The Mark II's main weapon are two wing-mounted cannons. Additionally, it can be equipped with several missiles, carried under the fuselage ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", "[[Home, Part II]]").

== Layout ==
[[Image:Viper Mk II orthos.jpg|right|thumb|Fore, side, top and aft views of the Mark II]]
The Mark II is a long, sleek vehicle with specialized features for space attacks, reconnaissance, and atmospheric flight.

The fore section comprises the nose back to the cockpit. Located there are the forward [[RCS]] systems for maneuvering the craft; the forward landing gear; the main [[avionics]] and sensor packages and the single-seat cockpit.

The stern comprises the main engines, numerous RCS maneuvering jets, fuel tanks, wings and vertical stabilizer. The wings themselves contain the kinetic energy weapons, their munitions storage and feeds. Mounting points beneath the wings allow missiles, munitions pods and other items to be rack-mounted ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]").

The wing's roots contain the main landing gear, retracted during flight. The Mark II's shape is distinctive because of the offset "intakes" mounted just behind the cockpit. The port / starboard "intakes" incorporate small but powerful reverse thrust engines that can quickly counter a Viper's forward momentum in an emergency ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]").

== Performance ==

The Mark II can rotate 180 degrees vertically in .35 seconds ([[TRS]]: "[[Act of Contrition]]"). It accelerates at six to seven G's ([[TRS]]: "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]"), or 60 to 70 m/s²

==Known Viper Mark IIs==

:''See [[List of Vipers]].''

== Related Imagery ==
<gallery perrow="5">
Image:Bsg-viper-2.jpg|Zoic CGI model
Image:Viper Mark II Damaged.jpg|Viper Mark II with visible battle damage (high res)
Image:Starbuckmk2disintegrate 104 1080i.jpg|Burning up in an atmosphere (Act of Contrition)
Image:Viper Mk II atmospheric flight.jpg|Viper in atmospheric flight (Razor)
Image:Viper Mk II Hit and Run.jpg|Destroying a Cylon guard tower
Image:7242 Mini.JPG|Viper in perfect condition (Miniseries)
Image:1104Tube Mini.JPG|Viper in launch tube (Miniseries)
Image:Scifichannel-137.jpg|Viper in maintenance
Image:Vipermk2interior 104 1080i.jpg|Main display configured for a landing
Image:Gunsarmed 206 1080i.jpg|Guns armed
Image:Radio_magnetic_indicator.JPG|Instruments: radio-magnetic indicator
Image:Vipermk2interior5 104 1080i.jpg|Instruments: altimeter
Image:Viper Attitude Indicator 1.jpg|Instruments: attitude indicator
Image:Torque Percent Indicator.JPG|Instruments: torque indicator
‎</gallery>

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Viper (TRS)

2012-11-22T14:39:35Z

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: ''This is an overview page on the subject of Viper fighter craft. For detailed information, see [[Viper Mark II]] and [[Viper Mark VII]].''
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The '''Viper''' is the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]'s primary space superiority fighter/attack craft, serving the fleet in both Cylon engagements. It dates back to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] before the formation of the [[Government of the Twelve Colonies]] when Vipers were primarily atmospheric aircraft.

=== Early Vipers ===
::''See also [[Caprican Viper]] and [[Vintage Viper]]''
[[File:Vintage Viper.jpg|thumb|Early Vipers fly in formation.]]
[[Caprican Viper|Viper]]s are in service prior to the formation of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]], serving the Caprican Military long before the [[First Cylon War]].

Atmospheric Vipers in the form of [[Vintage Viper|propeller aircraft]] and [[Caprican Viper|jet-powered aircraft]] are utilized on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] decades before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]]. Equipped with [[DRADIS]] technology, these early Viper jets are popular with [[holoband]] users, available for flight simulations in the [[virtual world]] ([[CAP]]: "[[The Imperfections of Memory]]"). Earlier Vipers are also appear in the popular hacked environment, [[New Cap City]] ([[CAP]]: "[[There is Another Sky]], "[[The Imperfections of Memory]]", "[[Ghosts in the Machine]]").

=== Later Models ===
[[Image: Viper Mk II atmospheric flight.jpg|thumb|A Viper Mark II in atmospheric flight.]]
The [[Viper Mark II]] is the Colonial Fleet's mainstay fighter during the [[First Cylon War]], serving with distinction throughout that conflict. Subsequently retired and replaced with newer models, Mark IIs survive into the modern era in museums - an entire squadron on display aboard the museum ship [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TRS)|Galactica]]'' - and rusting in shipyards ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]]). Ten years into the [[First Cylon War]] the [[Viper Mark III]] was also put into service.

By the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], the [[Viper Mark VII]] has taken up the mantle of the Mark II. However, due to its advanced construction and [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series|computer system]], the standard Mark VII is vulnerable to the [[Cylon (RDM)|Cylon]] [[Cylon computer virus|computer virus]] ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]]).

=== Flight Regimes ===

[[Image:Mk VII with Mk II, patrol.jpg|thumb|right|A Viper Mk. II and a Mk. VII on patrol ([[33]]).]]

The Viper is designed to operate in both space and atmospheric conditions.

In space flight, the Viper is highly maneuverable, dangerously so in inexperienced hands. [[Navigation in the Re-imagined Series|Reaction control system]] (RCS) thrusters for rapid and flexible attitude control, a cluster of 3 main thrusters for high acceleration, and retractable reverse thrusters housed in both port and starboard cowlings for some degree of deceleration can subject the pilot to punishing [[w:g-force|g-forces]]. Its retractable landing struts can be magnetized to secure the Viper on metal decks and surfaces in zero gravity.

