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User talk:BlueResistance

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== A Note on Language/Aerelon/Grace Park ==

It is true that Grace Park is a fluent speaker of Korean, but her English--either as Sharon Valerii or as herself in interviews--bears no trace of a Korean accent whatsoever. I am married to a native Korean speaker, have friends and colleagues who speak Korean either as their first or second language, and have been studying the language for a few years myself, so I am absolutely certain that Korean has no bearing on what might or might not be considered an Aerelon accent.

On a somewhat smaller matter, there is no accepted version of English called "General English," with a capital G. I am willing to accept a lower case g, "general English," to indicate "common sense" notions about the accent/group of accents.

:Please, do me the courtesy of replying to my comments before altering [[Language in the Twelve Colonies]] unilaterally. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:45, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::I'm sorry, I'm new to this system and I didn't see your comments or the "Languages of the Twelve Colonies" talk page until after I had made the changes. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what goes where.

:::No harm, no foul. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

Can I just respond to you here, for now? It seems more convenient. You said that Grace Park's bilingualism would come up eventually. I would recommend limiting discussions of her bilingualism to the actress' bio page. The label "Korean" doesn't meaningfully describe anything that's going on when Sharon/Boomer is speaking. My own Korean is getting good enough that I'm approaching true "bilingual" status, but nobody would use "Korean" to describe my English.

:It's better to have the conversation on the relevant article's talk page, so that others can participate. I'm copying your comments there once again. Tip: to sign your comments, use <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:55, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for reverting the idiotic blanking vandalism done recently! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 05:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
:My pleasure, but sorry I got around to fixing only two or three--some problems came up here at home. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 12:10, 30 December 2010 (EDT)
:: No need to apologize, I was able to get the rest. Hope all is well! :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

== Punctuation ==

A comma is after the second quotation mark, not before, when the reason there are quotation marks is that it's an episode title, as this makes the marks part of an object not a quote. A comma is not used before the last term in a series when it's a simple series according to AP Style, which I follow in my work as web editor for my university's CIT department. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 10:12, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

:As you noted, AP style avoids serial commas before conjunctions in a series of simple terms. However, Battlestar Wiki is not governed by AP style rules: it isn't journalism, nor is there anything in the Standards and Conventions regarding AP style. Therefore, a writer may follow AP style on this point or s/he may not, based on her/his preference. I won't second guess your choice in this matter. But, you are wrong about commas and periods inside or outside quotation marks and AP style--even AP style requires them inside the quotation marks, with no exceptions for the titles of creative works. Here is a small selection of websites covering AP style, including at least one with samples of creative works in quotation marks:

http://www.brandeis.edu/communications/webcommunications/images/apstyle.pdf
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/735/02/
http://www.sc.edu/webpresence/editorial_guide/punctuation.html

Placing commas and periods inside quotation marks is not just an AP rule; it is standard across the majority of American styles, unless there is a chance of ambiguity, which would not be a risk here. You're confusing American style with British style (a.k.a. "logical punctuation").

HOWEVER, bringing the discussion back to Battlestar Wiki, the specific [[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions/Prose#Episode.2C_TV.2C_and_Movie_Title_Formats|Standards and Conventions for this wiki]] state, "Contrary to standard American punctuation rules, place commas and periods after the quotation mark." Therefore, you were correct about the commas in this case, but not for the reason you thought. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]], 23:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC).
: I didn't say the quote thing was AP. Anyway, I'm glad it's resolved. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:16, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

==Aft Damage Control==

Hi BlueResistance ... I see what you did to my edits on [[Aft Damage Control]] and I think they look great - thanks for cleaning it up as nicely as you did, I agree that it looks better now than my last edit - [[User:Flatulist|Flatulist]] 22:03, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

==Spammers==

Since you and I are being targeted in that last spat of spam, I protected our user and talk pages. As of now, only admin can modify the user pages and no new or unregistered people can edit our talk pages. This should prevent or minimize the risk of that happening again. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:57, 7 October 2012 (EDT)

== Osiris ==

I know. It's weird. But I keep hearing it referenced as a Battlestar in official media. To me, it isn't, but I asked about it on the official B&C Facebook page, which I think is run by one of BSG Wiki's founders, I got a reply back stating it's written on the ship's patch. When I went back to episode 4, I can barely see "battlestar" written on it, but the ship is too dark to make out the ship's name. Curiously, many of the characters are filmed from their right side.

I've put in an inquiry to the ANOVOS page (who made the B&C uniforms), to see what they did with the patch.

Maybe perhaps in canon it might be an earlier "battlestar" built before the onset of the war? It's been said on Serge's Twitter that the Colonials were already using that designation before the war.

-- [[user:Frylock86|Frylock86]]

== Great work! ==

I would like to congratulate you on your good work in maintaining such things as the airdates and so on. I really appreciate it.--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 22:13, 23 March 2013 (EDT)
:My pleasure! -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:49, 24 March 2013 (EDT)

== My recent edits ==

Let me know on my talk page when you get this with your response. I didn't get that message from you until a few minutes ago so sorry about that. You can erase the Delphi Skirmish page if you want, your probably right about that, but the others should probably stay. Most of my other edits that are not new pages are adding information where its lacking and in some pages like the Sharon Valerii page adding the episode tags. I wrote most of the information where those tags had to go myself back when the episode came out (I also created some of the battle pages such as the Battle of the Colony) and forgot to add them then. I noticed it and fixed it that's all. On the Kobol battle page I added a bit more where it seemed warranted. I actually considered adding the Skirmish on Kobol as part of that battle but then I decided to make it separate since I figured there must be a reason it wasn't added there as part of that battle. Not too sure about the Skirmish With a Raider page so if you think it should go do it but I thought it should be added since they ''did'' battle that Raider. The one with Scar should stay since that was kinda a major skirmish. I added Hera's kidnapping since that was a major event that led up to the Battle of the Colony. The one at the farm was kinda major since that's where they met Simon for the first time and its more than just a hand-to-hand fight so I'd like that kept if possible. I figured it'd be alright to add the skirmishes since the one over the Red Moon is there so its obviously not forbidden. I'm just on a BSG craze lately and decided to add some stuff. That's it though besides any edits to existing pages I feel need to be done. As for the multiple edits to the pages I created that was mostly me going back and editing ''myself'' where I noticed mistakes when I read the completed product. My computer is giving me a hard time with displaying the finished work and I can't get preview pages. I actually have to save then hit Back to the original opened page to see what I've done all the time. Believe it or not I've got Rollback rights on the Kane Chronicles wiki due to my contributions there (don't really understand that) and was promoted to Administrator myself on the Gears of War wiki. Not sure how ''that'' happened and I don't really do much more than I used to do as I don't really understand that role.--[[User:WarGrowlmon15|WarGrowlmon15]] 02:52, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
:Please don't explain all of this. Just allow your work to stand or fall on its own. More importantly, take a short break and give other users of the Wiki a chance to catch up. -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 07:39, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
::Well I ''am'' done for now. Like I said the most I'll do is minor edits to existing pages like I've done in the past. I'm all done adding new pages. I would've liked it though if you'd responded to my thoughts about why I did the things I did. I wrote that because I wanted your opinion on it.--[[User:WarGrowlmon15|WarGrowlmon15]] 12:30, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
:::I will respond in detail, while reviewing and editing individual contributions (and hopefully other users will contribute, too). A user talk page isn't the place to go into every specific issue with other articles. Trying to comment on everything in one massive paragraph at once would be too time consuming (one of the main issues here) and overwhelming from both a writing perspective and a reading perspective. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 12:50, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
::::I actually ''did'' put some of my thoughts on the talk page for the Skirmish With Scar article when I wrote it but no one's responded. I'm just curious if your going to delete the Delphi Museum one. I know you don't like it and probably have a point (and in the paragraph I said go ahead if you want to) but its still up. All I want is the Scar, Farm, Kobol and Kidnapping of Hera pages to stay. I think they're important enough to the plot to warrant that much. I don't care if they're edited, go ahead and do that, I ''welcome'' it but I just don't want all my work deleted.--[[User:WarGrowlmon15|WarGrowlmon15]] 13:37, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
:::::Unfortunately, you aren't understanding the need to step back and allow others the time they require to look through your work, or my request that you avoid discussing individual articles here. I'll have to put up a block. Remember that this is only temporary. -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 17:41, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

== My Block ==

I'm also posting this here since I'm not sure if your watching my talk page. If you are, sorry and just let me know. I've never seen Crapica and I don't do episode summaries so I won't be doing Blood and Chrome. I've tried to add information on pages where it was needed by that's it. Oh and you said the block was till Friday or Saturday. It's Monday and it kinda pissed me off especially as you've left a broken link on a page for days that's easily fixed and I can't do anything about it. I told you I was basically done. All I was doing when you blocked me was making a few of the battle pages that were just one giant summary into pages that looked more like most of the battle pages on this wiki. They weren't really up to standards.--[[User:WarGrowlmon15|WarGrowlmon15]] 11:51, 18 August 2014 (EDT)

== Redundant Links ==

We don't put links in each section here that are the same??? Sorry, I didn't realize that. I'm a major contributor on ''many'' wikis including this one and actually hold the position of Administrator (their version of Chief) on another one due to all my contributions. On the other ones, including the one where I'm Administrator we put links like that. Or at least no one's said any different. I thought that was fine. Oh and thanks for fixing the Battle of the Asteroid Fields thing. That ''is'' a better name and it is still at least mostly my work.--[[User:WarGrowlmon15|WarGrowlmon15]] 11:54, 18 August 2014 (EDT)

== Hey there! ==

Blue: Hey there! Glad to see that you and Jubal are trying to keep the old Bucket operational.

I'm trying to get in here weekly now, despite the fact that we're clearly in maintenance mode with no new content. I still have sysop priveleges but I see database errors are occurring with any edit. We need Joe/Shane's return to help here for as long as the wiki is hosted to tweak or update the database code Thus, I won't approve any pending account requests I see but want to put up a message indicating that the wiki is in maintenance mode for now, as well as try to change Featured Articles and such.

Let me know what's been up and how I can help anywhere. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 13 November 2014 (EST)

User talk:JubalHarshaw

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== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
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We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 12:36, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

== Thanks for the Cleanup ==

With 1,700 articles to patrol, the admins (myself included) thank you for helping us in consistency with the minor edits you've done. It's much appreciated. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:48, 26 December 2006 (CST)
:Word. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:43, 26 December 2006 (CST)
::Glad to help, and thanks for the kudos. Please let me know if you see anything that's incorrect or inconsistent in my edits and I'll be sure to clean them up. Generally I just look at other articles in the category (or, at the more fleshed-out RDM episode articles when dealing with the TOS episodes, etc.) to get a feel for the standards and layouts to follow. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:53, 27 December 2006 (CST)
:::Ditto. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:11, 27 December 2006 (CST)

== You are among the Trusted ==

Per [[BW:MOVE|your page move request]] and policy qualifications, you are now among the Trusted Users of the Sponge. Use your powers wisely. Maybe someday you'll become a member of the [[Mop Boy|Order of the Mop]] or Squeegee. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:10, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
: Thanks much, Spencerian! I'm honored, and I'll be worthy of the Trust! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 17:13, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

== {{tl|bsgwiki term}} ==

I created before. I forgot to tell people about it. :-D [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:01, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
: Thanks Shane! Whatever the need, Shane has the breed (of template, that is!) :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:06, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

== Take the Red Mop ==

[[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/JubalHarshaw|Take the red mop]], and we will show you how deep the rabbit hole goes (and how much Pine Sol will fill it). '''You're a nominee for adminship.''' State your case on the page! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:25, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

== GTalk ==

Sent you an invite. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:41, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

== Earth... ==

Do all the TOS ones.. and I can have the replace bot go through and do it automatically for the RDM ones... ;-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:18, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
:You don't have to do the RDM ones. I think TOS is ready, so we can have Shane activate the bot. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:24, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::Sounds good. I was just hitting a few of the quotes, they're not categorized, so I wasn't sure if the bot would hit them or not. Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 08:27, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:::I believe the bot sees everything. Anyway, I'll let Shane know he can let loose the bot on the [[Earth]] links as well. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:30, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

==TOS template==
Can you please stop adding the {{tl|TOS}} to original series articles. The template is not yet ready to be rolled out to pages yet and even when its finished testing we will get a bot to do all the changes not done manually. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:03, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
: Sure, sorry. I just saw it on a of TOS number of pages already when I was looking around last night and thought it was ready for prime time. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 08:32, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
::A few people jumped the gun last night as began adding it to TOS pages but its still not properly ready yet which is why people had stopped adding them. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 08:46, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

== Please congratulate JubalHarshaw! ==

You are now The One...OK, OK, you're one of many, [[Mop Boy]]! Congratulations on your promotion! Here is a link [[w:Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide|that may help you with the extra tools]] you have access to in the toolbar and the Special pages area. Most of them apply here. Be sure to read through policies to refresh them in your mind; it's important to know them well. Good luck. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:10, 21 April 2007 (CDT)<sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
:Congrats ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:14, 21 April 2007 (CDT)

== Blog? ==

Do you have an user account on the blog? [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 13:49, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:I've now registered there. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:38, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

== Bug/Issue with Template:User_Data ==

Hiya, thanks for the welcome, but I noticed something of an...error? with the user data template - ''"gender: Male or Female. This option will also place you in '''Category:Male Wikipedians''' or '''Category:Female Wikipedians'''."'' - that shouldn't really be "Wikipedians", should it (neither the categories themselves nor where the template places people)? I mean...this isn't Wikipedia, so...:) hope this is a helpful thing to point out, anyway. Take care! [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 10:26, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah, I wondered about that as well when I wrote the gender thing, but since [[:Category:Wikipedians]] already existed, I decided to go with that. I've brought up the issue on [[Category talk:Wikipedians]], please continue discussion there. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:08, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
::Hi Marianne. I'd never really thought about that, as I consider anyone who contributes to ''any'' Wiki (Wikipedia or otherwise) a "Wikipedian". :) Let's see what the consensus is in the discussion Catrope mentions above. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 12:14, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

== Bathtub cylon ==

Thanks! It just sort of came to me. I really should contribute more often :) [[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 07:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

== Loco weed ==

Did you see my [[Talk:New Caprican loco weed|possible discovery]] of weed within the Fleet? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:21, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

== Happy Birthday, Runner! ==

Happy birthday, [[w:Logan's Run (1976 film)|Runner]]! ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:39, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
:I wonder what the Happy Birthday song is on BSG? :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 22:50, 16 September 2007 (CDT)
::31... that means youve only got one year to go before you have to be sensible :O lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 17 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Thanks for the birthday wishes, guys. As for the 32nd birthday "sensibility" deadline ... probably not going to make it! ;) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 08:24, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

==Hulu==
Hulu videos need to be added to the "watch pages" for [[The Lost Warrior]], [[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]], [[The Oath]], [[Deadlock]], [[Someone to Watch Over Me]], [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]], [[Daybreak, Part I]], [[Daybreak, Part II]]. [[User:R9tgokunks|R9tgokunks]] 02:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
: How does one do that?[[User:R9tgokunks|R9tgokunks]] 02:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

==Star of Kobol==
*Thank you very much! As my mother would say, I'm whelmed over. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks for contributing to the Philosophy section and nominating it ==

Thanks- I started the section several years ago because I believe that it can be a starting point for deeper understanding and imagination that make BSG more than a script in the mind of the fan. There is still great potential for that section to be developed and linked out to individual episode or character descriptions. Glad you visited!

== Need a hand? ==

Hey, Jubal. Looks like you and Blue have been keeping the dust off the old wiki.

I still have my sysop privileges but keeping things in maintenance mode is probably the best thing. Besides, Joe seems inactive and he and Shane don't seem to have done any updates to the MediaWiki software, and database errors are happening on any edit I make. It might just be me.

I'm not going to approve the new account requests I see right now. I'd like to put something on the main page to indicate we are in maintenance mode at present so people understand.

I'll try to log in at least weekly to help keep the page alive a bit. Perhaps if Glen Larson gets another greenlight on his film, the wiki activity will pick up and Joe the Anointed will return to freshen up the code. Let me know if I can help.

User:Spencerian

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Spencerian: Guess who's back? See Availability.

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I'm '''Kevin H. Spencer''', a resident of Indianapolis, Indiana (yes, the [http://www.indy500.com home of that big car race in the spring], but maybe you know us now as the home of the 2006-7 [http://www.colts.com Super Bowl champions now]). I'm one of three bureaucrats (administrators with squeegees for user account maintenance to go with my [[Mop Boy|virtual mop]]) here on Battlestar Wiki. (That's why I wear a [[deckhand]] jumpsuit and carry the Bureaucrat Squeegee.)

I'm a computer systems engineer, specializing in Mac OS X technologies. To make myself more curiously unique, I'm also a black conservative. I don't even speak "Jive." The world has all kinds.
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My interests are fewer in my older age, but their intensity (obsession?) to what few items I enjoy can border on zealotry.

*I'm a huge ''[[w:The Matrix|Matrix]]'' fan (as if my photo here doesn't give you a clue). I'm about as versed on the Matrix trilogy and its philosophy as I am about ''Battlestar''. I've started quite a few articles on [http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page The MetaCortex Database], a Matrix wiki. The woman dressed as Trinity is my sweetie (''Dibs'', Neo!)
*Growing up on the original ''Star Trek'' and ''Battlestar Galactica'', my tastes on "mainstream" science fiction have graduated far from what ''Star Trek'' has become. I use ''[[w:Babylon 5|Babylon 5]]'' as a good writing baseline.
*I attend a few science fiction conventions in the Midwest, and enjoyed one in the south in 2006. I tend to keep a low profile, except when I appear in costume.
*My exposure to "The Matrix" has, in part, led me to become a member of the [[w:Roman Catholic Church|Catholic Church]]. It's a curious, mysterious story that led me there that, in some ways, was like Neo's trip through the Looking Glass. My spiritual discoveries (in part from my ''Matrix'' interests) have also led me to study the traditions of [[w:Buddhism|Buddhism]]. I'm nowhere close to enlightenment, but at least I've found a Path.
*While not a big fan of the last three ''Star Trek'' spinoffs, I'm very fond of the fan-generated [http://www.newvoyages.com/ New Voyages] episodes of the original ''Star Trek''. This is '''very''' impressive stuff, and is free to watch. A must-visit. I'm also very supportive of CBS's reissue of the original ''Star Trek'' with CGI graphics. Normally this might be a formula for controversy (''a la'' the ''Star Wars'' expanded editions), but the combination of the (highly cleaned and clear) live-action with the un-matted graphics that fit precisely with their originally-shot model renderings make watching TOS a new joy.
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Apollo (TOS)

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''This article discusses the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] character known as Apollo. For information on his [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] counterpart with the pilot callsign of "Apollo," see [[Lee Adama]].''

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|parents= [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], commander of the battlestar ''Galactica'', and [[Ila]]
|siblings= [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] and [[Zak (TOS)|Zak]] (KIA)
|children= [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]] (adopted)
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|role= [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] pilot, [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]''
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Captain '''Apollo''' is ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica's]]'' lead [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] pilot, leading [[Blue Squadron]] in the defense of the [[The Fleet (TOS)|rag-tag, fugitive fleet]].

=== The Peace Conference ===
Apollo goes out on a patrol with his brother [[Zac]], just prior to the [[Cimtar Peace Accords|peace conference]]. They discover some [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylon]] [[Cylon freighter (TOS)|freighters]] and then encounter an armada of Cylon [[Raider (TOS)|Raiders]].

In the course of destroying some scout Raiders that approach, Zac's Viper loses power to one engine. After the Raider fleet begins their run towards the peace conference and the battlestar fleet, Zac tells his brother to go ahead to warn the fleet, allowing Apollo to report the enemy activity back to [[Galactica (TOS)|''Galactica'']]. Apollo is able to warn [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], but Zac is killed by the Raiders as they caught up with the disabled Viper just as Zac entered visual range of the Colonial fleet ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

When [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] insists on going to the surface of [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]] in a [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttle]], Apollo insists that the commander ride to the planet as a passenger in his Viper for added protection. On the surface, Apollo is accosted by angry colonists who survived the genocide, but Adama is able to rally them to find any ship they could fly to leave Caprica and to ''Galactica's'' protection.

=== After the Cylon Attack ===
Apollo helps inspect ships in the newly formed [[The Fleet (TOS)|fleet]]. While aboard the freighter [[Gemini (TOS)|''Gemini'']], he discovers that [[Uri|certain individuals]] were hoarding supplies aboard the [[Rising Star (TOS)|''Rising Star'']], while others went without. Apollo ensures that supplies are fairly distributed, much to the displeasure of [[Sire]] Uri. Apollo encounters [[Serina]], and helps her cheer up her son ([[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]]) who is depressed.

In front of the [[Quorum of Twelve]], Apollo suggests the [[Straits of Madagon]] as a possible route to [[Carillon]], volunteering himself as well as [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] and [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] to help clear the minefield. The minesweeping operation earns the three a [[Gold Cluster]].

On Carillon, Apollo gets to know Boxey and Serina better. Apollo and Starbuck save Boxey, [[Muffit]], and [[Cassiopeia]] from the [[Ovions]], while lighting a fire in the [[tylium]] mines. The pair use a clever bit of [[Battle of Carillon|deception]] to force a Cylon [[Basestar (TOS)|basestar]] into the atmosphere as the tylium fires destroy the planet and the nearby basestar ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

Apollo and Serina announce their intentions to be [[seal]]ed. Apollo and Starbuck discover a [[magnetic void]] while on patrol. Their mission prevents them from catching the mysterious illness that affects the rest of the Viper pilots. Apollo trains female [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttle]] pilots, including Serina, to be Viper pilots. Apollo leads the new pilots on a successful raid against an outpost before the Fleet turns and heads into the magnetic void ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]).

Apollo and Serina chase after Starbuck, who leaves on a mission without them. Starbuck is captured by the Cylons, but Serina asks to go ahead with the ceremony. Apollo and Serina join an expedition to [[Kobol (TOS)|Kobol]], and follow Adama into the [[Tomb of the Ninth Lord of Kobol]]. Baltar arrives and accidentally triggers a trap, sealing all four into the tomb. A blast from a Raider frees them, but as they escape Serina is shot by a nearby [[Centurion (TOS)|Centurion]]. The mortally wounded Serina is brought back aboard ''Galactica'' where she says goodbye to Apollo and Boxey ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II]]).

[[Image:Showdown.jpg|thumb|left|Apollo is ready for the showdown with Red-Eye ([[The Lost Warrior]]).]]

