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2008-06-14T09:06:59Z

PhoenixHacker:

== Creation note ==

Per the [[Talk:Spin-off]] page, this article has merged several separate articles that were believed to be in violation (in part) of Battlestar Wiki's policy of [[BW:NOT|not being a general encyclopedia]]. These articles form this single article, which includes direct links to the concept's definition as it relates to ''Battlestar'' works, whether stillborn, produced, or cancelled. Redirects from the past articles will come to this article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:12, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
:Looks much better than spreading it out over like 4 pages :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:47, 23 July 2007 (CDT)
:This article looks like it still needs some clean up. There's a lot of general encyclopedia material here that's not related to BSG. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 09:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Sacred Scrolls

2008-06-14T08:22:35Z

PhoenixHacker: /* The Form of the Scrolls */

: ''For the Sacred Scrolls depicted in the comic books, see: [[Sacred Scrolls (alternate)]].''

[[Image:Pythia.jpg|right|thumb|A portion of the Sacred Scrolls, specifically, a portion of the Book of [[Pythia]].]]
The '''Sacred Scrolls''' are a set of writings that form the basis of [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies|Colonial religion]], a polytheistic faith resembling the legends of ancient Greece. The scrolls record much of the alleged history of humanity, including life on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] before the great exodus, and the legend of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Portions of the scrolls are used in religious ceremonies, such as the [[Service for the dead]] ([[Miniseries]], "[[Act of Contrition]]").

Most notable among the Sacred Scrolls is the Book of Pythia, also referred to as the Pythian Prophecy. Written 3,600 years ago by the oracle [[Pythia]], they are believed by some to foretell the current exodus from the [[Twelve Colonies of Kobol]].

==Contents==
The contents of the Sacred Scrolls have only been revealed in glimpses, through brief quotes, paraphrases and explanations.

===The Book of [[Pythia]]===
:'''Roslin:''' Who is Pythia? '''Elosha:''' One of the [[oracle]]s in the Sacred Scrolls. 3,600 years ago. Pythia wrote about the exile and rebirth of the human race. ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])

====The Cycle of Time====
:'''Leoben:''' ''"All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again."'' ([[Flesh and Bone]])

:'''Six:''' ''"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."'' ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])

:'''Roslin:''' If you believe in the gods, then you believe in the cycle of time that we are all playing our parts in a story that is told again, and again, and again throughout eternity. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====The Dying Leader====
:'''Elosha:''' ''"And the lords anointed a leader to guide the Caravan of the Heavens to their new homeland."'' ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])

:'''Elosha:''' She also wrote that the new leader suffered a wasting disease and would not live to enter the new land. ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])

:'''Roslin:''' The scriptures tell us a dying leader lead humanity to the promised land. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====A Vision of Serpents====
:'''Elosha:''' ''"And unto the leader they gave a vision of serpents numbering two and ten, as a sign of things to come."'' ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])

====The Serpents Lead the People Into Battle?====
:'''Six:''' ''"Led by serpents numbering two and ten..."'' (fragment) ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])

====A Confrontation at the Home of the Gods====
:'''Six:''' ''"Though the outcome favored the few, it led to a confrontation at the home of the gods."'' ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]])

====The Lower Demon====
:'''Elosha:''' The scrolls of Pythia do speak of a [[Sharon Agathon|lower demon]], who helped the people in a time of crisis. ([[Home, Part I]])

====The Blaze and the High Road====
:'''Elosha:''' ''"And the blaze pursued them, and the people of Kobol had a choice. To board the great ship, or take the high road through the rocky ridge."'' 
:'''Valerii (continuing):''' ''"And the body of each tribe's leader was offered to the gods in the [[tomb of Athena]]."'' And the great ship was the [[galleon]] that departed from here, where we're standing. And it took the founders of the thirteen colonies to their destiny. And those that didn't board the galleon took the high road, a rocky ridge that lead to the tomb. ([[Home, Part I]])

:'''Elosha:''' The path is supposed to be marked by gravestones. ([[Home, Part I]])

====The Gates of Hera====
:'''Valerii:''' That's the spot where your god supposedly stood and watched Athena throw herself down onto the rocks below, out of despair over the Exodus of the thirteen tribes. Athena's tomb, whoever or whatever she really was, is probably up there. ([[Home, Part II]])

====The Arrow of Apollo====
:'''Roslin:''' ''"And the Arrow of Apollo will open the Tomb of Athena."'' ([[Home, Part II]])

:'''Elosha:''' The scriptures tell us that Kobol points the way to Earth. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

:'''Roslin:''' According to the scriptures, if we had the arrow of Apollo we could take it down to Kobol and we could use it to open the tomb of Athena and find our way to Earth. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====Kobol and the Blood Price====
:'''Adama:''' ''"And [[Zeus, Lord of Kobol|Zeus]] warned the leaders of the twelve tribes that any return to Kobol would exact a price in blood."'' ([[Home, Part II]])

====The Flood====
:'''Baltar:''' ''"Pythia talks about the flood ... wiped out most of humanity ... nobody blames the flood ... flood is a force of nature ... through flood, mankind is rejuvinated, born again ..."'' ([[The Hub]])

===History===

====Pre-Exodus====
:'''Elosha:''' This place is Kobol... birthplace of mankind, where the gods and men lived in paradise until the exodus of the thirteen tribes. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====The Exodus====
:'''Elosha:''' How old are the ruins? '''[[Billy Keikeya]]:''' Well, we won't know for sure until we send a ground team, but the initial estimates have it on the order of approximately 2,000 years. '''Elosha:''' That's around the time the thirteen tribes first left Kobol. ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]])

====The Thirteenth Tribe on Earth====
:'''Starbuck:''' The scriptures say that when the thirteenth tribe landed on Earth, they looked up into the heavens and they saw their twelve brothers. ([[Home, Part II]])

===Other verses from the Sacred Scrolls===
*'''Adama:''' "Life here began out there." These are the first words of the Sacred Scrolls…<ref>The phrase is an homage to the voiceover in the [[Original Series]] opening credits.</ref> ([[Miniseries]])
*During a [[Salt Line Ceremony]] on ''Galactica'': "Their enemies will divide them. Their colonies broken in the fiery chasm of space. Their shining days renounced by a multitude of dark sacrifices. Yet still they will remain always together." ([[Exodus, Part I]])

===Sayings<ref>These sayings are similar to the [[Wikipedia:Algernon Sydney|Algernon Sydney]] quote "God helps those who help themselves"</ref>===
:'''Commander Adama:''' ''"The gods shall lift those who lift each other."'' ([[Home, Part II]])
:'''[[Cavil]]:''' ''"The gods lift up those who lift each other."'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]])
:'''[[Duck]]:''' ''"The gods help those who help themselves."'' ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]])

==Notes==

* The book of Pythia, which contains or is identical to the Pythian Prophecy, was written 1,600 years before the final exodus of the last twelve tribes, and documents the exodus of the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]]. The text apparently contains a detailed narrative of the events of the Exodus, and continues to be interpreted as a source of prophecy 2,000 years after its prophecies have (apparently) already been fulfilled.
* The Cycle of Time is apparently a key component of Colonial theology. The notion of a circular progression of time (also known as [[Wikipedia:Eternal return|eternal return]] or eternal recurrence) is foreign to the ancient Greek religion of which Colonial religion are largely based, but it is a common theme in many modern religions. Some Hindus believe in an endless cycle of ages called [[Wikipedia:Yuga|Yugas]]. The ancient [[Wikipedia:Maya|Maya]] people, as well as the [[Wikipedia:Inca|Incas]] and [[Wikipedia:Aztec|Aztecs]] also believed in the circular nature of time. In philosophy, the [[Wikipedia:Stoics|Stoics]], a movement originating in hellenistic Greece, held the doctrine. In the nineteenth century, the doctrine appears in the writings of [[Wikipedia:Friedrich Nietzsche|Friedrich Nietzsche]] as a method of life-affirmation.

==Analysis==

===Correspondences===
Assuming the events following the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] are a repetition of the events predicted by Pythia, and which came to pass centuries later, we can make use of the prophecy by first constructing a coherent historical narrative from them and then looking for correspondences with the events of the series.

*The Lower Demon is [[Sharon Agathon|the Caprica copy of Sharon Valerii]]
*The Dying Leader is President [[Laura Roslin]]
*The "serpents numbering two and ten" are the [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]]s of Strike Force Two in the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]].
*The fleet defended by ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' is the "Caravan of the Heavens".
*The "price in blood" has been paid by various people including [[Crashdown]] and [[Elosha]].

===The "One Exodus" Interpretation===
This interpretation assumes that the timeline is recurring on a scale of 1,600 to 2,000 years, and the exodus from Kobol is a direct parallel to the exodus from the Twelve Colonies. It also makes some correspondences in addition to those above:

*The "Blaze" identified by Sharon Valerii is an earlier parallel to the Cylon attack. The hostile force is the "jealous God", the Lord of Kobol that tried to elevate himself over the others.
*The Home of the Gods is [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], and the people of Kobol are the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]], in a somewhat metaphorical sense.

The timeline would proceed thus:

#The people of Kobol lived in divine utopia with their gods.
#A hostile force - of which "the blaze" and the "lower demon" were parts - moves against the people of Kobol.
#The gods appoint a leader afflicted with a wasting disease to lead a "caravan of the heavens".
#The leader, with the aid of twelve "serpents", wins a perilous battle.
#The people make their way to the "home of the gods".
#Athena despairs and commits suicide.
#The leaders of the people are taken to the Tomb of Athena to be sacrificed to the remaining gods.
#The body of the people depart in a "[[galleon]]" for a new home.
#Instructions are left to open the Tomb of Athena.
#Zeus warns against a return to Kobol.
#The twelve tribes settle on the Twelve Colonies. The thirteenth tribe settles on [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].

However, at least three exodus events are documented. Pythia writes of "the exile and rebirth of the human race" ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]) 1,600 years before the exodus of the tribes from Kobol. The third exodus (from the Colonies) is underway.

=== The Origin of Mankind ===

:There are two main theories as to the origin of mankind:

==== Kobol as the birthplace of mankind ====
This theory interprets the Sacred Scrolls as literal truth. Humans evolved on Kobol and left the planet in two groups. One group (perhaps the larger) settled on the planets and developed the civilization of the Twelve Colonies; the other left for Earth.

According to some, the Thirteenth Tribe would then arrive on Earth some time in our relative past and influence cultures such as the ancient Greeks and Romans. This would completely contradict modern genetics and [[Wikipedia:cladistics|cladistics]] and thus not mesh well with [[naturalistic science fiction]]. Another possibility is that the show might take place in a completely alternate reality, in which humans did not evolve on Earth.

==== Earth as the true origin of the human species ====
This theory states, that the Sacred Scrolls can't be be taken literally, and are in fact wrong or deliberately misleading in places. Mankind originated on Earth, and at some point in our future leaves it to settle on Kobol. The Thirteenth tribe might have known or suspected that they were originally from Earth and returned there, or there may never have been any trip from Kobol back to Earth or distinct Thirteenth (or more correctly, First) tribe, in spite of what the scrolls report. The other tribes leave for what will later be the Twelve Colonies. Either at that time or even sooner, mankind's true origins are forgotten and people believe that they developed on Kobol; Earth becoming a myth.

With this interpretation, there would be three exoduses, each of which might have been caused by a global catastrophe, with the final one bringing humanity full circle, back to its roots. It could also begin to explain the many parallels in culture and technology between the Colonials and today's Earth. Also, the theory of Earth being the birthplace of humanity does mesh in well with [[naturalistic science fiction]] more than the theory that humanity originated from Kobol.

==== See Also ====

[[History of the Twelve Colonies#Pre-History|History of the Twelve Colonies]]

===The Form of the Scrolls===

The Sacred Scrolls have been seen as an actual, ornate scroll (as shown in the [[Miniseries]]), as well as a book (Both Adama and Roslin read what appear to be identically-created books in "[[Home, Part II]]").

The total volume of the Scrolls has not been revealed, so it is possible (albeit improbable) that the scroll that [[Elosha]] holds in the Miniseries as she swears in President Roslin and holds during the service for the dead may make up only a portion of the total texts, or key readings from the works. A shortened volume may be a specialized volume containing prayers and readings specific to a celebrant's use during [[temple]] ceremonies, Services for the Dead, weddings, [[dedication ceremony|dedication ceremonies]] and the like<ref>Similar to the Roman Catholic Church's use of [[Wikipedia:Missal|missals]].</ref>.

Much of the Scrolls appear to be handwritten. While the technology of the Twelve Colonies obviously support electronic printing and reproduction, it may be that the most authentic copies of the sacred texts are either authentic reproductions from a handwritten copy, or genuine handwritten copies. This practice may be for reasons of authenticity, custom, or aesthetics<ref>The practice is similar to the work and purposes of the [[Wikipedia:Scribes|scribes]] before the invention of the printing press in real-Earth history. For comparison, an extreme example of the tradition of handwritten sacred texts in real-Earth history are the [[Wikipedia:Sefer Torah|sefer Torahs]].</ref>.

Because Sagittarons are traditionally pacifists and do not believe in modern medicine for religious reasons, while the Gemenese traditionally interpret the Sacred Scrolls literally but do not share these practices, it is likely that the Gemenese and Sagittarons have different versions of the Sacred Scrolls, or that the Sagittarons have some supplemental religious document or oral tradition in addition to the Scrolls, or they may simply, like real world religions, interpret the exact same information differently.

