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This noticeboard is a location to discuss and coordinate administrative tasks for the Battlestar Wiki.

It is our hope that this place can serve as a location for administrators to coordinate their efforts on the maintenance tasks of the Wiki (it's not ALL fun and games), as well as a spot for our contributors to be able to bring things to the attention of the admins if something needs to be done. Need a protected page edited? An article or picture deleted? Admins will watchlist this page so that your request won't get lost in the shuffle.

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== Current Administrators ==

===Senior Chiefs===
Senior chiefs are, in Wikipedia's terminology, bureaucrats who have the ability to make other users into chiefs. They also have the ability to check user and other advance functions not under the purview of the chiefs.
Currently senior chiefs are:
*[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]]
*[[User:Shane|Shane]]
*[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]
*[[User:NCommander|NCommander]] (Technical Issues Only)

===Chiefs===
Chiefs are administrators who have access to move, delete and restore pages as well as blocking malicious users. The current chiefs are:
* Active
**[[User:Gougef|Gougef]]
**[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] (PR Coordinator)
**[[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] (Primary Wiki Frakr! Contact)
* Inactive
**[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]
**[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
**[[User:Day|Day]]
**[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]]
**[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]]
**[[User:Serenity|Serenity]]
**[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]]
**[[User:Talos|Talos]]
See [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators|list of all chiefs on Battlestar Wiki]]

== Javascript Reported Vandals ==

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== Podcasts ==

To Steelviper:

Please continue the podcasts... Or else... ...how can we keep nerd talking about the series without knowing what's on Mr. Moore's evel mind? It's frakking difficult to understand Mr Moore's speech when english is not your native language. C'mon! Let the rest of the planet taste a little bit of that great series!

PS: Excelent work on episode 406 - Escape Velocity! Gonna start 407 this week! {{unsigned|Gnielsen}}

== Cubit Related Images ==

I have tried from 4 different computers at 4 different locations to view the "Related Images" section towards the bottom of the page. Each time a 100 cubit note pops up for about 5 seconds and then it vanishes. After that I am unable to see any of the pics in this section. Why? Is there some special kind of trick I need to use? Please help?

: I'll look into this. On the "to-do" list. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
::Might be the flash thing we tried. Hasn't really been refinsed like Joe said. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 07:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

== Change the site over... ==

Hey Joe, sorry if im being an annoyance, but I am concerned about the Battlestar Pegasus site:

"Mercer, the site is now up. However, I do have plans to change the website over, since it never really lifted off as well as I'd hoped. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 18:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC) "

I was wondering what you meant by this. I know I am one of the few users who uses it, but I have put alot of time and energy into the articles, ship files, character files, corporation files, and soon some technology files, AND my fanfiction as well. I would hate to see this go, and I am just wondering what your position on this is, and I just want to touch base with you on this.

Thanks,

Mercer

--[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 23:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

: I've yet to finalize my plans / roadmap for the website, however none of the existing content will be adversely affected. So the content is safe, and there will always be a wiki component to it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I understand now. I thought by "change the website over" you meant take it down or something, but it seems you mean to change aspects of it. If it does so happen that you wish to remove it, PLEASE contact me and let me know at drew.shoemaker@gmail.com

Again, thanks for all of your responses and clarification on this matter...

Mercer
--[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 02:21, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== I might have screwed up ==

I think I might have screwed up.

I've just posted this new page after I failed to find anything specific to this officer by searching by his call sign:
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/%22Shooter%22

However, after some thought I looked again and but asked for his specific task instead. Then I found this:
http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Unnamed_Galactica_and_Pegasus_crew_%28RDM%29#Launch_Officer

What should I do?

thanks
Jeff

: Don't worry much about it. I changed your article to redirect to the Launch Officer listing in the unnamed crew article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
: Ditto. Would have done the same thing. No worries no. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 04:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
: Ok, thanks! [[User:Jeffrabb|Jeffrabb]]

== Battlestar Pegasus Site Down...Again ==

Hello again, I have noticed the Battlestar Pegasus site is down again, I was just wondering why. Any info is appreciated.

Thanks.

--[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 22:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

== can someone please add YR42 to the Numerology page entry for "42"? ==

since it has been established that "last year" on Caprica was YR41 (timestamp on interview with the bomber kid) and that "this year" is YR42 (masthead on newspaper), can someone please add this to the entry for "42" on the numerology page?

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Numerology#42

thanks!

here's something i just posted on my FB:

and hey, look what i found for 42! http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Numerology#42 - i knew the reference to Douglas Adams' works (42 is, of course, the meaning of life, the universe, and everything - and it just so happens that 42 in decimal is 101010 in binary - HUH!!! lol!).

