A '''series bible''' is a guidebook written by the creator(s) of a TV show so that all writers will know the general outline of the show; it contains the backstories of the characters and outlines the in-series universe. Typically, it contains information that might not actually be revealed to the audience until later, but is known to the writers from the start, so they won't make any conflicting new stories. Additionally, writers of some film series use a similar bible.

== The Re-Imagined Series bible ==
The [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined Battlestar Galactica]] series bible was written by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron D. Moore]] after the [[Miniseries]] during a hiatus and was completed on 17 December 2003<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=41|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref> before production on the regular series began. It has not been released in its entirety, nor will it probably, as it still contains much information not yet revealed on screen. However, the series bible is not necessarily definitive, as sometimes the writing team may decide something different must be done in a script than was originally outlined. Still, so long as nothing new is made that conflicts with the bible, it contains the real back stories for the characters and basic plot outline for the future of the show.

For example, Moore has said in his Season 1 podcast that, according to the series bible, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] used to be a [[pyramid (RDM)|pyramid]] player, intending to play professionally, but sustained a knee injury and had to drop out and find a new direction for her life. Several episodes later, in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]" Starbuck states on screen that she used to play pyramid but a knee injury forced her to stop.

Moore often refers to information from the series bible in the podcasts (usually, things he wanted to put on screen but could not). Another example is Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]; Moore has stated that his series bible entry says, that he was a young petty officer not unlike Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] when his ship, the ''[[Brenik]]'', was boarded during the [[Cylon War]] and the fighting with [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] was some of the bloodiest of the war, devolving into hand to hand combat.

Later, Tigh was stationed on another ship which was also lost, and then he was dragooned into officer school to become a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot when Colonial numbers started running low. The series bible also fully describes his poor relationship with his wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]]. Originally, all the viewers would ever see of this relationship was that it (combined with Tigh's horrific war experience) had driven Tigh to alcoholism as seen in the beginning of the Miniseries, also when Tigh is burning her face out of a photo. Originally, this was supposed to be all viewers actually saw of Ellen Tigh. However, other writers read the full description of her in the series bible, and subsequently thought that she wouldd make a good character, and thus "resurrected" her in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]".

Moore previously indicated considering releasing the series bible, as "a lot of the background information on the characters is starting to come out in both Seasons One and Two, so there might come a point where I'd let the bible be put out there for public consumption."<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/03/index.html#a000023|title=RDM Blog|date=12 March 2005|accessdate=6 March 2007|last=Moore|first=Ronald D.|format=|language=}}</ref>

Several lines from the series bible are briefly shown during ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Lowdown (Season 1)|Battlestar Galactica: The Lowdown]]''. The images show that the series bible has sections on the Religion and the Culture and Society of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonials]]. The series bible itself was finally released to the public in March of 2009<ref>http://leethomson.myzen.co.uk/Battlestar_Galactica/</ref>.

==Life on the Cylon Baseship==
In the David Eick video blog "Life on the Cylon Baseship", a separate 'Cylon Bible' is mentioned that documents every aspect of the Cylons. Only few cast and crew members have been allowed to read it.

The following excerpts were shown on screen:

:Key to understanding how life works aboard the Cylon Baseship is recognizing and understanding the tensions within the communal nature of Cylon life. The Cylons, as artificial beings, have many of their own evolutionary choices, including the method and practice of their interactivity. Driven by their burgeoning belief in a divine being, they have constructed for themselves a method of interaction that is rooted in the human model, yet makes allowance for unique abilities of the machine. This combination of a biologically-based pattern of behaviour only partly improved by mechanistic technical advances have led, in some instances, to what seem like contradictions in their modes of living and behaviour.
:The communal nature of Cylon society is rooted in the fact that these are, fundamentally, machines capable of highly sophisticated exchanges of data. There is no technical reason why any given Cylon should not be immediately and continuously connected to every other Cylon aboard a Baseship as well as to the database of the ship itself. However, the Cylons have a choice, as a society, to forewear this ability in favor of more closely emulating the human form, presumably as a direct result of their homegrown theological belief that mankind was God's chosen form, based on His original image. Human failures to carry out the Almighty's wishes and plans notwithstanding, it is a tenet of Cylon belief that the human form came directly from Him, as did the initial human impulse to design the first generation of Cylons as bipedal beings which closely followed the human design.

:The Final Five
:These are the Cylons which are not present on the Baseship, and indeed have not been glimpsed or referred to in the series thus far. They are mysterious beings even to the Significant Seven, all of whom know there are five humanoid Cylons who choose to associate with the others and who seldom communicate directly with them. Very...

:Sharons: are uncertain of themselves and their place in the universe.

:Sixes: are powerful driven beings, constantly looking for ways to influence or determine events. They love human sensuality in all its forms and see their bodies as the highest temple in praise of God that has yet been constructed. They are also deeply manipulative and have a tendency toward physical and emotional cruelty that has its...

:There is no formalized hierarchy among the Cylons, either aboard the Baseship or in the Cylon nation at large. Decisions are made collectively, through the will of the...

:Leobens: see life outside the box of the material world. T...
:have found ways of calculating variables and data outside the...
:and other cylons to see beyond the here and now. They see f...

:Clothing being a purely aesthetic choice, there are times when we may wish to enter a room where total or partial nudity is on display without it being remarked on by any of the Cylons.

==Sky One Biographies==
The following are biographical information from [[Sky One]]'s website which was later removed. They were based on information from the show's series bible.

The first evidence of this was that [[Richard Adar|President Adar's]] first name is given as "Richard" in Laura Roslin's biography, obviously long before Adar's first name was mentioned on screen. Further background information confirmed by the show is detailed below each character.

===William Adama===
:''William Adama was born on the colony of Caprica, in a small coastal community.''

:''His mother Evelyn was an accountant and his father, Joseph, was an attorney who specialised in criminal defence and civil liberties.''

:''At the age of 16 his parents divorced and he applied to the Colonial Fleet Academy. That same year, the Cylon War broke out. Adama's training accelerated along with all other midshipmen.''

:''After 3 years Adama was commissioned to work as a flight pilot; he gained a further two years of training before Adama joined his first squadron. He was a gifted, natural pilot and he shot down a Cylon fighter in his first mission.''

:''After the war was over, Adama was mustered out of the service along with millions of other colonials as part of demobilization process. He went home to Caprica, married his high school sweetheart and started life over.''

:''Adama struggled to find work as a pilot and so signed up as a deck hand in the merchant fleet. This experience would later give him an uncommon insight into the lives and struggles of the enlisted ranks aboard Galactica.''

:''Adama later had two sons, Lee and Zak. But over the years his exploration aboard ships would see Adama spending less time with his sons. He always tried to instill duty and admiration for military services. But was still surprised to learn that both his sons decided to enter the Fleet and become pilots.''

:''When Zak died during a training flight. Lee confronted his father and laid blame for his younger brother's death.''

The description of [[William Adama]]'s mother as an accountant named Evelyn was later confirmed in the [[Season 3 (2006-07)|Season 3]] episode "[[Hero]]". His service in the Colonial Fleet also fits with the details established in [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] (shown in "Hero") and the [[Razor Flashbacks]].

===Laura Roslin===
According to Sky One, Roslin was born in [[Caprica City]]. Her father and two sisters were killed by a drunk driver and she came to the attention of Richard Adar after she earned a Teacher of the Year award.

Here is Sky One's summary of Roslin:

:''Laura Roslin was born in the bustling urban environment of Caprica City. Both her parents, Judith and Edward, were teachers in the public school system and her two older sisters also went into teaching.''

:''Tragically at the age of fifteen, both her sisters and her father were killed by a drunk driver. Her mother never recovered from the shock and Laura would spend the next twenty years caring for her mother. Laura then went into teaching and soon established herself in one of the large public schools in the city.''

:''Her success was acknowledged and she earned a Teacher of the Year award. In doing so, she came to the attention of Richard Adar, Mayor of Caprica City, who wanted her to help him run for Governor. Despite having no political experience, Adar persuaded her to join.''

:''Laura entered the harsh world of politics. Caprica City was crime-ridden and its public schools were a disaster. Adar and Laura brought the city back to its full potential.''

:''Uncomfortable with the spotlight, Laura let others take the credit for her work. But the Mayor knew what she had accomplished, and he never forgot.''

:''Her personal life was solitary; she remained a quiet, efficient public servant who ran her department fairly. This won her admiration across the political spectrum.''

:''Laura wanted to return to teaching but her loyalties to Adar would find herself fulfilling her political role. Her desire for a quiet life changed when she came under scrutiny and was accused of corruption in the Seacade District Scandal. Adar stood by her and eventually the scandal subsided.''

"[[Daybreak, Part I]]" confirms the incident of her sisters and father being killed by a drunk driver, only it occurs latter in her life, not when she was 15. Her youngest sister was also pregnant at the time, a point not covered in the Series Bible. The episode also confirms that after the accident she was approached by the Adar campaign team to join him in his run for office. It is not specifically stated whether he was running for Governor of Caprica or President of the Colonies at the time, only that Roslin has misgiving about joining a "national" campaign.

===Kara "Starbuck" Thrace===
According to Sky One, Thrace was born on Picon but raised all over the Twelve Colonies. Her mother was a sergeant major in the Colonial [[Marines]] and a decorated veteran of the [[First Cylon War]]. Her father was named Dreilide, and is described as a "frustrated" musician.

Here is Sky One's summary of Thrace:

:''Starbuck is Commander Adama's best pilot, as well as flight partner and closest comrade to Apollo, Adama's estranged son.''

:''Kara Thrace was born on the Picon colony, but raised all over the 12 Colonies. Her childhood was spent bouncing from one military outpost to another. Her mother was a sergeant major in the Colonial Marines, and a decorated veteran of the Cylon war. Her father, Dreilide, was a frustrated musician.''

:''Kara was a tough minded-child who dreamed of playing Pyramid in the big leagues someday. her mother wanted her to pursue a career in the military...Kara did not want this, so signed up to the academy to pursue her love of sports.''

:''Her future as a sports star ended when she was seriously injured, shattering her right knee. Most surgeons felt her knee would never be the same. Depressed, Kara applied to various post-graduate posts, but doubted she would be accepted. To her surprise, she scored the highest academic record for a flight-training exam. Kara soon discovered a love of flying.''

:''She would be a pilot for life - unless she got kicked out first, as Kara hated taking orders and military protocol. If that wasn't enough, Kara drank and gambled too much. While her academic and personal life was not first class, it couldn't be disputed that she was destined to fly.''

:''Kara served her first tour aboard the battlestar ''Triton'', but she was not admired by all, and soon found herself shipped back to where she started.''

:''This is where she met Zak Adama, and fell in love. Tragedy struck when Zak failed a key flight test and his plane crashed. Kara was devastated. She then spent two years on the ''Galactica'' - concentrating on her flying.''

In the podcast for "[[Maelstrom]]", he confirms that Kara Thrace grew up on several colonies on account of [[Socrata Thrace|her mother]] being a sergeant major in the Colonial Marine Corps (the [[:md:Image:SocrataThraceLetter.jpg|letter]] she receives lists her, incorrectly, as corporal. This is clarified in the extended DVD edition of "[[Razor]]", where Thrace refers to her mother by rank). As noted above, her knee injury is mentioned in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]", and her service on ''[[Triton (RDM)|Triton]]'' is noted in a personnel file seen in "[[The Son Also Rises]]". Her father's name being "Dreilide Thrace" was confirmed in ''[[Someone to Watch Over Me]]''.

===Lee "Apollo" Adama===

Here is Sky One's summary of Lee Adama:

:''Lee was born and raised on the colony of Caprica, where his family were born. A headstrong, scrappy boy, he was forever getting into fights at school.''

:''His parents divorced when he was just eight and his younger brother Zak was raised by their mother. His father visited him when he could, but military life often took him away for long periods. Nevertheless, both boys grew up worshiping this distant figure.''

:''Lee always wanted to be a pilot; to follow in his father's footsteps and join the fleet. He studied hard at school, aced his entrance exams to the academy and graduated third in his class. But the boy's hero-worship eventually turned to resentment, and neither knew how to repair it.''

:''While Lee was at flight school, his younger brother was away at Viper Squadron and a plum assignment on ''Atlantia'' - flagship of the fleet. Lee tried to dissuade him, but Zak did not want to be the only Adama without wings on his uniform. Zak's application was turned down. As Commander Adama pulled a few strings to get his son in, Lee was furious.''

:''Two weeks later, Zak's plane went down while he was flying a routine solo mission and he was killed. Lee spent the next two years focusing on his career, having no personal life and working to become the perfect fighter pilot.''

Part of this is contradicted by on screen evidence: Zak died during an important flight training mission and not a "routine" one. Lee did not work hard (at least after Zak's death) to be the best Viper pilot or to improve his career; multiple cast interviews, as well as Ron Moore's podcasts, state that he was despondent, didn't know what to do with his life, and was considering leaving the service. Moreover, in "[[Final Cut]]" it is established that he is a member of the Colonial Fleet Reserve, not regular fleet, indicating that he wasn't particularly concerned with a lifelong career. However, according to a [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Razor|deleted scene]] from "[[Razor]]", Lee Adama was accepted to test pilot school, showing that he is a very talented pilot, despite his lack of clear goals in his life.

===Gaius Baltar===

Here is Sky One's summary of Baltar:

:''Scientific genius Gaius is one of the greatest minds humanity has to offer. Unfortunately, his abundance of intellect is counterbalanced by a complete lack of ethics. His moral weakness allows the Cylons to infiltrate and neutralize the defences of the 12 Colonies.''

:''Gaius Baltar was born on a farm on the colony of Sagittaron.''

:''His family had worked the land for three generations and even as a boy, Gaius hated farm life. Fortunately, his parents owned a large and sprawling agri-business controlling millions of acres across the planet; Gaius found a different use for farm life and used it to study science and maths.''

:''Gaius became more than a good student - he was a genius at 14.''

:''By the age of 21 he had his first doctorate under his belt. Soon he was being hotly pursued by every major university to set up a research lab.''

:''Gaius' speciality was theoretical physics, but his true passion was computer science. He saw the prevailing anti-technological edicts as short-sighted, and believed in advancing human technology that the Cylons could not infiltrate.''

:''Because of his achievements, Gaius' help was needed by the Defence Ministry on top-secret projects. Gaius soon found himself the keeper of secrets, a position that flattered his already impressive ego.''

:''Still it wasn't enough; he hungered for a chance to work on a true artificial intelligence project. He then meets a smart and beautiful woman who seemed to understand him in a way no other had. She shared his passion of A.I. systems. The relationship lasted for two years and during this time she provided him with new and innovative ideas. Only one thing was missing; Gaius could not find out anything about her. Was it the perfect relationship he once thought it was?''

The description of Gaius Baltar coming from a farming family has been confirmed as well, though the writers decided to change his origin to [[Aerelon]]. In the podcast for the episode "[[Dirty Hands]]" Moore states that, according to the series bible, Baltar grew up a farmer's son in a rural community. Moore also confirms that originally Baltar was supposed to be from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]].

===[[Sharon Valerii]]===
According to Sky One, Sharon's memories were of growing up on the mining settlement of Troy.

Here is Sky One's summary of Valerii:

:''Sharon's first memories are vivid and she occasionally revisits them in her dreams. As far as she knew she grew up with a happy, normal childhood, the product of loving parents on the mining settlement of Troy. Troy was a small, barren world of the Colonial system.''

:''Sharon always wanted to leave and seek a grander life. After passing the Colonial Academy's exams she left aboard a commercial transport ship.''

:''During the flight, her hometown was wiped out in a series of titanic explosions caused by volatile methane gas, which had ignited in a mining operation. The disaster stunned the colonies.''

:''She later applied for flight school and was accepted over more qualified candidates. Flight school was rough on Sharon. Not a born pilot, she laboured long and hard. By the time she had graduated. she managed to earn the second chances that she seemed fated to be given. Her first assignment was aboard the battlestar ''Galactica'', and by the time of the Cylon attack, she had been there for almost a year.''

Valerri's back story is contradicted by her telling Boxey that her parents died when she was little ([[Miniseries]]), but supported by a comment in "[[Downloaded]]", that she received a gift from her mother when she left for the Academy. Furthermore according to Adama, she had been on ''Galactica'' for nearly ''two'' years, not almost one ([[The Farm]]).

== References ==

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==External links==
*[http://leethomson.myzen.co.uk/Battlestar_Galactica/Battlestar_Galactica_Series_Bible.pdf The Series Bible] (in PDF format)

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== Create a page box ==

What do people think about adding a "create a page" box on the Main Page, so that it's easier for contributors to create new pages? Basically, how the "create a page" feature would work is it would be much the same as the input box on the [[BW:TANK|Think Tank]] page: type the name and press "create this article". Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 19:02, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
:Fine by me. I'll never use it, of course, but it would make life easier (and more obvious) for other contributors. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:12, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
: Update: This'll be implemented in a few days. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:18, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

== Additional changes ==

Since we've changed the nomenclature a bit around here, we're going to be changing the names of a few of our locales as well to mirror this.

* The '''[[BW:AN|Administrators' noticeboard]]''' will be changed into the '''Chiefs' noticeboard'''.
* The '''[[BW:WQ|Wikipedians' Quorum]]''' will be changed into the '''Galactipedians' Quorum'''.

For backwards compatibility, we'll be keeping the original names and shortcuts as redirects.

As for the [[BW:REF|reference desk]], I'm thinking we should just merge the content into the appropriate guidelines and policies and get rid of it, since it's hardly used. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:18, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
:Isn't that supposed to be Galactipedians' rather than Galacti''ca''pedians'? As for the plan itself, it's fine by me. I've never seen any activity at the reference desk since I came here, but it sounds like a place to ask questions. Isn't that already covered at the noticeboard and the Quorum? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:32, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
:: Right. :P And the reference desk is a holdover from my experiment in trying to get some WP stuff over here. There's also those FAQ lists which I think can be merged into the project namespace as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 15:40, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

== WP's tlx template works here now ==

I've ported over Wikipedia's [[w:Template:Tlx]] to [[Template:Tlx]]. Tested. It works. If you check back a long way in my edit history here you'll see I've done this with various other very useful WP templates. Tlx in particular is very, very handy for template documentation, since you don't have to manually do a bunch of <code><nowiki><code><nowiki></nowiki></code> stuff (and I note that many if not most templates here remain undocumented, so perhaps this will help inspire some documentation). — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:33, 8 February 2008 (CST)
: Nice! Thank you! As for the templates, about half are documented (mainly the major ones) while other smaller ones aren't. Of course, they should be all documented, but it's a matter of prioritizing which one's need to be documented the most. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 10:38, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Note that we already ''had'' this template, [[Template:Tlp|just under a different name]]. You might wanna copy the documentation, though. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:33, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:::D'oh. One being a redir to the other, with dox preseved seems to be in order. Wikipedians like me think in terms of "tlx" and are unlikely to remember "tlp". — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:48, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== Rewrote [[:Council Security]] ==

I did a pretty much total rewrite of [[:Council Security]]. Hope it passes muster. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 10:35, 8 February 2008 (CST)
:Looks good in general. Nice details of their appearances. Though we generally write the article bodies themselves from a strictly in-universe perspective and confine real-world references to notes (unless it's an article dealing with an obvious real-world subject of course). -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:45, 8 February 2008 (CST)
::Yeah, I re-read the policy on that last night (after like 3 months); will re-re-write the article so that the real-world stuff is in the Notes section, unless someone has beat me to it. — [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] ‹(-¿-)› 02:47, 9 February 2008 (CST)
:::I removed it. It was mainly about the comparisons to the US police or Secret Service. The article is fine without that. Saying things like "In episode so and so they did..." is ok if it can't be avoided. Since the article partly deals with their different depiction in various episodes, that's appropriate in this case. So a completely re-write isn't really necessary. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:54, 9 February 2008 (CST)

== "Spoiler follows, highlight to read" ==

Does anybody else find the "highlight to read" style distracting and kind of unprofessional? Why can't we just use a little CSS to make a pop-down spoiler box:

<div class="NavFrame" style="border-style: none; padding: 0px;"><div class="NavHead" style=" text-align: left; padding: 0px;">'''Spoiler follows'''</div><div class="NavContent" style="display: none; text-align: left; padding: 0px;"><div style="text-align:left; border: 1px solid #ffffff; padding: 2px; margin-top: 2px;">Adama is a cylon!</div></div></div>

(This is GFDL code from Wikipedia, I can copy it over to a template and give credit where it's due.) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 16:59, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

: I don't see any problem with this. :) What does everyone else think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:17, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::Format's pages wrong. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:40, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::: In what way? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:11, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Colours don't work in BsgMonoBook, alignment is off in BsgBook, I don't see anything wrong in the default skin though. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:22, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::Nvm, the colours work in MonoBook. Actually I don't see anything wrong in any of the skins. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 18:38, 20 March 2008 (CDT)

::If it doesn't screw anything up, this would be far better than the highlight thing we have now. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:54, 20 March 2008 (CDT)
::::The drop down does not format on lists correct. Like before, it would create a new line and interrupt the list numbers. Also, from our previous discussion on javascript expanding boxes in the middle of episodes pages (which are not at the top), templates that expand huge things of text change the entire format of the page layout when they expand. Images get shifted and it creates an unnesseary new lines that were not there before. It's always 100% width. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

OK, the template is created as [[:Template:Spoilerbox]], add it if you like. I'm not going to replace the existing spoilers since... I don't want to be spoiled :) [[User:Evan|Evan]] 07:39, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:Nice template. Less is more for me on some pages, especially now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:42, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::Uh, one question...what's the input format for the template? I can't glean that from the description. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:45, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
:::I've updated the page, but the syntax is {{tlp|spoilerbox|This is a spoiler! Muhahahahha!}}. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 13:55, 21 March 2008 (CDT)
::I like the idea, but I'm not sure it's universally better than the current method... Especially if it will create problems like Shane mentioned. As dumb as it seems, I think the current method does have some advantages: Depending on how someone highlights the spoiler, they can control how much of the spoiler is revealed. Also, people can gauge how much content the spoiler contains just by looking at the amount of unreadable text. --[[User:Galjamspe|Galjamspe]] 00:40, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Proposition for new article ==

Hi! Quite new here, and since I don't find a button for creating a new article, I figure I must go through the Quorum?

I'd love it if we could open a small article for adding notice for Caprica Six's unborn baby.
There's no actual article for this person yet, and I have to write my mentions about it, in already existing articles like Gaius Baltar's and Caprica Six's.

Thanks for the attention! {{unsigned|Iniovan}}

: Do we really know anything about the baby enough to write an article? At this point, we just know that Caprica-Six is pregnant and that the father is Saul. Other than that... any analysis on it could probably fit in the episode guides. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Question on editing etiquette ==

Hi,

I'm a newbie here. So this is a question so I can hopefully avoid stepping on anyone's toes. If you see an existing article and wish to add to the information and content, would it always be best to ask the original contributor before doing so? Especially if to do so, I would have to move some items around in the original article.

