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Kara Thrace

2006-12-02T15:33:45Z

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:''This article discusses the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] character with the pilot callsign of "Starbuck." For information on Kara Thrace's counterpart in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], see [[Starbuck (TOS)]].''

{{Character Data
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|age=
|colony= [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]
|birthname= Kara Thrace
|callsign= Starbuck
|seen= Miniseries
|death=
|parents=
|siblings=
|children=
|marital status= Married to [[Samuel Anders]] (formerly engaged to [[Zak Adama]]†)
|role= Unknown, formerly: Commander Air Group, battlestar ''Galactica'' ([[The Captain's Hand]])
|rank= Captain
|actor= [[Katee Sackhoff]]
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'''Kara "Starbuck" Thrace''', serial number 462753, is a gifted Viper pilot — and knows it. This leaves her with an attitude that has at times thwarted her career advancement. However, thanks to [[William Adama]], Thrace's skills in battle have extended beyond the cockpit to greatly aid the Fleet.

== Background ==
*In an unhappy childhood, Thrace was so frequently beaten by her mother that she came to accept pain as a way of life ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
*Her father was a pianist ([[Valley of Darkness]]), suggesting that her formerly broken finger bones on both hands had been intentionally broken by a parent using her father's piano ([[The Farm]]).
*Thrace left home to join the [[Colonial Fleet|military]].
* She was a very talented [[pyramid]] player ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]), and received a scholarship to the Fleet Academy to play pyramid. During this time, she injured her knee and was no longer able to play pyramid at a professional level. During that time, however, she discovered a passion and skill at being a fighter pilot ([[Podcast:The Hand of God]]). On graduating from Colonial Flight School, she undertook a period of active duty before returning to flight school as an instructor.
*Thrace fell in love with a young recruit, [[Zak Adama]]. Despite his mediocre performance, she passed him on his final flight examination, despite failing three of the required maneuvers ([[Act of Contrition]]).
*Thrace's engagement to Zak Adama ends when he was killed during a routine mission shortly after graduating. At the time, [[Lee Adama]], Zak's elder brother, blamed their father for Zak Adama's death. In her guilt, Thrace did little to alter this idea. She did, however, meet [[William Adama]] shortly after the accident, and the two struck up such a strong rapport that they stood together at the funeral ([[Act of Contrition]]).
*Thrace resigned from flight school as a instructor and transferred as an operational pilot aboard [[Galactica type battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]'' under the command of William Adama, where she served for some two years prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]] on the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]]. Before the Cylon attack, she was second in command of the remaining pilots, subordinate to the [[CAG]], [[Jackson Spencer]].
*At the time of the Cylon attack she has an run-down apartment in [[Delphi]] that overlooks a parking lot. She rarely used the dilapidated apartment. She was also a very avid painter, and her apartment was cluttered with her paintings ([[Valley of Darkness]]).
*Despite her reckless approach to life, Thrace hides the fact that she is deeply spiritual. She frequently prays (or talks) to the [[Lords of Kobol]], particularly [[Aphrodite]] and [[Artemis]] in times of need ([[Miniseries]], "[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]").

==Character History at a Glance==
*Thrace's attitude quickly runs her afoul of Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], ''Galactica's'' [[Executive officer]]. Their open mutual dislike of one another leads to the point where blows are exchanged, with Thrace ending up in the brig. After the Cylon attack she is released from the brig and returns to duty as ''Galactica's'' Viper pilot.
*Thrace manages to keep two of three nuclear missiles from striking ''Galactica'' in their first Cylon sortie, and saves Captain Adama from doom in an innovative maneuver in the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]].
*Her skills in saving Apollo brings her grudging respect from Colonel Tigh, but she is unable to accept his offer of the olive branch - an act that will have repercussions for her later ([[Miniseries]]).