While decoying Cylons away from the Fleet, Apollo's Viper runs out of fuel, causing him to crash-land on [[Equellus]], a low-tech planet far removed from the Fleet's flight path. Marooned within an agrarian community, he befriends [[Vella]] and her son [[Puppis]], joining with them in the fight against strong-arm man [[Lacerta]]. Apollo destroys Lacerta's right-hand "man", [[Red-Eye]], a marooned Centurion with memory problems, ending Lacerta's reign of terror. Despite his new love with Vella, Apollo returns to the Fleet when Vella shows him another crashed Viper containing the needed fuel ([[The Lost Warrior]]).

Apollo and [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] rescue Starbuck from the [[Proteus]] prison and return his lost recon Viper. All three of them manage to eliminate the Raiders that had been dispatched to investigate, and return to ''Galactica'' safely.

Apollo is chosen to lead the mission to [[Arcta]] to destroy the [[Ravashol pulsar]]. He is dismayed when he finds Boxey has stowed away on the [[snowram]] ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part I]]). His team successfully destroys the pulsar, ensuring the survival of the Fleet ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part II]]).

Apollo accompanies the mission to [[Serenity]], using [[Muffit]] to help track down the location of the [[Borays]] by having the robotic [[daggit]] track [[Siress]] [[Belloby]]'s scent ([[The Magnificent Warriors]]).

Apollo, accompanied by [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]], pilots the shuttle that rescues [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]], stranded on the planet [[Antilla]]. Apollo wisely suggests the use of a shuttlecraft, rather than a Viper squadron, so as not to attract Cylon attention ([[The Young Lords]]).

Apollo and Starbuck encounter the battlestar [[Pegasus (TOS)|''Pegasus'']] while on patrol. With the two battlestars reunited, Apollo takes part in a joint mission to capture the [[Cylon freighter (TOS)|Cylon tankers]], which fails due to [[Cain (TOS)|Commander Cain's]] sabotage ([[The Living Legend, Part I]]). Apollo leads the commando team that parachutes down to [[Gamoray]] to destroy the command center of the planetary defense systems. After the command center is destroyed, the duo join the fight above the planet. Apollo and Starbuck break from their assigned escort duty to help ''Pegasus'' defeat two Cylon basestars ([[The Living Legend, Part II]]).

When ''Galactica'' is severely damaged by suicidal [[Cylon Raider (TOS)|Cylon Raiders]], Apollo hatches the idea of modifying Vipers to shoot fire-extinguishing [[boroton]] into the burning [[landing bay]]. When that fails to completely put out the flames, Apollo and Starbuck undertake a risky spacewalk to plant explosives on parts of ''Galactica's'' hull. This successfully vents the fires into space. While on the spacewalk, Apollo has the idea of placing [[Hydronic mushies|mushies]] next to the ventilation duct on the bridge to lure [[Muffit]] through the convoluted maze of ducts. The idea works, saving the lives of Boomer, Athena, Boxey, and numerous other crewmembers stranded in the [[rejuvenation center]] ([[Fire in Space]]).

Apollo's team discovers Count [[Iblis]]. Apollo is wary of Iblis, especially due to the apparent threat against Adama's power ([[War of the Gods, Part I]]). Apollo later confronts Iblis, and ends up stepping in front of a blow meant for [[Sheba]]. Apollo is killed, but by doing so Iblis apparently oversteps his bounds and is forced to flee. Apollo is resurrected by the [[Beings of Light]], and returns to ''Galactica'' with Sheba and Starbuck ([[War of the Gods, Part II]]).

Apollo accompanies Starbuck to the ''Rising Star'', where Starbuck plans to try a new [[Pyramid (TOS)|Pyramid]] system. They discover [[Chameleon]], and inadvertantly protect him from the [[Borellian Nomen]] that are [[Blood trail|pursuing him]] ([[The Man with Nine Lives]]).

Apollo and Boomer serve as Starbuck's "Protectors" (legal council) when he is framed for the murder of a [[Ortega|Colonial warrior]]. Apollo manages to get the [[Karibdis|real killer]] to reveal his entire plot while Boomer pipes in the audio so that the Tribunal can hear the confession ([[Murder on the Rising Star]]).

Apollo helps the [[Terra|Terrans]] [[Sarah Fowler]], [[Michael]], and their children reach [[Paradeen]]. Once on Paradeen, Sarah sabotages the Vipers in hopes that Apollo will stay and be with her. She eventually warms up to Michael, and Apollo helps to capture the [[Eastern Alliance]] soldiers that show up ([[Greetings from Earth]]).

[[Image:ApolloExperiment.jpg|thumb|right|Apollo is taken aboard the Ship of Lights to help the Terrans ([[Experiment in Terra]]).]]

While out on patrol, Apollo is taken aboard a [[Ship of Lights]]. There, [[John]] recruits him to help the Terrans. Apollo poses as a [[Charlie Watts|Terran Nationalist]] to try to avert a war. With some help from Starbuck, ''Galactica'' ends up protecting the Nationalists from the Eastern Alliance missiles. Their attack thwarted, the Eastern Alliance is forced to consider peace as an option ([[Experiment in Terra]]).

When Starbuck visits an [[Aurora|old flame]] aboard the [[Celestra|electronics ship]], Apollo accompanies him. Shortly after they arrive, they find Aurora apparently involved in an ill-fated mutiny attempt. They accompany the [[Kronus|senior officer]] with the prisoners, taking a shuttle to ''Galactica'' for trial. The [[Charka|first officer]] has other plans, and attempts to strand their shuttle. With the help of the prisoners, the group manages to return to the electronics ship. They suprise the crew, and retake control of the ''Celestra'' ([[Take the Celestra]]).

Apollo takes Starbuck, Cassiopeia, and Sheba up to the [[Celestial chamber]]. Inside, they discover an [[Gamma frequency]] old signal. With Boomer's help they trace the direction of the signal. Scouting in that direction, they discover a Cylon basestar, but manage to flee before being detected. Adama decides to engage the basestar. Apollo hatches a plan to use Baltar's raider to infiltrate the basestar and knock out its sensors. Apollo and Starbuck succeed in the mission, and ''Galactica'' destroys the basestar ([[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]]).

==Family tree==
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== Changes in the Proposed Second Season ==

In [[Glen Larson]]'s [[Battlestar Galactica: Year Two proposal|proposal]] for the Original Series' second year, Apollo would "gingerly [begin]" to pursue a relationship with Sheba, as implied at the end of "[[The Hand of God (TOS)|The Hand of God]]". However, this relationship would end tragically by her death in a battle with the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]], a death that could have been avoided had he heeded Starbuck's objection, which comes from a "sixth sense" he has about bad happenings.

After her death, Apollo has an epiphany where he decides to step down from command of Blue Squadron, telling his father that he will not be responsible for another man. Adama respects the decision, although he does not agree with it, and Apollo begins a hedonistic approach to life that "even has the fun-loving Starbuck envious". After running into ''[[Pegasus (TOS)|Pegasus]]'', Apollo falls in love with the ship's new executive officer, [[Renata]]. However, despite his infatuation with her, he discovers that she is a new breed of Cylon that is half-human, half-machine, and thwarts her plans to take over ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> remaining crew ([[The Return of the Pegasus]]).

Apollo later finds himself at odds with his sister, [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]], who leads an insurrection against the "male dominance" of the Fleet. After a woman straps a bomb on herself, threatening to destroy [[Core Command]], Apollo manages to talk sense into his sister, who in turn talks the potential suicide bomber down ([[A Woman's Power]]).

Later, as Apollo and Starbuck continue to develop their "Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid" relationship, Apollo comes across a planetoid that is a veritable paradise. On this planetoid, Apollo falls in love with its princess, [[Quoi-Ling]], despite the objections of her scheming brother, Prince [[Choi-Ling]]. Apollo, Starbuck, and Quoi-Ling manage to leave the planetoid, however this act cost Quoi-Ling her life, since she rapidly ages upon leaving the planetoid ([[Island in the Sky]]).

== Notes ==

* Handpicked and sought after by [[Glen A. Larson]], Richard Hatch did not originally accept the Apollo role, finding the character to be too one-dimensional in the original drafts of "[[Saga of a Star World]]". However, changes to the script were made and he accepted the role of Apollo, which has fueled his life and dreams ever since.

* In early script drafts, the Apollo character was named "Skyler"; many believe the name was changed to "Apollo" to avoid similarities with the name "[[Wikipedia:Luke Skywalker|Skywalker]]". According to the DVD commentary track for "[[Saga of a Star World]]" done by Richard Hatch, the name was changed days into shooting, and the dialogue had to be re-looped.

* Apollo is the lead character of the series, and one of only five characters to be featured in every episode.

* According to the [[non-canon]]ical ''[[Encyclopedia Galactica]]'', Apollo was 45 [[yahren]] old at the [[Battle of Cimtar]]. He is said to have graduated from the Academy when he was 35, thus serving as a full-fledged Warrior for 10 yahren.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Kraus|first=Bruce|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=1979|title=[[Encyclopedia Galactica]]|publisher=|location=|id=|pages=13}}</ref> Prior to his assignment to ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'', Apollo was a [[Viper (TOS)|Viper]] pilot instructor at the Academy.<ref>''Ibid.'', 14.</ref>
* Richard Hatch returned for the new series as Tom Zarek a political prisoner that rose to the position of Vice President of the Twelve Colonies. He was a recurring character for all four years of the show before the character was executed for mutiny and treason.

== Gallery ==

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** Lee Adama|Apollo in the Re-imagined Series
** Tom Zarek|Tom Zarek, Hatch's RDM character
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Cylon Centurion

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: ''For information on the Centurions from the [[Original Series]], see [[Centurion (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Cylon Centurion, "The Hub".jpg|210px|thumb|right|Centurion, warrior of the Cylon army.]]

The '''Cylon Centurion''' is a fully armored, metallic automaton that functions as the basic foot-soldier of the Cylon ground forces.

==Overview==
[[Image:Centurion on Pegasus.jpg|thumb|left|A Cylon Centurion aboard ''Pegasus''.]]

Introduced sometime after the initial [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] conflict, the modern Centurion appears to be a significant evolution of the [[Cylon War]]-era [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]].

Modern Centurions serve a variety of functions within the Cylon hierarchy, acting as guards, soldiers, executioners and even gardeners. "Bullethead", "clanker" and "chrome job" are common Colonial nicknames for these advanced and deadly Cylon constructs ("[[Downloaded]]", "[[Rapture]]", ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''). They are also referred to as "toasters" - the common Colonial nickname (or epithet) for the Cylon race as a whole ([[Miniseries]], "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]").

Although Centurions are sentient by design, an [[telencephalic inhibitor|implant]] annuls their higher cognitive functions and prevents them from exercising full self-awareness ("[[Six of One]]"). It also appears that this implant precludes them from harming any of the [[humanoid Cylon]]s, except by explicit order ("[[Hero]]"). According to [[Sharon Agathon]], this was done to prevent a rebellion akin to the one that started the first Cylon War (''[[Razor]]'').

[[Image:S2-Downloaded-DelphiRestoration.jpg|thumb|right|Centurions replant trees at Delphi, after the fall.]]

Following the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Second Attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|The Twelve Colonies]], Centurions were used in a number of assaults on the surviving human [[The Fleet|Fleet]]. Centurion forces boarded both remaining Colonial [[Battlestar (RDM)|Battlestar]]s ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ("[[Valley of Darkness|Valley of Darkness]]", ''[[Razor]]'') and landed ground forces on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and the [[Algae planet|Algae planet]] ("[[Fragged|Fragged]]", "[[Home, Part I|Home, Part I]]" and "[[Home, Part II|II]]"). During the brief colonization of [[New Caprica|New Caprica]], Cylon Centurions were used to keep order throughout the Cylon occupation ("[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]", "[[Occupation|Occupation]]", "[[:en:Exodus, Part I|Exodus, Part I]]" & "[[:en:Exodus, Part II|II]]"). On [[:en:Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], modern Centurions were part of a clean up effort in Colonial cities including [[:en:Delphi|Delphi]] where they participated in the reconstruction effort ("[[:en:Downloaded|Downloaded]]").

Centurions are unable to distinguish one copy of [[humanoid Cylon]] from another ("[[Precipice]]"). Whether Centurions are able to recognize members of the [[Final Five]] - like [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] are able to - is unknown. It should be noted, however, that prior to the [[Crossroads, Part II|activation]] of said models, Centurions directly engaged at least two of these individuals in combat ("[[The Farm]]", "[[Fragged]]").

During the [[Cylon Civil War]], rebel Cylon leader [[Natalie_Faust|Natalie]] removed the telencephalic implant of the Centurions under her command. Once the device was removed, the Centurions gained the ability to reason for themselves and subsequently turned against the rival humanoid models ("[[Six of One]]").

[[Image:Centurions man baseship, "Daybreak, Part II".jpg|thumb|left|Centurions depart Earth aboard the former Rebel basestar.]]

Self-aware Centurions operating aboard the [[Rebel basestar|Rebel Cylon]] [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] within the human [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet]], cooperated with Colonial forces to rescue [[Hera]] from the [[The Colony|Cylon Colony]]. Distinguished by red stripes painted across their armour, these Centurions operated as assault troops under the command of [[Lee Adama]]. During the conflict, "Red Stripes" battled other modern Centurions as well as older models living on the Colony since the first Cylon War. Following the destruction of the Colony and the discovery of "[[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]", the Centurions were given command of the Rebel basestar and set free by [[Ellen Tigh]] and [[William Adama|Admiral William Adama]]. Despite the risk that they might someday return and attack humanity, both Tigh and Adama noted that the Centurions had earned their freedom ("[[Daybreak, Part II]]").
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==Design==
[[Image:Cylon Centurion close up, "No Exit".jpg|thumb|right|Close up on the head of a Centurion.]]

Modern Cylon Centurions are at least mostly robotic beings in nature. Unlike their Cylon War-era predecessors, the current models have not been observed "bleeding" when injured ("[[:en:33|33]]", ''[[:en:Razor|Razor]]'', "[[:en:Daybreak, Part II|Daybreak, Part II]]"). More agile than those predecessors, modern Centurions are capable of extremely fast bipedal locomotion ("[[:en:Six Degrees of Separation|Six Degrees of Separation]]", "[[:en:Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down|Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", "[[:en:Daybreak, Part II|Daybreak, Part II]]").

Sleeker in appearance than their robotic ancestors, Centurions are humanoid in structure, with long limbs and heads partially encased in armor. Their hands have four long, multi-jointed claws that can be retracted into smooth-tipped fingers of human proportions to handle more delicate objects ("[[Valley of Darkness]]", "[[No Exit]]").

It is unknown whether Centurions can "speak" to other Cylons - though they likely communicate with each other via a wireless network, making verbal speech unnecessary. They can, however, hear and respond to verbal commands from the humanoid Cylons ("[[Hero]]").

[[Image:Cylon Centurion, "Six of One".jpg|thumb|left|Centurion with projectile weapon activated.]]

Some versions of the Centurion wield markedly improved armor. A platoon of Centurions that boarded ''Galactica'' were unaffected by standard weaponry; subdued only by armor-piercing explosive rounds ("[[Valley of Darkness]]"). Other Centurions appeared to be constructed from an alloy that is much lighter than that used in earlier models. During combat aboard the Colony, loyalist Centurions of the newer type were cut down by Colonial fire more forcefully than the earlier 0005 models ("[[Daybreak, Part II]]").

The Centurions that [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] encountered on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] reacted more slowly, behaved less intelligently, and were more easily destroyed by small-arms fire. However, if one takes into consideration the overall plan that the Cylons had for Helo and Sharon Agathon, it may be surmised that these variants were intended to inflict psychological, rather than physical harm. Conversely, Centurions seen on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] displayed an increased group intelligence, working together to construct an anti-aircraft battery from parts of their [[Heavy Raider]] ("[[Fragged]]").

==Offensive Capabilities==
[[Image:Centurions vs. Centurions, "Daybreak, Part II".jpg|thumb|right|Modern Centurions battle Cylon War-era models]]
The modern Centurion can effectively oppose a squad of Colonial soldiers by means of various combat systems. Long, talon-like fingers act as bladed weapons during close-combat, and fold back to reveal a three-barreled automatic [[KEW|projectile weapon]] which may be used in fire-fights.

In addition to these built-in weapons, Centurions are capable of carrying larger, more powerful weapons not integrated into their systems, such as mortars and missile launchers. In "[[Razor]]", one Centurion boarding ''Pegasus'' carries a large, and likely powerful, machine gun in its hands.

==Cinematic Notes==
The creators of the re-imagined series decided that using actors in an elaborate robot outfit (as was done in the Original Series) would detract from the realism of the show. As such, the production made use of computer-generated Centurions in place of actors.

Inaugural director [[Michael Rymer]] originally wanted the Centurion to blend into the background (so as not to detract from the live-actor performances), but its design proved eye-catching, and the robot became a central addition to many scenes. These virtual Cylons were designed with full articulation in the hands and joints for realism, and were initially animated with more human movements, such as swaggering. However, these movements did not complement the robotic attitude that the writers wanted to convey, and were later discarded.

When filming a scene that will later have virtual Cylon Centurions inserted, a life-size cardboard stand-in is used for framing purposes. The stand-in gives the camera operator an idea of how much space to leave in the frame, and the animators a reference on how big the Centurions should be. The stand-in is removed so when shooting begins, the actors are reacting to an empty space. This minimizes the amount of work VFX must do to add a Centurion to the shot.

As of "[[Faith]]", a [[:image:Reimagined_Centurion_Comparison.jpg|new model]] has been used to depict the Centurion. The new version features a bulkier head with sleeker lines and significantly sharpened cheek bones, separated collar and shoulder pieces, five-fingered (rather than four-taloned) hands, as well as an increased level of detail and flexibility over the entirety of its body. In the episode "[[No Exit]]," a Centurion using the new model had more detailed hands in a few close-up shots which were based off the original model, rather than the redesign. Though originally considered a retcon of the older model, there is evidence that this may not be the case. The previous design can be seen once more during the battle of the Colony, occasionally in the same shot as the newer variant. Generally, the Rebel Centurions were represented by the new design, while Cavil's Centurions used the original model ([[Daybreak, Part II]]).

== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|A Cylon Centurion up close.
Image:Cylon Centurion New 001.jpg|A blood-stained Centurion in action during the boarding of ''Galactica'' ([[Valley of Darkness]]).
Image:Centz.jpg|Centurion guard on New Caprica ([[Occupation]]).
Image:CenturionMortar.jpg|Centurions carrying mortars ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
Image:Centurion on Kobol.jpg|Centurion on Kobol ([[Fragged]]).
Image:CylonAAU.jpg|An improvised anti-aircraft missile launcher (Fragged).
Image:CenturionGun.jpg|A Centurion carrying a large gun (Razor).
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User:Spencerian

2011-12-09T17:02:54Z

Spencerian: Updated

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I'm '''Kevin H. Spencer''', a resident of Indianapolis, Indiana (yes, the [http://www.indy500.com home of that big car race in the spring], but maybe you know us now as the home of the 2006-7 [http://www.colts.com Super Bowl champions now]). I'm one of three bureaucrats (administrators with squeegees for user account maintenance to go with my [[Mop Boy|virtual mop]]) here on Battlestar Wiki. (That's why I wear a [[deckhand]] jumpsuit and carry the Bureaucrat Squeegee.)

I'm a computer systems engineer, specializing in Mac OS X technologies. To make myself more curiously unique, I'm also a black conservative. I don't even speak "Jive." The world has all kinds.
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My interests are fewer in my older age, but their intensity (obsession?) to what few items I enjoy can border on zealotry.

*I'm a huge ''[[w:The Matrix|Matrix]]'' fan (as if my photo here doesn't give you a clue). I'm about as versed on the Matrix trilogy and its philosophy as I am about ''Battlestar''. I've started quite a few articles on [http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page The MetaCortex Database], a Matrix wiki. The woman dressed as Trinity is my sweetie (''Dibs'', Neo!)
*Growing up on the original ''Star Trek'' and ''Battlestar Galactica'', my tastes on "mainstream" science fiction have graduated far from what ''Star Trek'' has become. I use ''[[w:Babylon 5|Babylon 5]]'' as a good writing baseline.
*I attend a few science fiction conventions in the Midwest, and enjoyed one in the south in 2006. I tend to keep a low profile, except when I appear in costume.
*My exposure to "The Matrix" has, in part, led me to become a member of the [[w:Roman Catholic Church|Catholic Church]]. It's a curious, mysterious story that led me there that, in some ways, was like Neo's trip through the Looking Glass. My spiritual discoveries (in part from my ''Matrix'' interests) have also led me to study the traditions of [[w:Buddhism|Buddhism]]. I'm nowhere close to enlightenment, but at least I've found a Path.
*While not a big fan of the last three ''Star Trek'' spinoffs, I'm very fond of the fan-generated [http://www.newvoyages.com/ New Voyages] episodes of the original ''Star Trek''. This is '''very''' impressive stuff, and is free to watch. A must-visit. I'm also very supportive of CBS's reissue of the original ''Star Trek'' with CGI graphics. Normally this might be a formula for controversy (''a la'' the ''Star Wars'' expanded editions), but the combination of the (highly cleaned and clear) live-action with the un-matted graphics that fit precisely with their originally-shot model renderings make watching TOS a new joy.
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{{key|green}}[[Flight of the Phoenix]]. I miss the Blackbird.<br/>
{{key|green}}[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]. The beauty shot of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' peeling basestars like bananas was the best SFX of the series.<br/>
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Starbase Indy 2006 was pleased to see [[Katee Sackhoff]]. The actress is, in comparison to her Kara Thrace persona, a thin, shy waif with a great sense of humor.<br />
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Why, yes, I am the Ronco Average Bald Black Guy! Dress me up like Samuel L. Jackson, Lawrence Fishbourne, Avery Brooks or [[Rick Worthy]] and take me to parties!<br />
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During some recent mopping, I came across a screencap that, on closer examination, showed two otherwise-unknown [[battlestar]] names: ''[[Night Flight]]'' and ''[[Erasmus]]''. It appears that Battlestar Wiki was first in fandom to discover these mentioned-only ships, and yes, I ''am'' proud of that! Thanks to [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showuser=2948199 "KillCally"] on the Sci Fi Forums for the reverse-video screencap that greatly aided in the ''Erasmus'' discovery, and to [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] for opening up a topic on "Sciffy" that required me to dust off my unused account there in the first place.
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* ''[[w:Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]]''. I've enjoyed what I've seen. With a 2nd cancellation I'll have to catch it on DVD.<br />
* ''[[w:24 (TV series)|24]]''. The following link occurred between 9:45 AM to 10:45 AM. ''Everybody DOWN!'' <br />
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*[http://navras.boourns.net/extra.php The closing credits music to ''The Matrix Revolutions''] is "Navras." You might have heard [[Elosha]] sing the central verse at the close of the [[Miniseries]]. An inspiring verse from the Upanishads.