For example, I want to put in a new reference to supplement the article, however, it would need to go before an existing article, requiring renumbering of all of the references.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what is good editing and bad editing before I put foot in mouth.

thanks!
Jeff Rabb
:In a word, no. In addition to greatly slowing down the ability for the community to keep things up to date, it also ignores the fact that once you hit "save page" your edits become community property. There really isn't an "ownership" of articles, outside of perhaps articles in the "User" namespace. So feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] and get in those edits. If somebody takes issue with your edits they can either change it back themselves, take it up in the talk page of the article in question, and/or potentially bring it up on your talk page. New references are almost always welcome, as they're the glue that binds this place together. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice!
Jeff

== How Can This Not Be Canonical? ==

On the [[unnamed battlestars]] page, there is section dealing with the [[Berserk Class Escort]]. A notation notes the specific information on this class of ship is non-canonical. Presumably because it comes from the ship designer's own website vs that from one of the sanctioned websites or sources. But the ship WAS used in [[Razor]]. So how can one on one hand use it in the show and on the other hand say that any specific information on it from it's creator is non-canonical simply because TPTB never bothered to put it with a sanctioned source? It either is or isn't in my book. I'm sure this discussion has arisen many times before, but I'd like to find out the final arguement that finally determined why this source, which straddles the line, should be excluded as non-sanctioned? Jeff Rabb
:The ship described on the website is on the show, but canon starts from the aired content and trickles down from there. So while we do see the ship, we aren't given any in-show identification of the ship. Also, there's nothing from the producers on the matter. However... the information coming from "crew" does seem to place it somewhere in category 3 in the [[BW:CITE|source hierarchy]], so it should have some weight (IMO). Anyway, I can see where the note was coming from (in that none of the information about the name of the ship, etc., came from any aired info or from RDM, etc), but I think you've got a decent argument. Given Joe's edit to the article, it appears he at least checked out the source website enough to correct the spelling to match it. Personally, I'd consider replacing the "canon" note and just replace it with a reference pointing to Chu's website. I do have to agree that it's not necessarily a battlestar, and in fact given the escort designation it's likely not a battlestar. Battleships don't "escort" battleships, and likewise with aircraft carriers. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Jeffrabb

2009-05-08T03:37:35Z

Steelviper: /* Documenting Contributions */ new section

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==

Greetings, {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to Battlestar Wiki! I'm pleased to tell you that you have full editing privileges on every wiki in the Battlestar Wiki network. I hope you enjoy your stay with us and am looking forward to your contributions to the Wiki! Why not begin by telling us a bit about yourself on your own [[User:{{PAGENAME}}|user page]]?

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--[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 00:17, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

== Missing items ==

Hi Jeff,

Welcome aboard (again)! I've read the brief item on your user page and notice that you mentioned that we're missing some information. What information do you feel/see that we do not presently have? Also, if you have any quesstions on how to edit, you can start off at our [[BW:TUT|tutorial]] and always feel free to ask us! Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
:He's obviously referencing some of the remaining [[BW:POD|podcast transcripts]] that need to be transcribed/verified. *nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more* *sigh* But likely not. Like Joe says, though, feel free to ask for help. and don't be afraid to dive in. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:39, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
::Or ask away in the cheif's board [[BW:CN]] [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== Missing items ==

Hi, yes, I've found a name for yet another battlestar on a single frame in the miniseries. It is when Dee is receiving the frantic comms traffic right after the initial Cylon assualt and Lt Gaeta <sic> asks her: "What's the latest, Dee?". During her response, the camera focuses onto the messages she's just printed off. You have to slow the film down and go frame by frame, but in one frame you clearly see the header of one of the messages is from the "Battlestar Uned". Obviously there is nothing in any mythology with the name of Uned. My guess, it's a writer's room joke never meant to be noticed. {{unsigned|Jeffrabb}}
: That was the props department. A lot of the prop paperwork was nonsensical to begin with anyway. I do believe the document says that there is a battlestar named "Uned." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

== Uploading images ==

I've read all the guidelines concerning the issue of uploads, but gosh darn it, I can't figure out how or WHERE you do the uploads at. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks

: Battlestar Wiki Media repository - http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page -- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 07:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Documenting Contributions ==

Don't let me stop you from documenting the stuff that you've done on your user page (other people do it too, and I've got a couple of projects highlighted on my own page), but I just thought I'd point out that everybody also has a detailed, edit by edit, record of their contributions. I'll grant that most people probably don't take the time to check it out, but it's the real meat of what they've done and I occasionally will skim the contribs of others to kinda check out what type of spaces they like to move in. [[Special:Contributions/Jeffrabb|Yours]] currently matches your user page pretty well. I was just pointing out that special page in case you ever wanted to check that out, or if you ever tire of keeping up with all your edits. Also, sometimes the edit remarks are funnier/more insightful/better than the actual edit itself. Anyways, keep up the good work. It's appreciated. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:37, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Battlestar Wiki:Galactipedians Quorum

2009-05-03T23:24:00Z

Steelviper: /* Question on editing etiquette */

Podcast:Daybreak, Part I

2009-05-01T04:06:59Z

Steelviper: /* Teaser */

== Teaser==
RDM: Hello, and welcome to the last podcast of Battlestar Galactica. I'm Ron Moore, the executive producer and developer of the new Battlestar Galactica, here to welcome you to the podcast for Daybreak. And I'm joined, at least for a short while, by my lovely and talented wife, Mrs. Ron, Terry Moore.

Terry: Maybe we should call me Terry this episode.

RDM: We'll just call you Terry, just to sort of-

Terry: Although, I don't know. Should we call me Mrs. Ron for tradition?

RDM: Mrs. Ron to the bitter end.

Terry: Maybe.

RDM: Maybe.

Well. A lot to talk about. Long episodes, 'cause we're gonna do the whole finale at once. We'll take a break here and there as needed.

Terry: I'm gonna check out a little bit because I think that you guys deserve to have Ron solo, but he didn't wanna do it all completely by himself. And I just wanna say something to the "Okay" thread. I got my- we got our chickens. We got eight chickens sitting in the ref- in the kitchen. Alive chickens. Live chickens, I should say.

RDM: Yes, live chickens.

Terry: Just a little aside.

RDM: The Scotch for night i- the Scotch for tonight is Highland Twenty Five, brand new special bottle for the occasion, and the cigarettes later on, after Mrs. Ron has excused herself, will be Export A's. The taste of Canada.

Terry: And I really don't care that much if Ron has an occasional cigarette. I'm not a smoke Nazi.

RDM: That's right.

Okay. Well, let's talk a little bit about the origins of this. We started talking about the finale episode originally at the Las Vegas writer's retreat a year and a half ago, almost two years ago now.

Terry: Although I think it's kinda stupid.

RDM: And then-

Terry: [laughs]

RDM: -we subsequently talked again about it at last year's Lake Tahoe writer's retreat where we really stroked out the arc of the final season and where it was all going to-

Terry: In advance.

RDM: In advance, as best we could. 'Cause we knew that going into the last season we want it to be one basic, essentially one long continuous story all the way to the end. And we talked in general terms about what was going to happen in the finale. I look back in my notes for where the original thoughts were, and I'd say we did some of them, and some of them we clearly abandoned. [cat meows]. There were things- Hello Ella. We abandoned some of these things as we got into the second half of the season because the writer's strike gave me time to reconsider and think about some of the directions that we were going and we decided to abandon some of those ideas. Well, let's talk a little bit about here, this open. The finale-

Terry: It's so pretty.

RDM: The on-air finale is- has been restructured a couple of times from the scripted version.

Terry: I haven't seen this.

RDM: The scripted version of the finale the flashbacks were intermingled all the way through the show, and they were not chronological, in that in the opening you cut from Laura in sick bay with the drip, drip, drip of her IV to the fountain of Laura, and you- the first flashback you saw of Laura was her in the fountain. Likewise you saw pieces of Adama at the strip club. You saw Lee with the broom, and the pigeon. You saw Kara and Lee, together, drinking. And you saw all these things out of order. And as the episode progressed, I just dropped in pieces of backstory for each one of them along the way, and they were, like I said, they were non-linear. They were out of order and when you read it on the page, it was very effective, and people really responded to the script, which was very gratifying to me. They really loved it and liked it and there was something about the non-linear nature of all the flashbacks in the original draft that was really compelling and interesting and you were trying to figure out what the puzzle was about. When you put it together, when it was actually filmed and cut together that way, Mike- one of the first things Michael Rymer did was, he said, "OK. When it's non-linear like that and you're watching it as a piece, it's just too confusing and you couldn't hold all the images in your head at the same time for all these different plot threads. So the first thing he did was to take them and make them chronological. And you did- they were still scattered throughout the show, but they were chronological in that you started at the beginning of the Baltar story, you started at the beginning of the Laura story, etc. etc., and went all the way to the end. That version, with different monkeying around with the version that we initially went through, but then that version didn't seem to work as well. Mark Stern, network executive at SciFi channel who's been the creative exec on this project since the beginning, since the miniseries, he said, "You know what? I'm just- I'm having trouble connecting to it. I'm not connecting to these pieces as well as I should. And I love the script and I'm really supportive of the finale but I just can'e emotionally invest and something's wrong and I can't quite get there." And at first I was sorta like, "Wow. Oh my God. Really? It's not working." And then I just went back in the editing room and sat down with the editors and Andy Seklir, our supervising editor, came up with the idea. He said, "Why don't we just group them? Why don't we start off the show with a block of them? So you kind of understand what the nature of the project is. That you're going in and you're-" As he always said, the- as Andy said, the flashbacks are sorta the "A" story, really, I mean it's really about these characters and who they were and who they've become and where they end up, and why don't we start with that? And suddenly when you blocked them together, when you open the finale with the block of flashbacks and then eventually got to Galactica, it just gave everything a completely different flavor and suddenly the whole thing came together and Mark loved it and then so we realized that the whole piece was gonna work, and it was sort of instructive to watch the process- to be in the process and see how it changed from page to stage to post.

The individual stories that we're telling in the backstories here, some of them were in the original show bible. The story of Laura Roslin's sisters all being killed, and along with her father, in a drunk driving accident, was something actually I wrote in the show bible in part of her character backstory before season one started.

Terry: Do you assume that people have already seen the episode before you tell them that?

RDM: Yeah. I- because the podcast never comes out until the episode's already aired.

Terry: Oh, that's true. What if they wait?

RDM: If they wait, then they shouldn't be listening to the podcast first. 'Cause we give away- I always give away the things in podcasts.

Terry: I know. You're- you can't really complain about spoilers.

RDM: No, you can't.

So the story of Laura was about connecting the pieces of how Laura eventually ended up on Galactica. I mean, the thought behind all the flashbacks was it's about the characters. We were having trouble- I was having trouble breaking the finale in the room with the writers. We had a construct, we had a general idea of what was gonna happen. We knew we had to- that the char- that everyone would have to go rescue Hera from the colony and bring her back and that by the end of it we would arrive at Earth and wrap up the show. And we were struggling with the mechanics of the plot. We were struggling with, "How do they get aboard the colony? What's the battle? What's the big twist? How does A lead to B lead to C?" And it was just really unsatisfying. I had a very difficult day doing it. Came home from a break session. Was in a bad mood, and Terry said, "Why don't you go take a shower and chill out?" And I went upstairs, took a shower, and in the shower I just had this epiphany, then it was, "What am I doing? It's the characters, stupid." It always has been. It's- the show has never been about plot so much as it's been about these people. How these people reacted to the various things that we threw at them.

Terry: I think you should go into that a little bit since people are having such a reaction to that statement.

RDM: Oh, she's reading- Terry's reading some of the online comments on part one of "Daybreak".

Terry: Maybe you should just explain it a little bit better so they know your thinking.

RDM: Well, I always felt that from the beginning, when I pitched the series, I said, "The show's gonna be about the characters, first and foremost. It's gonna be a drama before it's a scifi series. Before it's an action/adventure piece. Before it's anything else, it's a drama. It's about these people. It's about their lives. It's about who they are. What their loves, their likes, their dislikes, their heartbreaks, what it is that makes them human beings-" It was- the series was always going to be about that, and I wanted- then I- that day in the shower I realized, that's how we have to end the show then. The show is going to be about the characters to the end.

Terry: It's not at the expense of the plot. It's that that has been your focus.

RDM: That's always been my focus.

Terry: OK. So you're not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

RDM: No. No, no. We had a plot. I mean, the plot was gonna work. I always have faith that you're gonna figure out a plot. But character work is much more difficult and much more nuanced and requires more thought and work.

These- and when I came back into the writers' room the next day and I wrote up on the board, up on the white erase board, "It's the characters, stupid," it kinda freed everybody up. I said, "We're just gonna set aside the plot for the moment. Let's talk about what we wanna do with these characters. What do we wanna learn about them?" And I think it was David Weddle who said, "I just wanna find out about things about these people that I don't know. I'm just interested in their lives and who they are." And I said, "Well the first image I have-," 'cause I'd had this idea in the shower, too, I said, "you know, I just- I don't know what the story is about the characters, but I have this image of a man in a house with a broom, and he's trying to chase a bird out of the house that's gotten into the rafters, and that's an image. Let's just write that on a card and put it up on the board." I didn't know what it meant. I didn't know who had the broom, why there was a bird in his house, or where it was. But I loved it as an image, and just put it up there. And then from then, we started other images, other ideas. Laura in the fountain was something that I'd wanted to do in an episode a long time ago. And, OK, Laura's in the fountain. Why is she in the fountain? And we started talking about her backstory and the car crash and the death of her sisters. And then we started talking about Baltar, and what did we do with Baltar? And I wanted to find out that Baltar had a more complicated life before the miniseries began than we realized. That, in the miniseries he's presented as this playboy. He's this genius scientist playboy rich, lots of women, narcissistic, devil may care, and he's just livin' the life. And I wanted to discover that, actually, nobody really lives like that. Everybody has a family. Everybody has traumas and dramas, and everybody has these sort of things in their life and even Gaius Baltar had a father, and had to deal with him, and had to deal with him getting old and had to deal with his unpleasant reminder of where he came from, with all the emotional baggage that came along with it.

Terry: And what's so great is that it really does explain so much of why he does what he does, later on, that his essential, deep, insecurity that never leaves this character. I mean, why is he willing to do the crazy, stupid shit that he's willing to do.

RDM: Yeah.

Terry: You know, and why is he so incredibly insecure? He's the most insecure character on the show.

RDM: And, marrying it into the plot, it also- this storyline shows you how the relationship between him and Caprica-Six came to be, what were the- what was the crucial building block and why would he let this woman access to the mainframe computer that he knew was classified, that he knew was top secret, that he knew he shouldn't be letting anyone in, and there was something fascinating to me about discovering that he did it out of to say, "Thank you," in a way. He did it because she had done his- this generous thing for his father, who she didn't even know, and out of that he grew to love her, in some way, even though he could barely bring himself to think that or say that. He- there was an emotional tie between him and this woman that essentially he decided to do this gen- what he thought was this generous thing that he could get in trouble for and somehow that led to the destruction of the human race. And I thought that was a fascinating, complicated story and how did you look at that and how did you feel about that. But it was a very human story.

Terry: Well, and for somebody as shallow and insecure as Gaius Baltar, to have some woman that he's just screwing around with, to have that kind of act of human compassion has to reach him on some level because he doesn't really believe in who he is.

What's the matter?

RDM: I'm just worried about the Cylons.

So that was the idea behind the flashbacks. There are- there is a chunk of flashbacks that are actually missing from the air version. On the DVD there's gonna be a longer version of the finale, another twenty minutes or so, that was cut for the on air. And there's a series of flashbacks that have to do with Boomer and Helo and Tyrol, when Boomer was a rook aboard Galactica and you see the first time she and Tyrol kissed and you see Cally telling Tyrol not to trust her and you see Helo's longing for her quietly expressed, and ultimately that was the plotline that felt like we didn't need it.

Terry: I love how Laura cleans up.

RDM: Yeah Laura- Yeah, that I love. I love that after she's informed of this- the death of her sisters her reaction is to-

Terry: Was that script or Mary?

RDM: No, that was scripted. That she starts picking up the stuff from the-

Terry: Looking for something to do.

RDM: Yeah, looking for something to do.

Terry: Excuse our cat.

RDM: This- the apartment building where she is is actually the very same apartment complex that Kara's apartment is in. And this image of Laura in the fountain was something I wanted to put into an episode a couple years ago and David Eick talked me out of it. There was an ep- the episode where we did the flashback and we found out that Laura was having the affair with Adar and I wanted to have the beat in there, the day she found out that she got cancer, which is obviously the day of the attack, that she left the doctor's office and she went straight out into the park and sat in a fountain because she didn't know what else to do with her. And we didn't do it then, but I was always struck by this image of Laura irrationally walking into a fountain and sitting underneath the water and just letting it pour down- on her. And that people would just sit there and stare at her and that she wouldn't care, and that there was this sense of loss and this sense of hopelessness and yet- trying to find life, trying to feel something, trying to feel alive, that I felt was just fascinating and interesting and I love the i- I knew Mary would look great doing it and I just- I'm really glad that we finally got to work that in towards the end.

Terry: It's so poignant. Well, just imagine. Your whole family?

RDM: Yeah, essentially. Her whole family. 'Cause her mother was- had already died sometime before that of cancer.

Terry: It's just staggering.

RDM: Going back to what I started the podcast talking about, there was an alternate ending that we were going to do. There was a longer plot that had all to do with- once Ellen woke up aboard the Cylon colony with Cavil and realized who she was and we got through the backstory of the Final Five, which was pretty much the same, the idea was that essentially she was gonna- once she found out that out there somewhere her husband was- that Tigh was actually involved with a Cylon, he was involved with a Six, and that he had impregnated her, that she was essentially become enraged, bitter, anger and all this flood of emotion that was part of Ellen was gonna turn her against them and she was gonna- she and Cavil were going to be become the big baddies of the show. And they were going to kidnap- Hera. I'm looking back at my notes trying to reconstruct this here. Baltar- duh, duh, duh. Tory meets with Cavil, discovers that Ellen is alive. Let me go back a little bit. Well, that's the end of the act.

== Act 1 ==

Podcast:Daybreak, Part I

2009-04-29T03:05:02Z

Steelviper: /* Teaser */ 0:10:16.9

Talk:Alex Quartararo/Archive 1

2009-04-23T18:28:35Z

Steelviper: /* Inexperienced but well trained */

==Triton==

I'm guessing Triton is a settlement on a moon of one of the colony planets. Valerii is another person whose home colony is not one of the 12 (Troy). Since Crashdown likely isn't coming back, I doubt we'll ever find what colony Triton belonged to. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 13:30, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Triton was also one the many [[Triton|battlestars destroyed]] in the attack. Like ''Galactica'', it may have represented one of the Colonies, but we don't know if this was the case. Interpretation lends itself to Crashdown being one of handful of crewmembers that may have been separated or escaped from ''Triton's'' destruction, which fits the "refugee" moniker more aptly than a Colonial city. We have no information that the Twelve Colonies having any moons, much less inhabitable ones, so that's "crazy talk." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:34, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:: I can see the logic in that, so I stand corrected. Feel free to revert it back. :) I'll do a bit more background checking before I "Crazy talk" again. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 13:38, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::: Helo could also have gotten a recent transfer from ''Triton'', though that doesn't make a whole lot of sense... Why would someone be transfered ''to'' a ship about to be decommissioned? --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:13, 19 January 2006 (EST)

== Possible Character Pic Replacement ==
[[Image:CrashdownFragged.jpg|thumb|right]]
I found a pic over at [http://galactica.emedian.net/ep2.03.html galactica.emedian.net], and cropped it down to an 8x10 headshot. If we're comfortable with all the copyright stuff then we might consider this for the character pic for this article? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:50, 16 February 2006 (EST)
:Abso-frakkin-lutely, SV. Go for it. I've begun to loathe the "deer in headlights" picture currently in place. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:20, 16 February 2006 (EST)

:Although I also thought that the old pic was bad, the new pic isn't good either. We need a pick of what Crashdown "normally" looked like, before getting roughed up on Kobol. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:01, 16 February 2006 (EST)

::Yeah, while dramatic, this image would be better used as an inline in the section where the events on Kobol are discussed. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:50, 16 February 2006 (EST)

:::I'm all for a normal pic of Crashdown, as soon as one can be provided. In fact, I'd readily scrap this one for even the Kobol events in favor of a Mexican standoff pic (or one that otherwise shows Crashdown with that weird look in his eye). Something along the lines of [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=38&pos=222 this], or [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=38&pos=223 this]. (Do those people capture the episodes frame by frame? There are a LOT of captures up there.) I'll scan through their pics to see if I can find a normal pic of Crashdown for the character pic. Even if we can't use their captures, it would at least paint a target for somebody who has a copy of it to take a capture. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:58, 16 February 2006 (EST)

::::The current pic came from Kobol's Last Gleaming (I guessed part I, they didn't specify on the site. If I'm wrong, go ahead and fix the description). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:26, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:::::I like this one a lot. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:29, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:::::It's still a little deer-in-headlights, but way better than the original. Besides, Crash was always a bit like that--it's why he's dead. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:37, 17 February 2006 (EST)

== A Name for Crashdown? ==

I was intrigued when I looked through playing cards for the Battlestar Galactica Collectible Card game recently.

One card has Crashdown with a name, "Alex Quartararo." Of course, as we never have heard of this name before, I want to verify its source as canonical, despite its appearance in the officially licensed card game.

The question on Crashdown's name is going up on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques]] article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:57, 21 September 2006 (CDT)

:And we were successful. This article shall be moved to "Alex Quartararo" now. -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 19:35, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

::The article name is patently against BS Wiki naming conventions. The callsign should not be part of the article name in a known given name, but serve only as a redirect. We've got a weird double redirect going, which I will fix. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:45, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

:::My bad. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:48, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

::::It's OK. It's always exciting to get new tidbits and get caught up in the fun. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:53, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== BSG ==

Can anyone see the BSG number on his ''Triton'' patch clearly?--[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]]•[[User talk:Kevin W.|So say we all]] 16:11, 7 January 2007 (CST)
:I've been trying, I'll definately post it if I figure it out. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:34, 7 January 2007 (CST)
::Unfortunately, the site where the image is from doesn't give much clearer pictures. The first digit looks like it could be a three, though. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]]•[[User talk:Kevin W.|So say we all]] 19:49, 7 January 2007 (CST)
:::Which pic? The one that I posted in the Crashdown article? I was just looking at it and it looks like something along the lines of 31, 33 (!), or 38/9. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:19, 7 January 2007 (CST)
::::Yeah, the one that shows his patch. Maybe someone could ask Bradley Thompson to get in contact with the costuming department and see if they could shed some light. :) --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]]•[[User talk:Kevin W.|So say we all]] 11:59, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== Inexperienced but well trained ==

Not sure whether this is worth briniging up, because although Crashdown was inexperienced in the field and made fatal errors, his method of giving orders while on Kobol before the attack on the missile site is exactly the way that modern military commanders would today, despite what Galen Tyrol or the others thought. This method is called '''SMEAC''' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_paragraph_order , and there's no reason that Crashdown would be particularly familiar (except for maybe a few hours instruction during OCS) with it because he's a fly-boy, not a grunt.--[[User:Anoctris|Anoctris]] 11:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
:This is mentioned briefly in the notes section in "[[Fragged]]", but I don't see anything wrong with a mention here as well. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:28, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Podcast:Daybreak, Part I

2009-04-22T02:51:33Z

Steelviper:

Podcast:Daybreak, Part I

2009-04-16T02:44:03Z

Steelviper: initial creation

RDM: Hello, and welcome to the last podcast of Battlestar Galactica. I'm Ron Moore, the executive producer and developer of the new Battlestar Galactica, here to welcome you to the podcast for Daybreak. And I'm joined, at least for a short while, by my lovely and talented wife, Mrs. Ron, Terry Moore.

Terry: Maybe we should call me Terry this episode.

RDM: We'll just call you Terry, just to sort of-

Terry: Although, I don't know. Should we call me Mrs. Ron for tradition?

RDM: Mrs. Ron to the bitter end.

Terry: Maybe.

RDM: Maybe.

Well. A lot to talk about. Long episodes, 'cause we're gonna do the whole finale at once. We'll take a break here and there as needed.

Terry: I'm gonna check out a little bit because I think that you guys deserve to have Ron solo, but he didn't wanna do it all completely by himself. And I just wanna say something to the "Okay" thread. I got my- we got our chickens. We got eight chickens sitting in the ref- in the kitchen. Alive chickens. Live chickens, I should say.

RDM: Yes, live chickens.

Terry: Just a little aside.

RDM: The Scotch for night i- the Scotch for tonight is Highland Twenty Five, brand new special bottle for the occasion, and the cigarettes later on, after Mrs. Ron has excused herself, will be Export A's. The taste of Canada.

Terry: And I really don't care that much if Ron has an occasional cigarette. I'm not a smoke Nazi.