===Last rites at the [[Service for the dead|Services for the dead]]===

[[Elosha]] gives a form of last rites or respects to the fallen crew after [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|the Fleet escapes Ragnar Anchorage]] in an unusual language<ref>The actress is singing Sanskrit verses from the Bṛhadāraṇyaka Upanishad. Roughly translated, the verse says, "Lead us from Falsehood to Truth, from Darkness to Light, from Death to Immortality."</ref>.

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Jake (New Caprica)

2008-06-01T05:18:42Z

PhoenixHacker: /* Notes */

:''For the dog of the same name that belonged to [[Billy Keikeya]], see: [[Jake (Billy's dog)]]''

[[Image:Jake and bowl.jpg|thumb|Jake with his yellow, perpetually empty bowl.]]
[[Image:Jake c1.jpg|thumb|Jake meeting Romo Lampkin aboard ''Colonial One''.]]

'''Jake''' is a dog on [[New Caprica]] that has a yellow bowl. The bowl serves as an indicator flag for a dead drop. When this bowl is flipped over, the [[Felix Gaeta|inside source]] within the [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] faux administration notifies the [[New Caprica Resistance]] of important information to be used to aid the group ([[Occupation]]).

Jake is also known to a copy of [[Number Three]], who is pleased with the fact that Jake doesn't care who is human and who is [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] ([[Exodus, Part I]]).

Jake's involvement with the resistance is known to President [[Lee Adama]], who calls him a hero of New Caprica. As his previous owners could no longer care for the dog, Adama gifts Jake to [[Romo Lampkin]] after he discovers that Lampkin's cat, [[Lance]], died weeks prior ([[Sine Qua Non]]).

==Notes==
* Jake is not the only living animal from the Colonies appearing in the [[Re-imagined Series]] to date. Rats and bats are seen on Caprica. For more on other life forms mentioned in the series, see [[Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies]].
* Jake is named after [[Ron Moore]]'s [[w:Australian Shepherd|Australian Shepherd]].<ref>{{cite companion|page=42|season=3}}</ref>

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Talk:Jake (New Caprica)/Archive 1

2008-06-01T05:18:06Z

PhoenixHacker:

==Sine Qua Non==
OK, the Jake featured in this episode looks to be a Border Collie with superficially similar markings, rather than the Landseer Newfoundland from New Caprica. Can anyone confirm? -- [[User:Mantavani|Mantavani]] 23:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. There's no way Jake is a Newfoundland. The build is all wrong. I'm taking it out unless I see an official source. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 05:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

==Billy's Dog==
I think we should mention here that Billy also had a dog named [[Jake]]? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:51, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
:Jake will be a diamb. page once I finsh the [[BW:FA]] and [[BW:FP]] for this month. [[Jake (Billy's dog)]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:14, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
::I had a dog named Jake, too, but he died in June. :( He was a very, very good boy. Thus, we salute New Caprica Jake, who is also a good, good boy. Wouldn't want to clean up after him on a spaceship, though. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 14:14, 13 December 2006 (CST)
:::Are we sure this isn't meant to be the same dog? Seems odd for the writers to give both dogs the same name. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 05:40, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::::I think it's clear they're meant to be the same dog, so I've put up a merge tag. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:05, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Disagree. Just going by the text, it seems that Billy's dog was old and/or sick and died before the Cylon attack. If the text is correct he "used to own" the dog. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:13, 16 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::I only just read the thing about the medication on [[Jake (Billy's Dog)]]. In that case, they're obviously ''not'' the same dog. Removing tag. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 07:19, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

==Questions==
Where did the humans get Jake (was he on one of the ships when the Colonies were destroyed?), and did they take him when they left New Caprica? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 08:22, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

:I hope they rescued Jake. He was such <dog>A GOOD BOY YES HE WAS FOR LETTING PEOPLE KNOCK HIS BOWL OVER.</dog> --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:10, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::Okay, between his Pegasus prediction and this, apparently Spence's Chamalla stash has run out. :) --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 23:00, 29 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:Exodus, Part I/Archive 1

2007-08-24T09:47:08Z

PhoenixHacker: /* Son? */

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/01/index.htm
Click on this link and scroll down to see scenes from the Exodus episodes. My favorite is the last one at the bottom which shows Zarek and Roslin plsticuffed together. Hopefully they'll start to get along soon. --ltcrashdown October 3rd, 2006

== Jammer's future ==
The blurp in the notes section "According to Ronald Moore's podcast, in earlier drafts Jammer was going to die during the shootout at the execution site. However, he decided that the character would be used in later episodes of the season." I was thinking maybe this should be blocked in a spoiler warning box so you have to highlight it to see it because it hints to future events. I'm not sure though. Opinions?--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 16:17, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
: I agree. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:36, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

== Recent edits and removals ==

I went through the questions, rephrasing any that were written like a conversation in the article, concising and truncating the rest. Here are particularly notable changes.

#As Ron Moore answered the question of the side-effects of repeated downloads by Cylons, further questions on this aren't needed.
#There are many copies of [[Leoben Conoy]]. While the copy with Kara Thrace is very likely the consciousness seen in "[[Flesh and Bone]]," we can only assume that the side-effects of repeated downloads occurs over many, many times. It is also possible (but unsourced) that ALL Leobens have the common objective to "court" Thrace. Because the question about Leoben's stability after downloads was ambiguous, I removed it.
#We cannot really speculate the WHAT the connection is to Number Three-the-dreamer and to [[Selloi]] and the Lords of Kobol, only that there certainly IS some kind of connection as evidenced by Selloi's comments to her, right down to her relaying of the message from the Kobollian gods to Three's God.
#Cottle is not an Earth physician. While it is likely that the Colonials have had a counterpart to the Hippocratic Oath, the phrase "do no harm" isn't relevant to this universe, so I adjusted it to a more generic wording.

Don't take my adjustments as the last word. If there are further questions based on aired information, do contribute again.

--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:23, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

*Regarding your point 1, RDM didn't go into great detail into the nature of the side-effects. It is a worthy question line because some people may want to know more than "there may be adverse consequences to repeated downloads" (Not an exact quote, just general) and the line of questioning is fruitful. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 15:36, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

== Captain Kelly ==

I already thought I was hallucinating ;) I thought it was Kelly, but didn't really think that they'd go to the trouble of getting the actor back for such a tiny reaction shot. Good to know that someone else saw it too. 
It also makes sense that they'd put such a relatively high-ranking officer on bridge duty when he isn't working as LSO --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:18, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

== Gunnery Sgt Mathias ==

Having watched the ep a few times, I've got a few thoughts regarding [[Mathias|Gunny Mathias]].

1. First off, is she one of ''Pegasus''' onboard company? She doesn't look familiar to ''Galactica'', and [[Hadrian]]'s reputedly the seniormost Marine onboard the latter ship. My guess is the former rather than the latter, but it's never stated.

2. This one ties into 1: considering the above, why is she so (relatively) friendly with Sharon? There might be some leeway if she stood Brig duty and got to know Sharon, but then that would prove contrary to the Hadrian issue, not to mention that it's highly unlikely someone as senior as a Gunnery Sgt would be standing brig duty. OTOH, if she's a Marine from ''Pegasus'', she obviously should have a marked level of disgust about taking orders from a "skinjob". Granted, military professionalism and bearing might play a role in overriding that disgust, but Sharon's nature as a Cylon can't be denied, regardless of what side she's on. Additionally, she may have been posted to brig watch while Sharon was in ''Pegasus''' brig, but again, there's the rank vs. watchstanding issue.

Just a few thoughts on this one. I'm strongly tempted to pose this question on the front, but it seems to me more of a gaffe or error of omission that RDM & co. made rather than something deliberate.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 00:02, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:Mitsukai, you are better off posing these rather intelligent questions to Bradley Thompson on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques]] page. He is always very generous in answering very technical questions like this. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:23, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks. Took the questions there.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 00:31, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Son? ==

When Dualla and Helo were talking to each other when the operation was prepping up Dualla said, "Take care of the Admiral for me," which Helo responded with, "Take care of our ____" I swear to all the gods, that I thought she said son. Did anyone else hear that?
:"Take care of '''his''' son." The admiral's son. It's just a little unclear. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:18, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:I agree. That sounds a lot like "our son". He must have meant his but it sounds a lot more like our. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 04:47, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

== continuity error ==

The scene of Cally running from the execution site is obviously an alternate take from the one seen at the end of Precipice. In Precipice, Cally is still running when we hear the sound of gunfire and she turns around. In Exodus, Cally apparently runs away without any help from Jammer and Tyrol pulls her to the ground before the sound of gunfire.

Talk:Propulsion in the Re-imagined Series/Archive 1

2007-03-29T23:32:29Z

PhoenixHacker:

This article comprises the bulk of the original FTL article and elements from a past larger article version of [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]], broken out for later expansion and page size considerations. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:14, 11 October 2006 (CDT)

== capitalization of "jump" ==

Why is the word "jump" capitalized so often? Both as noun and verb. I could barely understand capitalizing the noun, and even then it's not a proper noun. But writing "Jump" as verb doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It boggles my mind and just looks silly. Maybe it's just me and I'm overreacting (because I find it annoying), but I correct it wherever I see it. 
The only reason I can think of is one or two references in the BSG Season 1 Companion where it is written with a capital letter. But I consider that a typo and not some kind of official standard. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:06, 30 October 2006 (CST)

:I am inclined to agree with you, and I also normally correct, erm change, it when I see it. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:16, 30 October 2006 (CST)

::I have tended to capitalize it in the psat, but now if I do, it's only as part of the phrase, "FTL Jump." However, it may be a point of emphasis that is not necessary, although the term may not be easily distinctive without proper context when describing the event (A lot of people have taken up my "bad" habits.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:44, 30 October 2006 (CST)

:The capitalization bugs me as well. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)

I've rediscovered why I've done this practice: The show captions ''consistently'' capitalize "Jump" when speaking of such in FTL. It makes sense in context for them to differentiate it as it would here. Using lowercase implies a diminutive or generic use, for which this does not apply. It would be best here to use "FTL Jump" and not "Jump" except in dialogue accounts, but I believe we should avoid genericizing this. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:50, 9 November 2006 (CST)

:Continuing the discussion from the Hybrid page. I don't see the need to distinguish its uses. It's not like we are talking of characters jumping around a lot. "FTL Jump" might be ok though, even if it still looks weird to me, but "Jump" alone not so much IMHO. So as you said, if people insist on capitalizing it, they should better add the "FTL" . Though I still think it's pointless --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:03, 17 November 2006 (CST)

== My recent edit ==
I've removed a large amount of content. Before you revert me I'd like to point out that extensive discussion of wormholes is pointless as no allusion to them is made in the show and I see no reason to make that assumption. Additionally the physics references are a bit clumsy in those sections. On arrival all ships are brought to an arbitray frame of reference (which leads to the removal of the second footnote as it's clearly wrong). Faster than light is no misnomer in terms of physical displacement per unit time (velocity) as opposed to distance travelled per unit time (speed), the latter being compleltely unimportant in the context. "Electromagnetic and centripetal energies" is incorrect as neither term refers to any energy.

I notice in the history the use of "centrifugal" was corrected to "centripetal", stating "centrifugal is a misnomer - centripetal is the correct term". To this person I suggest you look up the definitions of the words centrifugal, centripetal and misnomer. {{unsigned|Niles}}

:Niles, welcome. As the series generally doesn't get into technobabble and tries to base its technology on theory, rather than fantasy or pseudoscience such as "warp drive," I don't see the justification of the edit. Using wormhole theory (as our scientists tell it) to give a ''possible, logical explanation'' of the FTL principles of the show is acceptable speculation per the wiki's [[BW:CJ|citation policy]], under "derived content." The use of FTL in the show supports the wormhole principle in many, many episodes, with few continuity errors. I appreciate your commentary, but rather than deletion of the central premise, it would be better to add dissenting information that supports your view. I will restore the article's original content based on this, but I encourage you to add your dissent in an encyclopedic way, with its supporting sources. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:36, 17 November 2006 (CST)

:: Huh, what? Warp drive is neither fantasy, nor pseudoscience. It's a fully realized scientific theory, right down to the math involved. It's existed since 1995. In fact, it's more real that folding space. -- [[User:3DMaster|3DMaster]] 06:53, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

::''''As the series generally doesn't get into technobabble and tries to base its technology on theory, rather than fantasy or pseudoscience such as "warp drive," I don't see the justification of the edit.'''''
The show doesn't "base" its technology on anything, theory or otherwise; it just is and that's precisely the justification for the edit. A possible explanation? Why not include all of them, even the technobabble ones? While the wormhole concept is a possible explanation it is not probable (inconsistency with visual effects) and hence discussion of "possible" theories in this article is extraneous to the factual data it should contain.