[[User:Jlwn111|Jlwn111]]

[please note, i have a life-long connection to the number 111 and i just can't help but notice it jumping out at me in the binary representation of "life, the universe, and everything" - LOL!]

: Just to let you know, you are more than welcome to make the change yourself. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] in doing so. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:50, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== Season 4.0 limited release ==

Can someone help me with this?

It's been so long since I bought my dvds, and unfortunately lost track of where I was in the show.
I am re watching it now, only to realize I purchased some kind of tin case for season 4.0.
I have not been able to find any information about this anywhere on the internet - even on the list of dvd/blu-ray releases on this wiki site. Can someone tell me what I bought? I can upload a pic if need be.

nether_mage@hotmail.com

(sorry if there was a more appropriate place. I didn't know where else to post this.)

: Feel free to sign up for the [http://www.battlestarforum.com Battlestar Forum] and post more on this there. Definitely interested in seeing what you bought. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:49, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

== I ask again ==

I think my last question several months ago was overlooked. I would like to know what is to become of the Battlestar Pegasus site. I have put weeks of my time into writing a fan fiction on that website, not including all of the ship files, corporation files and other pages I have created. I hope this site does not have to go for good, but if it does, at least allow me to retrieve my works from it.

Replies are appreciated. Thanks.

--[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 13:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

: I'd need to speak to Shane, who backed up all the files and database for the website when we relocated servers. It's not been a priority to put up the website for us, because of the things that have happened these past few months. (Shane's working on a corporate project, and I'm juggling several endeavors myself—all of which pay our bills.) I apologize for not getting back to you sooner, and I understand that you spent time working on everything... but there have been more pressing matters, such as the upkeep of the Wiki, which takes precedence over BSP, as the Wiki ''is'' our flagship site. We'll let you know when things are back up. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I am glad to hear it was backed up and I understand about the upkeep of the normal wiki, I just wanted to hear what was planned and make sure my work was safe at least.

Thanks for the feedback and I wish you luck. :)

--[[User:Mercer|Mercer]] 00:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

== Songs, music, so forth [...] from Bear's Blog ==

Should we upload any of the mp3's listed along [[Bear McCreary]]'s [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/ blog] and/or create articles on any of the songs, i.e. "[http://captainahab.bandcamp.com/track/was-love Was Love]" in the ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' episode "[[Gravedancing]]"?
On a somewhat related (or unrelated) note, I'm surprised there isn't an article listed for the song sung by the [[Tucana singers]] from "[[Saga of a Star World]]".--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 21:50, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
: I don't know if we could get away with uploading the MP3s from Bear's blog, although I have no problem with the creation of articles on any of the songs. Should the songs not warrant individual articles, we can always put them under the Arts and Literature of the Colonies or whatever article is appropriate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:04, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

== Wiki Frakr in rough shape ==

Hi Joe, all, just wanted to make you aware that I'm getting a lot of "access denied" type errors on [[frakr:Main Page|Wiki Frakr]] when I attempt to view various articles ([[frakr:Tracey Anne|Tracey Anne]] as an example).

<pre>
(Cannot contact the database server: Access denied for user 'db85238_mw'@'%' to database 'db85238_bsgwiki_media_mw' (internal-db.s85238.gridserver.com))
</pre>

Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 16:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

: Yeah, Shane and I need to get in there and find some way to change the database, since Wiki Frakr and the Battlestar Wiki are now on two separate servers. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi--I clicked on the WikiFrakr link from the "New Caprica Detention Center" page and got sent to a malware site--one of those "your computer is infected with a virus, click here to download our bogus anti-virus" things. I removed that particular link, but wanted to let you know in case you'd want to/be able to remove those links systematically. --[[User:GreenTom|GreenTom]] 22:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

: Thanks for the head's up. Wasn't aware of that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

== Miniseries Night 1 ==

"The Cylons were created by the people of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol as a labor and military force.
Approximately 52 years prior, the Cylons turned on their human creators and the Cylon War ensued."

Prior means before right? they couldnt turn on their creators 52 before they were created.
:Probably could be better worded, the 52 years prior line is prior to the "Zero hour" that the Minseries is set in (at least, that's how I interperated it). --[[User:Typhoeus|Typhoeus]] 22:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Printing ==

First of all, thank you so much for this great wiki.

My question is, would it be possible to include a printing script into the codes for a better printing solution?