==== Other Wikis or Notable Things to Read ====

*[http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page The MetaCortex Database], a Matrix wiki.
*[[w:Main Page|Wikipedia]]. Sometimes finding reliable information here is as fruitful as rearranging the deck chairs on the ''Titanic''.
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Blood and Chrome

2011-03-23T01:16:48Z

Spencerian: Concised.

{{spoiler}}
'''''Blood and Chrome''''' is a television pilot (in production as of February, 2011) that follows the exploits of a young [[William Adama]] during the [[Cylon War|First Cylon War]].

''Blood and Chrome'' is a sequel to ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' and a prequel to the [[Re-imagined Series]].<ref name=greenlit>[http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/22/syfy-greenlights-battlestar-galactica-blood-chrome/69283 Syfy Greenlights "Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome"], ''TV By the Numbers'', October 22, 2010</ref>

Other than the initial announcement<ref name="mo_ryan">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2010/07/battlestar-galactica.html|title=Exclusive: 'Battlestar Galactica' sets up a Young Adama spinoff|date=27 July 2010|accessdate=27 July 2010|last=Ryan|first=Maureen|format=|language=}}</ref> from [[Syfy Channel]]'s executive vice president of programming Mark Stern and ''Blood and Chrome'''s co-producer [[Michael Taylor]], the feature has been greenlit.<ref name=greenlit/>

The plan is for the series to have a two-hour backdoor pilot. <ref name=greenlit/> The pilot's director is [[Jonas Pate]].<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/three-drama-pilots-land-directors/|title=Deadline.com: Four Drama Pilots Land Director|date=22 November 2010|accessdate=23 November 2010|last=Andreeva|first=Nellie|format=|language=}}</ref>

Depending on the success of this pilot, it may lead to a television series.

As of February 10, 2011, production had begun on the pilot.<ref name=B&CFilmingBegins>[http://blastr.com/2011/02/filming-begins-on-battles.php Blastr.com Article on Production Starting]</ref>

== Plot ==

According to Taylor, the series is "about a young man's [William Adama] initiation into war: both the realities of war as fought by soldiers on the ground (and in [[Battlestar (RDM)|Battlestars]] and [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]]), and the somewhat less real version portrayed in the media."<ref name="mo_ryan"/>

Further, Taylor points out that the scope of the series "isn't confined to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Far from it. It's a story that will take us to new corners of the ''Battlestar'' world (or [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|worlds]]), and yet it aims to be a very contemporary war movie in a lot of ways. I would say I'm thinking as much of [[w:Afghanistan|Afghanistan]] and [[w:Iraq|Iraq]]--the reality of ''[[w:The Hurt Locker|[The] Hurt Locker]]'', [[w:Sebastian Junger|Sebastian Junger]]'s ''[[w:Restrepo (film)|Restrepo]]'', and similar movies--as I am about about the largely implied past of ''Battlestar''."<ref name="mo_ryan"/>

''Blood and Chrome'' was also meant to feature adult situations as, according to Taylor, the series will not "[shy] away from R-rated blood and guts and sex" due to it being initially meant for online consumption.<ref name="mo_ryan"/> Given its status as a televised feature, it is possible that the "adult situations" may be retooled to make it appropriate for broadcast with an unrated version appearing on DVD. This was the case with ''[[The Plan]]'', which featured nudity and near-explicit sexual situations.

== Cast ==

* [[Luke Pasqualino]] as pilot [[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]]<ref name=AdamaCasting>[http://blastr.com/2011/01/young-william-adama-cast.php Blastr.com Article on Adama Casting]</ref><ref name=B&CFilmingBegins/>
* [[Ben Cotton]] as Raptor ECO [[Coker Fasjovik]]<ref name=AdamaCasting/><ref name=B&CFilmingBegins/>
* [[Mike Dopud]] as Viper pilot Captain [[Deke Tornvald|Deke "Minute Man" Tornvald]]<ref>Mike Dopud's casting has been confirmed via [http://twitter.com/#!/dopudmike his Twitter feed].</ref>
* [[Brian Markinson]] as Commander [[Silas Nash]]<ref name="unconfirmed">This casting has not been confirmed by official channels, as yet.</ref>
* [[Allison Warnyca]] as pilot [[Jaycie McGavin]]<ref name="unconfirmed"/>
* [[Lili Bordán]] as computer scientist Dr. [[Beka Kelly]]<ref name=B&CFilmingBegins/>
* [[Zak Santiago]] as pilot [[Armin Diaz|Armin "High Top" Diaz]]<ref name="unconfirmed"/>
* [[Carmen Moore]] as Raptor pilot/ECO [[Nina Leotie]]
* [[Karen LeBlanc]] as Raptor pilot [[Jenna]]
* [[Adrian Holmes]] as Unknown pilot
* [[Ty Olsson]] as Unknown role
* [[John Pyper-Ferguson]] as [[Xander Toth]]<ref name="unconfirmed"/>
* [[Sebastian Spence]] as Unknown role<ref name="unconfirmed"/>
* [[Leo Li Chiang]] as Osiris Marine Sergeant (unclear whether Osiris refers to the character or a ship)<ref name="unconfirmed"/>
* [[Toby Levins]] as pilot [[Sandman]]<ref name="unconfirmed"/>

== References ==

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User:Spencerian

2011-03-23T00:53:13Z

Spencerian: Updated bio

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I'm '''Kevin H. Spencer''', a resident of Indianapolis, Indiana (yes, the [http://www.indy500.com home of that big car race in the spring], but maybe you know us now as the home of the 2006-7 [http://www.colts.com Super Bowl champions now]). I'm one of three bureaucrats (administrators with squeegees for user account maintenance to go with my [[Mop Boy|virtual mop]]) here on Battlestar Wiki. (That's why I wear a [[deckhand]] jumpsuit and carry the Bureaucrat Squeegee.)

I'm a computer systems engineer, specializing in Mac OS X technologies. To make myself more curiously unique, I'm also a black conservative. I don't even speak "Jive." The world has all kinds.
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My interests are fewer in my older age, but their intensity (obsession?) to what few items I enjoy can border on zealotry.

*I'm a huge ''[[w:The Matrix|Matrix]]'' fan (as if my photo here doesn't give you a clue). I'm about as versed on the Matrix trilogy and its philosophy as I am about ''Battlestar''. I've started quite a few articles on [http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page The MetaCortex Database], a Matrix wiki. The woman dressed as Trinity is my sweetie (''Dibs'', Neo!)
*Growing up on the original ''Star Trek'' and ''Battlestar Galactica'', my tastes on "mainstream" science fiction have graduated far from what ''Star Trek'' has become. I use ''[[w:Babylon 5|Babylon 5]]'' as a good writing baseline.
*I attend a few science fiction conventions in the Midwest, and enjoyed one in the south in 2006. I tend to keep a low profile, except when I appear in costume.
*My exposure to "The Matrix" has, in part, led me to become a member of the [[w:Roman Catholic Church|Catholic Church]]. It's a curious, mysterious story that led me there that, in some ways, was like Neo's trip through the Looking Glass. My spiritual discoveries (in part from my ''Matrix'' interests) have also led me to study the traditions of [[w:Buddhism|Buddhism]]. I'm nowhere close to enlightenment, but at least I've found a Path.
*While not a big fan of the last three ''Star Trek'' spinoffs, I'm very fond of the fan-generated [http://www.newvoyages.com/ New Voyages] episodes of the original ''Star Trek''. This is '''very''' impressive stuff, and is free to watch. A must-visit. I'm also very supportive of CBS's reissue of the original ''Star Trek'' with CGI graphics. Normally this might be a formula for controversy (''a la'' the ''Star Wars'' expanded editions), but the combination of the (highly cleaned and clear) live-action with the un-matted graphics that fit precisely with their originally-shot model renderings make watching TOS a new joy.
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{{key|green}}[[Exodus, Part II]]. Having ''Galactica'' drop through the atmosphere was totally badass.<br/>
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{{key|green}}[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]. The beauty shot of ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' peeling basestars like bananas was the best SFX of the series.<br/>
{{key|green}}[[Unfinished Business]]. The munches. Roslin, Adama, and [[New Caprican loco weed]], baby.<br/>
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My lovely sweetheart and I, as Morpheus and Trinity from ''The Matrix''. Perhaps you've seen it (or us).
<div style="clear:both;"></div>
[[Image:SpencerianSackhoff.jpg|left|100px]]<br/>
Starbase Indy 2006 was pleased to see [[Katee Sackhoff]]. The actress is, in comparison to her Kara Thrace persona, a thin, shy waif with a great sense of humor.<br />
<div style="clear:both;"></div>
[[Image:SpencerianJedi2.jpg|left|40px]]<br />
Why, yes, I am the Ronco Average Bald Black Guy! Dress me up like Samuel L. Jackson, Lawrence Fishbourne, Avery Brooks or [[Rick Worthy]] and take me to parties!<br />
<div style="clear: both;"></div>
During some recent mopping, I came across a screencap that, on closer examination, showed two otherwise-unknown [[battlestar]] names: ''[[Night Flight]]'' and ''[[Erasmus]]''. It appears that Battlestar Wiki was first in fandom to discover these mentioned-only ships, and yes, I ''am'' proud of that! Thanks to [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showuser=2948199 "KillCally"] on the Sci Fi Forums for the reverse-video screencap that greatly aided in the ''Erasmus'' discovery, and to [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] for opening up a topic on "Sciffy" that required me to dust off my unused account there in the first place.
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* ''[[w:Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]]''. Watch this show! Almost as many twists as ''Battlestar Galactica''!<br />
* ''[[w:Jericho (TV series)|Jericho]]''. I've enjoyed what I've seen. With a 2nd cancellation I'll have to catch it on DVD.<br />
* ''[[w:24 (TV series)|24]]''. The following link occurred between 9:45 AM to 10:45 AM. ''Everybody DOWN!'' <br />
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*[http://www.neoandtrinity.net/home.html Neo and Trinity: A Matrix fan site]
*[http://navras.boourns.net/extra.php The closing credits music to ''The Matrix Revolutions''] is "Navras." You might have heard [[Elosha]] sing the central verse at the close of the [[Miniseries]]. An inspiring verse from the Upanishads.

==== Other Wikis or Notable Things to Read ====

*[http://matrix.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page The MetaCortex Database], a Matrix wiki.
*[[w:Main Page|Wikipedia]]. Sometimes finding reliable information here is as fruitful as rearranging the deck chairs on the ''Titanic''.
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2010-07-04T13:32:48Z

Spencerian: Welcome!

Reins of a Waterfall

2010-07-03T13:29:03Z

Spencerian: Moved expansion tab to top of page due to formatting issues.

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== Overview ==

: ''Daniel Graystone attempts damage control in light of [[Amanda Graystone|his wife]]'s false revelation that [[Zoe Graystone|their daughter]] was one of the suicide bombers of [[Lev|Maglev 23]]. Meanwhile, [[Joseph Adama]] continues his pursuit of seeing the [[Tamara-A|Tamara]] [[avatar]] again while [[William Adama|Willie Adama]] and [[Sam Adama]] continue to bond.''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===
*Scenes from the [[Caprica_(RDM)|Caprican]] media: Amanda's "revelation" of her daughter's involvement in the bombing are replayed on the news, [[Baxter Sarno]] mentions in his monologue that [[V-World]] hackers are re-creating the bombing before making comments about Daniel, students at the [[Athena Academy]] tell reporters that they were unnerved being in the same school and the same classes with Zoe Graystone, and Amanda is caught on camera leaving Caprica General Hospital as protestors chant "Terror Mom."
*At the hospital, Amanda is walking fast toward her car, but she quickly answers a reporter's question about her employment future by saying that she has resigned from the hospital. Encouraged to share her side of the story with the audience, Amanda pauses long enough to tell the report that they are not interested in the truth. A bottle is thrown, and a shard cuts Amanda's forehead. She speeds away.
*At the Athena Academy, students--including [[Keon Gatwick]]--stare at [[Lacy Rand]], harasses her, and make thinly veiled threats. Sister Clarice watches from a distance.
*Daniel spars in the boxing ring at the Red Gloves Gym, an old and run-down facility, while talking with Xander. Xander recommends hiring [[Priyah Magnus]] as a consultant to address the growing public relations problem. Daniel expresses his distaste for PR, but Xander disagrees, pointing out that Daniel is at this gym rather than in [[Graystone Industries]]' facilities precisely because he wants to be seen as a man of the people. Daniel is unmoved.
*As Daniel walks to his car, his driver, Kalil, opens a door--and [[Sam Adama]] steps out. He accepts the keys from Kalil. Sam seizes Daniel and brings him to an alley, and proceeds to rough him up for being the parent of a terrorist who killed [[Tamara_Adama|his neice]]. Joseph Adama joins them. He kneels next to Daniel and demands to see [[Tamara-A|his daughter's avatar]] again. Daniel reluctantly agrees to search for the avatar. Joseph promises to call on him again.

=== Act 1 ===
*[[William_Adama|Willie]] walks into a [[Tauron_(RDM)|Tauron]] social club near his apartment building, carrying a box of burritos for sale. He approaches a group of men at a card game, who give him a hard time, even when he tells them about his [[Rebirth|brief time in jail]]. Sam pulls him aside and asks what he is doing there so early, telling him that he needs to go to school first for attendance before coming to the club. Sam concocts an excuse for him, hands him a beer, and they drink.
*Daniel limps into his home. [[Serge]] starts to play the day's news broadcasts for him before it quickly becomes obvious that it will all be dominated by the fallout from Zoe's alleged involvement in the Maglev 23 bombing, and Daniel orders the stories to be deleted. Serge offers Daniel medical treatment, but he prefers to do it himself in the downstairs lab.
*[[Evelyn]] greets Joseph at the courthouse entrance, telling him that he has to wait for a judge who for some reason is upset with him, despite all the appropriate paperwork and "special delivery" for the judge being in order. He asks Evelyn to get him coffee. She reluctantly agrees.
*At the Academy, [[Clarice Willow]] makes tea for Lacy, telling her that all the monotheists at the school have to be careful, in order to avoid being linked to the bombing. She asks Lacy to open up to her, the way the Zoe did. Obviously uncomfortable, Lacy excuses herself, claiming to have problems with her classwork.
*In the lab, Amanda finds Daniel. They are immediately worried about the injuries of the other. Amanda tries tending to Daniel's wounds first. While this is happening, [[Zoe-A]] watches from inside the [[U-87]]. Amanda and Daniel lapse into an argument about Zoe's supposed involvement in the bombing. Daniel eventually accepts Amanda's claim about their daughter's guilt, shocking Zoe-A, but he is still amazed that Amanda admitted this on television. She cries, claiming that it "just happened" and that she is sorry for it. Daniel kisses her tenderly. Eventually, Amanda asks him, "How about a good frak?" Despite his wounds, the two of the carefully start to make love, in front of the U-87.

=== Act 2 ===

=== Act 3 ===

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==
*[[Luciana Carro]], who played [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot Captain [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]] in the [[Re-imagined Series]], plays Daniel Graystone's Public Relations officer [[Priyah Magnus]]. She joins various other actors from the Re-imagined Series in different ''Caprica'' roles, including [[Michael Eklund]] ([[Prosna]] from the [[Miniseries]] and [[Waylon]] in "[[Rebirth]]"), [[Christian Tessier]] (Viper jock [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]] in the Re-imagined Series and [[Ha'la'tha]] gangster [[Francis]] in this episode), and [[Nimet Kanji]] ([[Candace Myson]] from "[[Litmus]]" and [[Natalie Stark]] in "Rebirth").

== Analysis ==
*Sam Adama and his husband [[Larry]] have decided not to have children, at least not at this time because of Sam's "occupation." It is not conducive to having children. Ironically Larry is right considering how Sam is corrupting his nephew William into a life of crime.
*Caprica, and perhaps the other 11 Worlds as well, has a Juvenile Curfew Law. No minor is to be on the street after 10pm. This is the cause that had Ben Stark picked up by the GDD. In modern day Earth in some jurisdictions there are [http://public.findlaw.com/civil-rights/curfew-laws/juvenile-curfew-laws-examples.html Juvenile Curfew Laws] in some localities to maintain the general peace and to combat juvenile crime. Presumably Caprica have them for the same reasons. Civil Liberties organizations in the United States such as the [[w:American Civil Liberties Union|American Civil Liberties Union]] (ACLU) are [http://public.findlaw.com/civil-rights/curfew-laws/juvenile-curfew-laws-legal-challenges.html generally against] such laws, both on general principles that it violates the [[w:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment]] of the [[w:United States Constitution|Constitution of the United States]] and in particulars that they are unfairly enforced due to vagueness, lack of exemptions and sometimes are racially discriminatory. It is not known todate if Caprican Civil Liberties advocates oppose such laws. One non US example of curfew laws is Russia [http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/04/30/2556594.htm?section=justin passing a law] in 2009 allowing localities to pass curfew laws against juveniles. One important difference between Caprica and real life America is that the [[Global Defense Department]] (GDD) help enforce these curfew laws. In the US curfew laws are strictly a municipal and county creations. The State and Federal government do not enact or enforce these laws. On Caprica their "national" police force have a hand in enforcing these laws, the equivalent of the FBI or the [[w:United States Department of Homeland Security|United States Homeland Security]] doing so on Earth.
**It is possible that GDD was only questioning Ben due to the wiring and detonators discovered in his possession, making him a possible security risk (which he was given his affiliation with the [[Soldiers of the One]] terrorist organization).
*It is possible that [[Gara Singh]], Director of the GDD, sanctions the destruction of evidence if he believes it could hold the Department in a bad light. He did criticize Agent Youngblood for alleged incompetence about not destroying a misfiled and forgotten interrogation tape of her questioning [[Ben Stark]] after he was picked up on Aprilus 9th, YR41 for a curfew violation and found with what could be interpreted as bomb making materials (Stark explained it away as [[w:model rocketry|model rocketry]] components) nearly a year prior to the attack. Singh was concerned that if it came out it could had been portrayed in the press with 20/20 hindsight as GDD incompetence in letting one of the bombers go instead of holding him and perhaps saving many lives. To an outside observer his comment about her not even being competent enough to destroy the tape saving herself and the Department embarrassment could had been taken as sarcasm. However, as soon as Singh left Agent [[Jordan Durham]] and Youngblood's presence Durham did exactly that, destroyed the tape. This seem to indicate that Singh is willing to sanction acts like this because Durham did not express any concern about not being able to producing the tape in the future if Singh or any other GDD or government official asked for it nor did Agent Youngblood object. This could be taken as another example of the corruption of the Government on either Caprica in particular or the other 11 Worlds as a whole.
* [[Baxter Sarno]] is similar in form and style to real-life talkshow hosts like [[w:David Letterman|David Letterman]] or [[w:Jay Leno|Jay Leno]]. However, Priyah's statement that he is a major news source for young people even though he's a comedian is likely a reference to [[w:Jon Stewart (comedian)|Jon Stewart]] and ''[[w:The Daily Show|The Daily Show]]'', which have also been cited as [http://dailyuw.com/blog/2007/05/21/college-students-prefer-the-daily-show-to-real-ne/ a common source of news for young people].
*Daniel claimed to Joseph that it would be impossible for him to construct another avatar like Tamara's, "no matter how many bones you break," because he would need to work from the supposedly lost Zoe avatar. It is unclear why Tamara-A could not serve as a template for future avatars. Perhaps Zoe-A actively collaborated with Daniel, consulting him in the process of creating of Tamara-A, and that he can not do this kind of work without her help. It is also possible that some technological barrier exists. A third option could be that Daniel was simply lying, giving Joseph what he demanded while coming up with a story that would get the Adamas out of his life at the earliest possible moment.

== Questions ==
* The documentation in the ''Battlestar Galactica'' episode "[[Hero]]" gave William Adama's parents as Joseph and Evelyn Adama and stated that Evelyn was an accountant. Does this mean that Joseph will marry his clerk assistant Evelyn?
* What will become of the Tamara avatar? Will she realize she is no longer in real space? ([[There Is Another Sky|Answer]])
* Is there actually a model rocket club at Athena Academy?
* Is Sister Clarice aware of these STO meetings Ben and Keon attended that were not held by her?
* How factionalized are the STO? ([[Know Thy Enemy|Partial answer]])
* What is "apotheosis"? Is it a plan for immortality via virtual avatars? ([[Know Thy Enemy|Answer]])
* What views of apotheosis are there other than Clarice's?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Daniel Graystone is sparring in a boxing ring as he discusses with Cyrus (who is outside the ring) the PR disaster his wife Amanda's public confession is causing the business:''
:'''Daniel Graystone:''' Scandals are sunburns, Cyrus; they fade.
:'''Cyrus:''' Or they give you cancer.
*''The Graystone's situation has become grist for the late night comedian's mill:''
:'''Baxter Sarno''': Big news in the publishing world today. Daniel Graystone is revising his autobiography. A lot of you know it as ''The Man Who Could See The Future''. It is now going to be titled ''Wow, I Didn't See That Coming''.
*''In a renewed sense of grief and anger over not being able to contact the avatar of his dead daughter Tamara, he gives Sam a veiled but still chillingly clear order:''
:'''Joseph Adama''' [to Sam]: Daniel Graystone lost his daughter, right? I lost my daughter and my wife. [thoughtful pause] Balance it out.
*''As Sister Clarice tries to open Lacy to her, Lacy retreats, claiming problems with her astronomy class work:''
:'''Lacy Rand''': Got a problem with my stars.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Patton Oswalt]] as [[Baxter Sarno]]
*[[Avan Jogia]] as [[Ben Stark]]
*[[Kendall Cross]] as [[Youngblood]]
*[[Peter Wingfield]] as [[Gara Singh]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as [[Priyah Magnus]]
*[[Sina Najafi]] as [[William Adama]]
*[[Hiro Kanagawa]] as [[Cyrus Xander]]
*[[Genevieve Buechner]] as [[Tamara Adama]]
*[[Jim Thomson]] as Voice of [[Serge]]
*[[Liam Sproule]] as [[Keon Gatwick|Keon]]
*[[Renu Bakshi]] as [[Abasi Lowe]]
*[[Dale Wolfe]] as [[Steve Bahara]]
*[[Paul Perri]] as Judge [[Maximum]]
*[[Teryl Rothery]] as [[Evelyn]]
*[[Julius Chapple]] as [[Larry]]
*[[Katie Keating]] as Prefect [[Caston]]
*[[Sarah Afful]] as Angry Woman
*[[Lynn Colliar]] as [[Delice Jackson]]
*[[Christian Tessier]] as [[Francis]]
*[[Lee Tichon]] as [[Kalil]]
*[[Kristian Haas]] as [[Paulie]]
*[[Sheldon Yamkovy]] as Protester
*[[Dawn Chubai]] as Reporter
*[[Elfina Y. Luk]] as Reporter
*[[Shane Sweet]] as Student
*[[Warren Stroka]] as Man on Street

== References ==
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{{Episode list (Caprica season 1)}}

[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Ronald D. Moore]]

End of Line

2010-07-03T13:14:31Z

Spencerian: Moved expansion tab to top of page due to formatting issues.