'''' it would be better to add dissenting information that supports your view.''''
The article's not a forum for discussion. If you're after half-baked rationalizations of sci-fi technology you watch lesser shows than BSG, the BSG wiki should be held to similar standards, in my opinion. - --[[User:Niles|Niles]] 19:04, 11 December 2006 (CST)

: Hi Niles, welcome to the Wiki. Thank you for your comments, contributions and concerns, though I will firmly suggest that you consider your tone when addressing other contributors. Spencerian is correct in that possible, logical explanation is acceptable speculation per policy; this does not, in any way, discount adding other explanations, as long as they are reasonably proved and cited. I've also gone over the history of the article in question and have found that you've removed a substantial amount of the article, without discussing it ''before'' you did so. While you did implement some great corrections to the article, I firmly believe that simply discussing such a drastic move prior to implementing it would have been beneficial, and may have ended up in further ''developing'' the article (such as adding other ''scientific'' means of FTL deployed in the series) instead of ''reducing'' the article. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:57, 11 December 2006 (CST)

== Discussions regarding theories posted in the article ==

I'm probably opening a can of worms by doing this, but I believe it is necessary. Barring any official word from the producers, or even [[Kevin Grazier]], we should probably remove the "underpinning" theory, or thoroughly revise the piece so as to include ''thorough'' sourcing with information from reputable scientific journals. So let's begin discussing this issue. Thank you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:03, 28 March 2007 (CDT)
:I agree. I only recently found Grazier's tech blog that speaks about some of this and can be revised. The screen evidence suggests wormhole, but we need Grazier's information to source it. His blog also illuminates content of the [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series]] article, too, and I've been hoping to get time to update/amend that as well. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:51, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

:Uh, what does reputable scientific journals have got to do with anything? It's nice that they're scientific, reputable and no doubt nifty; but what a scientist says has no bearing on a tv show. The only ones who can say exactly how jumpdrive works, are the writers/creators/producers of the show. Even than, it should be taken with a grain of salt until it is actually said and shown in-show - that is, if you demand that only facts and nothing but facts about the show are present in the wiki. --[[User:3DMaster|3DMaster]] 06:33, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

::If you clicked on the link provided, you'd understand that Dr. [[Kevin Grazier]] is the scientific advisor to the Re-imagined Series. Short of Ron Moore himself and maybe a handful of co-producers and writers such as [[Bradley Thompson]] (who visits this wiki personally on occasion to [[BW:OC|answer pertinent questions of the show]]), there is no higher authority. Grazier is a true "rocket scientist" and has probably forgotten more about science than any of us contributors know. Don't misconstrue about how the wiki's objectives are as they pertain to facts. Grazier's information is already based on scientific principles that he has already referenced and sourced, so we can take what he says with far more than just a grain of salt. The key here is to use what he has said and written to better improve the RDM articles. No one says this is an easy task, nor is the wiki intended to be "perfect" when you and others first arrive. So you are invited to help, now that you've (''[[Talk:Propulsion (TOS)|ad nauseum]]'') identified a problem, and other contributors are trying now to improve matters based on your comments. Hint: ''You can't fix an article's problem by just editing its ''talk'' page.''. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:35, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

==Cinematography==

I was just curious, does anyone know how they achieve that effect when they shoot inside the ship during a jump? It's like the scene stretches out somehow. It doesn't look like computer graphics to me so there must be some way to achieve that effect on film.

Talk:Romo Lampkin/Archive 1

2007-03-13T22:54:08Z

PhoenixHacker:

I bet you 50 cubits that this fellow is a Cylon.
--[[User:Volostheguardian|Volostheguardian]] 23:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I certainly hope he isn't. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:56, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Cylon or not he'll most likely be a "baddie", cus the actor always is. lol --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 06:49, 10 December 2006 (CST)
:::Actually it's '''Romo Lampkin'''.
:::http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr
:::--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 07:00, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::Yeah, I was only about 90% certain about the exact pronunciation of his name when I listened to the podcast. That's why I didn't feel I should create this page and only posted it on [[The Son Also Rises]]--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 10:39, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Sauron18... a "lawyer" would be a perfect fit for a Cylon. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:24, 6 January 2007 (CST)

:Well, does he look like any of [[:Image:Final_Five.jpg|these guys]]? Anyway, it's certainly not a bet I'd take! Though I think it would be cooler if, as a force of evil, he was human but somehow in cahoots with the Cylons, rather like Morden from Babylon 5. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 19:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)
::Please please please ignore what the final five look like in that picture! They are only standins used for the promotional image and are never seen on screen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:53, 27 February 2007 (CST)
:::My apologies. I knew those five were only stand-ins; I should have qualified that so as not to lead anyone astray. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 08:32, 5 March 2007 (CST)
Hey, page authors: spoilers from hidden fields on this page are showing up in Google right now! If you Google "Romo Lampkin" you'll see them, even though they're not visible on this page. And Google searches don't have spoiler warnings so guys, maybe you should get rid of those hidden fields altogether and wait till the facts have been revealed? I've already been spoiled now myself but I'm not mad. I'm not removing the fields because it's really up to you. But I thought you should be aware. --[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 06:45, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:Interesting. However, please refer to our [[BW:SP|spoiler policy]], which should address your questions on the subject. Typically any "spoilers" are pretty well sourced, so the facts are revealed, per se, just not in the episode itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:02, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks for pointing me at the policy page. I am a little new here so apologies for any misunderstanding on my part. My concern is that these spoilers are in HTML hidden fields, so it seems that they may not be intended to be visible to anyone, even to page viewers who have been warned. Meanwhile, anyone doing a casual Google search on Lampkin will see the spoiler right away (it's only the 6th result on the page). In other words, you can see spoilers on Google that page viewers themselves can't see (without a view source anyway). If that is still consistent with the policy, fine - as I said I'm not particularly exercised about it but I just thought you should know. Love the site, by the way.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 07:57, 12 March 2007 (EST)
:::Boy do I feel silly now! Those so-called "spoilers" appear in hidden fields on EVERY character page! If I believed them, then every character is both a "humanoid cyclon" and "an original series cylon." So I was making a fuss about what is essentially hidden boilerplate text. Thanks for being patient with me throughout this funny little situation.--[[User:njgreen|njgreen]] 14:15, 12 March 2007 (EST)
::::No problem, njgreen! :-) Actually, this is interesting... We'll have to look into it, to see what we can do about it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:06, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I know Matt Cutts at Google is head of the department that basically ensures we all get the information we need out of our searches through various search algorithms, etc.. I wonder if dropping him and his team an email would be of benefit? -[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 07:46, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

== Parallels to real world? ==

Given the similarities in name and role as a crusader for the undefended/undefendable I can't help but think Romo's character is, at least to some extent, inspired by the real world [[w:Rapahel Lempkin|Raphael Lempkin]] whose plight is extensively documented in Samatha Power's book: [http://www.amazon.com/Problem-Hell-America-Age-Genocide/dp/0060541644 A Problem From Hell: America in the Age of Genocide]. {{unsigned|Fendant}}

==Lampkin's Colony==
I was actually thinking he's from Aerelon. He has the raspy english accent that Baltar used when showing off his original accent. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 17:54, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Maelstrom

2007-03-06T06:19:41Z

PhoenixHacker: /* Teaser */

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| title= Maelstrom
| image= 3X17-Maelstrom-LeobenStarbuck.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 17
| guests=
| writer= [[David Weddle]] [[Bradley Thompson]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Nankin]]
| production= 317
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| population= 41,400
| prev= [[Dirty Hands]]
| next= [[The Son Also Rises]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace|Kara]]'s past comes back to haunt her when [[William Adama|Adama]] has doubts about her fitness for duty.''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===

*[[Kara Thrace]] is dreaming of her old apartment, trying to paint over the [[Eye of Jupiter|strange mandala]]. The dream is augmented when a [[Leoben Conoy]] comes behind her, and the two embrace and begin to have sex, rolling through the white paint that Thrace attempted to use to cover up the mandala. The mandala "pushes" itself through the white paint to reveal itself.
*[[Hotdog]] looks over to question what Thrace was dreaming in her bunk.
*Thrace meets [[Helo]] in the head. He notes that [[Hera Agathon]] wakes up from frightening dreams as well. Helo notes a psychologist, but when Thrace declines, he also suggests an [[oracle]] camp in [[Dogsville]]. She also sees, as Helo speaks, Thrace see in her mirror an image of a little girl standing by the hatchway, who appears bruised and beaten. When Thrace looks again for the child, she has disappeared.
*Thrace enters the oracle camp and finds a small golden angelic figurine of the goddess Aurora.
*An oracle, [[Brenn]], appears, who tells Thrace to keep the figurine. She asks Thrace to sit before a pool of water. The oracle holds Thrace's hand and begins a reading.
*The oracle knows of the Leoben Cylon and the dreams. When the oracle repeats the destiny that Leoben has said, verbatum, Thrace is angered. The oracle continues to repeat Leoben's past words to Thrace, done back when she interrogated a captured copy long ago ([[Flesh and Bone]]).
*Thrace wonders how the oracle could know what was said. The oracle tells her that her mother, [[Socrata Thrace]], was trying to tell her something.
*The oracle notes that Leoben is the answer, who can see the answers to Thrace. Thrace leaves angrily from the tent.

===Act 1===

*[[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] is orbiting a cloudy gas giant planet as they refuel various ships after the fuel crisis had passed ([[Dirty Hands]])
*[[Samuel Anders]], after the two had a lovemaking session, is asking Thrace to join him for some leave time on another ship.
*He complains that the oracle wasn't helpful, and neither was her mother. Thrace notes how the two fought, including Thrace learning to use her mother's phobia of insects for revenge.
*During a refueling operation, Starbuck and [[Hot Dog]] are on [[CAP]] when she thinks she sees an enemy.
*''[[Galactica]]'' can't see the contact, but soon someone finds the bogey: [[Starbuck's Raider]].
*As Starbuck goes closer, she sees a storm system that looks remarkably like the mandala. The Raider flies close and, to Starbuck, appears to strike her.
*Starbuck keeps descending into the storm, against [[Lee Adama|Apollo]]'s continuous attempts to warn her back up.
*Eventually, Starbuck struggles successfully to return to space, but not after, during the descent, she sees flashes of sights of an apartment with her mother standing there.

===Act 2===
*Starbuck is back aboard, but as [[Galen Tyrol]] and his deck crew inspect her Viper for damage, there is none.
*Starbuck's gun camera shows nothing, as several pilots including [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Lee Adama]], and [[Racetrack]] review it. They don't see Starbuck firing at anything but clouds.
*Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] speaks with his son and questions Thrace's competency. The admiral believes she is close to burnout, but the younger Adama believes her "steely-eyed Viper jock" mentality is all that holds Thrace together. The admiral repeats the question: Can she handle the strain?
*Lee Adama and Thrace are standing in the [[memorial hallway]]. Starbuck asks Major Adama to place her photo next to [[Kat]] if she meets her end before him. Likewise, Adama asks to have his photo next to [[Duck]] and his sweetheart, [[Nora]], both lost on [[New Caprica]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).
*Thrace asks what Lee and Admiral Adama think of her flight readiness. Major Adama tries to give her encouragement but Thrace is distracted by a wax dripping that looks like the mandala.
*Thrace passes by the Admiral and President [[Laura Roslin]] without noticing them when Adama greets her with an [[Nothing but the rain|old tag line]] they shared before the new Cylon War ([[Miniseries]]). Before moving on, Thrace gives him the Aurora figurine from the oracle's tent as a masthead for his sailing ship models.
*As Thrace goes through inspection of her Viper, she again sees a little girl, this time in her cockpit--Thrace as a girl. Her face is bruised and bleeding. Thrace has flashbacks of her mother and is shocked into stopping her inspection.

===Act 3===
*A visibly shaken Thrace sits by her Viper when Lee Adama goes back to check on her.
*Thrace says she is not going back out to fly, not trusting herself. Adama volunteers to be her wingman to give her confidence.
*Thrace asks about [[Anastasia Dualla|Adama's wife]] and how their relationship was going. After a moment of discomfort after he notes things are going well, Thrace tells him that she is happy that things are working out. Thrace says that, as it was in the beginning, the two are back to being platonic.
*During Apollo and Starbuck's CAP, Starbuck sees another bogey and engages, but no one can confirm it on [[DRADIS]] again.
*Admiral Adama chooses caution and orders the Fleet to [[Action Stations|Condition One]] status, stopping refueling once more.
*Apollo is again trying to flag down Starbuck, but she is entranced once more and again flying downward in the clouds.
*Starbuck's Viper is hit by debris. Her forward canopy window is punctured, she is knocked unconscious, and her fighter begins to tumble. An alarm sounds in the cockpit, and the scene blurs to find a sleeping Thrace shutting off a radio alarm and awaking in her apartment, with a Leoben greeting her.
*Thrace believes she is being tricked again, unconscious or on a Cylon ship, but Leoben states otherwise.
*Leoben keeps noting how the mandala shape cloud attracts her, and that she has told anyone little about it.
*Leoben tells her of her tendency to cheat death ever since a day with her mother as they materialize to a small apartment, reliving an event six years ago, where Lieutenant Thrace stands before her mother as she reads a letter from a veterans administration. On the wall is a [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]] medal of honor, ostensibly from the first [[Cylon War]].
*Socrata Thrace first congratulates her daughter for being the first of her family to become an officer, then berates her for being only 16th in her class and having many demerits.
*Kara Thrace retaliates by discussing her mother never reaching officer status despite serving in the Cylon War.
*The lieutenant sees a doctor's report that tells that her mother has cancer that has spread rapidly.
*Socrata rejects any attempts of her daughter's sympathy, and Kara Thrace runs out the door, vowing never to return. The "real-world" Starbuck begins to cry as she relives the moment.
*Socrata Thrace stares at a filled dish of cigarette butts.