In atmospheric flight, Vipers consume more [[Tylium]] fuel than in the vacuum of space. Once in an atmosphere, the engines must run continuously to maintain sufficient airflow over the wing lifting surfaces. Depending on the composition of the atmosphere itself, this can place severe strain on the Viper's engines ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). In addition to greater fuel consumption, the high wing load (i.e. small wing area relative to weight) may compromise the Viper's overall maneuverability. Because the smaller wing surfaces generate less lift, higher speeds are needed to stay aloft. The fighter's RCS thrusters might partially compensate for this.

=== Life Support ===
Viper cockpits are pressurized and heated, and pilots wear [[flight suit]]s which, along with a breathing pack housed within the back, provide full life support should ejection be required ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]). In atmospheric ejections, the seat jettisons automatically once clear of the Viper, exposing a parachute which is deployed at a safe altitude ([[Act of Contrition]] and [[Razor#William_Adama|Razor]]).

Viper cockpits are also hardened against radiation, including a canopy made of a radiation-resistant glass and is capable of protecting a pilot against radiation levels that would kill a healthy human in 30 seconds ([[Blood_and_Chrome|Blood And Chrome]], episode 1)

Because of the stamina required to operate Vipers, battlestars have a specialized [[weight room]] where the pilots maintain their physical conditioning.

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* Other Series
** Viper (TOS)|Original Series Viper
** Viper (1980)|Galactica 1980 Viper
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Viper

2012-11-21T18:13:36Z

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The '''Viper''' is the Colonial space fighter used throughout the ''Battlestar Galactica'' sagas:

== Canonical ==

* For the fighter in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see: [[Viper (TOS)]].
* For a summary of the three Viper models seen in the Re-imagined Series, see: [[Viper (RDM)]].
**For the Viper seen in Caprica, see [[Viper (RDM)]].
** For the [[Cylon War]]-era Viper, see: [[Viper Mark II]].
** For the late [[Cylon War]]-era Viper ([[Blood and Chrome]]) see: [[Viper Mark III]]
** For the newest Viper in use during the [[Fall of the Colonies]], see: [[Viper Mark VII]].

== Separate Continuities ==

* For the various classes of the Viper fighter depicted in [[Richard Hatch]]'s novels, see: [[Viper (RH)]].
* For the updated Viper design seen in Richard Hatch's ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming]]'' trailer, see: [[Scarlet Viper]].
* For information on the Viper used in the [[2003 Video Game|2003 ''Battlestar Galactica'' Video Game]], see: [[Viper (2003 Video Game)]].
* For information on the stealth craft seen in ''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 5]]'', see: [[Stealth Viper]].

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Viper

2012-11-21T18:13:03Z

VARGR: /* Canonical */

The '''Viper''' is the Colonial space fighter used throughout the ''Battlestar Galactica'' sagas:

== Canonical ==

* For the fighter in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see: [[Viper (TOS)]].
* For a summary of the three Viper models seen in the Re-imagined Series, see: [[Viper (RDM)]].
**For the Viper seen in Caprica, see [[Viper (RDM)]].
** For the [[Cylon War]]-era Viper, see: [[Viper Mark II]].
** For the late [[Cylon War]]-era Viper ([[Blood and Chrome]]) see:[[Viper Mark III]]
** For the newest Viper in use during the [[Fall of the Colonies]], see: [[Viper Mark VII]].

== Separate Continuities ==

* For the various classes of the Viper fighter depicted in [[Richard Hatch]]'s novels, see: [[Viper (RH)]].
* For the updated Viper design seen in Richard Hatch's ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming]]'' trailer, see: [[Scarlet Viper]].
* For information on the Viper used in the [[2003 Video Game|2003 ''Battlestar Galactica'' Video Game]], see: [[Viper (2003 Video Game)]].
* For information on the stealth craft seen in ''[[Battlestar Galactica: Origins 5]]'', see: [[Stealth Viper]].

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Talk:Valkyrie/Archive 1

2012-11-21T16:46:24Z

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Before anyone asks, here is the source: http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000pbh0a/g261 <br>
See the seal in the background --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:Good Job Serenity!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:38, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::I didn't create the article though :p --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:42, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Yeah, but you spotted the name on the seal. Well, whoever spotted it first, good job!--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:44, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::Anyone else notice Tigh?--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::You mean the eye? This is probably flashback scene. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:50, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::With Admiral pips?[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup>18:52, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::::::The description below says "'''Commander''' William Adama", as opposed to the next photo. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:56, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::::::::The rank differences clearly IDs the photo spot as a flashback. Look at the pips on the collar! What are the left collar pips verses the rank pips on the right? (Right-Left relative to the wearer) This is especially noticable on the Admiral Corman shot. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:02, 31 October 2006 (CST)

