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Talk:Daybreak, Part I/Archive 1

2009-04-15T08:26:04Z

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==Title==
''Daybreak, Part 1'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

==Story note incorrect==
The spoiler story note is incorrect as it does not happen in this episode. It should be moved to the article for Part II once this article is unlocked. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 04:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== Driving while intoxicated ==

I am wondering about the recurring reference to driving while intoxicated in this episode. C6 asked Balter if he often drinks and drives to which he replies, "I drink... he drives," while pointing at the unseen limo driver. Roslin's family is killed by a drunk driver in a later scene. Will the driver be someone we know? Probably not since there is really no time to explore this (maybe in "The Plan" if that indeed is going to air.) Not a big deal in the scheme of things, but it is curious that this pops up twice.

Also, when Lee got home did he drive home drunk? I wonder if it turns out that Adama was arrested for DUI and now must attend alcohol counseling or some such? Pure speculation, and probably not of consequence.

*Neither theory is likely, as the effects from such an event would have been apparent, even in the brief set of flashbacks seen from the characters. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 1528 - 16 March, 2009 (EST)

== Cleanup of Questions Section ==

Per the [[BW:SAC]] project on questions, questions are not supposed to have bullet points... just questions and linked to the episode that they belong to. No theory should be placed in these sections. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 12:22, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

== Julius -- dead? ==

I found Caprica-Six's comment "He seemed happy when I saw him last" (or however the line actually reads) to be somewhat ominous. Am I the only one that thinks she may have killed him rather than put him in the home?
--[[User:Vodou|Vodou]] 17:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:That would not serve her purpose and would be easy to discover. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think that rather depends on her purpose. If she was getting rid of Julius so she could be near Baltar w/o interference, then Julius might be dead. And given the hatred Gaius demonstrated for his father, what are the odds he'd ever check up on her story?

::(Of course I'm quite willing to concede that I may be wrong.)

::--[[User:Vodou|Vodou]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I agree, it ''is'' ominous. It can't be taken in reference to the imminent [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] because it is obvious the scene takes place at least several months earlier. Maybe she was freeing Baltar of the burden and telling him a story to ease the pain. She wanted Baltar to respect his father and this story would help. This was not answered in the series, so will only be mentionable in the article (beyond Questions section) if it is officially discussed by the creators in the future. Good discussion topic! --[[User:Xlynx|xlynx]] 12:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

::I think the point of the Julius-related flashbacks was to show that even in her genocidal days, Caprica Six was able to generate more compassion for Baltar's father than self-centred Baltar himself could. The weight on "the last time I saw him" just indicates she has seen him more than once, reinforcing that they have developed something of a friendship, which we saw hints of with the instant rapport they developed when they first met.--[[User:Hylas|Hylas]] 15:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Who are Sandra and Cheryl? ==

Are they Roslin's sisters? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. They were first seen in the initial flashback (one was pregnant). This is clarified in a later scene in that flashback when police come to Laura's home to tell her that her sisters and father were killed by a drunk driver. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::Indeed. The captions confirm it. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Dialogue slip? ==

In one of the flashback scenes I heard Baltar say "fuck" rather than "frak". I watched the episode online since I don't have cable -- so was it the same with the on-air version? Has anyone else noticed this?--[[User:Space Travel|Space Travel]] 08:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Memorial hallway

2009-04-13T18:45:26Z

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[[Image:Memorialhall1.jpg|right|thumb|[[Dualla]] as she enters the memorial hallway.]]
[[Image:Maelstrom memorial hallway.jpg|thumb|right|Lee Adama and Kara Thrace in the hallway ([[Maelstrom]]).]]

The '''memorial hallway'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> was created by the crew of ''[[Galactica]]'' to aid the [[The Fleet (RDM)|survivors of humanity]] to find any loved ones who may have been rescued from the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon destruction of the Colonies]] and were lucky to find themselves on one of the many ships in the battlestar's care.

Five days after the Fleet's [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|escape from Ragnar]], Specialist [[Socinus]] and other crew are gathering a [[Fleet registry|record of surviving colonists]] for the new [[Government of the Twelve Colonies|Colonial government]], but cannot upload photos to the database (or possibly to other ships) at that moment. When [[Anastasia Dualla]] offers her photos to Socinus, he suggests to leave the photo with his group or to place it outside in one of ''Galactica's'' hallways. Opting for the latter, Dualla encounters hundreds of photos, newspaper clippings, drawings, and other mementos of loved ones presumed lost or missing in the new Cylon war ([[33]]).<ref>It is not known how, cinematically, the wall was created, but a popular guess is that the many photos are the anonymous contributions of the show's cast and crew.</ref>

Despite the Fleet registry's completion, the memorial has remained and is periodically updated and visited by many as a personal shrine. Crewmembers and civilians can often been seen praying there, lighting candles and mourning the dead. With no possibility of visiting their dead in cemetaries, the Memorial Hallway serves as a cenotaph or "Yahrtzeit wall" for Colonials and their newly-mortal Cylon allies alike.

[[Louanne Katraine]] adds a picture of [[Reilly]]'s [[Reilly's girlfriend|girlfriend]] to the hallway in hopes that she will not be forgotten as quickly as the pilot ([[Scar]]). Over a year later, [[Kara Thrace]] adds Katraine's photo to the wall beneath Katraine's addition, after Katraine succumbs to radiation poisoning ([[The Passage]]). Following a promise made by [[Lee Adama]] to Kara Thrace prior to her death ([[Maelstrom]]), he places a photo of her on the wall, near Katraine's photo ([[The Son Also Rises]]).

Since joining the fleet, Rebel Cylons have also been witnessed placing images and pictures of fallen comrades on the memorial wall. Most notably on the wall are an image of [[Natalie]], as well as images of two unnamed Eights, a Six and a Two. At least one of the images seems to be a Colonial Identification card. President Roslin and Admiral Adama's discovery of the Cylons' adoption of the practice cements their realization that the two societies' integration is a fait d'accompli irrespective of their own ambivalence.

In addition to the memorial hallway, the Viper pilots on ''Galactica'' have a [[Lest We Forget|special picture in their ready room]] that they touch as they exit as a memorial to other fallen comrades; a copy of the same photograph hangs on the bulkhead of President Roslin's office aboard Colonial One ([[33]]).

==Notes==
*The storyline of the [[Re-imagined Series]] was heavily influenced by the tone of the [[w:September 11, 2001|2001 terrorist attacks in New York]].
**In the early days of this event, fences and sign posts in the area around the site of the attacks were covered by pictures of missing people by the citizens to ask help in finding their loved ones. As the rescue attempts at "Ground Zero" turned into recovery efforts, these many signs became makeshift memorials. The ''Galactica'' memorial hallway was apparently intended as an poignant allegory to these tributes.
**The terrorist attacks not only influenced the series, but created delays that led to the premature demise of [[SDS|an earlier planned ''Battlestar Galactica'' continuation]] in preproduction that same year.
*Similar memorials are created after many large catastrophes in the world, such as the [[w:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake|2004 Indian Ocean tsunami]].

== Additional pictures ==
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Image:Memorial2.jpg|Closeup ([[33]]).
Image:Memorial3.jpg|Closeup (33).
Image:Memorial6.jpg|Kara Thrace and a mourning crewman at the memorial ([[The Passage]]).
Image:Memorial5.jpg|Kat putting up the picture of Reilly's girlfriend ([[Scar]]).
Image:Memorial7.jpg|Kat with mourning crewmember in the background (Scar).
Image:Memorial8.jpg|Kat's picture is added after her death (The Passage).
Image:Memorial9.jpg|Closeup (The Passage).
Image:AdrienBauer.jpg|Baltar holding a picture of his [[Adrien Bauer|former assistant]] ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).
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Talk:The Swirl and Twist/Archive 1

2009-04-13T18:34:01Z

Space Travel: Created page with 'Regardless of Wiki conventions, I've changed "Tigh" to "Ellen" on this page, because the way it was before gave me the impression that it was about the ''other'' Tigh, which is j...'

Regardless of Wiki conventions, I've changed "Tigh" to "Ellen" on this page, because the way it was before gave me the impression that it was about the ''other'' Tigh, which is just kind of wrong...--[[User:Space Travel|Space Travel]] 18:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The Swirl and Twist

2009-04-13T18:32:38Z

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'''The ''Swirl'' and ''Twist''''' are sexual maneuvers that [[Ellen Tigh]] specialized in.

Ellen and a [[Cavil]] mention them briefly after a sexual interlude ([[Precipice]]).

Later, a revived Ellen (now recalling her [[Final Five|true involvement with the Cylons]]), asks [[Sharon Valerii]] of her relationship with the [[Number One]] individual Ellen calls "John," asking her if John taught her about the Swirl in an attempt to belittle John and his anger ([[No Exit]]).

==Notes==

In the podcast for "Precipice", [[Ronald D. Moore]] states that references to "The Twist" and "The Swirl" are a homage to a ''[[Wikipedia:Seinfeld |Seinfeld]]'' episode, "[[Wikipedia:The Fusilli Jerry |The Fusilli Jerry]]."