: ''For the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] phrase, see: [[end of line]].''
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== Overview ==
: ''When the demand for the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] production is dramatically changed to just a week, [[Daniel Graystone|Daniel]] calls the order to clean the [[meta-cognitive processor|MCP]], which will destroy the [[Zoe-A|Zoe avatar]] in the process and forces her to take drastic actions to escape. [[Barnabas Greeley|Barnabas]] puts [[Lacy Rand|Lacy]]'s allegiance to the [[Soldiers of the One|STO]] to a test, as [[Clarice Willow|Clarice]] plans a trip to [[Gemenon]]. [[Amanda Graystone|Amanda]] is haunted by visions of [[Darius|her brother]] and the allegations made by [[Tomas Vergis|Vergis]] against her husband push her to the brink. [[Emmanuelle]] finds [[Tamara Adama|Tamara]] so as to finally take [[Joseph Adama|Joseph]]'s quest to an end.''

== Summary ==
=== Teaser ===
*On Colonial Highway 5 in the forest, the [[U-87]] is driving a [[Graystone Industries]] van while being pursued by [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprican]] military aircraft.
*Twenty hours early, a [[Caprica Network|CAP]] news report notes that Graystone Industries stock has dropped another 30% leading to speculation that the increasingly cash-strapped company will be forced to sell off assets.
*In the lab with the U-87, [[Drew]] questions [[Philomon]] about his relationship with [[Rachel]]. Philomon says that he is not bothered by Rachel refusing to let him see her true form. When she does, his feelings for her will mean that her appearance doesn't matter.
*As Drew lights a cigarette, the U-87 instinctively flinches. The two note that the U-87 has not been the same since [[Daniel Graystone|Daniel]]'s [[Ghosts in the Machine|tests]] with it the previous week. Philomon promises to take care of the robot, which comforts [[Zoe-A|Zoe]].
*At [[Atlas Arena]], [[Cyrus Xander|Cyrus]] presses Daniel for an answer to [[Tomas Vergis|Vergis's]] offer to buy the [[Buccaneers]], which should keep the company afloat for another month. Distraught, Daniel agrees to accept the deal.
*At the docks, [[Barnabas]] waits with [[Keon]] and two other men for a shipment of arms. Through the mist, [[Clarice Willow|Clarice]] arrives accompanied by an armed [[Nestor]] and two other men.
*Clarice tells Barnabas that she has called off the shipment and accuses him of trying to build a power base with the support of other [[STO]] cells. He argues that the STO needs to take action and mocks her beliefs in [[apotheosis]] before Clarice suddenly pistol-whips him.
*As the groups take aim at each other, Clarice holds a gun to Barnabas' head and threatens to kill him. She then releases him and tells him to back off if he wants to avoid a violent response from her, before her group walks away.
=== Act 1 ===
[[Image:Caprica.S01E09.720p.CMoDVTOLcockpit.jpg|thumb|[[DRADIS]] displays in GDD VTOL aircraft cockpit.]]
*Back on Colonial Highway 5, the military aircraft continue to chase the U-87's van. The aircraft are notified that the vehicle contains a [[Cylon (RDM)|Cylon]] prototype and are ordered not to engage.
*Seventeen hours earlier, [[Amanda Graystone|Amanda]] is sitting in her bedroom. While a documentary about the [[Pantheon Bridge]] runs on the television, she looks through news articles about the U-87 defense contract, including speculation regarding Daniel's role in the break-in at the [[Vergis Corporation]].
*Taking pills and lighting a cigarette, she has flashbacks of chasing her brother [[Darius]] through the halls of the [[Delphi Convalescent Institute]] and of a bloody razor blade.
*She calls Clarice, who is preparing to go to [[Gemenon]]. Clarice advises her to talk to Daniel about her feelings over dinner that evening.
*At the docks, Barnabus leads a prayer group of STO members. Dismissing them, he shows [[Lacy]] the shipping crate he has acquired for her cargo to Gemenon. It is pre-cleared through customs, but the shipment will have to wait at least a week in order to prevent a search due to a raised threat level.
*Lacy is grateful, but Barnabas demands a favor in return. He gives Lacy a replica of Clarice's keyless entry remote for her car, asking Lacy to switch it out for the authentic one on Clarice's key chain. He tells her it will allow him to track Clarice, and Lacy agrees to do so. Barnabas welcomes her to his cell.
=== Act 2 ===
*Fifteen hours before the pursuit of the U-87, Joseph Adama is lying on his sofa, oblivious to the world and still in [[New Cap City]]. [[Sam Adama]] is disgusted with his brother and wants to rip the [[holoband]] off, but Evelyn warms him that that is not possible. She tells him that Joseph will need organ meats and other nutritious foods when he comes out of it. Sam reluctantly agrees to buy the food, but insists that Evelyn keep close watch of Joseph.
*Philomon and "Rachel"--Zoe--are cuddling together in a canopy bed floating on a sunlit stream. Philomon claims that he is fine not having met Rachel yet, and that what she looks like does not matter. They talk a little about the benefits of more environmental exposure for the robot. He hints that if his next attempt fails, there will be serious problems.
*At the [[Athena Academy]], Lacy hurriedly switches keychain fobs while Sister Clarice is out of her office. She calls Barnabas with the news.
*Colonel [[Sasha Patel]] from Military Procurement visits the Graystone estate lab. After some pleasantries and an optimistic update from Daniel on the robot, the colonel worries about the coming deadline for delivery. She confronts him with knowledge that the U-87 relies in part on stolen technology. Because of potential political embarassment, the deadline for Daniel's delivery of one hundred thousand robots is moved up "to the 7th"--the very next week. "Well," Patel says, "I think we both know that if you can't get it done by then, you just can't do it . . . Daniel."

=== Act 3 ===
*Ten hours earlier, in the [[New Cap City]] version of the Adama apartment, Tamara cautiously approaches a silhouette of her signature T, which someone else has obviously placed there. From behind her, [[Emmanuelle]] emerges from the shadows and tells Tamara that she put it there to draw the girl to this place. Emmanuelle believes that Tamara, like everything else in New Cap City, is not real, and that she now believes that allowing Joseph to find her would be a worse option. Joseph is so lost in the search that he missed [[William_Adama|Willie]]'s [[Ink Day]] and is now addicted to [[amp]]. She asks Tamara for a suggestion on how to help him.
*At the [[Graystone Industries]] lab, Philomon tells Daniel about his plan to build a "psych profile" of the U-87's anomalies as a way of making copies of the MCP for mass production that preserve the original's abilities, a process that will take weeks. Instead, Daniel want to purge the anomalies "like a cancer" and use clean MCPs. Philomon protests that the uniqueness of the U-87 would be lost. Daniel becomes furious, and Philomon relents after his job is threatened. The entire conversation is overheard by Zoe-A.
*On a virtual lakeside, Zoe-A tells Lacy her plan to escape the lab--but Lacy cannot do it that evening, and that they have to wait at least a week for the shipment to Gemenon. Zoe-A accuses Lacy of failing her the same way she failed the original Zoe, and that she does not even see Zoe-A as real. Lacy tries to apologize, but Zoe-A is pulled back into the robot.
*Amanda puts on makeup, slips on a formal dress, and reads an [[Eros Day]] card left for her by her husband. She goes downstairs and is surprised to see Daniel preparing dinner, rather than getting ready to eat out. As they talk, Amanda reminds him that he was the one source of stability in her life at a time when she was losing her mind. She then confronts him about the break-in and murders at the [[Vergis Corporation]] lab. Daniel does not deny it, instead answering only that "it's complicated." She quietly walks out of the house.
*Joseph enters the dark and apparently empty New Cap City apartment. He takes another dose of amp, hears someone in the shadows . . . and then sees Tamara. He runs to her and hugs her. She briefly returns the hug, and then tells him not to follow her anymore, since his existence in the game is killing him. Tamara shoots herself. Horrified, Joseph moves toward her on the floor--and at that moment she aims the gun at his head and fires, removing him permanently from the game. In the game, Emmanuelle disconnects, returning Evelyn in the real world. In the Adama apartment, she holds the sobbing Joseph, who is trying to grasp the fact that Tamara is really gone.
*Philomon apologizes to the U-87 before commencing the wipe. At that moment, Zoe-A reveals herself, saying that she is "Rachel" and that she is trapped inside the robot. He yells for help but she silences him and begs for his help. Philomon repeats his claim that what she looks like does not matter. The U-87 steps back to let him pass, but he abruptly goes to a computer terminal and triggers an alarm. She yells "NO!" and pushes him away from the terminal, into the air, slamming his skull against a column. Philomon is instantly killed. The U-87 commandeers a Graystone Industries van and rams the complex gates.

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==

* The phrase "end of line" is used by the [[w:Master Control Program (Tron)|Master Control Program]] (MCP) in the cult film ''[[w:Tron (film)|Tron]]''. The acronym "MCP" later finds use in ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' when discussing the [[meta-cognitive processor]].
* [[End of line]] is a phrase often spoken by Cylon [[Hybrid]]s.
* "End of line" is also used in various programming languages to signify the end of a line in a program or other computer script.
* [[Jesse Haddock]] is credited as Vergis's driver rather than [[Darius]] because this was leftover from the original concept of Amanda's visions of her brother. According to David Eick's podcast for "[[Ghosts in the Machine]]," it was planned for it to be part of a hoax perpetrated by Vergis who found a look-alike of her brother to drive Amanda insane. However, it was decided instead to portray it as her mental reaction to Zoe's death and all scenes that were filmed to explain it as a ruse were edited out.

== Analysis ==

== Questions ==
* Will Joseph accept that he will never see Tamara again?
* What will become of Tamara-A in New Cap City?
* Will Joseph learn that Evelyn was Emmanuelle?
* Evelyn and Sam appeared to be working together (and there was the deleted scene where Sam did enter V-World to help Joseph) - did Evelyn contact Sam, or vice versa?
* Is Evelyn involved with the Ha'la'tha?
* Is Evelyn from Tauron or does she merely know the language?
* Will Amanda survive her attempted suicide?
* Will Clarice be involved in what next happens to Amanda?
* What will Clarice do about Barnabas' attempt to kill her?
* How will the STO leadership on Gemenon view Barnabas' actions if they are made known to them?
* Were Nestor and bystanders killed by the car bomb? ([http://showblogs.syfy.com/caprican/news/sister-clarisse-willow-target-of-bomb-plot.php Possible answer])
* Will Lacy and Keon continue to work for Barnabas now that he has shown a willingness to kill both of them, or will they attempt to escape or oust him?
* Will Zoe-R survive the wrecking of the car she was in?
* Will the GDD recapture Zoe?
* If Zoe is recaptured, what will be done to her?
* How will Philomon's fate and Lacy's apparent inability to help her affect Zoe's attitudes towards humans?
* What is the extent of Vergis and Patel's involvement?
* Will Vergis succeed in securing the defense contract?
* What was Daniel phoned about?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Leah Gibson]] discusses the revelation that [[Emmanuelle]] was [[Evelyn]]'s [[avatar]]:''
: The final discovery made so much sense to me. That she had always cared for [[Joseph Adama|Joseph]] and felt a need to protect him was clear to me from the beginning. Following my discovery of her real identity, it suddenly became quite clear that Emmanuelle’s meetings with [[Tamara-A|Tamara]] revolved around her intentions to connect with her, and were charged with the need to reach out and offer a sort of maternal guidance. Evelyn’s affections for Joseph in the real world were channeled into Emmanuelle’s empowered stance and instinctive role as his female guide in the [[V-world]], but the integrity of her essence conflagrated when she sat down with his daughter and faced the young girl who she implicitly cared for with such affection.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.capricatimes.com/the-caprica-times-exclusive-interview-leah-gibson|title=The Caprica Times' Exclusive Interview: Leah Gibson|date=28 April 2010|accessdate=3 May 2010|last=|first=|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''Sister Clarice Willow confronts Barnabas Greeley with knowledge that he has been building an STO power base of his own behind her back:''
: '''Barnabas:''' Wow. I am a bother.
* ''Daniel Graystone finishes informing Philomon of his plan to burn away the anomalies in the U-87's MCP in order to successfully begin mass production. Inside the U-87, Zoe-A listens:''
: '''Philomon:''' But we’d be destroying the original in the process along with everything that makes this prototype distinctive. Everything that makes it . . .
: '''Daniel:''' What? Unique? A nifty poker player? Sweet Aphrodite, I don't know why I put up with your crap for so long. It is a ''robot'', Doctor! It's not a pet, and it's definitely not a person. It's no different than your fancy cell phone, and right now I don't need a cell phone that will check my mail and wipe my ass. I need a cell phone that ''works''!

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Scott Porter]] as [[Nestor Willow]]
*[[John Pyper-Ferguson]] as [[Tomas Vergis]]
*[[James Marsters]] as [[Barnabas Greeley]]
*[[Alex Arsenault]] as [[Philomon|Philo]]
*[[Leah Gibson]] as [[Emmanuelle]]
*[[Jill Teed]] as Col. [[Sasha Patel]]
*[[Hiro Kanagawa]] as [[Cyrus Xander]]
*[[Genevieve Buechner]] as [[Tamara Adama]]
*[[James Pizzinato]] as [[Drew]]
*[[Liam Sproule]] as [[Keon Gatwick|Keon]]
*[[Teryl Rothery]] as [[Evelyn]]
*[[Jim Thomson]] as Voice of [[Serge]]
*[[Jesse Haddock]] as Vergis' Driver
*[[Johnston Gray]] as [[Darius]]
*[[Zak Santiago]] as [[Pann]]
*[[Aidan Dee]] as [[Hippolyta]]
*[[Alan Wong]] as Soldier at Roadblock

== References ==
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Ghosts in the Machine

2010-07-03T13:12:53Z

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== Overview ==
: ''[[Daniel Graystone|Daniel]] highly suspects that the [[Zoe-A|Zoe avatar]] he thought was lost is still in the [[Cylon Prototype]], so he puts the robot through a series of tests, hoping that it will lead Zoe to reveal herself to him. [[Joseph Adama|Joseph]] ventures further into the gritty world of ''[[New Cap City]]'' to find [[Tamara-A|Tamara]].''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===
*In his [[Caprica City]] apartment, Joseph Adama is lying on the sofa, wearing a [[holoband]] and a computer running on the table next to him. In a tunnel underneath New Cap City, Joseph is dressed in a flashy suit and fedora--better attire for New Cap City than the "businessman special" he was initially scanned in, according to [[Emmanuelle]]. She gives him a drug, [[Amp]], intended to enhance is senses and reflexes. Joseph puts a drop of Amp into his eye and feels an instant surge that registers in his real-life body.
*Daniel Graystone reactivates the [[U-87]]. He tells the prototype that he is convinced the Zoe avatar is there, in the U-87, but she gives him no indication. Daniel correctly guesses that Zoe is refusing to respond to him. Realizing that she will answer only as the robot, he promises something difficult for her, something that he says will be for the best.

=== Act 1 ===
*In a New Cap City alleyway, Emmanuelle and Joseph find the unconscious body of an Amp addict. Joseph is scared by the potential of something in the holoband--technology that was intentionally designed to not be addictive--to got directly into the pleasure centers of the brain and have this kind of effect. A large airship and its fighter escorts, the same that took [[Tad Thorean]] out of the game, appear overhead, and the two of them take cover. Emmanuelle hands Joseph a gun and instructs him on how to use it with the flair of a fictional character. "You think this is what I look like in real life?" she responds. She refused to reveal her real-life identify, except as someone who is being paid to help him.
*Amanda walks along a secluded road in a forest, the place where her brother died years ago in an accident. A car drives by. It seems as if her brother is driving.
*Zoe-A finishes assembling a rifle. Daniel orders her to dismantle it again and she grudgingly, but efficiently, complies. Daniel smokes, despite [[Zoe_Graystone|the original Zoe]]'s hatred of his habit. He starts talking to the robot about the old house that their family had lived in years earlier, and the fire that had destroyed it. The firearm is dismantled, and Daniel orders her to assemble it again. He relates the story of Zoe at the age of five, screaming, trapped in her room by the flames. He speculates in vivid detail about what Zoe must have seen and heard and felt in that room. Suddenly, he burns his finger on a lit match--and the robot spontaneously and noisly tenses its grip on the gun. Daniel is more convinced than every that the avatar is there.
*Sometime later, Zoe-A sits with [[Lacy Rand]] in the [[V-Club]] VIP room, telling her about the episode and her urge to hurt Daniel. Zoe realizes that Daniel is trying to draw her out. Lacy wonders openly whether that might not be a bad thing, to which Zoe answers that he has used her and lied to her, and that he will do it again. Her only option seems to be to follow every order, to turn herself off and become only the U-87. "Can you do that anymore?" Lacy asks.
*Joseph and Emmanuelle arrive at the New Cap City equivalent of the Adama apartment. His key does not work, suggesting that someone else has moved in. They knock. A drug addict answers but quickly shuts the door. Joseph breaks in and holds the man down, making sure that he does not move to take off his holoband. The apartment is a mess. Joseph asks him about [[Tamara-A]]. After describing her and showing a photo of her, the man recognizes "the dead girl" and points them to [[Mysteries]], a club. Before they can leave, another man enters the apartment behind them, cocking a shotgun.

=== Act 2 ===

=== Act 3 ===

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==
* ''[[w:The Ghost in the Machine|The Ghost in the Machine]]'' is a non-fiction work by [[w:Arthur Koestler|Arthur Koestler]]. Among its themes are man's tendency towards self-destruction, and that the more primitive parts of the brain (the "ghost in the machine") can override logical functions and are responsible for destructive impulses.
* ''[[w:Ghost in the Machine (album)|Ghost in the Machine]]'' is the fourth album by [[w:The Police|The Police]], named for and influenced by the book mentioned above. Among the songs contained on the album are "Spirits in the Material World", Demolition Man", and "Rehumanize Yourself". Additionally, the song, "One World (Not Three)" evokes Lacy's and Zoe's conversation in "Rebirth" about Zoe's three selves which Lacy refer to as a trinity.

== Analysis ==
*[[Cerberus]] is the first example in the re-imagined continuity of crossdressing.
*Cerberus's riddle to [[Joseph Adama]] about parents visiting their sins upon their children is yet another reference to one of the [[Themes in Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|themes]] from the [[Re-imagined Series]]. In the speech given at ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'''s decommissioning ceremony, [[William Adama]] uses this line as well.
*As per Cerberus' riddle, Colonial mythology (like Greek mythology) includes a war in which the Gods overthrew their predecessors the Titans. There are parallels to Man overthrowing the Gods and Cylon overthrowing Man.
*While describing the fire that destroyed the Graystones' family home (and mentally scarred Zoe in the process) years earlier, Daniel notes that the fire was started by running too much heavy computer equipment in a place that was not designed to accommodate it. This can easily be interpreted as foreshadowing the destructive nature of Daniel's own work and the products of [[Graystone Industries]] on an unprepared [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol|Colonial]] society. The holoband is seen by some (such as [[Baxter Sarno]]) as having ruined lives, especially those of younger people. In time, the descendants of the U-87 will launch the [[First Cylon War]] and ultimately the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|near-extinction of the human race]].
*The U-87 weighs approximately one-quarter ton, according to Daniel.

== Questions ==
*Will Zoe-A have an opportunity to kill Daniel, and if so, will she take it?
*Will Tamara-A have a long-term effect on life inside New Cap City?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Cerberus]] poses a riddle to [[Joseph Adama]]:''
:'''Cerberus:''' As the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]] overthrew the Titans, so has Man overthrown the Gods. But when Man visits his sins upon his children, how shall he be repaid?

* ''[[Emmanuelle]] berates [[Joseph Adama]] after a near-fatal encounter with some thugs:''
:'''Emmanuelle:''' Get your pink [[w:Newbie|newbie]] cheeks out of [[New Cap City|this game]] and don't come back in until you've got your [[frak|frakkin']] head on straight!
:'''Joseph Adama:''' Uh ... B-but my daughter ... I've got to get my daughter ...
:'''Emmanuelle:''' Yeah, but you're no good to her if you're going to freeze every time some dirtbag shoves a gun in your face. I thought [[Tauron (RDM)|Taurons]] had bigger stones.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[John Pyper-Ferguson]] as [[Tomas Vergis]]
*[[Leah Gibson]] as [[Emmanuelle]]
*[[Dmitry Chepovetsky]] as [[Cerberus]]
*[[Philip Granger|Phil Granger]] as [[Tanner Willow]]
*[[Anita Torrance]] as [[Mar-Beth Willow]]
*[[Panou]] as [[Olaf Willow]]
*[[Jim Thomson]] as Voice of [[Serge]]
*[[Jesse Haddock]] and [[Johnston Gray]] as [[Darius]]
*[[Stefan Arngrim]] as [[Amphead]]
*[[Ron Selmour]] as [[Shotgun]]
*[[King Lau]] as Bouncer #2
*[[Amos Stern]] as Cigarette Man
*[[Patrick Sabongui]] as Weasely Bouncer
*[[Kailyn Stratton]] as Six-year-old [[Zoe Graystone]]
*[[Kassandra Kingsborough]] as Young [[Amanda Graystone]]
*[[Hannah]] as [[Caesar]] the Dog
*[[Kirstyn Konig]] as Female Dancer
*[[Crystal Yuan-Jui Lai]] as Female Dancer
*[[Paula Giroday]] as Female Dancer
*[[Aryn Savard]] as Female Dancer
*[[Christian Vincent]] as Male Dancer
*[[Scott Augustine]] as Male Dancer
*[[Kenny Mugisha]] as Male Dancer
*[[Marco Arimare]] as Male Dancer

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2009-09-12T18:14:48Z

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Allan Nowart

2009-09-06T02:01:37Z

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'''Allan Nowart''' is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. He is [[Omar Fischer]]'s replacement as Sergeant of the Guard.

Following the action on [[New Caprica]], Nowart and fellow Marine [[Henry Cheadle]] are assigned to provide security to [[Dogsville]], where they are witness to the confrontation between [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Michael Robert]]. Following that incident, Nowart is reassigned, once more with Cheadle, to protect [[Gaius Baltar]]'s lawyer, [[Romo Lampkin]]. Though Cheadle is killed by a bomb made by Aaron Kelly, Nowart manages to successfully protect Lampkin until the trial.

When Kara Thrace unexpectedly returns from the dead, Nowart, along with fellow NCO Sergeant [[Brandy Harder]], is one of the Marines assigned to escort her through ''Galactica''. Both are incapacitated when Thrace takes [[Laura Roslin]] hostage.

