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Talk:Flesh and Bone/Archive 1

2011-06-18T01:31:59Z

Titusflavius: /* Political analysis */

I am not sure if this is of interest:

The article says (under Notes): "At the beginning of this episode, Boomer is humming a melody when she touches the captured Cylon Raider. The melody is from a Korean children's song, 'The spring pool on the mountain'."

It may be known in Korea as 'The spring pool on the mountain', but I am quite certain that it is a German song known as "Drunten im Unterland" from the 19th century (music by Friedrich Silcher, text by Gottfried Weigle).

See http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/show_song.php?ix=300138

Listen to [http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/midi/300138.mid this MIDI file] (seconds 12-22) or [http://ingeb.org/Lieder/drunten2.mid another MIDI file].

--[[User:Ronald|Ronald]] 15:29, 18 November 2007 (CST)

:It might be, Ronald. If significant, it would be at least the [[The Music|second time]] that music makes a connection to the fate of the Colonials and the Cylons. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:16, 18 November 2007 (CST)

:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)
::[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=40019#videoid=31753 This is the interview]. Tune to about 1:06 left for the question and answer. She doesn't specifically mention the name of the song, just that it was a "folk song, or it's a Korean lullaby that my mom sang to us." I'm not sure where the name came in, or if the song sounds like that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:59, 18 November 2007 (CST)

:::Thanks for the reference to the interview. I believe that Grace Park's comment ""It's actually not totally ad-lib. ''I chose that song''" is important - so it probably has no significance for the story. --[[User:Ronald|Ronald]] 04:38, 19 November 2007 (CST)

== Political analysis ==

I´m not sure if this should be included into the "analysis" topic.

A few important themes.
1) It asks the question of the "humanity" of Cylons. Kara Thrace often chalenges Leoben's claim into being a living being with a soul. It might be viewd as a philosohical question of what defines humanity and what makes us have a soul. Humans are made of "flesh and bones", a biological mechanism not very different from the Cylons. The question is: aren´t we (humans) also a kind of machine programed somehow to believe in God(s)?
2) There is a direct relationship between the torture of Leoben and the "thicking bomb" exemple used to justify torture of guatanamo prisioners. Leoben criticises the military of "dehumanize" its victims. By treating him as less-than-human, the torture could be justified.
3) Loeben seems to have a religious justification for the destruction of humanity. He describes the attack as an kind of moral action to eliminate a sinnfull race. It is both an insight into the Cylons' motivation and another reference to contemporary politics by representing the Cylons as religious fanatics.

Talk:Flesh and Bone/Archive 1

2011-06-18T01:22:43Z

Titusflavius: /* Political analysis */ new section

I am not sure if this is of interest:

The article says (under Notes): "At the beginning of this episode, Boomer is humming a melody when she touches the captured Cylon Raider. The melody is from a Korean children's song, 'The spring pool on the mountain'."

It may be known in Korea as 'The spring pool on the mountain', but I am quite certain that it is a German song known as "Drunten im Unterland" from the 19th century (music by Friedrich Silcher, text by Gottfried Weigle).

See http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/show_song.php?ix=300138

Listen to [http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/midi/300138.mid this MIDI file] (seconds 12-22) or [http://ingeb.org/Lieder/drunten2.mid another MIDI file].

--[[User:Ronald|Ronald]] 15:29, 18 November 2007 (CST)

:It might be, Ronald. If significant, it would be at least the [[The Music|second time]] that music makes a connection to the fate of the Colonials and the Cylons. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:16, 18 November 2007 (CST)

:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)
::[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=40019#videoid=31753 This is the interview]. Tune to about 1:06 left for the question and answer. She doesn't specifically mention the name of the song, just that it was a "folk song, or it's a Korean lullaby that my mom sang to us." I'm not sure where the name came in, or if the song sounds like that. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:59, 18 November 2007 (CST)

:::Thanks for the reference to the interview. I believe that Grace Park's comment ""It's actually not totally ad-lib. ''I chose that song''" is important - so it probably has no significance for the story. --[[User:Ronald|Ronald]] 04:38, 19 November 2007 (CST)

== Political analysis ==

I´m not sure if this should be included into the "analysis" topic.