RDM: That's right.

Okay. Well, let's talk a little bit about the origins of this. We started talking about the finale episode originally at the Las Vegas writer's retreat a year and a half ago, almost two years ago now.

Terry: Although I think it's kinda stupid.

RDM: And then-

Terry: [laughs]

RDM: -we subsequently talked again about it at last year's Lake Tahoe writer's retreat where we really stroked out the arc of the final season and where it was all going to-

Terry: In advance.

RDM: In advance, as best we could. 'Cause we knew that going into the last season we want it to be one basic, essentially one long continuous story all the way to the end. And we talked in general terms about what was going to happen in the finale. I look back in my notes for where the original thoughts were, and I'd say we did some of them, and some of them we clearly abandoned. [cat meows]. There were things- Hello Ella. We abandoned some of these things as we got into the second half of the season because the writer's strike gave me time to reconsider and think about some of the directions that we were going and we decided to abandon some of those ideas. Well, let's talk a little bit about here, this open. The finale-

Terry: It's so pretty.

RDM: The on-air finale is- has been restructured a couple of times from the scripted version.

Terry: I haven't seen this.

RDM: The scripted version of the finale the flashbacks were intermingled all the way through the show, and they were not chronological, in that in the opening you cut from Laura in sick bay with the drip, drip, drip of her IV to the fountain of Laura, and you- the first flashback you saw of Laura was her in the fountain. Likewise you saw pieces of Adama at the strip club. You saw Lee with the broom, and the pigeon. You saw Kara and Lee, together, drinking. And you saw all these things out of order. And as the episode progressed, I just dropped in pieces of backstory for each one of them along the way, and they were, like I said, they were non-linear. They were out of order and when you read it on the page, it was very effective, and people really responded to the script, which was very gratifying to me. They really loved it and liked it and there was something about the non-linear nature of all the flashbacks in the original draft that was really compelling and interesting and you were trying to figure out what the puzzle was about. When you put it together, when it was actually filmed and cut together that way, Mike- one of the first things Michael Rymer did was, he said, "OK. When it's non-linear like that and you're watching it as a piece, it's

User talk:Gully

2009-04-14T17:20:37Z

Steelviper: /* Thanks but... */ new section

Battlestar Wiki:News/Site Current News

2009-04-14T17:11:11Z

Steelviper: no links to torrents, thanks

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== ''Caprica'' Promo on SciFi.com ==

SciFi.com has the first 1 and 1/2 minute promo for ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?clip=4&sub=specials here].

== "Caprica" to air on SkyOne & SkyOne HD in November 2008 ==

In a [http://www.skypressoffice.co.uk/SkyOne/news/showarticle.asp?id=2528&month=8&year=2008 press release] issued by SkyOne on August 6, 2008, SkyOne announces that it has acquired rights to air the 2-hour movie on both SkyOne and SkyOne HD. It also gives the tentative date of November 2008 for its airing.

User talk:Fredmdbud

2009-04-10T20:08:41Z

Steelviper: /* Mostly Harmless? */ new section

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
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== [[Datastream]] / water ==

The dialogue is as follows: 
Sharon: "Okay, I'm going to try to call up the database. If I get a connection, put the SSR leads in the water over there."

So it ''is'' water and not just a general fluid. The whole footnote doesn't make sense if we just call it "a fluid". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 19:45, 13 August 2007 (CDT)

== Grammar edits to [[Nugget]] ==

Just so you know:
* "Who" and "that" are both allowed for referring to persons. For objects, "which" and "that" are allowed (making "that" 'go both ways')
::Though that can be acceptable in colloquial spoken English, we were taught in middle- and high-school composition to keep the distinction [http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch/Writing/w.html] {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}
* "Their" is not just plural, but can also be used as a gender-neutral alternative to "his" or "her".
--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 06:56, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
::Technically incorrect but still commonly used (similar to "irregardless") ... but is the possessive really needed in the sentence? It's usually not used in similar phrasing: The soldier completed basic training. {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}
:::Weird, we were taught that 'that' goes both ways... but then I'm in the Netherlands. On a side note, please sign your posts with <code><nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki></code> (two dashes and four tildes), which will expand to your username and a timestamp. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:17, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

== BS vs BSG ==

Hi there. Just noticed your edits to [[Galactica (RDM)]] and [[Pegasus (RDM)]]. Just to let you know, the prefix BS is the ''hull number'' for the battlestars in question. BSG is an acronym for [[Battlestar Group]]. I know it's a bit off-putting, particularly since both battlestars share the same number as their hull number. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 18:51, 16 October 2007 (CDT)
:So what would be the appropriate prefix, BS or BG? From your notes in the history log, the landing bay plate reads "BG", but the article refers to "BS". {{unsigned|Fredmdbud}}
:: The appropriate prefix is "BS", the way it was before in the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 19:08, 16 October 2007 (CDT)

== Correct ==

We already have a switch indicating the character itself is a FF Cylon. I doubt this is a role of the character. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 01:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Mostly Harmless? ==

Hardly. I've watched your edits. You're a pretty detail oriented cat. Thanks for the hard work (especially with regards to the TOS stuff). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Jeffrabb

2009-04-05T23:39:10Z

Steelviper: /* Missing items */

Deadlock

2009-04-04T03:09:41Z

Steelviper: + podcast

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== Overview ==
:''[[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]] and [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] return to the fleet. The Cylons consider leaving.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

*A mixed Cylon and human work force is making repairs to the ''[[Galactica]]'' using the organic metal [[Chief Tyrol]] described. [[Admiral Adama]] asks if he can touch it. After doing so, he asks the Chief if it is alive.
*In [[Dogsville]], a group of Marines are distributing food. The civilians in line become rather unruly, pushing and shoving despite the Marines assurances that "everyone will get their share."
*[[Caprica Six]] is walking nearby with her head covered. She is recognized by a group of civilians who attack her. She beats them back, but is struck in the process.
*Adama tells Tyrol "This had better work."
*In [[sick bay]], [[Sherman Cottle]] tells Caprica and [[Colonel Tigh]] that their baby is perfectly healthy and "has a heart like a kettle drum." He shoos them away but Tigh wants Caprica to stay in sick bay just in case. They have a good laugh about the fact that he doesn't trust the machine. She says that [[Liam]] is fine and she would sleep better at home.
*In [[CIC]], [[Hoshi]] detects the Raptor that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] are on, reporting that it was logged as missing over a year ago. The [[CAP]], led by [[Starbuck]], moves to intercept it. Starbuck attempts communication, the transmission is garbled. Boomer acknowledges she can hear them via signal light. A [[Number Six]] flying a [[Heavy Raider]] with the CAP reports that the voice sounds like an Eight. Adama orders the CAP to bring it in.
*On the [[Hangar Deck]] Ellen steps out of the Raptor. She states how thrilled she is to see everyone. [[Hot Dog]] wonders aloud "How many dead chicks are out there?" Tigh is elated to see Ellen, and the two kiss passionately. Tyrol approaches Boomer, grins slightly, and says "Nice to see you again." He informs Adama that this is Boomer, and he orders her taken to the [[brig]].

=== Act 1 ===

*In the Admiral's quarters Ellen is speaking with [[President Roslin]], [[Lee Adama]], Colonel Tigh and Admiral Adama. She reports that the destruction of the [[Resurrection Hub]] has resulted in [[Number One]] becoming psychologically unbalanced as he does not feel biological procreation can assure Cylon survival. Noting the wary look on all of their faces she says that she is still the same Ellen and asks if anyone has a flask. Adama hands her one. She reports that Boomer helped her escape and hopes they won't treat her too badly. She asks to see the rest of the [[Final Five]]. Ellen says they are like family, asking the others to imagine what it would be like if, instead of 50,000 survivors, there were only 5 and how close they would all be. She asks Tigh how much he remembers. He replies "just flashes." Lee tells her about the condition of [[Sam Anders]]. She asks to see him and the others. Adama says he'll see what he can do, exchanging concerned glances with Lee and Roslin.
*Once Ellen and Tigh are alone, he tells her there is so much to ask her and tell her. She is not interested in talking, asking him "floor or table?" He says that he doesn't care, and she sweeps everything off the table. Just before they make love, Tigh briefly projects the face of a Six over Ellen's features.
*Meanwhile, in Tigh's quarters, Caprica Six has a sudden flash of pain. She drops the bowl she is eating from, clutches her belly and groans.
*The followers of [[Gaius Baltar]] are loading pistols and discussing supplies as he walks in. [[Jeanne]] is excited to see him, running over and kissing him immediately. [[Paulla Schaffer]] is somewhat less enthusiastic, saying that they "wondered if he was coming back." He replies that his return was always a matter of course and asks what he missed. She states that people started stealing their food, prompting them to take guns from the bodies of dead mutineers once they realized they had "been abandoned." He replies that he never abandoned them, prompting Jeanne to amend "abandoned by God." He replies that he knew his extended absence would teach them self-reliance and that is why he stayed away for so long. Paulla sarcastically remarks that is very wise of him. Baltar's [[Virtual Six]] appears to tell him that "The sheep have a new shepherd."
*Ellen and Tigh are getting dressed. She compliments him on his sexual technique and asks who he's frakked. She states that after thousands of years of marriage she is quite familiar with his lovemaking style, adding that she's not mad as he thought she was dead. He admits to sex with a Six but added he always thought of her. She reminds him of the incestuous nature of the relationship as they created the Sixes and is not happy about being his "mental porn." He admits that he is still seeing Caprica but does not mention Liam.

=== Act 2 ===

*Adama is once again inspecting a work area.
*In sick bay, an Eight, a Six, [[Tory Foster]], Tigh, and Tyrol are visiting Anders. Cottle tells them not to unplug anything. Ellen enters and says that this was "how it was" as she gently brushes Sam's cheek. The Six tells her that the others are considering jumping away and starting a new life with the Final Five. Tigh is incredulous at the suggestion that they abandon the fleet. The Eight says they are not safe there, mentioning the attack on [[Caprica-Six]]. Tory agrees, leading Tigh to accuse her of plotting this all along and argue that Sam could not survive on the baseship. The Eight disagrees, and Ellen tries to change the subject by saying "Caprica-Six is pregnant?" She argues with Tigh, but Tyrol says the two should stick to the matter at hand and argue in private. The Eight says they should have a binding vote as that is the way the Five taught the other Cylons. Tory and Tyrol vote to go, Tigh votes to stay and points out that is exactly what Sam said they should do before losing consciousness. Ellen abstains and walks out the door, leaving the Five deadlocked.
*Paulla leads Gaius and the others to [[Dogsville]]. Jeanne remarks on their improved living conditions since arming themselves. Gaius greets a beautiful young woman with a small boy. She says that her name is [[Naia]] and her son is named Gaius, and Baltar assumes the child was named after him, which pleases him but Naia said he was named after his father. Baltar smoothly but noticably segues into saying he is pleased that the child is named after his father. Gaius asks Gaius if he is hungry, to which the boy nods. Baltar makes a grand speech promising to feed all the people of Dogsville. Naia embraces him in gratitude, but Paulla is not happy about it.
*Roslin walks up to Caprica-Six in the corridors of Galactica. She congratulates her on her pregnancy and personally apologizes for the assault in Dogsville. She mentions their shared visions, and Caprica says she has not had them since becoming pregnant. Laura says she has not either and asks if this child is "important." Caprica pretends to not know what she means stating that all children are important and walks off.
*Tyrol walks into [[Joe's Bar]] and orders a drink. Starbuck is there and remarks on how watching Ellen and Tigh felt like watching her parents make out. She asks Tyrol if he has visited Boomer in the brig. He says no. She suggests that he do so while she is sleeping, and says that she could no longer stand to watch Sam sleeping. Tyrol takes a bottle and walks out. Starbuck plays with the bullet removed from Sam's brain.

=== Act 3 ===

*Adama is inspecting the repairs yet again.
*Ellen walks into to Tigh's quarters and tells Caprica-Six they should talk. In explaining her relationship with Saul she lets it slip that they made love, and realizes from the look on Caprica's face that she did not know. Ellen tells her not to worry as their baby is living proof that Tigh loves her. Ellen remarks that they tried to have children earlier, implying that he does not love her as much, and reassures Caprica she will not make him choose between them.
*In Dogsville, Gaius and company are distributing food. Paulla makes a worried remark that when the Marines tried this a riot broke out, but Gaius states that here there are no uniforms, assault rifles or other symbols of oppression. A group of rough-looking men led by [[Enzo]] walk up to them and demands they surrender their food. Gaius defies him and asks his followers to show they are armed. When they nervously do so, Enzo replies "ours are bigger" and the strong-arm men pull out Colonial military sidearms. They take the food and walk away.
*Adama and Tigh are getting drunk. Adama has clearly had more and is constantly refilling his glass. He asks Tigh if there have been any "mythic revelations" since Ellen's return, to which Tigh replies "Nothing new to report, sir." Adama asks if Tigh was actually born on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Tigh nods. Adama states that is "not very machine-like" of him. Tigh jokingly defends his machinehood by saying his "great-grandpa was a power sander." They have a good laugh. Adama confesses to mixed feelings about using Cylon technology to repair ''Galactica'', fearing that she will no longer know who she is, but that combined with Cylons flying CAP, it might just be enough for the fleet to survive. He says that he needs the help of the Cylons in general and Tigh in particular, and Lee and Laura know it. Tigh has no response to this.
*Gaius dresses Paulla down for not telling him that the [[Sons of Ares]] have begun hoarding food. Paulla replies that this should have been obvious. Virtual Six appears and asks Gaius if he really wanted to feed those people, to which he replies that it felt good to help people. Six tells him to give his people the hope that Paulla can't. He proceeds to berate his followers for "lapping up Paulla's icy pragmatism." At Six's prompting he promises to get them "more guns, bigger guns, better guns!" The cultists are quite enthusiastic about the idea.

=== Act 4 ===

*Adama inspects the repairs, again.
*Ellen and Tigh meet alone. He tells her to hate him if she must but ''Galactica'' needs the [[Rebel Basestar]]. She ignores him, asking why he made love to her when his real love is at home. Tyrol and the others enter, leading Tigh to realize that this meeting was anything but private. Ellen says she has voted to join the baseship and they are leaving. Tigh refuses to leave, pointing out the millenia-long cycle of human/machine violence and claiming that only by coming together can either form of intelligence hope to survive. Ellen seems to gloat, pointing out to Caprica-Six that there is something he loves more than her and the baby, namely ''Galactica'' and Adama. Caprica grabs her stomach, groans and falls over.
*In sickbay, Cottle tells Tigh, Ellen and Caprica-Six that the baby is fighting back. Tigh blames Ellen, stating that she should have known what forcing him to choose would mean. She apologizes, saying she was only trying to hurt Saul and of course humans and Cylons should stay together. Caprica yells at them to stop fighting. Ellen walks away, but then walks back to put her hand on Saul's shoulders.
*Adama is once again inspecting the repairs.
*Ellen tells Tigh to talk to the now sleeping Caprica-Six and tell her that he loves her. He tries, but is unable to and asks why he should have to say it when she knows he feels it for all of them.
*Adama is still inspecting the repairs.
*[[Liam]]'s heart rate drops. Caprica-Six begs Cottle to cut him out of her, even if it means her death. Cottle refuses, stating that not even a Cylon baby could possibly survive outside the womb after only four months. Ellen tells her that Tigh loves her more and promises to go to the basestar so that the three of them can be a family. Liam flatlines. Tigh says that it is his fault and he is sorry. Cottle shoos them away. Caprica cries the cry of the bereaved mother.
*Gaius is talking to Lee, Roslin and Adama. Adama refuses to listen at first, saying that he is going to the head for a "project I've been working on." Gaius stops him, warning him that the decreased security in Dogsville resulting from losing so many Marines during the mutiny is causing a revolution to brew. He states that Adama has two options for stopping it. He can either bring Centurions over from the baseship or take the "last human solution" that Baltar is offering him.
*Apparently Adama has agreed to arm Baltar's cultists as some kind of auxiliary security force, as the Marines are passing out assault rifles to them. Paulla is impressed. Gaius clearly has no idea how a rifle works.
*Tyrol comes to visit Boomer in the brig while she is sleeping.
*In sick bay Sam's brain waves suddenly become very active.
*Tigh enters Adama's quarters weeping uncontrollably and nearly collapses. Adama says that Liam is a good name, short for William. Tigh says that "it's not like [[Zak Adama|Zak]]." Adama embraces and comforts him.
*Roslin and Adama are walking arm in arm through the [[memorial hallway]]. Laura notices a Six putting up pictures of the Cylons who have been lost since joining the Fleet. Laura is taken aback, stating "Oh my Gods, it's already happening isn't it?"
*Adama touches the ID of an Eight.

== Notes ==
* [[Joe's Bar]] now has a piano.
* The rebel Cylons have now taken to putting up photos in the [[Memorial hallway]] of those who have died since the start of the alliance.
* Baltar's [[Virtual Six]] appears for the first time since "[[Escape Velocity]]", discounting a deleted farewell scene from "[[The Road Less Traveled]]" (included on the DVD release) that now appears to be moot.
* Moreso than previous episodes, "Deadlock" establishes that the rebel Cylons now have freedom of movement, at least aboard Galactica, with [[Caprica-Six]] seen visiting [[Dogsville]] (for reasons unknown), another Six in the Memorial Hallway, and assorted others working or performing flight duties.
* Roslin addresses Caprica by her name for the first time.

== Analysis ==
*Cylon pilots have begun participating in the CAP with [[Heavy Raider]]s, presumably because of a shortage of Colonial pilots. This could indicate that Adama has stood by his pledge to offer no forgiveness to those involved in the mutiny — like [[Racetrack]], [[Skulls]], and [[Narcho]] — and that they have been either imprisoned, executed, or purged from the military.
*Foster's plan to rebuild a pure Cylon society seems ill-considered even in light of the unborn Tigh baby. There is no evidence that pairings of Number Twos with Number Sixes or Number Eights will suddenly be fertile after so many failures. All the pregnancy really proves is that the Final Five could reproduce with Twos, Sixes, and Eights, which is hardly a broad genetic base.
*In this episode, Ellen Tigh shows more characteristics of the "old Ellen", though she is still more intelligent and compassionate. Adama once said that Ellen brings out Saul's worst instincts; obviously the reverse is also true.

== Questions ==
* Are the Cylons now flying regular joint CAPs with ''Galactica'''s vipers? ([[Someone_to_Watch_Over_Me#Analysis|Answer]])
* What will be the consequences of Baltar's cult being given access to weapons?
* Has Boomer genuinely under her own free will defected with Ellen Tigh from Cavil or is she part of a plot by Cavil either voluntarily under her own free will or programmed? Alternately is she a dupe under her own free will but Cavil knowing how the Eight model acts and Sharon Valerii in particular so well he manipulated her in to "escaping" with Ellen for his own purposes? Is she working for a third party? ([[Someone_to_Watch_Over_Me#Analysis|Answer]])
* Exactly how were Boomer and Ellen able to locate the fleet so easily? How "far" away has the fleet jumped from Earth?
* What will happen to Boomer? ([[Someone_to_Watch_Over_Me|Answer]])
* Why was a random Eight and Six at Anders's side urging Ellen to go to the Baseship and jump away and not Caprica Six and Athena? The same later when Ellen confronted Tigh and made Tigh choose between the baby and Galactica? Caprica Six was there that time but why wasn't Athena?
** Like Tigh, Athena would have never agreed to abandon the Fleet.
* How did the Cylons imagine they could take Anders aboard their Baseship without Starbuck's approval?
* Why has Anders' brain suddenly started showing activity again? What is his exact condition? Does he still possess his Cylon memories?
* Will Caprica seek revenge on Ellen for the death of her unborn child?
* How will the death of Liam affect Ellen and Saul's relationship? How will it affect Saul and Caprica's relationship?
* What was the biological cause of Liam's death?
* How did Ellen and Boomer find the Fleet? Is Cavil tracking them? ([[Someone_to_Watch_Over_Me|Possible Answer]])
** Most probably Cavil knows the location of the Fleet and had sent Boomer. Cavil did not attack the Fleet himself as no resurrection hub is online at the moment and he fears death.
* Why was Tyrol so eager to leave the Fleet? ([[Deadlock#Official Statements|Answer]])
* Is Tyrol able to identify the Eight piloting the Raptor as Boomer due to his personal experience with her, or by the previously demonstrated ability of Cylons to distinguish between copies by sight?
* What has happened to Helo? Is he still recovering from his injuries received in [[The Oath]]? ([[Someone_to_Watch_Over_Me|Answer]])
* Who has been placing photographs of Cylons on the memorial wall? Other Cylons, Colonials or both?
* Will any of the humans object to the Cylon pictures?
* How close will the Cylon and Colonial pilots become now that they fly together? Will the Cylon pilots receive callsigns?
* Why has Baltar's Virtual Six returned after a long absence? This question is even more relevant if the deleted farewell scene in "The Road Less Traveled" is canonical.
* Why was Caprica visiting Dogville?
* Just how close were the Final Five in their former lives?
* Although previous episodes have had Roslin basing herself aboard ''Galactica'' due to her health issue, beginning with this episode it is made clear that her "flag" so to speak, as well as the new Quorum's, is no aboard ''Galactica''. Given the precedent set back in the Miniseries, shouldn't ''Galactica'' now carry the call sign [[Colonial One]]?

== Official Statements ==
*Aaron Douglas addresses the Chief's vote on his livejournal community<ref> http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/150842.html?thread=972858 </ref>:
**Galen does not believe that he and the other Cylons will ever be accepted in the fleet.
**He is the Chief in name only, because Adama asked him to be. This was a recognition of the fact that he is the best person to fix the ship, not true acceptance.
**He has no strong emotional ties to ''Galactica'''s people now that he knows Nicky isn't his son.
*In the Podcast for this episode, RDM mentions that the remaining mutineers (Racetrack, Skulls, etc) were deported to the prison ship the ''[[Astral Queen]]''.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Upon seeing Ellen Tigh emerge from the Raptor:''

:[[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]] (with Starbuck standing right next to him): How many dead chicks are out there?

*''Tyrol examines Boomer for a moment before figuring out who she is''
:[[Galen Tyrol]] (to Boomer): Nice to see you (she smiles; to Adama) This is Boomer.
:Adama: Marines!
:Marine: Sir!
:Adama: Take this Number Eight to the brig!

*''Dr. Cottle remarking to Tory, Tyrol, a Number Six and a Number Eight gathered around Anders's bedside in vigil:''
:[[Cottle]]: Lot of visitors. Just don't anybody unplug anything!

*''Baltar is in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Delegate Lee Adama, and President Roslin. Baltar is urging the Admiral to allow his followers to be armed to do the distribution of food and to keep order and other police work instead of having, eventually, inviting over Cylon Centurions to maintain order and security.''

:Adama (taking to Lee and Roslin): The two of you can stay here listening to this

:Roslin Where are you going?

:Adama: I'm gonna go to the head. Do something constructive. A little project I've been working on.

:Baltar: Listen to me. Admiral!

:Lee (to his father softly, respectfully, but insistently) Just wait...wait (Lee turns to Baltar) Explain what you mean.

:Baltar: What you have right now are starving civilians, (looks down at Roslin) with no representation, no recourse. (looks back to Lee) They're broken, they're exhausted. They've had enough. That is not a mutiny Admiral, that is a revolution.

:Lee: And you think you can maintain order...?

:Baltar (directly to the Admiral who is walking by him): Listen to me! Listen.... '''PLEASE ADMIRAL!''' (Adama stops at the doorway and faces Baltar)

:Baltar: Galactica is slipping away from you, drop by drop. You are pouring Cylon blood into her veins. I see the Cylon pilots (turns to Lee and Roslin) We all see them! (turns back to Adama) We all see the Cylon work force. Where they're going into the far recesses of the ship? When are you inviting the Centurions over, to join in all the fun we're having over here? Of course when you do that, that very moment. this becomes a blended ship. Only half human. And right now I am here to tell you your people...(pauses and then looks over to Roslin).....your people, are not ready for that.

