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Daybreak, Part II

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{{Episode Data
| image=Daybreak Teaser.jpg
| title= Daybreak, Part II & Part III
| season= 4
| episode= 20
| guests=
| writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]<ref>http://rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Entries/2008/4/18_Podcast_Success!.html</ref>
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production=422
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| US airdate=March 20, 2009 <ref>http://tv.ign.com/articles/920/920164p1.html</ref>
| CAN airdate=March 20, 2009
| UK airdate=March 24, 2009
| dvd=
| population=
| prev=[[Daybreak, Part I]]
| next=[[The Plan]]
| extra='''Series Finale - 2 Hour Episode'''<ref>http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html</ref>
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== Overview ==

===Act 1===

* The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].
* In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.
* Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar<ref>This is a side reference to the events of the episode, "[[Hero]]"</ref> Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.

* Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].
* Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.

* Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.
* Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. "The night's young. Apparently, so are you," she says. "Let's see what happens."

* Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.

* Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.

* Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.

* The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.
* He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.

===Act 2===

* In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.

* In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.

* Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].

* Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, "start throwing rocks," he says with a small smile.

* The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.
* The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].

* Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.
* In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. "Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock," Tigh quips. "Take too much time," Adama answers.
* With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.
* Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.
* Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.

===Act 3===

* A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].
* Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.
* Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.
* [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].
* Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.
* In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.
* Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.

* The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.
* With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.
* ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.
* Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock.
* [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.
* [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.
* The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.

* Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.
* Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.

===Act 4===

* The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.
* [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.

* In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. "All of the pieces are falling into place."
* The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.
* With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.

* The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she "owed him one." With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.
* A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.

* Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.

* Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, "Stopped for coffee."<ref>This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.</ref> With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.

* ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.

===Act 5===

* Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.
* Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.
* Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.
* Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.
* Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.
* As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.
* Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.
* Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has been visited by angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God (RDM)| Virtual Six once told him]]), "God is not on anyone's side." The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.
* Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.
* Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.

===Act 6===

* Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.
* The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.
* But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see "certain things" of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. "I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!"
* The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.
* Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.
* As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated "[[Frak]]!" before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.

* High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.
* The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.
* Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.
* She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.

* A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.

* ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.
* "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.
* But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.

===Act 7===

* The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.
* Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.
* On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.
* At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.

* Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.
* A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.
* Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.

* Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, "I'll see you on the other side."

===Act 8===

* Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.
* He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].
* As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, "Are you a Cylon?" and "Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?" Adama is angered and leaves, saying, "I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word."
* Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.

* Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.
* As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.

* Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.

===Act 9===

* On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. "A very beautiful world," she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, "Earth is a dream," believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.
* Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.
* Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of "[[Nothing but the rain]]" before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.

* Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. "I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good."

* A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.

* "Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee," Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. "Goodbye, Kara," he says. "You won't be forgotten."
* A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.

* In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.

* Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. "So much..life," Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.
* Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.
* In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. "Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there," he says, pointing to some hills.

===Act 10===

* A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.
* The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.

* Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, "God's plan is never complete." "Great..." Baltar replies sullenly.
* Virtual-Baltar counters, "I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful."

* Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to "peek" into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].

* When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Julius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.

* Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. "I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."
* As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.

* The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.

* As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind.

* As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.

* The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.

* "You know it doesn't like that name," Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. "Silly. Silly me," he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.

* The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of "[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]" plays.

== Notes ==
*A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th <ref>http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html</ref>. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" and "[[Rapture]]".
*Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. <ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}</ref>
*There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in "[[Daybreak, Part I]]" before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.
**A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arrival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies, and Kara Thrace vanishes without a trace. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,404. This does not include the unknown number of humanoid Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors.
*With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.
*There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:
** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans.
**Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields).
**Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.
**The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.
**Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.
**The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.
**The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.
**The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.
** At the beginning of the series, William Adama divorces his wife soon after returning to Colonial military service. At the end of the series, Adama abandons all trappings of the military to be with his unofficial wife Laura Roslin, upon whose finger he puts his wedding ring just after she dies.
**This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being "Poetic justice" and Lee Adama's "What goes around, comes around" since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies.
*Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six.
*This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her current whereabouts are unknown. In detail:
**Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.
**Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.
***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.
**Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by an asteroid fragment penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by an asteroid.
**Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.
**Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun.
**Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor.
**Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted.
**Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her.
*The fate of numerous supporting characters remains unrevealed, including [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]], last seen flying his Viper back to ''Galactica'' after the initial cease fire, numerous mutineers such as [[Diana Seelix]], and others such as Doc Cottle's nurse. The episode also never touches on what became of [[Cult of Baltar|Baltar's cult]], including founding member [[Jeanne]] who is absent from the finale entirely.
**Since we didn't see them volunteer in the hanger deck nor they were depicted in the attack it is a fair assumption Seelix didn't volunteer. Ishay, Cottle's "nurse" was on Galactica away from the fighting she was last seen triaging with Roslin. Unless she did something like hit her head hard while being thrown to the deck by a severe explosion, it is very likely that she survived. On the other hand, no mention of Hot Dog's death was said if it occurred. Given the precedent of Galen Tyrol's incarceration not being mentioned for an episode it is not certain he is dead or alive. The Cult of Baltar including Jeanne, Paulla, and Tracy Anne stayed behind on the Baseship which stayed with the fleet.
*The recurring subplot involving the faction called the [[Sons Of Ares]], in particular its growing conflict with the [[Cult of Baltar]], is not resolved.
**The rivalry between the Cult of Baltar and the Sons of Ares lives and doings where disrupted by the evacuation of Galactica and the resettlement on New Earth. They would have a hard time resuming their activities in all the confusion.
*This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.
*The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.
*Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.
*Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.
*The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely maternal one).
** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants.
** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have had daughters to pass on her (Human-Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.
*The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.
*The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defense Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.
*When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.
*The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, "Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe", W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.
*The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.
**It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.
*Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingos flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice, the TV series in which Edward James Olmos co-starred.
*The news network covering the story "Advances in Robotics" as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.
*Although many of the magazines on the newsstand appear familiar, close examination reveals that at least some have made-up names. A magazine that appears at first glance to be ''Sports Illustrated'' is actually ''Sports Limited''. Also, although the magazine read by Angel Six and Baltar (and Ronald Moore) closely resembles ''National Geographic'', at no time is the complete title of the magazine or its full logo actually shown on screen.

== Analysis ==

*The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that

:1 = C#
:2 = D
:3 = E
:(4 = F#)
:5 = G#
:6 = A
:(7 = B)

:The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second "five" (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.
*The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.
*Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.
*It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the "Notes" section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded.
*On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City.
*The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.
*The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].
* There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof).
* In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.
* Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.
* Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.
* The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.
* The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the "Big Dipper") appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" (Orion is also visible in this episode).
* Adama's statement that New Earth is "one million light years" from Kobol must be taken as exaggeration or an error. The Milky Way is 100 000 light years across, and earlier statements in the show indicate that it considerable time to travel much shorter distances.
** It's possible that Adama's "million light years" comment is meant metaphorically instead of literally, in essence saying the Colonials have come an unthinkable distance to reach their new home.
*Cavil's suicide, in the way it is framed and executed, closely mirrors the televised 1987 suicide of American politician [[w:Budd Dwyer|Budd Dwyer]].

== Questions ==
* What becomes of the Centurions?
** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?
** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?
** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?
* Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)
**It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.
*The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?
**Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.
* Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?
** [[RDM]] has stated <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref> that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: "I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself."
* What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?
** Since the Fleet's baseship with its liberated Centurion crew is seen departing for parts unknown, perhaps they united.
* Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?
* If "it" doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does "it" like to be called?
** This is a possible reference to the numerous other names attributed to God by different religions.
* Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?
** Adama and the others may have eventually destroyed the Raptors, or perhaps program them to leave Earth's orbit towards the Sun on autopilot to prevent any chance of Colonial Technology from being discovered.
* Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?
** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.
* Will humanity repeat the Cycle?
* Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?
* Can Thrace ever return again?
* Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?
* Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?
* Were Caprica Six and Baltar "supposed" to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?
* Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?
* Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?
** They likely needed a "neutral" party and had no time to hold an election. Also, a bond of trust had been established between Lee Adama and Romo in previous episodes.
* What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the <i>[[Astral Queen]]</i>? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans?
* Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?
* Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?
* Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?
** It appears that there was a faction of Cylons who did not accept the Final Five's offer to have humanoid models built for them, so it stands to reason they were the most "pure" Cylons following their own path and would not want to share human DNA.
* How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?
* Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?
* Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?
* Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)
** No because what we deem a modern human is in fact a mixture of Colonial human and Humanoid Cylon.
* Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?
* Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?
* Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis)
* Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?
* Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?
* Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?
* How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?
**New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?
*** Possibly gross exaggeration (similar to "a million miles from home") of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occurred during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away. The diameter of the Milky Way galaxy is 100.000 lightyears and the fleet never leaves this galaxy.
* Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?
* In what part of Earth (a northerly island with "highlands") did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?
** Scotland, according an interview with RDM <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>
* What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she "jump" to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?
* In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the "harbinger of death" that would lead humanity to its "end"?
** The pure Human and pure Cylon races both came to an end due to Starbuck's part in bringing them together. Furthermore, she helped bring about the apparent death of the Cycle.
* How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?
* In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?
* During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.
**The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.
* Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?
* Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?
**As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.
** What Saul and Bill discuss is not necessarily fact; they don't know everything about the Cylons and characters are often seen speculating throughout the show in ways that have turned out to be false. For eg. in Season 1, some were scared people had been "replaced" by Cylons, which never happens.
** Ellen said John Cavil was once a boy, but this is not necessarily literal.
***It is not. The [[Significant Eight]] were never physically children. Ellen was referring to their emotional level of maturity when they first emerged.
* Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?
**If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want "justice" for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.
Considering these old centurions were sentient before Cavil was created it's highly unlikely Cavil was able to equip them with telecephalic inhibtors. These centurions probably were treated as equals by the humanoid cylons and were allowed to live with them on the colony until they broke down.
* Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?
* Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?
* Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?
* Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?
* How will Lee explain Kara's sudden disappearance to those at his settlement?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Virtual Baltar says the last line of the series as he walks down a street of modern day New York City with Virtual Six:''
:'''Virtual Baltar''': "Silly Me.....silly, silly me".

*''The Galactica is about to jump to The Colony and into harms way:''

:'''Admiral Adama''': Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'' has seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.

*''The Final Five are discussing things among themselves about to download the specifications of Resurrection technology. Cavil is impatient''

:'''Cavil''':"Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!

*''Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.''

:'''Cavil''': Frak!

*''Nuclear missiles has knocked the Colony falling into the Singularity and is dragging Galactica with it and Starbuck is frantically attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.''

:'''Starbuck''': There must be some kind of way out of here.

*''Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.''

:'''Virtual Baltar''': All of this has happened before...

:'''Virtual Six''': But does it all have to happen again?

*''Sam Anders, essentially Galactica's Hybrid, says his last words to Kara Thrace after she leaves his side.''

:'''Samuel Anders''': See you on the other side

*''Baltar to Caprica Six on New Earth in unspoken reference about his father''

:'''Baltar''': "You know, I know about farming." (sobs)

*''Laura Roslin is speaking to Dr. Cottle about the state of her health which both know it is grave with only a few days to live. Also, she is about to essentially go into battle to retrieve Hera and the Doctor appears to be on the verge of choking up:''

:'''Laura Roslin''': Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble."

*''Former Admiral of the Fleet William Adama is showing Laura their new home on New Earth in a Raptor. She sees a heard of grezlles stampeding at the sight of the Raptor over the lush and rich landscape and says her last words:''

:'''Roslin''': So much life...

*''William Adama is sitting on a high ridge overlooking what would later be called the African Savannah in spectacular view. Laura Roslin's grave is behind him close by and he talks to her spirit. It is his last statement in the series:''

:'''William Adama''': I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you."

*''Boomer has just given over Hera to Athena, saving her life from Cavil and Simon dissection-and both redeeming herself and condemning herself to death''

:'''Boomer''' (to Athena): Tell the old man, I owed him one.

:'''Athena''' (angrily) Doesn't change anything you did though!

:'''Boomer''' (shakes her head slightly): No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think its my last one.

:'''Starbuck''': All right this is really touching. Now can we get the frak out of here!?!

:'''Boomer''' (to Starbuck): You should know that your Raptor been destroyed. You can't go back that way.

:(Athena passes Hera to Helo)

:'''Athena''': Yeah well, that is not the plan.

:'''Starbuck''' (sardonically): Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?

:'''Athena''': Right.

:''(Athena and Boomer look each other in the eye for a moment. She raises her weapon. Boomer makes no move to escape, but stands strait head up, accepting if not welcoming her fate. Athena fires. Boomer is dead before she hits the deck.)''