It's most likely a flashback. Maybe Adama and Tigh served on the Valkyrie and that's where [[Bulldog]] was under Adama's command. I can't really make out the rank pins. They look a bigger than Commander's insignia, but the picture quality isn't that good --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:09, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Another question, in 8 of 9 shot on that webpage, I am guessing its a flashback scene because Lee is wearing Captain's pips, but he also has a Battlestar Galactica badge on his shoulder. I thought he wasn't assigned to the Galactica prior to the miniseries? Is that the implication here or a clothing manfunction? hehe...--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:26, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:I read something that he might be demoted back to Captain. Not sure about it, but it makes sense. I guess they could keep him as Major or even Colonel, but there isn't really a job opening for a Commander at the moment.
:But looking at it more closely that might even be Major. Major and Captain look very similar, with Major having three chevron, the top one of which is directly on the diamond's edge --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:28, 31 October 2006 (CST)
::The original [[Jackson Spencer|CAG]] of Galactica that we see was a Major. Also, in the Miniseries, Apollo didn't wear a unit patch at all on his shoulder when he got to Galactica, pehaps since he was in the Reserves. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 14:21, 3 November 2006 (EST)
::In "[[Torn]]", the name plate on Lee's viper reads "Maj. Lee Adama". So I don't think he will be demoted any time soon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:54, 10 November 2006 (CST)
I've deleted this line "both William Adama and Saul Tigh served on the Valkyrie" this is not canon, also many rumors going around are that Adama was involved in a covert operations against the cylons so he might have simply gone to the Valkyrie to be issued orders or debriefed etc, point is, we don't know. --[[user:lordmutt|lordmutt]] 19:13, 10 November 2006 (EST)
:There is a two-minute video out there, that pretty much confirms that Adama and Tigh were sent to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission. Something about using a stealth ship to make a reconnaissance flight into Cylon space. The ship was flown by Novacek who was then captured by the Cylons. I also like that this shoots down the silly theories that the Blackbird was the Colonial's first stealth ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:52, 10 November 2006 (CST)
:: Concur. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 10:55, 10 November 2006 (CST)

Wait, wait, wait! In the episode, they showed a picture of the bridge crew of the Valkyrie that included Adama and Tigh. If they were simply assigned there for a single mission (and a covert one at that) they're not going to commemorate the occasion! Secondly, they wouldn't have assigned Tigh as well. The fewer people that knew about the mission, the better, plus there would be no reason to send another ship's XO. The Valkyrie is also described as Adama's last command before Galactica, which means that he was the commander of the ship, not an officer briefly assigned for a single mission. And why do you even have to ask if its a flashback? C'mon, people, its pretty obvious that it was!--Sci-fi Junkee

:Erm, note the date of this discussion. This was speculation before the episode aired. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:27, 25 February 2007 (CST)

== Class / Type / Dimensions ==
Now, for the time being, does ''Valkyrie'' go down as a ''Valkyrie''-type Battlestar (until someone at the "Head Office" finally tells us details like this)? I '''''especially''''' like how ''Galactica'', ''Pegasus'', and now ''Valkyrie'' are all different styles and sizes, but yet are still classified as ''battlestars''. This shows a degree of realism, creativity, and dynamicism among our intrepid Powers That Be — they're not going to pull the weak, canned trick of reusing the same model over and over and over again, ad nauseum. Also, ''hopefully'', it stomps on ''any'' musings amongst certain overzealous fans of such genres as Star Wars and Star Trek who have this bad habit of immediately speculating and squabbling over if a ship is a battleship, destroyer, frigate, etc. In this case, it would seem that, regardless of size and/or layout, a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar. End of line.

On that note, it would appear that ''Valkyrie'' is infact smaller than ''Galactica'', perhaps with reduced capabilities (weapons and embarked Vipers and Raptors quantities, etc.), less crew. It would also appear that she has less engines in her differently shaped array, which would make sense for a smaller, less massive starship.