Some pages have a chaotic design when printed. {{unsigned|Ergasto}}

: Hi Ergasto! Thank you for the praise, as well as your question! To answer that question, we will be rolling out a better printer script into the wiki, so that it better formats the pages. That might take a week or so, depending on my work schedule and commitments, however. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Memory Alpha links ==

It seems like all of the links have stopped work or at least for right now. Example: [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek Star Trek].--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 00:19, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
: Fixed. The changed their link structure, apparently it coincides with their recent visual change. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:42, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Template:Episode Date's Nielsen rating and Caprica episodes ==

I recently wrote this [[List of Nielsen ratings (CAP)]] but the ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' episodes' Nielsen rating links to [[List of Nielsen ratings (TRS)]]. Should we merge the two or what?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 07:37, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
: No. We will need to update how the infobox works. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== broken link ==

I just wanted to inform that the link to battlestarpegasus.com is broken, therefore [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki:FAQ/Content this] page should be updated.
Thanks for this website,
Simone

: Thanks Simone! We're going to take down the Pegasus website links, but I've been too busy to actually do anything other than work and try to have some semblance of a social life. Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

== Idea: Battlestar Wiki's [[w:Wikipedia:Facebook directory|Facebook directory]]? ==

Copying an idea from Wikipedia, anyone for having a "Facebook" directory like this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Facebook_directory Wikipedia:Facebook directory]? It could encourage users whose pages are simply marked "userpage" to personalize them. Then again, we already have a Facebook presence so this could just be needlessly redundant. Thoughts?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

: I just see this being more of a chore for us, and distracting us from the stuff we need to be doing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:18, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

== War Of The Gods Part II - the cloven hoof and the novelization ==

Hi Folks, I was looking up the war of the gods part 2 info and i saw the info about the cloven hoof being seen by Apollo and Starbuck when they look into the crashed ship. I was always mad that we never got to see it on the show or in a deleted scene but this past summer i found the novelization of War of the Gods at a flea market and it made mention that the body that Apollo and Starbuck saw had a prehensile tail and legs that ended in cloven hooves.
Just thought I would pass it along.

Mike Furlo
The Big Frak

== War Of The Gods Part II - the cloven hoof and the novelization ==

Hi Folks, I was looking up the war of the gods part 2 info and i saw the info about the cloven hoof being seen by Apollo and Starbuck when they look into the crashed ship. I was always mad that we never got to see it on the show or in a deleted scene but this past summer i found the novelization of War of the Gods at a flea market and it made mention that the body that Apollo and Starbuck saw had a prehensile tail and legs that ended in cloven hooves.
Just thought I would pass it along.

Mike Furlo
The Big Frak

In a listing of Battlestars in the old series that were present at the "peace" conference, the Acropolis needs to be deleted and the Solaria put in its place. The Battlestars present were: Galactica, Atlantia, Columbia, Pacifica and Solaria. The Battlestar Solaria was the last Battlestar destroyed at the peace conference. It is refrenced in both the book and the pilot. I tried to update the list of Battlestars, but was unable to do so.

== Theatrical Movie ==

Back in 2009 it was reported that Bryan Singer was working on a theatrical movie, apparently based on his revival script from like a decade ago. I haven't heard any information since then, but as of June 2011 both Wiki and IMDb list it as a going concern. I was a little surprised you guys don't have a category for that, and I could't find any information in a search. Does anyone here know anything about this? Is it *really* still a going concern? {{unsigned|Republibot 3.0}}

: Rumors of a BSG movie are really nothing more than a bunch of people blowing hot air. I have it on very good authority that the movie will never happen, as frankly Glen Larson is viewed in a negative light and, therefore, no one wants to deal with him. (Glen Larson is the only one with the movie rights, and so would have more involvement in — and full creative control of — any movie production.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:18, 4 June 2011 (EDT)

== Any plans for SSL ==

I find it bothering to login to this wiki from public hotspots and university campuses without SSL. Any plans for implementing SSL at least for logins. I know that it involves purchasing certificates and all (by the way I think some vendors are giving certificates for free.), but security a must in these times. And I don't see any means of reclaiming ones account, once its compromised. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 03:14, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

: It's never been a priority to enable SSL since, really, there isn't vital information being transmitted to or from this wiki. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:21, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

:: I am specifically talking about authentication, passwords are being sent in plain text. Isn't that vital. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 10:08, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

::: What about just using a self signed certificate. True that it will show up a warning for everyone, but whoever really needs SSL can ignore the warning and continue. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 05:23, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

== Lots of spamming activity. ==

Looking at recent changes its clearly visible that there has been a lot of specifically targeted spamming attack on this wiki. And due to that, the recent changes page is flooded with all the spam posts and then the blocks. It actually becomes difficult to see the changes of articles going on. Are there any particular attempts to stop this. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 05:33, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

:Since anons are not allowed to edit pages, spammers are forced to create accounts to do their bidding. (Have you noticed the kind of usernames being created, they usually are names from common word lists and 2 to 4 digits of numbers appended, this probably means that this is not done manually, but is scripted. And this makes me believe that ReCapcha is broken.) I have also noticed that the chiefs here are pretty quick in blocking these spamming accounts, but isn't it a better idea to also block the IP from which the account was created, so they just wont continue with creating more accounts. The new users log is just filled with all these kinds of accounts. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 05:39, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