===Act 4===
*The scene shifts. Leoben tells Thrace how her mother waited at her apartment and died five weeks later.
*When Thrace tells her reluctance to return, Leoben presents her with another image, where she is able to walk to her mother's deathbed, Socata has a scrapbook of every doodle and letter that Thrace made, including one with the mandala.
*Thrace tells her mother that something is about to happen, the thing that her mother was preparing her for. Socrata tells her daughter that she is ready as she holds her mother's hand. As she presses Socrata's hand to her face, her mother takes her last breath. Starbuck cries and then smiles at being able to be there to hear her mother's final words.
*Leoben tells her that death is not hard to embrace, that this was the lesson her mother was trying to teach her daughter.
*When Thrace realizes that Leoben is not actually a Leoben, he replies that he never claimed to be.
*The scene shifts back to the cloud where Starbuck fails to climb. She reawakens, but continues to drop and chase the Raider image. The planetary cloud boundary, the point of no-return, also called the "hard deck", is getting closer, upon which the air pressure would crush the Viper.
*Starbuck finally calls out to Apollo: "Lee, I'll see you on the other side." As Apollo frantically calls her to wave off, she repeats, in a whisper, "Just let me go."
*Starbuck sees a vision of white light in her cockpit, and she smiles. Viewers also see an image of herself as a young girl in the same white light.
*A view from the tail of Apollo's Viper clearly shows the UFO/Raider, then Starbuck's Viper appears, chasing it. The UFO vanishes into the clouds, and the view cuts to Apollo, looking straight forwarding, declaring "Visual!"
*Shortly after Apollo gains visual of Starbuck, her Viper explodes. There is no ejection or rescue chute.
*Apollo reports the grim news to [[CIC]]. Everyone, from [[Saul Tigh]] to [[Gaeta]] to Admiral Adama, is visibly heartbroken.
*William Adama tries to work on his sailing ship model, with the Aurora figurine now attached, which fits perfectly. But his anger and grief over the loss of Kara Thrace leads him to destroy the model and begin to cry heavily.

==Bonus Scene==
*The scene begins shortly before Act 3, where, as Starbuck inspects her Viper, she finds hydraulic fluid, and becomes visibly angry at Chief Tyrol. Major Adama moves in to attempt to calm her down.

== Questions ==
* Will Anders blame Apollo for the loss of Kara once the news of her death reaches him?
* Who is the being that was Kara's "spiritual" guide during her dream? Is he somehow connected to the makers of the mandala in the Temple of Five?
* Is Kara in the cockpit of the Viper as it explodes?
* Is Kara a Cylon, more specifically, one of the [[Final five|final five]]?
* Is the [[Starbuck's Raider|Heavy Raider]] real or a hallucination?
* Did Lee see the Heavy Raider, as indicated by this [http://www.templetons.com/images/leeview2.jpg point-of-view] shot?
* Is the cockpit truly damaged from space debris, or is it imagined just as the supposed damage that Kara initially believed happened at the first encounter with the Raider.
* Will Helo experience any form of guilt or regret for showing the picture of the mandala to Kara?
* What did Kara mean when she told Lee: "See you on the other side."
* Who will take Kara's place as Galactica's Viper ace?

== Analysis ==

* Although Starbuck is contemplating to eject from her damaged Viper, the planet is a gas giant. It doesn't have a solid surface and the atmosphere would crush her just like a ship. Thus, even if she successfully ejected, her survival is doubtful.

* The episode brings many story elements of Kara's history to a close as everything comes to a full circle, which is a general meaning of a mandala in spiritual contexts. A few of these elements include:
** Admiral Adama and Thace's interchange of "What do you hear? - [[Nothing but the rain]]". This is first scene that introduced Kara and her overall relationship with Adama at the beginning of the [[Miniseries]].
** The scene between Apollo aand Starbuck where she states that they've reached full circle as she is again the hotshot pilot who gives nothing but grief to her CAG.
** Admiral Adama's proposed proposed rescue of her shows his a to rescue his pilots. Similar "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" when Kara is lost on a hostile planet, Adama wants to use search and rescue team to attempt to find her. However, this time, it is Lee who denies his father the attempt because of futility of looking for her Viper's broken pieces.
** Her continued hostility and bitterness towards her mother finally reach its close as Kara is finally able to witness her mother's death and hear her final words.
** The final moment before Thace's Viper explodes, an image of a younger Kara being engulfed in light could either be symbolism or an event that represents Thace's return to her childhood innocence.
** Her hostility towards Leoben comes to a close as she comes to welcome the help and guidance of her "Leoben" guide.

*It should be noted that the Leoben in her vision is *not* a cylon, but an unidentified manifestation. Kara says "You're not Leoben, are you?" and the manifestation replies "I never said I was." What this aspect of Kara's vision means remains unknown.

** Kara's death can be seen as the close of her origin desire to die during the episode, "[[Scar]]". However, Kara is ready to embrace death and see a new beginning with it, while in "[[Scar]]" her original desire is fuel over despair of her belief that Anders was dead on Caprica. Both episode plots are motivated by a mysterious Cylon pilot.

* Admiral Adama is shown in the middle of building his model ship after the failed assassination attempt and the division of the Fleet ([[Home, Part I]]). The ship is finally completed at the moment of Adama coming to grips with his grief of Kara's death. In reaction, the ship that was begun during a period of great personal turmoil within Adama is destroyed in the midst of another episode of intense grief and anger.

* Even though Lee and Kara decided to forge on with their marriages, it is Lee who has found contentment with Dualla while Kara remained in turmoil with Anders. The scene after another love making session indicates that their relationship hadn't improved much since "[[Taking a Break from All Your Worries]]".

* The figurine that Kara gives to Adama is an idol of the goddess Aurora, the goddess of the dawn and gentle breeze. The relationship between this goddess and Kara seems to be highlighted prior to her Viper's explosion as she apparently is engulfed in light and wind within her cockpit.

* The connection and parallels between Lee and Kara are furthered strengthened during Socrata Thrace's death scene. When Kara confesses to her mother about her fear of taking the next step towards her destiny, her mother remarks that she knows that Kara can meet the task. When asked how she knows this, her response is almost word for word exactly what William Adama said to his son in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]": "'You are my daughter (son).'" Thus, similar to Lee, Kara is finally able to bury the hatchet with her mother.

== Notes ==
*Katee Sackhoff had to sign a confidentiality agreement relating to what happened to her character in this episode.
*Adama can be seen building his model ship in "[[Home, Part I]]".
* The introduction of the goddess Aurora increases the number of known gods within the Colonial religion. As before with the use of names such as Mars and Jupiter, Aurora is the romanized name for the Greek goddess Eos.
* An aurora is a radiant emission from a planet's upper atmosphere that occurs sporadically over the middle and high latitudes of both hemispheres in the form of luminous bands, thus forming the pattern of the mandala that Kara sees in her first flight over the planet.
*The model ship Adama was building over the course of the series was a very expensive rental prop which [[Edward James Olmos]] destroyed in an ad-lib expression of Adama's grief over the loss of Starbuck, much to [[Ron Moore]]'s dismay.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

:Kara: "Mama, something's about to happen, you know that thing you were trying to prepare me for, I don't know if I can do it.
:Socrata: "Oh yes you can, Kara."
:Kara: "How can you be sure?"
:Socrata: "You're my daughter."
:Leoben: "See there's nothing terrible about death, when you finally face it, it's beautiful. You're free now, to become who you really are."
:Kara: "You're not Leoben, are you?."
:Leoben: "I never said I was. I'm here to prepare you to pass through the next door, to discover what happens in the space between life and death."

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Georgia Craig]] as [[Brenn|Oracle Brenn]]
*[[Dorothy Lyman]] as [[Socrata Thrace]]

== References ==
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The Twelve Colonies of Kobol

2006-06-29T06:17:43Z

PhoenixHacker: /* Caprica */

:''This article discusses the Twelve Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. See [[The Twelve Colonies (TOS)]] for information on the Colonies of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]].''

{{Twelve Colonies Series}}
Approximately 2,000 years ago, twelve of the thirteen tribes of [[Kobol]] settled on nearby worlds ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]). Their names and icons originally corresponded to the twelve signs of the ancient tribes although these [[wikipedia:Zodiac|names]] drifted over time. ([[Home, Part II]]).<ref>Flag matches with Cononies from "Encyclopedia Galactica." [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Magazine]]. Feb./Mar. 2006: 50-55.</ref>

Although Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Roslin]] mention leaving the solar system, it is unclear whether all twelve Colonies are orbiting a single star or what the name of this star might be. ([[Miniseries]])

The semi-canonical 2003 [[Video Game]] names the home system for the Twelve Colonies as [[Cyrannus]] but this has yet to be confirmed in the new television series. In an early script of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica Miniseries, the Twelve Colonies were originally located on a single world - [[Kobol]]. However, this was later revised to twelve separate worlds, in keeping with the original concept.''

[[Ronald D. Moore]] has suggested that the Colonies probably maintained some minor observatories and listening posts in outlying star systems, but it is unlikely that ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' will encounter them in the course of the series. <ref>[http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 January 30, 2005] blog entry by [[Ronald D. Moore]]</ref>

==Aerelon==
[[Image:ColonialColors7.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aerelon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Aries|Aries]]

"15 people were killed" when President [[Richard Adar]], for reasons unexplained, sent the [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marines]] to Aerelon ([[Water]]).

The mining colony of [[Troy]], destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion ([[Flesh and Bone]]) is located near Aerelon, and may have been operated by natives of that world. [[Troy]] was the alleged home of [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] ([[Flesh and Bone]]).

The pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] team from Aerelon played against the [[Caprica Buccaneers]] in one of the last games before the Cylon attack. They apparently won ([[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]).

A photo of a grief-stricken soldier staring out at the ruins of Aerelon's capital hangs behind President Roslin's desk and on the bulkhead of the pilot ready room on ''Galactica'' (titled "[[Lest We Forget]]"). ''Galactica's ''pilots touch the photo for luck as they file past to the hanger.

===Natives===
*[[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] - ([[Cylon agent#Ron Moore elaborates on the twelve models|Falsified]]. Precise home given as the [[Troy]] mining colony)
*[[Sekou Hamilton]] (Presumably - editor of the ''Aerelon Gazette'')
*[[Socinus]]
*The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aerelon voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]])

===Publications===
*''[[Aerelon Gazette]]''

 

==Aquaria==
[[Image:ColonialColors12.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Aquaria]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Aquarius|Aquarius]])

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Aquaria voted for [[Tom Zarek]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).
 

==Canceron==
[[Image:ColonialColors9.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Canceron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Cancer (constellation)|Cancer]]

*[[Robin Wenutu]] is the Canceron Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]].

 

==Caprica==
[[Image:ColonialColors3.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Caprica]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Capricorn|Capricorn]])

Caprica is a large blue-green planet, similar to Earth. Its largest population center is [[Caprica City]], which serves as the seat of all three branches of the Colonial [[Government]]. Caprica City is surrounded by other small towns and hamlets, such as [[Oasis]]. Thus far, Caprica is the only planet of the Twelve Colonies that viewers have seen directly. The episode opening credits show Caprica City, as well as the nuclear bombing of Caprica itself.

Other major cities included [[Delphi]], famous for the [[Delphi Museum of the Colonies]] and also home to a large spaceport. During the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon attack]], the Cylons spared Delphi from nuclear bombardment in order to use it as a base of operations in their occupation of the planet. The human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance]] cell led by [[Samuel Anders]] operates near Delphi.

Caprica is known for its fine Caprican cloth (which Dr. Gaius Baltar wears), [[fumarella leaf]], [[Caprican Imperial|Caprican cigars]] and art.

A railway line can be seen below the balcony of Baltar's house on Caprica during [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]. Internal combustion engine powered vehicles, such as cars and trucks, are seen extensively in shots of Caprica.

===Natives===
*[[William Adama|William "Husker" Adama]].
*[[Caroline Adama]]
*[[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]].
*Lt. [[Zak Adama]]
*Doctor [[Gaius Baltar]]
*[[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]] (Had an apartment in Delphi. Sky One sources state that she was born on Picon, but this this information is questionable).
*[[James McManus]] (Presumably - editor of the ''[[Caprican Times]]'')
*[[Aaron Doral]] (alleged home was in [[Oasis]])
*President [[Richard Adar]] (Presumably - according to background information from SkyOne he started his political career as the mayor of [[Caprica City]])

===Publications and Media===
*''[[Caprican Times]]''
*''[[Caprican Life]]''
*''[[Caprica 7]]''

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Caprica Buccaneers]]

===See also===
* [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]

 

==Gemenon==
[[Image:ColonialColors5.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Gemenon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Gemini|Gemini]]

Gemenon natives are known for their literal interpretations of the [[Sacred Scrolls]] ([[Fragged]]). Despite federal laws guaranteeing of reproductive freedom, the population of Gemenon was apparently very strongly opposed to abortion. Traditional Gemenese law declares children to be the property of their parents ([[The Captain's Hand]]).

Gemenon is home to the Kobol College School of Public Relations ([[Miniseries]]). One of the last ever pro [[Pyramid (RDM)|Pyramid]] games was held on Gemenon just prior to the [[Cylon Attack]] on the Colonies ([[Miniseries]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Sarah Porter]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*Corporal [[Venner]]
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Rya Kibby]]
 

==Leonis==
[[Image:ColonialColors8.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Leonis]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Leo|Leo]]

[[Safiya Sanne]] is identified as both Leonis's and [[#Picon|Picon]]'s representative on the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. See his article for details.

 

==Libra==
[[Image:ColonialColors11.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Libra]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Libra|Libra]]

''Practically no information has been given yet regarding the colony corresponding to Libra. Its colonial-era name also has yet to be confirmed.''

The ''[[Space Park]]'', a passenger liner in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], is of Libran registry.

 

==Picon==
[[Image:ColonialColors2.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Picon]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Pisces|Pisces]])

Picon was the location for the [[Picon Fleet Headquarters|Colonial Fleet Headquarters]] ([[Miniseries]]), and as such came under heavy attack during the early stages of the [[Cylon Attack|Cylon attack]]. President [[Richard Adar]] offered a complete and unconditional surrender to the Cylons after Picon was nuked; this overture was ignored ([[Miniseries]], [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)|deleted scene]]).

[[Ellen Tigh]] claimed to be at the airport on Picon, "on her way home" when the attack started, and that some unknown hero ensured she was put on the last ship to get off the planet ([[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]).