Lastly, and unrelated to ''Valkyrie'' directly, that stealth recon craft was ''badass'', wasn't it? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 23:49, 17 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not so sure that the Valkyrie is a less capable ship than the Galactica. From what Tigh said about Adama's "graceful retirement' it seems that the Valkyrie was actually a pretty prestigious command. I had always thought that commanding the Galactica was a great honor, but Tigh's words seem to indicate otherwise. Ships tend to get smaller as the technology progresses because of the reduced manpower requirement. Perhaps the smaller size of the Valkyrie is an indication of this. Theres no real numbers for the dimensions of the Valkyrie or anything to scale it to, but I also got the sense that it was smaller than the Pegasus or Galactica. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:16, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I disagree with that. A smaller ship is going to have less physical space to carry fighter craft and supplies. If ''Valkyrie'' is smaller than ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'', then its gun batteries are smaller, which means they're firing lighter shells, which translates into less penetration, smaller warheads, less damage. A smaller ship has less volume to absorb damage with, meaning less staying power in a battle.
:That doesn't mean it can't still be a prestigious command, though. If it were a very new ship, even if it weren't the most powerful, it would still be a plum assignment.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::That's not always completely true. For example, the modern Arleigh Burke (DDG-51) class destroyer is about 500 feet long. It's replaced the 560 foot long Spruance and Kidd class destroyers and is also much more powerful than the old Long Beach (721 fl) and other old cruisers. It's almost as powerful as the other current surface warship, the Ticonderoga class cruiser, built on a Spruance hull. The only reason our modern carriers are so much larger than the old WWII bird farms, is that the planes are much larger now than they were back then. For instance, the lightweight F/A-18E Super Hornet is about 30,000lbs empty and 60 feet long. The old F6F Hellcat is 42 feet long and weighs under 10,000lbs. In conclusion, Valkryie, even smaller, could be much more powerful than the older Galactica. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::But considering the timeframe, they aren't using radically different weapons and planes. Probably standard Mk VII Vipers or maybe MkVIs or whatever.
:::I think it's sort of like the escort carriers of WWII. Not usually meant to operate alone, but to give support to larger carriers, protect ships and support planetary operations. A support ship in Battlestar Groups that have a fullsized battlestar as main ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:24, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::That reminds me of a point I forgot, the Mk II and Mk VII are of similar sizes, they can be launched from the same tubes and stored in the same parking spots on the hanger deck. I'm thinking the Valkyrie is like the USS Wasp which was a miniture Yorktown, a small light carrier that can operate with the fleet carriers. The only difference is that the Valkryie would be more advanced than Galactica, instead of old and ineffective like the Wasp. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:38, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::I find myself nodding in gleeful agreement to [[User:Talos|Talos]] and [[User:Serenity|Serenity's]] comments, but I must reply to [[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper's]] first — you're using the "bigger is better" mentality, and this is one of the two issues that burns at the heart of the fight amongst Star Wars fans on the topic of warships (and classification thereof, but I'll mention that later). Bigger ''is not'' better. Better is better. Different is better. Just because ''Valkyrie'' is smaller (hypothetically speaking for the sake of example) doesn't mean she carries smaller weapons. From the recollection scenes alone, we can see that she has weaponry different, and in different locations, than ''Galactica''. The elder battlestar lumps her primary "turrets" dorsalside and ventralside, and has her "flak-guns" lining the midline and flight pods. ''Valkyrie'', by contrast, had turrets on the pods themselves, akin to ''Pegasus''. I don't want to chase specifics, but focus on the point that differences are ''good'' — they're human; they're to be expected; they're in realistic keeping.
::It could be said that, perhaps, ''Valkyrie'' was as Talos and Serenity say, a lighter, more purposeful version of a battlestar for an accompaniment or specialized role. Less mass would mean that she'd require less engines in her array, and perhaps have greater velocities/accelerations. She'd require less crew. While still operating the same craft as any other battlestar, she ''might'' have less of them. Who knows? The point is, she's different, but ''still a battlestar''.
::I bring in two examples from history: the case of the HMS ''Hood'' (ca. 1940) and the battleships of the US Navy during WWII. In ''Hood's'' story, she was, when WWII rolled around, the largest, longest warship in the British Navy, and was 262m long at 48,000 tonnes full load. By contrast, the ''Queen Elizabeth''-class battleships were 197m at 33,000 tonnes. Both ships carried the same 15-in gun. Then, we throw in another WWII-era battleship, the ''King George V''-class, which was 227m at 42,000 tonnes — but sported 14-in guns because the Admiralty, at the time, felt that a more quantitive broadside (10 over 8 or 9) would be more effective than the larger 15-in guns. I'm not going to get into a running argument over details, but bring this up to point out that all three were battleships (''Hood'' was termed a ''battlecruiser'', but the point stands), built by the ''same country'' in roughly a short period of time (within approximately 30 years), and all were used under similar circumstances, to varying success and failure. Similarly, the United States had their "holdover" dreadnaught-style battleships at the opening of WWII, but then churned out the ''New Mexico''-class, the ''South Dakota''-class, ''North Carolina''-class, and ''Iowa''-class. Each was indeed a battleship, but definitely different in terms of size, traits, and capabilities.
::Yes, I may be getting a bit long-winded for such a trivial subject, but I can't express enough how ''different'' this great series is from Star Trek and Star Wars. Until proven otherwise, there aren't any carriers, battleships, cruisers, frigates, destroyers, corvettes, torpedo boats, etc. — there are ''battlestars'', and a battlestar is a battlestar is a battlestar, albeit in different shapes, forms, and sizes. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:26, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:::I'm thinking that it's just a smaller battlestar, fulfilling a similar role as the Mercuries and such on smaller displacement. Many realword navies are always attempting to do this. For example, before the Burke was finalized, various lightweight versions, sacrificing engines or Aegis, or other equipment, were designed. All of them tried to mimize displacement.The Treaty-era ships from the 1920-30's aren't the best examples to use here because they had an artificial limit imposed on them by the Washington and London Naval Treaties. Frequently, improved technology requires lesser manpower. The reason ships keep getting bigger historically is that they keep adding new technology, for instance, the cause of the massive destroyer size increase after WWII is mostly due to the inclusion of Weapon Alfa, guided missiles, and a huge increase in carried electronics. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 12:27, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::::OK, let's not make too big a deal about the size. Here's a comparison of sizes of post-WWII aircraft carrier classess that I put together from wikipedia.org organized by when they were built:
CVL-48 Saipan class - 2 ships
14,500 tons

CVA-58 United States class - 1 ship
83,350 tons full, 68,000 tons standard

CV-59 Forrestal class - 4 ships
56,300 tons

CV-63 Kitty Hawk class - 3 ships
60,000 tons, 82,200 tons full load

CVN-65 Enterprise class - 1 ship
approx. 93,500 tons full load

CV-67 John F. Kennedy class - 1 ship
60728 tons light, 82655 tons full

CVN-68 Nimitz class - 9 ships
101,000 to 104,000 tons full load

CVN-78 21st Century Aircraft Carrier Project
100,000 tons

If we equate Galactica, an older ship, to the USS United States and the Valkyrie to Forrestal Class and Pegasus to a Nimitz class, then Galactica would be clearly larger than the Valkyrie and Pegasus would clearly be much larger than both. In the US Navy today, all these carriers have the exact same function, but vary in size by design and time. However, they are all aircraft carriers. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:29, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:::[[User:Hawke|Hawke]], I don't understand where you're coming from. I never said ''Valkyrie'' wasn't a battlestar. I said that if it's smaller than ''Galactica'', then it cannot be as capable. It cannot carry the same amount of fighters because its flight pods are smaller. Its guns cannot be as large, and we know thanks to ''Pegasus'' that guns like the ones ''Galactica'' carries are still effective weapons. It will not be able to absorb as much damage due to its smaller size. I'm honestly not sure what most of your post has to do with any of that.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)