:: This is nothing new. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as banning the IP addresses — those are banned as well, in addition to usernames of the spammers — since they simply use another computer at another IP address. Also, many of the successful spammers are apparently actual users (i.e. human beings and not bots), and thus they circumvent the captchas by actually solving them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:24, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

:::Well, you may be speaking based on your observation of the Check IP logs. But don't you think something needs to be done about this. This has been going on for years. And it looks like a targeted attack specifically at this wiki. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 05:22, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

:::: Sad thing is that there is very little you can do about it. Fact of the matter is that this happens to all the major wikis. Wikipedia has always had this problem, same with Memory-Alpha, et al. There's actualy very little we can do to inhibit the activity — that is to say, without making it extremely difficult for new, actual users to lend their hand in contributing to the Wiki. Believe me when I say that we've talked about this internally for years, and really the only way to "stop" the manual spammers is to become draconian and extremely restrictive — which would harm ourselves in the long run, by losing people who would contribute. So, as long as we're on top of spammers, we're good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:04, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

== Props Wiki. ==

Whats the purpose of the props wiki. Why a separate wiki for props?, cant the English language wiki have these articles? CylonU87 06:54, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

: There would be too many articles, frankly. It's part of the plan to document how the props were created, costumes were made, etc. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:11, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

:: Hmm. Looking at the number of articles in at the moment, there are only 142 pages in the article namespace. Then looking at the recent changes for the past 2 years, all I see is just spam. And the last decent edit was on August 9th, 2010. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 10:20, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

::: Just tagged 14 spam articles for deletion on the props wiki. They are in the [[:Props:Category:Candidates for deletion]] page. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 10:41, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

::: Yep, that project sort of stalled out. It's my intent to dig into that in the next couple of months to bring it up to snuff. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:44, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

::::While you are at zapping spammers accounts, these are 16 accounts waiting for you on the props wiki. And 15 spam articles are also tagged for deletion there. See. [[:Props:Category:Candidates for deletion]]. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 10:40, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Status of battlestarpegasus.com ==

The sister fanon wiki BS Pegasus has been offline for quite some time. Any updates on whats happening or going to happen to it. I hope its safely backed up somewhere. Looking at the internet archives, I see that there were around 700 to 800 articles there. [[User:CylonU87|CylonU87]] 04:13, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
: Battlestarpegasus has been out since the database transfert to a new provider one year and half ago. As I heard since, it seems to be definitely out unless...--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] 05:45, 14 August 2011 (EDT)

== Typo on "Faith" episode's protected page ==

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Faith#Official_Statements

The sentence "I though it was a great show" should be "I thought it was a great show" = change "though" to "thought"

Is this the correct place to submit such errors? If not, where?

Thanks for helping a new user!

[[User:Tented|Tented]] 09:56, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

:Faith shouldn't be protected any more, but you did come to the right place to post corrections!

:Also, I see that you made the change! Awesome! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:09, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

 Thank you, Joe!

Yes, I figured out how to make the change after posting this.

[[User:Tented|Tented]] 10:17, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Faith

2011-08-18T14:06:23Z

Tented: /* Official Statements */

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== Overview ==

:''The cancer-stricken President [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] and hotheaded pilot [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] both must make difficult leaps of faith in order to accept an uneasy alliance with the Cylons.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

*Angry and defiant at [[Karl Agathon|Karl Agathon]]'s refusal to [[The Road Less Traveled|obey orders]] to travel to a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], [[Kara Thrace|Kara Thrace]] attempts to jump the ship herself when [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] restrains her.
*Agathon orders [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to jump the ship back to ''Galactica''. [[Samuel Anders|Samuel Anders]] points out that they will be returning as mutineers, but Agathon responds that Admiral Adama will sort things out.
*Anders intervenes with a sidearm, shooting Gaeta in the leg to stop him from following Agathon's order to jump back to the Fleet. Chaos ensues as Marines arrive.
*Everyone stands down as Gaeta is attended to, in severe pain from a leg wound.
*Realizing that taking the ''[[Demetrius|Demetrius]]'' itself to the baseship would be too great a risk, Thrace rescinds her original order, suggesting to fly their only [[Raptor|Raptor]] to the baseship with Athena and Anders as crew, taking [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben Conoy]] with them. Agathon initially objects but realizes it's the best compromise. He tells her that she has only 15 hours to complete her mission before the ''Demetrius'' must jump to rendezvous with the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] or be left behind.