===Natives===
*Representative [[Safiya Sanne]], [[Quorum of Twelve]] (Although see his article for some confusion on the matter)
* [[Playa Palacios]], Veteran columnist from the ''Picon Star Tribune'' (presumed a resident)
* [[Asha Janik]], Cylon sympathizer, member of the "[[Demand Peace]]" movement

===Publications===
*''[[Picon Star Tribune]]''

===Pyramid Team===
* [[Picon Panthers]] ("[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]")

 

==Sagittaron==
[[Image:ColonialColors10.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Sagittaron]]
'''Ancient Name''': (presumably [[wikipedia:Sagittarius|Sagittarius]])

Sagittaron endured centuries of exploitation at the hands of the other Colonies ([[Bastille Day]]), so much so that even after unified Colonial rule, [[Tom Zarek]] led an organized series of terrorist acts against the established government there. One of these acts include blowing up a government building ([[Bastille Day]]). Under Sagittarian penal law, convicted felons lose their citizenship, but have it automatically reinstated after they finish serving their sentences. This included the right to vote and to stand for election ([[Colonial Day]]).

As of "[[33]]", 5,251 natives of the planet were in [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]].

===Natives===
*Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*Representative [[Tom Zarek]], [[Quorum of Twelve]]
*[[Valance]] ([[Colonial Day]])
*[[Leon Grimes]] ([[Colonial Day]])

 

==Scorpia==
[[Image:ColonialColors6.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Scorpia]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Scorpius|Scorpio]]

Home to the [[Scorpion Fleet Shipyards]], where the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' was docked during the [[Cylon Attack]]. Scorpia native [[Eladio Puasha]] serves as its Quorum delegate.

 

==Tauron==
[[Image:ColonialColors4.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Tauron]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Taurus (constellation)|Taurus]]

The unnamed [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate from Tauron votes for [[Gaius Baltar]] in the vice-presidential elections ([[Colonial Day]]).

In a May 31st, 2006 [http://media23a.libsyn.com/a3eaeJh2aHaXeWN7Z3RppGuolHWY/podcasts/podcast411/411_060531.mp3 interview], [[Ron Moore]] stated that he toyed with the idea of making Tauron a [[Wikipedia:matriarchy|matriarchy]], unlike the gender-blind society of the other Colonies (prominently Caprica) we've seen so far.

===Natives===
*Admiral [[Helena Cain]]

 

==Virgon==
[[Image:ColonialColors1.png|thumb|100px|right|Colors and Symbol of Virgon]]
'''Ancient Name''': [[wikipedia:Virgo|Virgo]]

[[Marshall Bagot]] is the Virgon Representative to the [[Quorum of Twelve]]. In public ceremony, the Virgon delegate wears a light blue sash.

Soon after the [[Cylon attack]] began, a large battle began "shaping up" over the planet and apparently ended with the destruction of the [[battlestar]] ''[[Atlantia]]'' and the death of [[Admiral Nagala]] hours later.

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Talk:Soundtrack (Season 1)/Archive 1

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== Press release ==
Is the press release still neccesary? The soundtrack has been out for a little while now. [[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 09:47, 22 March 2006 (CST)

==Battlestar Operatica==
I don't really know where this belongs so I'll just slap it up here and hope someone thinks to incorporate it into an article. The following are the lyrics to Battlestar Operatica translated from Italian according to The Official Companion. --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 21:49, 22 March 2006 (CST)
Woe upon your Cylon heart
There's a toaster in your head
And it wears high heels

Number Six calls to you
The Cylon Detector beckons
Your girlfriend is a toaster

Language in the Twelve Colonies

2006-03-16T02:09:01Z

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{{Twelve Colonies Series}}
English, or some language that is universally translated into it (à la [[Wikipedia:Westron|Tolkien]]) is standard. Loanwords from foreign languages ("fascist", "karma", "esprit de corps" etc.) occur with normal frequency, as do chronologically enigmatic borrowings such as the [[Original battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] ''[[Columbia]]''. Most religious terms are explicitly shared with ancient greek beliefs (either antecedent to or descendent from them).

==Vocabulary==

===Anachronisms===
[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Battlestar Galactica]] uses many terms from modern day naval aviation, which appear somewhat anachronistic but also lend the show a flavor of realistic jargon. These include:
*[[Combat Air Patrol]]
*[[Commander Air Group]]
*Planes
:'''Adama:''' You keep my planes flying. I need my planes to fly. ([[Litmus]])

===Ersatz===
In contrast to its [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|predecessor]], the re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica'' employs relatively little in the way of ersatz vocabulary. It does employ a few terms outside of a normal american english vocabulary, mostly military jargon. These are mixed in haphazardly with the real-life naval aviation terms above.

*[[Colonial Wireless Alphabet|Constellation]] - [[Wikipedia:NATO phonetic alphabet|Charlie]] (As used in the sense of radio alphabetic code, e.g.: "Alpha, Bravo, Constellation".)
*[[Dradis]] - [[Wikipedia:RADAR|Radar]]
*[[Fumarella leaf]] - [[Wikipedia:Tobacco|Tobacco]]
*[[Frak]] - A bowdlerized version of "Fuck" (c.f. "[[Wikipedia:Frell|Frell]]" (Farscape), "[[Wikipedia:Frag|Frag]]" (Babylon 5), "[[Wikipedia:Smeg|Smeg]]" (Red Dwarf))
*[[G-4]] - [[Wikipedia: C-4 (explosive)|C-4]]
*[[Krypter]] - [[Wikipedia:Mayday|Mayday]]
*[[Morpha]] - [[Wikipedia:Morphine|Morphine]]
*[[Serisone]] - [[Wikipedia:prednisone|Prednisone]]
*[[Wireless]] - [[Wikipedia:Radio|Radio]]

===Invented Terminology===
As all science fiction shows must, Battlestar Galactica has a set of vocabulary referring to technologies and other items not shared with the real world.

*[[Ambrosia]] - a bright green alcoholic beverage
*[[Carom]] - the angle above or below the XY plane of a vessel, perpendicular to [[Wikipedia:Bearing (navigation)|bearing]] (c.f. "Mark" (Star Trek))
*[[Chamalla]] - an [[Wikipedia:Entheogen|entheogen]] used by priests
*[[Red Line]] - the border of space charted by the Colonials

===Enigmas===

Language in ''Battlestar Galactica'' have terms whose origins are a curiosity due to chronology or uniqueness to the real-world Earth that likely wouldn't have a parallel of the same name in the Twelve Colonies. See [[History of the Twelve Colonies#Pre-History|an interpretation of the origin of humanity on Kobol]] that could support the derivation of these terms.

* ''[[Columbia]]'': This battlestar name's origin is strange since its popular Earth derivation comes from Christopher Columbus, a man unlikely to have existed in the Twelve Colonies.

===Honorifics===
Although civilians use the honorific "Madam" or it's shortened form "ma'am", in the Colonial military all superior officers are referred to as "Sir", regardless of gender. According to RDM's [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/blogs blog] on January 20th, 2006, the series follows the system established in "[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]", where the term "sir" has become gender-neutral in military usage. Thus, [[Laura Roslin]] is refered to as "Madam President" or "ma'am" in a civilian context, but in her capacity as Commander-in-Chief, she is always addressed as "sir".

==Accents==

Most characters speak with a [[Wikipedia:General American|Standard American]] accent, with some exceptions.

===English Accent===
Two characters speak with the [[Wikipedia:Received Pronunciation|Received Pronunciation]], Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] of Caprica and ship's medic [[Layne Ishay]]. Other characters from Caprica do not share this accent.

===Canadian Accent===
Occassionally when Col. [[Saul Tigh]] is shouting or barking out orders, he exhibits a faint canadian accent. [[Michael Hogan]] is a noted Canadian actor, and on the show his speech is usually indistinguishable from Standard American English, but observant fans can occassionally detect a trace of an accent.

===Spanish Accent===
[[Giana]], a woman rescued from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]], spoke with a Spanish accent, and inquired after the whereabouts of her husband, who she stated was "stationed on Gemenon". Her place of origin is unclear, but no other characters from either Caprica, [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemenon|Gemenon]], or anywhere else have shared this accent. The actress, Lymari Nadal, is from Puerto Rico.

===Aerelon Accent===
In the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Baltar noted that Sharon Valerii spoke with a trace of an [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Aerelon|Aerelon]] accent. The actress who portrays her, Grace Park, is fluent in both English and Korean, but speaks Standard American English without a foreign accent.

===Kiwi Accent===
The reporter [[D'anna Biers]] speaks with a Kiwi/New Zealand accent (this is actually the accent that actress [[Lucy Lawless]] speaks with when off screen, because she is from New Zealand). However, the same episode revealed that D'anna is actually a [[Cylon agent]], and another copy of D'anna on Cylon-occupied Caprica does ''not'' speak with this accent, but a Standard American one. This seems to imply that D'anna's entire personality was for show, and that the Cylons seem to use more standardized pronunciation when amongst themselves ([[Final Cut]]; this subtle hint made by ''not'' using her Kiwi accent is also mentioned in David Eick's video blog). However, in her subsequent appearance in "[[Downloaded]]", D'anna/Number Three continues to speak with a Kiwi accent on Caprica (probably because Lawless wanted to keep using her normal Kiwi accent, after her character was turned into a recurring role).

==Liturgy==
During the funeral service at the end of the Mini-series, Priest [[Elosha]] chants a prayer in a foreign language. It is recognizable as a common Sanskrit prayer, found in Part I, Chapter III, Verse 28 of the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.

:{|
| '''Devanāgarī''' || '''Transliteration''' || '''Translation'''
|-
| अस्तो मा सद् गमय || ásato ma sád gamaya || Lead me from unreal to Real
|-
| तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय || támaso ma jyótir gamaya || Lead me from darkness to Light
|-
| मृत्योन् मा अमृतं गमय् || mrtyór mamrtam gamaya || Lead me from death to Immortality
|}

Although the lyrics are identifiable, it should be noted that the actress's performance is closer to the chanting of biblical Hebrew, and does not resemble the traditional melody.

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Red Line

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The '''Red Line''' refers to an imaginary border drawn around all space that the Colonials had charted, and marks the border between explored and unexplored space.

When attempting to escape the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] after their devastating [[Cylon Attack|attack]] on the Twelve Colonies, and with the future of 50,000 survivors on his hands, [[William Adama|Commander Adama]] orders a Jump "beyond the Red Line" to the [[Prolmar Sector]].
The Red Line The Jump to Promar Sector was beyond the Red Line, likely indicating the border between charted and uncharted space.

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Chancery

2006-03-16T01:23:20Z

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Any place where gambling is held, usually large scale casinos; like the [[Ovion]] human farm on [[Carillon]] or the facilities on the [[Rising Star (TOS)|Rising Star]].
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Oasis

2006-03-16T01:20:10Z

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A small hamlet located near [[Caprica City]], allegedly the birthplace of [[Aaron Doral]].
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Mueller (pilot)

2006-03-16T01:11:13Z

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Name of a pilot on the [[Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''. At one point he did a tour as a Squadron XO. [[Saul Tigh]] suggests him to replace [[Lee Adama]] as [[CAG]] after his defection to the [[Laura Roslin faction]], but [[William Adama]] dismisses him as "a malcontent".

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Hera Agathon

2006-03-12T10:59:28Z

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:''For information on the Lord of Kobol of the same name, see [[Hera, Lord of Kobol]].''

'''Hera''' is the first sucessful Human/Cylon Hybrid, the culmination of the Cylons' experiments to achieve viable procreation. Her parents are the human [[Karl Agathon|Lt. Karl "Helo" Agathon]] of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and a [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|copy of the Number Eight]]-model of Cylon ("Caprica" Valerii) who took part in the Cylon experiment to set up Helo into falling in love with and impregnating her. This experiment was conducted because the forced cross-breeding experiments in the Cylon [[Farms]] met with complete failure, and the Cylons theorized that the key element to procreation that they were missing was love (which is very important to them, because the Cylons believe that "God is love"). As a result, Hera is currently the only successful progeny of a humanoid Cylon, and therefore literally considered a "miracle of God" by the Cylons.

Hera was conceived [[Timeline (RDM)|24 days after the Cylon attack]] on Caprica, in a night of passion after Helo "rescued" Caprica-Sharon from what was really a Cylon trick. Caprica-Sharon was ordered to convince Helo to stay in "hiding" on Caprica, but instead she truly fell in love with Helo and then began helping him to escape the Cylons; Caprica-Sharon apparently then switched over to the human's side. After [[Kara Thrace|Lt. Thrace]] arrived on Caprica to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], she left in captured [[Heavy Raider]] along with Helo. and Caprica-Sharon went with them back to ''Galactica'', much to the consternation of many in the Fleet. Caprica-Sharon was held in ''Galactica's'' [[brig]] for the next few months, as her pregnancy continued to advance.

Hera was born by Caesarian section one month premature. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] then arranged with Dr. [[Cottle]] to fake her death, telling Helo and Sharon that she was dead, then secretly letting a woman named [[Maya]] adopt her. Maya did not know her true origin, and was told that she was the daughter of a ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer, who had given her up for political and religious reasons. The reason for this subterfuge was to keep Hera safe from humanoid Cylons hiding in the Fleet, by making them think that she had died ([[Downloaded]]).

When the Fleet settled on [[New Caprica]], Roslin began teaching the school in the settlement and Maya came with her. Maya brough along Hera, whom she had named "Isis" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

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Hera Agathon

2006-03-12T10:58:30Z

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:''For information on the Lord of Kobol of the same name, see [[Hera, Lord of Kobol]].''