I think its also worth remembering that Galactica is 60 years old, and one of the first 12 Battlestars. Therefore Valkyrie must be a newer ship, which is suggested by some of its more Pegasusish design nods. Therefore yes it can quite easily be more powerful than Galactica, simply by having more modern technology. Yes Galactica will of been refitted and such and such, but refitting can only get you so far. If Galactica was able to hold its own next to newer ships it wouldn't of been about to be decommissioned when the series started. The fact is we don't know when Pegasus and Valkeryie were built, except that both most of been built post-Galactica's. That's probably also why Galactica is looked upon so harshly by Tigh. Galactica may of been in the fleet as an old relic. An old rust bucket that should of been decommissioned years ago. --[[User:CTerry|CTerry]] 18:05, 18 November 2006 (CST)

My thought are that we could gage the scale of the Valkyrie to the Galactica and Pegasus by looking at the flightpods. The width of the "mouth" should be the same as they all support and operate the vehicles - Vipers, Raptors and shuttles. Oh and the Shadow Star, can't forget that new one. The "banner" on the deck of each flightpod could be the same dimensions for landing purposes. As for the guns, I saw the one in the "eye" of the Valkyrie, one behind it on the "body" and three on the flightpod like that of the Pegasus. Most seemed to have only one cannon, while the that's in the "eye" appeared, in the firing sequence, to have two cannon. Cannon that fired a powered missle. The Galactica and Pegasus appeared, to me, to have the same type of main gun. The placement was not the same though. I'v been also thinking of the Galactica as being like a World War 2 carrier, since it had "AA guns" but uprated for modern operation. The Pegasus was a product of more modern times and doesn't appear to have any "AA guns". Due to the guns on the Valkyrie, I'd guess that it was perhaps the most modern design. Those main guns could be a newer design then those on Pegasus, unless they are a new "caliber". In the long run, I have to agree that it appears to be smaller and serve a slightly different purpose in the BSG, maybe a battlescruiser type to the battleship type that Galactica and Pegasus play. I can't but also say that perhaps, these ships could be treated as ships-of-the-line as in the age of sail. Interesting design, pity we'll never get to see more of it, unless Zoic is kind and releases some orthos of it. Or maybe some book comes out with orthos of all the Colonial ships and craft.
[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:08, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:I found some screencaps and came up with these numbers (assuming symmetry, which I thought reasonable, given other Colonial designs):
::1 x heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the head
::1 x Heavy gun turret in an alcove on either side of the main body, above the flight pods.
::3 x more alcoves on either side of the main body that may or may not contain heavy gun turrets; There weren't any shots close enough for me to be certain.
::1 x heavy gun turret on either side of the dorsal crest.
::2 x possible heavy gun turrets aft of the dorsal crest. The image was from too far awawy to be sure, but they look quite similar to the ones astride the crest.
::2 x heavy gun turrets on the dorsal surface of the flight-pods, one foreward and one aft.
::3 x light gun turrets in alcoves on the side of each flight-pod. There were only three in-frame in the picture I saw them in, but it also only covered the foreward part of the flight pod, so there could be more.
:Having no images of the ship's underside, there's no way to tell what armament she has there.
:As far as I could tell, all the heavy gun turrets had two barrels. The lighter gun turrets are harder to make out, but they appear to be twin-barreled emplacements as well. They are definately smaller than the heavy turrets, though.
:As for the armaments of ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica'', the heavy turrets on both are indeed extremely similar in appearance. ''Both'' possess extensive flak suites of lighter, rapid-fire guns. Although I've been unable to visually identify any of the emplacements on ''Pegasus'', I've certainly seen them firing.
:The way I see it, ''Valkyrie'' is a much smaller design, fitted with commensurately smaller weaponry, meant to support the heavier ships in a BSG like the ''Mercury''-class. More of a cruiser to their battleship, than a battlecruiser.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 08:26, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:I kinda thought Valkyrie was a smaller battlestar, much like the Independence class light carriers of World War II or the support carriers (CVS) that the WW II era Essex class ships became. Essentially these ships were designed to undertake missions that didn't warrant the use of a big carrier. The CVL Independence, for example, was one of the first carriers deployed for night operations. Essex and her sisters were used for antisubmarine and amphibious operations. If Valkyrie were a ship of this type it would make more sense for her to be assigned a black op, since arguably she would be a somewhat less threatening presence than a full sized battlestar, and she would also be more expendable if something went wrong. I propose the term "Light Battlestar" to describe this ship. :) [[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 20:44, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:I think ''Valkyrie'' is an intermediate design somewhere between ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus''. As far as size goes, I think its comparable in dimensions to ''Galactica'', and therefore slightly smaller than ''Pegasus''. If you use the width and length of the flight pods as a scale, then ''Valkyrie'' is very similar to the other battlestars we've seen. The perception of small size I think is due to the narrower engine pods and propulsion section in the rear. ''Galactica'' has the addtional four engines from a refit that make her rear end wider, and ''Pegasus'' had more engines to begin with. The width of the bow and the overall length of the ship is about the same for all three. [[User:Maserati1945|Maserati1945]] 02:41, 23 November 2006 (CST)
:It could just be Pegasus and Galactica where built for long-term combat operations and journeys where as the Valkyrie might not be designed for extended journeys, which is of course much more suitable to a covert operation. [[User:MatthewFenton|MatthewFenton]] 06:00, 23 November 2006 (CST)