=== Act 1 ===

*[[Tory Foster|Tory Foster]] is packing things up on ''[[Colonial One|Colonial One]]''. [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] is at her desk, bald and not wearing her wig. She tells Foster to keep things going as she finishes the last two [[Doloxan]] treatments, where she'll be on ''[[Galactica|Galactica]]'' and indisposed during that time. Roslin tries to encourage Foster to watch out for sudden moves by the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]].
*On day 58 of their mission, the crew prepares the Raptor. Athena promises to work with Thrace as does [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]], who appreciates Thrace's strong reputation.
*The Raptor jumps and finds a massive graveyard of dead baseships and [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] floating dead in space. Thrace is amazed. They are by a large gas giant in a trinary star system, just as her visions suggested.
*On the ''Demetrius'', Gaeta is heavily medicated with [[Morpha|morpha]] for the pain. He asks Agathon not to have Dr. [[Cottle|Cottle]] amputate his leg, as he realizes that the longer he doesn't get advanced care, the more likely [[:w:gangrene|gangrene]] will set in.
*The Raptor carefully searches for the baseship amidst the exploding ordnance. Thrace can hear "music" (Leoben confirms this is a rare trait among some Cylons as well) and takes control to fly the Raptor towards the gas giant. She sees the comet she expected, but not in the form; Leoben's stricken baseship is flying past, trailing gas that gives it a comet-like appearance.
*When approaching the baseship, the Raptor is hit by a piece of debris hurtled at them from an explosion and impacting the cockpit canopy.

=== Act 2 ===

[[Image:408 showdown.jpg|thumb|Natalie attempts to defuse the situation...]]

*Thrace awakens to find the Raptor safely landed within the baseship interior.

*Athena arrives to find herself surrounded by an army of other [[Number Eight|Number Eights]], who recognize her independence from all things Cylon. They ask her to help mutiny against the [[Number Six|Sixes]], whom they feel have been making a series of mistakes. Athena rejects them, telling them to find their own individuality and help her or get out of her way.
*In sickbay, amidst [[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]]'s voice on [[Wireless|wireless]] discussing his [[God (RDM)|God]], Roslin encounters a woman in [[Sickbay|sickbay]], [[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]], who is gravely ill with cancer as well. When Roslin tries to turn off the wireless and Baltar, the woman becomes very upset and yells for Roslin to leave.
*Thrace's meeting with the surviving leaders of the baseship does not go well, but Leoben succeeds in convincing [[Natalie|Natalie]] that they must work together.
*Athena accesses the [[Datastream|datastream]] to determine how to mate the Raptor's jump drive to the baseship. Doing so requires disconnecting the Hybrid. As the group preps, Anders slowly reaches down to touch the [[Data-font|data-font]] but pulls his hand back when Thrace calls his name.
*A Six sees [[Jean Barolay|Jean Barolay]] and recognizes her as the human who killed her on [[New Caprica|New Caprica]]. When Barolay doesn't show any remorse and says she would do the same again, the Six attacks her and smashes her head into the Raptor's hull, which kills Barolay. Anders pounces on the Six and is ready to kill the Cylon when Thrace manages to talk him down.
*The Six that killed Barolay speaks to Natalie, obviously dealing with psychological trauma from the death on New Caprica that she had not been able to shake. After kissing the distraught Six, Natalie grabs Anders's hand and pulls the trigger on his gun, killing the Six permanently as there is no [[Resurrection Ship|Resurrection Ship]] nearby, carrying out a form of justice for the Colonials, who are shocked.
*Roslin meets again with Emily Kowalski, who gives her a scarf, a present. The two make small talk of what they will do after they get well. She warns Roslin that her sickness will get worse and to be prepared.

=== Act 3 ===

*Thrace arrives in the Hybrid's chamber, who seems to ignore her, discussing ship functions but repeating one phrase in particular.[[Image:408 unplugging the hybrid.jpg|thumb|Agathon unplugs the Hybrid after it delivers its prophecy to Thrace.]]

*In sickbay, Emily Kowalski tells Roslin why she listens to Baltar. After speaking to Cottle, she tells of a dream where she saw people standing on the opposite side of a river: dead loved ones. She felt a presence, a warm loving presence that calmed her. Roslin questions the dream but Emily notes that the dream is real.

*Thrace and Natalie continue to listen to the [[Hybrid utterances|Hybrid's utterances]]. Leoben instructs Thrace to listen carefully, not to hurry the construct.

*Athena is ready to activate the jump augmentations and disconnect the Hybrid. Irritated at getting nowhere with the Hybrid, Thrace orders the jump.
*When it is unplugged, the Hybrid makes an inhuman scream, which causes a guarding [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurion]] (still in [[Telencephalic inhibitor|sentient mode]]) to fire in defense, severely wounding an Eight before the group manages to take the Centurion down.

