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2007-03-31T17:47:00Z

Ristridin: source on character´s pages

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== Javascript Reported Vandals ==

== Advertisement from hotest-tgp-pics.com ==

When accessing a page on BSWiki just now, I ran into a very annoying advertisement. Before the page had even loaded, I was redirected to [http://hotest-tgp-pics.com hotest-tgp-pics.com] (not even in a new window or tab, so it overwrote the page I was viewing), which in turn resized my window to minuscule proportions, then put up a message box over it. Because my PC is slow, I can follow this, but on a fast PC it would seem like my browser window had disappeared. The message box was a misleading advertisement from [http://www.systemdoctor.com SystemDoctor], stating there were errors in my Registry (I'm running Linux, so I don't even ''have'' a registry) and telling me to click OK if I wanted SystemDoctor to check my non-existent registry, or click Cancel if not. After clicking Cancel, I was led to SystemDoctor's download page. I used the Back button to go all the way back to BSWiki, where I finally got to view the page I was visiting in the first place. When I (voluntarily) revisited hotest-tgp-pics.com, I got a similiar advertisement from [http://www.errorsafe.com ErrorSafe], which was just as misleading and annoying as SystemDoctor's. A third visit led me to [http://www.errorprotector.com errorprotector.com], advertising (less obtrusively, though) a product similar to ErrorSafe and SystemDoctor.

I propose that this advertisement be banned from BSWiki for the following reasons:
# It is misleading (it ''always'' says there are errors in your Registry, even if your Registry is fine or you don't even have one);
# It is obtrusive, as it overwrites the page I'm visiting. Compared to this, popups would be a service (at least they leave your current page intact);
# It may confuse unexperienced users, because their browser window seems to vanish and multiple clicks on the Back button are needed to go back to BSWiki.
--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:05, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:On a more detailed look, I noticed errorprotector.com and systemdoctor.com are identical except for the name and the color scheme ^^ Go figure how honest this company is. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
::Pffft ad companies. A word with AdBrite might be worthwhile. In the mean time add the urls to the blacklist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 15:46, 6 March 2007 (CST)

== Kara Thrace and Maelstrom Discussions ==

Admins: I just put my virtual foot down in the Character Elimination subtopic in the Humanoid Cylon Speculation article, asking discussions to cease, because unnecessary and circular debate on Starbuck was going on. The talk was a perfect example of what we're [[BW:NOT|not a place to chat forever]]. I know that Wikipedia has had a similar problem with other popular pages there, like the various articles for the TV show "Heroes." I don't want our wiki to look like an ugly Windows operating system with more banners and warnings than content like what Wikipedia has become, so let's be on our toes throughout the week to keep talk page discussions relevant and brief, warning users on their talk pages if necessary. Hopefully I'm not being too brash, but understandably there are many fans who are unglued by "Maelstrom" and we have to keep the consistency and accuracy of the wiki as well as managing questions but limit talk page speculation. In a way it's a good thing; Starbuck and the show have become dear to our hearts. But "it's just a TV show: we should really just relax..."--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:28, 7 March 2007 (CST)
: No problem. Thanks Kevin! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 21:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::But... but... but... That's fine with me. If there were novel arguments being made, I would advocate continuing the discussion. As it stands, it seems to be one person attempting to argue against a crowd. This is NOT a democracy, so the sheer numbers shouldn't be the only deciding factor. A lone voice making an impassioned, logical argument CAN sway consensus. That being said, the consensus seems pretty clear in this matter, and unless new evidence comes to light or there are novel arguments to be made, we should just let that one drop for right now. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:43, 8 March 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah, I didn't want to just end the discussion because it was annoying, but because it become less a debate than what should be in the article based on its subject matter. Starbuck's resurrection (if it happens) isn't a real topic appropriate to that article, nor is the metaphysicals of other SF in comparison to BSG. It really got off a tangent from the article subject. If a similar discussion (if kept brief) happened on Thrace's character page, I'd be less likely to ask the discussion to end given the circumstances. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:17, 8 March 2007 (CST)

==403 Errors==
I have a note about this on the Crossroads Pt. 1 talk page 'cause that's where I was having the problem first, but it's been spreading, I keep running into pages where it tells me I'm forbidden to go there. I dunno what might be causing it :/ --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:46, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ok this is getting frakking annoying. It's stopped happening on Crossroads Pt. 1 but now I can't look at the Main Page. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:12, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
::I just reproduced the error. I have no idea what caused it though. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 14:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I get it from time to time as well. No idea what could be responsible for that, though. When I refresh the page, it just loads normally. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:51, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:I just saw a text-only version of the Recent changes page after waiting nearly 5 minutes. But once I accessed this page, the speed of the wiki appears normal. I use the nested javascript-powered view in Recent changes, and I have also experienced that 403 error. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:19, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I'm thinking there's a squid thing... Where's the ''[[w:USOS Seaview|Seaview]]'' when you need her? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:17, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Aye. I just increased and spread out the directories more than space. We just are to darn popular. We need mirrors. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:20, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Still getting a 403 error, though. Heh. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 20:45, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

== source on character´s pages ==

Hello!