[[image:Bastille_Day-Starbuck_Boxey.jpg|thumb|left|[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] as acting [[CAG]] with [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] as assistant in [[Bastille Day]].]]
*Thrace participates in a hostage rescue mission aboard the ''[[Astral Queen]]''. Following the successful mission, Thrace tries to mend fences between herself and Colonel Tigh with a toast (consisting of water), apologizing in much the same way as Tigh himself had tried after their initial escape from [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. But Tigh rejects Thrace's apology, stating that her flaws are professional, while his flaws were personal ([[Bastille Day]]).
*Thrace eventually admits her secret about Zak Adama to William Adama himself, an act that brings their close friendship almost to the breaking point ([[Act of Contrition]]).
*During a surprise encounter with Cylons during [[nugget]] training, Starbuck destroys several Cylon Raiders, but her ship is damaged and tumbles towards a small red moon with an unbreathable atmosphere. With her Viper in a fatal flat-spin, Starbuck is forced to eject from her Viper ([[You Can't Go Home Again]]).
*Thrace (nursing a damaged knee) repairs the downed Cylon Raider found on the inhabitable moon and returns to ''Galactica'', giving the Fleet a vital piece of Cylon fighter technology for study and use.
*The recovering Thrace, off flight status, is asked by Commander Adama to plan a special attack on a Cylon [[tylium]] refinery. The tactical planning role is not something she relishes, and she frequently shows resentment towards others for her condition ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).
*During Thrace's undesired interrogation of a Cylon prisoner, a copy of a known [[Cylon agent]] named [[Leoben Conoy]], she uses some drastic acts to try to extract the information from the Cylon agent ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
[[image:Starbuck-Kobols_Last_Gleaming_pt2.jpg|thumb|right|'''Starbuck''' retrieves the [[Arrow of Apollo]] in [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]].]]
*Thrace is assigned to plant a nuclear device on board a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] in orbit around [[Kobol]]. Disobeying orders to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]] by President Roslin's request, disillusioned by Commander Adama, she Jumps to Caprica ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]), landing in [[Delphi]].
*In the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] with the Arrow, she is violently attacked by a copy of [[Number Six]]. Despite being heavily outmatched in the fight, Thrace luckily defeats the Cylon.
*At the museum, she reunites with [[Karl Agathon|Helo]], whom she thought dead, and discovers a second copy of [[Sharon Valerii]], realizing instantly that the woman is a Cylon.
*Valerii, fearing for her child, steals Thrace's Raider. In exasperation, Starbuck could only mutter: "Bitch took my ride" ([[Scattered]]). Like Helo, Starbuck was left with no way to return to the Fleet unless she could find her Raider or another Cylon spacecraft, as enemy FTL engines were the only ones sufficently powerful to reach the Fleet.
*Starbuck berates Helo's love for the Caprica copy of Valerii. Thrace finds the keys of her surplus military utility vehicle in her old jacket in her old apartment. Thrace has a ride again, if only to move more efficiently about Caprica ([[Valley of Darkness]]).
*Thrace and Helo meet a [[Caprica Resistance|resistance movement]] on Caprica. Thrace and [[Samuel Anders]] strike up a rapport as fellow [[pyramid (RDM)|pyramid]] players and end up as lovers.
*During planning to steal a [[Heavy Raider]], Thrace is shot in a military action, waking up in a hospital on Caprica. Thrace is told by her doctor, [[Simon]], that Anders died from wounds he suffered in getting Thrace to safety.
*Thrace discovers that Simon is working with a [[Number Six|known Cylon agent]]. She overhears that the next day he plans to extract her ovaries for use in the Cylon's attempts to study and create a hybrid Cylon/human embryo. Simon also makes the mistake of calling Thrace by her callsign, Starbuck, which she had never revealed.
*Staggering and in pain, Thrace kills Simon and escapes the hospital, but not before clocking a Six copy with a fire extinguisher and destroying the local farm power supply, mercy-killing [[Sue-Shaun]] and several other women in the facility.
*Another Simon copy appears just as the Resistance attacks the facility. The second Simon, now revealed as a Cylon agent himself, is immediately killed by the Resistance, but a squad of [[Cylon Centurion]]s appear and pins the Resistance down. Luckily, Helo's [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|copy of Sharon Valerii]] swoops in with a stolen [[Heavy Raider]], destroys the Centurions and flies the Resistance and Thrace out of harm's way.
*Thrace promises to Anders that she'll [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|return with a rescue mission]] for the remaining survivors. Anders returns the Arrow of Apollo to Thrace, which he hid on the resistance grounds for safekeeping ([[The Farm]]).
*Thrace, Helo and the pregnant Valerii land on the ''[[Astral Queen]]'' in the Heavy Raider. Finding the [[Laura Roslin faction]] in orbit of [[Kobol]], Thrace is reunited with Lee Adama. He kisses her impulsively, catching Thrace by pleasant surprise, but a tense standoff follows when Adama discovers that another Valerii copy has returned with them. Roslin helps defuse the situation, and Thrace delivers the Arrow of Apollo to the President.
*Temporarily removed from miltary protocol, Lee Adama playfully teases Thrace by stealing a pyramid ball she took from Caprica. Adama senses her depression about Caprica and tells her that he'd be happy to hear about any problems she had. He also let slip that he loved her, which brightened Thrace's mood to the point where she teased him back about his slip.
*With a team led by Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, and, later, joined by the recovered Commander Adama, Thrace enters the [[Tomb of Athena]] and successfully uses the Arrow of Apollo to activate a hologram that shows constellations of the Twelve Colonies' ancient symbols.
*Thrace realizes that they are on a recreation of Earth. Together with Lee Adama, they locate the Lagoon Nebula, a celestial body known to Commander Adama and Lee Adama, and gather sufficient information to begin an actual course to Earth ([[Home, Part II]]).
*Thrace shows off the impressive stealth abilities in the new [[Blackbird]] fighter in her maiden flight ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).
*With the arrival of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] summarily assigns Thrace (and Lee Adama) to ''Pegasus'' after digesting the reports of ''Galactica'''s officers.
*[[Cole Taylor|The ''Pegasus'' CAG]] removes Thrace from the Cylon recon mission. Lee Adama secretly tells her to use the [[Blackbird]] to take recon photos of the Cylon Unknown ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).
*Returning from her very successful mission, the [[Blackbird]]'s lack of a Colonial transponder is mistaken for a Cylon [[Raider]] on [[DRADIS]], and Starbuck is nearly confronted and shot at by Vipers from ''Pegasus'' and ''Galactica''. After narrowly avoiding certain death by declaring herself a friendly, Thrace transmits her recon photos to ''Pegasus''.
*Admiral Cain is very impressed with Starbuck's performance and promotes her to Captain and ''Pegasus'' CAG.
*Thrace is assigned the task of planning the joint attack on the Resurrection Ship, but successfully asks to have Lee Adama on her team, restoring him to flight status.
*After she briefs Cain and Commander Adama on her battle plan, Adama asks Thrace privately to assassinate Cain after the battle is complete. Adama fears that if Cain continues to command, the Fleet would be in mortal jeopardy from Cain's draconian command ([[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]).
*Thrace's battle planning, as before on the [[tylium]] [[The Hand of God (RDM)|mine]], works to near-perfection, with the Resurrection Ship destroyed and its supporting basestars.
*As a result of the battle events, Thrace is left without backup as she walks to the ''Pegasus'' CIC to shoot Cain, obviously afraid and apprehensive. When Commander Adama calls, Thrace slowly moves her hand to her sidearm but, to her relief, Adama does not give the kill order and cryptically instructs her to stand down ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).
*Starbuck and [[Kat]] are involved in the protection of a mining operation from periodic Raider attacks. One Raider, nicknamed [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]], fuels an intensive rivalry for the pilot's "top gun" honor. Thrace, still depressed over her inability to convince Fleet command to initiate a rescue for Samuel Anders and his resistance, drinks heavily and obsesses over removing Scar from the sky, even at the cost of her life. Fortunately, Starbuck realizes the futility of her actions, and works together with Kat to destroy the remarkably dangerous Raider ([[Scar]]).
*A few weeks later, Thrace takes leave on ''[[Cloud Nine]]'' when she was dragooned into rescuing Lee Adama and several other ''Galactica'' crew and residents after terrorists take them hostage in exchange for the incarcerated [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]. Thrace gathers intel on the situation, but her cover is blown. In the retreating firefight, Lee Adama is caught in the crossfire. After the situation is resolved, Thrace intended to sit at Adama's bedside, only to discover that Dualla beat her there ([[Sacrifice]]).
*Later, Thrace is assigned to ''Pegasus'' as a flight trainer. Though the pilots like her, Commander [[Barry Garner]] does not, eventually confining her to quarters for "insubordination." Following the [[Battle of the Binary Star System|ill-fated rescue and retreat]] from a Cylon ambush (where Thrace leads the fighters), Thrace informs new ''Pegasus'' Commander Lee Adama that she was taking over his old CAG post aboard ''Galactica'' ([[The Captain's Hand]]).
*Thrace gets her wish: The Caprica rescue is approved, and she leads a large Raptor squadron to the planet. The group soon met up with Anders, who reports that their HQ had been destroyed and Thrace's timing was just perfect. A squad of Centurions ambush and pin down the group moments later ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).
*Still pinned down from attack fire, Starbuck and Anders agree to kill each other to avoid capture and interrment at a [[Farms|farm]]. But the attack stops, and a [[Cavil|man]] appears, praising the [[Lords of Kobol|Gods]] as he announces that the Cylons not only have ceased fire, but are abandoning the Twelve Colonies. Starbuck isn't really surprised to discover that the man, known as Brother [[Cavil]], was a Cylon upon their return to the Fleet.
*Starbuck and Anders proceed to get drunk, and host a disastrous visitation with Lee Adama. This apparently led to a rift between the two comrades.
[[Image:Leobenkara.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Leoben with Kara.]]
*The evening of the founding of [[New Caprica]], Thrace slept with Lee Adama and proclaimed her love for him as she was uncertain regarding her feelings toward Anders. The following morning she quickly married Anders in a ceremonry near the river. This caused a rift between Kara and Lee that lasted for over a year.
*Life on New Caprica tempered Thrace, and she often behaved in ways Starbuck never would have, including hugging Colonel Tigh and pampering Anders during his bout with an illness.
*She watches in horror at the sudden arrival of hundreds of Cylon ships in the sky over New Caprica. A few of ''Galactica's'' former crew gather near Thrace, looking to her for guidance. Starbuck responds the only way she knows how: "Fight 'em until we can't" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).
*After Baltar's surrender of New Caprica, Conoy keeps Thrace prisoner in an apartment located within the Cylon-built [[New Caprica Detention Center]] in an attempt to convince Thrace that she loves him and also convert her to the [[Cylon Religion|Cylon monotheistic religion]]. She repeatedly kills Conoy a total of five times in an attempt to convince him to let her go ([[Occupation]], [[Precipice]]).
*Conoy introduces Thrace to a small child named [[Kacey]], who appears to be approximately two to three years in age, whom he claims is their biological daughter. He explains that the child was created using one of Thrace's extracted ovaries ([[The Farm]]) and his genetic material. Conflicted, Thrace leaves the child unattended, which later results in Kacey falling down the apartment's stairs ([[Precipice]]). After the fall, Thrace begins to change her attitude towards the child and begins to offer affection towards Conoy ([[Precipice]], [[Exodus, Part I]]).
*Upon her return to ''Galactica'' after Admiral Adama's daring rescue attempt, Thrace heartbreakingly discovers that Kacey was simply another manipulation on Conoy's part — Kacey is merely a human child whom the Cylons had abducted months ago ([[Exodus, Part II]]).
*Bearing the psychological scars of her four month ordeal with Leoben and Kacey, Thrace is recruited by [[Seelix]] as a last minute replacement juror in [[The Circle]] after [[Samuel Anders]]' resignation. She is the fifth vote to find Gaeta of treason and collaboration. Thrace's involvement in the Circle precipitates the breakup of her marriage with Anders. Later, when Gaeta is about to be sentenced and executed in one of ''Galactica's'' [[launch tubes]], she demands him to beg for his life. Thrace physically assaults him and goes down the litany of "lies" that Gaeta told her earlier about him helping the [[New Caprica Resistance|insurgency]]. As she does so, [[Galen Tyrol]], one of the Circle's jurors and the sixth vote to convict, overhears this and confirms the story. In a sense of confusion after learning that Gaeta was telling the truth, Thrace leaves the launch tube ([[Collaborators]]).
*During a combat exercise between Vipers, Thrace breaks formation and collides with another pilot, forcing an end to the war games and causing Apollo to revoke her flight status. Later, at her bunk she is met by Kacey and her mother, whom she dismisses, telling Kacey's mother not to visit her again. In the pilots' rec room, Thrace and Colonel Tigh begin to sow dissent between the survivors of New Caprica and the crew that stayed behind on ''Galactica'', insinuating that those who stayed behind did not suffer like those on New Caprica did, and that the crew of ''Galactica'' took too long to organize a rescue. Admiral Adama, upon learning of this from [[Karl Agathon]], confronts Thrace and Tigh on their behavior. He challenges them to shoot him, as their constant complaining is tantamount to pulling the trigger. When neither do, Adama throws Thrace off her chair and demands that both she and Tigh shape up and move on with their lives. Spurred by Adama's words, Thrace cuts her hair and returns to duty. Later, in uniform, she visits Kacey and her mother on the [[Camp Oil Slick|converted hangar deck]] ([[Torn]]).