Nowart does take part in [[Gaeta's Mutiny|Felix Gaeta's mutiny]], but is less than fully committed to it, and permits Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] and Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] to escape his custody. Adama and Tigh take him hostage, but later permit him to escape, although he narrowly avoids being shot in the back by [[Kara Thrace]] ([[The Oath]]).

Nowart survived the events of the mutiny, and when Admiral Adama called for people to volunteer to rescue [[Hera Agathon]], he was one of those to do so.

As part of [[Lee Adama]]'s Alpha Team, Nowart boarded [[the Colony]] (he is the Marine who informs Lee that the Colony interior is pressurized), and rescued young Agathon. Despite heavy resistance, he managed to return to ''Galactica'' alive. It is unknown whether or not he survived the subsequent boarding by the Cylons. If he did, he presumably settled on New Earth with the rest of humanity's remnants ([[Daybreak, Part II]]).

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* Nowart's first name, Allan, is [[Sources:Henry Cheadle|confirmed]] by cast listing pages from two scripts, "[[The Woman King]]" and "[[The Son Also Rises]]".
* [[Edward James Olmos]] stated at Dragon*Con that this character will have a major role in the last episodes of the series. <ref>[http://www.doorq.com/Blog.aspx?b=1667 Dragon*Con Report]</ref>

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Talk:Caprica pilot/Archive 1

2009-08-27T22:04:59Z

Spencerian: /* Request for Expansion of Plot Summary */ --comment

==Observations==
I know I should follow the encouragement of being bold, but I have insecurities that hinder me at every opportunity. Anyway, I noticed a couple of things: when Daniel is downloading his daughter into the C.Y.L.O.N., the onscreen material reminds me of the [[data-font]] (or maybe some other Cylonic tech that I can't specify at the moment). Also, and probably the most screaming of things, is that the Greystone home looks an ''awful'' like Baltar's home prior to the Fall. Are these things worth noting, even baring in mind there are no official statements (that I'm aware of) to confirm the visual links? The thing about the house seems most likely given both the residences on Caprica as well as the intellectual prestige of the two individuals. Yes, or "no," as in I'm alone in on this? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 14:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
:It's probably the same set, like the V-Club and the Opera House. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

== Request for Expansion of Plot Summary ==

I didn't know that requests for expansion are normally accompanied with requests in the Discussion section--sorry! Anyway, the summary should probably be comparable in length and detail to part 1 or part 2 of the Miniseries, each of which was the same length as the ''Caprica'' pilot. I'm not sure when I can contribute myself, but I will when I get the chance. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 17:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
: No worries. I've been meaning to do this myself. Still, whoever wants to start is welcome to do so. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
I put in the first summary details through the subway explosion, formatted according to established standards--others are more than welcome to continue the work! For now, I put in subheadings such as "Two Familes Ripped Apart" since it's not clear where the act breaks will be from the DVD. Once the pilot airs, these can be replaced with "Teaser," "Act 1," etc. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 03:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:I may jump in soon as I own the thing now but haven't watched it. I'm wondering, too, if we should change the name of the article to "Caprica (pilot episode)". -[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Callandra Tyrol

2009-08-22T12:42:56Z

Spencerian: /* Death */ - Updated

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'''Callandra Henderson Tyrol''', better known by her nickname "'''Cally'''", is a young woman who works as a [[deckhand]] on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.

During her tenure on ''Galactica'', she falls in love with her boss, [[Galen Tyrol]]. Despite this, she and fellow deckhand [[Socinus]], cover for Galen Tyrol on various occasions during Galen Tyrol's sexual interludes with [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], until Valerii is revealed as a [[humanoid Cylon]]. After this revelation, and a near death experience on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Henderson's anger and hatred for the Cylons leads her to "kill" Valerii during Valerii's transfer to a newly constructed brig.

Given 30 days in hack for unauthorized discharge of a firearm, she is lauded by her fellow crew members as a hero after her release. After reconciling with Galen Tyrol, their repaired relationship eventually amounts to a romantic one after Tyrol (suffering from suicidal dreams) savagely attacks Henderson after being awakened.

Henderson marries Tyrol, taking on his family name, and both muster out of the Colonial Fleet to settle on [[New Caprica]] in order to raise their son, [[Nicholas Tyrol]]. While on New Caprica, she is a part of the [[Colonial Workers Alliance]], a labor union lead by Galen Tyrol. However, the [[Cylon Occupation Authority|Cylons' occupation]] of New Caprica destroys any dreams she had of a life on New Caprica: she is nearly executed as an [[New Caprica Resistance|"insurgent"]], but is later freed and returns to ''Galactica'' after the [[Second Exodus]].

Life on ''Galactica'', particularly with a child to take care of, causes strife within her marriage to Galen Tyrol. Additionally, she is the driving force into convincing Galen Tyrol to [[Dirty Hands|re-institute the Colonial Workers Alliance]] and press for an illegal strike. Unbeknownst to her, she is nearly executed by [[Marines]] at Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]]'s orders, under the charge that she is a mutineer. Later, despite [[A Day in the Life|an incident]] where she is nearly killed, the Tyrols try to save their marriage and put their family's interests first.

These efforts fail however, leaving her to take care of the child, which resorts on sleeplessness and dependence on anti-depressants and other medications. This strain is due to the revelation that Galen Tyrol is a Cylon, a fact Cally Tyrol discovers after following her husband to a [[Weapons Locker 1701D|weapons locker]]. After beating Galen Tyrol with a wrench, she attempts to kill Nicholas and herself by decompressing a [[launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]]; [[Tory Foster]], another one of the [[Final Five]], intervenes and manages to save Nicholas, but ejects Cally Tyrol into space. The crew on ''Galactica'' assumes that she committed suicide.

==Background==

Callandra Henderson is a young woman who joined the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] as a means to pay for dental school ([[Fragged]]). Henderson is not fond of [[FTL]] jumps ([[Miniseries]]), possibly because she suffers nausea during them ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

Henderson, as well as her boss, Galen Tyrol, seems prone to anger after a terrible event. Unlike Tyrol, Henderson tends to take decisive action as a result of her anger, rather than becoming immobile or overly irrational.

She is particularly adept at finding ways around the lack of replacement parts aboard ''Galactica''. As Tyrol often comments, Henderson's small stature allows her better access to smaller spaces in the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Raptor]]s she repairs.

==Character History at a Glance==

*Henderson (who is never called by her surname until Season 4) is a deckhand aboard the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', working under the supervision of Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] at the time of the battlestar's [[Galactica Museum|scheduled decommissioning]].
*Henderson is attached to [[Deck Crew 5]] and responsible for [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] and [[Raptor]] maintenance ([[Miniseries]]).
*Henderson survives the initial attacks to ''Galactica'' in the wake of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], but loses many friends, including [[Prosna]], a fellow deckhand, after the battlestar manages fire damage after being struck by a nuclear missile.
*During an ill-fated mission to the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', Henderson is nearly raped by prisoner [[Mason]]. He shoots her after she bites his ear off in defense. Henderson is returned to ''Galactica'''s [[sickbay]] for treatment, where she is given the nickname "Specialist Lazy" in jest by her comrades ([[Bastille Day]]).
*Along with the rest of the deck crew, Henderson lies under oath to protect Chief Tyrol during a tribunal on a Cylon infiltration and attack ([[Litmus]]).
*For the next several weeks, Henderson assists Chief Tyrol in examining the [[You Can't Go Home Again|captured]] Cylon Raider brought aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]).
*On a Raptor Scout team bound for [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Henderson's Raptor is attacked upon emerging from a [[FTL|Jump]], resulting in a crash on Kobol. As one of the few that was relatively unhurt, Henderson later returns to the crash site with Chief Tyrol and [[Tarn]], and barely makes it back alive with a forgotten [[medkit]] for [[Socinus]] ([[Scattered]]). However, the recovered medkit is too late to save Socinus, which greatly saddens Henderson ([[Valley of Darkness]]).
*[[Crashdown]] gives Henderson an assuredly suicidal order as part of his attack to disable a Cylon anti-missile battery that threatens their expected [[SAR]] rescue. Henderson is so terrified that she freezes in place. Losing control, Crashdown threatens to shoot her if she does not obey. Just before Crashdown shoots Henderson, Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] shoots him in the back, killing Crashdown instantly.
*[[Diana Seelix|Seelix]] is shot in their retreat, but Henderson saves her life by carrying her further ahead. A rescue team of Raptors arrives, and Henderson returns to ''Galactica'' with the survivors ([[Fragged]]).
*Henderson's anger transfers to [[Gaius Baltar]] when [[Galen Tyrol|the Chief]] is arrested and accused of being a Cylon himself due to his past relationship with [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]], and threatens to reveal Baltar's part in Crashdown's death if Baltar does not act to clear Tyrol's name.
*Outraged by Tyrol's plight, Henderson shoots and kills Boomer ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). Henderson is imprisoned in the [[brig]] but, at Tyrol's request, Commander Adama gives her a lenient sentence of 30 days for "discharging a firearm without permission" ([[The Farm]]).
[[image:Flight_of_the_phoenix-Welcome_Back.jpg|thumb|right|Various crew members throw a party for Henderson's return to normal service.]]
*Released from the brig, the deck crews give Henderson a welcome back party. Chief Tyrol is still upset with her for killing Boomer, although Henderson is grateful to the Chief for putting in a good word for her with Adama.
*She aids Tyrol in the construction of the [[Blackbird]]. By the time they finish construction, Tyrol reconciles with her ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).
*Henderson is disgusted when several drunken ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' crewmen brag about repeatedly raping the captured [[humanoid Cylon]] known as [[Gina]], a reaction probably made stronger for her because Henderson herself survived an [[Bastille Day|attempted rape]].
*Henderson pleads with [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] to do something about the incident where Chief Tyrol and [[Helo]] are arrested by ''Pegasus'' command for the death of an officer that attempted to rape [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Sharon]] ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).
*After Commander Adama visits the hangar deck to confer with [[Laird]] on the status of the preparations for the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|planned attack]], Adama takes Henderson aside and questions her about Laird. Henderson reveals Laird's origins that enforce Adama's increasing suspicions about ''Pegasus'' commander, Admiral [[Helena Cain]].
*Henderson and Chief Tyrol later discover sabotaged Viper ammo by the Cylon-sympathizer [[Demand Peace]] movement ([[Epiphanies]]) as well as a storage crate with a [[Rya Kibby|stowaway]] inside ([[The Captain's Hand]]).
*Henderson wakes a sleeping Chief Tyrol up while he was in the midst of a suicidal nightmare. The delusional Tyrol gives Henderson a savage beating, quickly pummeling her into a bloody mess and knocking her unconscious. After a moment, Tyrol comes to his senses, shocked by what he had just done, and takes Henderson to sickbay, carrying her in his arms ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).
*Henderson's jaw is wired shut to heal, but she forgives Tyrol and says she always cared about him. Interestingly, her feelings for Tyrol were apparently known to [[Cavil]] prior to his exposure as a humanoid Cylon ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

==On New Caprica==
[[Image:Cally UnfinBusiness.JPG|thumb|Henderson on New Caprica before becoming obviously pregnant ([[Unfinished Business]]).]]
A year later on [[New Caprica]], Henderson is married to Tyrol (taking his surname) and is pregnant with [[Brendan Costanza]]'s child ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]), although she has led Galen Tyrol to believe he is the father ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). Her son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] (named after her grandfather), is born and lives with her and her husband as of the 67th day of the New Caprica occupation by the Cylons ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). Knowing her husband's test of faith after discovering that Brother [[Cavil]] was a humanoid Cylon, Tyrol is pleased for plans of a [[dedication ceremony]] for her new son ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 4]]).

Following suicide attacks by the insurgency led in part by her husband, Cally Tyrol is picked up by members of the [[New Caprica Police]] in a night-time raid. [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]], in his role with the NCP, discovers that she has been earmarked for execution, and asks [[Sharon Valerii]] to save her life. Valerii remarks that she does not know what she can do, as internal security is under the proviso of a different ministry. Henderson angrily tells Valerii to "go away and leave us alone" if she can't help her ([[Precipice]]).

Lyman later cuts her bonds and allows her to escape from the detention group slated for execution in a remote location. Chief Tyrol, arriving with a resistance sniper team, pushes his running wife out of the resistance's line of fire as they destroy the [[Cylon Centurion]] firing squad. She and her son hide in the resistance's underground bunker ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

==After New Caprica==

Cally Tyrol and her family are [[Exodus, Part II|evacuated]] along with most of the human population of [[New Caprica]]. She is next seen resting on a bunk with her son in a room overcrowded with refugees. Her husband visits her after he and the [[Circle]] secretly execute [[James Lyman]] for having collaborated with the Cylons. Before his death, Lyman tells Galen that he saved his wife on the planet. When Galen inquires as to how she escaped the execution and if anyone helped her, she replies that [[New Caprica Police|"one of these goons"]] set her free. She asks her husband how he knows about that, apparently unaware of his role in the Circle ([[Collaborators]]). Later she is working alongside Chief Tyrol on the hangar deck again. It is unknown specifically who babysits their son Nicholas when both parents are working ([[Torn]]), but formal daycare arrangements seems to have been established for families with dependent children ([[A Day In The Life]]) that the Tyrols use.

Tyrol attends the ship-wide boxing match with her husband and son and watches from the sidelines as her husband fights and defeats Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] ([[Unfinished Business]]). She recovers from [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]] injuries sustained in an explosive decompression incident while being rescued from a depressurizing airlock along with her husband ([[A Day In The Life]]).

==Death==

Tyrol's relationship with her husband deteriorates as he becomes consumed with his discovery of his true nature as a member of the [[Final Five]]. Tyrol, unaware of Galen's discovery, grows angry at his constant absences, often due to secretive meetings with fellow Cylons [[Tory Foster|Foster]], [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]], and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]]. Moreover, Tyrol develops a sleeping disorder and becomes reliant on medication. Awakening one night to find him out of bed and out of their quarters, she finds him in [[Joe's bar]] with Foster and witnesses Foster making a pass at him. Tyrol confronts him in a rage, assuming that he is having an affair.

Later, she finds a note in their cabin with instructions for a time and place for a meeting. Thinking that it is a note from Foster, she goes to the place of the rendezvous, only to discover her husband, Tigh, and Foster going into a [[weapons locker]] together and closing the hatch. She opens a panel in the corridor and squeezes into a crawlspace where she can hear what her husband and the others are saying.

To her horror, Tyrol discovers the truth of her husband's nature. She accidentally creates a noise that the others in the locker hear. In her flight from the crawlspace, Tyrol leaves the wall panel ajar, which Foster discovers. When Galen returns to their cabin, Tyrol attacks him, knocking him unconscious with a heavy wrench and taking [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicky]] to the [[hangar deck]], intending to commit murder-suicide by expelling him and herself out a Viper [[launch tube]]. Before she can do so, Foster appears, convinces her to stop, and then offers to carry Nicky.

As soon as Tyrol turns her son over, however, Foster strikes Tyrol with superhuman force into the launch tube, stunning her. Foster enters the control room, closes the airlock doors and expels Tyrol into space. The scene ends with a final shot of Tyrol's frozen, lifeless face adrift in space ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Galen Tyrol, at that point, is unaware of Foster's role in his wife's death and believes Cally committed suicide because of her mistaken belief that he and Foster were having an affair. ([[Escape Velocity]]). Viewers discover, coincidentally, that in their past lives on [[Earth (RDM)|the Cylon Earth]] Galen and Tory Foster in fact ''were'' lovers, as noted by [[Samuel Anders]] in a series of epiphanies about the Five's past and their objectives ([[No Exit]]).

During the [[Battle of the Colony]], Galen briefly links memories with the other Final Five members as part of a deal to restore to [[Cavil]] and his faction the lost secrets of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]]. In the link, Galen is able to share memories from others in the Five--particularly Foster's murder of Tyrol. Enraged, Galen breaks the link and breaks Foster's neck.

Ellen and Saul Tigh comprehend the rationale behind Tyrol's actions to avenge Cally Tyrol's murder ([[Daybreak, Part II]]).

==Notes==
*Cally's full name was not known during the first 2 seasons of the series (even though she is a character that has appeared since the opening minutes of the Miniseries), and during this entire time was known simply as "Cally". It was unknown then whether "Cally" was her given name or her surname; many assumed it was her surname and referred to her as "Specialist Cally" (in "[[The Farm]]", Chief Tyrol referred to her as "Specialist Cally"). However, actress Nicki Clyne, who plays Cally, has said she always thought of it as her character's given name. Her full name "Cally Henderson" was used in Season 3 to label props such as her locker, but isn't visible on screen. She took on Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]'s surname after marrying him. After the character's death, Henderson's complete birth name, Callandra, is revealed at her funeral service in "[[Escape Velocity]]".

*The [[Miniseries]] novelization (which is treated as a [[Battlestar Wiki:Separate continuity|separate continuity]] source) gives her full name as "[[Jane Cally]]". However this was made up without the input of the BSG writing team, who later decided that Cally was actually her ''first'' name. The novel ''[[Sagittarius Is Bleeding]]'', meanwhile, gives her name as Callista Henderson.

*According to [[Ronald D. Moore]]'s blog, Henderson's term of required service ended at the same time that ''Galactica'' was to be decommissioned. She was about to be honorably discharged and return to civilian life when the Cylons attacked, ending those plans.

*In the DVD commentary for "[[Bastille Day]]", David Eick and Ron D. Moore elaborate on the increased role of Cally as the series progressed from the Miniseries through season 2:

:Eick: Nicki Clyne, who you see here playing Cally, was somebody who in the Miniseries, I remember Michael (Rymer) and I cast just on the basis of her look, 'cause we thought she was really cute, she kind of reminded us of a young [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001167/ Shelley Duvall]. [...] she turned out to be so good that we— in launching the series we started talking about ways to involve her and I'm very proud of a moment coming up where she does something rather nasty, that...
:RDM: Well she almost died! '''She was gonna die in the intial drafts of this'''.
:Eick: That's right! He kills her! He rapes and kills her! And they're telling us we're too dark ''this'' year.
:RDM: Oh, I know. The second season is so much darker. And I don't think they even care. Yeah, Cally, Nicki, I hate to tell ya, but the bullseye was on Nicki here. And I can't even tell you why we decided it was, no I take that back I think it was your note; you said you wanted Cally to fight back and really show some balls in this scene. She bit his ear off...
:Eick: I said, "She bites his frakking ear off" and I was totally being...you know, just ''illustrative''! I didn't really mean it!
:RDM: And I wrote, "she bites his ear off"!
:Eick: "And I got the draft, and she bites his ear off! I was like "that's great!"
:RDM: '''And from that moment on, I think, she really became part of the show'''. In a real sense, once she had gone through that and survived, and you know Tyrol and the gang come in and see her in the hospital at the end you kind of felt like she is one of the family.
:Eick: Yeah, and she's taken on, in season 2 actually, a much, much, ''much'' more prominent role. You have no idea how prominent a role.
:RDM: Which is really illustrative of the rise and fall of characters. I mean [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] we thought going in was just going to be part of the show, and we just never really got our feet underneath us in terms of his storyline and really how it fit into it, and Cally who's just this 'other mechanic' at the beginning, who's just hanging around with Tyrol becomes a key element and part of the fabric of the show itself.
*In the DVD commentary for "Bastille Day", RDM revealed how he came up with names for deckhands Cally, [[Socinus]], and [[Prosna]]: "They were all names I pulled out of an 'ancient names internet site'. I literally, I found something on the internet that would give me like 'ancient names', I went through it and found ''those'' names. It was like ancient Greek and Roman...somethings. They might be, for all I know they're names for utensils, or something like that..."
**"Calli" is a word from ancient Greek, meaning "beautiful".

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2009-08-10T22:27:11Z

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== Source for the TOS star chart ==

Hi, there. I'm curious about the source of the "BattleOfCimtar map.png" star chart you added to [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] and [[Battle of Cimtar]] articles. TOS articles could always stand to get "more cowbell," but still, the information should have as official a source as possible and shouldn't be derived by viewers. The TOS universe, in comparison to the [[Re-imagined Series]], just didn't have much in the way of science, much less charts. Could you let us in on the source of that graphic? Thanks. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:Hello. I have updated the image description a bit to clarify the source. Basically, I merged a number of screencaps from the early part of SAGA OF A STAR WORLD as there are several good images of the entire Galactica bridge tactical map. The locations of the basestars are provided by Colonel Tigh, who notes they are within striking range of Sagitara, Virgon and Caprica. The location of Borallus and the intended route to Carillon is shown by Sire Uri, and the Nova of Madagon and Carillon is pinpointed by Apollo a few seconds later in the same scene. It's a little bit of "original research" on my part, but at least the image itself is very closely based on the actual BSG map. By the way, we still see the same (Colonial-) star systems on the tactical map in the last episode of the original series!!!! So there is a bad continuity problem. [[User:AdmiralMarcus|AdmiralMarcus]] 21:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for replying. Since TOS has so little information to go on and as you used the series screencaps itself to put together the image, I don't have any objections, especially since you noted how you sourced it. Here on Battlestar Wiki, we allow sourced original research (given this is a fictional universe) and call it "[[Original_research#Derived_Content|derived content]]." You followed the guidelines on it close enough, and I'm sure everyone will appreciate the hard work. Thanks for the contribution and the image update! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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2009-08-10T22:25:46Z

Spencerian: /* Plausible speculation */ --"One article" shouldn't show two examples...

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User talk:AdmiralMarcus

2009-07-29T22:04:50Z

Spencerian: /* Source for the TOS star chart */ new section

Harvey Frand

2009-07-29T21:57:02Z

Spencerian:

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'''Harvey Frand''' was a producer for the [[Re-imagined Series]].

According to [[Bradley Thompson]], Frand was an administrative producer, who makes sure that the episodes can be shot with the available time and budget. To that end, he often weighs in on scripts and decides if they can be realized the way the writers envision them, or tries to find ways to make them work.

Frand was initially credited as a producer when he began working on [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]]. He became a supervising producer for [[Season 3]] and thereafter.

Frand died suddenly of multiple health complications on July 28, 2009, before his last Re-imagined Series production, "[[The Plan]]," would air later that year.

== Biographical Notes ==
* Frand appears in at least two of [[David Eick]]'s [[David Eick's Video Blogs|video blogs]], including "[[Episode 205 - Day 2]]" and another episode on the set of the episode "[[Sacrifice]]".

== Source ==
* [http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/god-speed-harvey-frand/ Blog information on Frand's passing.]

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Harvey Frand

2009-07-29T21:56:34Z

Spencerian: Updated with obituary information. :(

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'''Harvey Frand''' was a producer for the [[Re-imagined Series]].