The guns on the Valkyrie seem, to me, to be rail guns similar to those onboard the Galactica and Pegasus. These latter two have a larger "caliber" of cannon, but I think this could explain the firing of the missle and other types of ordance. Galactica and Pegasus can fire differing loads similtaniously, as opposed to Valkyrie. Now here's a question - I've noticed in some captures, what looks like the phaser emitters on the Enterprise-A, covering a number of areas of the Valkyrie. Could they be the AA guns?[[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 18:00, 25 November 2006 (CST)
:You're referring to those hemisphereical blisters on the flight-pod connector spars, and elsewhere? If so, I think we haven't got enough information. I can't make out anything that might be gunbarrels on any of them, I haven't got any detailed enough shots of them.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)

I just did a quick measurement comparison to the Galactica and the Valkyrie. I compared the flightpod openings for width and found that the Vlakyrie would be roughly half as long as the Galactica IF the width is the same for all Battlestars, ie. for receiving the same types of craft (eg. Shuttles, Raptors and Vipers). [[User:Cat-Scratched-Victim|Cat-Scratched-Victim]] 22:07, 25 November 2006 (CST)
:I was just comparing the flight pods myself. I haven't had time to do anything particularly in-depth, but I looked at the landing strips relative to the width of the pods' foreward and aft openings. ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' both look like they've got another landing-strip's width to either side of the actual strip, and from what I recall, the strips on both ships are about the same size compared to Vipers. Assuming the ''strip'' on ''Valkyrie'' is the same size, then an eyeball estimate looks to me like there's about half a strip's width to either side of the landing strip on ''Valkyrie'', which would make it two thirds the width of the pods on ''Galactica''.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 07:08, 28 November 2006 (CST)

Ok my theory is that Valkyrie's main mission is patrol and if it finds something it sends a signal to a bigger ship and holds the threat off until a more powerful ship comes. Snorkel378

Okay, maybe I'm missin' something here, but where did you all get the idea that Valkyrie was smaller? We've got no real basis for comparison between the ships except the flight pods and the missile. The Missile looked about the same size compared to the Valkyrie as the missiles that Pegasus and Galactica have fired looked compared to them. And the views we have of the flight pods are so vague that there's nothing we can really assume based on them. I think that Valkyrie is roughly the same size as Pegasus or Galactica, and is most likely a newer model than Galactica, but a slightly older model than Pegasus, as it appears to have similar design features to both ships (it has the same engine setup and CIC as Pegasus, but the bow and flight pod design looks closer to Galactica-type ships).--[[User:Sci-fi Junkee|Sci-fi Junkee]]

:I think it's mainly the size of the gun turrets compared to the rest of the ship. If not smaller, it would have very large turrets --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:45, 25 February 2007 (CST)

Okay. Can we maybe get some pictures, cause that would help clear this whole mess up for me.--Sci-fi Junkee

First of all, you can't measure size from the shots in "Razor". Ever hear of a little thing called "perspective"? It can be very, very deceptive, especially when you consider that we don't really know how wide a viewing angle they used on the camera when rendering, etc. That's even without accounting for scale errors in CGI production, that happened more then once during the show.
Secondly, I'm not allowed to prove this statement - but I really do know what this ship looks like, how big it is, and how many engines it has. Let's just say I have access to certain materials that I'm not allowed to show or discuss where I got them.
But here are some facts: 1) Those 6 tubes below the pods are the only tubes on the ship. 2) Entrances to the tubes and the profile inside them are viper - shaped. They were intended for vipers, in fact. 3) Total ship's length is just below 700m. That's right, boys and girls - it's a pocket battlestar. That's why it only has 6 launch tubes (no, they were not meant for any never designed "specialist craft", that was total nonsense). 4) It has 4 engines, not 6. Always had. If you saw the underside on the model, you'd understand.
Now, like I said, I can't prove any of this because I'm not allowed to show the material that does prove it. You can choose to trust me or dismiss the above facts as ramblings of a fanboy trying to deceive the lot of you, for what purpose, I don't know. But do consider this - even at just below 700m in length, the flight pods are still big enough to service vipers. The turrets that were designed for this ship just fit the lower size in style. And finally, not every ship has to be a mile long godship to be cool. Not every class in a navy will be a juggernaut - you need support vessels, escort carriers, patrol ships, etc.