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2
* [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]
* [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)

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Daybreak, Part II

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| title= Daybreak, Part II & Part III
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== Overview ==

===Act 1===

* The final episode begins with a series of events before before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Fall]].
* In a strip bar in [[Caprica City]], [[William Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Saul]] and [[Ellen Tigh]] enjoy themselves.
* Adama questions whether to take a civilian job, rather than to take command of an aged battlestar<ref>This is a side reference to the events of the episode, "[[Hero]]"</ref> Over drinks, Adama decides to take the job.

* Elsewhere on Caprica, [[Lee Adama]] is having dinner with [[Kara Thrace]] and her fiancee, [[Zak Adama]].
* Zak questions why his brother joined the [[Colonial Forces]], despite Lee's idealism and his dislike of his father. Lee simply answers that he received college funding in exchange for service.

* Elsewhere, [[Laura Roslin]] greets her date, [[Sean Allison]], at her home. After realizing he seemed familiar, Roslin finally recalls where she had seen him. Sean was a former student from years ago.
* Despite the age difference, Roslin decides to let him stay the night. "The night's young. Apparently, so are you," she says. "Let's see what happens."

* Back at the strip bar, Bill Adama challenges Saul on whether he'd take the civilian desk job. Saul doesn't answer.

* Lee Adama and Thrace manage to drag Zak back to the apartment after a night of drinking. But Thrace isn't done, and pulls out more alcohol for shots between her and Lee.

* Bill Adama is drunkenly sick, vomiting outside somewhere on the street. With a weak smile, he looks up to the stars in the night sky.

* The scene shifts back to present day on ''[[Galactica]]'', where [[Gaius Baltar]] sits in the former home of his [[Cult of Baltar|followers]], now empty.
* He listens to the [[Virtual Beings|virtual Six]], telling him to trust in [[God (RDM)|God's plan]] for him. When he asks what that plan is, she tells him that he already following it.

===Act 2===

* In ''Galactica's'' [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] (who will not be staying aboard the ship for the battle) leaves assistant [[Layne Ishay]] two injections of heavy medication to allow Laura Roslin enough lucidity and mobility for 48 hours. She thanks him sincerely, causing Cottle to be something he'd rarely been: speechless.

* In the [[pilot ready room]], [[Karl Agathon]] briefs the [[Raptor]] teams on the special nature of their rescue mission. Despite the odds, all volunteer.

* Lee Adama briefs the [[marines]] on where little Hera would likely be: deep inside the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] [[The Colony|colony]].

* Admiral Adama work out the tactics of the battle against the colony. Close-range combat; nuclear weapons and missiles will not be possible for the battlestar. He orders the gun [[battery|batteries]] to fire until exhausted, and after that, "start throwing rocks," he says with a small smile.

* The [[Final Five]] plan out what they can offer as well. As befitting a cybernetic race, they consider a tactic used by Cylons in the past. They will use [[Samuel Anders]], now effectively a [[Hybrid]] on ''[[Galactica]]'', to interface with the Colony and its Hybrids to interrupt their commands, slowing the effectiveness of the Colony's weapon systems.
* The catch is that Anders will need to be connected to the [[DRADIS]], fire control and [[C-3]] systems. They plan to take Anders and connect him inside [[CIC]].

* Admiral Adama hands over command of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Hoshi]], noting that if they aren't back from the mission in 12 hours, they will never come back.
* In CIC, Saul Tigh jokes at his old friend at the bizarre sight of a Cylon interfaced to his battlestar, gooey wires and conduit that extend over Adama's command console everywhere and into the DRADIS console. "Still not too late to flush them all out of the airlock," Tigh quips. "Take too much time," Adama answers.
* With Lee Adama staying for the attack, he appoints [[Romo Lampkin]] as President of the Twelve Colonies. He joins Admiral Hoshi on the last Raptor to leave ''Galactica'' for the baseship, the Fleet's new flagship.
* Baltar's followers get in the ship. Baltar enters, but then tells [[Paulla]] that he must stay on the ship. Lee Adama throws Baltar a weapon.
* Adding to the Battlestar's attack force, a Number Six leads a large number of [[Cylon Centurion]]s down the [[hangar deck]], some with a red sash painted on them for identification.

===Act 3===

* A shot of the Fleet shows that the rebel [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] has fully regenerated from its damage from the start of the [[Cylon Civil War]]. It is ready to lead the civilians to safety while ''Galactica'' goes hunting, retracting its [[flight pod]]s to prep for [[FTL]].
* Adama commands a ship-wide readiness report, a sort of countdown.
* Meanwhile, in sickbay, Layne Ishay prep sickbay for wounded. Laura Roslin assists as best she can.
* [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are in [[launch tube]]s. The entire Raptor squadron, armed with missiles, have been placed inside the starboard flight pod deck, amidst the ruins of the old [[Galactica Museum]].
* Gaius Baltar is a soldier protecting the hallways against borders. He is surprised to find [[Caprica-Six]] by his side.
* In CIC, Ellen Tigh signals that Anders is ready to work.
* Adama gives a final speech, a final understanding and call to arms.

* The battlestar jumps only meters from the edge of the Colony--and is immediately besieged by the Cylon batteries.
* With little time, Sam Anders attempts to make contact with the Colony Hybrids--and takes them offline, apparently by causing them to go into a state of ecstasy. Ellen warns that [[Cylon Raider]]s will appear any minute.
* ''Galactica'' responds by launching its fighter wings. The Vipers launch, and the Raptors jump directly from within the starboard pod--causing incredible damage to the pod as it vents open--but now placing themselves on the opposite side of the Colony in a flanking position.
* Adama orders the battlestar's engines at flank speed. He rams the alligator head into the Colony. ''Galactica's'' inhabitants take a beating, but so does the Colony. The Colonials have breeched it, forming an entrance. Lee Adama leads his marines and several Cylon Centurions inside from a front airlock.
* [[Sharon Agathon]] and Helo's Raptor make their way to the Colony's interior.
* [[Racetrack]] and [[Skulls]] arm their nuclear missiles, presumably to strike the colony after the rescue. But suddenly a piece of debris strikes their Raptor, killing all aboard and leaving the Raptor adrift.
* The Raptors breech another section of the Colony, and their teams enter.

* Deep inside the Colony, a [[Simon]] works on young Hera as [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] looks on in disgust. When she questions why he continues to work on Hera, the Simon explains that they maintain and superior force and numbers.
* Suddenly, Boomer assaults the Simon, snapping his neck. She takes Hera out of the room.

===Act 4===

* The Colony's halls are filled with gunfire. Cylon Centurions, including older [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Model 0005s]] fight each other as the Colonial fire teams push through.
* [[Cavil]], a [[Number Five]] and another Simon decide to go on the offensive, to attack the battlestar with their troops.

* In a hallway in ''Galactica'', ready to repel boarders, Caprica-Six and Baltar come to terms with their old relationship. As they kiss, they hear a Six's voice. "All of the pieces are falling into place."
* The Virtual Six--''and'' the Virtual Baltar--stand above them. To the surprise of Caprica-Six and Baltar, they can hear and see each of the avatars.
* With a shudder, the battlestar hull is breeched as waves of enemy Centurions, both old-model and modern, pour into the ship.

* The Agathon's team find Boomer, holding Hera. She gives the child to them, telling them to tell Admiral Adama that she "owed him one." With the child safe, Athena shoots Boomer.
* A flashback scene shows what Boomer meant: a time back in her days on '''Galactica'', as Adama and Tigh redress her but give her another chance to be a better pilot.

* Ishay has her hands full in sickbay, trying to triage and treat as many people as she can. The event is taxing, physically and mentally, for Roslin, as she comforts more dying than not.

* Lee Adama's team connects with Starbuck's team, with Hera in tow. When Lee asks where Thrace was, she answers, "Stopped for coffee."<ref>This might be the one time in the history of the series where an obvious joke to [[w:Starbucks Coffee|Starbucks Coffee]] has been used.</ref> With their objective complete and no other Colonial troops found, they head back to the battlestar's alligator-head.

* ''Galactica'' batteries are being targeted by Raiders. She is losing what little defensive ability she has left. Enemy forces are coming at the reserve forces--where Baltar waits.

===Act 5===

* Caprica-Six and Baltar hold off the enemy Centurions. Baltar's passion at killing Centurions gets a bit out of control as Lee Adama's team reenter the battlestar with Hera. As more enemies appear, Lee and Baltar fire away.
* Laura Roslin sits and experiences yet another vision of the [[Opera House]] and little Hera. Struggling to walk, driven by something she can't fully realize, she gets up to find Hera.
* Starbuck leads the Agathons through the hallways, but a Number Five appears from behind, seriously wounding Helo in the leg and killing a marine before Starbuck eliminates him. A damaged, but still functioning enemy Centurion shows up and in the confusion, Hera runs away. Athena runs after her at the request of her wounded husband.
* Hera walks amidst the gunfighting, when soon she encounters Roslin, who pulls out of the path of an enemy patrol and to safety. But when Roslin turns back to the child, she is gone again.
* Caprica-Six and Baltar are running, and are out of ammo. Suddenly they see Hera, as well as Roslin and Athena--all grouped together as in the Opera House vision. Caprica-Six scoops up the child and enters a hallway, closing the hatchway, preventing Athena and Roslin from following. The opera house vision had Caprica-Six and Baltar closing the door on boht Athena and Roslin after picking up Hera.
* As the scene shifts between visions of the Opera House and the corridors, Baltar and Caprica-Six realize what they must do: follow their vision into the Opera House--which turns out to be CIC, where the Final Five reside, overlooking the lower deck of CIC as they appeared in the vision, standing above.
* Adama and his men have apparently just finished defending the CIC from a break-in by Cavil, a Doral and a Simon. The Doral and the Simon are dead, and Cavil is under guard. An explosion rocks the CIC, and Cavil picks up a gun and grabs Hera as a shield.
* Baltar pleads for the child's freedom, telling Cavil that Hera is key to humanity's survival as well. He reasons with Cavil that there are higher forces at work, that led them all, here, for a reason. Baltar also reveals that he has been visited by angels - the agents of God. When Cavil questions if God has his people's interests at heart, on how Baltar knows that God is on his side, Baltar replies (in an allusion of something [[The Hand of God (RDM)| Virtual Six once told him]]), "God is not on anyone's side." The Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar look on with a pleased expression.
* Baltar asks Cavil to take a leap of faith. Saul Tigh sweetens the pot by offering to reteach Cavil the secret of [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]], this time in exchange not only for Hera's life but for permanent peace, where the Cylons leave humanity alone.
* Cavil agrees. He uses the Battlestar comm to order his forces to stand down and releases Hera. Admiral Adama orders stand-down as well.

===Act 6===

* Vipers and Raptors return to ''Galactica'' as the Raiders return to the Colony. Laura Roslin joins the admiral in CIC.
* The Five each know part of the secret to resurrection. They will combine their knowledge by connecting themselves through the water in Ander's tank. Ellen Tigh tells the others that the process will also share memories as well as data.
* But before they begin, [[Tory Foster]], visibly anxious, warns the others that they will see "certain things" of their bad behavior. She tries to prepare the others of what they will see of her. An impatient Cavil screams. "I don't mean to rush you, but you are keeping two civilizations waiting!"
* The Five dip their hands and make the connection. As the data flows to the Colony, Foster's visions of murdering [[Cally Tyrol]] in an effort to protect her secret of being a Cylon comes to the forefront, surprising the others of the Five, and angering [[Galen Tyrol]] immediately.
* Tyrol pulls his hand from the pool and wraps both hands tightly around Foster's neck in a death-grip, eventually snapping her neck.
* As Anders screams from the sudden disconnection, the Cylons in CIC believe they are deceived and open fire. The Colonials kill all but Cavil, who shouts an exasperated "[[Frak]]!" before putting his pistol in his mouth and pulling the trigger.

* High above, as the Raiders begin attacking ''Galactica'' again, [[Racetrack]]'s damaged Raptor drifts, its crew lifeless. A rock strikes the ship, causing Racetrack's dead hand to strike the firing button to the Raptor's tactical nuclear missiles, launching them all straight at the Colony.
* The force of the explosions severely damage the Colony, pushing it towards the black hole, threatening to take ''Galactica'' with it.
* Adama orders Kara Thrace to make a [[blind jump]], but Thrace thinks about [[The Music|the music her father played]], the music that Hera wrote to her. Recalling the mathematical associations she tried to discern from the music, Thrace realizes the music works as a series of FTL coordinates.
* She punches in the coordinates into the [[Computers|navigation computer]] and jumps the ship.

