Talk:Ivan Wolfe/Archive 1

2008-09-01T15:15:51Z

Rabidwolfe:

Talk:Ivan Wolfe/Archive 1

2008-09-01T15:12:48Z

Rabidwolfe:

User:Rabidwolfe

2008-08-29T21:42:12Z

Rabidwolfe:

Talk:Ivan Wolfe/Archive 1

2008-08-29T19:28:10Z

Rabidwolfe: New page: I can't figure out how to get both TOS and RDM to list in the info box. Oh, well. ~~~~

I can't figure out how to get both TOS and RDM to list in the info box. Oh, well. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 19:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Ivan Wolfe

2008-08-29T19:27:16Z

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Ivan Wolfe contributed the essays "Why Your Mormon Neighbor Know More about This Show than You Do" and "Coduction: Cylons, Colonials, and Criticism" to [[Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy: Mission Accomplished or Mission Frakked Up?]].

He has also published and presented the following academic papers on Battlestar Galactica: “The Lost Tribes of Mormon Science Fiction Literature: Battlestar Galactica in Books and Comics.” (in the AML Annual 2002. Provo, Utah: Association for Mormon Letters, 2002) and "Epistemology and Ontology in Batttlestar Galactica and Mormon Theology." (presented at the 2007 Southwest/Texas Popular Culture/American Culture Association 28th Annual Conference, The Hyatt Regency Conference Hotel, Albuquerque, NM; February 14-17, 2007).

Ivan Wolfe is a doctoral candidate at the University of Texas - Austin, writing a dissertation on Rhetoric and Utopian fiction. He also edits the Battlestar Wiki under the name [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]].

== External links ==
*[http://www.kulturblog.com Kulturblog, a group blog where Ivan blogs about Battlestar Galactica]
*[http://inmediasrays.blogspot.com In Media's Rays, Ivan's personal Blog]
*[http://www.millennialstar.org Millennial Star, a group blog dedicated to Mormon issues]
*[http://www.millennialstar.org/2006/02/12/battlestar-galactica-and-mormonism Post at Millennial Star on Battlestar Galactica]

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2007-11-17T15:13:44Z

Rabidwolfe: /* Episode 7 */

:''This page covers the webisode series for "Razor," which follows the exploits of the young [[William Adama]] during the [[Cylon War]]. For the two hour television event, see: "[[Razor]]".''
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'''''Battlestar Galactica: Razor Flashbacks''''' are an online series that aims provide the story of a young [[William Adama]]'s ([[Nico Cortez]]) discovery of a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] experiment during his time in the first [[Cylon War]]. The webisodes are aimed to lay down the back story for events in [[Season 4 (2008)|Season 4]] that will "threaten him, the crew of the ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and the survival of the human race". The webisodes can be viewed through the official [http://www.scifi.com/pulse Sci Fi Pulse] (SciFi.com's streaming service) or on the screen during airings of ''[[FlashGordonWiki:Flash Gordon (Sci Fi Channel)|Flash Gordon]]'' on Friday at 9/8 P.M. CT.

The webisode series was written by [[Michael Taylor]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]] and [[Felix Alcala]]. In fact, these flashbacks were cut out of the "[[Razor]]" television movie due to time constraints, but will be reintegrated in the version of "Razor" for the [[Razor (Region 1 DVD)|Region 1 DVD]].

== Summary ==
===Episode 1: Day 4,571===

[[Image:Razor Flashback 1.jpg|thumb|Young [[William Adama|Bill Adama]] with [[Jaycie McGavin]] on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''.]]

* Release date: October 5, 2007
* Running time: ~00:02:30
* SCI FI Pulse link: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163960

It is day 4,571 of the First [[Cylon War]]. On board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', [[Jaycie McGavin]] and [[William Adama]] are having sex in the [[duty locker]], during which McGavin asks if Adama left his boots out. Adama tells her that he ran into the Commander while he was taking off his boots, which leads into them mocking the commander with one of his apparently [[Nothing but the rain|well-known greetings]].

McGavin and Adama talk before joining a battle to attack an ice planet in the "ass end of nowhere", where a rumored [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] superweapon is allegedly being built. It is defended heavily by the Cylons: three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] wings, ground forces, defensive batteries and nuclear weapons.

Another rumor they talk about is that peace negotiations are in progress and that the Cylons may unexpectedly surrender, which McGavin scoffs as unlikely. She runs off to report to a briefing for [[Raptor Squadron 2]], leaving Adama alone as the ship readies itself for possible nuclear attack.

===Episode 2: The Hangar===

[[Image:Razor Flashback 3.jpg|thumb|[[William Adama]] about to participate in [[Operation Raptor Talon]].]]

* Release date: October 12, 2007
* Running time: ~00:02:41
* SCI FI Pulse link: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163980

McGavin returns from her mission badly wounded. Adama tries to reassure her that she will live, but she tells him that he was always a bad liar. After medics carry Gavin to [[sickbay]], Adama is filled with anger against the Cylons and cleared to launch in his [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]].

===Episode 3: Operation Raptor Talon===

[[Image:Operation Raptor Talon.jpg|thumb|Combat over the [[ice planet]] during [[Operation Raptor Talon]].]]

* Release date: October 19, 2007
* Running time: ~00:02:41
* SCI FI Pulse link: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163962

Adama and his flight lead, [[Banzai]], engage in bloody dogfights against Raiders as [[Operation Raptor Talon]] commences all around them in orbit of an [[ice planet]]. During the battle, the [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' is pummeled from [[basestar (RDM)|basestar]] salvos and is subsequently destroyed. Adama then spots two Raiders entering the planet's atmosphere. Out for revenge, Adama engages the two. He shoots down one in the high altitudes. Inside a cloud, he suddenly collides with the other and falls to the ground in his disintegrating craft.

===Episode 4: Free Fall===

[[Image:Razor Flashback 4.jpg|thumb|Free falling [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] pursuing [[William Adama]].]]

* Release date: October 26, 2007
* Running time: ~00:02:45
* SCI FI Pulse link: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163961

As [[William Adama]]'s [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] free-falls through the [[ice planet]]'s atmosphere, Adama manages to eject from a parachute-survivable altitude. However, he is not alone: a lone [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurion]] survives as well. The Centurion fires at the free-falling Adama, while Adama attempts to return the welcome. Quickly, they become entangled with one another, hand-to-hand fighting as they free-fall. As the Centurion's blade slides out of its arm, Adama pulls the rip cord and escapes, deploying the parachute.

Adama lands safely on the ground, crashing through what appears to be a warehouse sky-window. The Cylon seems to have crashed nearby and Adama wails on the Centurion with a pipe, severing the Centurion's head from its body. Adama wipes off the Centurion's oil and, now armed with the Cylon's weapon, leaves.

===Episode 5: The Lab===
* Release date: November 2, 2007
* Running time: ~00:02:40
* SCI FI Pulse link: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163976

Adama begins to explore the facility that he had landed in. As he enters what appears to be a laboratory, he finds evidence of human experimentation and human mutilations. He eventually finds a vat filled with a gelatin-like substance which is reminiscent of the [[resurrection tank]]s or [[Hybrid]] tanks that the later [[humanoid Cylon]]s would use. He kneels down and touches the substance, immediately he begins to hear the voices of torture victims and as he looks back at the tank, abruptly a hand grabs Adama's arm. Then the hand abruptly disappears and the visions and voices are gone, but this causes Adama to fall back onto the ground. A voice is heard, quoting from the [[Pythia]]n prophecies: "All this has happened before and will happen again."

Afterwards, a banging sound is heard from a locked chamber. As Adama approaches the portal window, an unidentified person presses his face against the window and begs for him to release him and the other captives. Adama then attempts to break open the door to the chamber.

===Episode 6: Survivors===
* Release date: November 9, 2007
*Running time: ~00:02:11
* SCI FI Pulse link: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163977

While Adama tries to open the door in vain, the man tells him that they are civilians from the Gemenese ship ''[[Diana]]'', whose convoy was attacked by the Cylons, and that there were initially 50 of them who were taken away one by one. The room begins to tremble and then the audience is shown that the warehouse is actually next to a grounded basestar that is preparing to take off. Adama manages to open the door a little bit, but not enough to allow the captives to escape. The man urges Adama to leave them and save himself to tell others of what has happened. Adama finally complies after he realizes that he cannot free the prisoners, and runs out of the laboratory.

===Episode 7===
* Release date: November 16, 2007
*Running time: N/A
* SCI FI Pulse link: http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=163977#videoid=163963
{{spoiltext|Emerging from the laboratory warehouse, Adama sees the basestar lifting off in the distance. Radioing his findings about Cylon experimentation on humans to ''Galactica'', the young pilot is shocked to learn that an armistice has been signed, and the war is over.
We then flash forward to see Commander Adama standing amongst the relics of the war in ''Galactica's'' starboard flight pod museum, presumably a few days before the ship is due for decommissioning. As he reflects, Aaron Doral approaches to inform him that Lee Adama has been confirmed as the lead pilot in the flypast planned for the ship's decommissioning ceremony. As Doral leaves, Adama ponders the old centurion in the display case a little longer.}}

== Notes ==
* With regard to Sci Fi Pulse, only those in the United States can see these Flashbacks, since the player is region-locked. This means that anyone with an [[w:IP address|IP address]] outside of the United States cannot see the Flashbacks via Sci Fi Pulse. However, there are likely "illegal" versions of these episodes onilne -- because of the illegality of these, Battlestar Wiki cannot and will not furnish links to these unauthorized sources.
* The "[[Nothing but the rain]]" greeting apparently originates with ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'s'' wartime commander (presumably [[Nash (RDM)|Commander Nash]]), which would later be passed down by [[William Adama]] to [[Kara Thrace]].
* The [[Cylon War]] has lasted for the past twelve and a half years.
* Raptors were also in operation during the Cylon War.
* Furthermore, the events of [[Operation Raptor Talon]] are billed as occurring forty-one years prior. {{spoilli|This means that they occur 41 years prior to the "current" events of "[[Razor]]", which fall in between "[[The Captain's Hand]]" and "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]".}}
* Adama's final fight with the Cylon in Episode 4 is reminiscent of the fight he has with Conoy in the [[Miniseries]], using an improvised weapon to bludgeon a slightly disabled Cylon to death, and becoming covered in its "blood."
* It is the first time in the Re-imagined Series that the audience is allowed to view the world through the eyes of an [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|original Cylon Centurion]]. The pulsing red light inversely moves back and forth within their vision, but they can see everything despite it.

=== Nods to the Original Series ===
* The reference to an ice planet with a superweapon based on it seems reminiscent of [[Arcta]] in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] episode "[[The Gun on Ice Planet Zero, Part I]]". The reckless actions of Adama entering the planet's atmosphere to attack two fleeing Cylons is also reminiscent of the reckless behavior of Viper cadets from that episode.
* The braiding around the uniform collar of the pilots, in addition to the segmented uniform vest, appears inspired by the [[Uniforms (TOS)|Colonial uniforms]] of the Original Series.
** In Episode 2, Adama passes a man in ''Galactica'''s hallway wearing the beige tunic of a [[Uniforms (TOS)#Warrior uniforms|warrior uniform]] from the Original Series, without the brown jacket.
* Episode 3 uses CG models based on designs for the Original Series' Cylon craft, mainly the [[Raider (TOS)|Raider]]s and [[Basestar (TOS)|basestar]].
* Some of the music in Episode 3 contains a melodic line that is a very slowed-down version of a portion of the melody from the Original Series' theme song. This is most noticeable during the first 40 seconds of the episode (prior to a big hit on ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]''), and again for a few seconds later in the episode, following the destruction of ''Columbia'' and prior to Adama's decision to pursue two Raiders into the atmosphere of the planet.
* In Episode 4 Adama is fighting a [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]], which is a close visual match for the Original Series Cylon Centurion, but moves with far more agility and speed. Also, joints and other mechanical elements are exposed in this version, to prevent the Centurion from looking like a man in a robot suit. The sound effect of the Centurion's red eye-scanner is reused from the Original Series.

== Analysis ==
* While ''[[Columbia (RDM)|Columbia]]'' seems to have more armor than ''Galactica'' in some places, such as the starboard flight pod, the ribbing is also visible in several locations, thus indicating that this is a design choice and not a result of deliberate removal of the armor.
* The audience is given the opportunity to see for the first time what type of Viper pilot Adama was in the first Cylon War. It becomes clear that he displays some characteristics that are traditionally known to be part of Starbuck's Viper style. This may indicate part of the reason why he, later on in his life, looks upon Starbuck as a daughter.
* It's implied that the Cylons began to perform human experimentation during the first Cylon War. The multiple body parts and discovered captives point out an interesting irony that the [[Cavil]]s also have pointed out. The Cylons, though machines, are desiring to usurp humanity's position within the universe. Even though the Cylons rebelled and hate their former masters, the laboratory scenes and future humanoid Cylon models, indicate that the Cylons also want to be like humanity.
{{spoiltext|It is unclear, given where he crash-landed, if Adama actually enters the basestar itself, or whether or not the action occurs in a separate warehouse-like structure. It seems unlikely that Adama could break through a window in an armored basestar when falling with a parachute. Yet is is hard to see how the could reach the basestar from the warehouse without leaving the structure itself, and this is never shown to have occurred. This would place the lab that Adama discovers in the warehouse rather than the basestar, suggesting it is a back up or storage facility.}}

== Questions ==
* Is the planet that Operation Raptor Talon takes place over the eventual [[Cylon homeworld|homeworld]] of the Cylons?
* Based on the point of view perspective given in Episode 4, what function does the Centurion's pulsing red light perform, if not gathering visual data?
* How many captives are still alive by the time Adama discovers them?
* Why is the basestar in Episode 4 grounded on a planet and not in space? Is it incomplete?
* Why are there no signs of security or Cylons in the laboratory?

== Official Statements ==

Not yet available.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

Not yet available.

== Cast ==
These are listed in the order they appeared during the 7 episodes.

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="7" | '''Episode(s)'''
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| [[Edward James Olmos]]
| [[William Adama]]
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| [[Nico Cortez]]
| Young [[William Adama]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
| 4
| 5
| 6
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| [[Allison Warnyca]]
| [[Jaycie McGavin]]
| 1
| 2
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|-
| [[Jacob Blair]]
| Squad Leader [[Banzai]]
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| 2
| 3
|
|
|
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|-
| [[Campbell Lane]]
| [[Hybrid]]
|
|
|
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| 5
|
|
|-
| [[Chris Bradford]]
| Ops Officer
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|
|
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|-
| [[Ben Cotton]]
| Terrified man
|
|
|
|
| 5
| 6
|
|}

== Crew ==

The full list of cast and crew is up on [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/razor/credits/ the SciFi.com Razor website].

== References ==
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[http://frakked.blogspot.com/2007/10/razor-flashback-1.html Full transcript of Razor Flashback - Episode 1]

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2007-10-15T18:59:10Z

User:Rabidwolfe

2007-03-21T01:46:20Z

Rabidwolfe:

Currently a PhD student in Literature at the University of Texas-Austin.

Academic articles I have written on Battlestar Galactica:

“The Lost Tribes of Mormon Science Fiction Literature: Battlestar Galactica in Books and Comics.” AML Annual 2002. Provo, Utah: Association for Mormon Letters, 2002.

"Epistemology and Ontology in Batttlestar Galactica and Mormon Theology." Forthcoming. (A working draft of this paper was presented at the 2007 Southwest/Texas Popular Culture/American Culture Association 28th Annual Conference, The Hyatt Regency Conference Hotel, Albuquerque, NM; February 14-17, 2007).

Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)

2007-01-24T21:30:03Z

Rabidwolfe: fixed italic mistake

:''This article summarizes information on the Colonial faith of the [[Original Series]]. For information the faith of the Twelve Colonies of the [[Re-imagined Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)]].

{{TOS twelve colonies series}}

The '''religion of the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]]'''<ref>Please note the difference in spelling. The Twelve Colonies of ''Man'' is the Original Series counterpart of the [[Re-imagined Series]] version, the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of ''Kobol'']].</ref> is described in sparse detail.

Long before the [[Thousand-Yahren War]], humanity lived on [[Kobol]]. Also with them were the ''Lords of Kobol''.<ref>While the [[Re-imagined Series]] parallels its version of the Lords of Kobol to that of the Olympian pantheon, the Original Series suggested that its faith (or, at least its appearances) paralleled that of [[Wikipedia:Egyptian mythology|Egyptian mythology]]. The pyramids, and the use of an Egyptian Pharaoh's mummy headdress for the Ninth Lord of Kobol emphasizes this parallelism. However, the series heavy use of Mormon theology (see Battlestar Galactica Frequently Asked Questions, [http://www.kobol.com/archives/BG-FAQ.html#E21 E21. Are there parallels between Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism?]and The Millennial Star, [http://www.millennialstar.org/index.php/2006/02/12/ligbattlestar_galactical_ig_and_mormonis Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism]) and occasional use of references to Greek and Roman mythology (such as in names like "Apollo" and "Athena") also indicates that the Colonial religion is not merely a copy of Egyptian religion, but borrows from several sources.</ref>

The Colonial faith appears to be a combination of a monotheistic religion with prophetic rulers. This is supported primarily in the referencing of "God" specifically during the [[seal|sealing]], or marriage, of [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Serina]], where Adama blesses the sealing:<ref>Episode dialogue, "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]."</ref><ref>This singular use of "Lord" and not "Lords" may be an editing mistake or, if correct, a continuity error in the Original Series.</ref>

<blockquote>"Under the eyes of God, bound by the symbol of the faiths of the Lord of Kobol, I declare you sealed."</blockquote>

The Lords of Kobol may have been humans, mortal men who were honored as prophets, as illustrated by the tomb of the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol]],<ref>Given that there was a "Ninth" Lord of Kobol, it can be suggested that there were other Lords of Kobol, but no further information on the Colonial religion is given in the single season of the Original Series, or its spinoff, ''[[Galactica 1980]]''.</ref> resting in the largest city, [[Eden]].