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Valley of Darkness

2007-03-25T06:21:55Z

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{{Episode Data
| image =Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg
| title=Valley of Darkness
| series=
| season=2
| episode=2
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] <br/> [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| goof=Y
| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=202
| rating= 2.0
| US airdate=2005-07-22
| UK airdate=2006-01-17
| dvd= {{Season 2.0 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US'''<br/>{{Season 2 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| podcast = Y
| population= 47874
| oldpopulation= 47875
| prev=[[Scattered]]
| next=[[Fragged]]
}}

== Overview ==

: ''After rediscovering [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]], [[Cylon Centurion]]s board ''[[Galactica]]'' and wreak havoc, while [[Lee Adama]] and a rag-tag group of pilots and marines attempt to thwart the Cylon's methodical plans.''

== Summary ==

===On ''Galactica''===

* After [[FTL|jumping]] successfully to the Fleet's location once [[Scattered|rediscovering their actual location]], ''Galactica'''s power systems shut down unexpectedly.
* After landing on ''Galactica'', pilots [[Lee Adama]], [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]], [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]], and [[Flyboy]] walk through the corridors with flashlights. Flyboy stumbles into a Cylon Centurion, which kills him as the rest attempt to flee.
* As Hot Dog and Kat flee up a stairway, Adama attempts to kill the Cylon with his sidearm, but the bullets ricochet off the Centurion. A small group of [[marines]] destroy the Cylon from behind with an explosive round. Unfortunately, it was their last round, and only explosive rounds work against this heavily-armored version of Centurion.
* [[Laura Roslin]] convinces Corporal [[Venner]] that she must leave her cell and escape the brig before the Cylons find them. On Captain Adama's advice, Venner leads the group to the safest location on the ship, [[sickbay]].
* Adama's group finds the storage locker on deck 12. Inside, they find [[Jammer]] (a member of [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s repair crew) and only six explosive rounds.
* Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] manages to warn the remainder of the Fleet to stay away from ''Galactica'' by [[wireless]] before the Cylons jam external communications.
*Gaeta notes a [[Virus|Cylon virus]] has infected some of the ship's isolated computers while they were networked; he has teams cleaning out the infection.
* Roslin's group find the bodies of some of ''Galactica'''s enlisted crew, massacred by the Cylons except for one survivor: a shell-shocked [[Anastasia Dualla]]. As Billy tries to snap Dualla out of her shock, Venner discovers that the Cylons have depressurised the route they had planned to take to sickbay. The group, now with Dualla, heads out along an alternative route that goes past [[Aft Damage Control]].
* Tigh gets reports that some of the Cylons have been taken out by teams throughout the ship. He suspects that the Cylons are heading towards two sections of the ship -- one of which is Aft Damage Control -- in order to vent the ship's atmosphere. (After the ship is vented and the crew terminated, Tigh states that the Cylons would turn ''Galactica's'' guns on the Fleet.)
* Captain Adama contacts [[CIC]], where Tigh orders him to stop the Cylons at Aft Damage Control and prevent the Cylons from overriding the venting safeguards.
* Captain Adama, Jammer, Kat, and two marines station themselves near the Aft Damage Control compartment. As they ready the defense against the advancing Cylons, Roslin's group hides in a nearby passageway to avoid being discovered, unaware of how close their group is to Adama's squad and the Cylons. The Cylons run down a hallway towards [[Aft Damage Control]], but are distracted when Keikeya accidentally fires a round. The distraction places Roslin's group in danger but gives Adama and his team enough time to destroy the Cylon attackers.
*Having successfully destroyed the Cylons and with sufficient ship control restored, Doctor [[Cottle]] is summoned to ''Galactica''. In sickbay, Roslin assures Lee Adama that [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] will be fine, and she is taken back to the brig. Tigh tells Captain Adama that he is still shocked that he would side with the President instead of his own father, and that he is unfit to wear a [[Colonial]] uniform. Captain Adama agrees but tells Tigh that he isn't fit to wear the uniform either, deferring what will happen with both of them to his unconscious father once he returns to work.

===On Caprica===
*[[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] and [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] discuss how the Cylons have a habit of fooling everyone.
*Thrace leads them to her old apartment in Delphi.
*Thrace reminisces about how she hated the apartment. While everyone has been trying to gain back what was lost after the Cylon attack, Thrace wasn't attached to her apartment. The only thing she did was to fight, because it's the only thing she knows.
*To Helo's surprise, Thrace's apartment is full of abstract paintings, including one with a [[Eye of Jupiter|curious circular symbol]], a [[Starbuck's Poem|poem]] written next to the symbol, and tapes of piano music composed by her father. Unfortunately, there is no food.
*The two exhausted Colonials take a rest. Thrace dons an old military jacket.
*A short time later, Thrace searches the old jacket and finds a set of vehicle keys. "Tired of walking?" she says.
*Helo and Thrace leave driving her old army truck, with the [[Arrow of Apollo]] in possession.

===On Kobol===
*[[Gaius Baltar]] has a dream where [[William Adama]] drowns Baltar's daughter.
*When he wakes up, he is in [[Number Six]]'s arms, surrounded by human skulls and bones. Six tells Baltar that they were victims of human sacrifice, and that the [[Sacred_Scrolls|Scriptures]] were lies, fabricated to cover up how barbaric life on Kobol really was.
*When he returns to the others, Baltar is harangued by [[Crashdown]].
*[[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] feels responsible for [[Tarn]]'s death, but [[Cally]] snaps him out of his self-pity.
*The two return with the medkits, but it is too late to save [[Socinus]]' life. Telling him that he is going home, Tyrol reluctantly euthanizes him with an overdose of [[morpha]].

== Questions ==
*The remains Baltar and Six find cannot be thousands of years old; they would not have survived in the open. Did the [[Thirteenth Tribe]] leave Kobol recently? Do humans, at least until recently, still inhabit Kobol? Or were all the remains merely fabricated hallucinations by Six?
*Were the human skeletons real, or a hallucination created for Baltar by Six? If the skeletons ''were'' real, was Six lying when she said they were the result of human sacrifice (i.e. they could have been from the cataclysm that drove humanity off of Kobol)?
:When [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Human sacrifice|asked about this]] episode writer [[Bradley Thompson]] answered: "The question at the bottom of this is: "Who is Six?" In such cases, I'm not going to embellish what Ron & David have put on the screen."
*Why would later humans have felt it necessary to cover up the nature of civilization on Kobol? Is it related to the reason why Kobol was abandoned in the first place? How would the Cylons have found out? Did Six just make it up, or could it be the Cylon interpretation of the Scriptures?

== Analysis ==
*The Centurions in this episode can only be destroyed by explosive rounds, which is a large plot element. However, in episodes before and after "Valley of Darkness", Centurions have been seen being destroyed by regular bullets. These Centurions might have heavier armor because they are being used for a boarding action and will see heavy fighting. When episode writer Bradley Thompson was [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Centurion armor|asked]] about this by BattlestarWiki, he answered:
:"Centurions are constantly being upgraded - new ones come out with better armor, quieter servos, better battle software. Some are designed for different uses (the ones designed for submarine use have REALLY heavy armor but are exceptionally slow, and have reduced ammunition carrying capacity.) Not to mention that the Colonials have remarkably bright backyard engineers -- they've been hot-loading our small-arms rounds, coming up with better armor-piercing projectiles -- it's the constant ebb-and-flow of wartime technology."

*The Colonials use internal combustion engines (Starbuck's Humvee. Also previously seen in "[[Act of Contrition]]"). Assuming that it was the colonists that brought organic life along with them to the Twelve Colonies -- as Kobol's wildlife (birds and trees and such) is identical to Caprica's -- the engines may not burn fossil fuels, though, since the Kobol's refugees arrived on the Colonies only thousands of years rather than the millions of years it takes for fossil fuels to form. However, Kobol's life forms could also simply have replaced or supplemented less evolved or less strong life forms on the Colonial planets, as happened several times on Earth where non-indigenous life forms can wreak havoc on a local ecosystem. Or the local life forms may have died out through a catastrophic event. Both scenarios leave enough time for original life forms to be turned into fossil fuels.

== Notes ==
*The title refers to the well-known Psalm 23 from the bible.
*The fleet population cited in the opening credits is 47,874. This is one less than the previous episode—prior to the opening credits, a Cylon kills [[Flyboy]]
*First episode without an appearance by [[Sharon Valerii]] (except in opening montage).
*Helo reveals to Starbuck that the Cylons recovered the bodies and brought them to cremation centers, hence the lack of bodies.
*Socinus, initially slated to die in early drafts of "[[Scattered]]", dies in this episode -- euthanised by Tyrol.
* [[Kate Vernon]] is listed as a guest star in the opening credits. However, her character, [[Ellen Tigh]], never makes an appearance in this episode. She is only shown in the deleted scenes.
* The music that we hear in Kara Thrace's apartment and again during the closing act of the episode is ''Metamorphosis Five'', composed by [[w:Philip Glass|Philip Glass]]. It is from Glass's 1989 album ''Solo Piano''.
*The fate of the Heavy Raider in the starboard bay is unknown. It's possible that, like Starbuck's captured Raider, they kept it for study. However, the crash may have damaged it beyond repair.
*In the German broadcast redubbing of Cally's now-infamous "Talk to me, you motherfrakker!" line, "motherfrakker" is replaced with "blöder arsch", which translates as "stupid ass". The real world equivalent of the curse word "motherfrakker" doesn't really exist in German, and a direct translation into German would have sounded particularly obscene, so the line was changed, and the joke is therefore somewhat lost in translation.
*The apartment complex used in this episode is later reused as the prison-apartment on [[New Caprica]] in which [[Leoben Conoy]] holds Starbuck captive at the start of the third season ("[[Occupation]]" through "[[Exodus, Part II]]").
*The sun painting on the wall in Starbuck's apartment is later revealed to be a representation of the [[Eye of Jupiter]] subconsciously painted by Starbuck.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''On the surface of Kobol, Chief Tyrol and Cally are on their way to rendezvous with the rest of the Raptor crash survivors:''
:'''Cally:''' (exhausted from walking) What do you say we take five?
:(Chief Tyrol is still in a state of shock from having lost Tarn to a surprise attack by the Cylons and leans against a tree)
:'''Cally:''' How much further, do you think?
:(Chief Tyrol ignores her)
:'''Cally:''' [[Tarn]] getting shot...it wasn't your fault, you know that right?... Chief?
:(Chief Tyrol is silent)
:'''Cally:''' Talk to me, you mother[[frak]]ker!
:(Chief Tyrol turns around and looks at her strangely)
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' (laughing) Motherfrakker?
:'''Cally:''' Socinus better appreciate this.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' He's probably lying in the sun, staring up at the birds like some Gods' damned emperor. He's an idiot.
:'''Cally:''' I hope he's okay... — {{audio|VOD - motherfrakker.mp3|listen}}