* A flashback scene appears where Lee Adama and Kara Thrace talk about how she [[The Destiny|thinks about death]] every time she gets into a cockpit.

* ''Galactica'' completes the jump--but the strain of the last battle causes the battlestar's structure to ripple and twist as structural members tear and break. The ship will never jump again. Engines and life support are still online, but ''Galactica's'' backbone is broken.
* "Where have you taken us, Kara?" Roslin asks, as the scene changes to an exterior shot to show the battlestar flying over a gray, rocky moon.
* But is not just a moon...''Galactica'' has arrived at the ''moon of Earth''...another Earth, this one with the continent of Africa in prominent view.

===Act 7===

* The Fleet jumps into Earth orbit as ''Galactica'' passes by. A Raptor came to Hoshi to guide them to Earth.
* Landing ship after landing ship leave for the new world.
* On a green, rich savannah in Africa, Admiral Adama, Cottle, Saul Tigh, Hoshi, and Baltar look on, lying prone on their stomachs with binoculars at a tribe of early humans. Cottle confirms that the native humans are compatible with the Colonials genetically.
* At a camp, as Lampkin considers a building of a new city, Lee Adama tells him to let humanity start all over again, leave their technology behind, which has almost always gotten them into trouble. Let the Colonials enter Earth with just their basic possessions.

* Admiral Adama maps out a plan to populate various continents and land masses, spreading out humanity and Cylon far and wide, distributing supplies to give all a good chance of survival. To Lampkin's surprise, the peoples of the Fleet take a liking to leaving technology behind.
* A [[Number Two]] tells Adama that the remaining Twos, Sixes, and Eights will stay on Earth as well, handing over the baseship to the Centurions, to give them their own freedom. When Lampkin questions if setting the Centurions free won't cause another holocaust hundreds of years from now, Ellen Tigh agrees it's a risk, but believes the cycle of death has been ended. Adama agrees.
* Adama tells that, after everyone is offloaded from the ships, the Fleet will reunite with '''Galactica'' a final time. Piloted by Samuel Anders, still in his tank in CIC, connected into the battlestar, he will fly all the ships on a final voyage into the Sun.

* Kara Thrace, eyes filled with tears, meets with Anders at his tank, kissing him goodbye for the last time, and leaving her [[dog tags]]. As she leaves, he mutters, "I'll see you on the other side."

===Act 8===

* Admiral William Adama descends into the hangar deck, wearing a [[flight suit]]. The deck is otherwise completely empty of anything, and anyone.
* He takes a seat in a [[Viper Mark II]]. Not just any Mark II...but the one that Galen Tyrol's team rebuilt for him as a retirement gift [[Miniseries, Night 1|so long ago]].
* As Adama's Viper launches, the scene shifts to six years prior, where Adama is taking a lie detector test for the prospective desk job. When the test administrator asks him test questions such as, "Are you a Cylon?" and "Have you ever stolen money from a cash drawer?" Adama is angered and leaves, saying, "I'd rather spend the rest of my career--what's left of it--on a broken old down ship, than to have someone sit here and question my word."
* Husker's Viper makes a final fly-by of the old battlestar, looking at her one last time before pointing his Viper towards Earth.

* Samuel Anders' voice from the past talks of his days in sport, dreaming of perfection, and being linked to it, to creation, as Anders guides the Fleet, now united to the mathematical perfection he once spoke of through his duties as a Hybrid.
* As the [[Colonial_Anthem|Colonial Anthem]]--a version of the [[Original Series]] main theme--plays, the scene shows ''Galactica'' and the Fleet gathered a final time, heading away from Earth and towards the sun to its demise.

* Walking in the savannah, the Tighs speak with Galen Tyrol a final time. He has decided to go to the northern highlands of Earth (likely Scotland <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>). The scene shifts to the Tighs, partying back in Caprica City, once upon a time.

===Act 9===

* On the plains, Bill Adama sits with Laura Roslin, watching herds of gazelle. Her vision weakening, she tries to use her glasses with the binoculars. "A very beautiful world," she says. When she asks what the name of the planet is, Adama tells her it's Earth. He adds, "Earth is a dream," believing that their new home, a long-sought destination, deserves the name.
* Roslin's breathing becomes labored and shallow. Adama offers to give her a better look at the wildlife. He picks her up and carries her to a nearby Raptor.
* Lee Adama and Kara Thrace notice and meet Bill Adama there. The Adamas hug, and Bill Adama gives Thrace a final greeting of "[[Nothing but the rain]]" before he hugs and kisses her. Thrace and Lee wave goodbye to a smiling Roslin as the Raptor ascends.

* Lee realizes that his father isn't coming back. Kara Thrace tells Lee that she isn't coming back, either. "I just know that I am done here. I've completed my journey...and it feels good."

* A flashback scene, back in Thrace's apartment, where Thrace dares Lee to make love to her on her dining room table. But before they could do anything, the crash of a glass partially awakens Zak, causing the two to realize what they were doing. They shake hands and say goodbye.

* "Today is the first day of the rest of your life, Lee," Kara Thrace says. As Lee tells her of desire to explore and climb mountains, he turns to find that Kara Thrace has vanished, as if she were a ghost. "Goodbye, Kara," he says. "You won't be forgotten."
* A flashback scene shows the pigeon that would be trapped in Lee's apartment after his visit to Kara and Zak. It looks at Lee and flies out of the window and away.

* In another flashback from six years prior, Laura Roslin returns to stand by the side of the bed, thanks Sean Allison, but tells him that they will not meet this way again, and asks him to leave. As the man leaves, Roslin returns to her bathroom, lights a cigarette, then makes a phone call. She accepts the opportunity to work on Mayor [[Richard Adar]]'s campaign.

* Bill Adama's Raptor flies over flamingos. "So much..life," Laura Roslin says...her final words as she closes her eyes and quietly passes.
* Moments go by before Bill realizes that she is gone.
* In tears, Bill removes his wedding ring and places it on Laura's hand. "Right there...I'm going to build our cabin right there," he says, pointing to some hills.

===Act 10===

* A line of people walk into the wilderness, calm and ready to take on the world.
* The Agathons walk as well, Helo using a makeshift crutch, talking of hunting and other pleasantries. Hera runs about in play, a smile on her face.

* Gaius Baltar and Caprica-Six look on at Hera playing as the Virtual Six and Baltar reappear. When Caprica-Six questions if the protection of Hera was all that God wanted of them, the Virtual Six replies, "God's plan is never complete." "Great..." Baltar replies sullenly.
* Virtual-Baltar counters, "I think it's safe to say that, from now on, your lives will be less...eventful."

* Another flashback to Caprica City. Baltar offers Caprica-Six an opportunity to "peek" into the [[Colonial Defense Mainframe]].

* When Baltar points to some land, he recalls his heritage, and [[Junius Baltar|his father]], and that he knows a bit about farming, to a bit of tears.

* Bill Adama sits, looking out into the hills and valley. "I laid out the cabin today. It's going to have an easterly view. You should see the light that we get here. When the sun comes from behind those mountains. It's almost heavenly. It reminds me of you."
* As he speaks, the camera pans up to show Adama, seated near the cairn he built for Laura Roslin's body.

* The scene turns to show Hera playing and looking upward. Scenes of wood and desert and sea pass by in a geologic montage to reveal an Earth city--New York City--150,000 years ahead in time.

* As a fly-over of the city appears, a voice-over of Virtual-Six reads from a magazine article of the Tanzanian discovery of the bones of what scientists believe our the remains of the [[w:mitochondrial Eve|mitochondrial Eve]], the matrilineal common ancestor of mankind.

* As [[Ron D. Moore|a man reads]] about the scientific discovery, the Virtual Six and Baltar look over his shoulder at a magazine article of the news, and reveal what they know...the bones are that of Hera Agathon, born of a Cylon mother and a human father. No other people on the street appear to notice them.

* The two talk of the technology and decadence, of whether this Earth will repeat the mistakes of generations past and again become overwhelmed by their creations. The Six thinks not, believing it to be God's plan.

* "You know it doesn't like that name," Baltar says. Six only looks back in mild defiance. "Silly. Silly me," he replies as the two walk away into the metropolis.

* The episode concludes with scenes of robots, from toys to advanced automatons growing and evolving, as Jimi Hendrix's--Earth's popular version--of "[[The Music|All Along The Watchtower]]" plays.