==Notes==
*On the Sci-Fi Channel's preview for season 2.5 (US), Katee Sackoff is quoted as saying that Starbuck is "the best Viper pilot...EVER."
*[[Wikipedia:Thrace|Thrace]] was a region in south-eastern Europe that was heavily influenced by the ancient Greeks and was eventually conquered by [[Wikipedia:Philip_II_of_Macedonia|Phillip II of Macedonia]]. Thracians were considered by most to be the most ferocious fighters and were often highly paid mercenaries for Greek kings.
*After auditioning for the role of [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]], [[Grace Park]] was asked by director [[Michael Rymer]] to audition for the role of Starbuck, and she was actually one of two finalists up for the role (the other being Katee Sackhoff, who got the part). Ultimately Park was cast as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon "Boomer" Valerri]].
*In a TV Guide [http://online.tvguide.com/newsearch/detail.aspx?id=4371595&sourcetype=S&progseriesparentid=4371595&tvobjectid=191395&keyword=Battlestar+Galactica&referrer=search1 photo shoot] at the BSG studios, Katee Sackhoff explained that the [[tattoo]] that Starbuck bears on her left arm is a wing and a circle and has half of the constellation of Capricorn (a reference to [[Caprica]] obviously) and a small symbol of the planet as well. It matches a mirror image of the tattoo on Anders' right arm. When the two of them hold each other with their respective arms crossing, the 2 tattoos come together to form an image of a single ring with 2 wings that is supposed to represent their union. According to Sackhoff, Kara and Anders had the tattoos done around the time of their wedding.
*The license plate on Thrace's truck on Caprica is "FB 42 E3" ([[Valley of Darkness]]).
*{{spoiltext|At a SF convention in Indianapolis in November 2006, actress Sackhoff noted that her filming for season 3, as well as her contract, ended with episode 16, "[[Maelstrom]]," strongly suggesting that Starbuck may be the central character that may be killed during season 3 as noted by producers Moore and Eick.}}

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R and D TV

2006-11-28T20:03:18Z

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[[Image:Rdtv.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"Got a brainstorm...!"]]

At the end of the credits of every episode of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]], writer/developer [[Ron D. Moore]] and producer [[David Eick]] present themselves in cartoon form inside their office settling developmental arguments by maiming each other alternately in humorously creative and highly violent ways. This animation is the production logo (of sorts) for '''R & D TV''', ''Battlestar Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s production company. Each cartoon is immediately followed by the NBC Universal logo.

The background pictures in the office also change periodically for unknown reasons.

The victim of each attack usually starts to suggest an idea ("Get this..!", "I think..", "I've got it..", etc.) as a lightbulb appears over the head of the episode's victim. This sign indicates that bloodshed, maiming, and/or death is about to begin. Luckily for the viewers, Ron and David are revived to write and produce again (before their next scheduled episode and subsequent R&D TV demise, at least).

Ron and David do not provide their own voices for the cartoon, but the creator of the skits impersonates their voices so well that Ron Moore has pointed out that most viewers don't notice.

Here is a summary of cartoon results tabulated to date. Each episode lasts only 5 seconds.

==[[Miniseries]]==
:''There is no R&D TV skit shown in the [[Miniseries]].''

==Season 1==
===[[33]]===
Ron lets loose a gorilla that attacks David.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22688 View this skit here]

===[[Water]]===
David beats Ron over head with a baseball bat after talking too much.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22689 View this skit here]

===[[Bastille Day]]===
Ron balls up David's body into a paper wad with eyes and shoots David through a small basketball goal. The audio of a cheering crowd saluting Ron's basket accompanies the R & D TV logo.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22690 View this skit here]

===[[Act of Contrition]]===
David throws Ron through the office window to be run over by a passing NBC studio van.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22691 View this skit here]

===[[You Can't Go Home Again]]===
Ron slaps David so hard that his head spins 360 degrees. David cries out as if he were ''bitc''...well...he cries out without much masculinity...

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22692 View this skit here]

===[[Litmus]]===
David calls a shark to eat Ron with his whistle.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22693 View this skit here]

===[[Six Degrees of Separation]]===
David smirks "Major brainstorm" then Ron pulls out a magic wand (complete with a star on top), says, "No bones", and zaps David's bones away, leaving him a boneless mass that crumples to the floor.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22694 View this skit here]

===[[Flesh and Bone]]===
Ron sings, "I've got an idea" as the office looks like in a concert, and David rips a portion of Ron's shirt off.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22815 View this skit here]

===[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]===
As David says, "...This'll kill ya..." Ron brings on an armored knight, whose mace crushes David's skull as David says "Oh my God..!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22695 View this skit here]

===[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]===
David subjects Ron to death (or maybe just intense stinging) by a thousand paper cuts — to the face.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22696 View this skit here]

===[[Colonial Day]]===
David proposes "Rock, Paper, Scissors", and Ron says "Go". As David prepares a large set of scissors, Ron goes off-screen to find a very large rock, dropping it on David's body to squish him flat, winning the match.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22697 View this skit here]

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]===
Ron says "This will shock you..." David flings magic lightning from his fingers at Ron, who is transformed into Martha Stewart by the lightning's effects.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22699 View this skit here]

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]===
Before the two can suggest suggesting an idea, a courier makes a special delivery with packages for each. A small toy vibrophone playing "Pop Goes the Weasel" is heard as the packages open with monsterous heads that look like the courier on springs. The heads promptly consume both David and Ron.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22698 View this skit here]

==Season 2==

===[[Scattered]]===
Ron says in an exaggerated cowboy accent, "I've got an I-dear!". David smacks him in the face, and it falls off, revealing that he is a robot, in an homage to the film "[[Wikipedia:Westworld|Westworld]]."

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22808 View this skit here]

===[[Valley of Darkness]]===
David gets an idea, not noticing [[Cylon Centurion]]s appearing outside the window. Ron runs away, and David is riddled with bullets by the Centurions. ''This is a take-off from the plot of "Valley of Darkness"''.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22767 View this skit here]

===[[Fragged]]===
:''This skit is re-used from a previous episode.''

===[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]===
Ron says, "This is hot". David says, "So is ''this''", whips out a drying iron, and melts Ron's face with it.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22809 View this skit here]

===[[The Farm]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Litmus]]."''

===[[Home, Part I]]===
David says "Jot this down." Ron says "OK" and proceeds to use his pen to violently carve the word "THIS" into David's forehead.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22810 View this skit here]

===[[Home, Part II]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]."''

===[[Final Cut]]===
David suggests an idea, but is interupted by the telephone ringing, and Ron answers it. Annoyed, David jams the telephone into Ron's head, then shouts in the mouthpiece, greatly amplified, "Can you hear me ''now''?" as Ron screams from the din.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22811 View this skit here]

===[[Flight of the Phoenix]]===
David gets an idea and says "this will make your jaw drop." Ron punches David in the jaw, making his head swivel around in a circle on his neck, and David's jaw drops off.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22812 View this skit here]

===[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]===
Ron says, "Here's a good one..." David pushes a football into the hands of Ron, who is quickly tackled (and decapitated by its force) by a football player. The audio of a whistle accompanies the R & D TV logo.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22820 View this skit here]

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]===
David goes, "Bingo! Let's...", but Ron interrupts with a R&D TV weather bulletin, complete with a national map which covers the entire office: "This just in...Lightning." David is cleaved by the lightning strike.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22813 View this skit here]

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]===
As Ron says, "I need your verdict on this one. What if...?" David quickly transforms into a British Lord, complete with robe, wig, and a very, very large gavel, and pummels Ron in one shot into a barely recognizable goo. David replies: "I hate it!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22814 View this skit here]

===[[Epiphanies]]===
Ron states, "I think..." just as David pinches Ron's butt. "Cut it out!" Ron cries. When David tries again, Ron reveals a sword and removes David's offending arm. "Testy," David answers.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22821 View this skit here]

===[[Black Market]]===
Ron suggests "Monsters!" when David himself explodes into a multi-tentacled monster (which looks surprisingly like a creature from [[Wikipedia:The Thing (film)|John Carpenter's The Thing]]), which attacks Ron furiously.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22816 View this skit here]

===[[Scar]]===
David suggests a "Valentine's Day episode." Ron disagrees at David's suggestion, instead, heaves a jack-o-lantern over David's head and eats a candy bar in celebration.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22817 View this skit here]

===[[Sacrifice]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Valley of Darkness]]".''

===[[The Captain's Hand]]===
Ron says "I know," but David interrupts, asking "Hungry?" as he hands Ron an apple. Ron lifts the apple to his mouth and David pulls out a bow and shoots the apple and Ron's face in one smooth motion.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22887 View this skit here]

===[[Downloaded]]===
:''This skit is re-used from a "[[Scar]]".''

