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Faith

2008-11-17T03:56:56Z

Turambar29:

{{Episode Data
| image=4x06 - Faith - Promo 1.jpg
| title= Faith
| season= 4
| episode= 6
| forumthread= 1040
| guests=
| writer=[[Kevin Fahey]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Nankin]]
| production=408
| rating=1.2
| US airdate=9 May 2008
| CAN airdate=9 May 2008
| UK airdate=13 May 2008
| dvd=
| oldpopulation=39676
| population=39675
| prev= [[The Road Less Traveled]]
| next= [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]
| imdb=0993930
| hulu=Y
}}

== Overview ==

:''The cancer-stricken President [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] and hotheaded pilot [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] both must make difficult leaps of faith in order to accept an uneasy alliance with the Cylons.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

*Angry and defiant at [[Karl Agathon|Karl Agathon]]'s refusal to [[The Road Less Traveled|obey orders]] to travel to a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] attempts to jump the ship herself when [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] restrains her.
*Agathon orders [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to jump the ship back to ''Galactica''. [[Samuel Anders|Samuel Anders]] points out that they will be returning as mutineers, but Agathon responds that Admiral Adama will sort things out.
*Anders intervenes with a sidearm, shooting Gaeta in the leg to stop him from following Agathon's order to jump back to the Fleet. Chaos ensues as Marines arrive.
*Everyone stands down as Gaeta is attended to, in severe pain from a leg wound.
*Realizing that taking the ''[[Demetrius|Demetrius]]'' itself to the baseship would be too great a risk, Thrace rescinds her original order, suggesting to fly their only [[Raptor|Raptor]] to the baseship with Athena and Anders as crew, taking [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben Conoy]] with them. Agathon initially objects but realizes it's the best compromise. He tells her that she has only 15 hours to complete her mission before the ''Demetrius'' must jump to rendezvous with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] or be left behind.

=== Act 1 ===

*[[Tory Foster|Tory Foster]] is packing things up on ''[[Colonial One|Colonial One]]''. [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] is at her desk, bald and not wearing her wig. She tells Foster to keep things going as she finishes the last two [[Diloxin|diloxin]] treatments, where she'll be on ''[[Galactica|Galactica]]'' and indisposed during that time. Roslin tries to encourage Foster to watch out for sudden moves by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]].
*On day 58 of their mission, the crew prepares the Raptor. Athena promises to work with Thrace as does [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]], who appreciates Thrace's strong reputation.
*The Raptor jumps and finds a massive graveyard of dead baseships and [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] floating dead in space. Thrace is amazed. They are by a large gas giant in a trinary star system, just as her visions suggested.
*On the ''Demetrius'', Gaeta is heavily medicated with [[Morpha|morpha]] for the pain. He asks Agathon not to have Dr. [[Cottle|Cottle]] amputate his leg, as he realizes that the longer he doesn't get advanced care, the more likely [[:w:gangrene|gangrene]] will set in.
*The Raptor carefully searches for the baseship amidst the exploding ordnance. Thrace can hear "music" (Leoben confirms this is a rare trait among some Cylons as well) and takes control to fly the Raptor towards the gas giant. She sees the comet she expected, but not in the form; Leoben's stricken baseship is flying past, trailing gas that gives it a comet-like appearance.
*When approaching the baseship, the Raptor is hit by a piece of debris hurtled at them from an explosion and impacting the cockpit canopy.

=== Act 2 ===

[[Image:408 showdown.jpg|thumb|Natalie attempts to defuse the situation...]]

*Thrace awakens to find the Raptor safely landed within the baseship interior.

*Athena arrives to find herself surrounded by an army of other [[Number Eight|Number Eights]], who recognize her independence from all things Cylon. They ask her to help mutiny against the [[Number Six|Sixes]], whom they feel have been making a series of mistakes. Athena rejects them, telling them to find their own individuality and help her or get out of her way.
*In sickbay, amidst [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]'s voice on [[Wireless|wireless]] discussing his [[God (RDM)|God]], Roslin encounters a woman in [[Sickbay|sickbay]], [[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]], who is gravely ill with cancer as well. When Roslin tries to turn off the wireless and Baltar, the woman becomes very upset and yells for Roslin to leave.
*Thrace's meeting with the surviving leaders of the baseship does not go well, but Leoben succeeds in convincing [[Natalie|Natalie]] that they must work together.
*Athena accesses the [[Datastream|datastream]] to determine how to mate the Raptor's jump drive to the baseship. Doing so requires disconnecting the Hybrid. As the group preps, Anders slowly reaches down to touch the [[Data-font|data-font]] but pulls his hand back when Thrace calls his name.
*A Six sees [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]] and recognizes her as the human who killed her on [[New Caprica|New Caprica]]. When Barolay doesn't show any remorse and says she would do the same again, the Six attacks her and smashes her head into the Raptor's hull, which kills Barolay. Anders pounces on the Six and is ready to kill the Cylon when Thrace manages to talk him down.
*The Six that killed Barolay speaks to Natalie, obviously dealing with psychological trauma from the death on New Caprica that she had not been able to shake. After kissing the distraught Six, Natalie grabs Anders's hand and pulls the trigger on his gun, killing the Six permanently as there is no [[Resurrection Ship|Resurrection Ship]] nearby, carrying out a form of justice for the Colonials, who are shocked.
*Roslin meets again with Emily Kowalski, who gives her a scarf, a present. The two make small talk of what they will do after they get well. She warns Roslin that her sickness will get worse and to be prepared.

=== Act 3 ===

*Thrace arrives in the Hybrid's chamber, who seems to ignore her, discussing ship functions but repeating one phrase in particular.[[Image:408 unplugging the hybrid.jpg|thumb|Agathon unplugs the Hybrid after it delivers its prophecy to Thrace.]]

*In sickbay, Emily Kowalski tells Roslin why she listens to Baltar. After speaking to Cottle, she tells of a dream where she saw people standing on the opposite side of a river: dead loved ones. She felt a presence, a warm loving presence that calmed her. Roslin questions the dream but Emily notes that the dream is real.