== Notes ==
*A portion of this episode was being filmed in [[w:Kamloops| Kamloops, BC]] during the week of June 16, 2008. Local extras of all ages were utilized for this scene (or scenes) and were required to have an athletic build and a clean-cut look, or to be slim with long hair or dreadlocks. Extras were auditioned at Best Western room 137 (in Kamloops) on June 12th <ref>http://www.bclocalnews.com/bc_thompson_nicola/kamloopsthisweek/entertainment/19788509.html</ref>. The rural area surrounding Kamloops was previously utilized to depict the [[algae planet]] in "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" and "[[Rapture]]".
*Although Part I had a runtime of one hour, Part II will run for two hours. An even longer cut of Daybreak will later be released on DVD. <ref>{{cite_news|first=|last=|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/07/talking-battles.html|title=Talking 'Battlestar Galactica's' finale, 'Caprica' and the 'Battlestar' TV movie with Ron Moore}}</ref>
*There was no final population count given after the engagement with the Cavil forces. However, there were no reported deaths by accident or violence before the engagement so the population count is most likely the same as it was in "[[Daybreak, Part I]]" before the attack on the Cylon Colony, 39,516.
**A new population count post-engagement is given in the separate iTunes release of Daybreak, Part III. The count is 39,406, putting Colonial casualties from the battle at 110. Then shortly after their arrival on New Earth former President of the 12 Colonies of Kobol Laura Roslin dies, and Kara Thrace vanishes without a trace. From this we can derive that the number of people settled on New Earth is 39,404. This does not include the unknown number of humanoid Cylons from the Baseship (which probably was never stated) and possibly Athena and the remaining three of the Final Five who aren't considered human survivors.
*With the ramming of [[The Colony]] by ''Galactica'' Hera's prophetic [[Projection]] at the very beginning of [[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]] came true. In her projection as she was playing on ''Galactica'''s tactical light table with the models of ''Galactica'', three Baseships and three Cylon Raiders, she rammed a model Baseship with the model of ''Galactica''.
*There is a poetic ring to the nature of the conflict of the Second Cylon War:
** It began with the Cylon attack on Colonies nearly wiping out mankind. It ended with the Colonial attack on the Cylon Colony very likely wiping out the Cylons who didn't join with the humans.
**Shortly after the Cylon attack on Caprica, Baltar -- having unintentionally brought about the near-annihilation of the human species -- flees Caprica when Karl Agathon gives him his place on a Raptor, feeling that his own life is less important to save than a famed scientist's. But at the end of the series, it is Baltar who puts his own life at risk for the sake of saving Agathon's daughter Hera and expresses concern for her future well being to the very end of the series (both ends of this parallel occur in wide open fields).
**Agathon and Cylon Sharon Valerii are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.
**The earliest known detail we see of Gaius Baltar's life is his effort to break away from his family history as farmers, and his shame over his heritage. The last event we see in his embrace of a new beginning as a farmer.
**Baltar and Number Six are seen together near the very beginning of the series and near the very end.
**The earliest event we see from Laura Roslin's life (retroactively) is the death of her sisters, killed during transit. The last event of her life that we see is her own death, which occurs during transit.
**The series began with Galactica's scheduled decommissioning and ends with its actual decommissioning.
**The series begins with a selfish decision Baltar makes (to give Caprica Six access to military mainframes) that nearly destroys Colonial humanity. It ends with a selfless decision Baltar makes (to fulfill his destiny in saving Hera) that gives Colonial humanity a new start in the form of Hera.
** At the beginning of the series, William Adama divorces his wife soon after returning to Colonial military service. At the end of the series, Adama abandons all trappings of the military to be with his unofficial wife Laura Roslin, upon whose finger he puts his wedding ring just after she dies.
**This poetic ring is also in line with [[Romo Lampkin]]'s observation of him being President of it being "Poetic justice" and Lee Adama's "What goes around, comes around" since Lampkin originally pushed him to be a politician. Indeed, the Cylons were revisited by the destruction they wrought on the human Colonies.
*Gaius Baltar, with deliberate aforethought, gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door to the Colonial defenses. He still did not know Caprica Six was a Cylon, but he did commit willful corporate espionage knowing he would be punished for it if caught. Previously Baltar's giving of Caprica Six the secrets was implied-or at least inferred-to be from naive vanity to impress his girlfriend Caprica Six.
*This episode marks the deaths of [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], [[John Cavil]], [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]], [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]], [[Tory Foster]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Laura Roslin]] and the destruction of Cavil's forces. The [[Doral]] and [[Simon]] lines are also presumably wiped out, or at least decimated beyond recovery. [[Kara Thrace]], having fulfilled her purpose, vanishes without a trace and her current whereabouts are unknown. In detail:
**Boomer was killed by [[Athena]] in revenge for taking [[Hera]], sleeping with [[Helo]] and beating her in the lavatory.
**Cavil took his own life in Galactica's CIC when his side lost.
***It is unknown what happened to the other members of the Cavil/Number One line. The death of only a single Cavil is depicted.
**Racetrack and Skulls's Raptor was struck by an asteroid fragment penetrating their wind screen and striking them. Both Skulls and Racetrack were killed on impact. Racetrack's dead hand later hit the launch button that launched the nuclear missiles after her Raptor was hit again by an asteroid.
**Tory was killed by [[Galen Tyrol]] in revenge for Tory killing his wife [[Cally]] after he learned Tory murdered her during the mutual and involuntary exchange of private information of the [[Final Five]]'s minds while downloading Resurrection technology data to the Cavil forces.
**Anders guided himself in ''Galactica'' and the Fleet into the Sun.
**Roslin died of cancer as Adama was giving her a bird's eye view of their new home on second Earth in a Raptor.
**Since they did not have either Cylon females or Resurrection technology the Cavil, Simon and Doral models on the various Cylon Baseships presumably died out after their natural life spans were exhausted.
**Kara was presumably taken by the same force, stated to be God by [[Virtual Six]], that resurrected her.
*The fate of numerous supporting characters remains unrevealed, including [[Brendan Costanza|Hot Dog]], last seen flying his Viper back to ''Galactica'' after the initial cease fire, numerous mutineers such as [[Diana Seelix]], and others such as Doc Cottle's nurse. The episode also never touches on what became of [[Cult of Baltar|Baltar's cult]], including founding member [[Jeanne]] who is absent from the finale entirely.
**Since we didn't see them volunteer in the hanger deck nor they were depicted in the attack it is a fair assumption Seelix didn't volunteer. Ishay, Cottle's "nurse" was on Galactica away from the fighting she was last seen triaging with Roslin. Unless she did something like hit her head hard while being thrown to the deck by a severe explosion, it is very likely that she survived. On the other hand, no mention of Hot Dog's death was said if it occurred. Given the precedent of Galen Tyrol's incarceration not being mentioned for an episode it is not certain he is dead or alive. The Cult of Baltar including Jeanne, Paulla, and Tracy Anne stayed behind on the Baseship which stayed with the fleet.
*The recurring subplot involving the faction called the [[Sons Of Ares]], in particular its growing conflict with the [[Cult of Baltar]], is not resolved.
**The rivalry between the Cult of Baltar and the Sons of Ares lives and doings where disrupted by the evacuation of Galactica and the resettlement on New Earth. They would have a hard time resuming their activities in all the confusion.
*This episode also marks the destruction of the ''Galactica'' and her Fleet.
*The Raiders are seen using missiles for the first time since the Fall of the Twelve Colonies.
*Apparently contrary to previous information, ''Galactica'' executes a successful jump with her flight pods extended. It is unclear why on previous occasions the pods needed to be retracted prior to jumping, or why the Cylons targeting the pods in the mini-series battle would have crippled the ship. However, when ''Galactica'' comes out of the jump a Viper can be seen being hurled clear from the ship, which is presumably why retracting the pods is advisable. It is also possible that the strain of jumping with the pods extended contributed to ''Galactica'''s structural failure.
*Humanity, along with the Cylons, finally reaches its new homeworld, names it Earth, and the humans of today are the distance descendants of Hera.
*The tracing of the human blood line through [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial DNA|Mitochondrial DNA]] to a common ancestor and dubbing her [[wikipedia:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] is a real theory. Mitochondrial Eve was the ''matrilineal most recent common ancestor'', the most recent person in the female line that all of humanity can be said to be from. In other words, Hera is everybody's mother's mother's ... mother's mother. This does NOT imply that she is the only ancestor of modern humans. In fact, it implies that each female alive at the time either has no surviving descendants, or is ALSO a common ancestor (though not a purely maternal one).
** In the series, Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, meaning that all of modern humanity is a combination of Colonial humanity and Cylon, although there maybe ancestors of native New Earth in the current population from the male line of descendants.
** The fossilized remains are said to be of a young woman, indicating Hera does not live to see a middle age, though she has children before she dies. Specifically, she must have had daughters to pass on her (Human-Cylon) mitochondrial DNA.
*The Centurions are granted full independence and subsequently depart in the rebel Baseship to pursue their own destiny. Their status 150,000 years later remains a mystery. The Colonials and humanoid Cylons believe it is unlikely they will be a threat, as they have no reason to bear a grudge this time around.
*The ''[http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Kodiak Kodiak]'', the command ship of the Global Defense Initiative (GDI) faction from the computer game ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer:_Tiberian_Sun Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun]'' is seen among the fleet in one establishing shot.
*When ''Galactica'' and the Fleet fly into the Sun, only 15 ships can be seen when at least 35 ships were still in the Fleet during the Mutiny, and upwards of 90 after the events of the mini-series. However, establishing shots of the Fleet rarely show more than a dozen ships in one shot regardless, and the implication is that the entire Fleet was destroyed.
*The final scene, like most of the rest of the series, was filmed in Vancouver, BC, and not in New York City at all. In the final scene with Angel Baltar and Six, "Bread Garden Bakery and Cafe", W Pender St, and Dunsmuir St are visible, all of which are within a couple blocks of each other along Granville St in downtown Vancouver. [http://tinyurl.com/crgd2x] Furthermore, a bus passes by just before the credit, sporting the colors of the Coast Mountain Bus Company.
*The Centurion Model 0005 in the museum case is a retcon. In the [[Miniseries]], it was an Original Series costume, with the black skirt and non-exposed joints. In this episode, it is a CGI First War Centurion 0005 with exposed joints and no black skirt.
**It is not explained why the museum flight pod is shown to be in nearly pristine condition when, in addition to four years of battles and the atmosphere-drop over New Caprica, a Cylon Heavy Raider crashed through the overhead window and crushed several of the exhibits in ''[[Scattered]]''. Repairing the museum and exhibits would have seemed to be a low priority during subsequent events.
*Reference (possibly intentional) is made to Olmos' earlier work: Adama's flushing of flamingos while flying a Raptor is reminiscent of the flamingos flushing during the opening credits of Miami Vice, the TV series in which Edward James Olmos co-starred.
*The news network covering the story "Advances in Robotics" as Angel Baltar and Six pass by is [http://www.msnbc.com MSNBC], the 24 hour news network arm of the NBC Universal media conglomerate which also owns the SyFy Channel (at the time the SciFi Channel), which produces ''Battlestar Galactica'' and airs the series in the United States.
*Although many of the magazines on the newsstand appear familiar, close examination reveals that at least some have made-up names. A magazine that appears at first glance to be ''Sports Illustrated'' is actually ''Sports Limited''. Also, although the magazine read by Angel Six and Baltar (and Ronald Moore) closely resembles ''National Geographic'', at no time is the complete title of the magazine or its full logo actually shown on screen.

== Analysis ==

*The coordinates that Thrace enters, 1123 / 6536 / 5321 correspond to the notation of the Final Four theme [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/theme-watchtower.jpg]. The song is in a C# Phrygian scale (enharmonic with A major and F# minor). 1 represents C#, and each higher integer indicates the next note in the scale, such that

:1 = C#
:2 = D
:3 = E
:(4 = F#)
:5 = G#
:6 = A
:(7 = B)

:The linked graphic omits the first and last note of the theme, but both can be heard in the soundtrack during the jump montage. The second "five" (in the third chunk of four digits) corresponds to the tuplet G#/A/G#, effectively omitting the trill up to high A. Every note has the same duration except for the last two, which are twice the length of the others.
*The Virtual Beings are angels of God who came to guide Baltar and Caprica Six in their destiny of protecting Hera.
*Kara Thrace is an angel who was sent back from the dead to guide humanity to a new home the coordinates of which were hidden in The Music.
*It is possible that some Baseships of Ones, Fours, and Fives were not at the [[Colony]] when it was destroyed, given the fact that they were observed jumping in and out of the system by Racetrack and Skulls. However, as noted in the "Notes" section it is unlikely that the Cavil, Simon and Doral lines will continue without Cylon females. The [[Three]]s are extinct with the last copy [[D'Anna Biers]] herself dying on the original Earth; Boomer was killed in the Colony (and in anycase couldn't single handedly save the lines even if she were alive); and the last Sixes and Eights staying with the humans on the second Earth. However, there is the possibility of having a few remaining human females from the survivors of the various Colonial worlds including [[Caprica]], if they still exist, being viable, so the lines could in theory continue. However, given the total lack of success in the forced breeding of Cylons and humans and the Cavil, Dorals and Simon's cynical view of love, an apparent requirement of conception between both Cylon-Cylon and Cylon-human combinations, with their hatred of humans it is unlikely. One final option could remain. The Final Five was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction before Tyrol in his rage at Tory broke the connection. It is possible that the Cavil faction could extrapolate from the data they did get to recreate the technology. How long this could take or even if it is possible depends on how much and/or if the most critical and unique part of the technology was downloaded.
*On the second Earth Hera's mate that produced children was most likely human. Saul Tigh and the Leobens would be too old for her. While it was fairly common in ancient times for the men to be far older than their brides (particularly with royalty), for example with the female being as young as 12 and the male being say 60 to take an extreme. However, Colonial mores, which are much like our own in real life, would forbid the Leobens from sexual congress with Hera when she reach the accepted reproductive age. On the other hand there were many human children about her age and [[Boxey (RDM)|slightly older]] in the Fleet. She could had also had children with a human child unborn at the time of the landing on Second Earth, perhaps within five years to ten years of her age. It is possible that other hybrid children could had been born after the landing given that the Twos, Sixes, and Eights joined the humans. And it is possible that pure Cylon children could had been born to the age compatible Sixes, Eights, and Leobens but as noted in the series it is difficult if not impossible for a pure Cylon child to come to term making any pool of pure Cylon children that were successfully born-if any-very small. Cylon-Human mating with a human male with a Six or a Sharon is very possible with the example of Hera herself is an much more likely than with a Cylon-Cylon birth, but it is still harder than with human-human pairings. This would make any children pool of those pairings, while much more likely and larger than Cylon-Cylon offspring, would still quite small number compared to pure human offspring frequency of birth. Therefore Hera's offspring is most likely with a human. A more remote possibility is with another Cylon-human hybrid. Her producing children with a pure Cylon offspring is the least likely of the three since pure Cylons are the least likely to exist. Throw in the possibility is Hera mating with the New Earth native tribal humans males then the likely hood of Hera having a child with a human is very likely.
*[[Ronald D. Moore]] appears as himself holding a ''National Geographic'' magazine in New York City.
*The shelters erected by the Colonials on Earth resemble [[Wikipedia:Quonset hut|Quonset huts]], World War II-era temporary structures.
*The final scenes of this episode, in fast-forwarding through time and attempting to set the entire work as a backstory, make the ending similar to that of the film [[Wikipedia:How the West Was Won (film)|How the West Was Won]].
* There are at least two distinct angels. They have known each other long and born witness to Kobol and the original Earth, as well as the Twelve Colonies and the new Earth. They can walk around and observe events even when no one else present can see them, though they may have the ability to appear to anyone they wish. In the final scene, a man walking by the Angel Six appears to check her out (though this may have been a simple acting goof).
* In another piece of irony, the two beings most directly responsible for the attack and destruction of the 12 Colonies, Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six, get to live on a lush green New Earth in love with each other.
* Even if humanity does repeat the cycle, Lee Adama's plan would seem to have had some success, because it will have taken much, much longer to do so this time around.
* Ellen says that hopefully the Hybrids will ''still'' respond to Anders' commands. In other words, they would recognize him from the time the Final Five ran the Colony.
* The Final Five can be considered ancestors of present-day humanity because they created Athena and the other Eights, Twos, and Sixes.
* The constellation [[w:Ursa Major|Ursa Major]] (commonly known as the "Big Dipper") appears briefly in this episode. It makes only the second appearance of a recognizable star pattern in the series, the first being Orion in "[[The Ties That Bind]]" (Orion is also visible in this episode).
* Factual Error: Starbuck jumps Galactica 1 million Lightyears to earth; Our Galaxy's diameter is 100.000 Ly, and the next galaxy (Andromeda) is 2.500.000 Ly away from the Milky way. So Galactica would end up in the big nothing inbetween both galaxies. If the 12 colonies were believed to be originally seated in Andromeda this would make the error even worse. (All starcharts they find or see on their way to earth contradict this, too, and the distance travelled would still be too short that way around.)
*Cavil's suicide, in the way it is framed and executed, closely mirrors the televised 1987 suicide of American politician [[w:Budd Dwyer|Budd Dwyer]].