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]===
David suggests, "New scenery." Ron snaps his fingers to change the office into a surreal mountainous area as he escapes out of the picture. David enjoys the change for only a moment into a tyrannosaurus pounces on him like a cat on a ball of string.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22818 View this skit here]

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]===
David begins to play a flute as Ron says, "...And now a moment of zen as we reflect on season 2..." Ron can't finish his thought as he is swallowed by a very large viper David has summoned. Seeing Ron being eaten, David says, "Payback!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22819 View this skit here]

==[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]==
:''There is no R&D TV skit in the webisode series, ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''.''

==Season 3==


===[[Occupation]]===
Ron suggests an idea.

===[[Precipice]]===
David suggests an idea.

===[[Exodus, Part I]]===

David, with accompanying lightbulb, exclaims, "This will mark new territory". Ron responds with his own lightbulb, and the office is transformed into a moonscape, with Earth setting in the background behind a passing viper. Ron is now wearing a space suit and reaches out of scene for something. David warns, "Don't do it", before Ron stabs him in the chest with a flag bearing the R&D TV logo.

===[[Exodus, Part II]]===
===[[Collaborators]]===

David suggests, "More rebels".

===[[Torn]]===
===[[A Measure of Salvation]]===
===[[Hero]]===
===[[Unfinished Business]]===
===[[The Passage]]===
===[[The Eye of Jupiter]]===
===[[Rapture]]===
===[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]===
===[[The Woman King]]===
===[[A Day in the Life]]===

==External links==
* [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations Closing Animations on SCIFI.COM]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Technology]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Weapons]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]

R and D TV

2006-11-28T19:59:54Z

Pix: /* Exodus, Part I */

{{sillypage}}
{{Wrongtitle|title=R&D TV}}
[[Image:Rdtv.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"Got a brainstorm...!"]]

At the end of the credits of every episode of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]], writer/developer [[Ron D. Moore]] and producer [[David Eick]] present themselves in cartoon form inside their office settling developmental arguments by maiming each other alternately in humorously creative and highly violent ways. This animation is the production logo (of sorts) for '''R & D TV''', ''Battlestar Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s production company. Each cartoon is immediately followed by the NBC Universal logo.

The background pictures in the office also change periodically for unknown reasons.

The victim of each attack usually starts to suggest an idea ("Get this..!", "I think..", "I've got it..", etc.) as a lightbulb appears over the head of the episode's victim. This sign indicates that bloodshed, maiming, and/or death is about to begin. Luckily for the viewers, Ron and David are revived to write and produce again (before their next scheduled episode and subsequent R&D TV demise, at least).

Ron and David do not provide their own voices for the cartoon, but the creator of the skits impersonates their voices so well that Ron Moore has pointed out that most viewers don't notice.

Here is a summary of cartoon results tabulated to date. Each episode lasts only 5 seconds.

==[[Miniseries]]==
:''There is no R&D TV skit shown in the [[Miniseries]].''

==Season 1==
===[[33]]===
Ron lets loose a gorilla that attacks David.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22688 View this skit here]

===[[Water]]===
David beats Ron over head with a baseball bat after talking too much.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22689 View this skit here]

===[[Bastille Day]]===
Ron balls up David's body into a paper wad with eyes and shoots David through a small basketball goal. The audio of a cheering crowd saluting Ron's basket accompanies the R & D TV logo.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22690 View this skit here]

===[[Act of Contrition]]===
David throws Ron through the office window to be run over by a passing NBC studio van.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22691 View this skit here]

===[[You Can't Go Home Again]]===
Ron slaps David so hard that his head spins 360 degrees. David cries out as if he were ''bitc''...well...he cries out without much masculinity...

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22692 View this skit here]

===[[Litmus]]===
David calls a shark to eat Ron with his whistle.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22693 View this skit here]

===[[Six Degrees of Separation]]===
David smirks "Major brainstorm" then Ron pulls out a magic wand (complete with a star on top), says, "No bones", and zaps David's bones away, leaving him a boneless mass that crumples to the floor.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22694 View this skit here]

===[[Flesh and Bone]]===
Ron sings, "I've got an idea" as the office looks like in a concert, and David rips a portion of Ron's shirt off.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22815 View this skit here]

===[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]===
As David says, "...This'll kill ya..." Ron brings on an armored knight, whose mace crushes David's skull as David says "Oh my God..!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22695 View this skit here]

===[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]===
David subjects Ron to death (or maybe just intense stinging) by a thousand paper cuts — to the face.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22696 View this skit here]

===[[Colonial Day]]===
David proposes "Rock, Paper, Scissors", and Ron says "Go". As David prepares a large set of scissors, Ron goes off-screen to find a very large rock, dropping it on David's body to squish him flat, winning the match.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22697 View this skit here]

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]===
Ron says "This will shock you..." David flings magic lightning from his fingers at Ron, who is transformed into Martha Stewart by the lightning's effects.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22699 View this skit here]

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]===
Before the two can suggest suggesting an idea, a courier makes a special delivery with packages for each. A small toy vibrophone playing "Pop Goes the Weasel" is heard as the packages open with monsterous heads that look like the courier on springs. The heads promptly consume both David and Ron.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22698 View this skit here]

==Season 2==

===[[Scattered]]===
Ron says in an exaggerated cowboy accent, "I've got an I-dear!". David smacks him in the face, and it falls off, revealing that he is a robot, in an homage to the film "[[Wikipedia:Westworld|Westworld]]."

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22808 View this skit here]

===[[Valley of Darkness]]===
David gets an idea, not noticing [[Cylon Centurion]]s appearing outside the window. Ron runs away, and David is riddled with bullets by the Centurions. ''This is a take-off from the plot of "Valley of Darkness"''.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22767 View this skit here]

===[[Fragged]]===
:''This skit is re-used from a previous episode.''

===[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]===
Ron says, "This is hot". David says, "So is ''this''", whips out a drying iron, and melts Ron's face with it.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22809 View this skit here]

===[[The Farm]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Litmus]]."''

===[[Home, Part I]]===
David says "Jot this down." Ron says "OK" and proceeds to use his pen to violently carve the word "THIS" into David's forehead.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22810 View this skit here]

===[[Home, Part II]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]."''

===[[Final Cut]]===
David suggests an idea, but is interupted by the telephone ringing, and Ron answers it. Annoyed, David jams the telephone into Ron's head, then shouts in the mouthpiece, greatly amplified, "Can you hear me ''now''?" as Ron screams from the din.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22811 View this skit here]

===[[Flight of the Phoenix]]===
David gets an idea and says "this will make your jaw drop." Ron punches David in the jaw, making his head swivel around in a circle on his neck, and David's jaw drops off.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22812 View this skit here]

===[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]===
Ron says, "Here's a good one..." David pushes a football into the hands of Ron, who is quickly tackled (and decapitated by its force) by a football player. The audio of a whistle accompanies the R & D TV logo.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22820 View this skit here]

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]===
David goes, "Bingo! Let's...", but Ron interrupts with a R&D TV weather bulletin, complete with a national map which covers the entire office: "This just in...Lightning." David is cleaved by the lightning strike.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22813 View this skit here]

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]===
As Ron says, "I need your verdict on this one. What if...?" David quickly transforms into a British Lord, complete with robe, wig, and a very, very large gavel, and pummels Ron in one shot into a barely recognizable goo. David replies: "I hate it!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22814 View this skit here]

===[[Epiphanies]]===
Ron states, "I think..." just as David pinches Ron's butt. "Cut it out!" Ron cries. When David tries again, Ron reveals a sword and removes David's offending arm. "Testy," David answers.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22821 View this skit here]

===[[Black Market]]===
Ron suggests "Monsters!" when David himself explodes into a multi-tentacled monster (which looks surprisingly like a creature from [[Wikipedia:The Thing (film)|John Carpenter's The Thing]]), which attacks Ron furiously.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22816 View this skit here]

===[[Scar]]===
David suggests a "Valentine's Day episode." Ron disagrees at David's suggestion, instead, heaves a jack-o-lantern over David's head and eats a candy bar in celebration.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22817 View this skit here]

===[[Sacrifice]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Valley of Darkness]]".''

===[[The Captain's Hand]]===
Ron says "I know," but David interrupts, asking "Hungry?" as he hands Ron an apple. Ron lifts the apple to his mouth and David pulls out a bow and shoots the apple and Ron's face in one smooth motion.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22887 View this skit here]

===[[Downloaded]]===
:''This skit is re-used from a "[[Scar]]".''

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]===
David suggests, "New scenery." Ron snaps his fingers to change the office into a surreal mountainous area as he escapes out of the picture. David enjoys the change for only a moment into a tyrannosaurus pounces on him like a cat on a ball of string.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22818 View this skit here]

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]===
David begins to play a flute as Ron says, "...And now a moment of zen as we reflect on season 2..." Ron can't finish his thought as he is swallowed by a very large viper David has summoned. Seeing Ron being eaten, David says, "Payback!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22819 View this skit here]

==[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]==
:''There is no R&D TV skit in the webisode series, ''[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]''.''

==Season 3==


===[[Occupation]]===
Ron suggests an idea.

===[[Precipice]]===
David suggests an idea.

===[[Exodus, Part I]]===

David, with accompanying lightbulb, exclaims, "This will mark new territory". Ron responds with his own lightbulb, and the office is transformed into a moonscape, with Earth setting in the background behind a passing viper. Ron is now wearing a space suit and reaches out of scene for something. David warns, "Don't do it", before Ron stabs him in the chest with a flag bearing the R&D TV logo.

===[[Exodus, Part II]]===
===[[Collaborators]]===
===[[Torn]]===
===[[A Measure of Salvation]]===
===[[Hero]]===
===[[Unfinished Business]]===
===[[The Passage]]===
===[[The Eye of Jupiter]]===
===[[Rapture]]===
===[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]===
===[[The Woman King]]===
===[[A Day in the Life]]===

==External links==
* [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations Closing Animations on SCIFI.COM]

[[Category:A to Z]]
[[Category:RDM]]
[[Category:Technology]]
[[Category:Terminology]]
[[Category:Weapons]]
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]

R and D TV

2006-11-28T19:59:29Z

Pix: /* Exodus, Part I */

{{sillypage}}
{{Wrongtitle|title=R&D TV}}
[[Image:Rdtv.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"Got a brainstorm...!"]]

At the end of the credits of every episode of [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]], writer/developer [[Ron D. Moore]] and producer [[David Eick]] present themselves in cartoon form inside their office settling developmental arguments by maiming each other alternately in humorously creative and highly violent ways. This animation is the production logo (of sorts) for '''R & D TV''', ''Battlestar Galactica''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s production company. Each cartoon is immediately followed by the NBC Universal logo.

The background pictures in the office also change periodically for unknown reasons.

The victim of each attack usually starts to suggest an idea ("Get this..!", "I think..", "I've got it..", etc.) as a lightbulb appears over the head of the episode's victim. This sign indicates that bloodshed, maiming, and/or death is about to begin. Luckily for the viewers, Ron and David are revived to write and produce again (before their next scheduled episode and subsequent R&D TV demise, at least).

Ron and David do not provide their own voices for the cartoon, but the creator of the skits impersonates their voices so well that Ron Moore has pointed out that most viewers don't notice.

Here is a summary of cartoon results tabulated to date. Each episode lasts only 5 seconds.

==[[Miniseries]]==
:''There is no R&D TV skit shown in the [[Miniseries]].''

==Season 1==
===[[33]]===
Ron lets loose a gorilla that attacks David.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22688 View this skit here]

===[[Water]]===
David beats Ron over head with a baseball bat after talking too much.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22689 View this skit here]

===[[Bastille Day]]===
Ron balls up David's body into a paper wad with eyes and shoots David through a small basketball goal. The audio of a cheering crowd saluting Ron's basket accompanies the R & D TV logo.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22690 View this skit here]

===[[Act of Contrition]]===
David throws Ron through the office window to be run over by a passing NBC studio van.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22691 View this skit here]

===[[You Can't Go Home Again]]===
Ron slaps David so hard that his head spins 360 degrees. David cries out as if he were ''bitc''...well...he cries out without much masculinity...

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22692 View this skit here]

===[[Litmus]]===
David calls a shark to eat Ron with his whistle.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22693 View this skit here]

===[[Six Degrees of Separation]]===
David smirks "Major brainstorm" then Ron pulls out a magic wand (complete with a star on top), says, "No bones", and zaps David's bones away, leaving him a boneless mass that crumples to the floor.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22694 View this skit here]

===[[Flesh and Bone]]===
Ron sings, "I've got an idea" as the office looks like in a concert, and David rips a portion of Ron's shirt off.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22815 View this skit here]

===[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]===
As David says, "...This'll kill ya..." Ron brings on an armored knight, whose mace crushes David's skull as David says "Oh my God..!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22695 View this skit here]

===[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]===
David subjects Ron to death (or maybe just intense stinging) by a thousand paper cuts — to the face.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22696 View this skit here]

===[[Colonial Day]]===
David proposes "Rock, Paper, Scissors", and Ron says "Go". As David prepares a large set of scissors, Ron goes off-screen to find a very large rock, dropping it on David's body to squish him flat, winning the match.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22697 View this skit here]

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]===
Ron says "This will shock you..." David flings magic lightning from his fingers at Ron, who is transformed into Martha Stewart by the lightning's effects.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22699 View this skit here]

===[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]===
Before the two can suggest suggesting an idea, a courier makes a special delivery with packages for each. A small toy vibrophone playing "Pop Goes the Weasel" is heard as the packages open with monsterous heads that look like the courier on springs. The heads promptly consume both David and Ron.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&seas=1&vid=22698 View this skit here]

==Season 2==

===[[Scattered]]===
Ron says in an exaggerated cowboy accent, "I've got an I-dear!". David smacks him in the face, and it falls off, revealing that he is a robot, in an homage to the film "[[Wikipedia:Westworld|Westworld]]."

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22808 View this skit here]

===[[Valley of Darkness]]===
David gets an idea, not noticing [[Cylon Centurion]]s appearing outside the window. Ron runs away, and David is riddled with bullets by the Centurions. ''This is a take-off from the plot of "Valley of Darkness"''.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22767 View this skit here]

===[[Fragged]]===
:''This skit is re-used from a previous episode.''

===[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]===
Ron says, "This is hot". David says, "So is ''this''", whips out a drying iron, and melts Ron's face with it.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22809 View this skit here]

===[[The Farm]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Litmus]]."''

===[[Home, Part I]]===
David says "Jot this down." Ron says "OK" and proceeds to use his pen to violently carve the word "THIS" into David's forehead.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22810 View this skit here]

===[[Home, Part II]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]."''

===[[Final Cut]]===
David suggests an idea, but is interupted by the telephone ringing, and Ron answers it. Annoyed, David jams the telephone into Ron's head, then shouts in the mouthpiece, greatly amplified, "Can you hear me ''now''?" as Ron screams from the din.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22811 View this skit here]

===[[Flight of the Phoenix]]===
David gets an idea and says "this will make your jaw drop." Ron punches David in the jaw, making his head swivel around in a circle on his neck, and David's jaw drops off.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22812 View this skit here]

===[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]===
Ron says, "Here's a good one..." David pushes a football into the hands of Ron, who is quickly tackled (and decapitated by its force) by a football player. The audio of a whistle accompanies the R & D TV logo.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22820 View this skit here]

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]===
David goes, "Bingo! Let's...", but Ron interrupts with a R&D TV weather bulletin, complete with a national map which covers the entire office: "This just in...Lightning." David is cleaved by the lightning strike.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22813 View this skit here]

===[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]===
As Ron says, "I need your verdict on this one. What if...?" David quickly transforms into a British Lord, complete with robe, wig, and a very, very large gavel, and pummels Ron in one shot into a barely recognizable goo. David replies: "I hate it!"

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22814 View this skit here]

===[[Epiphanies]]===
Ron states, "I think..." just as David pinches Ron's butt. "Cut it out!" Ron cries. When David tries again, Ron reveals a sword and removes David's offending arm. "Testy," David answers.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22821 View this skit here]

===[[Black Market]]===
Ron suggests "Monsters!" when David himself explodes into a multi-tentacled monster (which looks surprisingly like a creature from [[Wikipedia:The Thing (film)|John Carpenter's The Thing]]), which attacks Ron furiously.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22816 View this skit here]

===[[Scar]]===
David suggests a "Valentine's Day episode." Ron disagrees at David's suggestion, instead, heaves a jack-o-lantern over David's head and eats a candy bar in celebration.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22817 View this skit here]

===[[Sacrifice]]===
:''This skit is re-used from "[[Valley of Darkness]]".''

===[[The Captain's Hand]]===
Ron says "I know," but David interrupts, asking "Hungry?" as he hands Ron an apple. Ron lifts the apple to his mouth and David pulls out a bow and shoots the apple and Ron's face in one smooth motion.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22887 View this skit here]

===[[Downloaded]]===
:''This skit is re-used from a "[[Scar]]".''

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]===
David suggests, "New scenery." Ron snaps his fingers to change the office into a surreal mountainous area as he escapes out of the picture. David enjoys the change for only a moment into a tyrannosaurus pounces on him like a cat on a ball of string.