Two important themes.
1) It asks the question of the "humanity" of Cylons. Kara Thrace often chalenges Leoben's claim into being a living being with a soul. It might be viewd as a philosohical question of what defines humanity and what makes us have a soul. Humans are made of "flesh and bones", a biological mechanism not very different from the Cylons. The question is: aren´t we (humans) also a kind of machine programed somehow to believe in God(s)?
2) There is a direct relationship between the torture of Leoben and the "thicking bomb" exemple used to justify torture of guatanamo prisioners. Leoben criticises the military of "dehumanize" its victims. By treating him as less-than-human, the torture could be justified.

Talk:Six Degrees of Separation/Archive 1

2011-06-17T23:58:10Z

Titusflavius: /* Baltar´s Six */ new section

Were they really attempting to "reverse-engineer" the Raider, or just see if they could get it to work again and what makes it work? my impression was the latter... [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 01:32, 4 November 2005 (EST)

:How is that different than reverse engineering? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:35, 4 November 2005 (EST)

::Wait, yeah, reverse-engineering is when you analyze something to build your own; just analyzing the Raider to learn how to fly it again isn't that --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 09:45, 4 November 2005 (EST)

:::No, it's when you take something apart to find out how it works, rather than building it from scratch. See [[Wikipedia:Reverse engineering|Reverse engineering]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:48, 4 November 2005 (EST)

As to the question "Who wrote "CYLON" on Boomer's locker mirror?" I think the answer is Boomer herself. The scene starts with here looking like she just woke up from sleeping and when she's opening the locker and later the medicine bottle it looks like she has something yellow on her fingers. --[[User:Yorthen|Yorthen]] 14:13, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

:I always thought it was Boomer herself too. But the "The Story So Far" recap said it were other crewmembers who suspected her to be a Cylon. But we don't really have to accept that as the one truth, and I prefer that it was Sharon --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:21, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

::I don't think what is said in "The Story So Far" is meant to indicate that it was some other who wrote it, but rather a more general statement that some crew-members began to suspect that she might be a Cylon (probably meaning Chief Tyrol). --[[User:Yorthen|Yorthen]] 14:10, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

== "No more mr. nice Gaius" ==

Don't you think, that this statement, "No more mr. nice Gaius", cried loudly by Baltar in the restroom, is a reference to an Alice Cooper song, titled "No More Mr. Nice Guy"?
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:No, I'd say it's a reference to a common colloquial phrase, just like the song is. [[User:Btman|Btman]] 04:24, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

== Not that kind of shot? ==

When the Doc is preparing to give Roslin her shot, and she bares her arm, he tells her, "it's not that kind of shot." Maybe I'm being dense, but ... what? I'm sure he didn't mean it was tequila. [[User:Btman|Btman]] 04:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:He was clearly going to give her a shot in a more personal region, like her bottom. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
::Fair enough; that seemed like the simplest explanation, but the way the scene cut away and never returned to it made it seem like there was meant to be more significance to it than just a comedic aside. Just seemed like an odd directing decision, I guess. [[User:Btman|Btman]] 18:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Cutting away and not returning is standard for a comedic aside. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)<noinclude></noinclude>

== Don't make me angry Mr MeGee; You would not like me when I am angry! ==

In the projection the Virtual Caprica Six tells Gaius Baltar; a line similar to the 1970's TV series The Incredible Hulk; the Dr. David Banner said to the Reporter who is chasing him. Caprica Six says "Don't make me angry Gaius, You would not like me when I am angry" I remember BSG TOS ran around about the same time period as the Bill Bixby Hulk show...and if you have noticed things like characters saying things like "For Sagan's Sake" being a reference to the astronmer Carl Sagan, whose show "Cosmos" premeired in the TOS or 1980 spinoff time...I wonder if Ron Moore or David Eick threw in more of these little puns to see if people like us notice them!--[[User:Balator|Balator]] 01:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

== Baltar´s Six ==

We don´t really now what is baltar´s hallucination. She could be several things. I´ll discuss a few briefly. 1) An inplant from the Cylons to manipulate him. I believe its is unlikly, since the film "The Plan" contradics it. The Cylons infiltrated into the colonial fleet had no knowledge of her. 2) She could be Baltar´s subconsios mind. It´s an interesting interpretatin, becouse her behavior is opposed to Baltar´s. He is skeptic, hesitant and weak-minded. She is decisive, strong-willed and she believes in God. She might be a psychological mechanism for him to deal with the trauma of having survived a Holocaust he helped to create. 3) She might be some kind of "angel" from God (or the Gods). If this is right, her role is to guide Baltar into the path he must pursue in order to fullfill God´s plan.

Important detail: At the end of the episode, Baltar asks if the whole episode really happened. He is so confused that he cannot distinguish reality from illusion anymore.