* ''Regarding [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|"Sharon, the Cylon"]]:''
:'''Starbuck:''' (to Helo, sarcastically) Your girlfriend’s from a ''lovely'' family, good people, great values. — {{audio|VOD - great family values.mp3|listen}}

* ''In her apartment on Caprica, Starbuck and Helo stop to rest:''
:'''Kara Thrace:''' (sitting on her couch) You know, I never really liked this place anyway. Air conditioning doesn't work in the summer. Heater doesn't work in the winter. The rent's a crime...(lights a cigarette)...After they attacked, I never pined over any of my old crap. Never missed it. Stupid view of the parking lot. Broken toilet in the bathroom...You know, everyone I know is fighting to get back what they had. I'm fighting because I don't know how to do anything else. — {{audio|VOD - why people fight.mp3|listen}}

*''Speaking to Marines:''
:'''Lee Adama''': "Let’s go [[toaster]] shopping." — {{audio|VOD - toaster shopping.mp3|listen}}

* ''Chief Tyrol and Cally have rejoined the others on Kobol, and they find out that Socinus isn't going to survive much longer:''
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' How's he doing?
:'''Selix:''' He's not going to make it.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' What? What do you mean? What are you talking about? We got the medkit! Give him a shot! Give him another shot!
:'''Selix:''' It's too late.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' What do you mean, it's too late? I got you the medkit! What else do you want? (looking stunned) So we...got the medicine you asked for...Tarn...and for what? For this? Come on! You have to do something. You have to do something!
:'''Selix:''' We can't change that he's going to die, Chief. It's going to be slow and painful, and we can spare him that if we give him the morpha from my kit and the one that you brought back.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' What? No. (looks at Crashdown) LT..LT, come on!
:'''Crashdown:''' He's your man, Chief.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' Give it to me. (takes morpha from Selix and leans down beside Socinus) Hey buddy. It's the Chief. How you doing?
:'''Socinus:''' (wheezing) What's going on?
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' Oh, you know...listening to the birds. I got you a little something for the pain. (injects morpha into Socinus) Good news, buddy. The recovery party's here. Raptors just landed. We're going to put you on one and take you back to ''Galactica'', okay?
:'''Socinus:''' We're going home?
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' Yeah...(tears welling in his eyes)...we're going home.
:(Socinus passes away) — {{audio|VOD_-_Socinus'_death.mp3|listen}}

* ''In ''Galactica's'' sickbay:''
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' I can't believe you sided with that woman against [[The Old Man|the old man]]. I wouldn't do that if you put a gun to my head...[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|and you did]]! As far as I'm concerned, you're not fit to wear a uniform.
:'''Lee Adama:''' Huh. You're right about that part. I am not fit to wear the uniform...and maybe I never was. Then again, neither are you. But this isn't my ship, and it sure as hell isn't yours. (motions at Commander Adama) It's his, and when he wakes up, he'll decide what to do with the both of us. (Captain Adama leaves for the brig)
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' Thank the Gods I didn't have kids. — {{audio|VOD - not fit to wear the uniform.mp3|listen}}

* ''In Aft Damage Control, preparing to fight the Cylons:''
:'''Lee Adama''': Sometimes you got to roll a hard six.
:'''[[Jammer]]''': What does that mean, sir?
:'''Lee Adama''': Uh, I don't know. It's something my [[William Adama|dad]] says. — {{audio|VOD - roll the hard six.mp3|listen}}

== Official Statements ==




=== From RDM's blog ===

* "We've almost completed shooting the opening of Season Two, with [[Michael Rymer]] back at the helm filming a two-parter written by [[David Weddle]] & [[Bradley Thompson]] called '[[Scattered]]' and '[[Valley of Darkness]].' Things have been going well so far, with a good mood on the set and a feeling of satisfaction and pride running through the whole team at their accomplishments in year one and anticipation for year two."<ref name="blog-4-11-05">{{cite web|url=http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/|title=Battlestar Galactica: April 2005 Blog Archives|author=Ron D. Moore|date=April 11, 2005}}</ref>

* ''"[[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s betrayal of [[William Adama|Adama]]'s decision to arrest the [[Laura Roslin|president]] is detracting from the believability of the show for me. I'm listining to your [[podcast]] of [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|ep. 113]] as I write this and you just said Lee is "a more capable, more competent, leader . . ." He's also struck me as a fairly honorable character. If he had doubts about this mission I think he would have at least voiced them and then not gone along with the strike team so he would not have been put in the position he was. I hope you won't use Adama's near death experience at the end of season one/start of season two to "write off" these betrayals, esp. Apollo's. His was much more unforgivable considering his relationship with Adama, his leadership role in the fleet, and the battle between the president and Adama. I find it hard to see Lee continuing as [[CAG]] after this. "''

: You bring up valid points and we are planning to play out the consequences of Lee's decision as it impacts both him and his father over the course of the season.<ref name="blog-4-11-05"/>

== Guest stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Alonso Oyarzun]] as Specialist [[Socinus]]
*[[Kerry Norton]] as Paramedic [[Layne Ishay]]
*[[Chris Shields]] as Corporal [[Venner]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
*[[Jennifer Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
*[[Michael Tayles]] as [[Flyboy]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]]
*[[Garvin Cross]] as [[Collishaw]]
*[[Brad Loree]] as [[Bonnington]]
*[[Lori Stewart]] as [[Twinam]]

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Valley of Darkness

2007-03-25T06:21:35Z

Space Travel: /* Analysis */

{{Episode Data
| image =Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg
| title=Valley of Darkness
| series=
| season=2
| episode=2
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] <br/> [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| goof=Y
| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=202
| rating= 2.0
| US airdate=2005-07-22
| UK airdate=2006-01-17
| dvd= {{Season 2.0 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US'''<br/>{{Season 2 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| podcast = Y
| population= 47874
| oldpopulation= 47875
| prev=[[Scattered]]
| next=[[Fragged]]
}}

== Overview ==

: ''After rediscovering [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]], [[Cylon Centurion]]s board ''[[Galactica]]'' and wreak havoc, while [[Lee Adama]] and a rag-tag group of pilots and marines attempt to thwart the Cylon's methodical plans.''

== Summary ==

===On ''Galactica''===

* After [[FTL|jumping]] successfully to the Fleet's location once [[Scattered|rediscovering their actual location]], ''Galactica'''s power systems shut down unexpectedly.
* After landing on ''Galactica'', pilots [[Lee Adama]], [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]], [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]], and [[Flyboy]] walk through the corridors with flashlights. Flyboy stumbles into a Cylon Centurion, which kills him as the rest attempt to flee.
* As Hot Dog and Kat flee up a stairway, Adama attempts to kill the Cylon with his sidearm, but the bullets ricochet off the Centurion. A small group of [[marines]] destroy the Cylon from behind with an explosive round. Unfortunately, it was their last round, and only explosive rounds work against this heavily-armored version of Centurion.
* [[Laura Roslin]] convinces Corporal [[Venner]] that she must leave her cell and escape the brig before the Cylons find them. On Captain Adama's advice, Venner leads the group to the safest location on the ship, [[sickbay]].
* Adama's group finds the storage locker on deck 12. Inside, they find [[Jammer]] (a member of [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s repair crew) and only six explosive rounds.
* Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] manages to warn the remainder of the Fleet to stay away from ''Galactica'' by [[wireless]] before the Cylons jam external communications.
*Gaeta notes a [[Virus|Cylon virus]] has infected some of the ship's isolated computers while they were networked; he has teams cleaning out the infection.
* Roslin's group find the bodies of some of ''Galactica'''s enlisted crew, massacred by the Cylons except for one survivor: a shell-shocked [[Anastasia Dualla]]. As Billy tries to snap Dualla out of her shock, Venner discovers that the Cylons have depressurised the route they had planned to take to sickbay. The group, now with Dualla, heads out along an alternative route that goes past [[Aft Damage Control]].
* Tigh gets reports that some of the Cylons have been taken out by teams throughout the ship. He suspects that the Cylons are heading towards two sections of the ship -- one of which is Aft Damage Control -- in order to vent the ship's atmosphere. (After the ship is vented and the crew terminated, Tigh states that the Cylons would turn ''Galactica's'' guns on the Fleet.)
* Captain Adama contacts [[CIC]], where Tigh orders him to stop the Cylons at Aft Damage Control and prevent the Cylons from overriding the venting safeguards.
* Captain Adama, Jammer, Kat, and two marines station themselves near the Aft Damage Control compartment. As they ready the defense against the advancing Cylons, Roslin's group hides in a nearby passageway to avoid being discovered, unaware of how close their group is to Adama's squad and the Cylons. The Cylons run down a hallway towards [[Aft Damage Control]], but are distracted when Keikeya accidentally fires a round. The distraction places Roslin's group in danger but gives Adama and his team enough time to destroy the Cylon attackers.
*Having successfully destroyed the Cylons and with sufficient ship control restored, Doctor [[Cottle]] is summoned to ''Galactica''. In sickbay, Roslin assures Lee Adama that [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] will be fine, and she is taken back to the brig. Tigh tells Captain Adama that he is still shocked that he would side with the President instead of his own father, and that he is unfit to wear a [[Colonial]] uniform. Captain Adama agrees but tells Tigh that he isn't fit to wear the uniform either, deferring what will happen with both of them to his unconscious father once he returns to work.