According to [[Bradley Thompson]], Frand was an administrative producer, who makes sure that the episodes can be shot with the available time and budget. To that end, he often weighs in on scripts and decides if they can be realized the way the writers envision them, or tries to find ways to make them work.

Frand was initially credited as a producer when he began working on [[Season 1 (2004-05)|Season 1]]. He became a supervising producer for [[Season 3]] and thereafter.

Frand died suddenly of multiple health complications on July 28, 2009, before his last Re-imagined Series production, "[[The Plan]]," would air later that year.

== Biographical Notes ==
* Frand appears in at least two of [[David Eick]]'s [[David Eick's Video Blogs|video blogs]], including "[[Episode 205 - Day 2]]" and another episode on the set of the episode "[[Sacrifice]]".

== Source ==
* [http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/god-speed-harvey-frand/ Blog information on Frand's passing.]

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User talk:Yokozuka

2009-07-24T23:42:02Z

Spencerian: Welcome to Battlestar Wiki!

Talk:Cult of Baltar/Archive 1

2009-07-23T22:47:52Z

Spencerian: /* Descriptive term? */ --reply

Has the Cult of Baltar taken over duties as a policing force? does this relate to the Arrangement that Baltar and Adama came to at the end of - I think it was No Exit? There is a cult member in the daycare when Boomer takes Hera and drugs her in "Someone to watch over me." -- [[User:Furyofaseraph|Furyofaseraph]] 20:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me that think Gaius's Angels sounds silly? Baltar's Angels sounds much better --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 14:26, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
:Well, it may be less confusing to TOS Baltar searches, but as its a riff on the US TV show "Charlie's Angels", there you go. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:28, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
::I think that association veers close to "silly" territory. At first I thought this was a joke. If a more serious term is desired, maybe "Baltar's rescuers"? Helpers? Saviors? (too religious maybe) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:50, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
:::What article even points to this? The fact that it is currently an orphan is tantamount to painting a laser on it (for a laser-guided delete). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:54, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I was rather debating on whether or not to throw the {{tl|sillypage}} tag onto it. Having said this, I think the article is important enough to exist, particularly in light of seeing that these women are rabid Baltar fans who believe him to be some sort of messiah. (Remember that the [[Jeanne|young woman]] goes to Baltar's cell and asks to bless her ill child.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:11, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Yeah, it definitely does have relevance to the show, but I'd prefer a more serious title, as the content isn't silly. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:49, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::Article is no longer orphaned. I'm sure we'll get a canonical name of some sort in the new season, either a name they use to refer to themselves, or how the Fleet leadership refers to them. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 09:28, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::I've removed the "Silly", as to me "Silly" generally implies it is not necessarily canon. Also it's not funny. I expect the "Church of Baltar" will be a significant part of season 4. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 17:00, 28 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::You've got that right. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
== Bets on Gaius' New Life ==

# Gigolo to women who like men from Caprica who can "talk nerdy" to them.
# Pharmaceutical expert for designing new contraceptive drugs.
# Pharmaceutical expert for designing new contraceptive drugs, which he will then test ''as'' a gigolo. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:27, 14 May 2007 (CDT)

== This cult... ==

They are totally nutz [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: In future episodes, I'm expecting <s>[[w:Charles Manson|Charles Manson]]</s> Baltar to decrypt "[[w:Helter Skelter|Helter Skelter]]" and other Beatles music... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== The Symbol ==
Does anyone else think the cult's symbol looks like a modified version of the Aries astrological symbol? I just kind of assumed it was sort of expanding the general early Christianity allusions that pervade the cult, by taking a symbol of their oppression (not that Aries and Ares are the same, but using something maybe associated with the Sons of Ares like early Christians adopted the cross) and subverting it as a symbol of solidarity. Probably going out on a limb there, but I see a ram in that symbol. [[User:Alpha5099|alpha5099]] 21:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

== Descriptive term?==
As there is a song on the [[Soundtrack (Season 4)|Season 4 soundtrack]] called "The Cult of Baltar", is this really just a BSG wiki [[BW:TERM|descriptive term]] anymore, or can it be considered official? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 19:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:A good question. On the other hand, the BSG 3 soundtrack uses "All Along the Watchtower" and not our descriptive term (given that no one ever names "[[The Music]]"). I'd keep it as a descriptive term but note McCreary's use of it (and maybe note Roslin's name for it when calling out [[Tory Foster]]'s behavior). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Cennsor

2009-07-23T22:44:39Z

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User talk:Sithking Zero

2009-07-12T16:43:29Z

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Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)

2009-07-12T16:42:47Z

Spencerian: Clarified. The Five did not build the Temple.

:''This article discusses the religion of the Colonies as seen in the [[Re-imagined Series]]. For summary information on the Kobollian religion from the [[Original Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)]].''
:''For information on the various mythologies used in ''Battlestar Galactica'', see [[Mythological references]].''

{{RDM twelve colonies series}}

The dominant '''religion of the Twelve Colonies''', which the various characters of ''Battlestar Galactica'' practice to greater or lesser extent, is a [[Wikipedia:polytheism|polytheistic]] faith<ref>The Colonial deities are very similar to the [[Wikipedia:Greek mythology|Olympic gods]] of Greek mythology on the real-world Earth.</ref> with a strong emphasis on the philosophy of [[Wikipedia:Eternal return|eternal return]]. There is a several variations of this faith practiced by different groups.

==Origin==
[[Image:Pythia.jpg|right|thumb|A portion of the Sacred Scrolls, specifically, a portion of the Book of [[Pythia]].]]
The eternal return aspect between the peoples of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] suggest a parallel or reverse-origin with humanity as a whole or the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] that presumably populated it. See [[History of the Twelve Colonies]] for more analysis.

In the burial scene of the [[Miniseries]], [[William Adama]] states, "Life here began out there,<ref>This phrase is a homage to the [[Original Series]], where each episode began with this phrase in a voice-over introduction.</ref>" reminding the assembly that this was the first line of the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the principle religious tome of the Colonial faith, told to them by the Lords Of Kobol many centuries ago.
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==Belief==
===The Lords of Kobol===
Colonial religion is centered on the Lords of Kobol. In the Re-imagined Series, ten Lords of Kobol have been positively identified: * [[Zeus]] - The leader of the lords. [[Tom Zarek]] has twice referred to [[William Adama|Bill Adama]] as "Zeus" ("[[Bastille Day]]", "[[The Farm]]", as a play on [[Lee Adama]]'s callsign). * [[Aphrodite]] - The lorddess of love and sexuality. Kara Thrace prays often to this Lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]). * [[Apollo, Lord of Kobol|Apollo]] - Zeus' son, said to be the lord of the hunt and of healing ([[Bastille Day]]). * [[Ares]] - The lord of war. The [[Nicholas Tyrol|infant son]] of [[Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] is [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to this Lord of Kobol ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]). * [[Artemis]] - Twin sister of Apollo, lorddess of the hunt. [[Kara Thrace]] prays often to this lord ([[Flesh and Bone]]). * [[Asclepius]] - The lord of healing ([[Escape Velocity]]). * [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]] - This lord committed suicide "out of despair over the exodus of the thirteen tribes" ([[Home, Part II]]). Her [[Tomb of Athena|tomb]] holds a map to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). * [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn]] ([[Maelstrom]])<ref>Aurora is the Roman counterpart of the Greek [[w:Eos|Eos]]. Eos is one of the [[w:Titans (mythology)|Titans]]. Since the Lords of Kobol are modeled after the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] however, this could indicate that she is not one of the Lords, but belongs to another group of deities.</ref>. * [[Hera, Lord of Kobol|Hera]] - Wife of Zeus. A [[Gates of Hera|mountain ridge]] on Kobol is named after her ([[Home, Part II]]), and the [[Hera Agathon|first Cylon/human hybrid child]] is named for this lord ([[Downloaded]]). * [[Poseidon]] - [[Gaius Baltar]] mentions this deity in a conversation with [[Tracey Anne]] ([[He That Believeth In Me]]). Deckhand [[Brooks (RDM)|Brooks]] also prays to this lord. ([[The Face of the Enemy]]) The Colonials appear to use multiple names for their lords, interchanging "Mars" for "Ares", "Jupiter" for "Zeus", and so on.<ref>Curiously, [[Laura Roslin]] mentions that the 134th day of the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] is Mars Day ([[Occupation]]), suggesting that Ares may also be called by his alternate Roman pantheon's name. The same happens again in "[[The Passage]]" when Zeus is referred to by the name of his Roman counterpart Jupiter.</ref>

====Afterlife====
Believers think that they will go to [[Fields of Elysium]] after death if they led a good life ([[Faith]]). <ref>This is clearly a direct parallel to the ancient Greek [[w:Elysium|Elysian Fields]], the part of the [[w:Hades|underworld]] corresponding to "heaven". The visual image of a ferry crossing a river also parallels the river [[w:Styx|Styx]].</ref>

==== Paradise Lost ====
According to the [[Sacred Scrolls]], the gods once shared a paradise-like existence with the people of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. Later circumstances forced the exodus of the human population of Kobol to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] and [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], and lead to Athena's suicide.

The existence of the Lords of Kobol is attested to by the survival of numerous artifacts, including the [[Arrow of Apollo]], the [[Tomb of Athena]] and the [[Gates of Hera]]. However, although she accepts their historic authenticity, [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]], a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], questions their actual divinity.<ref>There is a notion in fan circles that there are twelve lords of Kobol, by analogy to the twelve Cylon models, twelve Colonies, and perhaps the [[w:Twelve Olympians|Twelve Olympians]] of Greek mythology. A post from [[Ron D. Moore]]'s blog [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/03/index.html#a000023 on March 12, 2005] loosely alludes on this coincidence, but further official sourcing has not been revealed.</ref>

====The Jealous God====
[[Elosha]] states that the exodus from Kobol was precipitated when "one jealous god began to desire that he be elevated above all the other gods, and the war on Kobol began."<ref>From a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|deleted scene]] cut from the episode "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]".</ref> This figure may be related to or identical with "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken|the one whose name cannot be spoken]]", whose [[Temple of Five|temple]] is discovered in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]".

====The Path of Olympus====
[[Tom Zarek]] conveys to [[Laura Roslin]] and her [[Laura Roslin faction|followers]] the news that Commander [[William Adama]] had resumed command of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' after the attempt on his life by saying: "Zeus has returned to '''Olympus'''" ([[The Farm]]).<ref>In Greek mythology, the home of the gods on Earth resided high atop Greece's highest mountain, Mount Olympus, at a time where access to the mountain summit would be almost impossible with the inhabitants' technology of that age.</ref> By Zarek's comment we can infer that Colonial religion appears to acknowledge the existence of a place called Olympus. It cannot yet be determined, however, if Olympus was thought of as the residence of the gods at a specific physical or ''metaphysical'' location of Kobol, as there has been no mention of Olympus elsewhere in the series. If Olympus is a metaphysical locale, this may contradict [[Elosha]]'s comment that the gods and man lived on Kobol together in harmony.

===Other Mythological Names in Colonial Culture===
Various items have been identified which are apparently named after other gods and legendary figures of their faith, although these have not been explicitly identified as Lords of Kobol.

:''See main article: [[Mythological references]]''

===The Cycle of Time===

''"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."''<ref>In a short talk he gave before a screening of "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Ron Moore revealed that he "stole" the line from the introduction of the Disney animated version of ''[[w:Peter Pan|Peter Pan]]'' (lecture [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9op6PC03LRA part 1] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-9NglSNG0 part 2]).</ref>

According to [[Gaius Baltar]], this line from the [[Pythia]]n prophecy is very well known ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). [[Laura Roslin]] later expands on it, reminding [[Kara Thrace]],

<blockquote>"If you believe in the gods, then you believe in the cycle of time that we are all playing our parts in a story that is told again, and again, and again throughout eternity" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).</blockquote>

Various events throughout the series have led some characters to believe that they are playing out another turn of this cycle<ref>The notion of a circular progression of time (also known as [[w:eternal return|eternal return]] or eternal recurrence) is a common theme in other faiths, particularly [[w:Maya#Religion|Mayan]] mythology and is a cornerstone of the Hindu and Buddhist faiths. Moreover, [[w:Stoic|Stoic]] philosophy did believe in the concept of ''ekpyrosis'', the fire which consumes the old world and signals the birth of a new world, identical to the old, for a recurring cycle of birth, death and rebirth.</ref>. (see [[Sacred Scrolls]] for more detailed analysis).

===Sanctity of Life===
According to the Sacred Scrolls, abortion is "an abomination in the eyes of the Gods". The more fundamentalist [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] strictly adhere to this commandment, however the more secular Colonies such as Caprica apparently do not follow this as strictly: officially, Colonies-wide Federal law guaranteed a woman the right to an abortion, at least at the time of the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

==Individual Practice==
The Colonials display a wide spectrum of religious practice, ranging from [[Billy Keikeya]]'s atheism ([[Home, Part II]], [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 2 (RDM)#Home, Part II|cut scene]]) to Corporal [[Venner]]'s literalistic readings of the Sacred Scrolls.

While not fully explained in the Re-imagined Series, it appears, based on the information from a [[dedication ceremony]] for [[Nicholas Tyrol]] and the prayers of [[Kara Thrace]], that each Colonial is paired, or "placed in the service" with one or more of the Lords. Based on the dedication ceremony blessing, Zeus is a considered "almighty" or foremost of the gods, while other Lords are prayed to by Colonials as a proxy to Zeus.<ref>This practice is similar to a Catholic practice of prayer to Mary, mother of Jesus. While Mary is a human, followers believe that, by praying to Mary, she can intercede to aid the acceptance of the prayer by the [[w:Trinity|Trinity]], the godhead of the Catholic faith.</ref>

===Artifacts===
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Despite Gemenon's fundamentalist climate, the city of [[Delphi]] on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] was apparently of a mind to store an important religious artifact, the [[Arrow of Apollo]], in a [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies|museum]], rather than a devotional institution ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

Ancient temples may be also be the repository of special artifacts such as the [[Eye of Jupiter]], believed to be stored inside the legendary [[Temple of Five]] ("[[Rapture]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]").
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===Dress===
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The robes of [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]])]]
As seen by the various [[Laura Roslin faction|separatists]] orbiting Kobol in "[[Home, Part I]]", it appears that many Colonials have clothing that suggests a religious deference. In the scene, one older, white-bearded gentleman is dressed in simple colored robes and a round, flat head covering<ref>These robes may remind viewers of the tradition dress of Hasidic Jews, Islamic clerics, or Eastern Orthodox clerics of the real-world Earth.</ref> Other distinctive dress styles of other characters in the scene increase the sense of the dedication of religion in the Gemenese people (which appear to comprise the majority of Roslin's separatists).

The [[oracle]] [[Dodona Selloi]] dresses in a turban and robes, suggesting a special role in Colonial society or its religious hierarchy ([[Exodus, Part I]]).
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===Idols===
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At the end of the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Kara Thrace, a devotee of Artemis and Aphrodite (as stated by [[Leoben Conoy]] in the same episode), prays to them on Conoy's behalf using figurines that bear a similarity to classic representations of Artemis and Athena. Artemis is depicted with her bow and arrow, and Athena with her helmet of war.

When visting the oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]], Thrace receives a figurine of the goddess [[Aurora, Goddess of the Dawn|Aurora]] as a gift ([[Maelstrom]]).
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===Prayer===
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Some prisoners on the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' seeking rehabilitation have turned to group prayer.
They greet Laura Roslin as a prophet and she provides them with a blessing ([[The Farm]]).

Priest [[Elosha]] sings a group prayer in a [[Service for the dead]] after the Fleet escapes from the initial Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]).<ref>The language she sings is [[w:Sanskrit|Sanskrit]], a classical language of real-world Earth's Hindu/Indian peoples. More about the verses that she sings and their meaning can be found in the [[Language in the Twelve Colonies#Liturgy|Language in the Twelve Colonies]] article.</ref> The priest also gives a prayer after ''[[Colonial One]]'' is boarded by Commander Adama's troops to remove Roslin from power ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

A chaplain delivered a simple prayer at the funeral of [[Zak Adama]], two years prior to the fall of the Colonies ([[Act of Contrition]])<ref>The prayer's mention of committing a "body to the ground from which we were all made" echoes the Biblical passage of [http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/genesis/genesis3.htm Genesis 3:19]:'''
:"By the sweat of your brow
:you will eat your food
:until you return to the ground,
:since from it you were taken;
:for dust you are
:and to dust you will return."</ref>:

<blockquote>"The burdens of this life are with us but a short time. For Lieutenant Zak Adama, son of [[William Adama|William]] and [[Carolanne Adama]], brother of [[Lee Adama|Lee]], the time was too short, but we take comfort in knowing his life was willingly given in service to all of us. We honor them for that. And thus, it falls upon us to repent our sins and with the help of the Lords of Kobol, make our own lives worthy of that gift. And now, we commit his body to the ground from which we were all made."</blockquote>

Corporal [[Venner]] asks [[Laura Roslin]] to join him in a simple prayer while ''Galactica'' is attacked as it desperately tries to find its Fleet ([[Scattered]]).
<blockquote>''(To Roslin:)'' Will you pray with me? ''(He begins:)'' Help us, Lords of Kobol. Help your prophet Laura guide us to the path of righteousness. That we might-- that we might destroy our enemies. Let us walk the path of righteousness and lift our faces unto your goodness. Help us turn away from the calls of the wicked and show us the knowledge of your certain salvation. We offer this prayer.</blockquote>

Prayer is also seen in the [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|Season 3 webisode series]] in a temple (where prayers are written and then burned before an idol), and by [[Kara Thrace]] ([[Miniseries]], "[[Flesh and Bone]]").<br clear="all">
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As [[Laura Roslin]] begins to suffer from [[chamalla]] withdrawal in ''Galactica'''s brig, Corporal Venner, a [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]], anxiously clutches a set of white prayer beads ([[Fragged]]).
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===[[Temple]]===
[[Image:Resistance - Webisode 4.jpg|thumb|[[Nora Farmer|Nora]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] pray in a temple on [[New Caprica]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 4|Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance - Episode 4]]).]]

Temples may have been more elaborate places on the Twelve Colonies, but the spaceborne remnants of humanity presumably use any space they can find on their ships to form a basic temple. As seen on [[New Caprica]], a basic temple may consist of a simple altar with candles, idols of the Lords of Kobol, and what meager offerings the Colonials can give as a [[w:tithe|tithe]]. Some prayers are written on paper and burned ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

The temple on New Caprica was known as the Temple of Artemis ([[Collaborators]]), suggesting that temples are dedicated to a Lord or Lords, and may be related to the pairing of Colonials to a specific set of Lords at their dedication ceremony.

A similar arrangement to temple is found in an [[Yolanda Brenn|oracle camp]] ([[Maelstrom]]).

A room used for religious services on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is referred to as a temple ([[Escape Velocity]]).
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===Sagittaron beliefs===
Orthodox [[Sagittaron#Culture|Sagittaron beliefs]] are more anachronistic than the Gemenese's, believing that the mind and body are myths, and that medicine is "an abomination, a sin against the Gods". Sagittarons also blame physicians for the spread of disease due to their ignorance of the aforementioned "myth" of the body and mind. They traditionally do not believe in violence, even to the point of not aiding the [[New Caprica Resistance]] in their fight against the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] occupation of [[New Caprica]] ([[The Woman King]]).

===Other minority beliefs===

A small minority of the Colonials were secretly [[God (RDM)|monothiests]]. While it is not clear if such worship was still in practice in modern Colonial times up to the Cylon holocaust, an [[Temple of Five|unusual temple]] found on a [[Algae planet|remote planet]] suggests that monotheism was prevalent in the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]].

After the [[Second Exodus]], [[Gaius Baltar]] later founds a monotheistic cult which finds itself in conflict with the established faiths. Baltar's faith comes into direct, violent conflict with the [[Sons of Ares]] as well as the general Colonial polythiests. [[Mithraism]] is also noted in practice ([[Escape Velocity]])

==The Clergy==
The religious and government bodies of the Twelve Colonies work together. This association is likely based on the religious homogeneity of the Colonies.<ref>This differs from the United States, whose government is based on religious tolerance through the separation of religious practice and legislature. While the real-world Earth has many, many religions, the Twelve Colonies, as yet, appear to have only one religion and as such does not suffer greatly from schisms or other religious factions, although colonists such as the Gemenese show a different emphasis on how they interpret the religious writings.</ref>

===Priests===
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Collaborators - Priest.jpg|right|thumb|A male [[Unnamed characters (RDM)#Priest|priest]]. ([[Collaborators]]).]]
[[Image:Elosha1.jpg|thumb|left|Elosha, priest and friend of President Roslin. ([[Home, Part I]])]]
[[Laura Roslin]] [[Case Orange|is sworn into the presidency]] by a ''priest'', [[Elosha]], who continues on in an advisory capacity within Roslin's administration.
Priests also preside over military funerals, without regard for the beliefs of the deceased.

Priests in the Twelve Colonies are apparently not required to practice celibacy, and can be male or female. Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] states that his father was a priest and his mother an oracle ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).<ref>Galen Tyrol's information may be skewed by the revelation that he himself is a Cylon ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).</ref>

According to [[Billy Keikeya]], some priests use [[chamalla]] for its hallucinogenic properties. The prescient dreams it imparted to Laura Roslin may imply the use of something similar by [[Pythia]], an ancient prophet. [[Oracle]]s also use the drug.
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===Brothers===
[[Image:Cyca2.jpg|left|thumb|The false Brother [[Cavil]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).]]
The term ''Brother'' is used as a title for male members of the clergy, although it is not fully apparent whether this role is similar to that of a [[w:Monk|monk]] or [[w:Deacon|deacon]].

As with priests, a brother offers consultation and leads prayer.

The only instance of this clergy is Brother [[Cavil]], who offers guidance to Chief Tyrol.

Cavil, however, is revealed as a [[humanoid Cylon]] some time later. Because of Cavil's nature, there may be doubt as to whether Cavil is a useful example of the work of a Brother in Colonial religion.

It is probable that Brothers are lay clergy (unlike priests and oracles, who appear to have political status as well as their religious status).

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===Sisters===
[[Image:Tivenan.jpg|right|thumb|Sister Tivenan (right) at a [[dedication ceremony]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance: Episode 10]])]]
As with Brothers in the clergy, there are ''Sisters'' as well.