My computer forgot to add the stylesheet one day and your pages came in view: white page, text and pictures only, no frames etc. ALL hidden text was revealed and to my surpise, it said under every character ...is a Humanoid Cylon.

Source :
<tr style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;" class="hiddenStructure">
<td colspan="2"> Lee Adama is a <a href="/wiki/Humanoid_Cylon" title="Humanoid Cylon">Cylon</a>
</td></tr>
<tr style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;" class="hiddenStructure">
<td colspan="2"> Lee Adama is an Original Series Cylon
</td></tr></table>

Hm, according to you everyone (...) is a Cylon?
Only one click away.

Ps. I´m very glad I recently found this Wiki-pages. Dutch television is still halfway season two and have delayed the rest of the season...again! A!&&"(_&"(A!! Looking forward to take a good look around when you´ve finished. So much to learn!

Good hunting
Ristridin

Crossroads, Part II

2007-03-27T08:21:29Z

Ristridin: /* Questions */

{{Episode Data
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| season= 3
| episode= 20
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 320
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| US airdate= 2007-03-25
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| extra= '''Season Finale - 50 Minute Episode'''
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== Overview ==
:''As Gaeta testifies against Baltar about the execution list that the accused signed on New Caprica, Roslin finds a disturbing link between her dreams and the [[Opera House]] on Kobol. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?tvobjectid=191395&more=ucepisodelist&episodeid=6434876?tag=ep_list;title;19|title=Crossroads, Part II }}</ref>''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===
*[[Admiral Adama]] shaves, cutting himself when the lights flicker.
*[[Laura Roslin]] calls, seeking a bit of humorous motivation to get out of bed and face the [[Crossroads, Part I|trial]] again, which she does not relish.
*After one feeble attempt, Adama manages "get your fat, lazy ass out of that rack, Roslin!" which makes Roslin laugh and give a heartfelt thank you. Adama tells her, "Don't let 'em see you sweat, Laura."
*[[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] are sexually engaged when she hears a strange music. When she notes it to Anders, he's surprised at the revelation, having heard it before himself.
*[[Diana Seelix]] knocks on the duty locker door and Anders opens it. An unconfortable silence between Seelix, Anders and Foster begins.
*[[Galen Tyrol]] is half-asleep, humming the music. He leaves his bed and quarters and goes to a section of ventilation to hear the music elsewhere on ''[[Galactica]]''.
*[[Lee Adama]] recommends a mistrial for [[Gaius Baltar]], using his grandfather's written advice, believing that their successes are actually worsening the issue. Baltar is incensed at the suggestion, believing that Adama wants to leave the case.
*[[Romo Lampkin]], Baltar's attorney, is inclined to agree with Adama, but young Adama's comment about his father's words about the "treacherous" Baltar leaves him to ponder.
*Baltar doesn't want to repeat the terror he's experienced in the time before the trial.
*[[Racetrack]] is training Seelix, Anders, and other [[Raptor]] [[nugget]]s, when Anders overhears Chief Tyrol humming. Together, they realize that the melody feels like something out of childhood, and they hear only a part of the melody.
*Before they can analyze further, Racetrack yells for Anders to return to the group.

===Act 1===
*Roslin takes [[doloxan]] treatment in [[sickbay]]. As she lies down and dreams, she experiences the same dream as [[Sharon Agathon]], also in sickbay with [[Hera Agathon|her daughter]], and both scream simultaneously. The two ask to talk privately.
*Later, Roslin and Sharon Agathon meet with [[Caprica-Six]], who has also experienced the dreams. When asked why Six is trying to reach Hera, she says that she felt she had to protect her "with (my) life."
*[[Saul Tigh]] tells Admiral Adama about the music. The admiral tells Tigh that he will look into it later as he leaves for court.
*The trial resumes. Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]] is on the stand. The [[Precipice|execution order]] from [[New Caprica]] is admitted as evidence by [[Cassidy]], the prosecutor.
*Gaeta lies, as viewers are shown the actual events where Baltar is forced to sign at gunpoint, where Gaeta says that Baltar did not resist.
*Lampkin chooses not to cross-examine, to Baltar's great horror. The prosecution rests.