*The Hybrid gives Thrace a coherent message as the Eight's blood mixes with the fluid in her tank: The dying leader will discover the truth about the [[Opera House|Opera House]], the missing Three will be used to find the Five, who come from the home of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]], and that she, Thrace, is the harbinger of death that will take all to their end. Thrace is horrified at the message. The Hybrid then deactivates.

*Kowalski and Roslin continue to discuss the authenticity of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] and Baltar's God. Roslin becomes upset when she talks of her mother's death from cancer and the striking lack of anything noble or calming at that moment. As Kowalski tries to comfort her, the woman suddenly has a violent seizure of pain. Cottle arrives with medication, but tells Roslin that there's not much they can do for Kowalski now.

=== Act 4 ===

*As the group waits, the dying Eight speaks to Athena, who reaches out for her, but hesitates when she wants to touch her hand. Anders steps in to tenderly comfort the Cylon as she dies, astonished at how similar she is to a human.

*The group deciphers the Hybrid's message. All come to the conclusion that the final five Cylons came from the Thirteenth Tribe and so must also know the way to Earth. The boxed [[Number Three|Number Threes]] will lead them to the Final Five. Anders is unnerved by the conversation, likely fearing the exposure of his Cylon identity. The group leave to meet the ''Demetrius'', with Anders leaving last, still puzzled that he is drawn to help the Eight.

*Kowalski's vision of a river comes to pass in a dream Roslin experiences. The two stand on a boat, looking at a shore where human figures begin to appear, smiling and waving at Kowalski. Kowalski disappears to meet them, materializing on the shore. Roslin feels joy, then sees her own mother, smiling and waiting for Roslin to join her. She tells her she is not yet ready, stepping away from the boat's side, as the dream ends.

*Awakening from her dream, Roslin goes to see Kowalski but finds her bed empty. She died some time while she slept. Only her wireless receiver remains, still switched on.

*''Demetrius'' is prepping to leave as seconds count down but Agathon lets the clock run over in hesitation and to the crew's apprehension. Seconds before he is about to order the jump, the baseship arrives and broadcasts Colonial ID. Wireless contact is established with Athena, who reports that the baseship has been secured, much to Agathon's relief, and both ships prepare to join ''Galactica'' and the fleet.

*On ''Galactica'', Roslin meets with [[William Adama|William Adama]] in his quarters. She tells him that something may be truthful in Baltar's words, but Adama is reluctant. A sorrowful Adama talks of Thrace's death and return, [[Lee Adama|his son's]] [[Crossroads, Part I|resignation from the military]], and laments all the crew he sent with Thrace, wondering if he will see them again. But Roslin comforts him. The two smile as Adama tells her that Roslin helped him to believe that they really will find Earth.

== Notes ==

[[Image:Roslin's mother.jpg|thumb|Roslin's mother.]]

*Baltar's wireless broadcast contains a number of phrases from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy of [[:w:Hamlet|Hamlet]], including "shuffle off this mortal coil," and "the undiscover'd country, from whose bourn no traveler returns." These phrases refer to death and the afterlife, respectively. The full text of the soliloquy can be found [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Tragedy_of_Hamlet%2C_Prince_of_Denmark/Act_3 here].
*Meanwhile, the Hybrid's repeated speech borrows text from the Biblical book of Jeremiah, chapter 31, verses 13 to 17.
*The comet/drifting baseship bears a visual resemblance to the [[Ship of Lights|Ship of Lights]] from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], both in the painting and reality.
*This episode marks the third time Laura Roslin discusses her family in any detail, and the first time viewers see an image of [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]. (The first mention, also involving her mother's fight with cancer, was in "[[Act of Contrition|Act of Contrition]]" in Season 1.)

== Analysis ==

=== General ===

*Some of the writers' misdirection from "[[He That Believeth in Me|He That Believeth in Me]]" becomes clear. The "giant gas planet with rings," assumed to be [[:w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] or [[:w:Saturn|Saturn]], is revealed to be at the site of the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon battle]]. Moreover, the comet is a damaged and drifting basestar. This also explains how Conoy was able to help Thrace paint the scene in the previous episode, since he had already witnessed it himself.
*A close-up of Kara Thrace in the Hybrid's chamber evokes the [[Eye of Jupiter|Eye of Jupiter]], with Thrace's blue eye at the center, ringed by her bloodied eyebrow and blonde hair.
* The light pattern as the raptor jumps to the basestar also resembles the mandala.
*With its inhibitor removed, the Centurion in the Hybrid's chamber seems visibly more aware of its environment. It turns its head to gaze at each member of the group as they enter, and again at Thrace as she questions the Hybrid. This contrasts with what was seen previously, when Centurions on guard duty simply stand immobile unless they perceive a threat, or are given a direct order.
*[[Jean Barolay|Barolay]]'s sudden death after the Six attacks her indicates that the Six's blows and delivered concussions caused internal bleeding into Barolay's brain.
*The importance of physical touching in Cylon culture is exhibited in this episode, especially how Cylons interact among their own specific models. For example, before Natalie executes the Six who murdered Barolay, they kiss each other. When the Eight who was shot by the Centurion is dying, she asks for Athena's forgiveness in her attempt to lead a mutiny, and stretches out her hand to touch Athena's. However, Athena refuses, and Anders steps in to provide that sense of touch before she dies. This interaction amongst the models within their own model number may be a reflection of being "with each other," especially in times of certain death. Something like this was seen earlier in "[[A Measure of Salvation|A Measure of Salvation]]", where the dying Cylons aboard the stricken basestar link hands in prayer.
*Jean Barolay dies without ever learning that her longtime associate Sam Anders is a Cylon.