*Thrace and Natalie continue to listen to the [[Hybrid utterances|Hybrid's utterances]]. Leoben instructs Thrace to listen carefully, not to hurry the construct.

*Athena is ready to activate the jump augmentations and disconnect the Hybrid. Irritated at getting nowhere with the Hybrid, Thrace orders the jump.
*When it is unplugged, the Hybrid makes an inhuman scream, which causes a guarding [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurion]] (still in [[Telencephalic inhibitor|sentient mode]]) to fire in defense, severely wounding an Eight before the group manages to take the Centurion down.

*The Hybrid gives Thrace a coherent message as the Eight's blood mixes with the fluid in her tank: The dying leader will discover the truth about the [[Opera House|Opera House]], the missing Three will be used to find the Five, who come from the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], and that she, Thrace, is the harbinger of death that will take all to their end. Thrace is horrified at the message. The Hybrid then deactivates.

*Kowalski and Roslin continue to discuss the authenticity of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] and Baltar's God. Roslin becomes upset when she talks of her mother's death from cancer and the striking lack of anything noble or calming at that moment. As Kowalski tries to comfort her, the woman suddenly has a violent seizure of pain. Cottle arrives with medication, but tells Roslin that there's not much they can do for Kowalski now.

=== Act 4 ===

*As the group waits, the dying Eight speaks to Athena, who reaches out for her, but hesitates when she wants to touch her hand. Anders steps in to tenderly comfort the Cylon as she dies, astonished at how similar she is to a human.

*The group deciphers the Hybrid's message. All come to the conclusion that the final five Cylons came from the Thirteenth Tribe and so must also know the way to Earth. The boxed [[Number Three|Number Threes]] will lead them to the Final Five. Anders is unnerved by the conversation, likely fearing the exposure of his Cylon identity. The group leave to meet the ''Demetrius'', with Anders leaving last, still puzzled that he is drawn to help the Eight.

*Kowalski's vision of a river comes to pass in a dream Roslin experiences. The two stand on a boat, looking at a shore where human figures begin to appear, smiling and waving at Kowalski. Kowalski disappears to meet them, materializing on the shore. Roslin feels joy, then sees her own mother, smiling and waiting for Roslin to join her. She tells her she is not yet ready, stepping away from the boat's side, as the dream ends.

*Awakening from her dream, Roslin goes to see Kowalski but finds her bed empty. She died some time while she slept. Only her wireless receiver remains, still switched on.

*''Demetrius'' is prepping to leave as seconds count down but Agathon lets the clock run over in hesitation and to the crew's apprehension. Seconds before he is about to order the jump, the baseship arrives and broadcasts Colonial ID. Wireless contact is established with Athena, who reports that the baseship has been secured, much to Agathon's relief, and both ships prepare to join ''Galactica'' and the fleet.

*On ''Galactica'', Roslin meets with [[William Adama|William Adama]] in his quarters. She tells him that something may be truthful in Baltar's words, but Adama is reluctant. A sorrowful Adama talks of Thrace's death and return, [[Lee Adama|his son's]] [[Crossroads, Part I|resignation from the military]], and laments all the crew he sent with Thrace, wondering if he will see them again. But Roslin comforts him. The two smile as Adama tells her that Roslin helped him to believe that they really will find Earth.

== Notes ==

[[Image:Roslin's mother.jpg|thumb|Roslin's mother.]]

*Baltar's wireless broadcast contains a number of phrases from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy of [[:w:Hamlet|Hamlet]], including "shuffle off this mortal coil," and "the undiscover'd country, from whose bourn no traveler returns." These phrases refer to death and the afterlife, respectively. The full text of the soliloquy can be found [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Hamlet%2C_Prince_of_Denmark/Act_3 here].
*Meanwhile, the Hybrid's repeated speech borrows text from the Biblical book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 13 to 17.
*The comet/drifting baseship bears a visual resemblance to the [[Ship of Lights|Ship of Lights]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], both in the painting and reality.
*This episode marks the third time Laura Roslin discusses her family in any detail, and the first time viewers see an image of [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]. (The first mention, also involving her mother's fight with cancer, was in "[[Act of Contrition|Act of Contrition]]" in Season 1.)

== Analysis ==

=== General ===

*Some of the writers' misdirection from "[[He That Believeth in Me|He That Believeth in Me]]" becomes clear. The "giant gas planet with rings," assumed to be [[:w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[:w:Saturn|Saturn]], is revealed to be at the site of the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon battle]]. Moreover, the comet is a damaged and drifting basestar. This also explains how Conoy was able to help Thrace paint the scene in the previous episode, since he had already witnessed it himself.
*A close-up of Kara Thrace in the Hybrid's chamber evokes the [[Eye of Jupiter|Eye of Jupiter]], with Thrace's blue eye at the center, ringed by her bloodied eyebrow and blonde hair.
*With its inhibitor removed, the Centurion in the Hybrid's chamber seems visibly more aware of its environment. It turns its head to gaze at each member of the group as they enter, and again at Thrace as she questions the Hybrid. This contrasts with what was seen previously, when Centurions on guard duty simply stand immobile unless they perceive a threat, or are given a direct order.
*[[Jean Barolay|Barolay]]'s sudden death after the Six attacks her indicates that the Six's blows and delivered concussions caused internal bleeding into Barolay's brain.
*The importance of physical touching in Cylon culture is exhibited in this episode, especially how Cylons interact among their own specific models. For example, before Natalie executes the Six who murdered Barolay, they kiss each other. When the Eight who was shot by the Centurion is dying, she asks for Athena's forgiveness in her attempt to lead a mutiny, and stretches out her hand to touch Athena's. However, Athena refuses, and Anders steps in to provide that sense of touch before she dies. This interaction amongst the models within their own model number may be a reflection of being "with each other," especially in times of certain death. Something like this was seen earlier in "[[A Measure of Salvation|A Measure of Salvation]]", where the dying Cylons aboard the stricken basestar link hands in prayer.