== Questions ==
* What becomes of the Centurions?
** Do they go after the remnants of Cavil's forces, or go their separate ways?
** Will the freed Centurions eventually develop their own humanoid forms, or develop in a completely other direction?
** If there are descendants of the Centurions 150,000 years later, do they remember their history?
* Did any copies of Cavil, Doral, or Simon survive? (See Notes)
**It is likely that some did on other baseships, as well as the likelyhood of some on the old Colonial planets.
*The [[Final Five]] was able to download some of the Resurrection technology data to the Cavil Faction Cylons before [[Galen Tyrol]] in his rage over discovering [[Cally]]'s murder by [[Tory Foster]] broke the connection. Would the surviving Cavils, Dorals, and Simons be able to rebuild Resurrection technology from extrapolating from the data they did receive?
**Unlikely, as the only copies of this data would've been on board the Colony and in the minds of the final five. As Tory died and the Colony was destroyed, none of the remaining Cylons would have access to this information.
* Why does Cavil choose to commit suicide?
** [[RDM]] has stated <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref> that the manner of Cavil's death was suggested by [[Dean Stockwell]]: "I just really think that in that moment, Cavil would realize the jig is up and it's all hopeless and just put a gun in his mouth and shoot himself."
* What becomes of the Baseships seen orbiting the Colony?
** Since the Fleet's baseship with its liberated Centurion crew is seen departing for parts unknown, perhaps they united.
* Are any other human-Cylon hybrids born on Earth, or do the Leobens, Sixes, and Sharons remain childless?
* If "it" doesn't like to be called [[God (RDM)|God]], what does "it" like to be called?
** This is a possible reference to the numerous other names attributed to God by different religions.
* Will modern humans discover remains of Colonial technology such as Raptors?
** Adama and the others may have eventually destroyed the Raptors, or perhaps program them to leave Earth's orbit towards the Sun on autopilot to prevent any chance of Colonial Technology from being discovered.
* Why do the angels still look like Baltar and Six 150,000 years later?
** It is possible that the Number Six line was based upon the appearance of the being that presented itself to Galen Tyrol and the others prior to the nuclear destruction of the first Earth, as the five modeled the new eight after people they knew, Cavil was Ellen's father etc. That said, the Angel Six may actually appear as such.
* Will humanity repeat the Cycle?
* Are Thrace and Anders together after Thrace's disappearance?
* Can Thrace ever return again?
* Do Baltar and Caprica-Six marry? Do they go into isolation like Adama and Tyrol, or will they be near a human colony?
* Since Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar genuinely love each other, do they eventually have a child?
* Were Caprica Six and Baltar "supposed" to bring about the destruction of the Twelve Colonies?
* Do Adama and Tyrol stay isolated for the rest of their lives?
* Why was Romo Lampkin chosen as President? Wouldn't a member of the Quorum of Captains have been selected?
** They likely needed a "neutral" party and had no time to hold an election. Also, a bond of trust had been established between Lee Adama and Romo in previous episodes.
* What became of the remaining prisoners aboard the <i>[[Astral Queen]]</i>? Were they sent out amongst the rest of the human population, or were all of them deposited in some geographical area completely isolated from the other humans?
* Were any of the groups provided with medicine, or medical training or at least someone with medical knowledge before spreading out among the world?
* Is God related to the Lords of Kobol or something completely different?
* Why did the First Hybrid not want humanity to follow Thrace?
** It appears that there was a faction of Cylons who did not accept the Final Five's offer to have humanoid models built for them, so it stands to reason they were the most "pure" Cylons following their own path and would not want to share human DNA.
* How many angels are there? Are the ones that resemble Six and Baltar the same as those that appeared to the Final Five and Thrace, or distinct?
* Why have angels not been appearing to the Final Five since Old Earth's destruction, only to Baltar, Six, and Thrace?
* Since the notes of All Along the Watchtower lead to Earth, do they still serve a purpose on Earth?
* Will analysis of Hera's remains reveal that she was not a normal human? (See Notes)
** No because what we deem a modern human is in fact a mixture of Colonial human and Humanoid Cylon.
* Is the evolution of humans on two planets due to the same divine hand that's been guiding other events?
* Does human life evolve on planets other than Kobol and the new Earth?
* Who did Hera eventually have children with? A human or a Cylon? (See Analysis)
* Was it coincidence or divine intervention that an asteroid caused Racetrack's hand to hit the launch button for the nuclear weapons at the exact right moment?
* Why was Galactica able to jump without retracting its [[flight pods]] when escaping from the Colony? Did this cause Galactica to break its backbone?
* Will modern humanity venture out into space and discover places such as Kobol, the original Earth, the Twelve Colonies, and New Caprica?
* How close are the two Earths? The [[Tomb of Athena]] starmap showed constellations known on the second Earth, but was supposed to have been the sky as seen from the first. Does this mean they are very close indeed?
**New Earth is apparently 1 million light years from Kobol, and old Earth had to be within 2000 light years of Kobol and the 12 Colonies, based on the Final Five not having jump drives and having to travel at sub-light relativistic speeds. That means old Earth has to be nearly 1 million light years from new Earth. If this is the case, how do the constellations line up?
*** Possibly gross exaggeration (similar to "a million miles from home") of the distances involved in their travels, when considering the lengths of time it took for the fleet to initially reach Kobol, even with the hundreds of jumps that occurred during 33; and then the further time to reach the first Earth 2000 light years away. The diameter of the Milky Way galaxy is 100.000 lightyears and the fleet never leaves this galaxy.
* Why was Starbuck not aware of her true nature until after her role had been fulfilled?
* In what part of Earth (a northerly island with "highlands") did Galen Tyrol settle? Scotland?
** Scotland, according an interview with RDM <ref>http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/03/battlestar_galactica_ronald_d.html</ref>
* What is the nature of Starbuck's journey to the First Earth, crash, and return in the unscathed Viper? How did she "jump" to its coordinates? If her return was engineered by God to use her as an angel and bring humanity to Earth, why do so in a way that raised more questions about how it occurred than it answered?
* In what way, if any, did Starbuck fulfill her [[The Destiny|destiny]] as the "harbinger of death" that would lead humanity to its "end"?
** The pure Human and pure Cylon races both came to an end due to Starbuck's part in bringing them together. Furthermore, she helped bring about the apparent death of the Cycle.
* How did the proto-Greek polytheistic religion of the Colonies survive nearly 150,000 years before being revived in garbled form with the rise of Greek civilization? Did it die out in practice but return through the universal subconscious?
* In what way, if any, did the Cylons' monotheistic religion and the Colonies' polytheistic religion intertwine? Did they coexist peacefully, or were there conflicts? Do modern monotheistic religions trace their traditions ultimately to those of the Cylons and the [[Cult of Baltar]]?
* During the lie detector test in the flashback scene of William Adama's attempt to secure a civilian job, why did the interrogator ask him if he was a Cylon? At that point in history, it was unknown that the Cylons had humanoid appearance.
**The question was likely a control question to establish how a truthful response to an absurd question would register.
* Even after committing the fleet to destruction, there are still serviceable Raptors on the surface of Earth, which are jump-capable. Would any of the surviving humans or Cylons come to regret having settled on a primitive world without technology and decide to return to the stars in search of resources or other habitable planets? Is there any [[tylium]] available on Earth?
* Assuming that (as Tigh indicated to Adama in [[Revelations]]) the Final Five Cylons age but the rest do not, what will become of Caprica-Six, Athena, and any other survivors of the non-Final Five models? How will Helo and Baltar cope with the non-aging of their spouses as they themselves age?
**As the humanoid Cylons are biological by nature, they will age at some rate. Considering that they are nearly identical biologically to humans, they likely age at a similar rate. It is likely that they might have previously prevented the appearance of aging due to frequent resurrection. Since that is no longer an option, they would age and die like the humans do.
** What Saul and Bill discuss is not necessarily fact; they don't know everything about the Cylons and characters are often seen speculating throughout the show in ways that have turned out to be false. For eg. in Season 1, some were scared people had been "replaced" by Cylons, which never happens.
** Ellen said John Cavil was once a boy, but this is not necessarily literal.
***It is not. The [[Significant Eight]] were never physically children. Ellen was referring to their emotional level of maturity when they first emerged.
* Did the old-style [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Centurions]] on the Colony fight for Cavil because they had [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, or of their own free will? If the latter, why?
**If the old-style Cylons are still the Cylons that participated in the first Cylon war, they likely still do hold a grudge against humanity for enslaving them. Consider that Cavil has claimed in the past to want "justice" for what was done to his Centurion ancestors([[No Exit]]), and that the rebel Cylons are responsible for what could be taken as a genocide against the Cylons ([[The Hub]]), it's entirely possible that these old-style Centurions would hold a grudge against humanity and as such fight against them in an invasion of their home.
Considering these old centurions were sentient before Cavil was created it's highly unlikely Cavil was able to equip them with telecephalic inhibtors. These centurions probably were treated as equals by the humanoid cylons and were allowed to live with them on the colony until they broke down.
* Is the Adama family the origin of the name Adam for the mythical first man?
* Has any of modern Humanity inherited Hera's ability to project?
* Was there anyone like Kara Thrace in previous iterations of the cycle?
* Does the cult continue under Paulla's leadership?
* How will Lee explain Kara's sudden disappearance to those at his settlement?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Virtual Baltar says the last line of the series as he walks down a street of modern day New York City with Virtual Six:''
:'''Virtual Baltar''': "Silly Me.....silly, silly me".

*''The Galactica is about to jump to The Colony and into harms way:''

:'''Admiral Adama''': Just so there'll be no misunderstandings later... ''Galactica'' has seen a lot of history, gone through a lot of battles. This ''will'' be her last. She will not fail us if we do not fail her. If we succeed in our mission, ''Galactica'' will bring us home. If we don't... it doesn’t matter anyway.

*''The Final Five are discussing things among themselves about to download the specifications of Resurrection technology. Cavil is impatient''

:'''Cavil''':"Not to rush you or anything, but you are keeping two entire civilizations waiting!

*''Cavil's last word before he commits suicide.''

:'''Cavil''': Frak!

*''Nuclear missiles has knocked the Colony falling into the Singularity and is dragging Galactica with it and Starbuck is frantically attempting to figure out the jump coordinates.''

:'''Starbuck''': There must be some kind of way out of here.

*''Virtual Six and Virtual Baltar speculating if the cycle will continue.''

:'''Virtual Baltar''': All of this has happened before...

:'''Virtual Six''': But does it all have to happen again?

*"Sam Anders, essentially Galactica's Hybrid, says his last words to Kara Thrace after she leaves his side.''
:Samuel Anders: See you on the other side

*''Baltar to Caprica Six on New Earth in unspoken reference about his father''

:'''Baltar''': "You know, I know about farming." (sobs)

*''Laura Roslin is speaking to Dr. Cottle about the state of her health which both know it is grave with only a few days to live. Also, she is about to essentially go into battle to retrieve Hera and the Doctor appears to be on the verge of choking up:''

:'''Laura Roslin''': Don't spoil your image, just light a cigarette and go and grumble."

*''Former Admiral of the Fleet William Adama is showing Laura their new home on New Earth in a Raptor. She sees a heard of grezlles stampeding at the sight of the Raptor over the lush and rich landscape and says her last words:''

:'''Roslin''': So much life...

*''William Adama is sitting on a high ridge overlooking what would later be called the African Savannah in spectacular view. Laura Roslin's grave is behind him close by and he talks to her spirit. It is his last statement in the series:''

:'''William Adama''': I laid out the cabin. It's gonna have an easternly view. You should see the light we get here. When the sun comes from behind the mountains, it's almost heavenly. Reminds me of you."

*''Boomer has just given over Hera to Athena, saving her life from Cavil and Simon dissection-and both redeeming herself and condemning herself to death''

:'''Boomer''' (to Athena): Tell the old man, I owed him one.

:'''Athena''' (angrily) Doesn't change anything you did though!

:'''Boomer''' (shakes her head slightly): No. We all make our choices. Today I made a choice. I think its my last one.

:'''Starbuck''': All right this is really touching. Now can we get the frak out of here!?!

:'''Boomer''' (to Starbuck): You should know that your Raptor been destroyed. You can't go back that way.

:(Athena passes Hera to Helo)

:'''Athena''': Yeah well, that is not the plan.

:'''Starbuck''' (sardonically): Can we ''not'' tell her the plan?