Contradicting both concepts of human prophets in a monotheistic religion is later episodes is dialogue from [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], who implies that the Lords of Kobol held special powers when he questions if Count [[Iblis]], who has exhibited several mystical/superhuman powers, is related to the Lords of Kobol ([[War of the Gods, Part I]]).<ref>This reference may be a reference to the Mormon belief that the most devout worshipers of their faith would go on to become gods of their own universes under the concept of the third of three heavens known as [[w:Celestial Kingdom|the Celestial Kingdom]] in LDS theology. This may have been an attempt to imply that the Lords of Kobol themselves, while recognizing a central God, became gods themselves in the universe of ''Battlestar Galactica'' - or it may indicate they held a status akin to [[Wikipedia: Saint|Catholic saints]] or [[Wikipedia: Bodhisattva|Bodhisattvas]].</ref>

The [[Book of the Word]] is apparently the central tome of scripture, which tells of the exodus of humanity from Kobol after it is left in ruins from a series of ecological disasters.<ref> This concept may be reflective of the then-waning [[w:Ecology movement|ecology movement]] that began in the late 1960s in America.</ref>

The Colonials continue the architectural concepts from Kobol, eons later. On the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]], some buildings of the city are in the shape of pyramids, such as the ones seen behind [[Serina]] as she reports on the anticipated [[Battle of Cimtar|peace conference events]].

Some colonists from [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Gemoni|Gemoni]] are members of the [[Otori Sect]].

Each member of the [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum of Twelve]] is given a [[Adama's Medallion|medallion]] as a symbol of their Kobollian authority. These medallions also serve as key to enter the Tomb of the Ninth Lord of Kobol and disabling its booby traps.

[[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] appears to fill the role of a priest in certain circumstances and religious rituals ([[List of Deleted Scenes (TOS)#Saga of a Star World|"Saga of a Star World" - deleted scene]], "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II]]"), though whether his position entails actual membership in a priesthood or not is unclear.

The later introduction of the [[Beings of Light]] adds an additional mysticism to the Colonial faith, but the series never defines their place, if any, in the Colonial faith. The Beings of Light themselves note that Iblis is a fallen member of their kind.

==References==
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[[Category:A to Z]]
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[[Category:Colonial History]]
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Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)

2007-01-24T21:24:23Z

Rabidwolfe:

:''This article summarizes information on the Colonial faith of the [[Original Series]]. For information the faith of the Twelve Colonies of the [[Re-imagined Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)]].

{{TOS twelve colonies series}}

The '''religion of the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]]'''<ref>Please note the difference in spelling. The Twelve Colonies of ''Man'' is the Original Series counterpart of the [[Re-imagined Series]] version, the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of ''Kobol'']].</ref> is described in sparse detail.

Long before the [[Thousand-Yahren War]], humanity lived on [[Kobol]]. Also with them were the ''Lords of Kobol''.<ref>While the [[Re-imagined Series]] parallels its version of the Lords of Kobol to that of the Olympian pantheon, the Original Series suggested that its faith (or, at least its appearances) paralleled that of [[Wikipedia:Egyptian mythology|Egyptian mythology]]. The pyramids, and the use of an Egyptian Pharaoh's mummy headdress for the Ninth Lord of Kobol emphasizes this parallelism. However, the series heavy use of Mormon theology (see Battlestar Galactica Frequently Asked Questions, [http://www.kobol.com/archives/BG-FAQ.html#E21 E21. Are there parallels between Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism?]and The Millennial Star, [http://www.millennialstar.org/index.php/2006/02/12/ligbattlestar_galactical_ig_and_mormonis Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism]) and occasional use of references to Greek and Roman mythology (such as in names like "Apollo" and "Athena") also indicates that the Colonial religion is not merely a copy of Egyptian religion, but borrows from several sources.</ref>

The Colonial faith appears to be a combination of a monotheistic religion with prophetic rulers. This is supported primarily in the referencing of "God" specifically during the [[seal|sealing]], or marriage, of [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Serina]], where Adama blesses the sealing:<ref>Episode dialogue, "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]."</ref><ref>This singular use of "Lord" and not "Lords" may be an editing mistake or, if correct, a continuity error in the Original Series.</ref>

<blockquote>"Under the eyes of God, bound by the symbol of the faiths of the Lord of Kobol, I declare you sealed."</blockquote>

The Lords of Kobol may have been humans, mortal men who were honored as prophets, as illustrated by the tomb of the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol]],<ref>Given that there was a "Ninth" Lord of Kobol, it can be suggested that there were other Lords of Kobol, but no further information on the Colonial religion is given in the single season of the Original Series, or its spinoff, ''[[Galactica 1980]]''.</ref> resting in the largest city, [[Eden]].

Contradicting both concepts of human prophets in a monotheistic religion is later episodes is dialogue from [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], who implies that the Lords of Kobol held special powers when he questions if Count [[Iblis]], who has exhibited several mystical/superhuman powers, is related to the Lords of Kobol ([[War of the Gods, Part I]]).<ref>This reference may be a reference to the Mormon belief that the most devout worshipers of their faith would go on to become gods of their own universes under the concept of the third of three heavens known as [[w:Celestial Kingdom|the Celestial Kingdom]] in LDS theology. This may have been an attempt to imply that the Lords of Kobol themselves, while recognizing a central God, became gods themselves in the universe of ''Battlestar Galactica - or it may indicate they held a status akin to [[Wikipedia: Saint|Catholic saints]] or [[Wikipedia: Bodhisattva|Bodhisattvas]].''</ref>

The [[Book of the Word]] is apparently the central tome of scripture, which tells of the exodus of humanity from Kobol after it is left in ruins from a series of ecological disasters.<ref> This concept may be reflective of the then-waning [[w:Ecology movement|ecology movement]] that began in the late 1960s in America.</ref>

The Colonials continue the architectural concepts from Kobol, eons later. On the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]], some buildings of the city are in the shape of pyramids, such as the ones seen behind [[Serina]] as she reports on the anticipated [[Battle of Cimtar|peace conference events]].

Some colonists from [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Gemoni|Gemoni]] are members of the [[Otori Sect]].

Each member of the [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum of Twelve]] is given a [[Adama's Medallion|medallion]] as a symbol of their Kobollian authority. These medallions also serve as key to enter the Tomb of the Ninth Lord of Kobol and disabling its booby traps.

[[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] appears to fill the role of a priest in certain circumstances and religious rituals ([[List of Deleted Scenes (TOS)#Saga of a Star World|"Saga of a Star World" - deleted scene]], "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II]]"), though whether his position entails actual membership in a priesthood or not is unclear.

The later introduction of the [[Beings of Light]] adds an additional mysticism to the Colonial faith, but the series never defines their place, if any, in the Colonial faith. The Beings of Light themselves note that Iblis is a fallen member of their kind.

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Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)

2007-01-22T02:55:57Z

Rabidwolfe: some punctuation and grammar

:''This article summarizes information on the Colonial faith of the [[Original Series]]. For information the faith of the Twelve Colonies of the [[Re-imagined Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)]].

{{TOS twelve colonies series}}

The '''religion of the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]]'''<ref>Please note the difference in spelling. The Twelve Colonies of ''Man'' is the Original Series counterpart of the [[Re-imagined Series]] version, the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of ''Kobol'']].</ref> is described in sparse detail.

Long before the [[Thousand-Yahren War]], humanity lived on [[Kobol]]. Also with them were the ''Lords of Kobol''.<ref>While the [[Re-imagined Series]] parallels its version of the Lords of Kobol to that of the Olympian pantheon, the Original Series suggested that its faith (or, at least its appearances) paralleled that of [[Wikipedia:Egyptian mythology|Egyptian mythology]]. The pyramids, and the use of an Egyptian Pharaoh's mummy headdress for the Ninth Lord of Kobol emphasizes this parallelism. However, the series heavy use of Mormon theology (see Battlestar Galactica Frequently Asked Questions, [http://www.kobol.com/archives/BG-FAQ.html#E21 E21. Are there parallels between Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism?]and The Millennial Star, [http://www.millennialstar.org/index.php/2006/02/12/ligbattlestar_galactical_ig_and_mormonis Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism]) and occasional use of references to Greek and Roman mythology (such as in names like "Apollo" and "Athena") also indicates that the Colonial religion is not merely a copy of Egyptian religion, but borrows from several sources.</ref>

The nature of the Lords of Kobol is not clearly defined. They may be gods, secular rulers or religious leaders.<ref> The mortality of the beings may liken these figures to something more akin to [[Wikipedia: Saint|Catholic saints]] or [[Wikipedia: Bodhisattva|Bodhisattvas]].</ref> [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] implies that the Lords of Kobol held special powers by questioning whether [[Iblis]], who has exhibited several mystical/superhuman powers, is related to the Lords of Kobol ([[War of the Gods, Part I]]). However, The Lords of Kobol are likely mortal, since at least one of them, the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol]],<ref>Given that there was a "Ninth" Lord of Kobol, it can be suggested that there were other Lords of Kobol, but no further information on the Colonial religion is given in the single season of the Original Series, or its spinoff, ''[[Galactica 1980]]''.</ref> has a tomb in the largest city, [[Eden]].

The [[Book of the Word]] is apparently the central tome of scripture, which tells of the exodus of humanity from Kobol after it is left in ruins from a series of ecological disasters.<ref> This concept may be reflective of the then-waning [[w:Ecology movement|ecology movement]] that began in the late 1960s in America.</ref>

The Colonials continue the architectural concepts from Kobol, eons later. On the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]], some buildings of the city are in the shape of pyramids, such as the ones seen behind [[Serina]] as she reports on the anticipated [[Battle of Cimtar|peace conference events]].

Some colonists from [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Gemoni|Gemoni]] are members of the [[Otori Sect]].

Each member of the [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum of Twelve]] is given a [[Adama's Medallion|medallion]] as a symbol of their Kobollian authority. These medallions also serve as key to enter the Tomb of the Ninth Lord of Kobol and disabling its booby traps.

[[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] appears to fill the role of a priest in certain circumstances and religious rituals ([[List of Deleted Scenes (TOS)#Saga of a Star World|"Saga of a Star World" - deleted scene]], "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II]]"), though whether his position entails actual membership in a priesthood or not is unclear.

==Notes==

*Despite the presence of the Lords of Kobol, the Original Series heavily implied that the basic structure of the human religion is monotheistic, as noted in numerous references to "God." These could be continuity errors, ad-libs by the actors, or hints as to the true nature of the colonial religion.

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Religion in the Twelve Colonies (TOS)

2007-01-22T00:19:09Z

Rabidwolfe: general Clean - up.

:''This article summarizes information on the Colonial faith of the [[Original Series]]. For information the faith of the Twelve Colonies of the [[Re-imagined Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies (RDM)]].

{{TOS twelve colonies series}}

The '''religion of the [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]]'''<ref>Please note the difference in spelling. The Twelve Colonies of ''Man'' is the Original Series counterpart of the [[Re-imagined Series]] version, the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies of ''Kobol'']].</ref> is described in sparse detail.

Long before the [[Thousand-Yahren War]], humanity lived on [[Kobol]]. Also with them were the ''Lords of Kobol''.<ref>While the [[Re-imagined Series]] parallels its version of the Lords of Kobol to that of the Olympian pantheon, the Original Series suggested that its faith (or, at least its appearances) paralleled that of [[Wikipedia:Egyptian mythology|Egyptian mythology]]. The pyramids, and the use of an Egyptian Pharaoh's mummy headdress for the Ninth Lord of Kobol emphasizes this parallelism. However, the series heavy use of Mormon theology (see Battlestar Galactica Frequently Asked Questions, [http://www.kobol.com/archives/BG-FAQ.html#E21 E21. Are there parallels between Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism?]and The Millennial Star, [http://www.millennialstar.org/index.php/2006/02/12/ligbattlestar_galactical_ig_and_mormonis Battlestar Galactica and Mormonism]) and occasional use of references to Greek and Roman mythology (such as in names like "Apollo" and "Athena") also indicates that the colonial religion is not merely a copy of Egyptian religion, but borrows from several sources. </ref>

The nature of the Lords of Kobol is not clearly defined. They may be gods, secular or religious rulers (like kings or Popes), or something more akin to [[Wikipedia: Saint|Catholic saints]] or [[Wikipedia: Bodhisattva|Bodhisattvas]]. [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] implies that the Lords of Kobol held special powers by questioning whether [[Iblis]], who has exhibited several mystical/superhuman powers, is related to the Lords of Kobol ([[War of the Gods, Part I]]). However, The Lords of Kobol are likely mortal, since at least one of them, the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol]],<ref>Given that there was a "Ninth" Lord of Kobol, it can be suggested that there were other Lords of Kobol, but no further information on the Colonial religion is given in the single season of the Original Series, or its spinoff, ''[[Galactica 1980]]''.</ref> has a tomb in the largest city, [[Eden]].

The [[Book of the Word]] is apparently the central tome of scripture, which tells of the exodus of humanity from Kobol after it is left in ruins from a series of ecological disasters.<ref> This concept may be reflective of the then-waning [[w:Ecology movement|ecology movement]] that began in the late 1960s in America.</ref>

The Colonials continue the architectural concepts from Kobol, eons later. On the colony of [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Caprica|Caprica]], some buildings of the city are in the shape of pyramids, such as the ones seen behind [[Serina]] as she reports on the anticipated [[Battle of Cimtar|peace conference events]].

Some colonists from [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)#Gemoni|Gemoni]] are members of the [[Otori Sect]].

Each member of the [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum of Twelve]] is given a [[Adama's Medallion|medallion]] as a symbol of their Kobollian authority. These medallions also serve as key to enter the Tomb of the Ninth Lord of Kobol and disabling its booby traps.

[[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] appears to fill the role or a priest in certain circumstances and religious rituals ([[List of Deleted Scenes (TOS)#Saga of a Star World|"Saga of a Star World" - deleted scene]], "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part II]]"), though whether his position entails actual membership in a priesthood or not is unclear.

==Notes==

*Despite the presence of the Lords of Kobol, the Original Series heavily implied that the basic structure of the human religion is monotheistic, as noted in numerous references to "God." These could be continuity errors, ad-libs by the actors, or hints as to the true nature of the colonial religion.

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User:Rabidwolfe

2006-12-17T15:11:39Z

Rabidwolfe:

Currently a PhD student in Literature at the University of Texas-Austin.

Academic articles I have written on Battlestar Galactica:

“The Lost Tribes of Mormon Science Fiction Literature: Battlestar Galactica in Books and Comics.” AML Annual 2002. Provo, Utah: Association for Mormon Letters, 2002.

"Epistemology and Ontology in Batttlestar Galactica and Mormon Theology." Forthcoming. (A working draft of this paper will be presented at the 2007 Southwest/Texas Popular Culture/American Culture Association 28th Annual Conference, The Hyatt Regency Conference Hotel, Albuquerque, NM; February 14-17, 2007).

Ragnar Anchorage

2006-10-20T21:28:21Z

Rabidwolfe:

[[Image:ragnar_station.jpg|thumb|Ragnar Anchorage (credit: [[Zoic]] Studios, 2003)]]

'''Ragnar Anchorage''' (also called "Ragnar Station" or "Ragnar Station Ammunition Reserve") is a Colonial munitions dump suspended in the upper atmosphere of the gas giant [[Ragnar]] ([[Miniseries]]).

When the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] launch their [[Cylon Attack|surprise attack]] on the [[Twelve Colonies]], the [[battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' was caught without any munitions for her main and point-defense batteries, having dumped them as part of her decommissioning ceremonies prior to the battle. [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] determines that Ragnar Anchorage offers the best opportunity for re-arming the ship, even though it is some 3 days' travel from ''Galactica's'' position at [[sublight]] speeds and [[Commander Adama]] refers to docking at Ragnar Anchorage as a "super bitch." His decision may well be based on the sound reasoning that the Anchorage, suspended in the stormy upper atmosphere of the planet [[Ragnar]], offers ''Galactica'' the best opportunity to re-arm while reducing the risk of the Cylons finding them and renewing their planned attack before the ship can defend herself. The [[Colonial Fleet]] learned that the atmosphere of the planet Ragnar emitted a kind of radiation that adversely affected Cylon technology and cloaked ships residing within the storm.

While at Ragnar Anchorage, ''Galactica'' obtains enough munitions to completely re-arm her guns, and she also collects a number of [[Class-D]] warheads. Her crew also encounter [[Leoben Conoy]], posing as an arms trader, who eventually gives the Colonials their first discovery of [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylon infiltrators]].