Sister [[Tivenan]] is briefly seen tending to business in the temple on [[New Caprica]], guiding prayer and officiating a [[dedication ceremony]] for the [[Nicholas Tyrol|newborn son]] of [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]] and [[Cally Tyrol]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

It is probable that Sisters, like Brothers, are lay clergy.
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===Oracles===
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[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Oracle Selloi.jpg|left|thumb|The oracle [[Dodona Selloi]] ([[Exodus, Part I]]).]]
[[Image:S3 oraclebrenn low.jpg|right|thumb|The oracle [[Yolanda Brenn]] ([[Maelstrom]]).]]
There is little information as to the religious functions of ''oracles''. [[Dodona Selloi]] is one of two oracles seen in the Re-imagined Series. She confirms the dreams of a copy of [[Number Three]] and the existence of [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]. It is not clear if Selloi is sitting in a tent designated as a temple, but there are numerous ornate or curious inscriptions surrounding and inside her tent that suggest the significance of the oracle's tent or her presence. A second oracle, [[Yolanda Brenn]], gives counsel to [[Kara Thrace]] on her strange dreams aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Maelstrom]]).

Priests and oracles may assume their roles due to an personal, possibly inherited affinity to sense spiritual changes or conditions. [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Final Five|believed to be the son of a priest and oracle]], detects the presence of and finds the [[Temple of Five]] alone, based only on his senses, apparently detecting the hidden temple on the otherwise-unremarkable (and undocumented) [[algae planet]] ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). However, it is revealed later that he is in fact a humanoid Cylon, one of the ([[Final Five]]), and had visited the site before.
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== A Cylon Connection ==
:''Main article: [[Cylon Religion]]''
:''See Also: [[The Destiny]], [[Final Five]], [[Temple of Five]]''

While humanoid Cylons show a strict, firm belief in a monotheistic [[God (RDM)|God]], referring to the Lords of Kobol as "false idols," a connection between the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol may exist. In "[[Exodus, Part I]]", an [[Selloi|oracle]] tells [[Number Three]] (who has a ''dream'' of the oracle's tent and of holding the believed-dead hybrid child [[Hera Agathon|Hera]]) that she has a message from the one that Number Three worships. This poses the question how an oracle of the Lords of Kobol be able to hear the messages of the Cylon God.

A Kobollian god(s) was separated from the others (per a deleted scene about a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Jealous God|jealous god]]).

The [[Temple of Five]], which a [[Number Three]] uses to visualize the identities of the [[Final Five]]) was not built for the Cylons (who were not created until 4,000 years later) but for humans. The Temple, according to the Sacred Scrolls, was built for five priests who worshiped "[[The One Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken]]". It is not clear if this was the spurned "jealous god" or another fallen member of the Lords of Kobol. No further information on the connection between the Cylon and Colonial religions in regards to the Temple of Five is revealed as of the end of Season 3.<ref>While the notion of a fallen Lord is speculative in the Re-imagined Series, there is already a parallel series of characters from the [[Original Series]]: The [[Beings of Light]] and their fallen member, [[Iblis]]. [[Ron D. Moore]], however, has stated in several interviews that he was not planning to use this Original Series concept in the Re-imagined Series.</ref>

[[Kara Thrace]] realizes her [[The Destiny|destiny]], first from the words of a [[Leoben Conoy]] model, and later, in a type of dream, through a [[Virtual Leoben|entity that took the likeness of Leoben]], but was not a Cylon. From death, Thrace [[Crossroads, Part II|returns]] to the Fleet, not as an illusion, but resurrected -- something that, prior to Thrace, only a humanoid Cylon could do.

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Grace Park

2009-07-11T23:39:39Z

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'''Grace Park''' (born March 14, 1974 in Los Angeles, California) is an actress who portrays the various [[Number Eight]] Cylons (notably [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Sharon Valerii]]) in the [[Re-imagined Series]].

Born in Los Angeles, California, Park's family moved to Vancouver in Canada when she was 22 months old. Grace considers herself to be a Canadian, while also recognizing her Korean heritage.

Park broke into film with a small role in the [[w:Jet Li|Jet Li]] movie ''[[w:Romeo Must Die|Romeo Must Die]]''. In the few years following, she appeared in episodes of ''[[w:The Outer Limits|The Outer Limits]]'', ''[[w:Beyond Belief|Beyond Belief]]'', ''[[w:Dark Angel (TV series)|Dark Angel]]'', ''[[Imdb:tt0248644|The Immortal]]'' and ''[[w:Stargate SG-1|Stargate SG-1]]''. Following this, Grace Park was one of the last two finalists up for the role of "[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]", the other being [[Katee Sackhoff]], who ultimately got the part.

She has also been cast into the 2007 real-time strategy game ''[[w:Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars|Command & Conquer 3: Tiberian Wars]]'' as Lt. Sandra Telfair, a member of the GDI Forces.

Park holds a degree in psychology and speaks English, Korean, some French and Cantonese, and is currently improving her Spanish.

Park co-starred in the Summer 2008 TV series ''[[w:The Cleaner (TV series)|The Cleaner]]'', and in the fall of 2008 joined the cast of the Canadian crime drama series ''[[w:The Border (TV series)|The Border]]''.

== External Links ==

* [http://board.thescifiworld.net/viewforum.php?f=34 Ask Grace Park] in [http://board.thescifiworld.net The Scifi World] forums
*[http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003---interviews/grace-park-galactica.tv-interview.html Grace Park interview] at [http://www.galactica.tv GALACTICA.TV]

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2009-07-10T02:18:52Z

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Talk:Resurrection tub/Archive 1

2009-07-07T22:36:04Z

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==Change Name==
Hey, I was checking the BSG glossary at the official site [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/storysofar/glossary/page3.html], and I noticed that this is called a "Resurrection Chamber". Should we change the name? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:35, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:I've gone ahead and proposed the move with the move tag. [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 13:24, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

:To me, "chamber" refers to the room, while "tank" is the tub. That it's defined as "liquid-filled chamber" there sounds a bit weird. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
::The first thing I personally thought of was a tank tank (i.e. for combat). Hehe. What about "Resurrection tub"? [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 13:29, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
::The article specifically talks about resurrection tanks/tubs, not the chamber(room). Perhaps their should be a separate article about the chamber the tanks are in... [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 13:42, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

I know this is an old discussion, but the official website still [http://www.syfy.com/battlestar/about/index.php?sub=glossary] has this device classified as a "resurrection chamber", and although the word is commonly used to refer to a room, it can also refer to something like this: "''a compartment or enclosed space; cavity: a chamber of the heart''" (dictionary.com). I know it's not exactly important, but the information has certainly lasted and it came from a reputable-enough source. So yeah, I think we should change it. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:Syfy (looks too much like "syphillis" to me) often has error in their information. Since the device has never been named in-show, it's appropriate to use the an official source. At the same time, I don't think we need to get all zealous and change every instance. If one doesn't exist, let's just add a redirect for the same term. "Chamber" may be what Syfy uses, but the term seems inaccurate to describe a small space as opposed to a larger one, like the expanse where hundreds of tanks resided in "Rapture." With that, I'd favor the semantically smaller "tank". We can use either term synonymously, as we do with [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and baseship.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Resurrection tub/Archive 1

2009-07-07T22:32:45Z

Spencerian: /* Change Name */ -reply

==Change Name==
Hey, I was checking the BSG glossary at the official site [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/storysofar/glossary/page3.html], and I noticed that this is called a "Resurrection Chamber". Should we change the name? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 19:35, 13 September 2006 (CDT)
:I've gone ahead and proposed the move with the move tag. [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 13:24, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

:To me, "chamber" refers to the room, while "tank" is the tub. That it's defined as "liquid-filled chamber" there sounds a bit weird. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
::The first thing I personally thought of was a tank tank (i.e. for combat). Hehe. What about "Resurrection tub"? [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 13:29, 13 July 2007 (CDT)
::The article specifically talks about resurrection tanks/tubs, not the chamber(room). Perhaps their should be a separate article about the chamber the tanks are in... [[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 13:42, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

I know this is an old discussion, but the official website still [http://www.syfy.com/battlestar/about/index.php?sub=glossary] has this device classified as a "resurrection chamber", and although the word is commonly used to refer to a room, it can also refer to something like this: "''a compartment or enclosed space; cavity: a chamber of the heart''" (dictionary.com). I know it's not exactly important, but the information has certainly lasted and it came from a reputable-enough source. So yeah, I think we should change it. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 06:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:Syfy (looks too much like "syphillis" to me) often has error in their information. Since the device has never been named in-show, it's appropriate to use the an official source. At the same time, I don't think we need to get all zealous and change every instance. If one doesn't exist, let's just add a redirect for the same term. "Chamber" may be what Syfy uses, but the term seems inaccurate to describe a small space as opposed to a larger one. We can use either term synonymously, as we do with [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and baseship.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sandra Roslin

2009-07-06T23:19:17Z

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Approximately two years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], Roslin was killed in a car accident by a drunk driver. Also killed in the accident was her sister, [[Sandra Roslin|Sandra]] as well as their father.

The accident leaves Laura Roslin momentarily traumatized and unsure of her direction in life ([[Daybreak, Part I]]).

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Cheryl Roslin

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'''Cheryl Roslin''' is the younger sister of [[Laura Roslin]].

Approximately two years prior, Roslin was killed in a car accident by a drunk driver. Also killed in the accident was her sister, [[Sandra Roslin|Sandra]] as well as their father.

The accident leaves Laura Roslin momentarily traumatized and unsure of her direction in life ([[Daybreak, Part I]]).

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User talk:Galahad

2009-07-06T23:04:03Z

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Talk:Battlestar Group/Archive 1

2009-07-02T02:59:02Z

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== ''Galactica'' as lead ship ==

Do we actually know that ''Galactica'' was the lead ship of BSG-75? With Adama only being a Commander and not an Admiral that doesn't have to be the case. And since ''Galactica'' was to be retired, the group was probably led from some other ship or ''Galactica'' wasn't even part of a standing group anymore. "Hero" also states that ''Galactica'' was supposed to be his retiring command, and command of a whole BS Group doesn't go so well with that.<br>
In any case I removed the rank from Adama's name there, since Battlestar Groups don't really exist anymore. And even if ''Galactica'' was the lead ship he was only a Commander then --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:45, 11 December 2006 (CST)

== Misc ==

The designation Battlestar Group 75 would have no more relation to the hull number of a BattleStar then that if US Navy ship to the Task Force number it was assigned to. Example Task Force 38 (WW-II) was the same ships as Task Force 58, all that changed was which Admiral was in charge. Similar statements can be made for AirGroups.

== Group ==

''"Curiously, Aaron Doral states that Galactica was one of the original 12 Battlestars built during the early days of the Cylon War, which makes this designation number curiously high."''

Um...not really. For example, the first airborne unit in the US Army was the 82nd Airborne Division - it doesn't mean that there were 81 airborne diivsions before it, it meant that it was the 82nd division of the Army, and that it was designed to operate airborne. The 75th Battlestar Group might have been the 75th group in the Colonial Fleet, but the first one to have battlestars in it. And there's no reason that the Galactica couldn't have been shuffled around to other, or newer, Fleet units, especially given what we know happened after the end of the war. Someone should change this articvle to reflect that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 15:23, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

: We may also want to keep an eye out tonight to see what Battlestar Group the ''Pegasus'' was a part of. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 15:47, 23 September 2005 (EDT)
:: I believe their uniforms said [[62nd Battlestar Group]] - can anyone who taped it confirm? [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:35, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
:::I have it on tape but I cannot tell; the crest is on screen so it is "canonical" but it's too fuzzy to see. I've only got it on regular tape so I can't DVD zoom or anything. Maybe it's displayed on their flight deck: I noticed that "BSG-75" is emblazoned on the flight deck of ''Galactica'' (look when Raptors land). However, I don't know if we have a shot of someone landing on ''Pegasus''. A good question for RDM's blog? ---Ricimer, 24 Sept, 2005

Do we know for certain that it HAS to be an acronym? US battleships were given the prefix BB - obviously not battleship. Carriers are CV - C for carrier, V for "heavier than air aircraft" obviously not an acronym. Perhaps Battlestar is a class and BSG stands for something else. It could also be certianly used to explain the number sequencing too - ie Galactica being number 12 of the original Battlestars, but having the number 75.

:Actually, those hull numbers are classification. For the base type of a hull, its just the first letter repeated (hence, BB for Battleship, DD for Destroyer, etc.) Roles of the basic class are indicated by changing the second letter. Futher variants are described by adding a third letter. In the case of aircraft carriers, the ship's primary classification is Cruiser, giving it a base classification of CC, however, aircraft carriers are special-purpose cruisers. In their case, the word chosen to describe their role was Aviation, for obvious reasons. Unfortunately, in the early 20th century when this schema was enacted, CA was already taken by Cruiser - Armoured, or heavily armored cruisers, so the Navy used the second letter, V, as the type designator for the aircraft carrier classification, yielding the now-familiar CV (and later, CVE, CVA, CVN, etc.) If we were to assume that BSG is a hull classification as opposed to a taskforce number, using the US Navy naming convention (other countries and planets actual mileage may vary), it would translate to Battleship (B) Scout (S) Guided Missile (G), or a Battleship built for a scouting role armed with Guided Missiles. Obviously that doesn't describe [[Galactica]] by any stretch of the imagination, so either 1) BSG is in fact a taskforce number, 2) BSG-75 is Galactica's hull number using some hitherto unknown scheme (like Star Trek's NCC/NAR/NX system), or 3) it has some other meaning not covered here. --[[User:Bronzite|Bronzite]] 16:29, 21 December 2005 (EDT)

::It has been confirmed that "BSG" stands for "BattleStar Group". The crest of Galactica says "BSG-75" and in episode #2, "[[Water]]", we see a chart that has a schematic of the ship on it, and on this chart is written out "Battlestar Group 75". Mind you, we don't know how the NUMBERING system works; i.e. there were 120 Battlestars before the attack, so who knows how many were in a "group" (i.e. is there a group "79" or are there 7 main branches under different admirals, and WITHIN these oversector groups we then have individual grouaps, 1 through 5? (thus the seventh admiral commands 5 groups?)--->This is baseless speculation. I'm just saying that we DO know what "BSG" stands for, but we have no idea how the number corresponds. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:55, 21 December 2005 (EST)
:::Well, the nameplate on the outside of Galactica is marked "BS-75", likewise the Pegasus is "BS-63" as seen (difficultly) in this picture. It could be an arbitrary number like US Navy taskforce numbers from WWII like TF 58. Of course the Pegasus could be the second battlestar of the name, keeping the number of the older, Galactica-like ship, thus explaining the lower number. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:27, 21 December 2005 (EST)
::::Got a better pic, the first was that one I uploaded of the Peggie. Also, maybe the group number is based on the command ship, so a group commanded by the Galactica would be BSG-75 after the BS-75. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:36, 21 December 2005 (EST)
[[Image:Galnameplate.JPG|thumb|Galactica Nameplate]]

The Battlestar Group number could also be related to how the US Navy named battlegroups in World War 2. The examples of Task Force 38 and Task Force 58 essentially mean that those were respectively the 8th task force of Third and Fifth Fleets. Decimals would also be added to further denote smaller groups or individual ships as a part of the whole. An example of this is that, since Task Force 38 had as many as seventeen aircraft carriers, it wasn't a common occurrence for all seventeen to be focused on attacking the same fleet or island. Task Force 38.3, for example, would only contain several carriers and would be far more practical to use against a target. Task Forces didn't always have carriers, either. For example: Task Force 34-the 4th TF of the 3rd Fleet-solely consisted of battleships, cruisers and destroyers. If these are similar to Battlestar Groups then, Galactica could conceivably be part of the 5th Battlestar Group of the 7th Fleet.[[User:Newbe83|Newbe83]] 22:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

:Welcome Newbe83. While the numbers, to our knowledge, are arbitrary, your speculation has greater ground than others, I think. I don't know where or how we can verify anything to support the idea, sadly. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

==Galactica & Pegasus==

Why note move this page to BSG and have BSG-75 and whatever number the Pegasus ends up being both redirect there? There's not much to say about either group in particular, so much as the BSG as a concept and which ones are known. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:45, 26 September 2005 (EDT)

==Pegasus Group Number==

This was contentious for some time, since the screenshots are really quite blurry, but this image posted by [[User:Talos|Talos]] on [[Talk:Pegasus (RDM)]] resolved the matter to my satisfaction:

[[Image:Cain_Pegasus_emblem_BSG_63.jpg]]

If there's still disagreement, we can note the assignment as tentative. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:54, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

*I am familiar with this image from the previous discussion: I can't tell if I'm seeing an "8", a "6", or a "2". I feel this image is too fuzzy. No, we should not note it as tentative, because it's really hard to tell. We can just wait until "Ressurection Ship"--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:57, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

And apparently, Pegasus may have been a member of BSG 75. Two of the prospective DVD covers for "Razor" show the Pegasus seal with BSG 75 on it.
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-[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:11, 28 August 2007 (CDT)
: Unfortunately, those images are wrong. The number's been conclusively proven as BSG 62. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 00:09, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
:: I understand that, but maybe, after Cain died and Adama ascended to Admiralship, Pegasus was incorporated into BSG 75. It's only a theory, of course, and I'm probably wrong, but, it ''could'' be right. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 03:38, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
:::Occam's razor says that someone simply made an error. They probably had a better source image of the ''Galactica'' logo and only updated the name (also note that the font is different), but neglected the number. To be honest, while it's noticeable as fan, it isn't ''that'' obvious. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 04:41, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

== ship, not group identifier ==

As the flight decks of the battlestar PEGASUS (as well as on the nameplate) bore the '62' designator, this - if one takes the US Naval practice into consideration - makes it a SHIP designator. Also, in some episodes, you see the battlestar designated solely by its number on the DRADIS screen. True, the GALACTICA is an older ship than PEGASUS, yet PEGASUS' number designator is lower than the GALACTICA. As the U.S. Navy does change numbers around from time to time, it is not impossible that "BSG" was a new designator for battlestars, and that when the renumbering took place, the newer ships got the lower numbers, hence PEGASUS having 62, instead of 75.
-[[User:Expatkiwi|Expatkiwi]]20:26, 26 December 2007 (PST)
:It can apparently be both. We know that ''Galactica'' definitely belongs to BSG 75 from the chart on the podium in "[[Water]]" (that's where the "battlestar group" thing comes from in the first place). So extending that to ''Pegasus'' makes sense. Cain is also an admiral, who could command a small fleet. Some people do indeed confuse that and tried to extend the group number of ''[[Valkyrie]]'' to the ship as well, but that was corrected. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:05, 27 December 2007 (CST)

:Well the thing is this. In "[[Razor]]" the patch on young William Adama's flight suit still reads BSG 75, which throws a serious wrench into the whole renumbering thing (which I hate because I thought the same thing you did for some time). I don't like it, because it doesn't make sense, but that's what's on screen. Keeping in mind Aaron Doral's statement from the [[Miniseries]] which tells us that ''Galactica'' was one of twelve original battlestars assigned to protect each of the colonies, I submit that it's ''remotely'' possible that ''Galactica'' was renumbered ''if'' more battlestars were built towards the end of the Cylon War, much like the dramatic buildup of the US Navy towards the end of World War II. However, for one, his statement seems to suggest that there were only twelve battlestars in the entire War. Two, it still makes no sense even then to renumber ''Galactica'', and three, the truth of the matter is that the costuming department just slapped a ''Galactica'' patch on Adama's flightsuit because that's what was lying around. It just goes to show you how little the idea of there being "battlestar groups" or hull numbers really matters to the writers or any of the production staff.
:If that's not enough, from the first shot of ''Galactica'' from the Miniseries where we zoom in to the port side of the ship, you should see the hull number, but you can only see "BS" - the number itself isn't even there. This shot has been recycled many times, including in "Razor". Sometimes, the entire hull number marking isn't even there (watch for that in the Miniseries, where Starbuck surveys damage to the port pod). We just have to take 75 and 62 for what they are, just numbers.--[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 02:31, 29 December 2007 (CST)
::Could we [[BW:OC|ask Bradley]]? He can't have ''that'' much to do at the moment...[[User:OTW|OTW]] 12:22, 29 December 2007 (CST)
::Why even assume that the numbers are somehow in order or chronological? Real-life militaries don't do that either. Just because there is a 139th squadron of something, doesn't always mean that there are 138 before it. All in all, it's just a number. No reason to scrutinize it endlessly. And yes, the producers don't sign off on every detail the special effects team or the prop department does, which sometimes leads to contradictions. I'm sure they have more important things to worry about than the "correct" assignment of ships to fleets.
::All the more reason, to just leave it as it is. Which kinda makes sense. No particular order, and battlestar groups are numbered after their lead ship for some reason. That might just be because the prop department simply wrote "BSG-62" on the patch for no particular reason (aside from going by the ''Galactica'' patch), but since there likely won't be any other battlestars shown in in the fourth season, it also won't be contradicted or clarified further. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:42, 29 December 2007 (CST)
:::I think that's what I was trying to say, they're just numbers, who knows how they do it; not important.--[[User:OrionFour|OrionFour]] 16:20, 29 December 2007 (CST)

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It is our hope that this place can serve as a location for administrators to coordinate their efforts on the maintenance tasks of the Wiki (it's not ALL fun and games), as well as a spot for our contributors to be able to bring things to the attention of the admins if something needs to be done. Need a protected page edited? An article or picture deleted? Admins will watchlist this page so that your request won't get lost in the shuffle.

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== Current Administrators ==

===Senior Chiefs===
Senior chiefs are, in Wikipedia's terminology, bureaucrats who have the ability to make other users into chiefs. They also have the ability to check user and other advance functions not under the purview of the chiefs.
Currently senior chiefs are:
*[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]]
*[[User:Shane|Shane]]
*[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]
*[[User:NCommander|NCommander]] (Technical Issues Only)

===Chiefs===
Chiefs are administrators who have access to move, delete and restore pages as well as blocking malicious users. The current chiefs are:
* Active
**[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
**[[User:Gougef|Gougef]]
**[[User:Jonathan|Jonathan]] (PR Coordinator)
**[[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] (Primary Wiki Frakr! Contact)
**[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]]
**[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]]
**[[User:Serenity|Serenity]]
**[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]]
* Inactive
**[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]
**[[User:Day|Day]]
**[[User:Talos|Talos]]
See [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators|list of all chiefs on Battlestar Wiki]]

== Javascript Reported Vandals ==

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== Upload errors ==

So, we're having upload errors... I haven't a clue how to fix it right now, but what I get is this:

: Could not rename file "/tmp/http/phpPZkJNu" to "public/7/7f/Genevieve_Buechner.jpg".