=== Religion ===

*Even though Baltar is preaching for the "one true [[God (RDM)|God]]," the symbolism of a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead is very similar to the Greek legends involving the [[:w:Styx|River Styx]]. It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his teachings from an established religion that people are familiar with. This in part parallels the rise of Christianity, which expressed some of its ideas through the existing cultural forms of the established Roman polytheistic religions.
*Emily Kowalski's description of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] and their behavior is quite consistent with that of Greek mythology.
*When speaking of her mother's death, Laura Roslin mentions the [[:w:Elysium|Fields of Elysium]], a portion of the Greek underworld where heroic or virtuous souls end up after death that bears a resemblance to heaven in Christianity. It appears that the Colonials view of the afterlife is almost identical to that of the ancient Greeks.
*Roslin believes that the Lords of Kobol are not to be taken seriously but are metaphors. Roslin's mother took them more literally. This mirrors real life in which some people take the Jewish [[:w:Torah|Torah]] ([[:w:Old_Testament|Old Testament]]), the Christian Bible ([[:w:New_Testament|New Testament]]) and the Islamic [[:w:Koran|Koran]] as literal word for word truth and an accurate record of events, while others believe the stories are metaphors to be used as guidelines in life, but not hard pronouncements or actual history.
*The [[Hybrid utterances|hybrid utterance]] "All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly." appears to be a paraphrase of a line from the [[:w:Theosophy|theosophical]] text "[[:w:At_the_Feet_of_the_Master|At the Feet of the Master]]"

=== Characters ===

*The Eights' attempt to recruit Athena to lead a mutiny against the Sixes and presumably the Twos reveal an apparent character flaw that is prevalent amongst this particular model. Their allegiances and loyalty to a cause are not as strong as their fellow Cylon models, should those ties and beliefs cause suffering or death.
**This is also a somewhat ironic twist, as Athena and others aboard the ''Demetrius'' were encouraging Karl Agathon to initiate their own mutiny against Thrace just hours earlier. However, Athena is likely referring to her allegiance to the Colonials as a whole, which has not diminished.
*While the Sixes and the Twos are willing to initiate the search for the Final Five because of their specific strong religious beliefs, the Eights apparently join them not because of a desire in unraveling the mystery, so much as because it grants them the opportunity to say "no" to their programming.
*Though the word "faith" is never explicitly spoken throughout the episode, multiple allusions to the idea of trust are provided through the characters' interactions with each other. This is especially evident in the multiple times the phrase "...with you" appears in the dialog. When the Eight that is shot by the Centurion is dying, Anders holds her arm and tells her that he is with her. When Roslin and Adama speak with each other, Roslin tells Adama, after he pours out his feelings of uncertainty and doubt, that she is with him.
*Athena also shows deep conflict within herself in this episode in regards to her nature as a Cylon as seen in multiple scenes. Conoy's words to her about how their trip is a "homecoming" for Athena causes an immediate response. Later, when the Eights touch her and attempt to recruit her, she expresses disgust with them, but possibly including herself. Her declaration of choosing a side and sticking to it may be something she needs to hear more than they do. When Anders takes out his gun to execute the Six, it is Athena who also takes out her gun to defend the "human" and refers to herself as a human. Finally, her refusal to hold the dying Eight's hand shows a reluctance of being seen as a Cylon and that she is not with them.

== Questions ==

*Are the Centurions capable of getting an IFF signal from a humanoid Cylon, like a Raider does? Could one have exposed Anders if he had made direct eye contact?
*What does the Hybrid's statement that the five come from the home of the thirteenth mean?
**Were they made on Earth, the home of the thirteenth tribe? Or did they voyage to Earth from Cylon/Colonial space and then return?
**Does "the thirteenth" refer to "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]" mentioned in "[[The Eye of Jupiter|The Eye of Jupiter]]", to whom the [[Temple of Five|Temple of Five]] was dedicated?
*Will Thrace tell anyone about the Hybrid calling her "the harbinger of death"? Does anyone else hear the Hybrid's words to her?
*Will Helo and the others have to answer for their mutiny?
*How will Gaeta's injury affect his duties? Will his leg be amputated? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*What would have happened if Anders had put his hand in the [[Data-font|data-font]]?
*Why should the Cylons have any trouble figuring out the Raptor's FTL system? They have previously used Raptors ([[Torn|Torn]]).
*Why are the Raiders' FTL systems unsuitable?
*How will the Fleet respond when the ''Demetrius'' returns with the shipwrecked basestar in tow? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Without Natalie's help, would Anders have been able to pull the trigger to execute the Six?
*Does the revelation that the Final Five are from Earth and can lead the fleet to it encourage the hidden Four to reveal themselves?
*How will the Cylon rebels unbox the Threes? ([[The Hub|Answer]])
*Is Natalie's baseship the last place where there are Sixs, Twos, and Eights?
*Why did the Cavils' forces leave one baseship largely intact?
*Will Barolay's death, despite the execution of the Six, affect the truce amongst the Colonials once they discover that two from the ''Demetrius'' mission are dead?
*Is Conoy the only Two left amongst the Cylon rebels? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Why is Athena chosen to speak to the ''Demetrius'', given that another Eight could easily impersonate her?
*Are the baseship's crew all that remain of the Cylon rebels, or are there other survivors elsewhere?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Nana Visitor]] discusses her experiences while filming this episode:'''
: It was real acting, like I hadn't done for a while, and [it had] real writing. I loved it. I was very impressed all the way around. I though it was a great show. [...] I was on the set for maybe four or five days, or something like that, and it was a real rough set. You felt the world of ''Battlestar Galactica'' being very rough, and every set was dark, and it was tough. It was a whole different atmosphere.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.syfyportal.com/news425244.html|title=SyFy Portal: Nana Visitor Says 'Battlestar Galactica' World Rough|date=23 July 2008|accessdate=23 July 2008|last=Hinman|first=Michael|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''An [[Eight|Eight]] discussing mutiny with [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Agathon]]:''

:'''Sharon Agathon:''' You guys make me sick.
:'''Eight:''' Why?
:'''Agathon:''' Because you pick your side and you stick. You don't cut and run when things get ugly. Otherwise you'll never have anything. No love. No family. No life to call your own.