==Related Images==
I removed the image File:Valkyrie, Scorpion Shipyards.Jpg as when I look at the Valkyrie in the episode 'Heros' it is clear that the pics is not of a Va;kyrie typ battlestar, but is in fact a Galactica type (likely uprated) that is seen in dock at Scorpian Shipyards in 'Razor' [[User:Einar|Einar]] 1829 (PST), 26 March 2009

== Number / Designation? ==
Am I seeing this right? From the capture, it looks like '''BSG 41''' on the seal. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)
:In case you still don't know, as nobody replied, yes its 41. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:59, 23 November 2006 (CST)

== Miniseries appearance? ==
[[Image:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]
I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.
Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)
[[Image:MysteryShip.jpg|thumb|left|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]
I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST)
:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)
::I made a rough design for a page [[Five-engined vessel|here]]. What do people think? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 23 November 2006 (CST)
:::Looks good to me. I was going to point out the incorrect caption but it looks like you caught it.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 09:44, 23 November 2006 (CST)

== Bridge. ==

Yeah, I meant to say CIC. Must stop watching Star Trek...--[[User:Helo87|Helo87]]
:To be fair, when taking modern day nomenclature into account, its function is closer to a bridge. That's where a ship is steered from. The CIC is where all sensor information is collected and evaluated. In BSG they throw that together, but I kinda like that they use a different term for a change. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Surrviving Battlestars ==

Joe, how do you know ALL the other battlestars were destroyed?
[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 21:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
: Well, for one, "[[Downloaded]]" made it clear that the Cylon's attack was an overwhelming success. Further, RDM's made some comments in the past to that effect. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Did RDM specifically say that there are definately NO other surrviving battlestars? Is it absolutely certain? I'm one of those people who still believes theres a possibility that another one may yet be found.[[User:Grandmaester314|Grandmaester314]] 13:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Surviving Battlestars.

I know it's a fan favorite. Much BSG fan fic is based off off this Battlestar surviving, and that Battlestar surviving, but the truth is, even if there was another surviving ship, it wouldn't have access to the resources needed for long term survival. Hell, it's a miracle the ''Galactica'' and her fleet even survived, and after four years in space, they were on the brink of death. If it wasn't for the rebel Cylons, they would have died out (ignoring the "higher power" backstory). ''Galactica'' had the benefit of non-networked systems, a fleet to support her, and a (albeit finite) population to replenish her source of Viper jocks.

The Cylons achieved complete surprise over Colonial forces, and were able to sweep aside nearly 120 Battlestars and support ships in only a few minutes after attacking. The Battlestars over Caprica, docked at the fleet shipyards, huddled over Virgon, etc - all destroyed. No other Colonial Military units answered Adama's call to regroup at Ragnar. It's certain no others survived.

If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.

-- [[user:frylock86|Frylock86]]

==Notes on my edit==

1) the size of the launch tubes if valk is 1200m is somthing I haddent considered before. I hope that I have provided a good posible explination and have writen it in such a way so that it didn't seem 1 sided. If you plan to rewrite it please do so in a nutral way. The desiners made some mistakes with the valk and these launch tubes were one of them. They were probably just slaped on there to make it look diffrent and the desinger desided that having 3 looked the coolest.

2) The turret argument is starting to anoy me. There is no reason that galactica style turrets could not be used on the Valk, regardless of it's size. They could easly have been scaled to match the ships size. It is clear from hero that Valks turrets work in a diffrent way thus a diffrent desinge.

3) could someone please point out these "meny desinge features that surgest a smaller scale". In my view the evidence sugests a larger ship the visual evidence in razor right down to dialog about it Being a better comand have drawn me to this conclution.

4) Altogh I realize that there are only 4 engnies I do wish there 6 and have heard meany people clame that is the case, even with this evidence. I do not think that the posibleity of extra engnies that can't be seen should be ruled out. There could be some behined the flap.
[[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 13:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

:1) The designers haven't made any mistakes, it's just that the ship doesn't work on the large scale everyone seems to be attributing to it.

2) Annoying or not, the turret argument is valid. Galactica's turrets couldn't have been used because a) they're too big,
b) they don't fit in style, and c) when scaled down they look very weird.

3) Only 6 launch tubes oriented in the same direction as the ship, that would be way too big for even raptors if the ship was over 1000m long. Redesigned turrets that fit smaller ships a lot better - which is exactly why the inhouse team designed them that way.

4) Extra engines can be ruled out, those really are flaps. What I can show you is a fan made model from sci-fi meshes: not sure where the author got the references to build it, but the model is reasonably accurate. Here's one pic from that thread, you can just see the flaps behind the engines.
http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/16114-battlestar-valkyrie-51.html

::1) "The designers haven't made any mistakes" I believe they have: 4 engines, this doesn't make any scene, this would make the ship 'top heavy'. to propel the ship forward the trust needs to be along the center of mass, otherwise the ship would start spinning. This mistake has been made many times in BSG, most notisably with cloud 9. Almost ironicly 6 engines would fix this problem.
The flight pods (if the ship is at the small scale of 700m). They would be a weakness not an tactical advantage. With such a small fighter wing they become impractical. having one flight deck on the underside (like the ship beside beside Pegasus in razor) would make far more sense.

2) You just used a real world explanation to support a in universe argument! a) "they're too big", thats why you resize them. b) "they don't fit the style", the ones on the Mercury class would and they are ''very'' similar. c) "when scaled down they look very weird", have a look at this : [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Galactica/ES_Anala.png] this ship has Galacticas turrets on a smaller scale and they look fine.