:'''Athena''': Right.

:''(Athena and Boomer look each other in the eye for a moment. She raises her weapon. Boomer makes no move to escape, but stands strait head up, accepting if not welcoming her fate. Athena fires. Boomer is dead before she hits the deck.)''

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]
* [[Mark Sheppard]] as [[Romo Lampkin]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Ensign [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2
* [[Dan Payne]] as [[Sean Allison]]
* [[Holly Eglinton]] as Stripper
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (uncredited)
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] as Man at news stand (uncredited)

== References ==

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Daybreak, Part I

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== Overview ==
''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' begins to be stripped of parts, and [[William Adama|Adama]] calls for volunteers for a final mission.<ref>http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=1054906</ref>

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

The Teaser consists entirely of flashbacks with some extended scenes. There are three major areas that the flashback deals with:

''Kara Thrace'' - The scenes present concerning her are; Kara discovering her body and Viper on Earth, Baltar announcing Kara's "return from the dead", Anders getting shot in the head during the mutiny, Kara and a Six discussing Anders' "treatment", Tigh commenting on Anders' control over Galactica, Hera handing Kara a drawing of the music, Kara playing the music on the piano with her "father", Kara consulting Anders about the pattern in the music.

''Hera'' - The scenes concerning Hera are; Helo exploding at the deck hands for allowing Boomer to take Hera, Boomer taking Hera out of daycare, Boomer jumping away from Galactica, Boomer arriving at the Colony and handing Hera over to Cavil, Ellen Tigh discussing Cavil's plans for Hera.

''Galactica'' - The scenes present concerning the fate of Galactica are; the hull breach leading to the depressurisation that killed several members of the repair crew, Adama informing Tigh that they were "abandoning ship", a slightly extended scene that showed the evacuation of personnel on raptors, another extended scene showing cargo ships taking supplies from Galactica to other ships in the fleet.

=== Act 1 ===

=== Act 2 ===

=== Act 3 ===

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==

* This episode is the first part of a three hour series finale<ref>http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/06/battlestars-fin.html</ref>.
* The episode does not have an opening teaser beyond the "Previously..." segment. Nor does the opening credits include clips from the episode, the first time this has happened since the start of Season 3.
*We finally learn [[Sherman Cottle|Cottle]]'s first name: Sherman. Adama calls him by it when telling him he's too valuable for the fleet to lose.
* It is revealed that [[Laura Roslin]] had two sisters (one pregnant), and that they and her father were killed in an automobile accident at some point before she ran for elected office.
* Baltar's father appears for the first time, and it's confirmed that Baltar's accent is an affected one.
* Baltar begins his relationship with [[Caprica-Six]] without even knowing her name.
* Cultural oddity: keep an eye on the rear window of Baltar's limo for a recognizable Vancouver, B.C. street sign.
* After several episodes leaving the facts open to speculation, it is confirmed that the ''Galactica'' pilots that took part in the mutiny, such as Racetrack, were incarcerated and not executed, and that [[Galen Tyrol]] was imprisoned for his role in unwittingly helping Boomer to escape with Hera (a scene indicating this was filmed for "[[Islanded in a Stream of Stars]]" but cut from the televised version).
* For the first time in many episodes, the six surviving members of the [[Significant Seven]] appear in the same episode (albeit [[Leoben]] appears only in the opening recap).
* In the flashback to Starbuck's apartment, the painting of the Eye of Jupiter can be seen behind her when she opens the door.

== Analysis ==
*Cavil plans to use Hera to find out how she was created in order to continue the Cylon species, presumably through normal reproduction.
**It also proves both Starbuck's and Athena's worst fears that Cavil intends to dissect Hera to discover the secret of procreation.
*Roslin likely feels quite protective of Hera as despite being barely able to walk, she volunteers for the rescue mission (although her love for Adama likely also played a part in her decision).
*Cottle may be either the best doctor in the fleet or one of the only ones as Adama says he's too valuable for the fleet to lose on the rescue mission.
*Baltar seems conflicted when volunteers are called. This inner conflict stems from his earlier conversation with Lee Adama where he confessed that he had never done anything for purely selfless motivations with no gain for himself. He does not, however, cross the line and join the volunteers.
** If Baltar does join, then it would seem likely that all the elements are in place to fulfil the Opera House vision: Athena, Roslin, Caprica Six and Baltar will all be in pursuit of Hera.
*Much of the crew is loyal enough to Adama that they're willing to go on a likely one way mission to rescue someone just because he asked.

== Questions ==
* What was the purpose of the seemingly random and disjointed flashbacks to Caprica City prior to the Cylon attack?
* Did any of the other former mutineers, besides Racetrack and Skulls, volunteer to participate in the mission?
* Has Cavil given up on the idea of salvaging Resurrection Technology?
* As the episode began, ''Galactica'' was already being cannibalized for parts; does this mean it will be lacking vital components during the upcoming mission, or has Adama stopped the salvaging?
* With only a single, two-hour episode left, will [[Galen Tyrol]] learn of [[Tory Foster]]'s murder of [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]]?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[Rick Worthy]] as [[Number Four]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Sherman Cottle]]
* [[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Costanza]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]
* [[Tobias Mehler]] as [[Zak Adama]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
* [[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Louis Hoshi]]
* [[Colin Lawrence]] as Lieutenant [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as Marine [[Allan Nowart]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]]
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Antony Holland]] as [[Julius Baltar]]
* [[Simone Bailly]] as [[Shona]]
* [[Elan Ross Gibson]] as Nurse [[Barbara]]
* [[France Perras]] as [[Sandra]]
* [[Sarah Deakins]] as [[Cheryl]]
* [[Tiffany Burns]] as Reporter [[Carolyn]]
* [[Kevin McNulty]] as [[Frank Porthos]]
* [[Stefanie Samuels]] as Police Officer
* [[Richard Jollymore]] as Marine #1
* [[Anthony St. John]] as Marine #2

== References ==
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[[Category:Episodes directed by Michael Rymer]]

Islanded in a Stream of Stars

2009-03-10T02:07:02Z

Prisoner881: /* Questions */

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| director= [[Edward James Olmos]]
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| CAN airdate=March 6, 2009
| UK airdate=March 10, 2009
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| next=[[Daybreak, Part I]]
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== Overview ==
As ''Galactica'''s condition continues to get worse, [[William Adama|Adama]] is faced with the possibility of abandoning ship. In the meantime, [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] winds up forming an unexpected bond with [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] learns a surprising truth about [[Kara Thrace]]

==Summary==

===Teaser===
* With [[Sharon Valerii]]'s kidnapping of [[Hera Agathon]] and her escape, the spatial disruption caused by the close-proximity [[FTL|jump]] of her [[Raptor]] causes an immense breech in the port side of the alligator's head of ''[[Galactica]]''
* A [[projection]] of little Hera in [[CIC]]. She sits atop the command and control console with models of ''Galactica'', three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] and a [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]]. She moves the ''Galactica'' model in to collide with the baseship as the projection transitions to show the actual ''Galactica'' and her [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]].
* Inside, crew of all kinds, both from the allied Cylons and Colonials, are trying to seal the breech. Tempers are high: a [[Number Six]] and another human crew member argue. Eventually a [[Number Eight]] comes to break the two up.

* In Admiral [[William Adama|Adama's]] quarters, [[Ellen Tigh]] speaks about Hera's abduction as [[Lee Adama]], [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Saul Tigh]] listen. Ellen believes that [[Cavil]] will take Hera to the [[Cylon homeworld]] for study, to determine how Cylon procreation is possible. Saul completes Ellen's thought by saying that she knows the Cylon colony's location.
* While Lee Adama objects to the disproportionate risk in retrieving Hera, not only does Ellen indicate that the child is important for the survival of all the Cylons, but Thrace tells Lee that Hera is vital to the human's survival as well.
* She explains how Hera wrote some [[The Music|music]]--notes that Thrace's father wrote--the same song that switched on the [[Final Five]] and led them all to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* But the admiral is "had it up to here" with prophesies and destinies. He doesn't want to endanger what's left of his people.
* When Saul convinces Adama to at least check out the colony, Adama permits a [[Heavy Raider]] to go, preferring that the Agathon's not know.

* In the Agathon's quarters, [[Sharon Agathon|Sharon]] is breaking down, as her [[Kara Agathon|husband]] tries to get her to talk and vent her feelings.

* [[Laura Roslin]], now in sickbay and noticeably weakened, experiences the [[Opera House]] dream of Hera running through it, eventually being picked up by a Number Six and [[Gaius Baltar]]. She wakes to find the admiral at her side, and tells him of the dream.

* A seam on the battlestar's hull fractures with cataclysmic results. Dozens of people, both Cylon and human, are trapped inside, the rushing air and falling pressure sealing their fate.
* The Six and human male that argued earlier are closest to a bulkhead door. With all her strength, she pushes the Colonial in front and to the door's edge as two other Colonials pull him in. She screams to close the door behind her and lock it.
* As the door is sealed, the Six loses her grip and is blown out into space.

==Episode summary==

Lee Adama struggles to convince the newly-elected Fleet Quorum that ''Galactica'' can be saved, but many councilors are worried about becoming dependent on the Cylons for military protection. Once the Galactica meets its inevitable demise, the basestar will be the logical choice for the new flagship. [[Number Six#Sonja|Sonja]] assures them that the Cylons will continue to respect William Adama's military authority when he transfers to the Basestar, along with the rest of Galactica's crew and their planes and munitions. Other representatives begin calling first dibs on certain parts of ''Galactica'', which will of course be stripped once its time is up. Laura Roslin's cancer is killing her, and she is now confined to bed in the ship's hospital. She gradually convinces Admiral Adama that he has to abandon Galactica and move everyone over to the Cylon Basestar. Ellen Tigh tries to convince Colonel Saul Tigh that Roslin is right, but he refuses: The decision is Adm. Adama's alone.

Karl Agathon's marriage to Sharon Valerii is falling apart, as she cannot overcome the loss of her child, Hera, or the knowledge that her husband had sexual intercourse with the Number Eight known as "Boomer". Trying to save his marriage, Helo tries to get Adm. Adama to approve the launching of a Raptor to find Hera. Adama has already permitted Sonja, the Cylon representative on the new Quorum, to secretly take a Heavy Raider to the Cylon homeworld, known as "[[the Colony]]". The Colony though has already been moved to a new location by Cavil prior to the [[Cylon Civil War]]; sending Helo out in a Raptor to look for it would be a suicide mission. Adama finally refuses to give permission, to which Helo appears devastated.

Gaius Baltar continues his religious broadcasts to the Fleet, and his latest message focuses on angels walking among humanity. Baltar encounters Caprica Six, who rejects his romantic overtures. She tells him she's changed and that he has not. Baltar breaks down over the loss of his former lover. Later, Kara Thrace meets Baltar while they are both in the ship's head. Kara tells him that she died on Earth, and discovered her own body there. She gives him her dog tag to analyze. He scrapes blood from the dog tag, and finds it came from a body which was already dead. When the ''Galactica'' crew, Cylons, and Baltar's believers meet on ''Galactica'''s flight deck to bury those who died in the hull breach, Baltar reveals what he discovered about Starbuck and calls her an angel. He preaches about eternal life, but Starbuck slaps him and the service breaks up. Later, Apollo meets with Starbuck and offers her his unconditional love and support. They part as friends. Starbuck puts a photo of herself on the memorial wall of the dead.

Aboard the stolen Raptor, Hera keeps crying for her mother, infuriating Boomer. Boomer almost sedates the child, but cannot bring herself to do so; they keep jumping toward their destination. In an attempt to calm Hera, Boomer reveals her "Cylon projection" dreamworld to Hera. Hera can see the world, too, and bonds with Boomer. Boomer begins to develop strong emotional ties to the child. When the two arrive at the "colony", a Cylon base on top of a small, rocky planetoid, Cavil takes Hera from Boomer and declares that soon she will have many playmates. The child weeps and calls out for Boomer, and Boomer also sheds copious tears unwilling to part from Hera.

After an emotional breakdown, Adm. Adama realizes the ship must be abandoned. He meets with Col. Tigh, who initially resists the evacuation order but gives in after a brief discussion. All civilians are to be removed over the next few days, arrangements are to be made to put the military personnel aboard the basestar, and ''Galactica'' is to be stripped for parts. Rather than let the ship break down, Adama intends to "send her off in style."