[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=closingAnimations&vid=22818 View this skit here]

===[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]===
David begins to play a flute as Ron says, "...And now a moment of zen as we reflect on season 2..." Ron can't finish his thought as he is swallowed by a very large viper David has summoned. Seeing Ron being eaten, David says, "Payback!"

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==[[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]==
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==Season 3==


===[[Occupation]]===
Ron suggests an idea.

===[[Precipice]]===
David suggests an idea.

===[[Exodus, Part I]]===

David, with accompanying lightbulb, exclaims, "This will mark new territory". Ron responds with his own lightbulb, and the office is transformed into a moonscape, with earth setting in the background behind a passing viper. Ron is now wearing a space suit and reaches out of scene for something. David warns, "Don't do it", before Ron stabs him in the chest with a flag bearing the R&D TV logo.

===[[Exodus, Part II]]===
===[[Collaborators]]===
===[[Torn]]===
===[[A Measure of Salvation]]===
===[[Hero]]===
===[[Unfinished Business]]===
===[[The Passage]]===
===[[The Eye of Jupiter]]===
===[[Rapture]]===
===[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]===
===[[The Woman King]]===
===[[A Day in the Life]]===

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Talk:A Measure of Salvation/Archive 1

2006-11-18T01:42:27Z

Pix: /* sickbay ship */

==Picture?==
Is that picture from A Measure of Salvation? I don't remember Three and Six projecting themselves into a forest. The outfits they are wearing look like what they wore while torturing Baltar, so maybe it's from a deleted scene. Unless I've forgotten the scene for some reason, shouldn't we get a picture that actually came from the episode? -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 12:10, 11 November 2006 (CST)

== Some Poor Writing ==

Attention to detail is what has set BSG apart from so many other science-fiction shows - including Mr. Moore's Star Trek franchises. So I was very disappointed last night to see the sloppy errors piling up deep. I'd have to see the epsiode again to list them all, but mainly them problems concerned the virus.

The scene where potentially infected Galactica crew are "quarantined", together with Sharon, in a room with cold-storage plastic flaps was ridiculous.

It's preposterous to think that a cylon would casually betray his race for the anti-viral drug. He has no assurance that he won't be double-crossed, and he certainly - even after torture - wouldn't spell out the danger the virus poses to the cylon fleet. The audience isn't stupid and neither should the Galctica crew be. Seeing Lee with a dim little lightbulb over his head was just insulting to us all.

Past episodes have cleary shown that cylon ressurection occurs over significant distances, (greater than FTL jumps), and that calls into question the fundemental logistics of Adama's infection plan.

There would be no reason to jump Galactica itself, just sending one raptor with a cylon transponder and one infected cylon would have done the trick. (Nevermind the ease with which two cylon raiders almost instantly materialize into a whole cylon fleet with a resurrectionship conveniently in tow.)

The analysis on the episode summary page provides an excellent plot device allowing the raid to "succeed" thus justifying the major build-up of the two part story. In fact, it would have made a superb three part arc.

Hypothetical episode 3: Spend some realistic period of time finding a reasonably sized cylon fleet, infect them, virus begins spreading throughout area covered by the "local" resurrection ship. Cylons scramble to head off disease, Baltar gains points by developing Hera vaccine, cylons survive but with major "body-blow" giving Galactica and fleet some breathing room as they prepare to investigate the new lead to Earth.

Please don't get me wrong, I love this show, but sci-fi writing has always been done on the cheap and it make my eyes roll as I struggle to care about characters forced through non-sensical plot contortions. Please, Mr. Moore, DON'T LET BSG SINK TO THE SAME SAD FATE! I'm trusting that this was just a hiccup not a trend.

--[[User:IanB|IanB]] 13:08, 11 November 2006 (CST)

:In defense of the writers, I think you are wrong on two points:
:*Jumping Galactica makes sense. In [[Scar]] Cylon Raiders are engaging in skirmishes despite the absence of a resurrection ship. A Raptor is not a big enough threat to guarantee the presence of a resurrection ship. If one isn't in range by accident the Cylons would probably engage the Raptor without it and take a minor risk of permanently loosing a few raiders. And after [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]] the Cylons could be exspected to take a closer look to any unexpected Raptors with a Cylon transponder showing up. If they destroy it without a resurrection ship in range, the plans failed. Also Racetrack stated last episode that there is a shortage of Raptors in the fleet, noone is going to be eager to sacrifice one. Jumping Galactica ensures the Cylon require lots of forces, expect lot's of casualties and have a resurrection ship nearby, though I could have done without seeing it arrive on the battlefield, that's bad and inconsistent strategy, just to make sure the audience knows that it is in range.

:*There is probably a greater timespan between arrival of the patrol and that of the strikeforce then shown onscreen. Helo manipulates the oxygen-system after the jump, nevertheless the prisoners are already dead by the time the resurrection ship appears, indicating a least a few minutes have passed. The process can be seen in [[Flight of the Phoenix]] in the firing range scene (it's likely that Helo manipulated the same system).

:Two more plotholes I noticed: How do the Colonials know the Cylon supply lines? And given that they know Athena is immune because she's given birth to a hybrid child, they should wonder if there a more human-cylon hybrids. Even without knowing that Hera is still alive, if the massive Cylon effort to create hybrids resulted in creating at least one more hybrid the cylons would take a blow, but would not be exstinct. By the way it would be nice if we would hear something about these efforts. When Hera is shown for the first time in Cylon hands would be a good opportunity to close that chapter with a throwaway line that all these efforts were fruitless and stopped. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 11:24, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:: That's an interesting question -- one that I had myself, actually. Even if the effort didn't destroy the Cylon race (and I think that goal is overly optimistic), the virus would have given a serious blow to the Cylons, which would only serve to give the survivors more breathing room -- not to metion the increase in general morale, which the survivors seriously need after the farce at New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

I would have to agree the writing is poor. The series seems to be drifting from its roots and moving into the Hollywood PC political statement world. This season has already thrown in suicide bombing and implied it was acceptable, now there is a drift into making political statements about biological weapons (even though nuclear weapons have been freely used in the past.) It seems the writers are abandoning their science fiction roots and reaching to make their own personal social or political commentary. I do hope they get back to what I considered truly exceptional science fiction and stop these editorials.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 00:06, 12 November 2006 (CST)

Followup: According to and article on the Gateworld site ([http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2006/10/season_three_ratings_slip_from_premiere.shtml]) the ratings have been slipping. As much as I truly love this show, I know my wife and I were both rather disgusted with the previous inclusion of the suicide bombers and now the “loss of humanity” references associated with the potential use of biological weapons. I have also heard complaints from two of our friends. I’m concerned that if this direction is continued it will not only ruin the show, it will also drive away viewers resulting in cancelation. As a long time science fiction fan (I even remember watching the original showings of Lost in Space and the first Star Trek) this has been my all time favorite show up until now. I would hate to see it have an early demise. As I mentioned above, I hope the writers can return to science fiction and entertainment.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 16:13, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:: Ratings have been slipping for ''SG-1'' and ''Atlantis'' as well; neither have the strong allegories to today's world, or the world of yesteryear for that matter. So I don't fully buy that there's a direct correlation between the creative direction BSG is going and the loss in viewership. Actually, one could probably argue (more successfully in my informed opinion) that the loss of ratings has more to do with Sci-Fi's scheduling decisions of breaking up the "Three Amigos" (''Stargate SG-1'', ''Stargate Atlantis'' and ''Battlestar Galactica''). As for the "loss of humanity" and suicide bombing themes, these have existed since the miniseries (Number Five's suicide bombing attempt in "[[Litmus]]" and Adama's speech in the miniseries and platitudes since then). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

::: In my very informed opinion, I would have to disagree on several points. While time slots and lineup can affect ratings, this usually is reflected in those of the shows with the weaker individual draw. Galactica is a cornerstone show which should draw up the ratings for those around it rather than have such a slump from a lineup change.

::: As for the previous Friday lineup, SG-1 ratings have steadily declined since the departure of Richard Dean Anderson. His departure also seemed to coincide with decline in the quality of the writing, though I’m not convinced the two were related rather than just coincidental. I have always believed the SG Atlantis was the weak link in that lineup and was carried by its position between SG-1 and BSG. As mentioned in the article I referenced above, Dr. Who, which leads into BSG, has had poor ratings this season. I believe the replacement of the very likable actor playing the title role, though consistent with the original BBC series, was a detriment to this series. In addition, this season’s writing has seemed less creative and entertaining. I greatly enjoyed their first season, but have found the current one to be rather dull and uninteresting. This certainly doesn’t help with the Galactica ratings, but I don’t believe it is the major factor in the decline.

