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Galen Tyrol

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Saforrest: /* The escape of Sharon Valerii */

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|age=Aprroximately 30<ref>Tyrol stated that he has "served on battlestars since I was 18" ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and had "ten years experience" at the time of the Cylon attack ([[Miniseries]]) which would make him 28 at the time. The events of the third season take place two years later.</ref>, actually 2,000+<ref>[This is due to extreme long age flight at near but not equaling light speed. Thus succumbing to relativistic affects including only from his point of view being in space for only a few years. Therefore in addition to have actually been born his actual age biologically speaking is actually closer to 30 possibly older but not 2,000.</ref>
|colony= [[Earth_(RDM)|Earth]] (supposedly from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]])
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|seen= Miniseries
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|parents= Allegedly an unnamed [[oracle]] (mother) and [[priest]] (father).
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|children=[[Nicholas Tyrol]] (''de jure'', not biological)
|marital status= Widowed, formerly married to [[Cally Tyrol|Cally (Henderson) Tyrol]] †
|role= Formerly Principal liaison between rebel Cylons and Colonials<br/>Senior NCO/Crew Chief, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<ref name="rank_status">Formally reinstated by Admiral Adama in "''[[No Exit]]''"</ref> Currently arrested.
|rank= [[#Rank Notes|See More...]]
|serial= 312365<ref name="serial">The original dog tags showed a different name and serial number: "C. Tyrol ser 312365" ([http://www.mediablvd.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16040&view=findpost&p=1890295 "Questions for Aaron Douglas"] messageboard Q&A with actor Aaron Douglas).</ref> <br/>409185<ref name="serial 2">Recent tag photos from the actor show the correct name but with a new serial number ([http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/45310.html The Chief's Deck fan blog]), which is also the number supplied to QMX for the dogtag replicas.</ref>
|actor= [[Aaron Douglas]]
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|name= Galen Tyrol
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== Biography ==

=== Background ===

'''Galen Tyrol''', often referred to as "Chief", is the highest ranking NCO remaining aboard ''[[Galactica]]''. He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'', ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'', and ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). He has served under [[William Adama]] on ''Galactica'' for five years ([[Litmus]]), and has considerable respect for the Commander - a feeling that is reciprocated. Indeed, he admires Adama to such a degree that he has modeled his own style of leadership on that of Adama: firm, fair, and willing to go to the fullest degree in support of his crew.

However, when people under his responsibility are injured, threatened or killed, Tyrol becomes rather irrational, angry, and reckless in his actions, to the point of further endangering his people or his reputation with senior officers. Prime examples of his lack of emotional control includes the scenes before the ship venting after the nuke hit and cursing [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] in front of Commander Adama for the vent and loss of 85 of his people ([[Miniseries]]), and saving a mortally-wounded crewmate while leaving himself and [[Cally Henderson]] highly vulnerable in "[[Scattered]]". Tyrol's tryst with [[Sharon Valerii]] and a subsequent cover-up attempt in "[[Litmus]]" resulted in the jailing of Specialist [[Socinus]], who was trying to protect Tyrol.

Originally leading [[Deck Crew 5]], a team of 15 [[deckhand]]s and specialists, since the Cylon attack he has become the most senior and experienced NCO on ''Galactica''.

===First and Second Life Cycles===

Tyrol was born on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] during its last days. He was a senior researcher in a special team attempting to recover [[downloading]] technology, which had been lost since the founding of the colony. His work was considered key. In his first body, he wore glasses. He was planning to marry fellow team member [[Tory Foster]]. The two of them were lovers and shared living quarters.

Prior to the war, Tyrol and the others received warnings about the war from beings they saw which no others could see. Tyrol insisted there must be a chip in his head creating the visions, not unlike Baltar would thousands of years later. The work was completed. Tyrol was killed by a very close nuclear flash as he was shopping in a fruit and flower market. The vaporization of his body left a shadow on a concrete wall visible 2,000 years later.

His consciousness was transferred to a ship orbiting the planet. He and the others set out in a slower-than-light ship to re-find Kobol and the 12 tribes. He arrived at the colonies during the first Cylon war, and helped construct the eight humanoid Cylons. He was betrayed, killed and boxed by [[Number One|John]], who later resurrected him with false memories and planted him in the colonies for his next life cycle.

=== Cylon Attack ===

At the time of the Cylon attack, as well as leading his deck crew, Tyrol is overseeing the refurbishment and restoration of [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Viper Mark II|Mark II]] [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the Viper originally flown by William Adama at the time of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).

Following the attack, with ''Galactica'' undermanned, Tyrol also performs the function of senior Damage Control officer ([[Miniseries]] / [[Water]]), a role that brings him into conflict with [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] after the ''Galactica'' is struck by a Cylon nuclear warhead.

=== Relationship with Sharon Valerii ===

[[Image:Sharontyrol.jpg|thumb|right|[[Sharon Valerii]] and Galen Tyrol.]]

For several months prior to the Cylon attack, and in its aftermath, Tyrol has been engaged in an affair with Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], one of ''Galactica'''s [[Raptor]] pilots. Despite the fact the relationship breaks military protocol, senior officers on the ship turn a blind eye to it, while Tyrol's own crew treat it with fond amusement.

When the water supplies on ''Galactica'' are sabotaged, Tyrol is placed in an awkward position: by her own admission, Valerii knows explosives were missing from a small-arms locker - potentially making her a suspect - and he is the principal DC investigator into the cause of the explosions which wreck the water tanks. Torn between love and duty, the situation prompts him to hide evidence and allow a theory that the walls of the tanks simply collapsed from fatigue resulting from damage ''Galactica'' received from a nuclear warhead in the Cylon attack ([[Water]] / [[Miniseries]]).

Following the sabotage attempt, Valerii is ordered to end her relationship with Tyrol ([[Bastille Day]]) as a part of a general tightening-up of security and discipline on ship, only to have Tyrol's deck crew help the two of them to continue to meet in greater secret ([[Litmus]]).

Tyrol's world is thrown further into turmoil when both he and Valerii become the prime suspects in an investigation into how a humanoid Cylon (a copy of [[Aaron Doral]]) managed to get aboard the ''Galactica'', kill a guard, steal explosives and them blow himself up in a ship's corridor, almost killing Adama and Tigh ([[Litmus]]). When [[Socinus|one of his own Specialists]] is thrown in the brig for dereliction of duty which may have enabled the Cylon to access a weapons locker and steal the explosives, Tyrol is shocked into re-thinking his relationship with Valerii, and ends it himself.

While they continue to encounter one another professionallly - their work means they can hardly avoid one another - Tyrol and Valerii now have an uneasy distance between each other, and Valerii's actions around a captured Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]] have begun to disturb Tyrol.

=== Kobol ===

When [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] discovers the planet believed to be [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], Tyrol arranges for Socinus' release and later berates the specialist for lying to cover for him. Thereafter, Tyrol is part of the team assembled on the ill-fated recon Kobol on the [[Raptor 1]], which then crashlands near the ruins of the [[Tomb of Athena]]. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]], [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Part II]])

While Tyrol is the more experienced leader, his non-commissioned status leaves Lieutenant [[Alex Quartararo|Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo]] in charge of the survivors. When Crashdown blames [[Tarn]] for leaving a needed med kit behind -- Socinus is injured during the crash and [[serisone]] is needed to help him breathe -- Tyrol steps in, recommending that he and [[Cally Henderson]] accompany Tarn. After successfully retrieving the kit from the Raptor crash site and heading back to the party, the trio is ambushed by Cylons and Tarn is killed ([[Scattered]]). Eventually, he and Henderson make it back to the party, only to find out that it is too late. Upon [[Seelix]]'s urging, Tyrol euthanizes Socinus with an overdose of [[morpha]] from both medkits to spare him a more painful death ([[Valley of Darkness]]).

Upon discovering that the Cylons are setting up an anti-aircraft missle battery, Crashdown plans a strike to take the unit (and its accompanying [[DRADIS]] dish) out of operation. While the others of his party, notably Baltar and Henderson, attempt to voice their indignation of such a plan, Tyrol firmly reminds them that Crashdown is in charge. Despite Tyrol's own misgivings of how the plan is to be executed, they follow through to the point right before the attack.

When it becomes clear that there were five Cylons at the battery, Henderson refuses to conduct a divionary attack. Tyrol attempts to diffuse the situation by trying to state that the DRADIS dish is undefended; all that needs to be done is to destroy it, and the turret could not automatically target the incoming [[SAR]] operation. Crashdown has a breakdown and irrationally threatens to kill Henderson, prompting Baltar to [[w: Frag (military)|frag]] Crashdown.

As the command officer, per se, Tyrol later destroys the DRADIS dish as the Cylons pursue them towards it. Tyrol then makes a stand against the Cylons, screaming and firing his pistol at them. The Cylons are all killed; a surprised Tyrol turns around and sees that a [[Raptor]], preserved by Tyrol's destruction of the dish, has destroyed the Centurions with a missile ([[Fragged]]).

=== After Kobol ===

Tyrol is arrested and interrogated by Colonel Tigh, due to his relationship with Commander Adama's would-be assassin. Tigh accuses him of being part of the plot to kill Adama, throwing him in the same cell as Valerii. Baltar later visits the cell on the pretense of drawing Tyrol's blood to analyze via the [[Cylon detector]]. In fact, Tyrol is used as a means to extract information from Valerii; Baltar injects a drug that induces a systemic shutdown of Tyrol's organs, telling Valerii that the chief only has moments to live and that providing him with information on the numbers of humanoid Cylons within the fleet is the only thing that could save Tyrol. After extracting the alleged number of Cylons in the Fleet from Valerii, Tyrol is injected with an antidote and is eventually declared human by Baltar (who does not run the test).

Tyrol is present when his own deckhand, Cally Henderson, kills Valerii, as Tyrol accompanies the security escort to Valerii's testing cell ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]). This act causes Tyrol to withdraw more from interaction with his own staff, many of which are already treating him coldly from his interaction with the now-confirmed Cylon copy of Valerii.

As with many on ''Galactica'', the stress of working without relief in sight or with little hope begins to take its toll on Tyrol. For him, the challenge of keeping the old Vipers running with very few spare parts and sometimes extensive damage becomes too much to manage. Under pressure from [[CAG]] [[Lee Adama]] to keep his Vipers flying, and mostly because he has little else to do, he scribbles out a design for a new fighter and begins to assemble it from basic metals and parts ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Initially, his deck crews are skeptical that the Chief's project is anything but a pipe dream. But word soon spreads as the fuselage forms and Tyrol's dream becomes reality. While Colonel Tigh is visibly against the project at first, Commander Adama notices that the project, for whatever outcome it might yield, gives the crew something to strive for, something to hope for, and tacitly allows off-duty crew to work on it. Many, including [[Anastasia Dualla]] from [[CIC]], and [[Kara Thrace]], lend a hand.

Tyrol's group is stuck when trying to place a skin on the new fighter since the necessary parts are reserved for the Vipers. But [[Karl Agathon]] suggests carbon composite materials as an alternative to cover the ship. This solves the covering but adds a significant new ability: stealth. The carbon composites would make the new fighter nearly invisible to [[DRADIS]] detection.

After the ship's [[logic bomb]] crisis, the new fighter, named the [[Blackbird]], is given a trial flight by Kara Thrace, with very good results. In a ceremony, President Roslin christenes the vessel and Tyrol reveals the nickname of the Blackbird in honor of the President: ''Laura''.

=== Helo's Return ===

After the return of [[Karl Agathon]] and another version of Sharon Valerii, pregnant with Agathon's child, the two attempt to reconcile their feelings for the biological creation. Helo and Tyrol eventually have a fistfight with lots of namecalling over what the Sharons were, but in reality, both are upset over the fact that the two Cylon copies were real people that whom they loved, despite the reality of what they are ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]). Their realization of this fact leads them to what amounted to an uneasy truce.

Later on, after the appearance of Admiral [[Helena Cain]] and the advanced [[Mercury-class]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', he and Agathon stop Lieutenant [[Alastair Thorne]] from raping Sharon and Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Tyrol and Agathon are summarily arrested and transfered to ''Pegasus'' for court martial, against Commander Adama's objections. However, Admiral Cain's "court martial" is over before Adama even knows it began, and she sentences both to be executed for murder and treason. This prompts Adama to launch Vipers and a Raptor loaded with a marine strike team to recover them both ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

Helo and Tyrol receive a stay of execution through the efforts of [[Laura Roslin]] while the two battlestar commanders prepare to destroy the [[Resurrection Ship]] and its Cylon attack fleet that has followed ''Galactica''. Tyrol admits to his difficulty with dealing with the existence of the second Sharon, and tells Helo that he's got to "let it go", an idea that Helo supports, both understanding each other's take on the situation.

The two prisoners are seen receiving two sets of visitors, one welcome, one not. First, Lieutenant Adama visits them to tell them how close ''Galactica'' came to a shooting war with ''Pegasus'' ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]), asking the two, "Just how many kinds of stupid ''are'' you?" A day or so later, Specialists [[Vireem]] and [[Gage]] bind and beat the two prisoners in retaliation for the death of Lieutenant Thorne. [[Executive officer]] [[Jack Fisk]] comes to break up the beating, but refuses the prisoners' thanks as he was fond of Thorne himself.

After the escaped humanoid Cylon [[Gina]] escapes and shoots Admiral Cain, killing her, Tyrol and Helo are released and return to ''Galactica.'' Both Tyrol and Helo visit Sharon Valerii at her specialized cell. She happily greets Helo, but completely ignores Tyrol. He gets the hint and soon leaves the room, still unable to recover from the memory of the Sharon he knew as "Boomer".

=== Depression and Suicidal Yearnings ===

Tyrol also begins to experience a recurring nightmare in which he jumps from the upper portion of the flight deck to his death. [[Cally Henderson]] finds him asleep but twitching on the ''Galactica'' deck, but when she attempts to wake him, he attacks her in a frenzied rage, beating her savagely.

Deeply distressed by what he had done, Tyrol requests counselling with a priest, and is assigned [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]. After some time with Tyrol, Cavil identifies the source of Tyrol's anxiety as arising from fear that he is a [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon sleeper agent]], much like [[Sharon Valerii]] was. Tyrol points out that Sharon was totally convinced by her programming that she was human; Tyrol is haunted by the fear that it was impossible to truly know if you were a Cylon or not. Cavil assures him that he was not, quipping that he knew "because I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings.".

[[Cavil]] tells him to get back to work, which is where his real family is, and argues that they, [[Deck Crew 5|the deck crew]], love him, "even Cally, ''especially'' Cally" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]). Tyrol is subsequently responsible for exposing [[Cavil]] as a humanoid Cylon when he recognizes him as one of the returnees from the rescue mission to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]]. Upon realizing this, Tyrol tackles Cavil, calls for security, and states 'Code Blue.'
[[Image:Tyrol LDYBII.JPG|thumb|Tyrol as Union President ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]

===On New Caprica===

A year later, Tyrol lives in [[New Caprica City]] and is the president of the Worker's Union, a vocal opponent of President Baltar's administration. By this point, he has married Henderson, who is pregnant 380 days after settling on the planet. Tyrol and Henderson witness the arrival of the Cylons on the planet, and go to [[Kara Thrace]] for guidance. She tells him to "fight them until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
Shortly thereafter, their son [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]] is born and later [[dedication ceremony|dedicated]] to the god of war Ares ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance, Episode 10]]).

By Day 67 of the Cylon Occupation, he begins working with [[Saul Tigh]] about forming an armed resistance movement against the Cylon forces ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 1|The Resistance, Episode 1]]). They begin to cache weapons, hiding them in various places, including a temple ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance#Episode 3|The Resistance, Episode 3]]). Through his efforts, the Resistance begins to pick up membership in combating the Cylon Opressors.

By Day 134, the Resistance is in full swing, working with [[Samuel Anders]] to hit high profile targets, including a Heavy Raider ([[Occupation]]). He becomes at odds with Tigh over the use of suicide bombing to strike at President Baltar during the [[NCP]] Graduation Ceremony, but manages to get a signal to an orbiting Raptor from the Fleet ([[Occupation]]). As a result, he works with Tigh to disrupt the Cylons enough until ''Galactica'' and the Fleet can return.

After learning that his wife is among the detainees taken by the [[NCP]], Tyrol begins a plan to rescue them using the information provided [[Felix Gaeta|from a source]] within Baltar's government, which is ultimately successful ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

===After The Second Exodus===

Following the successful escape from New Caprica with the colonists, Tyrol re-enlists in ''Galactica'''s crew. Meanwhile, he becomes a member of the [[Circle]], a secret tribunal authorized by President Tom Zarek to judge and convict Cylon collaborators. When [[Felix Gaeta]] is tried and sentenced to death, Tyrol realises that Gaeta actually worked for the Resistance -- he was the "inside source" in Baltar's administration and without his help the Colonials probably would never escape from New Caprica. That revelation saves Gaeta's life and soon after the Circle disbands ([[Collaborators]]).

===Seeing the Eye===

[[Image:3x11 Temple of Five discovery.jpg|thumb|left|Tyrol discovers the Temple of Five ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).]]
Tyrol, his wife, and a small group of people are camped on the [[algae planet]] as they continue their harvest of badly-needed algae to be used as food for the Fleet ([[The Passage]]). Tyrol, however, senses something on the planet, and soon goes to investigate alone. He finds, within a mountain, a constructed entrance, which leads to an immense chamber, with five pentagonal obelisks, a central circular spire and writings of Colonial origin. Tyrol has discovered something that his parents, one a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)#The Clergy|priest]] and another an [[oracle]], would have longed to see: [[The Temple of Five]]. Tyrol has apparently and inadvertently discovered an family heritage to sense spiritual forces, or at least, ancient Colonial structures.

After the Cylons arrive in force at the algae planet and threaten to destroy ''Galactica'' if they attempt to leave with the Eye (with the Colonials threatening to nuke the planet if the Cylons attempt to do the same), Tyrol is ordered to wire the Temple with [[G-4]] to prevent a Cylon incursion. He begins to touch the central symbol on the center spire as, unknown to him, Cylons begin their move on the Temple ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
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===The life of a knuckledragger===
During an outbreak of [[Mellorak infection|Mellorak sickness]], Tyrol displays a shared and apparently wide spread prejudice against [[Sagittaron]]s, including worrying that if they abandoned their religious belief against using scientific medicine the rest of the Fleet would have to share the scarce [[bittamucin]] drug that cures the disease ([[The Woman King]]).

The Tyrols are put in danger after Galen and Cally are trapped in a depressurizing airlock during routine maintenance. With no other options before air runs out, the two are ejected into open space and into a Raptor, despite the lack of pressure suits. Suffering [[w:Decompression sickness|decompression sickness]], Tyrol recovers in bed in sickbay while his wife recovers in a hyperbaric chamber. Tyrol finds himself with more time to care for his son, [[Nicholas Tyrol|Nicholas]], as his wife desired ([[A Day In The Life]]).

Tyrol and Admiral Adama lock horns in a labor dispute. Tyrol takes the side of workers aboard the [[refinery ship]] ''[[Hitei Kan]]'' who go on strike due their bad working and living conditions. Tyrol backs down when Adama threatens to have his wife executed. Later Tyrol and President Roslin come to a mutual agreement, and a [[Colonial Worker's Alliance|workers union]] is reformed from Tyrol's New Caprica days ([[Dirty Hands]]).

===Revelations===
When the Fleet heads towards the Ionian nebula, Tyrol is driven to unrest by a strange [[The Music|music]] he hears. Arriving at the nebula, the effect intensifies, and Tyrol is drawn together with [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Saul Tigh]]. Initially shocked at the discovery that he is one of the [[final five]] Cylons, Tyrol chooses, along with the other three, to return to his post and his duties in defending the Fleet from an incoming Cylon fleet ([[Crossroads, Part II]]). However, over the next months the four hold clandestine meetings in various locations, discussing their nature and their actions.

Tyrol has difficulty coping with this new revelation, beginning to cut himself. Although trying to act normally, Tyrol's changed behavior eventually has an effect on his marriage. He alienates his wife, who begins to take anti-depressants to cope. After she witnesses one of their secret meetings, she is killed by Foster, who makes it appear like a suicide ([[The Ties That Bind]]). Tyrol's personal problems are magnified by his wife's death and having to care alone for his son. An uncharacteristic "[[frak]]-up" on the hanger deck nearly results in catastrophe and a drunken tirade against Admiral Adama in [[Joe's bar]] earns him demotion and re-assignment ([[Escape Velocity]]). His shaving of his head reflects a continuing troubled state of mind. Blaming himself for Cally's death, he nearly commits suicide, but is unable to bring himself to pull the trigger. During this, he also clashes with [[Gaius Baltar]] over the memory of his wife and Baltar's new cult. However, when Baltar apologizes in private and explains the reasons for becoming a religious figure, Tyrol seems to forgive him ([[The Road Less Traveled]]).

When the [[Cylon Civil War|Cylon rebels]] take hostages and demand that the Cylons on ''Galactica'' are turned over to them, Saul Tigh comes clean and reveals the four. Tigh is about to be executed when [[Kara Thrace]] runs into the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] control room announcing that she found another clue towards Earth. In an unexpected move, President [[Lee Adama]] grants the Cylons a full amnesty. When the Fleet makes its final jump to Earth, Tyrol sits in his quarters with his son ([[Revelations]]).

===Earth and after===

Tyrol is among those that make the initial landing on Earth. His reaction to the burnt-out, radiated wasteland is different from the others; he smiles in a cynical grin, shaking his head. As they all begin to explore, he is attracted to a fragment of wall. As he gets closer, he hears echoes of ghosts saying things like "Fresh fruit, get your fresh fruit!" He sees a human silhouette on the wall, looking as if it were painted there. Surrounding the silhouette is weathered writing, barely readable. Tyrol touches the silhouette--and is thrown into a vision of the world as it once was, and Tyrol as he once was, wearing glasses and a sportcoat as he passes through a bustling marketplace of open carts of fruit and flowers and other goods. He stops to buy an avacado himself then continues walking. A massively bright flash of light appears as Tyrol shields his eyes - and stumbles back away from the wall and falls to the ground ([[Sometimes a Great Notion]]).

Among the Cylons in the fleet, Tyrol has (thus far) been shown as the most torn between his worlds since the arrival of the rebel Cylon basestar. Saul Tigh, Sam Anders and Sharon Agathon remained on active duty and retained their rank [though Tigh and Anders may have been temporarilly relieved between their identification in "Revelations" and the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion"]. Tory Foster defected to the Cylons; and the rebel Sixes, Eights, Twos, rebel [[Hybrid]] and (apparently) their [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s and [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] having had their [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s removed, identify entirely as Cylons. Caprica-Six, though remaining aboard ''Galactica'' with the father of her child (and with the only physician with Cylon obstetric experience), identifies herself exclusively as a Cylon and is quite excited about her ability to bear a wholely-Cylon child. The only un-boxed [[Number Three]] maroons herself on Earth with the bones of their ancestors. Conversely, Tyrol appears to have one foot in each society.

Unlike Tigh, Anders and Agathon, Tyrol's duty status is "inactive" from the time of his exposure in "Revelations" until the first act of "No Exit"<ref>FTL engine room control computer terminal showed his status at the end of "Blood on the Scales". He accepts Adm. Adama's request to return to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably SCPO) whilst discussing the necessary ship repairs in the FTL engine room in Act 1 of "No Exit".</ref>, though he apparently continues to reside aboard ''Galactica'' with his nominal son. It is revealed in "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]" that he serves as an intermediary between the rebel Cylons and the Colonial government (or specifically Adama), and vouched for Adama's character and trustworthiness before the rebel Cylons. He conveys their offer to upgrade Colonial FTL drives with Cylon technology in exchange for citizenship and representation. In doing so, Tyrol finds himself confused by what pronouns to use with respect to Colonials and Cylons, demonstrating his struggle with his group identity. Out of habit, he initially refers to the rebel Cylons in the third person before correcting himself to use the first person, and likewise speaks of the colonists in the first person with an immediate amendment to the second person. The only other Cylon who formerly served in the Colonial military and is not currently on active duty is Tryol's former lover, Sharon Valerii.

The duality of his group identity is instrumental to the survival of President Roslin and former President Baltar, and the failure of the Zarek-Gaeta coup d'état. Tyrol has wireless communication with Cylons, independent of ''Galactica''’s radio systems, and is thus able to arrange a Cylon-piloted rescue Raptor to meet them at a rarely-used airlock and fly them to the safety of the Basestar. ([[The Oath) Like the other Cylons among the colonists, Tyrol remains loyal to the established authority of President Roslin and Admiral Adama; and, like Councilman Adama, puts aside his civilian status to take up arms and counter the mutiny. Tyrol's detailed knowledge of the ship's ductwork and FTL systems enable him to bybass the mutineers and disable the drive by removing its synchronisation coil<ref>Actions shown in "Blood on the Scales". The part is identified in dialogue in "No Exit".</ref>, thus preventing Gaeta from jumping the ship away. The loyalty he instils in his former subordinates, collegues and trade unionists allow him to escape capture when discovered mid-travel. While in the FTL engine room, he discovers severe cracks in ''Galactica''’s hull. ([[Blood on the Scales]])

Despite being well-versed in maintaining Galactica's two FTL drives and being a Final Five Cylon, Tyrol is baffled by Cylon FTL technology and defers to "Sixes, Sharons and maybe even some Leobens" to upgrade Colonial ships' drives. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).

In connection with young Nicholas Tyrol's kidney infection, Galen learns from [[Doctor Cottle]] that the boy is the biological son of [[Brendan Costanza]]; [[Callandra Tyrol|Cally]] had secretly been sexually involved with both men concurrently prior to her marriage to Galen; she, Cottle, and Cottle's staff kept the child's parantage secret from Galen. After briefly battering Costanza to satisfy his machismo and sense of betrayal, Tyrol takes him to Nicky's hospital bed and instructs him that his first lesson in fatherhood is to stay at the boy's side until Tyrol sleeps off his alcohol binge and sobers up. (A Disquiet Follows My Soul).

Following the [[Gaeta's Mutiny|mutiny]], Tyrol brings to the attention of Adama a number of stress fractures in the hull of ''Galactica''. Adama reinstates Tyrol to active duty as a Chief Petty Officer (presumably Senior Chief, but his specific rank has never been stated orally), a position that was opened by the murder of [[Peter Laird]]. Tyrol convices a reluctant Adm. Adama to let him utilize Cylon technology to repair and structually enhance the ship. Adama promoted him back to his old position.

===The escape of Sharon Valerii===

After Tyrol had been supervising for a time the repairs on ''Galactica'', Sharon Valerii returned to ''Galactica'' ostensibly rescuing [[Ellen Tigh]] from the [[Cavil]] led Cylons. Tyrol immediately exposed Valerii to Admiral Adama who had her arrested for her past attack on himself, then Commander Adama, and her leadership role in New Caprica's puppet government. During the ensuing weeks Valerii was held in the brig. After the Rebel Cylons elected [[Sonja]] as their representative to the Quorum she immediately requested the extradition of Valerii to the Cylons for treason in siding with the Cavil forces in the Cylon Civil War (she went against the consensus decision of her model line to not lobotomize the Cylon Raiders). Her acts after the war started caused the deaths of thousands if not millions of Rebel Cylons. If found guilty she would be put to death. This cause great distress to Tyrol. This compelled him to visit Valerii in the brig for the first time after weeks of her incarceration. He voiced his regrets over things he said to Valerii when he discovered she was a Cylon but still unaware he was one himself. Later, there for the first time Tyrol experienced Cylon Projection, joining the projection by Valerii of their house they had intended to build on [[Picon]] and eventually the child they probably would had had. This rekindled his love for Valerii. He pleaded with President Roslin to deny extradition that was to happen the very next day. He failed. Without legal recourse and certain that the Rebel Cylons would put her to death, Tyrol, under the cover of darkness he created, assaulted an Eight during repair work on ''Galactica''. Somehow transporting the incapacitated Eight, he then sabotaged the power to the Valerii's Brig. With her cooperation she was switched for the other Eight. Tyrol had intended to just have her escape ''Galactica'' (where in particular was not revealed) by briefly impersonating Sharon "Athena" Agathon who was scheduled to go on a long range duration planet search mission. Possibly unknown to him she had viciously assaulted Athena in the pilot's head adjoining the [[Ready Room]]. However, giving his willingness to assault a random Eight to facilitate the escape of Valerii he may had seen Valerii's assault on Athena-if he knew about it-as a necessary evil. What he didn't know was Valerii's intent to abduct and escape with Hera Agathon, Athena's daughter. On the hanger deck and unknown to him she was in the equipment provisions case drugged as he helped Valerii with it onto a Raptor. After a passionate good bye (after Valerii asked Tyrol to join her but he turned it down) with the hope that they will meet again, Valerii prepared for launch. In the interim Valerii was discovered to have escaped and Admiral Adama, first through deception and then overtly tried to apprehend her by preventing her launch, prompting her to take drastic action to fly out of a closing flight pod damaging the Raptor but making it out. She then quickly jumped away from ''Galactica'' damaging her hull due to her proximity. As he was overseeing and giving orders for repairs of the damaged section he learned of the abduction by Valerii of Hera from a crewman and overhearing a distraught Athena and Helo brow beat a crewman for supposedly not noticing a three year old girl boarding a Raptor. Shocked and devastated he irrationally projected the Picon house which was empty including of his notional daughter. It emotionally shattered him, Valerii's betrayal in stealing Hera. Valerii's mission was to abduct Hera all along. The "rescue" of Ellen Tigh was part of the plot to gain credibility.([[Someone to Watch Over Me]]) Later Tyrol was arrested for his hand in the escape of Sharon Valerii and her abduction of Hera Agathon. How his complicity was detected is not known. Although given his known determination to save Valerii from extradition and very likely death and his known "repair" of the power to her cell he was a natural suspect. Also, given the known Cylon ability to tell each other apart despite being identical to humans if he was seen talking to the supposed "Athena" on the hanger deck he would not able to plead ignorance and misidentification given how easily he identified Valerii when she first came aboard. Given his arrest most likely he has been stripped of his rank and responsibilities. ([[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] outtakes<ref>The scene depicting the arrest and jailing of Tyrol was edited out. [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1671]</ref>)

Tyrol is released from the brig and when Admiral Adama calls for volunteers to rescue Hera, he immediatly volunteers and convinces Tory Foster to as well. When ''Galactica'' jumps to the battle, he mans the FTL console and is the one to jump the ship to the Colony, but he remains with Ellen and Anders afterwards. Later, after the Five offer to give Cavil back resurrection in exchange for giving them back Hera and leaving humanity alone, Tyrol and the other members of the Five combine together through Anders' Hybrid tank to retrieve the secret of resurrection which they each hold a piece of, and Tyrol and the others see at least some of each others memories. When Tyrol sees Tory killing Cally and realizes the truth, he flies into a rage, breaks the download and strangles Tory and breaks her neck, killing her. Later on the Colonials new homeworld, he decides to move to an island with no people on it and live out the rest of his days as a hermit, having grown tired of people, both human and Cylon.

From the description "it's an island, off one of the northern continents. It's cold, it's up in the highlands" his intended place of residence may be modern-day Scotland; however, in historical fact sea levels 150,000 years ago were different and Britain was not then an island, being connected to the European mainland.

== Attitudes toward humans ==
After his self discovery as a Cylon and his almost suicidal depression over it, he seems to have accepted it but is still struggling in coming to terms with what it exactly means. He has expressed himself as a Cylon and represented their point of view in discussions with Admiral Adama including lobbying for Cylon citizenship and delegate representation in the Fleet. ([[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]). However, he still has a strong loyalty to the humans and Galactica, siding with the Loyalist during the mutiny and was instrumental in getting President Roslin and Gaius Baltar off the ship in which they subsequently reached the safety of the Baseship. ([[The Oath]]) He also prevented the Galactica from jumping away from the Baseship and the ships who followed Roslin's orders. ([[Blood on the Scales]]) After discovering serious structural damage to the ship, he has accepted a request to become Chief of Engineering again from Admiral Adama who he is fiercely loyal to in particular. He has offered to use Cylon technology to help strengthen her hull. After an initial refusal from Adama the Admiral changed his mind and accepted Tyrol's offer. He looks on the saving the humans from the Cylon Centurions during the first Cylon War as a positive that he and the other Five should be given credit for it ([[No Exit]]) but he has never uttered an anti-human word. However, he has been told of his history on Earth and since then second handedly. Unlike [[Ellen Tigh]] and [[Samuel Anders]] and like [[Tory Foster]] and [[Saul Tigh]] he has no first hand self recollection of his true history. It is not known if his strongly pro-human attitude will change if he ever does, but Anders's recitation of events including him helping stopping the First Cylon War against the humans 40 years ago it maybe favorable if he does recover his true memory.

== Notes ==

*On the [http://community.livejournal.com/aarondouglas/56725.html?thread=253077#t253077 Aaron Douglas Live Journal Community], Aaron Douglas told fans that he is "Number 12", which he got to choose. This comment seems to be made invalid by [[Ron D. Moore]]'s statement that the Final Five do not have model numbers like the other seven humanoid Cylons.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.thefutoncritic.com/rant.aspx?id=20080611|title=Rants & Reviews - Live at the "Battlestar Galactica" Midseason Finale Premiere|date=11 June 2008|accessdate=13 June 2008|last=Sullivan|first=Brian Ford|format=|language=}}</ref>
*[[Wikipedia:Galen|Galen]] is the name of a famed Greek doctor, who was first to argue that the mind was in the brain, not the heart. This may be construed as irony, given Tyrol's part in the ongoing story.
*Tyrol's first name, Galen, was first revealed in Ron D. Moore's blog during Season 1, but it is not mentioned on screen until the Season 2 episode "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]".
*While it may be a coincidence, Tyrol's forename, Galen, is one of the series' many homages (intentional or otherwise) to the ''[[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes|Planet of the Apes]]'' franchise. Galen was the name of [[Wikipedia:Roddy McDowall|Roddy McDowall]]'s character in [[Wikipedia:Planet of the Apes (TV series)|the 1974 television series]] which, like ''Battlestar Galactica'', featured human military astronauts surveying post-apocolyptic Earth. (''See also'' [[Gaius Baltar#Notes|Baltar's forename & roles]], the [[Revelations#Earth|end of "Revelations"]], [[Leoben Conoy]] [[Sometimes a Great Notion#Noteworthy_Dialogue|quoting Dr. Zaius]] in "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]", the two hybrids' characterisation of [[Kara Thrace]] as "[[The Destiny#The_Hybrids.27_Warnings|The harbinger of death]]", ''inter alia'').
*[[Wikipedia:Tyrol|Tyrol]] (or Tirol) is the name of a region divided between western Austria and northern Italy.
*Ron Moore explains in the DVD commentary for the [[Miniseries]] that Chief Tyrol was originally supposed to be a fairly small role, and in the first script of the Miniseries he only had about 15 lines. However, Aaron Douglas was so good at ad libbing new lines for scenes as production moved forward that Moore kept writing him into a bigger character. Going into Season 1, Tyrol would originally have been defined by his relationship to Boomer, with suspicion that she might be a Cylon only coming out towards the end of the season. However, instead of this, Boomer and Tyrol's relationship becomes strained and ends early in Season 1, with Tyrol being expanded to a character that is not defined solely by Boomer.
*No Exit's revelations may answer how he was able to sense the Temple of Five: it was built by the Thirteenth Tribe and the Final Five visited it on their way to the Twelve Colonies. Tyrol's blocked Cylon memories may have subconciously guided him there as he did know its location in the blocked memories.

=== Rank Notes ===

Tyrol was originally and currently a [[wikipedia:Senior Chief Petty Officer|Senior Chief Petty Officer]]<ref name="rank_status"/> then demoted to [[wikipedia:Specialist_(rank)|Specialist]] in "[[Escape Velocity|Escape Velocity]]". Tyrol was put into inactivation after his discovery as a Cylon in "[[Revelations]]". He was made Senior Chief Petty Officer once again in "[[No Exit]]". However, he has been placed under arrest for his role in the escape of [[Sharon Valerii]] and her abduction of [[Hera Agathon]].

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User talk:Bradtem

2007-04-11T22:55:12Z

Saforrest: /* Re: Final five */

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== Recent contribution ==

Hi there. I removed a recent edit that you added in the article on [[Earth]].

<blockquote>''It is worth noting that it's a very strongly established scientific fact that humans come from Earth. All life on Earth is closely related, and has been here for billions of years -- as has been revealed by DNA sequencing done after the original Galactica. Indeed humans share over a quarter of their genes with Earth plants. A story depicting Earth humanity as descended from a tribe from another planet would be in serious contradiction with scientific reality. Of course, this sometimes happens in SF TV.''</blockquote>

The scientist's findings have a bias in that we haven't anything (or anywhere) to compare their results to. While I understand that genetics connect the human race, official sources for the show indicate that viewers must not assume that the Earth in the series is that of our relative past, present, or future. Therefore we should not make [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|inappropriate speculation]] until the series writers define more for us. You might want to visit the [[Sacred Scrolls]] article for what other contributors have derived regarding the multi-exodus theory based on what's been presented in the show thus far. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent rollback ==

Hi Bradtem. I rolled back your contribution to the article [[Temple of Five]]. Your edits simply expanded on the brief descriptions there without giving any new specifics on the article's subject, which goes against our status quo policy of not repeating or creating episode narratives in an article unnecessarily: that's what the episode article itself ([[Rapture]]) is for. One unrelated matter: to make easier for others to know who we replying to in talk contributions, be sure to enter your signature after your comment. You can use two hyphens and four tildes (<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>) or you can use the signature button at the top of the page that appears while you edit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:30, 1 February 2007 (CST)

I am wondering why the fact I added (that there are 6 drapes and 5 cylons with one drape standing empty, which is not documented elsewhere) is not germane to the question of the temple or opera house. (I just noticed there are 8 drapes in the Baltar/6 version of the Opera house, 7+1?) The note about Tyrol's hesitation is documented in the episode summary, but I felt what is written in the Temple article leaves out something important about the Temple - Tyrol's emotional bond to it, which starts with his unexplained compulsion for him, the only person who will recognize it, to walk into the mountains. Why did you feel so strongly that these are not important facts to document about the temple? --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:20, 1 February 2007 (CST)

== My personal fanwank ==

I won't post the text here, but if you want to read my imagined timeline for a grand unified theory of the history of Earth, Kobol, the Cylons (versions 1, 2 and 3) and the rest, it's on my web site at http://www.templetons.com/brad/battlestar.html.

No real spoilers past Rapture. Unless you consider speculation on future episodes as spoilers.

== Re: [[Final five]] ==
Thanks for your note, Bradterm. Actually, I hadn't forgotten Shelly Godfrey ([[Talk:Humanoid_Cylon_speculation#The_Eight_Cylons_in_the_fleet|I even mentioned her myself elsewhere]]), but I just don't think we can assume she was wtill with the fleet at the time of Boomer's statement. In addition to the question of whether she was real at all (raised in the [[Shelly Godfrey]] article), there's the fact of her mysterious disappearance, along with the difficulty of her remaining hidden in the fleet after the widespread circulation of her photograph.

Frankly, I don't think we can conclude a lot about this unknown Cylon, if it exists. I would guess it is either Godfrey or a copy of Simon (he was the only one of the 12 who hadn't either had his cover blown or had a copy with the fleet already). I've reworded the statement on [[Final five]] to reflect this uncertainty, though I've left in a reference to Godfrey as a possible candidate. Later, --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 17:54, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Bradtem

2007-04-11T22:54:55Z

Saforrest: /* Re: Final five */

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
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== Recent contribution ==

Hi there. I removed a recent edit that you added in the article on [[Earth]].

<blockquote>''It is worth noting that it's a very strongly established scientific fact that humans come from Earth. All life on Earth is closely related, and has been here for billions of years -- as has been revealed by DNA sequencing done after the original Galactica. Indeed humans share over a quarter of their genes with Earth plants. A story depicting Earth humanity as descended from a tribe from another planet would be in serious contradiction with scientific reality. Of course, this sometimes happens in SF TV.''</blockquote>

The scientist's findings have a bias in that we haven't anything (or anywhere) to compare their results to. While I understand that genetics connect the human race, official sources for the show indicate that viewers must not assume that the Earth in the series is that of our relative past, present, or future. Therefore we should not make [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|inappropriate speculation]] until the series writers define more for us. You might want to visit the [[Sacred Scrolls]] article for what other contributors have derived regarding the multi-exodus theory based on what's been presented in the show thus far. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent rollback ==

Hi Bradtem. I rolled back your contribution to the article [[Temple of Five]]. Your edits simply expanded on the brief descriptions there without giving any new specifics on the article's subject, which goes against our status quo policy of not repeating or creating episode narratives in an article unnecessarily: that's what the episode article itself ([[Rapture]]) is for. One unrelated matter: to make easier for others to know who we replying to in talk contributions, be sure to enter your signature after your comment. You can use two hyphens and four tildes (<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>) or you can use the signature button at the top of the page that appears while you edit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:30, 1 February 2007 (CST)

I am wondering why the fact I added (that there are 6 drapes and 5 cylons with one drape standing empty, which is not documented elsewhere) is not germane to the question of the temple or opera house. (I just noticed there are 8 drapes in the Baltar/6 version of the Opera house, 7+1?) The note about Tyrol's hesitation is documented in the episode summary, but I felt what is written in the Temple article leaves out something important about the Temple - Tyrol's emotional bond to it, which starts with his unexplained compulsion for him, the only person who will recognize it, to walk into the mountains. Why did you feel so strongly that these are not important facts to document about the temple? --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:20, 1 February 2007 (CST)

== My personal fanwank ==

I won't post the text here, but if you want to read my imagined timeline for a grand unified theory of the history of Earth, Kobol, the Cylons (versions 1, 2 and 3) and the rest, it's on my web site at http://www.templetons.com/brad/battlestar.html.

No real spoilers past Rapture. Unless you consider speculation on future episodes as spoilers.

== Re: [[Final five]] ==
Thanks for your note, Bradterm. Actually, I hadn't forgotten Shelly Godfrey ([[Talk:Humanoid_Cylon_speculation#The_Eight_Cylons_in_the_fleet|I even mentioned her myself elsewhere]]), but I just don't think we can assume she was wtill with the fleet at the time of Boomer's statement. In addition to the question of whether she was real at all (raised in the [[Shelly Godfrey]] article), there's the fact of her mysterious disappearance, along with the difficulty of her remaining hidden in the fleet after the widespread circulation of her photograph.

Frankly, I don't think we can conclude a lot about this unknown Cylon, if it exists. I would guess it is either Godfrey or a copy of Simon (he was the only one of the 12 who hadn't either had his cover blown or had a copy with the fleet already). I've reworded the statement on [[Final five]] to reflect this uncertainly, though I've left in a reference to Godfrey as a possible candidate. Later, --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 17:54, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Bradtem

2007-04-11T22:54:06Z

Saforrest: /* My personal fanwank */

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==
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We look forward to your contributions to the community!
--[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 13:43, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent contribution ==

Hi there. I removed a recent edit that you added in the article on [[Earth]].

<blockquote>''It is worth noting that it's a very strongly established scientific fact that humans come from Earth. All life on Earth is closely related, and has been here for billions of years -- as has been revealed by DNA sequencing done after the original Galactica. Indeed humans share over a quarter of their genes with Earth plants. A story depicting Earth humanity as descended from a tribe from another planet would be in serious contradiction with scientific reality. Of course, this sometimes happens in SF TV.''</blockquote>

The scientist's findings have a bias in that we haven't anything (or anywhere) to compare their results to. While I understand that genetics connect the human race, official sources for the show indicate that viewers must not assume that the Earth in the series is that of our relative past, present, or future. Therefore we should not make [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|inappropriate speculation]] until the series writers define more for us. You might want to visit the [[Sacred Scrolls]] article for what other contributors have derived regarding the multi-exodus theory based on what's been presented in the show thus far. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent rollback ==

Hi Bradtem. I rolled back your contribution to the article [[Temple of Five]]. Your edits simply expanded on the brief descriptions there without giving any new specifics on the article's subject, which goes against our status quo policy of not repeating or creating episode narratives in an article unnecessarily: that's what the episode article itself ([[Rapture]]) is for. One unrelated matter: to make easier for others to know who we replying to in talk contributions, be sure to enter your signature after your comment. You can use two hyphens and four tildes (<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>) or you can use the signature button at the top of the page that appears while you edit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:30, 1 February 2007 (CST)

I am wondering why the fact I added (that there are 6 drapes and 5 cylons with one drape standing empty, which is not documented elsewhere) is not germane to the question of the temple or opera house. (I just noticed there are 8 drapes in the Baltar/6 version of the Opera house, 7+1?) The note about Tyrol's hesitation is documented in the episode summary, but I felt what is written in the Temple article leaves out something important about the Temple - Tyrol's emotional bond to it, which starts with his unexplained compulsion for him, the only person who will recognize it, to walk into the mountains. Why did you feel so strongly that these are not important facts to document about the temple? --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:20, 1 February 2007 (CST)

== My personal fanwank ==

I won't post the text here, but if you want to read my imagined timeline for a grand unified theory of the history of Earth, Kobol, the Cylons (versions 1, 2 and 3) and the rest, it's on my web site at http://www.templetons.com/brad/battlestar.html.

No real spoilers past Rapture. Unless you consider speculation on future episodes as spoilers.

== Re: [[Final five]] ==
Thanks for your note, Bradterm. Actually, I hadn't forgotten Shelly Godfrey ([[Talk:Humanoid_Cylon_speculation#The_Eight_Cylons_in_the_fleet|I even mentioned her myself elsewhere]]), but I just don't think we can assume she was wtill with the fleet at the time of Boomer's statement. In addition to the question of whether she was real at all (raised in the [[Shelly Godfrey]] article), there's the fact of her mysterious disappearance, along with the difficulty of her remaining hidden in the fleet after the widespread circulation of her photograph.

Frankly, I don't think we conclude a lot about this unknown Cylon, if it exists. I would guess it is either Godfrey or a copy of Simon, since Simon was the only one of the 12 who hadn't either had his cover blown or had a copy with the fleet already. I've reworded the statement on [[Final five]] to reflect this uncertainly, though I've left in a reference to Godfrey as a possible candidate. Later, --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 17:54, 11 April 2007 (CDT)

Final Five

2007-04-11T22:37:52Z

Saforrest: amend Bradterm's edit (I don't think we can assume Shelly Godfrey remained with the fleet)

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[[Image:TheFinalFive.JPG|right|thumb|300px|The Final Five in the Kobol Opera House]]
The term "'''final five'''" collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the Humanoid Cylon models.

[[Caprica-Six]], when asked by Gaius Baltar about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]).

==The unauthorized quest for the Five==

A [[Number Three]] copy, whom [[Gaius Baltar]] calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the final five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).

One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and the twelfth and final Cylon. ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

[[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]
Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.

The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers ("[[The Passage]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. D'Anna steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise "You... forgive me... I had no idea." She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She tells Baltar, "You were right," but dies before answering about what, or telling him what she saw. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day.

In a rather striking irony, as the Three sacrifices all to see the Final Five, [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] are just outside the Temple, being shot at by her centurions. Only because Tyrol delays firing off explosives left in the temple does she get a chance to stand within it at activation.

Although four of the final five have been revealed ([[Crossroads, Part II]]), the identity of the person she recognized remains a mystery ([[Rapture]]).

==Awareness of the Five by other seven Cylons==
Caprica Six indicates that the Cylons do not speak of the Five, but she knows how many there are. [[D'Anna Biers]] also indicates to Baltar that they do not discuss the Five. A [[Cavil]] realizes in the [[Temple of Five]] that D'Anna is attempting to see the Final Five, and not simply seeking [[Earth]]. He tells her "That can't happen" and points a gun at her to stop her, but is shot by Baltar. Later, a Cavil explains that because of her obsession her entire line will be [[boxing|boxed]] ([[Rapture]]).

A [[Leoben Conoy]] claims that "Adama is a Cylon" though neither Adama is one of the other six Cylons he should know. If an Adama were a member of the final five, Leoben should not, in theory, know this. It is commonly believed that he is lying ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The [[Boomer]] copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Among the individuals now known to be Cylons in the Fleet at the time are Boomer herself, [[D'Anna Biers]], [[Cavil]], [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], and [[Tory Foster]]. ([[Samuel Anders]] is on Caprica.) This leaves two Cylons unaccounted for: one is presumably the last member of the Final Five, while the other may be [[Shelly Godfrey]] (if she remained with the fleet) or another unrevealed copy of the original seven. In theory Boomer should have no knowledge of the particular whereabouts of the Final Five members. The number may be a guess, or a lie, or she may actually have some (possibly subconscious) knowledge of the number of Cylons in the Fleet ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A [[Three]] and the resurrected Boomer on Caprica, don't recognize Anders as a Cylon and refer to him as human ([[Downloaded]]).

While [[Centurion]]s are programmed to recognize and obey the [[humanoid Cylon]]s, on a number of occasions they shoot at members of the final five, including at Tyrol on Kobol, and Anders both on Caprica and outside the Temple of Five, and most members during the exodus from [[New Caprica]].

Both [[Caprica Six]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] share a dream vision in which the glowing, white-robed figures of the final five are shown in the [[Opera House]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

==Four Revealed==
As the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], four people begin hearing an [[The Music|unusual melody]] on wireless radio: these four are Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering its mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the final five. The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven. In particular, Colonel Tigh's friendship with William Adama stretches back to shortly after the end of the first Cylon War and in an interview<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm|title=Post-Gazette Moore interview}}</ref> RDM states Tigh "fought in two wars." ([[Crossroads, Part II]])

<gallery>
Image:Tyrol Cylon.jpg|[[Galen Tyrol]]
Image:Anders_Cylon.jpg|[[Samuel Anders]]
Image:Tighlon.jpg|[[Saul Tigh]]
Image:Tory Cylon.JPG|[[Tory Foster]]
</gallery>

===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===

*The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, "Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken". This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a "jealous god".

*On [[New Caprica]], D'Anna/Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.

*With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

===The Eye of Jupiter and Kara Thrace===

*The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that "doodled" a circular image as a child with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, "[[Valley of Darkness]]"), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophecy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an unexplained "destiny" ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

===Illusion or Truth===

*The threes hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.

*Later, in dream visions of the [[Opera House]] shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear, along with the same chamber with six drapes, this time empty. Six sees them for a more prolonged period in a second vision.

*As the Temple of Five was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not D'Anna/Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the "chosen one". The human association and significance of the five priests, the god they worshiped, and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.

==Notes==

* The podcast for "[[Rapture]]" confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]]<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}</ref>.
* During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Final Five

2007-04-11T17:16:40Z

Saforrest: remove "they do not hit them": Tyrol was hit on Kobol

{{s3cleanup}}

[[Image:TheFinalFive.JPG|right|thumb|300px|The Final Five in the Kobol Opera House]]
The term "'''final five'''" collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the Humanoid Cylon models.

[[Caprica-Six]], when asked by Gaius Baltar about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]).

==The unauthorized quest for the Five==

A [[Number Three]] copy, whom [[Gaius Baltar]] calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the final five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).

One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and the twelfth and final Cylon. ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

[[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]
Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.

The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers ("[[The Passage]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. D'Anna steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise "You... forgive me... I had no idea." She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She tells Baltar, "You were right," but dies before answering about what, or telling him what she saw. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day.