*''[[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] discuss the [[Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]]:''

:'''Emily Kowalski:''' Oh, Laura. And the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] are real? Reigning from a metaphysical mountaintop in those silly outfits? [[Zeus|Zeus]]? Handing out fates out of an urn like they were lottery tickets? 'You're gonna work on a [[Tylium|tylium]] ship. You're gonna be an admiral. Your family's gonna be evaporated in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|an attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]] but you'll survive for three more years on a moldy compartment on a freighter 'til your body starts to eat itself up alive.' Those are the gods that you worship? Capricious, vindictive...
:'''Laura Roslin:''' But they're not meant to be taken literally. They're metaphors, Emily.
:'''Kowalski:''' I don't need metaphors. I need answers.

*''Laura Roslin on her mother's death:''

:"You're like my mother. She wasn't satisfied with metaphors either. She was convinced that [[Aphrodite]] herself was gonna swoop her away when she died. And she believed it even when the [[Diloxin|diloxin]] and the radiation failed to stop her cancer. She was a teacher! She was... oh, she was something to behold. And the head of a classroom. And her students (starts crying) Her students loved her. They'd walk through fire for her and then they see this woman who seemed so eternal. She withered away and I find myself having to change her diaper because she couldn't even— At the moment she died there was no gleaming fields of Elysium stretched out before her. There was this dark, black abyss. And she was terrified. She was so scared."

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Trucco|Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders|Samuel Anders]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett|Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl Agathon]]
*[[Rekha Sharma|Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster|Tory Foster]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani|Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie|Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two|Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes|Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle|Cottle]]
*[[Bodie Olmos|Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
*[[Alisen Down|Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]]
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid|Hybrid]]
*[[Jennifer Halley|Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
*[[Nana Visitor|Nana Visitor]] as [[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]]
*[[Alana Husband|Alana Husband]] as Nurse [[Sashon|Sashon]]
*[[Leo Li Chiang|Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[Tattooed pilot|tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)
*Uncredited as [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]

== References ==
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== External Links ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary|Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=313]

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Faith

2008-11-17T03:56:05Z

Turambar29:

{{Episode Data
| image=4x06 - Faith - Promo 1.jpg
| title= Faith
| season= 4
| episode= 6
| forumthread= 1040
| guests=
| writer=[[Kevin Fahey]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Nankin]]
| production=408
| rating=1.2
| US airdate=9 May 2008
| CAN airdate=9 May 2008
| UK airdate=13 May 2008
| dvd=
| oldpopulation=39676
| population=39675
| prev= [[The Road Less Traveled]]
| next= [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]]
| imdb=0993930
| hulu=Y
}}

== Overview ==

:''The cancer-stricken President [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] and hotheaded pilot [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] both must make difficult leaps of faith in order to accept an uneasy alliance with the Cylons.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

*Angry and defiant at [[Karl Agathon|Karl Agathon]]'s refusal to [[The Road Less Traveled|obey orders]] to travel to a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] attempts to jump the ship herself when [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] restrains her.
*Agathon orders [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to jump the ship back to ''Galactica''. [[Samuel Anders|Samuel Anders]] points out that they will be returning as mutineers, but Agathon responds that Admiral Adama will sort things out.
*Anders intervenes with a sidearm, shooting Gaeta in the leg to stop him from following Agathon's order to jump back to the Fleet. Chaos ensues as Marines arrive.
*Everyone stands down as Gaeta is attended to, in severe pain from a leg wound.
*Realizing that taking the ''[[Demetrius|Demetrius]]'' itself to the baseship would be too great a risk, Thrace rescinds her original order, suggesting to fly their only [[Raptor|Raptor]] to the baseship with Athena and Anders as crew, taking [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben Conoy]] with them. Agathon initially objects but realizes it's the best compromise. He tells her that she has only 15 hours to complete her mission before the ''Demetrius'' must jump to rendezvous with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] or be left behind.

=== Act 1 ===

*[[Tory Foster|Tory Foster]] is packing things up on ''[[Colonial One|Colonial One]]''. [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] is at her desk, bald and not wearing her wig. She tells Foster to keep things going as she finishes the last two [[Diloxin|diloxin]] treatments, where she'll be on ''[[Galactica|Galactica]]'' and indisposed during that time. Roslin tries to encourage Foster to watch out for sudden moves by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]].
*On day 58 of their mission, the crew prepares the Raptor. Athena promises to work with Thrace as does [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]], who appreciates Thrace's strong reputation.
*The Raptor jumps and finds a massive graveyard of dead baseships and [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] floating dead in space. Thrace is amazed. They are by a large gas giant in a trinary star system, just as her visions suggested.
*On the ''Demetrius'', Gaeta is heavily medicated with [[Morpha|morpha]] for the pain. He asks Agathon not to have Dr. [[Cottle|Cottle]] amputate his leg, as he realizes that the longer he doesn't get advanced care, the more likely [[:w:gangrene|gangrene]] will set in.
*The Raptor carefully searches for the baseship amidst the exploding ordnance. Thrace can hear "music" (Leoben confirms this is a rare trait among some Cylons as well) and takes control to fly the Raptor towards the gas giant. She sees the comet she expected, but not in the form; Leoben's stricken baseship is flying past, trailing gas that gives it a comet-like appearance.
*When approaching the baseship, the Raptor is hit by a piece of debris hurtled at them from an explosion and impacting the cockpit canopy.

=== Act 2 ===

[[Image:408 showdown.jpg|thumb|Natalie attempts to defuse the situation...]]

*Thrace awakens to find the Raptor safely landed within the baseship interior.

*Athena arrives to find herself surrounded by an army of other [[Number Eight|Number Eights]], who recognize her independence from all things Cylon. They ask her to help mutiny against the [[Number Six|Sixes]], whom they feel have been making a series of mistakes. Athena rejects them, telling them to find their own individuality and help her or get out of her way.
*In sickbay, amidst [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]'s voice on [[Wireless|wireless]] discussing his [[God (RDM)|God]], Roslin encounters a woman in [[Sickbay|sickbay]], [[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]], who is gravely ill with cancer as well. When Roslin tries to turn off the wireless and Baltar, the woman becomes very upset and yells for Roslin to leave.
*Thrace's meeting with the surviving leaders of the baseship does not go well, but Leoben succeeds in convincing [[Natalie|Natalie]] that they must work together.
*Athena accesses the [[Datastream|datastream]] to determine how to mate the Raptor's jump drive to the baseship. Doing so requires disconnecting the Hybrid. As the group preps, Anders slowly reaches down to touch the [[Data-font|data-font]] but pulls his hand back when Thrace calls his name.
*A Six sees [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]] and recognizes her as the human who killed her on [[New Caprica|New Caprica]]. When Barolay doesn't show any remorse and says she would do the same again, the Six attacks her and smashes her head into the Raptor's hull, which kills Barolay. Anders pounces on the Six and is ready to kill the Cylon when Thrace manages to talk him down.
*The Six that killed Barolay speaks to Natalie, obviously dealing with psychological trauma from the death on New Caprica that she had not been able to shake. After kissing the distraught Six, Natalie grabs Anders's hand and pulls the trigger on his gun, killing the Six permanently as there is no [[Resurrection Ship|Resurrection Ship]] nearby, carrying out a form of justice for the Colonials, who are shocked.
*Roslin meets again with Emily Kowalski, who gives her a scarf, a present. The two make small talk of what they will do after they get well. She warns Roslin that her sickness will get worse and to be prepared.

=== Act 3 ===

*Thrace arrives in the Hybrid's chamber, who seems to ignore her, discussing ship functions but repeating one phrase in particular.[[Image:408 unplugging the hybrid.jpg|thumb|Agathon unplugs the Hybrid after it delivers its prophecy to Thrace.]]

*In sickbay, Emily Kowalski tells Roslin why she listens to Baltar. After speaking to Cottle, she tells of a dream where she saw people standing on the opposite side of a river: dead loved ones. She felt a presence, a warm loving presence that calmed her. Roslin questions the dream but Emily notes that the dream is real.

*Thrace and Natalie continue to listen to the [[Hybrid utterances|Hybrid's utterances]]. Leoben instructs Thrace to listen carefully, not to hurry the construct.

*Athena is ready to activate the jump augmentations and disconnect the Hybrid. Irritated at getting nowhere with the Hybrid, Thrace orders the jump.
*When it is unplugged, the Hybrid makes an inhuman scream, which causes a guarding [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurion]] (still in [[Telencephalic inhibitor|sentient mode]]) to fire in defense, severely wounding an Eight before the group manages to take the Centurion down.

*The Hybrid gives Thrace a coherent message as the Eight's blood mixes with the fluid in her tank: The dying leader will discover the truth about the [[Opera House|Opera House]], the missing Three will be used to find the Five, who come from the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], and that she, Thrace, is the harbinger of death that will take all to their end. Thrace is horrified at the message. The Hybrid then deactivates.

*Kowalski and Roslin continue to discuss the authenticity of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] and Baltar's God. Roslin becomes upset when she talks of her mother's death from cancer and the striking lack of anything noble or calming at that moment. As Kowalski tries to comfort her, the woman suddenly has a violent seizure of pain. Cottle arrives with medication, but tells Roslin that there's not much they can do for Kowalski now.

=== Act 4 ===

*As the group waits, the dying Eight speaks to Athena, who reaches out for her, but hesitates when she wants to touch her hand. Anders steps in to tenderly comfort the Cylon as she dies, astonished at how similar she is to a human.

*The group deciphers the Hybrid's message. All come to the conclusion that the final five Cylons came from the Thirteenth Tribe and so must also know the way to Earth. The boxed [[Number Three|Number Threes]] will lead them to the Final Five. Anders is unnerved by the conversation, likely fearing the exposure of his Cylon identity. The group leave to meet the ''Demetrius'', with Anders leaving last, still puzzled that he is drawn to help the Eight.

*Kowalski's vision of a river comes to pass in a dream Roslin experiences. The two stand on a boat, looking at a shore where human figures begin to appear, smiling and waving at Kowalski. Kowalski disappears to meet them, materializing on the shore. Roslin feels joy, then sees her own mother, smiling and waiting for Roslin to join her. She tells her she is not yet ready, stepping away from the boat's side, as the dream ends.

*Awakening from her dream, Roslin goes to see Kowalski but finds her bed empty. She died some time while she slept. Only her wireless receiver remains, still switched on.

*''Demetrius'' is prepping to leave as seconds count down but Agathon lets the clock run over in hesitation and to the crew's apprehension. Seconds before he is about to order the jump, the baseship arrives and broadcasts Colonial ID. Wireless contact is established with Athena, who reports that the baseship has been secured, much to Agathon's relief, and both ships prepare to join ''Galactica'' and the fleet.

*On ''Galactica'', Roslin meets with [[William Adama|William Adama]] in his quarters. She tells him that something may be truthful in Baltar's words, but Adama is reluctant. A sorrowful Adama talks of Thrace's death and return, [[Lee Adama|his son's]] [[Crossroads, Part I|resignation from the military]], and laments all the crew he sent with Thrace, wondering if he will see them again. But Roslin comforts him. The two smile as Adama tells her that Roslin helped him to believe that they really will find Earth.

== Notes ==

[[Image:Roslin's mother.jpg|thumb|Roslin's mother.]]

*Baltar's wireless broadcast contains a number of phrases from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy of [[:w:Hamlet|Hamlet]], including "shuffle off this mortal coil," and "the undiscover'd country, from whose bourn no traveler returns." These phrases refer to death and the afterlife, respectively. The full text of the soliloquy can be found [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Hamlet%2C_Prince_of_Denmark/Act_3 here].
*Meanwhile, the Hybrid's repeated speech borrows text from the Biblical book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 13 to 17.
*The comet/drifting baseship bears a visual resemblance to the [[Ship of Lights|Ship of Lights]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], both in the painting and reality.
*This episode marks the third time Laura Roslin discusses her family in any detail, and the first time viewers see an image of [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]. (The first mention, also involving her mother's fight with cancer, was in "[[Act of Contrition|Act of Contrition]]" in Season 1.)

== Analysis ==

=== General ===

*Some of the writers' misdirection from "[[He That Believeth in Me|He That Believeth in Me]]" becomes clear. The "giant gas planet with rings," assumed to be [[:w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[:w:Saturn|Saturn]], is revealed to be at the site of the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon battle]]. Moreover, the comet is a damaged and drifting basestar. This also explains how Conoy was able to help Thrace paint the scene in the previous episode, since he had already witnessed it himself.
*A close-up of Kara Thrace in the Hybrid's chamber evokes the [[Eye of Jupiter|Eye of Jupiter]], with Thrace's blue eye at the center, ringed by her bloodied eyebrow and blonde hair.
*With its inhibitor removed, the Centurion in the Hybrid's chamber seems visibly more aware of its environment. It turns its head to gaze at each member of the group as they enter, and again at Thrace as she questions the Hybrid. This contrasts with what was seen previously, when Centurions on guard duty simply stand immobile unless they perceive a threat, or are given a direct order.
*[[Jean Barolay|Barolay]]'s sudden death after the Six attacks her indicates that the Six's blows and delivered concussions caused internal bleeding into Barolay's brain.
*The importance of physical touching in Cylon culture is exhibited in this episode, especially how Cylons interact among their own specific models. For example, before Natalie executes the Six who murdered Barolay, they kiss each other. When the Eight who was shot by the Centurion is dying, she asks for Athena's forgiveness in her attempt to lead a mutiny, and stretches out her hand to touch Athena's. However, Athena refuses, and Anders steps in to provide that sense of touch before she dies. This interaction amongst the models within their own model number may be a reflection of being "with each other," especially in times of certain death. Something like this was seen earlier in "[[A Measure of Salvation|A Measure of Salvation]]", where the dying Cylons aboard the stricken basestar link hands in prayer.

=== Religion ===

*Even though Baltar is preaching for the "one true [[God (RDM)|God]]," the symbolism of a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead is very similar to the Greek legends involving the [[:w:Styx|River Styx]]. It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his teachings from an established religion that people are familiar with. This also parallels the rise of Christianity, which expressed some of its ideas through the existing cultural forms of the established Roman polytheistic religions.
*Emily Kowalski's description of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] and their behavior is quite consistent with that of Greek mythology.
*When speaking of her mother's death, Laura Roslin mentions the [[:w:Elysium|Fields of Elysium]], a portion of the Greek underworld where heroic or virtuous souls end up after death that bears a resemblance to heaven in Christianity. It appears that the Colonials view of the afterlife is almost identical to that of the ancient Greeks.
*Roslin believes that the Lords of Kobol are not to be taken seriously but are metaphors. Roslin's mother took them more literally. This mirrors real life in which some people take the Jewish [[:w:Torah|Torah]] ([[:w:Old_Testament|Old Testament]]), the Christian Bible ([[:w:New_Testament|New Testament]]) and the Islamic [[:w:Koran|Koran]] as literal word for word truth and an accurate record of events, while others believe the stories are metaphors to be used as guidelines in life, but not hard pronouncements or actual history.
*The [[Hybrid utterances|hybrid utterance]] "All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly." appears to be a paraphrase of a line from the [[:w:Theosophy|theosophical]] text "[[:w:At_the_Feet_of_the_Master|At the Feet of the Master]]"

=== Characters ===

*The Eights' attempt to recruit Athena to lead a mutiny against the Sixes and presumably the Twos reveal an apparent character flaw that is prevalent amongst this particular model. Their allegiances and loyalty to a cause are not as strong as their fellow Cylon models, should those ties and beliefs cause suffering or death.
**This is also a somewhat ironic twist, as Athena and others aboard the ''Demetrius'' were encouraging Karl Agathon to initiate their own mutiny against Thrace just hours earlier. However, Athena is likely referring to her allegiance to the Colonials as a whole, which has not diminished.
*While the Sixes and the Twos are willing to initiate the search for the Final Five because of their specific strong religious beliefs, the Eights apparently join them not because of a desire in unraveling the mystery, so much as because it grants them the opportunity to say "no" to their programming.
*Though the word "faith" is never explicitly spoken throughout the episode, multiple allusions to the idea of trust are provided through the characters' interactions with each other. This is especially evident in the multiple times the phrase "...with you" appears in the dialog. When the Eight that is shot by the Centurion is dying, Anders holds her arm and tells her that he is with her. When Roslin and Adama speak with each other, Roslin tells Adama, after he pours out his feelings of uncertainty and doubt, that she is with him.
*Athena also shows deep conflict within herself in this episode in regards to her nature as a Cylon as seen in multiple scenes. Conoy's words to her about how their trip is a "homecoming" for Athena causes an immediate response. Later, when the Eights touch her and attempt to recruit her, she expresses disgust with them, but possibly including herself. Her declaration of choosing a side and sticking to it may be something she needs to hear more than they do. When Anders takes out his gun to execute the Six, it is Athena who also takes out her gun to defend the "human" and refers to herself as a human. Finally, her refusal to hold the dying Eight's hand shows a reluctance of being seen as a Cylon and that she is not with them.