::: The introduction of controversial topics into plot lines is often risky, particularly with science fiction which is typically considered pure escapism, even when it has a dark element like BSG (i.e.: The potential extermination of the human race and the continued threat from the Cylon.) Generally, Sci-Fi fans want to escape the real world and be entertained, not lectured on the writers’ political or social views of modern events. While any controversial topic is a risk, the introduction of those that are currently so polarizing is almost a guarantee of distancing a significant portion of your fan base.

::: You associated the bombing executed by a Cylon against those carried out by human suicide bombers. The two aren’t even remotely comparable. The first was not executed by a human, was not condoned by the humans, and was executed by an individual who (as already had been established) would be reborn (“downloaded”) into a new body, but as the same individual. The later was not only condoned by members of the upper human leadership, it was presented as a reasonable and acceptable approach in a given situation – a strong statement considering current world events. (As someone who’s nephew’s squad was attacked by the first suicide bomber in the gulf war, killing many of his squad just a few yards in front of him, I will freely admit to strong personal feelings in this matter. None the less, such controversial plot elements are invariably going to strongly offend a significant number of viewers.) The inference that the humans must limit their use of weapons against an enemy bent on the genocide of humanity is another PC component. Biological weapons as a plot element would have been better completely left out rather than used as a mechanism for additional political commentary. Remember, people watch for entertainment, not a reminder of current events or a thinly disguised lecture from Hollywood writers on their political and social opinions.

::: It is also rather telling that the ratings dropped rather significantly after the season 3 premiere (where suicide bombings by humans were introduced and condoned.) I’ll be interested in seeing how the ratings are affected after this latest one sided (read: “PC”) foray into contemporary controversial issues.

::: --[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 20:40, 12 November 2006 (CST)

::::I doubt that the suicide bombings in Occupation and Precipice were "condoned" by the show. Roslin didn't like them. Tigh, who planned them, thought they were bad. Even Baltar (who's been developing a conscience this season, thank the Gods) didn't like them. The first was a waste of life and counterproductive, causing a massive Cylon freakout that would have killed off Roslin, Zarek, Cally and a bunch of other people if the resistance hadn't saved them in the last minute. The second took down the power grid, which was more helpful, but it should be noted that in this case the bomber didn't kill any civilians, just herself and some Cylons. Tigh is still suffering because of the choices he made on New Caprica, and it doesn't look like he's coming out of those moral woods anytime soon.

::::Furthermore, I don't think the show has condemned the use of the Cylon virus, either. Roslin was all about it, after all, and I don't think there's anything less PC than a schoolteacher with a Messiah complex jonesing for some genocide. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 22:33, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:::: The use of nuclear weapons are logical in a space setting where great distances are involved and ships are heavily armoured. I would suspect, though, that a Presidential order would have been required to use nukes on the surface of a populated planet. The use of bio-weapons would probably have similiar restrictions because of their nature. I disagree that this show was PC. The weapon that the humans stumbled upon had a unique ability to wipe out the entire race of cyclons. To use it does carry far more ethical problems than simply using a nuke on a basestar. To use a rl analogy even during WWII the US would have been reluctant to have used a weapon that would have destroyed every Japanese person on the planet--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 09:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)

:::I think the show has been attacking issues that are important in our modern world since the beginning. Basic issues like balance of power, whether civilian government should stay in power during a massive crisis and war, religion in general, how to treat thouse different from yourselves (the show has been very ambivalent about killing Cylons, even though they are "just robots"), Baltar's initial refusal to believe in the gods or a god. It has even tackled thitngs like terrorism as a means to an end (Zarek was introduced at the beginning of the first season), abortion, infanticide, torture, treatment of prisoners. In all, it has been very current and politically involved since the beginning. However, with the first 4 episodes of season 3, it took a decidedly controversial and risky turn by depicting our favorite valiant and noble heros under brutal occupation. The writers have guts, and their ratings may have suffered, but they are doing the same thing they've been doing since the beginning of the show. It's just now a lot of poeple who watch TV don't agree with the particular direction the show took. However, even then, it left the viewer to choose for him or herself what to think, it was again ambivalent, which may be what makes it the best show on TV. No, the show will not supply you with easy answers and moral certitude to very important current questions. But that's a good thing, not a bad thing. --[[User:Yaneh|Yaneh]] 15:49, 13 November 2006 (EST)

::::I have to agree that it's been dealing with controversial issues from the start. One thing I've learned about BsG from watching it is that every time you think there's a line they won't cross, they seem to cross it. I think Yaneh has it right. Now, with them back in space, I do think it might turn more towards classic sci-fi, but I do agree this is not an unprecedented pattern. As for the writing on this particular episode, I think there were some odd references or slip-ups, which to my mind were made for the sole purpose of bailing Galactica out of the responsibility for a genocide. But I'm not going to judge the whole show at this point--it's WAY too early for that. I'm even more of a music buff than a TV buff, and I don't write off a band until there are 3 stinkers in a row. Let's wait and see if this a pattern before we write BsG off. --[[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]]

My additional $.02 - I'm going to have to disagree with my esteemed colleague from across the aisle, GeorgeW. I have no complaint with the political/moral questions that the writers have chosen to tackle this season. I do not believe that sci-fi was ever supposed to be purely escapist. Think of Frank Herbert's Dune which was essentially a political novel in sci-fi clothing. And the reason it is still regarded as one of the greatest sci-fi novels ever written was '''attention to detail!'''

What's made BSG so engaging has been its willingness to tackle the dark and gritty sides of a sci-fi story and thus make it far more real. This season's espisodes especially, have dug into tough questions about the justification of actions taken by a society being oppressed and even threatened with extinction - and kudos to Mr. Moore and Co. for going there! While they chose Nazi-esque imagery to illustrate the cylon occupation of New Caprica, the physical and psycological torture depicted there is exactly what Palestinians have been living with every day for decades, and I think it's extraordinary that this show has dared to ask American audiences to speculate how they would react if the same sort of conditions were imposed on us.

Consider Fox's 24, an unabashed advertisement for torture in the name of patriotism - nothing more than fearmongering to stir up a post-911 traumatised public into a state of jackboot-stamping, flag-waving paranoia, willing to hand over their civil liberties to facists. As grim as the first two episodes of this BSG season were, it was refreshing to see some element of pop culture actually asking viewers to stop and think - rather than just telling them what to believe.

If there's been a drop in ratings as a result of this storyline, it's only because so many Americans have let their capacity for critical thought atrophy over the last 40 years. (But just as likely, as was stated above, it was Sci-fi's choice to break up its powerhouse Friday night schedule. Frankly, canning Atlantis and popping the new Doctor Who episodes into the vacant slot would have been the prefered alternative.)

So back to my original point. With a wink and a nod to technobabble - the show's about homicidal robots for gosh sake - can we please just pay attention to the logical details. It's science-fiction, and we, the viewers, have already given the writers our willing suspension of disbelief. I'm just asking not to be abused with rediculous and downright stupid plot loopholes and gaffes in return for the privilege. I'm not writing off BSG either. Yet. But this last episode, which held such promise for having raised the stakes to the level of genocide, fell utterly flat - tripped up by the banana peels of sloppy writing.

--[[User:IanB|IanB]] 16:54, 14 November 2006 (CST)

In response to the original poster, I agree with you. This is not one of the show's shining moments.

--[[User:Crazyrabbits|Crazyrabbits]] 10:00, 15 November 2006 (CST)

== Explanations ==

A note about the Resurection ship jumping into the battle... it would seem that this is actually a good tactical move from the Cylon perspective. After Pegasus and Galactica easily destroyed the first resurrection ship and it's escorts, it would be prudent for the Cylons to keep the new ship with their fleet... even if this means taking it into battle with them. From their point of view it might look as if Galactica was trying to sucker the baseships away from the resurrection ship so the colonials could attack it. They've already used the "sucker" strategy a number of times, we could just be seeing a Cylon reaction to that strategy. Bringing the ship with them would negate such a threat as several basestars (more than enough to hold galactica off) would be able to cover for it.

As far as supply lines, it would figure that Galactica would know about this. Basic military strategy is to harass or at least keep an eye on enemy supply lines.

Also a note about the raptors and their missiles. The colonials may have found, after the battle over new caprica, that the missile attachments for the raptors were effective and could be adapted for other (combat) uses as well. It would also figure that after the loss of Pegasus, the colonials would be trying everything they could to increase firepower. This is probably just a jury-rig solution for increasing galactica's firepower.