===On Caprica===
*[[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] and [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] discuss how the Cylons have a habit of fooling everyone.
*Thrace leads them to her old apartment in Delphi.
*Thrace reminisces about how she hated the apartment. While everyone has been trying to gain back what was lost after the Cylon attack, Thrace wasn't attached to her apartment. The only thing she did was to fight, because it's the only thing she knows.
*To Helo's surprise, Thrace's apartment is full of abstract paintings, including one with a [[Eye of Jupiter|curious circular symbol]], a [[Starbuck's Poem|poem]] written next to the symbol, and tapes of piano music composed by her father. Unfortunately, there is no food.
*The two exhausted Colonials take a rest. Thrace dons an old military jacket.
*A short time later, Thrace searches the old jacket and finds a set of vehicle keys. "Tired of walking?" she says.
*Helo and Thrace leave driving her old army truck, with the [[Arrow of Apollo]] in possession.

===On Kobol===
*[[Gaius Baltar]] has a dream where [[William Adama]] drowns Baltar's daughter.
*When he wakes up, he is in [[Number Six]]'s arms, surrounded by human skulls and bones. Six tells Baltar that they were victims of human sacrifice, and that the [[Sacred_Scrolls|Scriptures]] were lies, fabricated to cover up how barbaric life on Kobol really was.
*When he returns to the others, Baltar is harangued by [[Crashdown]].
*[[Galen Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] feels responsible for [[Tarn]]'s death, but [[Cally]] snaps him out of his self-pity.
*The two return with the medkits, but it is too late to save [[Socinus]]' life. Telling him that he is going home, Tyrol reluctantly euthanizes him with an overdose of [[morpha]].

== Questions ==
*The remains Baltar and Six find cannot be thousands of years old; they would not have survived in the open. Did the [[Thirteenth Tribe]] leave Kobol recently? Do humans, at least until recently, still inhabit Kobol? Or were all the remains merely fabricated hallucinations by Six?
*Were the human skeletons real, or a hallucination created for Baltar by Six? If the skeletons ''were'' real, was Six lying when she said they were the result of human sacrifice (i.e. they could have been from the cataclysm that drove humanity off of Kobol)?
:When [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Human sacrifice|asked about this]] episode writer [[Bradley Thompson]] answered: "The question at the bottom of this is: "Who is Six?" In such cases, I'm not going to embellish what Ron & David have put on the screen."
*Why would later humans have felt it necessary to cover up the nature of civilization on Kobol? Is it related to the reason why Kobol was abandoned in the first place? How would the Cylons have found out? Did Six just make it up, or could it be the Cylon interpretation of the Scriptures?

== Analysis ==
*The Centurions in this episode can only be destroyed by explosive rounds, which is a large plot element. However, in episodes before and after "Valley of Darkness", Centurions have been seen being destroyed by regular bullets. These Centurions might have heavier armor because they are being used for a boarding action and will see heavy fighting. When episode writer Bradley Thompson was [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Centurion armor|asked]] about this by BattlestarWiki, he answered:
:"Centurions are constantly being upgraded - new ones come out with better armor, quieter servos, better battle software. Some are designed for different uses (the ones designed for submarine use have REALLY heavy armor but are exceptionally slow, and have reduced ammunition carrying capacity.) Not to mention that the Colonials have remarkably bright backyard engineers -- they've been hot-loading our small-arms rounds, coming up with better armor-piercing projectiles -- it's the constant ebb-and-flow of wartime technology."

*The Colonials use internal combustion engines (Starbuck's Humvee. Also previously seen in "[[Act of Contrition]]"). Assuming that it was the colonists that brought organic life along with them to the Twelve Colonies -- as Kobol's wildlife (birds and trees and such) is identical to Caprica's -- the engines may not burn fossil fuels, though, since the Kobol's refugees arrived on the Colonies only thousands of years rather than the millions of years it takes for fossil fuels to form. However, Kobol's life forms could also simply have replaced or supplemented less evolved or less strong life forms on the Colonial planets, as happened several times on Earth where non-indigenous life forms can wreak havoc on a local ecosystem. Or the local life forms may have died out through a catastrophic event. Both scenarios leave enough time for original life forms to be turned into fossil fuels.

== Notes ==
*The title refers the well-known Psalm 23 from the bible.
*The fleet population cited in the opening credits is 47,874. This is one less than the previous episode—prior to the opening credits, a Cylon kills [[Flyboy]]
*First episode without an appearance by [[Sharon Valerii]] (except in opening montage).
*Helo reveals to Starbuck that the Cylons recovered the bodies and brought them to cremation centers, hence the lack of bodies.
*Socinus, initially slated to die in early drafts of "[[Scattered]]", dies in this episode -- euthanised by Tyrol.
* [[Kate Vernon]] is listed as a guest star in the opening credits. However, her character, [[Ellen Tigh]], never makes an appearance in this episode. She is only shown in the deleted scenes.
* The music that we hear in Kara Thrace's apartment and again during the closing act of the episode is ''Metamorphosis Five'', composed by [[w:Philip Glass|Philip Glass]]. It is from Glass's 1989 album ''Solo Piano''.
*The fate of the Heavy Raider in the starboard bay is unknown. It's possible that, like Starbuck's captured Raider, they kept it for study. However, the crash may have damaged it beyond repair.
*In the German broadcast redubbing of Cally's now-infamous "Talk to me, you motherfrakker!" line, "motherfrakker" is replaced with "blöder arsch", which translates as "stupid ass". The real world equivalent of the curse word "motherfrakker" doesn't really exist in German, and a direct translation into German would have sounded particularly obscene, so the line was changed, and the joke is therefore somewhat lost in translation.
*The apartment complex used in this episode is later reused as the prison-apartment on [[New Caprica]] in which [[Leoben Conoy]] holds Starbuck captive at the start of the third season ("[[Occupation]]" through "[[Exodus, Part II]]").
*The sun painting on the wall in Starbuck's apartment is later revealed to be a representation of the [[Eye of Jupiter]] subconsciously painted by Starbuck.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''On the surface of Kobol, Chief Tyrol and Cally are on their way to rendezvous with the rest of the Raptor crash survivors:''
:'''Cally:''' (exhausted from walking) What do you say we take five?
:(Chief Tyrol is still in a state of shock from having lost Tarn to a surprise attack by the Cylons and leans against a tree)
:'''Cally:''' How much further, do you think?
:(Chief Tyrol ignores her)
:'''Cally:''' [[Tarn]] getting shot...it wasn't your fault, you know that right?... Chief?
:(Chief Tyrol is silent)
:'''Cally:''' Talk to me, you mother[[frak]]ker!
:(Chief Tyrol turns around and looks at her strangely)
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' (laughing) Motherfrakker?
:'''Cally:''' Socinus better appreciate this.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' He's probably lying in the sun, staring up at the birds like some Gods' damned emperor. He's an idiot.
:'''Cally:''' I hope he's okay... — {{audio|VOD - motherfrakker.mp3|listen}}

* ''Regarding [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|"Sharon, the Cylon"]]:''
:'''Starbuck:''' (to Helo, sarcastically) Your girlfriend’s from a ''lovely'' family, good people, great values. — {{audio|VOD - great family values.mp3|listen}}

* ''In her apartment on Caprica, Starbuck and Helo stop to rest:''
:'''Kara Thrace:''' (sitting on her couch) You know, I never really liked this place anyway. Air conditioning doesn't work in the summer. Heater doesn't work in the winter. The rent's a crime...(lights a cigarette)...After they attacked, I never pined over any of my old crap. Never missed it. Stupid view of the parking lot. Broken toilet in the bathroom...You know, everyone I know is fighting to get back what they had. I'm fighting because I don't know how to do anything else. — {{audio|VOD - why people fight.mp3|listen}}

*''Speaking to Marines:''
:'''Lee Adama''': "Let’s go [[toaster]] shopping." — {{audio|VOD - toaster shopping.mp3|listen}}