:(looks back to Adama who makes a move to walk out but Baltar catches his arm. Adama looks down and slowly looks up at Baltar but he isn't intimidated)

:Baltar: I am offering you the last human solution you will be ever presented with.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Roark Critchlow]] as Piano Player
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Constanza]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[G. Patrick Currie]] as [[Enzo]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Rebecca Davis]] as [[Naia]]
* [[Merwin Mondesir]] as Marine #1
* [[Tammy Gillis]] played Marine #2
* [[Bear McCreary]] as [[Joe's bar]] patron (uncredited)

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Podcast:Deadlock

2009-04-04T03:08:49Z

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== Teaser ==
Hello, and welcome to the podcast, and this is Ronald D. Moore, executive producer and developer of the new Battlestar Galactica. I am here to welcome you to the podcast for episode 418, "Deadlocked". I'm doing this on the fly, sorta in between meetings, I'm running out of my house to get back to the office and the podcast is late anyway, so unfortunately, not only is the smoking lamp out, but the bar is closed as well.

OK. I will try to do the best I can in terms of giving you some inside information on this particular episode, but as I look through my notes and I went back and looked at the original story document and subsequent drafts, this is one of those episodes that didn't change a hell of a lot as it went from start to finish. Originally this was called "Drowning Woman", which was referring to Galactica herself and her difficulties and drowning and metaphorically probably also into Caprica-Six, as well. Somewhere along the line, I think Jane, decided to change the title to "Deadlocked" which is a perfectly good title.

Getting back to this particular set, I think I think I talked about in the previous podcast, this set is actually sandwiched in between our normal CI- I think this is C- no, no. It's not the CIC. It's- no, I'm sorry. It is the CIC. The CIC set and the back of the stage wall. This set of the superstructure- or the interior structure of Galactica is sorta sandwiched in between there, and we're actually using the actual fire escape as sort of a bit of set decoration.

It was interesting to get back into Dogville. We hadn't been in Dogville for a while in the show, with the people, the civilians, down on the lower decks, which we had taken aboard quite some time ago. And I think that's why this scene is placed here as opposed to where it was in the original draft, which was Caprica-Six walking down just the hallways of Galactica and set upon by thugs from the Sons of Ares in that context, and I think we moved it back over here during the production process to sort of- it's a more visually interesting scene. It's also sort of reminding you of the- that we do have all these civilians on board and sort of setting up this two-tier situation aboard Galactica. We have the military operations and the military personnel and we've also got the refugees and survivors of all the various holocausts down below.

This is, obviously, a very heavy Caprica-Six/Tigh/Ellen episode. We talked early on in the season about bringing this to- this culmination eventually. I think after Caprica-Six was impregnated by Tigh, we weren't quite sure where we wanted to go with that. I think we sort of- I kinda remember the discussion in the room when the writers first pitched it to me and they said, "And Tigh- or Cottle tells Adama that Tigh's pregnant," and the writers all looked at me and I just kinda laughed and said, "God, I fuckin' love that." And they laughed too. And we- and I said, "Where does that go?" And they kinda shrugged and said, "Well we don't know." And I said, "Well, I love it. Let's do it." So we just decided let's do it and it was gonna be an exploration of love and love from- hot Cylon on Cylon sex, and all that kind of stuff. And it was also just an opportunity to add a different layer of complexity into the series because obviously the series is not complex enough.

This sequence up here is interesting in that it shows the Galactica Vipers are actually joined in the CAP, the combat air patrol, by the Cylon Raiders and that they're now flying joint CAP missions, which I thought was really interesting. A lot of the story here in the second half of the last season has been about the gr- they way the Cylons and the humans- in the Colonial Fleet are inevitably moving closer and closer toward one another and being forced by circumstances to have to share certain duties and responsibilities and one of them, being the CAP, felt like it was one of the most visually interesting ways to do that and it would go a long ways for telling you that the cooperation had gone to a new level.

This arrival of Ellen Tigh back on Galactica is obviously very reminicent, and deliberately so, of the- of when- of the episode when Ellen came back aboard- came aboard Galactica for the first time way back in season one. The shot of the Raptor door opening on to Ellen's leg. I really like this little beat, that Tyrol can tell that it's Boomer, just like sight uns- just like at first sight. He can look at her and he can tell her- he can tell that.

We- Boomer was a character that for a while in the series we had almost lost track of. We knew that she had resurrected back with the Cylons and we kept like dropping her into little things here and there over the course of time during the New Caprica arc, and so on, but she didn't have a strong role to play for a while. We married her up, so to speak, not literally married her up, with the character of Cavil to play their relationship and play someone for Cavil to deal with. But it took a while to come up with something for Boomer and we never quite gave up on it. There were times, certainly, when it seemed like it was never gonna happen, but I think the writers in particular were determined that Boomer was a large thread that deserved to be tied up by the end of the series and I tended to agree in that she was one of the original characters in the miniseries, and I mean the miniseries itself actually ends on a shot of Boomer, of her saying, "By your command." And it felt right that in the final episodes we come back and we revisit her storyline and we give her an ending to her tale as well. So, Boomer's story does continue here. And that's the end of the tease.


==Act 1==
Beginning of the act.

Just to continue that thought. We did start talking seriously about a Boomer thread about midpoint in the season and how was Boomer going to tie in with the rest of the show. It changed. I can't really talk about the way it changed yet, on this podcast, because clearly we have episodes yet to go and the alternate route that we went down and then subsequently discarded after the writers' strike did involve Boomer as well, and Ellen, and Tigh, and that was all discarded and I can't really talk about that until you've seen the end, so I don't know when I'll get around to that. I'll do that in some interview or maybe in the podcast for the final episode, or something.

Originally, in the original draft, Tigh did not greet her in the Raptor scene, yeah, in the scene where the Raptor comes aboard Galactica. They- the Raptor was met by Laura and Ro- and Adama and then Tigh didn't see her until the end of this scene, actually. You came back in Act One and this all played itself out where she was debriefed and talking about what had happened, and then there was a beat and I think they let Tigh in, or Tigh came, or something. Their reunion was actually at the end of this scene, but it seemed to play much stronger to have the actual reuniting of the two characters in the tease so you could get there and go, "Whoah. Doesn't he have a girlfriend who's pregnant?" and kinda get those elements going forward. I really like the fact that Ellen is still drinking. I like that she's still Ellen Tigh. She's very much the Ellen that we've always known in the show, but she's something more. We're seeing that the aspects of Ellen as- in terms of her being a handful, her being a difficult character, her being- her own- that she's very much a character who owns her own shit. I don't think she blames the world for a lot of her own problems. But she's kinda defiant in terms of her likes, dislikes, and her appetites. And I thought that it was good to say that that really is Ellen. That when their memories- when the Final Five, their memories were wiped, and they were reinserted into human society, that what really came to the fore was the fac- were their personalities as it were, their- the default aspects of their personalities came forward and so the people that we've known over the course of the series are really who they are. We just didn- we, and they just didn't really know that they were Cylons at the time.

The sensuality here of Ellen and Tigh was something I always liked. I mean, it was right in the miniseries. That Ellen slept with half the Fleet and Tigh was sensitive about it. I like that they just go at here in the ward room, and even Tigh's like, "Errr! Just go for it, lassie." And then there's this moment of looking up and being confused and Caprica-Six. I mean, it's really psychologically complex stuff for Tigh, his feelings and what his feelings really are and how they affect things. Now, you'll notice that we we're drawing a connection, dramatically, between Tigh's feelings for Ellen and then later for Adama, and the child that Caprica-Six is carrying and her success, or lack of success, in being able to carry that child. Well, I'll come back to that a little bit later.

The situation down here in Dogville. One of the things that we talked about doing- I think when this story was originally structured and broken, Baltar didn't return to the Galactica quite as quickly as he does here, but as we were making changes in the earlier episodes, in particular Michael Angeli's episode, where Baltar was over on the baseship and has second thoughts about what he was doing and why he fled, I think that then dominoed out and we redid this part of Baltar's story as well, to bring him back to his people a little faster. Really like the character of Paula. She's turned into a really interesting one, over the course of the past couple seasons, in terms of how she interacts with Baltar, what that's all about. I like this- we talked extensively in the room about Baltar's role with these people upon his return. Who would want to follow him, who wouldn't? And what Baltar's all about. His sense of responsibility for leaving, or his sense of irresponsibility for leaving is probably closer to the mark. And what he's after when he comes back. What's his real relationship with "God" at this point? What is he trying to do? And it seemed to me that Baltar is driven primarily, as a character, he's been driven by guilt and self-loathing, and remorse, ever since the beginning of the series. And that those qualities would- I not sure they're qualities, but those aspects of his character would come to the fore here as well. Here's another apocalyptic moment, although in a smaller scale, obviously, that the miniseries, an apocalyptic event in their lives. He flees Galactica. He leaves these people behind to meet their fate. And now he's returning. Something he didn't do in the miniseries. He goes back to try to take responsibility for his people. To try to actually lead them. To try to actually help them. And his rivalry with Paula for leadership of the group, and whether he would be welcomed back or not, was also an ex- a source of extensive conversation.

I love this. That Ellen knows, like, right away, that Saul slept with somebody. Husbands, don't think that your wives don't know. Don't say it. Don't tell her. I thought of you. I love that. I thought of you. I actually saw her. [Laughs]. It's a really interesting little moment in these two people and the knowledge of Ellen and the larger view of who they are, and Saul reacting just like a man and trying to deal with the situation. I think in the script, in early drafts of the script, she had- she actually had some candidates who she said, "Oh, I bet it was so and so. Was it the president? Was it this woman? Was it- Don't tell me it was that woman with the one tooth, or something." It was some bizarre reference that was pretty funny but got excised somewhere along the way.

I was saying earlier- We're drawing this direct- oh, this is different.

This thing of the gathering of the Final Five. We knew that, as writers we knew, that the audience was going to expect something to happen when the Final Five were all in the same room together, so we decided to try to get that outta the way as soon as possible and that everyone would kinda have an expectation that if the final five all got in the same room that there would be some revelation, there would be some moment. There would be something. And we liked the idea of nothing happening, and just not say that there was some mystical thing that was gonna occur. But to really play, instead, just the fact that Ellen knows all of them and remembers all has this larger awareness, which Anders did have briefly and incompletely as he was going in and out of consciousness before. And to just play this as a reunion and play this more on the personal level than on the metaphysical.

[Coughs.] Excuse me.

And it felt right. I mean, a lot of this just- a lot of the plot at this point in the show and in the series came out of what we just felt were the logical next moves. And I find that a lot of my own writing on the page and in the room as a storyteller comes from saying, "Well, what would they really do? What would be the logical next move for them to make?" And people are always saying that the characters tell you what they're gonna say next and that is true, in a sense. The characters have predispositions to do things. They have characteristics. They have back stories. They have points of view. They have psychological complexities, and on a certain level, the characters will drive you in a certain direction. In this instance it felt like, to us, that once the Final Five were reunited the other Cylons, the other skinjobs, would logically say, "Well, let's get the hell outta Dodge. Let's- you're the Final Five. We are your people on a s- in a very real sense. Let's just go. Let's just get the frak outta here." End of the act.

==Act 2==
And we're back. I love the pregnancy thing. And Ellen's reveal- Ellen's realization of it. Yeah, and Galen trying to bring 'em back to the point here. That was actually something we had to- we had to very carefully- there was a significant discussion in the writers' room of how this vote was gonna go, who was gonna be on what side, and how they were gonna decide one way or the other. Did it have to be unanimous? Was it democratic? It felt like we had established, pretty firmly, in the Cylon mythology that they had always gone with majority rules, and so it felt like that was something that they probably got from the Final Five, or their sense of democracy, or their sense of fair play. And we wanted to create that in microcosm here among the Final Five and we- I think there was a point where- Oh, wait. Sorry. Got distracted. Yeah. The- I was gonna say the Anders thing. We- there was a point where we were- it felt like everything was gonna be split down the middle because Anders had no vote, and then we decided, no, no, no. If Anders says something in the previous episode, back in seventeen, if Anders in- clearly says "Stay with the Fleet," if that's one of the last things he says and that people remember that, his vote can go counted into this.

And then the trick was to- we wanted the swing vote to be Ellen. We wanted to get to a place where some where saying, "Stay," some where saying, "Go," and that it all came down to Ellen Tigh, which made her the fulcrum of the episode and her complicated feelings about the pregnancy, and about Tigh, and about the right and the wrong of it, and then everything would get clouded by her own personal point of view, was something that we decided that we wanted to play.

I like the way James plays all this, at this point in Baltar's story. The way Baltar- when he returns to the ship and his reactions to these people as he walks through Dogville. This is- you sense him genuinely trying. At least I do. I think it's a really interesting shading of the character that James gave to his performance in all these. You can really feel him trying to step up a bit. He's trying to reach out on genuine human levels and he's trying to do things without manipulation, and he's trying to do what he thinks, in his head, is the moral and right thing to do, even though it's kind of undercut by the fact that he's also in this power struggle with Paulla, and I think he's clearly trying to reestablish his sense of authority and power here, but he's trying to do it from what he thinks is the right point of view. And I sense it all in his- in James' performance, throughout, which I just think is really intriguing. I like the choice of giving him the shawl here that gives him a somewhat biblical flavor to it all. His eagerness to be believed. His eagerness for the people to want to believe him. And the look to Paulla.

I think- I can't be certain, 'cause I don't remember if I saw it in the script or not, but I think that little bit of Laura saying, "I don't think I've ever called you a name before," that might have been Mary- either Mary's idea or Mary's improv. I wouldn't swear to it. I should probably ask Jane, 'cause she would know, but I do these podcasts on my own, so what can I tell ya?

A lot of this is now trying to sew pieces together. As you can see, the visions, the opera house, Caprica-Six, the baby, the one God that Baltar's constantly referring to. There's a lot of really trying in these last few episodes of weaving together the cloth that is ultimately going to be this large tapestry by the time the finale is over. And some of it's just hard to talk about because I can't really tell you about where these storylines are going and how they all come together, and so that why I'm kinda groping a bit. I'm also groping a bit because this was about the time in the season when my attention really started being drawn towards the finale. Right about the time that the second draft of this script was written, which was toward the- which was mid to- that's an important little beat there about the piano. You'll learn more about that in the next episode. Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to say is right about the time that this episode was complet- was in the final writing stages and as it was being shot was when I was really starting to focus on the finale. This was- the second draft on this was written like mid to late April of 2008, and my notes show that we started breaking the finale almost at that exact same time. So, this and the next two episodes were really done mostly by the writers in the room. I mean, Jane obviously wrote- I hadn't actually taken a whack at polishing scripts in the fourth season for quite some time. The closest I did was to do those writes- those pages on the Cavil-Ellen story, if that was originally from my episode but then ultimately went to Ryan's episode in seventeen. But from this point until the end, a lot of my time was spent break- in the break of the final episode and then trying to crank out the draft of the final episode. And essentially I was reading these drafts of this, nineteen, and twenty, giving notes, but trying to get back to my teleplay. And it was getting frustrating, actually. It was getting very frustrating because it was a two hour finale, so that's like the length of a feature film, and that takes more time obviously, and it was also, it's the finale of not just the season, it's the finale of the entire series and I wanted it be good and I wanted it to live up to my expectations of what I wanted it to be, and the more I got pulled to some of these other duties that I had of- the Caprica pilot was in pre-production, Virtuality pilot was in pre-production, these shows were in production. There was just a lot of crap in my email, a lot of call backs, and I was getting more and more annoyed every time I got fuckin' pulled away. And as a result, my memory of decisions and storylines are limited to the original break sessions on these and going back and combing through notes on the scripts themselves, and a lot of this just plays pretty much as I remembered this playing. I remember that the important thing to me was these- were these moments of Caprica-Six with Ellen Tigh and the triangle that was involved here of Ellen, Saul, and Caprica, and wanting to bring that to a conclusion.

The- I was- earlier I alluded to the fact that we were tying things together. That- as Saul's feelings for Ellen come rise up and later as they - as his feelings for Bill Adama are made clear, the child that Caprica-Six is carrying starts to go into distress. We wanted to play this where you could kinda read it either way, which was always an important thing in the series, in that we wanted to be able to read this either as a metaphysical connection on a level of, "Did God's true love allow the child to be conceived? Would God's true love allow the baby to be born? And if Saul's feelings were not true, if he was not really in love with Caprica-Six, or couldn't love her in the way that she wanted to, would she lose the child?" That's one way to look at it. The other way was to look at it that is was more practical. It was more prosaic, really. It was that no Cylon-Cylon pairing had ever produced a child. Presumably, there had been pregnancies and conceptions, but none had ever taken it to term, and that no true Cylon child have ever really been born, and that this was just the natural progression of yet another failed Cylon-Cylon pairing. And that essentially the pregnancy was doomed from the beginning, like all Cylon pregnancies were. And we wanted the episode to be read either way. Many times in the course of the series we've tried to present the sh- the story in a way that you could wri- read things either way, where you could read certain events as being coincidence and certain events- or certain events as being divinely inspired or divinely motivated. We wanted to keep walking that line, moving back and forth across it, keeping the audience off-balance and also allowing the audience to read into what they chose to read into, in the same way that some of the characters would. That some of the characters would choose to put a metaphysical or supernatural explanation on events and other characters would not. That said, there were definitely moments in the show when I felt that I wanted something that could not be explained by rational means. The fact that- or it's just wildly coincidental. Like in- in the episode "[[33]]", when Baltar prays and at the moment he prays and says he trusts in God, Laura gives the order and the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' is destroyed. There's no rational connection between those two. End of the act.

== Act 3 ==
And just continuing the thought. There's no rational connection between those two events, and yet Baltar saw a supernatural connection between the events. It's an extraordinary coincidence that those things would happen in the order that they did. So if you- so the rational- the mind would have to deny that there's- any connection and that, well, the universe is a crazy place and weird shit happens all the time, but that doesn't mean there's a divine- hand behind it all, but that Baltar, especially given his circumstance as somebody is actually talking to him, would actually take a different point of view. And in this episode I wanted to have- I wanted to be able to look at it both ways, as opposed to having a clear definitive "hand of God" moment.

I like this thing where Tigh and Adama are drinking again. Tigh had been holding off for a little bit, had been laying off the juice and Adama was getting deeper into it, and now Adama pulls Tigh into his drinking circle, which I thought was an interesting reversal of their two roles. This is an interesting thought as well. I like the idea that Adama- he's held onto this idea- he wouldn't network the computers in the miniseries. Each step towards making the- connecting the Cylons to the ''Galactica'', to his ship, to his woman, were like taking pieces out of his hide all the way through the show. And at this point where she's literally starting to fall apart and the only way to save her is through Cylon technology and Cylon help, that this would really start to eat away at the marrow of Adama, the same way that Laura's cancer is eating away at her from the inside.

It's nice to bring Capr- not Cap- Head-Six back. We'd been away from her for a little while, but we wanted to- it was important that we start to reposit her here so that subsequent events can play and we can feel the fact that she's back in the show. I think we're ver- we actually had written scenes in earlier episodes and then took them out where she appeared and Baltar kinda went, "Oh! Geez! Where have you been?" And there was a bigger sense of her coming back. We played a little bit of that now, but I think we were trying to make a bigger- deal of it in stories, but I think I kinda excised those because I didn't wanna draw attention to the fact that she had been gone so long and make a bigger deal out of it than it was. We just didn't want her to show up just to have her keep showing up. We wanted to use her effectively and that meant she couldn't keep showing up to say nothing, really. She should only show up when she had something to say. But, I liked the idea that off-camera, in the life the all the characters are living beyond the frame, that she probably did still continue to visit Baltar and that- so he wouldn't be completely shocked and like have a whole reaction when she showed up on-camera, to the audience.

<chuckles.> Three minutes.

I liked the idea, as we got into the final few episodes, of playing the many changes that had come to ''Galactica''. And that one of the big changes was this idea that there were places on the ship that people could not really go down safely anymore. That once- the mutiny went down, and they had to essentially ship off a whole boat load of mutineers, you know, like Racetrack, and Skulls, and other people who had sided with Gaeta, were shipped off of ''Galactica'', off to the prison ship, and that now what was a fairly small crew to begin with relative to ''Galatica'''s size was even smaller. And that as a result of that and the story that had taken place down through the years, the interior of this vast ship itself had become somewhat honeycombed with different pockets of authority. That the marines- the marine detachment onboard, which would provide security to ''Galactica'', was really- had its hands full just trying to provide security for the really vital areas of the ship. The engine room, the life support, the nuclear warheads, the command and control functions, the main gun batteries, the launch bays. The places to keep ''Galactica'' running and safe and to keep the ship safe from Cylon attack were probably over-taxing her resources. That essentially there just weren't enough marines to go around and there weren't enough regular officers to go around and they had kind of made an accommodation with that where essentially Dogville and other areas of the ship were given over to civilians and that they more or less ran their own affairs in those areas. Now, in the wake of the mutiny, when ''Galactica'''s complement was even lower, a different situation has arisen where they can't even begin to pretend like they're in control of the whole ship, and there are areas where Adama can't even walk down a corridor without it being a dangerous thing. Where essentially the civilians are starting to have to fend for themselves and ''Galactica'' herself is becoming hollow, in a real sense. She could probably still fight off a Cylon attack, more or less, but all of her defenses are outward and few defenses are now inward, and people like the followers of Gaius Baltar and the Sons of Ares are fighting their own private gang wars down in her corridors and that's- it's not so much being allowed to happen as it is it happens. They don't have the resources to deal with their internal problems anymore. Which tells you that life on this ship is starting to have a significant half-life associated to it. That there's- they've taken so many blows and there's been so many wounds to the people onboard and the ship herself that you can kinda see that the end is inevitable. The end is coming. This is not a sustainable way of life aboard this ship.

The nature of the relationship between Ellen and Tigh just- I think it's really interesting. It's- it was born in a very "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" kind of feeling between these two that clawed at one another and loved to claw at one another and hate to claw at one another, who hurt, and are hurt over and over again and yet can never quite be torn apart from one another.

End of the act.

==Act 4==
And just to finish that thought, and now- as we get into where they are at this point, even knowing who they are, even knowing their true natures and realizing that they're thousands of years old, that they're com- incredibly sophisticated, complex machines, that they're even more sophisticated than the skinjob Cylons, and have this- these enormous word views and understanding of the cosmological nature of the universe, they're still people on some level. They're- machines but the Final Five are people and they're still crippled and they're still damaged by their own flaws and their own failing and their- and they still reach for their own sense of nobility and they still strive towards the light a bit but they're unable to grasp it. I don't know. I just find the Tighs- the battling Tighs to be endlessly fascinating and I've always loved the fact that we decided to bring Ellen aboard ''Galactica'' way back in the first season. Even though that wasn't something I ever anticipated doing in the miniseries. I assumed she was dead. Had no real plans to bring her back. And was kind of hesitant when we decided to bring her back, 'cause I thought it would be seen as just a trick and that- I didn't want- I was kinda adamant that I didn't want to keep having family members and old friends popping up in this little civilian fleet when billions of people had died and you turn around and, "Oh, hey! There's my wife." So we did it, and I tried to keep it to essentially that, and not have it keep happening. And then it became more important that Ellen- had came back for a reason. That she had a larger purpose in the drama and that we played that. And that's- the way I do the show overall. A lot of times you take a- or- I take a jump, or a leap, and say, "OK, let's go there, even though I don't know quite know where that's going to go, but let's go there because I think it's interesting and my instinct tells me that there's something there to play." But then you need to honor that and you need to try to stick with it and say, "OK. Well, if we're going in this odd direction, if we're bringing Ellen Tigh back, in violation of the rule that I set out at the beginning, well then it has to be meaningful. Then I want a reason why we're going there. I want a reason why she's back with Saul, ultimately. I want to know what that's all about." And she becomes more important in the story. At first she's serving as a dramatic foil for him and she's giving us a different voice in the show beyond just the military, which I like, and then ultimately she was the element that knitted the Final Five together, really, for me and for the audience.

