Talk:Baltar as Cylon speculation/Archive 1

2008-06-08T07:51:04Z

Thomas shaw: /* Thoughts post */ new section

Being from the standard Wikipedia, and not knowing the nature of this type of article, how are these questions able to be discussed here? What I'm driving at is, I have theories of my own about who/what Baltar is, which seem to fit my observations. Are they appropriate here? If not, how are these other speculations plausible? Thanks in advance for any replies. - [[User:Cobaltbluetony|Cobaltbluetony]] 10:08, 17 November 2006 (CST)

:Feel free to discuss them on the talk pages, first- it saves some effort if edits on the main page have to be reverted, etc :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 02:33, 21 December 2006 (CST)

== Major Revision ==

I've updated and concised this article, removing some [[BW:FANW|fanwanking]] and disproven [[BW:CJ|plausible speculation]] and detailing season three events where Baltar's nature is directly questioned in a story arc. I've also altered the article's tone to make it more neutral. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:23, 6 January 2007 (CST)
:Excellent update! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:57, 6 January 2007 (CST)

==Baltar's Cylonity Debunked==
I think we should at least include mention that Baltar's imaginary Number Six basically told him that he was not a Cylon and that he would die, therefore telling us of her opinion that he is nothing more than a human. Now, she seems to know things, so I'm thinking the fact that she made an "official statement" sort of lowers Baltar's probablity of being a Cylon. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20:33, 9 February 2007 (CST)
:According to the [[Podcast:Rapture|Rapture podcast]] Baltar ''believes'' he isn't a Cylon but still isn't sure. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:38, 10 February 2007 (CST)
::I'm not saying it is (the title is mainly to grab attention to discussion), but the fact that Six believes he is not a Cylon is big minus points on his Cylon probablity scale, enough, I would say, to lower him to less than moderate. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:49, 10 February 2007 (CST)
:::His scaling as highly probable probably has a lot to do with his fishiness (having an internal [[Number Six|Six]], being the anointed one in the search for the [[final five]], etc.) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:00, 11 February 2007 (CST)

:Btw, I prefer the term "cylonicity" ;) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:06, 11 February 2007 (CST)

== The Original Programmer ==

What if Baltar is a Cylon now but at one point existed in human form? I imagine he could have been the original programmer that created the humanoid Cylons. His extraordinary intelligence and personality certainly do not speak against it. Genius and insanity are degrees apart.

The personalities of the twelve humanoid Cylons have to come from somewhere. Perhaps they were copies or amalgamates of humans? Or perhaps Baltar simply infused the first with a copy of his own personality?

If your creator died, would you not want to revive him? Especially considering their religious inclination. If he did create them and died to "liberate" them from the humans, sacrificing all, he would be something of a religious icon comparable to Jesus Christ. And the Cylons would indeed be his children - and he their father.

Why does he not know that he is a Cylon then? Who knows how much the Cylons can "read" from the revived Cylon personality anyway? Perhaps they chose to revive him with edited memories? Why not do this for every Cylon? He could be the exception. Perhaps it is a laborious process or involves imperfect methods? Baltar certainly suffers from some mental problems. Or maybe they simply choose not to edit their reality because it would be incompatible with their religion to not experience, suffer and remember? If you could live forever and edit out all the bad moments - would it not become a bland life?--[[User:Andrewh1112|Andrewh1112]] 01:43, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
:I thought that the creators have already said that the Cylons are not copies of humans past or present? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:46, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
:According to Ron Moore, [[Humanoid Cylons#Notes|there are no "human" versions of Cylons, since the Cylons are unique personalities.]] --- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 07:51, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
::Both of your comments could be answered with the word amalagamate. And there's always the possibility of the one exception for a creator (Baltar).--[[User:Andrewh1112|Andrewh1112]] 20:23, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

== Thoughts post ==

Some thoughts for the powers that be.

In the Baltar/Christ section, we might need to ad in the parallels of Baltar's wounds in "The Hub" and the abdominal wound delivered to Christ by Saint Longinus. Also, while he's bleeding out he strikes a crucificix pose with arms outstretched.

And from Razor:

"And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering."

As of the Hub, Baltar has admitted his guilt to Roslin ;) Just one possibly and probably too obvious interpretation.

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