* ''Chief Tyrol and Cally have rejoined the others on Kobol, and they find out that Socinus isn't going to survive much longer:''
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' How's he doing?
:'''Selix:''' He's not going to make it.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' What? What do you mean? What are you talking about? We got the medkit! Give him a shot! Give him another shot!
:'''Selix:''' It's too late.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' What do you mean, it's too late? I got you the medkit! What else do you want? (looking stunned) So we...got the medicine you asked for...Tarn...and for what? For this? Come on! You have to do something. You have to do something!
:'''Selix:''' We can't change that he's going to die, Chief. It's going to be slow and painful, and we can spare him that if we give him the morpha from my kit and the one that you brought back.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' What? No. (looks at Crashdown) LT..LT, come on!
:'''Crashdown:''' He's your man, Chief.
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' Give it to me. (takes morpha from Selix and leans down beside Socinus) Hey buddy. It's the Chief. How you doing?
:'''Socinus:''' (wheezing) What's going on?
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' Oh, you know...listening to the birds. I got you a little something for the pain. (injects morpha into Socinus) Good news, buddy. The recovery party's here. Raptors just landed. We're going to put you on one and take you back to ''Galactica'', okay?
:'''Socinus:''' We're going home?
:'''Chief Tyrol:''' Yeah...(tears welling in his eyes)...we're going home.
:(Socinus passes away) — {{audio|VOD_-_Socinus'_death.mp3|listen}}

* ''In ''Galactica's'' sickbay:''
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' I can't believe you sided with that woman against [[The Old Man|the old man]]. I wouldn't do that if you put a gun to my head...[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|and you did]]! As far as I'm concerned, you're not fit to wear a uniform.
:'''Lee Adama:''' Huh. You're right about that part. I am not fit to wear the uniform...and maybe I never was. Then again, neither are you. But this isn't my ship, and it sure as hell isn't yours. (motions at Commander Adama) It's his, and when he wakes up, he'll decide what to do with the both of us. (Captain Adama leaves for the brig)
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' Thank the Gods I didn't have kids. — {{audio|VOD - not fit to wear the uniform.mp3|listen}}

* ''In Aft Damage Control, preparing to fight the Cylons:''
:'''Lee Adama''': Sometimes you got to roll a hard six.
:'''[[Jammer]]''': What does that mean, sir?
:'''Lee Adama''': Uh, I don't know. It's something my [[William Adama|dad]] says. — {{audio|VOD - roll the hard six.mp3|listen}}

== Official Statements ==




=== From RDM's blog ===

* "We've almost completed shooting the opening of Season Two, with [[Michael Rymer]] back at the helm filming a two-parter written by [[David Weddle]] & [[Bradley Thompson]] called '[[Scattered]]' and '[[Valley of Darkness]].' Things have been going well so far, with a good mood on the set and a feeling of satisfaction and pride running through the whole team at their accomplishments in year one and anticipation for year two."<ref name="blog-4-11-05">{{cite web|url=http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/|title=Battlestar Galactica: April 2005 Blog Archives|author=Ron D. Moore|date=April 11, 2005}}</ref>

* ''"[[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s betrayal of [[William Adama|Adama]]'s decision to arrest the [[Laura Roslin|president]] is detracting from the believability of the show for me. I'm listining to your [[podcast]] of [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|ep. 113]] as I write this and you just said Lee is "a more capable, more competent, leader . . ." He's also struck me as a fairly honorable character. If he had doubts about this mission I think he would have at least voiced them and then not gone along with the strike team so he would not have been put in the position he was. I hope you won't use Adama's near death experience at the end of season one/start of season two to "write off" these betrayals, esp. Apollo's. His was much more unforgivable considering his relationship with Adama, his leadership role in the fleet, and the battle between the president and Adama. I find it hard to see Lee continuing as [[CAG]] after this. "''

: You bring up valid points and we are planning to play out the consequences of Lee's decision as it impacts both him and his father over the course of the season.<ref name="blog-4-11-05"/>

== Guest stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Alonso Oyarzun]] as Specialist [[Socinus]]
*[[Kerry Norton]] as Paramedic [[Layne Ishay]]
*[[Chris Shields]] as Corporal [[Venner]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Costanza|Brendan "Hot Dog" Costanza]]
*[[Jennifer Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Ty Olsson]] as Captain [[Aaron Kelly]]
*[[Michael Tayles]] as [[Flyboy]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]]
*[[Garvin Cross]] as [[Collishaw]]
*[[Brad Loree]] as [[Bonnington]]
*[[Lori Stewart]] as [[Twinam]]

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Athena (TOS)

2007-02-17T02:20:04Z

Space Travel: /* Notes */

''This article discusses the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] character known as Athena. For information on her [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] counterpart with the pilot callsign of "Athena," see [[Sharon Agathon]].''
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|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]]
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|siblings= [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Zak (TOS)|Zak]] (KIA)
|children=
|marital status= Single
|role= [[Core Command]] Operative, [[Battlestar (TOS)|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]''
|rank= 2nd Lieutenant
|actor= [[Maren Jensen]]
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'''Athena''' is the daughter of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] and sister of [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]]. She serves primarily as an officer in [[Core Command]], manning a [[scanner]].

== Biography ==
=== The Peace Conference ===

Athena flies Adama in a [[shuttle]] from ''[[Atlantia]]'' to [[Galactica (TOS)|''Galactica'']]. She informs her father that ''Galactica'' is on alert, as Apollo's patrol has run into trouble. After the [[Battle of Cimtar|ambush]], ''Galactica'' returns to collect her fighters. Athena rushes into [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck's]] arms. Starbuck is upset that the [[Viper (TOS)|Vipers]] were abandoned by ''Galactica'' during the battle, until Athena tells him that [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|the colonies]] had been destroyed. Starbuck finds Athena later to apologize for how he acted in the landing bay, and points out that they may not have much time to live. Athena says that she cannot commit to a relationship in the midst of all of the chaos. Athena speaks with Adama in his quarters. He tells her about the conditions on [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]], and it is apparent that Adama is humbled by the responsibility that has fallen to him.

=== After the Cylon Attack ===

While on duty in Core Command, Athena checks on Starbuck's status on the flight deck. She catches him in the arms of [[Cassiopeia]] inside one of the [[Launch tubes (TOS)|Launch tubes]]. Infuriated, she activates a steam purge of the tube, burning Starbuck (and causing great discomfort for him during his mission through the [[Straits of Madagon]]).

Athena heads down to the surface of [[Carillon]] to the chancery to spend some time with Starbuck, only to find Cassiopeia there with the same thing in mind. The rivalry between the two has officially begun.

Athena is on duty in Core Command when the [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylon]] [[Battle of Carillon|attack]] begins. She is surprised to see how quickly the Vipers are able to launch, considering that all the pilots were supposed to be at Sire [[Uri]]'s award ceremony ([[Saga of a Star World]]).

[[Image:AthenaLostPlanet1.jpg|thumb|left|Athena in a Viper simulator ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]).]]

Athena prepares the meal at which Apollo announces his intention to be [[seal]]ed to [[Serina]]. Athena gazes longingly at Starbuck, who quickly excuses himself in order to begin preparations for Apollo's bachelor party. Athena is one of the shuttle pilots selected for Viper training when the other [[Warrior]]s develop the mysterious illness. During a training simulation she successfully destroys a [[Raider (TOS)|Raider]], as well as Starbuck. Athena is selected to be Starbuck's wingman during the mission to destroy the Cylon outpost, and he asks that she not shoot him this time. Athena and the other new pilots succeed in their mission, destroying the outpost and securing the medical information needed to combat the illness ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]).

Athena joins the group that goes down to [[Kobol]]. She is overjoyed when Starbuck returns unharmed from his Cylon captivity, and runs into his arms. When the Raiders begin their attack, Athena rushes to a Viper to go fight them. The inexperienced fighters begin to fight the Cylons, and are soon joined by the recently recovered veteran pilots. They successfully fight off the Cylon attack ([[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II]]).

When Starbuck is awarded a dinner reservation aboard the [[Rising Star (TOS)|''Rising Star'']], Athena is disappointed that she cannot join him because she is on duty in Core Command. Adama and [[Tigh (TOS)|Colonel Tigh]] agree to cover her shift, and she happily leaves to join Starbuck. Meanwhile Starbuck has already made other plans, and has begun a date with Cassiopeia. Athena arrives while Cassiopeia is out of the room, and Starbuck manages to secure another private room in order to juggle the two dates. Starbuck seems to pull it off successfully, leaving each of them one of his insignia as a token of his affection. His plan falls apart when the ladies run into each other as they leave, each holding the same token.

[[Image:AthenaGreetingsFromEarth.jpg|thumb|right|Athena teaches a classroom of students ([[Greetings from Earth]]).]]

Athena puts her rivalry with Cassiopeia aside when she calls her up to Core Command. The signals they are receiving from the Recon Viper lead them to believe that Starbuck may be dead. Cassiopeia recognizes the signals as an [[Aerian merchant code]]. This is enough for Adama to call off the order to destroy the Viper, allowing Apollo and Boomer to get to the bottom of the mystery ([[The Long Patrol]]).

Athena is playing a game with [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]] in the [[rejuvenation center]] when the suicide attack Raiders explode against ''Galactica'' cutting the area off from the rest of the ship. Athena and Boxey help tend to the wounded, and are eventually rescued thanks to the efforts of Apollo, Starbuck, and [[Muffit]] ([[Fire in Space]]).