== Questions ==

*Are the Centurions capable of getting an IFF signal from a humanoid Cylon, like a Raider does? Could one have exposed Anders if he had made direct eye contact?
*What does the Hybrid's statement that the five come from the home of the thirteenth mean?
**Were they made on Earth, the home of the thirteenth tribe? Or did they voyage to Earth from Cylon/Colonial space and then return?
**Does "the thirteenth" refer to "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]" mentioned in "[[The Eye of Jupiter|The Eye of Jupiter]]", to whom the [[Temple of Five|Temple of Five]] was dedicated?
*Will Thrace tell anyone about the Hybrid calling her "the harbinger of death"? Does anyone else hear the Hybrid's words to her?
*Will Helo and the others have to answer for their mutiny?
*How will Gaeta's injury affect his duties? Will his leg be amputated? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*What would have happened if Anders had put his hand in the [[Data-font|data-font]]?
*Why should the Cylons have any trouble figuring out the Raptor's FTL system? They have previously used Raptors ([[Torn|Torn]]).
*Why are the Raiders' FTL systems unsuitable?
*How will the Fleet respond when the ''Demetrius'' returns with the shipwrecked basestar in tow? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Without Natalie's help, would Anders have been able to pull the trigger to execute the Six?
*Does the revelation that the Final Five are from Earth and can lead the fleet to it encourage the hidden Four to reveal themselves?
*How will the Cylon rebels unbox the Threes? ([[The Hub|Answer]])
*Is Natalie's baseship the last place where there are Sixs, Twos, and Eights?
*Why did the Cavils' forces leave one baseship largely intact?
*Will Barolay's death, despite the execution of the Six, affect the truce amongst the Colonials once they discover that two from the ''Demetrius'' mission are dead?
*Is Conoy the only Two left amongst the Cylon rebels? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Why is Athena chosen to speak to the ''Demetrius'', given that another Eight could easily impersonate her?
*Are the baseship's crew all that remain of the Cylon rebels, or are there other survivors elsewhere?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Nana Visitor]] discusses her experiences while filming this episode:'''
: It was real acting, like I hadn't done for a while, and [it had] real writing. I loved it. I was very impressed all the way around. I though it was a great show. [...] I was on the set for maybe four or five days, or something like that, and it was a real rough set. You felt the world of ''Battlestar Galactica'' being very rough, and every set was dark, and it was tough. It was a whole different atmosphere.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.syfyportal.com/news425244.html|title=SyFy Portal: Nana Visitor Says 'Battlestar Galactica' World Rough|date=23 July 2008|accessdate=23 July 2008|last=Hinman|first=Michael|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''An [[Eight|Eight]] discussing mutiny with [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Agathon]]:''

:'''Sharon Agathon:''' You guys make me sick.
:'''Eight:''' Why?
:'''Agathon:''' Because you pick your side and you stick. You don't cut and run when things get ugly. Otherwise you'll never have anything. No love. No family. No life to call your own.

*''[[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] discuss the [[Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]]:''

:'''Emily Kowalski:''' Oh, Laura. And the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] are real? Reigning from a metaphysical mountaintop in those silly outfits? [[Zeus|Zeus]]? Handing out fates out of an urn like they were lottery tickets? 'You're gonna work on a [[Tylium|tylium]] ship. You're gonna be an admiral. Your family's gonna be evaporated in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|an attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]] but you'll survive for three more years on a moldy compartment on a freighter 'til your body starts to eat itself up alive.' Those are the gods that you worship? Capricious, vindictive...
:'''Laura Roslin:''' But they're not meant to be taken literally. They're metaphors, Emily.
:'''Kowalski:''' I don't need metaphors. I need answers.

*''Laura Roslin on her mother's death:''

:"You're like my mother. She wasn't satisfied with metaphors either. She was convinced that [[Aphrodite]] herself was gonna swoop her away when she died. And she believed it even when the [[Diloxin|diloxin]] and the radiation failed to stop her cancer. She was a teacher! She was... oh, she was something to behold. And the head of a classroom. And her students (starts crying) Her students loved her. They'd walk through fire for her and then they see this woman who seemed so eternal. She withered away and I find myself having to change her diaper because she couldn't even— At the moment she died there was no gleaming fields of Elysium stretched out before her. There was this dark, black abyss. And she was terrified. She was so scared."

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Trucco|Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders|Samuel Anders]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett|Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl Agathon]]
*[[Rekha Sharma|Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster|Tory Foster]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani|Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie|Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two|Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes|Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle|Cottle]]
*[[Bodie Olmos|Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
*[[Alisen Down|Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]]
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid|Hybrid]]
*[[Jennifer Halley|Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
*[[Nana Visitor|Nana Visitor]] as [[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]]
*[[Alana Husband|Alana Husband]] as Nurse [[Sashon|Sashon]]
*[[Leo Li Chiang|Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[Tattooed pilot|tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)
*Uncredited as [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]

== References ==
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== External Links ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary|Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=313]

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Turambar29:

== Writer and director source ==
The infobox says Michael Nankin has directed "Faith", and that Seamus Kevin Fahey has written it. What's our source for this? Also note that Edward James Olmos [http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---interviews/edward-james-olmos-galactica.tv-interview.html has said] he'd direct "episode six". Of course he could also be counting "Razor" as an episode and mean Into the West, or there could've been a change of plans... --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:01, 17 November 2007 (CST)
:Obviously the article where the story information comes from (footnote 2): http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/09/battlestar-ga-1.html --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:08, 17 November 2007 (CST)

== ¡Very intense! ==

This is at least one of the top 5 episode in the series. Unfortunately, this is not an Encyclopædic observation. One of us shall figure out how to summarize it properly.
:Perhaps you would be interested in commenting on the [http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=1040 battlestar forum]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 09:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Name spelling ==

We need to determine Emily Kowalski's proper spelling. I believe I have it right in the initial ep summary; the other spelling is grammatically off. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
: Just checked the credits on Hulu. It's "Kowalski". The other spelling came from a certain [http://www.imdb.com septic system]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

== Location-based summary? ==

I think a location-based summary (i.e. "On ''Demetrius''", "On a baseship" and "On ''Galactica''") makes more sense than an act-based summary for this episode. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that would be better here. Any other opinions?
::I know things seem weird with acts vs. locations. It's a toss-up. Acts allow a reader to know how things move in an episode as they are revealed chronologically to the airing. Locations are less confusing to define what happens at a specific place, but destroy the ''when'' in relation to other locations, and even sometimes itself. I also find it easier to write ep summaries as they play.