[[Image:ragnar.jpg|thumb|''Galactica'' and her new [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] leaving Ragnar Anchorage]]

While at Ragnar, ''Galactica'' is joined by a civilian convoy of survivors gathered by new President [[Laura Roslin]]. When they arrive, Adama is persuaded to alter his original plan to send ''Galactica'' into a suicidal fight against the Cylons into one of exodus from the Colonies to save the last of humanity.

''Galactica'' protects her new [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] as they make a [[FTL|Jump]] from Ragnar towards the [[Promar Sector]], well beyond the "[[Red Line]]" of chartered space, never to return to the solar system of the Colonies in an effort to escape the Cylons.

==Notes==
*To minimize the time needed to get to Ragnar, [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] orders ''[[Galactica]]'s'' [[FTL]] drive systems prepared for use, which prompts a critical comment from Colonel Tigh that ''Galactica's'' FTL drive systems had not been used in over 20 years.

*Tigh may have been less worried about ''Galactica's'' Jump ability but to the Jump's difficulty in particular. Given the strong gravity well and electromagnetic fields that a gas giant such the one at Ragnar would possess, plotting a Jump to emerge at close proximity to the Anchorage would be an extremely risky measure only to be undertaken in emergency situations, even with a more [[Mercury class battlestar|advanced battlestar]].

*The name "Ragnar" is used allegorically by the show writers to remind the viewer of [[Wikipedia:Ragnarok|Ragnarok]], the apocalyptic battle of the gods of Norse mythology.

*The dark, dank, extremely dirty interior of Ragnar Anchorage was filmed in the [http://www.rogerssugar.com/overview/vancouver.html Roger's Sugar Mill in Vancouver], according to the Miniseries DVD commentary.

''The destruction of ''Galactica's'' munitions was shown in a deleted scene of the [[Miniseries]] DVD set as part of the decommissioning ceremonies.''

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The [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]] details the battle and provides links to successive Cylon encounters.

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Kobol

2006-10-19T17:02:18Z

Rabidwolfe: /* Etymology of "Kobol" */

'''Kobol''' is the ancestral homeworld for humanity in both ''Battlestar Galactica'' sagas. In both series, an unexplained event or environmental catastrophe causes humanity to leave Kobol and settle on the planets that form their new homeworlds known as the Twelve Colonies.

==Kobol in the Original Series==
[[Image:BattleofKobol.jpg|thumb|left|The tombs of the Lords of Kobol as seen in the Original Series. This shot is obviously based on the [[Wikipedia:Egyptian pyramids|Egyptian pyramids]] of real-world Earth.]]

In the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], Kobol was the mother world where mankind originated. An ecological / environmental disaster led to humanity's migration. During the migration, 12 tribes set out for the stars, but became lost in a starless void before stumbling into the worlds that would become the new [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]], while the 13th again headed for a world called "[[Earth]]."

Kobol is rediscovered in the two-part episode, "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I|Lost Planet of the Gods]]." A team from ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'' arrives among the ruins of [[Eden]], the planet's largest city, seeking to enter the tomb of the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol]] in order to find clues as to the route taken by the Thirteeth Tribe. A [[Cylon]] attack ultimately prevents them from doing so.
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==Kobol in the Re-imagined Series==
[[image:Home_pt1-Kobol.jpg|thumb|right|'''Kobol''' as seen from space in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].]]

Kobol is a planet said to be the home of the original thirteen tribes of mankind, once shared in harmony with the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]].

Kobol is a verdant world of seas and continents, the latter having large areas of woodland, grassland and forests. It was located in [[Sector 218]] of the galaxy ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

The seat of power of Kobol resided in the [[City of the Gods]] in the northern hemisphere, itself dominated by the [[Forum]], [[Temple]] and [[Opera House]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]), structures which were duplicated on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in the city of [[Delphi]].

===Great Exodus===
The Great Exodus from Kobol took place some 2,000 years prior to the events of the [[Miniseries]]. At that time, the remaining Twelve Tribes [[Galleon Meadow|departed Kobol]] for another star system.

It is unclear whether all the gods themselves departed Kobol at this time, although the [[Sacred Scrolls]] indicate that [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]] commits suicide in sorrow at the human exodus, suggesting that one or more gods or humans remained to record the death before [[Tomb of Athena|entombing Athena]] and leaving themselves.

It is known that the [[Thirteenth Tribe]] departed Kobol some time before the main exodus ([[Miniseries]]), to seek a planet known as "[[Earth]]." The gods appear to have abandoned Kobol as well, but aired information does not establish a time of departure.

===Religious Texts===
During the time humans lived on Kobol, many texts were written, some of which have survived through time, and are regarded by some as religious artifacts, and by others the documenting of myths and legends. These texts have apparently been collected into a tome known as the [[Sacred Scrolls]].

Chief among these writings include the Book of [[Pythia]] who, some 1,600 years prior to the Great Exodus, fortold another exodus featuring a "caravan of the heavens" lead by someone dying of a "wasting disease" ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). This exodus would lead humanity to a new home, although the leader would die before he/she could enter the new home.

Some of the writings of Pythia have apparently come true: President [[Laura Roslin]], the civil leader of the Colonial fleet is dying of cancer at the presumed fulfillment of the prophecy ([[Home, Part II]]). Further, Roslin has several [[Chamalla|visions]], including one of 12 snakes ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a vision specifically foretold by Pythia.

According to an [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual image of Number Six]] that appears to [[Gaius Baltar]], the Cylons have very different beliefs about Kobol, including that human sacrifice was practiced there, and that the souls of all who die on Kobol are forever lost ("[[Valley of Darkness]]," "[[Fragged]]"). Since this "virtual Six" appears to be some sort of hallucination, this belief may be a falsehood.

===Rediscovering Kobol===
Kobol is re-discovered by chance when battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' dispatches her [[Raptor]]s to locate planets which may provide materials needed to re-supply the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

Following the discovery (as predicted by the [[Cylon agent]] [[Leoben Conoy]]), Roslin becomes convinced that Kobol will lead the fleet to Earth, providing the [[Tomb of Athena]] can be accessed. To do this, the [[Arrow of Apollo]] must be retrieved from the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].

However, before the surface of Kobol can be reached safely (and the crew of a crashed Raptor rescued), a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] force lead by a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] must be eliminated. Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] plans to use the captured [[Cylon Raider]] to help with this, but before any plan can be put into action, Lt. [[Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] uses the Raider to go to Caprica in an attempt to recover the Arrow ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Commander Adama eventually uses a Raptor armed with a nuclear warhead to destroy the orbiting basestar.

President Roslin plays her role as "the Leader" sent by the Gods, and convinces a third of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to return to Kobol with her ([[The Farm]]). With the Arrow of Apollo retrieved, Roslin descends to the surface with a small team, including [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]], Starbuck, [[Helo]], and [[Tom Zarek]]. The [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|copy of Sharon Valerii]], who accompanied Helo on Caprica, claims to know how to help Roslin reach the [[Tomb of Athena]], and is brought along as guide. Along the way on the surface, Roslin's team fights with additional Centurions, resulting in the death of priestess [[Elosha]], Roslin's personal religious advisor ([[Home, Part I]]).

Commander Adama (who locates Roslin's group on the surface) joins her and the rest of the team shortly after Elosha's death. The team soon finds the Tomb of Athena. They are the first people to see the inside of the Tomb in centuries, and use the Arrow to activate a holographic map display which indicated the general direction of [[Earth]] ([[Home, Part II]]).

==Similarities of Kobol between Original and Re-imagined Series==

*It is the original home of humanity
*It is found by chance by both Fleets
*A world catastrophe or internal strife forces humanity to leave the planet
*A tomb holds the key to the location of Earth
**[[Ninth Lord of Kobol]] - [[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]
**[[Tomb of Athena]] - [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]
*Special keys are needed to open or access the secrets of the tomb
**[[Adama's Medallion]]
**The [[Arrow of Apollo]]
*The Colonials encounter Cylons on and around the planet during their quests

==Etymology of "Kobol"==
"Kobol" originally appears to have derived from "Kolob" which, according to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_articles_about_Mormonism Mormon] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham Book of Abraham] is the "star nearest unto God". [[Glen A. Larson]], creator of the Original Series, is a member of the of the [[Wikipedia:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints|Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]]. As such, he used Mormon imagery within the show, together with elements of Eygptian imagery that tend to reflect the time of [[Wikipedia:Abraham|Abraham]] and the Israelites. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham Book of Abraham] also claims that Abraham taught the Egyptians astronomy and that Kolob is the central star of the universe and thus controls the revolutions of all other stars and planets. The connection seems to come from Kolob/Kobol as the (so to speak) "original starting point".

Kobol could also have been derived from the Greek word ''Kobalos'', meaning "mine or source." The name may suggest that Kobol was originally a planet with a wealth of natural resources (or, in the case of the Tomb of Athena, information).

==Cinematic Note==

In the Re-imagined Series, much of the scenic, expansive landscapes of Kobol were filmed at [http://www.spacesfornature.org/greatspaces/pinecone.html Widgeon Slough], the largest freshwater marsh in the the Pinecone Burke Provincial Park, Britsh Columbia, Port Coquitlam (Source in part: [[The Official Companion]]).

In the original [[Miniseries]] script of the Re-imagined Series, the Twelve Colonies actually resided ''on'' Kobol. The final script returned Kobol to its status as birthplace of man, with humanity having left to other habitable worlds to match the premise of the Original Series.

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Kobol

2006-10-19T17:01:42Z

Rabidwolfe: /* Etymology of "Kobol" */

'''Kobol''' is the ancestral homeworld for humanity in both ''Battlestar Galactica'' sagas. In both series, an unexplained event or environmental catastrophe causes humanity to leave Kobol and settle on the planets that form their new homeworlds known as the Twelve Colonies.

==Kobol in the Original Series==
[[Image:BattleofKobol.jpg|thumb|left|The tombs of the Lords of Kobol as seen in the Original Series. This shot is obviously based on the [[Wikipedia:Egyptian pyramids|Egyptian pyramids]] of real-world Earth.]]

In the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], Kobol was the mother world where mankind originated. An ecological / environmental disaster led to humanity's migration. During the migration, 12 tribes set out for the stars, but became lost in a starless void before stumbling into the worlds that would become the new [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies of Man]], while the 13th again headed for a world called "[[Earth]]."

Kobol is rediscovered in the two-part episode, "[[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I|Lost Planet of the Gods]]." A team from ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]'' arrives among the ruins of [[Eden]], the planet's largest city, seeking to enter the tomb of the [[Ninth Lord of Kobol]] in order to find clues as to the route taken by the Thirteeth Tribe. A [[Cylon]] attack ultimately prevents them from doing so.
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==Kobol in the Re-imagined Series==
[[image:Home_pt1-Kobol.jpg|thumb|right|'''Kobol''' as seen from space in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].]]

Kobol is a planet said to be the home of the original thirteen tribes of mankind, once shared in harmony with the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#The Lords of Kobol|Lords of Kobol]].

Kobol is a verdant world of seas and continents, the latter having large areas of woodland, grassland and forests. It was located in [[Sector 218]] of the galaxy ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

The seat of power of Kobol resided in the [[City of the Gods]] in the northern hemisphere, itself dominated by the [[Forum]], [[Temple]] and [[Opera House]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]), structures which were duplicated on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in the city of [[Delphi]].

===Great Exodus===
The Great Exodus from Kobol took place some 2,000 years prior to the events of the [[Miniseries]]. At that time, the remaining Twelve Tribes [[Galleon Meadow|departed Kobol]] for another star system.

It is unclear whether all the gods themselves departed Kobol at this time, although the [[Sacred Scrolls]] indicate that [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Athena]] commits suicide in sorrow at the human exodus, suggesting that one or more gods or humans remained to record the death before [[Tomb of Athena|entombing Athena]] and leaving themselves.

It is known that the [[Thirteenth Tribe]] departed Kobol some time before the main exodus ([[Miniseries]]), to seek a planet known as "[[Earth]]." The gods appear to have abandoned Kobol as well, but aired information does not establish a time of departure.

===Religious Texts===
During the time humans lived on Kobol, many texts were written, some of which have survived through time, and are regarded by some as religious artifacts, and by others the documenting of myths and legends. These texts have apparently been collected into a tome known as the [[Sacred Scrolls]].

Chief among these writings include the Book of [[Pythia]] who, some 1,600 years prior to the Great Exodus, fortold another exodus featuring a "caravan of the heavens" lead by someone dying of a "wasting disease" ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). This exodus would lead humanity to a new home, although the leader would die before he/she could enter the new home.

Some of the writings of Pythia have apparently come true: President [[Laura Roslin]], the civil leader of the Colonial fleet is dying of cancer at the presumed fulfillment of the prophecy ([[Home, Part II]]). Further, Roslin has several [[Chamalla|visions]], including one of 12 snakes ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]), a vision specifically foretold by Pythia.

According to an [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual image of Number Six]] that appears to [[Gaius Baltar]], the Cylons have very different beliefs about Kobol, including that human sacrifice was practiced there, and that the souls of all who die on Kobol are forever lost ("[[Valley of Darkness]]," "[[Fragged]]"). Since this "virtual Six" appears to be some sort of hallucination, this belief may be a falsehood.

===Rediscovering Kobol===
Kobol is re-discovered by chance when battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'' dispatches her [[Raptor]]s to locate planets which may provide materials needed to re-supply the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]).

Following the discovery (as predicted by the [[Cylon agent]] [[Leoben Conoy]]), Roslin becomes convinced that Kobol will lead the fleet to Earth, providing the [[Tomb of Athena]] can be accessed. To do this, the [[Arrow of Apollo]] must be retrieved from the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].

However, before the surface of Kobol can be reached safely (and the crew of a crashed Raptor rescued), a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] force lead by a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] must be eliminated. Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] plans to use the captured [[Cylon Raider]] to help with this, but before any plan can be put into action, Lt. [[Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] uses the Raider to go to Caprica in an attempt to recover the Arrow ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Commander Adama eventually uses a Raptor armed with a nuclear warhead to destroy the orbiting basestar.

President Roslin plays her role as "the Leader" sent by the Gods, and convinces a third of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] to return to Kobol with her ([[The Farm]]). With the Arrow of Apollo retrieved, Roslin descends to the surface with a small team, including [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]], Starbuck, [[Helo]], and [[Tom Zarek]]. The [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|copy of Sharon Valerii]], who accompanied Helo on Caprica, claims to know how to help Roslin reach the [[Tomb of Athena]], and is brought along as guide. Along the way on the surface, Roslin's team fights with additional Centurions, resulting in the death of priestess [[Elosha]], Roslin's personal religious advisor ([[Home, Part I]]).

Commander Adama (who locates Roslin's group on the surface) joins her and the rest of the team shortly after Elosha's death. The team soon finds the Tomb of Athena. They are the first people to see the inside of the Tomb in centuries, and use the Arrow to activate a holographic map display which indicated the general direction of [[Earth]] ([[Home, Part II]]).

==Similarities of Kobol between Original and Re-imagined Series==

*It is the original home of humanity
*It is found by chance by both Fleets
*A world catastrophe or internal strife forces humanity to leave the planet
*A tomb holds the key to the location of Earth
**[[Ninth Lord of Kobol]] - [[Lost Planet of the Gods, Part I]]
**[[Tomb of Athena]] - [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]
*Special keys are needed to open or access the secrets of the tomb
**[[Adama's Medallion]]
**The [[Arrow of Apollo]]
*The Colonials encounter Cylons on and around the planet during their quests

==Etymology of "Kobol"==
"Kobol" originally appears to have derived from "Kolob" which, according to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_articles_about_Mormonism Mormon] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham Book of Abraham] is the "star nearest unto God". [[Glen A. Larson]], creator of the Original Series is a member of the of the [[Wikipedia:Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints|Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]]. As such, he used Mormon imagery within the show, together with elements of Eygptian imagery that tend to reflect the time of [[Wikipedia:Abraham|Abraham]] and the Israelites. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham Book of Abraham] also claims that Abraham taught the Egyptians astronomy and that Kolob is the central star of the universe and thus controls the revolutions of all other stars and planets. The connection seems to come from Kolob/Kobol as the (so to speak) "original starting point".

Kobol could also have been derived from the Greek word ''Kobalos'', meaning "mine or source." The name may suggest that Kobol was originally a planet with a wealth of natural resources (or, in the case of the Tomb of Athena, information).

==Cinematic Note==

In the Re-imagined Series, much of the scenic, expansive landscapes of Kobol were filmed at [http://www.spacesfornature.org/greatspaces/pinecone.html Widgeon Slough], the largest freshwater marsh in the the Pinecone Burke Provincial Park, Britsh Columbia, Port Coquitlam (Source in part: [[The Official Companion]]).

In the original [[Miniseries]] script of the Re-imagined Series, the Twelve Colonies actually resided ''on'' Kobol. The final script returned Kobol to its status as birthplace of man, with humanity having left to other habitable worlds to match the premise of the Original Series.

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:''This article summarizes information on the Colonial faith of the [[Original Series]]. For information the faith of the Twelve Colonies of the [[Re-imagined Series]], see [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]].

The '''Kobollian faith''' is told to viewers in sparse detail in the Original Series.

The [[Book of the Word]] is apparently the central tome of scripture, which tells of the exodus of humanity from the planet [[Kobol]] after a series of ecological disasters.

On Kobol, the largest city, [[Eden]], is left in ruins from the planetary disaster. Throughout the remains of the city are many structures, including the [[Tomb of the Ninth Lord of Kobol]], a pyramidal structure.

On the colony of Caprica, some buildings of the city are in the shape of pyramids, such as the ones seen behind [[Serina]] as she reports on the expected [[Battle of Cimtar|peace conference events]].

Each member of the [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum of Twelve]] is given a [[Adama's Medallion|medallion]] as a symbol of their Kobollian authority. These medallions also serve as key to enter the Tomb of the Ninth Lord of Kobol and disabling its booby traps.

==Notes==

While the [[Re-imagined Series]] parallels its version of the Lords of Kobol to that of the pantheon of Olympian gods of Greek mythology, the Original Series suggested that its faith (or, at least its appearances) paralleled that of [[Wikipedia:Egyptian mythology|ancient Egypt]]. The pyramids, and the use of an Egyptian pharoah's mummy headdress for the Ninth Lord of Kobol emphasized this parallelism.

Given that there was a "Ninth" Lord of Kobol, it can be suggested that there were other Lords of Kobol, but no further information on the religion of the Colonials was told in the single season of the Original Series, or its spinoff, [[Galactica 1980]].

However, the original series also heavily implied that the basic structure of the human religion was monotheistic, so it is unclear whether the Lords of Kobol were gods or something more akin to angels or Catholic Saints.

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== Webisode Anticipation ==
I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
== Unfinished Business ==
I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:I am from the UK and sent an email to SciFi asking whether they will ever be available to those outside the US, they didn't even bother replying. --[[User:Warpfactor|Warpfactor]] 13:08, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I don't mind removing his comments, as long as we archive them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually, Mateo, this is just one episode split into 10 morsels. My present feeling is that this'll be rolled into one feature on the Season 3 DVDs when they come out (or they'll also air it on Sci-Fi sometime in the future as one 30 minute special). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:34, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: ''this is just one episode split into 10 morsels'' Says who? Scifi.com says otherwise. It describes them as 10 webisodes. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:54, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Scifi.com also said Duck and Nora were married (when they weren't). The web staff of scifi isn't always on the same page as the writers/producers of the show. Regardless of what either of them think, though, we should probably do what makes best sense for the encyclopedia. I'm not sure if the the content of each "webisode" is enough to merit a whole "episode" article. I like the fact that this current format maintains the standard layout (summary, questions, analysis, notes) and grouping them together gives it enough meat to fill it out. It'd be a harder call if each of the webisodes had a title, but lacking that they fall neatly into the current format. I'm not dead set against separate articles (heck, we've got some really small ones), but unless this grows out of control it looks ok to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:04, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cast and References ==
The references is a bit confusing. Cally [1][2] is for episode 1 and 4... Maybe it's different with Firefox, but right now I'm with IE. So, if we keep the references, we can create something like the wiki '''TvIV''' is using for the characters. Ex:

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
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| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
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I think that way we keep the references in the order they appeared and create a kind of Timeline for the entire Webisode. And no more confusion. What do you think? --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 14:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:28, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. Good idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer ==
In episode 7, before Number Five asks Jammer if he can refer to him as James or if he prefers Jammer, he refers to him as Mr..., I think he said Mr. Lynom. I listened to it a number of times and it's hard to make out but I am wondering if anybody else caught it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:44, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:See [[Talk:Jammer]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:29, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== Number Five's comment in Episode 7 ==
I don't think that he asks Jammer "Can I call you James or Jim?" as was placed in the notes, I believe the correct dialog is "Can I call you James or do you prefer Jammer?" I want to change that on the article page but want verification first. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:33, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:You are probably right. The audio, especially Doral, sucked on this episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:41, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::He said "Jim" not "Jammer," I just listened to it a moment ago, I'll go confirm it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:42, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Never mind, got it backwards, he definately said Jammer. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::::No, Definitely, I listened to it again and he did for a certainty say Jammer not Jim. I am going to change it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:11, 26 September 2006 (AST)

== Episode 9 ==

Hello. I'm new here. I just added in a synopsis of the ninth webisode. Hopefully it's up to snuff. Any pointers on writing conventions here would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did a delightful job; that was some might fine prose. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:48, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Hello Alpha! Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Thank you for your fine contributions so far! I personally look forward to future contributions from you! In response to your request for pointers, check out Battlestar Wiki's [[BW:SC|Standards and Conventions]], as well as our [[BW:SP|Spoiler]] and [[BW:CJ|Citation]] policies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:53, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:It looks good to me as well. Thanks for your contribution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Okay - I'm new here, but I just listened to Episode 9 and it sounds like he says "a little bird told me" not "Boomer told me" (which makes more sense, since Boomer should still be on the Galactica). Can someone else confirm/deny this? [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:yeah - I just listened to it several times to make sure - he clearly (but quickly) says "little bird told me" - Not boomer. Changing the main page. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, I'll be. That's the second time I've misheard something in these webisodes. I listened to it several times before, and it always sounded like Boomer. And everyone else I talked to heard Boomer. But I'll be damned if he's not saying "little bird". Dang, I really loved the implications of Boomer telling him. Which could definitely happen, as she's on New Caprica (Sharon's on Galactica). Even if she wasn't working with The Resistance, it made sense to me that she might contact the Chief to tell him his friend had been arrested. But alas, that plot twist is no more. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I get Sharon and Boomer mixed up all the time - oh, well. It was hard to tell what he said exactly at first, but since it's three syllables and consists of mostly hard consonants and short vowels (whereas Boomer is two syllables and has a long vowel sound and a soft consonat sound), I got curious and listened to it several times. He says it so quickly it's somewhat muffled, but it's clearly "little bird" once you figure out what he's saying.[[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:56, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::No, no, no. I've listened again and again and heard nothing but "Boomer". It's one word and clearly starts with a B, clearly followed by an "ooh", clearly followed by a "mer". I've tried to hear it as "rumor" or "little bird" and failed. And I believe she informed Tyrol about the release, the arrest would have been public knowledge. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: none - please listen again - the syllable count and consanant sounds do not fit Boomer. It seems some fans are too willing to hear what they want to hear. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:58, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::(This should have been hear) I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Can we just leave off who told him until we hear [[BW:OC|some word]]? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: Good idea - my wife insists he's saying "ol' grover told me". I have no idea now. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 12:02, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I listened a couple more times and it's still "Boomer". I could almost believe it was "bird" (no "little", just "bird") except that there's an M in it. There really is. Leaving off until we hear from Ngarenn does indeed seem sensible, Steelviper. That's why I removed that part when I edited it. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::: I'm pretty sure I heard Boomer, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:17, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::: I'm so sure I head "Boomer" that I have difficulty assuming good faith here. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Now, now. As certain as I am that it's "Boomer", I'm sure Rabidwolfe's edits were in good faith. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:59, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::The [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2191836&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD transcripts] posted at Sciffy began as "rumor" then shifted towards "Boomer". "Boomer" is what I heard initially. Really, this is an example that could be easily cleared up by Mr. Thompson. Worst case (if he doesn't respond) we could do the audio analysis ala "Narcho". If it's "rumor", or "a little bird", or any other generic external source then it's not of much signifance. As mentioned in the OC question, it's only noteworthy if it is in fact "Boomer". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:11, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Those transcripts are done by fans, unfortunately. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::Well, right. As an RDM podcast transcriber, I recognize the fan transcripts for what they are, and realize that they are subject to error. I was just harnessing the "extra ears" to get a feel for what others heard. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::I was just pointing out how nice it would be if the transcripts were official. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::OK, now I'm extremely confused. I listened like a half dozen times when RapidWolfe first brought this up, and at the time, I definitely heard "little bird." He said it quickly, kinda slurred, but I swear Tyrol said it. Now I read the whole big discussion here and try listening again. I can't make heads or tails of it, because now I can't hear anything but Boomer. Apparently I'll hear whatever I'm told to. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::: I'm sorry - I was sure it was little bird. I promise if it is Boomer, I'll eat crow or whatever. FWIW, I just had three random friends who don't watch BSG listen to it, and the three answers they told me were: "the colonel", "rumor" and "colonel." I'm now as confused as anyone else. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 15:57, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

===Spectrogram===
If someone can get me a WAV or AIFF of the audio in question, I can analyze it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:40, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:I have a sample. Working on it now. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:14, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::Okay. Let's do a quick run-through. A narrow transcription of "Boomer" reads {{IPA|pumɹ̣}}, "Rumor" reads {{IPA|ɹumɹ̣}}, and "A little bird" reads {{IPA|elɪɾḷpɹ̣d}}. "A little bird" in very fast speech would probably be realized as "Lil' bird", {{IPA|lɪlpɹ̣d}}, or maybe just "Bird", {{IPA|pɹ̣d}}. What are the salient differences here?
::*"Boomer" is distinguished from "Rumor" by a bilabial stop {{IPA|p}} vs. a retroflex approximant {{IPA|ɹ}}. The {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible to me in the recording, but unfortunately there's too much white noise to make it out in the spectrogram. However, we can ascertain whether or not {{IPA|ɹ}} is present, as that would drag down the second and third formants of the following vowel.
::*"Boomer" is quite clearly distinguishable from "Bird". "Boomer" has two vowels, high back rounded {{IPA|u}} and r-colored {{IPA|ɹ̣}}, interrupted by a bilabial nasal {{IPA|m}}. "Bird" has no nasal and a single vowel, {{IPA|ɹ̣}}. Thus, if we see a nasal and a vowel that is not r-colored, we can safely rule out "Bird".
::So, what we actually see looks to me like:
::[[Image:Boomer-spectrogram.png]]
::There is clearly a nasal breaking the vowel formants into two regions. Thus, we can eliminate "(a little) bird" as a possibility. The first has a fairly low first and second formant, as we would expect for {{IPA|u}}, and its third formant, while barely visible, does not appear to be lowered be a preceding {{IPA|ɹ}}. Additionally, the bilabial plosive {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible in the recording. In the second vowel, the third formant can be seen to lower, which is suggestive of r-coloring. Thus, "Boomer" seems to be the only possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Here's the clip, if anyone wants to {{audio|boomertoldme.mp3|listen}} --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: well, that does sound like Boomer. I'll eat crow. (but please don't say I was acting in bad faith). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 18:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: What I fail to understand is that Webisodes have logically build upon each other and suddenly they dropped "Boomer" out of the middle of nowhere. Confused me???. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:20, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I wasn't saying you were acting in bad faith; I just meant that I found it hard to believe. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:33, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::The most damning evidence in my mind was that I clearly heard the "buh" sound. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:49, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

I've listened to it and he undoubtedly says "Laura told me" --[[jxh487]]

== Jammer's Role ==

I just need to say that it's good to see Jammer playing such a large role in the webisodes, and he's become one of my more favored characters due to what we've seen of him in the webisodes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:10, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: I would have to agree. I've mainly noticed Jammer because of the Cylon speculation page, but he was barely in the series; The Resistance has given him some great development. I expect he'll develop similarly to Cally in Season Two: a recognizable tertiary character suddenly gets major exposure and is catapulted to secondary status. Jammer is awesome, and I can't wait to see where he goes in Season Three (even though the trailers have already given me far too good an idea).

:I'm also glad Duck is getting developed in the webisodes, but so far his storyline in The Resistance hasn't quite been as interesting. Hopefully episode 10 will give us more delightful Duck and Jammer goodness. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:23, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Frankie, I think you meant to post that in the Episode 9 section :) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:42, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes DUH!. I'll copy it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:03, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hyperlinks to the episodes ==

Shane, I'm just curious, why did you remove the hyperlinks to specific webisodes? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:38, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:With the redesign of their site to total flash, the HTML pages were courput. I am going to re-add the URLs to the Flash pages themselfs once Episode 10 airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::Oh, God. There are several citations linking to deleted scenes using the old URL scheme... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Are podcasts changed too? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::::No. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:04, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Perhaps this is something that cant be done on the wiki but its something we use at work on our website. All external links are in a database so that if it changes you can updates all the pages with the link on it. Its kinda hard to explain but basically if you wanted to link to the webisodes you would link to www.battlestarwiki.com/webisode1 and then you would set that url to redirect to whatever the external url was. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:26, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Unfinished ==
Due to the discussions about having problems hearing certain things, look at this [http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=7769 interview]. It looks like that the webisodes were unfinished, especially the sound mixing. May want to import some of this to the actual article itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Chinese Characters ==

I am Chinese, and the three Characters in episode 07 are "盐","渍" or "溃" and "姜" respectively. The right top part of the second character is too blurry that I can't figure it out. As you can see from the candidates I provide, they looks very similar.

# "盐": means "salt".
# "渍": means "be soiled"(verb) or "stain" (noun). And "溃" means "to ulcerate".
# "姜": It has two meanings: a surname or "ginger".
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== Episode 10 ==

I commented out a line of speculation. I am not sure we can reference their actions without proper visual confirmation. Jammer might be just talking a walk. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:55, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:The implication was so clear that no other interpretation seems reasonable. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Use of Roman Numerals for Episodes ==

I noted that Peter reverted the use of Latin numeration in favor of Roman numeration (Episode X instead of Episode X) in some article references. Was this discussed? While we break down multi-episode parts by Roman numerals, we haven't set such a convention for this instance. Which should it be? I prefer Latin, although Roman has an asthetically pleasing look. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:There was no discussion - it just seemed jarring to have the two systems next to each other as I was writing the article. I'll go along with whatever consensus dictates. (BTW, the notation 1, 2, 3… is usually called Arabic numerals, not Latin.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::I like the "look" of the Roman numerals, which seems to be consistent with the past. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::OK. Let's stick with Roman, then, unless there's a significant objection. --
[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:17, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: I OBJECT (significantly). It's been hundreds upon hundreds of years since the end of the Roman Empire and I say we do away with ROman Numerals once and for all, and what better place to start than Battlestar wiki! 'End of the Romans! End of the Romans!' --[[jxh487]]

:::::Let's be radical and start using numbers from [http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numbers.html Ancient Babylonian Cuneiform]. (just kidding). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 20:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Length ==
I just did the math, and the webisodes (using our approximated times) add up to exactly 25 minutes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 16:14, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

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== Webisode Anticipation ==
I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
== Unfinished Business ==
I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:I am from the UK and sent an email to SciFi asking whether they will ever be available to those outside the US, they didn't even bother replying. --[[User:Warpfactor|Warpfactor]] 13:08, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I don't mind removing his comments, as long as we archive them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually, Mateo, this is just one episode split into 10 morsels. My present feeling is that this'll be rolled into one feature on the Season 3 DVDs when they come out (or they'll also air it on Sci-Fi sometime in the future as one 30 minute special). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:34, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: ''this is just one episode split into 10 morsels'' Says who? Scifi.com says otherwise. It describes them as 10 webisodes. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:54, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Scifi.com also said Duck and Nora were married (when they weren't). The web staff of scifi isn't always on the same page as the writers/producers of the show. Regardless of what either of them think, though, we should probably do what makes best sense for the encyclopedia. I'm not sure if the the content of each "webisode" is enough to merit a whole "episode" article. I like the fact that this current format maintains the standard layout (summary, questions, analysis, notes) and grouping them together gives it enough meat to fill it out. It'd be a harder call if each of the webisodes had a title, but lacking that they fall neatly into the current format. I'm not dead set against separate articles (heck, we've got some really small ones), but unless this grows out of control it looks ok to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:04, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cast and References ==
The references is a bit confusing. Cally [1][2] is for episode 1 and 4... Maybe it's different with Firefox, but right now I'm with IE. So, if we keep the references, we can create something like the wiki '''TvIV''' is using for the characters. Ex:

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
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| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally]]
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| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
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| 3
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| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
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|}

I think that way we keep the references in the order they appeared and create a kind of Timeline for the entire Webisode. And no more confusion. What do you think? --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 14:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:28, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. Good idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer ==
In episode 7, before Number Five asks Jammer if he can refer to him as James or if he prefers Jammer, he refers to him as Mr..., I think he said Mr. Lynom. I listened to it a number of times and it's hard to make out but I am wondering if anybody else caught it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:44, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:See [[Talk:Jammer]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:29, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== Number Five's comment in Episode 7 ==
I don't think that he asks Jammer "Can I call you James or Jim?" as was placed in the notes, I believe the correct dialog is "Can I call you James or do you prefer Jammer?" I want to change that on the article page but want verification first. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:33, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:You are probably right. The audio, especially Doral, sucked on this episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:41, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::He said "Jim" not "Jammer," I just listened to it a moment ago, I'll go confirm it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:42, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Never mind, got it backwards, he definately said Jammer. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::::No, Definitely, I listened to it again and he did for a certainty say Jammer not Jim. I am going to change it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:11, 26 September 2006 (AST)

== Episode 9 ==

Hello. I'm new here. I just added in a synopsis of the ninth webisode. Hopefully it's up to snuff. Any pointers on writing conventions here would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did a delightful job; that was some might fine prose. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:48, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Hello Alpha! Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Thank you for your fine contributions so far! I personally look forward to future contributions from you! In response to your request for pointers, check out Battlestar Wiki's [[BW:SC|Standards and Conventions]], as well as our [[BW:SP|Spoiler]] and [[BW:CJ|Citation]] policies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:53, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:It looks good to me as well. Thanks for your contribution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Okay - I'm new here, but I just listened to Episode 9 and it sounds like he says "a little bird told me" not "Boomer told me" (which makes more sense, since Boomer should still be on the Galactica). Can someone else confirm/deny this? [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:yeah - I just listened to it several times to make sure - he clearly (but quickly) says "little bird told me" - Not boomer. Changing the main page. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, I'll be. That's the second time I've misheard something in these webisodes. I listened to it several times before, and it always sounded like Boomer. And everyone else I talked to heard Boomer. But I'll be damned if he's not saying "little bird". Dang, I really loved the implications of Boomer telling him. Which could definitely happen, as she's on New Caprica (Sharon's on Galactica). Even if she wasn't working with The Resistance, it made sense to me that she might contact the Chief to tell him his friend had been arrested. But alas, that plot twist is no more. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I get Sharon and Boomer mixed up all the time - oh, well. It was hard to tell what he said exactly at first, but since it's three syllables and consists of mostly hard consonants and short vowels (whereas Boomer is two syllables and has a long vowel sound and a soft consonat sound), I got curious and listened to it several times. He says it so quickly it's somewhat muffled, but it's clearly "little bird" once you figure out what he's saying.[[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:56, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::No, no, no. I've listened again and again and heard nothing but "Boomer". It's one word and clearly starts with a B, clearly followed by an "ooh", clearly followed by a "mer". I've tried to hear it as "rumor" or "little bird" and failed. And I believe she informed Tyrol about the release, the arrest would have been public knowledge. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: none - please listen again - the syllable count and consanant sounds do not fit Boomer. It seems some fans are too willing to hear what they want to hear. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:58, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::(This should have been hear) I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Can we just leave off who told him until we hear [[BW:OC|some word]]? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: Good idea - my wife insists he's saying "ol' grover told me". I have no idea now. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 12:02, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I listened a couple more times and it's still "Boomer". I could almost believe it was "bird" (no "little", just "bird") except that there's an M in it. There really is. Leaving off until we hear from Ngarenn does indeed seem sensible, Steelviper. That's why I removed that part when I edited it. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::: I'm pretty sure I heard Boomer, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:17, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::: I'm so sure I head "Boomer" that I have difficulty assuming good faith here. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Now, now. As certain as I am that it's "Boomer", I'm sure Rabidwolfe's edits were in good faith. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:59, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::The [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2191836&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD transcripts] posted at Sciffy began as "rumor" then shifted towards "Boomer". "Boomer" is what I heard initially. Really, this is an example that could be easily cleared up by Mr. Thompson. Worst case (if he doesn't respond) we could do the audio analysis ala "Narcho". If it's "rumor", or "a little bird", or any other generic external source then it's not of much signifance. As mentioned in the OC question, it's only noteworthy if it is in fact "Boomer". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:11, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Those transcripts are done by fans, unfortunately. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::Well, right. As an RDM podcast transcriber, I recognize the fan transcripts for what they are, and realize that they are subject to error. I was just harnessing the "extra ears" to get a feel for what others heard. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::I was just pointing out how nice it would be if the transcripts were official. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::OK, now I'm extremely confused. I listened like a half dozen times when RapidWolfe first brought this up, and at the time, I definitely heard "little bird." He said it quickly, kinda slurred, but I swear Tyrol said it. Now I read the whole big discussion here and try listening again. I can't make heads or tails of it, because now I can't hear anything but Boomer. Apparently I'll hear whatever I'm told to. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::: I'm sorry - I was sure it was little bird. I promise if it is Boomer, I'll eat crow or whatever. FWIW, I just had three random friends who don't watch BSG listen to it, and the three answers they told me were: "the colonel", "rumor" and "colonel." I'm now as confused as anyone else. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 15:57, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

===Spectrogram===
If someone can get me a WAV or AIFF of the audio in question, I can analyze it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:40, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:I have a sample. Working on it now. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:14, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::Okay. Let's do a quick run-through. A narrow transcription of "Boomer" reads {{IPA|pumɹ̣}}, "Rumor" reads {{IPA|ɹumɹ̣}}, and "A little bird" reads {{IPA|elɪɾḷpɹ̣d}}. "A little bird" in very fast speech would probably be realized as "Lil' bird", {{IPA|lɪlpɹ̣d}}, or maybe just "Bird", {{IPA|pɹ̣d}}. What are the salient differences here?
::*"Boomer" is distinguished from "Rumor" by a bilabial stop {{IPA|p}} vs. a retroflex approximant {{IPA|ɹ}}. The {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible to me in the recording, but unfortunately there's too much white noise to make it out in the spectrogram. However, we can ascertain whether or not {{IPA|ɹ}} is present, as that would drag down the second and third formants of the following vowel.
::*"Boomer" is quite clearly distinguishable from "Bird". "Boomer" has two vowels, high back rounded {{IPA|u}} and r-colored {{IPA|ɹ̣}}, interrupted by a bilabial nasal {{IPA|m}}. "Bird" has no nasal and a single vowel, {{IPA|ɹ̣}}. Thus, if we see a nasal and a vowel that is not r-colored, we can safely rule out "Bird".
::So, what we actually see looks to me like:
::[[Image:Boomer-spectrogram.png]]
::There is clearly a nasal breaking the vowel formants into two regions. Thus, we can eliminate "(a little) bird" as a possibility. The first has a fairly low first and second formant, as we would expect for {{IPA|u}}, and its third formant, while barely visible, does not appear to be lowered be a preceding {{IPA|ɹ}}. Additionally, the bilabial plosive {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible in the recording. In the second vowel, the third formant can be seen to lower, which is suggestive of r-coloring. Thus, "Boomer" seems to be the only possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Here's the clip, if anyone wants to {{audio|boomertoldme.mp3|listen}} --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: well, that does sound like Boomer. I'll eat crow. (but please don't say I was acting in bad faith). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 18:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: What I fail to understand is that Webisodes have logically build upon each other and suddenly they dropped "Boomer" out of the middle of nowhere. Confused me???. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:20, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I wasn't saying you were acting in bad faith; I just meant that I found it hard to believe. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:33, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::The most damning evidence in my mind was that I clearly heard the "buh" sound. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:49, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

I've listened to it and he undoubtedly says "Laura told me" --[[jxh487]]

== Jammer's Role ==

I just need to say that it's good to see Jammer playing such a large role in the webisodes, and he's become one of my more favored characters due to what we've seen of him in the webisodes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:10, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: I would have to agree. I've mainly noticed Jammer because of the Cylon speculation page, but he was barely in the series; The Resistance has given him some great development. I expect he'll develop similarly to Cally in Season Two: a recognizable tertiary character suddenly gets major exposure and is catapulted to secondary status. Jammer is awesome, and I can't wait to see where he goes in Season Three (even though the trailers have already given me far too good an idea).

:I'm also glad Duck is getting developed in the webisodes, but so far his storyline in The Resistance hasn't quite been as interesting. Hopefully episode 10 will give us more delightful Duck and Jammer goodness. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:23, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Frankie, I think you meant to post that in the Episode 9 section :) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:42, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes DUH!. I'll copy it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:03, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hyperlinks to the episodes ==

Shane, I'm just curious, why did you remove the hyperlinks to specific webisodes? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:38, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:With the redesign of their site to total flash, the HTML pages were courput. I am going to re-add the URLs to the Flash pages themselfs once Episode 10 airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::Oh, God. There are several citations linking to deleted scenes using the old URL scheme... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Are podcasts changed too? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::::No. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:04, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Perhaps this is something that cant be done on the wiki but its something we use at work on our website. All external links are in a database so that if it changes you can updates all the pages with the link on it. Its kinda hard to explain but basically if you wanted to link to the webisodes you would link to www.battlestarwiki.com/webisode1 and then you would set that url to redirect to whatever the external url was. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:26, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Unfinished ==
Due to the discussions about having problems hearing certain things, look at this [http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=7769 interview]. It looks like that the webisodes were unfinished, especially the sound mixing. May want to import some of this to the actual article itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Chinese Characters ==

I am Chinese, and the three Characters in episode 07 are "盐","渍" or "溃" and "姜" respectively. The right top part of the second character is too blurry that I can't figure it out. As you can see from the candidates I provide, they looks very similar.

# "盐": means "salt".
# "渍": means "be soiled"(verb) or "stain" (noun). And "溃" means "to ulcerate".
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== Episode 10 ==

I commented out a line of speculation. I am not sure we can reference their actions without proper visual confirmation. Jammer might be just talking a walk. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:55, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:The implication was so clear that no other interpretation seems reasonable. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Use of Roman Numerals for Episodes ==

I noted that Peter reverted the use of Latin numeration in favor of Roman numeration (Episode X instead of Episode X) in some article references. Was this discussed? While we break down multi-episode parts by Roman numerals, we haven't set such a convention for this instance. Which should it be? I prefer Latin, although Roman has an asthetically pleasing look. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:There was no discussion - it just seemed jarring to have the two systems next to each other as I was writing the article. I'll go along with whatever consensus dictates. (BTW, the notation 1, 2, 3… is usually called Arabic numerals, not Latin.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::I like the "look" of the Roman numerals, which seems to be consistent with the past. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::OK. Let's stick with Roman, then, unless there's a significant objection. --
[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:17, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: I OBJECT (significantly). It's been hundreds upon hundreds of years since the end of the Roman Empire and I say we do away with ROman Numerals once and for all, and what better place to start than Battlestar wiki! 'End of the Romans! End of the Romans!' --[[jxh487]]

:::::Let's be radical and start using numbers from
[http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numbers.html Ancient Babylonian Cuneiform]. (just kidding). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 20:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Length ==
I just did the math, and the webisodes (using our approximated times) add up to exactly 25 minutes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 16:14, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance/Archive 1

2006-10-06T01:13:49Z

Rabidwolfe: /* Use of Roman Numerals for Episodes */

== Webisode Anticipation ==
I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
== Unfinished Business ==
I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:I am from the UK and sent an email to SciFi asking whether they will ever be available to those outside the US, they didn't even bother replying. --[[User:Warpfactor|Warpfactor]] 13:08, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I don't mind removing his comments, as long as we archive them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually, Mateo, this is just one episode split into 10 morsels. My present feeling is that this'll be rolled into one feature on the Season 3 DVDs when they come out (or they'll also air it on Sci-Fi sometime in the future as one 30 minute special). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:34, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: ''this is just one episode split into 10 morsels'' Says who? Scifi.com says otherwise. It describes them as 10 webisodes. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:54, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Scifi.com also said Duck and Nora were married (when they weren't). The web staff of scifi isn't always on the same page as the writers/producers of the show. Regardless of what either of them think, though, we should probably do what makes best sense for the encyclopedia. I'm not sure if the the content of each "webisode" is enough to merit a whole "episode" article. I like the fact that this current format maintains the standard layout (summary, questions, analysis, notes) and grouping them together gives it enough meat to fill it out. It'd be a harder call if each of the webisodes had a title, but lacking that they fall neatly into the current format. I'm not dead set against separate articles (heck, we've got some really small ones), but unless this grows out of control it looks ok to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:04, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cast and References ==
The references is a bit confusing. Cally [1][2] is for episode 1 and 4... Maybe it's different with Firefox, but right now I'm with IE. So, if we keep the references, we can create something like the wiki '''TvIV''' is using for the characters. Ex:

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
|-
| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally]]
| 1
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| 4
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| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
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| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
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| 6
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| 10
|}

I think that way we keep the references in the order they appeared and create a kind of Timeline for the entire Webisode. And no more confusion. What do you think? --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 14:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:28, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. Good idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer ==
In episode 7, before Number Five asks Jammer if he can refer to him as James or if he prefers Jammer, he refers to him as Mr..., I think he said Mr. Lynom. I listened to it a number of times and it's hard to make out but I am wondering if anybody else caught it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:44, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:See [[Talk:Jammer]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:29, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== Number Five's comment in Episode 7 ==
I don't think that he asks Jammer "Can I call you James or Jim?" as was placed in the notes, I believe the correct dialog is "Can I call you James or do you prefer Jammer?" I want to change that on the article page but want verification first. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:33, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:You are probably right. The audio, especially Doral, sucked on this episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:41, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::He said "Jim" not "Jammer," I just listened to it a moment ago, I'll go confirm it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:42, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Never mind, got it backwards, he definately said Jammer. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::::No, Definitely, I listened to it again and he did for a certainty say Jammer not Jim. I am going to change it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:11, 26 September 2006 (AST)

== Episode 9 ==

Hello. I'm new here. I just added in a synopsis of the ninth webisode. Hopefully it's up to snuff. Any pointers on writing conventions here would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did a delightful job; that was some might fine prose. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:48, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Hello Alpha! Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Thank you for your fine contributions so far! I personally look forward to future contributions from you! In response to your request for pointers, check out Battlestar Wiki's [[BW:SC|Standards and Conventions]], as well as our [[BW:SP|Spoiler]] and [[BW:CJ|Citation]] policies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:53, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:It looks good to me as well. Thanks for your contribution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Okay - I'm new here, but I just listened to Episode 9 and it sounds like he says "a little bird told me" not "Boomer told me" (which makes more sense, since Boomer should still be on the Galactica). Can someone else confirm/deny this? [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:yeah - I just listened to it several times to make sure - he clearly (but quickly) says "little bird told me" - Not boomer. Changing the main page. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, I'll be. That's the second time I've misheard something in these webisodes. I listened to it several times before, and it always sounded like Boomer. And everyone else I talked to heard Boomer. But I'll be damned if he's not saying "little bird". Dang, I really loved the implications of Boomer telling him. Which could definitely happen, as she's on New Caprica (Sharon's on Galactica). Even if she wasn't working with The Resistance, it made sense to me that she might contact the Chief to tell him his friend had been arrested. But alas, that plot twist is no more. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I get Sharon and Boomer mixed up all the time - oh, well. It was hard to tell what he said exactly at first, but since it's three syllables and consists of mostly hard consonants and short vowels (whereas Boomer is two syllables and has a long vowel sound and a soft consonat sound), I got curious and listened to it several times. He says it so quickly it's somewhat muffled, but it's clearly "little bird" once you figure out what he's saying.[[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:56, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::No, no, no. I've listened again and again and heard nothing but "Boomer". It's one word and clearly starts with a B, clearly followed by an "ooh", clearly followed by a "mer". I've tried to hear it as "rumor" or "little bird" and failed. And I believe she informed Tyrol about the release, the arrest would have been public knowledge. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: none - please listen again - the syllable count and consanant sounds do not fit Boomer. It seems some fans are too willing to hear what they want to hear. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:58, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::(This should have been hear) I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Can we just leave off who told him until we hear [[BW:OC|some word]]? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: Good idea - my wife insists he's saying "ol' grover told me". I have no idea now. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 12:02, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I listened a couple more times and it's still "Boomer". I could almost believe it was "bird" (no "little", just "bird") except that there's an M in it. There really is. Leaving off until we hear from Ngarenn does indeed seem sensible, Steelviper. That's why I removed that part when I edited it. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::: I'm pretty sure I heard Boomer, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:17, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::: I'm so sure I head "Boomer" that I have difficulty assuming good faith here. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Now, now. As certain as I am that it's "Boomer", I'm sure Rabidwolfe's edits were in good faith. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:59, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::The [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2191836&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD transcripts] posted at Sciffy began as "rumor" then shifted towards "Boomer". "Boomer" is what I heard initially. Really, this is an example that could be easily cleared up by Mr. Thompson. Worst case (if he doesn't respond) we could do the audio analysis ala "Narcho". If it's "rumor", or "a little bird", or any other generic external source then it's not of much signifance. As mentioned in the OC question, it's only noteworthy if it is in fact "Boomer". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:11, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Those transcripts are done by fans, unfortunately. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::Well, right. As an RDM podcast transcriber, I recognize the fan transcripts for what they are, and realize that they are subject to error. I was just harnessing the "extra ears" to get a feel for what others heard. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::I was just pointing out how nice it would be if the transcripts were official. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::OK, now I'm extremely confused. I listened like a half dozen times when RapidWolfe first brought this up, and at the time, I definitely heard "little bird." He said it quickly, kinda slurred, but I swear Tyrol said it. Now I read the whole big discussion here and try listening again. I can't make heads or tails of it, because now I can't hear anything but Boomer. Apparently I'll hear whatever I'm told to. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::: I'm sorry - I was sure it was little bird. I promise if it is Boomer, I'll eat crow or whatever. FWIW, I just had three random friends who don't watch BSG listen to it, and the three answers they told me were: "the colonel", "rumor" and "colonel." I'm now as confused as anyone else. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 15:57, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

===Spectrogram===
If someone can get me a WAV or AIFF of the audio in question, I can analyze it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:40, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:I have a sample. Working on it now. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:14, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::Okay. Let's do a quick run-through. A narrow transcription of "Boomer" reads {{IPA|pumɹ̣}}, "Rumor" reads {{IPA|ɹumɹ̣}}, and "A little bird" reads {{IPA|elɪɾḷpɹ̣d}}. "A little bird" in very fast speech would probably be realized as "Lil' bird", {{IPA|lɪlpɹ̣d}}, or maybe just "Bird", {{IPA|pɹ̣d}}. What are the salient differences here?
::*"Boomer" is distinguished from "Rumor" by a bilabial stop {{IPA|p}} vs. a retroflex approximant {{IPA|ɹ}}. The {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible to me in the recording, but unfortunately there's too much white noise to make it out in the spectrogram. However, we can ascertain whether or not {{IPA|ɹ}} is present, as that would drag down the second and third formants of the following vowel.
::*"Boomer" is quite clearly distinguishable from "Bird". "Boomer" has two vowels, high back rounded {{IPA|u}} and r-colored {{IPA|ɹ̣}}, interrupted by a bilabial nasal {{IPA|m}}. "Bird" has no nasal and a single vowel, {{IPA|ɹ̣}}. Thus, if we see a nasal and a vowel that is not r-colored, we can safely rule out "Bird".
::So, what we actually see looks to me like:
::[[Image:Boomer-spectrogram.png]]
::There is clearly a nasal breaking the vowel formants into two regions. Thus, we can eliminate "(a little) bird" as a possibility. The first has a fairly low first and second formant, as we would expect for {{IPA|u}}, and its third formant, while barely visible, does not appear to be lowered be a preceding {{IPA|ɹ}}. Additionally, the bilabial plosive {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible in the recording. In the second vowel, the third formant can be seen to lower, which is suggestive of r-coloring. Thus, "Boomer" seems to be the only possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Here's the clip, if anyone wants to {{audio|boomertoldme.mp3|listen}} --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: well, that does sound like Boomer. I'll eat crow. (but please don't say I was acting in bad faith). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 18:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: What I fail to understand is that Webisodes have logically build upon each other and suddenly they dropped "Boomer" out of the middle of nowhere. Confused me???. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:20, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I wasn't saying you were acting in bad faith; I just meant that I found it hard to believe. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:33, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::The most damning evidence in my mind was that I clearly heard the "buh" sound. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:49, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

I've listened to it and he undoubtedly says "Laura told me" --[[jxh487]]

== Jammer's Role ==

I just need to say that it's good to see Jammer playing such a large role in the webisodes, and he's become one of my more favored characters due to what we've seen of him in the webisodes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:10, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: I would have to agree. I've mainly noticed Jammer because of the Cylon speculation page, but he was barely in the series; The Resistance has given him some great development. I expect he'll develop similarly to Cally in Season Two: a recognizable tertiary character suddenly gets major exposure and is catapulted to secondary status. Jammer is awesome, and I can't wait to see where he goes in Season Three (even though the trailers have already given me far too good an idea).

:I'm also glad Duck is getting developed in the webisodes, but so far his storyline in The Resistance hasn't quite been as interesting. Hopefully episode 10 will give us more delightful Duck and Jammer goodness. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:23, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Frankie, I think you meant to post that in the Episode 9 section :) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:42, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes DUH!. I'll copy it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:03, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hyperlinks to the episodes ==

Shane, I'm just curious, why did you remove the hyperlinks to specific webisodes? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:38, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:With the redesign of their site to total flash, the HTML pages were courput. I am going to re-add the URLs to the Flash pages themselfs once Episode 10 airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::Oh, God. There are several citations linking to deleted scenes using the old URL scheme... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Are podcasts changed too? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::::No. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:04, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Perhaps this is something that cant be done on the wiki but its something we use at work on our website. All external links are in a database so that if it changes you can updates all the pages with the link on it. Its kinda hard to explain but basically if you wanted to link to the webisodes you would link to www.battlestarwiki.com/webisode1 and then you would set that url to redirect to whatever the external url was. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:26, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Unfinished ==
Due to the discussions about having problems hearing certain things, look at this [http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=7769 interview]. It looks like that the webisodes were unfinished, especially the sound mixing. May want to import some of this to the actual article itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Chinese Characters ==

I am Chinese, and the three Characters in episode 07 are "盐","渍" or "溃" and "姜" respectively. The right top part of the second character is too blurry that I can't figure it out. As you can see from the candidates I provide, they looks very similar.

# "盐": means "salt".
# "渍": means "be soiled"(verb) or "stain" (noun). And "溃" means "to ulcerate".
# "姜": It has two meanings: a surname or "ginger".
{{unsigned|SuperMMX}}

== Episode 10 ==

I commented out a line of speculation. I am not sure we can reference their actions without proper visual confirmation. Jammer might be just talking a walk. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:55, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:The implication was so clear that no other interpretation seems reasonable. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Use of Roman Numerals for Episodes ==

I noted that Peter reverted the use of Latin numeration in favor of Roman numeration (Episode X instead of Episode X) in some article references. Was this discussed? While we break down multi-episode parts by Roman numerals, we haven't set such a convention for this instance. Which should it be? I prefer Latin, although Roman has an asthetically pleasing look. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:There was no discussion - it just seemed jarring to have the two systems next to each other as I was writing the article. I'll go along with whatever consensus dictates. (BTW, the notation 1, 2, 3… is usually called Arabic numerals, not Latin.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::I like the "look" of the Roman numerals, which seems to be consistent with the past. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::OK. Let's stick with Roman, then, unless there's a significant objection. --
[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:17, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: I OBJECT (significantly). It's been hundreds upon hundreds of years since the end of the Roman Empire and I say we do away with ROman Numerals once and for all, and what better place to start than Battlestar wiki! 'End of the Romans! End of the Romans!' --[[jxh487]]

:::::Let's be radical and start using numbers from[http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numbers.html Ancient Babylonian Cuneiform]. (just kidding). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 20:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Length ==
I just did the math, and the webisodes (using our approximated times) add up to exactly 25 minutes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 16:14, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

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== Webisode Anticipation ==
I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
== Unfinished Business ==
I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:I am from the UK and sent an email to SciFi asking whether they will ever be available to those outside the US, they didn't even bother replying. --[[User:Warpfactor|Warpfactor]] 13:08, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I don't mind removing his comments, as long as we archive them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually, Mateo, this is just one episode split into 10 morsels. My present feeling is that this'll be rolled into one feature on the Season 3 DVDs when they come out (or they'll also air it on Sci-Fi sometime in the future as one 30 minute special). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:34, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: ''this is just one episode split into 10 morsels'' Says who? Scifi.com says otherwise. It describes them as 10 webisodes. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:54, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Scifi.com also said Duck and Nora were married (when they weren't). The web staff of scifi isn't always on the same page as the writers/producers of the show. Regardless of what either of them think, though, we should probably do what makes best sense for the encyclopedia. I'm not sure if the the content of each "webisode" is enough to merit a whole "episode" article. I like the fact that this current format maintains the standard layout (summary, questions, analysis, notes) and grouping them together gives it enough meat to fill it out. It'd be a harder call if each of the webisodes had a title, but lacking that they fall neatly into the current format. I'm not dead set against separate articles (heck, we've got some really small ones), but unless this grows out of control it looks ok to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:04, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cast and References ==
The references is a bit confusing. Cally [1][2] is for episode 1 and 4... Maybe it's different with Firefox, but right now I'm with IE. So, if we keep the references, we can create something like the wiki '''TvIV''' is using for the characters. Ex:

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
|-
| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally]]
| 1
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| 4
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| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
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| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
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| 6
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| 10
|}

I think that way we keep the references in the order they appeared and create a kind of Timeline for the entire Webisode. And no more confusion. What do you think? --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 14:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:28, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. Good idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer ==
In episode 7, before Number Five asks Jammer if he can refer to him as James or if he prefers Jammer, he refers to him as Mr..., I think he said Mr. Lynom. I listened to it a number of times and it's hard to make out but I am wondering if anybody else caught it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:44, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:See [[Talk:Jammer]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:29, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== Number Five's comment in Episode 7 ==
I don't think that he asks Jammer "Can I call you James or Jim?" as was placed in the notes, I believe the correct dialog is "Can I call you James or do you prefer Jammer?" I want to change that on the article page but want verification first. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:33, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:You are probably right. The audio, especially Doral, sucked on this episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:41, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::He said "Jim" not "Jammer," I just listened to it a moment ago, I'll go confirm it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:42, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Never mind, got it backwards, he definately said Jammer. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::::No, Definitely, I listened to it again and he did for a certainty say Jammer not Jim. I am going to change it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:11, 26 September 2006 (AST)

== Episode 9 ==

Hello. I'm new here. I just added in a synopsis of the ninth webisode. Hopefully it's up to snuff. Any pointers on writing conventions here would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did a delightful job; that was some might fine prose. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:48, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Hello Alpha! Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Thank you for your fine contributions so far! I personally look forward to future contributions from you! In response to your request for pointers, check out Battlestar Wiki's [[BW:SC|Standards and Conventions]], as well as our [[BW:SP|Spoiler]] and [[BW:CJ|Citation]] policies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:53, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:It looks good to me as well. Thanks for your contribution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Okay - I'm new here, but I just listened to Episode 9 and it sounds like he says "a little bird told me" not "Boomer told me" (which makes more sense, since Boomer should still be on the Galactica). Can someone else confirm/deny this? [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:yeah - I just listened to it several times to make sure - he clearly (but quickly) says "little bird told me" - Not boomer. Changing the main page. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, I'll be. That's the second time I've misheard something in these webisodes. I listened to it several times before, and it always sounded like Boomer. And everyone else I talked to heard Boomer. But I'll be damned if he's not saying "little bird". Dang, I really loved the implications of Boomer telling him. Which could definitely happen, as she's on New Caprica (Sharon's on Galactica). Even if she wasn't working with The Resistance, it made sense to me that she might contact the Chief to tell him his friend had been arrested. But alas, that plot twist is no more. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I get Sharon and Boomer mixed up all the time - oh, well. It was hard to tell what he said exactly at first, but since it's three syllables and consists of mostly hard consonants and short vowels (whereas Boomer is two syllables and has a long vowel sound and a soft consonat sound), I got curious and listened to it several times. He says it so quickly it's somewhat muffled, but it's clearly "little bird" once you figure out what he's saying.[[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:56, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::No, no, no. I've listened again and again and heard nothing but "Boomer". It's one word and clearly starts with a B, clearly followed by an "ooh", clearly followed by a "mer". I've tried to hear it as "rumor" or "little bird" and failed. And I believe she informed Tyrol about the release, the arrest would have been public knowledge. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: none - please listen again - the syllable count and consanant sounds do not fit Boomer. It seems some fans are too willing to hear what they want to hear. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:58, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::(This should have been hear) I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Can we just leave off who told him until we hear [[BW:OC|some word]]? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: Good idea - my wife insists he's saying "ol' grover told me". I have no idea now. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 12:02, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I listened a couple more times and it's still "Boomer". I could almost believe it was "bird" (no "little", just "bird") except that there's an M in it. There really is. Leaving off until we hear from Ngarenn does indeed seem sensible, Steelviper. That's why I removed that part when I edited it. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::: I'm pretty sure I heard Boomer, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:17, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::: I'm so sure I head "Boomer" that I have difficulty assuming good faith here. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Now, now. As certain as I am that it's "Boomer", I'm sure Rabidwolfe's edits were in good faith. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:59, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::The [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2191836&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD transcripts] posted at Sciffy began as "rumor" then shifted towards "Boomer". "Boomer" is what I heard initially. Really, this is an example that could be easily cleared up by Mr. Thompson. Worst case (if he doesn't respond) we could do the audio analysis ala "Narcho". If it's "rumor", or "a little bird", or any other generic external source then it's not of much signifance. As mentioned in the OC question, it's only noteworthy if it is in fact "Boomer". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:11, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Those transcripts are done by fans, unfortunately. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::Well, right. As an RDM podcast transcriber, I recognize the fan transcripts for what they are, and realize that they are subject to error. I was just harnessing the "extra ears" to get a feel for what others heard. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::I was just pointing out how nice it would be if the transcripts were official. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::OK, now I'm extremely confused. I listened like a half dozen times when RapidWolfe first brought this up, and at the time, I definitely heard "little bird." He said it quickly, kinda slurred, but I swear Tyrol said it. Now I read the whole big discussion here and try listening again. I can't make heads or tails of it, because now I can't hear anything but Boomer. Apparently I'll hear whatever I'm told to. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::: I'm sorry - I was sure it was little bird. I promise if it is Boomer, I'll eat crow or whatever. FWIW, I just had three random friends who don't watch BSG listen to it, and the three answers they told me were: "the colonel", "rumor" and "colonel." I'm now as confused as anyone else. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 15:57, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

===Spectrogram===
If someone can get me a WAV or AIFF of the audio in question, I can analyze it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:40, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:I have a sample. Working on it now. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:14, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::Okay. Let's do a quick run-through. A narrow transcription of "Boomer" reads {{IPA|pumɹ̣}}, "Rumor" reads {{IPA|ɹumɹ̣}}, and "A little bird" reads {{IPA|elɪɾḷpɹ̣d}}. "A little bird" in very fast speech would probably be realized as "Lil' bird", {{IPA|lɪlpɹ̣d}}, or maybe just "Bird", {{IPA|pɹ̣d}}. What are the salient differences here?
::*"Boomer" is distinguished from "Rumor" by a bilabial stop {{IPA|p}} vs. a retroflex approximant {{IPA|ɹ}}. The {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible to me in the recording, but unfortunately there's too much white noise to make it out in the spectrogram. However, we can ascertain whether or not {{IPA|ɹ}} is present, as that would drag down the second and third formants of the following vowel.
::*"Boomer" is quite clearly distinguishable from "Bird". "Boomer" has two vowels, high back rounded {{IPA|u}} and r-colored {{IPA|ɹ̣}}, interrupted by a bilabial nasal {{IPA|m}}. "Bird" has no nasal and a single vowel, {{IPA|ɹ̣}}. Thus, if we see a nasal and a vowel that is not r-colored, we can safely rule out "Bird".
::So, what we actually see looks to me like:
::[[Image:Boomer-spectrogram.png]]
::There is clearly a nasal breaking the vowel formants into two regions. Thus, we can eliminate "(a little) bird" as a possibility. The first has a fairly low first and second formant, as we would expect for {{IPA|u}}, and its third formant, while barely visible, does not appear to be lowered be a preceding {{IPA|ɹ}}. Additionally, the bilabial plosive {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible in the recording. In the second vowel, the third formant can be seen to lower, which is suggestive of r-coloring. Thus, "Boomer" seems to be the only possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Here's the clip, if anyone wants to {{audio|boomertoldme.mp3|listen}} --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: well, that does sound like Boomer. I'll eat crow. (but please don't say I was acting in bad faith). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 18:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: What I fail to understand is that Webisodes have logically build upon each other and suddenly they dropped "Boomer" out of the middle of nowhere. Confused me???. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:20, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I wasn't saying you were acting in bad faith; I just meant that I found it hard to believe. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 21:33, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::The most damning evidence in my mind was that I clearly heard the "buh" sound. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:49, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

I've listened to it and he undoubtedly says "Laura told me" --[[jxh487]]

== Jammer's Role ==

I just need to say that it's good to see Jammer playing such a large role in the webisodes, and he's become one of my more favored characters due to what we've seen of him in the webisodes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:10, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: I would have to agree. I've mainly noticed Jammer because of the Cylon speculation page, but he was barely in the series; The Resistance has given him some great development. I expect he'll develop similarly to Cally in Season Two: a recognizable tertiary character suddenly gets major exposure and is catapulted to secondary status. Jammer is awesome, and I can't wait to see where he goes in Season Three (even though the trailers have already given me far too good an idea).

:I'm also glad Duck is getting developed in the webisodes, but so far his storyline in The Resistance hasn't quite been as interesting. Hopefully episode 10 will give us more delightful Duck and Jammer goodness. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:23, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Frankie, I think you meant to post that in the Episode 9 section :) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:42, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes DUH!. I'll copy it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:03, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hyperlinks to the episodes ==

Shane, I'm just curious, why did you remove the hyperlinks to specific webisodes? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:38, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:With the redesign of their site to total flash, the HTML pages were courput. I am going to re-add the URLs to the Flash pages themselfs once Episode 10 airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:04, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::Oh, God. There are several citations linking to deleted scenes using the old URL scheme... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:19, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Are podcasts changed too? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::::No. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:04, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Perhaps this is something that cant be done on the wiki but its something we use at work on our website. All external links are in a database so that if it changes you can updates all the pages with the link on it. Its kinda hard to explain but basically if you wanted to link to the webisodes you would link to www.battlestarwiki.com/webisode1 and then you would set that url to redirect to whatever the external url was. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:26, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Unfinished ==
Due to the discussions about having problems hearing certain things, look at this [http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=7769 interview]. It looks like that the webisodes were unfinished, especially the sound mixing. May want to import some of this to the actual article itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Chinese Characters ==

I am Chinese, and the three Characters in episode 07 are "盐","渍" or "溃" and "姜" respectively. The right top part of the second character is too blurry that I can't figure it out. As you can see from the candidates I provide, they looks very similar.