Athena is in charge of a classroom of students when the [[Lunar Avion|Terran Shuttle]] is brought aboard. Students in the class include Boxey and [[Loma]] ([[Greetings from Earth]]).

== Notes ==

*The name [[Wikipedia:Athena|Athena]] was based on a goddess from [[Greek Gods|Greek mythology]] who was identified by the Romans as [[Wikipedia:Minerva|Minerva]], also known as [[Wikipedia:Athene|Athene]].

*In [[The Long Patrol]], a [[:Image:PersonnelStatus.jpg|computer readout]] lists Athena as a lieutenant. Though this could be correct, however it did not specify if her ranking was either that of a warrior or of a naval nature. While this may well have been a slight on the writers' parts, it is considered to be her rank -- in the Colonial Armed Forces. If we are correct in the equivalancy of the ranks, the lieutenant ranking would very well be consistent with her naval ranking of ensign as well.

*The character of Athena was, at least originally, equal in part to [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]], however it was clearly apparent that the actress hired (Ms. Jensen) was incapable of acting to the extent of the male leads, [[Richard Hatch]] and [[Dirk Benedict]]. It should be noted though that her performances did improve over time, due to the presence of an acting coach on-set, however her character was scaled back until she disappeared entirely after her piteous "teaching stint" in "[[Greetings from Earth]]."

*The character of Athena is one of a handful of Original Series characters who do not initially share a parallel character in the [[Re-imagined Series]] in seasons 1 and 2. In season 3, Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] gives [[Sharon Agathon]], a former [[Humanoid Cylon]] who he confides in as a father would to a daughter, a Colonial officer's commission. Her fellow pilots suggest a handful of humorous and affectionate callsigns, but settle on the name "Athena" ([[Torn]]).

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Battlestar Galactica (TRS)

2007-02-17T02:04:56Z

Space Travel: /* Series development */

<blockquote>''This article refers to the 2003 re-imagined version of ''Battlestar Galactica''. For information on the 1978 Original Series, see [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)]].</blockquote>

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[[Image:Image lg bgcast.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Some of the central cast of the new "Battlestar Galactica" series.]]

==Summary==
The 2003 [[Miniseries]] debut of '''''Battlestar Galactica''''' was a "[[Wikipedia:Reboot (continuity)|re-imagining]]," or updated version of [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the 1970s "Battlestar Galactica"]] made [[Naturalistic science fiction|more suitable]] to the modern sensibilities of the 21st Century. Aiming to tacle issues of civil rights, survival, terrorism, and religion, "Battlestar Galactica" is an sci-fi drama following the survivors of the human race—which number under 50,000. A familiar but different [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' finds herself leading a refugee [[The Fleet (RDM)|fleet]] on a lonely (and [[Home, Part II|initially fictitious]]) quest for [[Earth]], with turmoil from within and danger from without.

On the "Battlestar Wiki," the show's most common abbreviations are "the Re-imagined Series," or "RDM" for the initials of its executive co-producer and chief writer, [[Ronald D. Moore]] (as "Star Trek: The Next Generation" is often referred to as "TNG"). It was also initially disambiguated as "TNS" (for "The New Series"), or "BSG", but this has become rarer over time as it distinguished itself more from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|1978 series]], or the "Original Series" as it is commonly called on Battlestar Wiki.

"Battlestar Galactica" began (or, "re-began") as a four-hour [[Miniseries]] pilot that showed the destruction of the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], but in a style more familiar and disturbing to today's viewers, making its events eerily reminiscent of feelings felt by many viewers to the sporadic and inconsistent news and chaos shown during the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the United States.

While the ship was probably the most familiar element derived from the Original Series, many elements of the new show were very, very different. The commander, [[William Adama]], is a battle-hardened, secularly-minded commander on the eve of retirement for himself and his combat-decorated old battlestar. The names of Original Series characters are now the pilot call signs for his son, [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]] and the crack-pilot, [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]. Starbuck's change into a female character initially became a torrid issue to Original Series fans who feared this and other changes would render an inferior series.

However, some fans became pleasantly surprised when the series aired. Unlike its Original Series counterpart, this new series has not only survived, but has received many awards and nominations. These include several Emmy nominations, a Peabody Award, a Saturn Award, and a Hugo Award. Its popularity has even given the show its own spin-off series, [[Caprica (series)|currently in development.]] However, it has received some criticism from fans who feel it bastardized the original series, and some critics disliked it for various reasons.

As of the end of the regular 2006 television season, "Battlestar Galactica" was the Sci-Fi Channel's highest-rated program, beating out the venerable SF series, "[[Wikipedia:Stargate SG-1|Stargate SG-1]]" and its spin-off, "[[Wikipedia:Stargate Atlantis|Stargate Atlantis]]."

== Series development ==

After the Miniseries, the series itself was not immediately green-lit due to financial considerations. Initially, Universal Studios and Sci Fi Channel both deemed that the series was unaffordable, despite Eick's and David Kissinger's attempts to secure funding for the series. Fortuitously, Sky TV was looking to fund "high-profile American shows", and the series became affordable to Universal and Sci Fi, with Sky TV "ultimately making up the difference between what Universal felt it could afford and what we needed to make the show", according to Eick.<ref name="pg 41">{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=41|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>

Once funding was secured, the official announcement for the series' launch was given on 10 February 2004.<ref name="pg 41"/> Moore, a majority of the production staff, as well as every principal cast member from the miniseries returned to work on the series. Moore also hired the show's writing staff, including [[Toni Graphia]], [[David Weddle]], [[Bradley Thompson]], and [[Carla Robinson]], who mainly worked from the [[w:Rock Hudson|Rock Hudson]] Building at Universal's Hollywood lot.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=41-43|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>

Principal shooting on the [[Season 1 (2004-05)|first season]] was from 19 April to 15 September 2004, with each episode taking eight days to shoot. In an interesting twist, the so-called "American series" was first broadcast on a European network, Sky One, between 18 October 2004 to 24 January 2005.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=43|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref> While the first American airdate for the season premiere "[[33]]" was on 14 January 2005, this meant that the only way Americans could watch the show was to resort to retrieving digitized versions of the episodes from [[w:File sharing|file sharing]] programs. In response to this, Moore and Eick asked fans on SciFi.com's bulletin boards on 18 November 2004 to stop downloading the episodes and to wait to see the series when it first aired on Sci Fi Channel, claiming that downloading the series would adversely affect ratings and a [[Series 2 (2005-06)|second season]] renewal.<ref>{{cite_news|first=Steve|last=Krutzler|url=http://trekweb.com/articles/2004/11/18/419c3ee124590.shtml|title=Ronald D. Moore Implores U.S., Canadian Fans to Refrain from Downloading GALACTICA|publisher=|page=|date=18 November 2004|accessdate=16 February 2007|language=}}</ref>

== Noted Changes from the [[Original Series]] ==
The basic story is still present: robotic [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] surprisingly attack the Colonies resulting in a holocaust, thus forcing a "rag-tag, fugitive fleet" to coalesce around the last surviving [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]], ''[[Galactica]]'', to seek a mythical [[13th Colony]] where refugees hope to find shelter from the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]].

However, many of the fine details are changed, such as:

* The Cylons were created by Humanity, not by a reptilian race (also called [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylons]]) who hated Humanity. This makes their origins similar to those of the machines of the [[Wikipedia:The Terminator|Terminator]] or the [[Wikipedia:The Matrix|The Matrix]].
* Battlestar ''Galactica'' is a 50 year old relic on the verge of decommission.
* The names of "Apollo", "Boomer", and "Starbuck" are changed to call signs. Most characters have standard first and last names; some first names were not given until later in the series, such as [[Felix Gaeta|Felix Gaeta's]] or [[Anastasia Dualla|Anastasia Dualla's]].
* The futuristic (and often confusing) terminology used to denote units of measurement, such as distance and time, in the original series has been replaced with understandable terminology. For instance, "year" was replaced with "yahren" in the original.
* The ship designs, save for some revisions to the [[Viper (RDM)|Mk. II Viper]] and ''[[Galactica]]'' and a few noteworthy background ships (such as the [[Astral Queen]] and the [[Botanical Cruiser]]), have been redone.
* The [[Quorum of Twelve]] is not mentioned in the miniseries, and is apparently supplemented by a government body similar to the United States [[WikiPedia:executive branch|executive branch]]. There is a president, vice president, and secretaries. The [[Quorum of Twelve|Quorum]] does not make an appearance until episode 1.11 ([[Colonial Day]]).
* Instead of the other-worldly, Egyptian-esque clothing and city designs (i.e. pyramids) seen in the original, the clothing and cities are more contemporary in design and function.

The relationships and characters also differ significantly from the Original Series.

* [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]], who was played as a male character by [[Herb Jefferson Jr.]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Grace Park]]).
* [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]], who was played as a male character by [[Dirk Benedict]] in the original, is now the call-sign of a female lieutenant named [[Kara Thrace]] ([[Katee Sackhoff]])
* "Adama", "Tigh", and "Baltar" are now surnames.
* The character of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], portrayed by [[Lorne Greene]] in the Original Series, becomes [[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]] ([[Edward James Olmos]]). Adama's beliefs are far more secular than his TOS counterpart.
* [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]], portrayed by [[Original Series]] star and continuation activist [[Richard Hatch]], is the call sign of [[Lee Adama]] ([[Jamie Bamber]]).
* [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]], who was willingly complicit in the destruction of the Colonies due to his thirst for power, is now a scientific genius named [[Gaius Baltar]].
* The character of Colonel [[Tigh (TOS)|Tigh]], portrayed by [[Terry Carter]], is now separated from his wife and seeing out the rest of his career from inside a bottle in the form of Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] ([[Michael Hogan]]) who hasn't seen military action in a long while.