In a rather striking irony, as the Three sacrifices all to see the Final Five, [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] are just outside the Temple, being shot at by her centurions. Only because Tyrol delays firing off explosives left in the temple does she get a chance to stand within it at activation.

Although four of the final five have been revealed ([[Crossroads, Part II]]), the identity of the person she recognized remains a mystery ([[Rapture]]).

==Awareness of the Five by other seven Cylons==
Caprica Six indicates that the Cylons do not speak of the Five, but she knows how many there are. [[D'Anna Biers]] also indicates to Baltar that they do not discuss the Five. A [[Cavil]] realizes in the [[Temple of Five]] that D'Anna is attempting to see the Final Five, and not simply seeking [[Earth]]. He tells her "That can't happen" and points a gun at her to stop her, but is shot by Baltar. Later, a Cavil explains that because of her obsession her entire line will be [[boxing|boxed]] ([[Rapture]]).

A [[Leoben Conoy]] claims that "Adama is a Cylon" though neither Adama is one of the other six Cylons he should know. If an Adama were a member of the final five, Leoben should not, in theory, know this. It is commonly believed that he is lying ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The [[Boomer]] copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Among the individuals now known to be Cylons in the fleet at the time are Boomer herself, [[D'Anna Biers]], [[Cavil]], [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], and [[Tory Foster]]. (Neither [[Samuel Anders]] or [[Gina]] had yet arrived at this time.) This leaves two Cylons unaccounted for, of which one is presumably the final member of the Final five. The number may be a guess, or a lie, or she may actually have some (possibly subconscious) knowledge of the number of Cylons in the Fleet ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A [[Three]] and the resurrected Boomer on Caprica, don't recognize Anders as a Cylon and refer to him as human ([[Downloaded]]).

While [[Centurion]]s are programmed to recognize and obey the [[humanoid Cylon]]s, on a number of occasions they shoot at members of the final five, including at Tyrol on Kobol, and Anders both on Caprica and outside the Temple of Five, and most members during the exodus from [[New Caprica]].

Both [[Caprica Six]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] share a dream vision in which the glowing, white-robed figures of the final five are shown in the [[Opera House]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

==Four Revealed==
As the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], four people begin hearing an [[The Music|unusual melody]] on wireless radio: these four are Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering its mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the final five. The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven. In particular, Colonel Tigh's friendship with William Adama stretches back to shortly after the end of the first Cylon War and in an interview<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm|title=Post-Gazette Moore interview}}</ref> RDM states Tigh "fought in two wars." ([[Crossroads, Part II]])

<gallery>
Image:Tyrol Cylon.jpg|[[Galen Tyrol]]
Image:Anders_Cylon.jpg|[[Samuel Anders]]
Image:Tighlon.jpg|[[Saul Tigh]]
Image:Tory Cylon.JPG|[[Tory Foster]]
</gallery>

===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===

*The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, "Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken". This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a "jealous god".

*On [[New Caprica]], D'Anna/Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.

*With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

===The Eye of Jupiter and Kara Thrace===

*The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that "doodled" a circular image as a child with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, "[[Valley of Darkness]]"), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophecy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an unexplained "destiny" ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

===Illusion or Truth===

*The threes hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.

*Later, in dream visions of the [[Opera House]] shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear, along with the same chamber with six drapes, this time empty. Six sees them for a more prolonged period in a second vision.

*As the Temple of Five was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not D'Anna/Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the "chosen one". The human association and significance of the five priests, the god they worshiped, and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.

==Notes==

* The podcast for "[[Rapture]]" confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]]<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}</ref>.
* During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Final Five

2007-04-11T17:14:53Z

Saforrest: rewrite section analyzing the eight Cylons (as written, it was incorrect)

{{s3cleanup}}

[[Image:TheFinalFive.JPG|right|thumb|300px|The Final Five in the Kobol Opera House]]
The term "'''final five'''" collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the Humanoid Cylon models.

[[Caprica-Six]], when asked by Gaius Baltar about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]).

==The unauthorized quest for the Five==

A [[Number Three]] copy, whom [[Gaius Baltar]] calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the final five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).

One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and the twelfth and final Cylon. ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

[[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]
Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.

The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers ("[[The Passage]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. D'Anna steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise "You... forgive me... I had no idea." She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She tells Baltar, "You were right," but dies before answering about what, or telling him what she saw. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day.

In a rather striking irony, as the Three sacrifices all to see the Final Five, [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] are just outside the Temple, being shot at by her centurions. Only because Tyrol delays firing off explosives left in the temple does she get a chance to stand within it at activation.

Although four of the final five have been revealed ([[Crossroads, Part II]]), the identity of the person she recognized remains a mystery ([[Rapture]]).

==Awareness of the Five by other seven Cylons==
Caprica Six indicates that the Cylons do not speak of the Five, but she knows how many there are. [[D'Anna Biers]] also indicates to Baltar that they do not discuss the Five. A [[Cavil]] realizes in the [[Temple of Five]] that D'Anna is attempting to see the Final Five, and not simply seeking [[Earth]]. He tells her "That can't happen" and points a gun at her to stop her, but is shot by Baltar. Later, a Cavil explains that because of her obsession her entire line will be [[boxing|boxed]] ([[Rapture]]).

A [[Leoben Conoy]] claims that "Adama is a Cylon" though neither Adama is one of the other six Cylons he should know. If an Adama were a member of the final five, Leoben should not, in theory, know this. It is commonly believed that he is lying ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The [[Boomer]] copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Among the individuals now known to be Cylons in the fleet at the time are Boomer herself, [[D'Anna Biers]], [[Cavil]], [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], and [[Tory Foster]]. (Neither [[Samuel Anders]] or [[Gina]] had yet arrived at this time.) This leaves two Cylons unaccounted for, of which one is presumably the final member of the Final five. The number may be a guess, or a lie, or she may actually have some (possibly subconscious) knowledge of the number of Cylons in the Fleet ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A [[Three]] and the resurrected Boomer on Caprica, don't recognize Anders as a Cylon and refer to him as human ([[Downloaded]]).

While [[Centurion]]s are programmed to recognize and obey the [[humanoid Cylon]]s, on a number of occasions they shoot at members of the final five, including Anders both on Caprica and outside the Temple of Five, and most members during the exodus from [[New Caprica]]. However, they do not hit them.

Both [[Caprica Six]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] share a dream vision in which the glowing, white-robed figures of the final five are shown in the [[Opera House]] ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

==Four Revealed==
As the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], four people begin hearing an [[The Music|unusual melody]] on wireless radio: these four are Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering its mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the final five. The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven. In particular, Colonel Tigh's friendship with William Adama stretches back to shortly after the end of the first Cylon War and in an interview<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm|title=Post-Gazette Moore interview}}</ref> RDM states Tigh "fought in two wars." ([[Crossroads, Part II]])

<gallery>
Image:Tyrol Cylon.jpg|[[Galen Tyrol]]
Image:Anders_Cylon.jpg|[[Samuel Anders]]
Image:Tighlon.jpg|[[Saul Tigh]]
Image:Tory Cylon.JPG|[[Tory Foster]]
</gallery>

===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===

*The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, "Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken". This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a "jealous god".

*On [[New Caprica]], D'Anna/Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.

*With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

===The Eye of Jupiter and Kara Thrace===

*The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that "doodled" a circular image as a child with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, "[[Valley of Darkness]]"), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophecy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an unexplained "destiny" ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

===Illusion or Truth===

*The threes hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.

*Later, in dream visions of the [[Opera House]] shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear, along with the same chamber with six drapes, this time empty. Six sees them for a more prolonged period in a second vision.

*As the Temple of Five was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not D'Anna/Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the "chosen one". The human association and significance of the five priests, the god they worshiped, and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.

==Notes==

* The podcast for "[[Rapture]]" confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]]<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}</ref>.
* During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.

==References==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Case Orange

2007-03-31T00:16:40Z

Saforrest:

:''For the contingency news blog used for news in the event of a Battlestar Wiki server outage, see [http://bswiki.woo-yay.net/ The Case Orange blog].''

The '''Case Orange'''<ref>In "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]", [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]]'s codeword for [[Jack Fisk|Colonel Fisk]] to assassinate [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] was "Execute case orange." It is likely that both Cain and Fisk were aware of the phrase's significance. However, in the commentary for this episode, RDM says he used the name as reference to a strategic plan against Japan during World War II.</ref> automated beacon is a Colonial [[Government]] technology designed to ensure a working government in the wake of a catastrophic event.

In the latter part of the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon's]] [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|surprise attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]] speaks with a fellow official on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] known only as "[[Jack]]", who tells that he is unsure of President [[Richard Adar]]'s whereabouts during the attack, but notes that the president offered a complete unconditional surrender to the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] after the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]] and the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] installations and ships located there were bombarded with nuclear bombs. The Cylons did not respond to the surrender request. Roslin does not hear from any other government officials after her conversation with Jack is interrupted when the starliner is attacked with a Cylon missile.

Later, the transport's captain picks up an automated [[wireless]] message in the cockpit of his stranded [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprican]] [[Intersun|transport]], ''[[Colonial One|Colonial Heavy 798]]'':

:'''"This is an official Colonial Government broadcast. All ministers and officials should now go to Case Orange. Repeat: This is an official Colonial Government broadcast. All ministers and officials should now go to Case Orange."''' – {{audio|Case Orange broadcast.mp3|listen}}<ref>In an early draft of the final script, the Case Orange message is shown as: ''"This is an official notification broadcast as per section 35, article 17 of the Emergency Continuity of Government Act. All ministers, department secretaries, and division heads now go to Case Orange.''" While this information is not quite [[Canon|canonical]], it reinforces the measures that the Colonial Government would do to ensure its survival--which suggests that the first [[Cylon War]] may have nearly brought the earlier government to its knees in a similar crisis.</ref>

Laura Roslin sits in the cockpit with the transport's pilots and [[Lee Adama]], their startled faces looking to her for an explanation. She tells the group that this automated message is designed to be broadcast should the [[Richard Adar|President]] of the Twelve Colonies, the Vice President and most of the Colonial Cabinet be killed or incapacitated.

She instructs the captain of the ship to acknowledge the message by sending her government ID code (D-456-345-A) on the same frequency as the message. Roslin leaves the cockpit and awaits the return response. Presumably, the Case Orange system gathers the IDs of all government officials, then determines who becomes the new President by level of succession and where to contact him/her and any remaining officials.

[[Lee Adama|Captain Lee Adama]] sits with Roslin in the passenger area and asks how far down she ranks in the government presidential succession. She replies she is 43rd in succession,<ref>Roslin's stated position in the line of succession - 43rd - is many places below that of the US Secretary of Education - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession 16th]. There is almost no information provided by the regular series to explain the number of officials between the President and the office of Secretary of Education.</ref> commenting with sadness that she personally knew all 42 individuals above her from the President on down, most having served with President [[Richard Adar]] in his past administration and when he was a mayor.

The ship's captain returns to Roslin with the printed response from the automated beacon. Out of the 42 other government officials above her, apparently only she has responded to the automated message since its activation.<ref>It is not stated whether there were other officials lower in the succession order than Roslin, but it can be presumed from the Case Orange result that they are unable to respond as well, effectively removing them from consideration. It may be presumed that the Case Orange beacon had been running for some time after the attacks began, yet no others had responded to its message, since Roslin receives a response from the beacon fairly quickly. The Case Orange system may determine that assignment of a President is conditional to the length of time since its activation. The longer the beacon is seeking out officials without response, the quicker it responds and assigns a President to ensure a working government.</ref>

After the ship's captain retrieves a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Clergy|priest]] on board, [[Elosha]], Roslin is sworn in as the new President of the Twelve Colonies<ref>Based on information given in the episodes "[[Bastille Day]]" and "[[Colonial Day]]", the Case Orange process assigned Roslin the remainder of President Adar's term. Roslin is eventually succeeded by Fleet election by [[Gaius Baltar]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).</ref>, surrounded by reporters that accompanied her to [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' for the tour of the education facilities of the new museum there and for the battlestar's decommissioning ceremonies, mere hours before the Cylon attack began.

[[Image:Lbjswearing.jpg|thumb|left|175px|U.S. President Johnson's swearing-in aboard Air Force One in 1963.]]
[[Image:Roslin_swearing_in.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The eerie swearing-in of President Laura Roslin.]]
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:''The mood and the appearance of the ceremony was deliberately scripted to resemble the [http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/lbjforkids/oath.shtm swearing-in ceremony of U.S. President Lyndon Johnson aboard ''Air Force One''] after the assassination of President [[w:JFK|John F. Kennedy]] in November 1963.''
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As Roslin's first act as President of the Twelve Colonies, she begins the task of locating other stranded civilian and military ships in the space surrounding Caprica. The ship's captain changes the ship's call sign to ''[[Colonial One]]'' in recognition of the presence of the new President on board ([[Miniseries, Night 1]]).
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Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

2007-03-31T00:06:09Z

Saforrest:

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==Archived Page==
I had to archive this page as it was three times larger than some browsers could read. I know that this is a very popular page, but please limit the discussion to the criteria and reasoning behind a character's suspicion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:04, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Romo Lampkin's entry ==

I truncated Lampkin's entry to its basic points and moved him to "low' probability. By the nature of the show, almost ''everyone'' is a suspect. Lampkin's demeanor is suspicious, but so is/was [[Tom Zarek]], [[Phelan]], [[Valance]], and many, many other antagonists in the show. "Creepy" is not a qualifier, per se. The point of association with Joseph Adama is of particular note for possibie disqualification if we can verify his time of death. Based on conversations with the surviving Adamas, it appears that the senior Adama died some time (>2 years) before the Cylon genocide, but we can't verify a time. If anything, for someone who actually ''knew'' Joseph Adama to be a survivor of the Fleet, like [[Ellen Tigh]]'s mysterious rescue, is a matter of question. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Statement on Death ==

I have changed the following line:

<blockquote>''As only a humanoid Cylon can "return" from the dead, any human character that dies is instantly disqualified from suspicion. If the character returns in a manner other than being seen in a "flashback" scene or episode, then it is <strike>probable</strike> <u>possible</u> that the character is a Cylon.''</blockquote>

The reason for this is due to the return of Starbuck, who due to her arrival and Apollo's reaction, we are not sure if she is human, Cylon, or even a delusion in his mind at this time.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 21:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

==All Males Should Be In Low Probability==
I think we should consider all male suspects to be in the lowest possible suspicion level since the number of males is already greater than that of females, and I doubt they would go as far as unbalancing it even more. Doesn't mean they can't be, but it does mean it's a lot less probable that they are Cylons. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:Three's drawings were of three males and two females, yes? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:36, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
::I can't really tell, but I'm mainly basing my comment on the fact that it would be extremely disproportionate to have 8 Males and 4 females....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:41, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Maybe it's meant to be the reverse of the human female to male ratio, where it's (as the Beach Boys have said) "two girls for every boy....". Seriously, there may be a reason why such a disparity exists, and in any case, I'm not sure that gender plays a factor in how things will transpire, as it hasn't played a factor in how things have happened thus far.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:13, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Kara Thrace==
According to Katee Sackhoff she was one of the few actors told she wasn't a Cylon.([http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8547/redeye3copyci7.jpg Source]) I think this statement is enough to remove her from the list because Ronald D. Moore has already made up his mind as to who the fifth Cylon is (see note at the article about the [[Final five]]). --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 09:32, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Major Revision Needed==
I think this page should be replaced with an article concerning the remaining twelfth Cylon specifically. No character should be admitted to speculation without some sort of affirmative cause for suspicion - straight off the top of my head, that would include just Starbuck and Roslin. We should also re-evaluate our elimination criteria:
*Obviously biological offspring can no longer eliminate a character from suspicion, unless their partner is known to be a Cylon.
*Humanoid Cylons existed at least as early as 30 years prior to the third season, since that's how long Adama has known Tigh.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:14, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

== Suggested name for the last Cylon "#1" ==

OK, we don't actually know the numbers of any of the new 4 Cylons or even for Simon and Cavil, and RDM has said they were essentially assigned at random.

But I'm proposing a fun name, in homage to the Prisoner, for the last Cylon on the wiki should be #1. Since I would be really, really surprised if that is not indeed the number and role of this last Cylon anyway. Better than "12th Cylon" though I guess "Final Cylon" is OK. Strictly speaking, RDM could create more than 12 but for now that's how many he's said are there. Of course, there is another possible special Cylon out there, namely a humanoid incarnation of the Cylon God, a Cylon Jesus if you will. (I would pick Baltar as this -- not a Cylon, but much more.)

Or are people against #1 as a designation on the off chance that might not turn out to be its number?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:03, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:While the ''Prisoner'' reference is valid, I think it'd probably be jumping the gun to assign a number. "Final Cylon" is OK for now, I guess. Especially as it relates to "Final Five". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:37, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== The Eight Cylons in the fleet ==
While recogizing this isn't a chat forum, I think the following is reasonable fodder for speculation. You'll remember in ''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'' that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] said there were eight Cylons in the fleet. Assuming that she somehow had access to this information despite not being able to identify any of the Final Five or even all of the original seven, let's try to reconcile this with present knowledge.

Cylons who are ''not'' in the fleet at the time include [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], and [[Gina]], as they arrived later. Those now known to Cylons who were in the fleet at the time are:

*Boomer herself
*[[D'Anna Biers]]
*The [[Cavil]] copy who later counselled Tyrol
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tory Foster]]
*[[Galen Tyrol]]

You'll notice this totals to six. Of the remaining two, one is probably the final unrevealed Final Fiver. Note this suggests that this Cylon is not [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], since she was on Caprica at the time.

As for the other, my best guess is [[Shelly Godfrey]], though if so she'd been hiding superbly well. I suppose there could also have been a [[Simon]] lurking about somewhere, though if so we ought to have been told after his cover was blown when Starbuck returned. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 09:56, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:There may still have been a Simon hanging around somewhere, Starbuck didn't exactly take a picture of him. In a 45k-population, avoiding one person is not that hard to do. Also keep in mind that D'Anna wasn't unmasked upon Anders' return for the same reason. Both could've easily avoided Anders' resistance group during the year on New Caprica, after which they'd blend in with the other Cylons during the occupation. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:40, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
::Since the 7 know nothing of the identities or activites of the five, she _should_ have just been guessing. Sharon would know the total count of 12, but should have had no reason to know Anders was on Caprica and four others were on board, unless we have been incorrectly informed about their non-knowledge of the F5. #3 and #6 certainly know nothing of them besides their count.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:55, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:::She might've known how many of the Five there were, after all the reason why the Seven don't know their faces is because of their programming. Baltar was seriously messing with Boomer's programming, and I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to access the deepest places. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:51, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
::Well, we don't know when Biers was caught out because it happened off-camera: it could have been anytime in the year interlude during [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] between Anders' arrival till the Cylon conquest. I would assume that, for both Ander and Starbuck, the Colonials would be smart enough to sit people down after they return and at least get police composites drawn. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:05, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

2007-03-31T00:05:44Z

Saforrest:

:''For discussions prior to October 13, 2006, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cylon_agent_speculation&oldid=83992 see this revision.]

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==Archived Page==
I had to archive this page as it was three times larger than some browsers could read. I know that this is a very popular page, but please limit the discussion to the criteria and reasoning behind a character's suspicion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:04, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Romo Lampkin's entry ==

I truncated Lampkin's entry to its basic points and moved him to "low' probability. By the nature of the show, almost ''everyone'' is a suspect. Lampkin's demeanor is suspicious, but so is/was [[Tom Zarek]], [[Phelan]], [[Valance]], and many, many other antagonists in the show. "Creepy" is not a qualifier, per se. The point of association with Joseph Adama is of particular note for possibie disqualification if we can verify his time of death. Based on conversations with the surviving Adamas, it appears that the senior Adama died some time (>2 years) before the Cylon genocide, but we can't verify a time. If anything, for someone who actually ''knew'' Joseph Adama to be a survivor of the Fleet, like [[Ellen Tigh]]'s mysterious rescue, is a matter of question. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Statement on Death ==

I have changed the following line:

<blockquote>''As only a humanoid Cylon can "return" from the dead, any human character that dies is instantly disqualified from suspicion. If the character returns in a manner other than being seen in a "flashback" scene or episode, then it is <strike>probable</strike> <u>possible</u> that the character is a Cylon.''</blockquote>

The reason for this is due to the return of Starbuck, who due to her arrival and Apollo's reaction, we are not sure if she is human, Cylon, or even a delusion in his mind at this time.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 21:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

==All Males Should Be In Low Probability==
I think we should consider all male suspects to be in the lowest possible suspicion level since the number of males is already greater than that of females, and I doubt they would go as far as unbalancing it even more. Doesn't mean they can't be, but it does mean it's a lot less probable that they are Cylons. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:Three's drawings were of three males and two females, yes? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:36, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
::I can't really tell, but I'm mainly basing my comment on the fact that it would be extremely disproportionate to have 8 Males and 4 females....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:41, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Maybe it's meant to be the reverse of the human female to male ratio, where it's (as the Beach Boys have said) "two girls for every boy....". Seriously, there may be a reason why such a disparity exists, and in any case, I'm not sure that gender plays a factor in how things will transpire, as it hasn't played a factor in how things have happened thus far.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:13, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Kara Thrace==
According to Katee Sackhoff she was one of the few actors told she wasn't a Cylon.([http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8547/redeye3copyci7.jpg Source]) I think this statement is enough to remove her from the list because Ronald D. Moore has already made up his mind as to who the fifth Cylon is (see note at the article about the [[Final five]]). --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 09:32, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Major Revision Needed==
I think this page should be replaced with an article concerning the remaining twelfth Cylon specifically. No character should be admitted to speculation without some sort of affirmative cause for suspicion - straight off the top of my head, that would include just Starbuck and Roslin. We should also re-evaluate our elimination criteria:
*Obviously biological offspring can no longer eliminate a character from suspicion, unless their partner is known to be a Cylon.
*Humanoid Cylons existed at least as early as 30 years prior to the third season, since that's how long Adama has known Tigh.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:14, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

== Suggested name for the last Cylon "#1" ==

OK, we don't actually know the numbers of any of the new 4 Cylons or even for Simon and Cavil, and RDM has said they were essentially assigned at random.

But I'm proposing a fun name, in homage to the Prisoner, for the last Cylon on the wiki should be #1. Since I would be really, really surprised if that is not indeed the number and role of this last Cylon anyway. Better than "12th Cylon" though I guess "Final Cylon" is OK. Strictly speaking, RDM could create more than 12 but for now that's how many he's said are there. Of course, there is another possible special Cylon out there, namely a humanoid incarnation of the Cylon God, a Cylon Jesus if you will. (I would pick Baltar as this -- not a Cylon, but much more.)

Or are people against #1 as a designation on the off chance that might not turn out to be its number?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:03, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:While the ''Prisoner'' reference is valid, I think it'd probably be jumping the gun to assign a number. "Final Cylon" is OK for now, I guess. Especially as it relates to "Final Five". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:37, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== The Eight Cylons in the fleet ==
While recogizing this isn't a chat forum, I think the following is reasonable fodder for speculation. You'll remember in ''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'' that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] said there were eight Cylons in the fleet. Assuming that she somehow had access to this information despite not being able to identify any of the Final Five or even all of the original seven, let's try to reconcile this with present knowledge.

Cylons who are ''not'' in the fleet at the time include [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], and [[Gina]], as they arrived later. Those now known to Cylons who were in the fleet at the time are:

*Boomer herself
*[[D'Anna Biers]]
*The [[Cavil]] copy who later counselled Tyrol
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tory Foster]]
*[[Galen Tyrol]]

You'll notice this totals to six. Of the remaining two, one is probably the final unrevealed Final Fiver. Note this suggests that this Cylon is not [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], since she was on Caprica at the time.

As for the other, my best guess is [[Shelly Godfrey]], though if so she'd been hiding superbly well. I suppose there could also have been a [[Simon]] lurking about somewhere, though if so we ought to have been told after his cover was blown when Starbuck returned. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 09:56, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:There may still have been a Simon hanging around somewhere, Starbuck didn't exactly take a picture of him. In a 45k-population, avoiding one person is not that hard to do. Also keep in mind that D'Anna wasn't unmasked upon Anders' return for the same reason. Both could've easily avoided Anders' resistance group during the year on New Caprica, after which they'd blend in with the other Cylons during the occupation. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:40, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
::Since the 7 know nothing of the identities or activites of the five, she _should_ have just been guessing. Sharon would know the total count of 12, but should have had no reason to know Anders was on Caprica and four others were on board, unless we have been incorrectly informed about their non-knowledge of the F5. #3 and #6 certainly know nothing of them besides their count.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 13:55, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:::She might've known how many of the Five there were, after all the reason why the Seven don't know their faces is because of their programming. Baltar was seriously messing with Boomer's programming, and I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to access the deepest places. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:51, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, we don't know when Biers was caught out because it happened off-camera: it could have been anytime in the year interlude during [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] between Anders' arrival till the Cylon conquest. I would assume that, for both Ander and Starbuck, the Colonials would be smart enough to sit people down after they return and at least get police composites drawn. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:05, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

2007-03-29T15:12:15Z

Saforrest: /* The Eight Cylons in the fleet */

Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

2007-03-29T15:00:28Z

Saforrest: /* The Eight Cylons in the fleet */

:''For discussions prior to October 13, 2006, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cylon_agent_speculation&oldid=83992 see this revision.]

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==Archived Page==
I had to archive this page as it was three times larger than some browsers could read. I know that this is a very popular page, but please limit the discussion to the criteria and reasoning behind a character's suspicion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:04, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Romo Lampkin's entry ==

I truncated Lampkin's entry to its basic points and moved him to "low' probability. By the nature of the show, almost ''everyone'' is a suspect. Lampkin's demeanor is suspicious, but so is/was [[Tom Zarek]], [[Phelan]], [[Valance]], and many, many other antagonists in the show. "Creepy" is not a qualifier, per se. The point of association with Joseph Adama is of particular note for possibie disqualification if we can verify his time of death. Based on conversations with the surviving Adamas, it appears that the senior Adama died some time (>2 years) before the Cylon genocide, but we can't verify a time. If anything, for someone who actually ''knew'' Joseph Adama to be a survivor of the Fleet, like [[Ellen Tigh]]'s mysterious rescue, is a matter of question. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Statement on Death ==

I have changed the following line:

<blockquote>''As only a humanoid Cylon can "return" from the dead, any human character that dies is instantly disqualified from suspicion. If the character returns in a manner other than being seen in a "flashback" scene or episode, then it is <strike>probable</strike> <u>possible</u> that the character is a Cylon.''</blockquote>

The reason for this is due to the return of Starbuck, who due to her arrival and Apollo's reaction, we are not sure if she is human, Cylon, or even a delusion in his mind at this time.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 21:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

==All Males Should Be In Low Probability==
I think we should consider all male suspects to be in the lowest possible suspicion level since the number of males is already greater than that of females, and I doubt they would go as far as unbalancing it even more. Doesn't mean they can't be, but it does mean it's a lot less probable that they are Cylons. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:Three's drawings were of three males and two females, yes? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:36, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
::I can't really tell, but I'm mainly basing my comment on the fact that it would be extremely disproportionate to have 8 Males and 4 females....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:41, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Maybe it's meant to be the reverse of the human female to male ratio, where it's (as the Beach Boys have said) "two girls for every boy....". Seriously, there may be a reason why such a disparity exists, and in any case, I'm not sure that gender plays a factor in how things will transpire, as it hasn't played a factor in how things have happened thus far.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:13, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Kara Thrace==
According to Katee Sackhoff she was one of the few actors told she wasn't a Cylon.([http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8547/redeye3copyci7.jpg Source]) I think this statement is enough to remove her from the list because Ronald D. Moore has already made up his mind as to who the fifth Cylon is (see note at the article about the [[Final five]]). --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 09:32, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Major Revision Needed==
I think this page should be replaced with an article concerning the remaining twelfth Cylon specifically. No character should be admitted to speculation without some sort of affirmative cause for suspicion - straight off the top of my head, that would include just Starbuck and Roslin. We should also re-evaluate our elimination criteria:
*Obviously biological offspring can no longer eliminate a character from suspicion, unless their partner is known to be a Cylon.
*Humanoid Cylons existed at least as early as 30 years prior to the third season, since that's how long Adama has known Tigh.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:14, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

== Suggested name for the last Cylon "#1" ==

OK, we don't actually know the numbers of any of the new 4 Cylons or even for Simon and Cavil, and RDM has said they were essentially assigned at random.

But I'm proposing a fun name, in homage to the Prisoner, for the last Cylon on the wiki should be #1. Since I would be really, really surprised if that is not indeed the number and role of this last Cylon anyway. Better than "12th Cylon" though I guess "Final Cylon" is OK. Strictly speaking, RDM could create more than 12 but for now that's how many he's said are there. Of course, there is another possible special Cylon out there, namely a humanoid incarnation of the Cylon God, a Cylon Jesus if you will. (I would pick Baltar as this -- not a Cylon, but much more.)

Or are people against #1 as a designation on the off chance that might not turn out to be its number?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:03, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:While the ''Prisoner'' reference is valid, I think it'd probably be jumping the gun to assign a number. "Final Cylon" is OK for now, I guess. Especially as it relates to "Final Five". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:37, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== The Eight Cylons in the fleet ==
While recogizing this isn't a chat forum, I think the following is reasonable fodder for speculation. You'll remember in ''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'' that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] said there were eight Cylons in the fleet. Assuming that she somehow had access to this information despite not being able to identify any of the Final Five or even all of the original seven, let's try to reconcile this with present knowledge.

Cylons who are ''not'' in the fleet at the time include [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], and [[Gina]], as they arrived later. Those now known to Cylons who were in the fleet at the time are:

*Boomer herself
*[[D'Anna Biers]]
*The [[Cavil]] copy who later counselled Tyrol
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tory Foster]]
*[[Galen Tyrol]]

You'll notice this totals to six. Of the remaining two, one is probably the final unrevealed Final Fiver. Note this suggests that this Cylon is not [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], since she was on Caprica at the time.

As for the other, my best guess is [[Shelley Godfrey]], though if so she'd been hiding superbly well. I suppose there could also have been a [[Simon]] lurking about somewhere, though if so we ought to have been told after his cover was blown when Starbuck returned. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 09:56, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

2007-03-29T14:56:36Z

Saforrest: /* Suggested name for the last Cylon "#1" */

:''For discussions prior to October 13, 2006, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cylon_agent_speculation&oldid=83992 see this revision.]

:''For discussions prior to March 13, 2007, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Humanoid_Cylon_speculation&oldid=113030 see this revision.]

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==Archived Page==
I had to archive this page as it was three times larger than some browsers could read. I know that this is a very popular page, but please limit the discussion to the criteria and reasoning behind a character's suspicion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:04, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Romo Lampkin's entry ==

I truncated Lampkin's entry to its basic points and moved him to "low' probability. By the nature of the show, almost ''everyone'' is a suspect. Lampkin's demeanor is suspicious, but so is/was [[Tom Zarek]], [[Phelan]], [[Valance]], and many, many other antagonists in the show. "Creepy" is not a qualifier, per se. The point of association with Joseph Adama is of particular note for possibie disqualification if we can verify his time of death. Based on conversations with the surviving Adamas, it appears that the senior Adama died some time (>2 years) before the Cylon genocide, but we can't verify a time. If anything, for someone who actually ''knew'' Joseph Adama to be a survivor of the Fleet, like [[Ellen Tigh]]'s mysterious rescue, is a matter of question. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:54, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Statement on Death ==

I have changed the following line:

<blockquote>''As only a humanoid Cylon can "return" from the dead, any human character that dies is instantly disqualified from suspicion. If the character returns in a manner other than being seen in a "flashback" scene or episode, then it is <strike>probable</strike> <u>possible</u> that the character is a Cylon.''</blockquote>

The reason for this is due to the return of Starbuck, who due to her arrival and Apollo's reaction, we are not sure if she is human, Cylon, or even a delusion in his mind at this time.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 21:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

==All Males Should Be In Low Probability==
I think we should consider all male suspects to be in the lowest possible suspicion level since the number of males is already greater than that of females, and I doubt they would go as far as unbalancing it even more. Doesn't mean they can't be, but it does mean it's a lot less probable that they are Cylons. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:Three's drawings were of three males and two females, yes? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:36, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
::I can't really tell, but I'm mainly basing my comment on the fact that it would be extremely disproportionate to have 8 Males and 4 females....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:41, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Maybe it's meant to be the reverse of the human female to male ratio, where it's (as the Beach Boys have said) "two girls for every boy....". Seriously, there may be a reason why such a disparity exists, and in any case, I'm not sure that gender plays a factor in how things will transpire, as it hasn't played a factor in how things have happened thus far.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 00:13, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Kara Thrace==
According to Katee Sackhoff she was one of the few actors told she wasn't a Cylon.([http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8547/redeye3copyci7.jpg Source]) I think this statement is enough to remove her from the list because Ronald D. Moore has already made up his mind as to who the fifth Cylon is (see note at the article about the [[Final five]]). --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 09:32, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

==Major Revision Needed==
I think this page should be replaced with an article concerning the remaining twelfth Cylon specifically. No character should be admitted to speculation without some sort of affirmative cause for suspicion - straight off the top of my head, that would include just Starbuck and Roslin. We should also re-evaluate our elimination criteria:
*Obviously biological offspring can no longer eliminate a character from suspicion, unless their partner is known to be a Cylon.
*Humanoid Cylons existed at least as early as 30 years prior to the third season, since that's how long Adama has known Tigh.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:14, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

== Suggested name for the last Cylon "#1" ==

OK, we don't actually know the numbers of any of the new 4 Cylons or even for Simon and Cavil, and RDM has said they were essentially assigned at random.

But I'm proposing a fun name, in homage to the Prisoner, for the last Cylon on the wiki should be #1. Since I would be really, really surprised if that is not indeed the number and role of this last Cylon anyway. Better than "12th Cylon" though I guess "Final Cylon" is OK. Strictly speaking, RDM could create more than 12 but for now that's how many he's said are there. Of course, there is another possible special Cylon out there, namely a humanoid incarnation of the Cylon God, a Cylon Jesus if you will. (I would pick Baltar as this -- not a Cylon, but much more.)

Or are people against #1 as a designation on the off chance that might not turn out to be its number?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 01:03, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:While the ''Prisoner'' reference is valid, I think it'd probably be jumping the gun to assign a number. "Final Cylon" is OK for now, I guess. Especially as it relates to "Final Five". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:37, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== The Eight Cylons in the fleet ==
While recogizing this isn't a chat forum, I think the following is reasonable fodder for speculation. You'll remember in ''[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]'' that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] said there were eight Cylons in the fleet. Assuming she somehow that access to this information, despite not knowing being able to identify any of the Final Five (or even all of the original seven), let's try to reconcile this with the present information.

Cylons who are ''not'' in the fleet at the time include [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]], [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], and [[Gina]], as they arrived later. Those known to be in the fleet at the time are now:

*Boomer herself
*[[D'Anna Biers]]
*The [[Cavil]] copy who later counselled Tyrol
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tory Foster]]
*[[Galen Tyrol]]

You'll notice this totals to six. Of the remaining two, one is probably the final unrevealed Final Fiver. Note this suggests that this Cuylon is not [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], since she was on Caprica at the time.

As for the other, my best guess is [[Shelley Godfrey]], though if so she'd been hiding superbly well. I suppose there could also have been a Simon lurking about somewhere, though if so we ought to have been told after his cover was blown when Starbuck returned. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 09:56, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

Final Five

2007-03-27T21:01:29Z

Saforrest: /* Four Revealed */

[[Image:Final Five.jpg|right|thumb|300px|D'Anna's vision shows five white-robed figures between each banner ([[Rapture]]) '''Note''': This picture is a production still and is in no way indicative of the identities of the Final Five. No official source has confirmed the identities of these stand-in actors.]]
The term "'''final five'''" collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the Humanoid Cylon models.

[[Caprica-Six]], when asked by Gaius Baltar about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]).

==The unauthorized quest for the Five==

A [[Number Three]] copy, whom [[Gaius Baltar]] calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the final five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).

One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and twelfth and final Cylon, [[w:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan]]. ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

[[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]
Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.

The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers ("[[The Passage]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. D'Anna steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise "You... forgive me... I had no idea." She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She dies before she can tell Baltar what she saw. She tells Baltar, "You were right," but dies before answering about what. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day.

Although four of the final five have been revealed ([[Crossroads, Part II]]), the identity of the person she recognized remains a mystery ([[Rapture]]).

==Four Revealed==
As [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], four people begin hearing an [[The Music|unusual melody]] on wireless radio: these four are Colonel [[Saul Tig h]], Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering it's mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the final five. The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven, as Col. Tigh in particular has been alive for over 60 years and is a well documented veteran of the first [[Cylon War]], at a time when the humanoid Cylons known to mankind supposedly did not exist.

===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===

*The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, "Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken". This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a "jealous god".

*On [[New Caprica]], D'Anna/Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.

*With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

===The Eye of Jupiter and Kara Thrace===

*The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that "doodled" a circular image as a child with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, "[[Valley of Darkness]]"), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophesy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an unexplained "destiny" ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

===Illusion or Truth===

*The threes hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.

*Later, in dream visions of the opera house shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear.

*As the Temple of Five was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not D'Anna/Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the "chosen one". The human association and significance of the five priests, the god they worshiped, and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.

==Notes==

* The podcast for "[[Rapture]]" confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]]<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}</ref>.
* During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.

==References==
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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Final Five

2007-03-27T20:50:53Z

Saforrest: cute, but Bob Dylan is not a Cylon

[[Image:Final Five.jpg|right|thumb|300px|D'Anna's vision shows five white-robed figures between each banner ([[Rapture]]) '''Note''': This picture is a production still and is in no way indicative of the identities of the Final Five. No official source has confirmed the identities of these stand-in actors.]]
The term "'''final five'''" collectively describes five of the twelve [[Humanoid Cylon|humanoid Cylon models]] whose identity, knowledge, or existence has been deliberately or accidentally lost to seven of the Humanoid Cylon models.

[[Caprica-Six]], when asked by Gaius Baltar about the five missing models he has not seen on the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] he lives on or on [[New Caprica]], curtly replies that the others do not talk about the subject ([[Torn]]).

==The unauthorized quest for the Five==

A [[Number Three]] copy, whom [[Gaius Baltar]] calls by her human alias, [[D'Anna Biers]], repeatedly commits suicide to get glimpses of five white-cloaked beings that she believes are images of the final five. She attempts to draw what she has seen, but has difficulty in doing so ([[Hero]]).

One detailed sketch which she briefly shows to Baltar depicts her personal artistic rendering of the faces of the five ([[The Passage]]). The sketch is meant to depict [[Saul Tigh]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and twelfth and final Cylon, [[w:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan]]. ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

[[Image:FFSketches.jpg|thumb|left|Sketches of the Five.]]
Baltar's ability to see a virtual doppelganger of Caprica-Six (as well as enjoying her company in various pleasant environments) lead him to suggest that he might be using a Cylon technique known as [[projection]]. This suspicion, in turn, makes Baltar begin a personal inquiry into his own nature after allying himself with D'Anna-Three.

The two eventually make their way to the [[algae planet]], where a Colonial structure, the fabled [[Temple of Five]], awaits with possible answers ("[[The Passage]]", "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]"). When the system's dying star goes nova, a ray of light is generated by the mechanisms of the temple. D'Anna steps into the light and suddenly finds herself back in the [[Opera House]] and before the same image of the Five, not persistent. Upon seeing their faces she recognizes one of them in particular, saying in surprise "You... forgive me... I had no idea." She is then pulled back to reality and collapses in Baltar's arms, apparently suffering the effects of a brain hemorrhage. She dies before she can tell Baltar what she saw. She tells Baltar, "You were right," but dies before answering about what. She tells the [[Cavil]] who greets her in the tank that there are five other Cylons, and he will see them some day.

Although four of the final five have been revealed ([[Crossroads, Part II]]), the identity of the person she recognized remains a mystery ([[Rapture]]).

==Four Revealed==
As [[The Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]] draws closer to the [[Ionian nebula]], an [[W:All Along the Watchtower|unusual melody]] begins playing on wireless radio, however only four people can hear it; Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Cheif [[Galen Tyrol]], Ensign [[Samuel Anders]] and presidential aide [[Tory Foster]] ([[Crossroads, Part I]]). Tyrol and Anders say that the song seems like something from their childhoods, while Tigh becomes progressively more disturbed as he begins to hear the music everywhere on ''Galactica''. Foster becomes noticeably distracted, irritable, and unkempt, claiming to have not been sleeping well. When the fleet finally arrives at the Ionian Nebula the song becomes clear to the four who can hear it and they begin to stalk the halls of ''Galactica'' muttering it's mysterious lyrics. Eventually, the four arrive at ''Galactica''’s gym and upon seeing each other the truth becomes clear to them; they are Cylons, four of the final five. The nature of these Cylons is clearly different from the other seven, as Col. Tigh in particular has been alive for over 60 years and is a well documented veteran of the first [[Cylon War]], at a time when the humanoid Cylons known to mankind supposedly did not exist.

===Connections between the Colonial gods and Cylon god===

*The Temple of Five was built over 4,000 years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], long before the Cylons existed. The [[Thirteenth Tribe]] would, logically, have no knowledge of these automatons in the strictest sense. However, the Thirteenth Tribe has significant prophetic insight, as shown in the works of [[Pythia]]. According to Colonial scriptures, "Five pillars of the temple were fashioned after the five priests devoted to the one whose name cannot be spoken". This may have been another Lord of Kobol, given that on a deleted scene [[Elosha]] noted that the fall of [[Kobol]] and its civilization was due in part to a "jealous god".

*On [[New Caprica]], D'Anna/Three meets [[Dodona Selloi]], a human [[oracle]], who relays a message from Three's God, despite the oracle's association with the Lords of Kobol.

*With this information, there is a strong, but unexplained correlation or connection with the the Cylon God and the Lords of Kobol.

===The Eye of Jupiter and Kara Thrace===

*The Eye of Jupiter storyline introduced an association between Kara Thrace, a human that "doodled" a circular image as a child with no prior derivation (her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] has a painting of the image from the episode, "[[Valley of Darkness]]"), and the mandalas or icons of the eye that decorated a temple built 4,000 years before her birth. No further information is revealed other than the prophesy from [[Leoben Conoy]], who told Thrace of an unexplained "destiny" ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

===Illusion or Truth===

*The threes hunt for and see visions of the Five, which leads to the other Cylons themselves [[boxing]] the entire line of Threes after her discovery, but whether this is done to suppress the notion or actual information of the final five or to relieve the other Cylons of an aberrant model is unclear.

*Later, in dream visions of the opera house shared by [[Laura Roslin]], [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Caprica Six]], the same 5 glowing figures seen by Three appear.

*As the Temple of Five was apparently built for human usage, the Temple may have only allowed the transitional visions that the Threes see to be more persistent and clear. It may never be revealed what Baltar (or another human) would have seen. While Baltar believed Three and actively participated in her quest, both his virtual Six and a [[Hybrid]] noted that he, not D'Anna/Three, was intended to use the Temple's imaging mechanism as the "chosen one". The human association and significance of the five priests, the god they worshiped, and their connections with the Cylons, Kara Thrace and Baltar are not yet explained.

==Notes==

* The podcast for "[[Rapture]]" confirms that the final five Cylons have not been [[boxing|boxed]]<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=firstboxing|timestamp=41:47|totalrunning=}}</ref>.
* During a Q&A session on the official Sci Fi channel Battlestar Galactica forum Ronald D. Moore notes that he already knows who the last Cylon is, and that he's already left clues as to who it is<ref>[http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2270103&st=0&p=3041263&#entry3041263 20 Answers - SCI FI FORUMS] Retrieved 03-27-2007</ref>.

==References==
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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

The Music

2007-03-27T20:48:07Z

Saforrest: correct lyrics

As the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] approaches the [[Ionian nebula]], several people, specifically [[Saul Tigh]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and [[Galen Tyrol]], begin hearing fragments of strange music that only they can see and hear. The music becomes more distinct and distracting as the nebula gets closer.

Once the Fleet arrives at the Ionian nebula, '''the Music'''<ref>This is a Battlestar Wiki [[BW:TERM|descriptive term]].</ref> reaches a piercing shrill. The Colonials affected not only hear the music complete, but begin to add lyrics as well. As the Fleet plunges into darkness, losing electrical power for reasons unknown, the music compels the four to meet in a isolated room.

The four are able to assemble the lyric fragments with the intact music to form a strange song. Because of the mutual experience, the four believe themselves to be [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The source or cause of the music is not known ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

At the end of the episode the song starts playing as background music for the viewers to hear. These are the complete lyrics that are sung:

:''There must be some way out of here''
:''Said the joker to the thief''
:''There's too much confusion''
:''I can't get no relief''
:''Businessmen they drink my wine''
:''Plowmen dig my earth''
:''None of them along the line''
:''Know what any of it is worth''

:''No reason to get excited''
:''The thief he kindly spoke''
:''There are many here among us''
:''Who feel that life is but a joke''
:''But you and I, we've been through that''
:''And this is not our fate''
:''So let us not talk falsely now''
:''The hour is getting late''

==Notes==
*The music is, indeed, a version of [[w:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan's]] song, "All Along The Watchtower," specially composed by series composer [[Bear McCreary]].
*The song is ''not'' intended to indicate that the Colonials have picked up an Earth communication.<ref>From Bear McCreary's [http://www.bearmccreary.com Blog]], March 25, 2007.</ref> Series executive producer [[Ron D. Moore]] considers the song to be an invention created by a Colonial citizen in a curious parallel to what had or will develop on Earth. The series creators have intentionally avoided citing whether ''Battlestar Galactica'' occurs in the real-world Earth's past, present, or future.