# "盐": means "salt".
# "渍": means "be soiled"(verb) or "stain" (noun). And "溃" means "to ulcerate".
# "姜": It has two meanings: a surname or "ginger".
{{unsigned|SuperMMX}}

== Episode 10 ==

I commented out a line of speculation. I am not sure we can reference their actions without proper visual confirmation. Jammer might be just talking a walk. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:55, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:The implication was so clear that no other interpretation seems reasonable. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Use of Roman Numerals for Episodes ==

I noted that Peter reverted the use of Latin numeration in favor of Roman numeration (Episode X instead of Episode X) in some article references. Was this discussed? While we break down multi-episode parts by Roman numerals, we haven't set such a convention for this instance. Which should it be? I prefer Latin, although Roman has an asthetically pleasing look. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:44, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:There was no discussion - it just seemed jarring to have the two systems next to each other as I was writing the article. I'll go along with whatever consensus dictates. (BTW, the notation 1, 2, 3… is usually called Arabic numerals, not Latin.) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:54, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::I like the "look" of the Roman numerals, which seems to be consistent with the past. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:59, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::OK. Let's stick with Roman, then, unless there's a significant objection. --
[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:17, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: I OBJECT (significantly). It's been hundreds upon hundreds of years since the end of the Roman Empire and I say we do away with ROman Numerals once and for all, and what better place to start than Battlestar wiki! 'End of the Romans! End of the Romans!' --[[jxh487]]

:::::Let's be radical and start using [http://it.stlawu.edu/~dmelvill/mesomath/Numbers.html Ancient Babylonian Cuneiform]. (just kidding). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 20:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

== Length ==
I just did the math, and the webisodes (using our approximated times) add up to exactly 25 minutes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 16:14, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

Quorum of Twelve (TOS)

2006-10-05T14:11:06Z

Rabidwolfe:

:''This article explains the legislative body in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. For information on its [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] counterpart, see [[Quorum of Twelve]]. For more on the Re-imagined Series' expanded political realm and its Quorum's place in the hierarchy, see [[Government]].''

[[Image:Quorum.jpg|thumb|[[Uri|Sire Uri]] addresses the Quorum ([[Saga of a Star World]]).]]
The '''Quorum of Twelve''', also known as "The Council of Twelve" or "The Council", is a group of politicians who gather together to make up the laws and practices for the people of The [[Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]]. The name comes from the ruling body of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or Mormons). Glen A. Larson was raised Mormon and used several ideas and terms from that church in creating Battlestar Galactica. The primary difference between the two groups is that the Twelve in Battlestar Galactica have a mostly political role (with only ceremonial religious duties) whereas the Mormon leadership is unelected and primarily religious in character.

The seats are made up of one representative from each colony and are presided over by the President. Each representative as well as the President are elected to their positions.

After the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and the death of President [[Adar (TOS)|Adar]], Commander [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], of the planet Caprica, is installed as interim leader of The Council, operating under martial law. The council can still make laws and practices but Adama controls the overall actions of the Council.

The council does try to take control again when The [[Eastern Alliance]] prisoners are taken into custody aboard ''Galactica''. But when the Alliance prisoners, along with [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]] and three [[Borellian Nomen]] try to escape and use the council as prisoners, the council gives control back to Adama ([[Baltar's Escape (TOS)|Baltar's Escape]]).

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Rabidwolfe: additional information on the source.

:''This article explains the legislative body in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. For information on its [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] counterpart, see [[Quorum of Twelve]]. For more on the Re-imagined Series' expanded political realm and its Quorum's place in the hierarchy, see [[Government]].''

[[Image:Quorum.jpg|thumb|[[Uri|Sire Uri]] addresses the Quorum ([[Saga of a Star World]]).]]
The '''Quorum of Twelve''', also known as "The Council of Twelve" or "The Council", is a group of politicians who gather together to make up the laws and practices for the people of The [[Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]]. The name comes from the ruling body of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (or Mormons). Glen A. Larson was raised Mormon and used several ideas and terms from that church in creating [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]. The primary difference between the two groups is that the Twelve in [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] have a mostly political role (with only ceremonial religious duties) whereas the Mormon leadership is unelected and primarily religious in character.

The seats are made up of one representative from each colony and are presided over by the President. Each representative as well as the President are elected to their positions.

After the destruction of the Twelve Colonies and the death of President [[Adar (TOS)|Adar]], Commander [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]], of the planet Caprica, is installed as interim leader of The Council, operating under martial law. The council can still make laws and practices but Adama controls the overall actions of the Council.

The council does try to take control again when The [[Eastern Alliance]] prisoners are taken into custody aboard ''Galactica''. But when the Alliance prisoners, along with [[Baltar (TOS)|Baltar]] and three [[Borellian Nomen]] try to escape and use the council as prisoners, the council gives control back to Adama ([[Baltar's Escape (TOS)|Baltar's Escape]]).

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== Webisode Anticipation ==
I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
== Unfinished Business ==
I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:I am from the UK and sent an email to SciFi asking whether they will ever be available to those outside the US, they didn't even bother replying. --[[User:Warpfactor|Warpfactor]] 13:08, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I don't mind removing his comments, as long as we archive them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually, Mateo, this is just one episode split into 10 morsels. My present feeling is that this'll be rolled into one feature on the Season 3 DVDs when they come out (or they'll also air it on Sci-Fi sometime in the future as one 30 minute special). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:34, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: ''this is just one episode split into 10 morsels'' Says who? Scifi.com says otherwise. It describes them as 10 webisodes. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:54, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Scifi.com also said Duck and Nora were married (when they weren't). The web staff of scifi isn't always on the same page as the writers/producers of the show. Regardless of what either of them think, though, we should probably do what makes best sense for the encyclopedia. I'm not sure if the the content of each "webisode" is enough to merit a whole "episode" article. I like the fact that this current format maintains the standard layout (summary, questions, analysis, notes) and grouping them together gives it enough meat to fill it out. It'd be a harder call if each of the webisodes had a title, but lacking that they fall neatly into the current format. I'm not dead set against separate articles (heck, we've got some really small ones), but unless this grows out of control it looks ok to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:04, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cast and References ==
The references is a bit confusing. Cally [1][2] is for episode 1 and 4... Maybe it's different with Firefox, but right now I'm with IE. So, if we keep the references, we can create something like the wiki '''TvIV''' is using for the characters. Ex:

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
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| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally]]
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| 4
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| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
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| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
| 2
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| 6
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| 10
|}

I think that way we keep the references in the order they appeared and create a kind of Timeline for the entire Webisode. And no more confusion. What do you think? --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 14:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:28, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. Good idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer ==
In episode 7, before Number Five asks Jammer if he can refer to him as James or if he prefers Jammer, he refers to him as Mr..., I think he said Mr. Lynom. I listened to it a number of times and it's hard to make out but I am wondering if anybody else caught it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:44, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:See [[Talk:Jammer]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:29, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== Number Five's comment in Episode 7 ==
I don't think that he asks Jammer "Can I call you James or Jim?" as was placed in the notes, I believe the correct dialog is "Can I call you James or do you prefer Jammer?" I want to change that on the article page but want verification first. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:33, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:You are probably right. The audio, especially Doral, sucked on this episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:41, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::He said "Jim" not "Jammer," I just listened to it a moment ago, I'll go confirm it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:42, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Never mind, got it backwards, he definately said Jammer. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::::No, Definitely, I listened to it again and he did for a certainty say Jammer not Jim. I am going to change it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:11, 26 September 2006 (AST)

== Episode 9 ==

Hello. I'm new here. I just added in a synopsis of the ninth webisode. Hopefully it's up to snuff. Any pointers on writing conventions here would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did a delightful job; that was some might fine prose. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:48, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Hello Alpha! Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Thank you for your fine contributions so far! I personally look forward to future contributions from you! In response to your request for pointers, check out Battlestar Wiki's [[BW:SC|Standards and Conventions]], as well as our [[BW:SP|Spoiler]] and [[BW:CJ|Citation]] policies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:53, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:It looks good to me as well. Thanks for your contribution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Okay - I'm new here, but I just listened to Episode 9 and it sounds like he says "a little bird told me" not "Boomer told me" (which makes more sense, since Boomer should still be on the Galactica). Can someone else confirm/deny this? [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:yeah - I just listened to it several times to make sure - he clearly (but quickly) says "little bird told me" - Not boomer. Changing the main page. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, I'll be. That's the second time I've misheard something in these webisodes. I listened to it several times before, and it always sounded like Boomer. And everyone else I talked to heard Boomer. But I'll be damned if he's not saying "little bird". Dang, I really loved the implications of Boomer telling him. Which could definitely happen, as she's on New Caprica (Sharon's on Galactica). Even if she wasn't working with The Resistance, it made sense to me that she might contact the Chief to tell him his friend had been arrested. But alas, that plot twist is no more. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I get Sharon and Boomer mixed up all the time - oh, well. It was hard to tell what he said exactly at first, but since it's three syllables and consists of mostly hard consonants and short vowels (whereas Boomer is two syllables and has a long vowel sound and a soft consonat sound), I got curious and listened to it several times. He says it so quickly it's somewhat muffled, but it's clearly "little bird" once you figure out what he's saying.[[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:56, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::No, no, no. I've listened again and again and heard nothing but "Boomer". It's one word and clearly starts with a B, clearly followed by an "ooh", clearly followed by a "mer". I've tried to hear it as "rumor" or "little bird" and failed. And I believe she informed Tyrol about the release, the arrest would have been public knowledge. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: none - please listen again - the syllable count and consanant sounds do not fit Boomer. It seems some fans are too willing to hear what they want to hear. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:58, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::(This should have been hear) I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Can we just leave off who told him until we hear [[BW:OC|some word]]? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: Good idea - my wife insists he's saying "ol' grover told me". I have no idea now. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 12:02, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I listened a couple more times and it's still "Boomer". I could almost believe it was "bird" (no "little", just "bird") except that there's an M in it. There really is. Leaving off until we hear from Ngarenn does indeed seem sensible, Steelviper. That's why I removed that part when I edited it. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::: I'm pretty sure I heard Boomer, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:17, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::: I'm so sure I head "Boomer" that I have difficulty assuming good faith here. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Now, now. As certain as I am that it's "Boomer", I'm sure Rabidwolfe's edits were in good faith. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:59, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::The [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2191836&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD transcripts] posted at Sciffy began as "rumor" then shifted towards "Boomer". "Boomer" is what I heard initially. Really, this is an example that could be easily cleared up by Mr. Thompson. Worst case (if he doesn't respond) we could do the audio analysis ala "Narcho". If it's "rumor", or "a little bird", or any other generic external source then it's not of much signifance. As mentioned in the OC question, it's only noteworthy if it is in fact "Boomer". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:11, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Those transcripts are done by fans, unfortunately. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::Well, right. As an RDM podcast transcriber, I recognize the fan transcripts for what they are, and realize that they are subject to error. I was just harnessing the "extra ears" to get a feel for what others heard. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::::I was just pointing out how nice it would be if the transcripts were official. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::OK, now I'm extremely confused. I listened like a half dozen times when RapidWolfe first brought this up, and at the time, I definitely heard "little bird." He said it quickly, kinda slurred, but I swear Tyrol said it. Now I read the whole big discussion here and try listening again. I can't make heads or tails of it, because now I can't hear anything but Boomer. Apparently I'll hear whatever I'm told to. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::: I'm sorry - I was sure it was little bird. I promise if it is Boomer, I'll eat crow or whatever. FWIW, I just had three random friends who don't watch BSG listen to it, and the three answers they told me were: "the colonel", "rumor" and "colonel." I'm now as confused as anyone else. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 15:57, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

===Spectrogram===
If someone can get me a WAV or AIFF of the audio in question, I can analyze it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:40, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:I have a sample. Working on it now. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:14, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::Okay. Let's do a quick run-through. A narrow transcription of "Boomer" reads {{IPA|pumɹ̣}}, "Rumor" reads {{IPA|ɹumɹ̣}}, and "A little bird" reads {{IPA|elɪɾḷpɹ̣d}}. "A little bird" in very fast speech would probably be realized as "Lil' bird", {{IPA|lɪlpɹ̣d}}, or maybe just "Bird", {{IPA|pɹ̣d}}. What are the salient differences here?
::*"Boomer" is distinguished from "Rumor" by a bilabial stop {{IPA|p}} vs. a retroflex approximant {{IPA|ɹ}}. The {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible to me in the recording, but unfortunately there's too much white noise to make it out in the spectrogram. However, we can ascertain whether or not {{IPA|ɹ}} is present, as that would drag down the second and third formants of the following vowel.
::*"Boomer" is quite clearly distinguishable from "Bird". "Boomer" has two vowels, high back rounded {{IPA|u}} and r-colored {{IPA|ɹ̣}}, interrupted by a bilabial nasal {{IPA|m}}. "Bird" has no nasal and a single vowel, {{IPA|ɹ̣}}. Thus, if we see a nasal and a vowel that is not r-colored, we can safely rule out "Bird".
::So, what we actually see looks to me like:
::[[Image:Boomer-spectrogram.png]]
::There is clearly a nasal breaking the vowel formants into two regions. Thus, we can eliminate "(a little) bird" as a possibility. The first has a fairly low first and second formant, as we would expect for {{IPA|u}}, and its third formant, while barely visible, does not appear to be lowered be a preceding {{IPA|ɹ}}. Additionally, the bilabial plosive {{IPA|p}} is clearly audible in the recording. In the second vowel, the third formant can be seen to lower, which is suggestive of r-coloring. Thus, "Boomer" seems to be the only possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:48, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Here's the clip, if anyone wants to {{audio|boomertoldme.mp3|listen}} --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: well, that does sound like Boomer. I'll eat crow. (but please don't say I was acting in bad faith). [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 18:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer's Role ==

I just need to say that it's good to see Jammer playing such a large role in the webisodes, and he's become one of my more favored characters due to what we've seen of him in the webisodes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:10, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: I would have to agree. I've mainly noticed Jammer because of the Cylon speculation page, but he was barely in the series; The Resistance has given him some great development. I expect he'll develop similarly to Cally in Season Two: a recognizable tertiary character suddenly gets major exposure and is catapulted to secondary status. Jammer is awesome, and I can't wait to see where he goes in Season Three (even though the trailers have already given me far too good an idea).

:I'm also glad Duck is getting developed in the webisodes, but so far his storyline in The Resistance hasn't quite been as interesting. Hopefully episode 10 will give us more delightful Duck and Jammer goodness. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:23, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Frankie, I think you meant to post that in the Episode 9 section :) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:42, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes DUH!. I'll copy it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:03, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hyperlinks to the episodes ==

Shane, I'm just curious, why did you remove the hyperlinks to specific webisodes? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:38, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

== Unfinished ==
Due to the discussions about having problems hearing certain things, look at this [http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=7769 interview]. It looks like that the webisodes were unfinished, especially the sound mixing. May want to import some of this to the actual article itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance/Archive 1

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Rabidwolfe: /* Episode 9 */

== Webisode Anticipation ==
I think the Webisodes are a great idea that may expand the BSG Audience. Anyway, I can hope. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 22:07, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I really, REALLY dont like the idea of this. 'Caprica' was bad enough (but i'll begrudgingly watch it anyway cause you kinda have to) but the idea of filler really, REALLY sucks - why oh why cant RDM and Eick just put the events of whats happened into one/two/three regular episodes rather than put these up? No doubt there'll be wonderful nuggegts of info put into these eps, and references made to them in normal eps that people wont get unless they watch these little 'things'. Ron - if you're reading this - you're getting WAY too ahead of yourself - keep to writing BSG itself first, no fancy pants crap, drop Caprica cause its a dumb idea and focus on what people want more of - BSG itself, not a spinoff, not webisodes - JUST BSG!!! </rant> Grr! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 03:47, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
:Actually it might work really well, they did a similar thing with Richard E Grant voicing Doctor Who a few years back on the BBC website --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
: The BBC is also doing the ''Doctor Who Confidential'' series in tandem with the new ''Doctor Who'', as well as the mini ''Tardisodes'' that you can get from BBC's site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:41, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
::I know the Tardisodes are available - but for those of us without broadband (i will be sans broadband for a long time in the next month or so), web episodes arent a good idea. There are going to be plenty of people that dont want to be forced into watching something online, and with the Tardisodes that the BBC put up, they're totally self contained AFAIK, with no references made to them from other episodes, and they're non-important in terms of the overall storyline of DW, as well as being able to be viewed on the Digibox (digital terrestrial DVB-T or Digital Satellite set top box) by pressing 'the big red button'. BSG on the other hand, they're talking about a major part of the backstory which is hardly what i'd call trivial! Are they going to air the episodes on telly for those countries outside the US or will they just assume everyone has fast broadband and dont watch telly? --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:: This is the future of TV within 2-3 years most if not all tv shows will have some online content similar to the webisodes. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I just cant see why its necessary to split up a show into loads of different segments, have some aired on telly, some on the net - it just makes everything that more annoying - why oh *why* can't TV execs just get the idea into their thick skulls that people are happy watching telly AS IT IS!!! --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:30, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:::: My guess is that it is a business decision. You can show an advertiser exactly how many viewers. Also, you get more opportunities to advertise per viewer. Due to the web, DVR's, etc., I don't see the current TV business model surviving.--[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
== Unfinished Business ==
I have the feeling that the episode "Unfinished Business" will be a clip show of the webisodes, Just a guess. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 12:14, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

:No, they showed that it's different stuff: "Unfinished Business" deals with stuff *before* the Cylons came, the webisodes deal with stuff after that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
::Great more BSG content :D!! --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:52, 18 July 2006 (CDT)

:I do hope that these get aired on telly, i really, really do :'( --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:29, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

:This is not a bad idea at all. It's like a side project. Something that more than likely will have no tie-in to the regular series. Otherwise, why not call them teasers instead of webisodes? It's not featuring any of the main cast as far as we have been told. All the more interesting. My only regret about it is it will be something only accessed on Galactica's SciFi site, and not available on iTunes.--[[User:AJFederation|AJFederation]] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

==Add into Episode Guide template==

Right now, Season 2 ends and proceeds to Season 3 in the template at the bottom of the screen: where's the page where I can add this webisode series into the succession?: I think it should be put at the beginning of Season 3 (or at least, after LDYB II clicking "next" would lead here, not season 3 proper). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

In addition, I think the format of this page should be that of any one episode in the episode guide; that is, there won't be separate subpages linked for each of the 10 webisodes: ***Bradley Thompson, who co-wrote these, said he considers it one story, just broken up into 10 chunks, which I think is just like how a normal episode is broken up by commercial breaks. This really isn't a separate series, so much as a "special episode". It's not a separate series, but part of the series between Seasons 2 and 3 (we asked Thompson how we should consider it with that; waiting on answer). --->Originally I had thought this would be a parent series page that had episodes linked from it, but based on Thompson's comments it makes more sense just to put it in an episode format. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 19:44, 25 July 2006 (CDT)

==September Debut==

An BSG article in the October issue of SciFi Magazine says the Webisodes will start in September. Whether the WGA actions will affect this or not is unknown. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:21, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:The WGA announcement was this Wednesday. I do know they were originally planned to be aired for 10 weeks (one each week) before the season premiere...in which case they would already have started two weeks ago. I think there was foot dragging where they hoped to ''vaguely'' "have them out in September or something" but that this broke down. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:24, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:: The mag probably went to print assuming that everything will be ok, but it's not?? No word from Bradley yet?--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:28, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Nothing. I'd make a big deal about it if there was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:36, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I was just hoping for tidbit of the webisodes by now to feed my raging beast ;-). Thanks for being on top of it--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:40, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm confused about the last paragraph of the Contract Disputes... section. We say "several weeks" later from August, the tapes were handed over. (I assume that means at least 3 weeks.) The WGA/NBCU dispute became public on Aug. 12 and the NLRB greviance was filed on the 18th. It doesn't seem that three weeks have passed. Can that be clarified? Also, what changed or broke the stalemate? There has been nothing announced in Variety or elsewhere, at least in regard to The Office. How can the BSG producers turn over tapes without getting in trouble with the writers guild, of which Moore and Eick are presumably members. Can anyone explain?--[[User:Elach|Elach]] 13:42, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Image" ==

When we do a picture for the Episode Data block and this is all done, we should take all 10 of the images and put them in a pattern so it would be a mossic image. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:39, 2 September 2006 (CDT)

:I like your idea, and I suggest 2 wide by 5 tall, as it must be either 1x10 or 2x5 (barring tomfoolery), and 5x2 would have unfortunate aspect ratio consequences. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:20, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

== Connectivity?!? ==

Is anyone else having problems watching the webisodes?
I've waited all this time for them to air and I can't watch a single one!