The show has taken a more realistic turn. [[Science in the Re-imagined Series|Realistic science]], which was painfully absent in the Original Series, is applied in this series.

Certain models of Cylons [[Humanoid Cylon|appear human, right down to the blood]] -- it takes complex tests just to screen for these [[Humanoid Cylon|Humanoid Cylons]]. This generates some very disturbing questions. For one, the Cylons have now managed to merge in with human society, making it easier to manipulate from within. This mirrors terrorist methods of infiltration and delivering destructive results to heavy population centers (a la suicide bombers).

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Ron D. Moore]] discusses using the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] as a template:''

: I approached the original show and looked at what worked and what didn't work. I tried to keep as much of the original show as possible. I kept all the essential elements of ''Battlestar Galactica'': the aircraft-carrier-in-space; the rag-tag fleet; the Cylon attack, the escape and the search for Earth; Commander Adama; Adama's son "Apollo", who's the ''Galactica'''s lead fighter pilot; the rogue pilot, "Starbuck"; their friend, "Boomer"; and Baltar, the traitor. Those were the main things I knew I had to keep – it wouldn't have been ''Battlestar Galactica'' without them.
: I changed the things I knew didn't work. The original [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]] didn't have a motivation for betraying his race<ref>Moore's statement is incorrect. Baltar's motivations were power-based; he made the deal with the Cylons, believing that the Cylons would spare his colony and subjugate the human species under him ([[Saga of a Star World]]).</ref>, so I knew I'd have to change that character. I also never understood why the Cylons were so intent on pursuing these humans across the galaxy<ref>See the [[Cylons (TOS)]] article for the Cylons' intent.</ref>, so I changed the background of the Cylons and their relationship with the human beings. Making the Cylons the creation of humanity enabled the Cylons to have a much more complicated love/hate relationship with humans, and also provided us with a way to use humanoid Cylons in the series, which was something we knew we wanted to do because there would be limits on how much we could use CGI Cylons.
: [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]] didn't seem to serve any function in the original show other than look beautiful and be a love interest for Starbuck, so I just got rid of that character. And while I thought [[Boxey (TOS)|Boxey]] was part of the family and decided it would be nice to include him in some peripheral way, I never considered keeping [[Muffit|Boxey's dog]] for a second. The dog was just absurd! it was right out from the moment I took the show.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=13-14|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>

* ''Moore discusses the religious aspects of the series:''
: The religious aspects of the show developed naturally out of my intention to reflect every aspect of the human experience. I was delighted because I'm fascinated with this notion of monotheism versus polytheism, and I felt its addition to the show enriched it and helped make it unique.<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=18-19|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>

* ''Moore discusses using the series as allegory to current events:''

: The original "[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek|[Star] Trek]]" series ... dealt with a lot of hot-button issues at the time: It dealt with racism, and it dealt with war, and it dealt with a lot of ideas that were very, very timely and very important. And this was a chance to make a science fiction show that wasn't purely escapist, but actually dealt with the world that we live in.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thestreet.com/_tsclsii/funds/goodlife/10276628.html|title=Delve Into 'Battlestar Galactica'|date=5 April 2006|accessdate=9 Feburary 2007|last=Wolverton|first=Troy|format=|language=}}</ref>

==Cast==
===Stars===
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as [[William Adama]]
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as [[Laura Roslin]]
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]
* [[James Callis]] as [[Gaius Baltar]]
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii/Number Eight]]

===Co-stars===
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]] (2003-2006)
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]

==Production Crew==
===Producers===
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer
* [[Toni Graphia]] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer

===Directors & Writing Staff===
: ''To view the list of all the directors and staff, see the [[Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Crew#Directors|Battlestar Wiki Crew Portal.]]

== References ==

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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:Series in the Re-Imagined Continuity]]
[[Category:RDM]]

User:Space Travel

2007-02-14T21:12:51Z

Space Travel: New page: My full name is "Space Travel is Boring," contrary to what the TV show tells us. I watch the show, I buy the DVDs, I listen to the podcasts...I'm a good little fan, really. I'd even read t...

My full name is "Space Travel is Boring," contrary to what the TV show tells us. I watch the show, I buy the DVDs, I listen to the podcasts...I'm a good little fan, really. I'd even read the novels if I didn't already have a stack of books on my shelf waiting to be read.

Talk:Callandra Tyrol/Archive 1

2007-02-14T21:03:02Z

Space Travel: /* Conventionized */

I just thought of this: in going with the Classical-themed names, maybe her full/real name's Calliope. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 20:43, 28 Apr 2005 (EDT)

== New Look ==

The last page was mostly garbage, opinion and things unverified. The new page has information that came directly from the episodes, and is accurate.

:But this picture is horrible...much too dark. I'll see if I cna find a better one. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:39, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:: I added a picture. Actually, I had uploaded it, but forgot to add it to the article the first time around. Let me know your thoughts and concerns about it. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:32, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

:::Looks good to me. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 17:39, 27 Jun 2005 (EDT)

::::I think it needs a better picture, one of the ones of her smiling on the flight deck. This is the one of her looking sad during Adama's speech. ---Ricimer, 25 Aug 2005

==First Name==

According to the novelization of the miniseries, her first name is "Jane". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)
:I noticed this myself, but I didn't put it up because I don't know if that is canonical. I mean according to the novelization she was also in a relationship with Prosna; I think a lot of this is just "made up" by the writer and not associated with RDM in any shape or form. I need to get around to making a full write-up of the novelization. Updates as I get them. 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 20:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)

== Possibly a nod to B7 ==

Since "Number Six" may be a nod to Prisoner, it may be that "Cally" is a nod to the eponymous telepath on "Blake's Seven," another tough-edged science fiction series. [[User:Below|Below]] 16:26, 2 February 2006 (EST)

:No. I was unaware that Cally was a character name on Blake's 7, but Ron D. Moore stated in the DVD commentary for "Bastille Day" that he picked the names of Cally, Socinus, and Prosna from an internet "Random ancient name generator". I actually had that in my transcript of the DVD commentary. Someone saw fit to remove it. I thought that was okay, but I guess I'll look at the history page and restore it now. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:37, 2 February 2006 (EST)

: I doubt that this is a nod to B7... Unless Avon and Vila show up with Servalan at their heels. :-) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:05, 2 February 2006 (EST)

== Time for a Cally romance ==

She's been in the background for too long. I enjoyed her early development, but it's slacked off to where she just seemed bitter. Cally was a perky upbeat person with a creative streak, and the attack (as did all characters) changed her. Not that I want Cally to become the Whore of the Battlestar, but it would be fun for, say, her and Gaeta to strike a rapport (if not romantic as Gaeta can be a bigger stickler of regs, even with the need to make babies). There's plenty of enlisted; perhaps even she and the chief, Laird...others from Pegasus. I don't want her to become a lost character as Billy K had become. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:Be careful what you wish for. All the people who were asking, "Where's Billy?" probably didn't like the answer they got in Sacrifice... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:46, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::Spencerian, as I dutifully selected representative of the [http://s15.invisionfree.com/Nicki_Clyne_Fan_Site/ cult-following that Nicki "Cally" Clyne has amassed] (me and some of the other regulars on the messageboard are obsessed with her: Solium and Nibblerfan made the fanart and run things, while I wrote up our "thesis" of why Cally is great (read it on the site); basically because I think she's the "Anti-Seven of Nine" and embodies many of the character traits postulated by [[Naturalistic science fiction]], and in short, just like after so much Voyager and Enterprise, there was a backlash with the fans and we all left for BSG, after so much Seven of Nine and T'Pol, there was a backlash in favor of Cally. So it turned into a craze, and they kind of realized how popular she was, gave her more to [[Resistance|do in season 2]], etc.) '''Anyway''', when you say "she's in the backround"...that's just these past few episodes. *****Watch the spoiler pics for "Lay Down Your Burdens", she's going to have ***BIG*** things happening, not to meantion, the Tyrol-Cally- Galactcia-Boomer triangle taking place. '''No''', she does not "just seem bitter", I don't know what you're talking about. She was cool in FotP and Pegasus.
::I'm sorry, but it doesn't seem that you've been obsessing over her for as long and in depth as much as we have; Gaeta is just a random name to say; rather, we've narrowed it down to two possible relationships: 1) Chief Tyrol 2) [[Seelix]]: Cally saved her life, so it would be really logical for her to be friends with Cally. Heck, like Cally, Racetrack, Helo, etc. Seelix was supposed to be a one-shot character (without even a name) but they liked her so they brought her back for FotP.

::Further, this is totally incomparable to Billy. I already thought of Billy as an underused character by the early episodes of season 2, and I didn't really like him, while CALLY was just great!