::If we go location on this, it's important that the narrative language keep to strong emphasis on when things happen and approximately how long between events so readers don't think that, for instance, a small time passed before the Hybrid directly addressed Kara when the episode showed (through breaks and Galactica scenes) that some time passed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Gas Giant ==

I don't recall seeing any rings around the gas giant, and last episode Starbuck painted a very different gas giant with visible rings. We know what the comet is, but it looks like her "giant gas planet with rings" is still up for grabs. [[User:INH|INH]] 00:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
: It's an artistic depiction... doesn't make it accurate. Also, her clarity and mental status is questionable, at best. Like the people on ''Demetrius'', we can't place our full trust in Thrace or anything she has to say. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 00:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Possible Ship of Lights reference? ==

When Starbuck sees the Basestar near the Gas Giant I can't help but notice the startling similarity to that and the Ship of Lights from the original series. If I recall correctly the Ship of Light was responsible for ressurrecting Apollo. The pilots in the orginal series would also hear music similar to how Starbuck could hear the music. They are both visually similar. Being both shown as emitting blue light. {{unsigned|Adamgnome}}
:I though that from the painting already. But I don't put any deeper meaning whatsoever in it. For me, it's a visual homage at most -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== The ship Aurora in the fleet after New Caprica ==

I heard Emily mention the [[Aurora (ship)|Aurora]] when she gave the bandana to Roslin. Can we add that in or shall I now?--[[User:CoreyDanian]] 1.36 CST May 12 2008
:It's already noted on the ship page and doesn't really add anything here.

== Death count ==

I may have missed it in other comments, but should it not be 2. We lost both Emily Kowalski and Jean.
:The population count for [[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?]] will probably fall by two to account for this. I can't see where in this article it's inaccurate. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 09:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The article is flawless, what i meant was the change in the popluation. I am new here, so the population count reflects the last episode. [[The-Dude]] 10.24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:The count reflects the one in the opening credits, which only accounts for deaths up to and including the teaser. For a somewhat more accurate one see [[survivor count]] -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Comment by Leoben re. Harbringer of Death ==

OK, I added a comment after the first time viewing this episode that Leoben appeared to directly mention the hybrid's "harbringer" line at the start of Act 4, as a subnote to the question section about whether Kara will tell anyone about the line (no need to tell if they already heard). I watched the episode a second time and he clearly states something about Kara leading them all to their death, although it was very quiet so it was difficult to make out every word. Yet I noticed today my note has been deleted. Is there a reason why? I don't see anything in the discussion section about it...thanks! {{unsigned|MathewBurrack}}
:I checked the scene(s) and didn't hear anything, but maybe it's there after all. A timestamp would be good. Still, the question section is for questions only and shouldn't contain elaborations or comments such at that. That's what Analysis, or maybe Notes (if it's self-evident) is for. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 20:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Billy ? ==

During [[Roslin]]'s vision, I wondered if the tall blurry guy in a brown suit could have been [[Billy]].
Am I completely wrong, or did anyone think the same ?
--[[User:Vnz|Vnz]] 12:13, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== FTL system plot hole ==
It seems awfully contrived that the Cylons needed to use the Rader's FTL system. IMO the most likely possibilities are that Leoben's Raider was the only FTL-capable Raider which wasn't destroyed in the battle, or that the other FTL-capable raiders had their FTL computers rendered inoperable (or at least unreliable) due to EMP damage. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 07:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:All of their Raiders might have been destroyed in the battle. Why else did the Raptor approach the damaged battlestar unchallenged by a patrol? With no Raiders and a damaged FTL, Cavil's baseship might have decided to leave what's left of them behind for dead.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Given their behaviour in [[He That Believeth In Me]], it seems likely that the non-lobotomized Raiders would once again retreat if ordered to attack the Cavil faction's Basestars and Raiders. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 08:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::But that assumes that the Raiders have no sense of self-preservation. I agree, non-lobotmized Raiders wouldn't attack other Cylons unprovoked, but when it's being fired upon? -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 19:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Water depth markers on the ferry ==
Saw this mentioned somewhere. The Roslin ferry scene - the ferry as the depth markers 12-11-10-9 on the bow. Just another Admiral Tigh incident (doesn't really mean anything), but interesting. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:What's wrong with those markers? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that four numbers of twelve are visible above the waterline seems like a clear reference to the four Cylons revealed in "Crossroads, Part II", but the significance eludes me. The Four are visible in some way that the Seven and the One is not? That doesn't seem to make sense. "Number Eight" is just below the surface? But we know who she is. And what of the placement in Roslin's dream, a plotline mostly unconnected to the Cylon mythology? I suppose it was probably a neat-looking throwaway, and that analyzing it as a plot clue is probably going to be fruitless. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Right. I thought this was pointed out as an Admiral Tigh kind of mistake where 12 m (or 12 ft) would be ridiculously long/short. Trying to interpret it in terms of Cylon numbers doesn't make much sense. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 21:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The reason that I mention it is that likely someone sometime will try to make a big deal about when, like Admiral Tigh, it means nothing. A preemptive strike. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 23:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Religious Parallels ==
The page mentions that Baltar's use of the river imagery for the passage to death "also parallels the rise of Christianity, which adopted things from other religions, including some rites of the established Roman polytheistic religions." This seems unsubstantiated, can we get a specific parallel? -- [[User:Turambar29|Turambar29]] 03:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)