==References==
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[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:Colonial History]]
[[Category:Colonial History (RDM)]]
[[Category:Cylons]]
[[Category:Cylons (RDM)]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Talk:Crossroads, Part II/Archive1

2007-03-27T20:36:29Z

Saforrest: /* Assumed to be Cylons? */

== Promo Pics ==
Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000aaqbh here]. Hard believe that's the last for Season 3. However, they may release a few more for this episode. At least there's the 2-hr movie between seasons. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:03, 27 February 2007 (CST)

That promo pic of Six, Baltar, and Hera appears to be shot in the "Final Five" room. Anyone else notice this? [[User:Paulmooreparks|Paulmooreparks]] 19:57, 28 February 2007 (CST)

: Yes, indeed I did. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:02, 28 February 2007 (CST)

::Baltar's been having visions of Six and Hera in the opera house since season 1, so it's not necessarily connected to the Final Five. Since this episode will reveal 1 or 4 of the Final Five depending on which interview you go by, there's a pretty good chance that it relates to them as well. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:16, 28 February 2007 (CST)

:::Am I completely off-base in thinking that that's Virtual Baltar alongside Virtual Six? Because the other photos of that episode show the "real" Baltar still quite disheveled with a thick beard while that Baltar is clean-shaven, not unlike Caprica's Baltar. Didn't Ron Moore say something about the two alter-egos being key figures in the last episodes of the season? --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 04:50, 3 March 2007 (CST)

::::Not really "off base", in fact I think that's the most popular theory in general. So unless we're all off base.....which is admitedly possible :P --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:37, 3 March 2007 (CST)

:::::If they are able to interact with eachother it would have significant implications regarding their nature. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 17:50, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::::The virtual Baltar normally wears the unique pinstripe suit from the Miniseries, which I don't see here. I do believe this is a visualization and that is Virtual Six, for the Opera House doesn't exist. If the two alter-egos do somehow directly interact, some Serious Shit will ensure, but damned if I can really glean what. This is as big of a season stumper as season 2's cliffhanger. And, no, Kara Thrace will NOT be one of the Five. But it may be, in my guess, one of these three, although they don't realize it: Dualla, Tigh, or Gaeta. I still hold exception to the fact that what Three saw may be the five priests of the Temple of Five, who just so happen to have incarnations in the current timeline. (Note the monkey that exited my anus and is waving at you). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Predictions==
Well, it's early, and I don't care to step on Slander's toes, but I have forseen an event in Crossroads, Part II. The top 5 American Idol contestants cameo as... '''THE FINAL FIVE!''' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:06, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
*I'd like to make a motion that all Predictions in Talk pages be deleted as they are assinine and serve no other purpose than to promote the person making the prediction. Predictions should be in Forums and chatrooms or discussion groups, not here.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:29, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
**Dude... they're friggin' jokes. No need to be so uptight. You're reminding me of Merv. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:07, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
*** Motion denied. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 12:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

OK. The purpose of a talk page is for ''brief'' discussions and questions about the article. Generally, the humorous "predictions" in other talk pages have not detracted from the talk page's purpose or grown in size, and honestly have given me a chuckle, although my feelings on the matter aren't the sole vote about it. Provided that we don't get into numerous predictions from many users to the talk page in some way, I don't see a problem with it at this time. If there's still a problem about it, a silly page could have a bulleted series of such humor if approved by consensus (although I doubt this would work, [[BW:NOT|we're not a forum]]). Sometimes, predictions are fun ''and'' on-topic: See [[Talk:Exodus, Part II]] where I made a good guess. Now, what's considered "funny" is very subjective. I don't think BB's jest is nearly as humorous as, say, the shining white Final Five being revealed as the ''Jackson Five'' or something. Jokes are OK. If it's a bad one, ignore the poster. If a talk page gets too long, ask an admin to moderate if you can't get others to end a pointless or irrelevant topic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:Damn I should've thought of the Jackson Five... --20:10, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/Slanderpanic/1tito.jpg Tito rules!] On a more serious note, if people object to my predictions, I'll stop doing them. Honestly, this sort of in-joke is inevitable when an Internet community develops. In my opinion, it's healthy for us to not take things ''too'' seriously, or we turn into a bunch of elitists. (If anyone in the history of anything has ever needed a collective wedgie, it's Wikipedia's editing community.) Anyway, as there are currently two "Predictions" topics on this Talk page, I think I'll take the rest of the year off, until it comes time to speculate about the DVD-movie and season four. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:19, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

==the commercial==

hey the commercial has anders voice syaing "yeah we're cylons" WTF --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 21:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378
:I don't know whose voice it is, but the line is definitely "It's true, we're Cylons". -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:12, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:At first, I thought it was Anders speaking, just because his face appeared at the same moment. {{spoilli|On subsequent viewing, I think it's...drum roll...Chief Tyrol!}} --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 12:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::Read the thing linked below. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

==Predictions-part 2==

I was surfing on the internet, trying to find some spoilers (lol) for the 3rd season finale, and came across this baby: http://www.thetvremote.com/battlestar-galactica-season-finale-spoilers/ (huge spoilers, so don t go there if u don t wanna read em). So, the text reveals who are the 4 of the final 5. As we already know, without the websites help, some of the final five are living and working in the colonial fleet. The 4 that are in question have a past, and we even saw a few times their memories, and we know that they lived in the colonies for quite some time. That being said, the website isn’t really convincing. But then, we know that the final five are special. We don t know what they are, we could suppose that they are more than the other cylon models, much more. We could even think that they are some sort of gods, now that too being said, I can t help but to think that those final 5, being special could have been planted in the colonies before the attacks of the miniseries. There is also a thing about Starbuck and a thing about finding earth on the website. I don t know what are their sources but the text seems very interesting and gives some very interesting ideas. {{unsigned|DedMed}}

:Many of the spoilers fit with what occurred in "Crossroads, Part II," but it brings up many new questions, too. If true, the information completely wrecks or substantially modifies what we thought Cylons were and when they came about. It should be an interesting episode, to say the least. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

::HOLY FRAKKIN FRAK! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:::The spoilers from part 1 were correct, adding some credibility. The really shocking part is that one of the alledged final five was around during the Cylon War (yes, you heard it right, the [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] is a Cylon, I'm surprised no one made the connection when we've known that she has at least a dozen copies since the miniseries :D). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

::I kind of wish I hadn't read them, but I couldn't help myself. Goddamit! --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 12:26, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Goddamnit is exactly the word. ''Goddamnit!'' --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:03, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

I took my comments about the spoliers out... but just so you know. if that link is true... and it's implied in the video teaser for this episode. I'm starting to see the show in shark infested waters. But I imagine everything is not what it seems. Especially with my homedog Col. Tigh. If he really is (spolier)... then I'm gonna start to lose interest in BSG for real. But honestly I think that is all a "misunderstanding" or perhaps some link to the final five... who I insist are NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 19:58, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry I can't resist posting again. Ok, the final Five, as I stated are not Cylons but are a third faction, some ancient group probably five prophets who orchestrated all of this. It's the only way I can deal with this: I will not be happy if certain persons are in actuality certain entities. Especially people who have been around too long, who lived before the first cylon attack. Sigh... I guess the Caprica TV show will possibly delve into it... but dammit, that show better be frakking good. This show is going too far into paranormal and starting to suffer from hollywood interference. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 20:23, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
:Dude... They're kinda definitionally cylons. They say there're 12 models. We've seen 7. There are 5 more. The Final Five. Done and done. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:28, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

No offense, but I do believe we have enough reason to totally disregard that conclusion. Firstly, and might I add, perfectly timed, the main page has a link to "Who is a cylon", with a website, blog, and a nice canon explanation of who is and likely is not a Cylon. Saul Tigh... Whom I call "The Tigh Dog"... but who is known also as "The Tigh Fighter" (YES!) can't possibly BE a cylon. And why? Just as I stated, he's been known by Adama for too long (at least prior to the FIRST war). Second, this leads to my speculation from the talk on Crossroads Part 1... Even if these guys are the Final Five... they still aren't cylons. The Final Five are not Cylons. That's what I have been suspecting ever since the Oracle gave prophecy to Biers... ever since The Hybrid gave prophecy to Baltar. That's when I remembered Shelly from "Six Degrees of Seperation". Tigh is so not a cylon. If Tigh is a cylon... I mean really a cylon... this show has jumped the shark. Yes I'm sure they THINK they are Cylons, just like the Cylons THINK the final five are Cylons. But Tigh is not a Cylon. As far as the Final five go, maybe he is, maybe not. The Final Five are perhaps a third... NON CYLON... faction, closely related to the oracles, the prophecies, and what not. Possibly some disgruntled 13th tribe members that wanted to get revenge... who knows... but NOT CYLONS! --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:04, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
:*sigh* Twelve Cylon Models. 7 have been seen. Five not. The Final Five. THE FINAL FIVE UNREVEALED CYLONS!!! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I'm with you, BB... Final five will be revealed Sunday. Can't wait to see who, though I already suspect at least four of 'em. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:18, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
::: 4 of 5, and then it'll be the... hmm... damn... can't think of a word starting with O to go with One... --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:58, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Only? Obfuscated? Omega? As for the Tigh rumor, it's plausible that humanoid Cylons date back to the war (they could've discovered a 2000 year old data archive, developed the technology themselves with a Cylon-constructed supercomputer). The term "Cylon" hasn't really been defined, if "Cylon" just means "artificial humanoid" or "self-aware artificial life form" then the Final Five could predate the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] and still be Cylons. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 01:16, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Yeah! The Only One! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:38, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Aw, come on guys. Firstly, you're buying into the notion that the Cylons are nearly omniscent. Isn't it probable that the Cylons themselves have been mislead? In addition, this stuff about Cylon models being created thousands of years ago makes no sense. There are only 12 models they know of. The encephalitus disease that knocked out a whole basestar of Cylons should debunk that long shot. If we are going to split hairs on what a Cylon is... then we need to reconsider who created them in the first place. I believe the 13th tribe left a faction, most likely the priesthood, behind. That priesthood wanted to fulfill some destiny or resolve some unresolved issue in the distant future and they were the invisible hand behind the first cylon war and the cause behind the Cylon visions (projections), the cylon rebirthing, and other spriritual technologies the Cylons have. In addition I believe the final five are actually the original five prophets that the Cylons mistakenly believe are "cylons". Even if I am wrong about that, to simply dismiss Tigh as a Cylon for the reasons above makes no sense. I bet during the fourth season the so called "revelation" that Tigh, Anders, and the others being cylons will turn out to be a Cylon (or Prophetic) hoax. And this... is where I think Six Degrees of Seperation will play a role. "What happened to Shelly"? She never really left, she has been manipulating things on the ship. It's a long shot, but I'm going to wait it out and see. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 21:34, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Here is my theory on the whole "Tigh is a Cylon" thing, Tigh (and the others) are NOT the Final Five Cylons (they will initally think that they are but are mistaken). They will discover that they are descendants of the Final Five models who intermarried with humans back on Kobol and that the "Final Five" were the first cylons who were created by "the Jealous God" (who is also the God worshiped by The Seven we have seen so far). Which will still leave room for Starbuck to be one of the Final Five. I have to admit that a lot of this is comming just from instinct and my imagination but it would make a lot more sense than Tigh being a Cylon since from what we have already heard that the Cylons are immortal (and is safe to assume that they DO NOT AGE, which Tigh would have done since the First Cylon War 40 years ago). [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 22:05, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

:: EXACTLY! See? Someone else understands what I have been trying to say, although I don't think the writers will put the jealous god angle in that way (but maybe they will). But I agree almost entiely with what you are saying. I just think the final five are some leftovers of the 13th tribe... Wait. I just realized something. The 13th tribe left and there was some war between the "gods" right? What if, the 13th tribe didn't leave on good terms with the other 12? Now if we can fit the Shelly angle into this, I will feel much better. Six degrees still hangs like a disowned child. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:54, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

:Why is it safe to assume that the humanoid Cylons do not age? Their physiology is close enough to that of regular humans to allow crossbreeding. Old age wouldn't be a problem, as they could just get resurrected in younger, more recently glown replacement bodies when they die of old age. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:44, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Maybe a growing and aging body function interfers with the ressurrection ability. Exact copies, thus perfectly aligned brainwave patterns to reinsert into the new body. --[[User:Baltarstar|Baltarstar]] 23:56, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:Who says they have brainwaves? [[Silica pathways]], remember? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 00:32, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::So Tigh can't be a Cylon because Cylons don't age, Cylons don't age because ageing would interfere with the resurrection process, and we know that ageing would interfere with the resurrection process because there needs to be some reason for the Cylons not to age? This is a clear circular logic fallacy. There is '''no canonical evidence''' which rules the possibility of Cylons ageing. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 00:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Point taken, but it would seem strange that the Cylons would neglect ageing when they went about making themselves into an IMPROVED version of Human. It would be an inconveinence for a cylon to be dying of old age and ressurecting in what would be (from their point of view) a constant stream for all time. Why is the idea that they found a way around that so strange to you? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::All I'm saying is that there is currently no evidence for or against Cylon ageing, no evidence about whether or not Cylons have the technology for eternal youth and no conclusive proof that they would or would not use such technology if they had it. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:05, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Agreed. To be honest, I feel the Cylons ''have'' to age, though it may be slower than your normal human. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 08:20, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::Slowed ageing would explain why [[Hera Agathon]] doesn't seem to walk or talk even though she's about two years old now (although she could be walking and talking off-screen). -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:03, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::::But to me it just doesn't seem to fit for something that is machine in origin to age, it throws the aesthetics off drastically. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 15:10, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::::But they're no longer ''mechanical'' machines. They are more biological. Upon becoming human, which they effectively are, they have demonstrated becoming susceptible to a disease. Thus, with all that, they simply ''have'' to age, as any biologist worth their salt would tell you. The question of how quickly they age is another matter. (Which, as Gordon Ecker pointed out, is a very good reason why Hera hasn't aged so much as she should have. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 15:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Runtime ==

Anyone care to adjust the runtime due to the fact that this episode came out only 2 minutes longer as opposed to the reported 5? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 01:53, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Podcast ==

Is it just me, or is there no podcast? Or did SciFi update it this morning and I just haven't checked yet? --[[User:Starsmore|Starsmore]] 12:39, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Assumed to be Cylons? ==

Why is it assumed that Tyrol, Tigh, Foster and Anders are the final five (well, most of the final five)? Ok, so they _suspect_ that they are, but there's nothing concrete in my opinion. That's them simply rationalising why they all met.
It sounds a lot more of a lame idea now I've written it down, but there it is. [[User:FredTheDeadHead|FredTheDeadHead]] 14:35, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
: Ron Moore has confirmed they were Cylons in a press interview [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm here]. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 15:36, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Crossroads, Part I/Archive 1

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==Promo Pics==
Are [http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/000a9064 here]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:54, 27 February 2007 (CST)
: Tried to go there, but I get the following: Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /drewcypher/gallery/000a9064 on this server. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 08:09, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::NBC cracked down on websites publishing the highres press photos.. They are still here: http://galacticastation.com/episodes/s3guide/318.htm --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:45, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Predictions ==

I was too busy drooling over my favorite [[Number Three|Suicide Girl]] to spend much time in front of the ol' crystal ball this week, but I got in a little bit of quality future-gazing at the last minute.
*[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Beau]] locks the Battlestar Wiki, causing widespread panic throughout the Fleet! Without the ability to edit, how are our remaining 41,000 citizens supposed to comment on the shocking accuracy of their beloved seer's predictions? Riots! Fire! Premarital sex! And that's all just the teaser! In the end, however, they will make due and will remember that editing a wiki isn't everything. :)
*Back in February, my crystal ball told me that the trial of Baltar would begin. Obviously, the ball had a little too much [[New Caprican loco weed|Fleet wheat]] and tossed me a prediction for this episode instead. Yep, blame it on others, that's me. The Admiral would be so disappointed.
*We've all seen Caprica and Tigh exchanging bruises in the preview for this episode. This will be the only Cylon-on-human violence we see in the entire episode, and probably in the rest of the season.
*Baltar publically reveals during his trial that Roslin's cancer was cured by Hera's blood and that Hera is half-Cylon. The Fleet goes nuts. Baltar also reveals the plot to steal the Presidency and how it was covered up after the election. I've got a feeling he'll also reveal some shady goings-on during the year on New Caprica that we haven't seen.
*As the trial goes on, Tigh and Zarek are in charge of the military and civilian branches of the Fleet, respectively. They've never been fans of each other and now they're going to lock horns like never before.
*At the end of the episode, the Fleet jumps to a new system. Something sparks a huge shouting match between Zarek and Tigh, during which Gaeta detects... something. I'm not sure what it is, but it's the last marker on the road to Earth. Unfortunately, the Cylons are already there. After reorganizing in the wake of boxing an entire model, the Cylon expeditionary fleet has actually gotten ahead of the Colonials in just a few jumps. Baltar's trial is interrupted by this event and the episode ends on a cliffhanger.
After nearly half a season without them, the Cylons return in a big way this episode. While I'd personally like Baltar's trial to remain as human as possible, I'm afraid you can't have a season finale without the Cylons making a grand appearance and leaving everything hanging in the balance. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 13:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

:(*snif*) No mention of Galvatron? Is he being left to rust somewhere in space by something more evil than he: ''lawyers?'' --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
::Starscream, obviously. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:54, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Sorry, guys. I thought Galvatron's presence would be obvious, keeping previous predictions in mind. He's in his new Pretender disguise: Romo Lampkin. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 23:58, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:I'm looking forward to Cylon presence, we haven't seen any Cylons (save for Athena and Caprica-Six) since "Rapture". Or have we? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:49, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Some thoughts:
Could the strange noises and/or music that Tigh, Anders, and Foster hear be early radio waves from Earth? Are they close enough (within 100 light years) that the earlier transmissions from 1900-present are reaching Galactica? We have been broadcasting radio waves into space for over 100 years. If this is in any way correct, the closer they get to Earth, the more recent the broadcast will be. Tigh says the sounds are coming from the ship... the only thing I can figure is if they indeed ARE radio waves, the ship would have to act as an antenna of some sort to pick up the signal. Just a guess, but to me the sounds were old, scratchy, and very much reminiscent of earlier radio transmission. This also does not explain why Tigh, Anders, and Foster are the only ones who hear it (unless they are 3 of the 5 cylons, of course complete with built-in AM/FM tuners). --[[User:Captain Finlay|Captain Finlay]] 15:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==403 Error==
<s>I keep getting a 403 error when I try to look at the Crossroads Pt. 1 page.</s> <s>Never mind it's being cooperative now.</s> Or not. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 10:27, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

== When will this article be unlocked ? ==
I know the whole site has been unlocked, but this article appears to still be in lockdown mode. How long will we need to wait before permissions are restored?--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 15:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:[http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/?p=115 Thus spake Joe]:
:"Even after this, I expect the wiki to be slow and may even have to protect “Crossroads, Part I” from editing even after the site-wide lockdown."
:The day after an episode we've been getting hammered, and I suspect today is no exception. I expect that the traffic will die down enough such by tomorrow that Joe will unlock this page as well. If there's anything you feel needs to be added to the page while it is locked, you could add it here in the talk age (and copy & paste it later, or somebody else will), or create a subpage of your user page (or just a subsection of your user page) to store the thoughts/ideas/analysis/notes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::Performance is still extremely sluggish. It works as this very moment, but it's up and down all the time. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::Shane unlocked the article. I was honestly going to unlock it tomorrow morning, but I don't see how that would have really helped more not. At any rate, the article's unlocked. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

==Anders in Uniform==
Hey is Anders a pilot now cause they called him a nick name in the teaser --[[User:Snorkel378|Snorkel378]] 17:25, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378
:No, they called him a [[nugget]], which is Colonial Fleet slang for a pilot trainee. But since you've mentioned that, does anyone have a screen grab of this for Anders' page?--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 23:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

== Act 1 item ==

Since it's not editable, I'm posting here....

# Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.

# Lee Adama enters CIC near Roslin, who is collecting herself in the Weapons Control station. He notices a cup and decanter in CIC, ostensibly belonging to Col. Tigh and smells it. His expression suggests the presence of alcohol.

I rewatched this scene, because I got something different out of it. I think this should read:

# Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Col. Tigh, and President Rosline are discussing the baseships. Someone brings Roslin a decanter of tea? Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.

# Roslin walk to the Weapons Control station to collect herself. Lee Adama notices the cup belonging to Roslin; sniffs it and detects chamalla.

I think that Lee is taking Romo's lesson's to heart from the last episode and connecting Roslin's erratic behavior with her chamalla tea. -- [[User:Disputin|Disputin]] 17:31, 19 March 2007

:Agreed. At first I thought it was Tigh's too, but later it's explained as how he made the connection to Roslin still taking chamalla. That it's sweetened with sugar to mask the taste is explained by the oracle on New Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

::I haven't listened to the podcast, but I suspect that the ambiguity was intentional. You're supposed to think it's Tigh's, and then realize that it was Roslin's all along. Not that Tigh drinking on duty ought to be anything of a revelation anyway. The man likes the sauce. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:25, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::You can see Foster handing the can and cup to Roslin. It's not that obvious, and I missed it too at first, but it's clear that it's not Tigh's. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:32, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==Opening==
Has anyone been able to find out why the opening title wasn't in the episode? --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
Also, if we really want a survivor count, we could use what that lawyer gave us as a number during the trial (even though it seems a bit too low). --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 18:02, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:No, because that's too old. It's also somewhat conflicting (see my comment on Survivor Count talk). That number has to refer to the ''civilian'' population directly after the escape. But that discussion is better for the SC article.
:From the podcast transcript:
:"In case you're wondering, no we did not forget to put the pre-cap on that says, "The Cylons Were Created By Man," etc. etc. Truth is we were pressed for time on these last two and we asked for special dispensation to do away with the pre-cap, as we call it, and also with the main title. So-to give us-in order to give us more time to tell the story and really play this for all it's worth."
:So there you have it. That's what I suspected happened. It sounds like they were really crunched for time on these last two episodes (considering the opening chop running a few minutes long next week). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:31, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Is the Eight at the opening Sharon Agathon or Boomer or another Eight? Kind of appears that Park has an expression more accustomed to Boomer on her face, as well as wearing her hair as Boomer. [[User:Huh?|Huh?]] 06:26, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I think it must be [[Sharon Agathon]] (Athena) since she's [[Hera]]'s mother. --[[User:Moo|Moo]] 15:02, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
::A comment made by RDM in the podcast indicated that there was a moment shot (but later cut) where they saw each other in the officer's head (the bathroom) and had a moment where they weren't QUITE ready yet to talk to each other about the fact that they'd had a dream with each other in it. It's in act 1 of the podcast transcript, if you're interested. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:31, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

==Refinery Ship==
Did anyone here Tivo the episode? In the scene on the refinery ship, I thought I saw Olmos in a cameo. He looked like he had the Gaff mustache from Blade Runner. Can anyone check this? --[[User:Whalepelt|Whalepelt]] 09:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I haven't checked it, but I doubt it. It's probably just cut footage from "Dirty Hands" or possible even copied from the aired version. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:14, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
::I have a copy, and the bit with the scruffy mustachioed man is about 10:35 into the episode. It does look a little like Olmos, but it's hard to tell, and the eyes don't seem quite right. In any case, if he is a Cylon, he could've gone a little further with avoiding looking like his admiral counterpart. :) --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 00:43, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== Disagreement on this point in the analysis ==

I took out this line from the analysis by Serenity. There a few points that I disagree with how this is worded:

"[[Racetrack]] continues her history of trying to escape at the first sign of danger ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Occupation]]", "[[Torn]]"). However this time, her Raptor is actually in immediate danger of being destroyed by the Cylons and jumps away at the last moment."

*This isn't the first time that Racetrack has escaped from imminent danger. In "[[Dirty Hands]]", she and her ECO barely escaped from the Raptor before it collided with Colonial One and probably exploded because of the impure tylium fuel.
*She was not running at the first sign of danger in "[[Occupation]]", they had reached their daily time limit on waiting for contact from New Caprica and yes had begun to pick up some Cylon activity. The last thing that they want is the Cylons to know that a Raptor is constantly waiting for a signal. She stayed long enough to send back the message to the resistance and then left to report the good news.
*In "[[Torn]]", we are not told that she and Athena immediately ran away once they saw the dying baseship. She was freaked out as any pilot would, but once they realized that the baseship and the other fighters were immobile, she had more of a expression of confusion than fear.
*In "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", it was the first time we were introduced to Racetrack. Her expression of fear I would think is natural as no human had ever been inside a new Cylon baseship. Considering that the nuke did not dislodged as planned and that Boomer went outside unexpectedly, it probably would freak out anyone.

Anyhows, we can put this line back in later, but I think it needs to be rewritten. I honestly don't think that this character trait is just to Racetrack alone. Boomer in the mini-series did the same thing once she and Helo realized that the Vipers were being destroyed. I would think any smart Raptor pilot would know when to bug out since their ship isn't the most fighter capable.--[[User:LifeStar|LifeStar]] 12:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:-sigh- In how many places do you want to bring this up? I mentioned it on your talk page, because you have an issue with it and then you replied to it on mine. Now you discuss it here as well. That's completely unnecessary.
:People can think that she's a coward or that she's doing her job. It doesn't say anything either way. I agree that "Occupation" isn't really a good example as the time is merely up, but the others are not cases of her running away from ''immediate'' danger. Except for "Dirty Hands" which doesn't fall into this pattern and thus isn't even mentioned. You are the one bringing that into this. Let's just remove it, as your attempts at rewording just twisted into something wrong. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2007-03-14T03:59:18Z

Saforrest:

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Well, I hardly think Google is about to change their indexing scheme for little old us. If we really want to suppress certain text from appearing in indexed search results, one solution is to embed the relevant text in a bit of Javascript which merely prints the text with <tt>document.write</tt> (this could be done easily with a template). I'm fairly confident that the indexed search result will ''not'' evaluate Javascript from a source page; if this weren't true, we'd be seeing random pop-ups on Google search query pages. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [[w:Rapahel Lempkin|Raphael Lempkin]] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide]. {{unsigned|Fendant}}
: I think you mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] (no p in the surname). --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, the actor is Irish and James Callis is British. It depends on whether we go by birth colony or where he lived. It was said that he worked on Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Yes, it's not clear to me what the heck Baltar's Aerelon accent was. It didn't sound particularly Irish to me, but I'm a Canadian, so my understanding of Irish/British accents is not great. On a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerelon Wikipedia article on the Twelve Colonies], someone claimed it was a Yorkshire accent. That sounds at least plausible to me.
: It would make some sense if the Aerelon dialect were Irish. Both places have a history of repression by larger powers. Plus, Michael Hogan's Northern/Eastern Ontario accent has traces of Irish influence, and since [[Saul Tigh]] is most recently from Caprica but originally from Aerelon, you could rationalize his accent as being Caprican with Aerelon influences. I wonder, if actor's accents are consistently used to represent in-story linguistic differences, what will we see when ''Galactica'' finally meets the Thirteenth Tribe? A few thousand years is a lot of time for linguistic innovation. Will they be speaking Swedish or Saskrit or something? --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
::I think Tigh's Aerelon ancestry, which was only revealed in the BSG Magazine, has been overruled by his comments in "[[The Woman King]]" which reeked of Caprican nationalism. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2007-03-14T02:33:28Z

Saforrest: /* Lampkin's Colony */

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Well, I hardly think Google is about to change their indexing scheme for little old us. If we really suppress certain text from appearing in indexed search results, one solution is to embed the relevant text in a bit of Javascript which merely prints the text with <tt>document.write</tt> (this could be done easily with a template). I'm fairly confident that the indexed search result will ''not'' evaluate Javascript from a source page, or else Google search queries would be giving us all kinds of pop-ups. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [[w:Rapahel Lempkin|Raphael Lempkin]] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide]. {{unsigned|Fendant}}
: I think you mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] (no p in the surname). --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, the actor is Irish and James Callis is British. It depends on whether we go by birth colony or where he lived. It was said that he worked on Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Yes, it's not clear to me what the heck Baltar's Aerelon accent was. It didn't sound particularly Irish to me, but I'm a Canadian, so my understanding of Irish/British accents is not great. On a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerelon Wikipedia article on the Twelve Colonies], someone claimed it was a Yorkshire accent. That sounds at least plausible to me.
: It would make some sense if the Aerelon dialect were Irish. Both places have a history of repression by larger powers. Plus, Michael Hogan's Northern/Eastern Ontario accent has traces of Irish influence, and since [[Saul Tigh]] is most recently from Caprica but originally from Aerelon, you could rationalize his accent as being Caprican with Aerelon influences. I wonder, if actor's accents are consistently used to represent in-story linguistic differences, what will we see when ''Galactica'' finally meets the Thirteenth Tribe? A few thousand years is a lot of time for linguistic innovation. Will they be speaking Swedish or Saskrit or something? --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2007-03-14T02:32:54Z

Saforrest: add comments

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Well, I hardly think Google is about to change their indexing scheme for little old us. If we really suppress certain text from appearing in indexed search results, one solution is to embed the relevant text in a bit of Javascript which merely prints the text with <tt>document.write</tt> (this could be done easily with a template). I'm fairly confident that the indexed search result will ''not'' evaluate Javascript from a source page, or else Google search queries would be giving us all kinds of pop-ups. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [[w:Rapahel Lempkin|Raphael Lempkin]] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide]. {{unsigned|Fendant}}
: I think you mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin Raphael Lemkin] (no p in the surname). --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, the actor is Irish and James Callis is British. It depends on whether we go by birth colony or where he lived. It was said that he worked on Caprica. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
: Yes, it's not clear to me what the heck Baltar's Aerelon accent was. It didn't sound particularly Irish to me, but I'm a Canadian, so my understanding of Irish/British accents is not great. On a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerelon Wikipedia article on the Twelve Colonies], someone claimed it was a Yorkshire accent. That sounds at least plausible to me.
: It would make some sense if the Aerelon dialect were Irish. Both places have a history of repression by larger powers. Plus, Michael Hogan's Northern/Eastern Ontario accent has traces of Irish influence, and since [[Saul Tigh]] is most recently from Caprica but originally from Aerelon, you could rationalize his accent as being Caprican with Aerelon influences.
: I wonder, if actor's accents are consistently used to represent in-story linguistic differences, what will we see when ''Galactica'' finally meets the Thirteenth Tribe? A few thousand years is a lot of time for linguistic innovation. Will they be speaking Swedish or Saskrit or something? --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 21:32, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Tucker Clellan

2007-03-05T17:25:43Z

Saforrest: add Lee's comment

{{Character Data
|photo= Tucker Clellan.jpg
|age=
|colony=
|birthname= Tucker Clellan
|callsign= Duck
|seen= Flight of the Phoenix
|death= As a suicide bomber ([[Occupation]])
|parents=
|siblings=
|children=
|marital status= Formerly dating [[Nora]] †
|role= Former Viper Pilot, [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''
|rank= Lieutenant (Colonial Fleet), Captain ([[NCP]])
|actor= [[Christian Tessier]]
|cylon=
|name=
}}

Lt. '''Tucker "Duck" Clellan''' is a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilot on the battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''.

[[Karl Agathon]] tries to introduce himself to Clellan when the latter is playing cards with [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] and [[Brendan Constanza|Hot Dog]] but is ignored by all except [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] due to his relationship with [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Sharon Valerii]].

Duck later participates in the [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot|massacre of the disabled Cylon raiders]] ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

According to [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]], Clellan is one of the best pilots that ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' still has. Clellan helps put [[Reilly]]'s things away after he's killed by Scar ([[Scar]]).

Later, during a patrol of the [[Big Spud]], Duck unsuccessfully calls [[Brent Baxton|BB]] to retreat when their patrol's fuel is too low. BB, a [[nugget]], ignores orders and engages a group of Raiders with fatal results ([[Scar]]).

Clellan tries to enter the [[Pilots Duty Locker|pilots' duty locker]] several times, but [[Lee Adama]] and [[Anastasia Dualla]] have locked it after spending the night together there ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

At the time of the settling of [[New Caprica]], Clellan is an ace several times over with forty confirmed kills. His significant other, [[Nora]], is a fellow pilot. Both have apparently mustered out of Colonial fleet service, and Nora wants to settle with Clellan and make a family. When approached by [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[James Lyman]] in an attempt to recruit him into [[New Caprica Resistance|their resistance efforts]], Clellen declines over the desire to settle down with Nora. He is also a smoker, but quits due to his family plans.

Following Nora's death in a Cylon attack on a temple, Clellan becomes violently upset at the revelation that the resistance was hiding weapons there. After a brief period of mourning, he relents and agrees to join the resistance by infiltrating the New Caprica Police and keeping an eye on the Cylons ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

Clellan later agrees to become a suicide bomber when the resistance learns about a NCP graduation ceremony, believing that [[Gaius Baltar]] will also be present. When [[Samuel Anders]] asks whether Clellan is committed, Clellan replies that, without Nora, he has nothing left to live for.

Despite Baltar's last-minute withdrawal from the ceremony, Clellan detonates his bomb, which results in the deaths of 33 people and several Cylons ([[Occupation]]). The Cylons begin a crackdown, including mass abductions of suspected insurgents by the surviving NCP members ([[Precipice]]).

Later on ''Galactica'', Lee Adama and Kara Thrace make a pact about where to place each other's photos on the wall of memories should either die. Adama requests to have his photo put next to Duck and Nora, with the comment "Good card players. Nice way to spend eternity." ([[Maelstrom]])

==Notes==
* It can be inferred by Helo's apparent need to introduce himself to Clellan that he is a post-Cylon Attack addition to ''Galactica's'' air wing. Give the pilots' close-knit community, the two would probably know each other had they served together before. He is possibly a refugee from another Colonial unit like [[Alex Quartararo|Crashdown]] or another one of the [[nuggets]] trained by [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]].

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2007-02-27T01:57:18Z

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Gaius Baltar

2007-02-26T03:41:37Z

Saforrest: Caprica -> Aerelon

:''This page discusses the unwitting betrayer of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] character that intentionally betrays the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]], see [[Baltar (TOS)]].''

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|birthname= Gaius Baltar
|seen= Miniseries
|marital status= Single, in a relationship with a [[Cylon-Related_Hallucinations#Baltar.27s_Internal_Six|hallucination of Number Six]]. Previously involved with [[Caprica-Six|the "real" Number Six]], [[Gina]] and [[Number Three|D'Anna Biers]].
|role= Former President of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]]
|actor= [[James Callis]]
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Dr. '''Gaius Baltar''' is a brilliant scientist. Elegantly dressed and aesthetically handsome, with the affected humility of the truly arrogant, Baltar is a deeply flawed person and almost pathologically narcissistic. Beneath his outstanding abilities lurks a dramatic weakness of character that leads humanity to disaster.

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== Background ==

* Dr. Baltar was formerly a lead defense systems developer working for the [[Colonial Ministry of Defense]] and came to prominence as a computer technology designer, having won three [[Magnate Prize]]s.
* He networks with others well, and became personal friends with President [[Richard Adar]]. However, Baltar is extremely arrogant at times.
* Baltar becomes responsible for the design of the critical [[Command Navigation Program]] (CNP) used throughout the [[Colonial Fleet]], but he could not fix its shortfalls and asked his assistant ([[Number Six]]) to fix almost half of the base code and when she wrote the code, she got it up to 95% efficiency but then she put in back doors to allow the [[Cylons]] to "shut-down" space craft fitted with (CNP).
* Baltar's scientific prowess seems strongest in the medical and biological fields ([[Epiphanies]]). As a result of his lesser (although still advanced) computer programming skills, he seeks the help (and as a byproduct, the affections of) a [[Caprica Six|young woman]] to aid him with the CNP.
* Baltar's two-year affair with the mysterious woman-- even to the extent of using code she herself wrote to overcome shortfalls in his CNP -- allowed her unrestricted access to some of the most sensitive systems of the Colonial defenses.
*Baltar's involvement with his blonde assistant does not stop him from dalliances with other women during this time, right up to when his assistant confronts Baltar and a lover in bed.

==Character History==

=== The Attack on the Twelve Colonies ===

* Baltar learns that his "corporate spy" lover is in fact a new type of Cylon -- a [[Cylon agent|Cylon in human form]], able to mimic human beings down to the smallest detail, who altered his CNP with [[backdoor]]s to subvert any CNP-equipped ship.
[[image:Mini-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|left|300px|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six|Number Six]] kissing in the [[Miniseries]]. (C. SciFi Channel)]]
*Appalled by the fact that his sexual folly has led to the virtual holocaust of humanity, Baltar is nevertheless determined not only to survive but also avoid having his unintended treachery revealed.
* Baltar is rescued from Caprica following the forced-landing of a Colonial [[Raptor]] -- at the cost of [[Karl Agathon|one of the crew staying behind]] ([[Miniseries]])
* Baltar is plagued by visions of Number Six that only he can see and hear. He cannot be sure whether this is a result of his own guilt at his actions or whether -- as she initially claims -- she is part of a chip that has been implanted in his brain<ref name="chip">The idea that Six is an actual chip in Baltar's head was dismissed by Dr. [[Cottle]]'s image scan of Baltar's head. See [[Gaius Baltar#Speculation: The Real Baltar?|the section on alternate reasons for Six's existence]] for more.</ref>.
*Baltar is put to work trying to devise a means of detecting these humanoid Cylons. He luckily exposes [[Aaron Doral]] as a Cylon agent ([[Miniseries]]), using little more than invented [[technobabble]] to convince [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]].

=== Gaining trust ===

*Baltar eventually develops a genuine detector. This, together with his survival of a foiled attempt to expose him as a traitor ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]), firmly establishes his credentials within the Fleet's hierarchy.
*With this new-found trust, and despite his willingness to deliberately conceal vital information, such as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii's]] true status as a [[Cylon agent]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]), Baltar enters the realm of political leadership, first as the Representative for [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] on the [[Quorum of Twelve]], and then as the newly-elected Vice President of the Colonies ([[Colonial Day]]).
* The virtual Six continues to help and hinder Baltar, gradually drawing him to a point of near-open acceptance and participation in Cylon plans and activities ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Whether by coincidence or design, Six manipulates Baltar through repeated threats of exposing his involvement with the destruction of the Colonies ("[[33]],", "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]"), while also appearing to aid him by giving information that [[The Hand of God (RDM)|appears insightful or inspired]] to help the Colonials.
[[image:Scattered-Baltar_Six.jpg|thumb|[[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] seeing "the shape of things to come" in "[[Scattered]]". (C. Universal Studios)]]

=== A greater purpose or insanity? ===

*Baltar is subjected to a final revelation of his role with the Cylons (as virtual Six sees it) when "the future" is revealed to him on [[Kobol]], in the form of the first of "God's new generation of children" ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).
[[Image:Baltarixvalleydarkness.jpg|Number Six showing Baltar the clearing filled with human bones, telling him they were from human sacrifices.|thumb]]
* While stranded on Kobol after a crash landing, Baltar's virtual Six warns him that the Colonial religion is a falsehood to cover up atrocities of their nature.
*On Kobol, Baltar shoots [[Crashdown]] in the back, killing him instantly, to save [[Cally]] from a practically suicidal and unnecessary attack on a Cylon missile battery.<ref>The act of killing Crashdown appears to have led to a dramatic change in Baltar's attitude toward hurting anyone directly. When Cally tries to blackmail him after they return from Kobol, Baltar is somewhat rough with her. When he visits Tyrol and Boomer in the brig, he does not hesitate to inject Tyrol with fatal drugs to blackmail Boomer into giving Cylon secrets. Baltar's humanitarian acts to the Six copy known as Gina also suggests Baltar's attitude in the care of Cylons is further changing. More and more, Baltar appears to prefer direct intervention and is less cowardly in his attitude.</ref>. The group are eventually rescued by the Raptors. Baltar tells the [[SAR]] team that Crashdown died a hero in the fight, and Chief Tyrol reluctantly corroborates his story ([[Fragged]]).
*Back on ''Galactica'', Cally blackmails Baltar into making it a priority to prove that Chief Tyrol is not a Cylon, as Col. Tigh suspects, or Cally would reveal the truth of Crashdown's death.
* Incensed at this ingratitude, Baltar gambles that the [[brig|jailed]] Boomer knows of the number of Cylons in the Fleet, and blackmails her into doing so, using Tyrol's life.
[[image:brainscan.jpg|Baltar recieves his brain scan from Dr. Cottle, as Six watches on in amusement.|thumb]]
*Questioning his own sanity after his virtual Six claims that he was generally crazy, Baltar has a brain scan performed in [[sickbay]] by Dr. [[Cottle]] which confirms no "foreign objects" are present in his head.
*Baltar is ready to believe that he is truly insane until he hears [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Sharon]] discuss Valerii's pregnancy with a Cylon/Human hybrid child from his observation room. Six tells Baltar earlier that "their child" would be born in that cell, and this leads Baltar to realize that Six ''must'' be real because his subconscious couldn't have known that ([[Home, Part II]]).

=== Many talents ===

*When [[D'anna Biers]] films a documentary about life aboard ''Galactica'', Six urges Baltar to give an interview to try to win people over to thinking that he should be running the Fleet. Baltar performs badly as he begins his interview but, fortunately, his interview is interrupted by a Cylon attack that Biers chooses to film instead ([[Final Cut]]).
*Baltar aids in trying to overcome the Cylon [[logic bomb]] which devastates ''Galactica's'' [[computers]]. Tigh's dislike of Baltar's involvement in this problem makes the scientist edgy enough to retort, "I'm sorry. Do you want to survive this one or not, Colonel?" ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])
[[image:baltargina.jpg|Baltar with Gina, the Cylon prisoner from ''Pegasus''.|thumb]]
*[[Helena Cain|Admiral Helena Cain]] requests that Baltar examine ''Pegasus' '' own Cylon prisoner to see what information he could glean from it. Baltar is horrified to discover the Cylon was a terribly abused and tortured copy of Number Six named "[[Gina]]". Baltar vows to help her and begins by having her restraints removed and bringing food to her ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).
*Over the course of his examination of Gina, he uncovers both her wish to die and the secret of the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]]. He passes this information to Adama and Admiral Cain, who develop an [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|operation to destroy it]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
*Baltar continues to spend time with Gina, eventually helping her escape from the brig. He tells Gina that he can hide her, and also that he loves her. Gina goes on to kill Cain and escapes from ''Pegasus'' through unexplained means ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
*Torn between the "flesh and blood" copy of the [[Number Six]] copy, Gina, the demands of his internal Number Six, and his continuing attempt to cover his own multiple duplicities, Baltar becomes more aggressive and confrontational. With President Roslin's advice to abort the Cylon-hybrid fetus of the incarcerated [[Sharon Valerii]], Baltar reacts to defend it as if it were his own child. Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] admonishes Baltar, telling him that, on Roslin's death, he will become President and that he needs to behave like one.
*Desperate to save Valerii's fetus, Baltar reviews Dr. [[Cottle]]'s medical tests and performs experiments of his own, learning a striking revelation: the blood of the fetus can destroy cancer and repair its damage to human tissue.<ref name="stemcells">According to the writer's original planning, this was due to the presence of Cylon [[Wikipedia:stem cells|stem cells]] in the fetus's blood. This explanation was absent in the final shooting script.</ref> With Admiral Adama's permission, he injects the dying President Roslin with some of the fetal blood, which works miraculously, saving both Roslin and Valerii's child by circumstance ([[Epiphanies]]).
*Baltar keeps his [[fumarello]] supply fresh by trading in the [[black market (organization)|black market]] through new ''Pegasus'' Commander [[Jack Fisk]]. Not realizing that Fisk had been murdered, the scientist visits Fisk's quarters, only to meet Captain [[Lee Adama]], who has started an investigation on the black market and Fisk's murder. Baltar truthfully tells Adama that he knows nothing of Fisk's murder, but Adama correctly deduces Baltar's association with Fisk and the black market since the "[[Caprican Imperial]]" fumarellos are a known favorite of Baltar's ([[Black Market]]).

=== Increasing political ambitions ===

*After saving Roslin's life, Baltar reads the letter given to him in the event of her death, in which she says he lacks compassion and asks him to open his heart if he becomes president. Furious, and goaded on by Six who tells him that Roslin doesn't trust him, Baltar delivers the nuclear warhead used for the Cylon detector to Gina and her militant [[Demand Peace]] movement.
*Baltar is also unaware that his involvement in the destruction of the Colonies is partially revealed. In ''Galactica's'' sickbay, Laura Roslin recalled those final days on Caprica, and remembered Baltar in the company of a [[Number Six|woman]] on Caprica who she knows now is a Cylon ([[Epiphanies]]).
*Baltar is summoned to ''[[Colonial One]]'', where Roslin offers him, without explanation, the chance to resign from the Vice Presidency to return to his studies. Baltar becomes immediately suspicious (and frightened) in Roslin's succinct and direct vote of no-confidence in her vice president. Realizing that the Vice Presidency now has greater importance (if nothing other than to save his own hide), Baltar turns down what Roslin calls a "one-time offer" to save himself as he saved Roslin on her deathbed ([[Black Market]]).

[[Image:Baltarlaydownburdensii.jpg|Gaius Baltar as President, from ''Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II''.|thumb]]
*Dr. Baltar decides (with no small influence from Six and [[Tom Zarek]]) to run for President in the coming Colonial Elections ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

=== New Caprica ===

*Roslin is declared the winner of the elections, but is caught by Adama for manipulating the tally. Baltar is declared president. While Baltar demands an investigation initially, he backs down under Adama's glare.
*President Baltar orders the Fleet to return to the marginally habitable planet [[New Caprica]] seconds after his inauguration. Baltar shows incompetency as president a few days later, when he orders the colonization of the planet. In an attempt to cover up his role in giving Gina the nuclear warhead used to detonate ''[[Cloud Nine]]'', Baltar orders Adama to stop any further investigation into the destruction of ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' and two other ships (he correctly guesses that the conflagration was started by [[Gina]]).
*During his first year in office, Baltar indulges in women, wallows in the incompentence of his administration, and is callously unsympathetic to the supply and resource problems plaguing the new colony, whose inhabitants continue to live in tents. The public, including the labor union lead by [[Galen Tyrol]], is notably displeased with his administration.
*380 days after Baltar's ascention to the presidency, a Cylon armada finds the planet after discovering the radiation cloud left by the destruction of ''[[Cloud 9]]''. This event heralds the return of the dormant virtual Number Six noting to him that "judgement day" has come at last. Copies of a [[Number Five|Five]], [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] meet with Baltar and his cabinet, recommending surrender; it is here that he is reunited with the Six he fell in love with on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*After four months of Cylon occupation, the citizens of New Caprica despise their president. Baltar fears for his life and turns down public appearances, such as the [[New Caprica Police]] Academy graduation, to avoid assassination attempts ([[Occupation]]). It is even commented by the Cylon occupiers while discussing the notion of public executions to discourage uprising that publicly executing Baltar would be counterproductive, since the populace would cheer his death.
*Baltar is diposed after Admiral Adama organizes and executes a [[Battle of New Caprica|daring rescue mission]] of New Caprica's occupied inhabitants. During the exodus of those willing to leave New Caprica, Baltar happens across the dead body of [[Maya]] and the Cylon hybrid [[Hera]], and stays behind with the Cylons ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

=== Among the Cylons ===

*Once on board the basestar, Baltar must prove his worth to the Cylons or be killed. He seeks help from the basestar's [[hybrid]], and gleans information which leads the Cylon fleet to the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], where they recover an ancient beacon. The beacon is also a plague carrier. To further prove his worth, Baltar takes on a mission to the dying basestar ([[Torn]]).
*Baltar is tortured by a Number Three for information on the viral plague. Misinterpreting his screams of love for the Internal Six as feeling for her, Number Three enters into a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Caprica-Six as well and starts to share a bed with both of them ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).
* Learning more about Cylon culture among them, he develops doubts about his identity, starting to belief that he might be one of the [[final five]] Cylons.

=== Return to the Fleet ===

* Seeking answers to his questions about his identity, Baltar travels with Number Three and [[Cavil]] to the surface of the algae planet in order to visit the [[Temple of Five]]. After killing Cavil and watching the death of Number Three, he is unsuccessful in finding answers, and is captured and returned to ''Galactica'' ([[Rapture]]).
* He attempts to commit suicide and is tortured by [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] and [[William Adama]] under the influence of an [[interrogation drug]]. While offering no substantial information, Roslin's belief that he played a role in the attack on the Twelve Colonies is strengthened. She and Adama decide to give Baltar a public trial instead of quietly executing him ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]).

==Notes==
*There is speculation that Gaius Baltar could be a Cylon himself. See the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation]] article for the pros and cons of this theory.
*[[Ron Moore]] has stated in several episode commentaries that when the role of "Gaius Baltar" was originally written in the script, the writing team never intended Baltar to have a "funny" aspect, but James Callis himself decided to play up that aspect of the frantic predicaments Baltar finds himself in during the [[Miniseries]] (which although the writers never anticipated, they enjoyed, and started writing him with that in mind).
*While [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] were hand-picked for their roles, the rest of the characters were cast by audition: among the actors in the running for the role of "Gaius Baltar" was ''[[w:Two and a Half Men|Two and a Half Men]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Wikipedia:Jon Cryer|Jon Cryer]], though the role ultimately went to [[James Callis]]. Callis was suggested by Angela Mancuso, who ran the studio at the time, who knew him from the ''[[w:Helen of Troy|Helen of Troy]]'' miniseries, in which he played [[w:Menelaus|Menelaus]].<ref>{{cite_book|last=Bassom|first=David|authorlink=|authorlinkurl=|coauthors=|year=2005|title=[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion]]|pages=23|editor=ed. Adam "Adama" Newell|publisher=Titan Books|location=|id=ISBN 1-84576-0972}}</ref>

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The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

2007-02-19T17:47:23Z

Saforrest: Caroline -> Carolanne

:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

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Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] leave the planet due to an issue involving their [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|gods]], settling on 12 worlds some distance away ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their namesakes and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes, although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time<ref>Flag matches with Colonies from "Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.</ref> ([[Home, Part II]]).

The early colonies lived (and fought) more as sovereign nations. By the events of the [[Articles of Colonization]], apparently with the advent of the [[Cylon War]], these worlds unify as a federal republic known as the '''Twelve Colonies of Kobol'''.<ref>Note the difference between the name of the Original Series' counterpart, known as the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|the Twelve Colonies of ''Man'']].</ref>

==Star System==

The star system of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol has not been named.<ref>The 2003 [[Video Game]] and the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] name the home system (or galaxy) for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]]. However, since both the Video Game and Original Series material is of a [[Battlestar Wiki:Separate continuity|separate continuity]], its name for the system is questionable for the Re-imagined Series. In an early script of the miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the Original Series concept.</ref>

Caprica has been shown as an Earth-like world, similar to [[Kobol]] and [[New Caprica]]. No other colonies have been shown to-date. The military base seen in Kara Thrace's flashbacks in "[[Act of Contrition]]" may have been part of the facilities on Picon, the location of [[Fleet Headquarters]], but this cannot be substantiated.

Likewise, it remains unknown whether all of the 12 Colonies are Earth-like, and whether or not Caprica's Earth-like ecosystems are the product of environmental modification or whether they occur naturally, as some sort of parallel evolution.

No descriptions are available of the other colonies in terms of their celestial type: Minor planet, moon, or major planet. However, [[Elosha]] states in the [[miniseries]] that the tribes settle onto "12 worlds." While the use of "worlds" is ambiguous, the colonies are noted as independent celestial bodies.

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin]] mention leaving the [[Wikipedia:Planetary system|star system]], it is unclear whether all twelve colonies are in this star system. However, Caprica, Virgon, and [[Ragnar]] (based on tactical data gathered by Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] in the miniseries)<ref>As the Cylon attack begins, Commander Adama orders Gaeta to plot all space traffic "in the system, friendly or otherwise", in the [[Miniseries, Night 1]].</ref> are located within the same star system ([[Miniseries]]).

The Colonies had approximately 20 billion inhabitants prior to the Cylon attack ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]])<ref>An early draft miniseries script notes a census count of 12 billion individuals. However, the aired information of Saul Tigh's approximation in ''The Resistance'' should be taken as the correct value.</ref>.

The Colonies maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems<ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 Sourced from a January 30, 2005] blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] on Sci-Fi.com.</ref>. Economic activity, such as [[tylium]] mining also occurred outside of the immediate vicinity around the Colonies ([[Hero]]).

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries (constellation)|Aries]]

"Fifteen people died" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled [["Lest We Forget"]]). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hangar. Outside of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], this photo of Aerelon gives viewers the only visual depiction of life on another colony in the Re-imagined Series.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] - ([[Humanoid Cylon#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

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==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius (constellation)|Aquarius]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
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==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]].

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==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Capricornus|Capricorn]]

Caprica is a large blue-green planet. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]], making Caprica effectively the capital of the Twelve Colonies. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]].

Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The series' opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance]] cell, led by [[Samuel Anders]], operated near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] wears), [[fumarella leaf]], [[Caprican Imperial|Caprican cigars]] and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]." What appear to be internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]]. (Born in [[Qualai]])
*[[Carolanne Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]] (Supposedly born on Sagittaron according to Sky One)
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from Sky One he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications and Media===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''
*[[Caprica 5]]
*[[Channel 7 News]]

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Caprica Buccaneers]]

===See also===
* [[Caprica City]]
* [[Caprica Beach]]
* [[Gup's Point]]
* [[Oasis]]
* [[Pilgrim Bay]]
* [[Qualai]]
* [[Martok Valley]]
* [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]

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==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini (constellation)|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are called Gemenese ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]). They are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Most of the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to the federal laws legalizing abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
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==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo (constellation)|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

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==Libris==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libris]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra (constellation)|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed. According to issue 3 of the now-defunct ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]'', the colony's name is "Libris".''

The [[Space Park]], a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

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==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces (constellation)|Pisces]]

Picon is the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]). The colony came under heavy attack during the early stages of the Cylon attack. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Fleet Headquarters is destroyed; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some "unknown hero" ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Picon Panthers]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])

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==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius (constellation)|Sagittarius]]

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after [[Articles of Colonization|unified Colonial rule]], [[Tom Zarek]] of the [[S.F.M.]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there, many years before the fall of the Colonies. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittaron penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

The Sagittarons practice a form of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonial religion]] that can trace its roots for at least over 1,000 years. Like the Gemenese they developed a staunch religious stance but with possibly a greater emphasis on traditional folk practice than scripture. They view medicine as "an abomination, a sin against the gods." This stubbornness has led to a bitter hatred directed towards them by the other Colonies. During the exodus, this is reinforced by the fact that many Sagittarons on New Caprica did not help to fight the Cylons, which increases their rejection, especially among former resistance fighters. The Sagittarons practice a form of [[Wikipedia:herbalism|herbal medicine]], which has lead to derogatory terms such as "stubborn rootsucking jackasses". Dr. Robert expresses skepticism about its effectiveness, however his statement implies that there has not been any serious research on the subject ([[The Woman King]]).

Sagittaron has 5,251 natives residing in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] directly after their colony's destruction ([[33]]).

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Tom Zarek]], [[Vice President (RDM)|Vice President]] of the colonies
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*Mrs. [[King]] ([[The Woman King]])

===Notes===
* Sagittaron is referred to as "Sagittar'''i'''on" in the [[Miniseries]], but this changed to "Sagittaron" when the regular series began.

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==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to a [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] [[Scorpian Fleet Shipyards|shipyard]], where battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the Cylon attack. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate.

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==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

Tauron was reputed to be somewhat of a troublesome colony within the [[Government of the Twelve Colonies|federal system]] of the Colonies, often disobeying directives decided by the colonies and "pushing their luck with the admiralty every chance they got." As a ruse [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] claimed the Taurons were drilling for [[tylium]] ore on a moon that was close to the [[Armistice Line]] ([[Hero]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

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==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo (constellation)|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the Cylon attack began, the bulk of the spacewide offensive by the Colonials began "shaping up" over the planet. The battle ostensibly ends with the destruction of battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'' and the death of Admiral [[Nagala]].

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Saul Tigh

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'''Saul Tigh''' is the [[Executive Officer]] (XO) of ''[[Galactica]]'', as well as frequently serving as acting Commander in the place of [[William Adama]]. Before that, he served as Adama's XO on the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]''. A tough but troubled man with a long history of alcoholism, Tigh has served in the [[Colonial Fleet]] since his teenage years, seeing action in both [[Cylon War]]s. He is a widower of the deceased [[Ellen Tigh]].

== Biography ==

=== Background ===
Tigh was born on the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aerelon|Aerelon]].<ref name="aerelon">"Cylon Intelligence Report: Personnel File: Saul Tigh." <u>Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine</u>. Feb./Mar. 2006: 62.</ref> A veteran of the Cylon War, Tigh is sometimes estranged from his wife and has been somewhat disillusioned with his career, seeking refuge in alcoholism - a move which has led many in the crew to view him with contempt ([[Miniseries]], "[[33]]").