::'''Cally is not underused. Dualla is more underused than Cally. I like Cally more than Dualla, she's gotten more meaningful development, I think Apollo/Dualla is the most poorly executed storyline the show has ever produced, and frankly, everyone posting on the messageboards has generally been saying "wow....Dualla is not well developed and annoying....and I wish they were talking about Cally"'''

::Things may have focused on other characters for the middle of Season 2.5, but I assure you Spencerian, this post is unwarranted, from the spoilers I've seen for the season finale; "all is proceeding according to PLAN!...."--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:43, 14 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Out of respect, of course, I presume you're disagreeing with my ''comments'' and not the right to post. My post is quite warranted--I want to see more Cally. Anywho...Hopefully the "big" things at season's end don't involve her shooting anyone or getting shot. Dualla is getting a bit more screen time, but seems more like a damsel, which is a shame. I would like BSG to have an episode like ''Babylon 5's'' "[http://tgm.firstones.com/wiki/A_View_from_the_Gallery A View from the Gallery]," where we see some day-to-day events with our lesser but pet favorite characters, like Cally, Seelix, Tyrol, Gaeta, Kat, Hot Dog, and especially Racetrack (don't know what she does to me, but she does). And what's with the lazy talk formatting of your comments? Do I have to call the [[User:Day|Mop Boy]] to come clean up again...? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::::Several points:
::::1) By not means; of course I wasn't attacking your ''right'' to post this etc., I'm just debating the comments, etc.
::::2)....'''You refer to him as "The Boy", now?'''
::::3)That's a better way of putting my Dualla complaints: she has little characterization on her own; first she was defined mostly by her relationship with Billy, and now she's kind of just devolving into the "prize" of Apollo. I don't like where her character is degenerating. That said, I like the actress and she is more than capable of good stuff, I just think that Dualla's handling, case in point the Apollo/Dualla Dualla is meant as a reward for him thing, was one of the few wrong this with the show; it was kind of good in ''theory'' (when RDM talked about it in the Resistance and FotP podcasts, etc.), but the way it just ''sprung up'' now was just ''so'' poorly executed. I mean, just walking up to him in "Black Market" and going "hey, so we have a relationship, right?" (''shudder''); Sacrifice was better, but she was mostly damsel in distress, and further, her opennign dialog with Apollo "weren't that great" ("wow, that moment was...electric", etc. and "I can't quite figure ''You'' out Apollo"), again, my whole thing just being "wow, they never had a relationship before. This came about completely randomly, and they're acting as if it was some longstanding thing. The actors make a good job of it as best they can, but I really just want them to drop this relationship in season three"., etc.
::::4)Yes, I've alwas wanted another "View from the Gallery"/"Lower Decks" episode. Oh, Flight of the Phoenix was KIND OF like that, but I'd like more of it. Racetrack is also cool too. The reason I like Racetrack and also Duck is because they're such downers and pessimistic/pragmatic, i.e. like normal people. Sort of, you notice how on Star Trek often times even in really bad situations everyone tends to still be cheerful and optimistic? Well, logically, more of the pilots and civilians and regular people should be a little distraught at their situation. None too happy or perky, like Dr. Cottle, etc. Racetrack is indeed cool. I wish we'd finally have Helo in a Raptor again, paired with Racetrack etc.; not enough Raptor team stuff lately. But my pet project, "wishlist" episode, is like, TNG had "Data's Day" so why not "Cally's Day" or "Tyrol's Day", which focus entirely on like Tyrol (in which case Cally would be a main character), etc. etc. etc.
::::5) Giving Cally armor and Katanas etc. doesn't really work. The point of why Cally is cool (the Anti-Seven of Nine) is that she's not some cliche scifi female warrior, kick-ass Lara Croft type She has to use a rifle in early season 2, she's totally inexperienced, distraught and out of her element. Shooting Galactica-Boomer did really seem in character and GREAT though, as she cares about the Chief and would hate her for hurting him. I must say, it was one of those PERFECT tv moments where you go "I had NO IDEA that was going to happen....yet it was entirely logical, and I SHOULD HAVE seen it coming"....like when Cardassia joined the Dominion in Deep Space Nine, I was totally shocked, but realized that it was so logical, I should have seen it coming but didn't. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:14, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::::: Uh. Hello, suh. I'll just be gettin' to work, then. *mops Merv's face* Bit of a mess in here, it is. *mops Spence's face* --[[User:Day|Day]] 07:24, 15 February 2006 (EST)

== Cally Tyrol? ==

Since Cally's now Tryol's wife, should we concider giving her his last name in the article, or just wait and see until its confirmed on screen or in dialouge? -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 01:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:In the novelization, Cally is her surname. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:58, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::Oh, now ''that'''s interesting. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:22, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:We also don't know for sure that Tyrol and Cally are married (or even that Tyrol is the father of her child). --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 08:35, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::Given that they were building up the Cally/Tyrol relationship in Act 1, I think it's obviously implied to be his. As for "married", well he's a really religious man (a Gemenon, son of a priest, etc.) I mean, if he is having a baby with Cally, you think they ''wouldn't'' be married but our lovable morons Anders and Starbuck ''are''?--~
:::The implication is strong, but it's not crystal clear enough to note here without a hedge. I'm pretty sure we'll get a real confirmation in October. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:19, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::::I agree with the implication of them being married. However, that doesn't mean Cally will be taking Galen Tyrol's last name unless they say so. There are a lot of married couples nowadays that don't follow the "Western" tradition of the wife taking the husband's last name. You can't assume that the colonials all follow the same tradition. Will Starbuck be called Kara Anders? Probably for the continuouty of the show, probably not. -- [[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (MST)

With confirmation that Cally is married, we face a little problem in that this article uses the character's first name throughout, instead of the last name per convention. I'm OK on it because of the limited data we had to date, but we should consider the need to conventionize this article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:17, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
: <s>Actually, the issue I have right now is ''which'' last name to use. For instance, it's never been explicitly stated that Cally took on Tyrol's last name, unless I've missed something?</s> Frak, never mind. She did take Tyrol as her last name. {{tl|duncehat}} -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:26, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
: Based on Bradley's info, we should go ahead and conventionize the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:29, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
::Don't feel too bad. I did the same thing. Where's the proof! Oh. There it is. Yeah, let's go ahead and conventionize (even though Cally Tyrol still sounds like you're talking about two different characters). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:49, 15 September 2006 (CDT)
:::S.S.D.Article. If we keep the Tighs and Adamas on track, we can make Cally work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:50, 15 September 2006 (CDT)

== Conventionized ==

The article now fits with our standards and conventions. Like the name popularity of Helo, I won't be put off if the convention is occasionally violated in the article, 'cause Cally is just so gosh-dern cute. As season 3 goes along, contributions should use "Tyrol" and not "Henderson" or "Henderson Tyrol." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:19, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
:Do we have confirmation that Cally ever took Galen's surname? If not, shouldn't [[Anastasia Dualla]] be moved to [[Anastasia Dualla Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to [[Kara Thrace Anders]] under the same rationalle? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::That's an interesting question. I've been generally following the [[BW:OC]] on this, but others might have been getting ahead on this. Cally's sourcing is confirmed (see [[Sources:Cally Henderson Tyrol]]), although I don't expect to see any credits changed in the shows. The two other marriages are best left alone and, better, asked of in BW:OC, as I am not aware of any sources related to their name changes. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:20, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:Using "Henderson" instead of Cally is confusing. The only name used on the show is "Cally," after all...--[[User:Space Travel|Space Travel]] 15:03, 14 February 2007 (CST)

===Move===
I'd like to move this article to [[Cally Tyrol]]. We have no confirmation that Cally kept "Henderson" as a middle name. Also, we've generally avoided middle names and initials in the past, and I think we should continue to do so. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:01, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

:I tend to agree. Simplifies links, too. We can keep the full name as a redirect, naturally. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:53, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:I agree. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:31, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

== Cleanup ==

Todo:
*Headings
*Season 3 Info
--[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 10:54, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Made some headway with this- what do you think? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:40, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

:Sorry for the edit conflict and unintentional rollback of your last edits, Madbrood. Thanks for updating the article to current events (which I returned to the article). I've reformatted and concised the article to fit the season 3 character bios such as in [[William Adama]] and [[Gaius Baltar]]. That should take care of cleanup for this one. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:41, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

::No problem.I ''did'' kinda think, while I was bored at work, that I probably should have reviewed a couple of other character bios before jumping in, but I'm glad I could be of ''some'' assistance :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:47, 17 October 2006 (CDT)

==Rank==

We need sourcing on her rank as PO2. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)
:[[:Image:Season 3 - Promo - Unfinished Business - Cally.jpg|"Unfinished Business"]] shows PO2 (those darn little lines aren't the easiest to see, but it looks like they are there). I'm not sure whether that rank still applies though... is she still active duty after the baby? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:21, 14 December 2006 (CST)
::Without a shadow of a doubt PO2. In the highres version it's very obvious. Though it's a good idea to confirm it in other episodes too, since there are sometimes one-episode errors with the rankpins and PO2 and Specialist are very similar.
::And she was on duty in "Torn". When Kara brough her damaged Viper home --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:35, 14 December 2006 (CST)
:::Ah. Right you are. Unfortunately, she's in the orange jumpsuit in "Torn" (no rank visible). And the rank picture we do have is several months out of date (though her absence from duty makes it unlikely that she shot up through the ranks in the interim). I'll scan through a bit more, but that might be our best shot for now. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:55, 14 December 2006 (CST)