: And all this has yet to be supported on screen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:45, 13 November 2006 (CST)

::In [[The Captain's Hand]] Admiral Adama orders a recon of 5 Raptors, 2 of them SAR and 3 Escort. Though never seen onscreen heavily armed Raptors must have been around for some time. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 14:57, 13 November 2006 (CST)

: It is also distinctly possible that the weapon pods were not available until the arrival of the Pegasus. The cache at Ragnar Anchorage was likely primarily the weapons themselves, and not a supply of launchers or similar hardware. Since Galactica was slated for retirement and Pegasus was fully operational it is very likely the later ship was much better equipped with combat military hardware.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 22:30, 13 November 2006 (CST)

== About Gaeta ==
Looking at the question here:

: Why is Gaeta so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?

Er, well, the last time Gaeta saw Baltar, he gave him a gun and told him his last chance at redemption was to stop Three from setting off the nuke. Given that the nuke didn't go off, it isn't unreasonable to believe Baltar was successful, and that in succeeding he would have either died or been stranded on New Caprica. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 02:50, 13 November 2006 (CST)

:Gaeta knew that he was chummy with the Cylons. For him to convince them not to detonate the nuke (not hard, given that it would be at best a symbolic gesture) and still make it off the planet alive is well within the realm of possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:56, 13 November 2006 (CST)

==A quick battle==

I was just wondering but is the skirmish with Galactica and the Basestars going to be added into the Second Cylon War or not? Sure it was short but it still had combat and casualties so it should be added to the list. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 19:54, 13 November 2006 (CST)
: Sure, I don't see why not. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:10, 13 November 2006 (CST)

==Baltar's Torture==

This is just pure speculation for speculation's sake, but I can't help thinking something more than Three being "touched" by Baltar's insane screaming of "don't stop..." "I believe in you" and "I love you with all my heart" (with internal Six's coaching) is going on in this scene. Three's indiference at the onset of her torturing, and her musing over which torture tool she should use doesnt seem like it could be changed or swayed by anything Baltar would say. i would say that judging from the torture tools they have, and their experiences on New Caprica at extracting information on detainees they know a little about torturing, it doesn't seem that Baltar saying anything he could to stop the torture would be unexpected. This leads me to wonder about exactly what he did say with the help of internal Six. perhaps those phrases, or the way he said it struck something in Three that only Cylons are aware of...maybe it means something that neither the Viewer or Baltar is aware of...I just find it hard to believe that Three, fully prepared for torture, even having fun picking what instrument to use...could be so easily moved from some snivelling bleating human saying he loves her with all his heart...Did Six give Baltar these phrases to say because she knew they'd strike a cord in a fellow Cylon, Three's reaction was quite a reaction, and then touching his lips like she couldn't believe those words came out of his mouth.....I don't know...just speculating.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:23, 14 November 2006 (CST)

--I wonder if the incongruity of those phrases to the situation of being tortured made Three wonder if Baltar was projecting. Now, if they've tortured other humans, they've probably seen people break with reality and shut down before, but perhaps that's a reaction beyond anything they've ever seen before. More like a Cylon being tortured? Is that what their instinct is, if they're in the same situation as Baltar? --[[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]]

==Note about the virus is incorrect==

The note:

Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as Lymphocytic encephalitis, however encephalitis is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus.

When a doctor identifies a disease, he normally states the name of the disease, not the name of the virus. The note itself states that Doc Cottle identifies the "disease," not the pathogen. I think the note needs to be modified or deleted. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 20:58, 13 November 2006 (CST)

== Accessing the "Hybrid?" ==

Is that what Athena is doing? Do we know that? It just sounds odd when phrased that way. [[User:Wldkt1|Wldkt1]] 02:56, 14 November 2006 (CST)

== The antibody degradative debate? ==

Ok, the latest addition to this point is the most scientifically accurate (antibodies do not have degradative functionality)! Read the wiki articles yourself to confirm and help you understand. On a more serious note if contributors (chiefly the second one on this topic) feel that an explanation or analysis point is incorrect or poorly explained than they need to do their homework before they dispute it and make up their own science. I know its only a fan wiki on battlestar but lets not plague our site with scientific inconsistencies like in 'A measure of Salvation' (Their science advisor must of been on holiday when this was written), after all we have luxury of being able to correct ourselves in hindsight ;) [[User:Jxh487|Jxh487]] 18:10, 15 November 2006 (CST)

:After spending over 25 years working in the clincial field (including being a lab director and now consultant), much of it involving research in imunology, immunohematology, genetics, and similar areas, I believe I know a bit more than what's presented in a few overly simplistic paragraphs in some an abbreviated article. I've dealt with far to many on the internet like yourself who reads a few sentences and brands themselves an expert. I came to this site because I believed it would be an enjoyable place to talk about my favorite show, but apparently this is just another one flled with those who prefer to hide behind their monitors and make snide comments. I'm not here to get into this type of garbage, so that's it, I'm done and out of here.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 01:07, 16 November 2006 (CST)

::There will always be people that claim to know all and others that really do belive that they know the right answer. The solution is just to provide loads of sourced for what you say. I dont know of your technical background but it would be very beneficial for all if you stayed and we can work this bit out. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:02, 16 November 2006 (CST)

::I'm sorry you feel that way, and I do have a solution to the above issue. It's a really simple solution, so here goes: all the science information needs to be sourced. I'm not talking about using links to Wikipedia (which we shouldn't really be sourcing from anyway), but I'm talking about adding sources from scientific journals and the like. References that GeorgeW should have access to, if I'm correct on that. Otherwise, I'm inclined to yank the entire thing since it isn't sourced at all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:41, 16 November 2006 (CST)

::: I have cited an excellent reference on this topic in the article, a text that was very useful to me in my first undergrad year. It would be rather difficult to cite an appropriate journal (even a review) because the topic is very basic. In addition very few people would have access to any article cited without paying or having a subscription (personal or institutional), though most major libraries are bound to stock this text. My inclusion of Wiki articles as references were due to the fact that they provide a sound and simplistic (extremely accurate, believe it or not!) explanation of the relevant topics, as I assume most people reading these articles don't have a degree in a biological science. As for George W. Bush's 25 years of clinical experience (hmm?), I'd like to know if he's willing to dispute a scientific textbook! [[User:Jxh487|Jxh487]] 17:51, 16 November 2006 (CST)

::::Regardless of who is right or wrong (I'm NOT taking sides here), there shouldn't be debate in the analysis section. Currently it reads like:
::::A
:::::NOT (A)
::::::NOT (NOT (A))
::::Which is NOT (Encycopledic) to read. Pull out your sources, measure them (weigh them, whatever), and the winner takes all (and gets a quick blurb about A (or NOT (A)) in the "Analysis" section). Also, when citing your sources you may want to make use of the [[:Category:Citation templates|citation templates]] when citing books, journal articles, etc. That's what makes the cool little footnotes that show up in the "References" section. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 18:06, 16 November 2006 (CST)

== sickbay ship ==

William Adama says in the final scene:

:''Cottle's report from the virus: He thinks that it was simply an accidental contamination of the beacon '''we''' abandoned on '''the sickbay ship'''.''

*What is ''the sickbay ship''? When did this happen?
*Who does ''we'' refer to in this statement if Adama and Laura seem to believe that the beacon was left there as a ''signpost to earth''?

--[[User:Pix|Pix]] 01:35, 17 November 2006 (CST)

:From Sadgeezer's transcript:
:'''Adama, standing''': Cottle's report on the virus. He thinks that it was simply an accidental contamination of the beacon we abandoned on the sick baseship.

:'''Roslin''': Somebody sneezed, maybe.

:SO to the first, I think it was sick baseship, not sickbay ship. And the we refers to the Fleet collectively, but specifically to themselves (being the decisionmakers that decided to leave it onboard the baseship rather than bring it aboard and risk contamination). It sounds like they maybe wish they'd have picked it up now, but at least they're on the right track.
:If you check out the [[Podcast:A Measure of Salvation|podcast transcript]], you'll hear/see that actually as originally scripted they did pick up the beacon, and were going to chuck it through space at the Cylons, but the writers/producers decided that was lame and chose to leave it on the destroyed ship rather than have to deal with getting rid of it in a subsequent episode. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:46, 17 November 2006 (CST)

::Haha, I can't believe that Adama's strange speaking rhythm in that scene completely threw me off. The interpretation, ''sick baseship'' had never entered my mind, despite making considerably more sense. --[[User:Pix|Pix]] 19:42, 17 November 2006 (CST)

== Battle Article ==
Does the little skirmish deserve a "Battle of NCD2539" article? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:57, 17 November 2006 (CST)

== Virus "Discussion" ==
Wouldn't the majority of this "discussion" fit in the [[Life sciences in the Re-imagined Series
]] article? Would make the episode article much neater. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:10, 17 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:A Measure of Salvation/Archive 1

2006-11-17T07:35:16Z

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