See? I like this intercut between Adama looking at the dying ship and Saul with his dying child, and just- it's beautifully done. I mean this is- Bob Young directed this episode and he has- just a natural feel for where the drama in the scene is. He has a- he shoots everything from the psychological standpoint, meaning going to where the emotion is and where the intention is of a scene or a character of a given moment, and you can just kinda feel as we go through it, it's pretty much a seamless piece. There's really- you're- the cuts all feel natural and flow from one to the next and he's intercutting between the scenes at the appropriate time. I look back at the notes from the network on the cut when they got the cut. I had made very few changes in it. I think Jane had taken a whack at polishing a few cuts here and there, but I don't think she made a lot of changes, and the network had very few, if any, notes. They just kinda said, "We love it. Here's a couple of little suggestions and thoughts." But this is one of those that pretty much was as it was intended from beginning to end, which is really a testament to Jane and to Bob.

Here again, we're drawing that connection between his feelings of truth and love and what is true and what's not true, and between the life of this child, and you can choose to deci- I mean, certainly we the storytellers are leading you to believe that there's a direct connection and that that's what caused the miscarriage and caused the child to die. But logically I don't think Cottle walks away from that scene with that. I think Cottle has a very different take on it.

Baltar really giving voice to what the state of affairs is, truly, of the people. Truly Baltar is actually giving voice, and he's speaking for many people outside the walls and outside the- frame, again. Again, you could really just play this episode, you could watch this back to back with the next episode, with the next, to the next, all the way to the final frame of the series to this point. We're really just telling one story. I mean, there is a bit of a shape to these episodes. Certainly the last episode was its own- had its own narrative and its own unique structure in and of itself as Anders was remembering and cross cutting to Ellen and all that. But even that is simply another chapter in the same book. I mean, now we're moving just forward into telling the stories and moving things forward, and you can read the narrative just straight through from here to the end.

And see? It's a fact that they're much more capable of defending themselves and being in charge of their own security and having security in the hands of Gaius and his followers makes much more sense than to try to maintain this idea of the security with the overstretched marines who are maintaining control of like the truly vital areas of ''Galactica'' but probably can't do much in terms of civilian crowd control.

And no, we haven't forgotten about Boomer and there's certainly much more to play between these two coming up very soon.

And there's more to play here. There's just more to play. Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting run from here to the end, that's for sure.

It's- a lovely relationship, these two men. I mean, it's great that- I can't think of another television series that's really had a strong friendship like this and love between two men that were as old as these two men are in pow- in positions of authority and- they both- we've been with them through various heartbreaks and emotions and difficult times and that relationship between Adama and Tigh has lasted and continues to last even in spite of everything else that's happened and I just think that's great. I think that's one of the real strengths of the series.

It's a dif- it's becoming a different ship. It's becoming a different community, here aboard ''Galactica''. It's a different idea of what it means to be a community. To who they accept into their ranks and who they accept as people. It was always about, "Who do you accept as people?" Did the humans accept the Cylons as people? Could they ever allow themselves to accept them as people. And that small gesture. Putting the pictures of Cylons on the memorial wall, which is probably- if there's a sacred place aboard ''Galactica'', this is where it is, is this place where they remember the people that they've lost and the fact that they're allowing these photographs of Cylons to be added to it I think is an enormous step in the life of these characters and in the life of the series.

Well, there you have it. That's the podcast for eighteen. Hope you enjoyed it, and I will- now I will get in my car and drive to work and go talk about visual effects for the finale. So, until next time, this is Ronald D. Moore. Good night, and good luck.

Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts

2009-04-04T03:06:47Z

Steelviper: /* The Oath */

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This project is meant to coordinate and standardize the transcription of [[Ronald D. Moore]]'s freely available episode podcasts. Our goal is to produce a searchable text repository for purposes of citation. At this time, we will only be transcribing freely available podcasts from [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php SciFi.com], not additonal DVD commentaries. Ron D. Moore and [[David Eick]] have recorded commentary tracks for the [[Miniseries]] (also including director [[Michael Rymer]]), "[[33]]", "[[Bastille Day]]", "[[Act of Contrition]]", and "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]". However, they have not been put up online for free but are only available in the [[Battlestar Galactica - Season One (Region 1 DVD)|Season 1 DVD]] set. Therefore, transcripts of these are not provided here, though relevant quotes may be found sourced in certain articles on Battlestar Wiki.

This project is a daughter of the [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|Citation Jihad]].

==Standards==

===Namespace===
Podcast transcripts should be named after the episode to which they correspond with the addition of the (podcast) namespace, for example, [[Podcast:Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]].

===Structure===
Begin each podcast article with [[Template:Podcast Data|the podcast data template]].

Use first-level headings to divide Teaser and Act breaks. Make each heading an offsite link to the appropriate podcast segment (if it exists), e.g.

==[<nowiki>http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/109/bsg_ep109_1of5.mp3</nowiki> Teaser]==

Try to break up RDM's comments into paragraphs along topical lines.

===Transcription===
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"I think it's a very good movie, one that I always thought was a— y'know, prime for us to do a riff on."

Generally, you may ignore emphasis except where RDM's tone is critical to the interpretation of a statement (e.g. sarcasm).

===Links===
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Also do not be afraid of adding {{tl|Podcastref}} to a podcast where important information is being said. This is useful for citing information using the {{tl|cite podcast}} template.

===Corrections===
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===Application===
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=== Podcasts Needing Transcribing===
==== Season 3 podcasts ====

===== [[Podcast:The Son Also Rises Bonus|The Son Also Rises Bonus Podcast]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/mark_1/bonus_ep_318_pod_mark_sheppard.mp3 Full Podcast]

===== [[Podcast:Crossroads, Part I Bonus|Crossroads, Part I Bonus Podcast]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/mark_2/bonus_ep_319_pod_mark_sheppard.mp3 Full Podcast]

===== [[Podcast:Crossroads, Part II Bonus|Crossroads, Part II Bonus Podcast]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/mark_3/bonus_ep_320_pod_mark_sheppard.mp3 Full Podcast]

==== Season 4 podcasts ====

===== [[Podcast:Revelations|Revelations]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/406/bsg_ep412_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]

=== Transcription In Progress ===
====Season 3 podcasts====
=====[[Podcast:A Day in the Life Bonus|A Day in the Life Bonus Podcast]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/bonus_edit_session/edit_pod_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Hour 1 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.) [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
*Hour 2 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Hour 3 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:Frak Party Q and A|Frak Party Q and A]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/frak_party/frak_party_podcast.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Introduction (Transcribed: [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 08:25, 24 April 2007 (CDT) Verified: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:48, 1 May 2007 (CDT).)
*Act 4 of "Crossroads, Part II" (Transcribed [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 08:25, 24 April 2007 (CDT) Verified: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:05, 1 May 2007 (CDT).)
*Discussion (Transcribed: -. Verified: —.) [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]

==== Season 4 podcasts ====
=====[[Podcast:He That Believeth In Me|He That Believeth In Me]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/403/bsg_ep403_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 12:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.) [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
*Act 2 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.) [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
*Act 3 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.) [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
*Act 4 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.) [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]

===== [[Podcast:The Hub|The Hub]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/406/bsg_ep411_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Iphthime|Iphthime]] 31 August 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:The Face of the Enemy|The Face of the Enemy]] =====
[http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=870861 Webisode 1 with Writer Commentary]
*Part 1 (Transcribed: [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 7 January 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Part 2 (Transcribed: [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 8 January 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Part 3 (Transcribed: [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 18 January 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Part 4 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Part 5 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Part 6 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
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*Part 9 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Part 10 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:A Disquiet Follows My Soul|A Disquiet Follows My Soul]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/414/bsg_ep414_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: genji2000. Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: genji2000. Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:Blood on the Scales|Blood on the Scales]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/416/bsg_ep416_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 04:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)

==== Misc ====
=====[[Podcast:The Battlestar Roundtable]]=====
* Introduction (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
* Hour One (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
* Hour Two (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)
* Hour Three (Transcribed: —. Verified: —.)

=== Verification Required ===

====Season 1 podcasts====
=====[[Podcast:Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]=====
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/113/bsg_ep113_1of5.mp3 Teaser] (Transcribed: [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:41, 16 August 2006 (CDT). Verified: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:33, 17 August 2006 (CDT).)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/113/bsg_ep113_2of5.mp3 Act 1] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:12, 17 November 2006 (CST). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/113/bsg_ep113_3of5.mp3 Act 2] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:11, 20 November 2006 (CST). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/113/bsg_ep113_4of5.mp3 Act 3] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:14, 20 November 2006 (CST). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/113/bsg_ep113_5of5.mp3 Act 4] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:34, 17 November 2006 (CST). Verified: —.)

====Season 2 podcasts====

===== [[Podcast:Valley of Darkness|Valley of Darkness]]=====
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/202/bsg_ep202_1of5.mp3 Teaser] (Transcribed: [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:42, 28 September 2006 (CDT). Verified: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:31, 29 September 2006 (CDT).)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/202/bsg_ep202_2of5.mp3 Act 1] (Transcribed: [[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:21, 9 October 2006 (CDT). Verified: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:33, 11 October 2006 (CDT).)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/202/bsg_ep202_3of5.mp3 Act 2] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:58, 21 November 2006 (CST). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/202/bsg_ep202_4of5.mp3 Act 3] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:34, 21 November 2006 (CST). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/202/bsg_ep202_5of5.mp3 Act 4] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:40, 21 November 2006 (CST). Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:Resistance|Resistance]] =====
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/204/bsg_ep204_1of5.mp3 Teaser] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:06, 12 October 2006 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/204/bsg_ep204_2of5.mp3 Act 1] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:18, 12 October 2006 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/204/bsg_ep204_3of5.mp3 Act 2] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:39, 13 October 2006 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/204/bsg_ep204_4of5.mp3 Act 3] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:08, 13 October 2006 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/204/bsg_ep204_5of5.mp3 Act 4] (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:34, 13 October 2006 (CDT). Verified: —.)

====Season 3 podcasts====
=====[[Podcast:A Day in the Life|A Day in the Life]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/315/bsg_ep315_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:18, 27 February 2007 (CST). Verified: [[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 14:40, 3 March 2007 (CST).)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:44, 28 February 2007 (CST). Verified: [[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 13:05, 4 March 2007 (CST).)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:05, 1 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:47, 1 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:12, 2 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)

=====[[Podcast:Dirty Hands|Dirty Hands]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/316/bsg_ep316_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:42, 2 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:38, 2 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:01, 6 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:01, 6 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:58, 6 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)

=====[[Podcast:Maelstrom|Maelstrom]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/317/bsg_ep317_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:11, 16 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:59, 13 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:46, 7 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:59, 7 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:47, 8 March 2007 (CST). Verified: —.)

=====[[Podcast:The Son Also Rises|The Son Also Rises]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/318/bsg_ep318_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:08, 12 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:29, 16 March 2007 (CDT))
*Act 1 (Transcribed: --[[User:Zarek Rocks| Zarek Rocks]] 12:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC).)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:22, 14 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: --[[User:Zarek Rocks| Zarek Rocks]] 23:25, 14 March 2007 (CDT).)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:49, 15 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: --[[User:Zarek Rocks| Zarek Rocks]] 22:29, 15 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 08:19, 16 March 2007 (CDT).)

=====[[Podcast:Crossroads, Part I|Crossroads, Part I]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/319/bsg_ep319_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Zarek Rocks|Zarek Rocks]] 21:37, 19 March 2007 (CDT) Verified: [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT).)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: [[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:07, 22 March 2007 (CDT).)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:02, 21 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:45, 22 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: --[[User:Zarek Rocks|Zarek Rocks]] 17:54, 21 March 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)

=====[[Podcast:Crossroads, Part II|Crossroads, Part II]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/320/bsg_ep320_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:58, 10 April 2007 (CDT). Verified: --[[User:Zarek Rocks|Zarek Rocks]] 22:12, 3 May 2007 (CDT).)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:07, 11 April 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: --[[User:Zarek Rocks|Zarek Rocks]] 22:30, 11 April 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 12 April 2007 (CDT). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:39, 13 April 2007 (CDT). Verified: --[[User:Zarek Rocks|Zarek Rocks]] 11:31, 15 April 2007 (CDT).)

==== Season 4 podcasts ====

=====[[Podcast:Escape Velocity|Escape Velocity]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/406/bsg_ep406_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)

=====[[Podcast:The Road Less Traveled|The Road Less Traveled]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/407/bsg_ep407_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)

=====[[Podcast:Faith|Faith]]=====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/408/bsg_ep408_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 04:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:Sometimes A Great Notion|Sometimes A Great Notion]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/413/bsg_ep413_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 05:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 04:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:The Oath|The Oath]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/415/bsg_ep415_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 04:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)

===== [[Podcast:Deadlock|Deadlock]] =====
[http://media.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/418/bsg_ep418_FULL.mp3 Full Podcast]
*Teaser (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 1 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 2 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 3 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)
*Act 4 (Transcribed: [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 03:06, 4 April 2009 (UTC). Verified: —.)

=== Transcription Complete ===
====Season 1 podcasts====
*[[Podcast:Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down|Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]
*[[Podcast:The Hand of God|The Hand of God]]
*[[Podcast:Colonial Day|Colonial Day]]
*[[Podcast:Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]
====Season 2 podcasts====
*[[Podcast:Scattered|Scattered]]
*[[Podcast:The Farm|The Farm]]
*[[Podcast:Home, Part I|Home, Part I]]
*[[Podcast:Home, Part II|Home, Part II]]
*[[Podcast:Flight of the Phoenix|Flight of the Phoenix]]
*[[Podcast:Pegasus|Pegasus]]
*[[Podcast:Resurrection Ship, Part I|Resurrection Ship, Part I]]
*[[Podcast:Resurrection Ship, Part II|Resurrection Ship, Part II]]
*[[Podcast:Epiphanies|Epiphanies]]
*[[Podcast:Black Market|Black Market]]
*[[Podcast:Scar|Scar]]
*[[Podcast:Sacrifice|Sacrifice]]
*[[Podcast:The Captain's Hand|The Captain's Hand]]
*[[Podcast:Final Cut|Final Cut]]
*[[Podcast:Downloaded|Downloaded]]
*[[Podcast:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
*[[Podcast:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
====Season 3 podcasts====
*[[Podcast:Occupation|Occupation]]
*[[Podcast:Precipice|Precipice]]
*[[Podcast:Exodus, Part I|Exodus, Part I]]
*[[Podcast:Exodus, Part II|Exodus, Part II]]
*[[Podcast:Collaborators|Collaborators]]
*[[Podcast:Torn|Torn]]
*[[Podcast:A Measure of Salvation|A Measure of Salvation]]
*[[Podcast:Hero|Hero]]
*[[Podcast:Unfinished Business|Unfinished Business]]
*[[Podcast:The Passage|The Passage]]
*[[Podcast:The Eye of Jupiter|The Eye of Jupiter]]
*[[Podcast:Rapture|Rapture]]
*[[Podcast:Taking a Break From All Your Worries|Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]
*[[Podcast:The Woman King|The Woman King]]
====Season 4 podcasts====
*[[Podcast:Six of One|Six of One]]
*[[Podcast:The Ties That Bind|The Ties That Bind]]

==Disputes==
Members of Battlestar Wiki with experience in acoustic phonetics are listed below. They may be able to help with pronunciation issues.

*[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]]

[[Category:Podcasts|*]]

Podcast:Deadlock

2009-04-04T03:02:58Z

Steelviper: /* Act 4 */finished podcast

== Teaser ==
Hello, and welcome to the podcast, and this is Ronald D. Moore, executive producer and developer of the new Battlestar Galactica. I am here to welcome you to the podcast for episode 418, "Deadlocked". I'm doing this on the fly, sorta in between meetings, I'm running out of my house to get back to the office and the podcast is late anyway, so unfortunately, not only is the smoking lamp out, but the bar is closed as well.

OK. I will try to do the best I can in terms of giving you some inside information on this particular episode, but as I look through my notes and I went back and looked at the original story document and subsequent drafts, this is one of those episodes that didn't change a hell of a lot as it went from start to finish. Originally this was called "Drowning Woman", which was referring to Galactica herself and her difficulties and drowning and metaphorically probably also into Caprica-Six, as well. Somewhere along the line, I think Jane, decided to change the title to "Deadlocked" which is a perfectly good title.

Getting back to this particular set, I think I think I talked about in the previous podcast, this set is actually sandwiched in between our normal CI- I think this is C- no, no. It's not the CIC. It's- no, I'm sorry. It is the CIC. The CIC set and the back of the stage wall. This set of the superstructure- or the interior structure of Galactica is sorta sandwiched in between there, and we're actually using the actual fire escape as sort of a bit of set decoration.

It was interesting to get back into Dogville. We hadn't been in Dogville for a while in the show, with the people, the civilians, down on the lower decks, which we had taken aboard quite some time ago. And I think that's why this scene is placed here as opposed to where it was in the original draft, which was Caprica-Six walking down just the hallways of Galactica and set upon by thugs from the Sons of Ares in that context, and I think we moved it back over here during the production process to sort of- it's a more visually interesting scene. It's also sort of reminding you of the- that we do have all these civilians on board and sort of setting up this two-tier situation aboard Galactica. We have the military operations and the military personnel and we've also got the refugees and survivors of all the various holocausts down below.

This is, obviously, a very heavy Caprica-Six/Tigh/Ellen episode. We talked early on in the season about bringing this to- this culmination eventually. I think after Caprica-Six was impregnated by Tigh, we weren't quite sure where we wanted to go with that. I think we sort of- I kinda remember the discussion in the room when the writers first pitched it to me and they said, "And Tigh- or Cottle tells Adama that Tigh's pregnant," and the writers all looked at me and I just kinda laughed and said, "God, I fuckin' love that." And they laughed too. And we- and I said, "Where does that go?" And they kinda shrugged and said, "Well we don't know." And I said, "Well, I love it. Let's do it." So we just decided let's do it and it was gonna be an exploration of love and love from- hot Cylon on Cylon sex, and all that kind of stuff. And it was also just an opportunity to add a different layer of complexity into the series because obviously the series is not complex enough.

This sequence up here is interesting in that it shows the Galactica Vipers are actually joined in the CAP, the combat air patrol, by the Cylon Raiders and that they're now flying joint CAP missions, which I thought was really interesting. A lot of the story here in the second half of the last season has been about the gr- they way the Cylons and the humans- in the Colonial Fleet are inevitably moving closer and closer toward one another and being forced by circumstances to have to share certain duties and responsibilities and one of them, being the CAP, felt like it was one of the most visually interesting ways to do that and it would go a long ways for telling you that the cooperation had gone to a new level.

This arrival of Ellen Tigh back on Galactica is obviously very reminicent, and deliberately so, of the- of when- of the episode when Ellen came back aboard- came aboard Galactica for the first time way back in season one. The shot of the Raptor door opening on to Ellen's leg. I really like this little beat, that Tyrol can tell that it's Boomer, just like sight uns- just like at first sight. He can look at her and he can tell her- he can tell that.

We- Boomer was a character that for a while in the series we had almost lost track of. We knew that she had resurrected back with the Cylons and we kept like dropping her into little things here and there over the course of time during the New Caprica arc, and so on, but she didn't have a strong role to play for a while. We married her up, so to speak, not literally married her up, with the character of Cavil to play their relationship and play someone for Cavil to deal with. But it took a while to come up with something for Boomer and we never quite gave up on it. There were times, certainly, when it seemed like it was never gonna happen, but I think the writers in particular were determined that Boomer was a large thread that deserved to be tied up by the end of the series and I tended to agree in that she was one of the original characters in the miniseries, and I mean the miniseries itself actually ends on a shot of Boomer, of her saying, "By your command." And it felt right that in the final episodes we come back and we revisit her storyline and we give her an ending to her tale as well. So, Boomer's story does continue here. And that's the end of the tease.


==Act 1==
Beginning of the act.

Just to continue that thought. We did start talking seriously about a Boomer thread about midpoint in the season and how was Boomer going to tie in with the rest of the show. It changed. I can't really talk about the way it changed yet, on this podcast, because clearly we have episodes yet to go and the alternate route that we went down and then subsequently discarded after the writers' strike did involve Boomer as well, and Ellen, and Tigh, and that was all discarded and I can't really talk about that until you've seen the end, so I don't know when I'll get around to that. I'll do that in some interview or maybe in the podcast for the final episode, or something.

Originally, in the original draft, Tigh did not greet her in the Raptor scene, yeah, in the scene where the Raptor comes aboard Galactica. They- the Raptor was met by Laura and Ro- and Adama and then Tigh didn't see her until the end of this scene, actually. You came back in Act One and this all played itself out where she was debriefed and talking about what had happened, and then there was a beat and I think they let Tigh in, or Tigh came, or something. Their reunion was actually at the end of this scene, but it seemed to play much stronger to have the actual reuniting of the two characters in the tease so you could get there and go, "Whoah. Doesn't he have a girlfriend who's pregnant?" and kinda get those elements going forward. I really like the fact that Ellen is still drinking. I like that she's still Ellen Tigh. She's very much the Ellen that we've always known in the show, but she's something more. We're seeing that the aspects of Ellen as- in terms of her being a handful, her being a difficult character, her being- her own- that she's very much a character who owns her own shit. I don't think she blames the world for a lot of her own problems. But she's kinda defiant in terms of her likes, dislikes, and her appetites. And I thought that it was good to say that that really is Ellen. That when their memories- when the Final Five, their memories were wiped, and they were reinserted into human society, that what really came to the fore was the fac- were their personalities as it were, their- the default aspects of their personalities came forward and so the people that we've known over the course of the series are really who they are. We just didn- we, and they just didn't really know that they were Cylons at the time.

The sensuality here of Ellen and Tigh was something I always liked. I mean, it was right in the miniseries. That Ellen slept with half the Fleet and Tigh was sensitive about it. I like that they just go at here in the ward room, and even Tigh's like, "Errr! Just go for it, lassie." And then there's this moment of looking up and being confused and Caprica-Six. I mean, it's really psychologically complex stuff for Tigh, his feelings and what his feelings really are and how they affect things. Now, you'll notice that we we're drawing a connection, dramatically, between Tigh's feelings for Ellen and then later for Adama, and the child that Caprica-Six is carrying and her success, or lack of success, in being able to carry that child. Well, I'll come back to that a little bit later.

The situation down here in Dogville. One of the things that we talked about doing- I think when this story was originally structured and broken, Baltar didn't return to the Galactica quite as quickly as he does here, but as we were making changes in the earlier episodes, in particular Michael Angeli's episode, where Baltar was over on the baseship and has second thoughts about what he was doing and why he fled, I think that then dominoed out and we redid this part of Baltar's story as well, to bring him back to his people a little faster. Really like the character of Paula. She's turned into a really interesting one, over the course of the past couple seasons, in terms of how she interacts with Baltar, what that's all about. I like this- we talked extensively in the room about Baltar's role with these people upon his return. Who would want to follow him, who wouldn't? And what Baltar's all about. His sense of responsibility for leaving, or his sense of irresponsibility for leaving is probably closer to the mark. And what he's after when he comes back. What's his real relationship with "God" at this point? What is he trying to do? And it seemed to me that Baltar is driven primarily, as a character, he's been driven by guilt and self-loathing, and remorse, ever since the beginning of the series. And that those qualities would- I not sure they're qualities, but those aspects of his character would come to the fore here as well. Here's another apocalyptic moment, although in a smaller scale, obviously, that the miniseries, an apocalyptic event in their lives. He flees Galactica. He leaves these people behind to meet their fate. And now he's returning. Something he didn't do in the miniseries. He goes back to try to take responsibility for his people. To try to actually lead them. To try to actually help them. And his rivalry with Paula for leadership of the group, and whether he would be welcomed back or not, was also an ex- a source of extensive conversation.