=== Religion ===

*Even though Baltar is preaching for the "one true [[God (RDM)|God]]," the symbolism of a boat crossing a river to the land of the dead is very similar to the Greek legends involving the [[:w:Styx|River Styx]]. It can be expected that Baltar borrows some of his teachings from an established religion that people are familiar with. This in part parallels the rise of Christianity, which expressed some of its ideas through the existing cultural forms of the established Roman polytheistic religions.
*Emily Kowalski's description of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]] and their behavior is quite consistent with that of Greek mythology.
*When speaking of her mother's death, Laura Roslin mentions the [[:w:Elysium|Fields of Elysium]], a portion of the Greek underworld where heroic or virtuous souls end up after death that bears a resemblance to heaven in Christianity. It appears that the Colonials view of the afterlife is almost identical to that of the ancient Greeks.
*Roslin believes that the Lords of Kobol are not to be taken seriously but are metaphors. Roslin's mother took them more literally. This mirrors real life in which some people take the Jewish [[:w:Torah|Torah]] ([[:w:Old_Testament|Old Testament]]), the Christian Bible ([[:w:New_Testament|New Testament]]) and the Islamic [[:w:Koran|Koran]] as literal word for word truth and an accurate record of events, while others believe the stories are metaphors to be used as guidelines in life, but not hard pronouncements or actual history.
*The [[Hybrid utterances|hybrid utterance]] "All these things at once and many more, not because it wishes harm, because it likes violent vibrations to change constantly." appears to be a paraphrase of a line from the [[:w:Theosophy|theosophical]] text "[[:w:At_the_Feet_of_the_Master|At the Feet of the Master]]"

=== Characters ===

*The Eights' attempt to recruit Athena to lead a mutiny against the Sixes and presumably the Twos reveal an apparent character flaw that is prevalent amongst this particular model. Their allegiances and loyalty to a cause are not as strong as their fellow Cylon models, should those ties and beliefs cause suffering or death.
**This is also a somewhat ironic twist, as Athena and others aboard the ''Demetrius'' were encouraging Karl Agathon to initiate their own mutiny against Thrace just hours earlier. However, Athena is likely referring to her allegiance to the Colonials as a whole, which has not diminished.
*While the Sixes and the Twos are willing to initiate the search for the Final Five because of their specific strong religious beliefs, the Eights apparently join them not because of a desire in unraveling the mystery, so much as because it grants them the opportunity to say "no" to their programming.
*Though the word "faith" is never explicitly spoken throughout the episode, multiple allusions to the idea of trust are provided through the characters' interactions with each other. This is especially evident in the multiple times the phrase "...with you" appears in the dialog. When the Eight that is shot by the Centurion is dying, Anders holds her arm and tells her that he is with her. When Roslin and Adama speak with each other, Roslin tells Adama, after he pours out his feelings of uncertainty and doubt, that she is with him.
*Athena also shows deep conflict within herself in this episode in regards to her nature as a Cylon as seen in multiple scenes. Conoy's words to her about how their trip is a "homecoming" for Athena causes an immediate response. Later, when the Eights touch her and attempt to recruit her, she expresses disgust with them, but possibly including herself. Her declaration of choosing a side and sticking to it may be something she needs to hear more than they do. When Anders takes out his gun to execute the Six, it is Athena who also takes out her gun to defend the "human" and refers to herself as a human. Finally, her refusal to hold the dying Eight's hand shows a reluctance of being seen as a Cylon and that she is not with them.