3) "Only 6 launch tubes oriented in the same direction as the ship, that would be way too big for even raptors if the ship was over 1000m long." Thus the comment about lager spetialised ships. Also the triangle shape would be more structialy sound than ones shaped for raptors and at that size would fit

[[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 16:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that one larger pod would make more sense then two smaller ones. However you have to keep in mind that this is sci-fi, and sometimes (often, really) things aren't done so they're 100% realistic, they're done so they look good. Same argument goes for the engines number.
Bottom line - I wasn't saying what was more realistic, which I always find to be a completely pointless debate when discussing sci fi ships made of non existent materials, using non existent technologies (and designed by people who aren't aerospace engineers). Therefore I won't even comment the center of mass argument.
What I am saying is what the ship DOES really look like in the show, having had the opportunity to actually see it in far more detail then what was shown in razor or "Hero". And the Valkyrie there has 4 engines, is really small compared to Galactica, and has 6 forward facing launch tubes below the flight pods which are a lot smaller then Galactica's (since the entire ship is about as long as one single Galactica's pod).
They've also redesigned those turrets, not just to fit the different scale, but to fit the different style of the ship. Those old howitzer style BSG turrets were meant to look old, that's why they're on a ship that's a 1st war relic. Valkyrie, being much smaller and newer, clearly called for a new turret type to be designed.
Finally, I'm not sure what does that pic of the "escortstar" prove (I have to laugh at the name though - seriously, the "Anala"? Yeah the ship is ugly but to name it like that is just cruel), but I'm pretty sure it's not pertinent to this discussion.
First of all, it's non canon, so it doesn't prove a thing. Secondly, it doesn't look very modern (not like the Pegasus clearly looks like a more modern battlestar then the Galactica). Thirdly, it's a 2d drawing, not a 3d model, and it's a lot harder to gauge how well the turrets fit it that way. And finally, it's hideous. If that's a "realistic" ship and the Valkyrie is full of "design mistakes", I'll take the Valkyrie any day of the week and be happy with it.

:I never said that that was a good ship(personally I hate it. btw it is meant to be from near the end of the cylon war). it just proved that that type of gun can be scaled down. I never said that it don't believe you, in fact i'd say you have swayed me. However evidence given in the show does support the larger size (which i prefare). The large size shown in razor will have been a cgi blunder (like the oversized galactica type which could be explained as being a ship of this class: [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Drawings/OtherGenres/Galactica/Atlantia.png](it's meant to be a command version of the Galactica type) and in my own personal Battlestar world they would be a type of large Valkyrie types using advanced technology intended to compeat with the mercury class (built by a different company). When you come down to it the valk is still possibly the coolest design in the show.
[[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 18:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think we can finally agree no most of your points - I agree on everything except preferring the Valk bigger, I kinda think the smaller size makes it unique, different, special even. However I do agree it's one of the coolest designs there, and I'm very sorry they didn't find a way to use it more. Also, the apparently bigger scale in razor may just be a CGI blunder, it happened more then once during the course of the show. For me, she'll remain a pocket battlestar. Others can assume it's bigger and be happy with that - at least until (and if) they release official info on this ship. Since the show is over, it would be cool if they'd release a book containing all the less seen stuff in the show, this time rendered clearly an with official descriptions. Might even turn a few bucks on it - I know I'd buy it.

==New Pic==
the Valks type is back!

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f252/CanisD/Shipyard/Board/bsg-ambush_fleet.jpg

It's from [[The Plan]]. [[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 17:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

*Just to add a bit more, here's a closer view of the ship in the foreground

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/yiimm/valk.png

It's ''Valkyrie'' herself. [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 03:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

*Here is a view of the ship from the underside, taken from "the Plan". Notice the Vipers that are close to the ship, and notice the launch tubes. They are viper shaped, and the vipers close to them seem to be just the right size to fit in. This picture should be enough to disprove the theory that the tubes are large and meant for some mystery craft never shown or mentioned in the show. The tubes are clearly for vipers. I sincerely hope people will now stop claiming this ship is extremely large, the size I gave before is correct (under 700m, about the size of the Galactica flight pod). These shots from "the Plan" should be enough proof for everyone. Not every ship needs to be miles long to be cool or useful. Apparently this type of ship is smaller but numerous, probably a mainstay of the fleet with larger ships like the Pegasus being more rare and taking the role of task force leaders. This is also supported by the fact that the Pegasus was commanded by a rear admiral, not a regular commander. Valkyrie's CO, Adama, held the rank of Commander at the time. I'm not going to edit the article with the correct size because it'll probably just get edited back by someone who insists the ship is longer based on counting pixels on a perspective screen cap that proves nothing. However I think the long discussion on the main page about the ship's size should be shortened. Her true size should be mentioned first, and other size estimation and the ways people got to them could follow after that. But she really is small, people - get over it.

http://i38.tinypic.com/71k1gk.jpg

r. A lot of people say these numbers are too small for a battlestar - consider that she is still twice the size of a Nimitz-class carrier that is able to carry 90 fighters which are all quite a bit larger than a viper. Her pod is almost the size of an Essex class carrier, and she has two of them. Sure she's no Pegasus, but still a capable light warship, a lot easier to mass produce and maintain.

=== Blood and Chrome ===

Curious to see the Valkyrie type in Blood and Chrome. Is there proof either way to discern what ship carries ''Valkyrie'''s name? -- [[User:frylock86|Frylock86]]

:Not beyond all doubt, but given the model used in that scene is the exact same one seen elsewhere and of the ~3 you see there one is far more prominent than the others [[User:YIIMM|YIIMM]] 03:24, 19 November 2012 (EST)

The Valkyrie type seen in Blood and Chrome actually is the Valkyrie itself. Adama and his copilot clearly identify it as such in the dialog. Given by how impressed they are by the Valkyrie it probably was a very modern ship at the time. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] 11:46, 21 November 2012 (EST)