I love this. That Ellen knows, like, right away, that Saul slept with somebody. Husbands, don't think that your wives don't know. Don't say it. Don't tell her. I thought of you. I love that. I thought of you. I actually saw her. [Laughs]. It's a really interesting little moment in these two people and the knowledge of Ellen and the larger view of who they are, and Saul reacting just like a man and trying to deal with the situation. I think in the script, in early drafts of the script, she had- she actually had some candidates who she said, "Oh, I bet it was so and so. Was it the president? Was it this woman? Was it- Don't tell me it was that woman with the one tooth, or something." It was some bizarre reference that was pretty funny but got excised somewhere along the way.

I was saying earlier- We're drawing this direct- oh, this is different.

This thing of the gathering of the Final Five. We knew that, as writers we knew, that the audience was going to expect something to happen when the Final Five were all in the same room together, so we decided to try to get that outta the way as soon as possible and that everyone would kinda have an expectation that if the final five all got in the same room that there would be some revelation, there would be some moment. There would be something. And we liked the idea of nothing happening, and just not say that there was some mystical thing that was gonna occur. But to really play, instead, just the fact that Ellen knows all of them and remembers all has this larger awareness, which Anders did have briefly and incompletely as he was going in and out of consciousness before. And to just play this as a reunion and play this more on the personal level than on the metaphysical.

[Coughs.] Excuse me.

And it felt right. I mean, a lot of this just- a lot of the plot at this point in the show and in the series came out of what we just felt were the logical next moves. And I find that a lot of my own writing on the page and in the room as a storyteller comes from saying, "Well, what would they really do? What would be the logical next move for them to make?" And people are always saying that the characters tell you what they're gonna say next and that is true, in a sense. The characters have predispositions to do things. They have characteristics. They have back stories. They have points of view. They have psychological complexities, and on a certain level, the characters will drive you in a certain direction. In this instance it felt like, to us, that once the Final Five were reunited the other Cylons, the other skinjobs, would logically say, "Well, let's get the hell outta Dodge. Let's- you're the Final Five. We are your people on a s- in a very real sense. Let's just go. Let's just get the frak outta here." End of the act.

==Act 2==
And we're back. I love the pregnancy thing. And Ellen's reveal- Ellen's realization of it. Yeah, and Galen trying to bring 'em back to the point here. That was actually something we had to- we had to very carefully- there was a significant discussion in the writers' room of how this vote was gonna go, who was gonna be on what side, and how they were gonna decide one way or the other. Did it have to be unanimous? Was it democratic? It felt like we had established, pretty firmly, in the Cylon mythology that they had always gone with majority rules, and so it felt like that was something that they probably got from the Final Five, or their sense of democracy, or their sense of fair play. And we wanted to create that in microcosm here among the Final Five and we- I think there was a point where- Oh, wait. Sorry. Got distracted. Yeah. The- I was gonna say the Anders thing. We- there was a point where we were- it felt like everything was gonna be split down the middle because Anders had no vote, and then we decided, no, no, no. If Anders says something in the previous episode, back in seventeen, if Anders in- clearly says "Stay with the Fleet," if that's one of the last things he says and that people remember that, his vote can go counted into this.

And then the trick was to- we wanted the swing vote to be Ellen. We wanted to get to a place where some where saying, "Stay," some where saying, "Go," and that it all came down to Ellen Tigh, which made her the fulcrum of the episode and her complicated feelings about the pregnancy, and about Tigh, and about the right and the wrong of it, and then everything would get clouded by her own personal point of view, was something that we decided that we wanted to play.

I like the way James plays all this, at this point in Baltar's story. The way Baltar- when he returns to the ship and his reactions to these people as he walks through Dogville. This is- you sense him genuinely trying. At least I do. I think it's a really interesting shading of the character that James gave to his performance in all these. You can really feel him trying to step up a bit. He's trying to reach out on genuine human levels and he's trying to do things without manipulation, and he's trying to do what he thinks, in his head, is the moral and right thing to do, even though it's kind of undercut by the fact that he's also in this power struggle with Paulla, and I think he's clearly trying to reestablish his sense of authority and power here, but he's trying to do it from what he thinks is the right point of view. And I sense it all in his- in James' performance, throughout, which I just think is really intriguing. I like the choice of giving him the shawl here that gives him a somewhat biblical flavor to it all. His eagerness to be believed. His eagerness for the people to want to believe him. And the look to Paulla.

I think- I can't be certain, 'cause I don't remember if I saw it in the script or not, but I think that little bit of Laura saying, "I don't think I've ever called you a name before," that might have been Mary- either Mary's idea or Mary's improv. I wouldn't swear to it. I should probably ask Jane, 'cause she would know, but I do these podcasts on my own, so what can I tell ya?

A lot of this is now trying to sew pieces together. As you can see, the visions, the opera house, Caprica-Six, the baby, the one God that Baltar's constantly referring to. There's a lot of really trying in these last few episodes of weaving together the cloth that is ultimately going to be this large tapestry by the time the finale is over. And some of it's just hard to talk about because I can't really tell you about where these storylines are going and how they all come together, and so that why I'm kinda groping a bit. I'm also groping a bit because this was about the time in the season when my attention really started being drawn towards the finale. Right about the time that the second draft of this script was written, which was toward the- which was mid to- that's an important little beat there about the piano. You'll learn more about that in the next episode. Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to say is right about the time that this episode was complet- was in the final writing stages and as it was being shot was when I was really starting to focus on the finale. This was- the second draft on this was written like mid to late April of 2008, and my notes show that we started breaking the finale almost at that exact same time. So, this and the next two episodes were really done mostly by the writers in the room. I mean, Jane obviously wrote- I hadn't actually taken a whack at polishing scripts in the fourth season for quite some time. The closest I did was to do those writes- those pages on the Cavil-Ellen story, if that was originally from my episode but then ultimately went to Ryan's episode in seventeen. But from this point until the end, a lot of my time was spent break- in the break of the final episode and then trying to crank out the draft of the final episode. And essentially I was reading these drafts of this, nineteen, and twenty, giving notes, but trying to get back to my teleplay. And it was getting frustrating, actually. It was getting very frustrating because it was a two hour finale, so that's like the length of a feature film, and that takes more time obviously, and it was also, it's the finale of not just the season, it's the finale of the entire series and I wanted it be good and I wanted it to live up to my expectations of what I wanted it to be, and the more I got pulled to some of these other duties that I had of- the Caprica pilot was in pre-production, Virtuality pilot was in pre-production, these shows were in production. There was just a lot of crap in my email, a lot of call backs, and I was getting more and more annoyed every time I got fuckin' pulled away. And as a result, my memory of decisions and storylines are limited to the original break sessions on these and going back and combing through notes on the scripts themselves, and a lot of this just plays pretty much as I remembered this playing. I remember that the important thing to me was these- were these moments of Caprica-Six with Ellen Tigh and the triangle that was involved here of Ellen, Saul, and Caprica, and wanting to bring that to a conclusion.

The- I was- earlier I alluded to the fact that we were tying things together. That- as Saul's feelings for Ellen come rise up and later as they - as his feelings for Bill Adama are made clear, the child that Caprica-Six is carrying starts to go into distress. We wanted to play this where you could kinda read it either way, which was always an important thing in the series, in that we wanted to be able to read this either as a metaphysical connection on a level of, "Did God's true love allow the child to be conceived? Would God's true love allow the baby to be born? And if Saul's feelings were not true, if he was not really in love with Caprica-Six, or couldn't love her in the way that she wanted to, would she lose the child?" That's one way to look at it. The other way was to look at it that is was more practical. It was more prosaic, really. It was that no Cylon-Cylon pairing had ever produced a child. Presumably, there had been pregnancies and conceptions, but none had ever taken it to term, and that no true Cylon child have ever really been born, and that this was just the natural progression of yet another failed Cylon-Cylon pairing. And that essentially the pregnancy was doomed from the beginning, like all Cylon pregnancies were. And we wanted the episode to be read either way. Many times in the course of the series we've tried to present the sh- the story in a way that you could wri- read things either way, where you could read certain events as being coincidence and certain events- or certain events as being divinely inspired or divinely motivated. We wanted to keep walking that line, moving back and forth across it, keeping the audience off-balance and also allowing the audience to read into what they chose to read into, in the same way that some of the characters would. That some of the characters would choose to put a metaphysical or supernatural explanation on events and other characters would not. That said, there were definitely moments in the show when I felt that I wanted something that could not be explained by rational means. The fact that- or it's just wildly coincidental. Like in- in the episode "[[33]]", when Baltar prays and at the moment he prays and says he trusts in God, Laura gives the order and the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' is destroyed. There's no rational connection between those two. End of the act.

== Act 3 ==
And just continuing the thought. There's no rational connection between those two events, and yet Baltar saw a supernatural connection between the events. It's an extraordinary coincidence that those things would happen in the order that they did. So if you- so the rational- the mind would have to deny that there's- any connection and that, well, the universe is a crazy place and weird shit happens all the time, but that doesn't mean there's a divine- hand behind it all, but that Baltar, especially given his circumstance as somebody is actually talking to him, would actually take a different point of view. And in this episode I wanted to have- I wanted to be able to look at it both ways, as opposed to having a clear definitive "hand of God" moment.

I like this thing where Tigh and Adama are drinking again. Tigh had been holding off for a little bit, had been laying off the juice and Adama was getting deeper into it, and now Adama pulls Tigh into his drinking circle, which I thought was an interesting reversal of their two roles. This is an interesting thought as well. I like the idea that Adama- he's held onto this idea- he wouldn't network the computers in the miniseries. Each step towards making the- connecting the Cylons to the ''Galactica'', to his ship, to his woman, were like taking pieces out of his hide all the way through the show. And at this point where she's literally starting to fall apart and the only way to save her is through Cylon technology and Cylon help, that this would really start to eat away at the marrow of Adama, the same way that Laura's cancer is eating away at her from the inside.

It's nice to bring Capr- not Cap- Head-Six back. We'd been away from her for a little while, but we wanted to- it was important that we start to reposit her here so that subsequent events can play and we can feel the fact that she's back in the show. I think we're ver- we actually had written scenes in earlier episodes and then took them out where she appeared and Baltar kinda went, "Oh! Geez! Where have you been?" And there was a bigger sense of her coming back. We played a little bit of that now, but I think we were trying to make a bigger- deal of it in stories, but I think I kinda excised those because I didn't wanna draw attention to the fact that she had been gone so long and make a bigger deal out of it than it was. We just didn't want her to show up just to have her keep showing up. We wanted to use her effectively and that meant she couldn't keep showing up to say nothing, really. She should only show up when she had something to say. But, I liked the idea that off-camera, in the life the all the characters are living beyond the frame, that she probably did still continue to visit Baltar and that- so he wouldn't be completely shocked and like have a whole reaction when she showed up on-camera, to the audience.

<chuckles.> Three minutes.

I liked the idea, as we got into the final few episodes, of playing the many changes that had come to ''Galactica''. And that one of the big changes was this idea that there were places on the ship that people could not really go down safely anymore. That once- the mutiny went down, and they had to essentially ship off a whole boat load of mutineers, you know, like Racetrack, and Skulls, and other people who had sided with Gaeta, were shipped off of ''Galactica'', off to the prison ship, and that now what was a fairly small crew to begin with relative to ''Galatica'''s size was even smaller. And that as a result of that and the story that had taken place down through the years, the interior of this vast ship itself had become somewhat honeycombed with different pockets of authority. That the marines- the marine detachment onboard, which would provide security to ''Galactica'', was really- had its hands full just trying to provide security for the really vital areas of the ship. The engine room, the life support, the nuclear warheads, the command and control functions, the main gun batteries, the launch bays. The places to keep ''Galactica'' running and safe and to keep the ship safe from Cylon attack were probably over-taxing her resources. That essentially there just weren't enough marines to go around and there weren't enough regular officers to go around and they had kind of made an accommodation with that where essentially Dogville and other areas of the ship were given over to civilians and that they more or less ran their own affairs in those areas. Now, in the wake of the mutiny, when ''Galactica'''s complement was even lower, a different situation has arisen where they can't even begin to pretend like they're in control of the whole ship, and there are areas where Adama can't even walk down a corridor without it being a dangerous thing. Where essentially the civilians are starting to have to fend for themselves and ''Galactica'' herself is becoming hollow, in a real sense. She could probably still fight off a Cylon attack, more or less, but all of her defenses are outward and few defenses are now inward, and people like the followers of Gaius Baltar and the Sons of Ares are fighting their own private gang wars down in her corridors and that's- it's not so much being allowed to happen as it is it happens. They don't have the resources to deal with their internal problems anymore. Which tells you that life on this ship is starting to have a significant half-life associated to it. That there's- they've taken so many blows and there's been so many wounds to the people onboard and the ship herself that you can kinda see that the end is inevitable. The end is coming. This is not a sustainable way of life aboard this ship.

The nature of the relationship between Ellen and Tigh just- I think it's really interesting. It's- it was born in a very "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" kind of feeling between these two that clawed at one another and loved to claw at one another and hate to claw at one another, who hurt, and are hurt over and over again and yet can never quite be torn apart from one another.

End of the act.

==Act 4==
And just to finish that thought, and now- as we get into where they are at this point, even knowing who they are, even knowing their true natures and realizing that they're thousands of years old, that they're com- incredibly sophisticated, complex machines, that they're even more sophisticated than the skinjob Cylons, and have this- these enormous word views and understanding of the cosmological nature of the universe, they're still people on some level. They're- machines but the Final Five are people and they're still crippled and they're still damaged by their own flaws and their own failing and their- and they still reach for their own sense of nobility and they still strive towards the light a bit but they're unable to grasp it. I don't know. I just find the Tighs- the battling Tighs to be endlessly fascinating and I've always loved the fact that we decided to bring Ellen aboard ''Galactica'' way back in the first season. Even though that wasn't something I ever anticipated doing in the miniseries. I assumed she was dead. Had no real plans to bring her back. And was kind of hesitant when we decided to bring her back, 'cause I thought it would be seen as just a trick and that- I didn't want- I was kinda adamant that I didn't want to keep having family members and old friends popping up in this little civilian fleet when billions of people had died and you turn around and, "Oh, hey! There's my wife." So we did it, and I tried to keep it to essentially that, and not have it keep happening. And then it became more important that Ellen- had came back for a reason. That she had a larger purpose in the drama and that we played that. And that's- the way I do the show overall. A lot of times you take a- or- I take a jump, or a leap, and say, "OK, let's go there, even though I don't know quite know where that's going to go, but let's go there because I think it's interesting and my instinct tells me that there's something there to play." But then you need to honor that and you need to try to stick with it and say, "OK. Well, if we're going in this odd direction, if we're bringing Ellen Tigh back, in violation of the rule that I set out at the beginning, well then it has to be meaningful. Then I want a reason why we're going there. I want a reason why she's back with Saul, ultimately. I want to know what that's all about." And she becomes more important in the story. At first she's serving as a dramatic foil for him and she's giving us a different voice in the show beyond just the military, which I like, and then ultimately she was the element that knitted the Final Five together, really, for me and for the audience.

See? I like this intercut between Adama looking at the dying ship and Saul with his dying child, and just- it's beautifully done. I mean this is- Bob Young directed this episode and he has- just a natural feel for where the drama in the scene is. He has a- he shoots everything from the psychological standpoint, meaning going to where the emotion is and where the intention is of a scene or a character of a given moment, and you can just kinda feel as we go through it, it's pretty much a seamless piece. There's really- you're- the cuts all feel natural and flow from one to the next and he's intercutting between the scenes at the appropriate time. I look back at the notes from the network on the cut when they got the cut. I had made very few changes in it. I think Jane had taken a whack at polishing a few cuts here and there, but I don't think she made a lot of changes, and the network had very few, if any, notes. They just kinda said, "We love it. Here's a couple of little suggestions and thoughts." But this is one of those that pretty much was as it was intended from beginning to end, which is really a testament to Jane and to Bob.

Here again, we're drawing that connection between his feelings of truth and love and what is true and what's not true, and between the life of this child, and you can choose to deci- I mean, certainly we the storytellers are leading you to believe that there's a direct connection and that that's what caused the miscarriage and caused the child to die. But logically I don't think Cottle walks away from that scene with that. I think Cottle has a very different take on it.

Baltar really giving voice to what the state of affairs is, truly, of the people. Truly Baltar is actually giving voice, and he's speaking for many people outside the walls and outside the- frame, again. Again, you could really just play this episode, you could watch this back to back with the next episode, with the next, to the next, all the way to the final frame of the series to this point. We're really just telling one story. I mean, there is a bit of a shape to these episodes. Certainly the last episode was its own- had its own narrative and its own unique structure in and of itself as Anders was remembering and cross cutting to Ellen and all that. But even that is simply another chapter in the same book. I mean, now we're moving just forward into telling the stories and moving things forward, and you can read the narrative just straight through from here to the end.

And see? It's a fact that they're much more capable of defending themselves and being in charge of their own security and having security in the hands of Gaius and his followers makes much more sense than to try to maintain this idea of the security with the overstretched marines who are maintaining control of like the truly vital areas of ''Galactica'' but probably can't do much in terms of civilian crowd control.

And no, we haven't forgotten about Boomer and there's certainly much more to play between these two coming up very soon.

And there's more to play here. There's just more to play. Yeah, it's gonna be an interesting run from here to the end, that's for sure.

It's- a lovely relationship, these two men. I mean, it's great that- I can't think of another television series that's really had a strong friendship like this and love between two men that were as old as these two men are in pow- in positions of authority and- they both- we've been with them through various heartbreaks and emotions and difficult times and that relationship between Adama and Tigh has lasted and continues to last even in spite of everything else that's happened and I just think that's great. I think that's one of the real strengths of the series.

It's a dif- it's becoming a different ship. It's becoming a different community, here aboard ''Galactica''. It's a different idea of what it means to be a community. To who they accept into their ranks and who they accept as people. It was always about, "Who do you accept as people?" Did the humans accept the Cylons as people? Could they ever allow themselves to accept them as people. And that small gesture. Putting the pictures of Cylons on the memorial wall, which is probably- if there's a sacred place aboard ''Galactica'', this is where it is, is this place where they remember the people that they've lost and the fact that they're allowing these photographs of Cylons to be added to it I think is an enormous step in the life of these characters and in the life of the series.

Well, there you have it. That's the podcast for eighteen. Hope you enjoyed it, and I will- now I will get in my car and drive to work and go talk about visual effects for the finale. So, until next time, this is Ronald D. Moore. Good night, and good luck.

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-- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC){{newsection link}}

==Okay, what happened?==
Is this the most recent back up? God, I don't even remember all the work I did. Depressing. I supposed all the pages are this way? that is in the state they were in at the time this article was in this stage of development? [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 11:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering the same things. I added a lot to the analysis and questions area before the sql dump that seemed to have occurred yesterday. Dang, what happened?! [[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 17:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:See [http://battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?p=50875 this]. Short story: Database crashed, backup restored (but lost a couple days of work). Backups will be made more frequently now and to multiple locations. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

:: I always Special:Export the full history of any wiki page I do significant work on, after I save any large edit. Started doing it a few months back and haven't looked back since. You'll never need to experience this frustration again, so I recommend it highly. [[User:Blue Rook|Blue Rook]] 22:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

==Title==
''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

And what's with Bill Adama agonizing over the Cylon goop being put into Galactica? Granted it's not what he would like, but Adama has always shown himself to be a pragmatist. He knows he has no choice. He even admits it during his drunken binge with Tigh. The Adama we know from the past hasn't agonized over forced choices once they've been made. Again, why the sudden shift in character? It's jarring to the point of unbelievability.

And what's Adama up to giving Baltar guns? Has he lost his mind? Didn't we just have a bloody mutiny on Galactica over the whole idea of Cylon's integrating into the fleet? As I recall, Adama was on the pro-Cylon side -- again, because he's a pragmatist, not out of any love of the Cylons. Now he's acting like he fears the Cylons all over again, despite the fact his XO is one and Tyrol is once again in charge of the deck. The rebel Cylons basically saved Roslin's life. They are helping repair the Galactica. They've practically prostrated themselves at the mercy of the humans. At what point do our half-blind humans finally realize these Cylons are ''different''? That they're trying to help?

Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta. Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda. If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
* OK, that's weird. Why is your datestamp 7 months from now? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* * Good question. I've no idea --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* Yes, totally . She does tell the gang specifically that she is still Ellen, too -- since from the Cavil conversation we know the plan for them was to download back with full memories of everything that happened. It's likely that the New Ellen we saw this episode was the writers trying to show that while she is cylon she is very much human as well (loves Saul, jealous of Six, furious that he would sleep with one of "their children" even though he couldn't have known), or that the memories/template of Old Ellen is still strongly with her and may continue to drive some of her reactions. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* MORE -- Re: Baltar, had to watch it again, but what he is saying is that while the fleet in on a path to be blended, the populace isn't fully ready to accept this fate just yet. That Baltar can put together a civilian militia to keep order where the marines aren't is the last choice Adama has before he finally turns to the Baseship for mustering a police force (the implied non-human solution). And at this point he's right, there's no way the fleet would accept Cylons acting as police. So it's not an anti-Cylon agenda at all, he's just trying to buy Adama some time. Bill's agonizing because up to this point he's seen Humans and Rebel Cylons as allies, but separate nations. The hope has been that Humans ultimately rebuild the Human race, but the direction is now clearly showing both sides need each other and that instead Humans (and Cylons) will be building a new Hybrid race. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 04:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== I Don't Agree ==

First of all, Baltar said what he said to Adama just to get the guns. He knew he'd only get them if he appealed to Adama's pro-human side, which he did. He probably meant none of it (Baltar, anit-Cylon? He gave one of the sixes a nuke!).

Secondly, love is far from logical, and Ellen (at least, is implied) is in love with Saul, hence she will not be logical, and cast him down. He's been unfaithful with her daughter, effectively; all logic goes out of the window.

* But what could Baltar have possibly said that could've motivated Adama to give weapons to ''civilians''? And mot just any civilians but ''brainwashed'' ones? And while I'll readily concede love is anything but logical, if I had to describe the "No Exit" Ellen with just one adjective, it would be "rational." But in this episode she's completely irrational. It's like those stupid romantic comedies where everyone must misbehave in exactly the wrong way at the wrong time in order to draw the wrong conclusion and perform the wrong action...all of which is tidied up in the third act. BSG is better than that, which is why I'm so disappointed in this episode.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 23:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Scene(s) May Explain the Guns ==

I understand that there was at least one scene that was cut in which the problem of internal security on Galactica was discussed. (Don't have the citation handy.) The problem is that, due to loses incurred during the mutiny, the number of marines available for security duty is way below what is needed. One of the solutions discussed was to bring over centurions from the base ship to augment the security force, but that was deemed to be a bad thing (duh). So in that context, Baltar's appeal for guns to defend themselves and the other civilians might seem to Adama to be the lesser of two evils.

But boy, did you see the look of lust on Paula's face as she examined her new semi-auto. That girl's going "postal" one day soon, mark my words. [[User:Strotter|Strotter]] 03:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

* If this is indeed a missing scene then it starts to make a little sense. Still, I have a hard time believing Galactica's security forces were so decimated that Adama is willing to turn over weapons to untrained, unpredictable, untrusted civilians. Galactica has over a thousand personnel. Surely there are better options than giving guns to cultists. --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Found ==

The one question I still can't figure out... is how the hell did Boomer find Galactica in a Raptor? If Boomer could find it so easily, couldn't Cavil?

Just thinking...
[[User:Ghostalker|Ghostalker]]
* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
** (b) holds more water - if Cavil had a Raptor for Boomer to steal, and that alone were enough to find Earth, he'd have already done it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 07:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Can we unlock this page now? ==

Can we unlock this page? It's been two days since the episode was aired. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 01:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:But it is unlocked. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 01:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::It wasn't locked when I got to it, and I've removed the spoiler and locked tags from the page. Have at it. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Piano in the bar ==

Kara asks the bartender "When'd you get a piano" and doesn't get an answer, just a strange look, but there is a piano in the background. Is it possible the piano and its player are just a manifestation like Baltar's head-6? In "Someone to Watch Over Me" the piano player is supposed to help her find out who she is. She also has a vision of a little girl playing a piano in a ship bay. Is the piano player Daniel, or her father, or both? [[User:Carlodrum|Carlodrum]] 04:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== How Tyrol ID'd Boomer ==

Just in my opinion, when he saw her, he wasn't looking for some 'tell' that showed she was Boomer. ...He knew when he saw her land that Raptor. Getting her to acknowledge him was just a confirmation.