===Act 2===
*After a recess, the defense begins its case.
*Lampkin motions for a mistrial, as Baltar objects, due to prejudicial comments by Admiral Adama four days before. He asks for Mr. Lee Adama to take the stand.
*The prosecuting attorney strongly objects, but after Lampkin warns of much case law that permits such a procedure, the tribunal allows Mr. Adama to testify.
*Mr. Adama refuses to confirm his father's comments. As Lampkin tries to intimidate Mr. Adama, he restates, asking if Baltar deserves a fair trial.
*Asked why, Mr. Adama believes Baltar is not guilty, but Admiral Adama asks for the questioning to continue.
*Pressed for more clarification, Mr. Adama states that Baltar did not commit treason. He asks the tribunal what anyone else would do in that situation. He notes that all other conspirators and resistance fighters were pardoned, as was many, many other mistakes of the past, from [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I|Roslin]], to [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Admiral Adama]], and himself in the destruction of the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'' and running from [[New Caprica]], recommending never to return with [[Pegasus (RDM)|his battlestar]].
*Mr. Adama believes that new laws are needed because they are less of a civilization now and more of a gang. He states that, unlike everyone else, Baltar is being prosecuted because of his arrogance and is not being accorded the same forgiveness as others.
*Adama believes that the trial is built on emotions and shame from the events of New Caprica, and the shame of those that ran away. Mr. Adama looks to his father as he speaks.
*He believes that Baltar is a scapegoat for all the guilt of the people.
*The prosecuting attorney does not cross-examine, and the defense rests.
*The tribunal steps out to deliberate as Roslin steps down to congratulate Cassidy for her work.

===Act 3===
*Baltar is acquitted, 3 votes to 2 against. Yelling turns into a riot in the gallery as marines try to get Baltar to safety while the [[Fleet News Service|press]] tries to interview many players.
*Baltar is happily discussing the victory but makes a mistake in insulting Admiral Adama. Lee Adama warns him, "Don't push it, doctor."
*When Baltar asks Lampkin to aid him in a book tour and other profitable matters, Lampkin tells him that his association with Baltar is done.
*Baltar suddenly realizes that, despite his apparent freedom, he is a man without a country, without work, friends, or even quarters.
*Lampkin and Mr. Adama say their goodbyes. Lee Adama, on seeing Lampkin walking away without his cane, realizes that he had used the cane as yet another psychological tactic.
*Gaius Baltar tries to be inconspicuous as he moves files elsewhere, but all eyes are on him.
*Roslin and Admiral Adama speak in [[CIC]]. She is incensed at the verdict. Adama reminds Roslin that "not guilty" does not mean "innocent."
*Roslin assumes that Adama cast a guilty vote, when, to Roslin's shock and anger, the admiral states he voted not guilty, feeling that the prosecution did not hold their case.
*Adama tells Roslin that no one is asking anyone to forgive or forget, but they must look to the future.
*Adama orders the last jump to the [[Ionian nebula]]. The jump is successful, and Adama orders a [[DRADIS]] scan when Roslin becomes immediately dazed and stunned.
*As Admiral Adama looks to Roslin to check on her health, main power on every ship of the Fleet fails, leaving each one, including ''Galactica'', drifting dangerously close to each other.