'''Hera''' is the first sucessful Human/Cylon Hybrid, the culmination of the Cylons' experiments to achieve viable procreation. Her parents are the human [[Karl Agathon|Lt. Karl "Helo" Agathon]] of ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and a [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|copy of the Number Eight]]-model of Cylon ("Caprica" Valerii) who took part in the Cylon experiment to set up Helo into falling in love with and impregnating her. This experiment was conducted because the forced cross-breeding experiments in the Cylon [[Farms]] met with complete failure, and the Cylons theorized that the key element to procreation that they were missing was love (which is very important to them, because the Cylons believe that "God is love"). As a result, Hera is currently the only successful progeny of a humanoid Cylon, and therefore literally considered a "miracle of God" by the Cylons.

Hera was conceived [[Timeline (RDM)|24 days after the Cylon attack]] on Caprica, in a night of passion after Helo "rescued" Caprica-Sharon from what was really a Cylon trick. Caprica-Sharon was ordered to convince Helo to stay in "hiding" on Caprica, but instead she truly fell in love with Helo and then began helping him to escape the Cylons; Caprica-Sharon apparently then switched over to the human's side. After [[Kara Thrace|Lt. Thrace]] arrived on Caprica to retrieve the [[Arrow of Apollo]], she left in captured [[Heavy Raider]] along with Helo. and Caprica-Sharon went with them back to ''Galactica'', much to the consternation of many in the Fleet. Caprica-Sharon was held in ''Galactica's'' [[brig]] for the next few months, as her pregnancy continued to advance.

Hera was born by Caesarian section one month premature. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] then arranged with Dr. [[Cottle]] to fake her death, telling Helo and Sharon that she was dead, then secretly letting a woman named [[Maya]] adopt her. Maya did not know her true origin, and was told that she was the daughter of a ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer, who had given her up for political and religious reasons. The reason for this subterfuge was to keep Hera safe from humanoid Cylons hiding in the Fleet, by making them think that she had died ([[Downloaded]]).

When the Fleet settled on [[New Caprica]], Roslin began teaching the school in the settlement and Maya came with her. Maya brough along Hera, whom she had named "Isis" ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

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Bodie Olmos

2006-03-12T10:24:53Z

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Youngest son of Edward James Olmos and grandson of actor/singer Howard Keel.

Portrays Viper Pilot [[Brendan Constanza|Brendan ""Hot Dog" Constanza]].

[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0647453/maindetails IMDb page]

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Tory Foster

2006-03-12T10:18:33Z

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'''Tory Foster''' is President [[Laura Roslin]]'s new aide following [[Billy Keikeya]]'s death.

Prior to the Cylon attack, she was precinct captain for the [[Federalist Party]] in Delphi for five years, where she became good at taking polls. ([[The Captain's Hand]])

When President Roslin made the decision to keep the new-born Cylon Hybrid baby as far away from Sharon and the Cylons as possible, Tory made a list of hand picked civilians who could be trusted with the baby. In the end a civilian named [[Maya]] was selected to take custody of the child. Tory made it very clear that the child's mother's identity remain a secret. Tory told Maya that the mother was an "Officer aboard the ''Pegasus''." ([[Downloaded]]).

Tory later conspired with [[Saul Tigh]] and [[Anastasia Dualla]] to rig the election in Roslin's favor. The ruse was uncovered and suppressed by Adm. Adama and Lt. Gaeta. Foster's activities in the intervening year and her status as of the Cylon invasion of [[New Caprica]] remain unknown. ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])

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Maya

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'''Maya''' is a civilian within the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] who lost a baby not long ago.

She is selected from a list made for Dr. [[Cottle]] by [[Tory Foster]] as a possible adoptive parent for the [[Hera|child]] of [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] after President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] decides that the child should not be raised by her mother. Roslin orders Dr. Cottle to stage the baby's death to disguise the adoption from her parents.

Maya is told that the child was from a female ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer who gave up the child for political and religous reasons ([[Downloaded]]).

A little more than a year later, Maya assisted Ms. Roslin in running the New Caprica City Elementary School. ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])

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Tory Foster

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'''Tory Foster''' is President [[Laura Roslin]]'s new aide following [[Billy Keikeya]]'s death.

Prior to the Cylon attack, she was precinct captain for the [[Federalist Party]] in Delphi for five years, where she became good at taking polls. ([[The Captain's Hand]])

When President Roslin made the decision to keep the new-born Cylon Hybrid baby as far away from Sharon and the Cylons as possible, Tory made a list of hand picked civilians who could be trusted with the baby. In the end a civilian named [[Maya]] was selected to take custody of the child. Tory made it very clear that the child's mother's identity remain a secret. Tory told Maya that the mother was an "Officer aboard the ''Pegasus''." ([[Downloaded]]).

Tory later conspired with [[Saul Tigh]] and [[Anastasia Dualla]] to rig the election in Roslin's favor. The ruse was uncovered and suppressed by Adm. Adama and Lt. Gaeta. Foster's activities in the intervening year and her status as of the Cylon invasion of [[New Caprica]] remain unknown. ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])

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| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 18
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== Overview ==
: ''[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] society is revealed when a [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Cylon's consciousness]] is downloaded into a new body following her death. The conquerors of occupied [[Caprica]] hail two "heroes of the Cylon," who both resist their new celebrity status.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===
*Episode begins with a flashback to "Nine months ago - Caprica" showing [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s house being destroyed in the [[Miniseries]]. The copy of Number Six who had a relationship dies... and then we follow from her point of view as her consciousness is downloaded and reborn into another body in a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]]. She fell so deeply in love with Gaius Baltar that ''she'' starts having hallucinations of ''Baltar'', because the emotional impact of falling in love affected her so much. We then cut to "Ten weeks ago" on ''Galactica'' when [[Cally]] shoots [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]]... and follow from her point of view as she is downloaded (no doubt aided by the [[Resurrection Ship]] at the time) and wakes up totally disoriented in a new body in another rebirthing vat. A copy of the same model of Cylon known to humans as [[D'anna Biers]] tells her she'll be fine, but upon seeing another Sharon-model, Galactica-Sharon starts screaming uncontrollably.
*On Caprica in the present day, the Cylons are rebuilding [[Delphi]] for their own use, even making gardens. A D'anna-copy sits down to talk with the Number Six copy that seduced Baltar. She has never told anyone that she fell truly in love with Baltar, and to this day hallucinates him as a result, because she thinks the others would destroy her for being defective. The D'anna-copy asks if she will go and see another Cylon who was recently downloaded into a new body, and is still having trouble adapting: ''Galactica''-Sharon, who is also something of a celebrity and war hero for her acts of sabotage and attempted assassintation on Adama. She points out that she even still calls herself "Sharon". She warns that if she cannot be fixed, there is talk of "[[boxing]]" her: putting her consciousness in cold storage and never loading it into a new body again.
*This copy of Number Six is considered a war-hero; she was personally responsible for gaining the information that allowed the near-total sabotage of the Colonial Fleet, and has actually become something of a celebrity to the Cylons. They even refer to her specifically as "'''Caprica-Six'''".
*In a short conversation while walking to ''Galactica''-Sharon's old apartment (which she moved back into), the D'anna-copy quickly lists off the Numbers of several Cylon models: "[[D'anna Biers]]" is '''[[Number Three]]''', "[[Aaron Doral]]" is '''[[Number Five]]''', and "[[Sharon Valerii]]" is '''[[Number Eight]]'''.
*Caprica-Six goes to ''Galactica''-Sharon's apartment, where she proclaims that she doesn't believe in the Cylon God or his "love" and that the only real love she had was with the ''Galactica'' crew. She expresses intense guilt at betraying them. Caprica-Six starts to manipulate her by trying to empathize with her, saying that she loved a man too — Gaius Baltar. Startled, ''Galactica''-Sharon says that Baltar is not dead, but is the new Vice President of the Colonies, on board ''Galactica''.
*Moving their conversation to a cafe on the ground floor of Sharon's apartment, Caprica-Six and Sharon wonder why Number Three never told Caprica-Six that Baltar was alive. Caprica-Six (through conversation with her hallucinated Baltar) realizes that Number Three manipulated her. Sending her to Sharon, and letting her find out that the man she loved was alive, might make her go crazy. Number Three could then use this as an excuse to have them ''both'' boxed.
*Meanwhile, [[Samuel Anders]] and two other members of the human [[Resistance (movement)|resistance]] are planning to plant a bomb in the garage underneath the cafe, and blow it up. They know the Cylons will all just download into other bodies, but Anders points out that from Caprica-Sharon, they know that Cylons remember dying, and it must be horrifically painful — they're going to show them that nowhere is safe, and they should leave Caprica if they want to stop painfully dying and being reborn over and over again.
*Number Three shows up at the cafe, and asks how things are doing. Having realized her plan, Caprica-Six lies and says emphatically that Galactica-Sharon will move out of her apartment and start adapting back to Cylon life. Galactica-Sharon takes the hint and goes along with the lie. Disappointed, Number Three offers to help her move out right now, and they leave the cafe and start going up the stairs to Sharon's apartment.
*The resistance members set up the bomb and all but Anders leave, but just before he can get out a Cylon Centurion starts snooping around, and he can't get back to the exit. It sees the bomb and Anders shoots it then ducks behind a car as the bomb goes off.
*All three Cylons survived the blast, because the stairwell protected them on the higher floor. Caprica-Six is buried under some rubble, and Number Three insists that she is dead and they should leave her (subtly trying to kill her so Three can have her boxed). However, Caprica-Six then moves and asks for help and they uncover her. Her knee is dislocated, and Three again suggests that it would be easier, if Six wants, to just kill her so she'll be reborn. Realizing Three is trying to have her boxed, she insists on not doing that.
*They see someone else moving around under some rubble, and Number Three clears it off only to find that it is Anders. She takes his gun away and prepares to kill him, but Galactica-Sharon protests. Caprica-Six agrees, but to avoid suspicion from Number Three, claims pragmatically that they shouldn't kill him to he can be interrogated. Sharon sees that he has Starbuck's dogtags, and Number Three explains that she was on the planet a few weeks ago. Sharon realizes he's someone important to her.
*Number Three cruelly toys with Anders, putting his gun on the ground and daring him to take it. Sharon tells her to stop, and Number Three retorts that Sharon is a broken machine that thinks she's human, but she's not. Sharon says that at least she has a conscience, and Number Three says she's a murderer. Caprica-Six realizes that's exactly what the Cylons have been doing: murder and the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|genocide of the human race]] cannot be the [[Cylon Religion|path of their loving God]].
*Caprica-Six realizes why Number Three wanted her and ''Galactica''-Sharon boxed: they are celebrities in a culture based on unity. Three realized that based on their love of two human beings, they have different perspective on the War, and due to their celebrity status as Cylon heroes they could actually cause a change in the way many other Cylons think about their conflict with the humans, upsetting the ''status quo'' which Number Three upholds.
*Number Three says they've been corrupted by their experiences, and are a waste. Caprica-Six explains to Sharon that that is why Three wanted to get rid of them: because both of them now know the murder, vengeance, and genocide are sins in the eyes of God, and Sharon realizes that letting them tell the other Cylons this would make them all consider that the slaughter of mankind was a mistake.
*The rubble of the building shifts as Cylons outside are trying to clear their way to the survivors inside, and Anders makes a run for it and grabs his gun, shooting at Number Three before Galactica-Sharon knocks the gun out of his hands... which then lands near Number Three, who takes the gun. She stands up and just as Number Three is about to execute Anders, Caprica-Six hits her over the head with a large rock of stone from the rubble, then bashes it into her head again, killing her.
*Caprica-Six tells Anders to leave, and gives him back Starbuck's dogtags. Galactica-Sharon gives him back his gun as he leaves. Six realizes that with all of the Cylons dead in the cafe, it should be at least 36 hours before Number Three gets resurrected and tells the others what happened.
*Caprica-Six tells Galactica-Sharon that this is enough time to start changing things, start a new beginning for the Cylons: A way to live in God's love, without hate or lies. Together, these two Heroes of the Cylons can show them the way. Sharon says that she is with her, and they are dug out of the ruins of the building.

===On ''Galactica''===
*[[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Sharon]] has gone into labor; she passed out and her placenta detached, and Dr. [[Cottle]] delivers the baby by C-section. It is premature and its lungs aren't fully developed as a result, so it has to be put in an oxygen-incubator. As Caprica-Sharon predicted, it is a girl. Helo and Caprica-Sharon adore it together, and name her "[[Hera]]".
*Meanwhile, President [[Roslin]], Baltar, [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], and Col. [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] debate what to do with it. Baltar points out that it is half-human. Adama realizes the Cylons want it, and that the Cylons still hiding in the Fleet will try to make a move for it if they know about it.
*President Roslin has decided to hide Hera to protect her, so she has Cottle convince Helo and Caprica-Sharon that their baby has died (using a fake). Caprica-Sharon goes into hysterics and nearly chokes Cottle before breaking down, sobbing.
*In fact, Roslin has given her to a woman named [[Maya]], who lost her baby in the Cylon attack. Maya adopts Hera, thinking she is a normal human child from a Pegasus officer.
*Helo, helped by Chief Tyrol, spreads the "ashes" of Hera (actually faked) out the back of a Raptor into open space.
*Number Six is devastated that Baltar "let" this happen and could not protect "their baby", though he says he did all he could. Number Six says that God's will was that Hera survive, that God's will was that "she would lead the next generation of God's children". In a rage, she says that Gaius has committed a sin, and his entire race will suffer God's vengeance.