He is a third-generation Colonial soldier. [[Saul Tigh (father of)|His father]] was a decorated fighter pilot killed in combat and [[Saul Tigh (grandfather of)|his grandfather]] served under President [[Mueller (president)|Mueller]]. According to [[Billy Keikeya]], Tigh was a published military historian until personal problems became apparent ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

Tigh began his career as a deckhand<ref name="deckhand">''Ibid''. "Saul Tigh entered the fleet as a deckhand but rose through the ranks and was a CPO (Chief Petty Officer) by the time the First Cylon War broke out."</ref>. By the second year of the first [[Cylon War]], he was serving as a gunner's mate onboard the ''[[Brenik]]''. His ship was boarded by the Cylons where he and others fought in hand to hand combat, during the bloodiest time of that war. It was during this battle that he saw his first dead man, [[Duncan Rafferty]], who was violently vivisected by Centurions ([http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/202/deleted1.html deleted scene], [[Valley of Darkness]]). His ship was subsequently destroyed and he survived. He was transferred to another unnamed ship, which succumbed to a similar fate as his original ship. Having borne witness to many a bloody combat, he became emotionally scarred, which had, among other impetuses, led him to alcoholism.
[[Image:Tighadama.jpg|Tigh and Adama's first meeting.|left|thumb]]

Tigh eventually achieved the rank of Chief Petty Officer ([[Galen Tyrol]]'s position on ''Galactica''). When Viper pilot numbers began running low in the war, Tigh was drafted into Colonial Officer Candidate School and was reassigned as a Viper pilot.<ref>{{cite rdm podcast|episode=Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down}}</ref> As a pilot, he demonstrated considerable skill, earning several medals while posted aboard the battlestar ''[[Athena (Battlestar)|Athena]]''.<ref name="athena">''Ibid''. "Tigh joined the Colonial Officer Candidate School and was reassigned as a Viper pilot, something he excelled in, earning a string of medals in his post aboard the battlestar Athena."</ref>

After the cessation of hostilities, he was dismissed from service and eked out an existence as a deckhand aboard a commercial freighter. Tigh clearly experienced signs of post-traumatic stress disorder; he commented that every time he smelled grease or machine oil he would nearly vomit, as this smell reminded him of the "stink" of Centurions ([[Valley of Darkness]], [[List of Deleted Scenes|deleted scene]]). While on board, he drowned himself in alcohol and, after a time, encountered [[William Adama]], who had not seen as much combat experience as Tigh himself. They became fast friends, and remained in touch after Adama reenlisted with the service. Two years later, Tigh found himself reinstated into the Colonial Fleet at the rank of captain, thanks to his old friend, and now major, Adama.<ref name="adama">''Ibid''. "Adama reenlisted with the service and Tigh spent two years drinking before Adama pulled strings to get him back into service. Tigh was straightening his life out when he met his wife Ellen, whom he courted and married within two months, about 7 years before the [[Miniseries]]. Unfortunately, Ellen did not take well to military life and her repeated infidelities drove Tigh back into the bottle. The two separated shortly before the Cylon attack.</ref>

Following the Cylon attack, Tigh recovered some of his old verve and attempted to give up alcohol. However, this, combined with the initial stress of flight from the Cylons caused him to over-compensate as a martinet, frequently driving the personnel overly-hard, and berating where encouragement would prove the better option ([[33]]). He excused this by using the truism that the XO is supposed to be the "hard face" of command.
[[image:33-Tigh_Adama.jpg|thumb|right|"If the crew doesn't hate the XO, then he's not doing his job."]]
With his drinking problem relatively under control, Tigh settled back into his role as the ''Galactica's'' Executive Officer and proved himself both honest and level-headed - if still hard on himself and others - in a number of circumstances, and he provided the kind of support [[William Adama|Adama]] needed.

During Cylon attacks, Tigh has proved himself to be an excellent battle manager and tactician. His quick actions sometimes saved the ship and [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] from damage or destruction ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]], [[Scattered]], [[Valley of Darkness]]).

Tigh is uneasy around President [[Laura Roslin]] ([[Water]]), and resents what he sees as her interfering with Adama's command ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]) - something born out of his deep respect for Adama which even the most heated of disagreements between them ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]) cannot disrupt.

Tigh personally dislikes [[Kara Thrace]], one of ''Galactica's'' pilots and, while grudgingly conceding she is a fine pilot, does not understand what Adama sees in her ([[Miniseries]]). Tigh sees Thrace as an egotistical, insubordinate youngster. While they have tried to bury the hatchet between them ([[Miniseries]], [[Water]]), there is potentially too much water under the bridge now for them to get completely past their differences.

Outside of Adama, Tigh has few others he regards as confidants aboard ship; and since the initial Cylon attack, he has withdrawn from interacting with the crew during off-duty hours, making him perhaps more isolated than even Adama - who is at least held in awe and respect by the crew.

=== Wife's Return ===
[[image:Tigh_Me_Up_Tigh_Me_Down-Saul_Ellen.jpg|thumb|left|'''Tigh''' and his newly returned wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]], making a toast: "To starting over" ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).]]
Some three weeks after the Cylon attack on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], Tigh is stunned to discover his wife, [[Ellen Tigh|Ellen]], has not been killed as he had thought, but was rescued from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]], and carried aboard the ''[[Rising Star (RDM)|Rising Star]]'' as an unconscious "Jane Doe". Whether this reunion will be for his betterment or not remains to be seen.

Despite the emotional implications from the destruction of the Colonies and life aboard the ship, Tigh is reluctantly thrust further into politics as his wife plays her schemes. Much to his disdain, his wife attempts to procure photo opportunities with the likes of [[Tom Zarek]] -- a person Tigh views with the utmost contempt ([[Colonial Day]]). Additionally, Ellen seems to re-establish Tigh's alcoholism with gratuitous drinking.

Despite this, Adama sends Tigh with a squadron of [[Colonial Marine Corps|marines]] to arrest [[Laura Roslin]] after Adama discovers that she convinced [[Kara Thrace]] to [[FTL|Jump]] back to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] to retrieve a historical artifact called the [[Arrow of Apollo]] from the Delphi Museum. This action deprives the Fleet of a crucial military asset -- a captured [[Cylon Raider]], intended to have been used to plant a nuclear warhead aboard a basestar in orbit around the planet believed to be [[Kobol]] -- and convinces Adama that Roslin is abusing her authority.

Onboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Tigh's men and Roslin's [[Presidential Security Service|personal security agents]] are at a standoff when [[Lee Adama]] aims a weapon at Tigh's head and attempts to thwart the arrest. Attempting to defuse the situation, Roslin agrees to be arrested and Lee Adama is arrested on charges of treason ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]).

=== Tigh in Command ===
[[Image:Scattered-Tigh.jpg|thumb|right|Tigh realizing he's in a bit over his head ([[Scattered]]).]]
Tigh is present in [[CIC]] during the attempted assassination of Adama by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. As guards restrain Valerii, Tigh attempts to stop the bleeding from the torso gunshot wounds Adama sustained in the attempt ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). Needing reliable officers, Tigh grants Lee Adama a parole from his arrest. After his daily duties as [[CAG]] are done, Lee promises to return to the brig when off-shift.

With Adama incapacitated and with Roslin dethroned, Tigh tries to maintain order. However, his irrational and gruff command style displeases many crewmembers. Morale and ship efficiency began to suffer. Ellen Tigh becomes a private advisor to her husband, frequently questioning his power to command while also suggesting ways of usurping more power and quashing his opponents. Ellen Tigh's advice only exacerbates an already-deteriorating situation.

Tigh's interrogation of suspected Cylon collaborators or infiltrators is brutal. After beating, then nearly shooting the ''Galactica'' copy of Valerii, other issues in the Fleet divert him from further interrogation. He orders a special cage made for her for later interrogation. Tigh also savagely interrogates Valerii's former lover, Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] as a possible [[Humanoid Cylon]] himself. Tigh would have left him with Valerii in the newly built Cylon cage if [[Gaius Baltar]] did not intervene to prove medically that Tyrol is not a Cylon himself.

With Roslin in prison, uprisings begin as civilian ships refuse to supply ''Galactica'' until Roslin is released. Worse, the [[Quorum of Twelve]] demand to see Roslin. Knowing of Roslin's hallucinations in the brig, he intentionally invites the Quorum to see Roslin in her poor state in hopes of disillusioning the Quorum. However, Roslin recovers sufficiently from her [[Chamalla]] withdrawal after getting a supply smuggled to her by Corporal [[Venner]], her guard. Tigh, a secular man, believes that the accounts within the [[Sacred Scrolls]] weren't to be believed, and teases Roslin in front of the Quorum on her visions. Roslin not only is able to speak to the Quorum, but decisively reinforces her decisions as well as her role in the search for the location of Earth as told in the Pythian prophesies. This act greatly impresses the dominantly religious-minded Quorum, and infuriates Tigh; fearing a larger civilan government uprising led by the Quorum. Tigh institutes [[Wikipedia:martial law|martial law]] throughout the Fleet in an attempt to maintain order in a rapidly chaotic shuffle of power between the civilian and military governments ([[Fragged]]).

The supply situation leads Tigh to a poor decision of using Viper pilots to command marines in forcibly retrieving supplies. On [[Gideon|one ship]], a riot leads to four deaths and many injuries due to the pilot's inexperience in managing such a situation. Unlike Adama (who likely would have taken direct responsibility for the "Gideon Massacre"), Tigh places blame solely on the pilot, absolving himself from the incident.

=== Fleet Factioning and Adama's Return ===

The shootings, Tigh's decision for martial law, and his unwillingness to discuss anything with anyone except Ellen Tigh (and the unconscious Adama) becomes the dividing point of those wanting to press on to finding Earth, and those wanting to settle on Kobol ([[Season 2 (2005-06)|Season 2]]). Tigh's drinking spirals further out of control, leading to more erratic behavior and causing great concern regarding his ability to effectively command, particularly among the [[CIC]] staff. The situation comes to a head when Roslin, tacitly aided by other officers and crew on ''Galactica'', escapes the brig in an attempt to hide amongst the many ships in the Fleet with the aid of [[Tom Zarek]]. Tigh chases down the escaping Raptor using the [[CAP]], having the Viper fire across the bow of the fleeing Raptor to persuade it to return. The Raptor brazenly continues onward, leading to a crucial decision for the Colonel. Tigh allows the Raptor to escape rather than shooting it down, which would have killed Adama's son and the President and could have destabilized the fleet.
[[image:Flight_of_the_Phoenix-Tigh_Adama.jpg|thumb|left|Tigh and Adama share a knowing smirk at the commissioning of the [[Blackbird]], ''Laura'' ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).]]

Fortunately for the fleet and Colonel Tigh, Commander Adama regains consciousness shortly after the escape and asks what had happened during his absence. Tigh confesses that he has "frakked things up good," but Adama reassures his friend, saying, "I never had much use for people that second-guessed my decisions, especially if they've never held a command. They don't understand the pressure to make a call that affects the lives of thousands, and you have no one to turn to for backup."

Despite all the serious problems that Tigh created, Adama doesn't blame him, telling Tigh that whatever bad calls were made, they would pick up the pieces together ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

Both Adama (also a rather secular man) and Tigh are astounded at the number of ships that secede from the main fleet to join the [[Laura Roslin faction|faction]] that sought the [[Tomb of Athena]] with President Roslin ([[The Farm]]). Tigh backs up Adama while he maintains a similar official position on Roslin and the separated ships as Tigh has. However, after Adama realizes that survival of the entire Fleet would only come if everyone held together, Adama begins to prepare a journey to Kobol to retrieve the remainder of the Fleet and reach out to Roslin ([[Home, Part I]]). At first Tigh seems to believe that Adama is retrieving the faction by more military means, and scoffs at Roslin's religious views on the quest until he realizes that Adama is beginning to follow Roslin's information, taking her reports and visions seriously. Tigh is left in command while Adama successfully reunites the Fleet and reconciles with Roslin ([[Home, Part II]]).

=== Fallout from [[Gideon|the Gideon Incident]] ===

''Galactica'''s crew never liked Tigh, and Tigh never asked for their love. Still, the ''Gideon'' Incident was possibly the last straw for many in CIC to lose their trust. Aiding President [[Laura Roslin]]'s escape is one example to that ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

After [[William Adama|Adama]] returned to command and Roslin restored to presidency, for a moment the incident was almost forgotten. Before she was invited to ''Galactica'', reporter [[D'anna Biers]] was preparing a story about the incident, which would destroy public's view towards Tigh, and eventually the ''Galactica''. However she dropped the subject in favor of a ''Galactica'' documentary.

Lt. [[Joe Palladino|Joe "Hammerhead" Palladino]], the pilot in charge of the boarding operation to ''Gideon'', eventually lost his temper, presumebly due to D'anna Biers' provocative interview style. He first vandalized Tigh's quarters, then tried to sabotage his [[Raptor]], and finally attacked his wife at the gun point and threatened to kill Tigh. Still, Tigh managed to convince Palladino to drop his weapon, before the room was raided by commandos. This incident was also video taped by Biers' crew, but as far as shown the documentary doesn't mention the ''Gideon'' Incident at all ([[Final Cut]]).

Even though Tigh did his best to evade responsibility of this incident, it is possible to see that his temper and attitude has somehow changed after the command fiasco, like helping [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] with [[Blackbird]] ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

=== ''Pegasus'' Discovered ===

Things once again turn on their head when ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' has a chance encounter with the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', a modern type of battlestar and the flagship of Admiral [[Helena Cain]]. Cain, being the superior officer, assumes complete command of the Fleet. The naturally suspicious Tigh is wary about this mixed blessing, but takes it in stride like everything else up until now. When he begins to regularly speak with ''Pegasus''’s own XO [[Jack Fisk]], his suspicions slowly prove to be well founded.

Fisk's conscience-clearing sessions with Tigh reveal that Admiral Cain was responsible for a set of atrocities, the most damning being the pillaging and stranding of a small civilian fleet in open space. When Tigh relays this information to Commander Adama, Adama reminisces about their own questionable activities, particularly their actions regarding the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''. However, Adama keeps Tigh's warnings in mind and they help him in his decision to stand up to Cain later on ("[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" through "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]").

=== The Election and New Caprica ===
When the Presidential election arrives, Col. Tigh is charged with overseeing the vote tallies on ''Galactica''. When it appears that [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] would win the vote, [[Tory Foster]], President Roslin's aide, approaches Col. Tigh and Petty Officer [[Dualla]] to conspire to steal the election for Roslin, forseeing certain disaster in a Baltar presidency. Tigh, never a fan of Baltar's to begin with, assists in the deception in order to keep Baltar out of office. The plot is overturned when Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] later notices the Colonel's suspicious and stand-offish behaviour regarding the ballot boxes. Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] lets Tigh and Dualla off the hook and the official vote tallies are "revised" without the public learning of the Roslin campaign's attempt to steal the election.

One year later, after the fleet settles on [[New Caprica]] on the orders of President Baltar, most of the military staff have all but retired from active service. Col. Tigh is one of the few officers still serving aboard ''Galactica'', but the day eventually comes when Admiral Adama discharges his friend and XO from his duties to let him return to civilian life with his wife. On the surface of New Caprica, now-Mr. and Mrs. Tigh run into [[Kara Thrace]] at [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Cally]]'s union rally. The former colonel and captain share an unusually warm embrace, having put their differences behind them at some point in the preceding year, or Thrace being happy to see a familiar face of the ''Galactica'' family. Unfortunately, their reunion does not last as a large Cylon fleet appears in orbit over the planet and the Cylons occupy New Caprica without firing a shot. Tigh and his wife are last seen watching in utter shock as [[Cylon Centurion]]s march through the streets of New Caprica City ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

=== Occupation and Resistance ===
Two months into the occupation of New Caprica by the Cylons, Tigh is organizing and recruiting for [[New Caprica Resistance|the resistance on New Caprica]] along with [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Jammer]]. When the Cylons begin to find the weapons hidden by the Resistance, Tigh orders them to be stored in the Temple, believing it to be the safest place as the Cylon respect the sanctity of the Temple and will not search it. When the Cylons discover the weapons, [[Nora]] is shot and [[Cally Tyrol]] and her baby barely escape. This leads several members of the [[New Caprica Resistance]] to question whether Tigh is going too far. After Tigh plans an attack that could endanger patients at a hospital, Jammer reports him to the Cylon authorities ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]). The Cylons imprison Tigh and physically tear his right eye out. He is badly beaten and put into a small holding cell. Ellen's sexual efforts with [[Cavil]] lead to Tigh's eventual release ([[Occupation]]) though this is later revealed to be a Cylon ruse to blackmail Ellen into collaboration with the Cylons as well as find the location of a high level meeting of the Insurgency.

===Escape from New Caprica===
[[Image:Saulellen.jpg|Tigh handing Ellen her poisoned drink.|thumb]]Tigh actively participates in the exodus from New Caprica, leading an attack on the shipyard with Galen Tyrol, during which they are aided by Vipers of ''Galactica's'' [[Blue Squadron]].
[[Image:TighAdamaReunion.jpg|thumb|left|Adama welcomes Tigh back on ''Galactica'' ([[Exodus, Part II]]).]]
Following the exodus, he initially resumes his post as the Executive Officer of ''Galactica'', but is unable to conceal his contempt for those who colluded with the Cylons, such as [[Felix Gaeta]]. In a face-off with Admiral Adama, in which the senior officer orders Tigh to "sleep it off", it is clear that the events on New Caprica - most notably, his wife's death - are still adversely affecting Tigh. Following that he spends a lot of time in his quarters trying to cope with what happened to him on New Caprica and is temporarily replaced by [[Karl Agathon]].

He is also the apparent ringleader of the [[The Circle|Circle]], a group of six people authorised by then-President [[Tom Zarek]], charged with bringing collaborators to justice. Thirteen people fall victim to the Circle's mandate, including [[Jammer]] ([[Collaborators]]).

Tigh is reunited with an old comrade, [[Daniel Novacek|Daniel "Bulldog" Novacek]] and tells him the truth of his last mission. Tigh later stops him when Novacek tries to kill Adama in revenge for being the cause of him spending years as a Cylon captive ([[Hero]]).

Tigh also referees the boxing fights organized to boost morale ([[Unfinished Business]]).

He returns to duty during operations to resupply the Fleet's food stores ([[The Passage]]).

==Notes==
* Tigh's first name has been given as "Paul" on a number of websites. This is based on an early [http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/battlestar/season1/galactica-ms1.pdf version of the script] '''(PDF file)''', which has Adama speaking to "Paul" in their discussion of his fight with Kara Thrace. Since this version of the script has significant differences to the final script, its canonical value is low.
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] has indicated via the [[podcast]] commentary on the episode "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]" that the character's name initially was Paul Tigh. The name, however, had to be changed due to legal issues that Moore was unable to recall in that podcast.
* Tigh is based off the character of Paul Eddington in the movie "[[Wikipedia:In Harm's Way|In Harm's Way]]" portrayed by Kirk Douglas (with John Wayne).
* Tigh's age is one of the only ones which can be accurately deduced. In a [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/202/deleted1.html deleted scene] from [[Valley of Darkness]], we learn that he was serving on the [[Brenik]] when it was boarded during the second year of the Cylon War. Tigh tells us that he was "just a kid. Virgin. Teenager." We know that [[Colonial Day (holiday)|Colonial Day]] is the anniversary of both the unification of the Colonies, and (roughly) the outbreak of the Cylon War (Source: [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 RDM, April 11, 2005]), and was 52 years ago ([[Colonial Day]]). Thus, Tigh is between 63 and 69 years old at the beginning of season 2. Season Three begins about two years after this conversation.
* In the DVD commentary of "[[Act of Contrition]]", Ron Moore notes that actor [[Michael Hogan]] won the role of Tigh over [[Donnelly Rhodes]], who was one of two other actors vying for the part. Rhodes however went on to play the role of [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], ''Galactica'''s CMO.

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Quorum of Twelve (TRS)

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:''This article explains the legislative body in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. For information on its [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Cloud 9 Ballroom.jpg|thumb|The Quorum of Twelve meets for the first time in the ''[[Cloud 9]]'' ballroom.]]

The '''Quorum of Twelve''' is a unicameral deliberative body<ref>The Quorum combines features from the [[Wikipedia: U.N. Security Council| U.N. Security Council]], [[Wikipedia: United States Senate| U.S. Senate]] and the [[Wikipedia: Quorum of the Twelve Apostles| Quorum of the Twelve Apostles]] (a leadership body in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and some other Mormon sects).</ref> that grants each of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|the Twelve Colonies]] one elected representative, who votes on and brings issues to be discussed. The scope of these issues, in the aftermath of the [[Cylon attack]], is likely to be quite broad due to the lack of any other organized political bodies.

It is believed that the Quorum was instituted by the [[Articles of Colonization]]; 52 years prior to the final [[Cylon Attack]]. After the loss of the Quorum under President Adar, [[Laura Roslin|President Laura Roslin]] reestablished a new Quorum on [[Colonial Day (holiday)|Colonial Day]]. Its representatives included:

* [[Tom Zarek]] of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittaron]]
* [[Marshall Bagot]] of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Virgon|Virgon]]
* [[Sarah Porter]] of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]]
* [[Robin Wenutu]] of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Canceron|Canceron]]
* [[Safiya Sanne]] of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Picon|Picon]]
* [[Gaius Baltar]] of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]
* [[Eladio Puasha]] of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Scorpia|Scorpia]]

One of the primary issues of the new Quorum was the election of a Vice President as the Quorum is responsible for the confirmation of the successor to that office. If there is a tie, as was the case during the campaign of Tom Zarek and Gaius Baltar, the President is the one who casts the tie-breaking vote ([[Colonial Day]]).

[[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]]'s Quorum of Twelve previously assembled onboard ''[[Cloud 9]]''.

With ''Cloud 9's'' nuclear destruction moments after [[Gaius Baltar]]'s swearing-in as President of the Twelve Colonies ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]), an undetermined number of Quorum members are killed<ref>Laura Roslin asks President Zarek: "So, Mr. President, how long before the new Quorum of Twelve can be sworn in?" in the episode, "[[Collaborators]]." This suggests that the Quorum was dissolved after ''Cloud 9's'' destruction or sometime in the Baltar admiinistration, before or after the Cylon occupation.</ref>. The Quorum's existence is not explained during Baltar's administration and its surrender to the [[Cylon Occupation Authority]] a year later on [[New Caprica]].

President Tom Zarek oversees the appointment of a new Quorum, who later approves the transition of presidential powers from Zarek to [[Laura Roslin]] after the [[Second Exodus]] ([[Collaborators]]).

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The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

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:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

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Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] leave the planet due to an issue involving their [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|gods]], settling on 12 worlds some distance away ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their namesakes and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes, although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time<ref>Flag matches with Colonies from "Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.</ref> ([[Home, Part II]]).

The early colonies lived (and fought) more as sovereign nations. By the events of the [[Articles of Colonization]], apparently with the advent of the [[Cylon War]], these worlds unify as a federal republic known as the '''Twelve Colonies of Kobol'''.<ref>Note the difference between the name of the Original Series' counterpart, known as the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|the Twelve Colonies of ''Man'']].</ref>

==Star System==

The star system of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol has not been named.<ref>The 2003 [[Video Game]] and the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] name the home system (or galaxy) for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]]. However, since both the Video Game and Original Series material is of a [[Battlestar Wiki:Separate continuity|separate continuity]], its name for the system is questionable for the Re-imagined Series. In an early script of the miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the Original Series concept.</ref>

Caprica has been shown as an Earth-like world, similar to [[Kobol]] and [[New Caprica]]. No other colonies have been shown to-date. The military base seen in Kara Thrace's flashbacks in "[[Act of Contrition]]" may have been part of the facilities on Picon, the location of [[Fleet Headquarters]], but this cannot be substantiated.

Likewise, it remains unknown whether all of the 12 Colonies are Earth-like, and whether or not Caprica's Earth-like ecosystems are the product of environmental modification or whether they occur naturally, as some sort of parallel evolution.

No descriptions are available of the other colonies in terms of their celestial type: Minor planet, moon, or major planet. However, [[Elosha]] states in the [[miniseries]] that the tribes settle onto "12 worlds." While the use of "worlds" is ambiguous, the colonies are noted as independent celestial bodies.

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin]] mention leaving the [[Wikipedia:Planetary system|star system]], it is unclear whether all twelve colonies are in this star system. However, Caprica, Virgon, and [[Ragnar]] (based on tactical data gathered by Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] in the miniseries)<ref>As the Cylon attack begins, Commander Adama orders Gaeta to plot all space traffic "in the system, friendly or otherwise", in the [[Miniseries, Night 1]].</ref> are located within the same star system ([[Miniseries]]).

The Colonies had approximately 20 billion inhabitants prior to the Cylon attack ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]])<ref>An early draft miniseries script notes a census count of 12 billion individuals. However, the aired information of Saul Tigh's approximation in ''The Resistance'' should be taken as the correct value.</ref>.

The Colonies maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems<ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 Sourced from a January 30, 2005] blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] on Sci-Fi.com.</ref>. Economic activity, such as [[tylium]] mining also occurred outside of the immediate vicinity around the Colonies ([[Hero]]).

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries (constellation)|Aries]]

"Fifteen people died" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled [["Lest We Forget"]]). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hangar. Outside of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], this photo of Aerelon gives viewers the only visual depiction of life on another colony in the Re-imagined Series.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] - ([[Humanoid Cylon#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

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==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius (constellation)|Aquarius]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
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==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]].

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==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Capricornus|Capricorn]]

Caprica is a large blue-green planet. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]], making Caprica effectively the capital of the Twelve Colonies. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]].

Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The series' opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance]] cell, led by [[Samuel Anders]], operated near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] wears), [[fumarella leaf]], [[Caprican Imperial|Caprican cigars]] and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]." What appear to be internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]]. (Born in [[Qualai]])
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]] (Supposedly born on Sagittaron according to Sky One)
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from Sky One he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications and Media===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''
*[[Caprica 5]]
*[[Channel 7 News]]

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Caprica Buccaneers]]

===See also===
* [[Caprica City]]
* [[Caprica Beach]]
* [[Gup's Point]]
* [[Oasis]]
* [[Pilgrim Bay]]
* [[Qualai]]
* [[Martok Valley]]
* [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]

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==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini (constellation)|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are called Gemenese ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]). They are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Most of the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to the federal laws legalizing abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
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==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo (constellation)|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

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==Libris==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libris]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra (constellation)|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed. According to issue 3 of the now-defunct ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]'', the colony's name is "Libris".''

The [[Space Park]], a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

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==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces (constellation)|Pisces]]

Picon is the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]). The colony came under heavy attack during the early stages of the Cylon attack. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Fleet Headquarters is destroyed; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some "unknown hero" ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Picon Panthers]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])

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==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius (constellation)|Sagittarius]]

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after [[Articles of Colonization|unified Colonial rule]], [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there, many years before the fall of the Colonies. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittaron penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

The Sagittarons practice a form of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonial religion]] that can trace its roots for at least over a 1,000 years. Like the Gemenese, they developed a more radical religious stance, going as far as refusing modern medical care. This stubbornness has led to a bitter hatred directed towards them by the other Colonies. During the exodus, this is reinforced by the fact that many Sagittarons on New Caprica did not help to fight the Cylons, which increases their rejection, especially among former resistance fighters. The Sagittarons practice a form of [[Wikipedia:herbalism|herbal medicine]], which has lead to the derogatory term "root-suckers". Colonial doctors have expressed skepticism about its effectiveness, however Cottle's statements imply that there has not been any serious research on the subject ([[The Woman King]]).

Sagittaron has 5,251 natives residing in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] directly after their colony's destruction ([[33]]).

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*Mrs. [[King]] ([[The Woman King]])

===Notes===
* Sagittaron is referred to as "Sagittar'''i'''on" in the [[Miniseries]], but this changed to "Sagittaron" when the regular series began.

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==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to a [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] [[Scorpian Fleet Shipyards|shipyard]], where battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the Cylon attack. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate.

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==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

Tauron was reputed to be somewhat of a rogue colony, often disobeying directives decided by the colonies and pushing their luck with the admiralty every chance they got. As a ruse [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] claimed the Taurons were drilling for [[tylium]] ore on a moon that was close to the [[Armistice Line]] ([[Hero]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

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==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo (constellation)|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the Cylon attack began, the bulk of the spacewide offensive by the Colonials began "shaping up" over the planet. The battle ostensibly ends with the destruction of battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'' and the death of Admiral [[Nagala]].

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The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

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:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

{{RDM twelve colonies series}}

Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] leave the planet due to an issue involving their [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|gods]], settling on 12 worlds some distance away ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their namesakes and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes, although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time<ref>Flag matches with Colonies from "Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.</ref> ([[Home, Part II]]).

The early colonies lived (and fought) more as sovereign nations. By the events of the [[Articles of Colonization]], apparently with the advent of the [[Cylon War]], these worlds unify as a federal republic known as the '''Twelve Colonies of Kobol'''.<ref>Note the difference between the name of the Original Series' counterpart, known as the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|the Twelve Colonies of ''Man'']].</ref>

==Star System==

The star system of the Twelve Colonies of Kobol has not been named.<ref>The 2003 [[Video Game]] and the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] name the home system (or galaxy) for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]]. However, since both the Video Game and Original Series material is of a [[Battlestar Wiki:Separate continuity|separate continuity]], its name for the system is questionable for the Re-imagined Series. In an early script of the miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the Original Series concept.</ref>

Caprica has been shown as an Earth-like world, similar to [[Kobol]] and [[New Caprica]]. No other colonies have been shown to-date. The military base seen in Kara Thrace's flashbacks in "[[Act of Contrition]]" may have been part of the facilities on Picon, the location of [[Fleet Headquarters]], but this cannot be substantiated.

Likewise, it remains unknown whether all of the 12 Colonies are Earth-like, and whether or not Caprica's Earth-like ecosystems are the product of environmental modification or whether they occur naturally, as some sort of parallel evolution.

No descriptions are available of the other colonies in terms of their celestial type: Minor planet, moon, or major planet. However, [[Elosha]] states in the [[miniseries]] that the tribes settle onto "12 worlds." While the use of "worlds" is ambiguous, the colonies are noted as independent celestial bodies.

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin]] mention leaving the [[Wikipedia:Planetary system|star system]], it is unclear whether all twelve colonies are in this star system. However, Caprica, Virgon, and [[Ragnar]] (based on tactical data gathered by Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] in the miniseries)<ref>As the Cylon attack begins, Commander Adama orders Gaeta to plot all space traffic "in the system, friendly or otherwise", in the [[Miniseries, Night 1]].</ref> are located within the same star system ([[Miniseries]]).

The Colonies had approximately 20 billion inhabitants prior to the Cylon attack ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]])<ref>An early draft miniseries script notes a census count of 12 billion individuals. However, the aired information of Saul Tigh's approximation in ''The Resistance'' should be taken as the correct value.</ref>.

The Colonies maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems<ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 Sourced from a January 30, 2005] blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]] on Sci-Fi.com.</ref>. Economic activity, such as [[tylium]] mining also occurred outside of the immediate vicinity around the Colonies ([[Hero]]).

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries (constellation)|Aries]]

"Fifteen people died" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled [["Lest We Forget"]]). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hangar. Outside of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], this photo of Aerelon gives viewers the only visual depiction of life on another colony in the Re-imagined Series.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] - ([[Humanoid Cylon#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

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==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius (constellation)|Aquarius]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
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==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]].

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==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Capricornus|Capricorn]]

Caprica is a large blue-green planet. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]], making Caprica effectively the capital of the Twelve Colonies. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]].

Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The series' opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance]] cell, led by [[Samuel Anders]], operated near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] wears), [[fumarella leaf]], [[Caprican Imperial|Caprican cigars]] and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]." What appear to be internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]]. (Born in [[Qualai]])
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]] (Supposedly born on Sagittaron according to Sky One)
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from Sky One he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications and Media===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''
*[[Caprica 5]]
*[[Channel 7 News]]

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Caprica Buccaneers]]

===See also===
* [[Caprica City]]
* [[Caprica Beach]]
* [[Gup's Point]]
* [[Oasis]]
* [[Pilgrim Bay]]
* [[Qualai]]
* [[Martok Valley]]
* [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]

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==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini (constellation)|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are called Gemenese ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]). They are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Most of the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to the federal laws legalizing abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
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==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo (constellation)|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

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==Libris==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libris]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra (constellation)|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed. According to issue 3 of the now-defunct ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]'', the colony's name is "Libris".''

The [[Space Park]], a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

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==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces (constellation)|Pisces]]

Picon is the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]). The colony came under heavy attack during the early stages of the Cylon attack. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Fleet Headquarters is destroyed; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some "unknown hero" ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Picon Panthers]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])

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==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius (constellation)|Sagittarius]]

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after [[Articles of Colonization|unified Colonial rule]], [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there, many years before the fall of the Colonies. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittaron penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

The Sagittarons practice a form of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonial religion]] that can trace its roots for at least over a 1,000 years. Like the Gemenese, they developed a more radical religious stance, going as far as refusing modern medical care. This stubbornness has led to a bitter hatred directed towards them by the other Colonies. During the exodus, this is reinforced by the fact that many Sagittarons on New Caprica did not help to fight the Cylons, which increases their rejection, especially among former resistance fighters. The Sagittarons practice a form of [[Wikipedia:herbalism|herbal medicine]], which has lead to the derogatory term "root-suckers". Colonial doctors have expressed skepticism about its effectiveness, however Cottle's statements imply that there has not been any serious research on the subject ([[The Woman King]]).

Sagittaron has 5,251 natives residing in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] directly after their colony's destruction ([[33]]).

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*Mrs. [[King]] ([[The Woman King]])

===Notes===
* Sagittaron is referred to as "Sagittar'''i'''on" in the [[Miniseries]], but this changed to "Sagittaron" when the regular series began.

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==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to a [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] [[Scorpian Fleet Shipyards|shipyard]], where battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the Cylon attack. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate.

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==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

Tauron was reputed to be somewhat of a rogue colony, often disobeying directives decided by the colonies and pushing their luck with the admiralty every chance they got. As a ruse [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] claimed the Taurons were drilling for [[tylium]] ore on a moon that was close to the [[Armistice Line]] ([[Hero]]).

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

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==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo (constellation)|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the Cylon attack began, the bulk of the spacewide offensive by the Colonials began "shaping up" over the planet. The battle ostensibly ends with the destruction of battlestar ''[[Atlantia (RDM)|Atlantia]]'' and the death of Admiral [[Nagala]].

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The Woman King

2007-02-13T20:29:14Z

Saforrest: Sagittaron

{{Episode Data
| title= The Woman King
| image=TWK-1.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 14
| guests=
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 314
| rating=
| US airdate= 2007-02-11
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,401
| prev= [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]
| next= [[A Day in the Life]]
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== Overview ==
:''[[Helo]] investigates the claims of Sagittarons that a doctor is discriminating against them by providing substandard medical care.

== Summary ==
===Teaser===
*Helo, in his quarters with his sleeping [[Sharon Agathon|wife]] and [[Hera Agathon|daughter]], is fitful and cannot sleep. He tries to get some work done but falls asleep later in the morning.
*The population of [[Camp Oil Slick|Dogsville]] on ''[[Galactica]]'' is increasing by 300. Helo is tasked to managing the needs of the populace camped there while other pilots continue their usual flight duties.
*Many civilians call to Helo, asking him to keep them physically separated from the Sagittarons.
*Dualla is also on the floor, trying to defuse a problem with Mrs. [[King]] and her son, [[Willie King]], as a civilian physician, [[Michael Robert]], tries to examine anyone he can see.
*Dr. Robert sees a frightening pattern of people coughing and tells [[Saul Tigh]], an old friend of his who just arrived on the floor, to leave the area.
*Helo sees the pattern of sickness as well when King's son collapses to the floor.

===Act 1===
*[[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] meets with Helo, Dr. Robert, Colonel Tigh and Dr. [[Cottle]] to discuss the sickness.
*The cause, [[Mellorak infection]], is transmitted by touch only and is curable with a drug, [[bittamucin]]. While a dangerous disease that is fatal in its advanced stages after 48 hours, the disease is curable if caught early.
*The complication involves the Sagittarons, who believe that physicians and medications from them are an abomination to the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Gods]] and will not likely accept any medication. They have practiced their shunning of conventional medical care for over 1,000 years.
*The stocks are low in any case, and Adama orders immediate inoculations of key crew and medication used only when someone shows definitive signs of the disease.
*Helo watches as some of Sagittarons use a curative root extract in an attempt to stave off the illness.
*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] explains how [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial will go with her vice president, [[Tom Zarek]].
*Zarek warns, visibly agitated, that a trial like this would be a "hurricane" that would cause pandemonium in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Roslin is left visibly worried as she realizes that Zarek was genuinely frightened of the possibility of trial.
*Helo continues to take complaints, many from other Colonials who want to be moved away from the Sagittarons. King arrives to not only tell Helo of her son's death, but that she made a mistake in trusting Dr. Robert. Helo believes that she waited too long, but she notes that her son was only sick for 12 hours, well within the 48 hour cure window, making Helo suspicious.

===Act 2===
*Dr. Robert tells of other deaths as Helo questions him about the King son's death. Robert deflects comments while giving Helo his inoculation, and notes commenting favorably to him to Col. Tigh.
*[[Margaret Edmondson]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Lee Adama]], [[Anastasia Dualla]], [[Kara Thrace]] and many others are at [[Joe's bar]] taking a break. Some are playing the [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] arcade game. When [[Connor]] calls Edmondson by the name of "Marge," the [[Raptor]] pilot tells him that her shot accuracy is improved when she imagines the pyramid target as his face when throwing.
*Tyrol becomes drunk and begins to tell how the Sagittarons did not help fight on [[New Caprica]]. He personally believes that those colonists do not deserve any of the medication. Major Adama orders him to stop commenting once it becomes clear that Dualla, a Sagittaron herself, was becoming uncomfortable.
*Dualla agrees with some of Tyrol's drunken commentary in regards to her fellow colonists' stubborness, but notes her specific dislike of Dr. [[Cottle]].
*Sharon Agathon is visiting the incarcerated [[Caprica-Six]], discussing Baltar. Six's [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Baltar]] appears to counter Agathon's thoughts on helping the Colonials.
*Six talks with her virtual Baltar, who tells her that the "trick" of behaving like a human is to think only of yourself.
*As Six kisses the virtual Baltar, President Roslin and [[Tory Foster]] are listening and watching Six nearby by hidden surveillance, and question who or what she is speaking to.
*A riot occurs in the camp, and Helo and the marines scramble to save Dr. Robert, who is at the center of the attack. Many Sagittarons accuse him of murder.
*Robert admits to administering the rationed drug without patient consent, particularly to one of the Sagittaron's noted fundamental members. The doctor becomes irritated at Helo's probing questions.
*Helo reports to Admiral Adama of Robert's behavior, with Cottle present. Neither man believes Helo's report is credible, and Adama dismisses him, telling him that he has more pressing matters than dealing with what he believes are unfounded accusations.
*Tigh catches up with Helo and tells him that accusing Robert is doing little to help Helo's overall credibility with the Fleet command. When Tigh insults Helo's wife, the captain punches him.
*Tigh takes the blow without arresting Helo, but warns that further accusations will further diminish his reputation in the Fleet.

===Act 3===
*Sharon Agathon tells her husband that their daughter is sick, having been pulled off [[CAP]] to help her child.
*Despite Helo's worries about Robert, Hera is given the drug and sedatives.
*Helo returns a bracelet from Willie King's body to Mrs. King. Before she leaves, he asks why she let her son be treated if she was previously warned. She explained that she did so because she didn't believe that anyone could have so much hatred inside them as to kill a patient. She leaves, refusing to discuss further.
*In their quarters, the Agathons argue, Helo questions whether he is getting damning treatment for being the husband of a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], and his other actions.
*Helo visits [[sickbay]], but finds it empty. He searches the medical records of patients from New Caprica and finds a shocking correlation.
*Cottle enters and tries to order Helo out of the office, threatening arrest. He shows that, unlike other colonists, the mortality rate of Sagittarons is over 90%. When asked to perform an autopsy on Willie King, Cottle tells Helo he's already done so, and Helo leaves, defeated and angry.
*Dualla, with her dislike of Cottle on record, visits Dr. Robert, asking for Bittamucin. She shows the first signs of Mellorak infection.
*On the night phase on the ship, King sneaks away from the refugee camp to Helo's quarters to warn him that Dualla had sought Dr. Robert's help after she began to show symptoms, also noting two other Sagittaron deaths. Helo realizes that, if his instincts are right, Dualla is in serious trouble. Marines appear to escort King away as Help quickly dresses and heads to the camp, against his wife's warnings and anger about having to fight for respect every day aboard ''Galactica''.
*Out of uniform and yelling for people to move out of the way, Helo storms through the encampment, frantically searching for and finding Dualla, lying a cot, motionless and unconscious, and desperately checks her vital signs.

===Act 4===
*Helo couldn't find immediate life signs and fears he's too late until Dualla stirs. She is alive, but very lethargic from medication that Robert administered.
*Helo attempts to move her to help from Dr. Cottle when Dr. Robert appears and stops him from leaving, calling for security to assist him. Dualla, in her delirium, shouts not to be treated by Cottle. Marines hear only part of the conversation and order Helo to stand down.
*A security detail separates Dualla from Helo, and sidearms are pulled as Robert orders the marines to arrest Helo.
*Colonel Tigh and Dr. Cottle arrives with additional marines, but instead of taking sides with Robert, Tigh berates Robert.
*Cottle explains to Helo that he didn't actually perform the toxicology test on King's son before finding Helo in his office. The autopsy revealed high levels of a toxic bisphosphnate, but no traces of the drug used to treat the disease. Cottle notes similar results in several other patients.
*Robert explains that his actions were a form of mercy-killing to save precious resources. Cottle questions his "do no harm" oath as Robert reminds Tigh of a time where they spoke in a derogative manner about Sagittarons.
*Tigh orders Helo to arrest Robert.
*Later, Admiral Adama apologizes to Helo for his actions in trying to show Robert's actions as well as other morally questionable issues in recent days. Helo returns Adama's apology with a perfect salute, finally feeling vindicated and respected.
*Agathon returns to his family, his daughter in her arms, and gives his wife a kiss.

===Bonus Scene===

*A bonus scene shows Helo in Adama's office, apparently at the time of Adama's apology. In this cut scene, Helo confesses to the sabotage of [[A Measure of Salvation|an aborted Cylon offensive]] to destroy the Cylons through biological weaponry. Adama asks Helo if he thinks this was the right time to bring this matter to his attention.
*This scene meshes with Adama's comment about the lack of a "voice in the wilderness" when Helo has questioned Fleet decisions on the Cylon genocide issue, the Sagittarons, and his unborn daughter's own fate [[Epiphanies|''in utero'' months before]].

== Questions ==

* What is the current status of the Fleet's medical supplies? Was the stockpile of vaccines and medicines that ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' had before its destruction ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]) transferred over to the civilian ships before the [[Battle of New Caprica]]?

* Does Roslin suspect Caprica-Six of communicating with the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] due to her hallucinations of Baltar?

* How many other civilian medical doctors are there in the Fleet?

* Why did [[Hera]] need the medication for a curable disease, while her blood was used to cure breast cancer for President Roslin?

* When did the hatred and bitterness towards the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Sagittaron|Sagittarons]] begin in Colonial history?

* How different are the Sagittarons and [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] in regard to their religious beliefs? What traditions and ceremonies do the Sagittarons still practice that the rest of the Colonies have abandoned?

* Who submitted Hera to Dr. Robert's care? [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] was away at CAP and Helo wasn't informed of Hera's well-being.

* What is the condition of Starbuck's and Anders's marriage? Why is he not seen with Starbuck in Joe's bar? Is he still living away from Galactica?

== Analysis ==
* This is the first major episode that features Saggitarons in a more in-depth manner. We learn more about Tom Zarek and Anastasia Dualla's relation to their colony of origin, originally established in "[[Bastille Day]]".

* The Sagittarons' belief system appears to be modeled on various modern day religious sects that oppose the use of medical technology and/or are pacifist in their political views. Religious sects, such as the Jehovah Witnesses and Christian Scientists in the past have taken such views and had been highly criticized and persecuted.

* Mrs. King name might be derived from Martin Luther King Jr. as Mrs. King is portrayed as an individual who wants justice for the prejudice that she and her son received. It is her initial step of approaching Helo that causes the murders of her people to eventually cease.

* Similar to Baltar's internal-Six, Caprica-Six's internal Baltar appears at a moment of self-doubt and fear. Interestingly, this version of internal-Baltar seems opposed to Caprica-Six siding with the humans, while back in "[[Downloaded]]", he told her that he loved her so deeply once she made the decision to reach out to humanity.

* The Saggitarons appear to be the last human colony that still maintains most of its original roots from the founding of the colonies. According to the other characters such as Tigh, they still practice rituals and beliefs that are at least over 1000 years old. This may be the date when the other colonies began to let go of their religious convictions and origins.

* Though shown briefly, when the pilots (Apollo, Starbuck, and [[Racetrack]]) are walking past Helo in the corridor, it should be noted that Racetrack momentarily flirts with Helo when she holds onto his arm with Athena present. This hails back to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with Leah Cairns who stated that she and Tahmoh Penikett play their scenes together as though there is a sexual attraction between the two characters, while Athena remains unaware.

* Adama displays one of his character traits when he apologized to Helo for not believing him about Dr. Robert. This is reminiscent of the moment when Adama offered Roslin his forgiveness when she took a part of the fleet in search of the Arrow of Apollo. Instead of forgiveness, Adama offered Helo his apology and stated, as he did with Roslin, that it didn't matter whether Helo asked or needed it, Helo still had it.

*In the real world, Robert's poisons, known as bisphosphantes, are a family of drugs used to treat certain bone cancers and [[w:osteoporesis|osteoporesis]] in some women. The use of the drug by real world definition correlates with Cottle's notation of acute cellular disruption, which could happen with such drugs.

== Notes ==
* The title doesn't literally refer to a king, but to a female character named [[King]].

*The title of this episode is spoken aloud in dialog between characters.

* [[Bruce Davison]]'s character [[Robert|Dr. Robert]] may be a reference to a song by The Beatles entitled "Dr. Robert". The song is about a doctor who prescribes illicit drugs. The [[A Day in the Life|next episode]] also contains a Beatles reference in its title.

*Dualla is noted as a Sagittaron. This was previously established in "[[33]]" and "[[Bastille Day]]".

*Tom Zarek was granted the Vice Presidency, despite his actions in "[[Collaborators]]".

*[[Racetrack]]'s given name, establshed in "[[Final Cut]]", is used in dialogue for the first time. [[Charlie Connor|Connor]] calls her "Marge", which seems to irritate her.

*Information from the podast:
** The Sagittaron-focused storyline, was originally intended to play a larger role in the upcoming Baltar trial. However, in post-production, it was decided that the trial needed to go into an entirely different direction, thus cutting out most of the Sagittaron build up in other episodes.
** Tom Zarek's fear that is noted by Roslin was originally based on Zarek's fear that like Gaeta, Baltar would attempt to implicate him in an incident with the Sagittarons on New Caprica. There is a deleted scene in which Zarek talks with Baltar and tries to figure out what Baltar plans to say about the event.
** RDM acknowledged that the explicit racism expressed by Tigh and Tyrol appeared very forced as it was never alluded to before. It was necessary at the time because of the original role that the Sagittarons were suppose to factor into Baltar's trial. However, once the decision was made to not focus on an event that the audience has not seen firsthand, the scenes now stand alone.
** The broader theme of the episode was suppose to portray Helo as a man who desired to prove his worth again to the leadership. The guilt and struggle he felt of [[A Measure of Salvation|sabotaging the biological weapon]] is the main factor that causes him to appear as the boy who cries "wolf" to Adama and Tigh. The deleted scene from the episode ran along those lines and explicitly displays Helo's guilt for having disobeyed his orders.
** The re-introduction of Caprica-Six' internal Baltar was an explicit order from RDM to the writing staff after initial reluctance. This accomplished at least two purposes. First, it established that Caprica-Six was never freed from these visions of her internal Baltar, and that she still has to deal with her visions. Secondly, in the grander theme of the show, the internal Baltar and Six will play major roles in the unfolding of the series.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Bruce Davison]] as [[Robert|Dr. Robert]]
*[[Gabrielle Rose]] as [[King|Mrs. King]]

== References ==
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The Woman King

2007-02-13T20:25:37Z

Saforrest: Sagittarons

{{Episode Data
| title= The Woman King
| image=TWK-1.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 14
| guests=
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 314
| rating=
| US airdate= 2007-02-11
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,401
| prev= [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]
| next= [[A Day in the Life]]
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}}

== Overview ==
:''[[Helo]] investigates the claims of Sagittarons that a doctor is discriminating against them by providing substandard medical care.

== Summary ==
===Teaser===
*Helo, in his quarters with his sleeping [[Sharon Agathon|wife]] and [[Hera Agathon|daughter]], is fitful and cannot sleep. He tries to get some work done but falls asleep later in the morning.
*The population of [[Camp Oil Slick|Dogsville]] on ''[[Galactica]]'' is increasing by 300. Helo is tasked to managing the needs of the populace camped there while other pilots continue their usual flight duties.
*Many civilians call to Helo, asking him to keep them physically separated from the Sagittarons.
*Dualla is also on the floor, trying to defuse a problem with Mrs. [[King]] and her son, [[Willie King]], as a civilian physician, [[Michael Robert]], tries to examine anyone he can see.
*Dr. Robert sees a frightening pattern of people coughing and tells [[Saul Tigh]], an old friend of his who just arrived on the floor, to leave the area.
*Helo sees the pattern of sickness as well when King's son collapses to the floor.

===Act 1===
*[[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] meets with Helo, Dr. Robert, Colonel Tigh and Dr. [[Cottle]] to discuss the sickness.
*The cause, [[Mellorak infection]], is transmitted by touch only and is curable with a drug, [[bittamucin]]. While a dangerous disease that is fatal in its advanced stages after 48 hours, the disease is curable if caught early.
*The complication involves the Sagittarons, who believe that physicians and medications from them are an abomination to the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Gods]] and will not likely accept any medication. They have practiced their shunning of conventional medical care for over 1,000 years.
*The stocks are low in any case, and Adama orders immediate inoculations of key crew and medication used only when someone shows definitive signs of the disease.
*Helo watches as some of Sagittarons use a curative root extract in an attempt to stave off the illness.
*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] explains how [[Gaius Baltar]]'s trial will go with her vice president, [[Tom Zarek]].
*Zarek warns, visibly agitated, that a trial like this would be a "hurricane" that would cause pandemonium in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Roslin is left visibly worried as she realizes that Zarek was genuinely frightened of the possibility of trial.
*Helo continues to take complaints, many from other Colonials who want to be moved away from the Sagittarons. King arrives to not only tell Helo of her son's death, but that she made a mistake in trusting Dr. Robert. Helo believes that she waited too long, but she notes that her son was only sick for 12 hours, well within the 48 hour cure window, making Helo suspicious.