Now, the prefix should really be "/home/bsgwiki/public_html/media/images" and not "public" (no slash in front)... I wonder if there's a configuration setting fubared somewhere in one of 1.13's files? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

: Ok... this is what happens when the disembodied spirit of Jar Jar Binks inhabits all of us... what caused this issue was the fact that the partition was close to (or at) 100% full. We cleaned it up... and, besides, we're moving to a better server with more room to it anyway. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

== Subscription ==

Hi!
I have just paid the subscription fee for a year, but I can still see the ads after having logged out and in again. Is there anything I have to do to confirm it? Have I done anything wrong, or is it just a question of time for the subscription to go through and change my status?
Thanks a mill in advance for your help. -- [[User:Mouan|Mouan]] 16:12, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
: Hi Mouan, I've confirmed your subscription and will set you up here for ads-free viewing in a few minutes... By the way, do you have an account on our [http://www.battlestarforum.com Battlestar Forum]? If so—or if you want to make one—please send me that info so I can enable ads-free viewing of our forums as well. Thank you for helping us out! :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:17, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Mouan, you are all set for both places. Cheers! :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 17:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you guys. One thing - is the subscription valid for other language versions of the wiki or do I need to buy another one for the Spanish wiki? Because I have just checked and it still displays ads. Perhaps it needs to be set up like you did with this one? :) -- [[User:Mouan|Mouan]] 20:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Shane added you to the local (English) sponsor group, but he should've added you to the global sponsor group. @Shane: you can do that through [[Special:GlobalGroupPermissions]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I got a permission error. Same with Joe. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::It tells me I have to be a Senior Chief, which I'm not and you are. What error do you get? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::Interestingly, it gives me the same message, despite the fact that I am a senior chief! Whoa! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 09:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you all. Works like a charm! :)-- [[User:Mouan|Mouan]] 21:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Everything has been updated... ==

Including all base extensions. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]])
:Global groups have been messed up again, though, meaning all global groups and their permissions are gone. I'll restore all that after dinner. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah. Minus that. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:I'm going through and fixing a few of the extensions. For instance, the hide sitenotice extension needs to be modified to allow for unregistered users to hide the message. I'll update this page when I'm done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::My bad. Roger that joe. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't sweat it. :) Fixes were simple. Everything I needed to do is done now. LOL -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Alright, global groups are back up. I've also promoted all sponsors to global status. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Minor DB issue on Media ==

Getting this whenever I post a new article:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "efUpdateCheckUserData". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'bsgwiki_media.cu_changes' doesn't exist (athena.frakmedia.net)".

The article edits still go through though... Probably a case of just needing to run the update.php app. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yup, update.php says "cu_changes table added and populated". Should be fixed now. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:: Great! Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Unified logon for other non-BSG Wikis ==

Also, while I'm at it, can the unified logon work for the other non-BSG Wikis? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that Wikimedia has cross-domain SUL (*.wikipedia.org, *.wiktionary.org, etc.) means it's possible. I'm [irc://freenode/#mediawiki stumping Brion] right now about the lack of documentation for CentralAuth and asking him how to do cross-domain SUL. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 21:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Alright, it turned out to be a configuration variable in CentralAuth.php that I overlooked. Which wikis would you like to add SUL to? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 21:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The Letterman List:

#http://www.battlestarpegasus.com
#http://en.eurekawiki.org
#http://media.eurekawiki.org
#http://wiki.frakr.com
#http://www.sanctuarywiki.org

That's it for now. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:OK, will do those tomorrow afternoon if I have time. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 22:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't all MediaWiki's then have to be the same version then? Minus the EurekaWiki, everything else has it's own mediawiki installation.. which is a bit crazy. :x [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 22:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Having all wikis share the same codebase would help a great deal in setting this thing up, yeah. All wikis don't necessarily have to have the same version, as long as they all have and support CentralAuth. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 22:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I'd like to work on that before we did anything with the CentralAuth. The LocalSettings.php and the media folders we have to keep correct, but I think that would be the better move right now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Of course, I'd love it if you put all wikis on one codebase before I even touch CentralAuth. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 23:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'll be away until Monday, so once you've finished migrating all wikis to the same codebase, please drop me a note on my talk page and I'll get to it when I get back. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 12:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== Skin breakage (again) ==

Somewhere in the last few days (probably related to the recent upgrade), the user options bar (Catrope / my talk / ... / log out ) started overlapping the pages tabs bar (article / discussion / ... / purge). This doesn't happen in the battlestar (default) skin, since they're miles apart there, but does happen in [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|useskin=bsgbook}} bsgbook] and [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|useskin=bsgmonobook}} bsgmonobook]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I can confirm that. Frak. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== Main Page Header Redesign ==

I worked on a re-design of the Main Page header on the [[BW:MAIN]] page. I also removed the airdates section. I have yet to add it to the design, but it be a bar under the two images. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 11:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
: The header is now bloated with the redesign. The header really needs to be as small as possible. To accomplish that, remove the airdate stuff from the header, and I think it'll be fine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Help with the French Battlestar Wiki ==

Addressing Shane: I read about the request to help with the French page of Battlestar Wiki. I'm not sure what sort of help is needed, but I'm reasonably fluent in French and a fan of the re-imagined BSG. If this makes me qualified, perhaps I can be of assistance. I'm new to Wiki, though, which is why I'm posting this here (couldn't find a link for a personal post). Waiting to hear from you. -chimere
:You can post personal messages (sort of, everyone will be able to read them) on a user's talk page. For Shane, this is [[User talk:Shane]]. To start a new section, click the + sign next to the "edit" button on top of the page.
:As to helping with the French wiki: I suggest you browse around the wiki to see what has to be done there (which articles have to be created, improved, etc.) and start doing it. By signing up here you've already got an account on the French wiki as well, and you should be logged in automatically by just [[fr:|visiting it]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 21:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Podcasts ==

To Steelviper:

Please continue the podcasts... Or else... ...how can we keep nerd talking about the series without knowing what's on Mr. Moore's evel mind? It's frakking difficult to understand Mr Moore's speech when english is not your native language. C'mon! Let the rest of the planet taste a little bit of that great series!

PS: Excelent work on episode 406 - Escape Velocity! Gonna start 407 this week! {{unsigned|Gnielsen}}

== Movie ==

We need an article on the BSG movie, now that it has been announced. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:I'm searching about for the announcement, so now I know I'm blind. I did create an episode guide for the [[Caprica (pilot))|Caprica pilot]], however. There could be as many as three BSG movies if Grace Park's comments are to be believed.--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 04:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:There is an article about it called [[Proposed TV movies]] from the time when there were just rumors about it. Given that there is only one movie for the moment, but greenlighted, we should probably take that and move/rename it. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:: Right. I thought we already had an article... and that was it. Just couldn't find it. We could simply name it the "Cylon TV movie", since that's what it's gonna be about anyway according to the press release. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
::: Ok, now that we have [http://www.bcfilmcommission.com/about_us/film_list.htm?film_type=mow a name] for the movie that's officially been released (it is called "The Plan", at least for now) we should get cracking on the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== What image in [[Scattered]]? ==

What image do the credits in "[[Scattered]]" refer to?
:Atlas Image Obtained As Part Of The Two Micron All Sky Survey (2Mass), a joint project of the University of Massachusetts and the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center/California Institute of Technology, funded by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and the National Science Foundation.
--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 15:23, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== TV.com ==

Should we include links to [[w:TV.com|TV.com]] on the infoboxes of cast and crew?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

: No, I don't think that's really worth our trouble. IMDb already has the same info that TV.com does, if not more. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

== DVD Menu Pictures (and so on) ==

Would it go against any copyright policy to upload any images/video(?) of the ''BSG'' DVD menus? I think it would add a certain layer and provide for those who have yet to buy the DVDs, are just curious to see how the other Region DVDs look, or wanted to compare how the designs for each changed over time (i.e. the difference between [[Battlestar Galactica - Season One (Region 1 DVD)|Season 1 (Region 1 DVD)]] and [[Battlestar Galactica - Season Three (Region 1 DVD)|Season 3]]).--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 01:36, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:A good question. Stills of the menus should be OK. Videos may be excessive from a size standpoint unless the interface has a definitive look that's appealing and unique. The differences between the regions (which is possible since the studios may license the packaging and interface to different companies in the world for distribution) would a benefit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 02:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Concerning some of the planets ==

OK, since the message I left on [[Category talk:Planets]] has been ignored for nearly a week, I though I would leave a message here to express a concern, that some of the "planets" on the planets category are actually moons. So I am wondering if we could either move the category to "Planets and Moons", or just simply start a Moon category. What do you admins think. I thank you all in advance. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 00:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
: We could do either. Six of one, half dozen of the other, IMHO. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

== Credit lists ==

Before I go ahead and transcribed more, is it against any sort of policy to have the credits listed here as they appear on the show?
Here's the lists I have so far:
*[[User:DrWho42/Miniseries End Credits|Miniseries End Credits]]
*[[User:DrWho42/33 End Credits|33 End Credits]]
*[[User:DrWho42/Razor End Credits|Razor End Credits]] (''incomplete'')
--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 14:47, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

: Nope. We may need to beautify the lists though, in the way that the [[List of pilots]] or the cast and crew lists already are. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

== Firefox Add-on ==

Is there a possibility of having a Battlestar Wiki search engine for Firefox (as it isn't listed here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browse/type:4/cat:all?sort=name )?--[[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 18:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:Who would program it? Is there a "kit" of sorts to do so? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, in Firefox, if you click on the drop down item next to the search bar, you should see something like '''Add "Battlestar Wiki (en)"''' in the drop-down menu. Just click on that, and you should be able to search the wiki via Firefox's built in search apparatus. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::Sadly, when I did that with 3.0.4, I got an error message in trying to add it. I've been loving the idea of creating an iPhone/iTouch app that would be a search engine for BW-En as well...I might write a developer to see if he can extend one of his products. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
:::''"Firefox could not download the search plugin from:
<nowiki>http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/opensearch_desc.php</nowiki>"''- Annoying, cos I could do it in Firefox 2. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

== Links on the left ==

Anyone know why I have more useful links below the search box when I am logged out than when I am logged in? When logged in, I only have one box named Projects, but when logged out, it is replaced by Navigation, Series and Support. [[User:Caldumidoan|Caldumidoan]] 07:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
: It's a configuration issue with one of the mediawiki extensions that we use to generate the sidebars... I'll try to look into it over the holiday weekend. Working on final corrections to the auction catalog right now, so that's why I haven't fixed that issue yet. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== Skin problems ==

Since the [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2008/12/27/new-skin/ monobook-based skins were disabled], several users have been getting blank pages or error 500s while logged in. This seems to be the result of having a disabled skin selected, this problem can be solved by going to [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&useskin=battlestar http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&useskin=battlestar]. Is there a large-scale solution? For example using a mediawiki extension which uses the the default skin if a user's current skin is disabled, or going into the user settings and do an automated mass search and replace to give everyone who currently using a disabled skin the new default skin. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 06:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Crap.I have to ru a database comand to fix that. I will do that now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's my fault. Sorry about that. Shane, let me know the sit rep on that, OK? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::After 10 days... everything should be good. I used a mass. command to reset everyone back to the default skin. Including our own admin peter. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 14:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== Featured Article and Featured Pic ==

Any objections to someone just "executively" deciding to update them before next week? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 23:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:If you don't get to it, I'll try in the next 24. Joe is a little busy with the auction, and hopefully other admins will jump back on to aid a bit. I'll be putting in more time here to keep the cruft down. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::Looks like it's "Return of the Admins" week. :D [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

==No Navigation==
So, uh, I can't see the thing on the left with things like "recent changes" and stuff in it anymore. Using default skin. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 18:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems to work now [[User:OTW|OTW]] 22:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

And now it's gone again. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 23:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Still not there. I get it if I log out though.--[[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:03, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:Hmm. That makes me wonder if it has something to do with the logic that switches up the contents of the navigation bar based on your user group. Sounds like a Shane or Joe question to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 19:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:I concur. I'd hate for someone to do edits and find that they didn't save because they used the browser's back button or something. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 03:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::I'll double check. But under my 'Navigation' when I do a preview, 'Recent Changes' is still there... [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 04:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe assign yourself to the same group as OTW? (Or create a dummy account that mirrors OTW's privs?) Seeing as how you're in the sysop group (amongst others), the results might be different. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's still not there. I am missing the entire navigation box, not just RC [[User:OTW|OTW]]

:I have this same issue and have for a while now. It happens on all the different skins. --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 23:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Cubit Related Images ==

I have tried from 4 different computers at 4 different locations to view the "Related Images" section towards the bottom of the page. Each time a 100 cubit note pops up for about 5 seconds and then it vanishes. After that I am unable to see any of the pics in this section. Why? Is there some special kind of trick I need to use? Please help?

== Hulu content ==

While rolling the dice, I've run across quite a few of the pages with Hulu content that are broken or are pointing at videos that no longer exist. Just an FYI, we need to do some cleanup on these. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 16:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, I've fixed all the original series Hulu links. The 1980 and RDM episodes we had no longer exist on Hulu, that I can find. Those pages should probably be deleted and the links removed from episode guides. There are new RDM episodes but I'm hesitant to create pages/link them as I don't know about the shelf-life (how long will they remain available?). Thoughts? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 17:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, cleaned up all Hulu content. Unavailable stuff is gone and episodes that are available are linked. I even got wild and linked "[[The Face of the Enemy]]". Also, I appear to be having a conversation with myself ... I'm so lonely ... [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 01:22, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks! Yeah, I can relate. You should see some of the conversations I have over at the podcast project. I can be a bit of a taskmaster sometimes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 01:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Content being copied to Wikipedia ==

Do you guys have any opinion on your content being copied and pasted to Wikipedia? If I understand correctly your content is covered by a non-commercial only license, so I don't think it's allowed. Right? [[User:AlistairMcMillan|AlistairMcMillan]] 23:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
:Correct. Our content is mostly CC:NC, so it's not license compatible w/ Wikipedia. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:55, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

== Strange behavior in Recent Changes ==

Since last week I noticed that the advanced recent changes format (which shows collapsed entries for me) disappeared. Cycling the setting and refreshing the browser did nothing.

And now the new users pages show filled pages and double entries, instead of the standard red new pages and single entry if someone's welcomed them.

The wiki's not falling apart like ''Galactica'', is it? Shane? :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
:hah. It has to... we follow Galactica into Battle! I think it's because there was an extension loaded called 'NewUserLog' before it was built into 1.14.0. That might be causing you problems. I just disabled the other plugin, but we won't see if that fixes until a new user. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 22:56, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
::No joy. I don't see ANY red links in Recent Changes...and new user's talk pages continue to show non-red, even before we splat a welcome message there. Do we need some Cylon plug-in glue? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Oops. Didn't communicate here very well. It's currently WAD (working as designed), as they got rid of the red from the RC (in part because Shane hates seeing red there). The only consolation I could give on that front (outside of trying to wrangle with Shane over the color schemes) is that if you mouseover the talk pages it will show whether a page is not created (at least it does in Chrome, so I'd assume it applies to Safari). But Shane DID fix the double entry for the new user thing. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Okie-dokie. The show's characters aren't the only ones not dealing with change well... :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::No worries. Major updates to wiki once we finsh this airing. We got lots of cleanup to do. Mops get ready.. GO! :D [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:Ok. Fine. You all win! RED is now all uncreated pages or visited links that don't have any page as well. Hard refresh for it to show up. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 23:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

== Is this news? ==

Or: where to put this
[http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090322] {{unsigned|Faile}}

:It's not really news. You're welcome to add a link to it on the Battlestar Forum. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Capitalized Headlines ==

The first headings on each page are "capitalized" (The First Character Of Every Single Word Is Transformed To Upper Case); this is done [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/skins/battlestar/battlestar_template.css via CSS]. At least for the German Battlestar Wiki, this looks awful. Even with all Battlestar Wikis sharing the same set of stylesheets, there is a solution:
''Please'' change
#content .firstHeading {
...
border: none; /* No border for page title */
text-transform: capitalize;
}
to something like
#content .firstHeading {
...
border: none; /* No border for page title */
text-transform: capitalize;
}
#content :lang(de) .firstHeading {
text-transform: inherit;
}
(or do it the other way round, activating the transformation for specified languages only). This should fix it for all modern, standards-conforming browsers. Thank you! --[[User:Bruno-the-questionable|Bruno-the-questionable]] 17:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:Will do. Sorry for the long update. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Major gripe at spoiler insensitivity. ==

I have been left angry and frustrated at this wiki's lack of sensitivty and spoiler alerts. I have just finished watching season 1, as I am late to the series. Typically after watching a lot of episodes, I read up on them online in case I have missed any subplots, just as a quick reminder of what is happening. And after years of looking at the star trek wiki, I decided that I would read about the first season here.

I should not find out key information about upcoming seasons when reading a season 1 episode page without significantly placed spoiler alerts. I have learnt of 2 of the main cast who are later revealed to be cylons when I certainly did not want to know. This has significantly spoiled some major plot points, and things that would shock and amaze me will be anti-climatic. I cannot adequetely express how truelly angry I am at this site. (And frankly I'm astonhished that I have managed to aviod cussing).
:I agree that no episode page should blab facts from newer episodes; this rule ''should'' be easy to follow.
:Other spoilers might be more difficult to avoid. In the German version, we have serious spoiler problems because the end of season 3 is currently broadcasted, but some know parts of season 4 from the English version already. Many spoiler warnings are missing, and others are outdated; especially the latter are difficult to track.
:I'd suggest reluctance when putting spoiling information in boilerplates; it is not necessary for a page about a cylon to tell about all of its/his/her colleagues. Things like this can be done using categories which tell their story only when explicitely viewed. --[[User:Bruno-the-questionable|Tobias]] 17:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

::It's a challenging, but not impossible suggestion. There will be many people who have not watched the show. While the Re-imagined Series was in production, episode guides were the primary method to stay spoiler free until airing. Now, all the "dirty laundry" is out. But a good point is raised. Information could be made more sequential, so that, through a simple visual cue, a reader could know that this so-and-so is a season 1 character from the episode "Blah-blah". Then the hard part; writing articles to detail not their "current" status, but their chronological details, preferably by season so a reason knows when to stop reading as to not be spoiled. This doesn't stop a reader from clicking on any link they see, but if we can redo articles on this premise, we could--MAYBE--format things to minimize revelations from Season 4 that are written in episode and character summaries at their article's start. I'll want to think about this and get other's comments; it would be a massive wiki formatting challenge, but it would minimize over-spoilage (but never eliminate). A lot on many pages are cruft, anyway, and this could also help simplify content throughout. I'm thinking over it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Robots for redirection pages ==

Redirection pages are generally considered ugly; but uglier yet is a ''missing'' redirection. In the German version we have quite a few pages with suboptimal names which won't get fixed because after the move the clicked links would be redirections. It would be cool if there was a robot which would take care of this and update the links to pages which were turned into redirections; like this ("old name" being a page which was renamed to – and now redirects to – "new page"):
* <nowiki>[[old name]]</nowiki> —> <nowiki>[[new name|old name]]</nowiki> (''or'', maybe, simply <nowiki>[[new name]]</nowiki>)
* <nowiki>[[old name|new name]]</nowiki> —> <nowiki>[[new name]]</nowiki>
* <nowiki>[[old name|other name]]</nowiki> —> <nowiki>[[new name|other name]]</nowiki>
The visible text should not be affected (with the possible exception of the simple link w/o adjustment of the visible text). Possibly there is such a robot already, because the reduction of redirections might be a quite common need.
Such a robot could run once a week and take care of all ''new'' redirections only. Would this be possible? --[[User:Bruno-the-questionable|Tobias]] 17:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:Not that I know of. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 02:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:The Music/Archive 1

2009-06-29T21:33:46Z

Spencerian: /* Weezer */ --thoughts

== Naming ==

To match RDM's description of what the music's source is, the article is not named after the song title to avoid direct association with the "Earthly" version. RDM notes this song was, through some mystical source, created by someone on the Colonies. Until someone actually uses the song title in an episode, it's best to do that. A redirect with the song title points to here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
: Maybe it's time to reconsider this, since the finale explicitly tied Anders' and Slick's songs to the real-world version. -- [[User:David cgc|David cgc]] 22:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Lyrics ==

I added the All along the watchtower line to the lyrics. Oddly, this line is repeated twice in place of the complete third verse, which is missing from the show.--[[User:RUSnooky|RUSnooky]] 00:30, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

== The Music in Context ==

There are a couple of things about the music I find curious in context with the show. First off, as I mention above, the third verse, with the exception of the title line is completely eliminated from the show. Does this mean the Colonial who wrote it (according to [[RDM]]) didn't write this line, or did it just not fit in the context of the show. That verse is:

:"All along the watchtower, princes kept the view"
:"While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too."
:"Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,"
:"Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl."

Also, if you watch the scene again, the lyrics below happen just as [[Lee]] finds [[Kara]]
:"There are many here among us"
:"Who feel that life is but a joke"
:"But you and I, we've been through that"
:"And this is not our fate"

: Maybe these verses will be heard in Season 4? (Which would, in all honesty, make sense if RDM wanted to use all the lyrics.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 05:45, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

::Damn. Now I'll have to download this episode and tear it apart. Interesting find. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

==iTunes==

Are they goint to put this on iTunes anytime soon?--[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 00:03, 16 April 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378
: It won't come out until the soundtrack does, which is sometime in August. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 00:11, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

==Possible origin==
According to the [[podcast:Revelations|Revelations podcast]], the rhythm of the Colonial emergency locator beacon signal detected by [[Starbuck's Viper]] matched the tune of the Music. The Final Four first started hearing the music soon before Starbuck arrived in her Viper, and when the Four started hearing the Music in Revelations they were drawn towards the Viper. I suspect that the Viper is broadcasting or relaying a signal which causes the Music to be heard, is there enough evidence to warrent including this theory in the article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 03:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
: Seems like it would be warranted... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

==Copyvio concern==
On the main Wikipedia, posting of copyrighted lyrics as has been done here is forbidden and such material is supposed to be taken down on sight. I don't know if the Battlestar Wiki works by different rules, but I'm uncomfortable having the lyrics to the song posted here, since they are copyright. Discussion of any changes made in the BSG context are fine, but especially now that the "real world" version of the song has become part of the canon via Daybreak, this might be asking for trouble. I'll defer to an admin or more experienced Battlestar Wiki editor on this. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 13:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

==Weezer==
Has anyone noticed that the final four theme is a (possibly inadvertent) lift from Weezer's "Beverly Hills"? In particular, interval sequence

*Descending minor second
*Descending major third
*Ascending perfect fourth
*Descending minor second
*Descending major third

Shows up with the lyrics "Living in Beverly". There it's A#, A, F, A#, A, F. In the final five theme it's A, G#, E, A, G#, E (a half step flatter). Is this worth mentioning?

--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

:If I were a copyright attorney, I would. Could it be more coincidental, or an homage of some kind to the song, or allusion? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Delta 088

2009-06-27T21:38:29Z

Spencerian: Welcome to Battlestar Wiki!

User talk:Jellybean

2009-06-27T21:37:25Z

Spencerian: Welcome to Battlestar Wiki!