== Questions ==
*What will Number Three do when she is re-embodied?
*Who is Number One?
*Based on reports of Lucy Lawless being asked if she wanted to "be God" and her current command behavior, could Number Three be based on a [[Iblis|Count Iblis]] type character?
**No. Number Three is a just a physical Cylon which will ''claim'' to be a God, Count Iblis was actually a metaphysical being.
**Ron D. Moore has also stated in [[Iblis#In the Re-Imagined Series|interviews]] that he does not intend to bring a Count Iblis character onto the Re-Imagined Series at this time.
* What model numbers are "[[Simon]]" and "[[Leoben Conoy]]" ?
**Based on the assumption that model number corresponds with apparent age per the analysis below, Leoben Conoy — whose age is close to that of D'anna Biers — is probably Number Two or Number Four, while Simon is likely either Number Four or Number Seven.
* Based on information mentioned in the Analysis, could the Cylons be patterning a [[Wikipedia: gerontocracy|gerontocratic]] form of leadership structure?
*Given that Baltar's home was destroyed and Caprica-Six "died" in a nuclear explosion, how did Baltar survive?
**In the [[Miniseries]] novelization, this is expanded upon; his house wasn't entirely destroyed (that is, not reduced to pebbles) and when Caprica-Six blocked the blast with her body it shielded him enough; he was thrown through the house against a wall and slightly hurt but did not die. (Note that novelizations are not typically considered [[canon]]ical.)
***You only see shock wave (ie a force) destroying the house, rather than nuclear fall out of any sort. Given the gap between the flash and shock wave (and Baltar's survival), the distance from detonation probable was far enough that he was not engulfed by the fireball (one would presume a remote house over a lake is not considered a target). Similarly or in contrast the survival of Delphi may be attributed to a Neutron bomb, designed to kill via radiation while leaving most infrastructure intact.
* This episode raises new questions about the nature of Baltar-Six. Is she (merely) a projection from Baltar's subconscious mind, has she somehow been implanted into his psyche by the Cylons, or is she actually an angel (as she claims) or a demoness (as befits her personality)? It has already been established by the brainscan performed by Dr. Cottle that there is no cybernetic implant in Baltar's brain, at least none that is detectable by human technology. Also, in Ron Moore's podcast he seems to indicate that she is no more than a hallucination, produced by Baltar's subconsciousness. Her actions, however, do seem to be aimed at advancing a Cylon agenda.
**Is it possible that in shielding Baltar from that blast, parts of each other's consciousness got imprinted on one another? That would not show in a scan, and would help explain why she has an imaginary Baltar.
**It is perhaps interesting to note that Baltar's Six is subtly different in personality from the actual Six that he knew, while Six's Baltar is different in personality than the actual Baltar. This suggests that Six's Baltar is based upon her own perception of Baltar more than the man himself, and vice versa.
* Does death hold any meaning to the Cylons? If they can just be reborn then perhaps they don't truly understand murder and genocide?
**When they can't be resurrected their behavior changes ([[Scar]], [[The Captain's Hand]]), indicating that ''permanent'' death is something they avoid. On board the Pegasus, Gina's desire for death so that she can escape her memories indicates that, for some of them at least, they have some concept of death that coincides with the human understanding of it.

== Analysis ==
*Apparently the documentary broadcast from [[the Fleet]] in "[[Final Cut]]" was not made widely available, since if Caprica-Six had seen it, she would have already known about Baltar's survival.
*In the scene where ''Galactica''-Sharon is downloaded into her new body, when another Sharon smiles and says "we love you Sharon", this mirrors how another Sharon said the same thing to her on the basestar in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", at which point she also freaked out.
*There does not appear to be any pattern to the numbering scheme of the 12 Cylon models: Three (D'anna), Five (Doral), Six (Shelley Godfrey/Gina), Eight (Sharon), i.e. not all females are an even number, males an odd number.
**However, these models do seem to get progressively younger the higher (perhaps, "most recent") their Number is: Three is eldest and has the number closest to one, while Eight is youngest and has the highest number out of these four. The older models also tend to have more authority.
**Following that pattern, would Numbers Nine through Twelve be modeled after teenagers or children?
*Cylon society on Caprica appears to consist of mostly mimicking human behavior — clothing, apartments, cafés, parks for relaxation, etc. In essence, the Cylons are merely trying to be what they have just exterminated — humans.
**They have established previously that they consider humans to be more "real" and closer to God than they are ("this form brings us closer to God..."); they think that humans are more "real" and that if they wish to be real, they should adopt ''some'' aspects of what humanity is, but this doesn't necessarily stop them from being quite different from humanity.
*Cylons appear to lead asexual lives — no Cylon "couples" were observed, or even any obvious signs of friendship between Cylons. While frequently talking about, and concerned with, love, Cylons are celibate except when interacting with humans.
*As Caprica-Six and ''Galactica''-Sharon pointed out, the Cylons' claim that they are superior to humans because humans still kill because of greed and jealousy, etc. is hypocritical. They point out the logical disconnect of conducting genocide and murder in the name of an all-loving God. Further, Number Three's plan to "box" Caprica-Six and ''Galactica''-Sharon, which would ''in effect'' be murdering them, also makes her a murderer like the humans she claims to be better than.
*At various points in the series, Baltar's internal Number Six has been seen manipulating physical objects: a test-tube in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", a chair in "[[Home, Part II]]", etc., which has led to the question of whether this is a continuity error, or if she is more real than she claims to be. In this episode, we seem to get an answer to this: Caprica-Six's hallucinatory Baltar makes a drink while in ''Galactica''-Boomer's apartment and hands it to her...only for the camera to shift angles, the hallucination-Baltar to be gone, and to show that Caprica-Six is actually grasping at air. Thus it can be inferred that this is just a stylistic choice by the production team: whenever Number Six ''appears'' to be manipulating a physical object on ''Galactica'', Baltar is hallucinating that she is doing this, and the camera is showing things that aren't "really" happening, from Baltar's perspective.
*The Cylons did not expect their initial attack to be anywhere near as successful as it was. This would explain the apparently large number of Cylon military vessels showing up everywhere as the Cylons expected to fight a more protracted war against a larger surviving human military force.
**That the Cylons felt it so necessary to sabotage the Colonial Fleet through Caprica-Six implies that they felt attacking without that advantage would have at best cost them many ships, and at worst resulted in defeat. The placing of the backdoor in the [[CNP]] was high risk; if the Colonials had discovered it before the Cylons attacked, they would have been forewarned of the coming assault, and could even have surprised the Cylons by acting as if they were unaware of the problem while secretly disabling the backdoor on all military spacecraft.
*Hera's being hidden away soon after her birth in order to protect her fits her messiah-status, as other messiah figures have often also been hidden after their birth in similar fashion, such as [[Wikipedia:Jesus|Jesus]], [[Wikipedia:Moses|Moses]], [[Wikipedia:Harry Potter|Harry Potter]], [[Wikipedia:Superman|Superman]], [[Wikipedia:Aragorn|Aragorn]], [[Wikipedia:Luke Skywalker|Luke Skywalker]], etc.
**This is also a common theme with tragic characters such as [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]], [[Wikipedia:Aegisthus|Aegisthus]], and [[Wikipedia:Paris (mythology)|Paris]].
*It's strange that Roslin included Colonel Saul Tigh in the conversation about Hera's fate, but not Commander Lee Adama, who now outranks him.
**It is likely that Commander Lee Adama was busy adjusting to his duties as the new CO of ''Pegasus'' and was briefed separately.
*"At least forty" humano-Cylons were killed in the cafe bombing. When Three was killed by Caprica-Six, she said it would take "at least 36 hours" for Three's consciousness to be downloaded to a new body. This implies perhaps a sequential (as opposed to parallel) processing of the download process. Why can't they handle more at the same time? Is it a technical limitation, or perhaps a religious one (i.e. they always try to treat the process with reverence)? That seems kind of inefficient though. In any case, it appears to take a little less than an hour per download assuming sequential downloading.
**It is likely that additional forty downloads exceeds the short term capability of the hardware that was emplaced on Caprica. Resources are not infinite, and the current hardware is most likely what is deemed sufficient for routine work based on normal usage.
**There has to be some kind of buffer system in place to hold the Cylons' consciousnesses in their layover between their physical death and rebirth if a large number of them die all at once.

== Notes ==
*Anders refers to humanoid Cylons as "Skin Jobs" in this episode, another reference to [[Wikipedia:Blade_Runner|Blade Runner]] by the Re-Imagined Series. The Cylon Centurions are being referred to as "Bullet Heads".
*The vision of [[Number Six]] that Baltar sees all the time is ''not'' the same person as the woman he was sleeping with on Caprica who used him to lower Colonial defenses: [[Caprica-Six]]'s consciousness was downloaded into a new body. Chip-Six might be a duplicate, or something else.
*[[Lee Adama]] is visible in a photograph in [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]'s apartment in [[Delphi]]. However, Adama and Valerii had never served together prior to the events of the [[miniseries]]. This is probably a continuity error.
*Apollo and Starbuck do not appear in this episode. This is the first episode of the season in which Apollo has not appeared, and the third episode of the season in which Starbuck has not appeared (after "[[Fragged]]" and "[[Black Market]]").
**In the first season, Apollo did not appear in "[[Litmus]]".
**As of this episode, the only characters that have appeared in every episode of the Re-Imagined Series are President [[Laura Roslin]], Admiral [[William Adama]], and Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]. Michael Hogan (Col. Tigh) is actually not one of the seven "regular" cast members, but he has still been in every episode to date.
*Ricky Worthy (Cylon "[[Simon]]") and Callum Keith Rennie (Cylon "[[Leoben Conoy]]") do not actually appear in this episode. In several brief shots, body doubles dressed as their characters are seen from behind or in the distance, but these actors did not return for the episode.
*We learn a lot of Cylon names in this episode: out of the 12 [[Cylon agent|humanoid models]] of Cylon, besides the already-known "[[Number Six]]", the one who posed as human reporter "[[D'anna Biers]]" is model '''Number Three''', the one who posed as PR representative "[[Aaron Doral]]" is model '''Number Five''', and the one who infiltrated ''Galactica'' posing as the pilot "Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii" is model '''Number Eight'''.
*A longstanding question has been answered: What do the Cylons call each other amongst themselves? They actually don't use the names of any human personas they might have infiltrated the Colonies with. "Number Six" is actually called "Number Six" in dialog for the first time in this episode (in the [[Miniseries]], we were left with the cryptic "There are twelve models, I am number six"). It is revealed that Cylons just call and think of themselves as "Number Three" or "Three", etc. It was speculated that individual copies might be distinguished by using a serial number or other ID, but apparently Cylon society is based so much on the idea of unity and lack of individuality that they simply ''do not have'' designations for individual units. When Number Three refers to ''Galactica''-Sharon, she just refers to her as "an Eight", etc. "Caprica-Six" is a makeshift nickname that was made up for the individual "celebrity" Number Six (probably because the Cylons had never developed a formal convention for naming individual units). Caprica-Six is sometimes called "Caprica" for short.
*This gets a little confusing, because even though all of the Number Six copies on Caprica look and dress identically, copies that Caprica-Six walks by still recognize who she is.
*"Caprica-Six" appears to be a take on the ''ad hoc'' naming convention developed by fans for telling the different Cylon copies apart: review sites and message boards over time started distinguishing the copy of Boomer on ''Galactica'' and the copy of Boomer on Caprica as "''Galactica''-Sharon" and "Caprica-Sharon" for convenience. This loosely developed system then spread to other Cylons as they appeared ("[[Gina|''Pegasus''-Six]]", "Caprica-Doral", "Caprica-D'anna", etc.), though it isn't based on any official material (''BattlestarWiki'' eventually adopted these terms of convenience as well). When Number Three remarks to "Caprica-Six" that her nickname is a little funny, because she's only one of hundreds of copies of "Number Six" on Caprica, this might be a small joke by the writers at the expense of fans.
*Sharon showed difficulty in performing chin ups, but later showed no problem in moving pieces of concrete weighing at least 100 pounds.
**She could have just been angry, and not actually appearing strained because it was physically hard.
**One of the consistent features of both ''Galactica''-Sharon and Caprica-Sharon has been the conflict between her "natural" Cylon Number Eight personality and her human Sharon personality. While probably intended that the two personalities should remain separate, with the Number Eight personality primary, it never worked out that way. In "[[Water]]", for example, Sharon reasserts herself before Number Eight can finish planting the charges. At this point, both ''Galactica''-Sharon/Eight and Caprica-Sharon/Eight have their personalities all jumbled up, with the Sharon personality exerting the stronger influence but retaining knowledge of being a Cylon and being Number Eight. Anyway: the Sharon "code" would have to include imposed limitations on what she believes her own strength and physical abilities to be, or she'd be found out much, much more easily. Inconsistencies in her apparent physical abilities can therefore be explained along with inconsistencies of her mixed but not really integrated personalities.
*Number Three appears to have some command functions based on her actions and behavior. These apparently include determining final disposition of other Cylon personalities.
*Lucy Lawless once again uses her native New Zealand accent for [[D'anna Biers]], even though at the end of "[[Final Cut#notes|Final Cut]]" it was implied that her character normally doesn't.
*Galactica-Sharon's old apartment number on Caprica was "502"
*Much of the dialog in the episode recap is entirely new, and dubbed in to better summarize the segment.
*According to RDM's podcast, there was an entire subplot in this episode in which Lucy Lawless's character "D'anna Biers" would interview President Roslin about rumors that the pregnant Cylon prisoner's baby had been born. Then "''Galactica''-Three" would try to kidnap the baby off of ''Galactica'' in collusion with [[Gina]] (''Pegasus''-Six). The subplot was cut for time (they wanted to spend more time focusing on events on Caprica), and also because they felt it made the episode very confusing; cutting between many different Cylon copies both on Caprica and ''Galactica''. These scenes apparently ''were'' filmed, then cut, because promotional photos for this episode show pictures of D'anna Biers on Galactica (with her new hairstyle), so it will probably appear in deleted scenes released in the next DVD set.
*Sharon has a pair of hand carved, wood or stone, decorative elephants in her apartment. Caprica-Six asks her if they are from "[[Ithaca]]", which on Earth is an island off the coast of Greece and is the home of Odysseus in Homer's [[Wikipedia:Odyssey|Odyssey]]. She states that they were a gift from her mother for her graduation.
**''Galactica''-Sharon said that her mother gave her the carved elephant statues when she left for fleet academy: this directly contradicts her statement in the [[Miniseries]] that her parents died (in the [[Troy]] mining colony accident) when she was little. Of course, either way none of it really happened.
*[[Caprica-Six]] assumed residence on Caprica two years prior to the cylon attack, which matches both the beginning of her relationship with Baltar ([[Miniseries]]) and the date that [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)]] was assigned to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[The Farm]]).
*There are three cars in the underground garage. One clearly visible is a Citroën DS. When the Cylon enters the garage, the car on the right appears to be a Rover P6. The car on the left with a central headlamp appears to be a 1930s Tatra 87.
** The license plate on the front of the car crushed in Anders' bomb attack reads '''SEXYMOM''', and has a "Go C-Bucs" bumper sticker (For the [[Caprica Buccaneers]], the core of Ander's resistance group).
* Whenever Baltar's internal (possibly hallucinatory) Number Six appears on ''Galactica'' during the series, Number Six's distinct soundtrack theme is played (plunking staccato notes on a xylophone, accompanied by violins). There is a subtle twist on this for this episode with Caprica-Six's internal Baltar (who is definitely a hallucination): whenever Six's hallucinatory Baltar appears, the normal "Number Six theme" is played ''in reverse''. The xylophone notes are played in reverse order, though the violin overlay is still played "forwards".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Caprica-Sharon has gone into premature labor with her Hybrid baby:''
:'''Cottle:''' I find it absolutely amazing you people went to all the trouble to appear human, and didn't upgrade the plumbing.