===Act 2===
*Dr. Robert tells of other deaths as Helo questions him about the King son's death. Robert deflects comments while giving Helo his inoculation, and notes commenting favorably to him to Col. Tigh.
*[[Margaret Edmondson]], [[Galen Tyrol]], [[Felix Gaeta]], [[Lee Adama]], [[Anastasia Dualla]], [[Kara Thrace]] and many others are at [[Joe's bar]] taking a break. Some are playing the [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] arcade game. When [[Connor]] calls Edmondson by the name of "Marge," the [[Raptor]] pilot tells him that her shot accuracy is improved when she imagines the pyramid target as his face when throwing.
*Tyrol becomes drunk and begins to tell how the Sagittarons did not help fight on [[New Caprica]]. He personally believes that those colonists do not deserve any of the medication. Major Adama orders him to stop commenting once it becomes clear that Dualla, a Sagittaron herself, was becoming uncomfortable.
*Dualla agrees with some of Tyrol's drunken commentary in regards to her fellow colonists' stubborness, but notes her specific dislike of Dr. [[Cottle]].
*Sharon Agathon is visiting the incarcerated [[Caprica-Six]], discussing Baltar. Six's [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Baltar]] appears to counter Agathon's thoughts on helping the Colonials.
*Six talks with her virtual Baltar, who tells her that the "trick" of behaving like a human is to think only of yourself.
*As Six kisses the virtual Baltar, President Roslin and [[Tory Foster]] are listening and watching Six nearby by hidden surveillance, and question who or what she is speaking to.
*A riot occurs in the camp, and Helo and the marines scramble to save Dr. Robert, who is at the center of the attack. Many Sagittarons accuse him of murder.
*Robert admits to administering the rationed drug without patient consent, particularly to one of the Sagittaron's noted fundamental members. The doctor becomes irritated at Helo's probing questions.
*Helo reports to Admiral Adama of Robert's behavior, with Cottle present. Neither man believes Helo's report is credible, and Adama dismisses him, telling him that he has more pressing matters than dealing with what he believes are unfounded accusations.
*Tigh catches up with Helo and tells him that accusing Robert is doing little to help Helo's overall credibility with the Fleet command. When Tigh insults Helo's wife, the captain punches him.
*Tigh takes the blow without arresting Helo, but warns that further accusations will further diminish his reputation in the Fleet.

===Act 3===
*Sharon Agathon tells her husband that their daughter is sick, having been pulled off [[CAP]] to help her child.
*Despite Helo's worries about Robert, Hera is given the drug and sedatives.
*Helo returns a bracelet from Willie King's body to Mrs. King. Before she leaves, he asks why she let her son be treated if she was previously warned. She explained that she did so because she didn't believe that anyone could have so much hatred inside them as to kill a patient. She leaves, refusing to discuss further.
*In their quarters, the Agathons argue, Helo questions whether he is getting damning treatment for being the husband of a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], and his other actions.
*Helo visits [[sickbay]], but finds it empty. He searches the medical records of patients from New Caprica and finds a shocking correlation.
*Cottle enters and tries to order Helo out of the office, threatening arrest. He shows that, unlike other colonists, the mortality rate of Sagittarons is over 90%. When asked to perform an autopsy on Willie King, Cottle tells Helo he's already done so, and Helo leaves, defeated and angry.
*Dualla, with her dislike of Cottle on record, visits Dr. Robert, asking for Bittamucin. She shows the first signs of Mellorak infection.
*On the night phase on the ship, King sneaks away from the refugee camp to Helo's quarters to warn him that Dualla had sought Dr. Robert's help after she began to show symptoms, also noting two other Sagittaron deaths. Helo realizes that, if his instincts are right, Dualla is in serious trouble. Marines appear to escort King away as Help quickly dresses and heads to the camp, against his wife's warnings and anger about having to fight for respect every day aboard ''Galactica''.
*Out of uniform and yelling for people to move out of the way, Helo storms through the encampment, frantically searching for and finding Dualla, lying a cot, motionless and unconscious, and desperately checks her vital signs.

===Act 4===
*Helo couldn't find immediate life signs and fears he's too late until Dualla stirs. She is alive, but very lethargic from medication that Robert administered.
*Helo attempts to move her to help from Dr. Cottle when Dr. Robert appears and stops him from leaving, calling for security to assist him. Dualla, in her delirium, shouts not to be treated by Cottle. Marines hear only part of the conversation and order Helo to stand down.
*A security detail separates Dualla from Helo, and sidearms are pulled as Robert orders the marines to arrest Helo.
*Colonel Tigh and Dr. Cottle arrives with additional marines, but instead of taking sides with Robert, Tigh berates Robert.
*Cottle explains to Helo that he didn't actually perform the toxicology test on King's son before finding Helo in his office. The autopsy revealed high levels of a toxic bisphosphnate, but no traces of the drug used to treat the disease. Cottle notes similar results in several other patients.
*Robert explains that his actions were a form of mercy-killing to save precious resources. Cottle questions his "do no harm" oath as Robert reminds Tigh of a time where they spoke in a derogative manner about Sagittarons.
*Tigh orders Helo to arrest Robert.
*Later, Admiral Adama apologizes to Helo for his actions in trying to show Robert's actions as well as other morally questionable issues in recent days. Helo returns Adama's apology with a perfect salute, finally feeling vindicated and respected.
*Agathon returns to his family, his daughter in her arms, and gives his wife a kiss.

===Bonus Scene===

*A bonus scene shows Helo in Adama's office, apparently at the time of Adama's apology. In this cut scene, Helo confesses to the sabotage of [[A Measure of Salvation|an aborted Cylon offensive]] to destroy the Cylons through biological weaponry. Adama asks Helo if he thinks this was the right time to bring this matter to his attention.
*This scene meshes with Adama's comment about the lack of a "voice in the wilderness" when Helo has questioned Fleet decisions on the Cylon genocide issue, the Sagittarons, and his unborn daughter's own fate [[Epiphanies|''in utero'' months before]].

== Questions ==

* What is the current status of the Fleet's medical supplies? Was the stockpile of vaccines and medicines that ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' had before its destruction ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]) transferred over to the civilian ships before the [[Battle of New Caprica]]?

* Does Roslin suspect Caprica-Six of communicating with the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] due to her hallucinations of Baltar?

* How many other civilian medical doctors are there in the Fleet?

* Why did [[Hera]] need the medication for a curable disease, while her blood was used to cure breast cancer for President Roslin?

* When did the hatred and bitterness towards the [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Saggitaron|Sagittarons]] begin in Colonial history?

* How different are the Sagittarons and [[Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenese]] in regard to their religious beliefs? What traditions and ceremonies do the Sagittarons still practice that the rest of the Colonies have abandoned?

* Who submitted Hera to Dr. Robert's care? [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] was away at CAP and Helo wasn't informed of Hera's well-being.

* What is the condition of Starbuck's and Anders's marriage? Why is he not seen with Starbuck in Joe's bar? Is he still living away from Galactica?

== Analysis ==
* This is the first major episode that features Saggitarons in a more in-depth manner. We learn more about Tom Zarek and Anastasia Dualla's relation to their colony of origin, originally established in "[[Bastille Day]]".

* The Sagittarons' belief system appears to be modeled on various modern day religious sects that oppose the use of medical technology and/or are pacifist in their political views. Religious sects, such as the Jehovah Witnesses and Christian Scientists in the past have taken such views and had been highly criticized and persecuted.

* Mrs. King name might be derived from Martin Luther King Jr. as Mrs. King is portrayed as an individual who wants justice for the prejudice that she and her son received. It is her initial step of approaching Helo that causes the murders of her people to eventually cease.

* Similar to Baltar's internal-Six, Caprica-Six's internal Baltar appears at a moment of self-doubt and fear. Interestingly, this version of internal-Baltar seems opposed to Caprica-Six siding with the humans, while back in "[[Downloaded]]", he told her that he loved her so deeply once she made the decision to reach out to humanity.

* The Saggitarons appear to be the last human colony that still maintains most of its original roots from the founding of the colonies. According to the other characters such as Tigh, they still practice rituals and beliefs that are at least over 1000 years old. This may be the date when the other colonies began to let go of their religious convictions and origins.

* Though shown briefly, when the pilots (Apollo, Starbuck, and [[Racetrack]]) are walking past Helo in the corridor, it should be noted that Racetrack momentarily flirts with Helo when she holds onto his arm with Athena present. This hails back to an [http://podcasts.lvrocks.com/details.aspx?castid=5 interview] with Leah Cairns who stated that she and Tahmoh Penikett play their scenes together as though there is a sexual attraction between the two characters, while Athena remains unaware.

* Adama displays one of his character traits when he apologized to Helo for not believing him about Dr. Robert. This is reminiscent of the moment when Adama offered Roslin his forgiveness when she took a part of the fleet in search of the Arrow of Apollo. Instead of forgiveness, Adama offered Helo his apology and stated, as he did with Roslin, that it didn't matter whether Helo asked or needed it, Helo still had it.

*In the real world, Robert's poisons, known as bisphosphantes, are a family of drugs used to treat certain bone cancers and [[w:osteoporesis|osteoporesis]] in some women. The use of the drug by real world definition correlates with Cottle's notation of acute cellular disruption, which could happen with such drugs.

== Notes ==
* The title doesn't literally refer to a king, but to a female character named [[King]].

*The title of this episode is spoken aloud in dialog between characters.

* [[Bruce Davison]]'s character [[Robert|Dr. Robert]] may be a reference to a song by The Beatles entitled "Dr. Robert". The song is about a doctor who prescribes illicit drugs. The [[A Day in the Life|next episode]] also contains a Beatles reference in its title.

*Dualla is noted as a Sagittaron. This was previously established in "[[33]]" and "[[Bastille Day]]".

*Tom Zarek was granted the Vice Presidency, despite his actions in "[[Collaborators]]".

*[[Racetrack]]'s given name, establshed in "[[Final Cut]]", is used in dialogue for the first time. [[Charlie Connor|Connor]] calls her "Marge", which seems to irritate her.

*Information from the podast:
** The Sagittaron-focused storyline, was originally intended to play a larger role in the upcoming Baltar trial. However, in post-production, it was decided that the trial needed to go into an entirely different direction, thus cutting out most of the Sagittaron build up in other episodes.
** Tom Zarek's fear that is noted by Roslin was originally based on Zarek's fear that like Gaeta, Baltar would attempt to implicate him in an incident with the Sagittarons on New Caprica. There is a deleted scene in which Zarek talks with Baltar and tries to figure out what Baltar plans to say about the event.
** RDM acknowledged that the explicit racism expressed by Tigh and Tyrol appeared very forced as it was never alluded to before. It was necessary at the time because of the original role that the Sagittarons were suppose to factor into Baltar's trial. However, once the decision was made to not focus on an event that the audience has not seen firsthand, the scenes now stand alone.
** The broader theme of the episode was suppose to portray Helo as a man who desired to prove his worth again to the leadership. The guilt and struggle he felt of [[A Measure of Salvation|sabotaging the biological weapon]] is the main factor that causes him to appear as the boy who cries "wolf" to Adama and Tigh. The deleted scene from the episode ran along those lines and explicitly displays Helo's guilt for having disobeyed his orders.
** The re-introduction of Caprica-Six' internal Baltar was an explicit order from RDM to the writing staff after initial reluctance. This accomplished at least two purposes. First, it established that Caprica-Six was never freed from these visions of her internal Baltar, and that she still has to deal with her visions. Secondly, in the grander theme of the show, the internal Baltar and Six will play major roles in the unfolding of the series.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Bruce Davison]] as [[Robert|Dr. Robert]]
*[[Gabrielle Rose]] as [[King|Mrs. King]]

== References ==
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Talk:Language in the Twelve Colonies/Archive3

2007-02-11T05:07:39Z

Saforrest: /* Valley Girl Accent */

==Radio Alphabet==

''Discussions moved to [[Talk:Colonial Wireless Alphabet]] by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] at 20:07, 10 October 2005 (EDT).''

==Aerelon Accent==
:''(It is probably some subtle nuance that a Colonial character like Baltar could notice, but that is indistinguishable from an American accent to the audience).''

No, listen. None of these characters are actually speaking English. The whole thing is a conceit to make it intelligable to the viewer. I'm sure that in the fictional universe of BSG, Boomer does speak with a "trace of an Aerelon accent", but since the show chooses to represent this as Standard American English, there's little point speculating about phonological variations that we can't hear. It's not a matter of Baltar being able to hear something we can't, the showmakers have just chosen not to give us the information. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:38, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

: Yeah. I tend to agree. My agreement is influenced by a couple of things in addition to the above.

: '''One:''' I have a BA in Linguistics. I know a bit about accents and the sounds of human speech, etc. I'm also somewhat used to hearing differences in sounds that most Anglophones aren't used to (like distinctions that are meaningful in other languages, but not in English). These two things make it hard for me to believe that, after reading about this theory and listening to Boomer speak with the purpose of hearing an accent, I'd somehow be unable to hear it simply because I'm ''missing'' it.

: '''Two:''' I'm a rather large Tolkien dork and am familiar with the idea of "translating" something into English for the benefit of English-speaking viewers (to say nothing of over-dubbed versions of this show for non-English-speaking viewers. Additionally, being familiar with Tolkien's special flavor of language-centric crazy, I don't get that, well, vibe from RDM. He seems much more interested in the story and the cinematics than correctly representing the names of people from Dale as corrupted Old English names in order to show their long-ago linguistic connection to the Rohirrim, whose language is tacitly represented by Old English--as he should be.

: If, for whatever reason, the BSG production/directoral staff were interested in drawing parallels to Colonial accents with the use of English accents, it would be much more apparent. What is more likely is, as Peter posits, they aren't giving us the information. That's been screened out if for no other reason than the fact that they didn't really think about it. It's not a big deal. I think this is evidenced by Baltar's remark about Boomer's accent, actually. If they were keeping tabs of language enough to care about accents, they would realise the extreme unlikelihood that even a stereotypically recognized majority of an entire planet's population would have an accent that was the same. I mean--What's the most common (and thus, best seen as stereotypically Earthly) accent on our world? Chinese. Which is, you know, not precisely an accent. ;o)

: I think, actually, that the BSG crew ''are'' paying attention to accents, however. It's just not in a way that identifies characters geographically or--whatever. They pick accents that will predispose American and British (and, thus, probably Australian) viewers to certain preconceptions about their characters. Baltar speaks, more or less, the Queen's English, which will predispose Westerners to assume he's intelligent, wealthy, well bred and well educated. Baltar ''is'' these things. Kara Thrace speaks pretty standard American English and does it with a fairly high volume. She assumes the stereotypes of the loud American, so to speak. Notice, too, that the reporter had an English accent. At the end of her documentary, I half expected her to say, "This is D'anna Whatever, BBC news." I don't even ''get'' the BBC in Texas.

: This is getting absurdly lengthy. I apologize. I tend to do this when words are at issue. Anyway, one final point: I don't think the same thing can be neccesarily said for "race". Since where your genes are from, geographically, is a rather more visual thing, I tend to think that this would more easily occur to a TV producer as something worth keeping track of. That doesn't mean that it did and they are, but that most of my arguements here don't apply to that case much. I'll, ah, I'm done now. ;o) --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:31, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:01, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

It is true that Grace Park is a fluent speaker of Korean, but her English--either as Sharon Valerii or as herself in interviews--bears no trace of a Korean accent whatsoever. I am married to a native Korean speaker, have friends and colleagues who speak Korean either as their first or second language, and have been studying the language for a few years myself, so I am absolutely certain that Korean has no bearing on what might or might not be considered an Aerelon accent. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:I tend to agree, but felt like someone would bring up her bilingualism inevitably and that it would be better to address it directly. If Grace Park (and thus Boomer) has a trace of ''any'' accent, it ought to be Korean, so I felt it worth a mention. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::You said that Grace Park's bilingualism would come up eventually. I would recommend limiting discussions of her bilingualism to the actress' bio page. The label "Korean" doesn't meaningfully describe anything that's going on when Sharon/Boomer is speaking. My own Korean is getting good enough that I'm approaching true "bilingual" status, but nobody would use "Korean" to describe my English. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:::Discussing Park's bilingualism on the actress' bio page would not shed any insight for a reader of this page, nor would it allay any questions that such knowledge might raise. I understand that her spoken english is flawless, but the fact that it is not actually her first language is at least marginally relevant here, and is given the footnote it deserves.

:::As for her "northwestern" accent, I don't truly believe that that's any different from General American / Standard Midwestern - the only phonological difference I can think of is the caught/cot merger, which is too subtle to deserve the name "accent". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:00, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: Perhaps it should be specifically noted here that her Korean fluency doesn't seem to have any impact whatsoever on her English accent. I agree with Peter that it's important to note it here, so that someone who doesn't know any better doesn't come along and think we missed that point and that they've solved our problem by mentioning a (non-existant) Korean accent. Sometimes, when you are making an argument or assertion, you have to mention some things that are, really, irrelevant in order to make clear that they are, indeed, irrelevant so that others will not wrongly think that they are. Make sense? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:08, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::I was just about to say something like that. Thanks, Day! --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 03:10, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::Tried to make it a little more forceful. You can tell that this wiki is great because we spend whole evenings discussing single sentences. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:18, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::: Nice edit. And I hope you were being serious. I spent a lot of time in college working on a print publication and for the last couple years, I was the Editor in Chief (kind of a joke because there were only six of us on staff). In any case, it was a humor publication and sometimes we'd spend hours debating about the wording of a single sentence in order to deliver the most punch. It almost always paid off. In this case, we're not looking to be funny, but I still think it pays to make sure a sentence communicates exactly the information we intend: no more and no less. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::: Quite serious. Concision is nothing without precision. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::: So, you're not really the Concision Fairy. You're the Concision/Percision Fairy. Which is less concise, but more precise. Maybe you're the (Con|Pre)cision Fairy. Phleh. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:16, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

==Racetrack==
Is it just me or does Racetrack have a vaguely Canadian accent in her scene on the Raptor early in [[Final Cut]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:10, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

==Stating the obvious==

:''Mister (Mr), Miss, and Doctor have all been used, but Missus {Mrs} has not.''

The concision fairy frowns in disapproval. Why is this interesting? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:26, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

Nothing much since we haven't seen anyone married. Given the gender equality in BSG, however, it may well be that "Mrs" is not used. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 17:20, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

==Valley Girl Accent==

[[User:Day|Day]] and I believe that [[Pythia]] likely spoke with [[Wikipedia:High rising terminal|High rising terminal]]s, also known as a "valley girl accent". We have concluded this based on the fact that no less than 67% of the direct quotes from her book of prophecy begin with the coordinating conjunction "and", as in the following passage:

"And, like, the lords anointed a leader to like, guide the Caravan of the Heavens to their new homeland?, and, like, unto the leader they gave a vision of serpents numbering two and ten?, as like, a sign of things to come?, which is like, totally spooky. And then, like, the Arrow of Apollo will open the Tomb of Athena, which is totally ''boss'', but Zeus like, got all uppity and warned the leaders of the twelve tribes that any return to Kobol would exact a price in blood, which is totally ''gross'', 'cause blood is gross, y'know? And like, a real ''bummer'', since Kobol is hot shit."

So say we all. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:19, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

: NO, that was meant to sound religious, in the tone of "And the number shall be "three". "Four" be too many, and "two" be too few (unless though then proceedeth to "three"). "Five" is right out. ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005

::The effect is, as noted, somewhat different when you read them all out in a list. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

:::Damn both of you. My deykoard is ruimed from spittake effect with kola! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:03, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

: You should read the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle sometime; half of the sentences begin with "and". The thought of dark-age Anglo-Saxon monks speaking with valley-girl accents is very jarring. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 23:07, 10 February 2007 (CST)

==General American==
On a somewhat smaller matter, there is no linguistically accepted version of English called "General English," with a capital G. I am willing to accept a lower case g, "general English," to indicate "common sense" notions about the accent/group of accents. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:You are correct. The article previously referred to Standard American English (SAE), which I have encountered in contrast to African American Vernacular English (AAVE) in sociolinguistics. As I'm sure you can tell, I intend to refer to the midwestern "newscaster accent" used throughout the entertainment industry.

:As for Wikipedia, they referred to this accent as [[Wikipedia:Standard Midwestern|Standard Midwestern]] until last February. It was then [[Wikipedia:Talk:General American#move to "General American"?|moved]] to [[Wikipedia:General American|General American]] based on [[Wikipedia:User:Angr|User:Angr]]'s statement that "the accent is not standard in any official sense, nor is it limited to the Midwest."

:Since they are serving as our primary reference, I am inclined to follow their conventions on the matter. Perhaps you could take up your point with them? I realize that we are not powerless to employ our own terminology, but consistancy strikes me as a self-evident virtue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Sigh. General American bothers me. I'd ''much'' prefer Standard American English. I mean--that's a term that linguists use when discussing American accents. I wish Wikipedia had a page entitled that, but I don't want to get into a land war there (or, really anything there as time is finite). A few things have to be understood about SAE (or, as it stands, General English):

:: 1) It doesn't really exist as a spoken dialect. No one grows up learning SAE the way one can grow up speaking Texan English or any of the various sub-dialects of AAVE or whatever. However, Americans seem to be able to sense what it is. This is still under research.

:: 2) When used in a non-scholastic setting (like this wiki), saying someone speaks SAE generally means that the region they learned English in is not identifyable by the way they speak. Apollo speaks SAE, for instance. However, Jamie Baber or however it's spellt, is British and really speaks some form of British English dialect (I've not heard him speak myself).

:: With these two trhings in mind, using a term like SAE to refer to dislects of characters is perfectly fine. I mean--the dialect is a kind of mental construct and so doesn't really exist and the characters, likewise, don't really exist. ;) Okay. That was a joke. My problem with the term "General American" is that I've never seen it before in a linguistic context. "Standard American English" is a term used in all caps like that in many texts by various authors. I'm tired and I think I'm losing coherancy. Does my point about, for lack of a better word, officialness come across clearly? I sure hope so. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:04, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::I would be happy to have the relevant links marked as Standard American English and go to Wiki's General American article through pipes. The term General American was introduced on October 8th by [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] - I'd like to know if he is personally in favor of the term, or was just matching wikipedia's terminology. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:09, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

==Sanskrit to do==
*Link to credible text repository & audio recording.
*Transliterate Sanskrit properly, using IAST. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 14 November 2005 (EST)

Hopefully the Don Davis sources may be of help to others in further translation from his Matrix Revolutions tracks (noted in our article now). Enlightening stuff--I use the "Navras" track and its chant in my daily workouts--gets my heart rate up. I was wondering why Elosha's chant seemed so damned familiar, and now I know why. Wild how my favorite SF topics and music merge like this. Speaking of which, I think a music article on BSG will be due sometime... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:09, 14 November 2005 (EST)

:Am I the only one who finds this matrix stuff to be badly off-topic? Davis's transliteration isn't very good, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:04, 14 November 2005 (EST)

::I'm going to strike this. If anyone wants to make a note of the coincidence on the references page, that would be fine. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:12, 14 November 2005 (EST)

==Other Accents==
:What about all of the Canadian accents? I'm no linguist, but the way Tigh speaks sounds very different to the way Adama speaks. Besides, many characters on the show are played by Canadian actors like Aaron Douglas, Tricia Helfer, and Tahmoh Penikett, each with varying degrees of accent. --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 19:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Many Canadian accents are very similar to the Midwestern SAE used in Hollywood. If you can name a character with a particularly strong accent, I'd be happy to identify them here, but Hogan, Douglas, Helfer and Penikett don't seem to fit the bill.

::Note that place of origin and accent do not necessarily coincide - nobody would claim that Lee Adama speaks with a British Accent, although Jamie Bamber certainly does. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::I've always felt that Hogan's accent is somewhat obvious, but again, I'm not much experienced with Canadian-accented English. (I only know two or three Canadians myself.) Besides, you make a good point: even if Hogan's accent ''is'' strong enough to be considered noticable, it is no where near as different from SAE as, say, Baltar's. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 21:35, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: For me, Tigh's just got a few words that stick out. Unfortunately, the only word that comes to mind off the top of my head is one that doesn't really exist: Kobol. Everyone else says it as if it were some American saying Co-Ball (['kou.'bol]) or something (equal stress on both syllables), whereas he seems to say ['kou.bl] (with the syllabic l at the end). That's hack-IPA, there, because I've yet to take the time to figure out the way the thingie for it works, here. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Michael Hogan may be Canadian, but his accent sounds to my ears more like American Irish. The Canadian accent at any rate owes a lot to Celtic influences (that "aboot" that Canadians say is straight from Scotland/Northern Ireland), so it's possible that it's Canadian but it doesn't sounds like Canadian accents that I'm familiar with. The name "Tigh" is Gaelic for "house". He's also a drinker. So my sense is that his character has been outfitted with a Scots/Irish-American persona. For what it's worth, I'm a Scot living in the States myself, and profoundly lacking in confidence in the average American's ability to recognize accents. I'd say 95% of Americans guess that I'm Irish, when no one from the UK or Ireland would make that mistake.--Haecceity

I am Canadian, and Hogan does have a distinctly Canadian accent. It's hard to pin it down specifically, but I would guess northern or eastern Ontario: if I'm right, the Irish comments were right on, as eastern Ontario was heavily settled by Irish immigrants, though the accent has evolved a bit since then. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 22:58, 10 February 2007 (CST)
: Ah, Michael Hogan is from Kirkland Lake! That explains the accent. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 23:00, 10 February 2007 (CST)

==Texas Accent==
Y'know, Baltar's Six definitely refers to his "nucular device" in "[[Epiphanies]]". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:49, 21 January 2006 (EST)

: Actually, that's not a Texas thing. We talked about that specifically in one of my classes, since that's such a common misconception due to G. W. Bush's hailing from our state and and pronouncing it thus. Apparently that's common in many Southern dialects (as in "The South" which includes states as far north as Virginia, but not, say, New Mexico). Not that Texas is really ''excluded'' from that list, I just thought I'd point out that it's more common than many city-dwellers think (including myself before I attended the afore mentioned lecture). Personally, I say it "NEW-clee-er" only slightly more often than "NEW-cue-ler". I feel like I"m rambling on, so I won't go into what factors contribute to a dialect switching the L and the following vowel in this word. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:57, 21 January 2006 (EST)
*** PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:19, 16 November 2006 (CST)
::Sounding off for a minute: the pronunciation is officially "New-clee-er", and Bush is yet again and embarrassment for pronouncing it wrong, then refusing to correct himself because he believes that he is infallible. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]]

::: See, now you're gonna start arguing right and wrong with a [[Wikipedia:Descriptive linguistics|descriptive linguist]]. We're not your [[Wikipedia:Prescription and description|prescriptive]] Highschool English teacher. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:29, 22 January 2006 (EST)

:::: PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:24, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:::::It should be noted, to offset any non-germane commentary on the current president, that [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Carter|President Bush is not the only one]] who has difficulty in pronouncing "nuclear." I spent some minutes in childhood laughing at this. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 16 November 2006 (CST)

==Names==
I don't think its worthwhile to discuss the "meaning" of names that were borrowed from TOS here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:17, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:Not sure that's entirely true (obviously :-) ), since in several cases Larson clearly borrowed those names from Hebrew/Greek himself, deliberately, and RDM is following in his footsteps.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 23:20, 15 March 2006 (CST)
::I think we need to edit down "Names" a lot for relevance/concision. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:58, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:::I can accept that—some days I'm good at concision, other days, not so much. I'd actually originally intended to merely provide a couple of key examples, and I kinda got carried away :-)--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:14, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:::By the way, Merv—thank you for your additions/clarifications to the names. And you may be right about the Roslin entry not really being highly relevant. I'll admit I just thought it was an amusing coincidence. And it may be more relevant than you think. The Cylons are clones, of a sort (albeit not clones of real human beings, but of 12 synthesized templates), and a Cylon-hybrid child saved Roslin's life... OK. It's a stretch :-) I can be convinced to remove the Roslin entry without much arm-twisting.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 13:21, 16 March 2006 (CST)
::::Well RDM saying he deliberatley chose Dualla and Gaeta's names knowing their meaning is from the podcast of "Final Cut"; I think the Zarek thing is from the companion book. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:08, 16 March 2006 (CST)

==French in the Colonies==
I wanted to point out that we recently realized that french is a spoken language in at least some of the Colonies. This is the first real language, other than english, that we see as present beyond accentuation. I guess you'll want proof? Here it is:

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5766/wtfk1tn.jpg

On the Very top of the chalk board are the words :

*Aller ("to go")

*Avoir ("to have")

*Etres ("to be")

Three verbs of the French Language. Just Thought I'd mention it, since as far as I remember there is no other Earth Based Language which is seen beyond certain accents. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:37 June 06 2006

:Nice catch, Sauron. Actually, the prayer chant sung by [[Elosha]] at the end of the miniseries is a Sanskrit prayer, so that's two possible languages in the Colonies outside the accented suggestions. Your discovery should be an interesting one to add. Also, we see "NaOH", which I think is the chemical name for ammonia...curious that the Colonials use our chemical naming process, too... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:22, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
::sodium hydroxide ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 13:33, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
:::It looks like it's part of an equation. X + NaOH yields -> Y. This does appear to be the first written instance of foreign language. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:36, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Ugh...stereochemistry (shudder). Oh, well the only other "french" thing we've got in BSG is when Stinger says "esprit de corps" in "Pegasus", but I think that and the LDYB II blackboard thing are just mistakes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:59, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::I don't think they're any more mistakes then talking of dogs horses and such. There's no reason why languages other than english can exist within the Colonies. Might even be a second language to them since they're teaching it to preschoolers--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:05 June 06 2006

:Very nice find, Sauron. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

== Clean-Up ==

Anything in particular, or just in general? I always look at an article's talk page when I see a delete or clean-up tag and I'm often annoyed because the tagger hasn't posted about why they tagged. I'm not looking for an exhaustive list, just maybe the direction you think the article should be headed or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:28, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:Sorry, I thought I'd be able to get to this myself but I'm juggling 5 projects; I just meant it as a reminder tag for myself like 2 hours later. Basically a few new edits (the most recent ones) specifically in the "name origin" section sounded like too much speculation; I mean "well, Adama could stem from the Greek "Adamas"..." when we know that Glen Larson originated "Adama" as it sounds like "Adam". I'll get to this in a minute. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 10:12, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::Done. Finished cleanup. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:17, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

I accept what you say about my "speculation" on the derivation of the name "Adama" but you've pretty much removed all the others, including my observation on the the name "Helena." As it happens, I happen to think that my reference to the Emperor Constantine's mother is more apt than Helen of Troy, because (according to the admittedely apocryphal Golden Legend of Jacopo da Varagine) Helena was a ruthless proselyte who wasn't remotely concerned who or how many people she had killed in her religious and political zeal for Imperial Christianity, especially if they weren't Christians (and for her bloodthirsty piety she was later made a Saint of the Orthodox Church) Helen of Troy however was (in all probability) nothing more than an archaic-period poetic device for a ''casus belli.'' The character traits of Empress Helena seem far more appropriate to Admiral Cain's personality than do those of the adulterous Face that launched a Thousand Ships. Of course, it could be just a coincidence, but in a show loaded with mythological and historical references, without asking the writers, we'd never know for sure, and sometimes even they might not really know why they use a reference; artistic works are often full of imagery and symbolism that even the work's creator isn't fully aware of the meaning of. That's why there are art historians. - Tawakalna Q'ubt ut-Allah.

:There is a level of permissable speculation, but these other things you were saying were so obscure I don't think they are relevant, or worth including. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::I ''don't'' see the significance of most of these edit reversions of Tawakalna's contributions, Merv. The Adama speculation is no less interesting than what can be found in "The Matrix" character name studies (given that no explanations have been, or probably will be forthcoming about them). Speculative: yes. Factual or interesting: (as far as all name and word origins go): Yes. While "Helena" might have been picked out of a hat by the writers, it nonetheless has an interesting comparison to history and/or mythology. Tawakalna obviously has a good grasp of this history, so unless you have a better source, I recommend restoration of the Adama, Tigh, Cain and Agathon edits. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:05, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Well if you feel it was okay, yeah, add it back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 16:40, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::::My two cents: I find practically none of this speculation interesting or insightful. The Matrix comparison is a bad one, since I don't find that line of inquiry interesting, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:47, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

Well, that's two to one against, so let's just leave it shall we? It was only an observation after all; if people really find such speculation useless to the point of being offensive, then it's hardly worth my time to carry on with something that's clearly creating hostility. - Tawakalna

:Well it wasn't offensive, and you could put it back if you want. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:26, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

== Starbuck's Tattoos ==

Kattee Sackhoff has two tattoos with a non-English language. One is the Latin "bona fiscalia" (public property). That fits nicely with the other Latin names on the show. Another is the Japanese Kanji for "choice" on the back of her neck. Maybe those should be added?
There could be a new title like "non-English languages" with that, the French noted above and also the Sanskrit in Elosha's prayer --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:28, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:Those are noted on [[Tattoo]] at present (though I thought that article might be disappearing... I could be wrong). I'm guessing that those aren't intended to be visible onscreen, given the efforts they seem to take to conceal them, but they are visible at times. That's a tough one. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:33, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::I know that they are on both Kattee's page and the tattoo one. They might try to hide them now and then, but they are clearly visible several times. The only one they really cover up is the crucifix. I found the Japanese one to be actually more visible once she switched to the ponytail. It's not just one or two times and I for one, don't try to explain them away as production errors or something --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:45, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== How many accents does D'anna Biers use? ==

Well, I just finished indulging a random little craving I had for "Final Cut," and all I heard was Kiwi, Kiwi, Kiwi. I'm not at all sure who this 'second' copy of D'anna who uses the Americanish voice is - does the sentence refer to whoever we see in the theatre watching the movie at the very end, or is there something I'm spacing on? As far as I know, there's never any mention of another copy who, as the section states, lives on Cylon-Occupied Caprica, and it never occurred to me that the D'anna at the Cylon film festival was actually an additional version. I guess it's conceivable that the movie premiere was on Caprica, but do we ever hear anyone say that? If memory serves me, the next time we see D'anna isn't until "Downloaded," and the article states that all post-DL'ed D'anna's only speak with a NZ accent. So, even if I'm a space cadet and missed the part where we learned about another D'anna on Caprica in FC, I still don't really notice a noticeable change in her accent during the few words the "other" copy says right before the episode ends.
So, if I'm just missing something obvious here and everyone else knows which "Second" D'anna is being described in this subsection, would anyone mind either "translating" for me so I can catch up with reality? Or perhaps rephrase the first few sentences so that an episode title is used as a reference point? And maybe substitute names for "her" and "she," etc.? Because I'm starting to wonder if I'm crazy like Gaius, here, and I can't figure out how to put all the pieces together on my own! And if nobody else hears another accent or remembers two D'anna models in FC, should we just delete the Kiwi section or reduce it to one sentence? --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 06:47, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:She is a different Three, she is in Caprica, as the place is labelled as "Cylon-Occupied Caprica". Also, the Three we see in Caprica in "Downloaded" is not D'Anna Biers. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:07, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Language in the Twelve Colonies/Archive3

2007-02-11T05:00:15Z

Saforrest: /* Other Accents */

==Radio Alphabet==

''Discussions moved to [[Talk:Colonial Wireless Alphabet]] by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] at 20:07, 10 October 2005 (EDT).''

==Aerelon Accent==
:''(It is probably some subtle nuance that a Colonial character like Baltar could notice, but that is indistinguishable from an American accent to the audience).''

No, listen. None of these characters are actually speaking English. The whole thing is a conceit to make it intelligable to the viewer. I'm sure that in the fictional universe of BSG, Boomer does speak with a "trace of an Aerelon accent", but since the show chooses to represent this as Standard American English, there's little point speculating about phonological variations that we can't hear. It's not a matter of Baltar being able to hear something we can't, the showmakers have just chosen not to give us the information. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:38, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

: Yeah. I tend to agree. My agreement is influenced by a couple of things in addition to the above.

: '''One:''' I have a BA in Linguistics. I know a bit about accents and the sounds of human speech, etc. I'm also somewhat used to hearing differences in sounds that most Anglophones aren't used to (like distinctions that are meaningful in other languages, but not in English). These two things make it hard for me to believe that, after reading about this theory and listening to Boomer speak with the purpose of hearing an accent, I'd somehow be unable to hear it simply because I'm ''missing'' it.

: '''Two:''' I'm a rather large Tolkien dork and am familiar with the idea of "translating" something into English for the benefit of English-speaking viewers (to say nothing of over-dubbed versions of this show for non-English-speaking viewers. Additionally, being familiar with Tolkien's special flavor of language-centric crazy, I don't get that, well, vibe from RDM. He seems much more interested in the story and the cinematics than correctly representing the names of people from Dale as corrupted Old English names in order to show their long-ago linguistic connection to the Rohirrim, whose language is tacitly represented by Old English--as he should be.

: If, for whatever reason, the BSG production/directoral staff were interested in drawing parallels to Colonial accents with the use of English accents, it would be much more apparent. What is more likely is, as Peter posits, they aren't giving us the information. That's been screened out if for no other reason than the fact that they didn't really think about it. It's not a big deal. I think this is evidenced by Baltar's remark about Boomer's accent, actually. If they were keeping tabs of language enough to care about accents, they would realise the extreme unlikelihood that even a stereotypically recognized majority of an entire planet's population would have an accent that was the same. I mean--What's the most common (and thus, best seen as stereotypically Earthly) accent on our world? Chinese. Which is, you know, not precisely an accent. ;o)

: I think, actually, that the BSG crew ''are'' paying attention to accents, however. It's just not in a way that identifies characters geographically or--whatever. They pick accents that will predispose American and British (and, thus, probably Australian) viewers to certain preconceptions about their characters. Baltar speaks, more or less, the Queen's English, which will predispose Westerners to assume he's intelligent, wealthy, well bred and well educated. Baltar ''is'' these things. Kara Thrace speaks pretty standard American English and does it with a fairly high volume. She assumes the stereotypes of the loud American, so to speak. Notice, too, that the reporter had an English accent. At the end of her documentary, I half expected her to say, "This is D'anna Whatever, BBC news." I don't even ''get'' the BBC in Texas.

: This is getting absurdly lengthy. I apologize. I tend to do this when words are at issue. Anyway, one final point: I don't think the same thing can be neccesarily said for "race". Since where your genes are from, geographically, is a rather more visual thing, I tend to think that this would more easily occur to a TV producer as something worth keeping track of. That doesn't mean that it did and they are, but that most of my arguements here don't apply to that case much. I'll, ah, I'm done now. ;o) --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:31, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:01, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

It is true that Grace Park is a fluent speaker of Korean, but her English--either as Sharon Valerii or as herself in interviews--bears no trace of a Korean accent whatsoever. I am married to a native Korean speaker, have friends and colleagues who speak Korean either as their first or second language, and have been studying the language for a few years myself, so I am absolutely certain that Korean has no bearing on what might or might not be considered an Aerelon accent. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:I tend to agree, but felt like someone would bring up her bilingualism inevitably and that it would be better to address it directly. If Grace Park (and thus Boomer) has a trace of ''any'' accent, it ought to be Korean, so I felt it worth a mention. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::You said that Grace Park's bilingualism would come up eventually. I would recommend limiting discussions of her bilingualism to the actress' bio page. The label "Korean" doesn't meaningfully describe anything that's going on when Sharon/Boomer is speaking. My own Korean is getting good enough that I'm approaching true "bilingual" status, but nobody would use "Korean" to describe my English. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:::Discussing Park's bilingualism on the actress' bio page would not shed any insight for a reader of this page, nor would it allay any questions that such knowledge might raise. I understand that her spoken english is flawless, but the fact that it is not actually her first language is at least marginally relevant here, and is given the footnote it deserves.

:::As for her "northwestern" accent, I don't truly believe that that's any different from General American / Standard Midwestern - the only phonological difference I can think of is the caught/cot merger, which is too subtle to deserve the name "accent". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:00, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: Perhaps it should be specifically noted here that her Korean fluency doesn't seem to have any impact whatsoever on her English accent. I agree with Peter that it's important to note it here, so that someone who doesn't know any better doesn't come along and think we missed that point and that they've solved our problem by mentioning a (non-existant) Korean accent. Sometimes, when you are making an argument or assertion, you have to mention some things that are, really, irrelevant in order to make clear that they are, indeed, irrelevant so that others will not wrongly think that they are. Make sense? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:08, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::I was just about to say something like that. Thanks, Day! --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 03:10, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::Tried to make it a little more forceful. You can tell that this wiki is great because we spend whole evenings discussing single sentences. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:18, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::: Nice edit. And I hope you were being serious. I spent a lot of time in college working on a print publication and for the last couple years, I was the Editor in Chief (kind of a joke because there were only six of us on staff). In any case, it was a humor publication and sometimes we'd spend hours debating about the wording of a single sentence in order to deliver the most punch. It almost always paid off. In this case, we're not looking to be funny, but I still think it pays to make sure a sentence communicates exactly the information we intend: no more and no less. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::: Quite serious. Concision is nothing without precision. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::: So, you're not really the Concision Fairy. You're the Concision/Percision Fairy. Which is less concise, but more precise. Maybe you're the (Con|Pre)cision Fairy. Phleh. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:16, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

==Racetrack==
Is it just me or does Racetrack have a vaguely Canadian accent in her scene on the Raptor early in [[Final Cut]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:10, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

==Stating the obvious==

:''Mister (Mr), Miss, and Doctor have all been used, but Missus {Mrs} has not.''

The concision fairy frowns in disapproval. Why is this interesting? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:26, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

Nothing much since we haven't seen anyone married. Given the gender equality in BSG, however, it may well be that "Mrs" is not used. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 17:20, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

==Valley Girl Accent==

[[User:Day|Day]] and I believe that [[Pythia]] likely spoke with [[Wikipedia:High rising terminal|High rising terminal]]s, also known as a "valley girl accent". We have concluded this based on the fact that no less than 67% of the direct quotes from her book of prophecy begin with the coordinating conjunction "and", as in the following passage:

"And, like, the lords anointed a leader to like, guide the Caravan of the Heavens to their new homeland?, and, like, unto the leader they gave a vision of serpents numbering two and ten?, as like, a sign of things to come?, which is like, totally spooky. And then, like, the Arrow of Apollo will open the Tomb of Athena, which is totally ''boss'', but Zeus like, got all uppity and warned the leaders of the twelve tribes that any return to Kobol would exact a price in blood, which is totally ''gross'', 'cause blood is gross, y'know? And like, a real ''bummer'', since Kobol is hot shit."

So say we all. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:19, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

: NO, that was meant to sound religious, in the tone of "And the number shall be "three". "Four" be too many, and "two" be too few (unless though then proceedeth to "three"). "Five" is right out. ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005

::The effect is, as noted, somewhat different when you read them all out in a list. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

:::Damn both of you. My deykoard is ruimed from spittake effect with kola! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:03, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

==General American==
On a somewhat smaller matter, there is no linguistically accepted version of English called "General English," with a capital G. I am willing to accept a lower case g, "general English," to indicate "common sense" notions about the accent/group of accents. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:You are correct. The article previously referred to Standard American English (SAE), which I have encountered in contrast to African American Vernacular English (AAVE) in sociolinguistics. As I'm sure you can tell, I intend to refer to the midwestern "newscaster accent" used throughout the entertainment industry.

:As for Wikipedia, they referred to this accent as [[Wikipedia:Standard Midwestern|Standard Midwestern]] until last February. It was then [[Wikipedia:Talk:General American#move to "General American"?|moved]] to [[Wikipedia:General American|General American]] based on [[Wikipedia:User:Angr|User:Angr]]'s statement that "the accent is not standard in any official sense, nor is it limited to the Midwest."

:Since they are serving as our primary reference, I am inclined to follow their conventions on the matter. Perhaps you could take up your point with them? I realize that we are not powerless to employ our own terminology, but consistancy strikes me as a self-evident virtue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Sigh. General American bothers me. I'd ''much'' prefer Standard American English. I mean--that's a term that linguists use when discussing American accents. I wish Wikipedia had a page entitled that, but I don't want to get into a land war there (or, really anything there as time is finite). A few things have to be understood about SAE (or, as it stands, General English):

:: 1) It doesn't really exist as a spoken dialect. No one grows up learning SAE the way one can grow up speaking Texan English or any of the various sub-dialects of AAVE or whatever. However, Americans seem to be able to sense what it is. This is still under research.

:: 2) When used in a non-scholastic setting (like this wiki), saying someone speaks SAE generally means that the region they learned English in is not identifyable by the way they speak. Apollo speaks SAE, for instance. However, Jamie Baber or however it's spellt, is British and really speaks some form of British English dialect (I've not heard him speak myself).

:: With these two trhings in mind, using a term like SAE to refer to dislects of characters is perfectly fine. I mean--the dialect is a kind of mental construct and so doesn't really exist and the characters, likewise, don't really exist. ;) Okay. That was a joke. My problem with the term "General American" is that I've never seen it before in a linguistic context. "Standard American English" is a term used in all caps like that in many texts by various authors. I'm tired and I think I'm losing coherancy. Does my point about, for lack of a better word, officialness come across clearly? I sure hope so. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:04, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::I would be happy to have the relevant links marked as Standard American English and go to Wiki's General American article through pipes. The term General American was introduced on October 8th by [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] - I'd like to know if he is personally in favor of the term, or was just matching wikipedia's terminology. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:09, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

==Sanskrit to do==
*Link to credible text repository & audio recording.
*Transliterate Sanskrit properly, using IAST. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 14 November 2005 (EST)

Hopefully the Don Davis sources may be of help to others in further translation from his Matrix Revolutions tracks (noted in our article now). Enlightening stuff--I use the "Navras" track and its chant in my daily workouts--gets my heart rate up. I was wondering why Elosha's chant seemed so damned familiar, and now I know why. Wild how my favorite SF topics and music merge like this. Speaking of which, I think a music article on BSG will be due sometime... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:09, 14 November 2005 (EST)

:Am I the only one who finds this matrix stuff to be badly off-topic? Davis's transliteration isn't very good, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:04, 14 November 2005 (EST)

::I'm going to strike this. If anyone wants to make a note of the coincidence on the references page, that would be fine. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:12, 14 November 2005 (EST)

==Other Accents==
:What about all of the Canadian accents? I'm no linguist, but the way Tigh speaks sounds very different to the way Adama speaks. Besides, many characters on the show are played by Canadian actors like Aaron Douglas, Tricia Helfer, and Tahmoh Penikett, each with varying degrees of accent. --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 19:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Many Canadian accents are very similar to the Midwestern SAE used in Hollywood. If you can name a character with a particularly strong accent, I'd be happy to identify them here, but Hogan, Douglas, Helfer and Penikett don't seem to fit the bill.

::Note that place of origin and accent do not necessarily coincide - nobody would claim that Lee Adama speaks with a British Accent, although Jamie Bamber certainly does. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::I've always felt that Hogan's accent is somewhat obvious, but again, I'm not much experienced with Canadian-accented English. (I only know two or three Canadians myself.) Besides, you make a good point: even if Hogan's accent ''is'' strong enough to be considered noticable, it is no where near as different from SAE as, say, Baltar's. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 21:35, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: For me, Tigh's just got a few words that stick out. Unfortunately, the only word that comes to mind off the top of my head is one that doesn't really exist: Kobol. Everyone else says it as if it were some American saying Co-Ball (['kou.'bol]) or something (equal stress on both syllables), whereas he seems to say ['kou.bl] (with the syllabic l at the end). That's hack-IPA, there, because I've yet to take the time to figure out the way the thingie for it works, here. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Michael Hogan may be Canadian, but his accent sounds to my ears more like American Irish. The Canadian accent at any rate owes a lot to Celtic influences (that "aboot" that Canadians say is straight from Scotland/Northern Ireland), so it's possible that it's Canadian but it doesn't sounds like Canadian accents that I'm familiar with. The name "Tigh" is Gaelic for "house". He's also a drinker. So my sense is that his character has been outfitted with a Scots/Irish-American persona. For what it's worth, I'm a Scot living in the States myself, and profoundly lacking in confidence in the average American's ability to recognize accents. I'd say 95% of Americans guess that I'm Irish, when no one from the UK or Ireland would make that mistake.--Haecceity

I am Canadian, and Hogan does have a distinctly Canadian accent. It's hard to pin it down specifically, but I would guess northern or eastern Ontario: if I'm right, the Irish comments were right on, as eastern Ontario was heavily settled by Irish immigrants, though the accent has evolved a bit since then. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 22:58, 10 February 2007 (CST)
: Ah, Michael Hogan is from Kirkland Lake! That explains the accent. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 23:00, 10 February 2007 (CST)

==Texas Accent==
Y'know, Baltar's Six definitely refers to his "nucular device" in "[[Epiphanies]]". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:49, 21 January 2006 (EST)

: Actually, that's not a Texas thing. We talked about that specifically in one of my classes, since that's such a common misconception due to G. W. Bush's hailing from our state and and pronouncing it thus. Apparently that's common in many Southern dialects (as in "The South" which includes states as far north as Virginia, but not, say, New Mexico). Not that Texas is really ''excluded'' from that list, I just thought I'd point out that it's more common than many city-dwellers think (including myself before I attended the afore mentioned lecture). Personally, I say it "NEW-clee-er" only slightly more often than "NEW-cue-ler". I feel like I"m rambling on, so I won't go into what factors contribute to a dialect switching the L and the following vowel in this word. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:57, 21 January 2006 (EST)
*** PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:19, 16 November 2006 (CST)
::Sounding off for a minute: the pronunciation is officially "New-clee-er", and Bush is yet again and embarrassment for pronouncing it wrong, then refusing to correct himself because he believes that he is infallible. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]]

::: See, now you're gonna start arguing right and wrong with a [[Wikipedia:Descriptive linguistics|descriptive linguist]]. We're not your [[Wikipedia:Prescription and description|prescriptive]] Highschool English teacher. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:29, 22 January 2006 (EST)

:::: PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:24, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:::::It should be noted, to offset any non-germane commentary on the current president, that [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Carter|President Bush is not the only one]] who has difficulty in pronouncing "nuclear." I spent some minutes in childhood laughing at this. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 16 November 2006 (CST)

==Names==
I don't think its worthwhile to discuss the "meaning" of names that were borrowed from TOS here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:17, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:Not sure that's entirely true (obviously :-) ), since in several cases Larson clearly borrowed those names from Hebrew/Greek himself, deliberately, and RDM is following in his footsteps.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 23:20, 15 March 2006 (CST)
::I think we need to edit down "Names" a lot for relevance/concision. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:58, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:::I can accept that—some days I'm good at concision, other days, not so much. I'd actually originally intended to merely provide a couple of key examples, and I kinda got carried away :-)--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:14, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:::By the way, Merv—thank you for your additions/clarifications to the names. And you may be right about the Roslin entry not really being highly relevant. I'll admit I just thought it was an amusing coincidence. And it may be more relevant than you think. The Cylons are clones, of a sort (albeit not clones of real human beings, but of 12 synthesized templates), and a Cylon-hybrid child saved Roslin's life... OK. It's a stretch :-) I can be convinced to remove the Roslin entry without much arm-twisting.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 13:21, 16 March 2006 (CST)
::::Well RDM saying he deliberatley chose Dualla and Gaeta's names knowing their meaning is from the podcast of "Final Cut"; I think the Zarek thing is from the companion book. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:08, 16 March 2006 (CST)

==French in the Colonies==
I wanted to point out that we recently realized that french is a spoken language in at least some of the Colonies. This is the first real language, other than english, that we see as present beyond accentuation. I guess you'll want proof? Here it is:

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5766/wtfk1tn.jpg

On the Very top of the chalk board are the words :

*Aller ("to go")

*Avoir ("to have")

*Etres ("to be")

Three verbs of the French Language. Just Thought I'd mention it, since as far as I remember there is no other Earth Based Language which is seen beyond certain accents. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:37 June 06 2006

:Nice catch, Sauron. Actually, the prayer chant sung by [[Elosha]] at the end of the miniseries is a Sanskrit prayer, so that's two possible languages in the Colonies outside the accented suggestions. Your discovery should be an interesting one to add. Also, we see "NaOH", which I think is the chemical name for ammonia...curious that the Colonials use our chemical naming process, too... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:22, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
::sodium hydroxide ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 13:33, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
:::It looks like it's part of an equation. X + NaOH yields -> Y. This does appear to be the first written instance of foreign language. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:36, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Ugh...stereochemistry (shudder). Oh, well the only other "french" thing we've got in BSG is when Stinger says "esprit de corps" in "Pegasus", but I think that and the LDYB II blackboard thing are just mistakes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:59, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::I don't think they're any more mistakes then talking of dogs horses and such. There's no reason why languages other than english can exist within the Colonies. Might even be a second language to them since they're teaching it to preschoolers--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:05 June 06 2006

:Very nice find, Sauron. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

== Clean-Up ==

Anything in particular, or just in general? I always look at an article's talk page when I see a delete or clean-up tag and I'm often annoyed because the tagger hasn't posted about why they tagged. I'm not looking for an exhaustive list, just maybe the direction you think the article should be headed or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:28, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:Sorry, I thought I'd be able to get to this myself but I'm juggling 5 projects; I just meant it as a reminder tag for myself like 2 hours later. Basically a few new edits (the most recent ones) specifically in the "name origin" section sounded like too much speculation; I mean "well, Adama could stem from the Greek "Adamas"..." when we know that Glen Larson originated "Adama" as it sounds like "Adam". I'll get to this in a minute. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 10:12, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::Done. Finished cleanup. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:17, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

I accept what you say about my "speculation" on the derivation of the name "Adama" but you've pretty much removed all the others, including my observation on the the name "Helena." As it happens, I happen to think that my reference to the Emperor Constantine's mother is more apt than Helen of Troy, because (according to the admittedely apocryphal Golden Legend of Jacopo da Varagine) Helena was a ruthless proselyte who wasn't remotely concerned who or how many people she had killed in her religious and political zeal for Imperial Christianity, especially if they weren't Christians (and for her bloodthirsty piety she was later made a Saint of the Orthodox Church) Helen of Troy however was (in all probability) nothing more than an archaic-period poetic device for a ''casus belli.'' The character traits of Empress Helena seem far more appropriate to Admiral Cain's personality than do those of the adulterous Face that launched a Thousand Ships. Of course, it could be just a coincidence, but in a show loaded with mythological and historical references, without asking the writers, we'd never know for sure, and sometimes even they might not really know why they use a reference; artistic works are often full of imagery and symbolism that even the work's creator isn't fully aware of the meaning of. That's why there are art historians. - Tawakalna Q'ubt ut-Allah.