Before the episode even aired, I envisioned a scene where Tyrol and maybe Kelly watched an approaching Raptor come in with furrowed brows, then when it landed, cursed and called for security.

== Dialog Correction ==

In Act 4, there is a mistake in the summary, as well in the closed captioning done for the show, in the scene with Tigh and Adama. It is described as: Tigh says that "it's not like that." Adama agrees, embraces and comforts him. Listening closely reveals that Tigh says "It's not like '''Zack'''" refering to Lee's brother/Adama's other son, who died in adulthood during military training.
:I'll update it. In the future, [[BW:BOLD|be bold]]; feel free to make the change yourself. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:Closed captioning can be VERY inaccurate. Better to wait for DVD subtitles than to rely on them. I still don't understand why Tigh would bring Zack up. You know who he is, and I do, but wouldn't that probably lose the average viewer? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:The text from the script says:
::"'''Tigh''': "It's not like with Zak. It's not. I know that. But ... it's ..."
:So I was wrong. I still think that's a reach for most people to follow, but I guess they didn't dumb it down. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Why was a random Eight and Six urging Ellen to go to the Baseship and jump away and not Caprica Six and Athena? ==

In my opinion, the answer that Athena would never agree to abandon the fleet is not the main reason that Athena was not at Anders's site.

I think that the random Eight and Six were representives from the rebel basestar and came to the Battlestar Galactica along with Tory Foster when the first meeting of the Final Five was organized. I think they just didn't invite Caprica Six and Athena, because the rebel cylons had already made their decision and asked only the Final Five to join them and abandon the fleet.

Later when Ellen Tigh confronted Saul Tigh, in my opinion, Ellen wanted Caprica Six to be present because she needed Caprica Six for her plot to humiliate and hurt Saul Tigh by pretending to vote for abandoning the fleet. [[User:JohnJ|JohnJ]] 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

== Significance of the name "Gaius?" ==

I was reading this article -
http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/2007/10/15/Charity-Makes-Wealth

"Old Honest poses this riddle to the innkeeper Gaius: “A man there was, tho’ some did count him mad, / The more he cast away, the more he had.” Gaius solves the riddle thus: “He that bestows his Goods upon the Poor / Shall have as much again, and ten times more.”"

Somehow I remember our Gaius saying something similar when he was handing out food.

== Act Break? ==

Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::If somebody could check this (on Hulu maybe?), I'd appreciate it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Callandra Tyrol/Archive 1

2009-04-02T01:51:43Z

Steelviper: /* Move request */ violent agreement

I just thought of this: in going with the Classical-themed names, maybe her full/real name's Calliope. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 20:43, 28 Apr 2005 (EDT)

== New Look ==

The last page was mostly garbage, opinion and things unverified. The new page has information that came directly from the episodes, and is accurate.

:But this picture is horrible...much too dark. I'll see if I cna find a better one. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:39, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:: I added a picture. Actually, I had uploaded it, but forgot to add it to the article the first time around. Let me know your thoughts and concerns about it. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:32, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:::Looks good to me. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:39, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

::::I think it needs a better picture, one of the ones of her smiling on the flight deck. This is the one of her looking sad during Adama's speech. ---Ricimer, 25 Aug 2005

==First Name==

According to the novelization of the miniseries, her first name is "Jane". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)
:I noticed this myself, but I didn't put it up because I don't know if that is canonical. I mean according to the novelization she was also in a relationship with Prosna; I think a lot of this is just "made up" by the writer and not associated with RDM in any shape or form. I need to get around to making a full write-up of the novelization. Updates as I get them. 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 20:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)

== Possibly a nod to B7 ==

Since "Number Six" may be a nod to Prisoner, it may be that "Cally" is a nod to the eponymous telepath on "Blake's Seven," another tough-edged science fiction series. [[User:Below|Below]] 16:26, 2 February 2006 (EST)

:No. I was unaware that Cally was a character name on Blake's 7, but Ron D. Moore stated in the DVD commentary for "Bastille Day" that he picked the names of Cally, Socinus, and Prosna from an internet "Random ancient name generator". I actually had that in my transcript of the DVD commentary. Someone saw fit to remove it. I thought that was okay, but I guess I'll look at the history page and restore it now. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:37, 2 February 2006 (EST)

: I doubt that this is a nod to B7... Unless Avon and Vila show up with Servalan at their heels. :-) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:05, 2 February 2006 (EST)

== Time for a Cally romance ==

She's been in the background for too long. I enjoyed her early development, but it's slacked off to where she just seemed bitter. Cally was a perky upbeat person with a creative streak, and the attack (as did all characters) changed her. Not that I want Cally to become the Whore of the Battlestar, but it would be fun for, say, her and Gaeta to strike a rapport (if not romantic as Gaeta can be a bigger stickler of regs, even with the need to make babies). There's plenty of enlisted; perhaps even she and the chief, Laird...others from Pegasus. I don't want her to become a lost character as Billy K had become. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:Be careful what you wish for. All the people who were asking, "Where's Billy?" probably didn't like the answer they got in Sacrifice... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:46, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::Spencerian, as I dutifully selected representative of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/ cult-following that Nicki "Cally" Clyne has amassed] (me and some of the other regulars on the messageboard are obsessed with her: Solium and Nibblerfan made the fanart and run things, while I wrote up our "thesis" of why Cally is great (read it on the site); basically because I think she's the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and embodies many of the character traits postulated by [[Naturalistic science fiction]], and in short, just like after so much Voyager and Enterprise, there was a backlash with the fans and we all left for BSG, after so much Seven of Nine and T'Pol, there was a backlash in favor of Cally. So it turned into a craze, and they kind of realized how popular she was, gave her more to [[Resistance|do in season 2]], etc.) '''Anyway''', when you say "she's in the backround"...that's just these past few episodes. *****Watch the spoiler pics for "Lay Down Your Burdens", she's going to have ***BIG*** things happening, not to meantion, the Tyrol-Cally- Galactcia-Boomer triangle taking place. '''No''', she does not "just seem bitter", I don't know what you're talking about. She was cool in FotP and Pegasus.
::I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem that you've been obsessing over her for as long and in depth as much as we have; Gaeta is just a random name to say; rather, we've narrowed it down to two possible relationships: 1) Chief Tyrol 2) [[Seelix]]: Cally saved her life, so it would be really logical for her to be friends with Cally. Heck, like Cally, Racetrack, Helo, etc. Seelix was supposed to be a one-shot character (without even a name) but they liked her so they brought her back for FotP.

::Further, this is totally incomparable to Billy. I already thought of Billy as an underused character by the early episodes of season 2, and I didn't really like him, while CALLY was just great!

::'''Cally is not underused. Dualla is more underused than Cally. I like Cally more than Dualla, she's gotten more meaningful development, I think Apollo/Dualla is the most poorly executed storyline the show has ever produced, and frankly, everyone posting on the messageboards has generally been saying "wow....Dualla is not well developed and annoying....and I wish they were talking about Cally"'''

::Things may have focused on other characters for the middle of Season 2.5, but I assure you Spencerian, this post is unwarranted, from the spoilers I've seen for the season finale; "all is proceeding according to PLAN!...."--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:43, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Out of respect, of course, I presume you're disagreeing with my ''comments'' and not the right to post. My post is quite warranted--I want to see more Cally. Anywho...Hopefully the "big" things at season's end don't involve her shooting anyone or getting shot. Dualla is getting a bit more screen time, but seems more like a damsel, which is a shame. I would like BSG to have an episode like ''Babylon 5's'' "[http://tgm.firstones.com/wiki/A_View_from_the_Gallery A View from the Gallery]," where we see some day-to-day events with our lesser but pet favorite characters, like Cally, Seelix, Tyrol, Gaeta, Kat, Hot Dog, and especially Racetrack (don't know what she does to me, but she does). And what's with the lazy talk formatting of your comments? Do I have to call the [[User:Day|Mop Boy]] to come clean up again...? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::::Several points:
::::1) By not means; of course I wasn't attacking your ''right'' to post this etc., I'm just debating the comments, etc.
::::2)....'''You refer to him as "The Boy", now?'''
::::3)That's a better way of putting my Dualla complaints: she has little characterization on her own; first she was defined mostly by her relationship with Billy, and now she's kind of just devolving into the "prize" of Apollo. I don't like where her character is degenerating. That said, I like the actress and she is more than capable of good stuff, I just think that Dualla's handling, case in point the Apollo/Dualla Dualla is meant as a reward for him thing, was one of the few wrong this with the show; it was kind of good in ''theory'' (when RDM talked about it in the Resistance and FotP podcasts, etc.), but the way it just ''sprung up'' now was just ''so'' poorly executed. I mean, just walking up to him in "Black Market" and going "hey, so we have a relationship, right?" (''shudder''); Sacrifice was better, but she was mostly damsel in distress, and further, her opennign dialog with Apollo "weren't that great" ("wow, that moment was...electric", etc. and "I can't quite figure ''You'' out Apollo"), again, my whole thing just being "wow, they never had a relationship before. This came about completely randomly, and they're acting as if it was some longstanding thing. The actors make a good job of it as best they can, but I really just want them to drop this relationship in season three"., etc.
::::4)Yes, I've alwas wanted another "View from the Gallery"/"Lower Decks" episode. Oh, Flight of the Phoenix was KIND OF like that, but I'd like more of it. Racetrack is also cool too. The reason I like Racetrack and also Duck is because they're such downers and pessimistic/pragmatic, i.e. like normal people. Sort of, you notice how on Star Trek often times even in really bad situations everyone tends to still be cheerful and optimistic? Well, logically, more of the pilots and civilians and regular people should be a little distraught at their situation. None too happy or perky, like Dr. Cottle, etc. Racetrack is indeed cool. I wish we'd finally have Helo in a Raptor again, paired with Racetrack etc.; not enough Raptor team stuff lately. But my pet project, "wishlist" episode, is like, TNG had "Data's Day" so why not "Cally's Day" or "Tyrol's Day", which focus entirely on like Tyrol (in which case Cally would be a main character), etc. etc. etc.
::::5) Giving Cally armor and Katanas etc. doesn't really work. The point of why Cally is cool (the Anti-Seven of Nine) is that she's not some cliche scifi female warrior, kick-ass Lara Croft type She has to use a rifle in early season 2, she's totally inexperienced, distraught and out of her element. Shooting Galactica-Boomer did really seem in character and GREAT though, as she cares about the Chief and would hate her for hurting him. I must say, it was one of those PERFECT tv moments where you go "I had NO IDEA that was going to happen....yet it was entirely logical, and I SHOULD HAVE seen it coming"....like when Cardassia joined the Dominion in Deep Space Nine, I was totally shocked, but realized that it was so logical, I should have seen it coming but didn't. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:14, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::::: Uh. Hello, suh. I'll just be gettin' to work, then. *mops Merv's face* Bit of a mess in here, it is. *mops Spence's face* --[[User:Day|Day]] 07:24, 15 February 2006 (EST)

== Cally Tyrol? ==

Since Cally's now Tryol's wife, should we concider giving her his last name in the article, or just wait and see until its confirmed on screen or in dialouge? -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 01:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:In the novelization, Cally is her surname. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:58, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::Oh, now ''that'''s interesting. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:22, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:We also don't know for sure that Tyrol and Cally are married (or even that Tyrol is the father of her child). --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 08:35, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::Given that they were building up the Cally/Tyrol relationship in Act 1, I think it's obviously implied to be his. As for "married", well he's a really religious man (a Gemenon, son of a priest, etc.) I mean, if he is having a baby with Cally, you think they ''wouldn't'' be married but our lovable morons Anders and Starbuck ''are''?--~
:::The implication is strong, but it's not crystal clear enough to note here without a hedge. I'm pretty sure we'll get a real confirmation in October. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:19, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::::I agree with the implication of them being married. However, that doesn't mean Cally will be taking Galen Tyrol's last name unless they say so. There are a lot of married couples nowadays that don't follow the "Western" tradition of the wife taking the husband's last name. You can't assume that the colonials all follow the same tradition. Will Starbuck be called Kara Anders? Probably for the continuouty of the show, probably not. -- [[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (MST)

With confirmation that Cally is married, we face a little problem in that this article uses the character's first name throughout, instead of the last name per convention. I'm OK on it because of the limited data we had to date, but we should consider the need to conventionize this article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:17, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
: <s>Actually, the issue I have right now is ''which'' last name to use. For instance, it's never been explicitly stated that Cally took on Tyrol's last name, unless I've missed something?</s> Frak, never mind. She did take Tyrol as her last name. {{tl|duncehat}} -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:26, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
: Based on Bradley's info, we should go ahead and conventionize the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:29, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
::Don't feel too bad. I did the same thing. Where's the proof! Oh. There it is. Yeah, let's go ahead and conventionize (even though Cally Tyrol still sounds like you're talking about two different characters). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:49, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
:::S.S.D.Article. If we keep the Tighs and Adamas on track, we can make Cally work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:50, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

I agree that the two are almost certainly married. However, that doesn't justify moving the article to anything giving the surname Tyrol. a) For a good part of the series they are not married, b) to my knowledge Cally is never referred to as Mrs Tyrol, Specialist Tyrol etc. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 08:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Conventionized ==

The article now fits with our standards and conventions. Like the name popularity of Helo, I won't be put off if the convention is occasionally violated in the article, 'cause Cally is just so gosh-dern cute. As season 3 goes along, contributions should use "Tyrol" and not "Henderson" or "Henderson Tyrol." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:19, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:Do we have confirmation that Cally ever took Galen's surname? If not, shouldn't [[Anastasia Dualla]] be moved to [[Anastasia Dualla Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to [[Kara Thrace Anders]] under the same rationalle? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::That's an interesting question. I've been generally following the [[BW:OC]] on this, but others might have been getting ahead on this. Cally's sourcing is confirmed (see [[Sources:Cally Henderson Tyrol]]), although I don't expect to see any credits changed in the shows. The two other marriages are best left alone and, better, asked of in BW:OC, as I am not aware of any sources related to their name changes. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:20, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:Using "Henderson" instead of Cally is confusing. The only name used on the show is "Cally," after all...--[[User:Space Travel|Space Travel]] 15:03, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:: Well, yes, but it's improper to refer to the subject of a formal biography by their first name. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:06, 14 February 2007 (CST)

===Move===
I'd like to move this article to [[Cally Tyrol]]. We have no confirmation that Cally kept "Henderson" as a middle name. Also, we've generally avoided middle names and initials in the past, and I think we should continue to do so. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:01, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

:I tend to agree. Simplifies links, too. We can keep the full name as a redirect, naturally. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:I agree. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:31, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==

Todo:
*Headings
*Season 3 Info
--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:54, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Made some headway with this- what do you think? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:40, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

:Sorry for the edit conflict and unintentional rollback of your last edits, Madbrood. Thanks for updating the article to current events (which I returned to the article). I've reformatted and concised the article to fit the season 3 character bios such as in [[William Adama]] and [[Gaius Baltar]]. That should take care of cleanup for this one. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

::No problem.I ''did'' kinda think, while I was bored at work, that I probably should have reviewed a couple of other character bios before jumping in, but I'm glad I could be of ''some'' assistance :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:47, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

==Rank==

We need sourcing on her rank as PO2. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)
:[[:Image:Season 3 - Promo - Unfinished Business - Cally.jpg|"Unfinished Business"]] shows PO2 (those darn little lines aren't the easiest to see, but it looks like they are there). I'm not sure whether that rank still applies though... is she still active duty after the baby? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:21, 14 December 2006 (CST)
::Without a shadow of a doubt PO2. In the highres version it's very obvious. Though it's a good idea to confirm it in other episodes too, since there are sometimes one-episode errors with the rankpins and PO2 and Specialist are very similar.
::And she was on duty in "Torn". When Kara brough her damaged Viper home --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:35, 14 December 2006 (CST)
:::Ah. Right you are. Unfortunately, she's in the orange jumpsuit in "Torn" (no rank visible). And the rank picture we do have is several months out of date (though her absence from duty makes it unlikely that she shot up through the ranks in the interim). I'll scan through a bit more, but that might be our best shot for now. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:55, 14 December 2006 (CST)

== Henderson name on screen ==

In the notes it says that the prop department would use "Henderson" to label her equipment, clothing and locker. Is any of that actually visible on screen? If not, it doesn't mean they didn't do that, but it would be good to get a screenshot if possible. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:22, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:I think we've been all searching for something like this since we got wind of her last name, but very very little of her personal effects have appeared. Since [[Bradley Thompson|Brad]] has confirmed the use of the name on props (per an OC question), it's not a point of question, but it would be good if we find anything at all. Her [[dog tags]] would be the best evidence. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:50, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::Her dogtags (seen in a high-res promo shot from Unfinish Business) are actually marked "P. Cally". There's a lower-res version of that picture that I put in this article. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:40, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
:::''Caveat [[retroactive continuity|retconis]]''. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:43, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Yep, exactly. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:48, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

== Calliandra ==

During the service, the priestess (or whatever she is) calls Cally by her full name. Her first name is "Calliandra" (or something similar)... May have to watch this one with our Closed Captioning tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:As a new owner of a DVR, I'll dig through it to verify. *snif* I miss Cally...even if she was turning out to be a bit of a frakwit... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::It is "Callendra." The article's been also written to SAC as Cally's last name should be used in bios. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Interestingly, the close captioning in SFC's airing spells it "Calandra", which is [http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Calandra also a female name]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We should have a note that "Cally" was a nickname. With a DVR spenc is really good. :D [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm on serious allergy drugs. I better look again, too. :( --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Bear McCreary spells it as "Callandra" on his [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246 blog]. --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 08:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Should I have to bot change all the <nowiki>[[Cally Yyrol]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]</nowiki> so there is no redirect? Most people know her by Cally and I don't think we should reflect that in most of the articles. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I think we should leave it as it is. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Leave as is... We never changed all those "Louanne Katraine" references to "Sasha", after all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Leave it as/revert to "Cally Tyrol." On Wikipedia, the titles of biography pages have the most common form of the person's name, with the full version subordinated to the first sentence of the article (example: Bill Clinton's page is titled "Bill Clinton," not "William Jefferson Clinton"). -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 13:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::: She was only addressed as "Callandra" once. Either it should be returned to Cally Tyrol, or [[Lee Adama]] needs to be moved to [[Leland Adama]].--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 22:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::: I'll be moving Lee to Leland in a bit.... Frankly, it doesn't really matter much what the article is named, since MediaWiki's got the redirect feature. :) Besides, "Samuel Anders" is called "Sam", "William Adama" is called "Bill", etc., etc. So we're not breaking any links by merely moving the page to its proper title. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::There's no problem with giving full names (like Callandra or Leland) in the article - as long as they are sourced. However, the article should be under the commonly used names and these are Cally and Lee which are used almost exclusively. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 08:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Serial number ==

Where did the present serial number come from? From one of the sets of dogtags I was able to find for this character, her serial number is [[:Image:Cally's dogtag serial.jpg|312883]]. Obviously, that may have originated from the Miniseries and Season 1, since she did not have a last name until later on in the series. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

==Move request==

I requested that this article should be moved back to [[Cally Henderson]].
*It is proper to note (verified) full forms of names in articles, but the article should be under that character's most common name. (And there is nothing in [[/BW:SAC#Characters_Names_and_Titles|SAC]] that requires the recent move so it shouldn't be called "conventionalising".
*The character is almost universally referred to as Cally, while Callandra (or whatever the long form is) appears only once or twice.
*As for the surname:
**It is almost certain that Chief Tyrol married Cally. However, this only happens after two seasons.
**Until then (and that is half of the entire series) Cally's legal surname is certainly Henderson.
**Whether the name changed at marriage we do not know - sure, some wives appear that bear their husband's surname (but right now only Ellen Tigh and Sharon Agathon come to mind) but we do not know that this is universal practice to adopt the husband's name. In fact, Starbuck is a counterexample. She married Anders on New Caprica (see episode [[Unfinished Business]]) but she is to my knowledge never called Kara Anders or Captain Anders.
**Is Cally actually ever called by the surname Tyrol anytime?
**The character was introduced as Cally Henderson - shouldn't we stick to original names even if they changed during the series (and as I noted, the change is a) only a supposed one, b) occurs only about half-way through the series).

And BTW, double naming like "Callandra Henderson Tyrol" is completely fictitious.

[[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 09:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

: They use "Callandra Henderson-Tyrol" in the production, and in the scripts. She has always been called "Henderson-Tyrol" by behind-the-scenes documentation (including breakdowns), and this was confirmed earlier by Bradley Thompson, a writer and producer on the show. Just because they don't say it every week in the show doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the show. Secondly, your point about using the "universal name" is a bit unnecessary since anyone who types in "Cally" or "Cally Henderson" or "Cally Tyrol" redirects here anyway. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, if they use it in the show (and only then, what does "in the production" mean?) then I take back that one point about Henderson-Tyrol (do they use it with a hypen or without one?)
::But the rest stands, no is made even stronger, because if she is Cally Henderson-Tyrol, she is not Cally (or Callandra Tyrol).
::My point about the universal is not unnecessary as we should be using the name most people would type in for an article name. There is actually zero people typing in Callandra as they name is practically never used. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 15:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I am unconcerned about what people type, since the redirects are in place. It's proper to list the person's full name, then list what they are commonly known as. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:::She's called "Callandra Henderson Tyrol" at her funeral. The convention for article titles here is:
:::*[Full First Name] [Full Last Name]. Thus, [[Leland Adama]] (not Lee); [[Samuel Anders]] (not Sam), [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (not Nicky). Obviously this is a little awkward, since they are practically never called by the long versions of their first names, but I think it's at least reasonable.
:::*No middle name or initial. Thus, [[Karl Agathon]], not Karl C. Agathon; [[Samuel Anders]], not Samuel T. Anders. This is important since for many characters, we only know a middle initial, if anything - not including any middle name gets around the issue.
:::*Most current surname. Thus, [[Sharon Agathon]], not [[Sharon Valerii]].
:::As for the naming customs of colonial marriage, we know that Ellen Tigh and Sharon Agathon took their husbands' surnames, and that Kara Thrace and Anastasia Dualla did not. Since both patterns mirror customs in Real Life, and since hyphenated surnames are also common, it at least possible that Cally's full name is Callandra Henderson-Tyrol, but I don't think that's the case - she's called simply "Cally Tyrol" on two occasions in season three ("Precipice" and "Dirty Hands"). The only time the name "Henderson" is ever used in dialogue is at her funeral, which would certainly have been a sufficiently formal occasion for a middle name to have been used - we learn Lee and Nicky's middle names during ceremonies of similar formality. So IMO, "Callandra Tyrol" it is, and "Callandra Tyrol" it should remain.
:::I think the story from behind the scenes is a little more interesting. During the first two seasons, the character is referred to by her rank, "Specialist", three times (by Boomer, Tigh and Crashdown). She is referred to her by her nickname, "Cally", 47 times - by her coworkers (Jammer and Seelix), commanding officers (Tyrol, Lee, Crashdown, and Adama), acquaintances (Duck, Dualla and Athena), and strangers (Cavil). Most interestingly, she is referred to on one occasion as "Specialist Cally". Ranks are not used with first names, and the miniseries novelization even invents a given name for her, calling her "Jane Cally". The impression, overall, is that until the start of the third season, either "Cally" was the character's '''surname''', or her commanders and coworkers were shockingly informal with her compared to other characters.
:::The first appearance of the name "Henderson" is in the novel "Sagittarius is Bleeding", where she is called "Callista Henderson". This was published in October 2006, just prior to Season 3. Even in the third season, though, she's frequently called "Cally" by people in highly formal situations, and never ''once'' named by her rank. In "Unfinished Business", Adama calls her "Cally" in the same sentence that he addresses Tyrol by his rank.
::::'''Adama:''' Chief, good morning. Morning, Cally.
::::'''Tyrol:''' Admiral.
:::In "A Day in the Life", everybody does this:
::::'''Lee:''' Anything strong enough to take out the glass will take out Tyrol and Cally at the same time.
::::'''Athena:''' We'll hold position until Chief and Cally are secured.
::::'''Adama:''' Chief, Cally, Raptor's in position.
::::'''Adama:''' So any word on Chief and Cally?
:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Callandra Tyrol/Archive 1

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Steelviper: /* Move request */ apodo vs apellido

I just thought of this: in going with the Classical-themed names, maybe her full/real name's Calliope. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 20:43, 28 Apr 2005 (EDT)

== New Look ==

The last page was mostly garbage, opinion and things unverified. The new page has information that came directly from the episodes, and is accurate.