*''"Caprica-Six" and a [[Number Three]]-copy walk past a crowd of other Cylons of various models, and they all keep turning their heads to look at Caprica-Six:''
:'''Caprica-Six:''' I still can't get used to this.
:'''Three:''' Well you're a Hero of the Cylon now. You're our first celebrity!
:'''Caprica-Six:''' Oh, I'm just another Six.
:'''Three:''' You're too modest. I'm just another Three... and they're Fives (''motions at a Doral-model'')... and Eights (''motions at a Sharon-model''). But you, everyone calls you "Caprica-Six"... like you're the only Six on the planet!

*''President Roslin, Baltar, Admiral Adama and Col. Tigh discuss what to do with the Hybrid baby:''
:'''Roslin:''' If [[Hera|the baby]] does survive, the question is — what do we do with it?
:'''Baltar:''' Do? What are you suggesting? That we throw it out of an airlock?
:'''Roslin:''' I don't make suggestions Mr. Baltar, if I want to toss a baby out of an airlock, I'd say so.

*''[[Number Three]] prepares to execute [[Samuel Anders]]:''
:'''Three:''' Humans don't respect life the way we do. ''[loads pistol]''

*''Anders' gun is knocked out of his hands, and it miraculously lands near Number Three, who picks it up, stands over Anders and gets ready to execute him:''
:'''Number Three''': God loves me. (''Caprica-Six pops up behind Number Three and bashes her over the head with a big rock of debris'')
:'''Caprica-Six''': See you again soon! (''Caprica-Six bashes her head with the rock a second time, killing her current body, while her consciousness will soon download into another'')

== Official Statements ==
*David Eick's video blog shows the crew preparation for filming a Cylon rebirthing scene, most likely for this episode.

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*Kerry Norton as Paramedic [[Layne Ishay]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*Alisen Down as Jean Barclay
*Erica Cerra as [[Maya]]
*Diego Diablo Del Mar as Hillard

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Jeff Woolnough]]

Talk:Pegasus (TRS)/Archive 1

2006-01-17T01:47:24Z

PhoenixHacker:

Holy frak!!! Look at the SIZE of that thing! I love the look of this advanced battlestar, and hope we get a few more good looks at her and how good a fighter it is--but not against Adama, please. Pictures, pictures, pictures needed, particularly interior shots as well. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:46, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

: I think we should reference that it bears a similar shape of the original Galactica. [[User:QX100|QX100]] 16:32, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

::Don't all Battlestars? Or do you mean more similar than the new ''Galactica'' herself? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:40, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

:::What I Meant was that the pegasus and all ships in the Mercury-class have the same bulky resemblence of the Battlestars from the original series. [[User:QX100|QX100]] 22:48, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

::::Well, if you look at the end portion in that one pic, you can see the 2 hull-mounted engines which is the original structure of the battlestar in the original series and it seems like the 4 other sublight engines are "attached" to it. [[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]
== Fleet unit ==

I couldn't make it out - I believe the Pegasus was assigned to the [[62nd Battlestar Group]], but I can't be sure. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:34, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

== Pegasus Battle Group ==

It belonged to BSG 63

[[Image:Cain_Pegasus_emblem_BSG_63.jpg]]

:That's what I pointed out on the 87th BSG page before it got deleted. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::That's what it looks like to me as well. I think that we should move the BSG 75 page to just "BSG" and note it there, though, not on its own page. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

== the CNP ==

Did pegasus have it and when do you think they got rid of it?
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:02, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ron Moore's podcast mentions that in a cut scene, Cain explains that their computer systems were offline for the refit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:50, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

: Actually, that scene was in the aired show when Adama, Roslin, and Cain sat down over drinks. Cain indicated they the ship jumped since, without the other computers, they were defenseless--the only thing online, apparently, were the navigation and/or FTL computers. Does this mean that Pegasus never had the CNP? They probably did. I bet they learned quickly and retrofit their ships immediately as they likely got the same information about the fleet's failure rates over wireless as did Galactica. It would have been impossible for Pegasus to fight Cylons otherwise. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:22, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::The CNP was quite new at the time of the mini-series. Maybe it was scheduled to be installed during the refit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:44, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::: Thats all i needed to know. so ''Mercury''-class dont have it for those that hadnt been refitted yet. that means there could be other battlestars out there..
::::This is only speculation on my part. Spencerian's explanation is also plausible. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:37, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

==Gina's Origin==

Gina's origin was never stated in the episode. I know that this was widely speculated on spoiler sites prior to the episode, but that doesn't count for much. Maybe we'll learn more about her later. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:59, 1 October 2005 (EDT)

:In the Gina section of wiki states and I quote, "'''Gina is a Humano-Cylon who was "rescued" by the Pegasus, claiming to be a survivng civilian dock worker'''. After befriending the crew, she betrayed them to the Cylons, whom summarily boarded the Pegasus and terminated 800 of her crew. " That was why I put that in. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

::Believe it or not, we're not actually a very reliable source. I'll fix that up. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:45, 1 October 2005 (EDT)

==Pegasus Fleet==

Should we post information on Pegasus's fleet in the Pegasus article? I know we don't know very much so far, except that there were 15 ships and one of them was the Scylla, but it stands to reason that we'll probably learn about some of the other ships as the new season progresses and if we get to meet other civilian crew members of Pegasus.--Ltcrashdown 01:51, 7 January 2006 (EST)

:Best place, as I see it. Probably less confusing here than [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:59, 7 January 2006 (EST)

::I definately agree on that front. The 15 ships certainly won't be showing up to join the fleet so there's no reason to include them there. I'll add the info we already know about the ships (aside from the mutiny stuff which we can add later).--Ltcrashdown 02:12, 7 January 2006 (EST)

In the process of adding info on the Pegasus fleet, Ricimer added his own details. Rather than rudely delete his comments, I'm just going to post what I wrote here, sot hat it doesn't go to waste. I'll probably incorporate some of what I wrote into the current article later, but for now I'd like to leave it here. Hope that's not a problem.--Ltcrashdown 02:24, 7 January 2006 (EST)

Shortly after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], Pegasus picked up 15 civilian ships which Admiral Cain sought to exploit for military use. Some of the passengers were drafted into ther Pegasus's crew, while just about any useful equipment and parts were stripped from the craft.

The ships included:
:The [[Scylla]] - civilian transport
:14 other ships of unknown design

An interesting note about the ships of Pegasus's short-lived fleet was that several of them had weapons which were later removed on Admiral Cain's orders.

Also, the FTL drives on the ships were removed, but for unknown use (it can be assumed that the FTL drives would probably be too small for Pegasus and too big for Vipers/Raptors, so maybe they were used for parts in the event that the FTL of the Pegasus or a Raptor might break down, Note that this is pure speculation).

== Pegasus Images ==
There's a ton of close up Pegasus shots in the file list that aren't being used. Flyby's, zoomins on various components, etc. Should we use some of them here (or elsewhere)? I'm on something of a campaign to clean up (delete) pics that aren't being used (due to [http://www.frappr.com/?a=viewtopic&gid=77846&tid=75618 this discussion]), and this was the biggest pattern I could find. If they're worth keeping around, I won't object, but it seems like if they were worth using they would have been linked to (especially since some of them have been around since September).--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:29, 16 January 2006 (EST)

:It might be sensible to list them by subject and see if any of them can be used in picture-wanting articles before we trash them all. Worth the effort? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:24, 16 January 2006 (EST)

==Vipers==
What about vipers? What model do they have? --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 20:47, 16 January 2006 (EST)

Talk:The Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game/Archive 1

2006-01-17T00:38:40Z

PhoenixHacker:

I see no valid reason to delete this page. — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 21:21, 4 December 2005 (EST)

Have a little fun, Ricimer. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:58, 4 December 2005 (EST)

Yeah, man. I quite enjoyed the examples of Helo being an idiot. The only beef I'd give any creedence to would be if someone else had an equally valid, but mutually exclusive Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game, then I'd say we should call this one "'''A''' Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game" or just make a page called "Battlestar Galactica Drinking Games". However, that's not a concern, yet, is it? And it's not as if the only purpose of this list of things is to promote alcoholism or drunkeness... This is a tongue-in-cheek way of noting the over-used elements in ''Battlestar''. It might even be considered, gasp, thoughtful. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:17, 5 December 2005 (EST)

I said '''no'''. I am putting my foot ''down''. The Toaster page was bad enough. This page should be deleted. It's place is no--[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 19:38, 16 January 2006 (EST)t here. Joe, please chime in on this one. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 02:05, 5 December 2005 (EST)

: <s>I need to think about it before making a definite decision...</s> I thought about it and the page, despite its present humor, is actually a valid article on recurring plot points and issues in BSG. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:28, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::To comment more seriously: I enjoy the fact that we don't have to be deathly serious here all the time, and have a few places to blow off a little steam. These areas are all well-segregated from the main content of the wikI. I'm sorry that the very existence of these pages seems to trouble Ricimer so deeply, but I must point out that users who do not find them amusing are entirely free to ignore them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:04, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::While some of the items are a tad off-color, they aren't vile or patently offensive. (If the subject matter was truly offensive, it would not have even ''aired''). We can still use a little levity, so long as its properly segregated in the Silly Pages category. I would like the "source" of this game, however, even if its just an internet link. I, for one, think its suitably funny. I second Peter on this. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:49, 5 December 2005 (EST)
:::I think it's suitably funny as a piece of trivia arrising out of the BSG fandom. Perhaps we could start a section on non-canonical trivia, in order to keep things in their right place. I know there are the "silly" pages but the drinking game is something created by fans outside of the wiki, not unlike fanfiction and 3D meshes. --[[User:MASON|Mason]] 09:58, 5 December 2005 (EST)
::::I just reread it again and tears came from my eyes when I hit the Helo stuff. ("Territory issues..." HAH!) It's not just the old "Hi, Bob" drinking game of The Bob Newhart Show working here; Mason hit it on the nose that this does point out what few elemental contrivances in the show are getting a bit overused. This is a good place for us to point these out, as I just did. If nothing else, we can rename this to "Overused Character and Plot Elements" (with the current article name as the subtitle). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:20, 5 December 2005 (EST)
:::::There is no source, FYI. This was just me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:04, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::::::Okie-dokie. We can credit Peter and perhaps Jack (Daniels) or Old Grandad for the interesting article... :) You can blame me and Starbuck (the coffee, not the pilot) for my contributions. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:55, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:::::I like what Mason said --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:53, 5 December 2005 (EST)

We should retitle this, "Col. Tigh's Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 18:10, 9 December 2005 (EST)
: Indeed. But I find it a bit daunting. I suspect I would die if I followed every rule to the letter. -- [[User:Cmr|Cmr]]

Can we add to this? One that I'd like to include is "Billy and Dee stare at each other like two teenagers but never actually do anything." --[[Ltcrashdown]] 20:24, 1 January 2006 (EST)

: Well, this ''is'' a wiki. Feel free to add it, man. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:41, 1 January 2006 (EST)

== Cross-cuts ==

WHat's this mean? Repeatedly cutting back and frother between two concurrent scenes? IN other words, is this a reference to the "Assasination Planning Scene" in Ressurection Ship pt.1? If so, I know we've seen this a few times before as well. I just can't recall which episode(s). --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:22, 7 January 2006 (EST)
:Final scene of "Pegasus" stands out.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:25, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==Baby Killing Adama?==
"...someone kills a baby.
* Adama (Scattered)"
When did Adama kill a baby? --[[User:PhoenixHacker|PhoenixHacker]] 19:38, 16 January 2006 (EST)