== Questions ==

*Are the Centurions capable of getting an IFF signal from a humanoid Cylon, like a Raider does? Could one have exposed Anders if he had made direct eye contact?
*What does the Hybrid's statement that the five come from the home of the thirteenth mean? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|Answer]])
**Were they made on Earth, the home of the thirteenth tribe? Or did they voyage to Earth from Cylon/Colonial space and then return? ([[No Exit|Answer]])
**Does "the thirteenth" refer to "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]" mentioned in "[[The Eye of Jupiter|The Eye of Jupiter]]", to whom the [[Temple of Five|Temple of Five]] was dedicated?
*Will Thrace tell anyone about the Hybrid calling her "the harbinger of death"? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion|Answer]]) Does anyone else hear the Hybrid's words to her?
*Will Helo and the others have to answer for their mutiny?
*How will Gaeta's injury affect his duties? Will his leg be amputated? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*What would have happened if Anders had put his hand in the [[Data-font|data-font]]? ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars#Analysis|Answer]])
*Why should the Cylons have any trouble figuring out the Raptor's FTL system? They have previously used Raptors ([[Torn|Torn]]).
*Why are the Raiders' FTL systems unsuitable?
*How will the Fleet respond when the ''Demetrius'' returns with the shipwrecked basestar in tow? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Without Natalie's help, would Anders have been able to pull the trigger to execute the Six?
*Does the revelation that the Final Five are from Earth and can lead the fleet to it encourage the hidden Four to reveal themselves? ([[Revelations|Possible Answer]])
*How will the Cylon rebels unbox the Threes? ([[The Hub|Answer]])
*Is Natalie's baseship the last place where there are Sixs, Twos, and Eights?
*Why did the Cavils' forces leave one baseship largely intact? ([[Talk:Battle_of_the_Trinary_Star_System#Rebel_Basestar|Possible Answer]])
*Will Barolay's death, despite the execution of the Six, affect the truce amongst the Colonials once they discover that two from the ''Demetrius'' mission are dead?
*Is Conoy the only Two left amongst the Cylon rebels? ([[Guess What's Coming to Dinner?|Answer]])
*Why is Athena chosen to speak to the ''Demetrius'', given that another Eight could easily impersonate her?
*Are the baseship's crew all that remain of the Cylon rebels, or are there other survivors elsewhere?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Nana Visitor]] discusses her experiences while filming this episode:'''
: It was real acting, like I hadn't done for a while, and [it had] real writing. I loved it. I was very impressed all the way around. I thought it was a great show. [...] I was on the set for maybe four or five days, or something like that, and it was a real rough set. You felt the world of ''Battlestar Galactica'' being very rough, and every set was dark, and it was tough. It was a whole different atmosphere.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.syfyportal.com/news425244.html|title=SyFy Portal: Nana Visitor Says 'Battlestar Galactica' World Rough|date=23 July 2008|accessdate=23 July 2008|last=Hinman|first=Michael|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''An [[Eight|Eight]] discussing mutiny with [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon Agathon]]:''

:'''Sharon Agathon:''' You guys make me sick.
:'''Eight:''' Why?
:'''Agathon:''' Because you pick your side and you stick. You don't cut and run when things get ugly. Otherwise you'll never have anything. No love. No family. No life to call your own.

*''[[Emily Kowalski|Emily Kowalski]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura Roslin]] discuss the [[Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]]:''

:'''Emily Kowalski:''' Oh, Laura. And the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Lords of Kobol]] are real? Reigning from a metaphysical mountaintop in those silly outfits? [[Zeus|Zeus]]? Handing out fates out of an urn like they were lottery tickets? 'You're gonna work on a [[Tylium|tylium]] ship. You're gonna be an admiral. Your family's gonna be evaporated in [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|an attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]] but you'll survive for three more years on a moldy compartment on a freighter 'til your body starts to eat itself up alive.' Those are the gods that you worship? Capricious, vindictive...
:'''Laura Roslin:''' But they're not meant to be taken literally. They're metaphors, Emily.
:'''Kowalski:''' I don't need metaphors. I need answers.

*''Laura Roslin on her mother's death:''

:"You're like my mother. She wasn't satisfied with metaphors either. She was convinced that [[Aphrodite]] herself was gonna swoop her away when she died. And she believed it even when the [[Doloxan]] and the radiation failed to stop her cancer. She was a teacher! She was... oh, she was something to behold. And the head of a classroom. And her students (starts crying) Her students loved her. They'd walk through fire for her and then they see this woman who seemed so eternal. She withered away and I find myself having to change her diaper because she couldn't even— At the moment she died there was no gleaming fields of Elysium stretched out before her. There was this dark, black abyss. And she was terrified. She was so scared."

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]
*[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
*[[Nana Visitor]] as [[Emily Kowalski]]
*[[Alana Husband]] as Nurse [[Sashon]]
*[[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[Tattooed pilot|tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)
*Uncredited as [[Roslin's mother|Roslin's mother]]

== References ==
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== External Links ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary|Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=313]

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