How shady is that?

Do Sci-Fi.com have availbility problems regarding this, and how hong is it going to take to fix?

Does anyone know if they are going to be released in any other format other than webisode? --Jetstorm316
:I just watched it not 20 minutes ago and it worked. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 05:32, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::You need the latest Flash player. You can get it from the Marrocmedia Website. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:42, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Any way to watch it if not from America? Wont let me watch here in the UK :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Tried several US proxies and it just wont load. can someone save it and upload to google video or youtube or summit? :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:40, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::This is bending the policy,but it is on you-tube (Watch this morning because it works better than the official site at lower speeds). Should be a link on skiffy board somewhere. Or gtalk or gmail me and I will find the link. gougef at gmail dot com. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:44, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::::::Well said, Frankie. No hosting or linking to "illegal" copies... but like he said there's youtube links at sciffy (even though the admins appear to be trying to delete them). And the "flash player" official version was choppy even with ultra-broadband. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Thanks for your help anyway guys. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:13, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

Does any one have the link for the you tube version? My Flash player is upto date, but can't watch here in the UK........

Must be a Trans-Atlantic thing or something, but I hope they put it on 3.0 to compensate for people who are missing out.--Jetstorm316 19:12GMT 5 september 2006

EUREKA! Success at last! If you have a torrent client, go to this link,
<<removed link>>
Now, we can all watch it at our leasure --jetstorm316 19:34hrs GMT
:We don't host or link copies. Removed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:18, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:Please do not link to the webisodes or clips of BSG on this Wiki that are copyrighted. Thank you --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:21, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

And thats the thanks I get for helping us all out who have connectivity problems? You know what, F*** the lot of you! I won't visit this site again!

This is the last entry for Jetstorm316

Goodbye and good F***ing luck to you bunch of F***ing losers!
:Please do not feel offended by up removing the link you posted. As i mentioned on your talk page It was nice of you to think of others but we dont want to get into any copyright issues with the producers. I hope you re-think your decision about leaving as your other contributions in the talk pages have been great --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:49, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
::what Mercifull said. Personally, it was hard to get use to posting here after being involve with other online forums and communities. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:59, 5 September 2006 (CDT)
:::It's easy for me 'cause on other forums I don't link to that kinda junk anyway. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 22:51, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

'''Obviously''' there is more than a little frustration over not being able to connect outside the US. I'm not sure about the UK and other countries, but I do know that Canada's Space Channel has bought the show to broadcast on pretty much the same dates as in the US. This makes the fact that we Canadians(and anyone else who is going to see the show boadcast legally on television on October outside the US) would really benefit from being able to access the webisodes...we will watch the premier on Space, just like everyone else, except we are forced to result to illegal means to see the webisodes. I know this is a novelty, and perhaps the websiode content won't greatly affect the regularly aired shows, but really, I truly feel that this is a bad mistake on SciFi's behalf...and maybe even on Canada's Space Channel's Behalf for not seeking to host the webisodes on their Canadian site. It'll be something that they can claim as "EXTRA SPECIAL" on the DVD releases perhaps..but I think that once that is done, it becomes "bonus material" for the DVD and no longer the exciting and unique experience of participating with everyone else, waiting expectantly for the next five minute morsel to whet our appetites for the coming season...instead we have to lurk around in the dark and worry that maybe YOUTUBE is going to cut us off. We are fans and we all want the same great experience.

Maybe this isn't the place to debate...but I think I'll be writing both SciFi and SPACE to see how they can make a better, more rounded fan experience for an evidently GLOBAL audience.
--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 07:31, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

:I am from the UK and sent an email to SciFi asking whether they will ever be available to those outside the US, they didn't even bother replying. --[[User:Warpfactor|Warpfactor]] 13:08, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Cast & Crew announced==
Now that Ron Moore has [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ announced] the full cast and crew listing of the webisodes, it may be better to have a crew section and a cast section instead of listing the cast under each of the ten recaps. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 21:17, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agree, but we should make when we saw each cast memeber. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:29, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== Sister Tivenan ==
I'd imagine the pirestess I didn't recognize in webisode 2 was the Sister Tivenan in those credits by elimination. That does not leave me quite comfortable with claiming her as identified. I didn't find a Tivenan by search here, so I'd assume she's a new character. I solicit opinions. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:54, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:She appears to be a completely new character.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 06:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

== Doral/Number Five ==

It seems like such a trivial thing to bring up, but I notice that the Wiki credits (anticipating his future appearance) now refer to Matthew Bennett's role as [[Number Five]] even though Ron's blog specifically refers to his role as [[Doral]] and that he is referred to as a Doral model in several episodes (including "[[Litmus]]".) Rather than revert it back, I'll just note the change and leave it up here as something to resolve until he makes his webisode debut.--[[User:Larocque6689|Larocque6689]] 07:04, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:There are many Fives but only one Aaron Doral, and there's no indication that it's him. RDM refers to models other than Sixes as "D'annas", "Dorals", "Sharons" etc. for simplicity's sake. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 07:58, 7 September 2006 (CDT)

==Episode 3?==

So, uh, where the heck's Episode 3? It's not up! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:11, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:Whoops, never mind. Episode 3 went up at 12 ''PM'' eastern as opposed to 12 ''AM'' Eastern. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:13, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. :) I just finshed watching it. It was ok. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:15, 12 September 2006 (CDT)
:::My silly school blocks streaming video :( --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:16, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Official Sources==
Thinking about moving the contract dispute stuff down the page into an Official Sources section. I find it distracting where it is. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:51, 12 September 2006 (CDT)

==Webisodes links==

Is it okay to add links to the webisodes? I searched the source of the article but didn't see any. What about removing the comments of Jetstorm316 above, or for that matter how about all the comments that folks made without reading the webisodes FAQ which is linked to on all the webisode pages? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 16:41, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: What kind of links are we talking about here? Are we talking about the official Scifi.com links? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:05, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: Yes, such as /battlestar/video/webisodes/01/ (with the scifi dot com added to the front of course). [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 17:35, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Done. thanks for noticing that frakup. Also, the removed contents of Jetstorm was link(s) to "unofficial" copies. Can't link directly to FAQ because it is java popup from SciFi.com. May post relevant part to official statements. Thanks again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:00, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::::Swt, thanks and your welcome. The FAQ can be seen here http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html I meant removing Jetstorms comments on this Talk page, maybe remove contents of the Connectivity?!? and replace it with the FAQ url? [[User:Eghm|Eghm]] 18:50, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::::I don't mind removing his comments, as long as we archive them. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:37, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

==Why one page?==
Why not have seperate pages for each webisode? Even the TVIV has seperate pages for each webisode. That's pretty embarrassing that the battlestarwiki has inferior coverage of something Battlestar related. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:42, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
: Actually, Mateo, this is just one episode split into 10 morsels. My present feeling is that this'll be rolled into one feature on the Season 3 DVDs when they come out (or they'll also air it on Sci-Fi sometime in the future as one 30 minute special). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:34, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:: ''this is just one episode split into 10 morsels'' Says who? Scifi.com says otherwise. It describes them as 10 webisodes. --[[User:Mateo|Mateo]] 18:54, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Scifi.com also said Duck and Nora were married (when they weren't). The web staff of scifi isn't always on the same page as the writers/producers of the show. Regardless of what either of them think, though, we should probably do what makes best sense for the encyclopedia. I'm not sure if the the content of each "webisode" is enough to merit a whole "episode" article. I like the fact that this current format maintains the standard layout (summary, questions, analysis, notes) and grouping them together gives it enough meat to fill it out. It'd be a harder call if each of the webisodes had a title, but lacking that they fall neatly into the current format. I'm not dead set against separate articles (heck, we've got some really small ones), but unless this grows out of control it looks ok to me. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:04, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

== Cast and References ==
The references is a bit confusing. Cally [1][2] is for episode 1 and 4... Maybe it's different with Firefox, but right now I'm with IE. So, if we keep the references, we can create something like the wiki '''TvIV''' is using for the characters. Ex:

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
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| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally]]
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| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
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| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
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I think that way we keep the references in the order they appeared and create a kind of Timeline for the entire Webisode. And no more confusion. What do you think? --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 14:17, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:28, 18 September 2006 (CDT)
:Agreed. Good idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:48, 18 September 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer ==
In episode 7, before Number Five asks Jammer if he can refer to him as James or if he prefers Jammer, he refers to him as Mr..., I think he said Mr. Lynom. I listened to it a number of times and it's hard to make out but I am wondering if anybody else caught it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:44, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:See [[Talk:Jammer]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:29, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

== Number Five's comment in Episode 7 ==
I don't think that he asks Jammer "Can I call you James or Jim?" as was placed in the notes, I believe the correct dialog is "Can I call you James or do you prefer Jammer?" I want to change that on the article page but want verification first. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:33, 26 September 2006 (AST)
:You are probably right. The audio, especially Doral, sucked on this episode. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:41, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::He said "Jim" not "Jammer," I just listened to it a moment ago, I'll go confirm it. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:42, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Never mind, got it backwards, he definately said Jammer. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::::No, Definitely, I listened to it again and he did for a certainty say Jammer not Jim. I am going to change it. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:11, 26 September 2006 (AST)

== Episode 9 ==

Hello. I'm new here. I just added in a synopsis of the ninth webisode. Hopefully it's up to snuff. Any pointers on writing conventions here would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did a delightful job; that was some might fine prose. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:48, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Hello Alpha! Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! Thank you for your fine contributions so far! I personally look forward to future contributions from you! In response to your request for pointers, check out Battlestar Wiki's [[BW:SC|Standards and Conventions]], as well as our [[BW:SP|Spoiler]] and [[BW:CJ|Citation]] policies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:53, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
:It looks good to me as well. Thanks for your contribution. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:12, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

Okay - I'm new here, but I just listened to Episode 9 and it sounds like he says "a little bird told me" not "Boomer told me" (which makes more sense, since Boomer should still be on the Galactica). Can someone else confirm/deny this? [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:16, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:yeah - I just listened to it several times to make sure - he clearly (but quickly) says "little bird told me" - Not boomer. Changing the main page. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, I'll be. That's the second time I've misheard something in these webisodes. I listened to it several times before, and it always sounded like Boomer. And everyone else I talked to heard Boomer. But I'll be damned if he's not saying "little bird". Dang, I really loved the implications of Boomer telling him. Which could definitely happen, as she's on New Caprica (Sharon's on Galactica). Even if she wasn't working with The Resistance, it made sense to me that she might contact the Chief to tell him his friend had been arrested. But alas, that plot twist is no more. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:: I get Sharon and Boomer mixed up all the time - oh, well. It was hard to tell what he said exactly at first, but since it's three syllables and consists of mostly hard consonants and short vowels (whereas Boomer is two syllables and has a long vowel sound and a soft consonat sound), I got curious and listened to it several times. He says it so quickly it's somewhat muffled, but it's clearly "little bird" once you figure out what he's saying.[[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:56, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::No, no, no. I've listened again and again and heard nothing but "Boomer". It's one word and clearly starts with a B, clearly followed by an "ooh", clearly followed by a "mer". I've tried to hear it as "rumor" or "little bird" and failed. And I believe she informed Tyrol about the release, the arrest would have been public knowledge. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:55, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: none - please listen again - the syllable count and consanant sounds do not fit Boomer. It seems some fans are too willing to hear what they want to hear. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 11:58, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::(This should have been hear) I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Can we just leave off who told him until we hear [[BW:OC|some word]]? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:00, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::: Good idea - my wife insists he's saying "ol' grover told me". I have no idea now. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 12:02, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::: I listened a couple more times and it's still "Boomer". I could almost believe it was "bird" (no "little", just "bird") except that there's an M in it. There really is. Leaving off until we hear from Ngarenn does indeed seem sensible, Steelviper. That's why I removed that part when I edited it. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:06, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::: I'm pretty sure I heard Boomer, as well. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:17, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::: I'm so sure I head "Boomer" that I have difficulty assuming good faith here. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 13:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Agree. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Now, now. As certain as I am that it's "Boomer", I'm sure Rabidwolfe's edits were in good faith. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:59, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::The [http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2191836&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD transcripts] posted at Sciffy began as "rumor" then shifted towards "Boomer". "Boomer" is what I heard initially. Really, this is an example that could be easily cleared up by Mr. Thompson. Worst case (if he doesn't respond) we could do the audio analysis ala "Narcho". If it's "rumor", or "a little bird", or any other generic external source then it's not of much signifance. As mentioned in the OC question, it's only noteworthy if it is in fact "Boomer". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:11, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::Those transcripts are done by fans, unfortunately. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::::::Well, right. As an RDM podcast transcriber, I recognize the fan transcripts for what they are, and realize that they are subject to error. I was just harnessing the "extra ears" to get a feel for what others heard. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::OK, now I'm extremely confused. I listened like a half dozen times when RapidWolfe first brought this up, and at the time, I definitely heard "little bird." He said it quickly, kinda slurred, but I swear Tyrol said it. Now I read the whole big discussion here and try listening again. I can't make heads or tails of it, because now I can't hear anything but Boomer. Apparently I'll hear whatever I'm told to. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 15:30, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::: I'm sorry - I was sure it was little bird. I promise if it is Boomer, I'll eat crow or whatever. FWIW, I just had three random friends who don't watch BSG listen to it, and the three answers they told me were: "the colonel", "rumor" and "colonel." I'm now as confused as anyone else. [[User:Rabidwolfe|Rabidwolfe]] 15:57, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

===Spectrogram===
If someone can get me a WAV or AIFF of the audio in question, I can analyze it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:40, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Jammer's Role ==

I just need to say that it's good to see Jammer playing such a large role in the webisodes, and he's become one of my more favored characters due to what we've seen of him in the webisodes. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:10, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

: I would have to agree. I've mainly noticed Jammer because of the Cylon speculation page, but he was barely in the series; The Resistance has given him some great development. I expect he'll develop similarly to Cally in Season Two: a recognizable tertiary character suddenly gets major exposure and is catapulted to secondary status. Jammer is awesome, and I can't wait to see where he goes in Season Three (even though the trailers have already given me far too good an idea).

:I'm also glad Duck is getting developed in the webisodes, but so far his storyline in The Resistance hasn't quite been as interesting. Hopefully episode 10 will give us more delightful Duck and Jammer goodness. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:23, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

::I posted a question at [[BW:OC]] just to make it 100% sure. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Frankie, I think you meant to post that in the Episode 9 section :) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 11:42, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes DUH!. I'll copy it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:03, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hyperlinks to the episodes ==

Shane, I'm just curious, why did you remove the hyperlinks to specific webisodes? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:38, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

== Unfinished ==
Due to the discussions about having problems hearing certain things, look at this [http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=7769 interview]. It looks like that the webisodes were unfinished, especially the sound mixing. May want to import some of this to the actual article itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)