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		<title>A Measure of Salvation</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Ryan H: /* Analysis */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Episode Data&lt;br /&gt;
| title= A Measure of Salvation&lt;br /&gt;
| image= Amos.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| season= 3&lt;br /&gt;
| episode= 7&lt;br /&gt;
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]&lt;br /&gt;
| writer= [[Michael Angeli]]&lt;br /&gt;
| story= &lt;br /&gt;
| director= [[Bill Eagles]]&lt;br /&gt;
| production= 307&lt;br /&gt;
| rating=&lt;br /&gt;
| US airdate= November 10, 2006&lt;br /&gt;
| UK airdate=&lt;br /&gt;
| dvd=&lt;br /&gt;
| population= 41,420&lt;br /&gt;
| prev= [[Torn]]&lt;br /&gt;
| next= [[Hero]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Overview ==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;[[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] are dispatched to interrogate the dying [[Cylons]] on board the infected baseship, and learns how [[Baltar]] is helping their adversaries; the virus inspires [[Lee]] to come up with a new strategy.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Summary ==&lt;br /&gt;
=== On &#039;&#039;[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]&#039;&#039; ===&lt;br /&gt;
*A boarding party comprising of [[Raptor]]s and [[Viper Mark VII|Vipers]] investigate the derelict [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]].&lt;br /&gt;
*Aboard the derelict, [[marines]] explore the corridors, finding the [[Cylon agent|Cylons]] dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar&#039;s [[Hybrid]], but is unsuccessful.&lt;br /&gt;
*Some &amp;quot;skinjobs&amp;quot; around the control center revive and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as &amp;quot;traitor.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; when the basestar self-destructs.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; quarantines the boarding party and prisoners while Dr. [[Cottle]] finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn&#039;t been done. [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.&lt;br /&gt;
*Dr. Cottle&#039;s investigation identifies [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|a virus]] that can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]], [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], Lee Adama, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] would infect the others. He also mentions that [[Gaius Baltar]] provided the information on the path to [[Earth]].&lt;br /&gt;
*Aboard &#039;&#039;[[Colonial One]]&#039;&#039;, Lee Adama suggests a plan to eliminate the entire Cylon race by executing their prisoners in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]], where the downloaded consciousnesses would infect the remaining Cylons, because according to [[Simon]] the virus carries a bioelectric feedback component that could spread it even through the download process. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide.&lt;br /&gt;
*Aboard &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039;, Athena finds she&#039;s immune because of antibodies generated within her body by carrying her daughter, [[Hera]]. Helo tells her of the Fleet&#039;s plan, and Athena understands.&lt;br /&gt;
*Admiral Adama shows slight dissent about the plan, indicating regulations that forbid him to proceed without presidential order. Despite the ethical ramifications, the President authorizes the biological attack.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; jumps to a Cylon supply line, and launches Vipers and Raptors to attract the Cylon fleet. In the midst of this, Helo initiates a plan to thwart the execution, unplugging what looks like a standard power connector from an environmental control box.&lt;br /&gt;
*The Cylons jump into the area, with Resurrection Ship in tow. Adama orders the execution of the prisoners.&lt;br /&gt;
*Lee Adama leads a team to execute the prisoners, but finds that all the prisoners have been killed prior to the Resurrection Ship arriving. Adama orders a recall, and &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; escapes without sustaining any major damage.&lt;br /&gt;
*Helo converses with Athena about his actions. He maintains that what he did was right, regardless of the consequences.&lt;br /&gt;
*Aboard &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039;, Adama reports that the prisoners were suffocated due to a failure in the environmental controls. Roslin is quick to point out one or two might be responsible, but Adama closes the issue. Subsequently, the virus was most likely an accidental exposure, similar to one reported 3000 years ago. Adama points out that they&#039;re on the right track to Earth, but Roslin notes that the Cylons are on the right track as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon.  Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica.  Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.&lt;br /&gt;
*In his &amp;quot;projection&amp;quot;, his mental Six tells him to relax.  Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.&lt;br /&gt;
*Baltar&#039;s torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus.  In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six.  Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Questions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* If [[Adama]] had brought the beacon aboard, what kind of information would it have given them about the location of Earth?&lt;br /&gt;
* Will [[Caprica-Six]] continue to stand by and permit Baltar&#039;s mistreatment at their hands?&lt;br /&gt;