:There is a level of permissable speculation, but these other things you were saying were so obscure I don't think they are relevant, or worth including. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::I ''don't'' see the significance of most of these edit reversions of Tawakalna's contributions, Merv. The Adama speculation is no less interesting than what can be found in "The Matrix" character name studies (given that no explanations have been, or probably will be forthcoming about them). Speculative: yes. Factual or interesting: (as far as all name and word origins go): Yes. While "Helena" might have been picked out of a hat by the writers, it nonetheless has an interesting comparison to history and/or mythology. Tawakalna obviously has a good grasp of this history, so unless you have a better source, I recommend restoration of the Adama, Tigh, Cain and Agathon edits. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:05, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Well if you feel it was okay, yeah, add it back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 16:40, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::::My two cents: I find practically none of this speculation interesting or insightful. The Matrix comparison is a bad one, since I don't find that line of inquiry interesting, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:47, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

Well, that's two to one against, so let's just leave it shall we? It was only an observation after all; if people really find such speculation useless to the point of being offensive, then it's hardly worth my time to carry on with something that's clearly creating hostility. - Tawakalna

:Well it wasn't offensive, and you could put it back if you want. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:26, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

== Starbuck's Tattoos ==

Kattee Sackhoff has two tattoos with a non-English language. One is the Latin "bona fiscalia" (public property). That fits nicely with the other Latin names on the show. Another is the Japanese Kanji for "choice" on the back of her neck. Maybe those should be added?
There could be a new title like "non-English languages" with that, the French noted above and also the Sanskrit in Elosha's prayer --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:28, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:Those are noted on [[Tattoo]] at present (though I thought that article might be disappearing... I could be wrong). I'm guessing that those aren't intended to be visible onscreen, given the efforts they seem to take to conceal them, but they are visible at times. That's a tough one. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:33, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::I know that they are on both Kattee's page and the tattoo one. They might try to hide them now and then, but they are clearly visible several times. The only one they really cover up is the crucifix. I found the Japanese one to be actually more visible once she switched to the ponytail. It's not just one or two times and I for one, don't try to explain them away as production errors or something --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:45, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== How many accents does D'anna Biers use? ==

Well, I just finished indulging a random little craving I had for "Final Cut," and all I heard was Kiwi, Kiwi, Kiwi. I'm not at all sure who this 'second' copy of D'anna who uses the Americanish voice is - does the sentence refer to whoever we see in the theatre watching the movie at the very end, or is there something I'm spacing on? As far as I know, there's never any mention of another copy who, as the section states, lives on Cylon-Occupied Caprica, and it never occurred to me that the D'anna at the Cylon film festival was actually an additional version. I guess it's conceivable that the movie premiere was on Caprica, but do we ever hear anyone say that? If memory serves me, the next time we see D'anna isn't until "Downloaded," and the article states that all post-DL'ed D'anna's only speak with a NZ accent. So, even if I'm a space cadet and missed the part where we learned about another D'anna on Caprica in FC, I still don't really notice a noticeable change in her accent during the few words the "other" copy says right before the episode ends.
So, if I'm just missing something obvious here and everyone else knows which "Second" D'anna is being described in this subsection, would anyone mind either "translating" for me so I can catch up with reality? Or perhaps rephrase the first few sentences so that an episode title is used as a reference point? And maybe substitute names for "her" and "she," etc.? Because I'm starting to wonder if I'm crazy like Gaius, here, and I can't figure out how to put all the pieces together on my own! And if nobody else hears another accent or remembers two D'anna models in FC, should we just delete the Kiwi section or reduce it to one sentence? --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 06:47, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:She is a different Three, she is in Caprica, as the place is labelled as "Cylon-Occupied Caprica". Also, the Three we see in Caprica in "Downloaded" is not D'Anna Biers. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:07, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Language in the Twelve Colonies/Archive3

2007-02-11T04:58:35Z

Saforrest: /* Other Accents */

==Radio Alphabet==

''Discussions moved to [[Talk:Colonial Wireless Alphabet]] by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] at 20:07, 10 October 2005 (EDT).''

==Aerelon Accent==
:''(It is probably some subtle nuance that a Colonial character like Baltar could notice, but that is indistinguishable from an American accent to the audience).''

No, listen. None of these characters are actually speaking English. The whole thing is a conceit to make it intelligable to the viewer. I'm sure that in the fictional universe of BSG, Boomer does speak with a "trace of an Aerelon accent", but since the show chooses to represent this as Standard American English, there's little point speculating about phonological variations that we can't hear. It's not a matter of Baltar being able to hear something we can't, the showmakers have just chosen not to give us the information. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:38, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

: Yeah. I tend to agree. My agreement is influenced by a couple of things in addition to the above.

: '''One:''' I have a BA in Linguistics. I know a bit about accents and the sounds of human speech, etc. I'm also somewhat used to hearing differences in sounds that most Anglophones aren't used to (like distinctions that are meaningful in other languages, but not in English). These two things make it hard for me to believe that, after reading about this theory and listening to Boomer speak with the purpose of hearing an accent, I'd somehow be unable to hear it simply because I'm ''missing'' it.

: '''Two:''' I'm a rather large Tolkien dork and am familiar with the idea of "translating" something into English for the benefit of English-speaking viewers (to say nothing of over-dubbed versions of this show for non-English-speaking viewers. Additionally, being familiar with Tolkien's special flavor of language-centric crazy, I don't get that, well, vibe from RDM. He seems much more interested in the story and the cinematics than correctly representing the names of people from Dale as corrupted Old English names in order to show their long-ago linguistic connection to the Rohirrim, whose language is tacitly represented by Old English--as he should be.

: If, for whatever reason, the BSG production/directoral staff were interested in drawing parallels to Colonial accents with the use of English accents, it would be much more apparent. What is more likely is, as Peter posits, they aren't giving us the information. That's been screened out if for no other reason than the fact that they didn't really think about it. It's not a big deal. I think this is evidenced by Baltar's remark about Boomer's accent, actually. If they were keeping tabs of language enough to care about accents, they would realise the extreme unlikelihood that even a stereotypically recognized majority of an entire planet's population would have an accent that was the same. I mean--What's the most common (and thus, best seen as stereotypically Earthly) accent on our world? Chinese. Which is, you know, not precisely an accent. ;o)

: I think, actually, that the BSG crew ''are'' paying attention to accents, however. It's just not in a way that identifies characters geographically or--whatever. They pick accents that will predispose American and British (and, thus, probably Australian) viewers to certain preconceptions about their characters. Baltar speaks, more or less, the Queen's English, which will predispose Westerners to assume he's intelligent, wealthy, well bred and well educated. Baltar ''is'' these things. Kara Thrace speaks pretty standard American English and does it with a fairly high volume. She assumes the stereotypes of the loud American, so to speak. Notice, too, that the reporter had an English accent. At the end of her documentary, I half expected her to say, "This is D'anna Whatever, BBC news." I don't even ''get'' the BBC in Texas.

: This is getting absurdly lengthy. I apologize. I tend to do this when words are at issue. Anyway, one final point: I don't think the same thing can be neccesarily said for "race". Since where your genes are from, geographically, is a rather more visual thing, I tend to think that this would more easily occur to a TV producer as something worth keeping track of. That doesn't mean that it did and they are, but that most of my arguements here don't apply to that case much. I'll, ah, I'm done now. ;o) --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:31, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

::Well said. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:01, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

It is true that Grace Park is a fluent speaker of Korean, but her English--either as Sharon Valerii or as herself in interviews--bears no trace of a Korean accent whatsoever. I am married to a native Korean speaker, have friends and colleagues who speak Korean either as their first or second language, and have been studying the language for a few years myself, so I am absolutely certain that Korean has no bearing on what might or might not be considered an Aerelon accent. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:I tend to agree, but felt like someone would bring up her bilingualism inevitably and that it would be better to address it directly. If Grace Park (and thus Boomer) has a trace of ''any'' accent, it ought to be Korean, so I felt it worth a mention. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::You said that Grace Park's bilingualism would come up eventually. I would recommend limiting discussions of her bilingualism to the actress' bio page. The label "Korean" doesn't meaningfully describe anything that's going on when Sharon/Boomer is speaking. My own Korean is getting good enough that I'm approaching true "bilingual" status, but nobody would use "Korean" to describe my English. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:::Discussing Park's bilingualism on the actress' bio page would not shed any insight for a reader of this page, nor would it allay any questions that such knowledge might raise. I understand that her spoken english is flawless, but the fact that it is not actually her first language is at least marginally relevant here, and is given the footnote it deserves.

:::As for her "northwestern" accent, I don't truly believe that that's any different from General American / Standard Midwestern - the only phonological difference I can think of is the caught/cot merger, which is too subtle to deserve the name "accent". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:00, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::: Perhaps it should be specifically noted here that her Korean fluency doesn't seem to have any impact whatsoever on her English accent. I agree with Peter that it's important to note it here, so that someone who doesn't know any better doesn't come along and think we missed that point and that they've solved our problem by mentioning a (non-existant) Korean accent. Sometimes, when you are making an argument or assertion, you have to mention some things that are, really, irrelevant in order to make clear that they are, indeed, irrelevant so that others will not wrongly think that they are. Make sense? --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:08, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::I was just about to say something like that. Thanks, Day! --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 03:10, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::Tried to make it a little more forceful. You can tell that this wiki is great because we spend whole evenings discussing single sentences. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:18, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::: Nice edit. And I hope you were being serious. I spent a lot of time in college working on a print publication and for the last couple years, I was the Editor in Chief (kind of a joke because there were only six of us on staff). In any case, it was a humor publication and sometimes we'd spend hours debating about the wording of a single sentence in order to deliver the most punch. It almost always paid off. In this case, we're not looking to be funny, but I still think it pays to make sure a sentence communicates exactly the information we intend: no more and no less. --[[User:Day|Day]] 17:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

::::::: Quite serious. Concision is nothing without precision. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:48, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::::::: So, you're not really the Concision Fairy. You're the Concision/Percision Fairy. Which is less concise, but more precise. Maybe you're the (Con|Pre)cision Fairy. Phleh. --[[User:Day|Day]] 16:16, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

==Racetrack==
Is it just me or does Racetrack have a vaguely Canadian accent in her scene on the Raptor early in [[Final Cut]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:10, 10 September 2005 (EDT)

==Stating the obvious==

:''Mister (Mr), Miss, and Doctor have all been used, but Missus {Mrs} has not.''

The concision fairy frowns in disapproval. Why is this interesting? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:26, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

Nothing much since we haven't seen anyone married. Given the gender equality in BSG, however, it may well be that "Mrs" is not used. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 17:20, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

==Valley Girl Accent==

[[User:Day|Day]] and I believe that [[Pythia]] likely spoke with [[Wikipedia:High rising terminal|High rising terminal]]s, also known as a "valley girl accent". We have concluded this based on the fact that no less than 67% of the direct quotes from her book of prophecy begin with the coordinating conjunction "and", as in the following passage:

"And, like, the lords anointed a leader to like, guide the Caravan of the Heavens to their new homeland?, and, like, unto the leader they gave a vision of serpents numbering two and ten?, as like, a sign of things to come?, which is like, totally spooky. And then, like, the Arrow of Apollo will open the Tomb of Athena, which is totally ''boss'', but Zeus like, got all uppity and warned the leaders of the twelve tribes that any return to Kobol would exact a price in blood, which is totally ''gross'', 'cause blood is gross, y'know? And like, a real ''bummer'', since Kobol is hot shit."

So say we all. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:19, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

: NO, that was meant to sound religious, in the tone of "And the number shall be "three". "Four" be too many, and "two" be too few (unless though then proceedeth to "three"). "Five" is right out. ---Ricimer, 17 Sept, 2005

::The effect is, as noted, somewhat different when you read them all out in a list. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

:::Damn both of you. My deykoard is ruimed from spittake effect with kola! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:03, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

==General American==
On a somewhat smaller matter, there is no linguistically accepted version of English called "General English," with a capital G. I am willing to accept a lower case g, "general English," to indicate "common sense" notions about the accent/group of accents. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]]

:You are correct. The article previously referred to Standard American English (SAE), which I have encountered in contrast to African American Vernacular English (AAVE) in sociolinguistics. As I'm sure you can tell, I intend to refer to the midwestern "newscaster accent" used throughout the entertainment industry.

:As for Wikipedia, they referred to this accent as [[Wikipedia:Standard Midwestern|Standard Midwestern]] until last February. It was then [[Wikipedia:Talk:General American#move to "General American"?|moved]] to [[Wikipedia:General American|General American]] based on [[Wikipedia:User:Angr|User:Angr]]'s statement that "the accent is not standard in any official sense, nor is it limited to the Midwest."

:Since they are serving as our primary reference, I am inclined to follow their conventions on the matter. Perhaps you could take up your point with them? I realize that we are not powerless to employ our own terminology, but consistancy strikes me as a self-evident virtue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:31, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Sigh. General American bothers me. I'd ''much'' prefer Standard American English. I mean--that's a term that linguists use when discussing American accents. I wish Wikipedia had a page entitled that, but I don't want to get into a land war there (or, really anything there as time is finite). A few things have to be understood about SAE (or, as it stands, General English):

:: 1) It doesn't really exist as a spoken dialect. No one grows up learning SAE the way one can grow up speaking Texan English or any of the various sub-dialects of AAVE or whatever. However, Americans seem to be able to sense what it is. This is still under research.

:: 2) When used in a non-scholastic setting (like this wiki), saying someone speaks SAE generally means that the region they learned English in is not identifyable by the way they speak. Apollo speaks SAE, for instance. However, Jamie Baber or however it's spellt, is British and really speaks some form of British English dialect (I've not heard him speak myself).

:: With these two trhings in mind, using a term like SAE to refer to dislects of characters is perfectly fine. I mean--the dialect is a kind of mental construct and so doesn't really exist and the characters, likewise, don't really exist. ;) Okay. That was a joke. My problem with the term "General American" is that I've never seen it before in a linguistic context. "Standard American English" is a term used in all caps like that in many texts by various authors. I'm tired and I think I'm losing coherancy. Does my point about, for lack of a better word, officialness come across clearly? I sure hope so. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:04, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

:::I would be happy to have the relevant links marked as Standard American English and go to Wiki's General American article through pipes. The term General American was introduced on October 8th by [[User:Troyian|Troyian]] - I'd like to know if he is personally in favor of the term, or was just matching wikipedia's terminology. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:09, 19 October 2005 (EDT)

==Sanskrit to do==
*Link to credible text repository & audio recording.
*Transliterate Sanskrit properly, using IAST. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 14 November 2005 (EST)

Hopefully the Don Davis sources may be of help to others in further translation from his Matrix Revolutions tracks (noted in our article now). Enlightening stuff--I use the "Navras" track and its chant in my daily workouts--gets my heart rate up. I was wondering why Elosha's chant seemed so damned familiar, and now I know why. Wild how my favorite SF topics and music merge like this. Speaking of which, I think a music article on BSG will be due sometime... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:09, 14 November 2005 (EST)

:Am I the only one who finds this matrix stuff to be badly off-topic? Davis's transliteration isn't very good, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:04, 14 November 2005 (EST)

::I'm going to strike this. If anyone wants to make a note of the coincidence on the references page, that would be fine. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:12, 14 November 2005 (EST)

==Other Accents==
:What about all of the Canadian accents? I'm no linguist, but the way Tigh speaks sounds very different to the way Adama speaks. Besides, many characters on the show are played by Canadian actors like Aaron Douglas, Tricia Helfer, and Tahmoh Penikett, each with varying degrees of accent. --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 19:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

::Many Canadian accents are very similar to the Midwestern SAE used in Hollywood. If you can name a character with a particularly strong accent, I'd be happy to identify them here, but Hogan, Douglas, Helfer and Penikett don't seem to fit the bill.

::Note that place of origin and accent do not necessarily coincide - nobody would claim that Lee Adama speaks with a British Accent, although Jamie Bamber certainly does. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:32, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::I've always felt that Hogan's accent is somewhat obvious, but again, I'm not much experienced with Canadian-accented English. (I only know two or three Canadians myself.) Besides, you make a good point: even if Hogan's accent ''is'' strong enough to be considered noticable, it is no where near as different from SAE as, say, Baltar's. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 21:35, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:::: For me, Tigh's just got a few words that stick out. Unfortunately, the only word that comes to mind off the top of my head is one that doesn't really exist: Kobol. Everyone else says it as if it were some American saying Co-Ball (['kou.'bol]) or something (equal stress on both syllables), whereas he seems to say ['kou.bl] (with the syllabic l at the end). That's hack-IPA, there, because I've yet to take the time to figure out the way the thingie for it works, here. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:51, 17 January 2006 (EST)

:Michael Hogan may be Canadian, but his accent sounds to my ears more like American Irish. The Canadian accent at any rate owes a lot to Celtic influences (that "aboot" that Canadians say is straight from Scotland/Northern Ireland), so it's possible that it's Canadian but it doesn't sounds like Canadian accents that I'm familiar with. The name "Tigh" is Gaelic for "house". He's also a drinker. So my sense is that his character has been outfitted with a Scots/Irish-American persona. For what it's worth, I'm a Scot living in the States myself, and profoundly lacking in confidence in the average American's ability to recognize accents. I'd say 95% of Americans guess that I'm Irish, when no one from the UK or Ireland would make that mistake.--Haecceity

I am Canadian, and Hogan does have a distinctly Canadian accent. It's hard to pin it down specifically, but I would guess northern or eastern Ontario: if I'm right, the Irish comments were right on, as eastern Ontario was heavily settled by Irish immigrants. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 22:58, 10 February 2007 (CST)

==Texas Accent==
Y'know, Baltar's Six definitely refers to his "nucular device" in "[[Epiphanies]]". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:49, 21 January 2006 (EST)

: Actually, that's not a Texas thing. We talked about that specifically in one of my classes, since that's such a common misconception due to G. W. Bush's hailing from our state and and pronouncing it thus. Apparently that's common in many Southern dialects (as in "The South" which includes states as far north as Virginia, but not, say, New Mexico). Not that Texas is really ''excluded'' from that list, I just thought I'd point out that it's more common than many city-dwellers think (including myself before I attended the afore mentioned lecture). Personally, I say it "NEW-clee-er" only slightly more often than "NEW-cue-ler". I feel like I"m rambling on, so I won't go into what factors contribute to a dialect switching the L and the following vowel in this word. --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:57, 21 January 2006 (EST)
*** PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:19, 16 November 2006 (CST)
::Sounding off for a minute: the pronunciation is officially "New-clee-er", and Bush is yet again and embarrassment for pronouncing it wrong, then refusing to correct himself because he believes that he is infallible. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]]

::: See, now you're gonna start arguing right and wrong with a [[Wikipedia:Descriptive linguistics|descriptive linguist]]. We're not your [[Wikipedia:Prescription and description|prescriptive]] Highschool English teacher. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:29, 22 January 2006 (EST)

:::: PREACH! Ramble on, my friend. The mispronunciation of "NEW - clee - ar" as "NUKE - yoo - lar" is quite possibly my biggest language-related pet peeve, and it warms my heart to learn that there are those out there whose minds are open to re-education on the matter of nit-picky pronunciation issues, and furthermore, who would spread the word after learning something new? Very refreshing. To be honest, I have something of a Six/Tricia Helfer wannabe complex, and it actually makes me cringe and hurt a little inside every time I her her utter those three errant syllables, as if the miniseries kickoff infanticide-genocide double-whammy wasn't enough to alert me that my heroine was, perhaps, less than perfect... ;) I think you're all pretty fabulous for noticing *and* for the informative commentary that followed (and even managed to get a few W jibes in - excellent!). --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 14:24, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:::::It should be noted, to offset any non-germane commentary on the current president, that [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Carter|President Bush is not the only one]] who has difficulty in pronouncing "nuclear." I spent some minutes in childhood laughing at this. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:38, 16 November 2006 (CST)

==Names==
I don't think its worthwhile to discuss the "meaning" of names that were borrowed from TOS here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:17, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:Not sure that's entirely true (obviously :-) ), since in several cases Larson clearly borrowed those names from Hebrew/Greek himself, deliberately, and RDM is following in his footsteps.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 23:20, 15 March 2006 (CST)
::I think we need to edit down "Names" a lot for relevance/concision. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:58, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:::I can accept that—some days I'm good at concision, other days, not so much. I'd actually originally intended to merely provide a couple of key examples, and I kinda got carried away :-)--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:14, 16 March 2006 (CST)
:::By the way, Merv—thank you for your additions/clarifications to the names. And you may be right about the Roslin entry not really being highly relevant. I'll admit I just thought it was an amusing coincidence. And it may be more relevant than you think. The Cylons are clones, of a sort (albeit not clones of real human beings, but of 12 synthesized templates), and a Cylon-hybrid child saved Roslin's life... OK. It's a stretch :-) I can be convinced to remove the Roslin entry without much arm-twisting.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 13:21, 16 March 2006 (CST)
::::Well RDM saying he deliberatley chose Dualla and Gaeta's names knowing their meaning is from the podcast of "Final Cut"; I think the Zarek thing is from the companion book. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:08, 16 March 2006 (CST)

==French in the Colonies==
I wanted to point out that we recently realized that french is a spoken language in at least some of the Colonies. This is the first real language, other than english, that we see as present beyond accentuation. I guess you'll want proof? Here it is:

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5766/wtfk1tn.jpg

On the Very top of the chalk board are the words :

*Aller ("to go")

*Avoir ("to have")

*Etres ("to be")

Three verbs of the French Language. Just Thought I'd mention it, since as far as I remember there is no other Earth Based Language which is seen beyond certain accents. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 04:37 June 06 2006

:Nice catch, Sauron. Actually, the prayer chant sung by [[Elosha]] at the end of the miniseries is a Sanskrit prayer, so that's two possible languages in the Colonies outside the accented suggestions. Your discovery should be an interesting one to add. Also, we see "NaOH", which I think is the chemical name for ammonia...curious that the Colonials use our chemical naming process, too... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:22, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
::sodium hydroxide ^_^ --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 13:33, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
:::It looks like it's part of an equation. X + NaOH yields -> Y. This does appear to be the first written instance of foreign language. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:36, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Ugh...stereochemistry (shudder). Oh, well the only other "french" thing we've got in BSG is when Stinger says "esprit de corps" in "Pegasus", but I think that and the LDYB II blackboard thing are just mistakes. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 15:59, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

:::::I don't think they're any more mistakes then talking of dogs horses and such. There's no reason why languages other than english can exist within the Colonies. Might even be a second language to them since they're teaching it to preschoolers--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 17:05 June 06 2006

:Very nice find, Sauron. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:39, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

== Clean-Up ==

Anything in particular, or just in general? I always look at an article's talk page when I see a delete or clean-up tag and I'm often annoyed because the tagger hasn't posted about why they tagged. I'm not looking for an exhaustive list, just maybe the direction you think the article should be headed or something. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:28, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
:Sorry, I thought I'd be able to get to this myself but I'm juggling 5 projects; I just meant it as a reminder tag for myself like 2 hours later. Basically a few new edits (the most recent ones) specifically in the "name origin" section sounded like too much speculation; I mean "well, Adama could stem from the Greek "Adamas"..." when we know that Glen Larson originated "Adama" as it sounds like "Adam". I'll get to this in a minute. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 10:12, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
::Done. Finished cleanup. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:17, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

I accept what you say about my "speculation" on the derivation of the name "Adama" but you've pretty much removed all the others, including my observation on the the name "Helena." As it happens, I happen to think that my reference to the Emperor Constantine's mother is more apt than Helen of Troy, because (according to the admittedely apocryphal Golden Legend of Jacopo da Varagine) Helena was a ruthless proselyte who wasn't remotely concerned who or how many people she had killed in her religious and political zeal for Imperial Christianity, especially if they weren't Christians (and for her bloodthirsty piety she was later made a Saint of the Orthodox Church) Helen of Troy however was (in all probability) nothing more than an archaic-period poetic device for a ''casus belli.'' The character traits of Empress Helena seem far more appropriate to Admiral Cain's personality than do those of the adulterous Face that launched a Thousand Ships. Of course, it could be just a coincidence, but in a show loaded with mythological and historical references, without asking the writers, we'd never know for sure, and sometimes even they might not really know why they use a reference; artistic works are often full of imagery and symbolism that even the work's creator isn't fully aware of the meaning of. That's why there are art historians. - Tawakalna Q'ubt ut-Allah.

:There is a level of permissable speculation, but these other things you were saying were so obscure I don't think they are relevant, or worth including. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:58, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::I ''don't'' see the significance of most of these edit reversions of Tawakalna's contributions, Merv. The Adama speculation is no less interesting than what can be found in "The Matrix" character name studies (given that no explanations have been, or probably will be forthcoming about them). Speculative: yes. Factual or interesting: (as far as all name and word origins go): Yes. While "Helena" might have been picked out of a hat by the writers, it nonetheless has an interesting comparison to history and/or mythology. Tawakalna obviously has a good grasp of this history, so unless you have a better source, I recommend restoration of the Adama, Tigh, Cain and Agathon edits. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:05, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Well if you feel it was okay, yeah, add it back. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 16:40, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

::::My two cents: I find practically none of this speculation interesting or insightful. The Matrix comparison is a bad one, since I don't find that line of inquiry interesting, either. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:47, 20 July 2006 (CDT)

Well, that's two to one against, so let's just leave it shall we? It was only an observation after all; if people really find such speculation useless to the point of being offensive, then it's hardly worth my time to carry on with something that's clearly creating hostility. - Tawakalna

:Well it wasn't offensive, and you could put it back if you want. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:26, 21 July 2006 (CDT)

== Starbuck's Tattoos ==

Kattee Sackhoff has two tattoos with a non-English language. One is the Latin "bona fiscalia" (public property). That fits nicely with the other Latin names on the show. Another is the Japanese Kanji for "choice" on the back of her neck. Maybe those should be added?
There could be a new title like "non-English languages" with that, the French noted above and also the Sanskrit in Elosha's prayer --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:28, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:Those are noted on [[Tattoo]] at present (though I thought that article might be disappearing... I could be wrong). I'm guessing that those aren't intended to be visible onscreen, given the efforts they seem to take to conceal them, but they are visible at times. That's a tough one. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:33, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::I know that they are on both Kattee's page and the tattoo one. They might try to hide them now and then, but they are clearly visible several times. The only one they really cover up is the crucifix. I found the Japanese one to be actually more visible once she switched to the ponytail. It's not just one or two times and I for one, don't try to explain them away as production errors or something --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:45, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== How many accents does D'anna Biers use? ==

Well, I just finished indulging a random little craving I had for "Final Cut," and all I heard was Kiwi, Kiwi, Kiwi. I'm not at all sure who this 'second' copy of D'anna who uses the Americanish voice is - does the sentence refer to whoever we see in the theatre watching the movie at the very end, or is there something I'm spacing on? As far as I know, there's never any mention of another copy who, as the section states, lives on Cylon-Occupied Caprica, and it never occurred to me that the D'anna at the Cylon film festival was actually an additional version. I guess it's conceivable that the movie premiere was on Caprica, but do we ever hear anyone say that? If memory serves me, the next time we see D'anna isn't until "Downloaded," and the article states that all post-DL'ed D'anna's only speak with a NZ accent. So, even if I'm a space cadet and missed the part where we learned about another D'anna on Caprica in FC, I still don't really notice a noticeable change in her accent during the few words the "other" copy says right before the episode ends.
So, if I'm just missing something obvious here and everyone else knows which "Second" D'anna is being described in this subsection, would anyone mind either "translating" for me so I can catch up with reality? Or perhaps rephrase the first few sentences so that an episode title is used as a reference point? And maybe substitute names for "her" and "she," etc.? Because I'm starting to wonder if I'm crazy like Gaius, here, and I can't figure out how to put all the pieces together on my own! And if nobody else hears another accent or remembers two D'anna models in FC, should we just delete the Kiwi section or reduce it to one sentence? --[[User:Omgoctagons|omg octagons!!]] 06:47, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:She is a different Three, she is in Caprica, as the place is labelled as "Cylon-Occupied Caprica". Also, the Three we see in Caprica in "Downloaded" is not D'Anna Biers. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 07:07, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Skirmish Over the Red Moon

2007-01-29T02:52:20Z

Saforrest: remove claim about engagement being the first such since Ragnar Anchorage; it is not true (see 33)

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|description=Starbuck's damaged Viper and the Cylon Raider are caught in the Red Moon's gravity field
|conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon war]]
|date=[[Re-Imagined Series Timeline|Day 14]]
|place=An unnamed ''[[Red Moon|red moon]]''
|result=Marginal [[Colonial]] victory
|combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
|combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
|co1=Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]
|co2=Unknown †
|strength1=[[Viper 1104]], 1 other [[Viper Mark II|Viper MkII]]
|strength2=8 [[Raider|Raiders]]
|shiploss1=1 Viper destroyed, 1 damaged
|shiploss2=7 Raiders destroyed, 1 disabled and captured
|casualties1=None
|casualties2= (8 Cylon Raiders)
|prev=[[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]
|next=[[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]
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The '''Skirmish over the Red Moon''' is a battle between eight [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]] that surprise a group of [[nugget]] [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] pilots under instruction by Lt. [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] in the orbit of an unnamed reddish moon orbiting a gas giant.

Starbuck orders the nuggets to return to ''Galactica'' while she engages all eight Raiders at once. However, Cadet [[Brendan Constanza|Hot Dog]] disobeys and follows her general order of always having a wingman.

Hot Dog succeeds in dividing the Raiders enough between the two Vipers long enough for Starbuck to shoot down six fighters. Hot Dog destroys one Raider (his first kill in a Viper) before suffering damage from incoming fire, pulling back from the engagement.

Starbuck destroys all but one Raider, and the two remaining fighters make a final run at each other.

Both the Raider and Starbuck's Viper exchange fire. The Raider's "pilot" is hit, but the ship remained intact. Starbuck's Viper experiences [[Computers#Avionics|electrical problems]] during the battle, which first causes her fighter's communications and transponder to go offline. Damage inflicted later by the Raider disables the Viper's flight controls.

Both fighters tumble out of control and fall into the [[Red Moon|red moon's]] gravity well. The Raider softly crash-lands onto the moon, but Starbuck must eject from her Viper after it goes into an uncontrollable [[Wikipedia:Spin (flight)|flat spin]] towards the moon's surface. ''Galactica'' recovers Hot Dog and his critically damaged Viper.

Starbuck lands by parachute on the moon, severely injuring her knee after being dragged by her parachute toward boulders and a cliff on the moon's surface.

With a broken [[wireless]] handset, she wanders on the moon looking for higher ground to await rescue. In her travels, she finds the crashed Cylon Raider she had fought earlier. Starbuck finds a way inside the Raider and discovers the bio-mechanical nature of the new generation of Raiders. Starbuck's attack of the Raider had left the "pilot" of the Raider shot in its "head," leaving it brain-dead.

Inside, Starbuck finds oxygen to stay alive after she exhausts her [[flight suit]]'s life support, and determines how to control the Raider by manipulating its internal organic actuators. Starbuck's strong flight instructor skills and [[Flight of the Phoenix|test-pilot savvy]] allows her to determine the basic mechanics of the new spacecraft quickly.

Starbuck repairs the damage she inflicted on the Raider by using a portion of her [[flight suit]] to seal the hole and repressurize the interior of the fighter. Starbuck flies the Raider off the moon and returns to ''Galactica'' once [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] successfully identifies her as the pilot of what would normally be an enemy target.

This is the first time Colonial forces are able to capture and examine the updated Cylon Raider. Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] and his deck crew spend the next several weeks analyzing the fighter, eventually returning it to flight status with significant internal modifications for effective human control ("[[Act of Contrition]]", "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]", "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", and "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]").

The Raider is later lost on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] during the events to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], when [[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]] steals it from Starbuck at the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]].

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Rapture

2007-01-25T06:34:01Z

Saforrest: correction about Dualla's partner

{{Episode Data
| title= Rapture
| image= Final Five.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 12
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]<br/>
| writer= [[Bradley Thompson]] <br/> [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 312
| rating=1.4<ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-battlestarsundayratings,0,863950.story?coll=zap-tv-headlines|title='Battlestar' Ratings Dip on Sunday|publisher=Zap2It.com|page=|date=24 January 2007|accessdate=24 January 2007|language=English}}</ref>
| US airdate= 2007-01-21
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,401
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== Overview ==

: ''With an impending supernova, the Colonials and Cylons see their time running out as they endeavor to unlock the secrets of the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. Meanwhile, [[Number Three]] executes her plan to know the faces of the [[Final Five]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] tries to get [[Hera|her daughter]] back.''

== Summary ==

===Act 1===
*Others in ''[[Galactica|Galactica's]]'' [[CIC]], particularly Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], become increasingly agitated and shocked as Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] continues issuing orders to arm and launch several nuclear missiles at the [[Temple of Five]]. He instructs Colonel Tigh to enter his launch codes as Adama does the same on his command console.
*In the [[The Eye of Jupiter|previous episode]], the Colonials warned that they would destroy the continent where the ancient [[temple]] resided if the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] attempted any landing there. Six [[Heavy Raider]]s are now heading to the planet, and Adama is intent on showing the Cylons that he is not bluffing.
*The Cylon [[basestar command]] detect Adama's continued missile preparations and become visibly worried that Adama will indeed destroy the Temple. Each of the available models immediately agree to a recall, except for the [[Number Three]] model, who defies the command group's consensus, and refuses to recall the last Heavy Raider.
*''Galactica'' notices the recall of all but one of the Heavy Raiders, which gives Admiral Adama a moment to reconsider. After several tense moments, Adama rescinds the launch order and orders his battlestar to stand down.
*The Cylons are relieved as well, but after the Three in the command room leaves in satisfaction, the others realize that the Cylon, a race predicated on consensus and not defiance or distinctive personality clashes, have a serious problem. A [[Cavil]] voices that the Threes are out of control, and that a decision regarding their actions must be made, sooner rather than later.
*In their quarters, [[Helo]] is angry, saddened and unable to convince his wife, [[Sharon Agathon]] of another course of action by way of Raptor or other transport in her desire to rescue their daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]], in the hands of the Cylons. In the end, both embracing, Helo shoots his wife to force her consciousness to [[Resurrection (RDM)|download and resurrect]] on the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] to attempt the rescue.

===Act 2===
*On the [[algae planet]], [[Lee Adama]]'s resistance movement is preparing. However, the Major and [[Samuel Anders]] are still fighting over saving [[Kara Thrace]] after her [[Raptor]] crashed from a Cylon missile attack. When Anders angrily proposes that he will shoot Major Adama if Thrace is dead, Adama responds that he would oblige Anders if Starbuck was killed, relating his feelings about the downed pilot. Their impasse ends when Adama calls his wife, Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]], and orders her to attempt reconnaissance and rescue of Starbuck.

*[[Galen Tyrol]] and his team continue deciphering the writings inside the Temple of Five for discerning the location of the [[Eye of Jupiter]], believed to be an important artifact that gives further data on the road to [[Earth]]. Their investigation does not go well, although Chief Tyrol believes he is close to understanding the writings.
*Admiral Adama and President Roslin meet with Helo and question his wisdom in the Agathon's rescue attempt of their daughter. Adama is concerned that the Cylons may gain critical tactical data from their defected former [[Cylon agent]]. When Roslin criticizes Helo, he angrily reminds her that, if she [[Downloaded|didn't steal their daughter]], the Agathons wouldn't be in this situation.

*Dualla and Sergeant [[Omar Fischer]] make their way to Starbuck's location, but are soon attacked by a Cylon sniper. After her partner is killed, Dualla scrambles, weaponless, along an alternate path to Starbuck's location.

*Starbuck has survived her crash relatively unhurt except for severe burns on her hands. The pain is so severe that Thrace hasn't sufficient dexterity to inject herself with a [[morpha]] shot for the pain. When she hears a noise outside, however, Starbuck suppresses the pain long enough to raise her sidearm at her Raptor's open door.
*Thankfully, Dualla appears at the entrance. After administering a morpha shot, Dualla proceeds to assess the Raptors damage. She tells Thrace that she was ordered to "bring Starbuck to Apollo," describing less of the actual rescue and more of her pain over the "secret" affair between Adama and Thrace.
*Sharon Agathon downloads successfully. Through fortune or design, it is [[Caprica-Six]] who greets her at the [[Cylon rebirthing tank]]. Agathon seems truthful in her intentions, despite Six's concerns. In turn, Six tells Agathon that the child is ill and is worsening, to the confusion of the Cylons.
*On the planet, Major Adama's team have set a bomb kill zone in a ravine where any Cylon forces must walk through.

===Act 3===
*When the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] spot the trap, [[Jean Barolay]] is forced to detonate it before the Cylons completely enter the blast radius.
*The explosion removes the lower torso of one Cylon, but it, along with the two undamaged units, return fire. The Colonials destroy the legless Cylon, but lose one of their own in the firefight. Having lost their only chance to hold back a Cylon advance, they begin a retreat to the highlands of the planet to await rescue.
*Major Adama calls Chief Tyrol and orders the immediately evacuation and destruction of the Temple of Five lest it fall in Cylon control. A reluctant Tyrol orders his team out and soon follows, with a detonation cord reel to the [[G-4]] packs in his hands.
*Dualla continues to repair the damaged [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series#Colonial Avionics|avionics]] from cannibalizing other datacord from the ship's communications system. When Thrace's pain increases, Dualla (with an apparently less-than-cordial "bedside manner") stabs Thrace's leg with another morpha injection. As she drifts into a sedated delirium, Thrace confesses to loving and hating Lee Adama and her husband. Dualla slaps the pilot both in annoyance and in an attempt to keep Thrace focused on a major problem: the former petty officer on ''Galactica'' is not flight-trained and cannot fly the Raptor, while Thrace's injuries make it impossible for her to fly.
*[[Gaius Baltar]], the "D'Anna" Three, and a [[Cavil]] prepare to enter the Temple. Baltar's virtual Six appears to remind him, despite Three's feelings, that Baltar himself and not Three is the "anointed one" who is meant to activate or access the Temple's secrets.
*Reunited with the other Colonials at a safe distance from the Temple, Tyrol is reluctant to detonate the Temple's explosives. When Major Adama wrestles the detonator away from Tyrol and activates it, nothing happens. Unknown to them, Cavil, Three, and Baltar have removed the detonator caps from the G-4 immediately after they entered the Temple.
*Chief Tyrol and the team see the atmosphere ripple and pulsate as the star begins its nova. The star's corona (or its effect on the atmosphere above the Temple) takes shape to form a likeness of the circular multicolored starburst-like [[w:mandala|mandala]] that decorated the Temple. Tyrol quickly realizes that the star itself ''is'' the Eye of Jupiter. The Colonial team goes to investigate.
*The algae planet's home star has made a helium burst of its outer atmosphere. The star is going nova. Everyone, Cylon and Colonial alike, have less than an hour to escape the system.
*Sharon Agathon and Caprica-Six arrive at Hera's room, where Agathon's ''Galactica'' predecessor, [[Sharon Valerii]], is tending the child. Valerii is visibly angered at Agathon's presence. When Agathon picks up her crying daughter, the child's cries cease momentarily. Caprica-Six curiously realizes that, while both Agathon and Valerii are biologically identical, Hera is able to recognize her mother.
*Agathon's human first-aid training recognizes that Hera's stomach is too firm, suggesting a possible intestinal blockage. When Valerii comments that the Cylon doctors detected no such problem, Agathon reminds her that the Cylons have no pediatric care experience, having medical experience only with the adult-sized humanoids of their kind.
*Agathon tries to have Valerii remember her love of Chief Tyrol and Admiral Adama, but the former "Boomer" denies her past and rescinds all possibility that humans and Cylons could co-exist, remembering the events on [[New Caprica]].
*Agathon pulls Caprica-Six from Hera's bedside and tells her that, for Hera to survive, she must return her to medical facilities on ''Galactica''. Complicating this, Valerii grows jealous of her inability to help Hera, appearing to become unstable, and physically threatens to break Hera's neck. Agathon pleads for Hera's life as Caprica-Six manages to knock out Valerii. To prevent Boomer from getting up, Six breaks the Cylon's neck.
*Agathon and Caprica-Six agree that Hera (and others that come after her) are crucial to the future of the Cylons (and, by implication, the Colonials). They make their way to ''Galactica'' by way of a captured Raptor.

===Act 4===
*Inside the Temple of Five, Baltar quietly notes a Colonial sidearm left behind while Cavil and Three example the structure. When the virtual Six points out the only mandala on a raised section of the floor, Baltar notes it, and Three gravitates to it as well.
*The nova's effect or light is being channeled through the central spire's crystalline mechanisms and activates a beam of light on the floor's sunburst.
*Cavil attempts to stop the Three from using the beam, questioning Three's intentions not to find Earth in as much as seeking the forbidden information of the [[Final Five]]. He points a gun to shoot Three, but Baltar shoots and kills the Cavil from behind.
*Three walks into the beam and immediately sees the vision of the five she's seen before. Unlike before, however, she is able to discern the specific faces. Three stands in front of one face (not visible to viewers) and immediately recognizes it, apologizing to the being for past transgressions before the vision abruptly stops.
*Dualla manages to fly the Raptor away to space, with Starbuck's guidance.
*Admiral Adama orders an immediate Raptor rescue of everyone on the planet after the Cylons [[Basestar (RDM)|baseships]] immediately retreat to escape the pending nova shockwave.
*Baltar holds Three, who apparently suffers mortal damage from the use of the Temple's vision mechanism. Baltar tries to get Three to tell her what she has seen; specifically, Baltar wants to know if she saw his face among the [[Final five|image of five beings]]. However, Three dies before he gets an answer.
*Baltar drops Three's body and stands in the starburst, attempting to see the vision himself. However, the Temple's illumination from the star has ceased, and so has the vision mechanism. As Baltar prays to God to help him, the barrel of a Colonial sidearm comes to rest at his head, and Chief Tyrol is holding it. The Chief sarcastically greets the deposed president and knocks him unconscious.
*Raptors are seen flying away from the planet and to ''Galactica''. The battlestar is under full sublight power, escaping from orbit while buying time for the Raptors to land and for the battlestar to prep for an [[FTL]] jump.
*''Galactica'' escapes the remains of the algae planet as the star<nowiki>'</nowiki>s shockwave tears through its system.
*Chief Tyrol and his group unload a body bag from his Raptor onto a gurney. He stops the gurney and discreetly shows Colonel Tigh that Baltar is inside, alive but unconscious. Tigh orders Tyrol to have Baltar taken to the [[brig]].
*Samuel Anders and Kara Thrace reunite. Lee Adama and Dualla, each on opposite sides of Thrace and Anders, see this as well. Adama moves to embrace his wife.
*In a briefing, Tyrol, Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], Roslin, Admiral Adama and Helo analyze the new nova and compare it to the Temple's mandala, realizing that the [[Thirteenth Tribe]] must have wanted anyone who followed after them to look for this symbol, or specifically, another nova. Gaeta finds a similar nova over 10,000 light years away, in the [[Ionian system]].
*Helo is fascinated over a picture of the temple's mandala. He makes his way to Kara Thrace's quarters and asks if she had any photos of her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].
*He finds a painting that Thrace had made on one of her apartment's walls. It is virtually identical to the temple's mandala, which was created 4,000 years before. When Thrace sees this, her mood darkens. She tells Helo that she had doodled this symbol often as child because she liked it, having no prior source for the symbol. She relates something that a [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] Cylon told her [[Flesh and Bone|over a year before]]: Thrace had a destiny, and, according to Leoben, it was already pre-written.
*On the Resurrection Ship, D'Anna-Three downloads successfully to find a Cavil sitting next to her tank. Cavil notes curiously that at least Three will not have to go through the process of resurrection again, and explains why.
*The other Cylons believe that Three's delusions of messianic intentions have revealed her as an inherently flawed design. Three counters that it is not wrong to seek ones own purpose, that the search for who and why the Cylons were built is an important task.
*The decision has been made to [[boxing|box]] the entire model. Three tells Cavil that he and the others will see the faces of the final five one day, but with a press of a button by Cavil, Three and all of her kind are deactivated.

== Questions ==
* Why did D'Anna die?
* Who did D'Anna recognize as being one of the [[final five]]?
* Why are the identities of the final five kept a secret? Why would the other seven Cylon models not know the identities of the final five, and why would the [[Cavil]] model want to prevent the others from learning about them? Do some or all of the Cylons not '''want''' to know and why would this be so?
* Have we seen the last of [[Number Three]]?
* Does a mechanism exist to revive boxed Cylons, given that their memories and thoughts still exist in cold storage?
* What will become of [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]?
* What is the connection between Starbuck and the [[Eye of Jupiter]]?
* What is Starbuck's destiny?
* What will President Roslin and Admiral Adama do with Baltar now they he is back in their custody?
* Has Roslin and Adama's relationship soured now that Adama knows of Roslin's involvement with hiding Hera?
* What will happen to [[Caprica-Six]] now that she is on ''Galactica''?
* Will there be any consequences to [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]]'s actions?
* Did the Cylons realize the significance between the mandala and the nova?
* With the [[Temple of Five|temple]] destroyed, what is the significance of Baltar being the "chosen one" rather than D'Anna?
* When Cavil told D'Anna to look at the damage that her convictions had done, was he referring to all of the other Threes who had been [[boxing|boxed]], to the Cylons as a whole, or to something else?
* How were the Cylons able to "box" all the Threes? Were they executed or were all resurrected because D'Anna's death triggered their own deaths?
* How did the crew of ''Galactica'' know that the Number Eight returning with Hera was the real Sharon?
* Were the marines that followed Tigh as they greeted Athena originally supposed to keep Athena under guard just in case she was indeed another Number Eight, or were they already informed about Caprica-Six?
* What did D'Anna mean when she told Baltar that he was right? Was she saying that he was a Cylon or was she referring to something else that he said to her earlier?
* Have any of the [[Number Three]] models escaped the boxing by fleeing for their own survival? Or have they all gone "quietly into the night"?

== Analysis ==
* The [[Final five|five figures in white]] bear a striking resemblance to the occupants of the [[Ship of Lights]] from the [[Original Series]].
* The basestar command apparently does not require consensus of all models, or need not have them to have a representative at the command center. [[Simon]] and [[Number Five]] are not seen during this episode. Of course, since there were only seven models at the time, four models casting the same vote is decisive. This is exactly what happened when Six, Eight, Leoben and Cavil voted in favor of recalling the Raiders.
* Despite no longer being XO, Helo is still included in high-level briefings. This may reflect another facet to his current duties aside from mere Raptor jockeying (this may also be supported by the fact that he is more often seen in uniform rather than flight suit or fatigues currently).
* Battlestar Wiki contributors confirmed the similarity between the symbolic Eye-of-Jupiter image in the Temple of Five and the painting seen in Kara Thrace's old apartment ([[Valley of Darkness]]) prior to this episode (see [[Talk:The Eye of Jupiter#WTF_moment|this talk page]]).
** According to the [[Podcast:Rapture|RDM podcast]], the image in Kara's apartment was a mandala that the actress had decided to paint before the actual shooting occurred.
* The tension between Athena and Boomer reaches a climax when Athena attempts to rescue her daughter. It has become clear that Boomer, like Athena, was presented with two choices, but unlike Athena, did not choose the path that led to forgiveness. Though both Eights had suffered persecution from the Colonials, but Athena, partly due to her love for Helo and Adama, chose to forgive, Boomer allowed the failure of New Caprica to push her over to the belief that humans and Cylons should go their separate ways.
* Boomer comments that Cavil believes that the Cylons aren't supposed to have children. This is unsurprising, given that model's lack of religious faith and belief that the Cylons shouldn't be emulating humans.
* Caprica-Six continues her defiance against Cylon society by choosing to believe in a possible new future between Cylons and humans. This particular Cylon, ever since her deception that led to fall of humanity, has consistently shown increasingly human traits. Like her decision to save Anders by killing a [[Number Three|Three]] to pave the way for a possible new future between Cylons and humans, her decision to kill Boomer to save Hera echoes those same beliefs.
* The rescue of the people on the [[algae planet]] occurs in an extremely short amount of screen time. This is reminiscent of the short amount of screen time that was given to ''Galactica'' retrieving her fighters before jumping away from the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. As noted in prior podcasts, the producers may be conserving their special effects budget for later episodes. Furthermore there just isn't much time available in each episode, so not everything can be shown in detail, which makes it necessary to compress events.
* The survivor count decreased by one at the start of this episode counting the loss of one of the civilian combatants during a gunfight on the planet's surface.
* [[Hera]], according to Caprica-Six, is able to distinguish her mother from the other [[Number Eight|Eights]]. Whether this indicates that Hera inherited a Cylon ability is yet to be seen. At the very least, on an emotional level, Athena and Hera have a mother-daughter bond that does not exist with [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]].
* According to the RDM podcast, Boomer's jealousy and rage developed over time, especially when she became Hera's primary caretaker. When it became apparent that Hera was not responding well to Boomer, she slowly developed a resentment towards Athena, because according to the Cylons, Hera existed because of God's true love. This implicated that the reason that Boomer and [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] were not able to conceive was because they didn't have true love between them. This, and Hera's response once Athena arrives, eventually led to the rage Boomer showed.
* After the initial stand-off ends when Adama decides to not nuke the planet, the defiant Three model states that no one would do such a thing over just one ship. However, ironically, that is exactly what Adama himself fears in "[[Hero]]" when he believes that the one recon fighter that crossed over into Cylon territory was what eventually led to the genocide of humanity.

== Notes ==
* Prior to the airing of this episode, [[James Callis]] revealed that [[Gaius Baltar]] returns to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in this episode.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1659 |title=Exclusive Interview: JAMES CALLIS SELLS iF MAGAZINE A BILL OF GOODS ON BATTLESTAR GALATICA SEASON 3 -PART 1 |date=2006-09-09 |accessdate=2006-09-09 |last=Elliot |first=Sean |format= |language=English }}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Chief Tyrol finds Gaius Baltar standing alone in the Temple of Five:''
:'''Tyrol:''' Welcome home, Mr. President. (Pistol-whips Baltar, knocking him unconscious)

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Eileen Pedde]] as Gunnery Seargant [[Erin Mathias]]
*[[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Aleks Paunovic]] as Sergeant [[Omar Fischer]]

== References ==
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The Eye of Jupiter

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:''For the artifact contained within [[The Temple of Five]], see: [[Eye of Jupiter]].''
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| image=S3-eyeofjupiter.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 11
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| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 311
| rating=1.4
| US airdate= December 15, 2006
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| podcast= Y
| population= 41,402
| note= '''Season 3 cliffhanger'''
| prev= [[The Passage]]
| next= [[Rapture]]
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== Overview ==
:''[[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] makes a stop at a planet and discovers the location of a [[The Temple of Five|religious artifact]] that may further lead the way to [[Earth]]—for both the Colonials and the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]].''

== Summary ==

===Act 1===
* The [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] is mending its wounds from its passage to the [[algae planet]]. The harvest proceeds well and is into its 14th day, and appears to be closing up shop.
*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] flies from ''[[Galactica]]'' to the harvest camp in a [[Raptor]], intentionally creating more noise than usual. [[Lee Adama]] is managing the harvest operations with his wife, [[Anastasia Dualla]].
*When Major Adama leaves to greet Kara Thrace, Dualla's face barely hides her disappointment and frustration at Adama's hasty departure.
*Major Adama greets Thrace with an admonishment of her piloting, but his comments are very brief; the two pilots embrace and passionately kiss.
*Adama wants he and Thrace to stop hiding their feelings and divorce their respective spouses. Thrace reminds him that marriage in the eyes of the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|gods]] is a sacrament; she has made a vow she will not break. Adama reminds her that their repeated secret encounters would be frowned on by the gods as well. Adama becomes frustrated, Thrace holds her position, and the two are left trapped in their feelings.
*On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], the little human/Cylon hybrid, [[Hera]], is crying and is not well. [[Gaius Baltar]] is awakened by her cries and visits the child, who is attended by the [[Number Eight]] known once as [[Sharon Valerii]].
*[[Galen Tyrol]] is part of the harvest team. He is repeatedly distracted by something which apparently only he can sense, and keeps looking out towards the unexplored hills beyond the harvest site. [[Samuel Anders]], also working on the harvest, comments that the algae harvest tastes as badly as it smells. Tyrol jokes that the algae is "breakfast, lunch and dinner until we can find a hot-fudge planet."
*After sensing something strange one time too many, Tyrol leaves the harvest camp and begins a trek to a mountainous area. He discovers a door--not a naturally-carved one, but a rectangular door, apparently constructed by human hands.
*Tyrol enters the door and walks through a passageway into an immensely large domed room, carved from within the mountain. In the center of the room is a center spire that reaches high into the structure. The spire is surrounded by five pentagonal obelisks. The center spire has ancient tribal carvings at the bottom, as well as illuminated crystalline pillars atop it. Tyrol, the son of a [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Clergy|priest]] and an [[oracle]], has a fair idea of what he has discovered: The [[Temple of Five]].

===Act 2===
*Carbon dating of the temple indicates that is is approximately 4000 years old, which matches when the 13th colony left [[Kobol]] in search of Earth.
*[[Laura Roslin]] discusses what she knows with Tyrol over [[wireless]] about this special [[Temple|temple]] as it is told in the [[Sacred Scrolls]] in Admiral [[William Adama]]'s quarters. But before they can digest the information further, they are alerted to four [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] that [[FTL|jump]] into orbit of the planet and move towards the Fleet.
*Admiral Adama orders the civilian Fleet to escape to [[emergency jump coordinates]], but leaves ''[[Galactica]]'' behind; Adama does not want to repeat the situation on [[New Caprica]], where he retreated with the remains of the Fleet and abandoned the colonists there. Adama chooses to stay to protect his harvest team until they can escape. He and Roslin also agree that, if the Temple of Five has a marker to [[Earth]], they must not let the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] take it.
*However, very uncharacteristically, the Cylons do not attack. In fact, they request communications with Adama. The voice that Adama hears is not a welcome one: It is [[Gaius Baltar]]'s.
*The Cylons request a meeting on ''Galactica'' to discuss the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. The [[Number Three]] copy that Baltar calls [[D'Anna Biers|D'Anna]], a copy of [[Cavil]], Baltar, and the [[Number Eight]] copy once known as [[Sharon Valerii]] board the battlestar under heavy [[marine]] guard.
*The virtual [[Number Six]] in Baltar's mind warns him that, while he may feel like he has returned home, he cannot stay: The Colonials would "toss (him) into an airlock and have a party."
*On the way to the meeting, [[Sharon Agathon]] recognizes the Eight copy as the former "Boomer" Valerii. Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] denies her entry into the meeting. The two Eights are left outside the doorway, facing each other with mutual looks of contempt.
*The two sides meet. Baltar attempts to take the initiative in an attempt to serve as a mediator, but this infuriates Roslin so strongly that she leaves the meeting. Adama receives the Cylon's terms: Leave peacefully so that they can gather the [[Eye of Jupiter]], and they will not attack. Cavil, with a sardonic face, adds the surrender of Baltar to the terms as well, to the former president's and Three's shock, "to sweeten the pot."
*Boomer-Eight tells Sharon Agathon that Hera is alive, but unwell, on their basestar. Agathon refuses to believe her.
*Admiral Adama is not amused by the Cylon's deal. Close to Three's face, Adama states his terms: ''Galactica'' will lay waste to the whole continent, destroying the planet's treasures with his nuclear arsenal should the Cylons attempt to land on the planet. The two sides depart in a state of détente.

===Act 3===
*Admiral Adama manages to get an order to his son of the situation and to destroy the site if the Cylons invade before the Cylons jam all wireless communications.
*Major Adama instructs Samuel Anders to organize fireteams to defend against a probable Cylon incursion. Anders, also realizing what Adama has been doing with Thrace, is very angry and initially refuses to oblige until Thrace asks him to comply.
*[[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] and Galen Tyrol speak in the temple. He tells her of how he was annoyed at his parents and their worship. Cally sees reverence on his face, despite his general mood of disbelief.
*Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] has conducted some scans of the star system of the algae planet. He warns that the sun of this system is in danger of becoming a supernova very soon. Gaeta, who normally is as secular as his commander, finds it very strange how the Cylons and Colonials arrive at this one place at this time just before the planet's imminent destruction. Adama notes that the "higher powers" at work appear to have a strange sense of humor.
*The [[basestar command]], with Baltar in attendance, discuss their plan to get the Eye. Cavil feels that annilihation of ''Galactica'' is the best option with the standoff (given that they are machines that can wait out humanity for years, or even millenia, and find Earth eventually).
*D'Anna, without consulting the other Cylons, has solely initiated the jamming of Colonial communications, and has already sent a [[Heavy Raider]] with a squad of [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] to the planet as the basestar fleet jumped in, successfully avoiding Colonial detection. This action confuses the others, particularly [[Caprica-Six]].
*D'Anna notes that, as soon as the Centurions recover the Eye, the other Cylons can destroy ''Galactica''.
*The Centurions on the planet are seen connecting additional materials to their back as they march away from their ship.

===Act 4===
*The Colonials, with Anders at the lead, plan out their defense on the planet. One team will manage ammunition distribution, another team will create [[tylium]] mines.
*As the harvest team-turned-point defense teams leave the tent, Major Adama compliments Anders for his honest, to-the-point direction to the group, indicating that Anders would make a good officer. Anders scoffs at Adama's compliment, inferring that he knows what Adama and Thrace have been doing. When Adama tries to object, Anders tells Adama not to insult his intelligence, as he is aware that Adama is not that only one that Thrace has enjoyed sexual company with.
*On the basestar, in the [[Hybrid]]'s room, D'Anna-Three is savoring the opportunity to see the faces of the final five [[Cylon agent]]s--"maybe the face of [[God]] himself." The Hybrid notes, in her quizzical manner, that the "five lights of the apocalypse" and the "sins" will be revealed only to the "chosen one," lifting her head and staring directly at Baltar as she says "the chosen one" repeatedly. D'Anna's eyes are closed and is not aware that the Hybrid is addressing Baltar.
*Caprica-Six enters and questions D'Anna's intentions. D'Anna dismisses their three-way relationship as she tells of her plan to leave with Baltar to discover the secrets of the Temple. Six is visibly hurt at being left behind.
*The planet team begin their final preparations, led by Dualla. With [[wireless]] jammed, she notes how hardwired observation points are to be created to warn of any Cylon advance, with Starbuck's Raptor taking point with directions to fly to the nearest observation point to relay any sightings. Thrace's annoyance at Dualla's precise direction leads to some catty replies by Thrace, which Dualla ignores.
*As the observation teams take their positions, Starbuck begins her recon flight. As she turns along a ravine, she spots the Centurion emplacement and is immediately fired upon by the Cylon's missile battery. Starbuck tries to evade and successfully manages to relay that she found Centurions before her Raptor is struck by a missile. With the controls on fire and visibility lost, Starbuck screams as she keeps her hands on the flight controls and fights for control of the Raptor. The [[Battle of the Algae Planet]] begins.
*As President Roslin explores what little is known about the Temple of Five from the Sacred Scrolls, Admiral Adama interrupts her, telling her of Boomer's return and asking if the story of Hera's faked death was true. Roslin admits the truth. When she tries to explain the reasons why, Adama abruptly leaves in anger.
*Adama tells the Agathons of Hera's discovery, and both are incensed. When Helo argues how painful it was for them and how Adama should know the pain of the moment, Adama reminds him that, unlike [[Zak Adama|his son]], their child is still alive, and that they should be grateful for that. Sharon Agathon glares at Adama and says she wants to see her child, inferring a greater intention.
*Major Adama reports to Anders that Starbuck's Raptor has gone down, but also tells him that a rescue mission is out of the question; they haven't enough manpower to rescue Thrace and defend their position.
*Six Heavy Raiders leave a basestar towards the planet.
*''Galactica'' sees the Heavy Raiders on [[DRADIS]] immediately. Tigh feels that this is a test to see if the Colonials are bluffing. Roslin believes that they were bluffing until Adama orders [[Hoshi]] to arm of a series of missile tubes, each containing a nuclear missile.
*As Anders argues for Thrace's rescue, Lee Adama explodes in defense of the mission, arguing the point that he has known and cared for Thrace for much longer than Anders, who tells Adama he is going after his wife. Adama's troops hold Anders at gunpoint.
*Unaware how events are escalating around and above him, Chief Tyrol illuminates the carved writings of the Temple with his flashlight and reads the inscriptions, trying to locate the actual resting place of the Eye. At one point, his flashlight's beam moves close to the target-shaped symbol in the center of the central spire.
*The basestar command detects the [[Radiological alarm|radiation signature]] of the missiles as ''Galactica'' targets the Temple.
*Adama authorizes the release of the missiles.

== Questions ==
*Will Adama go through with his plan to nuke the planet?
*Did Starbuck survive the crash of her Raptor?
*What is the [[Eye of Jupiter]] and how does it point the way to [[Earth]]?
*How much truth is there to Anders' claim of Kara Thrace's chronic infidelity ("You think you're the first?")?
*How will Athena and Helo knowing their child is still alive affect their relationship with Adama?
*How will Adama finding out Hera is still alive affect his relationship with Roslin?
*Is there a connection between the Temple of Five and the five missing Cylon models?
*Who or what is "The One Whose Name Cannot Be [Told(?)]" whom the Five supposedly follow? Is this a reference to [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Jealous God|the Jealous God]], who may or may not be the "one true God" of the Cylons?
*What are the "sins" of the Five that the Hybrid speaks of?
*Who is the "Chosen One" that the Hybrid speaks of?
*What consequences will Number Three's actions have within the Cylon society?
*Why does D'Anna feel that Caprica-Six cannot accompany her and Baltar?
*What is the Fleet doing without the presence of ''Galactica''?
*Will there be further confrontations between the two "Sharon Valerii"-type [[Number Eight|Eight]] models, as seen in the passageway tirade between [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]]?
*Were the Cylons really willing to hand Baltar over to the Fleet?
*When did [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] go over to the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons']] way of thinking? In this episode she clearly doesn't seem to think of herself as human anymore like she did in "[[Downloaded]]."
*Was the Cylon that was pointed out to be Boomer the same one that has been seen amongst the Cylon baseship leadership? If so, then her turning over to the Cylon side was complete by the time the Cylons had abandoned New Caprica.
*Is there a connection between [[Hera]] and the [[Eye of Jupiter]]?
*Does Dualla know about the affair between Lee and Kara?
*Will Hera be rescued from the Cylon baseship and returned to Athena?
*Did Adama inform Athena and Helo that it was the President who ordered the secret adoption of Hera?
*If Adama does fire the nuclear weapons, will the baseships destroy them before they reach the surface?
*What were the specifics of the target package selected by Adama?
*Did the Cylons experience the same trouble navigating through the star cluster that the Fleet did?

== Analysis ==
*At least eighteen people perished as a result of navigating through the radiation field of the star cluster. Most of these casualties are likely the skeleton crews of the ''Adriatic'' and the ''Carina'' and one of them is [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]].
*This episode ends the debate whether [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] knew about [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]]'s secret plan to hide [[Hera]] ("[[Downloaded]]", "[[Exodus, Part I]]") -- he did not know.
*[[Caprica-Six]] and [[D'Anna Biers|D'Anna]]'s dialogue indicates that they have been intimate with each other as well as with [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]].
*This is the first time the Cylons use "human" names on the basestar when not speaking with Baltar. D'Anna is named by Caprica-Six and another Number Three. Cavil's name is used by D'Anna.
*Coincidence (and destiny / predestination) seems to be a major theme with this episode: the humans & Cylons show up at the planet at the same time; the temple is discovered by Tyrol, son of a priest who revered this place; the planet is orbiting a star that will go supernova within days.
*At an unknown point in time, ''Galactica'' acquired at least four more nuclear warheads, bringing the total to at least seven; beginning the series with five and using one to destroy a basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]) and another being detonated by [[Gina]] on ''[[Cloud 9]]'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]). ''[[Pegasus]]'' may be the source, as these warheads may have been resupplied from ''Pegasus'''s arsenal, which likely occurred during the events of "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]".
*When the Hybrid speaks of the Chosen One, she looks directly at Baltar, not D'Anna, who has her eyes closed.
*Kara Thrace's explanation of marriage as a sacrament is similar to the [[w:Annulment (Catholic Church)|principles of the Roman Catholic Church]]. In this religion, a marriage between a baptized man and woman is one of the seven sacraments of the faith. A sacramental marriage cannot be dissolved, but only reviewed later to determine if the marriage was valid at all. If the marriage is invalid, an annulment is allowed. This suggests, by extension, that Thrace and Anders have had [[dedication ceremony|dedication ceremonies]] (the Colonial equivalent of baptism) if such a requirement is needed by the gods.
*There is no "shaft of light" coming from any identifiable source in the Temple at the end of the episode except for Tyrol's flashlight as he explores and reads. The movement of the spotlight is caused by Tyrol's movement of the flashlight. Nothing is shown in the episode that suggests that anything inside the Temple is light-sensitive.
*The [[tylium]] planned for the mines could come from three possible sources: Starbuck's Raptor, the harvest camp's power generators, or reserves kept for the Raptors and other ships servicing the harvest camp. If it was taken from Starbuck's Raptor, this supports the [[Substances in the Re-imagined Series#The Tylium Question|high energy yield of the fuel]] that, at the same time, would not sacrifice the Raptor's flight ability.
*Now that Baltar seems to have some purpose again, he has become more attentive to his grooming, finally trimming his beard.

== Notes ==
*Writer [[Jane Espenson]] revealed that this episode was originally titled "Eye of [[Zeus]]."<ref name="espenson-2">{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/12/11/jane-espenson-on-post-the-passage-questions/|title=TV Squad: Jane Espenson on post-The Passage questions|date=11 November 2006|accessdate=11 November 2006|last=McDuffee|first=Keith|format=|language=English}}</ref> In the podcast for this episode, Ron Moore explains that "Eye of Jupiter" just sounded better than "Eye of Zeus" and thus it was changed.
*This episode, whose teaser clocks in at just over 11 minutes, has the longest teaser of any episode thus far, narrowly beating out that of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".
*Outdoor sequences of the algae planet were filmed near Kamloops, British Columbia [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=46979].
*According to the podcast, the interior of the Temple of Five is the same set, an abandoned factory, as the large room on [[Ragnar Anchorage]] where Doral is left behind in the [[Miniseries]].
*This episode was screened in movie theaters in six cities (New York, Atlanta, St. Louis, Chicago, Dallas and Los Angeles) by TV Guide as a free promotional on December 14, 2006 one day before the United States airing. The source was a digital copy with no commercials. In at least two cities (Chicago and Los Angeles) writers from the show held a Q&A session after for fans. Also in at least two cities more than one screening was held. [http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700013556]

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Cylon baseship requests to speak with Admiral Adama''
::'''Adama''': Put it through speaker. This is Admiral Adama.
::'''Baltar''': Admiral. I can't tell you what a genuine pleasure it is to hear your voice. This is Gaius Baltar.

*''Baltar and Internal-Six discuss boarding the Galactica'':
::'''Six''': Feels like old times, doesn't it?
::'''Baltar''': Can't believe how much I actually missed this place.
::'''Six''': You know you can't return. They'd toss you out the nearest airlock and then throw a party.

*''Lee and Kara, discussing contingency plans:''
::'''Kara''': Can I make a suggestion you won't like?
::'''Lee''': Do you make any other kind?

*''the Cylon representatives, aboard Galactica:''
::'''D'Anna''': The weapons are hardly necessary.
::'''Cavil''' (sarcastically, clasping his hands): Yes. Exactly. We come in peace.

*''The Hybrid, giving more obscure prophecy:''
::'''Hybrid''': The five lights of the apocalypse rising, struggling towards the light... sins revealed only to those who enter the temple... only to the chosen one... the chosen one... the chosen one...
::'''D'Anna''': The Five await me. Gaius, I'm so close to knowing the truth!
::'''Hybrid''': Look into the eye to know thyself...look into the eye to know thyself...

*''During a meeting between Roslin and Adama with Baltar and the Cylons''
::'''Roslin''': The less this man says, the better this will go.
::'''Baltar''': Wait a minute. If it wasn't for me the Cylons would've blown you out of the sky two seconds after we'd arrived.
::'''Roslin''': (''Roslin to Adama'') I think you can handle this without me. . . if you can stomach it.

*''Caprica-Six confronts Baltar and D'Anna about their secretive behaviour''
::'''Caprica''': I'd like to think we that three have shared something, transcended the barriers that separate people, and yet somehow, the more time goes on, the more I find myself on the outside looking in.
::'''Baltar''': Well, that's not the case at all, is it? Because, we three, we're integral, we're part of...
::'''D'Anna''': We're finished.

== Official Statements ==

''[[Jane Espenson]] discusses the original name for "The Eye of Jupiter" and references to it in "[[The Passage]]:"''

: "When I wrote this episode, the upcoming episode was already well along, and it was called 'Eye of [[Zeus]].' So all the dialogue in my episode reflected that. It got changed to Jupiter later, and I don't know why. It's always hard to get names to legally clear. All you need is one guy named Zeus who lives in [[w:North Hollywood|North Hollywood]] and [[w:Standards and Practices|Standards and Practices]] is all over you to change the name. (deadpan) That's probably what happened."<ref name="espenson-2"/>

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Eileen Pedde]] as Gunnery Seargant [[Erin Mathias]]
*[[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[D'Anna Biers]] ([[Number Three]])
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as the [[Hybrid]]
*[[Aleks Paunovic]] as Sergeant [[Omar Fischer]]

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Talk:The Eye of Jupiter/Archive3

2006-12-17T02:41:45Z

Saforrest: /* WTF moment */

I wonder if it has to do with that big red spot... *rollseyes* --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:48, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I'm more reminded of that Writer's Podcast thing, you know when they're saying "How many more times are we going to find an artifact like the Arrow of Apollo and have to search for them all? That feels like going back to the well too many times, I mean what are we going to say, "Athena has 10 sacred toenail clipping scattered across space, you have to find them all...?" :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:49, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:i'm thinking along the lines of some jewelry. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:57, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

::It sounds like a good plotline actually. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:05, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Merv - you just made me spill forth mein coca cola whilst reading the section about the sacred toenail clippings - thats too much for 3am on a sunday morning! Still, plot looks good, just wish Season 3 would hurry up and AIR dammit! :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::No, really, they make a joke about "Athena's toenail clippings" in that writer's podcast thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:12, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I have a few possible meanings for 'eye of Jupiter' --[[User:starryniteynite|starryniteynite]]

1) Relatively obscure name for NGC 3242, a planetary nebula (A ring of illuminated gas expanding out from a sun-like star that's exhausted its fuel, and has lost its outer layers) a few thousand light years from Earth. Most astronomers call this 'the Ghost of Jupiter' instead, though some Hubble images have used this name. Its not a very unique PN (tho it has some gas streamers we can't quite explain), but it could be used as a navigational marker like M8 (the lagoon nebula). It is a very pretty nebula :)

2) "Eye of Jupiter" was the Greek/Roman name for the sun, which lead to today's 'all seeing eye' symbol of the free masons and on the pyramid in US currency

3)Adama=Zeus=Jupiter...yes, they tend to use Greek vs. Roman names, but the titles are not always consistent with this convention, and we have also seen evidence for non Greek mythological names (Isis, for example). The rest of it could be wordplay too...'eye' might refer to someone acting as Adama's eyes, rather than his eyes literally (just as 'The captain's hand refereed to Lee acting as Gardner's XO, or his hand, rather than some captain's literal hand)

4)A reference to Jupiter's big red spot, a huge hurricane-like storm on the planet's surface. Just like the "bastille Day" title, this could reference something in the episode, but not directly...they might travel through a similar storm. This has actually been done before in the miniseries, when Galactica travels into the storm at Ragnar

5) The tried and true, ancient object meaning...just like the arrow of Apollo directly references a character, but has no link to the character himself, this could just be a pretty piece of bling..

Personally, I would love #1, but only because it'd make me 2/2 for BSG objects in my thesis and I'm a total, unabashed geek. I think its probably #2, however, and they find some sort of navigational means of finding Earth (like a picture of Earth w/ distances& directions to three pulsars or very unique objects

== Duelling Sharons ==

So did anyone else get a sense of animosity/jealousy between the two Sharons? While it seems that Boomer has accepted her place amongst the Cylons and no longer considers herself a part of the humans, it also seems that she's a bit jealous of Athena's "taking her place", if you could call it that. Likewise, it also seemed that aside from her duties as a Colonial officer, Athena's refusal to let Boomer in with Adama was also somewhat out of personal distrust, ironically the same distrust of the Cylons that her fellow Colonial colleagues have.

Also, while Boomer told Athena about Hera's condition out of possible concern of the child (possible strain of humanity left in her? Cylon imperative? Or something else?), seems to me that Boomer enjoyed bursting her "sister"'s bubble on that. Talk about sibling rivalry there.

It'll be interesting to see if there will be any further Sharon vs. Sharon confrontations in the series.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 23:55, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:It was a very, very interesting dynamic. In any other show, we would have had a knock-down dragout "catfight." You hit the nail on the head. This episode was prime stuff. And, we on the wiki should be commended: our ''Galactica'' nuke count is right on the money! (Either that, or the show is using ''us'' as a source! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:20, 16 December 2006 (CST)

::Does that mean we can finally change the "Class-D Nuclear Warhead" to something completely different, since their nukes ''aren't'' Class-D? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:42, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Image==
Let's find an image that actually occurs in this episode. Maybe the wide shot of Tyrol in the temple? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Heh which one? to me it seems the Chief was a bit wide in ALL shots ; how could he gain weight while the fleet was starving? the chief definitely deserves the Lee Adama Fat-Ass trophy --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 03:10, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:Maybe it was Chief, and not Dr. Cottle, that got all of Kat's energy bars from the last ep.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 12:25, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Did Starbuck survive?==
Horray for the carelessness of adverts! Within ten minutes we knew the answer to that one. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Aside from that, it's going to continue the cycle of Soap Opera unease there, if Dee's the one sent to go get Starbuck back. Can't wait to see the uncomfortable stares on that one, especially if (as I suspect) Dee set up Starbuck to be the "eye in the sky" '''hoping''' the Cylons would shoot her down.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)
::Who else was supposed to fly the mission? Looks like Lee and Kara are the only two qualified pilots on the ground and Lee is needed in overall command. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:34, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Too good to be true==
When we Baltar's voice over ''Galactica'''s speaker, the closed caption actually identifies him as "Cylon over speaker". I know that's not really meant to be taken as anything, but with all the speculation, it seems like a shining goof, or maybe even someone taking a good piss out of the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation|whole thing]]. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Nuking the Planet==

Does anyone else think that the nuclear missiles have the ability to be detonated remotely, before they reach their target? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:44, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Not to mention abort code transmissions, etc. Makes you wonder if the missiles were set for "one shot, one kill" mode, where they could not be recalled.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:39, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== WTF moment ==

I was on the [[Karl Agathon]] page, updating it for this ep's news, when I came across [[:Image:Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg|this old picture]]. Considering how Kara's painting looks and that she's religious (though not indoctrinated in any sort of clerical form, unlike Chief Tyrol's parentage), does anyone think that (in hindsight), this may have been a hint to the Eye itself?--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 12:37, 16 December 2006 (CST)
: It actually makes a lot of sense... Taking Zeus to mean Admiral Adama, and that Kara Thrace is the go-to pilot for reconnaissance missions, AND the paintings on the walls, we have a plausible theory in the works! <small>—The preceding '''unsigned''' comment was added by {{User|Alcibiades}}.</small>
: Are you kidding me?! They set this episode up a year ago! --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 19:39, 16 December 2006 (CST)
: I find it pretty hard to believe too, but that painting ''really really really'' looks like the art in the temple. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 20:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== 18 Casualties & Relevance to "The Passage" ==

If 18 people were lost from '''The Passage''' episode, that means that 17 (at most) were aboard those two lost civilian ships, right? I'm only bringing this up to clarify what transpired — from that, and what we saw, the Raptors would pair up with a civilian ship, and that ship's passenger complement would be transferred onto ''Galactica'' (more heavily shielded, combat FTL drive) for the ferry run through the cluster. The civilian ship would then be crewed by an absolute bare minimum number of crewers. Then, when the group reached the other side of the cluster, the passengers would be transported back to their ships (if they survived the passage), the ships would remain at "Algae-planet", and ''Galactica'' would turn around and go back to the original side to repeat the cycle over again for a new group of civilian ships?

Am I reading/viewing this right? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:53, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:The ships were manned by skeleton crews. That was even mentioned in "The Passage" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:01, 16 December 2006 (CST)

: Don't forget that 14 days have transpired. there could have been more births in the fleet. I just came up with the difference from the two episodes--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:10, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== Humanoid Cylons recognize each other on sight ==

While back on New Craprica, Number 3 knew right away that it was Sharon Agathon. Of course, who else would be trying to remove the ship's launch keys?

This episode, we see that Athena knew on sight that this Number Eight was Boomer. Interesting.

Can Cylons tell on sight which of the copies they are? It's already established that the bulletheads can't.

Note in last weeks episode, Baltar was able to pick The D'anna number three out of the hallway on sight, even though there is an identically dressed number three in the same hallway. [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 16:50, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Those two instances do prove that they do recognize one another, which was hinted at in the "[[Cylon Agent]]" page. I guess now it's more than a hint. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:54, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Names of marines==
Has anyone heard (or seen in close captions) the names of the marines that were with Starbuck and Dualla? I know one of them is [[Fischer]], but the other three? I heard something like: Criggs, Verek, Ditko. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Sharon Agathon

2006-12-17T01:19:59Z

Saforrest: Starbuck was not confused; nothing she said or did suggests she thought the copy was anything other than what it was.

:''This article concerns the copy of Cylon Model [[Number Eight]] first seen on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] who marries [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and becomes a Colonial Officer.''
:''For information on Sharon "Boomer" Valerii first seen on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]],'' the lover of Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]], see [[Sharon Valerii]]. For information on the various copies, see [[Number Eight]]. For information on an [[Original Series]] character with a similar name, see [[Athena (TOS)]].''
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'''Sharon "Athena" Agathon''' is a copy of the Cylon human model [[Number Eight]] who is first encountered by [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]], when he is stranded on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. She is initially assigned to seduce him by impersonating Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]], as part of a Cylon cross-breeding experiment, but later turns against her people and helps him escape the planet; pregnant with his child during that time. Helo, first shocked by her true nature, ultimately accepts her as the mother of his child and declares his love for her.

Once on ''[[Galactica]]'', she is imprisoned and long seen as a mere object. She frequently provides intelligence, but is severely mistreated by an interrogator from ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' who beats and sexually assaults her. Over time, she earns Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] trust by helping the [[Colonial Fleet]] escape peril several times and she is eventually appointed as a Colonial Officer. Agathon gives birth on ''Galactica'', but her child [[Hera]] is subsequently hidden from her and she believes Hera to be dead. She is married to Karl Agathon.

== Biography ==
=== Cylon cross-breeding experiment ===
Sharon is a [[Number Eight]] model first seen on [[Caprica]], as the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] decide to use her in an elaborate experiment focused on [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]] who is stranded on the planet. She is an identical copy of Helo's friend and colleague Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]] and the Cylons hope to explore the possibilities of Cylon-human procreation by getting Helo to fall in love with her ([[The Farm]]). Sharon appears to Helo to rescue him after he is captured by a [[Number Six|Six]] and several [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]]. Unaware that Cylons have developed human models, Helo believes her to be Sharon Valerii from ''Galactica'', returning to rescue him ([[33]]). Following this staged rescue, she leads Helo to a Raptor, now surrounded by Cylon Centurions, convincing him that they have no direct way off the planet ([[Water]]). Sharon is able to impersonate Lieutenant Valerii convincingly, since she has accessed Valerii's entire memories ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

After receiving a feigned Colonial signal on a radio receiver they carry, Sharon leads Helo to a city where they find a fully-equipped fallout shelter in which two people can live in reasonable security, hidden from above-ground Cylon operations, and with sufficient supplies to last a considerable period of time ([[Act of Contrition]]). The purpose in establishing this retreat is to elicit an emotional response in Helo towards his Cylon companion. When this fails and Helo continues to seek a way off Caprica, the Cylons lead him to believe that Sharon has been captured, concluding that if Helo does not seek to rescue her, the experiment has failed, and he must be killed ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).

Helo does undertake a successful rescue attempt and shortly after, the two of them have sex for the first time in a nearby forest. Helo had always been fond of the original Valerii on ''Galactica'', but his affection for her was stilled by her relationship with Chief [[Galen Tyrol]] ([[Six Degrees of Separation]]). Pleased with the progress, the Cylons set up a new hideout, a cabin in the woods, and Sharon is instructed to lead him there and have him stay with her – or kill him, if he attempts to leave ([[Flesh and Bone]]). But she begins to question the Cylons' overall goal. Realizing that she has herself fallen in love with Helo, Sharon disobeys her instructions and leads Helo to [[Delphi]], where they hope to steal a vehicle and get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]). On the way to the spaceport, she shows signs of being pregnant, succumbing to a bout of morning sickness ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]) and developing a ravenous appetite ([[Colonial Day]]).

===Revelation of her true identity and arrival at the Fleet ===
[[Image:Boomerhelokara.jpg|235px|left|[[Helo]] attempts to stop Lt. [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] from shooting Sharon, in the [[Delphi Museum]].|thumb]]
On reaching Delphi, Sharon and Helo break into the Cylon facilities to gain access to the spaceport. But as Helo encounters yet another [[Number Eight]] model, he draws the initial conclusion that Sharon is a human clone created by the Cylons and goes on the run alone ([[Colonial Day]]). When Sharon catches up with him, she tried to calm him down and eventually challenges him to shoot her, after he tells her to stay away ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Helo can only bring himself to wound her, and he takes Sharon with him to use her in some way to get off Caprica. While Helo keeps her at gunpoint, Sharon leads him to the [[Delphi Museum]]. Waiting out a storm in a nearby ruined building, she explains to him that she is “Sharon”, not a mere clone or a copy, and that she is as real as [[Sharon Valerii]] on ''Galactica''. She also tells him that her love for him is real and that she is pregnant with his child.

When Sharon and Helo come across Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace]] who has landed near the museum to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], Thrace realizes on-sight that Sharon is a Cylon (having left Valerii behind on ''Galactica'') and she attempts to shoot her. Helo stops Thrace and reveals to her that Sharon is pregnant with his child ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]). While Thrace and Helo argue over her, Sharon escapes in Thrace's [[Cylon Raider]] to save herself and the life of her unborn child ([[Scattered]]).

Several days later, Sharon returns to Helo who is now with a human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance movement]] that has formed on Caprica. She offers her help in finding Thrace who was abducted during a Cylon ambush ([[The Farm]]). Thrace manages to escape to the outside of the hospital where she was imprisoned and Sharon arrives at the rescue scene in a stolen Cylon [[Heavy Raider]], destroying several [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] that attack the Resistance rescue party. Following the successful rescue, Sharon accompanies Helo and Thrace on their way back to the human [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] in the Heavy Raider.

When Sharon walks aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]'', Captain [[Lee Adama]] reacts violently. The son of Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] who was shot by the Cylon "sleeper" agent Valerii grabs her and places his gun to her head. Helo draws his sidearm against Adama, forcing a standoff. President [[Laura Roslin]] urges both men to withdraw their weapons, but then immediately orders Sharon to be ejected out an airlock. Sharon tells Roslin she knows the location of the [[Tomb of Athena]], an ancient place Roslin is trying to find, and she reconsiders, placing Sharon in the brig. Roslin later explains that she suspects Sharon is willing to cooperate, because she wants to protect Helo and her unborn child, something Roslin interprets as a mothering instinct.

=== Guide on Kobol ===
[[image:sharonhome.jpg|235px|Sharon on Kobol, with [[Helo]], Priestess [[Elosha]] and President [[Roslin]].|thumb]]
Sharon accompanies [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] party to [[Kobol]]. She recites specific passages of the [[Tomb of Athena]] in the scriptures of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] and plots the group's path along a ridge nearby. On their way they are ambushed by [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] who open fire. As the others take cover and return fire, Sharon vaults away, with Captain [[Lee Adama|Adama]] in pursuit, believing she is trying to escape. Sharon picks up a grenade launcher lying ahead, and as Adama thinks she is about to shoot him, she aims for the remaining Centurion and destroys it ([[Home, Part I]]). At camp, Adama voices suspicions about Helo who still loves Sharon, despite his awareness of her true nature as a Cylon. During the trek, Sharon casually tells Helo that their child is a girl.

Shortly after, Commander [[William Adama|Adama’s]] search party arrives at Roslin's camp. When Adama sees Sharon who exactly resembles the Cylon who shot him, he immediately tries to choke her to death. He is forced to release her, after Sharon touches his fresh wound, leaving him with severe chest pain. During their struggle, Sharon enigmatically references what Adama said over [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon Valerii’s]] dead body, saying “and you asked why” aloud.

Later, one of [[Tom Zarek|Tom Zarek's]] followers, [[Meier]], tries to convince Sharon to help him kill both Adamas, as part of a plan to gain control of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. Sharon initially believed that Sharon Valerii was being held in the [[brig]], but Meier informs her that she was killed. She expresses her outrage to Helo that [[Cally]] received only a minor punishment for this murder. Sharon deduces that the Colonials do not see humanoid Cylons as people and that she must take matters into her own hands to prove her trustworthiness. Sharon appears to take up Meier's proposal to kill both Commander Adama and Captain Adama, but as Meier draws his weapon, she kills him instead, saving the lives of both Adamas. She announces to Commander Adama that she is not the same Cylon who shot him, and that she has no hidden protocols waiting to be activated; she makes her own choices. She then surrenders her weapon to Adama and successfully leads them to the Tomb of Athena.

=== Cooperation with the human Fleet ===
[[Image:Valerii_virus.jpg|thumb|170px|left|Sharon connected to ''Galactica's'' main [[Computers|computer]].]]
Sharon is brought aboard ''Galactica'' and imprisoned in a new reinforced cell that was originally designed to incarcerate [[Sharon Valerii]]. The virtual [[Number Six]] tells Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] that Sharon's baby will be born in that cell and that the child belongs to Baltar and her ([[Home, Part II]]).

During her imprisonment, Sharon nearly has a miscarriage, and is brought to [[sickbay]] where Dr. [[Cottle]] succeeds in saving the fetus. A [[Number Three]] model who poses as the reporter [[D'anna Biers]] in the [[Fleet News Service]], stumbles upon Sharon while filming a documentary on board ''Galactica'' and she manages to send footage of Sharon back to Caprica. The Cylons are surprised, yet overjoyed, that Sharon is still alive. They are concerned that her hybrid child survives; saying that it must be protected at all costs ([[Final Cut]]).

When ''Galactica'' experiences mysterious computer failures and system malfunctions from a mutated version of a Cylon virus, Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] orders Helo to show the incarcerated Sharon the strange Cylon code. Sharon identifies it as a virulent [[logic bomb]] that will take control of the ship and kill off the crew without her help. Reluctantly, on advice from President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], Adama brings Sharon to [[CIC]], where she cuts her arm open and connects her body to a fiber optic line to communicate with ''Galactica's'' mainframe [[Computers|computer]]. Accessing the computer, she takes into her a portion of the logic bomb code, and then instructs Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] to wipe the system's hard drives to erase all Cylon virus traces. As the crew restarts the ship’s computers, a massive Cylon fighter force jumps into range, leaving ''Galactica'' defenseless. Sharon makes adjustments to the code and resends the virus out on the communication channels to the Cylons, disabling the entire fleet of Cylon fighters. ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

=== Interrogation and abuse ===
[[image:Pegasus-Thorne_Boomer.jpg|235px|Sharon is beaten and sexually assaulted during an interrogation by Lt. [[Alistair Thorne|Thorne]].|thumb]]
After ''Galactica'' reunites with battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] sends Lieutenant [[Alistair Thorne]] to inspect the incarcerated Sharon. He beats and sexually assaults her with the help of several of his guards. Helo and Chief [[Tyrol]] find out about Thorne and what was done to his previous [[Gina|prisoner]], and they arrive in time to stop him, but Tyrol accidentally kills Thorne in the process. Both Tyrol and Helo are arrested by the ''Pegasus'' guards and taken to Admiral Cain's battlestar, where Cain hastily convenes courts-martial for them, sentencing both to death ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).

Sharon's attempted rape results in a hairline fracture in one of her ribs and minor bruising. Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] who has reached a détente with Admiral Cain over Helo and Tyrol's execution personally apologizes to Sharon over the incident; this is also the first time that Adama refers to Sharon as "her", instead of "it". Later, Adama asks to speak with her in private, questioning her why the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] hate humanity. She responds by reminding him of a speech he gave before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attacks]], in which he suggested that humanity is a flawed creation, and she implies that therefore humanity might not deserve to survive. Sharon is later reunited with Helo and Tyrol when the two are released after Cain's death, as Adama resumes full command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

Weeks later, President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], on her deathbed, orders that Sharon's fetus be aborted, fearing the baby might be dangerous for the Fleet. On hearing this news, Sharon is enraged, having cooperated fully to aid the Fleet to save herself and her child, and to show that not all Cylons are dangerous. Marines are sent to take her to [[sickbay]] to forcibly perform the abortion procedure. At the last minute, Dr. [[Baltar]] learns that the fetal blood of Sharon's baby has the ability to destroy cancer cells. He takes a small blood sample and injects it into the dying Roslin; moments later, her cancer disappears. The abortion procedure is cancelled ([[Epiphanies]]).

Despite her mistreatment, Sharon continues to support the Fleet and provides intelligence. She helps Captain [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] to understand the behavior of [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] ([[Scar]]), and frequently assists Admiral Adama to plot the Fleet's course in order to avoid Cylon confrontation. Colonel [[Tigh]] remains extremely skeptical of her increased involvement ([[Sacrifice]]).

===Birth of her daughter Hera===
[[Image:Sharondownloaded.jpg|170px|thumb|left|[[Helo]] comforts Sharon, as Dr. [[Cottle]] start to perform an emergency birth procedure ]]
When Sharon begins to bleed due to a detached placenta, Dr. [[Cottle]] performs an emergency birth procedure to save both her and the baby's life. Sharon and Helo name the baby girl [[Hera]]. After her parents believe Hera is out of danger, the baby apparently dies due to her underdeveloped lungs and Dr. Cottle's failure to intubate her in time. Sharon, suspecting her child was killed deliberately, nearly strangles Dr. Cottle before being subdued, and she subsequently falls into a deep depression.

However, unbeknownst to Sharon and Helo, Hera is still alive. President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] who still considers the child a danger for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] had Sharon's baby switched with another dead child and, with the help of Dr. Cottle and her aide [[Tory Foster]], places Hera in the care of [[Maya]], a foster mother. Maya is told a cover story that disguises Hera's true identity ([[Downloaded]]).

Sharon's depression over losing her child worsens and Helo convinces her to aid in the rescue of [[Samuel Anders]] and other survivors on [[Caprica]], in part to try and draw her out of her depression. Sharon's knowledge of Cylon [[FTL]] technology makes the rescue possible. She acts as a conduit between the Colonial Raptors and the far more advanced FTL computer salvaged from the Cylon Heavy Raider she once brought back to ''Galactica'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

On Caprica, Captain [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]] demonstrates a new level of trust for Sharon by handing her a gun during a firefight with ambushing [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]]. Later, Sharon is as perplexed as everyone else when the Cylons disengage and apparently leave the planet. She is aware, however, that [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]], a man who approaches the group and loudly proclaims the end of the occupation to be a miracle, is a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]]. On ''Galactica'', Cavil is exposed by Chief [[Tyrol]], and Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] sends Sharon back to the brig. When asked by a distraught Helo why she did not mention that Cavil is Cylon, she replies "They killed my baby. Do you think I care about you, or us, or whether or not Adama trusts me anymore?" Sharon withdraws further, shutting Helo out completely ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

===Officer of the Colonial Fleet===
[[Image:Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - C-Number Eight, Adama, Helo.jpg|235px|Sharon Agathon is sworn in by Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] as a Colonial Officer.|thumb]]
More than a year later, and four months after ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus's'' retreat from [[New Caprica]], Sharon Agathon is now married to Karl "Helo" Agathon. Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] has taken to sitting down to tea and talking in confidence with her and her cell now has a couch, a table, and other amenities ([[Occupation]]). Admiral Adama commissions Agathon into the [[Colonial Fleet]] as a Lieutenant (Junior Grade). In her first mission she leads an insertion force that will serve as a liaison between the [[New Caprica Resistance]] and ''Galactica'' during the extraction of the New Caprica population. She commands two Raptors in an intra-atmosphere jump and links up with [[Samuel Anders]] and his squad at the [[Breeders Canyon]]. Their planning is interrupted when [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] ambush their position ([[Precipice]]). Agathon and her assigned Marines anticipated enemy contact, so the Marines, from a supporting position, easily neutralize the Cylon attackers.

On the following day, Agathon enters the Cylon [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]] to recover the [[launch key|launch keys]] for the grounded Colonial Ships. Two human [[New Caprica Police]] guards, not being able to distinguish her from any other Eight, let her enter and she interfaces with a data terminal to determine the location of the keys. As she is taking them, a [[Number Three]] enters the room and immediately recognizes her as the defector. The Three tells her that [[Hera]] is still alive, but Agathon responds that Adama would not lie to her, shooting the Three in each leg, and departs. When she hands over the launch keys to Chief [[Tyrol]], she asks him if he had actually seen Hera's ashes, which he affirms ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

Following the [[Battle of New Caprica]], Agathon is eating in the mess hall with Helo and [[Margaret Edmondson|Racktrack]], insisting that they not use the callsign "Boomer", since it belonged to [[Sharon Valerii]]. Helo asks the crew for suggestions for a callsign, finally opting for [[Hot Dog|Hot Dog's]] suggestion, Athena, after a number of robotic callsigns are proposed. The gathered personnel's treatment during the exchange appears to be good-natured ribbing, implying that she has managed to achieve a degree of acceptance ([[Torn]]). Agathon attends the boxing matches organized by Admiral Adama, cheering her husband and helping him during his fight with Major [[Lee Adama|Adama]] ([[Unfinished Business]]).

After the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's]] food stocks are contaminated, Agathon undertakes a solo recon mission through a high radiation cluster to look for a planet with suitable material to replenish the Fleet's lost food supplies. Being a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], she is able to endure an extended stay in the cluster without endangering her own health -- which is interesting and possibly a continuity error, as originally it was suggested that Cylons are <i>more</i> susceptible to radiation sickness than humans (cf. [[Leoben_Conoy|Leoben Conoy]] falling ill on [[Ragnar_Anchorage|Ragnar Ancorage]], hence using a nuclear warhead for Baltar's [[Cylon_detector|Cylon detector]]). Regardless, her mission in the cluster is successful and she locates a planet with algae suitable for processing and consumption ([[The Passage]]).

It is during their time at the [[Algae planet]] that a party of Cylons come onboard ''Galactica'' to make demands regarding [[the Temple of Five]]. Agathon identifies the [[Number Eight]] with the party as her "predecessor", [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] and notifies [[Saul Tigh|Col. Tigh]], preventing her entry. The two Sharons at this time confront each other, and Agathon is initially disbelieving and mistrusting when Valerii informs her that her daughter, [[Hera]], is still alive. To her shock, Agathon and Helo soon find out from [[William Adama|Adm. Adama]] that it is true. ([[The Eye of Jupiter]])

==Notes==
*This [[Number Eight]] is usually called "Sharon" and more recently "Athena", while [[Sharon Valerii]] is often just called "Boomer", as that callsign is closely associated with her. Until season 3, this copy was referred to as the Caprica copy ("Caprica-Sharon"), because she was first encountered on Caprica.
*During Season 1, Sharon Agathon parts her hair on the left side of her head, while Sharon Valerii parts her hair on the right.
*Sharon Agathon's callsign, "Athena", may be a reference to her nature as a Cylon, if the Colonists share the Greek myth that Pallas Athene sprung from the head of Zeus fully grown without ever having a childhood – much as a Cylon does.
* Her callsign also creates a parallelism with the [[Original Series]] character of [[Athena (TOS)|Athena]]. In the Original Series, Athena was the daughter of [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]]. [[William Adama]], in the Re-imagined Series, felt a close fatherly bond to Sharon Valerii. Agathon's relationship with Adama is very similar and reinforces the similarity with the Original Series character.

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Talk:The Eye of Jupiter/Archive3

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I wonder if it has to do with that big red spot... *rollseyes* --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:48, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I'm more reminded of that Writer's Podcast thing, you know when they're saying "How many more times are we going to find an artifact like the Arrow of Apollo and have to search for them all? That feels like going back to the well too many times, I mean what are we going to say, "Athena has 10 sacred toenail clipping scattered across space, you have to find them all...?" :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:49, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:i'm thinking along the lines of some jewelry. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:57, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

::It sounds like a good plotline actually. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:05, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Merv - you just made me spill forth mein coca cola whilst reading the section about the sacred toenail clippings - thats too much for 3am on a sunday morning! Still, plot looks good, just wish Season 3 would hurry up and AIR dammit! :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::No, really, they make a joke about "Athena's toenail clippings" in that writer's podcast thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:12, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I have a few possible meanings for 'eye of Jupiter' --[[User:starryniteynite|starryniteynite]]

1) Relatively obscure name for NGC 3242, a planetary nebula (A ring of illuminated gas expanding out from a sun-like star that's exhausted its fuel, and has lost its outer layers) a few thousand light years from Earth. Most astronomers call this 'the Ghost of Jupiter' instead, though some Hubble images have used this name. Its not a very unique PN (tho it has some gas streamers we can't quite explain), but it could be used as a navigational marker like M8 (the lagoon nebula). It is a very pretty nebula :)

2) "Eye of Jupiter" was the Greek/Roman name for the sun, which lead to today's 'all seeing eye' symbol of the free masons and on the pyramid in US currency

3)Adama=Zeus=Jupiter...yes, they tend to use Greek vs. Roman names, but the titles are not always consistent with this convention, and we have also seen evidence for non Greek mythological names (Isis, for example). The rest of it could be wordplay too...'eye' might refer to someone acting as Adama's eyes, rather than his eyes literally (just as 'The captain's hand refereed to Lee acting as Gardner's XO, or his hand, rather than some captain's literal hand)

4)A reference to Jupiter's big red spot, a huge hurricane-like storm on the planet's surface. Just like the "bastille Day" title, this could reference something in the episode, but not directly...they might travel through a similar storm. This has actually been done before in the miniseries, when Galactica travels into the storm at Ragnar

5) The tried and true, ancient object meaning...just like the arrow of Apollo directly references a character, but has no link to the character himself, this could just be a pretty piece of bling..

Personally, I would love #1, but only because it'd make me 2/2 for BSG objects in my thesis and I'm a total, unabashed geek. I think its probably #2, however, and they find some sort of navigational means of finding Earth (like a picture of Earth w/ distances& directions to three pulsars or very unique objects

== Duelling Sharons ==

So did anyone else get a sense of animosity/jealousy between the two Sharons? While it seems that Boomer has accepted her place amongst the Cylons and no longer considers herself a part of the humans, it also seems that she's a bit jealous of Athena's "taking her place", if you could call it that. Likewise, it also seemed that aside from her duties as a Colonial officer, Athena's refusal to let Boomer in with Adama was also somewhat out of personal distrust, ironically the same distrust of the Cylons that her fellow Colonial colleagues have.

Also, while Boomer told Athena about Hera's condition out of possible concern of the child (possible strain of humanity left in her? Cylon imperative? Or something else?), seems to me that Boomer enjoyed bursting her "sister"'s bubble on that. Talk about sibling rivalry there.

It'll be interesting to see if there will be any further Sharon vs. Sharon confrontations in the series.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 23:55, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:It was a very, very interesting dynamic. In any other show, we would have had a knock-down dragout "catfight." You hit the nail on the head. This episode was prime stuff. And, we on the wiki should be commended: our ''Galactica'' nuke count is right on the money! (Either that, or the show is using ''us'' as a source! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:20, 16 December 2006 (CST)

::Does that mean we can finally change the "Class-D Nuclear Warhead" to something completely different, since their nukes ''aren't'' Class-D? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:42, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Image==
Let's find an image that actually occurs in this episode. Maybe the wide shot of Tyrol in the temple? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Heh which one? to me it seems the Chief was a bit wide in ALL shots ; how could he gain weight while the fleet was starving? the chief definitely deserves the Lee Adama Fat-Ass trophy --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 03:10, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:Maybe it was Chief, and not Dr. Cottle, that got all of Kat's energy bars from the last ep.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 12:25, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Did Starbuck survive?==
Horray for the carelessness of adverts! Within ten minutes we knew the answer to that one. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Aside from that, it's going to continue the cycle of Soap Opera unease there, if Dee's the one sent to go get Starbuck back. Can't wait to see the uncomfortable stares on that one, especially if (as I suspect) Dee set up Starbuck to be the "eye in the sky" '''hoping''' the Cylons would shoot her down.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)
::Who else was supposed to fly the mission? Looks like Lee and Kara are the only two qualified pilots on the ground and Lee is needed in overall command. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:34, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Too good to be true==
When we Baltar's voice over ''Galactica'''s speaker, the closed caption actually identifies him as "Cylon over speaker". I know that's not really meant to be taken as anything, but with all the speculation, it seems like a shining goof, or maybe even someone taking a good piss out of the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation|whole thing]]. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Nuking the Planet==

Does anyone else think that the nuclear missiles have the ability to be detonated remotely, before they reach their target? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:44, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Not to mention abort code transmissions, etc. Makes you wonder if the missiles were set for "one shot, one kill" mode, where they could not be recalled.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:39, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== WTF moment ==

I was on the [[Karl Agathon]] page, updating it for this ep's news, when I came across [[:Image:Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg|this old picture]]. Considering how Kara's painting looks and that she's religious (though not indoctrinated in any sort of clerical form, unlike Chief Tyrol's parentage), does anyone think that (in hindsight), this may have been a hint to the Eye itself?--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 12:37, 16 December 2006 (CST)
: It actually makes a lot of sense... Taking Zeus to mean Admiral Adama, and that Kara Thrace is the go-to pilot for reconnaissance missions, AND the paintings on the walls, we have a plausible theory in the works!

== 18 Casualties & Relevance to "The Passage" ==

If 18 people were lost from '''The Passage''' episode, that means that 17 (at most) were aboard those two lost civilian ships, right? I'm only bringing this up to clarify what transpired — from that, and what we saw, the Raptors would pair up with a civilian ship, and that ship's passenger complement would be transferred onto ''Galactica'' (more heavily shielded, combat FTL drive) for the ferry run through the cluster. The civilian ship would then be crewed by an absolute bare minimum number of crewers. Then, when the group reached the other side of the cluster, the passengers would be transported back to their ships (if they survived the passage), the ships would remain at "Algae-planet", and ''Galactica'' would turn around and go back to the original side to repeat the cycle over again for a new group of civilian ships?

Am I reading/viewing this right? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:53, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:The ships were manned by skeleton crews. That was even mentioned in "The Passage" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:01, 16 December 2006 (CST)

: Don't forget that 14 days have transpired. there could have been more births in the fleet. I just came up with the difference from the two episodes--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:10, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== Humanoid Cylons recognize each other on sight ==

While back on New Craprica, Number 3 knew right away that it was Sharon Agathon. Of course, who else would be trying to remove the ship's launch keys?

This episode, we see that Athena knew on sight that this Number Eight was Boomer. Interesting.

Can Cylons tell on sight which of the copies they are? It's already established that the bulletheads can't.

Note in last weeks episode, Baltar was able to pick The D'anna number three out of the hallway on sight, even though there is an identically dressed number three in the same hallway. [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 16:50, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Those two instances do prove that they do recognize one another, which was hinted at in the "[[Cylon Agent]]" page. I guess now it's more than a hint. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:54, 16 December 2006 (CST)

The Eye of Jupiter

2006-12-16T22:00:33Z

Saforrest: /* Questions */

:''For the artifact contained within The Temple of Five see [[Eye of Jupiter]]''
{{Episode Data
| title= The Eye of Jupiter
| image=Season 3 - Promo - Eye of Jupiter - AndersHilliardBaroly.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 11
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= December 15, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,402
| note= '''Season 3 cliffhanger'''
| prev= [[The Passage]]
| next= [[Rapture]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''The crew of Galactica makes a stop at the barren Algae planet. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/the-eye-of-jupiter-1/episode/822638/summary.html |title=The Eye of Jupiter }}</ref>''

: [[The Temple of Five]] is discovered, leading to a standoff between the Cylons and the Colonials over the '''Eye of Jupiter'''. Also: the Cylons bring news about Sharon's baby. - ''TV Guide''

''Logline: The possible discovery of the Eye of Jupiter on the algae planet leads to a deadly stand-off, as the Cylons and humans risk all for a chance to find the way to Earth.

While working on the [[algae planet]], Tyrol (Aaron Douglas) discovers the Temple of Five, reputed to be the home of the [[Eye of Jupiter]], which will guide the ones who discover it to Earth. His report is intercepted by the Cylons, who request a meeting with Adama (Edward James Olmos) and Laura (Mary McDonnell). Their proposal: let us have the Eye and we will let you leave unharmed. Adama's counter-proposal: make any move to take the Eye and we'll nuke the planet.

The Cylons bring another piece of news: Sharon (Grace Park) and Helo's (Tahmoh Penikett) baby is alive, but not well. Sharon is initially skeptical, but when Adama confirms that Laura hid the baby at her school, she and Helo begin to make plans to rescue her.

As the standoff continues, tensions rise in both camps. On the Cylon baseship, D'Anna's (Lucy Lawless) sense that she and Baltar (James Callis) share a destiny that might not include the others sows dissension, while on the algae planet, efforts to protect the Eye are complicated by Lee's simmering affair with Kara (Katee Sackhoff), especially since Lee (Jamie Bamber) is counting on Anders (Michael Trucco), Kara's husband, to rally the civilians to the cause. Then the Cylons launch a flight of raiders, bound for the algae planet, forcing Adama to show he's not bluffing. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4|title=TV Guide Exclusive }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

== Questions ==
*Will Adama go through with his plan to nuke the planet?
*Did Starbuck survive the crash of her Raptor?
*What is the [[Eye of Jupiter]]?
*How much truth is there to Ander's claim of Kara's chronic infidelity ("You think you're the first?")?
*How will Athena and Helo knowing their child is still alive affect their relationship with Adama?
*How will Adama finding out Hera is still alive affect his relationship with Roslin?
*Is there a connection between the Temple of the Five and the five missing Cylon models?
*Who or what is "The One Whose Name Cannot Be [Told(?)]" whom the Five supposedly follow? Is this a reference to [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Jealous God|the Jealous God]]?
*What are the "sins" of the Five that the Hybrid speaks of?
*What consequences will Number Three's actions have within the Cylon society?
*What is the Fleet doing without the presence of ''Galactica''?
*Will there be further confrontations between the two "Sharon Valerii"-type [[Number Eight|Eight]] models, as seen in the passageway tirade between [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]]?
*Were the Cylons really willing to hand Baltar over to the Fleet?
*When did [[Boomer]] go over to the [[Cylon]]'s way of thinking? In this episode she clearly didn't seem to think of herself as human anymore like she did in ([[Downloaded]]).

== Analysis ==
*At least eighteen people perished as a result of navigating through the radiation field of the star cluster.
*This episode ends the debate whether [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] knew about [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]]'s secret plan to hide [[Hera]] ([[Downloaded]], [[Exodus, Part I]]) -- he did not know.
*[[Caprica-Six]] and [[D'Anna Biers|D'Anna]]'s dialogue indicates that they have been intimate with each other as well as with [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]].
*Coincidence (and destiny / predestination) seems to be a major theme with this episode: the humans & Cylons show up at the planet at the same time; the temple is discovered by Tyrol, son of a priest who revered this place; the planet is orbiting a star that will go nova within days; etc.

== Notes ==
*Writer [[Jane Espenson]] revealed that this episode was originally titled "Eye of [[Zeus]]."<ref name="espenson-2">{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/12/11/jane-espenson-on-post-the-passage-questions/|title=TV Squad: Jane Espenson on post-The Passage questions|date=11 November 2006|accessdate=11 November 2006|last=McDuffee|first=Keith|format=|language=English}}</ref>
*This episode, whose teaser clocks in at just over 11 minutes, has the longest teaser of any episode thus far, narrowly beating out that of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Baltar and Internal-Six discuss boarding the Galactica'':
::'''Six''': Feels like old times, doesn't it?
::'''Baltar''': Can't believe how much I actually missed this place.
::'''Six''': You know you can't return. They'd toss you out the nearest airlock and then throw a party.

*''Lee and Kara, discussing contingency plans:''
::'''Kara''': Can I make a suggestion you won't like?
::'''Lee''': Do you make any other kind?

*''The Hybrid, giving more obscure prophecy:''
::''Hybrid''': ''The five lights of the apocalypse rising, struggling towards the light... sins revealed only to those who enter the temple... only to the chosen one... the chosen one... the chosen one...
::''Three'': The Five await me. Gaius, I'm so close to knowing the truth!

== Official Statements ==

''[[Jane Espenson]] discusses the original name for "The Eye of Jupiter" and references to it in "[[The Passage]]:"''

: "When I wrote this episode, the upcoming episode was already well along, and it was called "Eye of [[Zeus]]." So all the dialogue in my episode reflected that. It got changed to Jupiter later, and I don't know why. It's always hard to get names to legally clear. All you need is one guy named Zeus who lives in [[w:North Hollywood|North Hollywood]] and [[w:Standards and Practices|Standards and Practices]] is all over you to change the name. (deadpan) That's probably what happened."<ref name="espenson-2"/>

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Eileen Pedde]] as Gunnery Seargant [[Mathias]]
*[[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[D'Anna Biers]] ([[Number Three]])
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

The Eye of Jupiter

2006-12-16T20:46:47Z

Saforrest: /* Questions */

:''For the artifact contained within The Temple of Five see [[Eye of Jupiter]]''
{{Episode Data
| title= The Eye of Jupiter
| image=Season 3 - Promo - Eye of Jupiter - AndersHilliardBaroly.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 11
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= December 15, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,402
| note= '''Season 3 cliffhanger'''
| prev= [[The Passage]]
| next= [[Rapture]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''The crew of Galactica makes a stop at the barren Algae planet. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/the-eye-of-jupiter-1/episode/822638/summary.html |title=The Eye of Jupiter }}</ref>''

: [[The Temple of Five]] is discovered, leading to a standoff between the Cylons and the Colonials over the '''Eye of Jupiter'''. Also: the Cylons bring news about Sharon's baby. - ''TV Guide''

''Logline: The possible discovery of the Eye of Jupiter on the algae planet leads to a deadly stand-off, as the Cylons and humans risk all for a chance to find the way to Earth.

While working on the [[algae planet]], Tyrol (Aaron Douglas) discovers the Temple of Five, reputed to be the home of the [[Eye of Jupiter]], which will guide the ones who discover it to Earth. His report is intercepted by the Cylons, who request a meeting with Adama (Edward James Olmos) and Laura (Mary McDonnell). Their proposal: let us have the Eye and we will let you leave unharmed. Adama's counter-proposal: make any move to take the Eye and we'll nuke the planet.

The Cylons bring another piece of news: Sharon (Grace Park) and Helo's (Tahmoh Penikett) baby is alive, but not well. Sharon is initially skeptical, but when Adama confirms that Laura hid the baby at her school, she and Helo begin to make plans to rescue her.

As the standoff continues, tensions rise in both camps. On the Cylon baseship, D'Anna's (Lucy Lawless) sense that she and Baltar (James Callis) share a destiny that might not include the others sows dissension, while on the algae planet, efforts to protect the Eye are complicated by Lee's simmering affair with Kara (Katee Sackhoff), especially since Lee (Jamie Bamber) is counting on Anders (Michael Trucco), Kara's husband, to rally the civilians to the cause. Then the Cylons launch a flight of raiders, bound for the algae planet, forcing Adama to show he's not bluffing. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4|title=TV Guide Exclusive }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

== Questions ==
*Will Adama go through with his plan to nuke the planet?
*Did Starbuck survive the crash of her Raptor?
*What is the [[Eye of Jupiter]]?
*How much truth is there to Ander's claim of Kara's chronic infidelity ("You think you're the first?")?
*How will Athena and Helo knowing their child is still alive affect their relationship with Adama?
*How will Adama finding out Hera is still alive affect his relationship with Roslin?
*Is there a connection between the Temple of the Five and the five missing Cylon models?
*Who or what is "The One Whose Name Cannot Be [Told(?)]" who the Five follow? Is this a reference to [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Jealous God|the Jealous God]]?
*What are the "sins" of the Five that the Hybrid speaks of?
*What consequences will Number Three's actions have within the Cylon society?
*What is the Fleet doing without the presence of ''Galactica''?
*Will there be further confrontations between the two "Sharon Valerii"-type [[Number Eight|Eight]] models, as seen in the passageway tirade between [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]]?
*Were the Cylons really willing to hand Baltar over to the Fleet?

== Analysis ==
*At least eighteen people perished as a result of navigating through the radiation field of the star cluster.
*This episode ends the debate whether [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] knew about [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]]'s secret plan to hide [[Hera]] ([[Downloaded]], [[Exodus, Part I]]) -- he did not know.
*[[Caprica-Six]] and [[D'Anna Biers|D'Anna]]'s dialogue indicates that they have been intimate with each other as well as with [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]].
*Coincidence (and destiny / predestination) seems to be a major theme with this episode: the humans & Cylons show up at the planet at the same time; the temple is discovered by Tyrol, son of a priest who revered this place; the planet is orbiting a star that will go nova within days; etc.

== Notes ==
*Writer [[Jane Espenson]] revealed that this episode was originally titled "Eye of [[Zeus]]."<ref name="espenson-2">{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/12/11/jane-espenson-on-post-the-passage-questions/|title=TV Squad: Jane Espenson on post-The Passage questions|date=11 November 2006|accessdate=11 November 2006|last=McDuffee|first=Keith|format=|language=English}}</ref>
*This episode, whose teaser clocks in at just over 11 minutes, has the longest teaser of any episode thus far, narrowly beating out that of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Baltar and Internal-Six discuss boarding the Galactica'':
::'''Six''': Feels like old times, doesn't it?
::'''Baltar''': Can't believe how much I actually missed this place.
::'''Six''': You know you can't return. They'd toss you out the nearest airlock and then throw a party.

*''Lee and Kara, discussing contingency plans:''
::'''Kara''': Can I make a suggestion you won't like?
::'''Lee''' Do you make any other kind?
:

*''The Hybrid, giving more obscure prophecy:''
::''Hybrid''': ''The five lights of the apocalypse rising, struggling towards the light... sins revealed only to those who enter the temple... only to the chosen one... the chosen one... the chosen one...
::''Three'': The Five await me. Gaius, I'm so close to knowing the truth!

== Official Statements ==

''[[Jane Espenson]] discusses the original name for "The Eye of Jupiter" and references to it in "[[The Passage]]:"''

: "When I wrote this episode, the upcoming episode was already well along, and it was called "Eye of [[Zeus]]." So all the dialogue in my episode reflected that. It got changed to Jupiter later, and I don't know why. It's always hard to get names to legally clear. All you need is one guy named Zeus who lives in [[w:North Hollywood|North Hollywood]] and [[w:Standards and Practices|Standards and Practices]] is all over you to change the name. (deadpan) That's probably what happened."<ref name="espenson-2"/>

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]
*[[Eileen Pedde]] as [[Mathias]]

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

The Eye of Jupiter

2006-12-16T20:36:15Z

Saforrest: add dialogue

:''For the artifact contained within The Temple of Five see [[Eye of Jupiter]]''
{{Episode Data
| title= The Eye of Jupiter
| image=Season 3 - Promo - Eye of Jupiter - AndersHilliardBaroly.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 11
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= December 15, 2006
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,402
| note= '''Season 3 cliffhanger'''
| prev= [[The Passage]]
| next= [[Rapture]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''The crew of Galactica makes a stop at the barren Algae planet. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/the-eye-of-jupiter-1/episode/822638/summary.html |title=The Eye of Jupiter }}</ref>''

: [[The Temple of Five]] is discovered, leading to a standoff between the Cylons and the Colonials over the '''Eye of Jupiter'''. Also: the Cylons bring news about Sharon's baby. - ''TV Guide''

''Logline: The possible discovery of the Eye of Jupiter on the algae planet leads to a deadly stand-off, as the Cylons and humans risk all for a chance to find the way to Earth.

While working on the [[algae planet]], Tyrol (Aaron Douglas) discovers the Temple of Five, reputed to be the home of the [[Eye of Jupiter]], which will guide the ones who discover it to Earth. His report is intercepted by the Cylons, who request a meeting with Adama (Edward James Olmos) and Laura (Mary McDonnell). Their proposal: let us have the Eye and we will let you leave unharmed. Adama's counter-proposal: make any move to take the Eye and we'll nuke the planet.

The Cylons bring another piece of news: Sharon (Grace Park) and Helo's (Tahmoh Penikett) baby is alive, but not well. Sharon is initially skeptical, but when Adama confirms that Laura hid the baby at her school, she and Helo begin to make plans to rescue her.

As the standoff continues, tensions rise in both camps. On the Cylon baseship, D'Anna's (Lucy Lawless) sense that she and Baltar (James Callis) share a destiny that might not include the others sows dissension, while on the algae planet, efforts to protect the Eye are complicated by Lee's simmering affair with Kara (Katee Sackhoff), especially since Lee (Jamie Bamber) is counting on Anders (Michael Trucco), Kara's husband, to rally the civilians to the cause. Then the Cylons launch a flight of raiders, bound for the algae planet, forcing Adama to show he's not bluffing. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4|title=TV Guide Exclusive }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

== Questions ==
*Will Adama go through with his plan to nuke the planet?
*Did Starbuck survive the crash of her Raptor?
*What is the [[Eye of Jupiter]]?
*How will Athena and Helo knowing their child is still alive affect their relationship with Adama?
*How will Adama finding out Hera is still alive affect his relationship with Roslin?
*Who or what is "The One Whose Name Cannot Be [Told(?)]"?
*What consequences will Number Three's actions have within the Cylon society?
*What is the Fleet doing without the presence of ''Galactica''?
*Will there be further confrontations between the two "Sharon Valerii"-type [[Number Eight|Eight]] models, as seen in the passageway tirade between [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]]?
*Were the Cylons really willing to hand Baltar over to the Fleet?

== Analysis ==
*At least eighteen people perished as a result of navigating through the radiation field of the star cluster.
*This episode ends the debate whether [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] knew about [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]]'s secret plan to hide [[Hera]] ([[Downloaded]], [[Exodus, Part I]]) -- he did not know.
*[[Caprica-Six]] and [[D'Anna Biers|D'Anna]]'s dialogue indicates that they have been intimate with each other as well as with [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]].
*Coincidence (and destiny / predestination) seems to be a major theme with this episode: the humans & Cylons show up at the planet at the same time; the temple is discovered by Tyrol, son of a priest who revered this place; the planet is orbiting a star that will go nova within days; etc.

== Notes ==
*Writer [[Jane Espenson]] revealed that this episode was originally titled "Eye of [[Zeus]]."<ref name="espenson-2">{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/12/11/jane-espenson-on-post-the-passage-questions/|title=TV Squad: Jane Espenson on post-The Passage questions|date=11 November 2006|accessdate=11 November 2006|last=McDuffee|first=Keith|format=|language=English}}</ref>
*This episode, whose teaser clocks in at just over 11 minutes, has the longest teaser of any episode thus far, narrowly beating out that of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Baltar and Internal-Six discuss boarding the Galactica'':
::'''Six''': Feels like old times, doesn't it?
::'''Baltar''': Can't believe how much I actually missed this place.
::'''Six''': You know you can't return. They'd toss you out the nearest airlock and then throw a party.

*''Lee and Kara, discussing contingency plans:''
::'''Kara''': Can I make a suggestion you won't like?
::'''Lee''' Do you make any other kind?
:

*''The Hybrid, giving more obscure prophecy:''
::''Hybrid''': ''The five lights of the apocalypse rising, struggling towards the light... sins revealed only to those who enter the temple... only to the chosen one... the chosen one... the chosen one...
::''Three'': The Five await me. Gaius, I'm so close to knowing the truth!

== Official Statements ==

''[[Jane Espenson]] discusses the original name for "The Eye of Jupiter" and references to it in "[[The Passage]]:"''

: "When I wrote this episode, the upcoming episode was already well along, and it was called "Eye of [[Zeus]]." So all the dialogue in my episode reflected that. It got changed to Jupiter later, and I don't know why. It's always hard to get names to legally clear. All you need is one guy named Zeus who lives in [[w:North Hollywood|North Hollywood]] and [[w:Standards and Practices|Standards and Practices]] is all over you to change the name. (deadpan) That's probably what happened."<ref name="espenson-2"/>

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Eye of Jupiter, The]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
[[Category:RDM]]

The Passage

2006-12-11T09:18:31Z

Saforrest: add conversation with hybrid, including "prophecy".

{{Episode Data
| title= The Passage
| image=Season 3 - Promo - The Passage - Kat.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 10
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
| writer= [[Jane Espenson]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Nankin]]
| production= 310
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-12-08
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,420
| prev= [[Unfinished Business]]
| next= [[The Eye of Jupiter]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''Starvation threatens the population after the food-processing systems become contaminated, but the Fleet is cut off from a food source by the intense radiation put out by a huge star cluster. ''Galactica'''s pilots must guide the civilian vessels on a dangerous journey directly through the radiation.''

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica]]'' ===
*[[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] flies a [[Raptor]] through a blinding, immensely bright gas cloud. The Raptor's outer skin is charring from the intense heat. Athena is managing to fight off the intense radiation buildup surrounding her, thanks to her [[Cylon agent|Cylon physiology]], but a radiation monitor badge she wears is changing color from white, spotting to an ominous black.
*Elsewhere in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], President [[Laura Roslin]] summarizes the contamination of the basic foodstuff material storage used to feed everyone, from soldier to civilian. The situation is dire; 7 to 10 days of rations remain. The Fleet is starving.
*A group of pilots, including [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]], [[Hot Dog]] and [[Louanne Katraine]], are combining what little food they have and sharing it, down to the last crumb.
*Admiral [[William Adama]] and his command staff await Athena's return from her reconnaisance mission to what they believe is a planet that has basic algae, which isn't extremely palatable but is protein-rich and will allow them to restock their food stores and survive. Athena is three hours late from return.
*Athena does make it back to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. While her radiation badge is black, her Cylon physiology protects her (although she is obviously uncomfortable). She reports success; the planet is teeming with algae.
*But the travel through the star cluster is extremely dangerous. Two [[FTL|jumps]] are required to reach the planet on the other side of the cluster, which cannot be circumnavigated. The navigation computers of any civilian ships inside the cluster would be inoperative due to insufficient shielding and the intense radiation leaves a ship only minutes to gather their bearings for the second jump out before they absorb a fatal dose of radiation. Any ship would also have to endure the intense heat as well.
*''Galactica'' alone cannot be used to ferry the people, and the civilian ships alone would not make the trip as they would get lost within the cluster cloud. There is too much algae for ''Galactica'' to bring the food to the people in time.
*The Adamas consider the use of the Raptors, whose navigation systems are radiation-hardened to protect against nuclear strikes, as pilot ships that will guide a group of civilian ships at a time by visual reckoning, relaying the proper jump coordinates once visual sighting is made to get the ships to the other side. Five jumps are needed, and skeleton crews are used on each civilian ship to limit the Fleet's possible losses, with the civilians temporarily transferred to ''Galactica'', which will survive the radiation effects thanks to the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar's]] dense hull plating ([[Miniseries]]).
*A group of civilians are bunked on ''Galactica'' from the civilian ships. One of them recognizes Kat, but calls out for her by another name: "Sasha." Kat reacts angrily to the man, [[Enzo]], and barely acknowledges his call before warning him to back off.
*The pilots are briefed on the plan, and each given radiation badges. When Major Adama encourages the use of [[stims]], Kat objects, warning that stims work by boosting the body's metabolism. In their starvation state, the stims would make them ill. Adama leaves the use of the drug to the pilot's discretion.
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] returns to the [[CIC]] and is greeted by a round of applause from the crew. He promptly reminds them that they have "jobs to do". He has presumably resumed his post as [[XO]] of ''Galactica''.
*The first outbound flight into the cluster begins. The ''[[Adriatic]]'' is lost when its Raptor guide, flown by [[Hot Dog]], cannot locate her.
*Successive trips continue, but another ship, the ''[[Carina]]'', guided by Kat, is lost as well, which greatly angers and saddens her. She stays in the cloud a few minutes too long during her extended search, and her radiation badge becomes dark.
*In the [[hangar deck]], Thrace notices Enzo interacting with Kat and gets suspicious. She later questions Enzo and later, Kat.
*Kat begs Thrace not to tell Admiral Adama about her past life as a drug runner and the fact that she acquired her name, "Louanne Katraine," from a child that died two days before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], using it to clear ''Galactica'''s pilot screening when she was a [[nugget]]. Thrace accepts her offer, warning her to embrace who she really is.
*Feeling backed into a corner, Kat is physically stressed. Her hair is falling out, a sign of radiation poisoning. Fearful of what will happen to her if Admiral Adama finds out, she chooses to continue her Raptor flights, swapping her radiation badge with [[Helo]]'s. She allows herself a sexual romp with Enzo before preparing for the last outbound flight.
*The last outbound trip is more destructive. Even ''Galactica'' cannot withstand the heat and begins to suffer heat-related decompression failures throughout its hull. Adama orders his son to wrap out visual sighting and perform the escape jump.
*Kat cannot find her last ship. Realizing she had already absorbed too much radiation, she elects to remain in the cloud to continue searching for her lost ship.
*''Galactica'' waits for several frightening minutes until both Kat's Raptor and the last civilian ship rejoin them.
*Kat is greeted by the command staff and many crewmembers to celebrate her accomplishment. The young pilot pumps her arms in the air and tries to remove her helmet before she collapses from radiation poisoning.
*In [[sickbay]], Kara Thrace talks to Kat, whose exposure to the cloud's radiation was too extreme. Thrace recants a part of her conversation with Kat and her origins, and tries unsuccessfully to leave Kat's bedside with a smile before leaving the dying pilot with a bottle of sleeping pills as a gesture of self-euthanization. Kat thanks her.
*Admiral Adama stands by Kat's bedside immediately after Thrace's departure. Kat attempts to confess her past, but Adama tells her that her past will not change the heroic thing she did for the Fleet. He gives her the status of [[CAG]] once more, a position she held from colonization of [[New Caprica]] to Major Adama's return to ''Galactica'', despite the fact that Kat will not survive to fly again.
*Adama stays at Kat's bedside, talking with her and how he would have loved to have had a third child, commenting that he, like his ex-wife, [[Caroline Adama|Caroline]], would have liked a daughter.
*Some time later, the pilots assemble in their [[Pilot ready rooms|ready room]] as Admiral Adama changes the pilot organization chart, placing Kat as the CAG.
*Kara Thrace enters ''Galactica'''s memorial hallway and tacks a photo of Kat on the board. She cries quietly as Lee Adama looks on from a distance.

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*Baltar notices that Number Three keeps going off somewhere and wonders what she is doing. Caprica-Six tells him that the other Cylons are also concerned about Three's activities.
*Baltar confronts Three about her unexplained absences and surmises that she has been dying and resurrecting over and over again.
*Baltar and Three discuss the final five Cylon agents, who are apparently the figures Three has been seeing between life and death. Baltar wonders aloud if he could be one of them, making him a hero to the Cylons instead of a traitor to the Colonials. Three tries to hold onto the memory of what they look like, but it always fades. Her drawings of them aren't very distinct.
*Baltar and Three visit the Hybrid's chamber. Against Three's advice, Baltar reaches out to touch the Hybrid and she grabs his hand. She says a number of cryptic things which Baltar pieces together as clues about a planet where the Eye of Jupiter can be found, as well as something related to the final five. Baltar states that he is convinced that everything the hybrid says has meaning.

== Questions ==
*Was the Fleet-wide failure of food-processing systems a result of sabotage? If so, were Cylons responsible, or someone else?
*Was assisted suicide an accepted practice in the Colonies, even if not by a practicing physician?
*Are there going to be radiation consequences for the pilots exposed to the conditions of the star cluster, especially those pilots who did in fact have a black indicator?
*How many pilots and crew were lost on the two civilian ships ''Adriatic'' and ''Carina''? Will their loss cause problems for the civilians that used to live on them?

== Analysis ==
*The ranking shuffle resumes in this episode: Tigh returns to the CIC as XO, sending Helo back to the flight lines as a senior flight officer (his rank of Captain seems unaffected). At the end of the episode, Kat is posthumously given honorary CAG status, although Apollo is still ''de facto'' CAG.
*Baltar calls the Number Three "D'Anna", to which she responds. This indicates a high likelyhood of her being the same copy that was on ''Galactica'' and making her one of a few Cylons that has a name instead of just being a model. However, it may simply indicate acceptance of Baltar's custom of referring to and addressing some models by their "human" names—in this same scene, Baltar refers to "the relevant Simon" and in prior episodes refers to "one of the Dorals"' views on toilet paper. This custom is shared with the other humans, such as Ellen Tigh who mentions "one of the Brother Cavils", and Adama, who refers to both the [[Ragnar Anchorage]] copy and the stowaway copy in "[[Flesh and Bone]]" as "Leoben Conoy".
*Number Three does not know what the final five Cylon agent models look like, at least not consciously.
*No anti-radiation injections were seen to be used by the pilots. Unless they administered offscreen this could either mean that the Fleet's supplies are used up, or that even the medication doesn't help against such intense levels of stellar radiation.
*While it has not been conclusively established that the five figures are in fact the "Final Five" Cylon agents, the first sketch of the alleged "Final Five" that Number Three shows Baltar depicts two male and three female figures. If this proves accurate then of the twelve Cylon models there are six males and six females.
* One of D'Anna's sketches in particular appears to depict the profile of a mustached and bearded male with long hair—a possible reference to Baltar; later in the episode after Baltar communes with the hybrid, D'Anna says "Could there be a connection between their gods and ours?" where "their" refers to the polytheistic human pantheon and "ours," the Cylon single god, a possible slip on her part indicating that she believes Baltar to be a Cylon.
*Baltar's grooming has declined steadily since the Fall of the Colonies. While no longer a messy drunk as he was on New Caprica, he has grown a scraggly and untrimmed beard.

== Notes ==
*This is one of the few times an Air Group organization chart is visible. The CAG (now Kat) is in the top slot; directly below her are (presumably) the squadron leaders (Apollo, Starbuck, Two Times, and a fourth whose name is never visible to the camera). Pilots and ECOs may be listed below their squadron leaders in descending order of seniority (both Helo and Hot Dog, for example, are listed directly beneath their squadron leader, Starbuck, and the two of them are definitely among the senior flight officers for ''Galactica'').
*A [[Straits of Madagon|perilous journey]] by the [[The Fleet (TOS)|"rag-tag" Fleet]] in the [[Original Series]], where pilots are also critical to the Fleet's safety, appears in its series premiere, "[[Saga of a Star World]]."
*"The Passage" was written by ''Galactica'' newcomer [[Jane Espenson]]. The episode arose when the show brought in Dr. [[Kevin Grazier]], a scientist from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, who talked about how one would navigate through space; how one would figure out how to get from one point in the to universe to, for example, Earth. Grazier's talk prompted the story at the heart of Espenson's episode.
*On the memorial wall Kat's picture is placed below the one of Riley's girlfriend she herself put there in "[[Scar]]".
*This episode marks the destruction of two civilian ships, the ''[[Adriatic]]'' and ''[[Carina]]''. This will likely result in more crowded conditions on the other ships in [[the Fleet]].
*This is the second episode in which dialog has been censored in the [[w:Sci Fi Channel (United States)|Sci Fi Channel]] broadcast. Starbuck sarcastically proclaims she gave Dr. Cottle "head" in response to Kat saying she gave him her protein bar.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Adama and Tigh discuss the food shortage''
::'''Adama:''' I hear they're still eating paper. Is that true?
::'''Tigh:''' No. Paper shortage.

*''Starbuck gives a last minute pep talk to the pilots''
::'''Starbuck:''' Remember, we're all flying solo on this mission. So that means there'll be nobody there to bitch slap you if you start to get tired or start seeing little toasters on your wing.

*''Baltar and Three confront the Hybrid'':
::'''Hybrid''': [Suddenly grabs Baltar's hand] Intelligence! A mind that burns like a fire!
::'''Baltar''': Yes, I'm here.
::'''Hybrid''': Find the hand that lies in the shadow of the light, in the eye of the husband of the eye of the cow.
::'''Baltar''': [Removes his hand from the Hybrid's tank.]
::'''Three''': You all right? It just speaks nonsense, doesn't it?
::'''Baltar''': I don't think anything it says is nonsense.

== Official Statements ==
'''In [[Ron Moore]]'s blog on [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ July 27th, 2006]:'''

:"We were pretty excited to have Jane too. I actually took Jane's first pitch way back in my early days at Star Trek and I had the pleasure of buying what turned out to be her first sale. I hadn't seen her since, but I'd followed her career from afar and was very proud to see her do so well. Turns out that Jane was a huge fan of Galactica and really wanted to do a script for us, so we jumped on the chance. I think we're all hoping that we could get her on staff at some point in the future, but we'll have to wait and see how everything shakes out for Season Four -- and whether she's even available, she's very much in demand these days. Her episode this year is "The Passage" (originally Ep 9) and deals with a harrowing voyage of the rag-tag fleet and focuses on Kat."

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Captain [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan "Hotdog" Constanza]]

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Talk:A Measure of Salvation/Archive 1

2006-11-13T08:50:12Z

Saforrest: /* Explanations */

==Picture?==
Is that picture from A Measure of Salvation? I don't remember Three and Six projecting themselves into a forest. The outfits they are wearing look like what they wore while torturing Baltar, so maybe it's from a deleted scene. Unless I've forgotten the scene for some reason, shouldn't we get a picture that actually came from the episode? -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 12:10, 11 November 2006 (CST)

== Some Poor Writing ==

Attention to detail is what has set BSG apart from so many other science-fiction shows - including Mr. Moore's Star Trek franchises. So I was very disappointed last night to see the sloppy errors piling up deep. I'd have to see the epsiode again to list them all, but mainly them problems concerned the virus.

The scene where potentially infected Galactica crew are "quarantined", together with Sharon, in a room with cold-storage plastic flaps was ridiculous.

It's preposterous to think that a cylon would casually betray his race for the anti-viral drug. He has no assurance that he won't be double-crossed, and he certainly - even after torture - wouldn't spell out the danger the virus poses to the cylon fleet. The audience isn't stupid and neither should the Galctica crew be. Seeing Lee with a dim little lightbulb over his head was just insulting to us all.

Past episodes have cleary shown that cylon ressurection occurs over significant distances, (greater than FTL jumps), and that calls into question the fundemental logistics of Adama's infection plan.

There would be no reason to jump Galactica itself, just sending one raptor with a cylon transponder and one infected cylon would have done the trick. (Nevermind the ease with which two cylon raiders almost instantly materialize into a whole cylon fleet with a resurrectionship conveniently in tow.)

The analysis on the episode summary page provides an excellent plot device allowing the raid to "succeed" thus justifying the major build-up of the two part story. In fact, it would have made a superb three part arc.

Hypothetical episode 3: Spend some realistic period of time finding a reasonably sized cylon fleet, infect them, virus begins spreading throughout area covered by the "local" resurrection ship. Cylons scramble to head off disease, Baltar gains points by developing Hera vaccine, cylons survive but with major "body-blow" giving Galactica and fleet some breathing room as they prepare to investigate the new lead to Earth.

Please don't get me wrong, I love this show, but sci-fi writing has always been done on the cheap and it make my eyes roll as I struggle to care about characters forced through non-sensical plot contortions. Please, Mr. Moore, DON'T LET BSG SINK TO THE SAME SAD FATE! I'm trusting that this was just a hiccup not a trend.

--[[User:IanB|IanB]] 13:08, 11 November 2006 (CST)

:In defense of the writers, I think you are wrong on two points:
:*Jumping Galactica makes sense. In [[Scar]] Cylon Raiders are engaging in skirmishes despite the absence of a resurrection ship. A Raptor is not a big enough threat to guarantee the presence of a resurrection ship. If one isn't in range by accident the Cylons would probably engage the Raptor without it and take a minor risk of permanently loosing a few raiders. And after [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]] the Cylons could be exspected to take a closer look to any unexpected Raptors with a Cylon transponder showing up. If they destroy it without a resurrection ship in range, the plans failed. Also Racetrack stated last episode that there is a shortage of Raptors in the fleet, noone is going to be eager to sacrifice one. Jumping Galactica ensures the Cylon require lots of forces, expect lot's of casualties and have a resurrection ship nearby, though I could have done without seeing it arrive on the battlefield, that's bad and inconsistent strategy, just to make sure the audience knows that it is in range.

:*There is probably a greater timespan between arrival of the patrol and that of the strikeforce then shown onscreen. Helo manipulates the oxygen-system after the jump, nevertheless the prisoners are already dead by the time the resurrection ship appears, indicating a least a few minutes have passed. The process can be seen in [[Flight of the Phoenix]] in the firing range scene (it's likely that Helo manipulated the same system).

:Two more plotholes I noticed: How do the Colonials know the Cylon supply lines? And given that they know Athena is immune because she's given birth to a hybrid child, they should wonder if there a more human-cylon hybrids. Even without knowing that Hera is still alive, if the massive Cylon effort to create hybrids resulted in creating at least one more hybrid the cylons would take a blow, but would not be exstinct. By the way it would be nice if we would hear something about these efforts. When Hera is shown for the first time in Cylon hands would be a good opportunity to close that chapter with a throwaway line that all these efforts were fruitless and stopped. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 11:24, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:: That's an interesting question -- one that I had myself, actually. Even if the effort didn't destroy the Cylon race (and I think that goal is overly optimistic), the virus would have given a serious blow to the Cylons, which would only serve to give the survivors more breathing room -- not to metion the increase in general morale, which the survivors seriously need after the farce at New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

I would have to agree the writing is poor. The series seems to be drifting from its roots and moving into the Hollywood PC political statement world. This season has already thrown in suicide bombing and implied it was acceptable, now there is a drift into making political statements about biological weapons (even though nuclear weapons have been freely used in the past.) It seems the writers are abandoning their science fiction roots and reaching to make their own personal social or political commentary. I do hope they get back to what I considered truly exceptional science fiction and stop these editorials.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 00:06, 12 November 2006 (CST)

Followup: According to and article on the Gateworld site ([http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2006/10/season_three_ratings_slip_from_premiere.shtml]) the ratings have been slipping. As much as I truly love this show, I know my wife and I were both rather disgusted with the previous inclusion of the suicide bombers and now the “loss of humanity” references associated with the potential use of biological weapons. I have also heard complaints from two of our friends. I’m concerned that if this direction is continued it will not only ruin the show, it will also drive away viewers resulting in cancelation. As a long time science fiction fan (I even remember watching the original showings of Lost in Space and the first Star Trek) this has been my all time favorite show up until now. I would hate to see it have an early demise. As I mentioned above, I hope the writers can return to science fiction and entertainment.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 16:13, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:: Ratings have been slipping for ''SG-1'' and ''Atlantis'' as well; neither have the strong allegories to today's world, or the world of yesteryear for that matter. So I don't fully buy that there's a direct correlation between the creative direction BSG is going and the loss in viewership. Actually, one could probably argue (more successfully in my informed opinion) that the loss of ratings has more to do with Sci-Fi's scheduling decisions of breaking up the "Three Amigos" (''Stargate SG-1'', ''Stargate Atlantis'' and ''Battlestar Galactica''). As for the "loss of humanity" and suicide bombing themes, these have existed since the miniseries (Number Five's suicide bombing attempt in "[[Litmus]]" and Adama's speech in the miniseries and platitudes since then). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

::: In my very informed opinion, I would have to disagree on several points. While time slots and lineup can affect ratings, this usually is reflected in those of the shows with the weaker individual draw. Galactica is a cornerstone show which should draw up the ratings for those around it rather than have such a slump from a lineup change.

::: As for the previous Friday lineup, SG-1 ratings have steadily declined since the departure of Richard Dean Anderson. His departure also seemed to coincide with decline in the quality of the writing, though I’m not convinced the two were related rather than just coincidental. I have always believed the SG Atlantis was the weak link in that lineup and was carried by its position between SG-1 and BSG. As mentioned in the article I referenced above, Dr. Who, which leads into BSG, has had poor ratings this season. I believe the replacement of the very likable actor playing the title role, though consistent with the original BBC series, was a detriment to this series. In addition, this season’s writing has seemed less creative and entertaining. I greatly enjoyed their first season, but have found the current one to be rather dull and uninteresting. This certainly doesn’t help with the Galactica ratings, but I don’t believe it is the major factor in the decline.

::: The introduction of controversial topics into plot lines is often risky, particularly with science fiction which is typically considered pure escapism, even when it has a dark element like BSG (i.e.: The potential extermination of the human race and the continued threat from the Cylon.) Generally, Sci-Fi fans want to escape the real world and be entertained, not lectured on the writers’ political or social views of modern events. While any controversial topic is a risk, the introduction of those that are currently so polarizing is almost a guarantee of distancing a significant portion of your fan base.

::: You associated the bombing executed by a Cylon against those carried out by human suicide bombers. The two aren’t even remotely comparable. The first was not executed by a human, was not condoned by the humans, and was executed by an individual who (as already had been established) would be reborn (“downloaded”) into a new body, but as the same individual. The later was not only condoned by members of the upper human leadership, it was presented as a reasonable and acceptable approach in a given situation – a strong statement considering current world events. (As someone who’s nephew’s squad was attacked by the first suicide bomber in the gulf war, killing many of his squad just a few yards in front of him, I will freely admit to strong personal feelings in this matter. None the less, such controversial plot elements are invariably going to strongly offend a significant number of viewers.) The inference that the humans must limit their use of weapons against an enemy bent on the genocide of humanity is another PC component. Biological weapons as a plot element would have been better completely left out rather than used as a mechanism for additional political commentary. Remember, people watch for entertainment, not a reminder of current events or a thinly disguised lecture from Hollywood writers on their political and social opinions.

::: It is also rather telling that the ratings dropped rather significantly after the season 3 premiere (where suicide bombings by humans were introduced and condoned.) I’ll be interested in seeing how the ratings are affected after this latest one sided (read: “PC”) foray into contemporary controversial issues.

::: --[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 20:40, 12 November 2006 (CST)

::::I doubt that the suicide bombings in Occupation and Precipice were "condoned" by the show. Roslin didn't like them. Tigh, who planned them, thought they were bad. Even Baltar (who's been developing a conscience this season, thank the Gods) didn't like them. The first was a waste of life and counterproductive, causing a massive Cylon freakout that would have killed off Roslin, Zarek, Cally and a bunch of other people if the resistance hadn't saved them in the last minute. The second took down the power grid, which was more helpful, but it should be noted that in this case the bomber didn't kill any civilians, just herself and some Cylons. Tigh is still suffering because of the choices he made on New Caprica, and it doesn't look like he's coming out of those moral woods anytime soon.

::::Furthermore, I don't think the show has condemned the use of the Cylon virus, either. Roslin was all about it, after all, and I don't think there's anything less PC than a schoolteacher with a Messiah complex jonesing for some genocide. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 22:33, 12 November 2006 (CST)

== Explanations ==

A note about the Resurection ship jumping into the battle... it would seem that this is actually a good tactical move from the Cylon perspective. After Pegasus and Galactica easily destroyed the first resurrection ship and it's escorts, it would be prudent for the Cylons to keep the new ship with their fleet... even if this means taking it into battle with them. From their point of view it might look as if Galactica was trying to sucker the baseships away from the resurrection ship so the colonials could attack it. They've already used the "sucker" strategy a number of times, we could just be seeing a Cylon reaction to that strategy. Bringing the ship with them would negate such a threat as several basestars (more than enough to hold galactica off) would be able to cover for it.

As far as supply lines, it would figure that Galactica would know about this. Basic military strategy is to harass or at least keep an eye on enemy supply lines.

Also a note about the raptors and their missiles. The colonials may have found, after the battle over new caprica, that the missile attachments for the raptors were effective and could be adapted for other (combat) uses as well. It would also figure that after the loss of Pegasus, the colonials would be trying everything they could to increase firepower. This is probably just a jury-rig solution for increasing galactica's firepower.

== About Gaeta ==
Looking at the question here:

: Why is Gaeta so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?

Er, well, the last time Gaeta saw Baltar, he gave him a gun and told him his last chance at redemption was to stop Three from setting off the nuke. Given that the nuke didn't go off, it isn't unreasonable to believe Baltar was successful, and that in succeeding he would have either died or been stranded on New Caprica. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 02:50, 13 November 2006 (CST)

DDG-62

2006-10-06T03:51:38Z

Saforrest:

[[Image:DDG-62_1.jpg|thumb|right|Designer Peter Laird admiring the DDG-62s mounted on the [[Blackbird]].]]

The '''DDG-62''' is a model of sublight engine, outdated by the time the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] had occured. The engines are apparently meant for small, one-man craft, and provide ample acceleration that seems to match that of a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper Mark II]].

During the construction of the [[Blackbird]], a prototype craft devised by [[Galen Tyrol]] and constructed by crew of [[battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Saul Tigh]] offered Tyrol a pair of these engines that were taking up space in the ''[[Baah Pakal]]'''s cargo hold. ([[Flight of the Phoenix]])

The engines were designed by aeronautical engineer [[Peter Laird]], who said that they were mostly phased out of use 10 years ago. ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])

==Notes==
[[Image:DDG62 ResShipPI.JPG|thumb|left|DDG-62s deactivated for low-observibility ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).]]
DDG-62 is also the real-word designation of the US Navy Arleigh Burke class destroyer [http://www.fitzgerald.navy.mil/ USS Fitzgerald]. DDG is the Navy hull classification for a guided missile destroyer.

The engines' name is an homage to that very ship. The show's science advisor Kevin R. Grazier organized a tour of the vessel for the writing staff. Ultimately only [[Bradley Thompson]] and his wife attended, but he later included the reference into the episodes.
Source: [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/article.php?Article=3429 BSG Tech Blog #6]
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Jackson Spencer

2006-10-06T03:36:21Z

Saforrest: sp

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The [[CAG]] aboard battlestar ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' just before her scheduled decommissioning and conversion into a [[Galactica Museum|museum]], '''Jackson "Ripper" Spencer''' is a liked and respected officer who mixes easily with his pilots. Off-duty he enjoys joining his pilots in a card game, while on-duty he takes his work very seriously and treats his pilots with a firm but fair hand.

During the decommissioning ceremonies for ''Galactica'', Spencer plays second fiddle to Captain [[Lee Adama]], allowing the younger man to fly the newly-restored [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] Mark II [[Viper 7242|N7242C]] - the vehicle flown by one Lieutenant [[William Adama]] during the [[Cylon War]], to honor ''Galactica's'' outgoing Commander and Lee Adama's father.

Following the decommissioning ceremony, Spencer leads his squadron - the last fully-operational squadron on ''Galactica'' - to [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]], presumably for later redeployment in the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]. While en route, the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] launch their surprise attack on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].

Alerted to the attack by ''Galactica'', Spencer locates two Cylon [[Raider]] fighters and, after ordering the accompanying [[Raptor]] reconnaissance vehicle away from the combat zone, orders his squadron to [[weapons free]] to intercept and destroy the Raiders. However, as the targets approach, all Vipers in Spencer's squadron suffer simultaneous failures in their flight control, communications and weapons systems as the Cylons infiltrate their ship computer using the backdoor programming of the [[Command Navigation Program]].

Unable to maneuver or fire, the entire squadron is quickly destroyed by the two Raiders, with Spencer among the first to be killed.

With his death, Spencer is replaced by Captain [[Lee Adama]] as ''Galactica's'' [[Commander Air Group|CAG]].

=== Notes ===
In their DVD commentary of the Miniseries, producers [[Ron Moore]], [[David Eick]] and director [[Michael Rymer]] noted they were very impressed with actor John Mann's proformance as Maj. Spencer. They were disappointed in killing off his character, jokingly wishing to bring him back as his character's "twin brother" because they enjoyed working with him so much.

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Croft

2006-04-09T15:36:20Z

Saforrest:

[[Image:croft.jpg|thumb|Croft in ''Gun on Ice Planet Zero'']]
'''Commander Croft''' is an honorable man who has been through rough situations that have put him at odds with that which he served. Before being court-martialed by the Colonial Military, he served as commander of an ice garrison on Kalpa, having the advanced skills of a demolition and mountaineering expert. He was married to [[Leda]], who apparently had a love/hate relationship with him; this, according to her, "invites trouble".

He was sentenced to the [[Prison Barge (TOS)|Prison Barge]], apparently before it joined the Fleet, for not handing over the spoils of a [[Cylons (TOS)|Cylon]]-held platinum mine within his sphere of influence. He is selected from [[Galactica (TOS)|<i>Galactica</i>'s]] mainframe for a mission on ice planet [[Arcta]] to destroy the deadly [[Ravishol Pulsar]]. In return, [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] promises a pardon of all crimes committed before their acceptance of the mission.

During the climb to the mountain's top, where a vent to the pulsar was located, he saves the life of [[Apollo (TOS)|Captain Apollo]] from the scheming [[Wolfe]] and makes sure that the mission is successful. This is in spite of harsh and biting comments from Leda, who asks how he could help the very people that imprisoned him. To Croft, despite his wrong, he is willing to sacrifice his life as he cannot bear to kill his own, unlike Wolfe.

Although their mission is a success, it costs the life of his wife, Leda, who saves him from the armed Command Centurion [[Vulpa]] ([[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part II (TOS)|The Gun on Ice Planet Zero]]). His future whereabouts are unmentioned for the remainder of the series.

Portrayed by [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Roy+Thinnes Roy Thinnes]

== Notes ==

Fans tend to refer to Croft as a colonel, as opposed to a commander (as the [[Gun on Ice Planet Zero]] script indicates). However, speaking of circumstances from this episode, it seems he acts more of a colonel rather than a commander (at least of Adama's, [[Cain (TOS)|Cain]]'s or [[Kronus]]' statures). Indeed, he might very well be a colonel in the equivalent of the Colonial navy, thus the commander is probably just a Colonial Warrior's ranking.

A scene was filmed that includes Croft being referred to by the rank of colonel. It is included on the Complete Series DVD.

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Leda

2006-04-09T15:35:57Z

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[[Image:Leda.jpg|thumb|Leda during the scuffle on the shuttle.]]
'''Leda''' is the medtech wife of [[Croft|Commander Croft]], whom she is not fond of. She holds special expertise in the treating of laser wounds, and holds to a medical oath that she will not abandon, despite her apparent dislike for Colonial [[Warriors]]. She is originally a part of [[Wolfe]]'s and [[Thane]]'s escape plans, however after Thane dies and Wolfe runs off to his death in a blizzard, she abandons her plans to escape and finishes the mission. Ironically, she dies by saving her husband from being shot by [[Vulpa]] ([[Gun on Ice Planet Zero]]).

Portrayed by [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Christine+Belford Christine Belford]

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