===Act 4===
*Pilots scramble with [[flashlight]]s to their stations while CIC tries to get to auxiliary power, but battery power is the best they can muster.
*The scene shifts to a dream in the [[Opera House]] again, with Gaius Baltar holding Hera and Caprica-Six next to him. Above them, the glowing images of the [[Final Five]] appear. Caprica-Six awakens from the dream.
*Baltar tries to take advantage of the darkness and chaos when three women confront him. Frightened, Baltar is told by the women that they will take him to safety.
*The mysterious music gets louder, and Tigh, Galen Tyrol, Tory Foster and Anders begin quoting lyrics from an increasingly coherent melody. It turns out to be [[Wikipedia:All Along The Watchtower|All Along The Watchtower]], originally by Bob Dylan (here in an [[Bear_McCreary|original]] Indian/Rock version).
*As viewers watch, the music gets louder and more dynamic, forming a rock song. Each of the four are drawn to a central room on ''Galactica'', where they discover each other. Each are stunned and shocked.
*Tyrol believes the impossible; that all of them are [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Each of them begin to hum the music, together, coherently, in full. Tigh angrily stops them and closes the hatches while they talk.
*Tigh states his time in service, and his history, trying to believe that none of it was in vain. Anders objects as well.
*As power is restored, DRADIS picks up a large Cylon fleet coming their way. [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] manage to scramble. [[Helo]], as acting XO, notes the mass power outage will mean that it will take at least 20 minutes for the [[FTL]] jump drives on the civilian ships to be ready. The admiral doesn't believe they have the time.
*In the closed room, Tigh states that, despite what they believe about themselves, that he is going to do his job as a Colonial officer, and heads to CIC. The others follow suit.
*The hangar deck is abuzz with activity as Chief Tyrol tries to resume his usual work.
*Lee Adama, after watching other pilots run from duty lockers to flight preparation, heads there himself to prep.
*Admiral Adama orders the preparation of the battlestar's nuclear weapons. Tigh reports on station, keeping his face stony.
*The Vipers launch. [[Helo]] is confused about the pilot of Viper 3.
*Apollo, in Viper 3, picks up a target on his [[Viper Mark VII|Viper's]] DRADIS, and tracks it down. As he looks around, an image of a [[Viper Mark II]] keeps appearing and disappearing in the clouds. The image buzzes overhead and alarms the pilot momentarily.
*Pulling alongside in her undamaged Viper, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] greets Apollo. She tells him not to "freak out," that it really is her.
*The [[Maelstrom|believed-dead]] pilot tells Apollo that she has been to [[Earth]], and that she can guide the Fleet there.
*As the music continues to play, the episode concludes as the shot pulls swiftly and violently away from Apollo and Starbuck's Viper, past the Colonial fleet, the Cylon fleet and several planets to show an arm of the galaxy.
*The shot suddenly zooms forward and through another nearby galactic arm to the familiar blue-green planet of Earth and what is known to viewers as the North American continent (in its current shape, long after the tectonic drift that split the [[w:Pangaea|Pangaea]] super-continent millions of years earlier in the planet's history).

== Questions ==
*How was Kara Thrace and her Viper, unharmed and without any explicable means, able to survive the events of "[[Maelstrom]]" and transport from the "interior" of a gas planet to the Solar system and then to the Ionian nebula within a relatively short span of time?
*What is the source of the music?
*Are we supposed to interpret the music as the actual Dylan song, and therefore a connection to Earth? ([[#Official Statements|Answer]])
*Is Saul Tigh the oldest Humanoid Cylon model?
*Did the Cylons develop human models before the first [[Cylon War]]?
*For obvious reasons everyone on Galactica will probably think Starbuck is a Cylon. Will they throw her in the brig? And believe her at all? Could her knee injury prove her innocense?

== Analysis ==

== Notes ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] discusses the finale:''
: It is a different finale in the sense that the previous ones have been about fragmenting the characters and spreading them all over different parts of space, and this one, everyone is really on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Every major character is on ''Galactica'', and the stuff going on down on ''Galactica'' is where the drama is.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Interviews-Features/Article/default.aspx?posting=%7BAC4FC1D4-115F-457C-8E4A-01A539D77D39%7D|title=''Galactica'''s Jamie Bamber Visits a Heavenly ''Ghost''|date=2007-02-23|accessdate=2007-02-23|last=Cohn|first=Angel|format=|language=}}</ref>
* ''SciFi.com Forums Admin discusses the running time:''
: The Sunday, March 25, season finale of ''Battlestar Galactica'' will run five minutes longer than usual. If you plan on recording the episode, set your DVR or VCR to continue for five to 10 minutes after the end of the hour so you do not miss anything.<ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2266869|title=BSG Season Finale on March 25 will run 5 minutes overtime|publisher=|page=|date=2007-03-07|accessdate=2007-03-08|language=English}}</ref>
*RDM has confirmed in [http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07085/770732-352.stm this] interview that Tyrol, Tigh, Tory, and Anders are indeed Cylons and members of the Final Five.

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as [[Dr. Cottle]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Chelah Horsdal]] as [[Cassidy]]
*[[Katee Sackhoff]] as [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Jen Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as [[Hoshi]]
*[[Alison Matthews]] as Fallbrook
*[[Susan Hogan]] as [[Doyle Franks]]
*[[Stephen Holmes]] as Reporter #2
*[[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as Young Woman
*[[William Samples]] as Judge #2
*[[Lily Duong-Walton]] as [[Hera Agathon]] (uncredited)

== References ==
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{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:A to Z|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|Crossroads, Part II]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Mark Verheiden]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]
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