A Number Eight and Number Six have hooked [[Samuel Anders]] up to a [[Hybrid]] tank in a an attempt to help his brain reboot, but there is no apparent change. Kara Thrace goes to Anders' bedside alone, and decides to kill him rather than let him live in a vegetative state. But as she aims a gun at his head, Anders comes awake. He babbles like a Hybrid, but his ravings also indicate that he's aware of the threat to his life. With one hand, he subdues Starbuck and she drops the pistol. Anders continues to babble, but some of his rants indicate that he is reintegrating, perhaps even repairing, his mind. ''Galactica'''s power and temperature fluctuations were because Anders was connecting to the ship, as the Hybrid tank and the Cylon polymer used to repair the battlestar are giving him the power to interact with the ship's computers. Tigh deems this too dangerous to continue, as Anders might jump the ship. Anders is disconnected from the Hybrid tank, and he falls into a coma again.

A few days later, Starbuck meets with the comatose Anders. She brings Hera's drawing of the song (the song which helped awaken the Final Five in the episode "Crossroads", and about which further complications were revealed in the episode prior to this one, "Someone to Watch Over Me"), and states assertively, that together, they will discover what is going on. She reconnects him to the ship's power systems. He awakens again, and begins speaking in the kind of a hybrid.

== Notes ==

* The title comes from the book ''[[w:The Outermost House|The Outermost House]]'', by [[w:Henry Beston|Henry Beston]], where he chronicles his time spent living on an isolated beach in Cape Cod. In the chapter "Night on the Great Beach" he wrote, "For a moment of night we have a glimpse of ourselves and of our world ''islanded in its stream of stars''— pilgrims of mortality, voyaging between horizons across eternal seas of space and time."

* Two original Cylon Raiders can be seen inside the Colony.

* [[Ellen Tigh]] leads the Cylons in performing the [[Prayer to the Cloud of Unknowing]] at the service.

* Among the "random" phrases hybrid-Anders spouts are the lyrics of the Earth folk song "There's a Hole in My Bucket".

* The Six that gives her life to save that of a ''Galactica'' crewmember is yet another example of a Six with a unique personality, this time one closer in tone to the "working-class" attitude exhibited by ''Galactica's'' human maintenance crew (aka the "knuckle-draggers").

== Analysis ==
*When [[Caprica-Six]] was at [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar's]] congregation he spoke to her about hearing about her living arrangement and offered a place to stay. From this it seems after the in utero death of [[Liam|Liam Tigh]], [[Saul Tigh]] and Caprica Six have broken up as a couple. As a side effect, Col. Tigh has reverted to his "us" and "them" attitude toward Cylons as a whole despite himself and his wife being Cylons including an increase of anti Cylon "racial" slurs.

*[[Chief Tyrol]] was no where to be seen in this episode. Even crewman [[Dealino]] gives a report to both [[Admiral Adama]] and [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] of what the attitudes of the Cylons, particularly the [[Leoben]]s, thought as to how many jumps ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' had left in her. [[Bear McCreary]] reveals<ref>http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=1671</ref> there is an extended scene on the DVD which shows Chief Tyrol is being held in ''Galactica'''s brig for his part in [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer's]] escape.

*[[Hera Agathon|Hera]] has the power of [[projection]], which she demonstrated at the beginning of the episode playing in a projection of CIC on top of the tactical light table with the ship miniatures including a model of [[Galactica]] which she pushed, a [[Basestar (RDM)|Cylon baseship]] and three [[Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]]. It is not known if Hera was ever in CIC but [[Sharon Agathon|her mother]] has been. This indicates strongly that Hera and [[Sharon Agathon|Athena]] have been sharing projections for months probably years, conceivably since birth. Also included in the projection was the embers of welding torches, structural repairs are also going on in ''Galactica'''s corridors and Hera almost certainly saw them. She very likely thought they were pretty and incorporated it into her projection.
**Hera's projection may be prophetic in nature. She pushes the model of ''Galactica'' into a model of a basestar, which could hint at an eventual confrontation between ''Galactica'' and the Cylons, and quite possibly the destruction of ''Galactica''. The [[Pegasus (RDM)|battlestar ''Pegasus'']] was destroyed in a similar fashion by ramming a basestar.
*In sickbay, Adama and Roslin reminces about New Caprica and about the cabin they wanted to build but can't. This scene is in its own way similar to the scene in which Boomer and Tyrol shared a projection of the house they had intended to build on Picon. As humans, Adama and Roslin can only conjure up fond memories and regrets in their own mind's eyes. Both couples know that it is never to be, building their dream houses.

*Helo wanted Athena to say that she hated him because he saw it in her eyes. She almost did. In a close up of her lips her mouth parted slightly but then closed. This is most likely for him sleeping with Boomer, who subsequently took Hera. Athena probably understands that Helo couldn't prevent the kidnapping but she probably feels that he should had known that it was not Athena he was sleeping with. It is however conceivable she could blame him for the taking of Hera if she thinks that if he realized that it wasn't her he could had had Boomer captured even before she got near Hera.

*In the episode we saw what is essentially the [[The Colony|Cylon homeworld]]; at least the new one. [[Ellen Tigh]] explained in a meeting with Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Tory Foster, Saul Tigh, and Kara Thrace where the Cylons (including the [[Final Five]]) were for the past 40 years: "I guess you can call it home. It's where we and the Centurions went after the [[Cylon War|First War]] once we convinced them to abandon their experiments with evolution in exchange for [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection]] technology."

== Questions ==
* What does Cavil mean when he tells Hera that she will soon have new playmates?
* Will ''Galactica'' be stripped after all?
* How conscious is Anders?
* Anders recites the lyrics to the real-world folk song "There's Hole in My Bucket". ''Galactica'' was derisively referred to as "The Bucket" prior the fall of the Colonies. Given the precarious state of ''Galactica'''s hull, along with the earlier uses of "All Along the Watchtower" and other real-life literature and poem references, is there a significance to this?
* Can the Colony be found by ''Galactica'''s scout ships?
* How can Baltar tell that Starbuck's blood came from a dead body? ''Baltar explains how in dialogue; forensic science can tell the difference between a post-mortem blood sample and one taken from a living creature.''
** A corpse produces "death enzymes" as it decomposes. Its likely Baltar found high concentrations of these enzymes on the dogtags.
* Is the planet that Boomer jumps in front of Jupiter? The color patterns are similar, the rocky moon could be Ganymede or Callisto, and there is a hint of the Great Red Spot at the lower left.
* Might Boomer defect from Cavil because of her new attachment to Hera?
* Does the presence of First Cylon War-era Cylon Raiders at the Colony indicate the presence of older-model [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005|Cylon Centurions]], too?
* Does Cavil intend to pursue biological reproduction, recreate the resurrection process, or both?
* Do the Eights consider the rest of the Final Five their parents? Do other models also regard some or all of the Final Five as parental figures?
* When the dying Number Eight refers to Tigh as her father, is she simply referring to him as being the father of her kind, or is she being literal and giving a clue as to the origin of the Number Eight model (just as [[Cavil]] is established to be based upon Ellen's father)?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
* ''[[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] fulfills a request to comfort to a dying [[Number Eight]]:''
:'''Number Eight:''' Thank you.
:'''Tigh:''' Thank me? For what?
:'''Number Eight:''' For the privilege of finally being able to meet my father before I die.
:'''Tigh:''' You shouldn't be thanking me. I spent most of my life trying to kill your kind.
:'''Number Eight:''' [[The Music|There's too much confusion]].
:''(The Eight flatlines)''

* ''[[Bill Adama]] is talking with Kara Thrace about looking for Hera:''
: '''Adama:''' In other words, it's our destiny to go after her, right?
: '''Thrace:''' (facial expressions and body language indicates "yes")
: '''Adama:''' Wrong. I've had it up to here with destiny, prophecy, with God or the Gods. Look where it's left us. The ass end of nowhere; nearly half of our people are gone; Earth, a worthless cinder; and I can't even walk down the halls of my ship without wondering if I'm gonna catch a bullet for getting us into this mess.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[S. Cottle]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]<ref>[http://www.buddytv.com/articles/battlestar-galactica/exclusive-interview-rekha-shar-20017.aspx Exclusive Interview: Rekha Sharma of 'Battlestar Galactica' - BuddyTV]</ref>
* [[Iliana Gomez-Martinez]] as [[Hera Agathon]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Brendan Costanza|Brenden "Hotdog" Constanza]]
* [[David Patrick Green]] as Captain [[Xeno Fenner]]
* [[Kerry Norton]] as [[Layne Ishay]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracy Anne]]
* [[Darcy Laurie]] as [[Dealino]]
* [[Susan Hogan]] Captain [[Doyle Franks]]
* [[William Samples]] as Captain [[Jules Tarney]]

== References ==

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[[Category:Episodes directed by Edward James Olmos]]

Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 1

2009-03-07T05:03:49Z

Prisoner881: /* The Dying Galactica */

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*Gaeta's invisible ghost is damned to walk the decks of CIC for all eternity, observing Adama finally succeeding in bringing humanity back from the brink, thus totally discrediting Gaeta's mutinous ideas. Fitting punishment for trying to evict Adama from his own ship.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

*Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Anders' readings, I would say they are definitely, in fact, All Along the Watchtower. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
*Well, I can only say it's moving closer and closer to that 100% certainty. "Islanded" just finished with Adama ordering a general evac of the ship. Adama speaks to Tigh of "sending the old girl out in style". The teaser for next week shows what appears to be Adama asking for volunteers for a one-way mission. My guess: Starbuck will get the location of the colony from Sam, Adama will assemble a skeleton crew on Galactica to go get Hera, and we have all the pieces in place for a final, glorious duel to the death between Galactica and Cavil -- one where Galactica will serve some important sacrificial role that allows the rest of humanity, the rebel Cylons, and Hera to forge some kind of new future. I'm going to further bet that the Battle To End All Battles is saved for the final episode, that we only see its beginning at the very end of next week's ep. After all, if Cavil's forces are destroyed, Hera recovered, and the Galactica is trashed next week, what could RDM & Co. possibly show us in the final episode?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Updating Wiki ==

hi guys. bsg isnt being shown in south africa at all so we have to wait for the dvd release to see the whole show. but being the fan that i am i simply cant wait until then to know what happens, so i rely heavily on the content in this wiki to follow the story. i know it must be really hard work but could you guys update so i wont go insane:)
the acts specifically i mean. i read the analysis and it was like OMG BOOMER ESCAPES WITH TYROLS HELP??! AND HERA? WHAT HAPPENED?

a desperate fan form the dark continent

:Our apologies. Wikis depend not only on its contributors but available time to complete articles, particularly episode summaries. You're not the only one that's waiting. I've handled many summaries; I'll do what I can tonight to keep you up to date! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Is anyone going to finish the summary? ==

Is anyone going to finish completing the summary? It's been about a week now. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 21:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed you asked the same question at [[Talk:Blood on the Scales]] ... I basically have the same answers for you. [[BW:BOLD|Be bold]]. :) I've been a bit more caught up with other edits, but if something doesn't show up here soon I will take a crack at it ... I need something to do while waiting for "Islanded" to air anyway. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I might get to it this evening as well before the next episode plays. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 1

2009-03-07T05:01:52Z

Prisoner881: /* The Dying Galactica */

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*Gaeta's invisible ghost is damned to walk the decks of CIC for all eternity, observing Adama finally succeeding in bringing humanity back from the brink, thus totally discrediting Gaeta's mutinous ideas. Fitting punishment for trying to evict Adama from his own ship.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

*Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Anders' readings, I would say they are definitely, in fact, All Along the Watchtower. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
*Well, I can only say it's moving closer and closer to that 100% certainty. "Islanded" just finished with Adama ordering a general evac of the ship. Adama speaks to Tigh of "sending the old girl out in style". The teaser for next week shows what appears to be Adama asking for volunteers for a one-way mission. My guess: Starbuck will get the location of the colony from Sam, Adama will assemble a skeleton crew on Galactica to go get Hera, and we have all the pieces in place for a final, glorious duel to the death between Galactica and Cavil -- one where Galactica will serve some important sacrificial role that allows the rest of humanity, the rebel Cylons, and Hera to forge some kind of new future. I'm going to further bet that the Battle To End All Battles is saved for the final episode, that we only see its beginning at the very end of next week's ep. After all, if Cavil's forces are destroyed, Hera recovered, and the Galactica is trashed next week, what could RDM & Co. possibly show us in the final episode?