:But this picture is horrible...much too dark. I'll see if I cna find a better one. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:39, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:: I added a picture. Actually, I had uploaded it, but forgot to add it to the article the first time around. Let me know your thoughts and concerns about it. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:32, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:::Looks good to me. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:39, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

::::I think it needs a better picture, one of the ones of her smiling on the flight deck. This is the one of her looking sad during Adama's speech. ---Ricimer, 25 Aug 2005

==First Name==

According to the novelization of the miniseries, her first name is "Jane". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)
:I noticed this myself, but I didn't put it up because I don't know if that is canonical. I mean according to the novelization she was also in a relationship with Prosna; I think a lot of this is just "made up" by the writer and not associated with RDM in any shape or form. I need to get around to making a full write-up of the novelization. Updates as I get them. 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 20:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)

== Possibly a nod to B7 ==

Since "Number Six" may be a nod to Prisoner, it may be that "Cally" is a nod to the eponymous telepath on "Blake's Seven," another tough-edged science fiction series. [[User:Below|Below]] 16:26, 2 February 2006 (EST)

:No. I was unaware that Cally was a character name on Blake's 7, but Ron D. Moore stated in the DVD commentary for "Bastille Day" that he picked the names of Cally, Socinus, and Prosna from an internet "Random ancient name generator". I actually had that in my transcript of the DVD commentary. Someone saw fit to remove it. I thought that was okay, but I guess I'll look at the history page and restore it now. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:37, 2 February 2006 (EST)

: I doubt that this is a nod to B7... Unless Avon and Vila show up with Servalan at their heels. :-) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:05, 2 February 2006 (EST)

== Time for a Cally romance ==

She's been in the background for too long. I enjoyed her early development, but it's slacked off to where she just seemed bitter. Cally was a perky upbeat person with a creative streak, and the attack (as did all characters) changed her. Not that I want Cally to become the Whore of the Battlestar, but it would be fun for, say, her and Gaeta to strike a rapport (if not romantic as Gaeta can be a bigger stickler of regs, even with the need to make babies). There's plenty of enlisted; perhaps even she and the chief, Laird...others from Pegasus. I don't want her to become a lost character as Billy K had become. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:Be careful what you wish for. All the people who were asking, "Where's Billy?" probably didn't like the answer they got in Sacrifice... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:46, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::Spencerian, as I dutifully selected representative of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/ cult-following that Nicki "Cally" Clyne has amassed] (me and some of the other regulars on the messageboard are obsessed with her: Solium and Nibblerfan made the fanart and run things, while I wrote up our "thesis" of why Cally is great (read it on the site); basically because I think she's the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and embodies many of the character traits postulated by [[Naturalistic science fiction]], and in short, just like after so much Voyager and Enterprise, there was a backlash with the fans and we all left for BSG, after so much Seven of Nine and T'Pol, there was a backlash in favor of Cally. So it turned into a craze, and they kind of realized how popular she was, gave her more to [[Resistance|do in season 2]], etc.) '''Anyway''', when you say "she's in the backround"...that's just these past few episodes. *****Watch the spoiler pics for "Lay Down Your Burdens", she's going to have ***BIG*** things happening, not to meantion, the Tyrol-Cally- Galactcia-Boomer triangle taking place. '''No''', she does not "just seem bitter", I don't know what you're talking about. She was cool in FotP and Pegasus.
::I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem that you've been obsessing over her for as long and in depth as much as we have; Gaeta is just a random name to say; rather, we've narrowed it down to two possible relationships: 1) Chief Tyrol 2) [[Seelix]]: Cally saved her life, so it would be really logical for her to be friends with Cally. Heck, like Cally, Racetrack, Helo, etc. Seelix was supposed to be a one-shot character (without even a name) but they liked her so they brought her back for FotP.

::Further, this is totally incomparable to Billy. I already thought of Billy as an underused character by the early episodes of season 2, and I didn't really like him, while CALLY was just great!

::'''Cally is not underused. Dualla is more underused than Cally. I like Cally more than Dualla, she's gotten more meaningful development, I think Apollo/Dualla is the most poorly executed storyline the show has ever produced, and frankly, everyone posting on the messageboards has generally been saying "wow....Dualla is not well developed and annoying....and I wish they were talking about Cally"'''

::Things may have focused on other characters for the middle of Season 2.5, but I assure you Spencerian, this post is unwarranted, from the spoilers I've seen for the season finale; "all is proceeding according to PLAN!...."--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:43, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Out of respect, of course, I presume you're disagreeing with my ''comments'' and not the right to post. My post is quite warranted--I want to see more Cally. Anywho...Hopefully the "big" things at season's end don't involve her shooting anyone or getting shot. Dualla is getting a bit more screen time, but seems more like a damsel, which is a shame. I would like BSG to have an episode like ''Babylon 5's'' "[http://tgm.firstones.com/wiki/A_View_from_the_Gallery A View from the Gallery]," where we see some day-to-day events with our lesser but pet favorite characters, like Cally, Seelix, Tyrol, Gaeta, Kat, Hot Dog, and especially Racetrack (don't know what she does to me, but she does). And what's with the lazy talk formatting of your comments? Do I have to call the [[User:Day|Mop Boy]] to come clean up again...? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::::Several points:
::::1) By not means; of course I wasn't attacking your ''right'' to post this etc., I'm just debating the comments, etc.
::::2)....'''You refer to him as "The Boy", now?'''
::::3)That's a better way of putting my Dualla complaints: she has little characterization on her own; first she was defined mostly by her relationship with Billy, and now she's kind of just devolving into the "prize" of Apollo. I don't like where her character is degenerating. That said, I like the actress and she is more than capable of good stuff, I just think that Dualla's handling, case in point the Apollo/Dualla Dualla is meant as a reward for him thing, was one of the few wrong this with the show; it was kind of good in ''theory'' (when RDM talked about it in the Resistance and FotP podcasts, etc.), but the way it just ''sprung up'' now was just ''so'' poorly executed. I mean, just walking up to him in "Black Market" and going "hey, so we have a relationship, right?" (''shudder''); Sacrifice was better, but she was mostly damsel in distress, and further, her opennign dialog with Apollo "weren't that great" ("wow, that moment was...electric", etc. and "I can't quite figure ''You'' out Apollo"), again, my whole thing just being "wow, they never had a relationship before. This came about completely randomly, and they're acting as if it was some longstanding thing. The actors make a good job of it as best they can, but I really just want them to drop this relationship in season three"., etc.
::::4)Yes, I've alwas wanted another "View from the Gallery"/"Lower Decks" episode. Oh, Flight of the Phoenix was KIND OF like that, but I'd like more of it. Racetrack is also cool too. The reason I like Racetrack and also Duck is because they're such downers and pessimistic/pragmatic, i.e. like normal people. Sort of, you notice how on Star Trek often times even in really bad situations everyone tends to still be cheerful and optimistic? Well, logically, more of the pilots and civilians and regular people should be a little distraught at their situation. None too happy or perky, like Dr. Cottle, etc. Racetrack is indeed cool. I wish we'd finally have Helo in a Raptor again, paired with Racetrack etc.; not enough Raptor team stuff lately. But my pet project, "wishlist" episode, is like, TNG had "Data's Day" so why not "Cally's Day" or "Tyrol's Day", which focus entirely on like Tyrol (in which case Cally would be a main character), etc. etc. etc.
::::5) Giving Cally armor and Katanas etc. doesn't really work. The point of why Cally is cool (the Anti-Seven of Nine) is that she's not some cliche scifi female warrior, kick-ass Lara Croft type She has to use a rifle in early season 2, she's totally inexperienced, distraught and out of her element. Shooting Galactica-Boomer did really seem in character and GREAT though, as she cares about the Chief and would hate her for hurting him. I must say, it was one of those PERFECT tv moments where you go "I had NO IDEA that was going to happen....yet it was entirely logical, and I SHOULD HAVE seen it coming"....like when Cardassia joined the Dominion in Deep Space Nine, I was totally shocked, but realized that it was so logical, I should have seen it coming but didn't. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:14, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::::: Uh. Hello, suh. I'll just be gettin' to work, then. *mops Merv's face* Bit of a mess in here, it is. *mops Spence's face* --[[User:Day|Day]] 07:24, 15 February 2006 (EST)

== Cally Tyrol? ==

Since Cally's now Tryol's wife, should we concider giving her his last name in the article, or just wait and see until its confirmed on screen or in dialouge? -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 01:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:In the novelization, Cally is her surname. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:58, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::Oh, now ''that'''s interesting. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:22, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:We also don't know for sure that Tyrol and Cally are married (or even that Tyrol is the father of her child). --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 08:35, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::Given that they were building up the Cally/Tyrol relationship in Act 1, I think it's obviously implied to be his. As for "married", well he's a really religious man (a Gemenon, son of a priest, etc.) I mean, if he is having a baby with Cally, you think they ''wouldn't'' be married but our lovable morons Anders and Starbuck ''are''?--~
:::The implication is strong, but it's not crystal clear enough to note here without a hedge. I'm pretty sure we'll get a real confirmation in October. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:19, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::::I agree with the implication of them being married. However, that doesn't mean Cally will be taking Galen Tyrol's last name unless they say so. There are a lot of married couples nowadays that don't follow the "Western" tradition of the wife taking the husband's last name. You can't assume that the colonials all follow the same tradition. Will Starbuck be called Kara Anders? Probably for the continuouty of the show, probably not. -- [[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (MST)

With confirmation that Cally is married, we face a little problem in that this article uses the character's first name throughout, instead of the last name per convention. I'm OK on it because of the limited data we had to date, but we should consider the need to conventionize this article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:17, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
: <s>Actually, the issue I have right now is ''which'' last name to use. For instance, it's never been explicitly stated that Cally took on Tyrol's last name, unless I've missed something?</s> Frak, never mind. She did take Tyrol as her last name. {{tl|duncehat}} -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:26, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
: Based on Bradley's info, we should go ahead and conventionize the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:29, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
::Don't feel too bad. I did the same thing. Where's the proof! Oh. There it is. Yeah, let's go ahead and conventionize (even though Cally Tyrol still sounds like you're talking about two different characters). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:49, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
:::S.S.D.Article. If we keep the Tighs and Adamas on track, we can make Cally work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:50, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

I agree that the two are almost certainly married. However, that doesn't justify moving the article to anything giving the surname Tyrol. a) For a good part of the series they are not married, b) to my knowledge Cally is never referred to as Mrs Tyrol, Specialist Tyrol etc. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 08:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Conventionized ==

The article now fits with our standards and conventions. Like the name popularity of Helo, I won't be put off if the convention is occasionally violated in the article, 'cause Cally is just so gosh-dern cute. As season 3 goes along, contributions should use "Tyrol" and not "Henderson" or "Henderson Tyrol." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:19, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:Do we have confirmation that Cally ever took Galen's surname? If not, shouldn't [[Anastasia Dualla]] be moved to [[Anastasia Dualla Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to [[Kara Thrace Anders]] under the same rationalle? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::That's an interesting question. I've been generally following the [[BW:OC]] on this, but others might have been getting ahead on this. Cally's sourcing is confirmed (see [[Sources:Cally Henderson Tyrol]]), although I don't expect to see any credits changed in the shows. The two other marriages are best left alone and, better, asked of in BW:OC, as I am not aware of any sources related to their name changes. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:20, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:Using "Henderson" instead of Cally is confusing. The only name used on the show is "Cally," after all...--[[User:Space Travel|Space Travel]] 15:03, 14 February 2007 (CST)
:: Well, yes, but it's improper to refer to the subject of a formal biography by their first name. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:06, 14 February 2007 (CST)

===Move===
I'd like to move this article to [[Cally Tyrol]]. We have no confirmation that Cally kept "Henderson" as a middle name. Also, we've generally avoided middle names and initials in the past, and I think we should continue to do so. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:01, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

:I tend to agree. Simplifies links, too. We can keep the full name as a redirect, naturally. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:I agree. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:31, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==

Todo:
*Headings
*Season 3 Info
--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:54, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Made some headway with this- what do you think? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:40, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

:Sorry for the edit conflict and unintentional rollback of your last edits, Madbrood. Thanks for updating the article to current events (which I returned to the article). I've reformatted and concised the article to fit the season 3 character bios such as in [[William Adama]] and [[Gaius Baltar]]. That should take care of cleanup for this one. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

::No problem.I ''did'' kinda think, while I was bored at work, that I probably should have reviewed a couple of other character bios before jumping in, but I'm glad I could be of ''some'' assistance :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:47, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

==Rank==

We need sourcing on her rank as PO2. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)
:[[:Image:Season 3 - Promo - Unfinished Business - Cally.jpg|"Unfinished Business"]] shows PO2 (those darn little lines aren't the easiest to see, but it looks like they are there). I'm not sure whether that rank still applies though... is she still active duty after the baby? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:21, 14 December 2006 (CST)
::Without a shadow of a doubt PO2. In the highres version it's very obvious. Though it's a good idea to confirm it in other episodes too, since there are sometimes one-episode errors with the rankpins and PO2 and Specialist are very similar.
::And she was on duty in "Torn". When Kara brough her damaged Viper home --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:35, 14 December 2006 (CST)
:::Ah. Right you are. Unfortunately, she's in the orange jumpsuit in "Torn" (no rank visible). And the rank picture we do have is several months out of date (though her absence from duty makes it unlikely that she shot up through the ranks in the interim). I'll scan through a bit more, but that might be our best shot for now. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:55, 14 December 2006 (CST)

== Henderson name on screen ==

In the notes it says that the prop department would use "Henderson" to label her equipment, clothing and locker. Is any of that actually visible on screen? If not, it doesn't mean they didn't do that, but it would be good to get a screenshot if possible. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:22, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

:I think we've been all searching for something like this since we got wind of her last name, but very very little of her personal effects have appeared. Since [[Bradley Thompson|Brad]] has confirmed the use of the name on props (per an OC question), it's not a point of question, but it would be good if we find anything at all. Her [[dog tags]] would be the best evidence. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:50, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::Her dogtags (seen in a high-res promo shot from Unfinish Business) are actually marked "P. Cally". There's a lower-res version of that picture that I put in this article. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:40, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
:::''Caveat [[retroactive continuity|retconis]]''. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:43, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Yep, exactly. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:48, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

== Calliandra ==

During the service, the priestess (or whatever she is) calls Cally by her full name. Her first name is "Calliandra" (or something similar)... May have to watch this one with our Closed Captioning tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 18:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:As a new owner of a DVR, I'll dig through it to verify. *snif* I miss Cally...even if she was turning out to be a bit of a frakwit... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::It is "Callendra." The article's been also written to SAC as Cally's last name should be used in bios. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Interestingly, the close captioning in SFC's airing spells it "Calandra", which is [http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Calandra also a female name]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 02:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We should have a note that "Cally" was a nickname. With a DVR spenc is really good. :D [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm on serious allergy drugs. I better look again, too. :( --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Bear McCreary spells it as "Callandra" on his [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=246 blog]. --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 08:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Should I have to bot change all the <nowiki>[[Cally Yyrol]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Callandra Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]</nowiki> so there is no redirect? Most people know her by Cally and I don't think we should reflect that in most of the articles. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I think we should leave it as it is. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Leave as is... We never changed all those "Louanne Katraine" references to "Sasha", after all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 15:53, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Leave it as/revert to "Cally Tyrol." On Wikipedia, the titles of biography pages have the most common form of the person's name, with the full version subordinated to the first sentence of the article (example: Bill Clinton's page is titled "Bill Clinton," not "William Jefferson Clinton"). -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 13:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::: She was only addressed as "Callandra" once. Either it should be returned to Cally Tyrol, or [[Lee Adama]] needs to be moved to [[Leland Adama]].--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 22:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::: I'll be moving Lee to Leland in a bit.... Frankly, it doesn't really matter much what the article is named, since MediaWiki's got the redirect feature. :) Besides, "Samuel Anders" is called "Sam", "William Adama" is called "Bill", etc., etc. So we're not breaking any links by merely moving the page to its proper title. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::There's no problem with giving full names (like Callandra or Leland) in the article - as long as they are sourced. However, the article should be under the commonly used names and these are Cally and Lee which are used almost exclusively. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 08:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Serial number ==

Where did the present serial number come from? From one of the sets of dogtags I was able to find for this character, her serial number is [[:Image:Cally's dogtag serial.jpg|312883]]. Obviously, that may have originated from the Miniseries and Season 1, since she did not have a last name until later on in the series. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:54, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

==Move request==

I requested that this article should be moved back to [[Cally Henderson]].
*It is proper to note (verified) full forms of names in articles, but the article should be under that character's most common name. (And there is nothing in [[/BW:SAC#Characters_Names_and_Titles|SAC]] that requires the recent move so it shouldn't be called "conventionalising".
*The character is almost universally referred to as Cally, while Callandra (or whatever the long form is) appears only once or twice.
*As for the surname:
**It is almost certain that Chief Tyrol married Cally. However, this only happens after two seasons.
**Until then (and that is half of the entire series) Cally's legal surname is certainly Henderson.
**Whether the name changed at marriage we do not know - sure, some wives appear that bear their husband's surname (but right now only Ellen Tigh and Sharon Agathon come to mind) but we do not know that this is universal practice to adopt the husband's name. In fact, Starbuck is a counterexample. She married Anders on New Caprica (see episode [[Unfinished Business]]) but she is to my knowledge never called Kara Anders or Captain Anders.
**Is Cally actually ever called by the surname Tyrol anytime?
**The character was introduced as Cally Henderson - shouldn't we stick to original names even if they changed during the series (and as I noted, the change is a) only a supposed one, b) occurs only about half-way through the series).

And BTW, double naming like "Callandra Henderson Tyrol" is completely fictitious.

[[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 09:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

: They use "Callandra Henderson-Tyrol" in the production, and in the scripts. She has always been called "Henderson-Tyrol" by behind-the-scenes documentation (including breakdowns), and this was confirmed earlier by Bradley Thompson, a writer and producer on the show. Just because they don't say it every week in the show doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the show. Secondly, your point about using the "universal name" is a bit unnecessary since anyone who types in "Cally" or "Cally Henderson" or "Cally Tyrol" redirects here anyway. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 14:03, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::Okay, if they use it in the show (and only then, what does "in the production" mean?) then I take back that one point about Henderson-Tyrol (do they use it with a hypen or without one?)
::But the rest stands, no is made even stronger, because if she is Cally Henderson-Tyrol, she is not Cally (or Callandra Tyrol).
::My point about the universal is not unnecessary as we should be using the name most people would type in for an article name. There is actually zero people typing in Callandra as they name is practically never used. [[User:Str1977|Str1977]] 15:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:::I am unconcerned about what people type, since the redirects are in place. It's proper to list the person's full name, then list what they are commonly known as. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 17:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:::She's called "Callandra Henderson Tyrol" at her funeral. The convention for article titles here is:
:::*[Full First Name] [Full Last Name]. Thus, [[Leland Adama]] (not Lee); [[Samuel Anders]] (not Sam), [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (not Nicky). Obviously this is a little awkward, since they are practically never called by the long versions of their first names, but I think it's at least reasonable.
:::*No middle name or initial. Thus, [[Karl Agathon]], not Karl C. Agathon; [[Samuel Anders]], not Samuel T. Anders. This is important since for many characters, we only know a middle initial, if anything - not including any middle name gets around the issue.
:::*Most current surname. Thus, [[Sharon Agathon]], not [[Sharon Valerii]].
:::As for the naming customs of colonial marriage, we know that Ellen Tigh and Sharon Agathon took their husbands' surnames, and that Kara Thrace and Anastasia Dualla did not. Since both patterns mirror customs in Real Life, and since hyphenated surnames are also common, it at least possible that Cally's full name is Callandra Henderson-Tyrol, but I don't think that's the case - she's called simply "Cally Tyrol" on two occasions in season three ("Precipice" and "Dirty Hands"). The only time the name "Henderson" is ever used in dialogue is at her funeral, which would certainly have been a sufficiently formal occasion for a middle name to have been used - we learn Lee and Nicky's middle names during ceremonies of similar formality. So IMO, "Callandra Tyrol" it is, and "Callandra Tyrol" it should remain.
:::I think the story from behind the scenes is a little more interesting. During the first two seasons, the character is referred to by her rank, "Specialist", three times (by Boomer, Tigh and Crashdown). She is referred to her by her nickname, "Cally", 47 times - by her coworkers (Jammer and Seelix), commanding officers (Tyrol, Lee, Crashdown, and Adama), acquaintances (Duck, Dualla and Athena), and strangers (Cavil). Most interestingly, she is referred to on one occasion as "Specialist Cally". Ranks are not used with first names, and the miniseries novelization even invents a given name for her, calling her "Jane Cally". The impression, overall, is that until the start of the third season, either "Cally" was the character's '''surname''', or her commanders and coworkers were shockingly informal with her compared to other characters.
:::The first appearance of the name "Henderson" is in the novel "Sagittarius is Bleeding", where she is called "Callista Henderson". This was published in October 2006, just prior to Season 3. Even in the third season, though, she's frequently called "Cally" by people in highly formal situations, and never ''once'' named by her rank. In "Unfinished Business", Adama calls her "Cally" in the same sentence that he addresses Tyrol by his rank.
::::'''Adama:''' Chief, good morning. Morning, Cally.
::::'''Tyrol:''' Admiral.
:::In "A Day in the Life", everybody does this:
::::'''Lee:''' Anything strong enough to take out the glass will take out Tyrol and Cally at the same time.
::::'''Athena:''' We'll hold position until Chief and Cally are secured.
::::'''Adama:''' Chief, Cally, Raptor's in position.
::::'''Adama:''' So any word on Chief and Cally?
:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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==2009 Debate==
===March 2009===

Ok, I'd like some help picking a new [[BW:FA|Featured article]].

[[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] has been up for awhile and I'm tired of looking at it. :)

Please review the criteria at [[BW:FA|the Featured article page]] and post your ideas for a new Featured article here.
Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

====Featured article candidates====

* [[New Caprica]]
* [[Resurrection Ship]]
* [[Cylon Civil War]]
**{{support}} My initial inclination is to go with the Civil War, since it's pretty relevant at the moment. My only problem with the article is that it's almost exclusively a plot restatement, but it does help refresh the reader about all the events and participants involved in the conflict. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
* [[Astral Queen]]

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==2009 Debate==
===March 2009===

Ok, I'd like some help picking a new [[BW:FA|Featured article]].

[[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] has been up for awhile and I'm tired of looking at it. :)

Please review the criteria at [[BW:FA|the Featured article page]] and post your ideas for a new Featured article here.
Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 02:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

====Featured article candidates====

* [[New Caprica]]
* [[Resurrection Ship]]
* [[Cylon Civil War]]
--{{support}} My initial inclination is to go with the Civil War, since it's pretty relevant at the moment. My only problem with the article is that it's almost exclusively a plot restatement, but it does help refresh the reader about all the events and participants involved in the conflict. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
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