* Where is Caprica-Six&#039;s own internal Baltar in all of this?&lt;br /&gt;
* Of the Cylons, which type told the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[Cylon agent]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it have been [[Athena]]?&lt;br /&gt;
* What kind of new start are the [[Cylon]]s planning for [[Earth]]?  Just a new home planet, an attempt at human Cylon relations not tainted by the destruction of the Twelve Colonies, or something else?&lt;br /&gt;
* Why did an entire Cylon fleet (including a [[Resurrection Ship]]) jump to the encounter with &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039;? Why was the [[Resurrection Ship]] not left behind somewhere else, as it was done in previous battles?&lt;br /&gt;
* Is D&#039;anna in love with Baltar?&lt;br /&gt;
* Why is [[Gaeta]] so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D&#039;Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?&lt;br /&gt;
* Why does [[Simon]] so quickly claim science can not provide a solution to the infection?&lt;br /&gt;
* Why wasn&#039;t the execution squad in place and waiting with the prisoners so the plan could have been implemented in a timely manner?&lt;br /&gt;
* Since the plan was to execute the prisoners then jump away, why wasn&#039;t the jump drive already spun up and ready?&lt;br /&gt;
* The environmental controls seem to have been circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] pulling a single plug. In a combat ship aren&#039;t there cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions?&lt;br /&gt;
* In his discussion with [[Laura Roslin]] at the end of the episode, [[Admiral Adama]] is aware that sabotage was involved in the death of the Cylon prisoners, yet he states there will be no investigation. While he might be relieved that the plan wasn&#039;t carried out, wouldn&#039;t he be seriously concerned and want to aggressively pursue this matter?&lt;br /&gt;
*Why was Sharon Agathon kept in quarantine after Cottle determined that humans were immune? Whether infected or not, she couldn&#039;t have transmitted the disease to anyone else, other than Cylon agents that may still be in the fleet.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him &amp;quot;D&#039;anna&amp;quot;.  Is she, or at least does Baltar believe she is, the same number 3 that was previously masquerading in the fleet as a reporter?&lt;br /&gt;
*Has Starbuck regained full flight status, because she tried to pull her life together at the end of &amp;quot;[[Torn]]&amp;quot;, or does she participate in the battle due to a pressing need for pilots?&lt;br /&gt;
*Will there be any consequences of the sabotage for Helo and Athena from other crewmembers who may figure they are behind said sabotage? How will this affect Helo&#039;s reputation as a Cylon-lover or his credibility as XO.&lt;br /&gt;
*Since the Cylon prisoners died after the jump, did they download and spread the infection despite Helo&#039;s sabotage?  Raiders generally operate within range of a Resurrection Ship and Galactica encountered two raiders immediately after the jump.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Analysis ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if &#039;&#039;Galactica&#039;&#039; had succeeded in infecting them. It was quickly noted in the episode that Sharon was immune herself because fetal cells from [[Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.&lt;br /&gt;
**It can be assumed that executing the captured Cylons will send them back to the Resurrection ship, thus infecting the Cylon network. However, the Human-Cylon hybrid has no extra copies on the Resurrection ship to transfer into, thus the antibodes will not be spread into the Cylon Network.&lt;br /&gt;
*The wider implications of such an event could have been religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explinations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.&lt;br /&gt;
**The presence of Hera is profound enough to the Cylons, which could be preventing them from seeing that Hera could be used as a tool.&lt;br /&gt;
*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] develops:  Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic.  The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in &amp;quot;[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
**Apollo&#039;s plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat; he could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another.&lt;br /&gt;
**Also, by infecting a greater mass of ships, Galactica could board the ships, take much needed resources and more infected Cylons for further use as biological weapons. &lt;br /&gt;
*The science of the virus is somewhat questionable. While the biological aspect is sound, the existence of a &amp;quot;bioelectrical feedback component&amp;quot; appears to be technobabble. It would be impossible for a biological virus (i.e. a physical pathogen) to be transmitted by download to the Resurrection Ship. Such a feedback - scrambling the brainwave patterns - could disturb the download process, but it is unclear how it could spread the virus itself on the other side.&lt;br /&gt;
**From Dr. Cottle&#039;s dialogue, it would appear that the problem lies with how the Cylon&#039;s immune systems react with the virus, more than the virus itself.  If this is the case it is likely that the immune system&#039;s reaction would carry though the download and possibly pass to other Cylons through the network.  Or this could all be reading too much into a simple plot device.&lt;br /&gt;
*Adama&#039;s reaction to the premature death of the prisoners is yet another example of what are simultaneously his greatest virtues and most glaring flaws - his dedication to those under his command, and his need to keep his conscience clear. &lt;br /&gt;
*In this episode, [[Raptors]] are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[Miniseries]], [[The Hand of God]]), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ([[Kobol&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part II]], [[Fragged]]), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in &amp;quot;Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I|I]] &amp;amp; [[Exodus, Part II|II]]&amp;quot; and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.&lt;br /&gt;
*The genetic pool the Cylons were created from predates the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old.  This indicates another, non-Colonial, source for the DNA.&lt;br /&gt;
*The genetic pool need not be so old. Because humans had been completely immune to this virus for hundreds of years, the Cylons may have simply overlooked it while creating their humanoid models.&lt;br /&gt;
*It seems this virus could also be a fairly reliable (although not conclusive) litmus test to for Cylons in the Colonial Fleet.&lt;br /&gt;
*Dr. Cottle explains that Cylons carry antibodies that break down the RNA of his proposed vaccine. However antibodies have no degradative functionality, and indeed only prime recognised pathogens for phagocytosis. Also as vaccines are developed from the pathonogenic organism (or a close relative) it would be impossible for Cylon&#039;s to carry antibodies specific for the vaccine RNA (or for the products it encodes) or otherwise they would be immune to the pathonogenic virus itself.&lt;br /&gt;
*It seems reasonable to assume that if Baltar is not infected with the virus, he is not a Cylon, likewise for all members of the Galactica crew that boarded the Base Ship.&lt;br /&gt;
**Baltar was in an isolation suit the entire time he was on the basestar.  Using standard biohazard procedures, he would have remained in the suit which would have been disinfected from the outside before he took it off.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Notes == &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Survivor count|Fleet population]] is 41,420. Barring any births, there is an unaccounted loss of at least two since &amp;quot;[[Torn]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[wikipedia:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]].  Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium.  When the camera was recovered by Apollo 12 astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.&lt;br /&gt;
*This is the first episode in which [[Saul Tigh]] has not appeared, more than likely due to his promise to William Adama at the end of &amp;quot;Torn&amp;quot; after Adama&#039;s confrontation with both Tigh and Kara Thrace. Currently, the only characters to have appeared in every episode are [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]].&lt;br /&gt;
*Helo has been promoted to the rank of Captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.&lt;br /&gt;
*Starbuck appears to have returned to flight status following her decision to pull herself together at the end of &amp;quot;[[Torn]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]], however [[w:encephalitis|encephalitis]] is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself.  More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus|Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus]].&lt;br /&gt;
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Official Statements == &lt;br /&gt;
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== Guest Stars ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl &amp;quot;Helo&amp;quot; Agathon]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lt. [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan &amp;quot;Hot Dog&amp;quot; Constanza]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret &amp;quot;Racetrack&amp;quot; Edmondson]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as Sgt. [[Mathias]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[imdb:nm0461101|Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)&lt;br /&gt;
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== References ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Episodes written by Michael Angeli]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:RDM]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Ryan H</name></author>
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		<title>Talk:Torn/Archive2</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Ryan H: /* Helo as XO */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Summary Split?==&lt;br /&gt;
We&#039;ve taken to splitting the episode summaries between the Fleet and Baltar. Am I alone in thinking this isn&#039;t the best method? I&#039;d prefer the summary going through the events of the episode chronologically. Especially now that the two storylines are beginning to converge. It was fine in Collaborators, where the two threads didn&#039;t effect each other. But now, someone reading the summary encounters a mention of the dead basestar at the end of the Galactica summary before getting to any of the details in the Cylon summary. -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 00:00, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally I think it&#039;s fine. It depends on how much interaction there is between the two story lines in the next episode. If they signicantly interact, then this summary may require change, but for now I think it&#039;s ok.--[[User:Cohnee|Cohnee]] 06:14, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, we&#039;ve been describing each story line separately since &amp;quot;[[33]]&amp;quot;. It really makes the story lines easier to keep track of for both the viewer and the editors. However, if there&#039;s a better way, I would be interested in a discussion of it. What method or methods would you suggest? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 08:18, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think it&#039;s a fine format in most cases. It certainly worked for Collaborators, and it worked well for the Helo arc of Season One. However, in those instances, the main plot and the sides-story didn&#039;t interact, so knowing how the Galactica side of the episode pans out before you read what happened to Helo, it isn&#039;t a problem. But here we have the Galactica storyline ending with something that was explained in the Cylon storyline. I guess I&#039;m just concerned that some reading it without having seen the episode would be very confused. Something as simple as putting the Cylon half of the summary first I think would clear up any potential confusion, especially considering that nothing in the Galactica story effects the Cylon story. -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:56, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Promotional pictures ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Look at these pictures:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000kthzq/g248&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000kw117/g248&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Where do they come from? I don&#039;t remember such scene in &amp;quot;Torn&amp;quot;... -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 01:51, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:P.s. All promo images are also on the wiki. As for those images, when I was uploading new promo images tonight, I noticed those, and I was like... &amp;quot;I never saw them.&amp;quot;. if they show up in another episode, I will recategorize them in the media wiki. [[User:Shane|Shane]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:53, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:They may have come from a deleted scene as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 08:07, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::They might have been moved to the next episode &amp;quot;A Measure of Salvation&amp;quot; --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:13, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Can anyone identify the patch on Baltar&#039;s flight suit? It looks like it has a picture of an old style Raider on it. http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/pic/000ksya5/g248 -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:59, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That&#039;s the [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/albums/s1waterpromos/normal_BSG04EP_7727CS.JPG standard Raptor patch]. That&#039;s the Raptor squadron that Sharon belongs to. We maybe ought to crop some of the patches off uniforms and have a patches and insignias section of the uniforms page. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:06, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Hmm. Odd I never noticed that before. Seen like something I would&#039;ve seen before. I thought maybe it was squandron, like Primus or The Vigilantes. An article on patches would be interesting. -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 12:24, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Questions? ==&lt;br /&gt;
I have no idea how to phrase it or if i remember correctly, but didn&#039;t Sharon (athena) start talking incoherently when they jump to the Lions Head? Is she infected? We don&#039;t see them jump back... [[User:Puneypunk|Puneypunk]] 06:26, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:No. She wasn&#039;t infected. She was shocked at what she saw and quoted scripture. She said &amp;quot;When god&#039;s anger awakens, even the mighty shall fall&amp;quot; --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:10, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Helo as XO ==&lt;br /&gt;
Surely if he was the XO, Adama would of promoted him to at least Major, if not Colonel, by now? I&#039;m not disputing that Helo is acting as Adama&#039;s &amp;quot;eyes and ears&amp;quot; but I&#039;m surpirsed that he is being described as XO.--[[User:Cohnee|Cohnee]] 06:39, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Rank isn&#039;t everything. An officer can also &amp;quot;outrank&amp;quot; someone with a nominally higher rank just by position. Adama probably still plans for Tigh to return some day and has Helo as interim solution. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:09, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s quite possible that Helo hasn&#039;t been promoted because he hasn&#039;t met the minimum time-in-grade for a full Lieutenant yet. Kat&#039;s quick rise from Ensign to Lieutenant seems to contradict this, however. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 11:06, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To me, his job seems to be something of a cross between Gaeta&#039;s former position and Tigh&#039;s.  It may be that he fell into his current roll while Galactica was understaffed and it has yet to be formalised or revised back to a more standard one.  We have seen that the crew is still readjusting to some extent and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if there are still some adjustments yet to be made. --[[User:Ryan H|Ryan H]] 12:35, 8 November 2006 (CST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Ryan H</name></author>
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