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Updating Wiki ==

hi guys. bsg isnt being shown in south africa at all so we have to wait for the dvd release to see the whole show. but being the fan that i am i simply cant wait until then to know what happens, so i rely heavily on the content in this wiki to follow the story. i know it must be really hard work but could you guys update so i wont go insane:)
the acts specifically i mean. i read the analysis and it was like OMG BOOMER ESCAPES WITH TYROLS HELP??! AND HERA? WHAT HAPPENED?

a desperate fan form the dark continent

:Our apologies. Wikis depend not only on its contributors but available time to complete articles, particularly episode summaries. You're not the only one that's waiting. I've handled many summaries; I'll do what I can tonight to keep you up to date! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Is anyone going to finish the summary? ==

Is anyone going to finish completing the summary? It's been about a week now. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 21:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed you asked the same question at [[Talk:Blood on the Scales]] ... I basically have the same answers for you. [[BW:BOLD|Be bold]]. :) I've been a bit more caught up with other edits, but if something doesn't show up here soon I will take a crack at it ... I need something to do while waiting for "Islanded" to air anyway. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I might get to it this evening as well before the next episode plays. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 1

2009-03-03T21:38:16Z

Prisoner881: /* Gaeta */

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*Gaeta's invisible ghost is damned to walk the decks of CIC for all eternity, observing Adama finally succeeding in bringing humanity back from the brink, thus totally discrediting Gaeta's mutinous ideas. Fitting punishment for trying to evict Adama from his own ship.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

*Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Someone to Watch Over Me/Archive 1

2009-03-03T21:34:56Z

Prisoner881: /* Boomer's motivations */

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

*Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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2009-03-03T21:34:28Z

Prisoner881: /* Boomer's motivations */

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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.

Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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-- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC){{newsection link}}

==Title==
''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

And what's with Bill Adama agonizing over the Cylon goop being put into Galactica? Granted it's not what he would like, but Adama has always shown himself to be a pragmatist. He knows he has no choice. He even admits it during his drunken binge with Tigh. The Adama we know from the past hasn't agonized over forced choices once they've been made. Again, why the sudden shift in character? It's jarring to the point of unbelievability.

And what's Adama up to giving Baltar guns? Has he lost his mind? Didn't we just have a bloody mutiny on Galactica over the whole idea of Cylon's integrating into the fleet? As I recall, Adama was on the pro-Cylon side -- again, because he's a pragmatist, not out of any love of the Cylons. Now he's acting like he fears the Cylons all over again, despite the fact his XO is one and Tyrol is once again in charge of the deck. The rebel Cylons basically saved Roslin's life. They are helping repair the Galactica. They've practically prostrated themselves at the mercy of the humans. At what point do our half-blind humans finally realize these Cylons are ''different''? That they're trying to help?

Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta. Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda. If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
* OK, that's weird. Why is your datestamp 7 months from now? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* * Good question. I've no idea --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* Yes, totally . She does tell the gang specifically that she is still Ellen, too -- since from the Cavil conversation we know the plan for them was to download back with full memories of everything that happened. It's likely that the New Ellen we saw this episode was the writers trying to show that while she is cylon she is very much human as well (loves Saul, jealous of Six, furious that he would sleep with one of "their children" even though he couldn't have known), or that the memories/template of Old Ellen is still strongly with her and may continue to drive some of her reactions. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* MORE -- Re: Baltar, had to watch it again, but what he is saying is that while the fleet in on a path to be blended, the populace isn't fully ready to accept this fate just yet. That Baltar can put together a civilian militia to keep order where the marines aren't is the last choice Adama has before he finally turns to the Baseship for mustering a police force (the implied non-human solution). And at this point he's right, there's no way the fleet would accept Cylons acting as police. So it's not an anti-Cylon agenda at all, he's just trying to buy Adama some time. Bill's agonizing because up to this point he's seen Humans and Rebel Cylons as allies, but separate nations. The hope has been that Humans ultimately rebuild the Human race, but the direction is now clearly showing both sides need each other and that instead Humans (and Cylons) will be building a new Hybrid race. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 04:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== I Don't Agree ==

First of all, Baltar said what he said to Adama just to get the guns. He knew he'd only get them if he appealed to Adama's pro-human side, which he did. He probably meant none of it (Baltar, anit-Cylon? He gave one of the sixes a nuke!).

Secondly, love is far from logical, and Ellen (at least, is implied) is in love with Saul, hence she will not be logical, and cast him down. He's been unfaithful with her daughter, effectively; all logic goes out of the window.

* But what could Baltar have possibly said that could've motivated Adama to give weapons to ''civilians''? And mot just any civilians but ''brainwashed'' ones? And while I'll readily concede love is anything but logical, if I had to describe the "No Exit" Ellen with just one adjective, it would be "rational." But in this episode she's completely irrational. It's like those stupid romantic comedies where everyone must misbehave in exactly the wrong way at the wrong time in order to draw the wrong conclusion and perform the wrong action...all of which is tidied up in the third act. BSG is better than that, which is why I'm so disappointed in this episode.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 23:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Scene(s) May Explain the Guns ==

I understand that there was at least one scene that was cut in which the problem of internal security on Galactica was discussed. (Don't have the citation handy.) The problem is that, due to loses incurred during the mutiny, the number of marines available for security duty is way below what is needed. One of the solutions discussed was to bring over centurions from the base ship to augment the security force, but that was deemed to be a bad thing (duh). So in that context, Baltar's appeal for guns to defend themselves and the other civilians might seem to Adama to be the lesser of two evils.

But boy, did you see the look of lust on Paula's face as she examined her new semi-auto. That girl's going "postal" one day soon, mark my words. [[User:Strotter|Strotter]] 03:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

* If this is indeed a missing scene then it starts to make a little sense. Still, I have a hard time believing Galactica's security forces were so decimated that Adama is willing to turn over weapons to untrained, unpredictable, untrusted civilians. Galactica has over a thousand personnel. Surely there are better options than giving guns to cultists. --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Found ==

The one question I still can't figure out... is how the hell did Boomer find Galactica in a Raptor? If Boomer could find it so easily, couldn't Cavil?

Just thinking...
[[User:Ghostalker|Ghostalker]]
* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Deadlock/Archive 1

2009-02-22T05:50:00Z

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-- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC){{newsection link}}

==Title==
''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

And what's with Bill Adama agonizing over the Cylon goop being put into Galactica? Granted it's not what he would like, but Adama has always shown himself to be a pragmatist. He knows he has no choice. He even admits it during his drunken binge with Tigh. The Adama we know from the past hasn't agonized over forced choices once they've been made. Again, why the sudden shift in character? It's jarring to the point of unbelievability.

And what's Adama up to giving Baltar guns? Has he lost his mind? Didn't we just have a bloody mutiny on Galactica over the whole idea of Cylon's integrating into the fleet? As I recall, Adama was on the pro-Cylon side -- again, because he's a pragmatist, not out of any love of the Cylons. Now he's acting like he fears the Cylons all over again, despite the fact his XO is one and Tyrol is once again in charge of the deck. The rebel Cylons basically saved Roslin's life. They are helping repair the Galactica. They've practically prostrated themselves at the mercy of the humans. At what point do our half-blind humans finally realize these Cylons are ''different''? That they're trying to help?

Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta. Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda. If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
* OK, that's weird. Why is your datestamp 7 months from now? [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 01:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* * Good question. I've no idea --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* Yes, totally . She does tell the gang specifically that she is still Ellen, too -- since from the Cavil conversation we know the plan for them was to download back with full memories of everything that happened. It's likely that the New Ellen we saw this episode was the writers trying to show that while she is cylon she is very much human as well (loves Saul, jealous of Six, furious that he would sleep with one of "their children" even though he couldn't have known), or that the memories/template of Old Ellen is still strongly with her and may continue to drive some of her reactions. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
* MORE -- Re: Baltar, had to watch it again, but what he is saying is that while the fleet in on a path to be blended, the populace isn't fully ready to accept this fate just yet. That Baltar can put together a civilian militia to keep order where the marines aren't is the last choice Adama has before he finally turns to the Baseship for mustering a police force (the implied non-human solution). And at this point he's right, there's no way the fleet would accept Cylons acting as police. So it's not an anti-Cylon agenda at all, he's just trying to buy Adama some time. Bill's agonizing because up to this point he's seen Humans and Rebel Cylons as allies, but separate nations. The hope has been that Humans ultimately rebuild the Human race, but the direction is now clearly showing both sides need each other and that instead Humans (and Cylons) will be building a new Hybrid race. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 04:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== I Don't Agree ==

First of all, Baltar said what he said to Adama just to get the guns. He knew he'd only get them if he appealed to Adama's pro-human side, which he did. He probably meant none of it (Baltar, anit-Cylon? He gave one of the sixes a nuke!).

Secondly, love is far from logical, and Ellen (at least, is implied) is in love with Saul, hence she will not be logical, and cast him down. He's been unfaithful with her daughter, effectively; all logic goes out of the window.

* But what could Baltar have possibly said that could've motivated Adama to give weapons to ''civilians''? And mot just any civilians but ''brainwashed'' ones? And while I'll readily concede love is anything but logical, if I had to describe the "No Exit" Ellen with just one adjective, it would be "rational." But in this episode she's completely irrational. It's like those stupid romantic comedies where everyone must misbehave in exactly the wrong way at the wrong time in order to draw the wrong conclusion and perform the wrong action...all of which is tidied up in the third act. BSG is better than that, which is why I'm so disappointed in this episode.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 23:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Scene(s) May Explain the Guns ==

I understand that there was at least one scene that was cut in which the problem of internal security on Galactica was discussed. (Don't have the citation handy.) The problem is that, due to loses incurred during the mutiny, the number of marines available for security duty is way below what is needed. One of the solutions discussed was to bring over centurions from the base ship to augment the security force, but that was deemed to be a bad thing (duh). So in that context, Baltar's appeal for guns to defend themselves and the other civilians might seem to Adama to be the lesser of two evils.

But boy, did you see the look of lust on Paula's face as she examined her new semi-auto. That girl's going "postal" one day soon, mark my words. [[User:Strotter|Strotter]] 03:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

* If this is indeed a missing scene then it starts to make a little sense. Still, I have a hard time believing Galactica's security forces were so decimated that Adama is willing to turn over weapons to untrained, unpredictable, untrusted civilians. Galactica has over a thousand personnel. Surely there are better options than giving guns to cultists. --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Found ==

The one question I still can't figure out... is how the hell did Boomer find Galactica in a Raptor? If Boomer could find it so easily, couldn't Cavil?

Just thinking...
[[User:Ghostalker|Ghostalker]]
* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. --[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Deadlock/Archive 1

2009-02-21T23:30:52Z

Prisoner881:

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==Title==
''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

And what's with Bill Adama agonizing over the Cylon goop being put into Galactica? Granted it's not what he would like, but Adama has always shown himself to be a pragmatist. He knows he has no choice. He even admits it during his drunken binge with Tigh. The Adama we know from the past hasn't agonized over forced choices once they've been made. Again, why the sudden shift in character? It's jarring to the point of unbelievability.

And what's Adama up to giving Baltar guns? Has he lost his mind? Didn't we just have a bloody mutiny on Galactica over the whole idea of Cylon's integrating into the fleet? As I recall, Adama was on the pro-Cylon side -- again, because he's a pragmatist, not out of any love of the Cylons. Now he's acting like he fears the Cylons all over again, despite the fact his XO is one and Tyrol is once again in charge of the deck. The rebel Cylons basically saved Roslin's life. They are helping repair the Galactica. They've practically prostrated themselves at the mercy of the humans. At what point do our half-blind humans finally realize these Cylons are ''different''? That they're trying to help?

Gaius's "last ''human'' solution" speech sounds so xenophobic I could've imagined it coming from the dear departed Gaeta. Something ''must'' be misleading because I can't see Head Six directing Gaius on any kind of anti-Cylon agenda. If we're just being purposefully mislead in such a ham-handed manner, it's cheap manipulation unworthy of BSG.[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 16:18, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

== I Don't Agree ==

First of all, Baltar said what he said to Adama just to get the guns. He knew he'd only get them if he appealed to Adama's pro-human side, which he did. He probably meant none of it (Baltar, anit-Cylon? He gave one of the sixes a nuke!).

Secondly, love is far from logical, and Ellen (at least, is implied) is in love with Saul, hence she will not be logical, and cast him down. He's been unfaithful with her daughter, effectively; all logic goes out of the window.

(reply) But what could Baltar have possibly said that could've motivated Adama to give weapons to ''civilians''? And mot just any civilians but ''brainwashed'' ones? And while I'll readily concede love is anything but logical, if I had to describe the "No Exit" Ellen with just one adjective, it would be "rational." But in this episode she's completely irrational. It's like those stupid romantic comedies where everyone must misbehave in exactly the wrong way at the wrong time in order to draw the wrong conclusion and perform the wrong action...all of which is tidied up in the third act. BSG is better than that, which is why I'm so disappointed in this episode.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 23:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Deadlock/Archive 1

2009-02-21T20:53:13Z

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Talk:Deadlock/Archive 1

2009-02-21T20:48:16Z

Prisoner881: